HardLore - Knocked Loose's Louisville (A Day with Bryan Garris)

Episode Date: June 1, 2023

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It's Brian Garrish from Knocked Lewis. Wow, and he's miced up and ready to go. You're miced up and you knew. You knew we'd be here. Thank you for joining us today. Yeah, thanks for having. Who's that handsome young lad right there? That's Brian Garris from Knocked You were just telling us about that day. Yeah. That was a rough day? That was a rough day.

Explain why. That was the day that we filmed our live stream during lockdown. We waited out for as long as we could to try not to, but then we thought maybe we just should. Everybody's doing it. I hadn't screamed in a year and a half. Your vocal sounds so good in that live stream. Thank you.

I appreciate it. We had a location picked out. We were going to do it inside of this, like, church and they bailed with 12 hours notice before we were supposed to start filming. So luckily Nate from Zabalba. Oh, yeah. Big Nate. With the warehouse that we ended up shooting it in in front of like an LED wall. I hit up our graphic designer and was like, I need 45 minutes of LED footage in 12 hours.

Perfect. And he like literally didn't sleep and we were filming it as so it wasn't live. but we were filming it as the songs were coming in. Like we were all just chilling and we'd get a text and we'd like, oh, Dropbox is updated. We'd go get into place and we'd do that song. Dropbox. You notice he didn't say Google Drive.

He converted me to Dropbox. I get it now. It's embarrassing that I knew you when you weren't a Dropbox. Thank you for that. We got to stop Google Drive. You've turned heel on me. The Google Drive epidemic is out of control. You can't download the stuff.

Dropbox is instant you can share with your friends. your enemies and that's what I prefer to do. Tell us about this banner. Oh so if you're not from Louisville. From where? I mean, most of you probably aren't from Louisville. Yeah. But all over Louisville ever since I've like growing up and stuff there's banners like this all over the place that are just like important people from the city that will say like Muhammad Ali's Louisville and like Jennifer Lawrence is Louisville and I've always said that like one day it would be so cool to have a noct-loose one. So this was actually a gift from our lighting person, Taylor, and our manager, James Fitalo. They actually surprised us with, surprised us with this banner.

So this is my first time actually seeing it. Wow. Taylor, official sixth member. Yeah, Taylor, official six member also mentioned on the show before. She has a master's degree. Listen, the first time Brian and I really hung out, he came over my house. This is the hardest lore ever. And he was telling me, we're telling each other about our partners. He's like, you know, my partner, Taylor, she has a master's degree. And I was like, damn, are you serious? And I could see you second-guessing whether or not you were right.

And you were like, yeah. I think I was commenting on the fact that we both have, like, very smart partners. And we're just like... And then here we are. Yeah. So I was like, yeah, like, Taylor. Yeah, she's a master of some. And he said, does she really?

And his excitement immediately let me know that I was wrong. But I didn't know him well enough. So I was just like, yes. I'm going to lie. Yeah. She does. And then I went home that night and Taylor was in like taking a bath. I just knocked on the door.

And I was like, do you have a master's degree? And she was like, no. I was like, oh, God. Was it, what was in associates? Bachelors. No, bachelor's degree. Yeah. It's still, hey.

It's still. Pretty gangster, regardless. I didn't, yeah, it was funny, because you brought it up later, too. Like, things got quiet. We were watching YouTube, which is the best way to hang out. It is. Just give food. That's how you get to know a guy.

It really is. And you were like, man, I can't believe she has a master's. And I was like, I know. Me neither now. Yep, pretty crazy. So you're telling us that today we're going to be eating something called a hot brown. Yeah, it's a... You can get shot for saying that at some places.

It's a Louisville dish. There's a hotel here called the Brown Hotel, and it was invented there. Okay. Describe it. Describe the dish. The hot brown is an open-faced sandwich, two pieces of Texas toast, turkey, ham, like a cheese sauce, a fried green tomato on top of it. It's very, very good. It is super filling.

The place that we're going to, I used to actually wait tables there. Fuck yeah. They would let me tour, me and our drummer Paxon. work there, they offer a half brown because of how big it is. We might be a couple half browns right here. We're going to jets off. We're going to go to jets. Well, let's go try this hot brown.

You know, you have my curiosity. Now you have my intention. I'm starving. I've never been this hungry in my life except aside from me. I want to tell a quick story. Yesterday, I left from Chicago. They had a layover in Chicago. I was there early because we wanted to get McDonald's at O'Hare.

Lovely O'Hare International Airport has a McDonald's in every terminal. as you know. Big fan. As you know. So I was going to meet then. We were going to have our meal. He was so cranky and so upset that we had to, we couldn't even walk back to our gate with our food. We had to eat there. And then he became a whole other person.

McDonald's, I feel like it's important that you eat it the second they hand it to you. Thank you. Because you let it age at all and it just gets worse. There's a five-minute window on them fries. Yeah. What's your order? Double cheeseburger. Love it.

Medium fry. Cheeseburger or a McDouble? Double cheese? Double cheese, because you get the two pieces of cheese. Wow. Yeah. And plus like a McDouble now after Texas almost as much anyways. It's like $3.50.

Yeah. It used to be $1.7. Yeah, I remember. Dark times. Sometimes I'll do a McChicken as well. Sometimes I'll do a filet of fish as well. You haven't heard the Jost episode yet. I haven't.

I want to know he gets a filet of fish with extra cheese and extra tartar. That's insane. Tartar sauce is insane. I mean, I'm not, I'm not... You're not anti-tarter, but you're not pro-double-tar. Yeah. I'm not knocking anything Jamie Jasa does. Maybe he's on.

Maybe he's on to something. What do we know? How can you? Let's go eat this fucking hot brown. So I can, you know, hot brown all over myself? What's the name of the place? The restaurant is called 119.

We'll see you at 119. Man. You know? So that's, uh... We're cruising along. Yeah, it's killing. Colin, do a blast off here. All right.

We're seated at our table in 119 Westmaid. LaGrange, Kentucky? Yeah. La Grangee? La Grange. Like the Zizi Top song? Yeah. Just like the Zee Tops on.

So what's the thing? Play the Hot Brown. Oh, the thing is the Hot Brown. Well, there's a lot of things. Honestly, there's so much good stuff here, but you all should do the Hot Brown. We're going to do it. I'm going to do a half brown. We should do three.

browns. Yeah. And we should do the Ruben Wantsons. Okay. And we should do the bread pudding. You don't want to eat chicken liver like you were saying? Not from here. Just because I haven't had it, so I can't recommend it. That's new. Since I worked here, that's new. If you want chicken livers. You just order for us as the king of this joint. Okay. Do you think your old lockers back, your cubby's back then? You got your hair in that thing? No. I luckily didn't have. have to wear hair now. That's disgusting. Huge. I didn't, I just served. But I was terrible at.

I was terrible at it. Serving cunt. You know? Me and our drummer worked here. He went to every table and my. Me and her drummer worked here and our drummer, if you don't know him, is like the jolliest person on earth. People, people say like golden retriever, boyfriend, whatever, like that's like a thing. He's an actual how.

He's jovial as fuck. Yeah. Dude, he's the most delightful. I've never seen him in a bad mood. Yeah. So he just, like, walks up and people would just throw tips at him. And then me, I couldn't get him to fucking tip me to save their life. Because he comes up and he's, like, juggling their drinks.

And I come up and I'm like, hey, what can I get you dudes? Yeah. Still chewing on a sig. He's like, oh, how's it going? He always, like, taps his belly. What can I get you? Dude, I can totally see it. I just walked in from a smoke break still.

still blowing smoke out of my own. You're still on the smoke, right? Yeah. What the fuck you want? Yeah. So, a half brown is tender oven roasted turkey,

country ham, maple bacon, could do without it. Fried green tomato. Yeah. Cheesy Mornay sauce and melted cheddar. Yeah.

Over a thick slice of Texas toast. Got Roxanne on, we're fine. Do you like the police? You fuck with the police? Fuck. A-C-A-B.

Couple tracks? Well. More of a sting, man. Are they a couple tricks? Or of WCW Sting, man. My least favorite genre of music is classic rock. Really? You don't like any?

Wow. Think about this song. It's the chorus for six and a half minutes. But it's probably the worst song. I'm going to be honest with it. It's like a bold police fan. I'm with you. The reason I'm with you is because, like,

songwriting has evolved in something so much. cool, but it's all you had to do, and you were rich. If you had a hook, you're on the radio. The hook brings you back as one man. One harmonica playing motherfucker once said.

And boy, it is. Because, are they from Louisville? Who? Blue Stratle? No, they're not. No, they're so. Should be. Should be. You know this from Louisville? Where's Blue Strong?

Muhammad Ali. I heard. Who? Who else? Mohamed Ali? Princeton, New Jersey Tom Cruise. Went to prom with me. Why didn't you leave that?

Wait, what? Pretty sure. Either that or he just went to high. I know he went to high school. I know he went to high school here for a fact. Syracuse, New York. I know he went to high school here. He went to a private school here.

Here's the thing. St. Xavier High School. No. He's for sure watching this right now. And he'll chime in. He's going to be so. Yeah. It's gonna say, hey, Brian.

I heard you, we're talking shit about. With just his middle tooth. Exactly. Love me some time. I can't wait for the next mission possible. Don't get me started. Oh, you're tired. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much. You are very local. I think we're ready to. Yeah, I think so. We're gonna start with two orders of the Rubin-Wontans. And then we're gonna do three half browns. Mm. Okay.

Yeah, thank you. You cannot steal what is legal either partner. Good to know. I needed you there, Tomlin. I know. You did, go. You know what I think about a lot? You know what I think about a lot?

Please. The fuh place that you take me to. I don't know if I think I want a gate keep. Yeah, so... You know what they don't have here? Good fuh. It's... They've got really good ramen in the Louisville.

Yeah, I'm sure. But not really good fah. I went to a few fah. thought place the other day in Chicago and I got the like works one where she's like every meat and I didn't realize that it had trite in it yeah I don't fuck the truck oh I love tripe so scaling slimy I could take it early like if I look at it I like lost my appetite it's like squid if squid was beat but I like squid how many hop-browns have you eaten in your entire life I didn't know what it was until I worked here not a concern there were plenty of lunch breaks where I had a hot brown for sure

So it's, but it's a famous thing. In Louisville, yeah. But you didn't know. Not really, was that more your fault? I was like a, until I started touring, I was like a Cheez Pizza Chicken Nuggets guy. Well, that's me now. I mean, that's awesome.

But when I started touring, I was like, I want to experience. Well, we say this all the time, as Edgeman, food is what we have. That's all we got. It's the best. I remember the first time we toured with you, you all went to a bitchy dinner in Vegas.

And I remember they went to Delmonicos. Was that the one? Yeah. And I've been since but I remember at the time I was like,

I've never spent $100 on a meal I would never do that. That's... The bill before the tip was $1,200 bucks. Really? He didn't do it?

What did it? Was that the... Is that the Christian? No, no, no, no, no. Not that one. You whispered closer to the mic. Peak Andy Williams for the table.

Oh. Like the coining. Yeah. That year. It was like Andy, Steve, Paxon. Andy and Steve, Paxson and Cole, me, Kristen James. And it was 12. And now 100 bucks is...

Do you kidding me? Taco Bell DoorDash. Yeah. Times of change. $100. I had an $800 meal the other day. Hot brown-eyed girl. It's a pun.

Brown-eyed girl? This is one of the worst songs that I have all the time. No. One time when I was a young man, my dad was dating this lady, Julie. And Julie had a birthday. party, my dad was in a band, and they played, like, her birthday party, right? And they played the song, of course. And Julie came up to me, and she was like, Bo, look, brown eyes. This song's for me. And I just went away. How old were you? How old were you? How would she have thought

you would give a shit? I don't know. I really didn't fuck her, but you were supposed to go. I was supposed to go, thanks, new mom. Yeah, you're not in her mom, so. Fuck you, fuck you, you're brown fucking you piece of shit. That's how central is on. We should do an episode where we deprive you of food. No.

I'll deprive you of life. You should do a muffin. I would love, we've talked about that that's our dream. You and I, yeah, you and I have literally talked about doing just food TikToks in your car. Eating food in the car.

I think 2023 is right year. Have you had D-Town pizzeria yet? I haven't had D-Town. Did you see that? that they had to issue a statement that ever since that dude, Hal Kev Eats, reviewed it that they've sold out every single day. Yeah. You got to line up now.

I won't. Yeah. But it may be the closest thing to Jets you can get in L.A. I'll use my new pizza community power. I got to. You're in? I'm in with these. I'll use that.

Yeah. And I'll pull something. I need the plug because Apolloneas is way too cool for me. I got you, dude. Have you had it? Apollonius? No. I'm gatekeeping it from him.

Sorry if I just pull up your spot. He gate keeps joy. He gate keeps... No. I gate give that. I'm giving that out for free. You can bleep out the place if you want to gatekeep it on the podcast. So what?

Apollonius. Oh. Oh. No, they can have that. Okay. Fucking Barstool went there. Ah, yeah. Oh, okay.

They got... They're a little bigger than a lot. Yeah. A little bit. He shit on Spinelli's though, so he's the off. He shits on... I mean, Spinelli sucks. He's on Chicago pizza.

He shits a lot, actually. He be shitting. He'd be eating shit. Whatever. You don't like this song? I would go as far as I hate this song. Because it's a chorus for seven minutes. You might could be on to something.

That's what I'm saying. There's definitely exceptions. There's exceptions to every rule. Yeah, every pop. song you've ever heard. Yeah, but that's different. Because it's not, it doesn't overstay, it's welcome. Like, what are some of the best pop songs in the world?

I want to dance with somebody. Doesn't overstay it's welcome. And how long is it, three minutes? And the third chorus is a bridge with an epic key change. Yeah. But I'm just saying. Brown-eyed girl ain't going, you know.

But he only, I bet you did only say the chorus three times. In brown-eyed girl? Yeah, but the chorus of the song is, my brown-eyed girl. And then the bridge is, chan-na-na-na-na-na. Now, you only do that once. My brown-hander. That's the chorus.

What's some of your favorite choruses of all time? Africa. Africa's? Africa. You went through a big Africa for these, I remember. I had one of those moments where it's like, you know, you hear a song so many times. Yeah. Yeah, let's go.

Yeah, thank you very much. I think we're great. Thank you. Thank you. What is this? What is this? The Ruben Wantam. It's like an egg roll with a rubin inside of it.

That's like a thousand island of it. You ever see that chop thing where Chris Santos goes, that's your homie, isn't it? He's the homie. I followed him because of your wreck. You hear that, Chris? He's the homie. That's going to be the hottest.

What have you done? You've ruined your food for the rest of the day. Girlie. So good. It is. That was a lot. One of my caves. breathing fire

so go on with the choruses Africa I had a moment with Africa where it's like you hear a song so much that you don't pay attention to it and then one time it clicks and you're like the overuse of this song really does a disjustice to it because it's such an amazing song

it's like a scientifically perfect song I mean but the thing the crazy thing about Toto Van Nyes as I know A1A they have nothing but crazy courses. Yeah, dude. The band is... Whole record's good.

Unbelievable. My friend gifted me a first press of that record. Total four? Yeah. Is it four or two that has Africa? Four. Because of my obsession with that song. And I dove into the rest of the record and was like, it's all good.

Steve Whittenwood, Higher Love? Bring me a higher... Amazing chorus. Man in the Mirror? I mean, anything on that. Anything on that is like... What are some of the best courses within the last decade? In the last decade?

Locked out of heaven by Bruno Mars. Locked out of heaven is incredible. The breakdown at the end? What God I got a song about choosing? Dude, there's a video of them playing... Oh, Venus? Venus. That's amazing.

There's a video of Bruno Morris covering, or they play their song, Locked Out of Heaven, and then they start playing, walking on the moon, and Sting walks out and plays and sings it with them. Crazy. It's not seen. Yeah, that's sick. My nana has a huge crush on Bruno Mars. It's so hot.

I got Ruben all over with it. I'm really going to let it air out. It's literally on fire. There are flames coming out of this one time right now. I think it's pretty good. Hardware muck bang. This is the first one. How much do you think you could put down in one setting?

All of it. Paxson did a podcast with Craig, the downbeat. Yeah. And their conversation started by Craig saying, how many dumplings do you think you could eat in one sitting? The answer is yes. I think Paxon said like 40. What size dumplings?

Like Gioza. Like Gioza. He said 40? Yeah. He couldn't eat four. I could do 41. No. Did you know the story about Marlon Brando?

Yes, the eggs. Dude. Paul Newman. Paul Newman, yeah. Because in Cool Hand Luke, he eats 50. And Marlon Brando challenged him to do it, and he ate 51 all the while, calling him a fraud. Because he wouldn't do it.

He was a fraud. He's a, I think he lived and died in the valley. The son, with the valley? Brando? Yeah. King. Hey, Wayne? We got Toto.

Marlon Brando, Paul Abdul, God's hate. We were just talking about South City. Got Sound City. Food Fighters practice space. Here we go. Thousand Island. One thousand islands died so that I can eat this. How do they have this but not like mustard?

What? Mustard would go really well with this. I know the thousand, I know, but I'm just saying, like a nice mustard. Isn't this on Rubens? Did you try it yet? I just said. Did you like it? Yeah.

I'm just trying. They assume most people like this, and that's why they get it. Are we double dipping or what? I was reverse dipping out of a pure etiquette. You got to reverse. You don't even worry about it. What do we got? I can't hear it.

You hate it. What is it? Really? Joel. William Joel? Was there a particular place where, like, after doctor's practice and stuff, you guys would go and eat? Yeah. It's called red pepper.

What's red pepper? We were leaving Weapon X practice, and he was saying, I'm going to take him here to get the hot brown because it's like the regional dish. That's kind of our vibe, right? But everyone in Weapon X plus Paxon and Paxon's girlfriend, whose name is... Daphne.

I forgot her name. My apology. Classic name. Scooby-Doo. They were like, you're not going to take him to red pepper? And Isaac was like furious. Offender. Bordeline Furies.

And then we went to his childhood home, met his mama. He changed real quick. She asked what we were doing, and she went, oh, surprised you're not going to red pepper. But is that the diet? I would just love it. As Brian said, you, you're a little snobby. A little. I didn't say that.

He said this verbatim. He said, that prick, come. No. Some of the bitch is free. But like you live in a place where there's delis, delicatestants. Yeah. Jewish delis. Is that what it is?

It's a deli. It's not a Jewish deli. It's a sandwich spot. It's a sandwich spot. It's called a deli, but it's not like, it's a great sandwich. I don't think it's like a deli. I'm not a huge sandwich guy. So there you go.

But I'm a huge sandwich guy. I love red pepper. It's always the first meal I have when I fly back. Do they have an Italian sandwich? Yes. Is there oil and vinegar? Yes. They don't have a gardener.

It's down the street. It's literally on this street. I mean, I'm hungry. The band was so mad that I'm not taking you all over. Isaac was like, what? Like from outside? That is like a staple for the band. Okay.

You're okay with not gatekeeping that? You want that out there? We can go. He don't live here no more. Oh, right. We can go. We can literally go from meal to meal. You know that I'm all about that.

We've done it. And so there's two locations, one right over here. The one over here does a club sandwich that the other one doesn't. It's like named after a woman that works there. It's called the, Club Wallace? So good. Yeah.

What's the big one? Langers? Langers. That might be New York. I like, oh, Kats is New York? No, Katz is New York. Brent's is the goat. I'm not gatekeeper.

You can go to Brent's, it's in the Valley. Langers, I think, is what it's called in L.A. And then his daughter has one called Daughters. In West Hollywood. Very good. Like pastrami. But it's not like that. It's not that kind of deli. I see.

But it's still fire. But they didn't have anything like regional. It's just why we're going to have the local thing. That's what I want. And there's history because I worked here. I made little to no tips here. You were like, therefore little to no one of the worst servers of all time. One of the worst probably.

In the history of the... And I... But they let me tour. It's almost invaluable. Yeah. They let me tour They didn't care at all about my schedule Me and Paxton did a warp tour while we worked here

Was that recent? Yeah I'm about my money I didn't quit my job until I Was good Okay I'm gonna do another It's a man metabolizes

An incredible rate I had shit in weeks Gonna get punched up I texted Isaac and said Can we go to your parents for hard lore He said of course Of course. My man.

Whatever the venue is, where the first show you ever played, I want to see that. I want to see where you start. Yeah, we can do that. Easy. What's that called? Keswick's Democratic Club.

Oh. Have you all ever heard of that before? No, and you know what? I was just talking to Alex, and she said Harms Ways definitely never played in the parking lot there. Really? Yeah.

News to me. Where the folk was I? This man be lying. Maybe Sig, a mania? It could have been much more than sags at the time, too. What were you into? He's a little stinker.

What's your favorite drug ever? Dude. Uh, no. I tried. Mom was gonna watch this. She's a fan of the show. My parents saw everything. She's a friend of the show.

Oh, okay. So they wouldn't mind. What is her favorite drug? The love of a loving son. I don't mean it that way. I just mean they wouldn't mind. Because I'm like, I have a really good relationship with both my parents. Talk to him about everything.

Brandy. Told them everything. Very nice. Yeah. Sweet. Sweet. Both my parents still together. Something that's funny with my parents, this is deep floor.

My mom is, like, very social. Very. She's on social media. She, like, all my friends call her mom. She's out there. So because of that, people always just assume that my dad's not in the picture, because they only ever see my mom. So for years my dad's just made the joke like, yeah, you're raised by a single parent, blah, blah, blah.

Like my dad just doesn't have the clout that my mom has. But I'm here to put on record that like... You love your dad? Yeah. They're together. He's dope. It's crazy. Breaking news. Brian Garris loves his dad, too.

You love your dad. Yeah, my dad and I are mutuals on Twitter. Him and you? Brandy. Oh, well. You know, if Randy doesn't follow you. You eat a red hot. Ruben Wantan.

Immediately. I'm hungry. My dad is in knock loose Facebook groups. Wow. Why would he do that? Like there's a Facebook group where people just post knock loose memes and my dad's in it. He smashes the motherfucking workbook. He'll send them to me.

Just L.O.L. Done. Yeah. Because they friend him. and they message him and my dad's too nice to ignore it and they say I'm trying to get a hold of Brian

but he won't respond will you ask if he'll play at my wedding and then my dad hits me and he's like my friend wants to know and I'm like is it your friend or is it a friend on Facebook Hey don't do something that was really weird for me when I started touring full time and like when we started

picking up a little bit of steam was like people having so much access to that information. Yeah. That like people that I've never met. No, I'm not famous. I am on CelebrityBurdays.com. That's all it takes. Has famous South Park drawn in?

I don't think so. At Famous South Park, then you're not shit yet. You're good, you'll get. Celebrity what? Celebrity birthdays.com. Oh, no, famous birthday. Punk singer. I'm punk.

Wow. September 6th. That's right. Libra? No, what the fuck? Virgo. You're a Virgo? Yeah.

We're virgins. Yeah, we've never had sex. When's your birthday? I knew that about you. Trey's is the 20th. Irish guy. You're the number one most famous with your last name. Congrats.

Sorry, Dallas and Trey. You're the 60,000th most popular on the site. Wow. There's a lot of people. A lot of people. A lot of people. A lot of people. We got a 60,000 most famous famous guy.

We got all looters? No, I ain't on there for sure. Let's see. Colin. No way. Yeah, you're going to get the guy from the foundation. Soul singer. Yeah.

That ain't you. Oh, for a second, I thought maybe. They always say, build me up buttercups. His name's Colin Young. Yo, when the Kings of the Black Throne theme came out, yeah. A fucking, like, wrestling ink or something was like the foundation singer. provided the entrance music for...

You idiots. Like Google for one second. One second. Foundations singer from Atlanta. Yeah, right? Is that what you're called? The foundations, right? No, I'm talking about foundation.

Yeah, I'm Thomas Pearson. I'm vegan. I play overwatch. I want to gamble. I don't. I want to play eureka. What was that meme that was like, I do not have a gambling addiction?

I've done it every single day for the past 12 years and I'm still not addicted. That is... What problem is that most? You're gonna make me cry. Yeah. That James Joyce? James Joyce.

When you guys decided, okay, knock loose is gonna be a heavy band. Who are you? Hey. Hey. I guess you should ask. Who you doing? Who do you do?

Who's the band do? Who do you do? We bounced around a lot between sounds and when we landed on like just being a heavy band. Yeah. It kinda was like because we were trying too hard to do other bands. And then it was just like the only, like we're all very different musically,

the only similarity we have is like breakdowns. So it was like, let's do that. And it ended up kind of being like, I would say more of like an era rather than a specific band, but like the closed casket bands of the time, like, harm's way, like. That's a cool answer. That is a cool answer.

Just like bands that were in the hardcore space, but were way heavier. There's a lineup shirt from 2012. Yeah. That this is hardcore. That was like. Because you kind of disgrace, Hunfway. Incentioree Zabalba.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like Zabalba, like, yeah, all that shit was sick. I definitely had the like, the Dr. Dre'sabalba shirt. I love it. You know I'm talking. I do. Share it's a moment. My first half brown.

The bottom one is really hot. This is a half brown. That's all some deer would say. So imagine the hot brown. The full one. Fire better. Thank you. Yes.

I could eat about six of them. Thank you so much. Yes, you definitely need to let this relax for a bit. So what do I do? Thank you. How do I... What's the critical? I can't cool.

I mean, you can't. I want it now. Don't care how. I want it no. So is it a, you don't pick it up? You forked it? Yeah, it's an open face. Where would you pick it up?

You tell, that's why I'm asking you. I'm supposed to cut, all right. It's chip beef on toast vibes. Yeah. To all my military, children of military parents out there. It's pretty good. Oh, we got one headlight on as we're biting into this. One headline.

What's on this? Turkey, that's right. It's hot. It tastes like chip beef on toast. Now I see what they were going for. What are you saying? I don't know. It's a peasant dish.

Chip beef on toast. You gotta get the fried green tomato. Yeah, where's that? Is that this thing? Mm-hmm. One time I got a second degree burn from a fried green tomato. One time I chipped my tooth on bread at Panera. We don't go there, that's why.

Yeah, that's possible food. One time I took a bite out of a bite out of a bread. bite out of a pizza and like pull and it went and burn my whole show yeah that's what happened with the tomato it juiced me scarved for life i went straight to on an american nightmare show with a burn blistery chain shut the fuck up all right here we go do you like it bro bite in the middle first bite was like i was like it's pretty good second Oh yeah, the bright green tomato. Yeah, that's real.

It really does it. Okay. Mm. Not that brown. No. It's kind of creamy. I'm spru-are-are-you- okay? I would typically know.

But I'm cheese. I'm persevering. You're a cheesebo. I don't like cheese sauce. Oh, really? Yeah. It's not the thing. It's the goopiness that I genuinely don't like.

If this was all one sandwich, I would hate it. Okay. I don't get it. I don't know. I'm gonna ask you to a question. Okay. Pleudeville. When you all started, being hardcore bands,

that don't sound like hardcore bands, how was the initial reception? Terrible. Arm's way probably, it was, it was way, uh, it was different for us. It was pretty over right away. Right away. The reception to no gods and isolation was pretty good.

Why do you think that is? Why it was good? Yeah, like, why do you think that you all, Because like from my point of view, yeah. I remember being like, oh, bands like twitching tongues just get a pass because they're from California. No, we didn't get a pass. We had to fight for the path. See, I didn't know that because I mean about time I had heard about you all.

You were cool. We didn't really play a good show. It took us like two years to have a good set, I would say. Really? One. One good set. And then there was a turning point where everybody was like, oh, I get it. Yeah.

It was the preacher man. It was the preacher man. When Pritcher Man came out, that was when I got it. I think for Harm's Way, personally, I think there was a hole that was not being filled. And aside from Nails, at the time, we were one of the only bands doing, like, the HM2. And we were playing, like, we didn't have blasts. We were playing breakdowns, you know what I mean? Yeah.

And then you coupled that with J's being who he is, being imposing. Yeah. And it just kind of works, you know. Always a personality. Yeah. For the band. Yeah. Dude.

Quite a song. John's got some couple tracks. Because for us there was definitely a huge period where it was just like, nope. Like. Yeah. And then there was like, there's been like a couple moments where we just straight up watched everybody turn back. Like anyone that ever like publicly shit on us. has come back around.

Well, they have something to gain from you now. There's still a couple that have stuck to their guns, which respect. I remember hearing like, oh yeah, that band knocked loose is touring, like, the Midwest and South, like, crazy for, like, years. Yeah. Is that not true? Yeah, I mean, when we first, when we got our first van, we were touring so much that, like, specifically, I remember playing a show in Chicago.

Yeah. Well, not even Chicago. Bada Brew. No idea. Joliet. Oh, yeah. Oh. And going, hey, if you like what you're here,

the flyer for our next show here is on the wall. Like, we'll be here in two weeks on a different tour. And we would tour back then. We would play with a band and be like, you guys are sick, do you want to tour? And they'd be like, sure. And we'd just start booking it. Yeah. And we would also say, okay, we just did Florida.

and everything in between. Let's go to New York now. And then it was, let's go to Texas. Let's go to Cal. So the first year of touring, we played every single state except for Hawaii and Alaska. But it was like a goal for us to like, let's do all of it.

Let's do Montana. Let's do Vermont. Wow. Have you ever played Montana, Kyle? Never. Me neither. Only driven through it. I've always wanted to spend time there.

I played it twice on one tour. Jesus Christ. We talk about bands that are like proof of the grind all the time. Mm-hmm. You guys might be number one, you know? When it comes up, I've definitely said not loose before. Because I've, like I said, like, before we knew you guys personally,

I knew that you guys were out there. I didn't know you personally until very recently. Hold on. But I, but I, what? This is insane. Look at Collins' plate. Now look at Brian's plate. We could, this is a thing

Brian and I are the odd couple here And I'm right in the middle We're right in the middle I'm lukewarm water Every time he and here And I had eaten together He apologizes

Sorry to put you on the last It's okay Sorry I interrupted The first time Like you guys Tored together And that was I think that was the first time

I saw it my clues And then The next thing I heard It was like, yeah, they just sold out the plate downstairs. Yeah. And I did like a triple, quadruple tape. Yeah, I mean, I didn't expect that either. It all happened just like you grinded until you didn't have to, basically, you know?

I mean, it's still a grind. It's still a grind, but it's like you're not having to die anymore. Yeah. But a cool thing, and I feel like every member of my band is on this page, which kind of makes like the growing pains a little easier to digest, is that. like we just entered the world of like bus touring. Very new to us. It puts an entire new light on touring because now we have the opportunity like,

oh, we have an extra bunk, let's just fly family out to hang out for a week. And that's amazing. But like at any moment, say our manager was like, it's not in the cards, we got to do the band. Not a single one of us is batting an eye. We're like, okay. We're even like, we're playing some festivals

this year and it's like, do you guys want to fly these days? And we're like, no, we'll just drive up in the van. And I'm glad that all of us are still on that page. Because I would hate if, like, one member was just like, no, it's like bus or nothing. I wonder, does, when you think back at how that mindset kind of solidified for you, do you think back on the, every time I tour we did together? Because they... Like their ethics?

Their ethics as a band. unmatched huge band in a van Sharon hotel rooms just like striking their drums every night

so that we all had room now that's a PSA that needs to be said what is worse than playing in front of a kid on like a regular size stage yeah like not a huge stage

it's just a regular one and there's just no room for anyone specifically the singer and they would voluntarily just strike drums no big deal after sound check

Thank you. Thank you. We looked up to them a lot even before that tour. Yeah. Or just like looking up to bands, like looking up to you all, just bands from the middle of nowhere that like did what they had to. You know what I mean? Like Chicago was such a close major city to Louisville that like we would go to shows there before

Noctaw would tour. So it was like you all came through Louisville so much. and Louisville Road for you all so hard that I remember you all coming through on tours where you would play lower in the bill and smash everybody on the show and I took that like we all kind of took that as like

a W for everybody because we were just like this band's from close and like they're on 8-5-6 like that was cool to us seeing like another mistake on hate 5-6 was so cool to us they played 52 shows

a year. Yeah. It was every Saturday, every Wednesday. Yeah. I love when cities have connections. Chicago has long time standing connections with like St. Louis and Milwaukee, which makes sense. But the Louisville one is relatively recent.

And a lot of it is credited to Alex and Tyler and Ryan and now college for sure. And, yeah, played her a bunch. And that's cool. That's a cool thing to hear. Chestnut House was one of those shows where I would say a couple years in, it was like, oh, wow, we had a good set for a nice. And Chesson House was like first five where we were like, maybe this will work. Wow.

Yeah. I feel like Louisville has always kind of been like that. And even before we were influenced by Yitid, we were influenced by Louisville in a sense of like every show's mixed. Like we could play with a band like another mistake And in Louisville nobody would bat an eye Yeah And then like bands like twitching tones We'd come through

I remember I saw you all once And I was like, this isn't gonna be scary They're like a singing band And then it was scary Like people were pitting super hard That's what I want. I remember my friend got smoked And I was like, this is awesome

It like looks like it should It makes sense But it's awesome I'll never forget and it was before we had met it was 2015 it was Code, us, and Knock Loose at the art space

in New Albany. Eternal Sleep. Yeah, but you guys played before us and before Code. We had already kind of started to buzz around Mobile. They had a crazy reaction and us and Code were like

kind of getting ready to play like kind of like in the back or whatever like what the fuck are these guys? This show is going to be sick. Everyone left. Wow. They just had like the best set ever. And then it was like, oh, like, that's, that means. They're the guys.

That was kind of a turning point for us in Louisville, that show specifically. Because we always tried to hop on. We played with Code Orange. Like, we opened for them a lot here when they were Code Orange kids at that show. We opened for you all with, we were just talking about this, but Suburban Scum, Expire, Harm's Way. We always tried to jump on shit like that. And also when we first started playing in Louisville, we would play like every weekend.

Like we were so worried about like people knowing us on a local level that when we started touring we just kept that same energy. Like we're just like, let's make it to where it's impossible to avoid us. And then like, so anytime people would talk shit about us, that would kind of just like stoke the fire. Or like we would tour. And all work would take a person. Yeah. to that point for sure but yeah and it and it kind of just like like obviously we didn't

start the band to ever like be in a bus you know what I mean but like nobody does except for Jamie Dostom who knew yeah he's the only one yeah he knew so now like having those conversations is so insane like having like production conversations and like seeing what we can do with it and and where we can take it. And, like, obviously, like, you and me have talked about this a bunch. Like, being at the level where we're at now to, like, bring our friends, like, shine for bands that we put on for it. And then also, this is something interesting that I've never going to talk about in an interview,

and maybe you all can weigh in your opinions. But, like, so obviously we're going to keep taking hardcore bands on tour because that's what we like. And it's funny, the first time I met your brother, because when we were doing that cave-in thing and we're kind of just having small talk and getting to know each other and at one point things went quiet and he just went

are you still gonna take hardcore bands on tour? And I was like, yeah and he went okay cool a lot of people stopped and then he just like went back to the ticket and I was like, yeah, of course not because we feel like we have to but because we want to

but where's the what do you do when you're a band that just has to accept the barricade. You have to outperform the barricade. I know that, but I'm saying like, say we put fucking four punch on an occlus show, which will never happen.

Not because of me. But you're like, I can't fucking wait to see four punch, and you show up and there's a barricade. Yeah, I mean, there's, it's going to be a problem. It's not really odd. No, it's not. I know, but I try to keep that in mind when, because like, we're still very hands-on with all of our lineups. Like, especially me and Isaac, we sit down and we always talk about bands.

Like, we'll see a band live and we'd be like, we would take them on tour and we'll put them on the list. And then when it comes to building a tour or building a show, like, we just did a, our last home show in Louisville was the first time we ever played in Louisville with a barricade. And that was like a huge hard pill to swallow. Because it was like now it's becoming like a thing. I'll tell you what you do. I got it. You do the hay breed thing. You do Jasta.

You play smaller clubs that only a few people know about. Well we still do that, of course. But like secret. Yeah. Like they would do that. Well now I'm saying like when it comes to those shows, we just try to keep that in mind and like literally design it around bands that can can outperform the barricade. You have to be better than the barricade.

Yeah, so like on that Louisville show that I just gave an example of, like, our local friends that opened it were the band Gates to Hell. It's like super death metal like maggot stop band. Like, you don't need dives for that. You know what I mean? You're gonna have the kids on the barricade that are head banging the whole time and you're gonna have people moshing. But then when we do the underplay and we do the venue with like, no, we like had magnitude on it.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's a good way to balance it. I mean, like, turns of it. style is the perfect example of that because the first 200 shows they played or whatever first 10 years of their band the like crowd participation was yeah was the performance you know the fact like that it was insane the whole time people are playing on stage they found a way to evolve past that it's it's all it's up to the band to do yeah harm's way is not that band

So it's not really something we've ever really had to think of it. I think that you all can, though. Well, we could be. So, like, yeah, you guys, we crush a barricade. There's a technicality to your music that I think a lot of people can only appreciate in that kind of setting. No, you're saying you're not the crowd participation. I'm saying we're not a stage night for the most part. Oh, okay, okay.

We did the cannibal Corpster. There's a barricade every night. Yeah. It was outstanding. Yeah. See, we did. We got a guy who should be on a pedestal on a pedestal. Yeah.

Yeah. There's like, it's funny we did that tour with Gojira. And in my head I was like, this is going to be like shooting fish in a barrel. Like Gojira's this like crazy band that has these giant parts. We're just a compilation of all the giant parts. We just rip Gozira off in 4-4. Like we just don't make people think about it. But something that I noticed in the tour was like there is a lot of people that are there for the technicality.

behind Gajero's music, the like intricate time signatures and stuff, and we would have those like nerds and like dream theater shirts front row looking at us like, who the fuck is this? And so it was like we had to find through the tour ways to communicate to this crowd. That's something that we've had to do over the years that I've always been really interested in

is like figuring out different ways to communicate. Because like your band, stays the same no matter what show you're on. But, like, I can't talk to in a day-to-remember crowd the same way that I can talk to an LDB crowd. You know what I mean? So, like, learning how to navigate those different spaces has been super interesting.

That's, like, half of music. Yeah. Adaptive. It's like, yeah, you can play. Thank you so much. Like, you can play, but you've got to know what you're doing. Yeah. And that's also often our definition of what a hardcore band is.

it's a band that can adapt can kind of community into different whatever opportunities especially if you want to grow past the ceiling of a hardcore band if that's your progress

yeah and like we never we always considered ourselves a hardcore band because of the community that we're a part of here and that's absolutely and when it became such a hot topic when we started to

like blow up or get I didn't mean to say blow up. No, we know what you know. You blew it. But it was such a hot topic of like, what genre are they? And like people debating it online that like it made us. The hair splitting with that shit drives me. But dude, there's no cooler genre to be a part of than heavy.

Yeah. What genre is a curl bar? Heavy. Heavy. Yeah. And like, then people would start to come back around and we never needed that valid. that validation. But people,

there was like a year where people would do this like really safe way of being on our side where they would tweet, like feel like they need to tweet like it's not my thing but they're young kids that are going crazy for their city, blah, blah. And like I never like

fed into any of that but I remember one time a dude did that like verbatim. He tweeted like, they're young kids, blah, blah, blah. And they're doing amazing things to their city. And I tweeted him and said, I'm older than you. like I've been going to shows longer than you. Like I don't need this like weird cosign. You don't have to do that. It's performing.

Yeah. I don't need the co-sign. Well, the hot brown, yummy. I had a good time. I'm glad I had a half brown. Because when I'm going to Jets in about 45 minutes. Should we go to red pepper? Do you go get a sandwich?

No. But I do think we should go check out the first night. you have played. Okay. Let's go. What's it? Keswick Democrats? Are we supposed to be going to...

No. Okay, that's where we're going to. Yeah, you're right. I just forgot about our it'sinerary today. I got it all mixed up. We're going to go to see the Keswick Democrat Society where Knox Lewis played for the first song. Kentucky. Ooh.

That's good. Ignore that. That was pretty good. Yeah, thank you. I want to see this venue. Wheeoooo! You can't see this venue. All right.

You get in the middle. Yeah, you're in the movie. Here we are at Keswick, the Keswick, formerly known as... Keswick's Democratic Club. Republican now. But this was once the site of the first ever Knocked Loose show. Take us back. Yeah.

So my friend Scott, who used to book a lot of shows in Louisville, booked both your bands, actually. Okay. Thank you, Scott. At the house, Chestnut House? No. Booked Twitting Tongues and Disgrace at Nelligan Hall. Yeah, I remember that super well. He used to book here.

A lot of people used to book here, but he booked Knocked Loose here. It was our first show ever in 2013, just 10 years ago now. Happy birthday. Thank you, yeah. Awesome time. This is also the spot where we filmed the video for the gospel. I wish that we could go in, but I assume you guys are going to show clips of that video. Here it is.

Wow. God, that was awesome. Very small, no stage whatsoever, just checkered floor like BFW hole. A negative stage. Very important question. What did you look like at that time? Oh, dude. Like 80 pounds, top knot.

Oh, sexy. In the process of growing my hair out, thick septum ring. Oh yeah. Smoking cigs. How many cigarettes would you say you ate a day? 10 to 15. End of 15. 20 in a pack, it would last me a day and a half.

Oh, wow. Riddle. Marlboro blacks, they were 325 a pack in Louisville. That's why you started the band. To fun cigars. Yeah, I needed money for cigarettes. I was in college. That's hard boy.

Yeah. Dropped out of college. To smoke. To smoke six full time. Gotta keep buying sigs. Gotta get a plan. You'll hear in the Jost episode, he said, we got to start a band to make a band. Brian.

I gotta keep smoking. Yeah, I wanted to smoke. I really wanted to start taking it serious. Sicking? Yeah, that's when I bumped it up to 10. Professional level. Yeah. That's awesome.

Yeah, I was probably wearing like a size medium shirt. What were you into at the time, you know? Who were you? What was your favorite thing? What was your favorite thing? Other than smoking cigarettes? What was his McDonald's order? Ah.

Same. Black coffee. Hasn't changed. You know, my Taco Bell order has changed over the years, but my McDonald's order has stayed consistent, probably my entire life. I feel like that's probably the same for everybody, huh? I think mine too. I feel like Taco Bell I get sick of shit more than I do in McDonald's. Yeah. Was the set good? Yeah, first set was awesome. We were like... That's how you know. Yeah, we were like... So, Isaac was in another band, and it was their last show. So new band opened for his old band.

Poetry. Sworn Inn played. Which one? Not the B-9 one. Not the B-9 one. The other one. The like Chicago metal core, like, Mascara.

Yeah, yeah. We stayed at the metal frat the day before us one time. Really? They stayed to watch us. Shout out to the metal frat. Great venue. You ever play there? No.

Before your time. Where was that? Ann Arbor, Michigan. Ann Arbor, Michigan. But it was a full-on-form. frat house that had like what 15 rooms yeah it was huge i don't know if i've ever played an arbor yeah i don't think that there's a place to play it was quite it was probably someone's four years at a university and then they left and then it stopped but it was incredible when we started

playing michigan it was the first sanctuary oh yeah that one i remember that one yeah what was it what were your your spots here right were you spinelie's kid were you a chestnut house I feel like Spinelli's didn't start doing shows heavily until we lost spots like this and spots like Chestnut House. I went to Chestnut House. I went here. I saw so many shows here. This was like the perfect small DIY venue because it probably held 200 kids tops, but like 50, it looked good. You know what I mean?

So like saw a cool hand here. Why don't you do this little secret thing here? So it became a hot dog restaurant called Red Top, which is setting up at LDB. Oh, okay. They're going to have a food truck. You immediately quelled a fire that was brewing. It's very good hot dogs. So definitely try it while you're at the fest.

Yeah, guarantee it. I think they actually just recently announced that they're closing the brick and mortar and only doing the food truck. So I don't know what it is now, but there was a time period where like Alex and Ryan, who book LDB, were talking to them about potentially doing shows here again, but they had a lot of tables put in where the shows would happen that I think were like made into the floor. So they were like, you can, you just got to work around the tables and it obviously wouldn't

work for a hardcore show. You ever get spin kicked at the Chestnut House? Yeah. So one time I went to the Chestnut House, the first time I ever went, I saw Deathbed from Atlanta and I remember it was so packed that I was like I can I can stand here like nobody's gonna mosh it's too packed and I remember Alex who books LDB and she lived at the chestnut house she was walking through telling everybody to download the strobe light app on the iPhone this was like iPhone 3 iPhone 2 or something and I was like oh this sounds fun so like I downloaded it on my

phone and the second deathbed started they were like where deathbed we're a straight edge band lights go off everybody just turns strobes on and i just see flashes of like oh no and then like i was just up against the wall like they whipped your ass just getting smoked um but it was awesome um great show tyler short from inclination louville legend louville legend uh nick d from knoxville knowcts knocked him out three times with one punch. So like, oh, I'm knocked out, I'm up. Oh, my God. Literally, so like he's moshing.

He hits Tyler in the head. Tyler's head, he, like, he falls, hits his head on the wall. Wall, floor? So floor, he's out. He wakes up to being carried out, and he's like, I'm good, I'm good. So his friends let him go, he falls again. Wow.

He wakes up outside and he stands up, and he's like, I'm good, falls again. Wow. Wow. One of 48 can come. that he's working out now. Nick Dee's hard mosher. You heard it here.

I want to know more about the origins of Nogluism. Yeah, I was going to ask you, where did the voice come from? I'm often interested in the voice of the singer. He's a unique one, you know. When I was in high school, when I first started singing, the first thing I ever tried to sing was job for a cowboy. in my room with my friend. Yeah, I was, like, trying to do, like, fancy shit.

Sounds like my stomach after this hot brown. But I'm, like, trying to do... We just have... Yeah. I'm trying to do, like, fancy shit. And in my first band, I was trying to do, like, highs and lows and, like, all kinds of shit. And somebody, like, like, a singer came up to me after a show,

and was like, hey, like, you sound really good, but you're doing it wrong. And, like, you're going to fuck up your voice. if you keep doing it this way. So then I kind of- And that was Barack Obama. He said, Brian, I have an idea. You sound really good.

Did you're doing it all wrong? So from there, I like dove into YouTube, like trying to learn how to do it. And that was also around the time that I feel like I started finding like just like more like straightforward vocalists. So I found like, Comeback Kid, like Wake the Dead era. Oh yeah.

And I started to do that. I was just like, I'm just going to stop screaming. I'm just going to do like yells. And I was like trying to do punk bands and stuff. And it was very similar, like very high pitch, like incendiary style. It's still a very big part of my like stage voice, like when I'm talking to the crowd. Oh, yeah. But.

And then one time jamming with Kevin and Isaac, before Knocked Loose became Knocked Loose, but we were already like writing. We never knew what we wanted to sound like. There were so many different versions of like, oh, it sounded like, death wish at the time or it sounded like dude like have heart was huge at the time like we were like sad for a minute and then it was like so it just it kept going and in one of those

renditions I kind of just pushed a little bit harder and it went from a yell to a scream and I was like that is my voice at its purest form and I just kept doing that and then over the year so like when you listen to early knock loose recordings I like didn't know how to do that I didn't know how to keep it where it was. I was just kind of hoping for the best. And then over the years, I've kind of learned how to, like, mess with it. That's one of the best answers we've gotten to that. Because a lot of

times it's just like, yeah, I don't know. That's how I feel. You just do it. You just do it until something happens. Yeah, I've always wondered with, like, singers like you where you're actually singing, because, like, I listened to, I always had this theory with Age of the Apocalypse, and I love that band. But I had this theory that he was like listening to like life of agony and was like joking around mimicking it and his friends went, dude.

You're actually pretty sick at that. Yeah, literally. Yeah, that's how it happened with me. Yeah. Is it really? I was in musical theater. Oh, okay. Of course he was. He loves pop star and all other kinds of things. Family opera. That's my shit, dude. I am. The phantom. The opera.

That's sick. Not yet. But what I'm I'm really curious to see geographically where it is that Knockluce started as a band. I want to see Knottloos headquarters. Yeah, we'll go. Isaac's house. It's Isaac's house? Isaac's house.

Well, it's his parents' house. But when I met Isaac, he was 14, 15 years old. I like that. Yeah. Started young. These motherfuckers were starting late now. The first time I ever met Isaac, Kevin, our bass player, was like, like I was done with, I thought I was done playing in bands.

I was going to college and trying to, like, trying to like be an adult. And Kevin was like, I'm jamming with this kid. You should come check it out. And I went. And I remember Isaac had like the slip-knock guitar. Sick. And he had the slip-not drum set too.

Oh, yes. And I remember he showed us like some riffs. And I was like, yeah, that's pretty cool. And then I left and I texted Kevin and said, he's way too metal. It's like I want to do something more like punk. He's way too metal. Look at you now. Yeah.

I gave it another truck. You want to go in there and eat your words real quick? They saw words. Well, that's going to be fun. Let's go check out Noctu's headquarters. All right. We'll see you there. It's the best.

All right. All right. So here we are. You're at Knock Loose headquarters. Brian's going to take her to the secret layer where all these songs were born and raised. Not true. And birthed. Recorded.

Engineering. This is where Knock Loose was born. This is where Knock Loose was born. This is where I'm, this garage is where I met Isaac and said he's too. Two metal. Can you believe that? Look at them now. Besties.

Besties. Take us on in. Besties for the resties. Let's see this motherfucker. Cover up this coat. Yeah, don't look at the coat. Don't come to that coat. I'll fuck you up.

Okay? They change it? What are they saying? No. They didn't. Wow. Was this the Slipknot Drum Kid he played on? Is this the piece?

So here's the practice room. Boy, it feels like I was... Yeah, we got it. It's coming. It's coming. You're gonna blow your fucking mind with these lights going. There it is. Come on. Boy, I feel like I was just here, Brian. Tell you what?

So this is the practice room. This was the first practice room. I'm honored to have farted in it. And then it moved to the other side of the house for a bit because it was... bit because like one of his older neighbors complained about the noise and then senior citizens are so annoying they're so ready for it all get lost they're not DIY at all straight out there but then we soundproofed this together Isaac and i and his dad look at that it's got this like thick wood behind these these like soundproof it's pretty soundproof perfect crazy story though

this has never been on record oh they're me and i Isaac right here, right? And we're holding this heavy piece of wood. It's like this black wood that's like soundproofing the walls. And there's a window here and I rested it on the window seal for

a second to like resituate a heavy piece of wood. It falls, lands on Isaac's toe, obliterates his toe. Is that the toe? The toe. So you did that? I did it. I know this story. Isaac is writhing.

in pain. Yeah. Runs to the bathroom. I'm sitting here like awkwardly. Like I don't know what to do. I'm scared. Shattered every bone in his toe. Had to be, had to go to the emergency room.

Had to have like the toenail removed. I'm disgusting. And it has caused him problems since. Yeah, I remember on a tour. He had a bad toe. So does he get a little bit more of the not loose money? No, but like, one. Once a year

that toe grow The toenail grows in Ingrown So once a year He has to have it removed Oh that's no problem So like every now

I do that without Does that with a horrific Ingram So like every now And then like once a year On a tour You'll notice he's like Limping a little bit

It's like oh it's growing back And he's just like Yeah fuck you This is hardcore 2012 I would play the whole set With an ingrow toenail And you couldn't

You would never tell until at the end of the set. Like last minute of the last song, Jeremy from Lifeless, is going for a dive and is like, and I'm damn near, I'm like, ha, I'll never forget. Perfectly on key.

Maybe the most pain I've ever experienced. Chris was loading a 5150 of mine in a case and was wearing flip-flops. Perfect. Dropped it, it landed on his big toe, broke his big toe, and then the flip-flop, like I pulled it out from, Chris was running around a parking lot.

Pulled the flip-flop out, and the flip-flop went like that. Cut out? It was flattened. Wow. By his toe, by the toe. By the amp. Yeah. It was that heavy and impactful.

He broke his toe. So, Isaac, you're not fucking special. We've all. We've all broken. At one point, this kind of just turned into storage. It still kind of is. But we actually now have, like, storage units. Wow.

Good for you, man. But I mean, for years, I mean, still, like, when we start a tour, merch gets shipped here. Taylor comes and, like, sorts it in the living room. You got to get that. Checked out. Not totally soundproof yet. There's ducks outside. It's smell proof out.

And they're, you can hear him quack. It's crazy. Guy's unbelievable. Who? You. It's crazy, man. So this was always H.E. Yeah.

Are you guys keeping it that way? I think Isaac mentioned maybe not. We've been daydreaming about a legit, about buying an HQ. A warehouse slash practice space. So Isaac records bands in his downtime, mainly like local bands and stuff. So like kind of like a multi-purpose, like storage. A lot of it is just because of storage. Like, his parents have been so great to us for 10 years now.

And how long has he not lived here? Not even a year. Oh, okay. Yeah. Because he's the youngest and he like held on to it. Does he love his parents? Yeah. They're the best.

And you'll meet them this weekend. They'll definitely be at the fest. But they've just done so much for us that like it's definitely time to get out of their hair. You know what I mean? Usually the vans here. Paxon has it right now for this weekend, but usually the van's parked here. So they're just,

they let you guys fucking run. Dude, we'll get, no joke before a tour, we'll get 83 boxes of merch sent to this house, and it's their entire living room. It's too many of, is just boxes this high.

And then when Taylor comes to sort it, it's just stacks and stacks and stacks of clothes. So like, a place for that, a place to rehearse. But you know what, they're smart, because they're looking at those shirts

and they're thinking stacks and stacks and stacks of the green. Stacks. They're thinking, my son is so awesome. My son and his friends. Other than his toe, God rest its soul. His son is an amazing bullshit. Dude, he's not going to like that.

No way. We'll see. Yeah, and also, like, knocked loose practice has kind of turned into, like, full-blown rehearsals because, like, when we do production, like, we practice lights, we practice all kinds of stuff. Holy shit, that's great. Colin did that.

It's a ghost, dude. It just turned into hauntler. Hot lore. Buttons from tour. 2.5. Yeah. Buttons from tour. Watch out.

But yeah, full-blown rehearsals. So are you going to have like a lighting setup like for Taylor to practice? Probably not permanently but like we'll have a stage. Yeah. And we'll have like we'll get whatever we rent sent there. And we've also talked to, we've just been talking to. talking a lot about ways to make it kind of self-sustainable.

Yeah. Like renting it to like photographers and stuff that want to use the space. Rent it to bands in Louisville that want to have like a practice space. Not anything that we would like... Blue HQ or something. On the spot. That's one of my... Dude, we've got this...

So we had this light made. You've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it. It worked one time and it was the time you see it. Yeah, it was a disaster. It was for me. It sat in our trailer for two months without being used because it never worked. But we had this light made. It was a fucking eight foot tall LED light.

That's the handprint logo that we do. And it sat behind Paxon on a stand. So it was like 10 feet tall, just this big blue hand. And the idea was that Taylor could change it and stuff. But all we ever got it to do, Taylor literally YouTubeed how to solder wiring for lights and figured out how to get it to just turn on blue for that show. So we have it just in... You were very stressed for that show.

Yeah. We have it just in storage. I love soar. So my dream... I do too. It's fun. Yeah. Other than like a breath, like, inhaling lead.

Yeah. But it makes you feel like you're like... I'm a fucking man. I can do it. Oh, my watch is broken? My dream for Knocked Loose HQ is like... Think about like men in black. Like, you walk into a room that's like all white.

and we have like a receptionist and the hand is behind her and she's like welcome to knock loose hq are you taking applications or yeah you want to work you want to work there maybe well first you have to have the room where will smith goes what's up pops and yeah we can have the we can have like a hard lore studio where you just do like on air radio shows from the noctlose hk we're already making millions yeah but i mean who like that's that's just something we're daydreaming about. Now that everybody's

kind of getting their own, like, Isaac packs and I have a house now. So like a lot of this stuff will slowly, yeah, not together. Their own separate houses.

So a lot of this stuff will slowly kind of like migrate there. Do you fart again? I didn't know. It's all he does. What do you mean? The answer is always yes.

No, I'll tell you when it's nice. We got to our room last night about, I was unpacking my suitcase to give him a body wash that I had for him. and I walked into the room and it was tragic. Well, I've been in the, I've been holding it all day.

Sitting next to Andy on the plane, you want me to rip an ass being like, yeah, my bad. I want you to treat me how you would treat Andy. I never. All right. Noded and remembered. Any fond memories, aside from destroying Isaac's life? I mean, a ton, yeah. Yeah, there's a ton for sure.

What's the hardest you ever last? here. That's a great question. Dude, that's such a hard question. What's the hardest you've ever laughed? I can tell you easily in a top five hardest I've ever laughed with Knocked Loose.

That works. We were writing the EP that came out over the over quarantine tearing the fabric of life. We wrote it in a cabin in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, like deep in the woods. We wanted to like haunt it deep in the woods vibe. And Isaac does this thing, and only when you write with him will you ever see it.

But Isaac, like, we write full band jam session. Everybody's pitching ideas. Isaac will get so excited about an idea that he'll present it before he's actually worked it out. So then he works it out. So he goes, dude, what if? And then he's like, okay, what if we did? And he'll, like, give the idea. Calculating.

There was a moment where. where we're sitting there and we had just been writing all day like we're both we're all out of it and Isaac's like oh it would be cool if we and then he went and he's looking at Paxon but he's zoned out and he's like what if we and Paxon behind the drums went send it to me and I was like crying on the floor I was so funny I love Paxon I love you Paxon yeah you talked about something just now I don't know if you're ready to talk about this. It's been years.

What? I want to talk about the haunting of Bellevue. Belleville. Bellville. Yeah. Tell me more. What is that? Share the story.

I've talked about the, yeah. So, I have to piss. That's a scary story. Can you go piss and then come back and talk about the ghost? This is the story about the haunting of Bill. So you recorded. Was this different shade of blue? Yeah.

You record a different shade of blue at Graphic Nature. Yeah, in Belleville, New Jersey. Belleville, New Jersey with Will Putney. But, so, like I said, we write in a jam setting. We wrote laugh tracks here in this garage. Wow. First album. Which just went silver, by the way.

Wow. Really? Yeah. I mean, 100,000 sold. Wow. Yeah, we got a plaque for it. Yeah, we got a plaque and everything. Your noise.

Yeah. But, um... Good job, Cahill. Yeah. But then we were touring off of it so heavy that we just would not write. So like, it was getting time to start working on the next record. And Will Putney was actually like, why don't you just come to the studio and write? He was like, I won't be there.

I won't even be involved. You can literally just use it as a practice space. But we would sleep, eat, live there. So it's all we would focus on is the record. So we played this as hard. hardcore in Philly and just went to Jersey straight after that for like two weeks. And we loved it. So we were like, when can we come back?

And he was like, I'm going on vacation to Hawaii with my wife. You can just have the studio while I'm gone. So we did another setting there, another session there. During the second session, we're there practically alone. Randy Labuff, who also records there. Yes. Love EQ. Great God.

So it was not loose, Randy Lubbuff. person in EQ and a dog named a beautiful dog a dog yeah and beautiful dog respecter and the woman in the walls scary name but uh so uh Randy was like in and out he works there as well um but he would mainly come like at night and be in like a control room downstairs and we would have the entire upstairs you've been there have you ever been there so post human was recorded there it's like like a big warehouse bait and when you walk in there's like a living room and a control room and then there's steps that go into a giant live room and then a long hallway and on the hallway

is like two more three more control rooms a room full of bunk beds and then a kitchen yeah so it's actually for recording purposes for like a band living there sleeping there eating there cooking it's perfect you wake up go jam there's a gym up the street it was actually like awesome There's a little Caesar's close. Sure is. Steve's Valley Deli. Oh, dude. Respect to Steve.

The Friday Steak Special. That place was good. But so we're writing every day, like we're waking up, having breakfast, writing a song, having dinner, writing a song, playing video games going to bed. Every day. It's summer. It's amazing. Yeah, it was awesome. But every day, like, the most.

more relaxed the schedule gets, the later we would write. So at one point, we're writing at like between 11 and midnight. And I don't remember what started it, but the vibes were kind of spooky. And we literally were like, let's write a scary song. It was storming outside. And we were like, ooh, let's write a scary song. So we turned off all the lights and lit a bunch of candles. And we started writing the song that became in the walls off of a different shade of blue. while we're writing a lot of it admittedly was like when you're in that mood things creep you out yeah so like we keep thinking we're hearing things

and like things just keep happening that are kind of weird and like just furthering this like mood that we're in and then at one point we all had headphones with our own little mixers so that we could hear everything the right way, Paxson's headphones started picking up a radio signal, which like isn't super uncommon. No, it happens to it. But like in this mood, we're like, oh my God.

And we're like, what do I often say? What do I often say? Shut the fuck. But we're like, oh, what's the radio saying? You know, like we're trying to like creep ourselves out. So we keep pushing through. And I remember I like, I gave it a name. as a joke I just went oh it's the woman in the walls and everybody was like oh yeah the woman in

the walls there's a ghost at the studio blah blah blah and we're so we're jamming through a part that we're writing and in the middle of playing Paxon shoots up and he's like something just touched my fucking leg he's like scared and Paxon is never anything but happy so you know to take it serious. And he's like, something touched my fucking leg. And we're all like, what? And he's like, I swear to God, something touched my leg. He's like looking up in the ceiling because the ceiling's kind of unfinished, like rafters,

to see if maybe something fell. We're looking around on the floor to see if something fell. And he's like fully freaked out. And I was like, it's the woman in the walls. And I was like, your headphones picked up the radio thing. Something touched your leg. She's

fucking with you. She hates you. Like, I'm just like, really like, You're goofing around. Yeah. And Paxson, Yeah. Paxon finds, he wears a bracelet, and it had a cross on it. And it had fallen off and touched his leg on the way down.

But the cross was completely clasped. Like, he literally had to undo it to put it back on his bracelet. So it makes no sense how it would have fallen off while he was playing. So we were just like, this is fucked. Like, we started to get, like, legitimately freaked out. And then at one point Randy walks through and he's like And we're like Randy is this place haunted And he's like what are you talking about? We're like is this place haunted? And he's like

It's a super old building like you're going to hear shit and we're like not the question Like is it fucking haunted because this happened and this happened and this happened and I like said it to Randy I was like it's the woman in the walls she hates Paxson and she's fucking and he said it's super weird that we say that because where the drums are set up in Belleville, which they don't record at Belleville anymore, rest and peace. But where the drums are set up, I don't know if you remember. Behind the drums is a shelf of snares. All that stuff, yeah.

And there's a doorway carved out that leads to nowhere. And it's actually a room that they drywalled off. So there's technically a room in the walls directly behind Paxa. So we were like, it's hard. Like, that just, like, fueled the fire. And, like, we're, like, legitimately kind of spooked at this point. And, like, it's, like, storming outside and it's dark. So we're, like, we got to power through this fucking song.

So we write the song, and the song ends with, like, a breakdown, like, every single knock-loose song. Yeah. And it's, like, a hard cut. And then from there, I go into the control room that has a window looking into the live room. And I'm like, Will had it set up to where we could record ourselves playing so we had demos. So I was like, I'm going to go record that. You all, like, talk through it. I record them playing it.

At the end, Cole improvised this, like, melodic, like, clean guitar thing. When they, like, didn't tell us, hey, I'm going to try this thing out. They just, like, did the hard cut, and Cole started going. And it was, like, really creepy. Yeah. And I was, like, looking at him through the window, like, keep going. And Isaac's like, yeah, that's sick. So Cole plays this thing, like, however many times he plays it.

And when they get done, I was like, that's fucking awesome. Everybody come into the control room, will listen back. So we're like all in this room huddled around the computer and we're listening to the demo and we're like, this song is sick. And Isaac's like, you've got to write about the woman in the walls. And I was like, I've got to. Like, this is our haunted song, blah, blah, blah. And when that clean guitar part came up, in like a order, I went,

this needs a sound clip and Paxson went what if we did a radio sound clip like I was hearing in my ears and then Isaac was like what if we did the radio sound clip from PT do you know that game of course scariest game ever yeah yeah so I was like okay cool like perfect idea and PT is about like a female ghost yeah yeah so I pull it up on YouTube and I start the song from the beginning and when that part hits I press play on YouTube and how you hear it in the recording is exactly how it went to the point where Cole didn't play to a metronome or a certain amount of times through. So we took the demo guitar and just used it. Wow. So like the sound clip, the way that it lands on the record is exactly how it landed the first time that we wrote it. It sounds like the sound

clip was made for this guitar part. Like the part cuts at the crescendo of the sound clip. And it was just so creepy and eerie how everything kind of like fell together and then like I swear to God no exaggeration we're sitting there listening to it and it's perfect and I sit back in the chair and I go that's the song and then all the power went out like out of a movie oh and like literally I like feel like I went into shock like I was like there's the song and then boom all the power went out and I was like and I was like and I turned turned around and like Kevin was standing up by the door. And I went, fuck you, Kevin.

I thought he turned the light off to fuck with us. He was just like, I swear to God I didn't do that. And we all just kind of like looked at each other. And then like Scooby-Doo ran down the steps. Like ran down to Randy. And we're like, what the fuck? And we're like, you cut the power. Like you knew that we were freaked out.

You cut the fucking breaker to fuck with us. And Randy explained that the breaker is in that room behind a flag that they had on the wall. So like it's not easily accessible. They had like a straight from the path flag on the back wall. The breaker is hidden. That room is the only room that lost power in the entire studio. So it's not the storm.

Literally like we're here, you've been there. Hallway has power. Live room has power. That room has those two towers that controlled every control room in the building. Randy was like, I didn't lose it from the towers. The other control room was fine. All of the stuff that we had recorded was still there, but the lights and the computer just cut. And there's still really no explaining it.

But I was like straight- I straight up was scared. Like legitimately scared. I was like Tex and Taylor like, this place is fucking haunted. When we were there, we were haunted by a fucking mouse. Oh, yeah. Thing wouldn't stop. Yeah.

The worst is when you'd walk into the kitchen And it would be right there The wire shelf It would be eye level It'd be eye level Just a mouse just like hey It should let it cook for you It cooked and ate our food

When you weren't around Yeah, I had all our cereal I have to show you one more thing In Isaac's house Okay Two more things But they can be straight up a walkthrough We don't have to really talk about them

Okay, let's do it, let's do it Okay This is Isaac's office This is where Isaac and I did our Metallica podcast very briefly This is his dad, his dad's office. But when Isaac lived here, this is where he would record. And this is actually where we recorded our demo, pop culture, the one with the dog on it.

Yeah. So all the early Noctuos recordings were all done right here. I just tracked vocals right here next to Isaac. And any of our other bands, like Heart Stopper, all that shit, like it was all recorded right here. Weapon X. Yeah. Oh. Big spot.

No. set list from recently, I guess, because that's a newer song. That's sweet. I don't know what that's even from or why that's on the wall. I like that the Stevie Ray Vaughn poster got moved diagonally to accommodate the setlist. Yeah. You got to fit it. Or that might have just been the angle.

No, that's crooked. And then we'll go, I was telling Bo a long time ago, Noctaw's played a house show here in the living room. I'll show you that. Oh, young man. Oh, there is. Wow. This is what I'm...

Drones up against this wall. Yeah. There's shots of it in the... For a showroom? Yeah, this is an incredible. This is sick. We played... It was 2013.

We played here. We put those soundproof blankets up against the windows, and then we put all, like, merch tables lining the wall so that nobody could go through a window. How many people are people? And we fit over 100 people in here. Holy shit. It was insane. I couldn't put my arms down.

I was in the crowd like this. And like we put the drums up like up against the back wall. Yeah. Played like this and then his parents watched from the window to the kitchen. Were they just like, were they into it or were they like, oh. No, they're into it. They've always been into it. The coolest.

Dude. Isaac's dad loves twitching tongues. Wow. That's legit. Oh, that's true. He told us that. Yeah. He came to that twitching tongues.

and Tongue's disgrace show. Right, and he's on the front the whole time. Yeah. And I remember being like, well, this guy is bad at? I'm pretty sure if somebody circle pitted with him. Damn. Yeah. He's like, yeah.

Dude, we'll come over. He's like, he's like the reason why Isaac likes extreme music, definitely. Right, because he's into like Pantera and stuff. Well, he's into like, dude, like six feet under him, a sugar and like crazy shit. And we'll come like over to practice and he'll just like be in the yard, like headphones on, blaring, just like staring off into the distance. listening to crazy-ass music. Yeah, he's awesome.

This is a special room, special house. Yeah. There was a time period where we practiced over here because, like I said, the neighbors, we would practice in that corner. Yeah. It's a good view. Great view.

Yeah. We got dogs running. That's all you need, really. Yeah. What a lovely day. I say it's a house show. Somebody got knocked out cold at that house show. It was crazy.

Would you say they got? Tell them to shut the fuck up. You want something sweet? I want some sweet. I'll give you something sweet. They say I'm sweet. Oh! All right.

We're here at homemade ice cream and pie kitchen. And we're going to eat some homemade ice cream and pie. Before we go in, what's your history with this joint? I just love it. I have no history other than I'm just like a frequent visitor. What's your go-to? Blueberry pie vanilla ice cream. Wow.

Yeah. A blueberry. man. Yeah. What do you thoughts on blueberry? I am. You'd have to zell me, brother. Couldn't pay me. Really? Why? What's your

go to? I'll beef. I beefed berry. Bear, just in general. I fist fight a berry. That's fucked. Blueberry pancakes? Okay. I'll kill you. He says this to me. What's the deal? What's the deal?

I'm not into it. So what's your goat? What are you going to get? Like a pumpkin or an apple? I'm not a big apple. You know what? As an American? It's right here It's not right here

So your go-to pie is just pumpkin? Pumpkin, I love a chocolate cream It's March What's your go-to? Happen? I respect you. I will fucking red-blooded America No, I respect you.

I will fight for the death. Where else can you go to just get a slice of pie? Pouss of Pies. Baker Square. Oh, and there's all kinds of pie places out in L.A. We got a pie. House of Pies. We just missed March 14.

Actual cities have actual things. We got stuff. Yeah, yeah. But in Louisville, you have this, and that's it. But this is, look at it, the lights. Yeah, it looks local as fuck. It does. There's a dance center above it.

You get ice cream on your pie? The dance center? I hope they got... Now, you and all of them. Now, that's my big thing. And this is what, this is, this is controversy here. I believe, with my heart and soul, balls and all, that pie is a vessel for ice cream. Okay.

Oh, good. Good. I was afraid you were going the other way. And not much more. Okay, so you're saying... I think pie exists to enhance... To serve you ice cream. It's like a waffle cone.

Exactly. That exists. It might as well be a yummy fork. I got you. I am the kind of person that never is like, oh, hey, let's go get ice cream. If I'm picking the dessert, I'm picking pie, donuts, stuff like that. I like hot desserts. Love a hot dessert.

But I love ice cream with a hot dessert. Yeah, absolutely. You know what I hate? Cake. You hate cakes straight up? A good cake changed my mind. Dude, you ever have the confetti cake from nothing but cakes? No.

I've had better. I sold damn near sold myself when I had this thing. And I haven't had a different cake since. I, like a cheesecake doesn't really count. It's not really cake. Yeah, that's its own. You know what it's its own beautiful thing? We've definitely had a bunch of cheesecake together.

Yes, we have. There's a factory they make them here. We pass it on here. Should we go leave here? We went one time. They call it the chicken gimmick. Yeah, yeah. Chicken Parmesan pizza style.

You guys know, I'm not lying. We sat down. Have you talked about this on the show, the chicken gimmick? Not what you're about to say. We sat down at a cheesecake factory once, and they said, do we know what we want? And both said, we'll have 18 chicken gimmicks. And every single person at our table got it except for two vegans. It was us, higher power sanctioned in arms way.

That's awesome. And everybody had the best time. Yeah, that sounds like. good. Everybody was wheelbarrowed out by the server? Because you have to have cheesecake too. If you didn't get cheesecake, you were ashamed. I'll kick your ass. Yeah. And then I think we saw a movie. We saw a pet cemetery. Yeah. The new one? Yep. That was an awesome tour. That was a good tour. Wish I was there. It was in California. All right, let's go. Home-made ice cream and pie kitchen. Mike, we're coming in.

Ice cream and pie. All right. All right. Come on. Oh, thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you so much. Dutch apple. What's the, what's the chocolate chess all about? What is the chess? See, now caramel is too much. Yeah.

You like butkeyes? It's really bad. Chocolate balls with peanut butter in the middle. It sounds all right. No, either way, you had me at, hello. I don't know whether to do that or chocolate. Why not both? It's a holiday.

It's hard more day. Wow. You think plain or chocolate chess? Chocolate all day. My man. See that answer? Let me do a big, a big old one slice of that. We'll call this one slice of that.

Do you think I should? Yeah. Can I get it alimode? Yes. What kind of ice could? Vanilla. Straight up. Go with Dutch apple.

Sounds good. What are you doing? What's your pie? Blueberry. I'm sorry. I forget things. It's good. Oh, oh.

because you hate berries. I remember everything. He remembers years like you wouldn't believe. Really? We did the greatest album thing the other day. I didn't miss one. We didn't miss a single date. I watched the entire thing. What'd you think? It was awesome. You got a Master Killer to your record we haven't said? Um, oh I don't know, I'd have satisfaction. It's on there. It's on there. You think I'd miss that? It's on the thumbnail. I was building a bed while I was watching it, so maybe that's why. I'm going to do Dutch Apple, warmed up with something else. This is so sexy. Double B's, Mets.

It's graphic. I'm going to do a blueberry slice warmed up with vanilla ice cream. It's good? Thank you. How's that? This is definitely the best hard lore episode ever, right? It's the easiest one. Nobody else has gotten me by.

This was such a lovely day. Yeah, great. Do you know where he's going next? Where you know him next? After this weekend? Australia. To play what? Not Fest.

Brand synchronicity. Thank you, Brian. I think this is the perfect place to have this. I'm going to enjoy my pie. In silence. On the table. Thanks for your time today and your wisdom and your grace and your stories. You scared me.

You laughed me. My lure. You scarred me. You charred me. You fed me. Thanks for watching. This has been Hardlore Brian Garris, not Bruce, Lou and Joey. Hi.

Hot Brown. See you next time. Bye. That was good.