HardLore - Mark Porter: FLOORPUNCH, 90’s Hardcore, Straight Edge, Death Metal

Starting point is 00:00:00 This is how it happened. Like, I want to start a band. We're going to call it Floor Punch. Zussi was like, within an ear shot. I was like, I'll play. I had known Mike and Mark from the town that my dad lived in. And they were like, everyone was like basically in an ear shot. And like, oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:00:14 You know, we got Bill or this. And like, and that was it. We were practicing two months later. And it's because you were all so miserable at this snapcase bloodlet donuts show. Yeah, I think that was like the tide that like turned, it broke us. Hello, welcome. It's Hardlork time. How you doing, Bo? I'm doing great. Colin, I did homework for this, and I'm very excited.

Starting point is 00:00:57 We've been working overtime for the better part of a year to make this episode happen. And it's finally here. We're ready. We have an incredible guest today. Who do we got? This is a man we talk about often on the show. He's made a few small guest appearances, but this is his first full-fledged episode. A man always on our very short list of the show. the greatest straight edge frontman in history. Everyone, please welcome from Floor Punch, Mark Porter. Thank you to have me. I'm honored to be here, and there was very kind words.

Starting point is 00:01:32 All right. You know, factual words. Thank you so much. Good to informally meet you. Yeah, I think we've crossed past it a couple shows before. We have for sure. I was, uh, I was wearing a baby blue tea at the, this is hardcore 2009, I think, the hottest room I've ever been, in my life when floor punch played. What's that? Starland ballroom. Yeah. Yeah. We're also all straighted, so we do meet at the barbecue. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:02:01 the yearly. The quarterly quarterly, the quarterly barbederoy. He's always got a line, though, so I've never gotten up to the front. Yeah, it's true. As I said earlier, we've been looking forward to this for a better part of a year. Tried to make it happen in person, but figured that with time

Starting point is 00:02:16 being a factor, and, you know, the book going on, selling out left and right that this was the best way to make it happen. When I talk about the book, I'm, of course, talking about floor punch. No exceptions. This is one of the best physical documentations of hardcore music ever made,

Starting point is 00:02:34 put together by the Shining Life Press team. Can't recommend it enough if you don't already own a copy. Is this something that they approached you guys with? Whose idea was this? They did. They did approach us. I would say prior to early 2020, late 2019. That's how long it took for this to come out.

Starting point is 00:02:55 Yeah, definitely prior to COVID, I know for a fact. And, but that's nothing, those guys just leave no stone unturned. You know, I mean, even now, like, there's pictures showing up for later pressings and stuff. Like, people, like, submitting stuff they found. Like, there was a wild story that just happened, like, in the last few weeks, a girl, Jessica Humphrey, who was from Virginia. Beach who dated Timmy blade Crusher. She had a storage unit that was broken into it when

Starting point is 00:03:24 she was living in Brooklyn years ago. So some Brandon Martinez, the turnstile roadie, hits me up. He was like, yo, my boy is at this like in assignment shop and someone brought in a box of pictures and there's floor punch pictures. They were stolen from her storage unit.

Starting point is 00:03:40 Holy phone. Send them over to John. There was a picture of like from Timmy's prom that I sent to her. Like, this is crazy. Like, look at this. And she's like, where did you get that? I was like, well, this guy has it at this consignment or like, you know, retro kind of store in Brooklyn. And I don't know if she'd gotten it back yet, but they definitely put them in touch with each other. And she was trying to get her stuff back. The book pretty much stops at 2000. As it should, as it should. Do you think so? Yeah, I mean, we didn't do anything for seven

Starting point is 00:04:09 years. You know, we as always being like a self-deprecating fan of my band, anyone will tell you that was close to us was my big well do you think they'll like us is anyone gonna mosh is anyone gonna mosh yeah that was like the quote from the first show was like everybody on attendance was like why did porter just ask me if i'm gonna wash yeah because what's worse than seeing a band that no one's into you know what i mean so literally nothing what's worse than playing a show and no one's mosh i can't dude you knew show one yeah the only thing that sucks is that yes yeah without ever being in a band before yeah Like, I knew what, you know, we, we had like a plan.

Starting point is 00:04:52 We wanted to stick to it and hopefully it would work. And luckily for us, it did, you know? Wow. Amen, did it ever. Basically, this book is going to be the outline for this episode. Right, right. We can't cover everything because the book already did. If you don't have it, I have this extra copy.

Starting point is 00:05:11 I have a sealed extra copy of the first edition. I'm going to give it away to somebody on our Patreon. So one random Patreon member is getting this book. Yep. But for those who don't have the book, for those who have the book, we're going to go in a little bit of detail, a little more detail about certain aspects of that. And the book opens with a forward from Brett Beach that I think is the perfect place to start this conversation.

Starting point is 00:05:36 First of all, I want to shout out Brett, the guys from Shining Life, John and Zach, putting all the time and effort into it, because none of us ever would. Is it anything like this? Yeah. So then doing it, you know, I think it's really. really cool. And to be honest, I still haven't read it.

Starting point is 00:05:52 I kind of just, I looked at what the haters said because I wanted to see where that was going. But other than that, I'm just saving it, you know, like, because I don't want to go off on a tangent, but I'm really weird about core memories. Like when Judge came around, I didn't want to see them.

Starting point is 00:06:08 Because I have those core memories from the video shoot, from other shows, where I was like, it was perfect. I just didn't want to taint when I remember, what I remember. And even now, it just came back with Oasis. Yeah. I was like, I saw a waste.

Starting point is 00:06:21 My wife said we saw Oasis five times. We saw them at like the wetlands, like a 300 cab venue. I saw them at Roseland. I saw them in, you know, arenas. And I was like, do I even want to go? Like,

Starting point is 00:06:32 I had this core memory of them being perfect. But you know what? I'm glad I did because they were amazing. Yeah. It was amazing. I knew the same thing, though. I've seen a couple bands do like, the records.

Starting point is 00:06:41 And I just kind of cross them off a list. I don't want to ruin it. Yeah. I just want to keep, I do the same exact thing. I feel the same way. the last time I saw Slayer, they only played first four albums.

Starting point is 00:06:53 Why do you ever need to see it? I'm good. I'm good. You know? I have an amazing Slayer story if you want me to tell it real quick. I want to hear your Slayer story. And let's get into it to four points. So this is,

Starting point is 00:07:04 this might be, this is early, early, maybe late 95, early 95, definitely 96 at the latest. So I go to see Slare with Tim McMahon from Mouthpiece. And maybe Jeff TDT,

Starting point is 00:07:17 who is, you know, one of my oldest friends from hardcore, you know, rolled everywhere together, floor punch roadie, made all our merch. And we go to see Slare and they open up with Heliwaites. So it's at the Roseland, which is like maybe, a 1500 cap venue, I forget, maybe less. So the first note, I just jump on TDT's back and he just battering rams through the crowd. So within like two seconds of that, I'm completely getting jumped. Like, I'm tough. You know, it's like an actual boot party.

Starting point is 00:07:49 Like, metal heads just stomping me out. So, Jeff rescues me, like, mosh out of there. Like, I get out of there. I didn't get beat, you know, kick it. People are just kicking themselves, you know? I'm, like, covered up. So I'm mosh and, mosh and mosh. That's not even the good part of the story.

Starting point is 00:08:04 So fast forward, you know, maybe like, I don't know, Jesus saves or one of these other tremendous songs. And I just see bodies going, just dropping. And I'm like, what is going on? So I kind of mash over to the middle and I'm like, there's Kev 1, there's Kev 1 bulldoze. Holy shit. Of course. Just dropping metalheads.

Starting point is 00:08:27 So I kind of walk him to go. What's up? And he's like, go, check this out. He has T-shirts around his knuckles. And he just removes the T-shirt and there's chains. We rest in peace, Kev-one. Rest in peace, dude. Another core memory.

Starting point is 00:08:43 That's a guy. Yeah, that's unbelievable. I'm out of there if he's in there, you know? Brett Beach has an amazing story that when we were on tour, AF was just starting to come around. Remember, like, not come around, obviously, but they started playing, sure they did like, you know,

Starting point is 00:08:58 little bits and piece of Chuck Val Benefit and stuff like that. So they're playing the show at Manville Elks. And Brett tells the story so much more eloquent, and he's like a real historian where my brain is just shot. And I wasn't even there, but they said they opened up a victim in pain. And Kev won is like one of his first shows out of jail and proceeded to break someone's nose,

Starting point is 00:09:15 broke another kid's thumb all in about two seconds. That dude was a fast song. Yeah, he was a maniac mosher, but that's my core memories with Slare. That's a great memory. Brett Beach, this quote, here we go. To know Floor Punch, you have to know New Jersey in what the hardcore scene was like in the early 90s. Floor Punch was a product of that time and place.

Starting point is 00:09:40 The previous generation had abandoned the scene, and we were left holding the bag. A lot of people sold out, grew up, quit on hardcore and quit on straight edge. There was an entire generation who had just missed the glory days who had to do it themselves and make their own glory days. And thus we begin. The tale of floor punch. Tell me about New Jersey hardcore in the late 80s and early 90s through your eyes. So I was fortunate enough to have the base.

Starting point is 00:10:14 What did the bass player? What did Jim do? Jim Norton, I think, played bass in crucial youth. Right. He lived three houses away from me. He also sang in a punk band. No, he played it. He didn't sing.

Starting point is 00:10:27 I'm sorry, another kid named Mark sang. He played an instrument in another punk band called the Shock Mommies. So I had like a little built-in scene in my small town. That's a square mile. So I had him, you know, he was an introduction. I don't want to go off on a tangent here. You know, but these are like my core people. right. Jim Norton,

Starting point is 00:10:46 skating, surfing, bodyboarding, growing up a couple blocks from the beach, right? Alternative culture gets it getting introduced. Yeah. Meeting Brett Beach, becoming straight edge in 1987. You know, as

Starting point is 00:11:02 my kids now, you know, I have a 16 year old, a 20 year old, and 11 year old. And when they, like, my middle daughter goes out and she'll do whatever, she's 16. And I'm like, I was already straight edge for two years. years at this point. And they can't even fathom that. Like, yeah, you know, but back to like the 80s, Jersey was crazy. You know, it was a great scene. We had a lot of smaller hardcore bands, like

Starting point is 00:11:26 on top, stand back, react, all like a core shore scene, but we also lurking in the background, we had Underdog. You know what I mean? I saw Underdog in 1987, one of my first shows at like a skate aid benefit for like a ramp half pipe. They played a show a place called the High Tide Cafe. And I was there purely as a skater. But I happened to catch underdog. And, you know, we were fortunate enough to have that. And they were there as skaters too. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:55 Yeah, Russ. Russ is a ripper. Yeah. And in my little circle, my little town, I had a best friend, you know, skating. I meet him would just immediately click. He was an edge. But like, Indiponk had a cryptic slaughtered jean jacket on. It became friendly.

Starting point is 00:12:11 His brother was a little older. and they were friends with skinheads, like real skinheads, like oxbloods, freds, going to the city, hanging out at the White House and Greenpoint, little sketchy, YDL lived there.

Starting point is 00:12:25 You know, one of the guys, T, who's just an amazing guy, he, you know, he rodee for agnostic front in 1986, went to L.A., they played out there,

Starting point is 00:12:35 like the biggest show, stayed out there and became like a suicidal. Right. Came back to the shore. And I remember, like, you have these core memories

Starting point is 00:12:43 enough. I'm going off on a tangent. I apologize. But these are like, these are the things that molded me. Like core memory of tea. Boots, braces, oxbloods, no shirt, walking with a cane. I'm just hanging out with a skateboard in the park and he's just hitting bees out of the sky with his cane. And these are just these scary dudes. Already have tattoos. You know what I mean? But these are like my core introductions. And I was very fortunate, you know, with the Jersey Shore having a pretty good scene, 55-minute train ride from New York City. City Gardens every touring band went there from De La Sol to the descendants to

Starting point is 00:13:18 I saw Danzig's first show there as Danzig So that is a note that I had Is that his first show at that venue Or first show ever as Danzig? I want to say it was his first show as Danzig Wow So we can read I think I've researched it before And I think it's true

Starting point is 00:13:32 It was Guar Danzig and Heathen's rage So this is post-Samehane What is he playing first album stuff Or is he playing Sam Han stuff too? Couldn't even tell you February of 88 I think he covered a few, I think he did cover a few misfit songs. Probably death comes ripping and who killed Maryland.

Starting point is 00:13:48 That's what that, those, those, I remember the covers and I remember it being packed. That's awesome. Yeah. I really like your very quick explanation of becoming straight edge.

Starting point is 00:14:00 In the book, you say, some kids around me were straight edge. I listened to youth that today can't close my eyes and then I was straight edge, basically. And here we are 35 years later. Yeah, I mean, that was it. You know, you know, I grew up with a stepfather who was a drinker, never really got a shit together,

Starting point is 00:14:17 you know, we've made our piece like later on and we're cool. You know, it was tough with him, you know, he was part of the reason I really stopped drinking. Plus, you know, hanging out with some bad dudes, like 12, 13, I was drinking, coming home, falling into stuff. And it just wasn't for me, you know what I mean? I met like a core group of straight edge kids and it just clicked. Like, you know, and it's been 87. And it's 38 years almost.

Starting point is 00:14:41 And I never once even thought about like, you know, breaking edge or whatever, you know. Like sometimes I do have this weird nightmare. And I swear, I feel like it's happened a couple times. Like, wait, did I drink then? And it's not true, but it's just, it's corny. But, you know. I mean, it's been your whole life at this point. Well, based on some of these, some of the stories in this book, it would make a lot more sense if you had been, you know.

Starting point is 00:15:07 Yeah. Some lose. Tell me about, so you, before floor punch, long before you're ever thinking about starting a band, you're Mark Porter, local mosher, mosher around town, you're floor punching in other ways. What's going on? What is moshing like? And it's up, because we hear a lot about, like, the evolution of the spin kick in real time, the evolution of the karate stuff in real time.

Starting point is 00:15:33 Is the floor punch a thing immediately as you're, getting into hardcore? It's so crazy that like, you know, I'm getting like goosebumps thinking about this because I'm having this memory. So we had a venue in a town called Rumson, New Jersey, very well-to-do town, like richer than rich, like top 10 richest towns in Jersey. There was a church there and in the basement, they had a little no stage. They would have local bands play. They would have, you know, normal kid stuff, but someone, I don't know who, was booking shows there. I can remember the first time I saw someone actually floor punch. Like, I saw slamming, like circle pitting. Yeah. Like straight up, like skipping, like, you know, like, I saw someone the first time ever floor punch and I was like,

Starting point is 00:16:26 holy shit. His name was Tom. And we literally called him the football skin because it looked like he was just hiking a football. You know, we didn't know what he was doing. Sure. Oh, okay. And so I believe the show was vision, ripping corpse, and a band called Right Track, which before that were called Avanelle Kids. I think he rolled down with Avanelle Kids. So shout out to Tom. His last name may come to me throughout this, but he was the first, I saw it real time. I wonder where he got it from. What inspires one? That I couldn't tell you, but I know for our scene, like, that was the first time we saw it. Unbelievable. And you, and you've immoralized it, you know? Yeah. Then fast forward.

Starting point is 00:17:07 like a year and a half later seeing breakdown and I remember just like surveying like my surroundings and all you saw was everyone like that you know that's all you saw like you didn't see anyone standing up it was just crazy wildfire dude spread like wildfire it did i had a question so you mentioned right in the beginning your aunt carroll yes kind of a catalyst for you she was living or had lived in the lower east side she was a bit of a punk herself yeah i was going to get to her too so yes my mother's sister, dyed black hair, black ribands, black leather jacket, black jeans, you know, engineer boots, living on the Lower East Side, like battled her demons. Like, you know, she had, you know, addiction issues, like, living there, you know. And but she hung out at

Starting point is 00:17:52 at CB's and, like, was friends with Costapo. Her name was Carol Rudin. Um, yeah, and so she played in a band. Like, I remember having a demo tape. It was just like a noise. She described is noise. They were called the Phantom. Now, I've never seen anything from them, but I remember they had a demo take. She gave it to me. But the first few records she gave me were definitely, I know one for a fact was Sex Pistols Who Killed Bambi. Maybe a Wipers LP. And definitely one of the Buzzcox LP, one of the LPs. Hands down, those are the first three. Maybe, you know what? I know another one, because I still have it. A proletare at seven inch. I mean I can't even tell you what proletariat sound like now

Starting point is 00:18:37 I remember it was two it was a two song single and I think I still have it wow yeah but she yeah she she was alternative and you know that was pretty much it though because she was you know she's probably like 16 years old and wanted nothing to do with me you know she's probably 28 I'm 12 13 so she was like here get out of here you know what I mean yeah so it wasn't like a like a long relationship you know obviously we were family and we'd see each other all the time. But that was like her introduction. She's like, go figure it out yourself. You know what I got you? Speaking of possibly still having that record, do you still have Greg Ginn's autograph?

Starting point is 00:19:11 I don't. And I looked. And I'll tell you, so this is too funny. Like my mom had this friend who was well to do, married, you know, very successful. So she was always like picking up projects. So one of her projects was music producer for salsa. So she had this guy named, I'll remember this. This is 30 years ago, 30 years ago. This is 40 years ago. Namede Kiko Menendez. She was producing this guy's records. So you guys are musicians. In the 40s on the west side, there was a music store called Manny's.

Starting point is 00:19:42 I don't know if it's still there today, but it was like a major like, almost like guitar center, but like family owned. Local. Local, huge, like, passing through. So I'm in there. She's getting like a mic for like a recording session. So she's in there for a music, you know, getting this. like a mic for a session. And she's like, oh, Mark, there's a band over there.

Starting point is 00:20:05 You should go see who they are. And I was like, okay, I mean, I didn't know. I'm probably like, I don't even know, somewhere between the age of 12 and 14. I mean, it probably was 1986, so I was 13. And I found out it's black flag. He writes, little piece of paper, Greg Ginn, gone, and the black flag bars.

Starting point is 00:20:23 So I proceed to go to Tower Records, and the first cassette I buy is loose nut. Yeah. I had to hear black flag, you know. Sure. So that like timeframes a little I'm not sure where that fits in my musical journey But it's definitely very early on

Starting point is 00:20:37 What'd you think of Luce Nutt? What'd you think of Black Flag? I mean obviously I liked other records later as I As I discovered more like damage and stuff like that But Lus Nutsch cool I mean like I still know all the songs Because it's the first tape I had of theirs you know what I mean There we go yeah Yeah in our 80s bracket Best 80s hardcore band ever

Starting point is 00:20:55 Warzone beat Black Flag How do you feel about that? That's bananas I mean but even though is Black Flag it's like punk hardcore, right? Yeah, but it is. It is. It's like whole genre defining

Starting point is 00:21:09 though, you know? Yes. And it is, you know, it's not like punk like the Dead Kennedys is punk or like GBAH, but you know it is definitely punk. But you know, I wouldn't have Warzone beating them because, you know, I'm, I like war zone, but I'm really only like a seven inch and

Starting point is 00:21:24 don't forget the struggle kind of guy. Even open your eyes. I'm like whatever. You don't like that third one? with the fake drums? The bullet holes? Is that the one of the bullet one? No. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:35 The self-title. I don't think I can name one song. It's crazy. It's wild stuff. So straight edge is this ever-evolving concept since its inception. How I'm wondering how the concept of the edge break had to exist at some point. How did teenage porter react to friends breaking edge before floor punch? Because I know how you reacted post-floor punch.

Starting point is 00:21:56 My best friend, Steve, who a lot of the floor punch lyrics are about. Right. He got a Notre Dame X-Dept-Fiting Irish guy with 88 next to it. And the joke was Steve broke edge before the ink even dried. Okay, there it is. You know, so he was broken edge definitely by 91. So years later, you're like, I got to write about that. Yeah, because, you know.

Starting point is 00:22:20 He got to bust the ball. Steve is like, you know, yeah, I got to break balls. And he was in my best man at my wedding, still one of my best friends, you know. But it was weird for a little period of time. Like, he thought I would care. And, you know, friendship is friendship. You know what I mean? Like, I get it.

Starting point is 00:22:36 Like, if you have a relationship built on that and, like, you're in, like, a straight-edge crew, like, Salt Lake City or something, like, you know, whatever. It may be, you know, that's a little different. Like, if your friendship is based and, like, founded on being straight-edge. But to me, it was, like, a little strange for a while. But, you know, I definitely saw, you know, other than Brett. And, like, well, Zusa, I didn't meet later on. He was been straight-edged for a very long time.

Starting point is 00:23:00 time. Brett, it's been straight edge as long, if not longer than me, because I don't even know if he ever really drank, you know? But yeah, you know, after a while, you just get, like, you're so used to it. It doesn't even better. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like, the whole way, but, like, even like, guerrilla guys, you know what I mean, who, like, broke edge and, like, you think to yourself, all right, you're in late 30s, why you break edge now? You know what I mean like you made it this far like i was always like i went through college i played sports in college hung out with like jocks i made it through all that like the rest is just i was on the commodity floor like literally wolf of wall street shit going on all around me and i never broke edge like so

Starting point is 00:23:44 cigars all day yeah yeah cocaine sugar whatever you know like if i can make it through that like the rest of life is just a piece of cake you know 100% and a couple edge breaks can like rupture a local scene, you know? Sure. Yeah, because, yeah, generally, because you very rarely, as, as like a younger dude, a lot of times when you're breaking edge, it's not like you're moving on to, like, crust punk. Like, you're just, you're piecing out. You're out. You're out. You're becoming society, you know what I mean? Right. Because that's why most like young kids, you know, this is like, you know, before like designer drugs and like all this other stuff, you know, there's like cigarettes, weed and like booze, right? So, like, you try. You. You. Like, you try. You. You

Starting point is 00:24:28 drink, you break edge, then you're becoming society. Like straight edge was like the counterculture. You know what I mean? Like not many, you know what I mean? Like youth crew was on the up and coming and they were the counterculture. You know, people looked at those guys like your straight edge, why? Like, you know, like, you know what I mean? So.

Starting point is 00:24:44 Yeah. 100%. And, you know, people argue with us a lot about like drugs being a counterculture. And I think they're a counterculture if you have no culture. Otherwise, they're just culture. Why I would argue that is because name, is there one football player on USC that's straight edge? There's plenty of people who probably don't drink or do drugs. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:09 Right. I'm not letting you call yourself straight edge. Just because, yeah, I agreed. You know what I mean? There's a counterculture. To me, it has to be tied into the music. You know what I mean? That's like, you know, I'm sure we've all had friends.

Starting point is 00:25:22 We all, look at me. I'm not drinking tonight at a party. I'm straight edge this weekend, bro. Straight edge. I'm just like, bro, shut up. You're corny. You know what I mean? But we've all experienced that, you know. So to me, it ties in with the music and the counterculture and, you know, that sort of stuff. Bo and I never got to go to CBGBs. Can you tell us about your first experience there, your favorite experiences there? And are you already kind of putting it up on a pedestal as a teenager? CBGBs as a teenager for me. I know my first show there was a Rest in Pieces show. I saw a Rest in a piece of show. I saw a rest of in pieces there a few times. I saw like the five Golden Ring show that's on CVs, you know, me and you scumbag band when they open up with that. Yeah. I was there, but that was later on. That was like 89. I saw them before that. I think with raw deal, it could be wrong. Like,

Starting point is 00:26:09 like I said, Brett's a historian. My brain is shot. You're doing great. But um, just the whole, first of all, not telling my mother that I'm going there, right? Because who's letting a 15-year-old sneak into the Lower East Side? This is when Cracked was like running rampant in New York City, You know, 400 murders a year. You know what I mean? This is the age of quarrel lower East side. Yeah. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:26:31 Yeah. Like literally absolution, like crackheads everywhere, empty vial, carpet the ground kind of stuff. And so it was more than just the show. It was taking the train. Yeah. Riding up there, like meeting other hardcore kids on the train, you know, see bomber jackets.

Starting point is 00:26:46 You see champion hoodies, you know. And you know, like, you're part of this, like, drive that's going to this thing. And you're walking from now. Street path, which is like probably a mile walk to CB's. It's an adventure. You get there. And I remember, I've always had a staring problem. Got it from my mom. I just like this. I'm always like in tune, but I stare. My boy Tom Yak, who's like a big tattoo artist, is like, listen, my nickname was always X. That's why floor punch, Mark X. Mark X. But it was never Mark X. It was just X. Yo X, yo X.

Starting point is 00:27:20 So he's like X. There are some dangerous cats here. do not stare at them because A, they just love to fuck kids up from Jersey. So don't stare. And I, you know, and I remember that. And I remember just they're like, look at your, look at your feet. Now, I'm with metalheads too. And they're straight up going like this. Like we're walking from the path.

Starting point is 00:27:39 They're going like this, fucking their ponytails under their hat to go to CB's, you know, because metal heads were a target. You know what I mean? 100%. Oh. That was the dudes I rolled with. And, you know, it was just fucking awesome. Being in there, dark.

Starting point is 00:27:52 scary perfect stage the floor itself was disgusting nails not properly like leveled ripping hazards everywhere like sure you had a little crow's nest on the either side but the sound man it was so it was just black and the stage had the lights and the sound was so good like people say that but it was so rich and like i mean dude live at cb's sounds perfect yeah and it It's impossibly good. Yep. Like, not tinny, like full. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:28:27 Like, I think Tommy Victor from Prong was the sound guy. Oh, shit. It was just freaking awesome. You know what I mean? Can you tell me the coolest show you went to at Ceebies? Because I know one that I think I think you were at. Were you at the Killing Time last show? No, I wasn't.

Starting point is 00:28:42 I was at that, I was at that burn show that just with where the shock is wearing the Powell jacket. I was at, I think that was super touch burn and demise, but I could be wrong. But I was not at the last killing time show. I had seen raw deal there. Were you at the straight ahead reunion? It was not. Zeus, I was, Brett was.

Starting point is 00:29:00 Like, I'm a poser, bro. I mean, what can I do? All my, you know, those dudes hung out with older kids that drove. Yeah, you didn't live there. You know, what can you do? And even, like, getting to the train station wasn't easy. Like, I had to get a ride there. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:29:12 Right. Yeah, and, like, Brett had some older friends that he could hop in their car with and go, you know? And the reason, like, my father lived in a town where I knew these metal. head's like when I stayed in my dad's on those weekends, it was easy to hook up with them and hopping with their car. But if I wasn't there, I was like on an island. But yeah, I, you know, I remember the I spy show, the Hawker show happening, wanting to go and I couldn't go for some reason. Another core memory, when Killing Time played at the shore with social decay, false justice, it was like a banner show where Brett Beach had made a banner like about in effect selling out.

Starting point is 00:29:48 And they kind of wanted to beat Brett Beach up, killing time. So like there was some schism, But my mom, we had gone skiing in Killington. And she was like, I promise you you'll be home for this show on Sunday. And then my fucking stuff, I was like, oh, let's go antiquing on the way home. I remember just sitting in the back of the car? This is my kids and know, like my heart was burning because they didn't even buy anything. And I missed the show. It was like an epic Jersey Shore show, 1990.

Starting point is 00:30:13 Yeah. All to go antiquing? Yeah, in Vermont. That sucks, man. It does suck. But these things are important when you're a kid. 100%. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:30:22 I was probably 16 or 17. You never forgotten. No, but killing time last show I was not at. I had seen Raw Deal at CB stink twice. So I would say probably one of the raw deals. Maybe like the Raw Deal's sick of it all show. I have to see the Flyers. When I see the Flyers, like, oh, I was in.

Starting point is 00:30:38 Was it similar in reaction where it's like every New York Harker person in existence is there and on stage and moshing and diving and singing? Yes. Yeah. Like you had Lou and Pete on stage. moshing, you know, you had the sobs, the minuses, you know, Kev-Wans, Gavin's, like, the heavy hitters, you know what I mean? Yeah, it really was like that burn show is really like in killing time.

Starting point is 00:31:08 That encompasses really what, but that's a little later on, you know what I mean? Like it was a little different, like 87, I wasn't there, 87, like 88, early, 89, you know, 90, like the scene was kind of wild in New York at that point. You know what I mean? Cs have been shut down and reopened. you know what I mean because of violence and stuff. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I mean, I saw Byrne there a couple times.

Starting point is 00:31:27 That Byrne show where he's wearing that Powell gas jacket. That was crazy, crazy. Supposedly, Shaka was the first one to throw the spin kick. Speaking of. First or second, right? First or second, yeah, that's what we've heard in our extensive research. Okay, so there's someone who's still around. His name was Lou Hawk.

Starting point is 00:31:47 Lou Hawk sang for Curbjaw, a Jersey band, that Bill Punch was in before. And Lou Hawk, we just had a Mohawk. You know, that's what he got his nickname. But then he became, but he was like a trained martial arts guy, Kung Fu Lu. He was the first one I saw doing spin kicks. Here we go.

Starting point is 00:32:05 And he would wear three, three-eye steel toe docks. Okay. And he would just dive and just smash his feet on people's heads and be doing spin kicks. Yeah, he was. So we got a third name in the, in the first spin kick. We got sob, chaka, Lou Hawk. Lou Hawk for sure. I mean, any of my jersey heads would back me up on that.

Starting point is 00:32:25 Okay. All right. It is entered. What I wanted to ask about was you mentioned going from, you know, coat and like safety pin earring punk kid into what you're, you know, very well known for being kind of sportswear, college football stuff. The Eagles start a jacket, you know, whatever. while this all of this New York

Starting point is 00:32:51 while the scene is very much not that especially as like like the Youth Today thing and the youth through thing right before

Starting point is 00:32:59 you guys was already very clean cut but then floor punch and eventually you and your personal look just looking

Starting point is 00:33:06 through the book got even more refined it looks like and I'm just curious about how that developed with you like how that

Starting point is 00:33:13 started with you did sports and everything do that or was it coinciding with the scene that was happening at the time? Or how did you get to where you eventually got? Well, like, bold disclosure. Like, I was like a skater, like bodyboarder, like punk kid.

Starting point is 00:33:30 When I went to high school, freshman mom, my mom was like, listen, you're playing a sport. So I played football. I was pretty good at it, you know? And that's where, like, I didn't become a jock. Like, you know, I was playing sports and I, like, my aesthetic might have changed, but I was always, like, still wearing, like, bold shirts to school and stuff, you know? but that was like that transition from that like the safety pin in the ear it's true like I definitely poked it through and shaved my head with like my mom like a mohawk my mom's leg

Starting point is 00:33:52 razor you know what I mean tear you tear drop you know trench from there not even bro just wrong go you know I'm your venus yeah exactly but that is that is true but like you know just you know I wanted to just hang out to beach every day my mom's like no what you're playing a sport like I played like rec soccer and baseball like I played sports but football's a little more than that, you know, because it takes more time consuming. If you want to play, you got to work out and do all that shit. So, you know, I never stopped bodyboard. And they used to make fun of me.

Starting point is 00:34:22 I would go to, like, work out in the summer in camp. And I'd be showing up with just like a pair of vans covered in sand like summer from being at the beach old day. Because it wasn't like my love, you know what I mean? But it was just something to do. And I made friends through that and, you know, but like, the aesthetic, like, you're right. Because think about the cover of the seven inch, like the nerve to wear that to, like the nerve.

Starting point is 00:34:44 It's crazy. Wear that to CVGV. You know, the nerds. But it's awesome, dude. It's like, it's still happening to this day. Yeah, right. You know, I equate that to in like a different way. You know the mental dump truck video from POSY Numbers?

Starting point is 00:34:58 Yeah. You know, JR Get Real is wearing like a white track suit and like his hats like this. That's the same thing is what I was doing. But like, peacocking. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:10 Yeah. But I'm sure. You're athletically peacocking. It was. And, you know, it's silly, but, you know, it's, well. I think I did it, you know, consciously. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:35:19 Like, this is what we're about, like clean cold. But it's also you. It's you and it's still you. Yeah. Exactly this. It was conscious, but it was authentic. Well, it's also, it's refreshing to hear you say that and that it was conscious because when we talked to Dwit, I asked him the same thing because he was kind of well known

Starting point is 00:35:35 for always changing his style and doing his shit. And he was just like, yeah, I don't know. Just kind of did whatever. And that's just such a frustrating answer, you know, as someone who's always wondered. So I'm glad to hear that because part of it, I'm sure, was kind of like a fuck you, I'm doing this. Like we're all doing this because this is what our crew is doing, you know. Yeah. And, you know, like at the time, like Brett said in the book, you know, you had bands like Hoover and Lincoln and like split lip and like lifetime.

Starting point is 00:36:02 Any other presidents? Yeah. Like they were all covered. And, you know, it was like Dickie's pants and like, you know, like small t-shirts and like whatever. Like, but, you know, when Brett, I kind of got sidetracked, but you guys will like this story. Another, like, important band from the shore from like the late 80s and the early 90s was a band called Human Remains, right? So very technical, but like from, cut from ripping corpses cloth, you know, because not intermingling members, but all good friends. Two of the most underrated death metal bands of all time.

Starting point is 00:36:35 I mean, listen, ripping corpses, the song, corpse attacks. is easily one of my favorite mosh parts of all time. And it's written in 1986. I know. Wow. Their dead body's number one influence. As they should be.

Starting point is 00:36:50 Yeah. You know, I mean, they have real mouch parts. Real mosh parts. Not metal mosh parts. Right. Like, as hard as he did. Built for spin kicking, straight up. Much like suffocation, dying fetus.

Starting point is 00:37:03 It's the same, same vibe. And it was 86, 87, 88. Right? I think death warmed over might have been 86, 87. like for yeah so i was away at college for a year and a half i come home and i i think brett was like oh resurrection's playing who i wasn't even that familiar with like there's a show at ruckers do you want to go he's like who's playing it's like resurrection he's like human remains i was

Starting point is 00:37:28 like oh fuck yeah i want to go so resurrection plays i'm chilling human remains plays no one's moshing like people are just standing there now they have a song i think i might be wrote it's called like ROTE one of the bass like Dund Dund Dund Dund Dund Dund Dund Dund Dund I'm sorry if I'm humming this But no you're And it just breaks out into the craziest And I was just like

Starting point is 00:37:51 Wham like a fucking train to cross Open that shit up Ran over a girl like this girl Colette Who was like leader of like chicks up front movement You know what I mean And this dude came up to me He literally patted me on the back He was like I didn't even know who he was

Starting point is 00:38:05 But I found out later his name I forget now But he was like yo thank you so much I've been waiting for someone to do that. They weren't moshing. People were like sitting. Just mosh for human remains. Or anything. No one was washing.

Starting point is 00:38:17 People were like sitting on the floor. It was like, you know, it's crazy. Not me, though. Bull and the China shop. Damn right. Floor punch. So by 1995. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:29 Hardcore has not even been around that long. Like when you really think about it in the full concept of time. Less time from 95 to now. To now. It's insane. Yeah. And it's changed, but it's changing so quickly. And by 95, it looks so different from when you found it.

Starting point is 00:38:47 You know, you mentioned vegan stews at every show. No moshing rules. There's garbage metalcore everywhere you look. There's rules being put in place left and right. And when you say it like that, it's like, it's all so cyclical. Yeah, like, if you're serving vegan stew, like, to feed the homeless, God bless, you know. 100%. But if you're just like serving stew and just advertising it,

Starting point is 00:39:10 is vegan just to say you're vegan. And like, your zine explicitly says printed with soy ink. Like, that's where we were at. You know what I mean? Like, that's what was going on. Sure. And you had bands like, you know, like bloodlet, you know, the donuts. Like, you know, in hindsight, what did you say in the book? It was the trifecta of garbage. Yeah. I mean, in hindsight, Snapcase, those dudes, like, they can kind of rock a little. Like, I see what they're doing now. But 1995, 22 year old me, it was like, no fucking way. No thank you.

Starting point is 00:39:42 Like, blinders, I want to hear breakdown and judge. And why isn't every band sound like that? Yeah. You know what I mean? So what's the solution, Porter? And 1995, what is the solution for that? The solution is to go to a show

Starting point is 00:39:55 where there's some really bad bands playing, but you have Ignite playing. And Ignite for a hot minute, had some tracks. You know what I mean? It was like, you know, that's SoCal, like UC unity vibe and going up front.

Starting point is 00:40:08 hanging along and be like, yo, that was cool. It really, this is how it happened. Like, I want to start a band. We're going to call it floor punch. Zeus, I was like, within an ear shot. I was like, I'll play. I had known Mike and Mark

Starting point is 00:40:22 from the town that my dad lived in since probably like 88, 89, when they were real young. They were like a couple years younger than me, like skate rats. And I knew they were in a band called Spirit, which was curb jaw prior to that. And, you know, Mark was an endeavor. So I knew he could play.

Starting point is 00:40:37 and they were like, everyone was like basically in an earshot. And like, oh, we need another guitar player. It's like, oh, yeah, you know, we got Bill or this. And like, and that was it. We were practicing two months later. And it's because you were all so miserable at this snapcase bloodlet donuts show. Yeah, I think that was like the tide that like turned, it broke us. I love what a focus there is on this show in the book.

Starting point is 00:41:01 Yeah. Just everybody separately being like, fuck, this sucked. We're a floor punch now. We have to make a band. It's so awesome. That's how it was. That's really, that show is the catalyst. It's unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:41:13 And the name Floor Punch. Let's break this down for a second. It's such a miracle that it works because it's a mosh move. And at the end of the day, it's not all that different than calling a band spin kick. I was just going to say that, yeah. Or circle pit. Or circle pit. By the grace of God, by the grace of being a cool word, the band being awesome, and you guys being cool, it somehow passes.

Starting point is 00:41:36 So that was 100%. percent just you saying it's called floor punch guys yeah and we're going to play the kind of music we like and if no one likes it we don't care like you know well i cared because i wanted people to mosh but you know that was that was that was like that was like you know the mission statement of the band and that's that was floor punch one word one word how how pissed off would you get i'm looking at all the flyers in the book where it's two words poor punch dude that that shit drives me crazy easy. It's stylized how it's meant to be. Harms no-apostrophe

Starting point is 00:42:11 way, right? I'll lose my fucking mind. No apostrophe. If you look at our 90s hardcore bracket episode, which had people up in arms for weeks now, they're still talking about it. Good episode, by the way. Hey. Thank you. Thanks, man. There isn't a band on there that sounds like floor punch

Starting point is 00:42:29 other than floor punch. And I think that alone is proof of what a breath of fresh air floor punch must have man was and is, did you take issue with anything on our 90s bracket? No. Tell us how good we did. No, I mean, I had no problem getting, we got knocked up by Madball, right? I mean, you can.

Starting point is 00:42:49 And who would argue that? I mean, Madball. I figured you'd be okay. I figured if you didn't, you'd be like, what are you doing, guys? First time I saw Freddie was at City Garden singing for Agnostic Front in 1988, you know. was one of my first might have been my actually my

Starting point is 00:43:04 one of my first shows in City Gardens maybe second or third show and it's just yeah that's the guy yeah I mean yeah I mean think about the lineage

Starting point is 00:43:13 there you know what I mean it's like yeah yeah literally getting literally getting handed the keys to the Cadillac like don't focus out exactly

Starting point is 00:43:19 well speaking of was 10 year fight on our bracket I believe they're on that bracket they were yeah that's the only other one so that's what I was gonna say even remotely close

Starting point is 00:43:28 now I was shy to find out. I thought floor punch predated tenure fight by a bit for some reason in my mind. And I was shocked to find out that it was really similar, really close right around the same time. How do you explain this zeitgeist of similar mindsets happening in scenes away at the same time? Well, I got a shout out mouthpiece. Because they never stopped doing this. You know, albeit different from floor punch. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:59 But, you know, we were judged they were instead, which is all cut from the same cloth. So, you know what I mean? But it's a different part of the shirt, you know? Yeah, exactly, exactly. But they were doing it the whole time. Like, they never compromised. You know, even like their later stuff, when it got a little more melodic, it was still hardcore. But you also had in the background, people seem to forget, you had Cornerstone.

Starting point is 00:44:19 Mm. You know, that was 94 and maybe even late 93. You know, they, going to see Cornerstone shows were a lot of fun. You know, they were good. They played great hardcore. And I think fast break might predate floor punch. Am I right? I think so.

Starting point is 00:44:33 I think they do. I'm sure they do. It just sounds like everybody had had it at the same time. Yeah. And a revolution came. It did happen very quick because you had the Pennsylvania bands. You had Rancor. Right.

Starting point is 00:44:47 Right. You had hands tied come shortly like maybe 97, 98. Mouthpiece, Cornerstone, Fast Break. You had smaller bands. The Uprising from Jersey, not the Uprice from Delaware, who were the skinheads. Who else? Who else do we have?

Starting point is 00:45:03 There's more. I'm just drawing a blank. There were the Boston bands in my eyes. Oh, yeah. In my eyes, a little later. That was 98. In my eyes came in, you know, Pete, energetic frontman. You know, they had like an all-star lineup, Popolardo, Damien.

Starting point is 00:45:16 Those dudes are great, you know. And, you know, you know, as being in bands, like, it's competitive, right? In, like, usually the healthiest way and sometimes not. Yes. So this was healthy because we were all helping each other. Yeah. But, you know, in my eyes got big, really quick. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:45:34 And it was good. You know, I, but it was competitive. You know what I mean? But similar situation to you where it was like this dude who's been around forever's first band. You know? Yep. So let's make it really good for him. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:46 I mean, their first record was good record. You know, their demo was good, you know, good, uh, good, uh, good, uh, good, uh, I was cool. Yeah. So a week after the first floor punch practice. clear changes and the intro are all done. Yeah, it was fast. I'm pretty sure I wrote all the demo's lyrics in like one night.

Starting point is 00:46:11 I was living in my mom's house still before I moved to New York and just listening to the breakdown demo and judge seven inch or judge in NYU over and over. Just as you can tell, you know. Yeah, sure. It shows. I mean, it shows in that like you're the guy for a reason. It is your first time writing lyrics. It's your first time writing patterns, doing anything vocally at all. And you define the next 30 years of your identity as an artist in one night.

Starting point is 00:46:37 That better be the loosest interpretation. I always tell people, I'm no art. Believe me, I'm no artist. I'm no artist. You are, dude, whether you like it or not, this is art. I got a book about you. All my friends have a book about you. Yes, it's true.

Starting point is 00:46:51 That's true. It's art. So you did, in a week, you said earlier, the floor punch mission statement, is immediately defined musically as well. How do you as a fan of the genre, a non-musician, singing for the first time, react to just hearing these songs? Who's always involved with the writing process?

Starting point is 00:47:11 Because I knew what I liked. Not writing, but listening and being like, let's do this, slow this down, speed this up. Yeah, I mean, they had some, yeah, you know, I knew what I liked. You know, and there's floor punch songs that I'm not crazy about. And they made it through the cracks

Starting point is 00:47:23 and they're on the records, but, you know, we didn't play them live too much. But, yeah, Yeah, I mean, hearing the intro, as you know, obviously I lifted my bust from the maximum penalty demo, right? Then he says that same bust, right? Printed it in the lyric sheet. I love that. Yeah, the demo, that MP demo is amazing, you know?

Starting point is 00:47:44 And, you know, the release intro, this 4 Punch release intro, I'm sure you guys as guitar players, like, those are very similar. And like, just if you rearrange them, it's like, it's kind of like Panty Raid. Like, let it ride is Panty Ray play backwards, I'm told. That's how you do it, man. You know what I mean? So, yeah. Yeah, so I was psyched, you know, changes to me is, you know, changes, no exceptions. Not for me.

Starting point is 00:48:14 Not for me. Those are my three favorites. But changes is just that baseline. Like, Zev always had the best bass tone. I mean, I remember we played a show with Sick of All or someone. and literally Zeb gets a call at his house about Craig asking Zeb about his base on.

Starting point is 00:48:31 Whoa. Whose story? I'm not lying. Zedb was like, you ever heard the straight-ahed LP? Obviously, he has. You know, he's like, that's what I'm going for.

Starting point is 00:48:40 You know what I mean? Yeah. So I was obviously going to ask you your preferred tracks. I'm very happy to hear you say, no exceptions. I prefer the second recording of it because the drum fills

Starting point is 00:48:52 are a little cooler, but the sample is on the first one. and the samth like there was a period of time in the harm's way van where if that came on everyone had to like we all moshed in the band like it was like no matter what you know and i have such fondness connected to that that song in particular and being 18 and on tour for the first time so i'm very happy to hear you say that that that's meaningful i mean that the bass sounds so good right after that sample it just works like and you know it was kind of like when Blood for Blood would play paper gangster, like all the hardest dudes would come out in Mosh, because they had to prove they weren't paper gangsters. But kind of like no exceptions did that

Starting point is 00:49:35 for people who didn't like Floor Punch. They made an exception. Yeah, they made an exception for Floor Punch with that song, you know, because it was a little harder, you know. But yeah, I mean, that changes. Yeah, and no exceptions. And you talk about bass.

Starting point is 00:49:50 You talk about track, real track one on the record, base thing opening it up, that's breakdown demo. You're immediately putting it on your sleeve of like, guys, this is exactly what we're doing. And people immediately connect with it before the demo is even out. Yeah. When you play your first show, young people are getting together. They're showing up.

Starting point is 00:50:13 They got the shirts on already. Do you have shirts at the first show? I don't think first show, but definitely like second and third. The blue and white. The blue and white. Myself and Dan Hornacker printed them. at the Equal Vision Warehouse in Manhattan before they moved upstate.

Starting point is 00:50:29 Before you were on Equal Vision too. Before you were on Equal Vision. You know what I mean? And Dan and I printed them. And then we did the red ones shortly thereafter, the red and black. And, you know, that, you know, youth crew,

Starting point is 00:50:42 aesthetic, merch is important. You know, we definitely, I wanted to rip the Raw Deal No More Game shirt with the NY, raw deal, NJ, Floor Punch. And, you know, the box logo in the back, strip, floor punch, Jersey straight edge.

Starting point is 00:50:55 You know, I want, that was all part of our mission statement, you know. There was that buzz. First show, it was packed. I couldn't believe it. You know what I mean? That was the first time I ever sang other than like in a practice space, you know?

Starting point is 00:51:07 Mm-hmm. And- No music out to the public. Nothing. Covers. I think we play. So I was just going to say, you did.

Starting point is 00:51:15 I want, I want a PSA. I think every band for as long as they're opening need to play a cover or two. Do a cover to a little. one, maybe even four. Like, what are you doing? Just do it. It will only ever help, ever. It'll never hurt, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, especially as like a newer band, right? As a new band. Yeah, that helps. I mean, that's like you said, like a PSA. Like, if you're an up-and-coming band, like play a cover that someone, everyone wants to hear, and they're going to check you out just because

Starting point is 00:51:44 they're going to be in there hearing their favorite song. It's also just a declaration of, hey, this is, here's what we like. This is us. Yeah. Yeah. Here's this shirt I got on from this band I love. And here's this song we're going to play. Here's what was it was. You to today. Thinking straight. Right. Zone. Yeah. Think it straight as one. And what was the third one? Safe in a crowd. Safe in a crowd. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The signs. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The only picture that John didn't put in the book, which is, you know, I think I thought I might have showed you. It's a picture of one of the cue cards with, you know, you know, an insensitive slang on it. But, you know, it was tongue and cheek and, you know, it was there, like to say, like, here, like, this is the chorus of the song.

Starting point is 00:52:27 It's going to offend you. We don't give a fuck. You know, and that's what was going on. But, you know, the caveat that floor punch, like, doing well from the jump was there was a lot of haters from the jump, too. Yeah. Tumultuous. Yeah. Was that because of just what the, what the culture had become with the vegan stews and the no-moshing and whatnot?

Starting point is 00:52:45 I think it was, I think it was like the older heads being like, I've been there, done that, like, too cool for school kind of shit. You know what I mean? Because you're playing Capital Age hardcore in there. And like every Capital Age hardcore band, if they make a second record, it's barely a hardcore record. Yeah. And, you know, this is the time dudes are like swing dancing. You know what I mean? That was like a big deal.

Starting point is 00:53:05 You know, and like hardcore was weird. And, you know, it's said in the last two book event. Like I did just read another book signing. Not book signing. Wrong term. Like a book event. Record release. A book record release.

Starting point is 00:53:17 Yeah. Yeah. There you go. There was no signing. And, you know, I've come to grips that, like, you know, like, with Earth crisis and us, like, we, we fucked up. We were all in the same team. And we should have played shows together because it would have been bananas. I mean, they were bigger than us.

Starting point is 00:53:33 Well, you did. Yeah, we did. Yeah, exactly. But it should have been a universal straight edge. Like, in hindsight, we were all on the same team. You know what I mean? Wow. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:44 So what, you said it first, so I'm just going to ask, do you, how soon, or how recently did you hear the term are you floor punch straight edge or earth crisis straight edge? Like how immediately divisive divisive was that? I didn't hear that term to later on. Okay.

Starting point is 00:54:02 Like the Richmond dude that say it. Like, you know, Thomas from Richmond is like, oh, Thomas was Earth Crisis Straight Edge and like Jay Rollins, his floorpunch straight edge. And like, that's when I really first heard the term like later on. But it was truth to that. You know, because like you had like the baggy jeans

Starting point is 00:54:19 had been blonde hair, short reds, you know, big t-shirt scene. That was like the Earth-Christ- and you could tell who was who. Sure. And you would mix more, I feel like more of them coming to us than our guys going to them.

Starting point is 00:54:33 We're little older, you know what I mean? Like, we liked what we liked. You know what I mean? You know, the whole throwing yogurt at Earth Crisis thing, you know, that wasn't us. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not saying, like,

Starting point is 00:54:45 it's an horrible thing. It was the thing that happened. It was funny. but you know it was Sean McCabe was like the leader of that rest in peace you know what I mean good dude singer of crud singer

Starting point is 00:54:55 you know Ink and dagger you know good dude funny as hell and you know that's kind of like popped it off on floor punch dudes are throwing yogurt

Starting point is 00:55:03 earth crisis you know we were there and laughing I didn't have any yogurt on my hands but meanwhile Pat your buddy Pat is wearing the fur coat

Starting point is 00:55:12 while Sean's doing this so it's like is there some great conspiracy happening or these are these separate minds who just happened to do these things at the same time?

Starting point is 00:55:22 Pat was vegan and it was a fake fur coat. Oh, he was vegan. Oh, yeah. But did Carl really say, get him? Yes. From stage? Yeah, and he got, you know,

Starting point is 00:55:34 it was another one of those things like he got jump, but nothing happened, you know what I mean? Right. But, you know, that's kind of... Wiggled out like Bugs Bunny. Let's talk about this. Let's break it down.

Starting point is 00:55:41 Now that we're talking to Earth Crisis, you know, let's break it down. Can you tell me, break it down, The, what's been referred to my whole life as the Earth Crisis floor punch yogurt incident. We've now come to learn as more the Earth Crisis Inc and Dagger yogurt incident. But if you could break down this incident from your perspective, I think it would be great. I don't know what led.

Starting point is 00:56:07 Well, you know what? It's funny because I'll give Earth's crisis this. They were catching a lot of slack way more than we were. You know what I mean? Because they really wore that shit on their sleeves. You know what I mean? Like, they did. And they preached it.

Starting point is 00:56:19 And they, so I remember, I wasn't really familiar with Earth Crisis, but I remember our first show was with Earth Crisis. Human remains, bug out society, ensign. Bugout society bought like two dozen white castles to throw an Earth crisis before they even played on. You know what I mean? Your first show. For our first show. So it's just this just constantly happened to them. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:44 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know. For saying we don't eat animals. I don't remember it happening, but I remember hearing that it was going to happen. And I definitely didn't watch Earth Crisis. I might have in the back playing soccer or something.

Starting point is 00:56:55 I don't know. But yeah, so, you know, I don't know what brought the Philly guys. Like if they had an actual beef to do it or just like, hey, like, Sean was that kind of guy. He was a funny, like, energetic character. You know what I mean? But what led up to him doing that? I'm not quite sure. Okay.

Starting point is 00:57:12 You know. And I mean, it got pinned on you for 20 years. Yeah, and it wasn't us. You know, no one in the band, you know, other dudes were unplugging their equipment. But I think just kind of when, like, everyone kind of puffed their chest out a little when Pat got jumped and they just, we were like in the mix of that. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. And then Carl's saying, hey, if you try to fight me, I'll stab you to people allegedly.

Starting point is 00:57:33 Pretty cool. That is cool. I don't remember that. But yeah. But I see, so that Stickman from Fury 5 was also there and backed Earth Crisis, which if I'm you, I'm like, five. Doc, Devo just showed up and ended this, you know? McMahon, OG, ass-beater. Straight enough.

Starting point is 00:57:53 Yeah. The king of ass beatings. I mean, I remember when he was, before he, you know, did some time in jail and came out, Jacked, like, when he was smaller, you know, because he's a few years older than me, but he was always around. He had another brother, he had a brother Gary as well that was involved in hardcore. You know, and I never, you know, the whole, like, you know, I'm not going to say there was like Fury 5 floor punch beef. because there wasn't. But, like, you know, there was, like, some noise by people that followed us and, like, friends of theirs.

Starting point is 00:58:21 But, you know, they practiced in the same studio, sometimes the same nights as us. You know what I mean? So, if Stickman wanted to come over and, like, you know, he had, you know, he had his chances. So it was never really like that. You know what I mean? Gotcha. I'd seen him in years past, you know, and, you know, we're both older dudes.

Starting point is 00:58:36 We've both been around. You know what I mean? You're both OG jerseys. Yeah. And I saw him do some cool shit when I was a kid. So I always knew what was. He invented. arguably the greatest

Starting point is 00:58:47 Mosh move of all time. Yeah. The stick man. And it's just his name. Yeah. I mean, I can remember him just at a club called the Fastlane just whoop an ass when I was a kid.

Starting point is 00:58:57 You know what I mean? Yeah, he was intimidating. Well, I had something about the second and possibly third or soon thereafter Christmas floor punch show. Hit me. Where you, it seems like you gave Tim Shaw

Starting point is 00:59:10 like an existential crisis about the meteoric growth of the band. Because you're immediately playing after them. And just, and destroying, you know. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:20 But we had did a weekend. You know, Ensign, you know, they were friends. And we were friends with guys in Ensign. And but Tim was like, he,

Starting point is 00:59:28 you know, having Rodeed for sick of it all and like, being friends with like New York guys. Like, he wanted to have this band like be like his way out. Not like maybe like

Starting point is 00:59:36 in life, but you know, he wanted this band to be his deal. Yeah. And none of us were going for that. You know, we were just like,

Starting point is 00:59:42 we're just trying to have fun. You know what I mean? So we did a weekend with them And I remember Tim and I had flipped a coin Like who headlines which day Yeah So we lost and we wound up headlining In Virginia Beach, smaller show

Starting point is 00:59:58 But then the next show was that You did Today Fest holding the candy cane Where basically every youth crew band played And it was packed And we played And it was fucking bananas Like I remember the Boston dudes were down Just I remember

Starting point is 01:00:13 P.A. PA, E. And walk from one PA to the other. Like, not even touching this, this kid, Ray, Lamont. That's the dream. Yeah, like Boston, dude. That's why we do it.

Starting point is 01:00:24 That's the end goal of head walking, right? Yeah, so then Hansen played after us, and it was like crickets. And I remember him, like, breaking an LP, like, why does no one like us? I mean, just like, oh, sorry. You know, we were friendly. We were obviously friends, but. Of course. I think you played more shows with Ensign than any other band.

Starting point is 01:00:41 It would be, yeah. For sure. Looking at the book, it's like every other flyer. Dude, it's like, it's like Ensign and saves the day. It's like the next one, which we'll get there. I have question. I'll put at your funeral on it. Like, my daughter will be in the car.

Starting point is 01:00:57 I'll be like, we used to play with these guys. They played before us. Yeah, they opened. Yeah, she didn't believe it, you know? That's like a real song, you know? Partness interruption, you know, damn well we hate to interrupt this unbelievable episode with one of the greatest straight-edge frontmen of all time. but what do we got today, Bo?

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Starting point is 01:07:00 the floor punch demo. With a dude named a Lopmomin, in his house, maybe in the garage or like downstairs, like a split-level house, and it got out one day. I think it was instruments one day, vocals the next,

Starting point is 01:07:13 but I remember correctly. Yeah, it was the first time. You know what? and it really freaked me out singing loud with no music. Like hearing myself yelled the lyrics with no like live, it fucked me up.

Starting point is 01:07:24 Like I didn't, I had never experienced that. Yeah. Right. Then you really know what you sound like. Yes. And you sound good. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:33 And when we play, I'm always a turn the vocals down and the monitor kind of guy. Yeah. You know, I'm low vocals. So your shit's gone by the end of the set. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:42 But I prefer that. And then when I was hearing myself yell, I was like, oh boy, and then it came out good, you know, I mean, it was cool.

Starting point is 01:07:50 Yeah. I can tell you, I know I speak for myself, I speak for a beau, I speak for every floor punch fan on earth, that intro change is clear as a one, two, three punch on a demo.

Starting point is 01:08:01 It's like, yeah, this is one of the greatest bands in history, obviously. And I think one of the most impressive things about the demo is how well structured it is. It's those three to get you ripping right off the bat.

Starting point is 01:08:13 You got a six second, palate cleanser. You got two more big all-time bangers. This song about your best friend who's still your best friend and was the best man to. Tolerate, right? Tolerate? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:24 Then gonna get yours. Big crucified closer, you know? And it's not lifelong musicians intentionally pacing a record. It's students of the game who love hardcore doing something similar to all the bands that they love

Starting point is 01:08:38 purely on instinct. Do you go back and revisit this demo and do you, are you impressed? with what you guys have done. I think I never listen. Ever, but I remember when there was a time. I mean, this is kind of weird, but like to say, like on a floor punch episode, but like

Starting point is 01:08:57 I almost kind of like World War Four songs a little more. Little more grimy, little more like breakdown, like demise, like Occupy territory style. You know what I mean? Yeah. And don't be wrong. And you're older, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:10 And the floor punch songs are great. The songs that I love, I love. But I rarely go back and visit. But when I did hear the demo, I was psyched. I was psyched to share it with people and watch the reaction because that's what, you know, that's when I kind of knew, playing it for a couple like, like Tim McMahon from Matthews, he's like, yo, dudes are going to like this. I guarantee it.

Starting point is 01:09:27 Like, don't worry about it. That was something that was brought up in the book. I don't remember if it was you who said it or someone else who says, like, it was a different time. You couldn't send a link and get a live feedback. You had to get someone there. And I do remember doing that in our early days, like playing it on the car stereo for sure. But I guess I didn't even think about the fact that you have to physically get someone somewhere and be like, listen to this for 15 minutes, please.

Starting point is 01:09:52 Yeah, like, you should page in like Jordan from No Warning Now because we did the same thing at a Boston show. I was like, yo, listen to this Napalm death. Listen to this Bolthrow. This is ripping corpse. Like the same, it was just like showing mosh parts. You know what I mean? And that's something like he'll tell you like, I remember it. And but yeah, that was like, there was no sharing. It was like, here, check this cassette out. But I need it back. So let's go listen to what in the car. You know what I mean? The master. There's only one copy, so you can't take it.

Starting point is 01:10:17 In the first promo for this demo, there's text on the top that says, do you remember hardcore what we do? This is seven years after the spirit of 88, the great resurgence, resurgence eight years later, basically. Hardcore is already something that in your mind needs to be revived, like the original intention and musical sound of hardcore. What was the immediate response to this demo? do you think that you achieved your goal to you

Starting point is 01:10:46 and that the audience looked at it as like finally something for us again? Yes, so there was that feeling of a breath of fresh air, right? The shows from the jump were packed, even like second show, third show, D.C., a Shaw McCabe 315 house where those dudes live. We played their house and it was packed, like in a living room, you know? Middle sex, you know, obviously we weren't to draw because like bigger bands played, but it was bananas when we played and everyone was up front.

Starting point is 01:11:14 You know, the buzz was there. The demos were flying, T-shirts flying. You know, even like later, when the 7-inch came out, flying, like you couldn't, you know,

Starting point is 01:11:24 going to show in D.C. with, I think that was, the D.C. might have been the first show we had demos at, and they just gone. Yes,

Starting point is 01:11:29 75 were printed, I think it said. And they were gone within an hour. Yep. Which in, you know, you know, in the days of like sound scans and everything else,

Starting point is 01:11:39 which is not small, but you're buying a cassette tape, which is like... But, dude, if I sold 75 shirts or 75 cassettes at a show today, I'd be like, yeah, we've crushed. Yeah, absolutely. Great night. Yeah. Did you get any flack for the lyrics to clear right away?

Starting point is 01:11:55 Yeah, oh, it's corny. You know, then you had, like, the dudes, like, oh, like, no sympathy for, like, any kind of actual addict. Like, I pray to God, you OD on that shit. You know what I mean? Like, that kind of stuff, you know, the only one that hurt, that hurt was when... When Pusshead, Brett sent Pusshead the demo.

Starting point is 01:12:13 And Pusshead is like, yo, this is great, but the lyrics are too much. He's like, what's this dude? He's like, what's this dude's problem? I was so sad, man, because I love septic death. And obviously, the artwork is just like, yeah. And he wanted, we actually, even after he said that,

Starting point is 01:12:26 I think Pussmore was going to put out one of our records. Really? Yeah, even with that in mind. 100%. Yeah, it wasn't like he heard the lyrics. Like, no, I don't want to do it. Dude, I think that is the best endorsement you could have gotten. That's like the Bill Cosby, Eddie,

Starting point is 01:12:40 Murphy thing? Yes. Where he's like, you can't say fuck, man. But it's like a parental advisory sticker from God. Yeah, it's the artwork. That's too extreme.

Starting point is 01:12:50 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, you guys are, yeah, that's crazy. That's awesome. That's the coolest possible thing. The letter in his handwriting, in the pusshead handwriting is very cool. Dude. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:00 Something you got to get the book to see, I guess. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that was that, that one hurt. I remember Brett, he's like, you're not going to like this. And I was like, oh, you know. Dude, but I would have taken that as the biggest bet. You should wear that as a badge of honor.

Starting point is 01:13:15 That should be on the back of a shirt. Too extreme for Pusshead. Yeah. Floor Punch logo. Welcome to Pussmore Records. That's right. The first time you guys played Philly, you showed up to a One Life crew show with gear and asked if you could play and Haprid didn't show up, therefore you did. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:34 Yeah, true. I don't have many memories of that show, but that is true. We weren't even on the bill. We just showed up with equipment. Hardcore. It was at the church. I don't remember anything about the show. But that being said, Philly was always great to us.

Starting point is 01:13:47 Good. Yeah. You're right there. Yeah. It's a hell of a load in, too, to take a gamble on. Yeah. We got our stuff. It's not easy.

Starting point is 01:13:55 Oh, you brought gear, huh? Yeah. Bring it on down. How often at this point are you regularly just playing local shows in New Jersey? I know the book. I mean, as being in a band, like, Floor Punch didn't play that many shows, right? I feel like. They're all in there.

Starting point is 01:14:10 Yeah, I mean, there's a bunch, but we were only a band from, right, the end of 95, basically to very early 99. So that's what? You can do that? I think it's less than four years, right? So, you know, because the final mosh was a few months after we got back and like six months back. Right. But we were trying to, like, hop on what we could, but we were picking and choosing, too. I remember we got asked to play a show with, like, baby gopawal and shelter.

Starting point is 01:14:34 And I remember we played it, and I was so mad. I was like, I want to play the show. We were like picking and choosing is what I'm saying. Yeah. I only really wanted the plague. Some bands have a mission, like, we want to play up, we want people to see us, we want to get big. That was never our deal.

Starting point is 01:14:47 You know what I mean? We just wanted to play with who we liked. You know, like, we liked Blood for Blood. We liked Death Red. We wanted to play with Blood for Blood and Death Red. We didn't care if they liked, you know, we know those guys liked us, like the band. But, you know, those are like the crowds we wanted to play for. You know, like, we wanted to play. Like those bands, I wanted to play with those bands.

Starting point is 01:15:07 You know, like, we were like kind of selective. But yeah, we were playing. If there was a youth crew revival genre show, we were always on it. And they were good. They were always good. Yeah. So in June 1st, 1996, you guys, 10-year fight playing Boston together was the first time that you played together. Did that feel like a thing or was it just a show?

Starting point is 01:15:30 Gathering of the tribe. Yeah. Was it a gathering or just a show? We became really good friends with all the Boston kids. But right that weekend was still kind of new. Like from like there was like 97, 98. We were up there every weekend hanging out. Uh-huh.

Starting point is 01:15:44 You know, hanging on Newberry Street, hanging with the dudes, like the Yankee sucks dudes. This is a little before Yankee sucks, but like all those kids were with like our crew that went on to do that. So, um, but yeah, not remember a girl, Lynn, Lynn for Bloods drummer's wife, Mike Mahoney, Lynn Mahoney booked that show. Okay. And, um, you didn't really have the, you knew like 10-year-old or five. was doing their thing and we were doing our thing and it was kind of like that okay it wasn't like a big like you know like not like that yule tide fest where like every band was on the bill and it was like you that was it you know what i mean is there a single floor punch show that comes to mind other than

Starting point is 01:16:23 the final mosh that sticks out as like the best show or the moment where you thought you guys had like truly achieved the goal of floor punch i would say the chatham show i think it's i'm not sure who else was on the bill probably mouthpiece and a few other bands, but there was probably 800 people there. Probably Enson. No, it was a big show. It might have been like,

Starting point is 01:16:45 by the grace of God show. Oh, yes. Yeah, right. Yeah. So that show, because there was 800 kids there and everyone watched this, and it was bananas.

Starting point is 01:16:54 You know, some shows, like the Princeton Arts Council was another venue, like in South of the Princeton University where, I'm sorry, the mic went out, and I just sang without a mic,

Starting point is 01:17:04 but the whole room was singing. Like, those are like those moments when you feel like, Holy cow. You know what I mean? Like you're literally minor threat in that moment. Yeah. Even like playing the Super Bowl in DC in like 98, I think it was when they had like the two stages like back to like, you know, war zone on this end.

Starting point is 01:17:20 We're on this end. And it's a huge show and just people like going off, you know. That sticks with you to this day. Yeah. Like, yeah. People were, you know, Chatham was probably one of our best shows for sure because it was just so crowded. and everyone was going nuts. You know, Philly shows are always good.

Starting point is 01:17:41 You know, the rat show, the rat show after rabies died. So that's what's on my list here to ask you about. I want to list off who played the show because it's so crazy. It was a madball, tenured fight, reached this guy, blood for blood, floor punch in my eyes, and all at war. Yes. Three days, I think, after rabies died? Yeah, we learned as one. well the band did, I knew the lyrics,

Starting point is 01:18:08 on the car ride up there. Like those dude just sat like guitar on knee in the back of the van. And that's why we opened up with it. And you opened up with it and someone describes it in the book. It's like from the first second, it was some of the craziest energy and vibe.

Starting point is 01:18:22 What do you remember from that show specifically? It's one of the craziest flyers I've actually ever seen. Yeah, I mean, packed the rat, like legendary CBGBs in Boston kind of venue. Right, Kenmore Square. Yeah. Amp, dark, perfect stage, small, you know, Boston, Steedy Town, like, heads there that you can fuck you up.

Starting point is 01:18:45 You know what I mean? Like, and, you know, we were a straight-age band, but, you know, even dudes, like, everyone was marching for that. And that, you know, that was like, you know, again, for a new band, using the cover, that got everyone, you know, and the set was just bananas. It was a great show. And rabies he just died. It was like somber, you know. And I just, you know, paying respect to like an OG. you know, that's all it was, you know?

Starting point is 01:19:07 We didn't think of, like, we didn't have any angle towards it. It's just what we wanted to do, you know what I mean? Of course. I mean, those spur of the moment covers, like, oh, let's do it. Let's just do it. Those are the, like, some of the best things that occur. I remember everyone I've ever done. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 01:19:21 Because pulling it off is like just as satisfying. I'm going on my gram now. I want to show you the one picture I have in my story from that show. Okay. A guy got beaten with a fan at that show. Yeah, a metal fan. A metal fan. industrial metal fan and he like walked out of there and um was like kind of stoked on what had happened to him

Starting point is 01:19:42 you know he's a big fan of what happened he's a huge metal fan okay i found the picture oh yeah they got him yeah he bloodied yeah they got him good yeah so that happened at the show that happened i think during madball maybe yeah and um sure you know all that war so heavy you know it was like reach the sky in a friend of the band great dude, always so hospitable and we were up there. It was just, that's a top two or three show for sure.

Starting point is 01:20:14 I'm glad I remembered, for sure. So speaking of rabies, something I always, I always try to ask the generations before me because I can never find a concise answer. Why construction gloves? What did it come? What was the purpose? Where did it come from?

Starting point is 01:20:35 And chains around their waists. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know why. They're using those chains that beat people up. That made sense to me. Construction gloves, I don't know. But I rocked that style for a while. Mine said X is on one, knuckle and shore on the other.

Starting point is 01:20:48 You know what I mean? I know Roger did. I know Ray did. Obviously, I've seen Mike Judge did, you know. There was just blue collar boys who were at work one day and they were like, this is sick. I got to do something with it. I've heard that it was so that, like,

Starting point is 01:21:03 you didn't have to go to work with an X on your hand the next day if you worked at a place that maybe that wouldn't work. You know, I've heard it was for, so your knuckles wouldn't get as bloody if you were using them. You know, and I just, I would love the, everything else we have an answer to. This is the one mystery. I think they just look sick. Yeah, it doesn't have to be more. It looks great.

Starting point is 01:21:24 There has, I mean, I rocked in for a while, I mean, too. But I remember, honestly, so funny. Like, some of like the younger dudes would show up to floorpatchel. We were wearing, like, gardening gloves. Like, you know, like cotton, like, naked. baby blue wrist, white, like surgical gardening gloves. Like, now that's not the look. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:43 Make do with what you have. Sometimes you got to put on the dishwashing glove and head to the show. But when you talk about like construction gloves and chains, another core memory, being at an early show at CVs and seeing Jorge for Marauder out front was like mid-caf jean shorts and his belt was just an extension cord. See, core memory. I remember seeing this dude with a cat. tassel tattoo and his belt was an extension cord.

Starting point is 01:22:10 Like, is this pre-master killer? Like, see this lamp here? Yeah, that was his way pretty. This is like probably 1989. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. He was bouncing.

Starting point is 01:22:21 He was like working the door at C-Bs. Okay. Yeah. Unbelievable. You heard it here. All right. Division I champs. Even people in the photo thought it sounded like two jock of an album title.

Starting point is 01:22:36 And you're embracing it. as you said earlier, you're doing it intentionally. Tell me about recording this landmark 7-inch, deciding what songs to re-record and the reaction to it. Yeah, as I said, not being an artist or a musician earlier, you know, my input as far as the re-recording was very minimal. Okay. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:22:59 I knew I'd like no exceptions. We knew we had the hits, and they had to go on here in like a different medium. You know what I mean? Yeah. But as far as anything else, that would be. I'm being just full transparency. Like the band would have better idea about that. Okay.

Starting point is 01:23:13 Okay. I mean, I think you picked the right song, so they were right. Yeah, I mean, what do you have? Not for me on there,

Starting point is 01:23:18 Shotsie, right? Is that, what else? Isn't, uh, isn't, uh,

Starting point is 01:23:21 changes on there again? Changes, yeah. No exceptions. Yeah. Oh, I mean, it's crazy when you don't even know.

Starting point is 01:23:30 Well, yeah, it's just, I forget which one is on which. I know, I know, I don't know which one. Yeah,

Starting point is 01:23:35 what's the reaction to it like? That was, peak floor punch. Okay. 96, 97. We had the new shirts out, you know, the floor punch 96 shirts

Starting point is 01:23:45 with the changes lyrics on the back, the live shot from the 7-inched C-Bs. Yeah, like that was peak floor punch. No exceptions. Is like advanced H.C. Songwriting, what I want, dude.

Starting point is 01:24:01 This is as good as it gets. Is this a song you're involved with musically in terms of like where the writing or is, or is this something you're hearing and the band just brings it to you. I think Zeb just had that baseline. Wow. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:16 Yeah. What's your reaction to hearing this song? I was a fan immediately. Yeah. Because that's, you know, I always had a friend. It would be like, oh, I got this new demo. You're not going to like it. It doesn't sound like breakdown.

Starting point is 01:24:27 Well, you know, no exception sounds like a breakdown song. Sounds like Brits. It goes, and it goes Mosh 3, which we've talked about before. There's the, there's the, like, youth crew beat where you're still singing. then the buildup and then the no where it goes full

Starting point is 01:24:43 so that's Mosh 3 which is scientifically proven and studied on this show to be in the sweet spot of Mosh speeds three is where you want to be that's where you want to be

Starting point is 01:24:56 TN it's a great job this is a great job this is your accolade for most I'm sure I brought nothing to the table if it wasn't as good vocally as it was musically

Starting point is 01:25:07 it wouldn't be the same Yeah. But it's a, it's a masterpiece. Something you briefly cleared up for us, but obviously we didn't talk about it on the show yet, is the great myth of this 7-inch on gold winding up in the water at the shore. No. So they wouldn't print an odd number of 88. There was 90 printed. I had the two unnumbered ones and the rest were distributed. So there were 90 press. But the urban legend was we threw a dozen in the ocean. Yeah, like half of them in the ocean. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:40 I remember at one point somebody was like, yo, floor punch through 500 records in the ocean. They don't care. These guys are nuts, man. So there's none in the ocean. We gave them away. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:54 I didn't even think Brett sold them. He was like kind of, kind of selective, but like a lot of bozos got them too. You know what I mean? Like people that aren't deserving. I think of. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:04 People have sold them, dude. That sucks. Yeah. I think I've only seen like two in my life. It's crazy. I got three in my basement. Oh. The two unnumbered ones and one numbered one numbered one?

Starting point is 01:26:15 I sold one unnumbered. I have 87, 88, and unnumbered. Oh, wow. Okay, so none wound up in the water. It's a pyramid. He's got him. Pyramith. Dave Sausage has one.

Starting point is 01:26:27 I have the other. Do you know who's got them at this point? I know there's like a spreadsheet out there of who's got him. The original registry. It's not complete, but yeah. Yeah. So awesome. If you're on the registry, comment your number below.

Starting point is 01:26:43 Yeah, the number below, please. And we will help finish the documentation for who has. That could help. Yeah, because I know Brett has really tried to, he's very thorough and I know he's tried to do it. But I know some were lost. Like the guy Jerry from Jersey, his was lost in like a big flood in this basement. But I don't even know what number he had, but I think Zeb still has three. Okay.

Starting point is 01:27:06 King Shown. You know, the band still. Jeff TDT. These sell for upwards of like $1,500. This is like Misfits' Seven-inch territory. Which was crazy. It's crazy, right? It's just...

Starting point is 01:27:16 It's good, right? Yeah, it's nuts. That should. So at this point, as a band, seven inches out, and you're now consistently being asked to play with the bands and the people that inspired Floor Punch to start. How do you feel at the time about Jersey and New York legends embracing Floor Punch? stoked when like Murphy's Law wants us to play with them and that's not even probably the band

Starting point is 01:27:41 you were expecting me to say but yeah I mean it was awesome like and I at that show you're on the marquee and hate breed is not yeah in Virginia Beach and you know you know ripped Todd youth dude was fucking awesome you would watch us play like shredder now had a cool restaurant in the city I was living in New York at a time I'd always see him there yeah I mean you know we were funny like you know like you would see like the characters at the shows like I'd come the guys I was getting my shirts too were like Gestapo and like English Nick from YDL like because I to me them wearing the shirt would be funnier than someone you'd expect to be wearing it you know what I mean and Gestapo wore his and like he's like there's some zines and like

Starting point is 01:28:23 where he's wearing a navy blue floor punch like smorgasbord rip it's funny yeah can you tell me about the first time floor punch played with breakdown that had to feel good. Yeah, and I think it was at C-Bs, too. That feels good. And then they became, so I feel like, you know, I can say this and not be embarrassed or ashamed, but I feel like we helped breakdown become big again,

Starting point is 01:28:49 covering the shit out of them and riding for them in every interview, you know, and we became, you know, that 96 era was like, Lou Beto right on drums, Dejan, Larry, Larry, right, from Sub-Zero, I think on bass and Jeff. And did they have a second guitar player?

Starting point is 01:29:09 I don't know. I don't think so. But Lou is, you know, we were friends with all of them. I mean, Larry was very quiet, but Lou,

Starting point is 01:29:15 like, you know, was great. Dejan, you know, still have his number of my phone, like great dude, the best, like awesome dude.

Starting point is 01:29:23 And Jeff was great too, you know what I mean? But yeah. And then they come back with maybe the sickest record a van can come back with, you know? Yeah,

Starting point is 01:29:31 Blacklist is a great record. God. I mean, I think people get a little fucking wild saying it's better than the demos, but I don't want to hear any. I think it's a demo versus an EP, which to me is different classification. Because, you know, breakdown 87 demo is the pinnacle of. It's the greatest hardcore demo. Yeah. Oh, interesting.

Starting point is 01:29:50 Raw deal is amazing, but to me, breakdown's better. Interesting. But it's literally like God tier and lower God tier. You know what I mean? It's the same people on both demos, pretty much. Yeah, Drago, right, Rich. Yeah, yeah, they were like... So they're one and one.

Starting point is 01:30:08 Either way you go. Same guys. Let's break down, no pun intended. The Floor Punch versus Ensign football game. So we, you know, just being like, oh, floor punch are jocks. Ensign had something. Ensign had a friend Derek who was like a college football player. He was like a good athlete.

Starting point is 01:30:26 And like, it might have been Derek's idea. Like, oh, we'll play floor punch in football. And we, you know... I had one of my buddies come who was like French hardcore dude. And like people said, oh, you're bringing. He counts. Yeah. He heard breakdown on the way up to the game.

Starting point is 01:30:41 You know what I mean? So they were like crying foul. Like, so we will basically wipe them up. And I remember within like. But the score was seven zero. Yeah. Yeah. Long by ones though.

Starting point is 01:30:53 Oh, okay. Oh, okay. It was 49. It was 49. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, okay. Pillaged them.

Starting point is 01:31:00 Literally. after the opening kickoff, so we're playing football for what, 10 seconds? Yeah. I remember the singer of Strengthing like, I'm going to get my gun. He just left another jersey band, strength six.

Starting point is 01:31:16 So it's instantly just, it's a walloping. Instant beef. Yeah. But yeah. And you know, yeah, it was funny. There's pictures in the book, right?

Starting point is 01:31:25 Yeah. Oh, yeah. The whole, the whole like breakdown, play by play. There's like 13 accounts of this. football game. Those pictures,

Starting point is 01:31:35 like that was like one of the things, like I got to give respect to Shining Life, that those pictures came in way late in the process. That was like, they were like time out, don't press the book, bring it back. We got to get these in there kind of thing.

Starting point is 01:31:46 You know what I mean? I think a kid, Aaron had those pictures who I, you know, I haven't heard from her scene in a million years. Haven't mentioned that our buddy, Tom B. It was a big part of putting the book together visually.

Starting point is 01:31:59 Yeah. King of punk books. Yeah, really good at him, man. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I haven't read it, but I've perused. And, you know, it's amazing. You know, I'm saving it. You know, like, I don't want to.

Starting point is 01:32:11 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to always have something to fall back on. When I first got it and I was flipping through it, I didn't read it all right away. I flipped through it much like you. And then I got to the merch section at the end. And like, it gave me chills to see everything, you know, catalog. Yeah, exactly. And shown exactly how I want to see it.

Starting point is 01:32:32 I want to see the tag. I want to see the cracking on the print and everything. How, like, how deliberate at this point now, like after the demo, after the first shirt that you're doing the raw deal thing, like later on, how deliberate are the merch designs? How are you coming up? Good. Great answer. And how are you coming up with what you're doing?

Starting point is 01:32:53 So we were fortunate enough to have a younger kid named Vince, Vince Klein, or Bucket. He drew the floor punch mosher. he drew the hooded guy do you remember hardcore what we do so he was in our camp and he drew to me like I'm gonna say famous but like by famous I mean loved like the moshing scene t-shirt

Starting point is 01:33:12 the four punch New Jersey with like the scene like the skins diving like the ex fit like the schism fist I mean yeah very intentional very deliberate you know that's what we wanted you know like think like the youth crew aesthetic hard mosh scene chains

Starting point is 01:33:28 you know that very even like The floor punch play like a champion shirt with like, you know, like the, the crew shirt with like the tag, you know, whatever it's called. The ringer. Yeah. All deliberate. Classic college font, Notre Dame color way. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:43 Like, we were very fortunate to have like probably the biggest East Coast screen printer in our camp, like FPC, the kid Jeff TDT. You know, he, he would just do it on his own. Like, hey, I did this. We're going to sell him today. never even seen them, but like, yo, that's sick. You know what I mean? Different color ways. Like, he knew what we want.

Starting point is 01:34:05 You got real lucky. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he did well, too, you know. Yeah. You know, but, you know, we were like, people called us a merch band because T-shirts were changing all the time. As you can see by that book, there's a ton of them, you know? There's a ton of them.

Starting point is 01:34:17 And it's crazy to see, you know what I love in all old pictures like this is you could see what band had just played like a week prior? Because everyone's in the same instead shirt or something. I love that. There's so much of that in this book. It's incredible. It's also nice that one of the, Zach, who helped, one of the authors of the book, basically, is one of the greatest hardcore T-shirt collectors alive, probably.

Starting point is 01:34:41 Yeah. Do you know how many of those are his? I don't, but I know that kid Rye Filman from Philly, Ryan. He has a crazy collection. I know a lot of them are his. Okay. You know, I know a lot of them aren't mine. Because I, you know, my wife uses them as like nightchirts. I have some OG ones around that are like paper thin, but.

Starting point is 01:34:59 Okay. I don't have much. You know, I do it. So I do have a one of one, though. The floor punch, the floor punch crew with the ringer, but it's in Heather Gray. It's the only one made. Cool. It's somewhere in my, I could probably show you. It's in here somewhere.

Starting point is 01:35:15 You fall into shreds at this point, right? Yeah. For sure. No, no. Oh, good. Okay, good. Can we take a time out real quick? Sure.

Starting point is 01:35:22 Yeah, sure. I don't know if I can, but it's pretty much dead stock because it was my stepfathers. Like, he had it and he never wore it. Hold on. Let's see. I subsequently found this one when I was just referencing with the Mosh scene. Yeah, there you go. That was a flyer, right?

Starting point is 01:35:40 Yes, originally a flyer for a show with Killing Time and Mouthpiece. I think had obsessions in New Jersey. And then Killing Time did not play because Anthony's dad had a dream that he died in New Jersey. That is the rumor, yes. Wow. That's that good Italian superstition. Old country. shit, dude. Anthony Comminell, great

Starting point is 01:36:02 dude. You know, friend of the band, amazing dude. Absolutely. We tell the story all the time, but Colin and I saw them. Well, you played, right? But we saw them in New York a couple years ago. And in between songs, there was some technical shit, and Anthony was just talking

Starting point is 01:36:18 about places he liked to eat in the neighborhood. Listing off restaurants. But he was like deadpanches, like, yeah, that place is pretty good. What else? The song would end, he'd be like, thank you. So, Mario's on On 34, it was incredible, dude. It was 52 minutes set of that.

Starting point is 01:36:35 And then Killing Time songs. It was awesome. Still got it. Yeah, he's, yeah. Yeah, I mean, how good is killing time? You know what I mean? Top five. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:36:45 I mean, you know, his voice is just amazing. You know, like, what a voice, you know what I mean. Well, look at the, look at the, his stage presence in the last show. Dude, he's pitting for an hour. It's. Perfect. Yeah. It's perfect.

Starting point is 01:37:02 Cargo pants, vans, long sleeve, and a fucking, maybe a sick of it all, right? Yeah. It looks like, yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:10 Underneath a flannel. Like, come on, man. Did you see that we save that video? Yes. And another thing that kind of gave me chills,

Starting point is 01:37:19 like recently, I forget what page it was, it was your personal or the hard door was the bull thrower video. Yeah. Yeah, like I, you know, that band to me is like,

Starting point is 01:37:29 it's the best one. Okay, so this is great. I wanted to, it mentioned somewhere in the book that before a show in 96, you were nervous, you were anxious about something, it was something going on, and Dave Murphy said that you were driving around, he was driving around with you in your car and you were listening to Obituary and Morbid Angel to, like, calm down. So where did, where did death metal and this, like, seemingly polar opposite end of the spectrum come from for you?

Starting point is 01:37:59 I've just always liked hard music. So the breakdowns, the raw deals, the cromags, right, leeway, like that, you know, end of the spectrum, right? So being from the shore, we had a good metal scene. We had ripping corpse. We had Revenant. You know, Blood Feast was from New Jersey, right? You had these bands. You had New York City.

Starting point is 01:38:21 You had, you know, you also had Eric Rutan. Eric Rutan was from, like, a mile from where I was. I grew up. Yeah. Really? Let me tell you something. I did a tour with Haiti Turnal real quick and Cannibal Corpse.

Starting point is 01:38:35 And pretty much every day, he would say, Abra, Jersey, man. So we do it a little different. Like, every single day. So finding out that you were that close is, that's incredible. He was from the same jersey as Eric Rutan. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:38:49 He's second generation ripping forps. Like, he was later on. Okay. But like, you know, maybe like third demo, like dreaming with the dead, right? That's his shit. Yeah. But, um, amazing.

Starting point is 01:38:59 So seeing ripping corpse, right? You're seeing morbid angel because they're playing together. You know, morbid angel gets you listening to Deacide. Yes. You know, deicide gets you listening to carcass. Carcass get, you know, think about like, think about the mosh parts that carcass has. Brother, this is all we talk about. This is, we've made a career out.

Starting point is 01:39:20 Like, you know, I don't even know the songs like, Dan, and then, dint, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. There's nothing harder than that. Yeah. You know what I mean? You're preaching to the conductors of the choir. And both Rower, you know, I got- They're number one.

Starting point is 01:39:36 When did Warmeister come out? 90 or 91, right? 91. I got it when it came out. I saw them in Pittsburgh when he came out. Didn't see them for- Funny Mark Porter story. Like, World War IV is playing Austin.

Starting point is 01:39:48 Both Rower hasn't played in 25 fucking years. Chaos, right? Chaos and chaos? Yeah, and I'm like, I've waited 20 years to see both Rourer. Oh, my fucking feet are killed. Let's go home. We just did. I never even stayed. I watched no. I stayed for no tolerance and left. But then you never came back. You know? No. So recently, right? It was just here, aren't they?

Starting point is 01:40:09 No, they're gone. They're done. 2013 was their last U.S. tour. So, oh, shit. I got the, I got a t-shirt, which I still have there. And it was $10. And it was 10 bucks. I was just going to say. That's right. And they played at that outdoor like, hangar. I saw a couple songs and I split. But being them in 91 was amazing that I mean is there is there a better harder band no 100% they're literally and and one that evolved into a better band every time now do you do were they hardcore adjacent those dudes they know they know they know what's up they definitely know what's up

Starting point is 01:40:47 based on small conversations I've had with Carl you know I wouldn't I don't know if like because obviously the punk ethos is 100% there yes like the $10 shirt and the like they kept it very DIY till the end. Yep. And at that show that you're talking about that, that we went to, in those first few songs when we were allowed to dive, they were so happy.

Starting point is 01:41:12 Yeah. They were like, oh my God, this is perfect. Like people don't do this for us. Security stopped us. And the whole band's mood changed, for real. They were like,

Starting point is 01:41:22 as corny as it sounds, that that song and like that, like description, like gave me goosebumps. Like, I was, I felt it. Like, you know what I mean? Opening with Fourth Crusade, what are we going to do? Yeah, you're going to stand still. There's no barricade?

Starting point is 01:41:36 I'm doing quadruple backflips. They're adjacent in a way that Napalm are, and maybe a band like Assook was, who Floor Punch played with. That's a great segue. Thank you. That's CB's, which is insane, dude. And just like, I love,

Starting point is 01:41:57 There are many surprises in this story of floor punch. And this was one of them to me where I read the flyer like three times. Is that right? Do you remember that at all? Do you remember how their set went? I don't remember. But I think that Mike Tyler King might have booked that show. And he was always, you know, booking crazy stuff.

Starting point is 01:42:14 But I didn't become an ASC fan to a little later. You know, that introduced me to them. But then I'm a fan. You know, that, you know, great, you know. But yeah, I mean, I don't remember how it went. But I remember being interested. You know what I mean? What was out?

Starting point is 01:42:28 A Misery Index was for sure out the time was anti-capital out? I don't know. Mid-90s? Maybe. I would give a finger or two to time travel that one. I'm trying to think the shirt they were, I'm just getting like a, trying to get a reference to what record was actually. I remember they were selling shirts with the cover of the record. Well, they're both non-descript black and light.

Starting point is 01:42:54 It was. It was misery index. They were selling those shirts. I remember first getting into ASUC and one of the first pictures I ever saw and I had not been able to find it since was when they had a standalone singer and the dude was wearing a Youth of Today shirt.

Starting point is 01:43:09 And it was just like, oh, well, everything is my favorite thing. This is all one thing. It's perfect. 100%. Okay, by 1998, floor punch is a certified headlining band. And Fast Times of the Jersey Shore is right around the corner.

Starting point is 01:43:22 debut LP, only LP. what was writing for that like and how, and somebody mentioned that demos existed for the LP. How extensively was it demoed? Yeah, so that demo recording series was taped live in Albany as an audition for EVR. Oh, cool. Steve came.

Starting point is 01:43:45 And they liked what they heard. He paid for it. It was a couple hundred bucks, I think. And we recorded it live. He actually, you know, we were like, oh, that's good. But he's like, no, we did it a couple takes. You know, some songs one take, but some we did it, worked on a few. Like the newer ones.

Starting point is 01:44:00 Yeah, that was basically like our audition for EVR, the demo. And you passed. Yeah. And there's also that one song on there that never even made it to the record, right? That do do do do do do do do do do do do do do. We played that once as an intro at the wetlands. I don't know if we ever played it again. Wow.

Starting point is 01:44:17 You know what song? You know which one I'm talking about? Yeah. We got to get that back. You got to do a finished recording of that one. Yeah. I mean, there wasn't much unreleased floor punch stuff. I think that was the only one.

Starting point is 01:44:27 That's pretty cool. How was working with EVR? They were great. I mean, we like Steve. You know, he was, you know, we had good relationships with him. You know, they, you know, we didn't, it was a different time. You know, we didn't want anything. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:44:40 We just wanted someone to put our record out. Right. You know what I mean? At the time, you know, I like the, we like the pocket print on the shirts, you know? Yeah, the unique version logo is like the next best thing to rev. You know what I mean? And we were into it, you know? And yeah, I never had any complaints.

Starting point is 01:44:55 You know, our records made it to Europe. You know what I mean? People were getting them. You know, the posters were cool. Yeah. One of the standout aspects on this record is something Bo brought up earlier. King shots level up is immediately apparent. He's blasting.

Starting point is 01:45:14 He's pulling out shit that like only a guy who's heard ripping corpse is going to do. He was a good drummer. He's a good drummer. He rips. But it's like, dude, three years from the demo to this is like, oh, this motherfucker has been drumming. Yes. So he is like a craftsman. Like he wants to be better and constantly practicing.

Starting point is 01:45:35 It always assembled, even to this day, like still rocking. You know what I mean? Like played some show, did some stint with underdog, you know, the dude can play drugs. I saw that. It was a while ago now, but I saw him play for underdog and killed it, you know? It's the one style of Phil Collin. I know, I know what I'm talking about. boys it's the

Starting point is 01:45:52 shakakadjjjjjad that thing where it's, you know what I'm talking about? And like he does it a few times on the record, but it works. It's like the floor punch fill, you know, to like as an identity. And then he throws in as a fucking quick blast thing.

Starting point is 01:46:07 It's unbelievable. Every time, dude, it's such a, without him, like you're only as good as your drummer, you know, any band. And God damn, he leveled up for this record. And I'm laughing like,

Starting point is 01:46:20 because when we would play like, gonna get yours live or which I think that's or blondie whatever it was called right and during like when it's like the ring out he'd be like like he'd be doing something crazy every live show you wouldn't you wouldn't know what you were going to get like everyone would have to stop and kind of look because he'd still be going you know what I mean yeah yeah he's a good kid man so let me ask you something gambling was this something floor punch was into or was this a hyper hyperbolic song put at the end of the record oh no no we were fucked up Yeah, I mean, we were OG gamblers.

Starting point is 01:46:56 So going to AC, that was real. Like literally, yeah, like any casino, riverboat anywhere. You loved them all. Yeah, like, okay, like this conversation happened to every show. Ban money, pull it, roulette one spin, let's go. Double it we get nothing. Happened every time. Me and Zussai were going to AC three times, like twice a day.

Starting point is 01:47:21 Okay. We'd go to AC in the morning and go back at night. And like, like, real degenerate shit. Like, you, I mean, you,

Starting point is 01:47:29 in a way, you birthed me with Let It Ride. I'm sure you've seen the meme. That it's something along the lines of like, floor punch, floor punch put out one song in the, in the mid-90s, and now every motherfucker has a problem.

Starting point is 01:47:40 And we've, and you gave birth to guys like us, um, you created many straight-edge gamblers. Are you still a 50 on red guy? I'm a blackjack guy. I think the 50 on red kind of just worked. Yes.

Starting point is 01:47:55 You know, with lyrically. I was never, I was never, hit on eight, hit on 17. Yeah. This is just,

Starting point is 01:48:01 it doesn't, it doesn't hit the same. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and, but you know,

Starting point is 01:48:07 like, but we were big at the show gamblers, too. Boston, degenerate gamblers. Like, we brought that up there.

Starting point is 01:48:15 Like, the $500 dollar coin toss is like urban legend between me and Ray Lamont. He didn't, I won. He didn't pay. you know for $500 point to us in 96 it's kind of wild it's a lot it's a lot today that's like that's like three grand now yeah and so this is a great gambling story and i just told this at the book store at the book of a

Starting point is 01:48:35 event we're on tour our four guy manager not driver is like a sketchball and we're just convinced he's robbing us now we get along with them you know don't get me wrong We weren't like fighting with him, but we just, he's kind of scummy, right? Like, he's constantly going to jackshacks, like, disappearing. Like, we think he's just spending our money. I'm like, all right, fuck this. Let's get this guy back.

Starting point is 01:49:02 So our game of choice at the show was A.C. Doocy. Are you guys familiar with A.C. I'm not. It's a game that can get elevated to high stakes very quick. So it's very, you get it without boring the audience. You get a deck of, no, no. There's a whole group of 28 to 35. year old males right now salivating over what they were about to hear so don't worry about it yeah like

Starting point is 01:49:25 josiah he knows what i mean like so sure we're that we're that level here so hit the cards cut them so now i'm stacking the deck because he's had a few and i'm going to rob my money back so ac ducy what you do is there's a couple different ways to play you flip over a card if it's a high card like a face right you flip over a second card basically all you're doing is guessing what falls between Oh, okay. So, ace first, deuce second is the high and the low, hence the name A.C. Ducey. Anything can be in between. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:59 So for you to win, if you flip the king and a deuce, anything from a queen to three, you're going to win the pop. You follow me? But if you get a king or a deuce, you have to match the pop. Gotcha. Oh. So you get people, 10, 3, everyone puts an annie in, so maybe $5 a guy. It game doubles very quick. So I was stacking the deck and giving the, you know, we were building the pot up and we were sure he's putting our money in there.

Starting point is 01:50:27 So I was dealing from the bottom of the deck like King four, pot, I bet putt, ace you lose, just robbing our money back. Have you ever received confirmation that it was your money back? No, but we robbed a lot. Okay. And we also set up a floor punch on gold sale. he said no way you sold that record for $400. We had like some random kid. We'll give you like a t-shirt if you say you'll buy us for $500.

Starting point is 01:50:56 We bet him like $400. You know what I mean? We set the whole thing up. Wow. Yeah, so the first time Harmsway toured and hit a casino in Reno, we put 50 on red at one. And now if there's ever a casino within, like that we can get to, the buyout or whatever we got from the show pretty much is going on a color.

Starting point is 01:51:19 Yeah. Typically red. Double or nothing, right? That's it. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. Fast Times was recorded with Steve Evitz, the year after satisfaction is the death of desire. No shit.

Starting point is 01:51:31 It was mastered by Alan Duchess, the year after Five Deadly Venoms. You got the dream team here. How do we get that? Like I said, I'm not an artist or a musician. I had nothing to do with that process. That had to have been EVR, right? 100%.

Starting point is 01:51:45 I just remember, Eve Abbots was hard on me. It was vocals. like I did a lot of takes because I was used to not doing any you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, is that record good?

Starting point is 01:51:55 Is like, as you mean, is that record? I'm not talking like material, like quality. It's good. That sounds fantastic. It sounds fantastic. It sounds like a Steve Evans recording. Yeah. But he let it be natural and human.

Starting point is 01:52:09 A little raw. Yeah. I remember we were there for a week, I think. Wow. Yeah, I remember going up at nights. They were there during the day, but I was going after work. Okay.

Starting point is 01:52:18 Was he kicking their ass to get this thing tight or what? Yeah, it was a lot of takes. I remember, like, he was a perfectionist. That's really all I remember. Yeah, what's he doing now? Where's he? He's crushing it. Yeah, he's still doing it.

Starting point is 01:52:30 He's doing a lot of regular rock shit, but he's a regular hard lore listener. He just did the new Dead Guy record. Okay. Sounds fantastic. He mixed the first Eyes of the Lord record a while ago for me. Sounds amazing. Yeah, he's out there crushing it. let's just mastering fucking everything still

Starting point is 01:52:54 what good is that hay breed record it's the one it's the chosen one yeah what was it like witnessing their ascension in real time my all my distinct memory is us playing with them maybe the at the greek american hall in boston it was us i think i did my in my eyes death threat floor punch ape read okay maybe reach the sky And I remember during, was it the first title track? Was it an empty promises? What is it? Yeah, empty promises.

Starting point is 01:53:25 And just looking at my environment, just being like, the room just fucking, how can you say? Like, it was just merch table flipped. And this is a huge venue. And it was just, it was something to see, man. And I always said, like going in the bathroom, it just smelled like raw meat. There was so much blood in there. Oh, yeah, yeah. From that set.

Starting point is 01:53:47 It was just bananas and just they were fucking so good. The chosen ones. You know, there's an interesting parallel where, based on when we had Jamie on, he and his friends got thrown out of a show for moshing, but he saw that there was a void. There was a want for hard music. Not too dissimilar from floor punch, wanting to sing along and not sit on the floor.

Starting point is 01:54:12 And that's an interesting, like, oh yeah, there was a void. This is what a group of people want to do. Let's just do it. and it worked. It's very interesting to me. That being said, I would love to hear like a full, fuller version of Killen Addicts,

Starting point is 01:54:24 probably one of my favorite songs. It's what? A minute and a half or something? Other than like the tinny drums and like that recording, you know what I mean? We did it. I mean,

Starting point is 01:54:31 God said did it. Yeah. It's pretty good. But tell me about playing with the misfits during their initial reunion. Did we play with them? Was that alive and well?

Starting point is 01:54:41 It was a fest and they played the other day. But we did not, we played a smaller venue, but. Okay. Kind of like, think of like, you know, like a two venue fest. They played at the Asbury Park. Right.

Starting point is 01:54:54 All, which is like probably like a 2000 cap. We played at the casino skate park where it was like our record release was there. Was that something you cared about? Like were you a misfits guy? Yeah. I mean, I love the misfits. But, you know, I don't think I saw them that show. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 01:55:07 No. But I was a fan. You know, those records like, you know, you know, we talked to every night, right? You know, about, you know, Earth AD is just to me is just perfect. You know, the opening. Like I was thinking. when you were listening ranking the tracks, like the Earth AD to me is just it.

Starting point is 01:55:23 You know, that's a hardcore record. That's a sort of opening, opening track, the scream, whoa, it's just to me, it blew me away. You know what I mean? I was just like. And then you find out there from New Jersey. Yeah, I mean, I had known that. Because I remember I went and saw before that,

Starting point is 01:55:40 I think I saw someone in Lodi, and we were just talking about that's where Danzig was from. And I think, you know, this was like after I'd obviously, This wasn't like early on. It was later on. I think I saw Nile in a little club in Lodi. And we were just talking about Danzig being from Lodi.

Starting point is 01:55:54 There's another hard band. Yeah. Suspiciously hard. Like, bro, I know you've heard breakdown before. You know? Yeah. Where are they from? Egypt.

Starting point is 01:56:07 Perfect. Other than the obvious. Yeah. There's no other answer. I don't know. I think they're British. Are they not British? Egyptian.

Starting point is 01:56:16 I think they're, I think, by way of Egypt, yeah. Or a band a band we haven't talked about yet. And I'm just curious because when we called you for the bracket, you weren't the biggest fan of turning point. No, no, no, no. The LP, like, is good.

Starting point is 01:56:32 But the seven inch is great. Yes. You know, like, I'm not a slap bass guy. And I think it's funny that... That was the quote. Slap bass. That was the quote. That's right. I think Ken or someone like DM me like on it said, yo, what's not but hating on the slap base?

Starting point is 01:56:45 It was one song. You know what I mean? I like that it got to him. That's good. No, love turning point. Saw a turning point very early on, you know, demo era, great band. But I wanted to say we were talking about like heavy music and stuff and like the shore. So there was a weekend in 1990 and one day in a matinee in Long Branch, New Jersey,

Starting point is 01:57:05 which is right at the shore, ironically at a club called Murphy's Law, I saw Sick of it on Outburst and then drove up to Clubbony and Sarajeville the same night and saw ripping corpse, biohazard, Biohazard, morbid angel. Holy shit. What a day. I mean, that's five of five.

Starting point is 01:57:22 That's Mosh's delight. Yeah. No pun intended. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's what we're all about here on this show. Tell me about the legendary San Francisco brawl,

Starting point is 01:57:37 the iconic photos that came from it. Nazis show up to the floor punch gig. Break it down for me. Yeah, I mean, when I ever I speak about this, I'll just say, perhaps it's like, still to this day, fuck every Nazi, you know, fuck the right wing and fuck all that shit. You know what I mean? Especially in the scene we come from, that shit's not welcome. You know what I mean, that ideology. So I guess there was, they had had a problem out there with these skinheads, you know, coming to shows. And we had played a show, I think, with all bets off and forget the name of Jira or something, gyramite maybe. Sammy the Mick had booked the show.

Starting point is 01:58:13 So we were staying, yeah, Rip, amazing person who I met at that show and stayed in contact until he passed. You know, like amazing dude. We were staying with Mikey Hoods, certified maniac, right? Crazy dude. Like, greeted this really well. It was awesome. I was hanging out in the van, and Bill Punch had gotten into a little scuffle with like an OBHC dude who was like kind of like out of his mind. Like, you know, there wasn't like any beef.

Starting point is 01:58:40 It was like purely mashed beef and it got squashed. and so obviously OBHC is not to be like trifled with you know what I mean like serious dudes and like so we didn't know that it was going to pop off so we're playing and we see out of the corner of our eye like Sammy and Mikey like breaking down like

Starting point is 01:58:57 drum stands and like bats being passed around and like I'm saying like all right we're getting it on stage I guess you know these dude came back with his boys we're going to get fucked up see you know but then Tammy popped it off with that that one shot.

Starting point is 01:59:14 And then you know. Somebody went, yeah, then you knew what was going on. And basically the one of the bigger dudes was kind of like fighting right in front of us. And I just basically, like, lassoed him with the mic and just upside down the mic and just,

Starting point is 01:59:28 and Summers has an outburst shirt on with brass knuckles. And Jeremy stomping the, you know, it was amazing. The shots, you know. Iconic. But yeah,

Starting point is 01:59:38 we got, you know, those, you know, it was, you know, any kind of like violent. event like you you know we're across country we just want to get the fuck out of there

Starting point is 01:59:45 100% you know literally change clothes and just unloaded this fast we couldn't got out of there you know what I mean but yeah yeah they got what they deserved I mean you come to a show picking on fucking kids like you they had one agenda and that was it like to ruin this show for kids yeah you know they weren't there to watch the music you know what I mean so you know California is interesting you know I mean it was yeah that set the tone you know the shows were cool you know and is this this Is this your only U.S. tour? Yes.

Starting point is 02:00:15 Other than like, like D.C. to Boston. Sure. You, okay. So then on this tour, after this, you get to Southern California. Can you tell me about meeting a fellow named Todd Jones? Oh, amazing. Amazing, amazing kid, man. He loves four-pun.

Starting point is 02:00:31 I love him. He really does. I love him. You know, Zach, um, strong intention. Not strong, is that? Zach Nelson. Zach Nelson. What band was he in?

Starting point is 02:00:40 It'll repeat, or, yeah. Oh, in control. In control, yeah. Oh, fuck yeah. The later band he was in. Retaliate, right? Retaliate, yes. The dude from Strong Intention was from Maryland,

Starting point is 02:00:50 but yeah, Zach Nelson. So him and Todd had like an apartment together. I feel like Todd was 16, like already out of the house, you know, and we stayed with them and it was just like, you know, like grows from the get-go. I think we played him straight ahead for the first time. Whoa. I think he said that on our show, right? Yeah, that's true.

Starting point is 02:01:06 I think so. You were like, listen to this, listen to this, listen to this. Yeah, you went out to the van. got it. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Wow.

Starting point is 02:01:16 We were spreading the gospel, right? Straight ahead. One of my favorite, I said this on the Todd episode. I don't know if you heard it, but it's one of my favorite stories was Nails played. This is Hardcore after show at Kung Fu Necktie. I think it was 2015. And Todd would not start the set until you got there because you were on your way. And he was just on stage.

Starting point is 02:01:37 Just like, we're waiting. Believe me, I wasn't like big league. and I was trying to get there. Oh, no, I don't. The mood was immediately clear. It was totally, it was perfect. That venue was the size of this bedroom. Remember that place?

Starting point is 02:01:50 Small. And everybody understood. Yeah. We got to wait. Well, I remember I was next to your brother and I was like, why are we waiting? And Taylor literally just went, Porter's coming. I'm such a dork. No, it was awesome.

Starting point is 02:02:09 I'm a Nails fan. I am. You're you're you that's on record you yeah that's that's on record you're o g i know i saw it all yeah the floor punch european tour oh talk to me 1998 tell me about touring europe in 1998 like 60 shows in 20 days right like you know a show every day like 35 shows yeah a third of which are in eastern germany you know this is like 10 years after the wall came down so like it's still gray over there Like, there was no color.

Starting point is 02:02:42 You know what I mean? Still is. Just everything was gray. Right. You know, playing a huge hole to 10 people on a Wednesday night. Perfect. We played some great shows. We did not go to the UK.

Starting point is 02:02:54 We stayed mainland. Wow. So it basically was like two shows in France, 60 shows in Germany. Like, Scandinavia. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Are there bands in cities that exceed your expectations at the time?

Starting point is 02:03:08 So, having, they, they, and toured with sportswear fell in love with Oslo. Amazing city. Sportswear is good. The name is bad, but they sound like bold. Yeah, no. Sportswear's good name is just always blown my mind. Mainstrike rocks.

Starting point is 02:03:26 There's some hitters. You played with True Blue on that tour? We did. We stayed with Kitzel. That's right. I met Pat. We went to his apartment and just watched old hardcore VHSs, like as we should.

Starting point is 02:03:37 You know, that. Dude. through Korman, like the greatest Korman activity, right? Yeah, that is a thing. Like, truly, James from my band, one of the first things we did when we started hanging out was he played me

Starting point is 02:03:49 the final Mosh VHS that he had. You know what I mean? That is like, that is a lost thing that I actually truly miss. Obviously, YouTube is incredible and one of my favorite, my favorite thing. But part of that is missing out on this. I've never seen this

Starting point is 02:04:05 because there were only 20 of them, whatever, you know. Yeah. And tapes, tapes getting destroyed and shared and the quality is always, what was the word buffering or whatever? You know what I mean? The tracking.

Starting point is 02:04:16 The tracking. The tracking. Yeah. Tracking. Yeah. Well, dude, what's so cool is somebody reached out, I'm sure he's listening to us recently and sent us a 4K, high, the highest quality rip of the final Mosh video I've ever seen.

Starting point is 02:04:30 I need to get that from you. I don't think. We're going to put it up on our channel if you're cool with that. Go for it. Yeah. Never before seen. And it looks insane. It's so clear.

Starting point is 02:04:40 I can see all of your pores. And it's like a professional cam rip. I want to thank him so much for doing that. It will be up shortly after that. Who taped it? I don't know. Don't know. I will get all the information possible and it will be listening in the description.

Starting point is 02:04:58 It's from the crowsness. Yes. Oh, cool. So, yeah, that was the day my wife graduated law school. And so that's why I was late because I was coming from her graduation. Wow. And I actually left her in the pit, like, mid-intro. And my buddy from high school was there.

Starting point is 02:05:13 I remember he just, like, picked her up and never been to a hardcore show. And, like, bear hugged her and just dragged her to the back out of the, like, the mayhem. She was in the middle. It takes you forever to get up there. Yeah. It was, it was, I mean, what a send-off, right? Come on. Dude, it's the best.

Starting point is 02:05:28 It's everybody's out of tune. It's insane. Shit's getting unplugged. And it's perfect. It's perfect, yeah. Yeah. It was, yeah. To get there.

Starting point is 02:05:37 I think, I think does this European tour, like, kill you guys? Yeah, is it nail in the coffin or? Yeah, so it kind of started. So what people want to say about floor punches, like our mission statement, like, we were friends, right? So we had like a deal like, yo, if anyone leaves this band, we're just breaking up because we're not going to jeopardize our friendship because we're boys. But like if that's why it was always, you know, we had fill-ins on tour, but only because logistically, the person really couldn't do it. It wasn't like, oh, I'm not going. Fuck you guys.

Starting point is 02:06:08 You know what I mean? Zab was on tour with Endeavor. That's why he couldn't do the states, right? You know, so, yeah, that was like part of our deal. And, you know, we had played across the country, America. You know, my wife was in, my girlfriend at the time was in the city living by herself. We had just gotten two ducks and puppies. And like, we're getting ready to embark on this five-week European tour.

Starting point is 02:06:31 And I'm like, we're in fucking Arizona, like denial theater or whatever. What was that place called? Oh, yeah. Still there. So it was like, I was like, underground or upstairs? I think upstairs, big room. Holy Lord.

Starting point is 02:06:43 Big room. Yeah. And I was like, you know what? This, let's, I want to go home. We're not going to be here for five weeks. So we were supposed to play back across, we just drove straight across. Oh.

Starting point is 02:06:53 So I wanted the week, I wanted the week off before I went away. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen. There, brother. In Europe, we played some great shows, right? Demboche, right?

Starting point is 02:07:03 The Milky Way, like whenever those clubs were, they still around now. The club that drops the confetti or whatever. I think it was called the Milky Way. I've never gotten confetti personally. Was it Coney Island? C-O-N-N-E Island. These clubs aren't even around anymore.

Starting point is 02:07:19 No way. Maybe not. The confetti budget was out of control. That was like the club's deal. They would drop confetti while you were playing. Sounds amazing. We played some great shows, but, you know, it was winter. You know, we were eating terribly.

Starting point is 02:07:34 Of course you were. Everyone was made at Chris because I think he told them and the rider we were vegetarian. And he was the only one. So, you know, I love Chris, but, you know, that people were mad at that. And like, people, people, people meaning me and like probably only me. I was bitching about having cold feet in the van, not, heat not working. Yeah, of course. You know, we're in a sprinter, you know, it was cold.

Starting point is 02:07:56 It was rough. A bunch of bad shows. And, you know, I think we just, you know, you're in a van. You guys know, for a month prior, a week home, then five weeks. It's just, you know what? We were starting to wear in our friendship, and we didn't want that to happen. But there was another kicker, too. I got to be real.

Starting point is 02:08:13 We had played a show in New Brunswick, and this is when Kill Your Idels was coming up. And, you know, different genre. Like, it was hardcore, punk, but more like poison idea, less like youth crew, you know what I mean? Yeah. And they blew us away. And I always being, like, self-deprecating, I'm like, listen, I'm not going to go out like a sucker. You know, this might be the writings on the wall that the band is over that show.

Starting point is 02:08:37 Wow. And that was it. So Kill Your Idiles was your Echo Brain. Yeah. They put the nail in the coffin. Echo Brin. Kill your idols is the future. No beef with them.

Starting point is 02:08:50 You know, it was just, it was changing. I mean, clearly, you were impressed and you're like, we gotta stop. Yeah. They killed, they killed their idols, truly. Wow. I bought my misfits bag from one of the guys and Kill Your Idels. Oh, cool. That's cool.

Starting point is 02:09:05 And then. But they killed. Floor punch, so what the fuck, man. Touring, let's go back real quick to touring the U.S. And let's get the, let's get the food discussion out of the way. Yeah, because there's a whole section in the book on this. It's amazing. What were you, you guys were eating good on this tour or what?

Starting point is 02:09:19 What did this say in the book? I didn't read the book. Is it coming from my mouth or? No, there's a paragraph. I don't remember who said it. It says, all I remember is, is food being a big topic. Like, it was just like, what are we eating? It was just like a thing.

Starting point is 02:09:34 Well, you know, when we went to California, obviously we had to have in and out. But it was every meal, like breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It ended out. I was in and out in 1998. The burgers are delicious. I've never been a fan of the fries because I don't like shoestring fries. Yeah. It's not quite a shoe string.

Starting point is 02:09:52 It's old-fashioned potato, real cut, dude. Call it whatever you want. It's anti-Irish discrimination to say. They're like crunchy. It's like, I'm not a fan. They are kind of handicapped. The sauce is good and then onions is good. And you cover them the fries on that sauce and you don't know who cares what's going on.

Starting point is 02:10:12 Yeah, but yeah, you know, we like to eat, obviously. And you ate a burger, you ate some huge burger after having eating burritos earlier in the day for like a contest. There's a picture of you guys. Yeah, so that was in Boston at a place called burrito burrito max that was right in right across the street from the rat. And they had some huge burrito and I ate it. And then we went to a place called the Eagle Deli, which was on Boston College campus, like Eagle, Boston College Eagle. And they had a thing called the Godzilla burger, which was a pound of fries and a pound hamburger. And I remember eating it and being like, when Homer Simpson's trying to gain weight, just like throwing the food in my mouth and it was just bouncing out.

Starting point is 02:10:55 Yeah, yeah. And then I did that middle middle finger with an X on it with like in ketchup. On the plate. Yeah. Clevo still has that picture because they hung it on the wall. It's in the book. Yeah. Wow.

Starting point is 02:11:08 Fantastic. What a mistake. So what was floor punch's number one stop of choice on this one single U.S. tour you guys did? Aside from in and out. A shitty fast food. You know, McDonald's. King shots of McDonald's. King shot keeps it simple.

Starting point is 02:11:22 How else is he going to be able to play all them parts? He needs the sodium, the electrolytes. Horrible fuel. Yeah. All right. So Europe kills you guys. Kill your idols in Europe together kills Floor Punch. What leads up to over a year later?

Starting point is 02:11:40 It's like over a year until the last show, right? It was May of 2000 and we had come home in like February and 99. So yeah, March, yeah. It's a big gap. 14 months, 15 months, yeah. So in those 15 months, what are the events that caused these discussions to start happening, the decision to actually end the band that conversation. What do you remember from before the show?

Starting point is 02:12:07 So basically it was like radio silence with the band for this 14 months. You know what I mean? Like we were all like doing our own thing. And then of course someone being like approached us, maybe Tyler or like Rich Hall, I forget who was booking the time. I was like, yo, do you guys want to do a last show? It's just going to be three bands of breakdown in Chrome mics. Like, okay.

Starting point is 02:12:24 Like literally one in one and two on my list of favorite bands. You know what I mean? And so when we got there and, you know, that show was just, it was bananas. You know what I mean? It was like a perfect. People like really make it sound better, even better than it was because I see how people like really are, the way they wax poetic about that show. Yeah. I mean, it was special, but, you know, that was like what CBs was like.

Starting point is 02:12:49 But even, you know what I mean? So for me, it was just, it was a good send-off, you know, and playing with two of my favorite bands like one last time. So is it a universal group? Yes? Or is there a big deliberation beforehand? No deliberation. Everyone was down. Okay.

Starting point is 02:13:07 Yeah. And it was like, hey, this is the last show. Yes. We're going to call it. I think Jeff came up with like the final Mosh name. He did the t-shirts on his own.

Starting point is 02:13:15 Like, you know, and that was it. You know, and we were cool after that. Like, we left his friends. Like,

Starting point is 02:13:20 that show was like literally like hugging and like, there wasn't beef, but like it was like the way it was off of like the tension of like tour and like, Yeah, yeah. But when do you find out that there was an edge break within the camp? Before that. Okay.

Starting point is 02:13:35 Before that. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't like in the open. It was like, don't speak, no, don't, you know, don't speak, don't tell kind of thing. You know what I mean? Okay. Okay. Not the whole time, but, you know.

Starting point is 02:13:47 Yeah. You know, you always said, you know, there was the one guy where they were never really exing up, you know what I mean? Was there any thought about the last show being out of state? I know CBE's was obviously. an important it was CB's but was there any like ah

Starting point is 02:14:03 but we could do whatever venue closer to home and that would mean more no like no jersey loyalty thing we were like you know what CB's our favorite venue like we're glad it's there

Starting point is 02:14:13 okay cool we loved every show there we played was special they always did great you know the sound was great the myth the aura yeah you know playing with those two bands there

Starting point is 02:14:24 it was just a perfect storm like of how we wanted to go out you know what I mean it was amazing And then the set is what it is. Yeah. It's all time. Great.

Starting point is 02:14:33 Yeah. I mean, that's a video I can still watch to this day. And I'm like, pretty cool. You know what I'm really excited for you to see. Yeah. It's awesome. Well, that's just cameras. Cameras did sound like shit.

Starting point is 02:14:46 Yeah, right, right. I mean, I think Bill gets whacked like his headstock gets hit. And Zussai is always fucked up. You know what I mean? And so once Bill goes out of tune, I think everyone at one point, they just stopped and are looking at each other. right? I even think I said something on the mic. You might know the songs or maybe not because we suck.

Starting point is 02:15:04 You know what I mean? Is there a soundboard recording from this show anywhere? Is there an audio version of this set somewhere? Not that I've ever seen. No. And the banner just disappeared at that show. I'm telling you, man. That is awesome.

Starting point is 02:15:21 Dude, that happens. Someone out there has the last, the Weekend Nachos banner. They stole it from me. It was mine. shit like that. They're listening right now. I know they're. Paining their face like the Joker in their bathroom.

Starting point is 02:15:34 It's like a shower curtain somewhere. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. If anybody for some reason has a soundboard recording from the Floor Punch Final Mosh. Yeah, that'd be good. I've got this 4K restoration of this thing. Imagine.

Starting point is 02:15:49 That is in dire need of the audio being good. Imagine what we could do together, audio man. But I can't wait for people to see that. So the show ends. You guys are hugging, feeling good, and you feel accomplished. You feel like, okay, I'm comfortable being done. Yeah, I mean, obviously, as an artist, you're musician, right,

Starting point is 02:16:12 that's the way you want to go out. You know, we were on top, you know, because we might even got the best response out of all three bands. You know what I mean? And we were just stoked and, you know, I didn't get paid, didn't care. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:16:24 Like, you know, it just, that was, we wanted the proper send-off because we knew how we'd gone out at that other show wasn't like the real like indication of what floor punch was you know what I mean but we were getting that send-off was like we were happy with like it being done and no one even wanted to do more like there was no like hey we just killed it let's play another show it was like we just killed it was great you know what I mean which was that made me happy and you look around you at what hardcore is in 2000 how how different is the landscape from 1995 to them,

Starting point is 02:16:57 do you feel like you're Batman in a way, you know, that like your job is done and the city doesn't need you anymore? Well, you know, you had like 2000, you had A-N, right? They were coming around, right?

Starting point is 02:17:10 They were very big, and, you know, it was changing, you know, I'm not sure when HopeCon came around, but, or not HopeCon, they were around then too, right? That was like, HopeCon, A-N, like those kind of events, the converger's always around, but, you know, you know,

Starting point is 02:17:23 hardcore, cyclone, you know, it's kind of shifting towards that. that, you know what I mean? Which was fine. You know, Wes and those dudes were like legit hardcore dudes, you know, all those kids. And they were like four punch guys and we were around. So, you know, hardcore is always going to be great. You know what I mean? There's always cool shit going on. You know, and we never felt like a Batman kind of thing. But I just think for us, it was just the way, you know, we went out, we came in, you come into this world with nothing but yourself, you leave this world with nothing. You know what I mean? Like, we came in, we kicked it and we just,

Starting point is 02:17:55 split and we were that was it you know um you seem to have stayed in touch with hardcore did you take a sabbatical of any kind did you check out for a minute and come back or anything or were you always just ear to the ground on soul seek i'm always yeah on limewire limewire yeah i'm always ear to the ground like you know i mean like being friends with like jocin and like you know all the bands he's been in, DFJ, you know, you know, New York bands, you know, the Boston bands, I'm always, with Todd and Nails and, you know,

Starting point is 02:18:30 all these other bands, you know, I've always, I'm always listening. Like, even, you know, bands today, you know, a little shit going on all the time, you know. We got you on the fire starter track, you know, you're here. Yeah, that shit was cool, you know, recording, that was awesome. Yeah, I mean, that made me like a little flashback, but. And you sound great on it.

Starting point is 02:18:48 Yeah, I was stoked. Like, I don't listen to a lot of, of music other than hardcore and metal. You know what I mean? Like I'm very, I've always been like, winders. Yeah. Well,

Starting point is 02:18:59 yeah, true. But like, but that's it. That's the only exception. I listen to hardcore every day. You know what I mean? Like I have my playlist and it just cycles through. Did you do a Spotify rap today?

Starting point is 02:19:11 No, I'm an Apple music guy. Good for you. Good for you. So I am too. There's just because like that's, my whole library is on Apple Music. So 99% of my listening goes on.

Starting point is 02:19:22 there. But I like to have both just to see what everybody's here. Yeah, I do both. Yeah. I've been on a very big cure kick the last few years. Beautiful. I got Bill Punch really introduced me to disintegration. That's the one. It's amazing. But like I'm like deep tracks, like cuts. Like I'm really like fully immersed in the cure like the last like five years.

Starting point is 02:19:43 Welcome. Yeah. Welcome to post goth sport. You know, post sport goth quarter. I still dress like a jock though. That's right. How many members of floor punch are still straight-ish today? Great. Bill, Chris and myself. That's a good ratio.

Starting point is 02:20:01 Yeah. Zussai, I mean, you see his character arc in the book, like selling crack or like smoking crack to metalhead, like the straight edge. He's still edge, you know? Bill still edge. Yeah. That's what you want. Yeah, Zussai's cool. He was a legit metalhead. You see his pictures? Yeah, it's awesome. He got the Verma, the Vermaq shirt on in his yearbook photo. So that's what it's all about. What leads to the reunion in 2007?

Starting point is 02:20:27 We had no interest in playing, but a friend of ours was like kind of jammed up was like some family issues. And any way we could help. Like even like all the shows early on were a lot of reunion, like a Joe hardcore reunion. I mean, Joe Hardcore benefit, right, with Cold World, Robbie Red Cheeks. That was a crazy show. I think it was like trash talk. There's a ton of bands on that show. But we did, you know, even like the last show we played was I think the Matt Summers benefit.

Starting point is 02:20:52 from shark attack who got it we played that like two years ago it was great you know and you know i'm not saying we'll never play again because it just doesn't work that way i don't ever want to play again but like if someone were like jammed up and i could help then maybe like in that medium i would do it you know what i mean do you not want to play with floor punch or do you not want to play music oh no i just i think you know floor punch was cool and i you know i don't ever want to be like DFJ said to me, hardcore is a young man's game. And I respect that. And I just, I'm happy with where my place is and like, you see all these older guys embarrassing themselves.

Starting point is 02:21:33 You know what I mean? I don't want to be that guy. You know what I mean? You know, I want to be able to go to a show and be like, oh, this, here's this clown. You know what I mean? I think you have too much self-awareness to, to end up that guy. But also as to my point, what I was saying before, like, you've stayed plugged in both eventually with doing World War IV. I remember you watched Harman's Way play at a United Blood, and we were all like,

Starting point is 02:21:55 yo, that's Porter, behind the cabs. And you've always done a good job, is what I'm trying to say, of maintaining what you're trying to do. And so I think it's very cool to use this potential power that Floor Punch has, easy money, to only really use it to help and for good every once in a while, maybe. You know, I think that's amazing. When liking more aggressive music and knowing the singer has, a floor punch tattoo is obviously going to peak my interest.

Starting point is 02:22:23 You know what I mean? Sure. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I like, you know, I like that style. So I'm down to check it out, you know. When the World War IV demo came out, I think we released the song World War Five the same week or month. And I loved the demo.

Starting point is 02:22:40 And I was like, damn, they're going to be so mad. I had this fantasy that you guys were like, fuck this man immediately. No. I understand if that was the case. Not at all. Your song, your song is much, that breakdown is much heavier than anything we did. You know,

Starting point is 02:22:58 apples and oranges, kind of. Yeah. All fruit. But I was a World War IV fan. I like that, Ben. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:23:04 It's an incredible man. Yeah. It was cool. Those dudes are special musicians, you know. Bring it back. It's a young man's game. Can't do it.

Starting point is 02:23:14 Ah. This is the Fountain of Youth. We're out of War forever young. True. It's true. hardcore has changed so much since floor punch since its inception since everything

Starting point is 02:23:25 what are your thoughts looking around today what do you see do you like what you see you know I do I mean I think it's I have a hard time believing how monetized it is like I think that's cool for the bands who are like grinding and like make a living off it

Starting point is 02:23:39 because you know even like the bigger bands when I was like you know with floor punch you aren't making money you know what I mean like sick of it all was always the banner for making and living off a band right They, Dickwood all can go to Europe and they're each coming home with 70 grand. You would hear these stories, right? You know, but they were like the exception to the rule.

Starting point is 02:23:55 I mean, I think it's amazing that like, you know, turn style, there's not a bigger band in the world, like, relatively speaking. And they're hardcore. There's no, there's no cooler, more allotted rock band in the world than this hardcore band. And they're hardcore kids. Yeah. You know, look, Brendan's still doing TUI, you know, everything, you know. I mean, it's just, it's crazy, you know, I mean, I think it's amazing, you know, bands like Drain. like speed like even stuff that's more abrasive to the years like knock loose right

Starting point is 02:24:24 heavy abrasive lyrics I'm not saying I think it's cool but to me a band like that can be as big as they are it's pretty fucking amazing how where this genre has come from it's objectively insane and don't get me wrong when I even like to like spin it around like when I hear like you talking to the dude from knock loose and he talks about floor punch I get a little geeked out about by that too. Like, because like, here's this band,

Starting point is 02:24:49 like that sounds nothing like us. Right. But like, you know, know who we are. So I think that's kind of sick. You know what I mean? That's just where we are.

Starting point is 02:24:56 Well, there's, guitar music has not been this big since the 90s. Yeah. You know, so it's, it's great. It's,

Starting point is 02:25:04 thank, I don't care what it sounds like. I think it's a positive, you know? Who would turnstile be in the 90s? Like, size-wise. Size-wise.

Starting point is 02:25:16 Like, we're not talking like, Alice and Chains or like... Dude, they're like direct support on fucking Lollapalooza and shit, you know? So yeah, it would be like Pearl Jam, Allison Chains. Yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah, one of the one of the grunge type bands.

Starting point is 02:25:29 So, so in the 2000s, early 2000s, rock music died because CDs died, you know? So it's like, okay, we've got to make things that are cheaper to make. Let's get guitars out of there because that's expensive to record. Let's get real drums out of there because that's

Starting point is 02:25:45 expensive to record. Now, audiences are finally realizing that that shit is not cool. And when they hear real drums, they hear real guitars, they go, oh, this reminds me of that thing that I love and that my dad loves so much. And we're there now. We're back. Bands are back. Artists are gone.

Starting point is 02:26:05 I don't want to wear a shirt with just a guy's name on it. I want a collective of motherfuckers who I know who I know love the same shit that I love or are going to put me on to new things that I love. And that's, I'm a, I'm a child again when I find something new. The live aspect and the showmanship of it too, you know what I mean? Half the battle. You can't beat it. The band is back.

Starting point is 02:26:31 That was beautiful, Colin. That was very profound. Thanks, man. We got, we're going to keep it there. All right. Before we wrap things up here, we've got some questions from our Patreon members. We're going to hit you with. Let's scroll through these here.

Starting point is 02:26:44 This is a great question. from Dylan Reed, we just might or time to forgive? We just might every day all day. Yeah. That's it. Outstanding. Remember I said,

Starting point is 02:26:59 I remember said, floor punches, we just might, mouthpiece is time to forgive. That was my analogy even back then. You know what I mean? Wow. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:27:07 Wow. Let's see here. Great question, Dylan Reed. Great question, Dylan. Outstanding. Andy Tuck asked, what were your, favorite smaller scenes to play shows in floor punches heyday smaller scenes so we you know we didn't

Starting point is 02:27:25 travel that much like we were like dc to boston for like 90% of our career but i thought like the allentown like outweigh that scene like the redding pennsylvania like where the rancor guys were from was always cool but it's it's a tricky question because we were basically boston new york jersey shore dc that was it you know what i mean uh virginia beach there i can say that there you go Virginia Beach, we played there two or three times, and always amazing. Here we go. Yeah. Beautiful.

Starting point is 02:27:51 Good answer. Jesse Dan Polo asked, this is fun. You're drafting a football team from 90s hardcore band members. Who's at the top of your draft board and what positions are they playing? 90s hardcore? Yeah. I think Josta would be like the GM of the franchise. Dude, that's actually genius.

Starting point is 02:28:13 We're running this play. Right. No, so Rob Lind would be the coach. Great. All right. We would have, who would be our, I'm going to pick one more position, a quarterback of 90s Ford Corps. Maybe Jesse Stanhard. Love it.

Starting point is 02:28:28 Yeah. That's awesome. One of the other football guys. Yeah. Sports core. Yeah. Great answer. Great team.

Starting point is 02:28:37 Going all the way. Speaking of, Mark, who do you think we're going to have in the Super Bowl this year? If you had to pick. I'm unhappy with the Eagles right now because I just don't know what's going on. I think they can turn it around. So I like to say they could make a run, but I was really high on the Rams until they lost this week to Carolina. I don't believe in the Patriots because they have a soft schedule and they're just beating up bad teams. But the AFC is kind of weak.

Starting point is 02:29:06 So maybe the Colts from the AFC, Colts, Patriots, NFC. I would like to say the Eagles, but I'm a little skeptical. I think, you know, I think the Rams could get it together. Detroit showed weak, Green Bay. You know, everyone's losing. It's wide open, you know what I mean? I'll tell you somebody in the NFC North who ain't losing. The Bears, baby.

Starting point is 02:29:28 That's true. They're doing pretty good. And we got Green Bay this Sunday. So my girlfriend and I, who's my girlfriend's from Green Bay, we're a house divided. It's a big one. It's awesome. You can't hate the Bears either, right? You know, even as an Eagles fan, like, they just beat us.

Starting point is 02:29:41 but I have no hate for the Bears. The original franchise. When I got back into it, or when I got into football at all, I just picked the Eagles because I liked Philadelphia, and I just picked the Eagles. And then they won. So I've been very high on the Eagles for a while. I would say as long as the Chiefs aren't involved in any way,

Starting point is 02:29:59 we're all going to be able to have. We're all winning. The Chiefs of the Cowboys, yeah. Yeah. I hate them both. Nicholas Koch asks, favorite Oasis song, and do you claim responsibility for introducing Oasis to the hardcore community.

Starting point is 02:30:13 I do claim responsibility. I like slideaway, acquiesce, you know, acquiesce, you know. Those are the two songs that got me into the man. Spock tonight. I mean, there's a, you know. I want to talk to. I mean, those, you just picked like the three heads picks, you know. But like, supersonic, right?

Starting point is 02:30:35 Yeah. Good, like, just rock and roll, right? I'm feeling super. Are you a big movie here now, guy? Um, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Other than what's the Hindu Times? What's the other one called?

Starting point is 02:30:49 The Hindu Times? Yeah. The Hindu Times, yeah. Yeah. Oh, the one with Hindu Times on it. Yeah, which record is that? Standing on the shoulders of giants. Is it that one? Forget that one.

Starting point is 02:31:01 I'm not all over. Okay. But yeah, I mean, like I said, my wife and I saw them in like 200-Cab venues. You know? Yeah. We were fans from the jump. You know what I mean? I really like, I mean, aside from Loving Be Here Now, the demo version of the record with the program drums and Noel singing the whole thing is unreal.

Starting point is 02:31:22 You made me listen to their, um, is the MTV unplugged? Dude. Oh, good. One of the biggest musical flexes in history. Yeah, straight. Just like, yeah, all right. My brother's sick. So I guess I'll just fucking.

Starting point is 02:31:36 And he's sitting up there. Right there. Yeah. He's heckling him. Yeah. It's unbelievable. It's the coolest. It's so cool.

Starting point is 02:31:41 And what showman, man? How good were they? Like, the show is just amazing. Dude, the fucking production with the backdrop and the colors and all the shit was unreal. Yeah, we were front pit, like right in the front, like the closest you could be to the barricade. And I just found myself jumping. I'm just jumping with strangers having the best time, you know? Yeah, it was great.

Starting point is 02:32:05 It's not something I've ever done in my life. Yeah, I mean, I love like the cockiness, the air. against they're just perfect you know they know they know this is cool as it gets yeah yeah i agree connor mclaughlin asks how did you introduce your kids to hardcore and what role has it played in your relationship as they've grown up none of them are hardcore heads they know that their dad was in a band but that like i laugh because my son will be sitting in the car and i have like my playlist on like it'll be like it'll be like both row or brotherhood whatever it may be and i was like let me turn this down just a little and be like ooh all the way down

Starting point is 02:32:41 they like. Yeah, what are they into? My son is into like just rap. My middle daughter is into like bad rap. And my older daughter, she likes good music. Like she likes like Casey Musgraves, Lana Del Rey, Oasis. Like she's got to, she's got it going up. But the younger ones are into like what the kids like, you know?

Starting point is 02:32:59 Yeah. Yeah. For sure. They may come around. It's not lost cause. Yeah, I got you. What do you think, Porter? is the greatest straight-oge man of all time.

Starting point is 02:33:12 All right. So I'm going to say you today. I mean, obviously, you can say minor threat, right? Can you? You know, people can. People can. Okay, people can, sure. But that's just basically, you know, because of the song and, you know, I mean,

Starting point is 02:33:31 tracks for sure, but. Yeah, but when, dude, I just think with all due respect, I love you so much. I love every song. Yeah. If you denounce the movement, you're out of consideration. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:33:44 Yeah. I mean, you did today, man. You know. What are you going to do? That's it. This? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:33:53 That, yeah. Yeah. Everything. The T-shirts. The T-shirts. The 88. Come on. I was just watching it today.

Starting point is 02:34:03 Like, it's funny. You said, I was watching the Youth of Today video from 86 at CB's. When your friends give you slack and your parents give you slack or what he says, just get off.

Starting point is 02:34:12 Dude. So fucking cool. And that they, I think, I think slap shot, no, there was 89. But they opened for slap shot at CB's. And choke had been very vocal about like, I don't, positive. What is positive? I don't want anything to do with this. That's not for me.

Starting point is 02:34:30 I'm not here to be friends. I'm here to do us. And they play in your face. All of you today is diving. Oh yeah. They didn't give a fuck. Loved it. Slapshot had a cool take on Straight Edge for sure.

Starting point is 02:34:43 Yeah. And you said you read the lyric that can't close my eyes, and you decided you were Straight Edge. Yeah. That record. That's the perfect answer. Wow. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:34:54 Perfect record. Give me the worst question. What did the floor ever do to you? That's not it. I don't even know what to say. You know, like, come on. Brad from Fire Sartre just wanted to say thank you. I appreciate it.

Starting point is 02:35:08 I appreciate the offer. That's my fucking guy, dude. That's my nephew. Hey, how about no warning when they asked you to do the bust? Yeah, it was easy. They did it in Brooklyn at Dean's studio, and I was living in the city. I hopped on a subway right over and did it. You know, I'd met them.

Starting point is 02:35:26 How many takes? Okay. All right. She had to be sure. All right. This is the last question, and it is dumb. But I think it's funny. So this will be the last question before we do our real last question.

Starting point is 02:35:42 As the definitive face of New Jersey Straitage, does vodka sauce get the pass? Yeah, because I think the alcohol burns off, right? Yeah, it's not even in there. Just eat. Eat. Ridiculous concept. Ridiculous. Of course it does.

Starting point is 02:36:00 Yeah, but I have done some weird shit, though. Like, even with these Shirley temples, that we bought for Thanksgiving. My wife made a mistake and bought whiskey-soaked cherries. Now, there's probably no alcohol in there, but I didn't partake in the cherries. I mean, that's kind of weird. I mean, if I had the option to opt out, yes, I would.

Starting point is 02:36:22 But for me, it always comes. What's the function? Do you know how many cherries you would have to eat to get even a little? Yeah, but you know what I mean? It's just weird for someone my age to even think like. Like, why? Yeah, sure.

Starting point is 02:36:32 But I did think, I didn't eat them. But that's just, I don't know. I would name either. Hey, did I, something we do ask people, before we get to the last question, this is a quick one. Hit me. We had the idea to do an episode on September 11th this year of where were you on September 11th? Because certain, like, biohazard put out a record, Slayer put out a record, you know, we had answers. I had heard a rumor that you worked at the World Trade Center, or is that false?

Starting point is 02:37:03 No, fact. Fact. So if you look in the annals of baseball, the Yankees played the Red Sox on September 10th at Yankee Stadium. The game was a rainout. I was there with my wife and some friends. We stayed around like one, two in the morning, had landlined my boss, right? Or cell phone. I forget.

Starting point is 02:37:24 We had cell phone. No text. Cell phone. And say, listen, I'm in the Bronx. It's two in the morning. I'm not coming to work tomorrow. So, you know, full transparency. I worked in four-wheel trade.

Starting point is 02:37:34 which was at it was a eight-story building at the base of the trade center so they were destroyed the towers felled and crushed them but that being said the only you know I would have lived but the trading floor that I was working on like 30 people did die because they were at Windows on the world

Starting point is 02:37:52 for a Dean Winter breakfast so we did have a lot of losses so Mark Matroni who was right next to me like in my booth his brother was Saso, who played on the enforcer demo. Whoa. Small world, right?

Starting point is 02:38:10 Yeah. His father died that day, you know. So, yes, I did work. I have a World Trade Center ID. I was in the towers every day. You know, I took the path train, you know, up to the, into the World Trade Center. But yeah, I called out sick. My wife actually woke me up.

Starting point is 02:38:25 Like, she said, yo, you're not going to believe what's going on. So what I did was I lived, I moved home when I got, I lived in the, city from like 96 to 99 then i moved back 96 to 2000 i moved back from at right after 9-11 to 04 there was a year of 9-11 i lived down back down at the shore because i was getting married and um i went to a ferry terminal by my house and i was like if we see anyone from my work because that a lot of people can then we know if one guy made it out they probably all did and the first guy off the ferry was my dad because he worked at this stock exchange i didn't even recognize him because he was looking for me when the towers fell like a block away

Starting point is 02:39:03 Holy fuck. The towers fell. He was in Zucati Park. He'd behind a planner. Got all fucked up bleeding like white. He came off the boat. I didn't even know it was him. Because he was so like blood, like on his arm's face.

Starting point is 02:39:17 But he sees you. He clocks you right away. Yeah. And I drove him home to Spring Lake. Yeah. It was crazy. Holy shit. I did work there and I did call out sick.

Starting point is 02:39:25 And I did have survivor. I did have survivor guilt. Yeah. Talking to the guys who I'd worked with every day since 94 as they were like walking over the Brooklyn Bridge to go to wherever just to get out of the city. You know, it was crazy. You know, I mean, yeah.

Starting point is 02:39:39 Wow. So that's a longstanding legend. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for sharing. I'm glad you're still with us. That's fucking insane. Yeah. And you know.

Starting point is 02:39:48 Glad your dad made it out of there. Yeah. Yeah. All right. The time has come. We need you to send this off right by sharing Mark Porter's top four hardcore records

Starting point is 02:40:04 of all. all time. Okay, so I'm going to go suicidal tendencies, self-titled. Wow. Thircle jerks, group sex. Wow. Age of quarrel. And I was thinking about this today. I really wanted five. But I'll go victim in pain. Beautiful. There you have it. Little East, little West. Now that's hardcore, right? But don't get me wrong. Like, Sleep Jerusalem is probably one of my most listened to records in my whole life. Oh, I've seen you post that before. You are a big sleep head. You're fascinating guy.

Starting point is 02:40:38 Sleepy head. Love it. Saw them in the 90s. I had the record when he came out. Love them. Yeah. You're the, you're the only guy at the show with spiked hair, blue jeans, and a non-black shirt, probably. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:40:56 Yeah. Unbelievable. There we fucking have it, man. What a chat we've had. Yeah, that's been great. I appreciate your three hours. Oh, man. Thank you so much.

Starting point is 02:41:05 Blue by. Thank you so much for coming on. Awesome, guys. Appreciate it. Any last words to sign off with, to leave the people with? Harkhor's cool, man. You can age out and still check it out from the outside, and you still see what's going on,

Starting point is 02:41:19 and it makes you proud to know where you came from. You know what I mean? The people are still into it and still checking it out. And everyone, you know, who's bought this book and like still like makes me relevant, it's just greatly appreciated. You know what I mean? Beautiful to say.

Starting point is 02:41:32 Beautiful. You can listen to the entire floor discography on streaming. Twin Killing is a collection of the demo and the 7-inch. Fast Times to Jersey Shore. They're one and only LP. 16 songs. And it's like 18 minutes.

Starting point is 02:41:46 So don't worry. You got time. Unbelievable band. Unbelievable legacy. Shining Life Press. Floor Punch No Exceptions book. Everything we've talked about today is covered in here a little bit. Sometimes a lot a bit from various other accounts.

Starting point is 02:42:02 So you've heard Porter's take on stuff today. There's many other points of views in here. All the ops are in here. It's my favorite aspect of the book. 100%. It's genius. A lot of ops in there. A lot of ops in there. So you can hear what they say. Porter, thank you so much

Starting point is 02:42:19 again for joining us. Awesome, guys. Thank you. Thank you all for watching. Thank you all for listening. Listen to Floor Punch. Get the book. Bye. Take care. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.

HardLore - Mark Porter: FLOORPUNCH, 90’s Hardcore, Straight Edge, Death Metal

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