HardLore - MISSING LINK (Mike Ryan & Paul Dove)

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

HardLore is joined by our 2024 Album of the Year Award Winners for a very special in-person episode! Vocalist and Mike Ryan and drummer Paul Dove sat with us at FYA fest and told us all about their personal paths to finding hardcore music, meeting each other, touring and playing in other bands, and eventually starting Missing Link many years later, We go in depth about the making of their incredible debut album “Watch Me Bleed” and get into the inner minds of one of the best hardcore bands going today, and finally get to the bottom of who was peeking in his window. Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepod - Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef Cool links: HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.com Try AG1 at DrinkAG1.com/HARDLORE to receive a free 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 travel packs of AG1. Get 15% off MADD VINTAGE with code HARDLORE15! https://maddvintage.com/ Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW MISSING LINK: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/missinglinkhc/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/MissingLinkHC FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe 00:00:00 - Start 00:01:17 - Intro 00:02:25 - Finding Hardcore 00:08:02 - Viper City 00:09:06 - Barber School, A Phone Charger, and A yoo-hoo? 00:13:28 - Stabbed in the Face 00:19:35 - First Bands 00:32:20 - Paul Meets Bo... 00:36:53 - Creation of Missing Link 00:41:54 - Watch Me Bleed LP 00:52:01 - What's Next? 00:57:50 - GridLink Collab 01:03:27 - Pardon This Interruption 01:07:43 - Top 4 Hardcore Records of All Time 01:11:03 - Aliens 01:18:28 - The Story of New York Minute 01:22:24 - What Are You Eatin'? 01:33:55 - Discord Q&A   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

of New York Minute. I'm like, someone is in my garage. Like, I can hear them in my garage. I'm just clearing my house. And I walk, and I'm just, I just stand still. Like, if you walk in my front door, it's basically the center of the entire house. And I just stand there for like two minutes,

and I hear it. And I'm like, they think I'm in my bed. And I'm like, all right, that's it. And I just open the door, and it's my screen door. So you're telling me Yep The screen door was peeking in your window

Oh Yeah Hello welcome It's hardlord time How are you both I'm feeling great Me too We've got a very special

In-person episode We don't get to do many of these We hand select a special few Today We've got Paul and Mike from missing link Before we get started Guys

We just recorded the Hardlaw Awards We got some news for you. We got some news for you. Watch Me Bleed album of the year. We knew it. I kind of clued Paul and I was like, hey, you might want to stand by for the awards

because you're going to have to say something. So watch me blue it album of the year if you guys want to accept the award formally. We did it. Mom, I did it. Mom? Paul did it. I said in the episode that when you sent it to me,

I immediately was like, this might be. Nick, this might be this year. And it was, I think you sent it to me in maybe 2023. Was it done in 2023? No. No, it was early 2020. Pre-LDB. It was right? We finished it right then. That makes sense. I remember that weekend being like, guys, you got something here. But let's go back in time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't want to, we don't, we're not there. We'll get there. Tell me about you two individually finding Harcliffe. I was 10 years old.

10? Good age. I was 10 years old riding the bus, and I was into Skate. skateboarding and my friend Jason the point who he would never watch this but shout out Jason he had his older cousins earth crisis Gilmar season N CD and I only knew the CD had wrenches on it and I listened to it and I was like this is insane and the only thing I had before that was a I think it was a Huey Lewis in the news sports no it was a it was a my aunt had made it for me. So it was just a bunch of bands. It was a cassette.

Cassette. Best of Huey is ours. And it was, yeah. And it was, it was awesome. But then I heard that and I was like, this is insane. And then there was a place called Reds, Reds Underground. And I went and bought a, uh, it was in Glens Falls, New York. So you had only heard Best of Hugh Lewis and then.

I heard all their music. But so you were like, I'm getting kind of Huey Lewis vibes from this Earth Christ's band. No, I just heard it. And I was like, this sounds crazy. And I had like, heard music and skate. videos and stuff and I think it was fourth grade and we go to the UCD store and it's like as far as the eye I could see just CDs and I went to one table and I went bup up up and I pulled

the Earth Crisis CD out you found it found it's three dollars and then I pulled out a Pantara Far Beyond Driven and that was like my intro to music and then everything after that was like I was like I like this and then I think later that year my brother had an older friend whose mom was kind of irresponsible and brought us to a show your brother tim my brother tim my brother tim saved you up to the masses of all musicians we'll get there the man we'll get up we can yeah so as we did probably all did when we were 16 uh my brother's friend's mother worked at a grocery store with this 16 year old kid who was like flyering yeah yeah And I was like, I'll bring my son and his friends to this.

And it was like a metalcore show in, I'm old. So 98 or 99. And that was it. Literally every weekend they had Sunday matinee shows. Straight up old head nights. And the first like show show I remember was a Candiria show that I went to. Dude, Candiria ran the world. Well, Candiria incision, Fahrenheit 451.

Wow. That is New York. What about you, Mike? my I was in sixth grade so like 11 good age young guys it's crazy yeah my what was your what were your other favorite things when when you were in fourth and sixth grade yeah when you were 11 like discover how girl what was the hockey hockey skateboard skateboarding skateboarding and hockey that's advanced yeah that makes sense though we didn't have a I don't have a sports family they didn't care yeah same

skateboarding was that was old hippie parents but like just skateboarding yeah beautiful and where did where were you growing up Auburn New York so like 30 minutes from Syracuse Okay, okay. So you're both up there. Yeah. Yeah. Upstate, baby. Yeah.

Five one eight. My neighborhood was like me, Shane Woodman from Bitter End. Of course. And my older cousin, Dustin, and then our buddy Sean, we all lived in this like three block neighborhood. And they were like a couple years older and we're like already into hardcore. And I started hanging out with them. And started going to show. It was first show April 20 or 2003.

You got a month too. I have a demo from then. That's why. Would you remember about that? If Hope Dies, which was an awesome band. They're from my hometown. It was them. This band, Eyes Averted.

This band The Devil's Discipline. I thought the Devil's D was going somewhere else. I was like, I'm listening. And then probably someone else, but I don't remember. It was at a Salvation Army in the gym. The Salvo. I think I played there before? Awesome.

Yeah, it was awesome. Like my second show was like it dies today in that gym. Yeah. What were some formative tours? and shows you guys saw that so you can find an Earth Crisis CD all day. But we all know the live experiences where it's like, okay, this is

I found my thing. Yeah, after your Cadiria show and after that show you were just talking about like when, what was the big tour that came through? What made you go, okay, I'll go to another one. Mine was the first one. Yeah, mine was the first one. It was like, this is, because there were shows at this place

called Luna's Underground, which is just the bar that was like in a basement. And the room was probably as big as but there were like rafters you could like hang from and stuff so I'm 10 it's rowdy and I'm like this you could smoke inside and stuff and I was just like you know that that was the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life and then the candira show was like that same month yeah so me and my brother and a couple people went to that and I was like well this is this is it and pretty much from then in in Glens Falls they would do Sunday matinee show so any band like going through Albany

would be like, oh, we'll go 45 minutes north and play there. So I saw like, O.G. Like, Embrace Today on Earth, like, skinless. And then skinless is like from where I'm from. So it's like. So 45 minutes and it's still 518? Oh, yeah, baby.

It's 518 up to Canada. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's big. 518 stretches from like south of Albany up to Canada. Oh, shit. Unity. It's really unifying a lot of zip codes. So, Paul, could you tell me where exactly is Viper City?

Exit 3 off the North Way. Okay, nice. The North Way. Well, actually, the bit is ruined with that because 87 runs from New York City up to Albany, and it's toll, highway, freeway, whatever. When you hit Albany, 87 goes up to Canada, and there's no tolls, it's not like a whatever. So they call that the North Way. and there was no exit three for some reason.

It went one, two, four, five, six to whatever. So when people would ask, creepy. I would go, we would all stay exit three off the north way. And they'd go, oh, oh, for sure. And we would get messages all the time like, yo, I was in Albany. I found what the north way is and there's no exit three. We'd be like, that's crazy.

That's fucking. It's there, dude. These fucking snakes. It's like the ninth green at nine trick from happy. Oh, the hardcore. Oh, that's devastating. Yes. Breaks my heart.

Heartbreaking. Paul, you've been a barber for some time, right? Yeah. That's awesome. Like 12 years? Can you tell me about in barber school throwing a U-hoo at a guy's head? Damn, dude. Right before he went to get you guys, he said, I don't have any Nard war shit.

The U-Hu just came to. Tristan probably told you that. Who? So, Barber School is kind of like county lockup. It's, at least in San Diego, because I went in San Diego. and it was right next to Bell Bowl Park where a lot of homeless people lived but on people's lunches they would go get drunk

down the street jeez so and come back to barber school yeah and so we're chilling and this dude who was in barber school was like at the time 45 years old 50 years old something and he was a student and the long story is I unplugged his phone to plug my phone in to my buddy's charger. That is dirty.

Dude, that's dirty. No, no, no. It was, so it was my buddy's charger. Oh, oh. A friend of this day, my buddy, Chris. And I was like, hey, can I use your charger? And he goes, yeah, I don't know whose phone is connected to it. He goes, but you can use it.

So he said, cool. He threw the first stone. Oh, so I said, this dude comes back drunk and he is like, who unplugged my phone? I was like, oh, I did. And he's like, he's like, why? He's like, my phone, whatever. He's yelling. and I'm like, well, is Chris's charger or whatever?

And he said some shit and I went to kind of stand up and he, you know, if you're like here and someone kind of taps you, I just went, all right. And I had just cracked a crispy can. It was a can. Oh, can. Bottle would have killed him. Oh, yeah. Glass bottle would have killed him. Krispy can, but it was open.

And I was like, all right, do I smoke this dude? or so I from like two feet away just threw a full can of yuhoo at his face and it hit him in the face no tristan described so my source described it as insane accuracy yeah and I felt really bad because there was a guy getting his haircut like two couple seats down and he got some yu-who on him but then it dude it was like because you know it is was it not a free cut to begin with no it's five bucks no yeah that's still bargain you know like we're used to the yeah yeah we're used to the yeah You know, shit popping off. Barber school is not.

But my buddy Chris is kind of like from the streets or whatever. So it was like me, Tristan, and Chris like ready to go. And everyone was like, yo, these guys are really chill up until right now. And the guy in this robe just like. Yeah.

And you're never more vulnerable than when you got the motherfucker. What color shirt was the guy who you got? I actually remember it was baby blue. Yeah, that's going to ruin. That would be disgusting. That is going to ruin. He got suspended

And we got sent home. Not me. Well, because they loved us. Yeah. They loved us in Barber School. And he got sent home for a couple weeks. And then when he came back,

he like, me and Tristan and Chris, he came up to like, be like, hey, blah, blah. We just like big dicked him. We're like, no. No. Fuck you. Go get me a Yoooooo.

I should have put a Yoooo on this. You should. You like, I love you. You know that's a chocolate drink. It's a chocolate. call it chocolate beverage it's like chocolate it's water it's hot yeah i don't like it either i got a i got like a chunky one-well hey i'll drink and that ruined it i'm like i i want you to know i got nothing for you that's okay and it shows what a mystery inside of an enigma you are or yeah that's kind of it boring he's boring

but i've heard you have a kind of a crazy life could you tell me about it in what i don't know that's all i know is somebody says it's just us here no one else is watching this it's just Around the world. Don't worry about it. Somebody has said, you should talk to my man. His life's insane. Well, can be insane because he's so normal. I think maybe like...

You look super normal. Take that hat off and show him on normal. You my God. Wow, that is a beautiful head of. He really is. Put it back on. Yeah, I'm going to put it back on. Put it back on.

I don't know. I think maybe... Like, I've definitely had some crazy events happen. But I think, like, it's not... Like, to me, it's just been part of my life, so I don't really view it as crazy. If it happens to you, it's like, oh, that was crazy today. Could you tell me about one? Oh, like, I got stabbed.

Statutes up. Oh. That's not great. In face. In the face? Yeah, like, you can't see it because the surgeon, I don't know what his name was. Shout out to that guy. I basically got stabbed, like, in the corner of my mouth, and it's like under.

There's like a, you can probably see a scar. Dude, they did. Great work. Worse. You got to get his name. I know. He was really mad at me because it was at, like, 3.30 in the morning. They'd, like, call.

him in. He was like, traumatic. He had to leave his palatial estate. Dude. Yeah. No, he was on fixing another hospital. He had to drive like a mile. I don't know who, who texted me about that. I was like, yo, Mike got stabbed in the face tonight. And I was like, is he alive? And it's like, yeah. I was like, yeah, he's good, but it's kind of gnarly. And I just went, dope.

Yeah, it was like, it's like, it's. I'll show you. I'll show you a picture of the wound. Here's, yeah, here it is. fucking stab face. Yep. That was awesome. What did that feel like? To be honest, I didn't feel like anything.

The drama. Yeah. And then I walked to my now wife, we weren't together at the time, I like turned around and she was standing there. It was basically like, do you want to ride to the hospital? And I just was like, no, I'm going to walk.

I just like started walking like a cool, I know. Yeah. That's straight up. Is that your meet cute? No. Before that, I hollered at her like hard. first time I ever met her. And I'm like,

anyways. You'd think she sees me get stabbed and just, you know, whatever. But she, like, you know, she had my number. She's a real one. And I walked in, a buddy actually picked me up and brought me, like, he's like, you're not walking,

dude, you're bleeding everywhere. And the hospital's like half a mile away. So I get there, whatever. I'm sitting there. They bring me in the back. And they're like, don't open your mouth because it's holding on by like a thread. Oh, yes, sir.

And you went, I was like, all right. And then they, the guy brings me in. And he's like, I go look at it. I'm like, okay. And he's like, don't open your mouth unless, you know, whatever.

And the first thing he does is tips my head back, opens my mouth and just takes two fingers. And it didn't split, but I was like, ah. And he just takes a needle and starts injecting me with novocaine or whatever. And so, like, actually getting stabbed was fine. The surgery sucked. And then the next day was Thanksgiving. And my face from the surgery was like eyes swollen shut. And I have to call my mom.

No fixings. Well, actually, first I called my dad. Yeah. And they're not together, but, like, they're cool. Sure. And my dad's, like, kind of a street guy. So I'm like, hey, some crazy stuff happened last night, whatever. He's like, what happened?

I was like, oh, I got stabbed. He's like, you did. Finally, really? And, you know, I didn't tell my mom was like, I'm just not coming, you know, for Thanksgiving. Because they don't, they live in Auburn still. I live in Rochester. And, yeah, healing was, like, brutal, really bad. How long?

Only a couple weeks, but like it was, it was, you have to like drink this nasty shit and like they treat stab wounds like very seriously. Was the hardest part emotionally missing Thanksgiving dinner? It wasn't. I don't like Thanksgiving. Now, hold on. You don't like eating eight pounds at three p.m.? We'll get there. The interesting, not really interesting, but like I started getting like hit up by people that were like, yo, I heard you got stabbed.

That's so hard. And I'm like, no, it's not. Because, first of all, I lost, apparently. I didn't know I was in the fight, but I lost. And it's not hard to, like, have someone do something. Like, it would have been hard if the guy stabbed me and then I, like, tombstone pile drops. Yeah, that would have been hard as a kid.

So I just was like, I don't change the story. You can say whatever. Steve and edit that. Okay. But no, I just, like, stuff like that has happened to me. Yeah. And not just specifically to me, but, like, to people that I grew up with, like, crazy stuff, but when it's part of your life, I don't view it as

I view it as tiring. That's how I, I'm like, I don't want to deal with it. So I'm going to ask you something that maybe a lot of people in your life don't ask you. You okay? I'm great. Okay. I'm awesome. You let me know.

I'll be right here. Don't let it, don't put them in the blender. No, no. I wouldn't know. No. Oh, if I get tilted. He'll fall apart. Okay.

Real quick. You seem. He'll fall apart real quick. It's your call of duty squad is. who has told me that your life is insane. Oh, is it the gridiron dudes? It's some grid, little, little Brody, you know. Uh-huh.

They've heard some things. Yeah, but it's, I don't know. To me, it's just normal. It's probably the same as like Brody telling stories that are just wrestling shit. Sure. And you're like, what? What do you mean you broke your jaw?

Yeah, I think that that's, when it's part of your life, it just is what it is. And then the only thing that has really happened to me from that is like I just want to avoid that stuff. So maybe I was just too stupid to avoid her. Is it silver lining that you met your now wife? You said? Yeah, I mean, yeah.

You had your second meet cute. Yeah, but that's... You had your meat ugly. Did that brought you together? Oh, like me getting stabbed. Is that what brought us together? No, I was like dating another girl with a lot. And I was like, and like, honestly, part of it was like, I can't take a ride from her because my

now girlfriend already thinks that I like her. Which I did. Yeah. Now you're married. So, that's an arson. And, like, we're married with a kid and, like, we'd be together for, like, eight years. So the moral is get stabbed. Here's the thing.

The first lady that sees you after the stab. You lost the fight, though. You did. But, to be honest, I made the golden rule mistake, which is don't try to help. So, like, all these people are fighting, and I just, like, this guy's, like, going to die. Oh. So I pick him up. I'm like, I got him.

I pick him up, and I, like, carry him over to this, like, little kind of, like, alleyway park. thing and as I stand up from putting him down his buddy like ran up behind stemmed from behind which is cowardly got the back though didn't I oh no no now you're talking I'm just kidding it was like what I was gonna say it was over like 10 years ago yeah way longer yeah tell me about your first bands I was gonna yeah when did music come around now oh who is older you're your brother my brother he's a year older he's a year old was he already into music no uh my two uncles on my mom's side

they played in the bar band their entire life so it was like he's got tattoos he's the coolest guy ever he plays guitar and so my brother was like I'm going to play guitar and I have to I can't play guitar as well so I was like I'll play drums

because my other uncle plays drums too the cursed with the the cursed roll and it was like we went I think I joined the school band for drums in fourth grade What did you do on drums in the school?

You hit the big symbol? I played whatever. It was kind of fucked up. I think about this, like, the way they would let you do percussion was you had to hit, like, the big bass drum. Yeah. And then you would keep time, and then the band instructor would play, like, a little rudiment thing. He would do the dope shit. And if you could keep time, you were allowed to do percussion.

And I was like, yo, what if I fucked up at our... And you know, I'm a savannah, and you don't even know. Yeah, right. And, like, but, really, it was like me and my brother, my brother was there for everything. Like, all of our, like, his first show was my first show, too. So it was like, it was that. And then it was like, well, these guys are in a band. We could do a band.

So we started a band called, it was my brother's favorite band in Zblink 1282. And the singer of the band's favorite band was Nirvana. So it was, I think. Blinkvana. Oh. And that started to. I've never even heard this one. And that turned into bliss.

Bliss is sick. It was Bliss for a while. And we, dude, we played a, we played just straight up hardcore shows. Really? Yeah. Oh yeah, we were, we were playing, we played our first show. I was out of sixth grade. We just played a show.

Whoa. That's cool. That's awesome. Yeah. Mike, what was your first band? I did a bunch of like, kind of jamming with people that like, but never did anything, never really, like, played shows. You were always the frontman?

No, a drummer. Oh, really? But like, like, um. horrible one let's see it last be can't do it man that's a shame that's pretty good

I mean I believe you yeah yeah I believe you now yeah right but I uh you better fucking watch out of yeah I ended up joining a band that was already like going because

our buddy in my hometown got into a motorcycle accident playing drums what is that sacred pledge um vegan straight oh shit

xvX yeah to this day no oh dude that's the one of the manners when you weren't vegan anymore he used to have a tattoo

that said vegan power but he was respectful and he was like well not vegan anymore I gotta get it blacked out but he for a while

just had vegan blacked out so it just said power and I was like not a great look a little sussie bud you know and that would be fine under normal circumstances

but you look like you yeah he didn't have long hair then I And I was like, shave head. And that hair looks like what? Can you remind me one more time? Absolutely gorgeous.

And is the next home alone shooting? Yes, that'd be cool, wouldn't it? Yeah, if you were a young, young Marf. But yeah, I did that. And it was honestly very short-lived because the guys in the band just didn't get along. And we did a couple tours, but it was... Did you point at me? No, my bad.

I interrupted you. I apologize. No, you're good. Why didn't you do any tours or anything? No, we did some tours. You did some. But you beefed. But we were young.

I got along with everybody. But Reggie, who you guys probably know. Reggie McAfee? Yeah. Oh. He played bass. So his first band was my husband. Yes.

Unbelievable. Reggie was in Backtrack and he was vegan. And straight out was. Yeah, so Reggie and our singer, Shane, did not. Just the eye to eye, like literally at all. And we were crazy kids. Sure. So, like, I dropped out of school.

to tour with sacred pledge, which is hilarious. Mom's sacred pledge is popping off. I can't do the same one. I was already like skipping school, whatever. But I like, I literally remember the day that I left. I left it like a garbage bag full of clothes. I like didn't even own a bag. Whoa.

And my mom was like, where are you going? I was like, ah, I don't know. I figured it up. But I would call her and yeah. Every day I would call her and she'd be like, I'll come pick you up wherever you know. Oh, that's a good mom. I'm like, yeah, okay, I don't even know where I am. But it was like short, I would be like, I'm like, but it was like short, I'm.

runs like a week or maybe two weeks but uh it was fun I loved it when did you two meet or it during like that time we play I my old band played with sacred Pledge my old band was yes say it recon yeah yeah we played a sacred pleasure drum fill enter here you time played it tonight and then we really met I lived in Buffalo for a couple years you been and and all over the place, man. I know. And I moved to Buffalo.

He lived in Buffalo, and then we ended up working at the most insane, scary nightclub ever. Yeah. That was just... Yeah. I worked there for a while,

and like the last month I lived in Buffalo, we worked together there, and it was like, it was like fight school every day. Straight up. Like Roadhouse? It was... It was like Roadhouse,

but with, like, gang members. It was crazy. Pretty cool. But, uh, No, no. But then we, we connected because. I was filling in. He was filling in for CDC on tour in Europe.

And we did. You did one of those? We did a world game. You served your time in CDC. You played drums? Loved it. No, sang. You sang.

So the first tour I ever did, CDC took Sacred Pledge out. And then Sacred Pledge became CDC? No, Kaelin left the tour, like unannounced halfway through to go to Disney World with his mom. Oh, he'll do that. So John was like, yo, can somebody fill in? And I was like, I could rap? I could fill in. And I did.

And then years later, he literally just called me out of the blue, like hadn't talked to him in like two years or something. Like, we always stayed in contact. I was like, hey, we got to do this Europe tour and whoever's, you know, not going to do it. Do you want to do it? And all I wanted to do was go to Europe. Of course. And I was like a loser from upstate New York. Like, yeah, I want to go to Europe.

We did that. Was it just us two? Sergio Fury. Oh, no, that was a different tour. Oh, yeah. It was World of Pain. No, it was Us Three. They played some shows with us.

Yeah. Awesome. man. Surge of Fury, yeah. I went back through your entire Instagram, just so you know. And the early posts are you talking about Sergei Fury.

Yeah. It's some handsome selfies with no captions that are kind of pixelated. And beautiful pictures of your dog. Yes. That's cool. Yeah, my old dog. RIP.

All right. All right. Still with us. I did have this thing where I was just like, I have too many pictures on here. Yeah. And some of them I'm like, yeah, in 2014, this was okay to

post. Yeah. But I don't want my, like, my friend, like, doing something weird on here or whatever, so I just deleted a lot of stuff. Sure, yeah, no, that's good. You love some good stuff. Some quality. I liked what I saw. Yeah. I got nothing. I found out you were in CDC from that, though. Yeah. Dude, I, like... I'm surprised you left that.

That I left... I'm just kidding. Dude, I love... We can't dog CDC. No. I love John Bowes. Oh, he's... The court, like, the real guys, since I was a kid. They took my band on tour when we were like 16. John is one of the most

supportive people, I think, historically I've ever met. He's a bully. He is a bully. I met John Bose when I was 12. He had an old band called Ellipsis. And they came...

This was the vibe of the town I grew up in. This band came called Elipsis to play a matinee show and they're giving out burn CDs. So as 12, 13 years old, we were like, we're going to listen to this in the car and learn the words.

Fuck yeah. It's awesome. It's a surprise. them whatever because it was because they had this song that had this big sing-along into some pit or whatever

and I remember John we learned it and it was probably like 20 of us like piling out to sing to this band that's never played

Glens Falls New York ever I remember after the show John was like how the fuck did you guys know was like oh we learned it in the car

yeah we all banded together yeah and he was like oh and I've been he's been my dog that would make me love whoever and we've done

I mean I've played recon, CDC, swear to God, weekends were, and Pale Horse was like every weekend. John Bose of CDC and Cold Cuts merch, original drummer of daylight and now known as Super Heaven, aka number one

trending song. I would love to tell people my friend was in that band, you know. Like, I swear to not. Because kind of Normies come in to my barbershop and they're like talking about like, oh, you play in a band, have you ever heard this band? And I'm like, I love Super Heaven.

And I'm like, you know. My friend. No big deal, but I used to tour with the guy who played drums for them. Did you do anything with CDC out Chicago way? I did. I don't think I did. We did play a show together in Europe. Really?

That was like the worst show. I think it was in Munich. You don't say. Do you remember what year? Dude, it was a long time ago now. Oh, yeah, you guys hate Europe. But, uh, we don't. It was a weird, like, corner stage.

really like six foot tall stage Munich in Munich yeah did they play I don't know no they had the other guy with him because I remember he had a booger Travis Bennington

no no I love Travis we love there's a famous picture of him with the booger there wasn't him it was another guy was another guy saying he had a booger

and I just remember thinking like I gotta walk away this guy and I'm not telling him do you remember we played Munich in the corner stage and CDC did play one of the show 2013

and the singer had a that would make sense that had a massive couldn't have been me No, it was not you. I remember his face forever because of the book. There was a CDC played that heist of the videos I've sent you recently where like Chris is moshing and I'm washing. And there's my friends found me moshing to CDC.

Have you ever talked about CDC this much? No. This is getting edited out. Stephen? Stephen. He's right there. Tell me about a world of paint. Paul?

I know all about it, but tell them about it. World of Pain was a band for San Diego. I moved to San Diego in 2011, 2012, and their drummer, Ryan, who now plays drums in Mongrel, is a brewer for beer or whatever. It was very popular. Well, Noah was the first drummer. Connor, the singer for Mongrel.

He exited the band. Noah being Noah wanted to sing for the band. So he started doing that. And I love Noah, but I also don't. And so they had a couple different drummers, I think. And then Ryan played drums for them. And then he just like couldn't. He's got kids and stuff.

And then I moved to San Diego. And I helped them write a song. And they were like, you play drums how we want the drummer to play. And so you just do it. So then I recorded with Taylor. Was that the LP? No, that was a, before that the EP, improvised. Oh, okay.

Improvise. Yeah, and then I just did the band from then on. That's how I got you. Yeah, it was fun. I was like at Taylor's, I don't remember, I don't recall the story. He was telling about some upstate band. And I was like, you're telling it wrong. That's not how that happened.

That's awesome. And he was like, not in a dickhead. way like no shade i was like i was like no i was like actually it was this and then this happened and then this happened he's like really i was like well i was there so that's that's exactly how that happened and he's like oh okay cool he's like where you from and i was like upstate new york and he's just like really yeah i'm from like a little bit why from viper city from viper city the thing is is is my dad was a professor at rPI and troy so me and my brother went to shows and Troy from babyhood to...

That's something that you and I have bonded over, I feel. I mean, come on. In these many years. You want to talk about how you and I met in San Diego? You almost caught it. Bad. I was upset. You have a right to be upset.

I was... I don't buy this. It's just so un-liking. Listen. Before we get into it, the funny thing about it is, our listeners know that this is like a pattern. Apparently, I have very bad first impression. So it's a I'm aware of it now. Also this story has been told on the podcast before because I heard it from but not by by you. I want to hear it from the horse from this is exactly what happened. I don't know I think it was a were you on tour down and nothing? No it was a life and death tour. That's what it was. Yeah. The tour was sold out. It was in Chula Vista. Yeah, weird venue weird venue. I had never been there so I didn't know the wide one I it was the only show I ever went to there. So I didn't know the staff. I didn't know the staff. I didn't know. I didn't know the staff. I didn't know.

who booked it and it was like if it was a normal show I could have just gone and figured it out figured it out but I hit my brother up and I was like hey do you work with any of these bands the show sold out I don't want to bug anybody can you just do your thing and he was like yeah sure I work with Bo he's cool just that and third so you get a you get a text from Tim probably an email actually even at the Tim and you're immediately like I got to put the sky call on it's Tim's brother yeah mind you this has happened before not with you but with other people where they have gotten me into a show and I always try and be as polite as I can and say thank you for getting me in. I don't want to bug you.

Move on. You're a great guy. And I get to the show. Do not believe me. It sounds like you're doing a really nice thing. And I'm like who's about to play and they're like Harmsways setting up right now. I was like, oh, bet. I kind of knew what you looked like.

Well, I wasn't sure. So I was like you were. But it was either me or Jay. Right. So it was like you four feet in front of me. Yeah. And I was just like, hey, are you ball? And you're like, yeah.

And I go, hey, I'm Tim Doves brother. You got me in the show. Thank you. And you go, okay. Literal guitar on. And you go, okay? And I just went, all right. At the time, at the time, listen, at the time, I'm full psychopath.

And so like, just in my life. Yeah, yeah. Like, and I'm, and I literally went, I go, okay. And I walked outside and I text my brother and I go, how bad is this going to look? And he goes, please no. And I go, okay. Timmy. And then I don't know.

Someone else was with me who was like core adjacent but also kind of not at all was like, what are we doing? And I'm like nothing. I feel like there had to have been in this communication. What year was? Listen, they're probably. 2014. I don't know. 14 or 16.

It was more the two. There probably was a miscommunication. He was probably like, okay. And I was like... Or he had earplugs in? No, he didn't. Or... Paul suspected his ears after.

Or... There was something going on with my band. That was a really rough tour where a van died. It didn't die yet, I don't think. But that was a very tumultuous tour. Regardless, bigger man. Bigger man. I was

I was like, I'm gonna fucking smoke this dude. Oh man, I'm so glad you. And then I was like, I gotta grow up. That's fine. I just think if you'd have asked anyone, they would have been like... I did, listen. Because my...

Oh, no. Good, good friend, John Hollier is very good friends with James. Yeah. And I remember being like, John, what's up with Beau? Yeah. And he was always like, He's cool. Fine.

He's like, he'll be like, I don't really don't know. I'm super well, but he's cool. Yeah, yeah. He's always been nice. And I'm like, all right. So then we saw you, me and John saw you at the casino. And where were we? In Tampa.

Two years ago. FYA. The circle is true. And he told me the story. And I was like, nah, that wasn't me. And I was straight up like, there's no way that was me. I feel like I thought this story happened in like 2008. I know.

Like it feels ancient. I guess that is 10 years ago. Yes, it's a while ago now. I saw a tweet. the other day that just said, just saw a YouTube video that said posted five years ago. That was 2020 and not 2015. Yeah. And that's a disgusting perspective.

I turned. Oh, shit. So a couple years later, Missing Link is born. Let's get into it finally. Two days later. Missing Link, unbelievable band, came out of nowhere. Tell me about the creation, the dawn of Missing Link. COVID.

Oh, cool. Our good friend Victor, he organized everybody. He sent me some songs and he said, I recorded this, let's do it. And I was like, who's going to be in the band? And he was like, what do you mean? He was like, me, you, Evan from separated because World of Pain had done a bunch of stuff was separated. And let's get, or no, he was like, well, us three off the rip. And I was like, okay.

And then I texted Evan. And I was like, can you kind of rework these songs so we could put it out or something? And he's like, yeah, sure. It's like, okay. And then it was who's going to sing? And I was like, I toured with Mike Ryan one time. And he's my dog. So we should have him do it.

And he was like, we need base. So this was a Paul, Paul, you threw Mike's name in the hat. Yeah. He also convinced me to go to barbering school on that Europe tour. Listen to us. He's, don't listen to anything. He is a piece of crap. I'm a nice person.

It sounds like he's a nice guy. I don't know why you're a good guy. Can't believe I was such an asshole. When it comes to me telling you how it is, I will. But I'll do anything for anybody. Not anybody, my friends. Right. He even didn't beat up bow.

Oh, dude, I was so mad. But you had a right to be mad. I would have been mad too. No, not really. It wasn't that big of a deal. I was just really mad. So basically, it was us and then Nick. Nick, killer.

From Pain of Truth. Right. Which, like, at the same time, we're, like, record, they're recording their EP. And we're just recording, like, a demo. Yeah. Yeah. Lumpy takes the pain of truth, whatever. We didn't even try to shop the demo, I think.

We just put it out literally, worst luck ever. Yeah. July 3rd, God's Hate Release Day. Wasn't it God's hate, put out a song or something? Or maybe, like, a record that day. It was April 2021, I think. March 2021. What, I don't remember,

I don't remember, I don't remember what got released, like the same day. Something, something we did was like, I was like, how the fuck does this happen on the same day?

The whole year. It wasn't me. And not even like a band that's popular. It's like the biggest band at the time. Okay, did something. It wasn't me.

What do you mean? It wasn't me. It wasn't, July 3rd? Whatever it was. I've never done nothing on July 3rd. Save it all for the 4. It's my mom's birthday.

Is it? July 4th. I've only celebrated Paul's mom's birthday. I didn't do nothing in this one. But basically it was just like, oh. And actually the demo still did fine. Yeah, when we put it out, I don't recall what got put out, but we got smoked. We buy it.

I could swear it was something from God's hate. I'm like, I'm a fan. 2021? Was that the year of COVID? I don't know. No, that was just 2020. 2021, our record came out in March 8. I don't got nothing in July.

I don't know, dude. Look. I mean, it wasn't me. I don't know. We're blaming Gautier. So I did it. It was... It was...

It was... No, it was so... We put that out. We didn't play any shows because we couldn't. And, uh... What was it? Oh, our first show...

Was a benefit. It was a benefit. Our buddy's wife passed away. And we played a benefit show in Rochester. And then Detroit was Shattered Brown. It was our second show. It just brought us out. It's awesome.

And Joe was like came off to me after he was like, yo you guys blew me away. I want to bring you to Philly. Nice. And I was like, well. Don't show. Yeah. Cool. You know, that's awesome.

That's great. And he did. I kind of didn't think he was gonna. Yeah. He kind of just was like, why would he pick us? Why, you know, like you. Because you're really good. At the time?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well. Demmo's good. You don't got a lie. I'm not lying. I don't believe.

I like a track. But. I don't like it from. the start to the finish. Really? I like that one. So I don't like anything I've ever recorded as a band with the exception of our record that we put out.

That's beautiful. Like I can't, any recon stuff. Actually, we have the pre-pro stuff we've never put out that I like. And I like that. But any World of Pain stuff can't listen to. Is that out of, because of your personal performance? Everything about it. Sonically and song structure and everything.

It's like, I just don't even like this bit. I don't. I just hate it. I will say when we recorded the LP at the end, Paul was like, guys, I just did the first record I've ever liked. Like, I like, like, this record, I'm proud. I'll put it on. You should know, you should be.

I put it on all the time. It's really good. You did a really good job. Open and yeah, let's talk about the record. Let's get into it. Recorded in February or January? End of January, first week of February. Yeah, at Bricktop.

That's right. Yeah. The man. How did you find that experience? Amazing. He's, yeah. So we, we, Evan wrote 95% of the record.

Sick. Killa is in the biggest hardcore band in the world right now. So he, he wrote New York Minute. He wrote all of New York Minutes. So actually, he, he, me and him wrote New York Minute and it was very different.

And then he tried to steal it from the Pain of Truth record and was like, it's too heavy. So we're not going to use it. And I was like, brother, that's a good song. We need this. We're writing a record right now.

So we got it. But he wrote that. I think Chris has a couple riffs on the record, but Evan pretty much wrote everything, programmed the drums so I could like... Really? That's one of those, Trash. He does it all.

He's amazing. Does he ever program something that pisses you off? Always. Is he a drummer? A drummer wouldn't play? No, he's a guitar player. We were just talking about that. China, high hat, snare, kick Tom at the same time.

Awesome. Yeah, if you could pull it off, that'd be pretty cool. But yeah, he basically, we went back and forth a lot, just him sending it and being like, what if you did this? And same with Mike. And I think I went to Long Island one time to run through some shit. And then we went to the studio. And then Andy was like, he was like, you've recorded with Andy. Yeah, many times.

Was like, hey, you want to get some breakfast and kind of like just chop it up a little bit? Yeah. And we're like, yeah. So we sit down. I order my mozzarella sticks at 7.30 in the morning. Fuck, yeah. Normal. Do you take you to White Palace?

The place right around the corner. Yeah. Oh, yeah. White Palace. We were there. Triple D went there. Oh. What did you get?

Couldn't tell you. We went there every day. It's open 24 hours. And was through COVID, so. Yeah. He was like, he's like, so how you? He goes, how are you feeling about the record?

And I mean, you guys have talked to me before I go, I've never played the songs. and he goes huh and I go no seriously I was like I've never played

all of this I was like I've played four of them and he was like really and I was like yeah and he was like

he his face was scared yeah it was like how are we gonna get this done yeah and then I tracked all the drums

in a day yeah he had to come on he didn't know I went somewhere I was like I got to the gym I'm like stressed out

because we had never done any of this stuff I'm writing everything and then like songs are I'm not kidding they didn't send me new demo versions of songs that are now different so I can't record

because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing yeah and you don't need singer nitpicking drums you know on recording day I wouldn't no it wasn't that it was like hey remember how you wrote lyrics for this song that's like two minutes long we added 35 seconds to the yeah yeah it's like

I'm I feel like I'm pretty wordy and it's like in my mind the song has to make sense So I'm like, oh, you can't just delete 30 seconds, dude. What do I do now? Yeah, yeah. Story has changed. So every day, literally, so every day I was like going to the gym, quads.

Oh. Amazing gym. Damn, yeah. Chugging a gorilla mind energy drink and kind of lifting but mostly writing. I was done. Now through scratch and tracks. Sure. You know, and then go and be like, I think I got two songs done, you know?

And then like, so I'm like, I had a ton of stuff written, but piece of things. stuff together and like to the new versions of songs that I've like literally never heard. Did you do vocals in the little guitar sliding glass room or in the big room? Big room, yeah. I love that studio. Yeah, it was amazing. He, I didn't

understand, I didn't know he played a nachos and I love that band and like I kept hearing all of these recordings coming out of the studio and I'm like one, why does all the heavy parts sound to whatever band sound insane? The drum production is so cool like this is sick

and then it was like oh it plays guitar and we get nachos and I was like oh he gets heavy music okay and then his like repertoire of who he's recorded is insane I sat down with him

like the first day after they track drums and he was like talking about some band and I was like oh have you ever heard this band he's like oh I recorded that record and that happened like 50 like there's a band from Chicago called Lord Mantis that I love we love Lord Mantis so we asked him to do the disarmory tour we couldn't afford

Yeah, we That is a level of, like, yeah, now you see where I'm coming from. Yeah, that's the shit that I fuck with it. And the record, he did rock.

Dude. Dude. Did he do death mask? He did the one after that. Yeah. But to me, I was, dude,

is one of the hardest parts. Dude, he turned me on a Lord Manza's a couple years ago, and I was like, I have to like, I'll be driving like six hours home from the overnight. And I'm like scrolling to what to listen to and I'm like, we're not going here tonight.

No, like, like, this is going to get, way too dark. That's not a ban I talk about because I plan on stealing that part someday. I don't want to go to know that. We've already sold it, dude. They practice in our

practice space. They're in the same building. The first, not the... They just sit outside and you're like... No, dude, that's the other thing is they're just like phantoms. They're rare. I've barely seen... Is the same guy? Yeah. Dude. That guy's a sick. Controversial guy. Yeah, I don't know anything about it. I just know

sounds fucked up. We've done six records with Andy, or six recordings. I'm jealous. Like all the, all the, the, earlier ones. Did he ever take you to Jim's original pork chop sandwiches? He wanted to I think but there was like I'm dying We broke his like

his cardinal rule of don't play a show Oh that weekend and we played two and one day so On Saturday. But we were done But we were done so. But we didn't know we were We we fucked up And so sorry Andy we thought we were supposed to be done completely

by Saturday but Andy We just fucked the dates up and it was actually like the end of Sunday. So we booked this show in in Chicago and it sold out in like an hour in this really tiny room and then it's like let's do another bigger one same night. So like

you think? He's like yeah and then that one sold out and it was awesome. Fuck yeah. And he's like he wasn't mad at us he was like you know it happens he's like but I need you guys to come. He was mad until the drums were done when he got well because Evan used

to own a studio and Long Island. Very good. Well done. He used to, so he is a recording pro. And it was just me, Evan, and Mike until like Thursday.

So it was like, when the drums were done and Evan was just like a take machine, I think Andy was like, it's cool you guys. Yeah, okay. Yeah, cool. It was, we were ahead of schedule, I think. Even me, like, I was really worried my voice wasn't going to hold up.

And, you know, it was like, I think I did three songs the first day. and then from there was like two or three every day. The way he splits it up was cool. Yeah, he did, like I was really, because I feel like I've done demos before where I was like my voice just blown in like 10 seconds. Sure.

But recording with him is such a, everything was right. And I kind of made sure I did everything that I could to, you know. And how hands on was he with the record? Because you said it was very thoroughly demoed. You had played the songs once. As far as like producing. Or nunts for some of them, yeah.

In terms of like song structures or. how they turned up. Not really song structure almost at all. There was a couple things that I came and I was like,

yo guys, we're playing this for like two minutes like no. And he could literally sit there and then like one saying like I deleted the whole thing. Oh isn't that great? I'm like what?

I thought we had to retract everything. You recorded to a click? No. Really? My man. So. But to be able to delete something so clean is crazy.

But I asked him and I said hey, I'll record to a click or I won't record to a click. I prefer without because I think it sucks the vibe out of it. The vibe's gone.

Yeah. And he was like, we can do whatever. And I go, cool, no click. But then we re-recorded Tucson, which was recorded to a click. And we reused Brody's guest spot from the old one. Did you have to morph it a little? No. No.

Wow. I asked Andy and I go, hey, did you have to massage that in? He goes, not at all. And I was like, I'm the fucking man, dude. Metragamas. You know, I texted Brody and I'm like, hey, would you be down to this? He's like, of course, but I'm this busy. We're like really trying to get the record out.

And I said, well, hey, we have this still. We found the stems. I think Taylor had the stems. And. No. Yeah. No, because he, Taylor didn't record him. Didn't he mix it?

No. He did mix it. The studio in. Georgia or something? Detroit, where he recorded it. Some random studio I found on the internet. They said it over. have time before my whatever.

He's like, I'll go do it. That's awesome. And he was like, I will re-record it. And I was like, well, we have this. Let's just see what it sounds like. He's like, I think I'm going to prefer to re-record it, but whatever. And then I sent it to him. He's like, oh, it's perfect.

It's perfect. It's perfect. Andy, which I don't think he'll mind me sharing this now, quit smoking clean turkey, which is fucking crazy because he's like. Cold turkey because he's clean now, cold turkey. I like clean turkey. During recording, it would be like. Like, a couple tracks, chimney inside.

A couple tracks, chimney inside. He was on the jewel, but he quit the jewel too. He quit everything. It's really impressive. I'm very proud of. Good for you, Andy. Very proud of him. He's the coolest guy.

Any band that's like, we're going to record a bricktop? I'm like, I'm so jealous, dude. I'm like, I just want to go hang out in the loft. I don't think I don't remember him. Really? Yeah. He is the nicest guy. Yeah.

Niceest guy ever. So the recording experience. was great. Watch Me Bleed is the album of the year on the most prestigious award show. We did it. Online. What else can you tell me about putting the record together? What else can you tell me about the tours that Missing Link has done since the record has been out? We did one tour ever. Nice. In Europe. Hell yeah. Is that the Triple B Super Tour? Grid Iron, us, never ending game, Scarab, magnitude, best tour ever. Big tour. That was the summer? This summer. Right. So we were really trying to rush to get the record out so we

when we toured it was in support of it right and it worked because we put it out like a month to the day before we left i think and we played yper together yeah played yper but i was but you were not there i was with you he was and it was cool because we we the first day of tour was outbreak or the second second day of tour was outbreak fest and our set was in like people sent like this thing like was not a sing-along band really at all prior to yeah this record like you know you'd get a couple kids but it's like for me that's what i always want the most of like of course mashing school but it's like i like the pile on your lyric man yeah especially for like a heavy band because that's kind of rare yeah and oh 100% and so it's like to me that's cool because i'm like oh people get both halves

i mean also too there's a that tour was cool because we've all done a million tours and there's always like, oh man, like this dude's acting kind of funny today, like he's in a bad mood or whatever. Everyone on that tour vibes were skyrocketing every single day. Like everyone

Which was amazing. And you guys hate touring Europe. Well, I've never done it in a certain sense. And you guys did it on a bus, right? We did it on a bus. Which makes a lot of experience. I've never had that experience. And everybody was like it was a lot of the guys first

time in Europe. So the energy. And they were super, everybody was just grateful to be there. Even like, that was my third time in Europe. And I was like, this is so cool. I think I would feel that way if I went back. I went full, I've gone, I don't want to say full circle, but like, I've been there a bunch. And now at my old age, I will not say how old I am. I'm like there and I'm like, brother, we're in fucking, we're a loser-s.

We're in a cool Switzerland right now. I did not appreciate it when I was. And that was the thing. When I was 18, 19, going there, I was like, man, it's crazy. I'm here. Let me see if I could steal from this place. And that was, like, the highlight. I got an email my girlfriend.

Yeah. I was the fucking wonderful. We just had a group of guys that were committed to doing fun shit outside of the show, too. So it was like, wake up in the morning, hop on a scooter, go get a good coffee, and then explore. And it's like when you're committed to the adventure, it's way more fun. We're going back in a couple of months. with knocked loose or dear friends on a bus. So I'm looking very much like

going to be awesome. That's going to be great. Because it's like dude, you wake up to like it's 8 a.m. You're wherever. Yeah. You got to be happy by four or five. Yeah.

So you can go have fun. And then and also being an adult and you have money. Yeah, it's different. Yeah. I had negative $43. We also. That's what I mean.

If you go as like an adult where you, I don't care about spending $100 bucks today to do whatever I want. Yeah. I have a positive $43. This was the, this was the, this was the, of the tour. We would wake up in the morning,

go do fun shit all day, play a show. Do you have a favorite fun thing you did? Just scooters are unbelievable, swimming in that river. Swimming in Missouri and Switzerland with the mountains, snow-covered mountains when it was like nice and hot and it was like a good cool off. I was like, we're doing the coolest.

Matt Carl, just shirtless food, glory. We would like get to the show and everyone would be like, I don't care. care if the show sucked. Yeah, totally. And then the show would be badass. And we'd be like, man, and then we'd get back on the bus and sing karaoke in the fucking

thing until like three in the morning. It'd be like, like, man, this is the list. Every one, every seat take and downstairs. Blaring crossfade, creed going in. And the bus driver just hating it. Oh. But he was cool. Hungary.

German. Let's see. German. I forgot his name. We all called him Pee Man because I'm the first triple B. bus tour, I was also on that for a bit. He was not very cool. I think

he just hated Michael from from Payton Truth. I think, because Mike gets on his fucking little demon time, you know? And I think he just hated him. He was great with him. He was, and he was pretty cool about. He's very German. Yeah, like blunt. But he was...

We just, I don't know. His name is Pierre. Oh. Not Pierre, but Pierre. Shout out Pierre. Pier. You're never going to see this. But he, he, he, uh, he's like, I heard they called me Pee P, P, man. He knows, we were calling Pee Pee Man to his face. He'd be like, who? He'd be like, nothing.

That is those Pee Pee Man. But that was, that's the only tour we've done. We did that, and we've done weekends. Like, that's kind of our thing is fly, play, playing out of war on you. Doing stuff. I can do whatever. Yeah. Everybody got jobs.

I want a barbershop. He owns a barbershop, but he has a child. I got a five-year-old. I'll do it. Hi, Owen. Owen. Oh, N. Good name.

Look at your dad's hair. It's unbelievable. He knows. Everybody basically domesticated. Chris manages AMH. He's in internal bleeding. And internal bleeding. Fuck, yeah.

And then precisely. And, yeah. So everyone's doing, so we make it work. Yeah. What a band. And we got some stuff coming up this summer. Yeah. Got some stuff coming up this fall.

This fall. Talk to me about the greatest collaboration track. and possibly ever numbers on the board the gridiron the grid link collaboration okay

you guys I'm not a big video game guy but I did have Mega Man X we literally play video games together by the way I play Call of Duty

I play that's it's not a video game I play I play I don't play any I'm not interested in any other video games he said

Okay dude that's like you know catch phrases on Call Duty that's you getting kissed and I was like Okay, dude. My Call of Duty career is I'm either getting like eight, nine kills having a pretty good game or zero.

Zero kills zero damage. Yeah. How did that? I'm with you. That is never happened. You're worth of saying. All right. So back to the truck.

So you've played Mega Man X. Sure. For Super Nintendo? Yeah. Okay. That was one game we, my brother had when we were kids. I have no idea how this ties in. Listen.

I'm interested. So in that game, you would beat like a boss. and then it'd be like surprise there's another boss so Evan wrote this song that just had like four different changes and I was like it's like you think the song is done

and then the next boss comes out is like surprise so I go that's the vibe of the song and then it was like instead of having one guest spot let's have I mean Mullie has a great voice fucking

Lennon wouldn't be on it because he's a hater Everyone has sick voices Who is a singer Right Who has a sick voice But he refused to do it Because he's a jerk

Unreal And I was like Let's have the whole band on it And not just one Not just Matt Carter It's genius And it's like It's kind of funny

Because it might be our longest song It feels pretty long Because it goes pit to pit to pit to pit Yeah Well it's got four verses that's like insane to me. That's like that's rap.

You don't need three. Yeah, right. Yeah. We need them all. There's a couple tracks on the record where I was like I don't really need, like not every song needs to be deep.

Sure. There can just be like. But sometimes that third verse to help you like like, and here's why I said all that. But I'm saying like a lot of the tracks that I write are like deep in some way.

Sure. Even if they're whatever, you know, whatever. So this one, like, glory or death, I was like, I just want to write a song where I go back and forth with Chris. That one was no lyrics written by, like, they gave me the song, I wrote it. Side note, sorry to cut you off. Chris McCarthy, vocally, one take. Everything.

Everything is one take. Whoa. Not like one take a line, whole song. Whoa. Whole song. He's an animal. Glory or death, whole song, front to back. Outstant.

No pauses. He gets to the end? He just goes, I got this. He gets to the end of the song. me and Andy are just looking at each other and we're like, that was it. And then we go in and he plays it back and it's perfect. All right. Back to the other.

How do I do, guys? So, yeah. He's like, no, he goes, yeah, fuck yeah. So we, uh. That's awesome. So I'm like, all right, we want to write this song and we're, and like, everybody in Great Iron agrees to do it. Yeah.

Which is besides Lenin. Except for Lenin. So yeah, we're like, right. I'm like, I just kind of want it to be like a rap song. Yeah. But a hard rap song. Sure. and

it worked yeah my part is not exactly like rapping I feel like I rap more on other songs really than that one

even if there's like a rap cadence but then when Carl sent his stuff over and it's like two just rap I was like there's four verses

like there's so many lyrics in that song it's actually insane but it all seems to work does it suck when you have to do it no no because I changed

the lyrics a little bit oh that's cool so you know because that's his story you know that's You're not. Yeah, most of it is the same,

but it's like, I'm not going to say I'm from Boyertown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that. When, uh, very rarely will I listen to a record, particularly a heavy record, and rewind to hear what they said. And when you sent it to me, it was like,

it's a good sign. I didn't even know what, like, I just kept doing it. Matt said until like, maybe a month ago. I was like, what did you say? He's listing off, like, a gun brand. We had, we had an idea we were going to do a shirt

because we wanted to do a shirt, gridlink collab shirt and he was like we could do Ruger and Torres and Clark and Smith and Sik Gridlink like you know the and shirt and we're like it'd be hilarious but none will sell I disagree I don't know that to the worst ten guys in the room me Alex

that's awesome but yeah I mean it was just it was honestly just a song to have fun that's awesome was the last one to put his little spice on it and he's like here is from a mile away all day I had, he was like, you really want me on this? I was like, I sent him a voice memo.

I was like, I need you on this song. And he was like, all right. His voice makes songs. Like, it's such a good touch. And like, if you listen close, there's an ad lib where he goes, all right? Like, in the background, that's like, now when you hear it, you're never going to be. Like, I have a sound clip on Discord so I can just spam it. All right.

It's so good. Beautiful. Well, that's Watch Me Blade. It's an incredible record. Album of the Year, Most prestigious Award. We did it. In history. Paul's mom, July 4th.

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Many people need time. Could you tell me your top four? hardcore records of all time. We're both going to say 100 demons in the eyes of the Lord. Great answer. For sure. It's going to differ greatly here.

But that's a great start. Well, yeah, in the eyes of the Lord, satisfaction. Stay in Connecticut, baby. I'm loving it. I'm loving it. Four. I'm going to say just because I have to

I have multiple Earth Crisis tattoos. So, Gamara season ends. So you go Gamara number one. Well they were Now that I think about it, I would probably say Breed the Killers, dude. I wouldn't say Breed the Killers. I would say all that war. Respect.

Even though it's not a whole record. Yeah. Respect. His voice sounds like that. The Troward The Chilers is insane. Underrated. Probably Ultra militants. It sounds it sounds the best. It's the best person. Dude, discography of Judge. The whole thing.

Yeah. Including that's your, that's four? including that last seven inch no but but yeah good answer so that's four grand i'm going to go in the eyes of the lord if you could pick a whole discography i think i'd put the whole trap under ice discography dude that's a good one but that's a good one but i'm going to say these aren't records but i'm going to say literally any of them but i'll just say stay cold yeah it changes yeah but i'm to say stay close i love it yeah um from there again oh blood for blood spit my last breath great answer mike um i could say blood for blood revenge on society great i won't because i already said

blood for blood now it gets difficult because i can't there's so many but you can only have one take all your time biohazard urban discipline urban discipline man yeah i uh one time i sent in the band group chat like guys has there ever been four tracks in a row better than the four opening tracks on urban discipline and one of the guys in the band just sent the meme that's like let's get you back to bed for i'm like do you guys not get it i think the better four track run is first four on say the world address frankly dude i love them both i do i love them both but i like chamber spins three yeah but in the in the post no because tomorrow i would pick a to like yeah that's a thing is security and be like that's also the best record ever yeah yeah

You know? In my top four, in the eyes of the Lord, will always be there. And then it's like, it'll just change. No, we're locking them in. All right, I'm going to go stay cold and secrets of the world. Okay. And I'm going to get rid of biohazard. Wow.

Wow. Yeah. I don't think we've ever had someone choose two of the same band. I could truly do demo, stay cold, big kiss good night, secrets of the world in a row and be like, I'm fine. I could never listen to anything else. I really respect that. Like, I really, in the eyes of the Lord, but I just think, for me, the time I grew up in, I don't think there was ever more prolific.

No. Like, no, they define the demo and the 2000s, came out. People changed how they dressed. Yep. They changed how they, everything was different. It killed melodic hardcore once in overall. Thank God. Deuces.

Amen. Hate it. Let me ask you guys something really, really important. Do you? In upstate, you know, scary place. The scariest. Do you believe in ghosts? I used to go ghost hunting with my brother.

Now you're cooking, Paul. Did you find any? Yeah. I think, okay, there's, we called it Pinewood Cemetery and Troy. Horrified. But it's, it's not called Pinewood Cemetery. I don't know what it's called. We all called it that, and I thought it was called that.

Pinewood, scary cemetery. Everyone would know in the area would be like, Pinewood Cemetery? They'd be like, yeah, and Troy. To get in, it's closed, it's a closed cemetery. They decommissioned it or whatever. Which is a bad sign. Next to it's a golf course. So to get in, you have to drive in the golf course. Definitely haunted.

Golf courses are fucked. We would go ghost hunting. And we were in high school, but we could drive. So we're sitting on a golf cart track. Yeah. You'd have to drive your car down them and then like get in. It's very scary. Mind you, this is a golf course that's very open.

Lights were on, but very open just, you know, rolling whatever. There is a car-sized cloud coming down the pathway from like very far away. And I'm looking at it and I'm like, is everybody else? to see this and my brother is like the fuck is that everyone in the car starts freaking out and it's getting super super close to us it stops in front of

one of the car that was in head of us maybe like 20 feet off of it and then we all scream and back our cars up and fucking leave but like this isn't a it stayed it stayed on the fucking thing

and stopped and I've never heard of a spectrum spectral vehicle Everyone in the car Saw it Everyone was like What the fuck was at And then we all like

Were really quiet And freaked out And went home And then there was another time I was So you guys just didn't talk about it We did We were like

What the fuck was that And I was like I don't know what that was No one was tired Bo Wait No one was Are you a ghost believer

And you're not Okay And you're totally like No I don't I do believe That people people have experienced things that we don't know how to explain yet, which I know is kind of a cop-out.

You believe in aliens? You don't believe in- I do believe in aliens. But I don't think it's like Casper. I don't think it's a ghost. So, terrible movie. There is, there is a hotel I stayed at north of Salt Lake City that is already haunted. Yeah. Known to be a haunted hotel.

Yeah. There's, there's an elevator there that they'll be like, yeah, this age old story, this lady, like, killed herself on the whatever floor, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like the elevator goes up to that floor, waits, doors open, doors close, and it goes down to the lobby. And it just keeps going. And there's like elevator union people that are like, we don't know. They're like, buddy, we can't mix it. Why the elevator does it?

We're on holiday. We can't. But that person was fucked up because you can go up to like the door and everything. And it's just very bad vibes. Yeah, I went there. There. I believe. You should do a ghost hunting expedition where you convince Bo by showing.

Buddy, I've tried. We've tried. We have like five deeps. We have like five hauntlers. What if you scare the shit out of him so bad? So do you know the story about Furnace Fest? No, there's no way he knows. Do a quick retelling.

Sure. We stayed at a hotel. We grabbed a book when we were at Furnace Fest in Birmingham, Alabama that was called Haunted Alabama. And on the front was the sloth. It was furnace. It was the furnace. It was on the front. And then the back was hotel.

Wherever. Wherever. And you were elated. I was like, this is huge. Yeah, totally random. Totally random. I don't know. No, I had no idea.

It was at Walgreens. And then on the chapter on the hotel, it said if the fourth floor, certain rooms, there's like a knocking night. We were on the fourth floor. Oh, my God. This is true. I would have already been sick. Now, the thing that's fucked up was.

Is this the knocking thing? It's the knocking thing. I got out of the shower, and I heard, and it's 2 a.m. It's just cabin discourse. And I straight up in a towel. I, like, open the door, and there's, like, a hallway, and I think he's going to be, like, you know, hiding and waiting. I waited five minutes with the door open, just waiting,

because I knew he would have to go back to his room. I got dressed, went to his room, I could hear him listening to YouTube or something. You know I'm always listening to YouTube. So it was. was either him and he's still not in me no no so you gotta remember this you were in my room all that all night i didn't know what your room number was ever that's not we we had mentioned it we never discussed his also he could be like hey what's the reserve the room number for the guy in our reservation this guy um but that we also had a cameraman with us who he was shy he's a little

shys he's so you think you might have gotten because well it no i think it was respect you got knocked on too, right? Yeah, but that was you. Dude, do you just do you want to be funny? Dude, I mean, I lived in Florida for a little over a year.

Haunted. Scary place. And I lived in this little town called Micanopee, which is the oldest town, one of the oldest towns in Florida. Oh.

And I lived... I thought you were to say in the world. No. And I... And I lived in like this back cottage. And one night, I'm there was an upstairs where the bedroom was upstairs and down is very small place.

I'm like, yo, someone is, has opened my, the door had a distinct open noise and all this other shit. And it was a, it was a very silent house. And I was like, someone is in my house right now. So I cleared the house. And I was like, I was like, I was like, someone's in my fucking house right now. And I text. I think I text John or someone and I was like, yo, are you

screaming? No, I was like, are you at the house right now? Because I believe he owns the property, I'm not sure, but at any rate, and he was like, no, I texted a couple people because I kept hearing shit. Oh, shit. I was like, there are people in my fucking house downstairs before I went downstairs. And everyone's like, I'm home, I'm here, I'm this, I'm like, all right. So I like literally cleared

my house with, I had my flashlight on my phone as a flashlight, but I recorded the whole thing by accident. Oh shit. So it's just me clearing my house. Do you still have it? Were you screaming? I don't. I might have it on my, uh, on an old, I don't have the old phone anymore. Were you saying, motherfucker?

I was silent. I was silent. But, uh, sure. That would be. Maybe I haven't on me. No. Have you heard the story of New York Manette?

No. Oh. It's like a good, this is like a great segue. Please. Unbelievable. So basically, my wife... You're just a freak. Yeah. But I'm also like, I'm like, I don't believe in ghosts.

And then I'm like, I'm not going in the basement by myself. Yeah, same. I mean, same. That's just good sense. I kind of believe in energy. I'm with you. See? So, all right, so me and my wife, we buy this house, we move into the neighborhood, whatever.

And in the middle of the night, I'm literally like laying in bed and I sleep naked. And I'm like... Full on. Full on naked. The basement of his house is a little spooky. But I literally hear like something that's not like my garage, the wall behind my bed is like the garage. And I hear something I'm like,

and what's your address? I'm like someone is in my garage. Like I can hear them in my garage. Like someone's stealing my car or something. So, well, we don't park in there, but someone's, I'm crazy enough that if you're in my house in any capacity, like I have a kid. Yeah, you're going.

You're going to the cemetery. It's also Rochester, which is a terrible place. Yeah. Where I live is very chill, but it's, yeah, it's not great. And I'm paranoid. So I wake up and I'm like, what the hell's going on? And I get up and you can't really see out because it's dark and there's lights in the house, whatever. So I'm like, all right, fuck this.

I walk to my closet and get my gun and I'm just clearing my house. And I'm like, okay, that's weird. There's no one. I open the garage like, like, it's happening. Are you still naked? Oh, I'm naked. Yeah. That's horrifying.

That's the only way to be. Because in my mind, as an assailant seeing you naked. I'm like, well, but here's a thing. It's like, I'm not going to take the time to get dressed. I think someone's here. So I go to the garage and there's like, no one. So I'm like, okay, I peek out the back door. I'm like, all right, whatever.

I go to bed. I'm like, I'm just being crazy again. I go back to bed, put the gun back. You know, get in bed. Lay back down. and like I start to fall asleep and I hear it again and it's louder.

I'm like oh someone is in my house and now they've seen me and they were hiding and I didn't see them so I'm like fuck so I get out of bed and I'm like now I'm like okay

is your wife awake now she has woken up she's like what are you doing yeah and I'm like go to bed I was like someone's like someone's gonna fucking shut up so I'm like

all right my son's doors closed I'm good and I make it around and whatever And again, no one in the garage, whatever, and I walk, and I'm just, I just stand still. Like, if you walk in my front door, it's basically the center of the entire house. And I just stand there for like two minutes, and I hear it. And I'm like, they think I'm in my bed. And I wait, and I wait, and it happens again, and I'm like, all right, that's it.

And I just open the door, and it's my fucking screen door. Because it's a house I haven't lived in long. So you're telling me, the screen door was peeking in your window. Oh. Yeah. This is an ancient riddle salt. But this is like a...

Cut that part out. With me, this is like a repetitive... This is like, oh, I heard something. Yeah. Gotta go waltz around naked with the gun again. Yeah. I lived, when I moved to Massachusetts, I bought an 1885 Queen and Victorian home.

Oh, Lord. And so... It had tin ceiling. So back in the day, back in the day, they would, when you would die, they would have the funeral. Yeah, in the parlor, yeah. So, I was like,

yo, this place is gonna be fucking haunted. And it just wasn't. It was spooky, but it was not haunted. Nothing cool. Nothing cool happened at all. You got me there. I was on the edge of my seat. You guys eat?

Yeah. Yeah, you know, good lead up. Good bill. Well, we're gonna talk about you. Oh. You guys eating good? Are you eating? I don't eat anything.

I literally, I'm not kidding. I have not. eaten today. You ate today, you ate some of my leftover. Someone else's leftover Chinese that they gave to Paul. Yeah, that's not real calories. Those are fake calories. For $10, they gave me six of them. It's crying.

Stephen got the same ones he's pissed about it. I was like, dude, this is I'm not even like, I don't care about the money. Like, this is crazy. Leading back to me being your nicest friend, I gave you the food. Whatever, dude. He gave me Chinese food. And he offered

you the singer of the band. Yeah. You're welcome. There's, I'm sensing a pattern. You're welcome. Anna Godm would go to barber school. What were you? What was missing Link eating in Europe?

Everything. Well, I'm not a very adventurous eater. Oh. Pomeroyne. Pomerlo sticks now. Monsretherly. I don't really remember eating anything crazy except for in Italy. In Italy, we went to like a nice spot.

How was that? It was July 4th. It was my mom's birthday when we were on. Oh, it was a lot of mom's mom. Now, Paul, what's name? Noreen. Norin. That was my grandma's name.

Noreen loved her. Have you had the mozzarella sticks from Chili's, the big guys? Dude, they put me down in ways I've never been down. Those things are so... I was beyond horizontal. I can be maybe one or two of them right now. Oh, it's all sick. That's it, though.

I did two out of three of my triple dips were the mozzarella sticks. Nice. I didn't know you do that. Criminal. I'll eat one and then get full. That sounds crazy good right now. Yeah, you're looking. You're on a journey?

It's the anxiety. anxiety and depression that really makes that. How long have you been dieting? I'm just taking the shot. Oh, good. How much do you mind sharing how much you've lost? I lost 72 pounds in five months. Miracle that.

Dude, we went from, like, I saw him, and then two weeks later we played a show, and I was like, you're visibly 20 pounds lighter. He's like, it's pretty cool. I have medical stuff that basically makes it so I don't have him metabolism at all that I found out maybe three or four years three years ago. So I've always been a big guy and I've always like my like diet to to lose weight is like extreme in the gym like cardio like ever and then eating the very cleanest you could possibly eat like doing everything that I'm like told nutritional wise to do and I'll lose like a pound. Oh no.

So I don't know whatever this shit is I'm taking. If it gives me cancer, I've already defined and whatever. The misconception that OZEPIC is like this thing that's going to be found to be dangerous years later. It's been so heavily studied. It's like completely FDA approved. Any of the side

effects are the ones that they've been approved. The side effects are an upset tummy. Yeah. Stummy ache. Stummy ache. And not hungry. I don't know. It works. I lost a bunch of weight. I feel great. all my nice clothes fit me again. I'm not.

Dude, fitting and stuff is, as a guy who I fluctuate, I have about five buys a year. Oh, yeah. I'm in number two. You're looking trim right now. I'm in number two. I was number one a few weeks ago. But, you know, I get it. So enjoy it.

Enjoy your clothes that fit. It's the best. Yeah. I kept my big ones when I get back up there. You got a couple jackets. I'm having the opposite where I'm trying to actively get bigger and now bigger clothes fit better. And it feels so good. Oh, yeah.

but that's it's I know you're eating I can see it in your body he thinks he's a 3x and he's not you're not a 3x what size is that right there 3x he's a 3x chocker that's a choice though he looks correct the choice like here's a thing

okay you gotta have style sure yeah I know style like I've been way I was big for a minute where I definitely was not filling out of 3x but was you know yeah but when I met you when you were when you were in secret

your pledge you had braces and sweatpants on and were like very skinny at the Utica skate skate rink dude

Mikey hood one time gave me a 3xL West Coast Worldwide West Coast Worldwide shirt and it was like neon blue and he's like yo put that on you ain't wearing no large

that made you he made me that Mikey Hood basically told him one time he's a 3X and he still is No, I've, I'm going to trust to me to the 3X because the, I like them to be long. That was Loose's Fox making you the bad suit. Yeah. But my wife like hate, my wife like makes fun of me all of them. Comes in black.

Wow, that's beautiful. Do you guys eat, though? Oh, we eat? Oh, we. Last night we went to, we had jets. We had a, we, and no, we had a taste in my homeland. No, we had Jets first. Oh, yeah, we had Jets.

Yeah. They have a Jets here? They have a Jets here. It was wonderful. I missed the one in Brandon, Florida. I'll be, I'll be honest with you. Let's go Brandon Florida at Jets. It's incredible.

but the one in Orlando is pretty good too so we had Jets then we hit the gym then we had Portillo's this is a two hour span it was I had never had Portillo's before we recorded the record and on our way out we went to the airport one near the airport yeah that's a good one we went it's a great

yeah Chris dude you guys should really talk to Chris about food because he will blow your mind he's a burger a fishing out he talks to his food he talks to his food he's so I'm so can you show me what does he do dude I swear all right we were

They were in Europe. And he had like a baked good. And he was like, we were in Milan. And he was sitting on like this kind of stoop thing. We're all just hanging out waiting like outside of this cathedral. And I literally watch him like take a bite. And he goes, oh, fuck. That was a good bite.

No, that was a different time. No, that was a different time. That was a good bite was me and him were eating. A burger. A burger. He did this. Okay. He's unreal.

He took a bite of a burger. We went. I think we were in. We went and ate somewhere and he took a bite of a burger a burger and he goes oh that was a good fucking bite. So the Portillo's thing is unreal. I had never been and I like I had to like go piss or something and he's waiting in line and I swear to God I walk up behind him and he's like like smile like not oh yeah just like vibrating.

Yo are you okay? He's like I'm so fucking excited. The kid did it. So I'm like I'm like you know tell me what to get what do you get so he gets and it was like good and he just sits down, whatever, he got a ton of stuff. He sits down, he just takes a bite, and he's like, it's the best.

He's like, I'm so happy. And it was like really good. So I was like, dude, this is awesome. He's like, amazing. It's amazing. You guys transform into him when you do him. He is very specific. He is the best person I have,

he's in the band because Nick is always gone. Evan is normal and can't play all the shows. Chris was like, I'll do it, I'll fill in. And then he just played more shows than everyone else. I was like, you're just in the band now. And crazy stage presence. Oh, yeah. Brings a lot.

He is the best person to be in a band with. Because if you, if I go, hey, Mike, we're going to go play this show. It's 11 hours away and we have to drive a Toyota Tersel there. You would say, no. Chris will just go. I'm not leaving my house. Chris will go. Fuck.

It's going to suck, bud. All right, let's do it. Fuck it. Let's do it. And then he's happy the whole time. He's amazing. He never has a moment, even if we're like eating shit. Okay, I need to do something then.

Chris, this is a video of Chris eating a burger. He's going to send me one for this. That was a good bite. Oh, this is going to be awesome. I have the fun, the, dude. We have a really good picture up here. We're not, we can't. The story leading up is we'll not say.

But we were on a plane, flying back from Europe and he was feeling good and he's sitting next to me and I have a picture of this I'll show it a minute it's just him like looking

at a burger on a picture of a bird rice he's unbelievable this is incredible dude and then this I think it was the other way he was sitting watching a movie no headphone no blaring Metallica but watching the movie watching movies

Watching a movie just like this. Six hours. What movie? I don't even know. Probably the menu. If it was like Lord of the Rings, I will lose my mind. No, it was like a comedy movie. And he's just like smiling like.

He's the guy. We played a show in San Jose. He's fucked up. And they had this big video wall that was just playing YouTube videos. And it was playing a live Metallica set from wherever. He loves Metallica. It's a favorite band. And he.

But here's the thing. If Metallica was playing out of show, you'd be like, fuck yeah. He's like, he's like, this is fucking pumping me up right now. And I'm like, there's no sound.

The volume on the plane that he was listening, like I didn't know Airrod's going to go that loud. We were landing. It was so loud. Dude, it was crazy. And I love Metallica. This dude,

then we went to, we went to, I'm a Pantera, man. I was going to say we went to Dimebag's grave and he was like, I was like, This is cool. He was standing there like,

I was like, are you okay? He's like, this is just really, this is heavy for me. Dude, I don't think. And I was like, really? I don't want to end the episode and something so sad, but I don't think people realize

like how scary that really is. Like the way in which he dies. Oh, yes. None of us are really ever that far from that. No. And that's really scary. I had a guy say hi to him. Well, not here.

It's fucking locked up tight out there. I'll tell you what. I was, I was sitting a piss at a urinal. Yeah. And a dude came up. to the girl next to me and just was like

Mike Ryan and I was like could I do something and he was like oh I love you guys I'm going to see you right now like he was driving there too and I was like

dude I can't imagine how people like I'm just a normal guy you get actually famous it must drive you crazy because I was like whoa I'm like accessible to people that in my head I'm something that I'm not

their head I'm something I'm not I'm not also too outside of hardcore we've both there's been many situations that have gone very bad. Sure.

And it was just like, all right, well, imagine I'm where I think I'm good. And someone's like, hey, bud, you're not good. You know? Yes, it is, it is, but yeah. Anyways, I have an awesome picture of him smoking a joint at Diamond Vags Grave. Yeah, that's softer.

As he should. Green jelly was there. With you? Really? Dude, they came up? And they were like, yo, what's up? You guys in a band? We're like, yeah, like, you want to take a picture?

That's fucking sick, I. You were like, yo, Dumber, soundtrack one of the greatest ever. I had no idea who they were. Yeah. Oh, you never heard it. And then they said the dumb and dumber soundtrack thing. I was like, oh, now I get it.

Wait, who's they did? No, like the guy's in the bag. Oh, I wish Green Jelly was like, I was like, who ours? We're from the dumb and dumber soundtrack. I'd be like, that's so cool. Dude, it is cool. The song is good.

The pair went over the mountain. It's a banger. We've got some questions from our Discord people to end the episode. Most of them are absolute ass. Really? Yeah. Ask all the bad ones.

No, they're terrible. Somebody said, who is that peeking in your window? And we know that now. It's a screen. Screen delivery. That is going to follow me, like, the rest of my life. 100%. That's what Bruce said today.

You did that. Bruce said, he goes, you know, he's like, people still come up to me and go, you know who I love? You know who I love? And I was like, yeah. He goes, you know, Mike in 15 years? Someone's going to go, who's peaking in my window? Somebody, somebody asks your favorite breakdown of all time. That's a good one.

Oh. One popped in a little. my head immediately. That's the answer. I don't know if it's, because it's not, all right, think about it.

So there's two for me that pop into my head. I, I don't, I'm really bad with song names, but sound broken wing song. Uh, fuck.

Is it damn, it's not that one. It's a, it's the one with a, diga, diga, diga, diga, diga, diga, diga, diga, diga, diga,

diga, diga, this is this is drum mind talk. Yeah, yeah, but. Send it to me. Yeah, send it to me. It's that or house of fist,

Bloods Meshed. Nice. We'll shoot someone to that. There's a lot, because I'm into the breakdowns. Sure, yeah. Immediately I thought of, maybe because we're in Florida, implosive disgorgeance confined to torment. Wow.

You've never heard. Truly one of the craziest slams ever. First ever impulsive. Oh, that's true. Have you ever heard of them? No. Really? No, no.

Dude, you're about to be. I haven't either. I love it. Or that one in that corpse song. Oh, fuck. Corpse with a K. The devil's breath. Oh, I've heard that one.

What's yours? What comes to mine? Favorite breakdown ever? There's two. It's crowbar to carry the load. Oh, yeah. Suffocation. What about?

Drones of blood. Might be Marauder Titans. That's cool. The yeah. Yeah. What about breakdown that would what makes you want to commit felony assault. That's how I perceive that question,

not favorite breakers. There's suffocation, yeah. There are so many. Like, good ones, really good ones are hard to come by. You know the scene. There's not many original ones like. You know the scene in Goodfellas when Ray Liotto walks back across and beats the dude?

What's the song that you would have playing? You know, it's like what? Suffocation Thrones are. Yeah, House of Fiss for sure. I'm sorry Beautiful We used to always joke That it was Earth Crisis

I can't wait for you to Text me later I'm gonna text Dude this implosive discorging Yeah we'll listen to it on the way I'll text the fuck at you Somebody asked Speaking of the missing link

What's your favorite cryptid Oh that's awesome Wow Cripted? Yeah Like a Come on ghost hunter Yeah

Like a Mine is the Chubicabra Obviously Obviously You're loyal to your whole thing I don't know if I have a favorite Mothman is cool It's actually cool.

Mothman's cool because, yeah, that one. It's creepy. That one is creepy. It's got to be like a... Oh, oh, Hatman. Dude. That counts. That's not a cryptid.

He's real. I just like it because so many people... Yeah, I know him very well. I think Skinwalker's are real, so it's got to be... Yeah, I believe there. Dude. Great answer. We've mentioned it.

Yeah, that's a good one. We've mentioned it before, but I have been... I've played shows... I've been visited by the Hatman. I've played shows in Reno and asked the locals. Like, oh. And they should. straight up there like, I've spent a lot of time.

Not going to talk about it. Like they don't. That's awesome. It's the biggest little city. I played a bunch of bands from there. I like it there quite a bit. We love Reno on Herd Law. My wife's from there, so. What is, in your opinion, the most meaningful song you've ever written? I didn't write it, so.

Nice. I played drums. Yeah, it's for the band. Depends on what you mean by meaningful. Like, it means a lot to you. It's full of meaning. My brother wrote a song for my grandfather that I will just, say when I heard it I cried that's really nice probably the first time I cried in like 15

years that's really nice it's good it probably got to be something on the B side of the record you got to you got to bury those a little they can't let's like another cross yeah oh another cross to go another cross or pillory maybe that one's kind of like about my kid I don't write it but we finally got Bruce on a song that's the top of that's like meaning that's that means a lot to me yeah right it's heard he's my guy so 100% so cool Also, he recorded that and sent it back in like 12 hours. Yeah, that makes sense. Like, one single track, no second take, no double, no nothing.

Dude, so cool. He's the best. And like, so, like, for me, the guy that wrote my, and then for him to be, like, text to me, like, you're an amazing lyricist. Like, I wish I could have written this. You know, it's like, no good. I mean, you guys both listed his record in your, like, in your always. And I think pretty obviously influenced.

Sure. For sure. You know, I think you maybe like connect with certain records and in the eyes of the Lord has like a lot of religious themes and our record has a lot of religious themes. Not really necessarily in the same way. Maybe kind of in the same way, but you know. Are you a religious guy? I'm not, I'm like a, my wife would tell you I'm like the weirdest religious guy of all time. Weird.

I'm like, spiritual? This is a news to me. I'm like, I think I like find like symbols and characters and stuff that I would really. cling to. Okay. But you're not like thinking that the Bible is like historical fact. I don't, no. Interesting.

I don't. I was like, not again. I can't do this in another band, dude. No, not, definitely not in a way where like, he gets it. I do. I really do. It's hard to explain. No, I respect.

I view the stories as like incredibly important. Like amazing works of fiction. Yeah, but in a way that it's like, it is real in the sense, to me, in the sense of like the metaphor. The meaning is so real. My dad is the same way. That I'm like blown away by how many layers of meaning there are. But I don't view it as like this for sure

happened. It's more of like a system to live by like a right. Not doctorate. And just interesting. I'm very intrigued by it. It is the most interesting thing. Yeah. By someone's said. And not even just the Bible necessarily, but there's others too like from other religions that really cling to.

So not yeah, like I said, my wife would tell you I'm like the weirdest spiritual ever Paul never knew that about you we love to learn on this show that's that's my narwharf at today is that I've exposed to the world that Mike is the weirdest weirdest guy like christian that's crazy yeah let's see what do we got best bagel in the state of hailed fuck yeah there's a there's a spot killer always takes me to that's in babylon I don't know the name of it okay um delicious delicious it's so good you gotta keep The gate a little bit. But I will say, I will attest to Long Island has the best bagels.

I agree. Out of the whole state. And, but everyone from Long Island has their spot. Yeah, of course. Because there's a million. Bagel boss, bagel chalet. But like upstate bagels don't compare to Long Island. Actually, there is, this place called.

Connecticut has the best ones. This place that's wrong. There's a place called Uncommon Grounds in Saratoga and in Albany. They have phenomenal bagels. And they make them. I love it. A bagel in Connecticut. Really?

Yes, a bagel a day. Really? When I'm home. Yes, without fail. I've not a bagel. I got it. I love bagels. I think per square mile, Long Island might have some of the best food in general.

Dude, it's, it's, it's, all they've got going. I'm a fan of Long Island. They got traffic. Yeah, it's, it's, you can't get in or. What is this? We're this close to being a Long Island band. My beef with Long Island is that they're all, it's always a birthday party. Yeah.

Smithtown. Somehow on the other side of the island. Like, every guy I know that we know from. Long Island. Evan, can you play the show? Oh, I can. It's a birthday party that we can. And he's like dead-ass serious. I'm like, we're 35 years old. They respect the sanctity of birthday parties in the long-down? They love birthday parties.

I don't. Because I'm like, you're not eight. I hate getting older. I love birthday parties. Well, you fit ridden. Long Island, big fan. It's kind of like the Valley, so it makes a lot of sense. Let me ask you something. This one can maybe be the last question. I like this one. What do you individually think you can beat anybody at oh great to eating nuggets mario cart me as well what's the thing you're good at yeah trivia trivia you're good at trivia you're good at true

no i've beat you a tribute a couple times what what do you think you can beat anyone at not historical anyone yeah knowledge i got me like the best of the best of things something like uh what's the one thing you are weird religion no not even i've heard you're the most The weirdest. The weirdest. Tony Hawk. Give me two minutes and Tony Hawk.

You don't fuck anybody yet? Wow. I don't know if I will. The first time you could start manualing and reverting so you can really build stuff. Underground. Come on. But probably like three, I think is where it really started. I'm going to say two things.

One is just knowledge of Harley Davidson Dinos from 06 to 2017. Damn. I'll smoke anybody. It's true. Or bowling. You're a good bow. A little phenomenal bowl.

Respect. I've gotten a gutter ball with bumpers. You're the best at being the worst of ball. I'm the best of being the world. I'm the best of bowling. Me and my buddy Ryan, a little tiny baby, tiny, little short, weak Ryan. We would go bowling. He'll get it.

We would go bowling. And he is so competitive any time anyone would beat him, he would get really mad. So it was just the goal was. to beat him and we just became really good bowlers. I was already pretty good at it and then in that time I'm pretty fucking good at bowling. Missing Link bowling shirt.

You're going to be billionaires. I can probably with that. And then Evan Duckett. I'll make the idea and then I'll text Evan and... You know that Evan texted me before we recorded the award saying guys I really think Missing Link should win that? Oh, he sent me a screenshot. It was a more violent text than that.

Yeah, but it was like, it was like, Evan, we've never talked about this ever. What do you mean? Yeah, he was like texting me just about basically that. And he was like, watch this. And then like two minutes later sends me this screenshot. And I'm like, dude. They already won. There's a pun in like missing lanes for your bowling shirt.

There's something there. There's something in there. Yeah, I'll figure it out. It takes a minute. I'm going to say that's the thing that I'm best at is figuring. I can correlate things that people aren't thinking about. and then they go, of course. And then they buy the shirt.

Perfect. That's what I'm watching. Looks good. Looks good, man. All right. And like, I'm going to, just because we won Hardlore album of the year, I'm just going to say I'm the best at writing my lyrics. Dude, we should make a shirt. Dude, hard lower album winner.

Is there a physical award? Like, what is the deal? I can make you. We're working on. Why haven't you made a plaque or a trophy? the plan we were doing on do a live one last year and then kale died and kale was going to paint the awards okay he was gonna actually because i would like a glass what would be what would it be a spin kicker that's that has been the concept so a karate guy yeah they have karate no no but he needs

has anybody made a shirt though of like hard look hard lord you're the second by all means it's paint a truth and missing league that's it oh pain a truth they beat us they did it first they did it again I know. But, you know, recent is what counts. We are in the eternal shadow of Pain of Truth. Well,

it's a race to the second LP now. I want, I wanted to do like a Treehouse of Horrors, Evil Twin Split. This was like an idea a couple years ago. We're like,

they're the good twin, obviously. We're the evil one. The twist is that. And then Nick is just confused. Yeah. Oh, it's a clone. The clone is a Nick.

That's good. There it is. Well, missing link, album of the year, as we've said. Congratulations. We did it. Paul, mom. Mom. Norin, Dove.

She's going to be... July 4th. Happy birthday. Can you shout out my mom, too, dude? Mike, what's your motion? Lisa. Lisa. Ryan.

Lisa Ryan. What's her birthday? July 15th. Wow. Look at. Dude. I'm bringing you guys closer. Liam?

Would they be legal? I don't know. No. a Leo and I'm August. I have an American whatever's me and James Hadfield have the same birthday.

Huge. Big revelation. That's huge. June 14th, Flag Day. Wow. Very American. Wow.

Oh, I knew that. Well, we're starving here. We're going to wrap this up so we can go eat. Guys, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for writing a great record. Yeah, good job today. Take your time.

You know, I know it's hard. Following up, it's very tough. The second album is make her break. We're cooking. I know. I know. We're starting to cook.

Can't wait to hear it. Things are cooking. Take your time in the kitchen. People are going to love it. Album of the Year. Watch me bleed. Thanks for watching. Bye.