HardLore - New York HardLore II: Tom Sheehan (Indecision)

Episode Date: June 27, 2024

Part 2 of our very special New York HardLore series features special guest Tom Sheehan of Indecision/Most Precious Blood. We're in Sunset Park Brooklyn, Tom's childhood stomping grounds (and birthplace of Merauder) at what was formerly known as the Crazy Country Club, the venue where Tom earned his stripes as a young hardcore kid and played his first shows. Where the late 80s hardcore and punk bands came up at L'Amours, the 90's had this former comedy club turned lawless hardcore haven. It is also the alleged birthplace of the spinkick... HardLore is now on Patreon! Join now to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepod HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.com Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef This episode is brought to you by ATHLETIC GREENS! Try AG1 at athleticgreens.com/HARDLORE to receive a free 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 travel packs of AG1. Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW TOM SHEEHAN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/thomassheehan/ TWITTER | https://x.com/ThomasSheehan FOLLOW DAN SEELY: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/freedomsteely/ TWITTER | https://x.com/FreedomSteely FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe Check out our merch at https://knotfest.com/store/?view=hardlore Find all of our videos at https://knot1.co/3vWXsbx   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, welcome. It's our little time. How's it going, Bo? So good. You know where we are right now? I don't know anymore. We drove everywhere. Sunset Park, Brooklyn, New York. I've heard of that. This is where Marauders from. If only we had some kind of guide or something to do here. Somebody from here. Or if we were at some kind of place of significance. Oh my god. What are the chances? This is unbelievable. This keeps happening. Mic up. What are you doing here? What are you doing here? We've got Dancer here from King Night.

is our special co-host liaison for this whole special. And Tom M.F. Sheen. M. F. Ax to grind. Indecision. Indecision. Indiscision. Indiscision. Thank you, Tom. Dude. Thanks for having me.

How are you? Oh, thank you, sir. How are you? I'm good. What a treat this is. Beautiful, I'm. Tell me about where we are. Yeah, what is this place? So we are at this venue called the Crazy Country Club,

which was like the epicenter of hardcore in New York and Brooklyn in for about four years in the early 90s. Four years in the early 90s, that's important. It's very important. So we were talking about going to Lomores, which we were saying, like, it's not really ours. This was ours. Right.

Right. So this was originally, it's the original comedy club in America. Really? So this is the first one ever built in America was this. A lot of laughs. You can hear them. You can hear the ghost.

It was built by like two vaudevillian comics, and they built this place. And they started letting people have hardcore shows starting in the 90s on like random, Tuesdays and Thursdays and Andrew Dice Clay started his career here. I was just about to say that. Yay. Fuckin.

They had a shirt that was very popular called warm beer. It said warm beer, lousy food. Yeah, and they started in the 90s, they allowed people to book shows here and like Mike from Confusion and Human did a lot of them here. And like, you name the bands from that era that people love from New York and they all played here. Really? So it's like, demise, confusion. Confusion, Darkside played here, Life of Agony played here. Bilehauser played here?

Bilehauser never, they were too big. They hung out here. All right. But they never played, like, nobody's perfect. They were Rick James walking. They were, yeah, yeah. Oh my God, it's Wild House. I couldn't look them in the face.

They were like, don't look at the talent. Like, yeah, like, Darkside played here and, like, lament and this band Patterns who ended up, some of the dudes ended up being in Candaria. Which Candiria ran shan. Candiria ran shit for a while. They were the biggest band in New York for a long time. Like, unbelievable.

Like, sell out CBGBs on the go. They were the only bands that would get, like, a Friday. Like, everyone else had to play on Sunday. They would get a Friday. Ill Bill's band, El Bill was in a band called Injustice. Wow. They played here.

Him and Necro, were in a thrash band. They were both in it. Yeah. And they were, like, 16. So they played here. Candiria, I think, was called Raging Angel. That's a badass thing. Yeah.

They were, like, a full death metal band. They had no idea about hardcore or anything. Damn. But yeah, it was around for like four years, and then it got sold to a church. Still a church? And it's some kind of world economic, something or other. Yeah, some kind of money. We won't sell them out because money related thing.

Yeah. Something fishy is going on in here. They're like, don't get our logo in there, which is always. Perfect. But it's the real place. This is it. This is it. So like Marauder played here.

How many times would you say? Like what's the frequency of bands? I mean, it had to be at least like five, six times. Beautiful. Starkweather played here. I saw them as a kid. How old were you coming to shows here? 16.

So was this some of your first shows? Yeah. So this was like, yeah. So all my high school friends, we'd, like, I lived down there like 15 blocks on 49th Street and we're on 64th. So I would literally just walk here. Right.

And just be like, all right, and then get the shit kicked out of me and then be like, I got to do it again. And I was fun. And I used to hear you're a true life. Yeah. Is that still straight-edge? Still straight-edge.

We talked to you when we were in Florida. Yes. Is this the place that you said you walked into and you were immediately like, I got a... Yeah. This was the spot. Yeah, because it was just like chaotic and there were like a lot of dangerous people. Awesome. So like this is like where Saab came and minus and all those do.

Like this is their neighborhood. So this is where the spin kick was pretty much more. Right. You got to throw the last one. You have to. Go inside and do it. Dude. That's how you should end it.

That's it. Last one ever. Thank you. But yeah. That's for Saab. That's for sob. That's for sob. I fucking

that dude created Sunset Park Tom Shee and Marauder Yeah Which one of these And not like the other This guy This fucking pink dude

And fucking the hardest guy's in America I'm sure by now Marauder has had to accept you As I was accepted Sob was my dude Yeah

I met minus one I mean I met minus He hit me a bunch But Any other bands from here Specifically? From our neighborhood Not really

Our neighborhood That's right I think all what the dude karate Chris might have been from here. Karate Chris. Why they call him that? Probably did a couple of spin kicks in his day. He was like one of the OG all war guys. And he started Marauder.

But yeah, they were like bands of Bay Ridge. A lot of the bands were in like- It's okay. It's okay. Don't worry about it. Don't run. Don't run. Like Flappar Sheffin' Avenue and like, like Sheep's Head Bay was like where

Bioazard was from. And like, nobody's perfect was from Bay Ridge. But yeah, it was like our little like weird enclave that they'd let us do our own thing and it was kind of fucking people got beat up. Did you get to play a show here? In my high school band. Tell us about the high school band, Tom. Oh, it was fucking terrible.

We went two bands. It was called fucking terrible. I mean, it should have been. Okay. One band was called contempt. Hard. Not a bad name. Not a bad name.

Terrible. Terrible. I'll be the judge of that. Proof it. We don't have anything recorded, thankfully. Proved it. Then Indecision was formally called farmer. Farmer?

Farmer? Yes. Farming. Like farming, agriculture. Right. In Brooklyn, like this. We were like, we were called former. It's like a ball guy named Harry. Right. Yeah, yeah.

And we got the play here twice, I think, in like 93 before it shut down. Nice. That's fair. Yeah, it was just like, but like this is the place we came. And it was like, it was during like a downtime when like Seabees wasn't doing stuff or like wetlands wasn't built up yet. Or like there's like the place to play. You know what I mean? Let me ask you something.

Yeah. We learned from Mike and Jojo earlier in The Chronicles. Yes. that they were very just kind of isolated, just kind of doing their own thing in Queens. Is that how it was here? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, because, like, Brooklyn wasn't like a thing.

This was like, I mean, we ever been saying, like, this strange guy over here in the chisel shirt, he was like, this is really far out here, right? And I'm like, yeah, it's really not close to anything. So we were kind of like... It's just some weird guy who keeps walking by in a chisel. Fuck is that guy's from. Weird guy.

But yeah, so we were kind of like on our, on our own island, you know, and we kind of built our own shit here. And then, you know, bands would come down. Like, a buddy of mine, like, the drummer from Indecision who does not collect the records, this band called Bricklayer played here. Familiar bricklayer? They're on the East Coast Assault Comps. Yes, of course.

They played here once. The singer lied and said he was going to his friend's house and drove from Boston here and got caught. So it was like the last time they played it. So our drummer, who's not a record guy, uh, buys this, goes to buy seven inch, three bucks. And the guy's like, Two for five, you buy the other one.

And the guy's like, all right. It's a great deal. That dude has the original Converge sevenage. Because it was when Converged was like sort of like bottom out of it. 90. That, you know, those times before, yeah. But yeah, like bands would actually come here and play shows. And it was fucking wild and nuts and dangerous and everything that you want hardcore to be.

Did you ever see any interboro beefs in here? Because I asked Mike, I was like, you ever play crazy country club? And he was like, yeah, yeah, we played there. Now I'm thinking about it. I know that whole Queens crew rolled down here and there was probably a little bit of tension. Probably more at Lomores, but like definitely here too. There was a lot of like, yeah.

And there was, I mean, I don't want to get into, we can talk about, but just like. General terms. Yeah, but there was like a crew of dudes here. Minus was in the top was in it, like, that were like the Brooklyn dudes. Yeah, yeah. They were bad too.

Like so, yeah, there was always, there was always fights at beef and everything. And then they all kind of united as one of it. Yeah. I mean, rabies had a... No point in tenet. But, like, you would walk in this place, and it was really fucked up in retrospect,

but the bartender had a button that would shoot air through the floor. Oh, remember you telling me? Yes. Was that left over from the comedy place? Yeah, because it was a comedy place most of the time, and they would do, like... Slavstick.

Right, like, Pink Floyd cover bands and comedy. Hacks, you would, like, walk in and you'd, get it and be scared of shit out of it. And they'd usually do it to women. Shocking. But surprisingly, 1992, not a lot of ladies at these shows. Oh, you're crazy.

Kind of crazy. You're crazy. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I got to see all those bands. So, Saab was just getting air blown up into. Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, for some reason. That's why.

That was it. The air did it. And he was like, yo, what was that? That was crazy. And meanwhile, there's someone next to them. Yeah. The bartenders out cold, but whatever. We figured it out.

But yeah, this was like, it wasn't around for long, but it was super important. And a lot of bands came through here and kind of created something. Leeway seemed to be like the origin of the Queen's DNA for that whole generation. Sure. Who is that for Brooklyn, where every band from your generation of bands like, like, Rout and then the U.S. Like, okay, this is who we, this is our identity. Like, let's go.

Okay, so not like, of course it was like, you know, like, the cyclicals and all the bigger band. You're contemporaries. Yeah, right. Confusion and dark side. Okay. We all wanted to be confusion under dark side. That's all.

Really? Honestly. Wow. Like to the point that we were like that playing down to you. just to be like... Just to sound like that. Yeah. And how far apart an age were you

with confusing? Probably three years. Yeah. Because that's what like... I was thinking about that when I was like thinking about today and I was like, all these like weirdos

that I looked up to were like three years older than me. They were seniors while I was a freshman. Right, right. But meanwhile, like it's so strange that they were like, he's like my O.Gs. I'm like, I probably shared homework with you.

Like what the fuck are we doing? Like, but yeah, I think we, all of our bands like there was like a band called purge from around. There was like a Death Corps band. Well, the good version? The real definition.

Yeah. But we all kind of looked up to, like, ripped off confusion dark side a lot. There you have it. You look at a lot of those flyers. It's like,

confusion, marauder. I mean, Mike, I love you to death because he's going to watch this. But it's also whoever made the flyer.

Because it'd be like, you know, it'd be like, fucking confusion. It'd be like, that's guess of life of agony. 25 to life. Yeah, like,

and then it'd be like, fusion. Bile hazard. Right, right. It would be like Slayer, like on the bottom. But yeah, I mean, this place Mike booked a lot of shows here. This dude, Kevin from his band Judgment Day, booked a lot of shows here. And it was like, I don't know how involved in Hard Cry would be if it wasn't for a place,

like a dumb place like this that like lasts for such a finite amount of time. This is his Cobalt Cafe. Yeah. I was just going to stay. It was, it would have been fireside. Exactly. We've all got our little piece of shit. Yeah.

Ours was the downtown on Long Island. What's your piece of shit? shit. Write it in the comments. But it just goes to show that like taking advantage of these things, these little moments can get you here for literal for life. For life. For better or for worse.

You walk in, you're like, I like this. I don't know what's going on, but like that dude's scary as fuck. But it also like the idea of it like basically it's all local bands playing in here, right? Yeah. And it's like you go to another city. You might be at a local show in your hometown thinking

like, oh, there's only 80 people here. wrote it or whatever. And then 10 years down the line, one of those bands is going to be a band you never forget. And you're going to talk about the time you saw them with 80 people and all this stuff.

I mean, there weren't more than 100 people here. Right. You know, but people are like, you saw Stark Weather? I'm like, yeah, here. Like, or confusion or dark side or like whomever. Like, yeah, that's where everyone just started

and it was like. Yeah. It's just every, everything has a piece of the, is a piece of the puzzle. Yeah. There's a single domino that falls. It's like that meme.

One guy like, Tom, she's a piece. and sees confusion. Elon Musk. You might be COVID-19, man. You tell me. Tell me about indecision starting. No, you had other bands.

The other bands that didn't count. They didn't record anything. Do you consider, let me ask you this as a Long Island resident. Do you consider Indecision, Long Island? I always have. And I think Tom, me and Tom have talked about this,

that Indecision was one of those bands because of their association with Mill House and Silent Majority that just got lumped into Long Island. and was always like an honorary Long Island bank. And we're honored. They still, every time I see a decision, half the crowd is not an island. Yeah, it's like, I name everyone like,

there's 47 Smiths in there. Oh, dude, they're all, yeah. Like, yeah, we started in high school, or ended high school. Wow. Our first show was with confusion at the Fort Hamilton High School Battle of the band. So you're already like, we did it. We made it. Yeah.

Like, I used to mosh this band and now we're opening for them. And I'm not a flyer with them. Like, are you kidding me? And the flyer would raise. made? That we're at the dairy bottom up? And it says like former members are farmer and mesk puppies. No way. I swear to you still have

it? Yeah. Farmer is on a flyer. Yes. And mess puppies, which was Justin's like punk band. Wow. But it's like... Mess puppies? Like who the fuck? We thought like like kids are going to come out now because it's ex-former and fucking mess puppies dude. Like what are we going to do? And then we parmer. Poiled the way

in obscurity for like three years. Not that we're fucking not obscure now, but like we got a call once from Our first real city show was opening for Outburst. But it was Chris B from everybody gets her singing. Right. That 90s era of Alperts. Yeah.

So it was like, that was St. Patrick's Day, 96. I forget who else. Like Tripp face, like terminal confusion, like whatever. Then one day, Justin gets home from school, from high school. And his mom goes, Roger Moret called? Justin's like, what? She's like, yeah, he called. He asked him to call him back.

And he was like, okay. So he's like, hey, I got to show him. for you, can you guys draw? And John's like, sure. And he was like... Like, like, pen, pre-hand? Yeah, sketches? Like, an answer sketch. I can try. And we're like, yeah, of course. And he was like, all right, cool, it's fucking May 28th, whatever, 1996. And it ended up being, it was, uh, Billy Club Sandwich's first show. Wow. Amazing.

Indecision. Powerhouse from O.B.H.C. 25 to Life. Madball. But it was the, it was the manble set that they did the AF reunion. You remember when they came out and they did the OG like four dudes doing power and victim and pain? That was that show. That's awesome. Wow. And then after that like you didn't need to draw. No, I mean, we were I begged like everyone I've ever met.

Like how about you call that? Right. So and we actually got like a reaction. Yeah. Like where was the show? Wetlands. So this venue in West Village kind of no, now it's like a furniture store. But as of like kind of recently, right? The show was like probably 2003. Really?

Yeah. Yeah. It closed around the same time Castle Heights closed. Yeah. Wow. Holy Castle Heights is a bunch. And all those dudes came to, you know, like Lorenzo and all those dudes probably came to. You saw White Air Force One just shush.

That's right on my own. Crisps. Brist, white Air Force One. Baggy sweatpants, you know. But yeah. And then started touring, you know, did a bunch of stuff. And 20-something, almost 30 years later, I'm here. God damn right show.

Stupid. Wow. Did an decision get to play Castle Heights? Oh, yeah. You did, right? No one gave a fuck. You know. It would be like, oh, shit, five-minute major.

There's a lot of people. Oh, everybody left. Yeah. Because also, Casa Heights was infamous for being like, we got you down for like a 1.30 a.m. set time. I'm like, nobody. I'm in fucking, I'm in Jackson Heights seven hours from my house at this point. But I'd go to see like, blood for blood, nobody.

One king down, nobody. But. I race plays the Inspector Gadget intro. And everybody loses it. I mean, they, like, but those bands really fucking destroyed there. But, like, the bands that you'd do, like, of course. Like, Macedon played there. Really?

Yeah, Massadon played Central Park, like, a few years ago, and they're like, show it goes out to everybody that's the Castle Heights. And it was something. And we were like, Castle, what the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was like probably 02 before they, like, really took off.

But, yeah, we played Castle Heights. No one really gave a shit. MPB, we did a little better there, but. A little bit more, a little bit more mashi. Two questions for you. Yes. Brooklyn, Mount Rushmore. Okay.

Abands. Sure. We'll do that first. And then I'll hit you with the gnarly one. Okay. So Brooklyn, all right. I mean, it's got to be biohazard. It's got to be life of agony.

My answers are going to upset you, so I apologize at advance. So far, he's very pleased. I'm so far, I get it. To me, I would go Darside Confusion. Okay. I was never a Pete Steele guy. You were here, though. Yeah.

So it's like, what? No marauder on this. No, Marauder number one. Fuck everybody. Sorry, guys. Totally forgot. Here I am, like, philating fucking Marauder for the whole time,

and I forget what it actually comes. Why are we all, brother? So, yeah, so it's Marauders number one. Okay. Having seen all the versions, number one. So who's out? See, the dark side or confusion.

I'm going to say, I'm going to say you have to say dark sides out. But they were extra terror. They were like, I know, I know, but. I don't know. I mean, I mean, who's going to, I'll go dark side.

I'm going to go, oh, fuck. If I had to probably dark, I don't know, dark side. We'll say dark side. Because Mike's more likely to watch. So got Marauder, biohazard, life of agony, confusion. Yeah, yeah. That is Tom Sheehan's official. Brooklyn Mount Rush.

As the Brooklyn representative in this, that's, you know, the guy, he was here. Yeah. Found him. He was just standing here. I was just hanging out, being like, I wish someone would just talk to me about hardcore. That's what I do. I just sat up, like Virgil, like the wrestler, I just hang out. I want to talk about hardcore.

Tom, shit. Just like Hergoy Super Strong. I was here. I was here. That's right. Second question. Yes.

This one's intense. Top four records of all time, period. Hardcore. Yeah, yeah. Not LP, not, like, whatever I want. And not.

Demo, split. No geographic. Sure. Killing Time, Brightside. My man. Fuck. Marauder Master Killer. That's two of my four.

I got a big fan right there, yeah. All right, so two more. That's fucking master God. I heard that. Probably leeway desperate measures. He's real. He's a real OG. And my like weird bogey that people won't agree with me, but I want to say it anyway,

108 threefold misery. To narrow down to four. It's hard. I'm going to think of like ten. I'm going to be in the comments being like this asshole. Yeah, what am I doing? Well, wait, let's see, let me ask you this. So, so we were having this conversation.

Satisfactions. We were having this conversation the other day. That, like, age of quarrel and bad brain self-titled are, like, implied. That those are the two greatest horridor records ever. That you don't have to say. That you don't even have to say. We all know it. Victim of pain, too.

Victim of pain is right there. What's what no tears probably is in there, you know, like. God, the Lord. Bill's me out, like, break down the walls like this. There's so many that you can just. At this point, you would think they're. implied. But they might not anymore. We have a lot of young listeners

who need the implication. They need to have satisfaction. Yeah, exactly. Satisfuckin' faction. Here's my, did I ever tell you my lore about satisfaction? Love to hear it. So, we were on tour in Europe when this record, like, I'm keeping it on brand. Am I supposed to look like darting the camera?

Am I just talking? We're just chatting. You want to talk to the masses. You were just here. You should have. We intruded on you. You said my axe to grind. So, we're in Europe and And satisfaction comes out, we get the record. And inside, James wearing an in a city shirt. Right, he is.

I'm like, but not at the time. I'm realizing, like, age of quarrel dude has our fucking Indicin shirt on. And then I got the poster. Not like I was a total morgue, but I bought the record. I got the poster. Jamie push buttons wear in the Indicid shirt. That's what I did. They all switch shirts.

Wow. There's a marauder shirt in the cut. Like, they all switch shirts between the photos. Wow. So that's satisfaction's got to be up there too. That's a perfect. I could put that on right now and be like everything. I was just with Heybree for a month,

watched them play basically all of it, and it never got boring every day. No, and that long perseverance, and I love the other stuff, but there's, I mean, nothing touches it, man. Satisfaction is like music, Mount Rushmore. It's just unbelievable. Wagner, Flight of the Valky's. The Phantom of the Opera.

Empty promises. What would you do? Would you go, not to take this over? I became Axegrine guy. Master killer or satisfaction. Don't. That's mom or dad, brother. You got it.

You got it. I got a good yet. They're getting divorced. I'm a dad man. You're a master killer guy? I think so. I'm a master killer guy. If you both of you didn't say master killer, it would be the most. Yeah, no, no.

Your podcast would crumble the pieces. I've always felt this way. I think it's shorter. I think there's... Oh, I don't have an argument. I do have an argument. I don't. I think it's a better record.

I won't argue. Satisfaction? No. Best go. Yes. I want to argue. Do you think it's better like, like, there's more rounded out songs in it and things like that? It's the argument.

It's 10 perfect song. Hey, Breed did a cover album. Covered Marauder. Marauder ain't covered, yeah. Period. It's true. It's true. We never know what Marauder does a practice.

Who knows? That's true. I'm sure Lumpy is busted out when he was in Marauder. Joe from Outbursts just told us that they had a whole tape of like Outburst, G.B. It was Outburst and G. It was three and two of the members. Running through all a vanishing point. With Arthur singing.

And he had a tape of it. And he lost it. It sounded just like that. Yeah, that was it, actually. He found it. Sir. See, I would think you wouldn't go satisfaction because you were more of a chord, like a meat and potatoes. It's a guy.

I am. He loves potatoes. He loves like, you know, like, I watch it, like, you could tell you. I also think, like, sonically, I think Master Killers is sonically better. I do think it sounds better. Imagine that was recorded in 95. I'm talking crazy. Miracle though.

You know? Yeah. You can, nobody's ever done that again. What I love about you. you Tom is I met you via you just being a supportive guy yeah all your bands not even just like me or bow or anything but like everybody like there's there's some people older music dude I don't want to at all that's fine it's cool older non derogatory you are to me amongst the Cavalera brothers the way they the way they support new upcoming

artists yeah Trevor Black Dahlia RIP there's these uh these guys that have been around their whole lives who keep that going and keep young bands going. And it's like that being nurtured by the generations before us is not only helpful but inspiring, which like now we are now driven. When we see young hardcore kids, we want to be like, hey, let's do for them what the tombs of the world did.

I appreciate that. It's true, though, because even when I was a kid, I was always nice of you, right? Always. I was obsessed with most precious blood, but. No, but when I remember, like, you being around and you were like a lot skin, you were a young kid. Yeah, I felt like I was always trying to be nice.

He was still building eight. Yeah, he wasn't, yeah. Now I got to be nice to him. Then I was just like, look at this guy. Well, anyway. Hey, Slim, come on. That's, but that's seriously, seriously is something that like we talked about before there

where it's like, that didn't always happen. No, but why the fuck not? I don't know, but like you, like what happened to you, you got beat up on. You got beat up on when you were younger. I got beat up on when I was younger and I would go to shows. Cory Williams throwing guitars with me like Spears. Exactly.

And now it happened. And now he loves me. Sweetest guy. But having having that person that's not doing that, that's being like, oh dude, you're in this band, you love this band? Like that's more important than anything. It's a fine line though, I think too.

Like you don't want to be like the fucking dusty guy, but like in my day. Yeah. Because I'll sit with like Greg or I would like sit with like Care Baron, tell me stories about blah blah, blah. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't want to be like the old guy being like, less reminous.

But, like, I would have loved to have someone being like, yo, man. Like, back then, like, we always talked about it. Like, people were like,

you're not allowed to have this burn fucking purple. Oh, you're not allowed to do that because you're like a new jack and you're a dork. Like, I remember what that felt like,

and funny enough, like some dude that like, at a marauder show, I got hit so hard I was hurt. My friends heard it above the music. Like, in the temple.

James Vitow got a black eye like that at CB's during AF. Oh. I had a black guy for about six months. Dude, He hit me in the temple, and I'm like, I'm looking at a fucking giant Irish head because I would have fucking went down. It's a great head.

And I saw the dude at Homefront, and Violin Way just played in Brooklyn. And I saw the guy. And I was like... You remember him? Oh, yeah. I mean, he was like an OG, like skinhead. This dude, Ferg. And I...

He killed him. You went, ah. Well, he had to get. And he was sitting down and go, you don't remember me, do you? And he goes... What, Benny Blanco from the Bronx? I did. I did. I did this to you.

No, I didn't. I go... Yeah, I remember me. I remember anything. That's the way you hit me. I'm like, you look, you didn't put me in a coma. But he goes, no, I was like, I mean, I knew him because I would hang out with him. But he was like, he's, you know, I was like, you hit me hard enough that all my friends heard it above Marauder.

It was like an eight ball hitting, like somebody's fake, like that famous eight ball video. That's what it sounded like, but it was a dude's arm against my fucking dumb head. But you didn't remember. He did not remember me. But it was like, I don't know five. He did that night. He was like, he was infamous for beating up people that I knew. because we were like the

we were like the new era like we were the new jacks to those dudes and you know I'll let the record show Tom Sheehan has never hit me once no no I mean I get my fucking arm snapped if I want to do that you kidding me look the size of you

I'm my boy yeah how easy is it being strange why not man so easy why the fuck not like it's tough sometimes because then you gotta deal with people that's really all it is it's all it is yeah it's on my ass

just being around non like really intoxicated people. Oh, yeah. That sucks. Oh, yeah. Probably easier if you're also drunk, I would imagine. Right, right. I kind of have fun doing it, no.

Yeah, I don't mind. Being around drunk people? And then they fall over and I'm, it's hilarious. My whole band is a, is a nightmare to be around. Oh. They really are. But it's awesome. Well, that's, yeah.

I mean, I get that, but I mean, like, being like around drunk civilians. Oh, no. No. No. Were there other strange dudes at the time when you were coming to show tonight? Um. no like me and Justin from Indecision and like maybe one or two other people

this was like like you've seen like the punishment video that's the people that came here so it's like everyone in like fucking like car heart and just like and then Tom just being like hey guys I got well I was telling the story I showed up I showed up at a show and I had a sound garden shirt

and I was like fuck they're gonna beat me up for wearing a fucking bad motor finger shirt because I look like a fucking herb and I also wore a I didn't expect to go to a show and it was a very sketchy show and I showed up in, I don't know if you guys remember the Donald Duck and the backwards hat, like, the thugged out Donald Duck.

I rolled up at fucking Lomor's at, like, at fight, it was Rob Halford's band. But like, every gang member was there, and I was like, why the fuck did I wear the shirt? Like, I want to go around the corner and, like, turn it out, inside out. Because I'm like, they're going to beat me up because I'm wearing this fucking shirt. Walking, just screaming herself.

I had to wear the dog. You had to wear this, right? You went to the beach. You didn't think you were going to fucking Joel. Yeah. The idea of you shopping for and picking out a lot of this. Well, I have to have this. Oh, I thought like 16.

Well, this is unbelievable. Yeah, like, I probably like my sister. It was like, you'll like this. It's thugged out Bugs Bunny. I don't know. Hey, man. I would wear that today. Yeah.

If I find it, it's yours, man. Thank you. Sleeveless, it'll work better. Oh. Say no more. Yeah. Jinks, you want me Coke. Diet.

Light. What's your plan for indecision now? Are you decisive about it? Pretty decisive. He's going to get a Coke? He has to break the... That's awesome. He's got to break the fucking thing.

We're going to know. He's miced up. We're going to know if he cheats. That's pretty funny. What happens if he cheats? He's going to get me a Coke. I jinxed him. And he can't talk until he gets him.

A good bit. It is good. You're going to be able to pick that up? 100%. Amazing. No, they record internally. Let's talk shit about Bo. Least favorite thing about Bo?

Least favorite thing? Yeah. It's a fucking stupid thing. face, dude. I like Bo. He's great. I love Bo. Part of this interruption, we got to talk to you about a few very important things.

First off being the Rumble. Bo, tell them about the Rumble. The Rumble is Chicago's hardcore festival that happens every summer. It's at Cobra Lounge. Both outdoor and indoor, there's pre-shows, there's main days, there's after shows. It goes from July 18th through the 20th. Who's playing this year, Bo? On the 19th, we got Weekend Notches, Rose and Soul, Bulldoze, are your main house.

headliners. Outstanding. On the 20th, we have the HopeCon. Modern Life is War, conservative military image, the homies. Wow. Boston and a little bit of hoy, you know. And also on Saturday, there's a little an after show with Week of Nachos at the Bee Kitchen. What? Wow. So double nacho weekend. Yeah, they're really putting in. They're coming back. They're back. They're back, man. And you could be part of this now. Go to the Rumble Chicago Instagram for tickets. Have a great time. Tickets, info, all the lineups sell the pre-show, after show. Check that out. It's also Manscape Time, baby.

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And when you're in Brooklyn, you best wash your ass. Back to this beautiful episode with Tom. What's your favorite thing to eat in Brooklyn? L&B, it's Money Gardens. You, you're an L&B guy. I'm an L&B guy. It's pretty good. People disit.

Like, that are from here, they'll disit. It's number two. What do you got? What was it? Rowan Roaster. Have you been in Roan Roaster? No. Well, it's garbage.

But it's good garbage. Industry's number one. Yeah, but that's like New Jack, like fantasy. Okay. Okay, burn long sleeves. I'm gatekeeping, man. There's no peat. I'm opening the gate.

They put barrage on. Yeah, but here's the thing. You like, New Park a lot too. I love New Park. See? Top five, easy. So, do you think New Park is... Is that the cold cheese place? No, that's a little... Oh, that's right. I, like, Craig a Head talks about it.

Ocean Boulevard or something. When they all, like, all the guys, like, yeah, do you have this? Yeah. Like, yeah. Five times. That's too Italian down there for me. It's pizza and I get out of it. Smolny Gardens number two. Easy. How is it that fluffy and that crunch?

It's the secret. It shouldn't be. The thing that should not be. You gotta get a half tray, you walk in, you feel like a fucking monster-in-ass for a half tray. You feel like-all, and then they go right over here. Yeah, yeah. So nice. You're like, you're only getting pizza, you sit outside, like the fucking slob that you are. You get ziti, you sit inside.

Yeah, you get fucking pizza, you're sitting outside with the pores. I just tried Spamoni a few minutes ago. What do you think? It's fine. Weird. It's not great. I like it. Water ice?

Water ice, almond water ice. Almond water ice. Almond milk. When I eat it, I eat it. I eat it, I think of wood for some reason. I like it. I like it. It's like wood polish, almonds, mint.

It's good. It's like you're finishing a floor, but you drop the almond in it and then you pick it up. I like it. Mike DeJohn said, on the record, he thinks sob is the first spin kicker. I mean. Would you think? I would think so. You have a voice in the debate of if it's chaka or if it's sobbed?

I don't think Chaka wasn't as like. out with his leg. He was more of like a baller. He was an amazing washer. But I think, I would say, sob or Dijon's brother. Really? Also a massive. There's a few Dijon's now.

James. That's who I'm talking. James is a professional wrestler. Yeah. He is. More than a big high. Mike's a big boy, too. His leg is his whole is Dan.

I forgot to bring it up with Mike, but why do he and Brian Audley look? So similar. Could be his dad. There's something there. It could be his father. I have a picture of the two of them talking, and it's crazy. It's insane. Wait a minute.

Come this way. Scoot down. Everything these guys said was bullshit. That was real. No, no, no. But I would think Saab was a hard mosh. I swear. So I was a hard masha.

Chaka did tell me one time that he, he, I asked him about, I saw it in a zine. I read it in a zine, and he said that he was the, he invented the spin kick. And then I asked him and he confirmed Well this is like there was like a documentary Like who created the wave and like people would argue like at baseball games Like I did it for it. No, I did it for it. This was the Seinfeld episode.

Yes. Oh, you're going too fast with that spin. Yeah, I think. Oh, yeah. I don't know what Chaka was an actual. I mean, you've seen it. You've seen it with your eyes. Incredible mosher.

Incredible mosher. But who was kicking higher? Fucking sob, 100%. I mean. So that's two for sob. Respect to all respect to Chaka. Oh, well, thank. Yeah.

But I think he... No, but, like, high... Like, you probably kicked higher. But top is a big dude. But, yeah, I mean, he was the guy he had to watch out for. And James Jeanne literally, there was nowhere you could stand

that his leg couldn't reach. Like, it was unbelievable. Um, but, yeah, I mean, I would say, I mean, personal biases included. Stop. And when you first walked in to this club... Yes.

Is that how Moshing was, like, right away? It was... It was pretty brutal. The karate shit was there right up. A little bit. I mean, Castle Heights definitely brought it to another. Castle Heights is the epicenter for the

elevation of of all... Every kid now that goes in Moshes, it came from Castle Hines. They're all doing a little Greg, pretty much. They wish they could do a little Greg, but I wish I could do a little bit. I mean... Amen. But that's what they're all doing. Yeah, it was pretty... I mean, a lot of like

my hands on fire, my head hurts kind of Mashi. Like, it wasn't as, you know, like, oh. Absolutely. The Hellfest dirt mosh. Right, right. This. But, yeah.

But, yeah. La da-da-da-da. The razzle dazzle. A little razzle. You got to give them. You got to give them a little razzle dazzle, you know. Sometimes. But yeah, it was pretty dangerous.

More like beatings than like mosh dangerous. Okay. For being honest. Beatings, stabbing. Oh, yeah. Some of those. Yeah. You know, I haven't really heard of a stabbing at a show in a long time.

Look at us. We're growing. We're growing. No stabbing. I mean, I've heard of a couple of beatings. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Whatever.

Brain damage. We give the shit. Yeah, it's fine. No, but yeah, I haven't heard of like a full-on, like, fucking, you know. Which it's like, I always heard, like, the story of Archie from Long Island getting knocked out at a Marauder show. sure at Cee's and his brother walking into Cs of a shotgun going, who did it? Yep. And just closing to everybody just stood there.

It was like, what do you say to that? Not me? It was not. I don't know you're talking about it. So, as a kid, like you said, like, oh, all the people that you looked up through like two years old. Yeah. So in decision recorded a demo and somehow got it to minus. And Justin sent it to him, whatever.

I'm at a show. And he goes, fucking new Jack Band sent me there. band sent me their demo asking me what I thought of it he's like I'm not no fucking psychiatrist and I was at the show and I was like yeah sadly that's awesome it's amazing and that's a funny like and then I think you know the story about the Pol Barre story yes so we were in in effect fanzine and uh marauder played with cheer terror and like sob was like kissing on chickie from from sheer terror and like Paul said some stuff that would be frowned upon.

And we just said like how he, you know, he's a legend, so he gets away with it. If I said it, I'd get fucking dragged out the door, whatever. Nothing bad. Yeah. And so I'm at some show at a Cornell Island High and Cheer Tower was playing up standing there. And he goes, just read some fucking fans.

What's that? What's the band? I'm going to say the slurs, so you might have to punch that. He goes, indecision bunch of fat fucking f***. Oh, my God. And literally the whole crowd went and looked at me and I went like now

it'd be like fuck you but then I was like 23 and I'm like it's Paul Bearer what am I gonna do you're at the show to see you I paid money I paid $10 $10

$10 American yeah to go see that dude and he was calling me a fuck and I was like fuck and then I mentioned it on the podcast and there's there's a record out

that's just his in-between song banter oh I love that that we made cut we're on there so I'm forever there I'm forever fucking wow yeah wow right like it's like Roger and a you know at C B's where you can like song from a little victim like like like god's hate kind of does that I mean shamelessly perfect but those who know no yeah and those who don't it's fine that's a thing that's a new thing for them which is cool I do it with that body too the uh is the song called not giving up it's called don't give up and all of a sudden your shirt short

And you're like, what happens? I don't know. It's all in the park. We're all doing other guys. Yeah. We're all doing other guys. Speaking of. Yeah, who do you do, Tom?

What do you do? Oh, we did this. I'll answer again. Say it again. This one's going to be a little bit bigger. Yeah, I was like, going to have to thought. I was just wanted, I went in to say hello. It was like, why are we not recording this?

I'm like, that's probably a good call. That was awesome. I go, I'm probably going Zach Delarocha, Bill Delarocha. Rob, Rob Fish. Yeah. Oh. Guys wild. And, you know, probably Tim VOD if I had to.

What do you think? What would you say? I think. I don't know. I think Tim VOD because... Like, that demo was mind-blown. It's insane. Like, it's absolutely insane.

But I can see the Tim VOD thing because a lot of the time, you, your arm... I do that. You do the arm behind the thing. I know. I don't do that. That's, yeah. Arm is like, that's a breathing maneuver. Is it?

Yeah, it's like a subconscious thing. I just thought it was like... Do you think it's going to like tense? No, it's something to do with your diaphragm. I would say those probably. I don't know. Same guy. He's still excited.

He's like, just going to follow Beto. They're down. You know what's a good demise anecdote? The Dawn. Hoyer asked for... He was like, you should write a song called The Dom. So the lyrics are about like a mafia dawn. Amazing.

But he meant the dawn. Like the early morning. Amazing. And the lyrics are like incredible. I'll leave you with my kingdom. I'll leave you with my legacy. That's like, that's a boss.

But it's the dawn. But it's the dawn. Here's my question. The dawn. For you guys. For like the younger folks. How did you get demise? How did you find out about demise being across the country and not being?

Some media fire link on some. I find it fascinating. You guys are like, OG, like, I could talk to you about, like, any random Brooklyn band. You're like, yeah, I got the demo. Because when you, it's like Pringles, Tom. Once you just have one. I need them.

But I just wondered, like, it wasn't on lost and found or anything. Soul seek would have been my answer. That makes sense. Like, somebody's library and just downloading all of it and seeing. I have this old brother. Taylor's.

Who, it was like, listen to this or... You're done. And he would find these. I mean, it's just, I always find it impressive because there was so much stuff that I'm like, like when confusion is like a thing that like, like the dudes from Soul Search like talk to Mike and was like, we loved confusion.

I'm like, how do you know about that? Like that's amazing. They're called Soul Search. Right. It's a demise song. Yeah. But like I know, but like how did you find demise and confusion?

There were a lot of things that were hidden for a long time. Right. I meant, you know, even when you hear about that Eddie Leeway Marauder demo. Yeah. That's like a well known thing now, but that was like lore. Like they didn't play many shows.

You just heard that he did that. Yeah. And somebody got it one day and was like, dude, I found it. Yeah. I remember the day that broke, I feel like. I think I do, too. Mid-2000s, I feel like it, like, re-brook.

Yeah. It came back out. What was like, Walter sings the hits? You ever hear that? Oh. Walter literally sings start today. Yeah. Like, to teach Siv how to sing what he's.

Right. And it sounds like seven seconds. It's amazing. There's, like, Ray and Porcel acoustic songs that were like a joke, basically, but made it out. Like, all kinds of weird stuff. But yeah, Steve Aoki, apparently, it's the guy who leaked the, leaked the Walter. Fucker.

Yeah. Really? Apparently, that was a big rumor. K-throwing, son of a bitch. He's got an arm on him. Let me ask you one. He does get a can. Here's a fun one.

Yes. You have a modern Mount Rushmore from like 2010, because you keep up. Yeah, you're one more than just about any guy from like 2010 on. Yeah, but I'm surrounded by 2010 on. Don't. President Company excluded, how's that? So it's not weird. Yeah, good.

Tramped under ice. 100%. 100%. Big Kiss Good Night? Yeah, which record? That's the one. That's the one. I do love secrets of the world.

Oh, no, it's like... It's all good. It's all good. It's 99 and 100, you know? Incendiary. Oh. Which one? Oh, I got to pick a record?

Ah. The second, the first closed casket one. Cost of love. That's my favorite. Yeah, that one's amazing. I do love and love there is not. Hey, thanks. I really do.

I really, really do. I like you, too. Thanks. Who else? Mine Force? The one before that, this newest one? I love New Lords, but I actually like a Scalibular. I like the New Lords one a lot.

It's more, there's more to it. Yeah. And one more band. Uh, da-tip-tip-tip-ta. Fuck. Trying to think. Fast one, let's see. Nails is up there.

Are they post-2010? Yeah, Unsolent Death is 20-10. Oh, okay. I like though you, yeah, well, so, yeah, same thing. Yeah. Um Strainer ice would technically be Yeah

sure too Yeah right Um I'm gonna go no warning Does that count You can put the nearest They ran the 2000s They ran the 2000s

They did run the 2000s They're they like redefined the 2000 Yeah Illblood is the age of quarrel In the 2000 Oh foundation There you go

Yeah that makes I think that's fair Very nice Because I mean if you think Of like their impact He'd be listening There's newer stuff to. Yeah. But you gotta give it some time. I'm out there's stuff that's amazing now that you're

like give it a couple of years and it'll still be great but then it'll have like stood the test of time and not just there was stuff I listened to 10 years ago that probably you're like the hell was I thinking right. Yeah right. Right. Happens quite often. What do you hope for the future? I mean of the world. New York is like the boroughs are integrated. John Scanlan and Backtrack brought them all together. They really did. United. What does that like to see? Ronnie, Hernick, they all brought it. It's all... Especially, Hernick brought them all together. Exactly. He's still doing it. He's still

doing it, just by living. There's no beef anymore. It's like we're all together in one unity. Hernic. Thanks, Herne. What do I want to say, like, in terms of hardcore? Yeah. More DIY venues. Like, a little bit less, like...

Yeah, I want to bring the country club back when I win the... The lottery. Right. I mean, I just want to see it continue. I want to see, you know, someone, and it's sort of cheesy, but it works. Like, it's all ages on both ends of the spectrum. Yeah. I don't want to, I don't want to see myself at one point being like, what the fuck are you doing here?

You'll never be that guy. You don't know that, though. You don't know that. Because I remember as a kid, I'd be like, who the fuck? There weren't that many people like me. There's one guy that I know wouldn't do it. It's you. Well, no, not me, but people would be like, I'm the guy that, like, I told the story on

the podcast the other day. I was at the One Step Closer show. Some young girl, probably 20, comes up to, she's like, are you having fun? I go, yeah. And she's like, who are you here to see? I'm like, one step closer and blah, and inclin, oh, inclination. And she was like, okay, she thought I was like, I was like, yo, I got fucking trade that shirt on, man. Your son was there. Right, like, I'm really proud of my, my young nephew. But I'm like, you know, so I don't, I never want to be the guy that they're like, oh. Yeah, but that could have been a, a, you leave him alone. It could have been the DIY show and it could have happened. You know what I mean? Oh no, no, but I'm saying

in general, I hope that like there's room for both. There is though. That's what this whole thing is. There's room for everybody. And make room for each other is what I'm saying. And I think, you know, and I think, you know, hardcore rules and there's so much shit to learn. Like, you don't

have, it's not like a test, like you don't have to fucking go back and know every, you know, 1980s ban. There's a lot of shit out there. There's a lot of garbage out there, too. Don't get me wrong. And there's a lot of shit that, I don't know. A lot of shit that, you Of course. We all don't know. We're all learning about.

I mean, great hardcore is the best music ever made. Yeah. Bad hardcore is the worst music ever made. Period. Like Taco Bell, you know? Seriously. But like, yeah.

All Taco Bell. There's a lot of stuff out there. Like, we talk about, like, minor threat's not a thing anymore, which is crazy. Yeah. I don't know if that. Our buddy Brody, when I got a minor threat tattoo, he's like, why would you get a shitty band tattoo? I'm like, why? He's insane.

Mine Threat. All right. All right. All right. He's hit his head to me. A couple of pile drivers. Get struck weekly. It's true.

Right, right. I didn't say anything, Brody. I love you, Brody. But yeah, I think, you know, it's in a great place. I hope it continues. And I hope it's, you know, it's... How do you feel about seeing things like going from a 100-person thing of your youth? Like, we all did.

Yeah. And then how commercial certain aspects of hardcore have become. I mean, I think it sucks a little bit, but it's the coolest thing going. So why wouldn't people want to use it to sell their shit? Always. Yeah, I think that's it. Always. Yeah, I think that's it.

Scowl's getting all these opportunities. I'm like, of course they're fucking awesome. They all are awesome. Like, they all look cool. Like, why wouldn't you want to be the fucking guitar playing in Scott? Yeah. Every thing always steals from hardcore. Always.

All of it. If you go to the gym, every graphic t-shirt you see is some... You have to double take it. Is that a, oh no? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think it's the coolest thing, so, of course, people are going to fucking use it. You remember when you see a tattooed guy and just know he's heard terror? Yeah.

Not anymore. No, no. I mean, even terror. They have, their 2010 post-2010 is, it's fucking same. Every record they write could maybe be their best one. Which is, it's unbelievable. It's unheard of. Damn shame.

Come on. They were trying to get, I was, I was working with Vogel to get, Cannibal Corpse is playing down the street from the show to the other night. He could have come. And I was like, dude, you got to get fucking corpse grinding down to do his part. Dude a song. Can't up and hate. No sold them.

No song. Dude, a six-minute Uber ride down the street hit he didn't. I would have paid it myself. I would have fucking carried them on my back together 100%. They were going because tar was on at 9 cannibal corpse was on a 10.

I'm like, dude, open with it, let him fucking do his thing and get out of you. Give him a couple of stuff to animals, fucking send him out the door. 100%.

Target gift card. You know what I'm saying? But, uh... Target gift card. Just be like, hey, buddy, thanks for your hard work. But your heart corkors in a great spot.

I think you have to be careful because there's always fucking leeches and vultures, culture vultures that can steal our shit. But, you know, are we cutting off the vultures? No, I'm telling them to fuck off.

No, but you know what I mean? Like, I think the bands that are doing it, like they know what they're doing. Yeah. Like, I trust them. Smart. Yeah, and like, but just be careful because. It's like that, it's not going to last forever.

Right. So get it while you can. Exactly. Maybe get the smaller house. Get the smaller. You don't have to get the fucking. Right. Exactly.

You know, get a 30. And now, you know, like. I'm out of 42. Come on. More Cuban? Relax, man. Like, you know, like, um, that fucking PBR money is going to go away sometime.

Yeah. It really is. Did you guys ever play any of those fucking Flyover Fest is a PBR one? It's a PBR one. Oh, not even that. No, what was the Sion? The Sion. You guys played Sion. Arm's Wade never did. I did a Sion tour.

Really? You played the Sion venue? Sure. Okay. We never did one of the fests or shows. I figured you guys were told you like it would make sense. The free shows? Yeah, yeah. It was literally a Sion dealership that show. That's awesome. Wow. Ringworm

Bitter and Nails New Lows was a Sion It was a sign of tour. So I played drums and new lows at the time. And they were given a Sion XD as the tour car. So this has been happening forever. I wasn't paid. I didn't ask for money.

I did, however, ask for socks. 40 pairs of silent socks. Which people still talk about. They're like the greatest socks. I still got about 12. Question. Cyan exists anymore? No.

No, it's gone. It was Toyota. Weird. Weird. Weird. Yeah. They spent all their budget. And then they were like.

But they justified it as like, if one person. person who went to this bought a car it was paid for how can that be it's less than a commercial true oh and the return is easy yeah pretty cool yeah there was a couple good ones and we're here we're talking about yeah we're bringing it back tens of thousands of people what can you remember an early example of that like what's the first time you remember some kind of non music nonsense like Yeah. I mean, they were always like, like, a college music journal was like the CMJ festival

that they used to do in New York that was always kind of... That seems adjacent. Mixed, but it would be like, sponsored by blah, blah, blah, blah. But it would be like, you know, I saw like, you know, coalesce and fucking converge here and then went to go see like Julianna Hatfield there. And, like, it was all, like, one... I got you. And you played, like, a show and you got, like, a pass and you got to go wherever you wanted.

But it was definitely, like, that kind of, like, spin magazine presents, blah, blah, blah. Oh, right, yeah. No one's, but no one was seeing the money. No. Right. It wasn't individual. Yeah, no one's not in the bands. Like individually now it's like bands are actually getting money.

Like, good for fucking, like, you know, man, being poor on tour sucks. Yes, it does. So you have extra money to like, if someone wants to sponsor your tour and you're not doing any damage. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not like you're like, if fucking monster was like, here's 10 grand, get out there. Do it. Monster. We can, we can wax fantastic about the time when you, oh, there was never any sponsors.

and tours were awful and you were in the van. Like, I remember being on tours where I would have to steal food. Yes. Because I legitimately had no money. That sucked. That sucks. I don't want anybody to have to do that. You would take it to them on them taco bell cords?

Yeah. Oh, my God. If you offered me this many of them, I would have gone through them. Consecutively. It would have been dealing them out like poker. This is a beautiful day in Brooklyn. It really is. Thank you so much for joining us.

Tom and Bo, thank you. Dan, thanks for setting us up. Yes. Yes. Thank you guys. I was just hanging out in the corner. You didn't all that's right. I'm sorry. You keep hanging out with these guys. Executive producer Aaron Warman. Yeah, he was a real one.

We'll get him a line producer. Line producer. Best boy? Not even. Grip. Grip. No key grip. No key. No key. Just grip. All right grip.

Guerrilla grip. Yeah, you need grip. Well, Tom, you're the best. Thank you guys. She's coming. Oh, Lord, she's coming. She's coming. She's got a little Italy back.

Thank you so much. That's where we're headed right now. Thank you, my man. Thank you. It was a pleasure. You can hear this man every week talking about this. I don't know why, but yes. Waxing prophetic.

Waning prophetic. Waxing and waning. Give us. What's the other one? See you in Manhattan.