HardLore - No Way For Harms Way

Episode Date: April 27, 2022

Colin Young (God's Hate) and Bo Lueders (Harms Way) discuss the sleep-deprived 6 week European tour that both of their bands did together in 2013, dubbed within their circle as the “Summer of Hell.���   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, everybody. Welcome to episode two of hard lore stories from tour. We're going to pick up right where we left off talking about our European tour in the summer of 2013. Let's go. Because this was a sprinter van. It's the same one that everybody fucking had. Everybody's got it. Every band ever has been in this van, in this van. Oh, the same exact.

Same exact one. Yeah, not even like the same model. It's this van. Like the Norbit DVD that I watched on the last tour was still there. I've seen in orbit many times now. So there's 12 of us? Let's, let's think. Was this the thing with Rick?

Yes. Yes. Oh, man. So there was going to be six in harm's way. Who even played for us at the time? Taylor did. That's right. Taylor did.

That's why they were only going to be six. Taylor and Andrews. Yes. Yes. My brother and Andrew Morrissey were playing for him. And that allowed Baker to come. Sure did. Right. Beloved Baker.

Beloved Baker. Yeah. A guy who we eventually took on a fucking world tour, you know. The guys that you meet people. I went to his wedding. You know what I mean? It's fucking. The guys that we bring like flourish.

Yeah. Like we brought Gabe the Pigeon on tour and he was our photographer. and now he's like... Now he took flight. He really did. He found his wings. Pigeon found them wings. Good for him.

So there was going to be 13 people. That was the plan. And I would say about, like comfortably, maybe eight fit in there. Because what, there's three benches and then the loft? Three benches and the loft. And shotgun. Yeah, the loft fits two,

but we would squeeze three in there. Overnights. Oh. And I have a record of every overnight driving here. So we can get there. Do you, are there any, like, it started off in the UK. So it was like, oh, we're in the UK. Like the first show was in Southampton.

That wasn't great. Right. I remember being blown away at how much fucking gear we had. We had a lot of gear. Do you remember that? It was a huge trailer. Well, you got to remember, I'm the singer. So gear ain't my bag.

At the time, it was like, that's crazy. Good, good, that sucks for them. Wow. About all that gear. So I wasn't, I wasn't involved in that. But, um, I remember at that first show thinking like, you know, this was, we're in, we're in like a random town in the UK. So we'll see, you know.

And then the next day was a fest was ghost fest. Do you remember where we slept? No, please tell me. I, this can't offend anyone. So we have to be kind of careful about some stories, right? Because, like, there are people who probably don't want things spoken about. Of course. So, but the good thing about this story is, I have no idea who this was.

It was a total random. There you go. We stayed at some girls' apartment before the fest who lived on campus. I did, too. The whole tour. Thank God for the show, dude. There's so many things. My brain cells are fried, so.

Maybe this will jar your memory. I was sleeping. And I, there was like, I was in the kitchen. The cat? No. I rolled over and there was a used condom next to the trash can, like eight inches away from me. Me and Mike found it. And we were both just like, dude, you know, like what the fuck is, you know, we took a pillow that someone was using and just put it over because we didn't want the host to be like, oh my God.

Yeah. Maybe you don't come back from that. Maybe the pillows there and they'll think like, oh, maybe they didn't see it. Yeah. So that's how we started the morning. That was the morning of Ghost Fest. I remember Harmsway was like main stage. Like it was awesome.

And this is where I've kind of learned very early on. Like, oh, we are, we ain't shit in Europe yet. We were like third on the fucking peanut stage or something. The fucking, the Snoopy stage. Yeah. We were like. We were on the middle stage. But it was like, but that middle was like, that was the one you wanted to be.

Yeah. We also, we got to talk about how Rick rode with us in England a little bit and then didn't because the driver wanted to follow the rules. I did not want anyone permanently in the loft because if you get pulled over in Europe, everyone has to have a seat. Yeah. So our friend who was living in England at the time, just had his vacation just completely cancel taken up from under him

and that was where I met Rick as well that's right I'm a big fan big fan love me some Rick Leeds Ghost Fest next day was Plymouth UK at the White Rabbit couldn't couldn't describe that to you if you put a gun to my head Birmingham UK I do remember that one me too so I'm thinking that was quite cool we was playing Birmingham

I think napalm death was just like chilling downstairs I remember something like that yeah they were they were downstairs eating while we were playing talking about silverson pickups wow I love silversome pickups this was also when a prime by friends i chillin picture was taken dude i chillin was the oh my god you just like restored a core memory

Holy shit If you look at the I-chillin hashtag I C-H-I-L-E-N on Instagram you'll see like nothing but pictures from this tour Yeah, that's true So please

So please There's a video There's a photo log of this tour I-chillin Bristol at the Croft Don't remember No crazy drives yet So we're thinking like

It was wonderful And we're kind of comfortable You know, we're not sleeping. We're tired because it's like we're all, we don't fit in this van. No, and you have to leave at eight or nine in the morning because he can only go so fast because of the trailer and the laws and shit. And that's the thing is you see some of these drives

and there are four to six hours and you think like, oh, this is fine. But like four to six hours in a van and trailer is six to eight. Absolutely. Yeah. So some of these drives that are seven to nine were like 12 to 15. sitting up packed like sergeants. And that became just about, like once we hit mainland Europe,

after London, London to Einhoven was... I chipped my tooth in Einhoven during the twitching tongue set. I was pitting for some part and I just chipped it. And I remember, I remember hitting a Dutch dude and be like, I chipped my tooth and he just went... He just like, no sold me. That sucks for you. I am insured. I'm

So that was like London to Einhoven was like That's an eight hour drive Without ferries and in a car Yeah Yeah So that was if you look at the days It's there's not a day off

Until we forced one Yeah How are we going to talk about that Wink wink wink I don't give a fuck Yeah I'll talk about it And then there was one more day off Three weeks later

looking at these dates is actually crazy it hurts to look at just to think about what we did we need to also stress that there was another band on tour with us Australian band of course I just remember too I exist is what they're called avocado booking put them on the tour

and I remember thinking like we got this tour with the Hummers Way but like this Australian man's on there I don't know anything about them I think all I knew about Australians was what I'd seen in movies It was like, oh my God, they're just going to, their booze hounds. They're going to grow. And they're going to fight.

And like they did, but happened to be like the loveliest. The most responsible. Friends to this day. Yeah. Shout out Aaron. Aaron Osborne. Just one of the greatest people to ever live. Truly.

Without a doubt. I tell him all the time. He's an honorary American. Like he's so loved throughout the country. He's a, he's a. I would say. He's a looters young. Exactly.

Aaron, if you're watching, thank you for, thank you for being a friend. I exist, drove themselves, did like how to do everything themselves. On the wrong side of the road. On the wrong side of the road. For them. For them. Exactly. In Europe.

Yeah. So just wild that they were a part of it. I'm so glad that they were now because what a lovely kinship that was born from that. Fantastic. Uh, Einhoven to... I don't remember Ludenshed. I don't remember Ludenshed even a little bit. Actually, that was when the guy brought food.

And we hounded it. Like the cuss-cus? He brought groceries and we just started going at it. And he was like, guys, please. Do you remember that? I am preparing you lunch. Don't... Yeah, yeah, basically.

Was it with Hormsway, the watermelon thing? I don't know. I remember this show now. You guys had a really good set and we did. And Lundgen? Yeah, you guys killed it in Germany. There were, yeah, Germany was like, that was, Germany and like Belgium were our, where our spots and not much else.

I remember. Paris. Paris was unbelievable. A band, a band played that everyone was psyched about. I can't remember who it was, but it was, it was, it was like dudes from True Blue or something. Like, it was like something. Oh, the ice? The ice.

Yeah, they played that show. The ice was awesome. Yeah. Wait, was this? No, this was. wasn't barbecue beach barbecue beach fest that was the different tour that was actually what it's called however this night Colin we played a very faithful game of uno it wasn't really uno we all drew cards for a bed spot because we had to drive all the way to austria

dude we that was every night with this card this is the one where i really you gave me a spot i i had like given you a spot when i wasn't tired and like i got a bad card and you gave me your like you paid me back. Yeah, it saved me. Honestly, I am like amazing. What else do you like about me?

So we drew cards. We only had uno cards, but we drew cards to see who would sleep where in the van. And basically what it boiled down to is like three people were going to go in the loft, two people on the two front benches

and then two people on the floor and then three people had to be all on the back bench sitting up all night. And one person was going to be in the fucking middle. without a window to lean on, and then Taylor sat shock on the entire tour. So he was fine.

And Colin gave me a good spot, and I slept on the floor in the front. I thought that would be the best spot. It kind of was. I mean, like the loft. The loft with three is rough. It's fucking brutal, dude. Because you kind of got to go head toe. Yeah.

And if your head is back there. Yeah. The head back there was like the most claustrophobic I think I've ever been. Dude, it was crazy. Because, like, the loft, people hear loft and you're like, sounds fucking sick. Yeah. But in reality, it's like, the mattress is, ends here and the top of the van is here. So there's like, there's room for a body, but it's like you're being cremated and like you're in your resting place.

You're a fist away from the ceiling. Exactly. So it's not, it's better than sitting up, but like with this many people barely. And we're approaching the time of this tour where this was every day. And I genuinely can count on my hand, on one hand, the amount of like normal nights of sleep that any of us had. Oh, yeah. Throughout this journey.

Absolutely. Because we're getting, we're getting into some heat now. Yeah. Also, I was wrong. The ice show is Carl Zruhe. I remember that now. I remember that. because I okay so we played Salzburg it was a fest

do you remember that was that the fest where Leo was moshing and Taylor it was like threatening to beat the guy up while on stage for Holmesway I think so yeah Terror played in the main venue and we played on the side right and Salisburg was beautiful I remember we like went walking around it was like you dude that city was unbelievable it looked like a like an American college town but with like mountains like mountains and castles

it looked like Banda Brothers was filmed there which you probably were I could see that it was beautiful Carl's Rue I don't remember but I remember the ice playing and I remember the show being awesome it was awesome

your set I remember I was by the soundboard I remember just being like holy shit like everyone was into it for twitching tongs only and like you guys sound it was just like a really good set I remember that vividly but I also recall

like halfway through like there were definitely at for UK was kind of rough for twitching tongues and then like mainland got really good and then like halfway through the tour the no way for harm's way stuff started really popping off I remember it started in Berlin I remember it but it like helped you guys yeah we'll get it was crazy we'll get there yeah okay I guess well I guess when we get to oh yeah we got to be I got to talk about this. Yeah, you got to talk. Okay.

So, dude, there's another Kyle Thomas story wrapped up. Classic one, dude. This became like the Kyle Thomas story. What do I do? So we play Paris. It's like unbelievable. We're playing in one of the hottest shows of all time. Easy.

All of my pedals died and shit. Like everything melted from the moisture and the power. And I was getting shocked from the mic the whole time. And it didn't even matter. Didn't matter. We were, it was an amazing show. We closed the show by covering kickback, and that was like, that was like why we were eventually asked to play Help Us. So that was pretty cool.

Wow. It was like, that show was the reason we got to play Help Us, which ended up being like the coolest thing we ever did. Yeah, same. The show ends and we're all just like, we're saying at this Witch's House. I'm not, I'm not joking. A literal witch. She was a practicing witch. I don't know if she was like Wicked in or whatever.

She was very sweet. She was very nice. Mike and I slept in her bed. She slept in a tent outside and pretty much let the band have the whole house. And then the Australians, of course, slept in tents too because they're fucking insane. I remember thinking, like,

how does this witch know us? You know, like, how is this witch okay with this? And then I saw that she pre-ordered the disgrace Songs of Suffering Record. And I was like, oh, she's down. She's down. She knows. Like, this witch is, like, tapped in.

Dude, Mike and I slept in her bed and adjacent to the headboard was a door. And while we were like getting settled, she was in the room getting stuff. And I said, hey, what's in there? Just curious if there was more room. Because we were all all over the place. And she turned around stone cold and said, you don't want to go in there. And that's it. That was end of discussion.

I would, the only, the only beef I have with her is that she definitely probably, she snitched on us, right? She snitched on the tour. So here's what happened. If you look at the routing, it goes, Paris, Marseilles, Burdoux, Nantes. So it has us basically crisscrossing the entire country. Literally, it's Paris. Yeah, it's like going, it's like going literally L.A., San Francisco, San Diego, Sacramento. Yeah, it would have been the same exact thing.

It's like doing that. We were so angry at this booking and like we were, we were shot, dude. We were already fucked up, and this is like week two. Dude, we haven't even talked about the heat. Oh, it was, it was the summer of hell. That was not, I was not exaggerating at all. And nowhere in Europe has fucking air conditioning for some reason. I don't even know if our van did.

The van did. Okay. But as soon as like you walked out of the van, you were suffering. Yeah, it was, it was unbelievably. The non-show, I remember specifically was like, to this day, the hottest show I've ever played. Like we were, like, everybody was like shower wet. Yeah.

But in Paris, we were so, we were just pissed off at this driving, the booking and everything that we decided we were dropping the show the next day. We were excited to play that show because of the Tony Hawk map. That's true. You know, that was like, oh, we'll go see the Tony Hawk map. Yeah. But it's not worth driving eight hours. No. And none of us had ever had a day off. In Paris.

In Paris, right? So it's like, yeah. It's like, oh, if we're going to drop one, like this is it. This is the one. We all needed a day off. Like, it was brutal. The promoter was not happy. He was really pissed.

I emailed him, which is funny because I'm like, nowadays, I'm not like communications guy at all. You were the one that did it? I was, because I was like, I don't fucking care. I literally didn't know him. It probably optics-wise wasn't like the best thing. Well, let's look. We were young.

Yeah. We were like band wise. We were, we were in our twilight years. Is Twilight old? No, that's old. Twilight's old. We're in our reverse twilight years. We were just dawning.

And we didn't take into consideration that this guy, whoever put on the show, we don't know his name to this day, but maybe he lost a deposit on a venue or something hopefully. So apologies to him. Yeah. That's not something we would do today. Today, we just wouldn't have ever allowed the booking to go. there. But that's not his fault. You don't, you don't know that like these are things you can do,

that you can just be like, hey, we don't want to do this. And the promoter will be like, or the agent will be like, okay. Yeah. It was just like, before it was like, oh, I work for you. I'm the band. And now it's, it's, that's not the case. Yeah. So we didn't play that show. He was pissed and like knew that he said that, what did he say, enjoy your day off. Enjoy your day off in Paris, in all caps. And he said that he was in the shit. I know, it's not great. It's kind of funny, but it's not great. You know, this is, but this is honesty hour.

It is honestly the hour, and it's almost 10 years later. Yeah, and it was literally where this is the ninth anniversary. So we did play Bordeaux, France, which I don't remember. Got to talk about Paris. Got to talk about Paris. Oh, God. Paris. Okay, so this lovely day off in Paris.

You'll edit all this. You can cut a bunch of shit. Yeah, I don't even think I'll have. to though like who cares no i literally don't um Paris it was like all right guys we're going to hit the town yeah we're going to have a great day together we're all going to hang out it's going to be beautiful uh so the the witch lives down the street from the train that like takes you to central paris we're all getting on it together harm's way is dressed to the nines dude we were we're dressed really nice i don't do you have a picture i'm

looking for it right now it's it's on my instagram so if you don't find it i can put it up you guys were like you guys were like brunch attire for this parish trip and i was i was in just like a bolt thrower shirt and what's really amazing is this is where i wound up in the there we go there we are in that outfit i wound up in the back of somebody's tinder picture a random tinder profile picture somebody somebody matched with this girl who had that was her tinder picture in front of the Eiffel Tower and I'm in the background I have the picture and here it is I see unbelievable look at how nice we're dressed you guys are dressed to the night I don't know we were just like hey it's Paris let's put on our fucking Sunday best I'm also wearing

shorts which is I do not wear shorts like unless I'm exercising yeah I don't know that guy you guys I mean also it was it was 400 degrees Celsius So Chris Mills looking fuck that was where I started calling him Christobel. Christelbel because he just had that, he was like, look at you man, your name ain't Chris.

Yeah, he was just a soccer player. Yeah, Christabel Milhoven. All right. But so we're getting on the train to go downtown. Notice an omission from the photo is our base player at the time, Kyle Thomas. Because as we're getting on the

train, he is at the vending machine on the other side of the station buying a Coca-Cola. The train doors are closing and he runs a bottle in hand, slams against the door and goes, what do I do? And we're like, we were trying to tell them like next stop. Next stop.

We'll meet you at the next stop. And this is like, I don't think people understand now. Like if you turn your cell phone on for one second in Europe, your bill was $1,000. Yeah, at the time. Yeah. And like,

you couldn't do it. Yeah. And like the GPS shit didn't really work. And like Wi-Fi was fucking nowhere, especially at this train station by a witch's house. Yeah, not happening. So Kyle doesn't get on the next train. We stay at the next stop for like 45 minutes. A couple trains worth, yeah.

So we're just like, all right, Kyle's on his own. He can go back and hang out with the witch. So I guess he ended up. He went out with the Australians. Yeah, there you go. insane. Absolutely. The image of him in front of the door with the coke and hand.

Just being like, what do I do? I'll never forget it. Never. Genius. But then we had a beautiful day. I did like everything I've ever wanted to do in Paris aside from the catacombs. Yeah, which were closed anyway. No, the Louvre was closed.

Oh, you're right. The catacombs had a four hour wait. Because, dude, we, it was a Tuesday or something or like a Monday. or something and like it was the Louvre is closed like every Tuesday and that was the day that our day off was and it was just like of course but the catacombs yeah it was a four hour wait um not bordeaux i don't remember do you remember yeah bordeaux was where we the we were in the upstairs and it was all wood and it was super fucking hot so i opened up the the like wooden like curtains the window cover out to the street to get some air in and some lady

across the street in French was yelling at me because of the noise. And like me and someone else were just like, yeah, I'm sorry. You know, it's fucking... That wasn't Nant? No, not. Nats was on Chris's Cristobel's birthday. So I remember going out, Nantes is next to like a boardwalk. Next to like a river.

And there's like these like neon... So Bordeaux was the one where we were in like an attic as the green room? Yes. Okay, that might have been the hot show. Yeah, that's okay. Now we agree. because that is the hottest environment. Yeah, then it was, it was Bordeaux.

I got that, I got the cities mixed up. Nats was like a smaller, it was like a crust house upstairs that we played. It was like a smaller event, yeah. I got nothing. We went, we tried to go out for Chris's birthday to get some lunch or dinner at the time. And the guy, we said, do you speak English?

And he said, yes, we ordered four Cokes and we were going to wait to see menus. He just never brought him, so we just left. We waited like 30 minutes And the guy just straight up He's just like I told these guys He's in the back calling a guy in English Like these fucking guys just showed up

Dorses dressed to the nine still for some To rest of the nines dude You guys were in your country club Astire Antwerp metal fest Oh yeah That's when we played on a mini stage And body count played on the big stage

Dude I got nothing No not body count Not body count It's a New York band No, wait. Was it Dead Force Honor? No, that's Berlin. Okay.

We played on a small stage that was just made of all the wires. Like all the cables for the snake and the mics and everything. Like you couldn't stand on, I took a picture of it, I remember. Like you couldn't stand on the wood of the stage. It was just only came. Because there was just shit on there. I can, you couldn't, again, I couldn't be paid to remember this. But if it was in Antwerp, I'm sure it was good.

Yeah. Someone headlined that we were like kind of psyched about, but I can't remember who. Couldn't tell you. A Schaffenberg at Katakom. Nine hour drive, by the way. Oh, not to Antwerp was a 12-hour drive. All overnight. All of these drives are overnight.

Like we stayed in a hotel zero times. Zero times. Two or three, I think you got an ibis. We got an ibis in Vienna, which was... A fucking godsend, which is also almost two weeks later. And also like we didn't. So it was like us being like. But then we invited you in.

Eventually, yeah. Yeah. Well, not a bad. Wasn't it the next day? No, no, no. When we got there, we said like, you guys should come in and there was no room for the Australians and we felt bad. But I remember. I remember chilling at the arena, Alina Wien, place for one.

while. And I have this amazing picture of Leo sitting on the couch with his pants at his ankles. And I was like around the corner so all you could see was like legs coming down and pants at ankles. I don't remember Ashafenburg. I don't either. Berlin. Berlin was great. My brother's birthday. Alex Samoa was at the show. That's right. No. Wait, so he was at two shows? Berlin was the one where he got in the fight and we'd stopped it. Wow, because he was also in Denmark. Yeah, I mean, he was a nomad at the time. Yeah, okay, okay.

I didn't know he was there at the time. Yeah, he came to Berlin. He was moshing as hard as humanly possible when we played Preacher Man to the point where like the whole show tried to fight him. So it was like, twitching tongues got off stage, like still playing the songs to be like, no. I got back on stage, kept playing. And then you could hear people being like, please stop! Because he was just whooping ass.

Death Porta Sonner headline the show, which was cool. It was cool, actually. They're massive. And there were people there, man. Fuck you. Yeah. Dude, it felt so good. It was finally.

There was someone at a fucking show. And this was the day that we found out about no way for harm's way. there was an online petition so you guys made this Facebook you guys made this type of negative ripoff shirt that you can pull up now yeah that you gave me by the way I did give it to you I was wondering where I went and thank you for thank you for timing didn't fit me no more and it's you know it's not super offensive yeah it's it's misogynistic but it's like that's the bit you know I'm not going to defend it because it's obviously dated It says provide, protect, procreate are pledged to women. That's what it says on the bottom. Which, like, it's tongue in cheek about, it's like Peter Steele's whole fucking... Yeah, he's like a barbarian and a war. Exactly.

That's that, yeah. So it like... There's a reason I'm wearing this shirt. I'll get there. So basically, because of this shirt that we made, some people were offended by it and tried to get us kicked off of a festival. that was happening in the Czech Republic, that is like a super left-wing fest called flufffest.

Basically what the tour was booked around. Right, yeah, because... Was our bands playing football? We were getting paid pretty well because it was like a state vote of thing, I think. It was basically that a... We're promoting the patriarchy because we had James in a ski mask

with a sledgehammer on it, which was done really well, by the way. Yeah, it's a cool idea. And then it had the quote on the... bottom, which is like we would never make that today. We just wouldn't. But again, at the time, it was just kind of like, yeah, it's, it's James. Like, it's funny. We didn't think about it as like a statement. We thought it about it being James. And they also said that because of Warriors will reign, because we say blood so pure,

it's about straight edge. But they, of course, thought that it was like a white supremacist thing. We also had vinyl in red, white, and blue on the tour. But I don't think they knew that. That's the one where, like, I think Defeater got some ship. flip fest and their back this is a crazy thing to do internationally their backdrop just was the american flag yeah which like think about doing that today it's like ew yeah at the time it was like no harm was meant from that of course but yeah that was like they were hot so yeah it's a whole thing they posted it in different languages and all this stuff trying to get us kicked off and the best part was at the time like peter cook peter cook was on the tour doing murky yeah it was like all

All of our friends, J-Hat, like all of our friends, including you and Taylor, like liked it. How many people were in there? 119. That, that's, it was much bigger at the time. No, no, it wasn't. I thought it popped off, dude. I remember there was genuine fear about. There was genuine fear, but it was because we were kind of naive.

I, I, I, I watched this thing like a fucking hawk. I promise you, this is, this is as big as it got. This is, this is the. It's peaking right now. I'm talking about it. Because of this. So then what we do? Hamburg.

Hoffing. Hamburg to Orobrough? What is it? Yeah, Orobrough, Sweden. Yeah. 15 hour drive. 11 hours without toll,

without van factored in. And like a ferry or whatever. Yeah, 15 hour drive. So. That's. yeah but then it was a two hour drive but still like like you don't recover from a 15 hour drive for like a few days and we had not had a day off the thing too is the the benches were they're 90 degrees oh they're hard benches are just you're sitting up straight i would say they're like they're like 95 95 a little bit wrong way yeah it's true of like oh it's just suffrage um what were were you Was Harm's way with us when we went just looking for food?

Yeah. Okay. That was us together. This is a great story. Dude, we were, this is like top five meals in my entire life. Dude. But, like, hunger-wise, but before we get there, it's what? One, two in the morning.

It's late. It's after the show. After the show. And like, we're not in a major. Well, we were, we weren't in, we were outside of Stockholm, though. We were like. It wasn't true Stockholm. No, no.

We were basically in. like Pomona. Like a super residential. Yeah. There's nothing around no McDonald's, no Birnoy. Nothing. Which you can generally rely on. And we're asking people like, hey, like,

is there anything to eat around here? And they're all just like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, there's zero help. We asked people from the show, people from the venue, random people on the street that we were passing. Anything to eat around here?

I don't know. I'm not sure. So, all of us, all 12 of us. I think it was all of us but Taylor. Lazy, yeah. I think he stayed behind. Yeah.

I think he stayed behind. Fucking asshole. We walked for a good 40 minutes, 45, and like in a fucking oasis in the Sahara Desert. We see a little light glaring at the end of the street. It was like a long way. Yeah, long, yeah.

It was straight of like a half mile away, but we could see something there. And it was, it was clearly like a bar or something. And we walked in this bar. And I remember it. I don't know if this is true. But I remember in my head, the guy who worked there being like, hey guys. Like, what can I get you? Really?

Oh, my God. That's, that's what I envision is walking in there. And like, that's the reaction. We were just like, we were like, do you have food? And he's like, yeah, we make pizzas. Yeah. Pete like personal like whole pizzas. And it was,

do we could have been hit by a bus walking down the street and just not known because that might as well have been heaven. That was it. It was so. This is the other thing about Europe that I don't think people realize like, after like nine o'clock, you're not eating. You're not doing anything. Anything.

You're not doing anything. If you're not in like Berlin or Paris. You can find falafel and stuff like that, kebab, donor kebabs and stuff. But we could not. In Switzerland. Sweden or Sweden sorry um yeah it was like normally you can go to max burger which yeah which we did I believe love it there yeah that's great great great Wi-Fi signal at that max burger but uh yeah this bar

just if only this gentleman knew what he did for it just changed our lives and it could have been worse than a fucking frozen pizza for all like I would have never known didn't matter to me it was like fucking Bobby flay made it was back there flipping pot And then we should also be noted that like any of the times where we were sleeping and not driving overnight, we were sleeping in the venue. Yeah. We slept in this venue, I remember. And I remember this was like almost a halfway point of the tour, maybe a little more than halfway. This is a little over.

But yeah, it was halfway here. Yeah. Oh, my gig jeans could stand up from salt. Dude, I've got some. It's Europe. What is Europe? What is with Europe and the salt? I don't know.

I'm so salty in Europe. I'm... Dude, my like gig pictures that I have some of my Instagram, my pants are white from salt. It's insane. It's crazy. Maybe it's a dietary thing. I don't know.

Dietary or just like the inability to truly wash your clothes there? Because you don't have time to air dry them, which they all do for some reason. Oh, man. There's so many stories. When was that? I don't. The mansion? I learned my lesson on the first tour that we did in Europe because I tried to wash clothes, couldn't dry them, and I had to wear a pair of Taylor's sweatpants on stage.

And I was that? You're like, I'm literally never doing laundry here ever again because the rise of all guys were like, yeah, these are how all the dryers are. They're like steam dryers. They don't. They take a full day to dry your clothes. And I don't know. Who knows if that's still the case, but holy shit, man. They're like 50 years behind.

Nick did it in 2017. He found out the hard way. We told him not to. Found out the hard way. Dude, we were microwaving socks at one point just to get the fuck out of there. Oh, my God. Wild. We did this voluntarily.

Voluntarily. I don't remember Luke Hesstein. Copenhagen, I remember because Alex was there. We got to an argument about best versus favorite. Taylor still gives me shit about it. It's a very different thing. Exactly. But my argument was, I think objectively,

Metallica's best record has to be the black album, but my favorite is Master, which its anniversary is today, by the way. I mean, it's... But now you're arguing best versus most popular. I'm considering them the same. I don't think you can do that. Commercially best, sure.

but like sonically best are they the best songs that they ever wrote or did Enter Samman just magically pop? No, no, I mean you're right, that's a fair point. But I just remember discussing this outside of the venue. We don't need to get into this nine-year-old debate. Now it's all coming back to me. Dude, this was a show where there was like 15 people at.

I remember that. Including one of whom was a boss of mine because I was working at H&M. her name was dorta she came to the show I remember her hearing like hello is beau here from in the green room

oh she's really nice it's cool lady uh just by uh by line here Stockholm to Copenhagen nine hours Copenhagen to Lichtenstein

11 hours uh Lichtenstein to Warsaw holy shit nine hours for those of you don't know look this up

a map. This is across the entire country of Germany. Yes. Warsaw, that's something we should talk about. Absolutely. Absolutely. So we were late to this show, because I think we, I think we were like, we refused to drive overnight.

Yeah, we said, we'll leave at 7 a.m. Whatever. Please just go tomorrow. So we're about an hour late to this show, which is like an hour late, like the doors had opened and we showed up an hour later. Yeah. So the promoter is like really pissed off about this. But when we get to the venue, it's like covered in white power art.

Yep. Like it's just swazis. The circle and cross shit like everywhere. Like the whole thing. We're just like, oh shit, this is this is it, huh? Yeah. I think aside from Ruckus and Zabalba to zero people at the Cold Walk Cafe that this is probably the worst said I've ever played?

Maybe. I remember it being really bad and the promoter tried to say that people, he tried to not pay us the guaranteed amount. I don't think he did. He eventually did. Like through the, through the booking, yeah. He tried to not pay us the amount because he said people came and paid, but then left because we were late. That's not how that works.

Of course, I mean, unless he's handing out refunds. Yeah, I know. And that was, this is a nine hour drive that we did at 7 a.m. Because we just couldn't, couldn't bear it. White Power graffiti. To white power graffiti. And then afterwards, guy thought we were going to stay at his house. He was so sad that we weren't staying with him.

We were like, we don't want to work with you. We don't want to hang out with you. We were, because we argued about all this shit and it was just kind of uncomfortable. And we found an Ivis dude. I remember Taylor and I split a room. And it was $14 each for an air-conditioned shower. Amazing. beautiful room.

And that's interesting because it was a nine-hour drive to Slovakia, which, Slovakia. That was awesome. It was awesome. Awesome. Do you remember the shrine in the venue? She had like a Peter Steele shrine. Yes.

Cliff Burton Shrine. Yes, yes. Like all the like famous metal dudes who have ever passed dime bag. I remember the show. It wasn't like amazingly attended. Yeah. But it was like. Like that was the day where we kind of like humbled ourselves.

And we were like, man, like we're in Slovakia. Yeah. And like these people are like so they're here for only us. Like our bands. Like we, this is, we did something. Yeah. Like our teacher, our high school teachers would be blown away by these Slovakian people being at our show. So this even though this wasn't the best show, I remember being like genuinely touched by.

Yeah. It was cool. We went out that night too. We like walked around. Because that city center is right there. Yeah, and it was beautiful. That was the first time I discovered ordering an iced coffee in Europe. Yeah.

You're like, hey, can I get an ice coffee? They're like, what do you mean? What are you talking about? What the fuck are you talking about? Ice, it's hot. Coffee's hot. And they're like, you mean like an Americano? And you're like, yes.

Like, sure. Yeah, just don't order ice coffee in Europe. They'll fuck you up. I mean, dude, I was just in Europe less than six months ago. They still don't have cold brew. You can't just, like, walk into most places and get a cold brew. But they figured out, like, putting ice and coffee? Yeah, like, you can go to Starbucks.

And Starbucks doesn't have cold brew? They do. No, no, they only have, like, cold brew with, like, shit in it, so you have to, you know. Oh, yeah, of course. It's a whole thing. It is a whole thing. And then the next day was fucking Buda best. Dude.

Hungry, baby. Beauda best. Budapest will bring you back from Oh man I forgot all about Budapest I forgot about the lake I forgot about I hate God How could you forget that There's live video of that of that set

Jimmy Bauer asking us to do meth with them They asked Chris to play drums Yeah pretty dark considering Just yeah it is But seriously he went Hey long hair You want to play drums drums for I hate God tonight and Chris literally has never listened to an I A

A God song I'm sure it was just like I I'd love to you know meanwhile this is like Aaron Osborne's from I exist actual favorite band of all time so he's losing his mind he's losing his shit like he's playing with them he eventually like booked them and like drove for them and hung out and he's just like friends with him now but at the time I remember being like good for you man yeah I was very happy for him I'm pretty sure he he did he did something something with them He did something with him. They wore up all night. Which is very unlike him.

He's not that kind of guy. He's a beer guy. No, he's, yeah, he'll have to be. Yeah, he's partying with his favorite man. What are you going to do? I get it. Aaron, if I'm offered to do crack with one of my heroes, not that you did crack with when you're here, I would, I'd do it.

I remember, too, like, someone was wearing a, you guys had a carnivore shirt on the tour. Yeah, you had a World War Five. shirt on the tour, I think, that had like a Talgert, like, yeah, that was, that was the first time we printed the tagger up. And I remember,

uh, I hate God dude was like, oh, I had one of them like, but from fucking way back, you know, awesome. I mean,

it's, it was ripped off of this shirt that I'm wearing, um, which I wore, I wore this like, this was like my gig shirt on the show. Uh-huh. So I put it on for this.

Um, and I specifically wore it for fluff fest for a, another reason. We're almost there. Budapest was amazing. Budapest brings me back to life every time. Yeah. I've got that venue there.

Yeah. Dür Kurt. They got a frame picture of me up there. No shit. I think to this day. That's lovely. So that whenever I play there, it feels like, I've only ever played there. Same.

Yeah. But it's always cool. The drivers tend to always be from Budapest. So they're always really psyched. Turkish, dude. Shout out Attila, Turer. Rock. Turkish was there.

And he was there for like 30 seconds, but he was there. And then the next day, um, we went to a lake. Peter took us to the lake. And we tried Lagos for the first time. Last time too. Yeah. He was like, he was talking Lagos up this whole fucking tour. He's like, guys, I know this food sucked, but wait until you have Lagosch.

And it's like, it's like fry bread with mayonnaise and cheese. Yeah. It's like a mayo, uh, uh, I mean, you're not a big, you're not a white sauce guy to begin with. No, sir. That's another. That's a whole other episode. Yeah.

But we're winding down on the drives now. Like Budapest of Vienna was like seven, which sucked. But like, Vienna is, Vienna is my least favorite major city to play because they just hate Twitching tones. They don't like us either. I love being there. Yeah. It's a beautiful fucking city.

But we're fucking. Uncle Buck with that hat on. Yeah, straight up. They hate us there. They'll kill us. They don't know why. That was the day that blinded came out. Ah.

You know what's funny? I think that's the day World War I went up as a single. It would make sense, right? They usually did. Yeah. It was the same day. Yeah.

So that was cool. It was like, it was a great day for both band. Yeah. We got, like we were talking about earlier, we got an Ivis. We let you guys sleep on the floor.

there's only like single beds but like it's still better than the hot spites from yeah um I'm circling back to no way for Holmesway it had a positive effect on the harm's way sets on the tour it was it was yes I do I think I think Europe like actual hard-for

people in Europe like we're like fuck this like let's go off for Holmesway now oh I think like straight up I remember from that moment on like Hormsway smoked us the whole time like we it was never even close again. Interesting.

Free and Easy festival in Munich. Oh yeah. Code Orange Kids played. Oh. Yeah. Integrity played. No. Integrity was.

Nope. It was. Blam rock. The last show, wasn't it? Nope. Oh. Yes.

Yes. I'm confusing. You're absolutely right. Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. I don't remember Munich. I don't either.

Oh, yes, I do. Yes, I do. it's one of those venues that has like five different stages all over and we slept on site in like these trailers that were like kind of nice but like people are just walking around like partying all over the place the show was fine but I no I do remember that yeah stage was in a corner I remember walking really far to find a McDonald's as well absolutely really far what are you going to do I remember that now it was super weird what was the There was some band with Wolf in their name that headlined a stage and it was like insane. Wolf down. No, it wasn't Wolf Down. Wasn't Wolf Down?

I don't remember. Shout out Wolf Down. Oh, but like a huge, but like a Power Metal Man. Yeah. Like Wolf something, they were fucking massive and it was like insane. And then the next day was Wolf Fest. Which we didn't know what to expect. We really didn't.

If you look at pictures, did you guys play before us? We played before you on the other stage. On the peanut stage. But it was fucking awesome. But it was amazing. Dude, you fell so fucking hard. The first second. First note.

First note, first song, I was fucking. You fell so hard. If you watch the video, it's up there forever. And it's a great video. It's awesome. You guys saw it. I remember that.

I was stage diving. Remember when you had energy? Hey. No, not you. I mean, you know. No, I mean, I trust me. I lost my energy for a while. I remember when we,

played LDB Fest a lot of people were like dude I haven't seen you move like that in so long they're just like fuck you yeah I was fat leave me alone um I'm I'm done jumping I retired can't do it anymore well you did it a lot to way too much you just constant so I it's done 34 my last jump yeah thanks man uh fluff fest happened twitching tongues played it was awesome great I wore this shirt that says some crazy shit on the back in spite of the no way for harm's way movement. Weird vibes all day. Yeah, because we didn't. They were saying like they were going to try to sabotage the set.

That's what's set on the Facebook thing. So we had heard that that could be like air horns, which is like, okay, whatever. Or it could be like paint, like balloons full of paint or even trying to unplug your shit. So if you look at pictures from any of these shows the entire tour besides harm's way so everyone in I exist which is like 30 people

and then all of twitching tongues it's just lining the stage We were armed Yeah like straight up holding drum hardware Yeah like just in case someone Try to because like Okay you could disagree with me Whatever you're not gonna fucking touch my guitar

Or cost the band Money because we're renting the head We were ready for We were RFP dude And absolutely nothing happened. Not one thing. You know what? You know what we haven't talked about one time on this?

What? You're going to laugh at just me saying it. The revealing. I have the found Chris's jacket. I have that somewhere. Tell me about the revealing. Tell me about the origin of the revealing. All right.

So this is a James story. So I'm going to paraphrase. but basically he had a group of friends that would like there was just like this one kid who they would always kind of fuck with kind of pick on you know kids

we're talking literal like grade schoolers middle schoolers and one day one friend was just like hey let's call him John I don't know are you ready for the revealing and that it just became a thing and it was like all day it was like oh man it's almost time

almost time for the revealing and it was just like a joke that stuck with James and then on a tour one time before this we played in Philadelphia and Chris did something he was either like not loading he did something and he needed to be punished

he was being a fucker and James made him pay via the revealing James took his shorts that he played in which James is a very he's a very testosterone laden man and he stinks it up good and shoes and put them in Chris's back and Chris is like a

kitty cat. He's as clean as they come. He does not like stinky things. And the whole day on the next day, because Chris didn't shower that night, so the whole day Chris would say shit and oh dude, oh my

God, James had blood and thunder, the ringtone on his phone, but as 8 bit. But it was the chorus, so it went down. Chris kept texting James phone and James couldn't find it because he was driving. And it just kept going off and James would be like all right man

wait for the revealing wait for the reveal and at first Chris was like yeah whatever you know but he did it all day and by the end of the day Chris Chris would straight up to us and be like yeah what's going on there's a video out there I think it's on James Instagram with him

filming Chris and just going Chris how do you feel about the reveal so Chris never the whole day we're just fucking with him and we all know what's up Chris has no idea and then finally we're in a hotel and it's pitch black. And Chris is, he's always a late shower guy.

I hear the bag open and, and like, I think James is even filming it, but we're just like giggling. And you hear Chris go, oh my God. And fucking lost his mind. He was so mad. And I think he even tried to accuse James of like ruining his books and like his,

his bag. He's like, it smells now. The revealing. Oh, it stuck with me all this year. So fast forward, Chris lost a track jacket on this tour. Colin found the track jacket. Give me Chris's reaction when you turn the corner. Oh, dude, I don't remember.

You don't remember? He went, what? How did you? What? And you were like, the revealing. And you were just doing this. Wow, I don't remember that at all. But I remember that at all.

but I remember the revealing. Yep. I was obsessed. It was the funniest thing in the world. Fluff Fest is when we met Code Orange Kids for their son. We did. You guys knew them prior. Yeah, we played with them earlier that year at New England Metal Fest,

and they fucking blew my ass apart. Yeah. Yeah, they were something else at the time. They were, like, weird forest kids at the time. Weird forest kids who went. Yeah. It was like, who are these sprites? Playing the hardest things I've ever heard.

There is one thing that happened at Fluff Fest in defiance of Harmsway. James has a picture of it. In a porter potty, someone wrote H, wrote Harmsway with an arrow pointing down. To the poop. To the poop. That was it. That was the most egregious thing. I feel like I was scoffed at the fest.

I lost my meal ticket. And the people putting the show on my life. like, oh, you lost your ticket. Really? So sad. You can't have another one. It was crazy. Asturts.

I was so sad. And they didn't give you one. They didn't give you one. Fuckers. And then the last day, the last show. Last show of Blamrock. Which is like the coolest country out of all of them. I love Belgium.

This is where integrity played. Yep. And kind of. Dwid, I had caught wind of the No Way for Harm's Way stuff. And he was like, fuck that guy. He's like, this is bullshit. So integrity is playing. Yep.

And he shouts you guys out. Yep. Mid sentence falls off the stage. This one's for our brothers in Harmers Wood. Yeah. And he was off. I was not present, but I heard. This was also, Colin, the first time out of all of these days,

where you could have a nice ice cream cone. And we got one in the parking lot. Man, you think I forget that. But that's the thing. So I can't eat ice cream when I'm singing at all because it's just like my voice is erased. And I'm sick the next day. Like something about what singing does in my throat when you combine ice cream, I'm done. So at the end of the tour, I generally, I always get an ice cream cone in the hand.

I remember just I'll never, I never forget the first one I have after. And it's a beautiful experience. And then we went home and toured together again two years later. Dude, you want to read the lamb goat comments on this? I'm scared, but sure. Dushbags are stoked. And then another band's Facebook. Dush bags are stoked is amazing.

that was episode one of hard lore stories from tour wow that was wonderful do you think it's too long maybe we'll split it up in two parts split it up let's split it up now we got two weeks of stuff that's 600 bucks two weeks i'll edit that out um but thank you all so much for joining us on this journey we will be back next week with a special guest we'll have guests always from now on because We can only talk about the two tours we did together for so long. Well, we could also talk about just other tours. Yeah, of course. That's the plan, but like we'll have guests to be catalysts for those conversations.

Gotcha, got you. But yeah, this was wonderful. I love you. Thank you guys for watching. Bye-bye.