HardLore - Perfect EPs and 7" Records

Episode Date: September 7, 2023

Colin and Bo share their personal picks for perfect EPs and 7"s, which inarguably play a more pivotal role in hardcore/punk music than any other genre. A lost art from mostly the pre-streaming era, sometimes there's no better way to present a band's music than an EP. It's a crowded field full of unbelievable releases by bands that changed the landscape of hardcore forever, but we did our best at picking the EPs that shaped our respective personal tastes the most. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef This episode is brought to you by ATHLETIC GREENS! Try AG1 at athleticgreens.com/HARDLORE to receive a free 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 travel packs of AG1. Join WHATNOT with our special little link to get $15 off your first purchase. Get ready for the first ever Hardlore live auction TOMORROW, March 24th at 8:30 PM EST: https://www.whatnot.com/invite/hardlore Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe Check out our merch at https://knotfest.com/store/?view=hardlore Find all of our videos at https://knot1.co/3vWXsbx #HardLore   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, welcome. It's Hardlord time. How are you both? I'm doing so well. It's so good to see you. You too. Are you ready for a classic? I am. This is one that we've had in the tank. Oh, we've been dying. We've been ready. Yeah, we've been ready for this one. Honestly, these are our favorite ones to do because, you know, we learn about each other through these. And, you know, we're talking about our picks, our personal picks for perfect EPs. slash seven inches, whatever that may mean.

Not demos. No demos. And you know what? I didn't do any splits either. I did one split. But it's a gimmy. So, you know, I just want to preface this with something. Yeah.

We fell into this role as the guys that are putting you on to stuff, you know? We don't claim to be any kind of authority on what makes these things good or, you having to like them. No. These are just the stuff we like as the hosts of this program. And what's fun, I don't know, when you were compiling your list, I found it was really easy because they're so short that it's just like, yeah, this fucking rocks. So here was my challenge for myself, Beau. I didn't tell you this yet.

Okay. I didn't look up a single thing. Oh, really? I, my challenge to myself for this one was top of my head. Interesting. So EPs I can think of that I think are amazing. I had a couple surprises because some of them are considered EPs when I would have thought they were LPs and then the inverse. So I just want, I didn't want some yokel in the fucking comments section being like, actually, that's a full length.

That's a long. See, I feel that way about things though. I'm with you. But if it says E. I put a couple picks in mine that I, could also argue our LPs. Okay. Yeah.

One, I'm sure we have a couple crossover. And one, I was like, what? And it became an immediate, like, well,

that's going on the list. Like, I can't, I would have, it would have been a go to. So you posted a tweet about this topic and said that it's a lost art.

And I think that that's actually a really important thing. And here, there's reasons behind that because A, it, for, labels, it costs the same amount of money, basically.

It's a negligible amount between a 7 inch and a 12 inch. So why spend the same amount of money for something that can A, fit more songs? Right. B, more beautifully display the gorgeous packaging. Right. But I do think, and here's the perils of an EP. They get forgotten. Yeah.

They get lost amongst the discography. If the songs don't get re-recorded or put on something else or bonus tracks on something, then if they, if those songs are just dedicated EP songs. Yeah. It's kind of assumed that they're like lesser material. Dude, good point, valid point. And there was a time in the early 2000s, at least when when I was actively started and like got into hardcore,

where like that wasn't the case where it was like, like stop and think put two demos together. You know what I mean? Like it was like a full length. It was almost like a full length was like daunting. Like it was too much or something. I would say in the 2000s, the 7-inch was always better than the L-P. And that's probably why-

It went amazing demo, perfect 7-inch, pretty good LB. Yeah, exactly. And that's probably why I'm so partial to EPs and 7-inches. I love a 7-inch. It's for hardcore music, it's hard to argue that a 7-inch or an EP isn't the perfect way to digest this form of music. I yeah like four or five great songs yeah of heart four or five great hardcore songs is crazy and sometimes way more seven or eight perfect that are like and the the whole thing I don't want to spoil but one of mine I couldn't believe the length of time yeah and it's okay let's get

into let's get into what's your first pick my first pick should I go I'm just going to go with a classic it's the minor threat that's filler it's fill right yeah yeah there's two there's two EPs for minor threat technically This is not an original. This is the recent Discord repressant, the first six. But it's like true to like how it was made and everything. We got filler. I don't want to hear it.

Seeing red straight edge. Straight edge. Small man, big mouth, screaming out of wall, bottom violence and minor threat. So 19. 181. I know that I'm like the spin kick 25th,

the life guy on the show, you know? But these are, This is this is what it's all about. I mean, this, 1981? Mm-hmm. That's the same year as fucking discharge EP,

which influenced everything, you know? Yeah. And trade edge, dude. Yeah, straight edge is on there. I'd be dead without, I'd be literally dead without this thing. I'd be in Connecticut,

passed out, dead. It says, and here's an important part. Something we talk about all the time, the liner notes. It says, Thanks to Henry, Skip, Don, Nathan,

Doty, Richard, and the bad brains. There it is. There it is. Who are the bad brains? Who are the bad brains? Boom. Yeah. There you go.

And that's why I want to do this one first is because, and for me, this was one of the first, I've talked about this before. Blinkwini 2 had a home video, a VHS, and Tom DeLong just rattles off a bunch of bands that he liked growing up and minor throat was one of them that stuck in my head.

This was one of the first, and then finding out that they were part of the straight edge, the straight-hish thing, there you go. You know, it was all... So they were not a formative thing for me at all. They were very, very... I found Earth Crisis long before I found minor threat. Which is, I think that that's the cool yingang of us.

Yeah. You know what I mean? I was into skateboarding and like pop punk essentially at the time. Yeah. Found this and it all clicked. And I, you know, going back to that and being like, okay, what is this minor threat band that the singer of pressure keeps talking about? You know, I got to check them out.

Uh-huh. And then it all made sense to me. And now I celebrate the out of step, dude, in my eyes. Unbelievable. I celebrate it all. Unbelievable. And true, true DIY. Yeah.

Discord. 01. I mean, and like carried that philosophy to this day. Oh, I'm sorry, Discord 03. 03 because teen idols was first, something else, and then this. Unbelievable. Huge. Did they only, wait, are, you said they have two EPs?

Yeah, the Salad Days. Saladay's EP is another one. Is, are in my eyes. an out of step, not. That's on. That is on out of step, which I believe is an LP. And this is where we get into the kind of the quagmire. This is going to happen.

It's like, what's an EP? What's an LP? And that's the fun part. And I could be totally wrong about stuff. I'm literally only going on what's on discog. So if discogs is wrong, you know. Sure. I'm going to be wrong about stuff.

Yes. Because, again, I did this off top. We did this in 45 minutes. Yeah. My first pick, Bill. Yes, sir. 25 to life. You all laugh.

You all smirk. You all wince. But man, there's a reason you look up old 25 to life flyers and stuff. It was like 25 to life big font top of the flyer. Hey, breed. Marauder, madball. Which is crazy.

It's crazy. Rand shit. But maybe Rick made those flyers. That is possible. But also, dude, why is it a game? short fuse.

These are perfect hardcore songs. Okay, so I also wanted to ask you before, I should have asked before we did this, but you're going to mention bands that have been on our underrated bands and best breakdown playlist. Okay, good. I did too.

I just... Yeah, I think this is a whole different conversation. And I think a lot of the time, some of these EPs are the best things these bands ever wrote. No. And I think that's an important thing to... No argument.

To clarify. No argument. And I think keeping it real is... It was tough. It was a toss-up between keeping it real strength of unity, obviously. Yeah. But I went with keeping it. Obviously.

The production, the riffs, the lyrics, fucking, this is what, this is, this like, is one of those things that established, you know, what I like. Interesting.

Truly, the dichotomy of hard lore is. Minor threat and 25 to life, first two picks. That's great. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to try.

I have, I did, I did some work. So I'm going to actually try to go in chronological order. Wow. So I started in 81 Discord 03, mine of threat. You're awesome. And now I'm going to go to something that we've talked about. I wish I had negative approach by negative approach. Touch and go 07, 1982.

Damn, dude. They were a ban for three fucking years, Bo. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, I have, I should have grabbed the anthology. I have like the, you know, the whole thing, whatever. But we'll get to, I'll get to another band. I had a revelation about one of my favorite bands of all time on this list and we'll get there. But they cover ready to fight.

And when you have, it's just like this thing where it's like 10 years later, one of the hardest bands, vault, I'm kind of going out of order. Yeah, yeah. Basically what I'm saying is the reverence shown to this release. Yeah. By every band. that came afterwards. This is now the third time.

This is like the third week in a row which said that negative approach completely transformed the scene that created the most popular type of hardcore. We were going to talk to Brandon at Tidedown. And when we do a thing we'll talk to each other,

you and I and be like, what are we going to talk about? And your suggestion was, how does it feel to have invented an entire genre of music? Because that's what it did. That's what it did. And he's like,

I don't give a fuck man. My cell phone doesn't have any minutes right now. Yeah. What's the Wi-Fi password? And I go, damn, you're the coolest guy ever. So, negative approach in 1980s. Yeah, the coolest man ever.

So there's no cold as life without negative approach. There's probably, there's no, there's many things that don't exist without negative approach. My next pick. This is a, this is a really fun look into the duality of the show here. Yeah, yeah, I like it.

Because my next pick is kickback 150 passions. Wow. that's an EP. There you go. There's one I didn't even think about. Yeah. And that's before no surrender came out. You know what?

I mean, really, Kickback's entire discography is like this rising chart of just insanity. Yeah. Because cornered is like a like breakdown 25 to life. Forever war,

they go more kind of all at war. Yeah. Metallic. 150 passions, they found, They were like, we're kickback. Yeah. This is our thing 100%.

We're not doing. Those surrenders where shit popped off. But this is, this is to me the, like, defining piece of music for them of, like, the best European hardcore band of all time. So this is go. Find this.

Forever war is the song that gets most people. Yeah. The big, the 808. Of course. It's unbelievable. That's what you want. But this is where they found their identity and these sick fucks playing these unique riffs that sound like nothing else. With this crazy production where you can't really hear the kick drum, but you can feel it.

Oh, that's a... Which is a weird choice, but works somehow. Interesting. I wouldn't have even... Yeah, I've never noticed that. I've listened to it for sure. But I've never noticed that. And the guitarist finally sound like the kickback guitar.

Yeah. Yeah, it's when they stopped doing, like you said, all at war and started doing kickback. We're kickback. We're French and we're the best one. Bonjour. Next one for me, this is the one where I could not believe the length. And I think that this is one that like, this was not formative to me growing up getting in hardcore. But it was one where later on I went back and realized and it's United Blood by a Gnostic Front.

This is way up there for me. Agnostic front records. Self-release, their own shit. United Blood. Six minutes, 21 seconds. Yeah, it's like, that's it.

They rip through this shit. It's fucking awesome. I, you know, I've seen bands cover this entire thing. And it's, it's a religious experience. I think,

I mean, they played, they played the live at CB's set at United Blood one year, which I think is, is that not all of United Blood. Don't they play the whole thing? I think,

Like mostly, I believe. Yeah, most of it. So like, and seeing it at United Blood with all the Richmond locals. All the guys. All the guys who love and then like all the Long Island guys. Filling their genetic and geographic obligations to watch for this entire thing.

Yeah. As you said, a religious experience. Religious experience. Fucking awesome. It would be hard to argue that this isn't number one, you know, for me. Yeah. When we get to the top five, so these are all not in order.

Top five is just that's a personal preference. Affirmative for me. Same. Yeah, good. But if somebody was like United Blood's the best hardcore EP of all time, I'm shrugging my shoulders and saying, hey. You might be right.

Yeah, you're right. Good job. Good call. Groundbreaking, trailblazing, genre defining EP. Hard. Hard. Like their own just like scratched out of the earth.

I love it. It's so cool. Yeah. To me, this is like the defining thing for like the evolution of the New York Carcourt. There's a lot of New York hardcore. It's technically New York hardcore. My next pick.

Okay. But it's Long Island. Okay. Neglect, pull the plug. You want a real deal, sick fuck act. You listen to this. You know they mean what they're saying.

And again, a lot of the things I picked, nothing sounds like. Yeah. Yeah. And to me, that's part of what I'm looking for for like why these things are perfect or why they impacted me in this way. I think from production standpoint, riff standpoint, lyrical standpoint, sonically the way his voice sounds, nothing sounds like this. And I think it's such an acquired taste.

It's like it's an elite organization to be a neglect fan, you know? Very much so. for me for me to be the old probably one of the only guy outside of long island to have this in my office right framed framed I've had that framed for 15 years um it's an elite organization to be a neglect fan much like you know the men in black etc pull the plug other elite organizations additional elite organizations neglect and this is one of those things where pull the plug I think is the best example of their material. Like these four, I think it's four songs.

Again, did not look shit up, which is going to bite my ass later. That's okay. That's okay. Yeah, this is, uh, they're, they're in, on my Long Island, on my Long Island, Mount Rushmore. I didn't know they were Long Island. Yeah. I knew they were New York.

Well, ask anybody from Long Island if they like neglect. they'll say yes and then shoot you in the head for asking. You know? How could you? Yes. Good answer. Again, more dichotomy between us. And this is good because, hey, this is what's going to get people into things they may not have heard of.

Yeah. So my next one is the first time we're like I couldn't definitively find if it was or it wasn't. I believe it's an EP. It was printed as a by exclaim on a 12 inch, but at 45. and I can't definitively find if it's considered an EP or an LP. So I'm just going to say it because who cares, really. Yeah, but a lot of dope shit is on 4 is 45 RP. I love a 45 RPM.

Fast. You can slow it down. Yeah. You ever see the cool. The best things are when I put something on and it's 33, I'm kind of pissed. Because you can't. Because I'm like, damn, I got to change my ribbon around for this fucking piece of shit. You got one of them fancy turntables, huh?

Well, you have a button or switch? I got a little button. Oh. I got an audio technica, like a mid-range one. Okay, I've got a U-turn kind of gangster one, but only because it has the built-in pre-amp. So I needed that for my thing. For the Sonos. So the Sonos thing, you need the built-in pre-empt.

Or else you got to buy the fucking Zonos pre-amp. Don't get me started. But, dude, a 45 is, that's church, baby. Yeah. It's not on my list, but when I first got one of the R&M, our seven inches. I didn't know if it was 45 or 33. I couldn't figure it out. We've talked about that. I was like, what does this sound like? Yeah, what is happening? So this one that I'm unsure about is DYS Brotherhood on Exclaim from 1983. It's short. But again, couldn't anywhere I looked,

Google Discogs, Wikipedia couldn't figure it out. It's no secret that I love the early Boston stuff. DYS was my favorite of that stuff. Dave Small has like the first straight edge tattoo that I know of. And it says true till death on it. It's fucking hard. And I love that. They were all part of the Boston crew thing with SSD and like negative effects. Slapshot.

Super straight edge. Cool songs. I don't know. It was just like I found it at a perfect time. It's 1983. Again, they took what minor threat kind of started. Made it harder. and made it like a, this is our fucking thing.

And then the youth through bands kind of ran with that from there. So it's like this Middle Earth kind of thing that I love elves. You love Middle Earth. I love Middle Earth. So that's exclaim. I didn't get the number in 1983, Brotherhood by D.S. You know, it's no secret that I, I prefer fuck you straight edge. Yeah.

And that's the start of it. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And I, you know, I got to give them their flowers for that. We're going to stay in Massachusetts. for this next pick of mine. Lovely.

And again, this is just like, it's really funny that this is the way that this is going. But my next pick is Sam Black Church, San Black Church. And this is what got me into them. You know, this is a formative thing to the reason. This EP is part of the reason twitching tongues exists. You know, so it's, you break me down my DNA. This is right in there.

I saw the big, cool-ass logo. The cool logo. Big, big purple artwork, favorite color. Purple? Oh, yeah. I heard the first little thing in Infernal Machine. The chan da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Fucked-up sounding guitar, crazy-sounding record.

And then he starts singing, and again, doesn't sound like nobody. Don't know what the lyrics are at first because they're so crazy. Then I realized that they're brilliant. and one of a kind. And the songs have a hardness without being like stupid. Yeah. In a way that was like so profound to me.

That makes a lot of sense looking at your musical tastes. Hard without being stupid. Like you like like, like, I mean, God's hate. But I also like weird out. I don't want to talk about that. But God's hate songs are. not simple. No.

But they're all hard. They're all hard. They think they are. You know what I mean? So like that makes sense to me that this is, that you would think about it in that way. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah.

And then, you know, I like dumb. I do like some dumb. Of course. You know, like ignorant for the sake of ignorant is, I do. I like it. But this, this just scratched so many itches that I didn't know

were itching for me. Hmm. Um, and I think you could argue it's their, best thing. Really? But I also think that which that does not kill us is like perfect. That's the one.

What can you do? All right. We're staying in Boston. Staying Boston. I didn't realize that this was an EP. This was a pleasant surprise. Slav shot back on the map. Tang,

1986. Wow. 86. I thought it was way later. And I thought it was step on it. I thought that was the first thing. So I didn't know back on the map. And this was like still X'd up singing with a half a hockey stick.

And God, so fucking cool. And making him like hard weighing himself. Yeah. And not fucking with any of the New York, like any of the youth crew bands. They're like, we're not the same. This is a positive. This is, this is us. This is a negative thing.

Yeah. And I'm not, you know, as a pretty not youth crew guy personally. I'm all in. Yeah, I mean, it's not on this record, but Slapshot in your face is one of the hardest straight-ed songs ever written. And it's a band that's playing in E-standard. E-standard. Out of Marshalls and Les Pauls. Like, there's no...

Come on. You know what I mean? So it's really like, again, I'm a big Boston in this era kind of guy. And Slapshot is still a band that I'll put on from time to time just go, God damn. But regardless, I love back on the map. And I think a lot of the bands that would come later on in the 90s would kind of say that about Slapshot at the time. Sure, sure. We're staying in mass.

I'll hit you with one more. A band I really would be nothing without, only living witness, complex man, EP. Was that before or after? Before Promo. That's before. Okay. And hearing it, you really. are like, who the fuck was this?

Interesting. Because it sounds like breakdown. But he's still got like the melody. And again, the production is really crazy. It sounds crazy, but in a way that is like raw and big and hard. Whoa. And the songs, I really wonder why they didn't record these. Because there are big mosh parts in them, for one.

They're really fast and technical that it's like, a completely different band when Promo Reform came out. And is he singing? It's kind of. He's doing both. He is. Interesting. There's notes,

but there's some stuff that's like so fast and patterny that they're like can't be notes. But it's three songs and they are three hits. Isn't that fun? I love it. That's my whole point about this. It's three songs done. Yeah. It's so good.

That's so fun. That's how you, that's how you present a band. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the hook. This is who we are. What's the elevator pitch of a band? It's like, here's five minutes. Here's, here's track one.

This is the hit. Here's track two. It's the crazy one. Here's track three. It's the epic one. It's all it takes. I like that. What's your next one?

All right, we're going to go straight to the Lower East side. Oh, wow. And we don't talk about Warzone very much. No. Warzone Lower Eastside Crew, the first Rev record, 1987. Yeah. Todd Youth on guitar. They have songs on this record that they recorded like eight times.

Like that were on. I love when a band does that. Dude, me too. Because I have favorite, I like having favorite versions of songs. Yeah. The misfits. And talking to Cold his life last week was just like, man,

you believe in these songs and you're going to fucking record them until the world believes in them too. Yeah. I think that's the way to do it because if I had done that sometimes, maybe one day I'd be happy with the perfect version of one, you know? The misfits box sets have songs that are like four or five times,

you know, and I have a favorite one each time. And the best version of them, they didn't fucking put it out. Yeah, right, right. So this is the lower East Side Crew, the first Rev record, 1987. I remember seeing it when I was getting into music and getting into like the straight-edge thing

and figuring out what youth crew was and all interestingly, all of the later like rev bands and schism bands would thank rabies and Warzone. Yeah. And like, they were always like, it was weird,

Warzone was always part of both. Like the AF skinhead thing. Mm-hmm. And then the straight-edge thing, the youth thing too. And like I didn't get it and it took, it took a minute.

But that's how I like figured out. And I was like, oh, like, a Floyd rose and a backwards hat on Todd Hughes on the cover. Cool. Like, yeah, that sounds fun. You know, like, and that's what I got to. And the song always was the song. And this is not to be confused with,

I have kind of an honorable mention already, but it's just to not to be confused with a 1996 record called Lower East Side, which is another EP that Victory put out. What can you do? With a lot of the same recorded songs. So not to be confused with that. Yeah, I think this is one of the first wars on mentions on Hardlore. Yeah, I think I think it is.

And, you know, I don't know how formative it was for me, but like it's an undeniable piece of music. It's a staple. It's like a thing. Yeah. It's one of the things that, you know, Scott Vogel whispered in my ear at one point. Glory, sight crew. War zone. Respect.

This is, this is. This is formative hardcore music to the entire genre. Yes. Period. Yes. And I feel like this is an example of something where like wouldn't necessarily be on my top five. But if someone said like this is a top five EP of all time, I would like a. Like AF, I would be like, yeah.

Hey, you was specific. You know how I am. I love lore. I love the fact that rabies is playing drums on United Blood on the cover. Yeah. That's fucking sick. Like I love shit like that. I love the tie-ins.

I love like figuring that out when I was a kid by reading fucking liner notes and shit was like that was the fun. That was. And seeing that kind of every scene in the world is built by like 10 guys switching instruments. Like New Orleans. New Orleans like metal. Dude. Yeah. It's like eight guys.

And it's like eight bands. And Jimmy Bowers and all. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's war zone AF madball. We'll get there. Good Lord. We sure will. My next pick, suffocation despise the sun.

That's a great pick. I almost did put that on there. I will say full disclosure, there's some that I think about putting on. I go, he's for sure going to do that. I don't need to worry about it. Smart. I think I had a couple of those.

A great, timeless, EP in the middle of your career is crazy. Fun. But not insane. And I don't think this is on streaming, which is cool. No, I don't think it is either.

Yeah. Elite organization. Despise the Sun listeners, elite. Production is where they dialed in. This is right before self-title, I think. So they had the like post-pierce from within kind of semi-modern production dialed in. The swag.

And, oh, the swag was unlocked by this time. They knew who they were. Exactly. And the artwork rocks, production rocks, lyrics are sick. There's a big fucking pit in every song. So to somebody like who hears death metal in some way and is like, I think I like that, but I don't know where to start. It's rare to have something like this.

Right. A four-song EP that you can. just smoke and be like, oh, this is okay. That's fucking, this is something I can sink my teeth. Perfect. There should be more. Yes. More death metal EP.

I'm glad that you are an advocate for EPs in general. Dude, Taylor Young is a EP mark. I think they're perfect. And I'm glad that we agree. Yeah, big time. I love an EP, but there's just the risk involved in making them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, this isn't on streaming.

It's crazy. there's some weird reason to that, I'm sure. And I don't know. I mean, I think it's no gods, no masters is not on one of them. Spotify, I think. It's on Apple Music. Yeah. I don't know why.

And it's titled wrong. Anyway, what's the next? How is it titled? I think it's no gods, no master or something. Oh, no God, no master? It's, I know it's fucked up. I don't know. I'm not going to look it up.

But there's something wrong with. But that's, But then with things like that where no gods, like made you guys. Yeah, kind of. You know? That was the first like ever, like the other guys had quit. So that was the first like, here's the band. There was like a statement.

And that's what they should be. Yeah, it's like, okay, we're starting over. Here's an EP. This is us. Yes. And then isolation came and it was like, this is us. And then Blimey was another EP, which is fine. I, I, I love,

Yeah, I like the every other kind of thing, but it's just not, it's not a sustainable method. No. If you're not re-recording songs or also like, Cannell Mass Nightfall, you know, that's not on my list, but it's, is that an EP? It's six songs, but with 10 tracks. Right. You know? Yeah. So it's like, obviously, sometimes you know what you got and you go, fuck, we should do more shit and present this as an LP because it's, this is like our.

best thing. Sometimes you're going to do an EP and you go, should we? We should probably do some more so that this can be in our list of now with streaming. Yeah. EPs is a different section. You got to scroll farther to get there. Yeah. So it's an even greater risk. So stupid.

I get it. Put it all in one thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. We're staying in New York. Yeah. We're staying in New York. We got. We really are.

I got all in the next two. Yeah, GB. It's Rev.04. I think I have it written. Rev.04. That's so crazy to just see that. 1988. Hold your ground.

The spirit of A8. Alive in this record. Produced by Walter and Don Fury. Jesus Christ. This was one where there was an insert in it. And there's a thanks to, okay? A thanks to. And it's literally Ray of today.

Rabees. Jay Crackdown. I could have figured out that that that was a band. You know what I mean? Like we Porcel, Sammy. Like we talk about this shit all the time. It's a map. There you go. It's a map to more things. A map to more music. And then by the bottom, it's fucking youth defense league, sick of it all, crackdown, New York Hood's token entry, wide awake, up front, fed up intact, touchdown, like 25 bands. Yeah. That you know if they're listing them. They're all going to be around there. Token entry is one of the funniest and most awesome band

names of all time. Token entry rocks. Beyond is another one that I always think is funny. What's your band? Beyond. Beyond. It's just beyond. Straight edge. But yeah. So, you know, Mike Judge. Like, there's just like a ton of shit in there. This, this seven inch was extremely important to me. This was one of the first youth crew bands I ever heard. Possibly the first song I ever heard was, big mouth. Wow. I don't know.

I don't remember why something to do with like it being in someone's soul seek library alphabetically. And so it's a B. You know what I mean? That got there? Yeah. What was the song you ever, did you ever,

have you ever owned a car? Yeah. Respectfully. Yeah. And like, do you know where like the first song on her iPod plays when you plug it in? Yeah. It was an anal cunt song.

Oh. I think it was. anal cunt by anal gun, which my dad found on the computer one time and was not happy. No, you got spanked for that one, huh? I got, the Lord had a word with me. Yeah, yeah, he manscaped you in other ways. Mine was typo A number one. Oh.

Which like, now that sounds, that song title sounds like a brilliant marketing tactic to make that happen. Totally. A period number one. Yeah. Saw them play a bunch of these songs that tied down. Still fucking hit. You might be different from your head, but if you're true, they'll understand. Like, I remember all of these fucking lyrics because I just used to sit and, like, literally study this shit in front of the record player, just like, you know, they grew up doing as it was.

And it was just like, we can talk about, we can talk about it with Siv when he's on the show in a couple weeks. Coming soon. Very cool. Breaking news. Yeah. Gorilla Biscuits, 1988. Groundbreaking. Groundbreaking.

You know, headlining fest to this day. with these fucking songs. And think about the career. Legendary man. Think about like Walter. Yeah. Coming from that. That's a gangster right there.

Okay. My next pick is more, not really so much, but like, mine are definitely more modern compared to yours for the most part. I'm getting there. I'm getting there. Okay. This is much later in this band's discography. And I think it is the best collection of songs that it's tough to say.

Shear terror, old, new, borrowed, and blue. Awesome. Which a re-recording, new songs, a cover, and like a sad cover. Old, new barred and blue. Conceptually. Ah. So fucking brilliant. You love that.

Oh, dude. I love, I love an insane concept. Because that's a wedding thing, right? Something old, something new. And it ties into the love story, the love song, shit. Yeah. It's like it fits them so. well.

Yeah. And it opens with the best song they ever wrote, goes into a re-recording of a classic, an amazing cover. It's perfect. And it sounds, if you show me this now, I would tell you it was recorded in 2013. Huh. I think it was produced by Josh Silver, which is, really? Badass.

That's fucking six. Could be completely lying. Top of his head. Top of my head again. just to clarify. Production-wise, unbelievable. Lyrically, Paul Barrow is like in his own world. He's an actual hateful, sad genius in a way that it's like all I've ever wanted to be.

And I think this is me. It's hard to say that these are their best songs. But it's their best recording. which is very important. Which is fair. Yeah, it is. Sometimes I don't like the I've never, this production is on par with like master killer promo form.

And that's it's crazy. That's saying something. Yeah. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. Keep on.

Keep on truck. We're going to, we're staying in New York for a minute. Let's stay there. So by, so the last one was 88. Next one after that's going to be 88. That was, I mean, the spirit of. 88 is, that's a real thing. And I'm a youth crew guy.

So we're staying in New York. Of course. Judge New York crew. Schism. I knew I didn't have to put this on my. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I had an original.

I sold it for some reason, hard times, I think. I think I kept the poster and sold it without it. You brat bastard. I told him. But just like, you know, fed ups on it. And the New York crew. song is on it. And again, being such a mark for stories and like, oh, like, that tells a story about Boston and New York, like, beefing and like, well, what they used to call it, like,

the New York Wolf Pack and calling it United Blood and like all this shit. Also, throughout our childhoods and formative years, they were like the band that didn't play. Like, they're never going to fucking play again. You're never going to see him. And like even, so it's so mythical. There was a, a documentary that was started. and then there was like a fire. Yeah. And they like lost everything. So it was like even like the little window we were getting closed.

And they're a band full or chunk the chunk king. Yeah. Can suck it. Just hating. Just hating production and saying. Hating your record so much that you trash the copies and do it again. Bad ass. Frankly.

Fucking cool. And possibly. I mean, from what I've heard like even the right call sonically. Like I've heard that, you know, I've heard them. Right. And yeah. The one's not great and bringing it down is pretty great. But this is the first seven inch.

Yeah. Just cool. More straight-ed shit. And again, bring in the like hard part into all of this. You know, as a lad, I'm getting into things. People are showing me stuff. Some of it's a little too melodic for me. Some of it's a little too positive for me.

Some of it is just not not hitting. But fuck you, Straight edge. Yeah. We're straight edge, but fuck you. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Yeah. It was like, I found another one on the list of things for Colin. And I was dying for that. Yeah. I was dying for it.

So anytime I found it. Anxy, horny little fucker. Yeah. Just angry, straight edge, horny. Judge ticked all the boxes.

Uh, yeah. Um, so there's not, like, these things I think are probably pretty obvious to people for me to choose. Sure. So we don't need to like wax on about them too much.

But formative, important, great. It's a great pick. And I knew I didn't have to put it on because I knew it was coming. My next pick, crowd of thorns, train yard blues. Yeah. So this fucking record for me, um, open my eyes to like kind of what hardcore?

could be. Because every story you hear about Crown and Thorns in this era, it's like Isaac was the baddest man alive. And then you hear them or see them. And it's like, yo, the guy that just justifiably what my friend's ass

is singing these like melancholic, sad, emotional lyrics over these hard riffs. Yeah. And like think about that and me, you know? Yeah. That's all I ever eventually was like, that's what I'm doing then. If that's, if that is allowed.

Yeah. If that's passable. If that's passable, then that's all I want. And like, exact alone prove that possible. When you think about like everything else out, everything else was like, I'm crazy. I'm insane. I'll fucking kill you.

And Crown of Thrones was like, I have feelings and I'm emotional. And this. And then this. a next song about the juggernaut from X-Men. Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's one record.

That's all everything I like together. Finally. Crownthor's Trainyard Blues, a perfect piece of music. I remember at FYA, you were, you were buzzing for that and for life of agony. You were a kid. You're a kid to candy shop. I remember. And we're back to back on that New York show in a couple weeks.

The Triple B Streets of Hate Day is Showcase. October 1st. See you there. He's sharp, this guy. I'll tell you what. Yeah, this is a perfect. Yeah. Perfect, Rick.

The next one, again, and another thing that I will say, that the youth through thing benefits from are EPs. Because they were just, they were just throwing them out. Other than break down the walls, Beau. Yeah. Is there a good youth crew LP? Bringing it down. The turning point. They're not youth crew to me, you know?

Okay. I just like, even if they are. I can't I can't mentally because they're so fuck you yeah I can't even classify them so uh turning point chain of strength instead wide awake never did an LP they have a good demo though couldn't bring couldn't use it so break down the walls is the only one what were you gonna say well I mean then there's we're not in this alone I mean yeah yeah they got it all side by side you're only young once rev 1988 wow um 88 is crazy. Crazy, dude. Our numbers are numbers double. James Lytel of coming his pants right now at us talking about these things.

Rev. 1988, side-by-side, you're only young once. We jinxed this the last time we talked about. We really did. Now it's just Demise. Demise is the only band that hasn't played again. I would love to manifest that one into happening. So Demise is the only band that hasn't played again. Never.

Side by side was kind of also mythical because they like, like they were a thing that was kind of separate from the other youth crew guys. And they kind of beefed. And that was like, that became a song on the alone in the crowd. There was like all this lore behind it.

Then it was like fucking cool. And I had heard through the grapevine that Jules, the singer would like still go to shows. Just like go. He was just into hardcore. Like through the 2000. So yeah that made a difference when you were a kid.

Fuck yeah dude. I mean to this day I am and we've talked about this before but I like if he's home, Martines going to a show. You know what I mean? Like that makes that makes a fucking difference. If the venue has a bar, he's at the show. I just like I like who doesn't like that obviously. Yeah.

But side by side was fucking formative because there was more of the. like the song backfire is literally like you hate life but you don't know what it's about that's the fucking lyric it's like you don't know what you're fucking talking about like you're alive you know kind of a thing no exactly you know and uh also like aesthetically side by side was on another on another dimension what's on the is it the beastie boys on the cover no it's lL cool jay that's right yeah you're absolutely right the shoes are are so big if you look at the cover. It's insane. It's really, you know why.

Yeah. Big old fucking. So yeah. Side by side, iconic cover. You can't miss it. I got a real modern pick. Modern to us. Okay. For this next one.

Blacklisted. Yeah. Peace on earth or on stage. I knew this was one where I knew you were getting. And I haven't heard this in 10 years. What's on it? Let me look at it. Memory Lane.

Fucking. Canonize. Yeah, that mean. Woo. God damn. Woo. And this, they were like era defining. Yeah.

When you look at that and bands that came out after this just were trying to do this. And so even blacklisted, every time they put. something out completely transformed who they were. Oh, dude, they were kings of that. And I all, I deeply, deeply respect. Yeah, they were kings at doing that. Just never sounded the same twice.

They were the first ban. I think it was when, God, what's the, what's the one, the other LP with the longer name? Be it goes on. No, lonely, lonely or, yeah. heavier than heaven, lonely than God. Thank you. They did a, like, they did like a East Coast record release,

a Chicago record release and then a, and I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, phenomenon in Chicago. Oh yeah, yeah, big time. But I like,

couldn't believe it. I was like, they can do that. Like they're big enough to do, you know, and now it's like, you know, flying out to do it.

Yeah. This is a good example of, this record was like existed to, to boost heavier than heaven eventually. Right. You know, I think if not all three of, out of four are on,

are on there. I can check for you. You don't have to. It's fine. But heavier than heaven was so interesting because I remember the unmastered version leaked. Oh. And people were so devastated for them that the pre-orders exploded. I remember that.

This thing must have sold 20,000 LPs. Holy shit. I forgot all about that. I got all four colors and I didn't have a job. And that was on Death Wish. Wow. Yeah. Big time.

and I think this being this good and the production being this cool, George's lyrics were always 10 years ahead of his time. They could, I mean, their comeback shows selling out in one second is, yeah, there you go. It's cool to see as like, we are the like blacklisted generation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. We were literal kids as they were running shit. So it's good to see. see their name back on the marquee. They also had the reputation. The most frightened I've ever been that wasn't a killer show was when they covered River Runs Red. Yeah.

And like I was legitimately afraid to be where I was like in the room. They had the reputation of a live show being just fucking. Oh, chaos. Chaos. Which is interesting because it that went through even on these songs. And it's like the big pit is like, Dano, no, no. Yeah.

Like a blues scale. Yeah. Weird riff that nothing sounds like. Yes. Nothing did this. Nobody sounded like this. Nobody did what they were doing. And if they did after, they didn't do a good job.

Very good. Pudos to Blacklist. Very well said. Thank you. My next one. A recent acquisition. Oh. The outburst.

Miles to go. I don't know what the impact of this was at the time. Do you know what I mean? No idea. No idea. I know what it did to my group of friends when we heard it. And I would maybe like two generations later. Yes.

Was like, oh, no, this is this is what we like. Boop. Boop. Yeah. And it was like, oh, they, there you go. They did it. awesome production awesome lyrics hateful aggressive songs

like the vocals were like good you know what I mean like hard unique one of a kind riffs there's a little poster in here Brian Donahue vocals this came out on Blackout records

1989 1989 89 89 89 and it's fucking about about about five or six years ahead of its time probably Just considering how hard it was. I would love to know more about.

Oh, dude. And here you go. Like here, I've never looked at this. There's a picture on the front. You're not going to be able to see it. But the singer right there is wearing a Metallica shirt. That.

And that's something Young Bo would be like, wow. I'd be like he could do that. I'm allowed to like Metallica too. Exactly. Fucking awesome. And that's 89. 89. So that's a real Metallica shirt.

You know. That's a day. And that's after Ride the Lightning came out. people were like, Metallica are fucking posers and they're not hardcore anymore. Yeah, that's an injustice or before. Yeah. It's a pushead design, I can tell.

But yeah, I have no idea what the impact of this band was like, like breakdown. I do know because you would hear about it. Killing time, like the raw deal demo or whatever. You like, there are a show, like there's VHS. Like I've seen videos. I don't know about Ubers. I don't know.

You just don't know what people thought of them? I don't know if at the time, they were popular. Yeah. If they were over. If I don't know if they were over. I'll tell you, Dan, what, they surely are now. Yeah, this is, this is pretty, pretty up there on mine.

Good. Kind of solely based on what this did for my generation of, like, new bands. Yeah, yeah, dude. And I don't know if you can tell those of you watching. They are just lads. They're children. Just lads. Kids.

I think there's a cool, there's a funny picture. out there somewhere of outburst just taking a picture with Peter Steele. Really? I'm just like, yo, it's Peter Steele. Let's get a pick. Are you thinking of the youth of today one?

I don't think so. There's one with Porcel and Capo with Peter and Peter's like wearing a... No, those, they had to have been boys. I'm pretty sure it was like outburst being like, yo, it's Peter Steele. Oh, he's just like out and out.

Outburst, Peter Steele. I'm just getting articles about Peter Steele outbursts. goes on a conservative outbursts. I instinctively wrote down a split. But I really think, I think I should save it for a splits episode. Fuck, but it's the best one.

I know. And I'm sure it's the same one as you. I'm looking at it. I got it in front of me. I'm sure it's the same one. And I'm moving. Son of a bitch. I just feel like that's a whole other conversation.

I just don't know as many. There are fewer good splits out there, I would say, than good EPs. Okay, then Tara Ringworm Split. There it is. I mean, it, go ahead and talk about it. Break that thing down for me. Show them the back. Read that track list off.

Oh, the track list? Track list. Out of my way. This was a song, I'm pretty sure they play it most of the time now. But this was a song that they didn't play for a long. time and it was like a thing, you know? And it's the one for those of you don't know, it's one that starts with fuck everything and everybody. And I remember at the time when I first heard it, I thought it was like a borderline industrial song. Because this version, I know,

hear me out. This version sounds in such a way. And my fucking, I downloaded it, pirated it and played it off an iPod. My shitty car stereo sounded so crazy. So you just saw it was like, he's riding on the Tom's, right? For so, it sounded like a nine-ish-nails part or like a ministry part or something to me.

Unbelievable song. Nothing to lose is the next terror song. The second-terror song. The Carl, the Carl First Blood, nothing to lose, Mosh call. When you, oh. Brow. I don't know how he does that.

The ringworm side. Come on. No one dies alone. No one dies. And then House of Hell. House of hell. Holy shit. We have mercy.

I mean, for anybody who doesn't know, Death Wish did three Dead Man's hands releases. There's a hearts that's yet to be filled. There's been a couple of prospective hearts. Yeah, there's been a few. many times we've both been pitched for yeah and uh this is one that i got when it came out i remember um but yeah sorry i hijacked your pick there but it's no i i'm glad you that you did because it's

fun to that we finally agree agree on one and say it at the same time um i man this is is this the same recording as low so no i don't think so i don't think so uh let me i can find out recorded at Blood Tracks in the fucking Valley, by the way, is what it says in the line of the... That's Nick Jett, so maybe not. In the fucking valley. Yeah.

Two different days, about two weeks apart. Engineered by Nick. Terror and Ringworm. God damn. Perfect. A lot of bands did a split with Ringworm. Cold his life did a split of the Ringworm. I found that out only when doing like research for...

Oh, wow. Yeah, it's almost like it's like a right of passage to do it. It's like wrestling Randy Orton, you know, doing a split with Ringworm. worm. It's the same thing. You gotta do it. I'd like to write that. God damn, dude. Terror ringworm are like the best of two generations. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like

ringworm doing a split with terror so far. Yeah. So far into their career is like, here's the torch. Yeah. Go ahead. Even though Scott was like, has been blazing the trail his entire life. Very true. Wow. Two of two, two landmark hardcore bands playing two of their

hardest, most formative songs. House of Hell ever. Specifically this version is my favorite ringworm song. Ringworm song. Yeah. Like I got it. You know?

I love that fucking song. Production crazy. Great. On this version. You're right? Yeah. All right. 89.

Last youth crew band. Chain of Strength, true till done. Rev 10. When I heard it and I saw someone say true till death and it meant straight as there was no at the time there was no ambiguity about it. That was what I was looking for. Now they've since whatever. I don't think it was true to love.

Still is for me. But chain were the West Coast kind of counter. part to all the the East Coast shit. And my, Jesus, my fucking band with Chris, that first band, I think we covered Chain of Strength every show we played. Every single show. One time, I can't remember the band, Chris would know, there was a show at DePaul. It was a three-piece band or a four-piece, but the drummer didn't know a chain song.

And they said, does anybody know Chain of Strength through these eyes? And Chris went, I do, sat down and played. Ripped it. He got the paws and everything. That's awesome. Nailed it. They were just super important. They were just, and they were the band. I don't know if I'm talking out of turn or anything, but they were the band for me where it was like,

oh, they have posy tops. Oh, they all have X watches. Oh, they were. It was kind of like what you think youth crew to look like. Hmm. They were doing, you know. Yeah. Intentional or not, probably.

But, you know, and that for me was formative. Sure. If you're listening to this thinking, if you're like stopping to listen to these things while we're talking about this and you're listening to Train Strength and you're thinking, I'm not sure this one is for me. Yeah. You're not alone. Yeah, no, for sure. And again, I'm sure people would think that about neglect, you know, like there are other. They're insane.

But yeah, I'm sure they're out there. But this is, Chan and Strength is one of those bands that I just could never really. Chana Strength is one of those bands that I listened to that made me decide like, huh, maybe not all hardcore music is for me.

There you go. But I'm the guy putting 25th the life on his best EP's list, you know, and proud of it. All right. Take it away. Let's see. Here we go.

I got a lot of modern picks coming up, especially. because we've shared a few. Earth crisis all out war. Had to happen. I have that somewhere. I don't know why I didn't grab it. I think this is the superior EP over Firestorm to me.

It's more, it's more punk, honestly. Yeah, definitely. Rar recording. Did you say Rar? Rawer. Rawer. More raw. Okay.

Additionally raw. Rar recording is whatever. RARXD recording. I guess it's more vegan than straight-edge, you know, which sucks. For me personally, for them, it's huge. Firestorm, obviously, I could, was like, that's the hit. That's, that's that or Sandman, brother. That's timeless.

All out war was just more to sink my teeth into. Yeah. Well, all at war, you could say, I don't know that this was the first Earth Crisis record I heard, but like I'm not straight-edge without this. Oh, period. Period. So that's kind of my thing with my last several picks from Warzone through chain. You're not blank without these things.

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Yeah. Yeah. These are the anatomy of Colin and Bo. Yes. As much as any LP, these are on there. And then there's just, there's some coming up now that I just think are fucking awesome.

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but I would also say that overball and I would I would have thought that would be sacrilegious or something. I'm just a pragmatist, you know. But I, you know, Madball is, is one of the rare cases of a lot of things I've said is like, you know, other than, no, I guess not. Many of the things I've said are these bands best releases. Many of the ones you said are the best songs those bands wrote for sure. Madball just kept getting better. Yeah. For fucking 10, 15 years.

I and I think that that needs to be applauded. Freddie sounds crazy. Yeah. Like everything about it is perfect. So big fit. Yeah. Big old fan. This is the only genre, I feel like, of music where other, this and like metal is where the like EP or LP conversation can even really take place.

Yeah. How is the Paradise EP and EP? Shit's long as fuck. And arguably. It is, but it's also like that's, that was put out to keep the Born to die cycle going. I know. I don't know if I wanted though right now. That's funny.

I just think about these things. Like, well, what are other commercial EPs, you know? So that's why I was bringing it up. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It was one of my top five that is a commercial EP by, I don't know how they did it, but they did it. Cool. Cool.

All right. My next pick. Trapped under ice. Stay cold. How could you not? This changed the world, brother. I don't know how else to describe it. It completely shifted the landscape of modern hardcore.

I mean, you just described it. I guess that is it. It killed, melodic hardcore, was dead. Thank you. This killed it. And everybody, camo pants were there. They arrived. Gene shorts became a genre of music rather than just a garment.

Yeah. Finally. I remember being in people's, multiple people's cars. And that is what was on. You know what I mean? Like, I remember the demo already kind of did that. The demo was like, oh shit. Like what and who is this?

Baltimore. You know. Yeah. Who are these guys? Where did they come from? And then this was like such a crazy. The amount of anticipation that there was for stay cold was like, I'd never seen anything.

like I'm surprised this isn't in your top five actually my top five is like deeply personal okay deeply okay and but I would say in terms of like my first tour my first two tours I ever did in my life were with Trapp and Rice they played four of these songs on the whole thing I've seen them live a hundred times probably you can there's a reason Trappner Rice is headlining festivals to this day. Absolutely. And it's what we said about... It didn't even start here.

Started with the fucking demo. They're still playing half the demo at these shows. What we said about negative approach kind of applies to T.E. With like modern... Traveyor is basically the modern negative approach in terms of geographically. Dude, London hardcore?

Yeah. What would London hard? What would hardcore in England sound like without Traffender Ice? They're the biggest band from the chisel, I guess. Yeah, but even they would have gotten to the chisel a little earlier, maybe without driving their eyes. But man, they changed shit around the literal world. And there was no ambiguity about it.

They were touring. They were fucking kicking ass. They were out. Everybody loved them. You know? Yeah. Good, good picks. That's a solid piece.

They had swag. Swag. they literally had an indefinable type of swag where it was like damn this band is good and there's something like superstarish about the guys in the band you know you just want to be friends with

which you can't teach that you can't teach want to be friends with you really can't floor punch division one champs in my blood oh one brother 1996 again fuck you straight yeah this is this is the best kind yeah this is it too no exceptions forget it.

There was a period of time that arms wave in. If that feedback came on and doodling do that came on, you had to jump on somebody. Like that was like what happened. Super important band. They kind of bridge the gap for me.

Because in the 90s you know, Earth crisis fucking killed youth crew. Yeah. Integrity killed youth crew. And they kind of bridge. that gap of the 88 thing and the 2000s thing for me. It did. Because it was,

because it maintained the fuck you that was lost. And if you guys don't know, go on YouTube and look up the final mosh. Look up to the string of intros that they play at CBGBs as their last show. Porter still left. And like me watching that as a kid after

it was like these guys like all this stuff. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. But they don't sound like this. Exactly. So it was both confusing and inspiring. Exactly, dude. Perfect.

It was like, oh, this doesn't have to all go in a box. But also maybe I wish they sounded like all these things. And then that makes you deep dive in and go, do they? Like are all these bands in the DNA of their music in different ways that I don't understand? For sure. The no exception baseline does not get written. without AF already doing those kinds of intros to songs. You know what I mean?

But then it's like biohazer and leeway are in there somehow? Yeah, that's a good point. Crazy band. I forgot they do the leeway one. I forgot. They're cool. Yeah. I remember James had it on VHS because he used to get there.

There was no YouTube. You would get this shit from swapping with people. From my guy. And we would just watch it in his room. It's fucking sick. Yeah, and still straight edge. Still straight edge. 1996.

Floor punch rips. Take it away. One of the greats, simply put, period. My next pick, man, I got some modern ones. And, okay, so this is an interesting one because all at war is a band that never stopped writing good music. To this day. Right. Still do it.

Six, seven years ago, I think maybe eight now. This is like a new record to me. Right. They put out an EP called Dying Gods. Right. That was the most brilliant decision of a, like, classic metallic hardcore band could have ever made. Because you're just getting to the streaming era. People's attention spans are dropping, like crazy.

All time low. And then they put five tracks recorded perfectly with some of the craziest. but there's there is a fucking riff that happens for 10 seconds in the first track on this that like permanently altered the way that I perceive music and I've been writing music a long time by the time I hear this because it was just like dude how are they still doing this and it was it inspired me to to write that is inspiring and literally the definition or a Fuck. So rare. I wouldn't even

it's it's you they're a unicorn. Yeah. It doesn't exist. Yeah. But it does and all at war somehow. To still be this good. Dying God's EP. Unbelievable. Perfect and sonically structurally,

lyrically, riffly. Just dope. This one I think is it's going to be in people's top fives. I'm giving it. I'm putting it out here because It was certainly important for me. And possibly it holds up the best. American Nightmare are self-titled.

Oh, man. Bridge 9-07 to the year 2000. Another genre-defining. Genre-era-defining. A literal sea change of food. It was like, oh, everyone's going to try to sound like this now. And like, I don't like a single band that sounds like American Night. Mm-hmm.

You know? Mm-hmm. And somehow, That shit works. Because it was hard. It was hard. It was aggressive. And you're a lyric man.

And you're an emotion's guy. And some of the best lyrics, straight up. There's a straight line from crown of thorns to the American nightmare. Somehow. And again, I love the lore. I love this shit. At the last 10-yard fight show, Wes is pitting hard as fuck to 10-yard fight. I love that.

That's the shit that I live for is like, wait, these are two completely different things. Yeah. But are they? But are they? Yeah, exactly. And like, so I'm all in on stuff like that. I think this was the first time I became aware of a record being like really valuable, like a modern record.

Like something that wasn't Chung King or Age of Quarrel. Sure. Was like, or Division I champs on gold. On gold. Yeah. For those of you don't know, they sacrificed the few copies of on gold to the Jersey shore. when that came out just so that you couldn't get them. A few copies.

Yeah. I think it was like hundreds, right? I mean, something, a significant amount that will never be recovered. So they're really rare. But the drummer boy American nightmare version, I forget which color or whatever, but it was like the one and it became, I remember it being like, oh, this is a commodity. This is something that like people want very new to me. But, I mean, that thing fucking rips. It holds up.

it's incredible. I probably haven't listened to it in, I mean, it came out 23 years ago. And you know every single second. I probably know every lyric still. Yeah. I won't go. Yeah, that,

because I've been there before. Seven years before Trappner Ice came along. Yeah. This set the tone for the next seven years. Yeah. This. Yeah. Blacklisted.

Have heart ceremony. That was like 2000 to 2007. Mm-hmm. It's a good pick. It's very true. I got a, I'm scared to say this one because I feel like I know it's in your top five. Oh, okay. Which makes me maybe want to hold off on it.

Yeah. I'm going to hold off on it because I feel like it might be your number one, honestly. This other one too, maybe, but I'm going to go ahead and say this one. Allison Chains, Jar of Flies. Oh, see, this is why I asked you if it had to be core. You told me how to be core. This is the only one I pick. Okay.

Well, that is. I have like a first list and then I made my real one. It's the second. It's the second one. Go ahead and talk about this and then I will talk about it. Dude, a commercial commercially successful EP. You know how fucking hard that is to attain? And to be like some of the least accessible but also most acceptable, accessible music, a band is written.

Allison Chains, I feel like is so unfairly lumped into a grunge. Absolutely. Because of how fucking hard they are? So hard. Where did that come from? I have no idea. What do they like? I don't know.

We got to talk to Jerry. We got to get big Jerry on here, dude. When I tell my smart device, good morning, it turns off my air conditioning that I sleep next to you. It turns on some lights and it plays jars of flies. Every single morning. Every single day? Every single day for the last four months. for some reason this, this, and only the first four songs, by the way, I don't like the harmonica song.

And I don't like the swing song, obviously, because I think, brother, you know I love a harmonia. Yeah. And it's funny. You know, I can't believe it's a keyboard harmonica. It's not even a real harmonica. Don't care. Don't care a lot of it. A real harmonica is, is, it don't make sense.

You don't need to be, you don't need all that. You don't even be breathing into the thing you're playing. Just give me a keyboard, you know. What do you guys to prove? Um, just do that. Rotten apple. Nutshell. I'll stay away.

God, nutshell. And what's, uh, no excuses? No excuses. Those four songs. Oh my God. It's fucking unbelievable.

That's enough to carry a band to success there. Nowadays, if you got a, a run of four tracks alone, you're probably, you're playing Coachella for the rest of your life. Unbelievable. They just did that as like a free, it was like,

as an EP that's gonna exist, I guess. And then when they did the MTV unplug thing, they didn't even play all of those songs. And they're like catered made. They played. They didn't play rotten apple. No, they played nutshell and no excuses.

And gosh. Oh my God. Oh my God. You can play. That version of no excuses is like, is maybe my single favorite song thing they've ever done. And you could play that, right? on drums.

Oh yeah. I play it with Martinez at practice a whole time. So that's very impressive to me because it sounds like he's got eight arms. You know what I mean? It's not as crazy as it sounds. It's just syncopated really well.

It's just like he's doing the same thing perfectly. Right, right, right. Well, if we're going to do like a like that, I have, I do have one that I was going to put that I took off. That is a bigger EP. I've got one in my top five. It's the nine-inch nails broken EP.

See, I expected that for me. I took it off because of the ruling, but I'm glad that we're doing this now. This won a Grammy. Yeah. I think that's the best thing they ever wrote. I think it probably, uh,

no, I don't agree, but it's, it's, it's, it's the hardest thing they ever wrote. It's, it's the hardest,

it's like the craziest sounding. It sounds heavy. It has crazy lyrics, and big, fist fuck and it won a Grammy. Like, it's fucking crazy. That song is hard as fuck

for, one and has a big huge hook. Yep. That in a way that like I, when I heard that, it was like, oh man, I'm going to love Niners Snail. Yeah. Yeah, I got you. I got you.

And then nothing else really did that for me. That's interesting to me. I digress. But maybe you could get me into them. You know, many have tried. Yeah. All have, all have really. I love that record and I like Downward Spiral.

Okay. And you don't fuck about as far as it. You don't like Pretty Hate Machine. No, I do. I like, uh, I like, you know, had like a hole a couple tracks.

A couple tracks to me. A couple tracks for sure. They create, well, I love him, but I can honor, I, I accept a couple tracks.

The crazy thing about that record is 89. Yeah. Same year outburst, Miles to Goal came out. He made pretty hate machine. It's just, yeah, he, him,

it boggles my mind. Yeah. We kind of got crossed up there. But yeah, Allison Chan's great, excellent. Darfly's, perfection, broken EP,

best thing they ever wrote. And these are our non-hardcore. I got one in my top five. Okay. If it's top five. But you'll see, it still kind of counts. You'll see.

Oh, man, I'm running low. How many you got before your top five? I got four. And I got some like, I got some genuine honorable mentions on hand here. Righteous jams, Boston straight edge seven inch.

That's all you need to know. It was, they were called Invasion and then they changed the name. The lyric goes, Invasion used to be this band. But now we're playing Righteous Jams. Brilliant.

Brilliant. One of DFJ's just endless fountains. The God. We gotta get him on. We gotta get him on here. Is every single one of those songs on... Rage of Discipline?

I think so. Righteous Jams, Invasion, Scream. They knew what they had. Where it's due, Busted, Righteous Dub. Yeah, they did a, they did like a reggae song too. Right. Which like that was another thing where I was a huge bad brains guy. And I love that like, I liked that Lions of Judah and like these kinds of bands.

Acknowledged that part of the bad brain shit. Because I always, if you don't, what do we say? The reggae part of hardcore. The reg. Hardcore's reggae history. What do we? Checkered past. What do we say if you skip the fucking reggae songs?

Oh, yeah. If you skip, I and I survive. Put a bowl. your head. Just put it there. Don't shoot yourself. I saw them tour on this. And the set was so short,

people were asking for more. And they were like, we don't have any more songs. So everyone said, well, play him again. And they just played like three of the songs again. That's cool.

And it was just as crazy. It was fucking awesome. Colin of Arabia played that show. Big German energy there. Very German energy. Plays him again. Spiel and en vita. Please.

Um, Youth Today Disengage 7-inch, their last release. Uh-huh. There's a song called Envy, kind of whatever. Modern Love Story, fine. The song Disengage was written as a judge song. Wow. Didn't make the cut.

I had no idea. Listen to it through that. I know. I know. I like the song. And you go, this is a judge song. Yeah. There's like a build up and like, yeah.

That's why the song fucking rocks. That's why it rips. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Song is incredible. Um, this is one of the first seven inches I even bought when I was a young and cool, like full color shit. Sammy is 15 in this picture. Jesus Christ.

A little baby boy. Um, I'll get to another. I'll talk more about you today in a bit, but the disengaged seven inch fucking awesome. Richie playing bass in it at this time. Come on. Right. Come on. You know.

The God. The king on that note. my next pick and and hear me out of here this is another this is just like that all at war record where a band that's been around for so long comes back

with their best songs into another omens holy shit into another is a band that doesn't make any fucking sense don't make no sense but somehow

I can't if I don't do drugs I'm straight-ditch You know? But into another, I might as well. Yeah. When I'm listening to another, I'm high. Stone.

I'm out of my mind, dude. It's a religious experience. And I'll never forget this coming out and us listening to it in the van being like, huh, new into another came out. Can you believe that? Let's listen to it. And then proceeding to listen to it all night. And dude, surely expectations were pretty low. when a band comes back, you know.

So they did a show. Okay. And it was, they did like the Rev show here. Right. And like Peter Moses was back on guitar. And he was the only, he was the sole guitar player for a long time. So it was like, Peter Moses coming back was like, damn, this is into another. I think they do somebody, I think Ryan Downey told me that they had, they do have a new guy who wrote a fair amount, a ton of this, if not all this.

Oh. But it was like, damn, Peter Moses is back. Therefore, I'm hopeful to whatever they do next. Yeah. And into another's interpretation of like what they think that they should sound like now was fascinating enough for us to be like, put it on, let's see what this is. And it is, damn, it's, this is like number six. Okay.

Okay. For just best EPs. Because to exist for this. long and have the awareness to be like, no, what if we just did five perfect songs? And it's structured as like, here's this classic song to open it of like, here's what we sound like. And here's what people know we sound like. Yeah.

And then track two to come hard. Big fucking mosh into a big ripping solo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They know what they're doing. And then they put this big ballad. and then another classic into another track and then a big sexy like sad closer

it is truly into another omens a perfect modern piece of hardcore metal 2015 yeah that's that is crazy it's crazy dude it is truly

obscenely good and it just barely doesn't make my top phone yeah for those of you don't know, the singer, Richie, was in Youtha Today. He sang an underdog. He was involved in all of this shit that we've been talking about. So like to continue on and also talk about a guy who like took risks in like vocally performance wise and it fucking pays off like you can't describe into another to someone. No. You have to. When you try to somebody's like, fuck you. I'm not listening to that. And they're wrong and then more for me, you know.

Yeah. More into another for you. I got one more honorable mention here. And this is not just me sucking you sideways. Stop. But when this came out. Oh, come on, man. When the preacher man, seven-inch came out, this is a perfect seven-inch.

Yeah, preacher-man, feeder disease, and a cover. Yeah. That's a perfect modern seven-age. Well, thanks, man. I really truly mean that. That like this meant a lot to me still does. But like that was the thing that made me go, oh, I get what they're doing.

I get it now. I had heard sleep therapy. I didn't quite get it. It was rough around the edges. Michael Hayes did. Voice wasn't there. You know? Yeah.

I didn't get it. I didn't think it was going to work. Yeah. Thanks, man. You know, and you know how I feel about no gods and blind. I do. I was just going through my seven inches. Dude, I got, I got all kinds of, I got Valley shit here. I got all kinds of stuff. Uh, 2000 teamwork records carry on. Roll with the punch. Oh my God, dude. At the time, the fastest guitar playing at it ever. The fastest music ever recorded. I couldn't fucking believe it. Yeah. I could not believe it. Todd's right hand is, is, uh, Het-esque. Truly, truly like in a league of his own in this genre of music. I have no argument.

He's crazy. Carry on. I've talked about many times before. The LP is one of my favorite things that ever came out of hardcore music. But this was the first time I heard carry on. I can literally pick. I would stare at the cover. I thought it was so cool.

And it's like tattoo flash art. It's not that crazy, you know, in the grand scheme. Well, it's crazy about carry on. on, it is, it is both melodic, yes, hardcore, and fuck you straight edge. So kind of, it's kind of American Night member with more of the straight edge thing.

Yeah. And then, of course, Wes sang on the LP. Yeah. So for me as a day. And then big mosh out of nowhere sometimes. Calm. Ah, dude.

Off my chest. Dude. Woo! Off my chest is so crazy. Off my chest as a song is like, you know how on a PG. 13 movie you can say fuck one time. One time. Yeah. Yeah. That's off my chest. Oh, oh, you're saying like, that's the track. You get every, every fast like melodic straight edge man gets to go jun,

in one song per record. And that was decided by carry on. And yet. So if you're listening to this and you're going to start a fast melodic stradage man, you get to go jun, jun, jun, one time per record. Dude, don't waste it. Carry on. I fucking love carry on. This is a, great hardcore EP, regardless of what came out afterwards. Sure. Great. Yeah, like a perfect record coming out afterwards. Didn't even matter.

Didn't even matter. They already... Because they already had it. They already had it. And a ton of the songs are on there. Yep. This is a real personal pick for this next one. Disgraced songs are suffering.

Dude. That's an EP. Yeah. Fuck. It hits perfect. I, I fully agree. I legitimately thought it was an LP.

No, it's six songs, I think. Great pick. Nobody else in the world. No other collection of guys could have written these songs. Nope. The mind of Kyle as a guitar player. Yeah. Like pretty much unrivaled in terms of like,

in like the modern landscape of guitar players and just terms of like technical ability and how he chooses to apply it. I don't think he's so weird. I don't think people know that. No, and it's a shame because he's like not out there playing. Forced order, obviously,

came after disgrace. And that was where he and Mike really put their heads together to be like, what if we just did a hardcore bank? Yeah. What would that be like? And again,

those riffs are fucking crazy. Yes. So that makes sense. But disgrace was Kyle and Mike writing the craziest songs ever with the goal of writing the craziest songs ever. With. Taylor singing with that dude I mean and Taylor like proving himself as like the reluctant.

Yeah. Amazing frontman. Yeah. Gunnals. The man did not want to sing. Gunnals ask. Gunnals ask truly. sang because he had to because there was another option.

Great. I have no argument. Just one of one of my favorite bands period. But obviously I'm biased. I remember before you and I were tight when disgrace, what was the fest in Australia, gold coast, gold coast? Break the ice. Break the ice. Disgrace was playing and there was a video and you're in the background air drumming.

Oh, my God. I just remember thinking like, oh, that's cool. It's his friends, his brothers, man. That's nice. I know every single one of them hits that Mike does on them drums and every single. I know every single one. I've studied them as if they were my own. Because I felt it was, it was, those were my guys.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. It was like my team is doing another. That was twitching tongues without you at the time. Yeah. It was literally just me. So when we toured together, it was the ultimate.

Yeah, of course. Cheat code. Obviously suck for them. But I would, I would do merch for them as the trade of like, you guys are busy. I'll do this. Do you keep your tips? There were no tips at this time. Fair enough.

Tips are new, dude. I don't know about that. Yeah, I kept the $8 in tips I got at that time. Now I'm getting, I'd be rich. Yeah, disgrace songs of suffering truly so good that how is it going to be understood, you know? I mean. By these absolute ninkoops that were running around by that time. I still don't know those songs that well.

You know what I mean? Like, I still go, oh, fuck, that's right. Like, how did they do? How did they do that? Yeah. And just, like, based on what else was popular at that time? Yeah. Oh.

2012? Nothing sounded like that. No. It was, it was too smart. It was too good for their own good, truly. But, and like, even them playing it for the children last year, I think they felt like they were, Taylor, at least, was like, I feel like I'm trying to present my new band to people,

and I don't want that to be the goal. You know, it was like he wanted it to be this special thing of like, oh, wow, they're playing. And those songs are so technical and heavy and insane that moshing to them is almost like, it's like it's too hard to do. There's what I can literally think of like the gun, gung, gung, gung, gung, gung, gung, gung, that's like the only time where it's like. And even then they fucking, yeah, they switch the beat. There's tons apart. There's a mosh part.

There's a mosh part in every song. I'm saying an obvious like. Yeah, but the time signatures and the nuances and stuff changed so frequently. Dude, if you guys, man, there's nothing I like more than getting into a band that has few releases because it's less daunting, obviously. Yeah. Which is why at the time, like when I was young, beyond age of quarrel didn't exist as far as we were concerned. So it was like, oh, here's this band with like this one perfect record.

Disgrace has an EP and an LP and they're fucking... And a split. And a split. Split with harness, which both of those songs are on the LP. But there's something, there's something magical about the split versions, you know? There always is. There really is, man. But, you know, obviously this is a deeply personal pick for me. But man. I got one more before top five. Okay. This one, I was torn between. and you know this or get an oxygen tank. But I went with Mental, get an oxygen tank, Bridge 940, 2003,

which is funny because the next in the top five that I'm sure you and I both are going to have is also in 2003. So it's just like the kind of hardcore that was around at this time. Yeah. Was pretty. There was a lot on the spectrum.

There was a lot. It was, you know, it was a spectrum. Yeah. HopeCon was out. A.N. was out. All the lock and out shit was out.

It was like dark, dark hardcore was raining, dude, dark H.C. Yeah. Was, was ruin the world. But then you had the A.N. and the mental. And then a pair of fucking Nike dunk smashed through that window. It really did. You know, all of these bands. But yeah, mental, I saw mental a bunch around this time.

They played Chicago a lot. And they were fucking. Let's Philly to Chicago. Or Boston to Chicago. How long is that thing? It's not even close. No. It's like me playing Seattle.

Dude, we were just the only place in between, you know. Louisville is a relatively recent thing. Right. Even Detroit. You know, it's just we were just like the... I played some fucking stinkers in Detroit. We played one together. And it was just, you know...

Oh my God, that one. Remember that one? Dude. That was a rough one. That was bottom three of the tour probably. Yeah. On a rough tour. Yeah.

Holy hell. I think we were just the only place. And if you're going west or you're going east, like, what are you going to, you know? Yeah. But yeah, they played here a bunch. I saw them at DePaul. DePaul University used to have shows for like four years when someone went to college there. And they had so many good fucking shows.

Mental was maybe the first, like mental shirts being a rare come up. commodity and it being like a marketplace for mental shirts was maybe the first time I was I was aware of kind of what was going on. I remember hearing about them having a line during bands at posy numbers and that being like oh no. Like yeah, that was a controversial. And now, unfortunately, it's normal. It's normal.

But they were that band at that time where it was like they got a new shirt. I got to get it. Yeah. New mental shirt. Yeah. I'll kill myself if I don't own it. Top five. Yeah.

Hit me, dude. And this is any order, right? I know. I have them. You have them in order? I kind of have them in order. I can do it. I can do it.

I have a hard number one that I think is like the best hardcore EP period. I know there are two that we're going to have. I know. Okay. Yeah, for sure. Hit me with your, hit me with five. Okay. Grimlock, thirst for immortality.

It's the reason we're talking right now. It is the, it is the sole reason that this show exists at the end of the day. You know? First domino. First domino that led me to Bo that led Hardlore to be on your fucking YouTube screen or on your in your ears right now. I heard the bell for Mountain of Power with Taylor Young in a car in the backseat of a car together. And it didn't matter that it wasn't like the cleanest.

This was the, at this point of my life, as a literal child, this is the least polished music I'd ever heard. Yeah. Might as well have been noise. Harsh noise. It might as well have been noise, but all I knew is it was going gin, gen, Jen, Jen, Jen, gen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen. And I knew and Taylor knew whatever that just was that we heard is all we want.

So Aaron Young, please show us more. And Aaron would be like, I don't listen to that. Here's some other things that my friends left behind. And then Taylor started his voyage of discovering things. And I got what was left behind. Yeah. And what was shared with me by him. But this was it.

Thirst for mortality was the thing that led us on this path. Beautiful. I love that. I can, I can, I'll do that now. The, the only official EP that wasn't a single release by a band I know you and I both love is the misfits. Beware. Ah. Wow.

Which is, it's technically a comp, but it's an EP. It's got, we are 138 bullet, Hollywood Babylon, attitude, horror business, teenagers from ours last caress. Those are like the best punk songs ever. Ever. Ever. Like, period. Yeah. literally ever. This was...

How can you even argue that? Plan 9, 1980. And these were all... Oh my God, dude. They're it, dude. Yeah. That's the best punk band ever. They're fucking it. And this is obviously a boomer.

A certain record star I go to puts out these like unnamed bootlegs. It's really funny. Like, that didn't happen. But... Look how little the seven inch. Look how little the like amount of music there is. That's insane. It's the best.

The white part is so big. Huge. The label is huge. Wow. That's awesome. It's technically the only EP. It's a comp, whatever. You know, they were doing what they had to do.

This is before Doyle was even in the band. This is Bobby Steele. All right. I love the misfits. Big domino band for me. It probably legitimately goes, Blink 12 misfits. And that is kind of what started.

Because they were doing everything else. There is a letter that, was on Misfit Central because I used to fucking obsess over it where he sends walk among us to Al Barill from SSD and says share this with all the boys meaning like all the Boston dudes and being the fucking mark that I am for that kind of shit that you know it all ties in put the whole perspective and it all ties up for me so misfits and Danzig were were a Nate LaVelt put me on to type thing really it was like I got into them backwards because I showed him typo and he's like, just so you know, you like dancing.

And it was like, I don't want to. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. I've tried, man. I've heard mother. It's fine.

Yeah, right. Yeah. And then her black wings. Like I was, like, this is the best music I've ever heard. That's my favorite dancing song. Yeah. See? And then I go back further.

And I'm like, okay, well, where's the DNA of this come from? And like, Sam Hane. Couple tracks. Couple tracks. For sure. Those tracks are amazing. Yeah. But couple.

You get it. You get it. And then just every misfits song is good. That's so surprising to me that you like the misfits. I think they're the best, the best punk band. They are. It just doesn't make,

it doesn't track. But think about this. I'm like, my house is decorated for Halloween already. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I got it. It's September 4th. I'm here. Yeah. The lyrics are, so stupid and insane and awesome. The songs are still aggressive. Still aggressive.

The melodies. I mean, that's... Are groundbreaking and like... You remember every single one? Every single one. They had no idea what they were doing or what they had and yet they did. There's a few people who I consider like alternative musical geniuses. Yeah.

Who like, they didn't just start. on something they like repeatedly did it. Danzig's one. Peter Steele's. He reinvented himself five, three times. Yeah. And and like found greater success. Pioneered something each time. And then

did a reunion with his first band that made more money than surely any other punk band has ever made it once. Ever. Peter Steele is one of them. Trent Reznor, I would say is probably one of them. Sure. I mean, Trent Resner, the film score composer. That's my dog. I'll take the social network score over

any any, but yeah, the misfits are, are so important to me. That's like Chris Mills put me on to you think, for sure.

Chris Mills and my friend Tom DeLong but yeah, misfits beware. That's my number five. Very good. Very nice. My number four would be

stigmata hymns for an unknown God. That's an EP. Yeah. Fuck. It's long. Yeah. So it's like,

it's probably 30 minutes. But it's seven songs. And you're giving me shit over dropping many songs. Yeah, but it's seven songs, you know? If it's a CD, if you buy a seven song CD, you'd be like, I just bought the new CDEP from Stigmata. True.

The point in my life in which I found this, to this day, I say is like, this is the thing that I found. Taylor showed me just damn near everything else. But you. I found. stigmata. For me, it was like, I had this secret thing that was like, damn, nobody, nobody I know

listens to this. And that tracks so well for you too because there's some, there's some melody in there. Yeah. And it's, it's very hard. The solos are like, good. How are they doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where do this come from?

Yeah. Playing a solo over like the mosh section of the song where you're like, oh, the whole part, the whole three minute opening track leads. to a solo and that's where you're going. Production produced by Harley Flanagan? Is that true? Yes, dude. I didn't know that.

It's fucking awesome. I didn't know that. And who knows what that actually means? Yeah, yeah, of course. But he's got producer credits. He's got production credit. He's got produced by Harley Flanagan credit. Wow.

Like, I think I've said this on the show several times now, but if you Google Hymns for Unknown God lyrics, you'll see that I submitted them. wherever they are. I typed them up from the booklet. Really? And sent them in. So this is, this is important music to me just because it, like, affirmed me on my journey of like, okay, I, there's things out there for me to discover. And like, the feeling of sharing that with Taylor of being like, dude, I found something. like I finally make me understand how he maybe felt that whole time

gotcha of being my old head and being like listen to this this this this and this there you go where I had a thing to be like did he did he uh was there any resistance or was he just like no you did it no yeah he was definitely just like where the fuck was this yeah and I think that's that's that's that's how I felt too in the sense of like what else is out there And how do I find it? How do I start finding? I wish hard Lord is this.

I was just going to say, now you got this. Jesus Christ. All right. Number four for me, we're going, we're going way back. We're going back to Boston. I'm shipping off to Boston. Ship it up. Dropkick Murphy's, you're going to put that one?

No. Before Slapshot was negative effects, before negative effects was last rights. Last Rites put out one record. Last Rites played one. show. The record has two songs. This, this release has two songs. There was a later on like kind of a comp thing. Chunks and so ends our night. Chunks might be the hardest punk sounding song. And so ends our night has the Coca-Cola. We don't drink no booze, no way line. Yeah. And the song is all about like, we went out looking for trouble and we didn't find anything. So we're just going to hang out.

Like it's literally about like, we went out, look, for a fight, didn't find anything. Oh, well. Let's get some sodas. Let's get some Coke. Some Coca-Cola. Sold. You know what I mean?

It's, it's... Chunks may be the most, like, top five covered song I've ever seen. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not going to lie. They covered it out of this is hardcore. And, or covered it. Slavshot played it.

Yeah. And I was very happy. Because I got to see him sing it. You know what I mean? Yeah. But, dude, it's fucking hard. If you look up Last Rites, there's a regrettable album cover with a certain dictator. Sure.

But that was just a punk thing. The band name's amazing. The band name is incredible. Yeah. And the other record cover is him with the hockey stick shirtless. And it's just, it's everything I like about that style of hardcore at the time. Sure. Last Rites, Tang Records, 1984. Enough said.

Two songs. Two songs. That's so crazy. on the chunks. It's literally called chunks. So-Ns-R-N-S-R-N-Each. That's the name of the book. Oh, it's like a, yeah.

That's it's awesome. My number three, Bo. You're going to do it today. Slayer. Hell of waits. Wow. That's an EP, dude. Think about it.

What is that, seven songs? I never realized that was an EP. Hell-O-W-W-T-W-T-K-Doo. Do you know a single person? who heard this as like a child or a teenager and wasn't immediately different after? I heard a band from here called Left Hand Path, or maybe it was undue tomorrow. They're kind of the same band.

Andrew Morrissey was in both. Heard them open with it when I was pure youth crew. Like full, this was when Double Cross was playing. We played the same show. And I was like, what is that? They played that and among the living by Anthrax. I was like, that's awesome. What is this?

I need to know what that is. And they were like, oh, this is Slayer. And I was like, I know south of heaven and I know raining blood. This is that? No. So to answer your question, no. And I. It is life affirming, life altering,

straight up metal music. I had no fucking idea that was an EP. Yeah. Wow. And there's no, there's no metal blade records today without this for sure. I would say, Hell of wait, it's probably the reason we were like,

yeah, we'll sign a Middle Blade. Oh, nice. This and Cannibal Corpse and Google Dolls for us. King Diamond. You know? Yeah. Google Dolls for us for sure. That's a great pick.

That's a gray pick. Strong. Also, like, this, the line between this and the hardcore music that I like and write is very thin too. We're all just going, da, da, da, da, da, nah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, dude. Hellawaites is Maraud. Holy shit. Very well put. We're all doing that. Is take by force. Like it's literally the same monochromatic kind of riff. The same, it's the same scale, same notes.

We're all doing Helowitz. Very good. If you're doing Marauder, you're doing Helwitz. And Lord knows I'm doing Marauder. All right. Number three for me. And I know this is on yours. So let's just say it.

We're going to do it together. Sure. Lowest of the low, terror. So here's the thing, man. Oh, come on. I don't, I've never in my life considered it an EP. I thought it was an EP until I became aware a while ago,

years ago that it was in fact in an EP. And the reason that I know that, and I know you're going to hate this, I had a 10-inch version of it. Sure. Hate a 10-inch. I know you do. But I had a European tenets.

It's 16 minutes long. Yeah, yeah. And I, Let me tell you, Beau. I didn't look up nothing and I know it's 16 minutes long. Very well, very well put. Nine tracks, 16 minutes. Perfect.

Oh my God. We've talked. It is EP or not? Yeah. It's one of the, it is like if I could be the best hardcore record ever. I think it is. I think it's legitimately dropping many suckers in this. Wow.

Like those are the, well, I'm saying EPs. But I think that like I think I think I get in on a technicality here. and I'm fine with that. It is fucking perfect. It is absolutely perfect. It is a genre-defining thing. It is a perfect collection of hardcore songs by arguably the best hardcore band to ever exist.

It's a genre-defining thing. It's kind of a city-defining thing. Oh, dude. Like a coastal-defining, you know what I mean? Like, we're talking. Because think about what California hardcore was before this. It was melodic punk. And like throw-down in strife.

Yeah. Well, that, yeah, I mean, yeah, exactly. And that's, I never identified with either of those as like, that's a my thing. That's your thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that. Terror is, like you said in the liner notes, recorded in the fucking valley. Yeah. Yeah.

That's, I could cry right now. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't think there's any argument for like the impact that they've had, the longevity that they've so wisely crafted for themselves. Yeah. You want to talk about road dogging? You want to talk about still going and still writing? There's a,

there's a song on every LP that could be argued is their best song. Ooh. Every time. I love it. It just keep doing it. It's the only one of my list written in all caps. Bridge 9 Records 34, the year of 2003. One year after the demo.

Think about that. Yeah, that's amazing. That's... Yeah. And that's, you know, Todd Jones has a thread in a lot of my favorite things. Yeah. Like, period. He is a hardcore songwriting God.

And this is when I fully became aware of him. Hmm. I was like, oh, that's that guy. like this is because he was in the line he's on the back yelling not into a mic which i thought was really fucking cool you know what i mean um and i obviously i've i found terror before buried alive or anything else that scott had done so it was my intro to like him and like that's a whole other conversation is like his fucking impact and what he's done so can't believe it i think it counts as an ep i'm taking it i you know whatever it is they're the best hardcore band ever

Whatever low is the low is. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. It's a perfect thing. Okay. Period. My number two.

Hate breed under the knife. Wow. Is this on your time? Is this in your top of? This was the last one. I was like, I know I don't have to write this down. I know it's going to be in his. I mean, again, these are life changing songs.

Period. I mean, we talked to Jamie. You heard that not one truth was the first song. It's just a thing you read in a museum. Yeah, yeah. That's pretty cool. I think I'll make a career out of it. And you know what's crazy?

The craziest thing about Heybreed, maybe, is the simplicity of some of the songs, but the, like, the brilliant simplicity in them in that nobody really has ever sounded like Heybreed. Like that they were the first to sound like that? Yeah. Yeah. Well, even to this day, I don't think, like, obviously you can be like, oh, this is influenced by Hey, breed. But you can't really sound like Heybred.

No. You can try. You can basically. But it just sounds wrong. You can just like reverse engineer their riffs. Yeah. And that's the only way. And that's the only way.

And then it'll be too on the nose. Like there is that. Yeah. I totally agree. True pioneers. I would argue that they're like the biggest hardcore band of all time until maybe turnstile. Yeah.

And for great reason, man. They engineered the band to be a successful entity. They like a Danzig. In the context of the band reinvent themselves with the times in a way that doesn't compromise the band. and what it sounds like entirely. Wow. Because they still, like you put on a new record on,

it sounds like Hey, Prie. Yeah. It'll sound like a modern interpretation of it with, you know, modern production and it's cleaner. Yeah. But it's still there because Jamie's writing is so Jamie's writing at the end of the day. I would say not to backtrack, but that also could be said for terror too.

Yeah. They're putting out a song. Because there's been different guys right now. Exactly. But Nick is the Nick is the steady thread. And dude, Nick is a legit like brilliant

hardcore punk musician. I mean, but putting out a song with corpse grinder. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just like like that kind of shit where it's like you can reinvent you can re-

re-display yourself almost. And then Heybreed, very similar to Tara too, doing tours that are kind of out there, kind of eclectic, kind of not in the normal wheelhouse that you would think. Right. But it works. Well, Heybreed can be

direct to support to anybody. To literally any band. They could be a direct support to the devil wears Prada, to I mean, to fucking bring me the horizon. Pantera. Yeah. Pantera. Yeah. And then they could bring anybody on tour and it makes sense. And they do

be bringing some crazy mixes of bands on tour that work. They're really, they're this like magical thread that binds all spectrums of extreme music. So, because like you said, Eric Rutan, listen to Perseverance for a year when it came out.

Yep. I guarantee you to bring me the Horizon motherfuckers spin kick to perseverance before. Here's my number two. And I'm, if you're down to your last one, this and this isn't it. I'm like truly shocked. But maybe it's because you're a later record guy of this band.

AFI, all hollows. So this is the one I didn't say earlier. Okay. Because I knew it would be on it. This is. I don't know if there is more of a second for second, more perfect collection of noise.

It's fucking crazy. It is perfect. Nitro records October 1999. Nitro records. That's the homey offspring, right? I believe so. Asshole. I was this the first did jade play on black sales

yeah he did play on black sales yeah okay so never mind he did right I'm looking at it now guitar yeah he did okay I'm just making sure I didn't want to say he was the first thing he played guitar on but but for me it's like the first like in black sales you can hear the like a fI chord the like It's kind of like a bar chord minor. Like you can hear it. This was the first time where it was like,

what if we take, we strum that chord and we write a whole EP, well, three songs with a cover based around each individual note like in that chord. Because every song kind of does it. There's a music video for Total Immortal where they just painted their practice space black and have pumpkins lit up and film it in black and white.

Davey looks fucking insane. Yeah. He looks like a. monster. The songs are perfect. The boy who destroyed the world might be my favorite song on the thing. Oh, wow. Interesting. It was on fucking Tony Hawk. Like, yeah.

They cover the misfits. They wear the misfits. They really took that. That's theirs. That's theirs. They wore their influence so hard on their sleeve on that. And it's such a love. And as we were talking about before, it's a perfect

little stepping stone to before art of drop or art of drama yeah it's like even from the artwork to the sound i don't know if it was recorded at the same time or not whatever it's a perfect use of what an ep is no 100% it's like hey this is by the way this is what we are now this is where we're going yeah uh and here's like a real perfect presentation of songs dude this thing's crazy this i feel like this maybe would have been in my top five had i not known it was one or two for you But man, finding this was another thing where I felt like I struck gold. It was like, this is a FI.

Yeah. Because I found it after hearing singing the song. Really? Because I heard singing the sorrow first. When it came out, it was what, 12, 13? It makes perfect sense. So I went back to this and it was like, damn, they're just like a fast punk band. But they're still doing these big sexy choruses.

Yeah. Also, I'm a sucker for So there's a The kind of a thin line between when the whoa basically Using a woe as like The part of the song is like we're building to this whoa Which can suck it can fall flat Can suck man it can it can be some

Pre-terror California bullshit you know Where I just don't care If I did it in this way that is like The word spooky has become so derogatory now. But I'm all about it. But I mean, yes, it's become derogatory. You know what you're getting into with the All Hallows EP. Came out October.

And the fact that they were able to keep that going for this whole little thing. Completely front to back, aesthetically, sonically, dude, this thing rocks. It is perfect. If all children, total immortal boy who destroyed the world, Halloween, the cover. Incredible. Samples in between each song.

Yeah. Weird, creepy, like, noise box shit and like thunderstorms. It's just like everything about it is perfect. I truly like, Chris Mills is a huge AFI guy. He got me into AFI and into the Misfits, which is like there's a domino.

So it's truly it's Chris, like I said, Chris and Tomlalong. Those are my old heads And I so I knew about before I knew about pre All Hallows you know

and then kind of discovered it shortly thereafter because I got into it probably 2000 I came out in October 99 so it's like right there It was a new record It was a relatively new record

Yeah And it just was immediate that was around the time, too, where you could find shit on Kazah or Limewire. Yeah. So four songs on Kazah, you know, might have taken you eight hours to download them. I mean, but you can listen to four fucking songs. Yeah.

And you're going to finish those four songs and be like, I got to hear those again. I'm learning them. I learned how to play fall for all children immediately. I learned how to play God called in sick today immediately, you know, when that record came out. Just that's one of my warm-up presses. It's a fun one. Yeah. Cool song.

I can't say enough about it. It's just perfect. Perfect. Yeah, I mean, they're one of the best bands, period. Period.

My number one, the best hardcore EP of all time. Oh. And I'm kind of saying this to, I don't know if this is subjective anymore. Okay. If it's not. I think this is the best hardcore.

Not under the knife. I'm very. Breakdown blackless. Perfect. Great. There was a point when I was talking about New York bands. I was like, fuck,

if we don't mention breakdown. It's number one. It's the best one ever. Yeah. Okay. Excellent. Again. Production.

Crazy. Songs. Lyrics. The motherfucker's singing about Big Macs, but he's watching a street fight eating a Big Mac. Think about me hearing that. Eating what? Yeah.

I was like, I spit out my Big Mac because I couldn't believe what he said. I don't think this is on streaming, right? I don't believe so. Dude, stop what you're doing. Stop listening to this.

Find a way to download it. What? It's on YouTube for sure. It's on YouTube for sure. Okay, look it up on YouTube, breakdown blacklisted, full LP, listen to the whole thing. Street Fight and Jail Depression.

Good God, dude. Two of the greatest hardcore songs ever written. But front to back, this entire record is sonic, hardcore perfection. The band's called Breakdown. Breakdown, dude. What else? Do you need more? Also, in the first song, Blacklisted, Title track. He says, Breakdown Blacklisted as an actual lyric in the song. That's fucking all I've ever wanted. That came out 97. Yeah. Pretty crazy that like, Division 1 champs 96.

Yeah. Wow. Eyeball records, 1997. That's fucking crazy. It is the best hardcore EP ever written, period. Outstanding. And a sentence. I don't think that that is an opinion.

I think it's a fact. Like if you define what an EP is and what it should be and what it could be. Yeah. And especially, if you're factoring in like production and the way it sounds sounds awesome it sounds modern yeah not in a shitty way you know bands would pay a lot of money to sound like that today straight up and they don't get it it don't happen don't do it because this is a magic thing this is mike de jean as best what did he go on to to be in crowd of well crown of thorns

was before this. Both Trainier Blues and Mentally Vex are before this. Mike Dijon. Yeah. Maybe, like, to me, in terms of what I've listed here, could possibly be the

hardcore riffer of all time. Wow. So, Mike Dijon, if you're listening, put that in your back pocket, take it with you. Hold it up with pride. Breakdown Blacklisted. The greatest hardcore EP.

of all time. I've got my number one. And I see a 12 inch. So this is only because the original is fucking a billion dollars. So I got a re-release that added another song. They bumped it up to a 12-inch. You today can't close my eyes to be surprise of no one. But here's what's cool about it.

It's 1985, which is fucking crazy. That's absolutely insane. That can't close my eyes. EP came out on positive force records. which was Kevin Second's record label. Wow. So they were huge. So there's a great story.

They were on tour together. I don't know if it was youth today yet or if it was if they were still violent children was like their first band. But they played a couple shows with seven seconds. The other guys in seven seconds like got high or whatever. And Kevin was, I don't think he ever called himself straight edge, but he was clean. Kevin Seconds is one of the funniest nicknames of all time. That's amazing.

And they were all bummed on that. And I'm going to fuck up which band it was, but he said, why don't you guys, Ray and Porcel, ride with me to the next show and they just listened to either a Misfits record that had just come out on tape

or some record together. They listened to it together and like drove together. And that's where they decided, let's put out a record together. kind of a thing. So this one is, it's kind of a comp. It's kind of like a collection of a bunch of their songs.

But like, you're not going to be able to see it because of my green screen. But Ray has a shirt on with just an X spray painted on his chest. 1985. So is this, this is considered an AP? Can't close my eyes? Can't close my eyes was an EP. This is like a repress that came out on Rev much later. that added extra songs to it,

but it's the original EP first. And it's got all the heavy hits. And it's just like, it was the beginning of what would go on to be all the shit that I love. So it's just, and I've said this before, it sounds, it's so fast and so fucking crazy sounding

that it's borderline power violence. And it's 85. And it's 85. It's got to do, do, do, that. It's got the shit I like. It's all about straight ed. It's got We Just Might on it. It's like everything that I love about that era.

That's Bo personified. All of it is on Can't Close My Eyes. I saw and just like a tie back into like one of my later things. I saw a mental cover can't close my eyes at like a last minute basement show. So it was like there was all this through, all this threading back to this shit. And there's X's all over this shit. It was it was made for me. Made.

Love that. He's wearing an SSD control shirt. It's just made for me. So that was, I mean, you now have, the listener have like 50 something EPs to seek out. This is going to be a crazy Spotify playlist if any of these songs. How are we going to do it? You know, we'll see if we even can. We'll do it we can.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was fun. I love doing stuff like this because it, I think it not only shows people shit to check out if they might not know it. But you and I have such different answers. we do I you know I definitely wish I knew just more information about all these things to share when I share them but if anything it's just it's just fuel for you to look it up and find some things to share with us because there's no hard there was no hard lore when we were kids we had to find all this shit ourselves it was bridge nine lore which was dark and seedy and dangerous

those are those are our picks for the best hardcore and, you know, et cetera, EPs of all time. I think we did about 20 each total. Yeah, because I, you know, we repeated some. Yeah. We both had some. So that makes sense. Yeah.

Still, there's a lot of shit. There's a lot. I listened to all of this to this day. Yeah. Dude. Some of it, admittedly, not in a minute, but like, fucking AFI terror. Yeah. And this is, this entire list was just me taking notes off the top of my head based on things I still listen to.

So, yeah. And I heard some of this when I was 10 years old. That's crazy. So this, this, if you're finding some of this today, it could stick with you for the rest of your life. I'm sure if you're an older guy, you're listening to this and you want to shoot us in the head. And that's fine. It's fine. But it's our show.

And we get to do what we want. I have a microphone. are our favorite depies of all time. Thank you so much for watching and for listening. We love you so much. Bye.