HardLore - PITY SEX with Dr. Britty Drake

Starting point is 00:00:00 When in that time do you find punk and hardcore and extreme music? It was right before I went to Juvie, in fact. The FBI personally escorted you to Juvie? Michigan State Police. Oh, wow. Pretty, I've known you for a minute. I'm learning things already. I had gotten into Christian Metalcore.

Starting point is 00:00:19 Of course. Step one. Oh, welcome. It's Hardlord time. How you doing, Bo? Doing very well. Colin, who do we have today? It's a great day to be on the show.

Starting point is 00:00:51 to be part of the show, really. It's a huge day. This is a big full circle moment, I would say. Yeah, I know what you mean. We are joined by one of my very best friends, period. Dr. Brittany Drake of Pity Sex. Wow. I got the full title. Welcome back. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I say back because you are one of our very first live interviews that we ever did. in person. That's right. I'm honored. That was a grueling day. Colin and I often talk about this, and you were right at the start. I remember. It was very early. So thank you for being kind of the guinea pig. I got you fresh. Yeah. Yeah, that was a really fun interview. It was 11 minutes long, so this is probably going to be around two hours and 11 minutes long. So we're going to really

Starting point is 00:01:40 crack into the nut of who Dr. Brittany Lee Drake is. In that interview, we jokingly refer to you as Dr. That's true. Drake. That's true. Now, Yeah. That's not a joke. Now it's a legal obligation. Well, you did say yet. You do say yet in that episode. So it's a little foreshadowing is there.

Starting point is 00:02:01 Yeah. How long was that experience for you? What experience? The grad school? So, well, I guess what I'll say is from getting expelled in ninth grade. 10th grade. 10th grade for threatening to kill my teacher with an ice gate on my space. To grad school and now being a.

Starting point is 00:02:21 legal doctor. Yes. It's a long time. A lot of work. I'm not doing that math. I can't. I simply can't. I think it was.

Starting point is 00:02:30 She's not a doctor. Or she's a doctor not a fucking calculator. Right. I think it was over 15 years. Wow. Of schooling. Yeah. So much.

Starting point is 00:02:39 I didn't do school right though. I went to community college for four years. Right. And you did like a band. Yeah. In between. A few bands. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:47 Right. Which we'll get into. Can't wait. Well, congrats. Thank you. If I ever need my head shrunk, I'm coming to you. Probably not a good idea, but I'm not legally not able to treat you. But I would refer you to somebody really good.

Starting point is 00:03:02 What, did we, did you, did you diagnose us? You too? Yeah. I don't think I have. Could you? Can you, please? I'm dying to know. I'm thinking narcissistic personality disorder.

Starting point is 00:03:14 Perhaps. Both of us? No, no, no. I think. Give it, shoot me straight. I don't know. I can't be given my professional opinion. We'll call it unprofessional.

Starting point is 00:03:29 I'll pay you $245. No, you're both very sane. Okay, cool. You heard it here. But I do wonder, like, you know. Speaking of sane, did you ever make up with that teacher or who you threatened to kill? I actually, speaking of podcasts,

Starting point is 00:03:45 I was considering doing a podcast where I, like, did a long, kind of like, the story would be about, forgiveness. Wow. But I didn't get there myself. Like episode one was with that teacher, maybe? Yeah, I was thinking, like, kind of talking about the justice system. It's not very funny to talk about, so I don't know how much I want to talk about it.

Starting point is 00:04:08 I got you. You know, talking about the justice system and then going into, like, an episode about forgiveness or something. I don't think I'm going to do it. I had a professor who was my speech professor when I went to community college, and you couldn't miss your speech no matter what. I had my appendix taken out. and I emailed her to say, hey, like, I'm in the hospital.

Starting point is 00:04:27 Can I please? And she said, if you miss it, you miss it. And it's a letter grade for every speech you miss. So I obviously hated her. I went, I did the speech, and I left class immediately. Found out that following winter, she got to a skiing accident and broke both of her legs. So that's justice, I would say. I mean, mine got cancer.

Starting point is 00:04:45 You can use that on the podcast if you want. Oh. Which part? Oh, the part of both, really. The broken legs. Yeah, no, mine got cancer. So. Did she pass? No, she's alive.

Starting point is 00:04:56 She's alive. Yeah, but I mean, I know that because I was looking her up, which I hope that she doesn't read into that. No, no, she won't. I mean, how would you not? Yeah. The FBI came. I know. Yeah, no, I know. I know. I don't want to repeat that. Exactly. FBI, if you're watching. It was on Myspace? It was on Myspace. Yeah. Like a bulletin? No, it was a comment, a MySpace comment that said, geez, I can't wait to kill Miss. let's cut out her name with ice skates.

Starting point is 00:05:27 It was topical at the time. I got you. Sure. Listen, we've all had a terrible teacher that made our time in hell so much, that much worse. Yeah. Maybe we all wanted to hypothetically kill them at some point. But we live and we learn and we grow. And some of us become doctors.

Starting point is 00:05:44 So dope. So dope. So how in that time, when in that time, do you find punk and hardcore and Extreme music. Well, because you're from Michigan, right? I am, yes. Near Lansing. Oh, I told you I was on MySpace.

Starting point is 00:06:03 So clearly I had already kind of like, you know, did my little foray. It was right before I went to Juvie, in fact, that I kind of got into that, that world. Additional fact. Yep. I've known you for a minute. I'm learning things already. We are seven minutes in. I'm learning.

Starting point is 00:06:22 Well, it's actually not that interesting because it's a part of the same story. Right. So. The FBI personally escorted you to Juvie? Michigan State Police. Oh, wow. That's cool. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:35 Holy moor. Yeah. So it was right before that I had gotten into Christian Metal Corps. Of course. Step one. Were you a Christian person? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:47 I'm from Michigan. Like, I'm from the middle. So while Christian. Mm-hmm. While into Christian metalcore, you thought to yourself, I've got to kill this bitch. Okay. We need to do some like straightening up with the facts that like it was a joke, you know, and it wasn't even intended to be taken seriously.

Starting point is 00:07:09 Sure. It was a joke. It was an inside joke, if you will. And like she should have known like, oh, Brady's actually Christian so she can't possibly mean this. It said it in my bio. Oh. Like. She loves figure.

Starting point is 00:07:21 Therefore, she couldn't have possibly meant this. That was actually the first thing I was going to ask. Did you fuck with figure four? I absolutely did. And in fact, any time I read an article, like a paper or something that has figures in it, you know, they list them as like see figure one. Yeah. Whenever I see figure four, I immediately think.

Starting point is 00:07:41 State of mind. Yeah, totally. Beautiful. Yeah. So Christian Metalcore is step one. Step one. When do you start playing guitar? Oh, I.

Starting point is 00:07:51 I mean, I had a guitar when I was in high school. Okay. I took like one or two lessons, said, this is really hard, and I didn't really have the motivation. And then when I was, I was probably 20, maybe 90, probably 20, actually. I joined a band and I wanted to be able to, I just didn't want to be like a standalone. Okay. You know? You wanted to be, you don't want to have a band.

Starting point is 00:08:19 You don't want to be a solo rock star. Meaning like I didn't know what I didn't want to be in front of people without like, you know, a barrier, an instrument. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that so you're self-taught? I wouldn't call. I mean, yes, and I had somebody who was in the band with me who taught me all of this. But that person never told you what the frets or dots meant? No.

Starting point is 00:08:43 No, I still don't know. I know. I still don't know. Which is impressive. So you just know you put your finger here. Yeah. So when Mike is telling you the riff is 357. That means nothing.

Starting point is 00:08:56 I don't know why you're not saying, I don't know why you're not saying first dot, second dot, third dot. Oh, my God. That's awesome. Oh, wow. Okay. That's how I'm thinking about it. So in your quest to become a doctor, is any of that, like, do you go straight, do you go straight to mental doctor or are you thinking physical doctor at any point? Neither.

Starting point is 00:09:20 Medical. No, I just started college and I was like, I don't really know what I want to do, but this class is easy. So you're, your... Well, any psychology class, I'm relatively speaking compared to other. We all have brains. We all have brains. Yeah. Well, and not only that, just I think the concepts are pretty, they're pretty easily attainable.

Starting point is 00:09:43 But I was doing English first. And then I was like, but this, you never really come to a resolution with English. There's, yeah, there's a lot of, like, overlap between... And it changes every day. There's new words. And can you... Can't keep up. Speaking of words, can you...

Starting point is 00:09:58 Can you clarify for me, what is psychologist versus psychiatrist? Which one can... Yeah. No, go ahead, finish. No, you know exactly what I'm going to have. Because she wants to hear what you say. I did read your mind. That's right.

Starting point is 00:10:11 So, a psychologist is... Cannot prescribe medication. So a psychiatrist is somebody who goes to med school. And then after that, does a residency within the specialty field of psychiatry so that they understand like the pharmacological side of thing. Which is what you did? No. You did the other. I did psychology.

Starting point is 00:10:35 Psychology. Which has nothing to do with prescriptions or medications, although you spent a lot of time talking to psychiatrists about medications, but you're not prescribing them. You can't give advice on them. you can just say, refer to your psychiatrist. Is it true that an oncologist is not a doctor who is on call? That is true. That is true. I don't believe it. I know you're a doctor.

Starting point is 00:11:01 Language is. That's ridiculous. Why did you choose one versus the other? Were you drawn to the non-medication side? Or is there? It was no choice. I'm not going to med school. I'm just not going to med school.

Starting point is 00:11:15 So I just fell into psychology. I was like, this is a major. that I probably, I have the credits for. Again, didn't do college right. I went in after four years at community college, which is a lot, you're supposed to do two. Right. And then I did another four years of undergraduate, which is supposed to be, I did double of what you need to do. Too much.

Starting point is 00:11:40 Because I just wasn't doing it. You know, I just didn't know what I was doing. But you did it. Yeah, don't feel bad. I did a year and a half of community college, you know, and here I am. Here he is. So are there pivotal, other than the MySpace has to lead to physically being part of it. Are there pivotal shows and moments you remember of finding this community?

Starting point is 00:12:02 Tell me about him. Yeah. First show ever, X looking forward X. Wow. At a venue called Skeletones. I wish I knew who else played. Would you say? Scary.

Starting point is 00:12:16 Skeletones. It was horrifying. It was a Christian venue. Ah, contradictory. And it, uh... They were the bones of Christ in these skeletons. Exactly. It was, like, a coffee shop, too.

Starting point is 00:12:34 Um, I also saw seventh star there a couple of times, so... Likely? Yes. Um... What colors were your hair at this time? Oh, I never did colored hair. Oh, you had some white. wild shapes though. Oh yeah, no, the shapes were wild. I have some photos. Here, here they are.

Starting point is 00:12:53 Oh, no. We've got, we've got Skinbird Bridie. Okay. We've got bike punk britty. We've got Swoop Bridie. Yeah. Yeah. And this is other pretty. I hope you all enjoyed those. I can't wait. I can't wait to see what they are. You're going to love them. Okay. So when do you, when do you find, like, community in this, like, who are the people? Yeah, yeah. So there was this, this one girl that went to, so I went to, high school with not many people, right? So in fact, I just saw somebody at LDB. Because you didn't go to high school for very long at all. No, no, right? Actually, so I was, yeah, I guess that's true. I was homeschooled, so I was my only person, my class for a while. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah. But, but no, there was this one guy that was at LDB, actually, that I haven't seen in, I'm going to say,

Starting point is 00:13:40 20 years. Wow. Who was like really into Norma Jean and like introduced me to that. And so I like met him and this other girl named Hera who I don't think she's she's like a cheer mom now. Okay. But that we like sort of and Jacob Weston who people is like still in the scene. We all like sort of got into that that's. stuff together. And then I, my mom would drive us to Grand Rapids, which had an actual scene.

Starting point is 00:14:17 Totally. And that's where Skeletones was. So on the weekends, we would go, you know, go together, see a show and I was on house arrest technically. So my mom would have to stay in the car at the venue. God bless her. As like a way to get around the house. So I was allowed to leave if my parents were with me. So my mom would come to every show. And either like stay in the car. And either like, stay in the car or she would like work at the skeletons like coffee spot like there was a place to sit down and she would just do her work there while we hung out I know that's incredible person do you do you want to talk about your mom your your late beloved mother yeah I mean well she's the reason I was able to like you know go to all these things and I think yeah anybody who

Starting point is 00:15:03 knew her and like was a part of being driven around by her she was always the mom she wasn't the that was like, I'll drop you off if the other parent can come pick you up. She was always like, oh, no, I'll both drive you and pick you up because she wanted to, like, get to know my, get to know my friends and stuff. Totally. So I was really lucky like that. But yeah, so she would, like, come to these shows. She got to, like, see all the bands.

Starting point is 00:15:29 She was, like, cool with the fact that they were angry. Okay. Huge. In fact, I one time, because I wasn't allowed on the internet either. that was part of my So let me just start with what I was like What the send you know They're going to ask yeah

Starting point is 00:15:45 It's I know it's confusing so Part of this interruption We got to talk to you about something Extremely important Are you in a band Do you tour Do you do merch Do you TM

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Starting point is 00:17:27 Do it. Can you see it? Can you, can you even see it? First went to Jubey. Because you have to. For this post? For the MySpace post.

Starting point is 00:17:41 Are you fucking serious? Yeah, I know. It's wild. That's so extreme. It's so extreme. Holy shit. It makes no sense. I've been to a lot of therapy about this too.

Starting point is 00:17:50 Did they diagnose you? Were you talking into a mirror? Were you just face to face with a mirror? No, I can't help myself. I'm too unwell. I went, so I went in the middle of the night. This is literally middle of the night. They came and arrested me at my house.

Starting point is 00:18:05 Like, I was sleeping. And then my mom's like, Britt, the cops are here. I like to see you. Who ratted you out? I actually do know who it is, but I'm not going to drop names. But someone ratted you. Yes, yes.

Starting point is 00:18:20 It was somebody. Yeah, I know. And I'm sure she regrets it now. Yeah, for sure, for sure. So I'm not going to, I don't think she's going to be listening to this either. You never know. Whoa. We were number six in Australia last week, okay?

Starting point is 00:18:34 She could be vacationing. Exactly. So it's middle of the night. Mom taps on the door. Yeah, she's like, Brad, the cops are here to see you. And so. The stormtroopers are here in Dusseldorf, Michigan.

Starting point is 00:18:48 Yeah. Yes. So they printed out the MySpace comment, which I think is just so funny. Just like they slide. So we're at the dining room table and they like slide it across the table. Like, did you write this? And I'm like, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:19:04 I really don't know. because at the time, like, we were writing a lot of MySpace comments. That's what we were doing with our time. So, and I had been sick from school, and I was just on MySpace that entire day. So I was like, I don't know, maybe, like it looks like I did. That's my. That sounds like some shit, I would say. So they slide it across the table and they're like, okay, well, do you have ice skates?

Starting point is 00:19:26 My mom played hockey. So we did. Yeah. So it was a, you know, it didn't look good for me. Now, why? Let me ask you, though, why did you choose ice skates? Okay, so like I said, it was topical. Her husband, the teacher's husband,

Starting point is 00:19:40 was like a hockey referee or something. And she just talked about it all the time. And at some point, I had, like, made a reference to, like, we, you know, should kill her with ice skates or something, you know. And then went home and later on I was like, can't we get to kill her with ice cream. So you're doing a, like, callback bit in the comments. It was a bit.

Starting point is 00:20:01 Aha. The cops were like. It's a bit much for the FBI. For the Michigan State Police. Right. Yes. For Officer Schneider. What's her name?

Starting point is 00:20:12 That is German. It means cutter. Like a tailor. I don't know what you're trying to say right now, but I'm with you. I'm saying it's like the Gestapo, like Collins comment. Exactly. Fair. Okay.

Starting point is 00:20:24 So then they're like, well, you're going to be coming with us tonight. And I was like, are you fucking for real? Like, I couldn't believe it at the time. So I was like, okay, I'm just going to go and I'm not going to put up a fight. I was too tired. They like made, they handcuffed me and like put me in the back of the car. And then I get to the juvenile detention center and they're like, you know, do the whole intake process, drug screening, all this stuff. You're like, okay.

Starting point is 00:20:52 You're like 16? 15. Oh my God. Yeah. And then they're, they go, okay, like have a good sleep for a couple of hours. And then we're going to wake you up in the morning and you have to have. to like go to gym class basically. Did you have a private room?

Starting point is 00:21:10 Yeah, I had a private room, but like the day room was shared. So like you get a private cell and then there's like a day room where and it's co-ed too, which is really interesting. Yeah. So is this like a scared straight kind of thing? Like are they trying to make it set an example? So scared straight in the sense that like they were trying to scare other people straight. they were like, we're going to fuck you.

Starting point is 00:21:36 And you're like, you're going to like, I mean, I'll get into it. But they were like, I think there's some more context to what they were thinking. I think they actually thought that I might be violent. They were like, did you see she has that hair? Like, you know, kind of like. Skin bird. Yeah, I didn't have that yet. Violent.

Starting point is 00:21:56 But. But, yes. Yeah. They were like, she's kind of goss. And, you know, the Columbine. Yeah. was fresh, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:05 I'm not that. Yeah, we're not that. Well, no, no, but I mean, it was fresh for 10 years. That's real. It's still, like, it was still, yeah. It is, it pales in comparison to modern tragedies that we see every other month. And yet it was the benchmark, it was the societal benchmark for school shootings. Yes.

Starting point is 00:22:21 And acts of public violence. And you're right. Ice skates to school, you know, like, we really ought to nip this in the bud type thing. Yeah. So I'm there. I'm in Juvie. I say I went to Juvie, it was like, I hadn't even been charged. yet for like two weeks. So I was just like sitting there. And I know. So I just sit there.

Starting point is 00:22:40 There's reasons for it that I won't get into because this will be like fully. I could do three hours. This is why I got to start my own podcast on this. So that happens. And then I get finally get released on house arrest and I'm not allowed to use the internet and I'm not allowed to leave my house. That lasts for like a year of can you imagine not using the internet for a year? Not when my. Space like mattered. You know, like, that was, I remember those times. They would be like, oh, Brady actually can't talk, look at what my messages and comments and friend requests say.

Starting point is 00:23:14 Yeah. Right. Sorry, Brady. It was awful. It was truly awful. Yeah. Also being a 15 year old where that is so important and also I wasn't allowed to go to school anymore.

Starting point is 00:23:25 So like, just lost all my friends. Wow. I'm not allowed to leave my house and you're telling me I can't communicate with them. Also, I wasn't allowed on like aim. Yeah. Which was how people communicated. It's not like I could text people. You're pariah.

Starting point is 00:23:37 This is showing my age. I couldn't text people. Nobody could. Yeah. This was when you had to be like, do you have texting? Yeah. And if someone did, you were like, oh, your parents are rich. Straight up.

Starting point is 00:23:47 Okay. I guess I'll text you after 8 p.m. Yes. When they're free, yeah, you're right. Yes. What year was this then, Brittany, when you were 15? No, no, I don't remember. Well, it would have been 2004 or five.

Starting point is 00:24:03 Okay. I think five. When would you have graduated high school? Like 2007. Okay. So I'm just a year older than you. Yeah. So we're right around.

Starting point is 00:24:12 Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's the same. We're locked in. I remember getting a phone with texting and it was huge. It was huge. Wow. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:20 This is crazy. I never knew all this. Yeah. Well, there's more. So that happens. And then, of course, I found a way to use the internet. Teens are sneaky and they're smart. We're going to get it done.

Starting point is 00:24:32 How'd you do it? How'd you do it? All day. So I found the, this is crazy, too, to think about that we used to have, like, a chip that had our internet. Like, it wasn't part of the computer. So you could, like, remove the internet chip. Like a land card. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. That's what it was. Yeah. And so I found, I spent so much time doing nothing because I was on house arrest and I didn't have school. Like, I was, like, homeschooled, but, like, barely. So I just had time where I would just go through my, my parents' stuff. I don't know why. Like, thinking back on that. What else are you going to do? Yeah, what else are you going to do straight up? No, I had nothing. I'm just like, I'm going to look through their bedroom and, like, find, go through their belongings, which I think they actually

Starting point is 00:25:16 knew I would do every once in a while. It's not like they were really hiding stuff, but I found it. And at that point, I was like, okay, dad gets home at five. So I have until five o'clock to be on the internet. And then my probation officer actually, like, this is weird. She looked up my AOL, like, instant messenger name, which I wish I could remember. Yeah. Was it something fun? I don't remember. I'm sure it was like.

Starting point is 00:25:43 Pretty rar. Something like that. Yeah. I'm sure. Mine was Fender Bender 360. That is dumb. You don't have a car. No, fender, dude.

Starting point is 00:25:53 I'm a shredder. Oh, Fender Bender. You fucking pose. Dude, double on top. Genius. I understood, but I was an English major. You were. Probation officer.

Starting point is 00:26:03 Yes. Okay. So she finds that I'm on A Will Instant Messaging. At the time, though, I was actually on it on my phone. Like, I had it on my phone. Sidekick? Yeah, I didn't have a sidekick. I wasn't that, you know. I had the sidekick like three years too late. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody was on Razor. I was still sidekicking. But sidekick had AIM that worked really well. Yeah, it was fucking lit. If you think about it, that's the precursor to eye messages. It's interesting. Sorry. No, it is. No, it totally is. But I didn't have that. I had this other phone. that like I could access it. So when she was like, I know that you're on the internet, I was like, oh, no, she caught me. But if I had just been like, no, I wasn't and then waited for her to tell me what she had on me, which was that she like found my AOL and some messaging name and like it showed me as available. I could have just been like, oh, that's on my phone. And actually, you didn't say that I couldn't be on AOL and some messaging. But of course, 15 year old, you don't really know.

Starting point is 00:26:59 Yeah. I did it. I'm guilty. So then my punishment was I had to go to military-style boot camp. Oh, my fucking God. I know. Like Cadet Kelly? Yeah, no, exactly like Cadet Kelly.

Starting point is 00:27:15 This is unreal. I know. What was your favorite part of military boot camp? What do you think? There was not, I mean, nothing is the answer. There was absolutely nothing. How long was it? It was, I wasn't there that long.

Starting point is 00:27:32 It was like a week. What were the rations like? The rash, I don't even remember. How many pull-ups could you do by the end? That's what's wild. Okay. It's like we were doing push-ups, sit-ups, pull-ups constantly. Like, from the moment, I slept for maybe two hours a night.

Starting point is 00:27:48 Oh, my God. Like, it was really, it was like, I think abusive. I think it was abuse. For sure. I think it's abusive. And they also made us repeat these phrases of like, you know, these really, I think, stigmatizing and untrue and like illogical statements of like what's the definition of insanity and then you have to say doing the same thing over and over without with expecting different results

Starting point is 00:28:13 and like you had to like say it every time they would ask it to you or else you'd get in trouble enough to do pushups and sit ups and all this I know and of course like my initial reaction was like I'm not doing any of that yeah I'm going to prove to you like I deserve to go home by being like exactly the type of kid that that should be supposed to be there according to them. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I did though that we had to go around in a circle and say what we did to be there

Starting point is 00:28:38 and they were like, you're lying. We don't believe you. What? Well, because I was like, this, I know it sounds crazy, but I made a Myspace comment and then I used the internet. Like, it did sound crazy. It is. No, it is crazy. It's insane. That is crazy.

Starting point is 00:28:54 Right. Because the thing is, like, you could be writing in your journal the same thing. Yeah. That's what I said. How was that any different? Yes, I said that. I was like, you're looking at my journal.

Starting point is 00:29:07 And they're like, I mean, the hard part about this is they were adults. Obviously, this is ironic coming as adult now, but I'm like, they didn't understand the technology. It's like if I was trying to explain to somebody like, I'm going to use like Discord as an example. I do understand Discord just for the record, but like not like the way that the team. do. Yeah, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:29:30 Sure. They were like, you're emailing your teacher that you're going to kill her. Obviously, I wasn't doing it. No, I'm not idiot. I'm posting it as a joke

Starting point is 00:29:37 amongst only friends. Exactly, but they didn't know. But the other side of that is now when active shooters commit their atrocities, they look back at their discord. And a lot of the time, they're like, hey, guys,

Starting point is 00:29:53 I'm planning to commit an atrocity tomorrow. Yeah. And it's like written on the wall for months, This is clearly not the same thing, but you were the start of like the consequences to getting talking crazy online. I guess. Yeah. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:30:10 The charge was conspiracy to commit assault. No, I think it was like murder at one point. Holy shit. Like conspiracy to commit murder with a computer. Can you go to Canada? Yeah, no. So this is all like fun. She was 16.

Starting point is 00:30:27 Yeah, she was underage. Yeah, and I was actually never Convicted. I was charged, but I was never convicted. It never even went to trial. They were like, you know what? Oopsies, we misunderstood. But like it was after a year of me waiting on house arrest.

Starting point is 00:30:45 And they took a, you know, and then not being able to go to high school anymore because you can't go if you are on house arrest. When you got caught with the internet thing, did that add to your probation period at all? Yeah. Oh, my God. dude.

Starting point is 00:30:58 So stupid. This is grueling. This is legit like Shawshank. I am stupid. You're Brittany Dufrain. Do you understand me or am I being too obtuse? See, I've actually only seen that movie once. I'm so sorry.

Starting point is 00:31:14 Do you remember the scene where he's out in the rain and he's free with his incredible wingspan? No, but you also have an incredible wing span. Relevant to my interest. I can't do it right now. Climb through a mile of shit and came out clean the other end. Her wings. My wingspan is seven feet tall easily. It's at least six.

Starting point is 00:31:32 My wingspan is several inches wider than my height. We've talked about this. Yeah, we have. Yes, we have. Yes. It's fucked up. It is fucked up. Would you guys be part of the one guerrilla team or the 100 people team?

Starting point is 00:31:44 Dude, a gorilla is destroying 100 dudes. Oh, no, I agree. I didn't want to get into that. It was a wingspan thing. I think I'm not allowed to be there. It's supposed to be men. It's men, yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:56 You, we, yeah, you don't, they're, the gorilla would protect you. Right, I'm on the guerrilla side, I think. Yeah, that's true. So you, so you're out of military boot camp. You're in Grand Rapids on the weekends. Yeah. Tell me about your circle and ground. I want to hear your introduction to friends of the show, Alec Faber and Dominic Vargas.

Starting point is 00:32:16 Yes. Yeah. So I met Alec outside of Skeletones. Beautiful. I was wearing a Hay Mercedes hoodie. Mm-hmm. which is like an emo band, you know, for lack of a better way to describe it. And the singer's other band is called braid, which is important context.

Starting point is 00:32:36 Braith is sick. Yeah, yeah. You know. Oh, yeah. You're from Chicago. You know. Okay. So I was wearing a hey Mercedes hoodie and he goes, hey Mercedes, braid is better and just walked away.

Starting point is 00:32:45 I'll show him. How about a size jeans did he have on? He actually had jeans that he had drawn the back pockets. on with a Sharpie because they didn't come with pockets. Those are well documented. Yeah. Wow. Wow.

Starting point is 00:33:02 What about Dom Vargas? How do you made Dom Vargas? Dom, I think, okay, so he was friends with this girl that I sort of tangentially knew. Same thing, skeletons. Like, saw him around skeleton, saw him with her. I think we just became MySpace friends. And we had, like, met in person passing, became MySpace friends. And then honestly, I wish I could ask him.

Starting point is 00:33:26 I don't remember. I guarantee you he remembers. Yeah, I'm, like, not remembering the full origin. We just, like, went to the same show, you know? Yeah. So it was like, hey, are you going on your show? And he had a really cool MySpace profile, right? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:39 Donnybrook. Wow. Yeah, Domybrook. Yeah, that's what it was. What a catch-22 that fucking MySpace is. Either meet friends for life or you go to fucking military boot camp. Or both. Or both.

Starting point is 00:33:51 Yeah. How long, Bridie, have you been vegan tradeage? Man. Um, I actually somebody asked me this the other night. Um, I don't know the full, like, I didn't have like a date. Sure. And I also just want to clarify, I separate the two personally. They are, they are separate, but you happen to be both.

Starting point is 00:34:12 Yeah, I do happen to be both. But if I, if you were to ask me which one I care about more, I'd say vegan. Like, sure. That one is primary to me. That seems to be the case with most vegan straight-edge people, which is interesting. Do you think Mike agrees now? For sure. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:27 Wow. Well, and it makes it because Stradage is so... Musical. It is so tied to the music, to the hardcore community. No, it totally is. It totally. I mean, that's his origin. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:39 So, but like... Okay. Okay. I don't know. I just separate them because one is like a, I don't know. I actually don't have a great reason. One is like sincerely more morality based. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:50 And also one is individualistic more or less. And the other is more communal and for the earth or whatever. So I get it. I get it. I get it. Exactly. So you've been both for a very long time? Yeah, I mean, I think, I know I was vegan at 19. Oh, wow. I'm not doing that math. But I think it's young.

Starting point is 00:35:10 Yeah. But I was a vegetarian since I was a literal child. Okay. So that wasn't hard for the, I mean, I've been a vegetarian so, or haven't had meat in so long that I don't crave it at all. Gotcha. And so vegan was like a lot less of a, of a, of a, leap for me and it has become it's just awesome. You don't even think about it. I don't even think about it. Did they have good vegetarian food

Starting point is 00:35:33 and juvie? They did actually. Really? Yeah I mean to yeah they so they did have to like get me because it's Michigan. They did have to like get me something special like driven in pasta in order and they

Starting point is 00:35:49 thankfully they did. Wow. They also gave me a peanut butter and jelly one time though like you know there was like it was give and take. Not that I don't like He had a bread and jelly, but I think it was grape jelly. And I just refused. I'm not eating that. Oh, I love grape jelly.

Starting point is 00:36:02 Me too. Yeah, me too. Can you tell me about the first dog you ever had? Yes, but I don't know if it's the one you're thinking of. No, I just mean in general. Like your relationship with the... Bridie is a devout dog mother. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:18 Savior of senior dogs. Probably the greatest animal caretaker I've ever met in my life. Wow. Tell me where that started. Well, I actually, it started with a cat. I like cats. I just happened to marry someone who's allergic. You really did.

Starting point is 00:36:34 Yeah. And it's like, truly, it is a testament to my love for him that I made it work. And his love for me because he, yeah, he stuck with me through cats. Sure. He really did. Yeah. Dude, they make, there's hypoallergenic dogs. They got to make some fucking hypolylogenic cats.

Starting point is 00:36:53 They exist. The hairless ones? Yeah. And there's, I don't think. they're cute. I would totally have one. I just wouldn't buy a cat. Yeah, they're expensive. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't, like, do that to Mike.

Starting point is 00:37:05 Because, like, even, just, this is not, I'm not doing that to him. I would say he would probably, maybe still be a little bit anxious about that. He'd be very... He has he has this cat, like, radar. Yeah. Like, you wouldn't believe. Like, the house in El Paso where the shows are.

Starting point is 00:37:21 Yep. We walked in, like, he was in there for less than a second and was like, oh, no, no, there's a cat here and it lives here. I probably can't play. No, no, it's chill. Like, it's cool. I just, I just don't think I can play. It's a great impression.

Starting point is 00:37:32 It's a really good impression. It's a really good impression. No, no, like, dude, like, you're sick as fuck, but like, I don't think I can play the show. Like, for real. And they're like, no, the cat hasn't been here for a while and he's like, dude. He's coughing immediately. He's like, dude, the cat is for sure here right now. And that happened all the time.

Starting point is 00:37:50 And he's always right. So, yeah. No, it's true. Like, he can, and it affects him for, for days. Yeah. And weeks sometimes after an interaction with a cat. So I wouldn't do that to him, but I do love cat. So my first cat, her name was Sassy.

Starting point is 00:38:07 Was it named after the Homeward Bound cat? Yes, it was. Of course it was. Yeah. Perfect. She was not very kind of a cat. Like she wasn't affectionate at all, did not want attention. But I loved her all the same.

Starting point is 00:38:22 And then we got a dog named Smeagle. named after the former Housbner. Named after the dog from Homer Pound? Yes, after Lord of the Rings. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Speaking of Lord of the Rings.

Starting point is 00:38:42 Yeah. I'm actually not a big fan. No, but I'm just about movies in general. When would you say you decided that your favorite genre was slick modern thriller? Yeah. Can you define?

Starting point is 00:38:55 I don't know. Can you give me an example of a slick modern thriller? Oh, she'll, oh, she's got, could you tell me your top four slick modern thrillers? Please. I can. I can. I've been thinking about it deeply because I thought this might come up. So it's, the first one is obviously taken.

Starting point is 00:39:12 Obviously. The movie taken. Slick, modern. Thrilling. Thrilling, yeah. I'm going to go, it's between the next couple I'm deciding between the other takens. But I think. Holy shit.

Starting point is 00:39:27 Just for some variety. Pandorum. Have you ever heard of that? Wow, yeah. I love that movie. That is slick. It's slick. It's modern.

Starting point is 00:39:40 It's not. I mean, it's got some thrill, but it's also got some sci-fi. Yeah, yeah. Which I think it needs a little sci-fi. I really love, like, you know, just a... Here you go. Okay. So I had two other that I was thinking of.

Starting point is 00:39:54 And I just, you know what? I can't remember them. Would minority report be a slick modern? Yes. Okay, great. I don't know if it's modern, but I love it. That's a slick futuristic thriller. Okay, futuristic.

Starting point is 00:40:05 Okay. Interesting. I would say. I love that movie. Dude, there's an interesting thing where he walks through a door in it and it is the iPhone charging noise and it came out years before the iPhone. Well, they for sure stole it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:18 Crazy. That is so cool. I didn't know that. I love Tom Cruise too. Oh. The king of movies. The king of movies. anything with Tom Cruise.

Starting point is 00:40:27 Momentum. Momentum. That's a very slick modern thriller. Momentum. Maybe get some mixed crossover. Momento. I don't know. Well, I did do some research right before this when I searched Slick Modern Thriller.

Starting point is 00:40:46 And that one came up. Is this an actual genre that I'm just finding out about? It's British favorite genre. But it's like a real one. It's not something you made up. I've only heard her say it. Very well. Okay.

Starting point is 00:40:57 Say no more. Yeah. I feel like I have to give you a fourth one that isn't like taken two. I'm going to go with taken two though. Okay. That's fair. Because I just don't feel like keeping thinking about it. I will say the first like 10 minutes of taken two were incredible.

Starting point is 00:41:14 Yeah. And then. I was thrilled in a slick modern way. And then the rest of the movie happened. But that first 10 minutes. I don't, you know, I'm to be real with you. I like this genre because I don't have to pay attention. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:41:30 But I could tell you what happens in Pandora. I believe you. I know another movie you could tell me what happens in. Dumb and dumber. Yeah. Yes. That would be, though, that doesn't count. No, that's not a slick modern thriller, but I do like your idea of recreating the entire

Starting point is 00:41:46 movie with your friends. For my birthday, I wanted you. I want everyone to... Scene for scene? Scene for scene, but I want you to do it. do it. Like, commit. That without script, though.

Starting point is 00:41:59 I want you to do it from me. Oh, perfect. Like I want everyone to... Can I be the bartender? Absolutely. She gets dinner here. That's all I want to be. I just want to be that guy.

Starting point is 00:42:09 What the hell is that supposed to mean? That's all I love. Are you Lloyd and is Mike Carey? I want to watch. You know? Oh, I see. You don't want to be in it. Okay.

Starting point is 00:42:18 No, I just want to watch. And people can, like... Do you have any casting decisions in mind? No. because this is the thing you can choose. You've got one. Oh yeah. You're right.

Starting point is 00:42:27 You're right. Have one. I want everyone, though, to be willing to like trade, you know? So you don't have to. That's fun. Because it's not fair. Like it's always sunny how they switch when they do their fake movies, when they do the lethal weapon, whatever. Dude, you got to pick the perfect person to yell.

Starting point is 00:42:44 He's got a gun. I was thinking that plus kick his ass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait. Okay, I like that idea. When was the first time you ever sang Unbreak

Starting point is 00:42:58 My Heart by Tony Braxton at karaoke? Oh, man. I think it, well, I love that. I mean, obviously, you know I love that song. My dad was a huge, or is a huge Tony Braxton fan. So I sang that every day in the car. Like. Every day.

Starting point is 00:43:17 I'm not kidding. I've heard you do it. You're really good at it. I won't ask you to do it now. But just trust me. It's unbelievable. Yeah. But at karaoke, I think that might have been my first one.

Starting point is 00:43:28 No way. Oh, I would have expected you to have been doing it your entire life. I was singing in my whole life. I just wasn't doing it at karaoke. I was damn near in tears. Yeah. Is it true that you're like super into puddle of mud right now? I am.

Starting point is 00:43:40 How did you know that? That's just what I've heard. Wait, how did you know that? Don't worry about it. Don't ask. They always ask and they never know. I'm really, because I've listened to that on my way here. Wow.

Starting point is 00:43:51 Yeah. You're just super into puddle. of mud. You know what Paula Mud song I like is the one. I know what you are doing. The one about his kid? I think you're, are you talking about blurry? You could take it all away. Yeah, that blurry. That's a good third. That's number one all-time banger. That's a good track. It's not my number one. So let's get the, so on your, next time you do karaoke, I want to hear on break my heart. I want your fast car again, duet. I can't do it. It's too sad. I'll crush it for you. Don't worry. I guess. Okay. Tell me about, Bridie. I guess we'll talk about music a little bit more.

Starting point is 00:44:28 Tell me about your first band ever. It was Procession. Yeah, it was a, yeah, that's the band I learned to play guitar for. Damn, that's a good band name for our first band. One of my favorite band names of all times of all times. That's a good band. Really? We should bring it back.

Starting point is 00:44:41 That's dope. Let's go. Yeah. I'm in. Okay. You heard it here, folks. It's exclusive. Tell me about Procession.

Starting point is 00:44:48 Tell me about, was your first tour with Procession? It was, yeah. Tell me about it. Okay, I don't know if I remember the first tour. I actually, Dom and I had, like, Dom came on the tour. Okay. I heard Dom came a few ways on the tour. Okay.

Starting point is 00:45:05 I knew you were going to run with that. Yeah. That's why I finished. Well, I think he famously had a wet dream on the tour, right? No. It's well documented. Wait, I don't think I know that story. It is now well documented.

Starting point is 00:45:21 But cool, how was the tour? Okay. Tell us more I think it was I think it was kind of terrible Honestly Well it should be Yeah it was your

Starting point is 00:45:32 You know first tour Well the band itself Was the shoe gaze band And I fucking looked out Because it was with this bassist Whose favorite band is Primus So that tells you something So he rips

Starting point is 00:45:47 He fucking rips He plays A shoegaze of Yes He plays a five string, too. Epic. So you understand. He loves new metal.

Starting point is 00:45:58 Sure. Shugays with a primus guy. Oh, yeah. No, he, but he... My worst nightmare, for real. He really, he held it down. Like, a lot of those songs are like very bass-driven. And then this guitar player, songwriter, too, named Graham, who is, like, Johnny

Starting point is 00:46:21 Marr. incarnated. It's just like incredibly talented. I don't know that I can I can be in procession. This is this big shoes to fill. What were you planning on doing in it? Whatever you want, Tambo. Okay, got it. I always thought we could use some keys. I'll learn. I'd love to play keys in a band. Kid me? Yeah. Yeah. I was supposed to play keys at first. And then I was like, this is not, I don't know. Give me a key tar or something. You know, like, it just needed something a little bit more rocking. Sure. So then Graham taught me how to play the songs.

Starting point is 00:46:57 And that's why I learned. Without frets, which is unbelievable. Without, he. Well, it's very chord heavy. So I learned like C, you know. Okay. Okay, that makes some sense. But you're better than me.

Starting point is 00:47:09 Just what it is. No, no. Because I struggle with power chords. I mean, I don't struggle with power chords anymore, but like I struggle with quick, up, down, up, like, I struggle with that. Did you struggle with that? Did you struggle with power chords when you recorded a cover of Autumn's monologue by From Autumn to Ashes? Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:47:27 Yes. Yes. Yes. But who didn't cover that song? Me. I think Bo and I didn't. But of the Britty community? Yes, yes.

Starting point is 00:47:38 Everybody was doing it. I remember Feta, you know? I definitely remember them. Fata. Yeah. But I wasn't a fan, I don't think. Let me ask some, Bridie. did procession

Starting point is 00:47:52 ever just hop on tours why might you be asking that somebody somebody you knew in your life was famous for that britty dated the singer of bear trap whose legendary gimmick was and they listeners of the show bear trap

Starting point is 00:48:11 bear trap if you're listening how you doing brittie's here they've just jumped on tours and shows all the time by just telling the promoter they were on them. That's how I met him. Mikey. Are you serious?

Starting point is 00:48:26 Yeah, at my show. Or like at my house. So, I mean, they were really good at it. I have booked one show in my entire life that was all me. I booked it at the punk house in Chicago, the Albion House, for Bear Trap. You booked a show for them. I booked a show for them. I mean, that's the first ever.

Starting point is 00:48:45 It was a pretty good lineup. And I was able to give them $300 bucks cash in, like, early. Holy, gee, the house is pretty sick. That's dope. And they stayed at my place. Who, yeah, who else? That's how I met him too. Yeah, he stayed at our house.

Starting point is 00:48:56 Yeah, it was at my house. I can't believe that's how he won you over. He jumped out of the show and jumped into your heart. How long did you guys date? Like a year, I think, maybe a little longer. Okay. It was my longest relationship at that time. Holy shit.

Starting point is 00:49:13 Was he still doing his one pair of pants gimmick at the time? Oh, yeah. Yes. I mean, he was in kind of like a cross punk era. I think he still is. I don't think we want to call it an era. Sure. I think he's crushed at heart.

Starting point is 00:49:26 But yes, he was definitely doing that. He would like stay with me for long periods of time and did not need to bring clothes. Did he ever try to hop into any of your other relationships? What do you mean by that? Just seems like something they would do. I mean, he did hop into procession. He ended up playing drums for us for a while. There you go.

Starting point is 00:49:49 Yeah. Tell me about your hesitance to stay at hotels that you would call covered in hair. Okay. This is, so I have learned that I have OCD. And I didn't know that. Who diagnosed you? It was my therapist, actually. Okay.

Starting point is 00:50:05 All right. Just keeping it kosher here. I'm just making sure. So when you're talking to the therapist, you're like, yeah, this is good. I'm having a good time. Just keep that hair on your goddamn head, lady. He's bald. Oh, perfect.

Starting point is 00:50:17 So wait. No, I, so I didn't realize it. I now understand it. But, like, OCD is really, it's a hard diagnosis because it's so misrepresented. And it's not just about contamination and cleanliness. Mine is not like that, like, a lot of the time. But, like, dust is really hard for me. Hair is really hard.

Starting point is 00:50:39 Like, human hair, animal hair? Animal? Does not bother me for any reason. No kidding. No, I don't. I mean, it depends. that if it's like, if it's overwhelming, that would be really bothersome to me. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:52 But yeah, I do have like some of the cleanliness contamination challenge. Do you analyze every room you go into for those things? For dust, yes. Okay. Yes. Do you take your, do you take your shoes off when you get home? You don't know. I actually don't, but I have a robo rock.

Starting point is 00:51:10 That is very interesting. I mean, to be fair, I will like, I mean, it depends. It depends. We have, though, a rubber. We have a lot of rubber in our house and, like, on the floor. Yeah, for the dogs, yeah. Because of mobility stuff. So, like, I, we mop a lot.

Starting point is 00:51:27 So that doesn't, like, bother me so much. But if it's on a soft object, it's really bothersome to me. So please tell me about this hotel. I love, I'd love to hear about this. I just, who did you talk? Do you talk to Dom? Covered in hair. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:51:42 That's very interesting. Please, go on. No, well, so it's, it's. It's just that I didn't know this at the time, but I was just like, I just must be a brat, which there's probably some veracity to that as well. But I was like, everybody else is cool, like, staying at these, like, shitty hotels or, like, staying at people's disgusting houses. And I was just like, I can't do it.

Starting point is 00:52:05 Like, it's so hard for me. I won't sleep. I'm, like, just sitting like this the whole time, like, white knuckles, like, really. Because of the hair on the dust. Like, even thinking about it right now, I'm having... Okay. No, no, no, it's okay. I'm surviving, but, like, that just gives you an indication.

Starting point is 00:52:21 So, we would go, like, I was just like, we have to get a nicer hotel. So what's here? Give me, like, give me, like, the chain that would be... That you wouldn't even look at. I mean, like, obviously, like a motel 6 or something. But even, like, a red roof in, I'm like... Dude, red roof, what's funny is in the early years of touring, Red Roof was like, oh, we're getting red roof tonight.

Starting point is 00:52:41 Same. And pretty, red roof, pet friendly. I know. I've stayed at a red roof for that reason. But now, now I shan't be out of red roof. It's over. Yeah. But now, I've got a, I have a Hilton credit card for that reason. Oh, okay. I mean, if you can't sleep, it's justified. It's true. It's true. But now I recognize why. My old therapist was like, it's because your mom had cancer. And I'm like, because hair, she was like trying to, she was doing too much.

Starting point is 00:53:10 Like, it definitely wasn't because of that. It was because I have OCD. And it just went undiagnosed. until I was in my 30s. Gotcha. Well, good to know. See, I'm glad we got that cleared up. Yeah, so I'm not a brat. I just have OCD, and that is...

Starting point is 00:53:24 That is a medical fact. We hear you. We're listening. Thank you. How long was procession of band? We're kind of still a band. I mean, we never broke up, but... But it's not a big, active part of your life.

Starting point is 00:53:38 No, but it should be because I'm supposed to record vocals for over 10 years now. Awesome. Coming soon. New procession. No, for real. They're like I really, Taylor is supposed to do it. Oh, you better get it.

Starting point is 00:53:52 I'll, we'll talk about it. Yeah, yeah. I need to, I need to, yeah, I got to get on that. So how does Pity Sex start? Mm-hmm. And how do you come up with that name? Yeah, I always wanted to ask. Okay.

Starting point is 00:54:04 It's following you for the rest of your life. I know, I did not come up with a name. That's even worse. It's, I know. I know. This, so I wasn't in the band. originally. They were a band already. I booked their old band. They were in a hardcore band. Called.

Starting point is 00:54:19 Called Dyer Wolf. Oh. From Ann Arbor-ish. Okay. Yeah. Pity Sex is billed everywhere as Ann Arbor. Ann Arbor, yeah. Was that where the metal frat was? Yes. Yeah. Incredible place. Great place. A lot of hair.

Starting point is 00:54:37 A lot of hair. Yes, but I didn't have to sleep in it. I did. A lot of hair. Yes. I never had to sleep there. Disgusting. A little disgusting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Grateful for the hospitality. Covered in her. Covered. But very fun. Yeah. One of my favorite places. We would practice there. That was like a practice spot back then. I think we only played there twice, but it was awesome. Really? Loved it. Yeah. Had the best time ever since. From Chicago, I feel like you would have played there more.

Starting point is 00:55:05 I know, but. Okay. I played there more than twice. That's crazy. I knew that because I saw you there. Was it the one where Mike the guy from Cold His Life was in the back watching like this the whole time? You know, I don't remember. It was so sick. But I definitely saw you multiple times. And there was one time where... Chino Noir, he's known as now.

Starting point is 00:55:27 Yeah. Mike was... I know I, like, overlapped with Mike a couple of times there, but I didn't meet him. Gotcha. So, what was the question? It was, in a matter of five. Pity sex. How did it start?

Starting point is 00:55:39 It was Dyer Wolf into Pity Sex. Dyer Wolf. And then they were like... Like, we want to do like an emo band is what they were going for initially. Okay. And then they wrote this demo, I guess, is what it would be. So the Pity Sex demo, you're not on. I'm not on it.

Starting point is 00:55:55 No. Wow. And it's four songs. It's a split with this band called Brave Bird, who's, I think, a really great band. Okay. Good name. And I think it holds up. I think the, like, singer is really talented.

Starting point is 00:56:11 So they did that and I was like, I'm a fan of this. And I'm also, I had just transferred to the university there. So I was moving there. And they were like, we like shoegaze. So let's like try to infuse some of that. But also like it made sense that I was moving there. We were all moving in together. So they were like.

Starting point is 00:56:31 Were they procession heads? Oh, yeah. Like we, I mean, I think so. I don't know. Maybe I asked them. They were big fans. I think they liked it. You know?

Starting point is 00:56:39 Yeah, clearly. Yeah. So they were like, do you want to just join? At that point, it was already named. I thought the name was a joke. I thought it was like a placeholder. Wow. We're going to call it Pity Sex, like a joke.

Starting point is 00:56:52 It was actually their friend who also lives in Los Angeles now, John Hine, who came up with the name. And I don't know the full story. I think he just said, you should call it Pity Sex. And they were like, that's great. Let's do it. But I know it's not like the most exciting story. That's the origin. recall the first time anyone ever referred to you as Bridie sex?

Starting point is 00:57:12 I don't recall the first time, but I do recall several instances. Were you like, oh, fuck? Yeah. That's going to happen, huh? I wasn't, like, thrilled about it. Yeah. It didn't, like, it wasn't, like, bummed about it, but I was like, hmm, it's not my vibe. I mean, Freddie Madball, Brady Sex, you know?

Starting point is 00:57:30 Yeah. Pretty cool. Did you get, have you ever gotten, like, a border patrol or something? Like, what's the name of the band? Have you gotten that? Yes, but we usually lie. Yeah. What do you say? That's what I would do too.

Starting point is 00:57:41 I'm trying to remember what we would say. I feel like we would say Bravebird. I think that was the vibe. So you guys don't, like you've never once at TSA, been like, we are called pity sex. I am the singer and I'm a woman. No, I don't, I mean, maybe. I'm sure we, when we had to go like.

Starting point is 00:57:58 I'll start using pity bird. Okay, there we go. I'm going to use the clowns. Oh, that's our classic. I know. You just did it to me. I did. Switching tongues and God's hate have always been the clowns at an air.

Starting point is 00:58:08 Really? We were throwdown for a while, but then a TSA guy was like, I fucking love throwdown. Oh, no. You guys are all different guys. What's up with that? And we were like, oh, you know, things shit happens. But the clowns, the clowns has been our go-to. That's pretty good callback, Brittany.

Starting point is 00:58:25 Yeah, it's a provocative name, huh? I'm sure it's kind of gotten you some attention that you didn't want. Maybe. I don't know. I'm cool with some attention. I think it sets you apart. It does. That's true.

Starting point is 00:58:38 Tell me about, is dark world? Is that your first record with pity sex? Yeah. Many bangers on there. Thank you. I know you had to learn some of them because somebody. I did. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:51 In doing that, I learned that Coca-Cola is one of the greatest. What genre would you say pity sexes? I wish I had an answer. Coca-Cola is one of the greatest pity sex genre songs ever written. I appreciate that. Whenever I see you guys now, I am. Top of my lungs. I love that song.

Starting point is 00:59:10 I think it's a really good song. Great song. Yeah. Great soda. Yeah. I mean, I love that it's about pop. A true Great Lakes native right there. Who writes this?

Starting point is 00:59:21 Is this a collaborative writing experience? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Brennan is a mastermind, especially on that record. Like, I came in with a lot of the songs, like the structure was already there, or there was a lot of ideas happening. like by the time I had come in because I had moved mid-writing.

Starting point is 00:59:43 And then at that point, it was like, okay, so I'm going to teach you some of the songs and then you have to write, obviously, your parts. And then we ended up actually changing quite a few things, like afterward, just through like we're practicing together and like I was listening to a lot of were at the time. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:04 We're apparently uncanceled. Yeah, they're back. They're fully back. No shit. So I was listening to... They're killing it. Yeah, they're simply killing it. And so I was like, let's try to get more of the, like, you know, some more like driving parts and stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:00:19 But overall, I mean, I think a lot of the bones are like what they were already. Just like kind of filling in some other vibes. And were you always playing guitar and singing? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at that point, I knew how to play guitar. guitar enough that I was like able to even in procession I had written several songs like you know got I would never say I like wrote the full song completely and then was like here it is presented to

Starting point is 01:00:53 everybody like I got feedback and I was able to say like you know this is what I think you mean it became collaborative yeah yeah but I would like come with with basically what I have and then get some feedback By the time I was working with pity sex, it was sort of like that, but also, like, such a different vibe than procession. I mean, it feels that way now. I don't actually think it was that different in terms of the genre. But it was a lot of, like, building around what was already there at first, since there were already bones there. And that was different for me because usually Graham would write, like, a full song and just say, like, this is the song.

Starting point is 01:01:32 He would even, he would write, I mean, everything, like, leads, rhythm, like, all. of it and just say like this is the song and that was new for me to like he's not in the band anymore no graham was in procession yeah yeah yeah yeah gotcha but then yeah for pity sex Brennan had a lot of I mean basically a scaffold for yeah that would have been dark world yeah so he would have had like a lot of the scaffolding already there and then we would just come in and either add stuff change stuff like makes it you know some suggestions but and you you're playing typically is it a Jazzmaster or a Mustang? It's a Jazz Master. Were you always playing that? I had. Because when I think PitySex, and I think if you guys playing, that's what I see is you

Starting point is 01:02:16 with a Jazzmaster. Yeah, yeah. I had that guitar. I mean, I had another one before that. That was, I mean, I had actually a strat at some point, but when I was like 15, that was like my one that my mom got me when I was 15. And then I had an epiphone, Les Paul, that I got from eBay for, for a while. Do you remember the strat that your mom got you? Yeah. It was like, I mean, I don't remember all of the specs. Was it a Fender or a Squire? It was a Fender. Nice. So is that, is that something that you would like to have back at some point? Yeah, let's find it. Okay. Let's find it. What happened to it? I don't remember, honestly. I know. I wish I did. I feel like I left it at my parents' house and then I just never, it just wasn't. We're going to find it. This episode,

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Starting point is 01:04:58 Tell me, so what's the goal of PitySex at first? You kind of, like, you signed for run for cover, a very real label with a lot of very real bands. You're doing splits with adventures. You got LPs coming. Are you, you're in university at this time. Yes. Yeah. So like, you're doing that while this very real band is starting.

Starting point is 01:05:22 What's the goal? What's that conversation like? I don't think we ever had a conversation. I think we were like, that's kind of fun. Yeah, like, it was never serious. I think it was like sort of, we all. knew that it might be. We all wanted to do it, but we didn't want to do it, you know, like.

Starting point is 01:05:42 But you unfortunately made sick music. And a lot of cool opportunities come with that. That, but we turned down a lot of really cool opportunity. Like a lot. Not this sounds like I'm like, you know. No, it's true. We had to turn down a lot of opportunities because I was like, sorry, I'm going to be in school at that time.

Starting point is 01:06:01 Yeah. Like, you're going to eat. university like you have to yeah they wanted you though you know yeah i mean i think about it sometimes i'm like damn what would have been like if we had done that tour or something because there was like some really especially when we were first signed like you know baby band status i think things change when you're like no longer the like blog darlings yeah i mean i i i didn't know you personally for a long time but i was very familiar with the band and it was very much so like pittiesex the next big thing.

Starting point is 01:06:31 Yeah. Isn't their name insane? Mm-hmm. They're on the rise. I would pick such a thing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what our goal was.

Starting point is 01:06:42 We literally were just like, let's just do what we can do. Yeah. And let's have some fun. See how this goes. And then ultimately, I mean, we all just had to like make decisions on what we couldn't, couldn't do. Sure. But I don't think there's ever a discussion.

Starting point is 01:07:01 where we were like, yeah, let's like. At least one tour, a spring break, blah, blah, blah, kind of thing, yeah. We did do that where I was like, this is when my spring break is. And so, like, we could do it during that time. So what's the first Pity Sex tour? That's a good question.

Starting point is 01:07:18 I think it was with Brave Bird. Okay. And I think it was in Chicago. We went to Chicago and Minneapolis. Like, that's how far we went and then we went home. Is there a full U.S. tour that PityS. did early that comes to mind that would maybe have any anecdotes from? Yes, definitely.

Starting point is 01:07:34 We did. Any stories from tour, if you would. I mean, gosh, okay. We love it. I wasn't prepared for this question. Yeah, I mean, certainly there's so many. I mean, where do we begin? One of my favorites.

Starting point is 01:07:51 I don't know. They're all about Brennan. Okay. You know I didn't like Brennan at first? He has that effect on people. He's so. He's so lovable. I love him now.

Starting point is 01:08:03 I love Brennan. I like him. I'm like a Brennan stand, but people do not get him when they first meet him. You know? Like, you just got to get him. Last time I saw him, he was wearing some shirt that I was like, that's a cool shirt. And he was like, yeah, I thought it looked like shit. So I bought it, which in that moment was like, yeah, you did.

Starting point is 01:08:29 He's also a screen printer, so I feel like he has like some, like he's like really in the screen printing world. So he was like, this is a terrible print job. I feel like he might, yeah, he might have been like dropping some, yeah, some like knowledge there. So there's more, see, uncracked egg, this bread. But he is. He is an enigma in every sense of the word. Okay. He, I mean, all of my stories are about him, I think.

Starting point is 01:08:55 Hit me. Well, I can remember one time we went to, You know that when you play Scranton, everyone goes to that pizza place? Yeah. Yeah. Angelos? No. That's in Wilkeshire.

Starting point is 01:09:08 Wait, no, that might actually be it. Oh, okay. I don't remember. I mean, you would, we would play Scranton and then go to Wilkeshire. Yeah. It's probably Angeles. Okay, no, then I think that's the place with a sweet sauce. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:20 Right? Okay. I just remember, so we drive over there. And for some reason, Brandon got it in his head that we were like going to sleep somewhere and not going to a pizza place. So we all got out of the van and, like, go up to the pizza place. And then Brennan follows a little bit later, carrying his, like, sleeping pad, like, fully blown up. His fully blown up.

Starting point is 01:09:44 And then his sleeping bag and, like, his backpack and everything. And he walks in, like, what is this? Like, not realizing that we're at a pizza place. And it's very small. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. There's four tables. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:58 It was incredibly cumbersome for him to walk in with all of that gear, like camping gear. That's a good story. They laughing out of the room? Yes. Yes. I mean, we did. Yeah. We certainly did.

Starting point is 01:10:10 Let me see. I mean, that's the first one that comes to mind. That's a good one. Sidebar. You like that sweet sauce pizza? I love sweet sauce. Me too. I worship it.

Starting point is 01:10:22 It's light. You can eat so much. I know. There's a Prince Street here does a has the sunset square. called. Do they have a sweet sauce? Nearly identical. Fantastic. I do like Prince Street, but I don't like the sweet sauce. From there, you've had it? I have, but, you know, without cheese. Uh, I mean, that's a personal problem, brother. Yeah. Skill issue. So, 100%. I'm just realizing, so you went to Angelo's and were obviously vegan, do they have vegan cheese there? I can't

Starting point is 01:10:51 remember what we did. I think we, do B-Y-O-C? No, we wouldn't have had a lot. We don't have. that on tour. I can see them having like Daya at the time. I don't know, man. I don't think they did. I think we just did it without cheese because all of us were vegan. Holy moly. Brutal. All of Pity sex was vegan.

Starting point is 01:11:12 Did Pity sex ever go to Europe? We actually never did Europe. We did the UK. Oh. And I actually found that to be really challenging. Like just the UK. Yeah. To be challenging. It was different then too. Yeah. Yeah. It's like

Starting point is 01:11:27 Unbelievable now. Greg's has vegan sausage rolls and shit. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This was back in the day. So we never did mainland Europe.

Starting point is 01:11:39 Partly because of that. Like, no things. Yeah. Yeah. Just we were like, I'm not, you know, that like I'm not trying to be uncomfortable kind of thing. Sure. Even though tour was so profoundly. I think the vegan aspect would have been really easy for you there.

Starting point is 01:11:54 In Europe? Yeah. In Western Europe. Yeah. plastic bag full of watermelon. I can tell you all about that, brother. I know. I'm not joking when we played Lichtenstein and in the morning we got breakfast and it was a bag of sliced oranges.

Starting point is 01:12:10 Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. I forget that you weren't on the watermelon tour. What's the watermelon tour? It was the 2015 when it was the last one we ever did where we stayed with a guy and he said, we have made you breakfast. And it was a bag of sliced watermelon. I wonder if they were the same guys.

Starting point is 01:12:27 That did not make it to the band. I wonder if they were the same guys. Probably. Probably. Yeah. We fucking wrapped scallions, dude. Jeez, that's crazy. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:12:39 Well, you would have loved it. I do like watermelon. But if it was in a bag, I would have absolutely had a hard time. Because of potential hair. Yes, exactly. And I've, yeah, I have hard time with people cooking for me, too. Really? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:12:50 Yeah. If I got to see the kitchen first, I need to know what we're working with. Wow. Does that include restaurants? No, restaurants? It depends. I mean, if I get into the restaurant and it looks dirty from the outside, yes. Like, if I can, I'm like, this, we're not cleaning regularly, then I might have a harder time. It's, but it's not, it depends. Was it challenging at first to have Mike cook for you? No. Because he's the best at it. No, because he is good at it. Yeah. I've seen him complete actual miracle. in times of crisis?

Starting point is 01:13:27 He actually, our first time where we spent time together because we were not spending time long distance was at, what's that Richmond Fest? United Blood, yeah, thank you. Where I was where we had like a little kitchenette there and he made me like an Italian dish in this tiny little kitchenette. Yeah, it was very impressive.

Starting point is 01:13:53 He's done the same thing for me, so don't feel too much. Bridie, but I was impressed. How does it feel walking into like a salon or a barbershop? That is not as bothersome to me because... It's supposed to be. You're expecting it. It's not just that,

Starting point is 01:14:07 but also they like clean it up quickly and it's like chopped up pieces of hair, not like from the root. So length is what does it, huh? Length and girth. Yeah. It often does. So Feast of Love, the debut LP from PitySex.

Starting point is 01:14:24 Tell me about putting this record together. This is the first, is this your first LP as a musician? No. Or was there a procession? Percession there, I think there's technically an LP. But as a writer? Yeah. I mean, I wrote some songs on that on the procession one.

Starting point is 01:14:40 But yes. Let's just go with yes. Okay, sure. It's from my first. I mean, it was my first one where it was like legit recorded by somebody who, you know, Dark World was recorded at the metal frat. Right. I mean, it sounds.

Starting point is 01:14:54 like it in the coolest way. Yeah, no, I love the vibe. And Chris from Bravebird is the one who recorded it. Awesome. Is it live? No, we did record, like, we recorded things. Okay, it's awesome. Dark World, what a record.

Starting point is 01:15:09 Feast of Love, what a record. Tell me about putting it together. Are there any musical contributions that you look at fondly now and be like, damn, I did a really good job on that stuff? Yeah, yeah. It's hard to talk about this without seeming. This is what it's all about. This is your day.

Starting point is 01:15:25 No, no. It's hard. I mean, Hollow Body, I was really proud of because I don't write songs like that ever. It's the only song I've ever written that I'm like, it's, you know, that vibe. And when I say that vibe, I mean it's, you know, not just strumming, you know? I was really proud of that. I was proud of the lyrics and everything. I think I did a really good job with particularly the vocals on Keep.

Starting point is 01:15:51 which like I listened back and I'm like where did I like how did I think of that? Who is she? That's not me. I wouldn't have done that. There's so much like soul there. I have that thought a lot now. About yourself. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:04 Like where the fuck? Where is that person? Where did he go? Yeah. How did he think of that? Exactly. She did good. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:13 No, I'm like really proud of it. I'm like, damn. I really did that with that. You can see why pity sex was blog darling next big thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's, it's, I get, I do, I appreciate that. What about touring on Feast's Bluff?

Starting point is 01:16:29 That was, I mean, that was, that was really cool. I'm trying to think of what that was, because our first U.S. would have been the one that we had just put out Dark World. And that was all self-booked. Another fun fact from that tour, I actually didn't go on the first part of that tour. Who said? For personal reasons. Oh, okay. No, it's, well, I'll tell you, it's just sad.

Starting point is 01:16:53 It was like my mom died and it was like, I have to go to my mom's funeral so I can't go on this tour. Brennan sang, and that was okay at the, I mean, we only had like one song that I sang on, so it was fine. But then, so Feast of Love. Oh, wait, no, I do want to tell that one story. Did you guys ever play Midland, Texas? Yeah. That house with Title Fight? I don't know if it's a house.

Starting point is 01:17:21 It's like a venue, I think, technically. Midland. Played a venue. Is it called the matchbox? I don't remember what it's called. I bet it's called the matchbox. I know what you're talking about. I played there on the minus Soul Search,

Starting point is 01:17:34 switching times tour. Yes. And I think I saw that tour at the metal for it. You for sure did. Okay, cool. That was the first time I played there. Yes. Amazing.

Starting point is 01:17:41 That's when I met Tim Butcher, too. Yes. And he, can I just, I, this is a positive thing, I promise. But he goes, Husker Do, what's your favorite song? He was totally doing a name three songs to me because I was wearing a Husker Do shirt, which I now think is, you know,

Starting point is 01:17:58 I think that memory fondly. At the time I didn't clock it as being rude, I was just like, oh, it's green eye. Like I, now I'm like, oh, that was what he was doing there. Sure. Okay, back to Midland, Texas. This venue, I wasn't there for this, thank fucking God. Because they slept there.

Starting point is 01:18:17 Oh, no. And apparently there were ants crawling in their faces. It was so hot. It was, you know, in the middle of the summer, you know. But they, like, slept there, and it was apparently the most miserable night. And then the next day, they had a show where they showed up. And it was so sketchy that they just left. They just immediately bailed.

Starting point is 01:18:35 In Texas? I think it was in Texas. I know, Ben. Midland is. So it's got to be fucking El Paso or something. Or, like, Denton or, I don't know. I'm just naming cities from Texas. Shout out Texas.

Starting point is 01:18:47 Yeah, Texas rocks. Shout out Midland, Lubbick, Denton. Had great shows there. I loved it, but I missed those ones, and I'm grateful I wasn't there for those. Do you know that your Wikipedia says that you toured with Big Sean? Does it say that? It does. Did you write that one?

Starting point is 01:19:04 I have to imagine it's Brennan doing a bit. No. He, he, Big Sean? Yeah. Who? It says, it says Adventures, Big Sean, basement. Tiger's job it's gotta be

Starting point is 01:19:22 Brandon and it's so funny if it is but he would not do that he would not do that another name that matches yours who did tour with Big Sean in some way you click on that there's no other pity sex for one

Starting point is 01:19:36 and then you click on that Big Sean I misunderstood that it was the pity sex Wikipedia I thought she had a Wikipedia oh yeah no do I can you look it up I don't think you do sorry can someone fix that not yet Let's fix it. Neither is, Bo.

Starting point is 01:19:50 I think Carver's Way does, though. Yeah. Pretty cool. Yeah. Pretty cool. So you toured with Big Sean. How was that? I'm not.

Starting point is 01:19:59 I actually am like, did we? I think we might, who knows? Maybe. Maybe a fest or something? Maybe a fest? Maybe, yeah, like, maybe we overlapped. I don't know. We did some weird shit.

Starting point is 01:20:10 What did you do? I don't, I mean, I just, I clearly don't recollect a lot of our tours. Sure. But we did some weird shit. Okay. There was some weird tours. Tell me about it. I mean, I'm trying.

Starting point is 01:20:21 I'm trying. You're doing great. I'm trying. The Feast of Love Tour, which is why I started talking about the Midland Show. The Feast of Love Tour, who was it with? Do you know? No. We weren't out of it.

Starting point is 01:20:34 Our Wikipedia doesn't say? I was with Big Sean. Pity Sex, Big Sean, Feast of Love. I was just thinking the other day how helpful a discogs for tours or, like, merch would be. Setlist. com has tours on. But like how in depth is that, though? Isn't that like more major bands?

Starting point is 01:20:52 You know what I mean? We're on there. You're on there. Pitysex and Midland is for sure on there. Interesting. I guarantee you. So then look up PitySex Big Sean live on the air right now. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:02 Fine. Setlist. Outfm shows no results for Pity sex Big Sean. Also shows no results for Pity sex Midland. So they couldn't fuck with you. No, that was real. I don't know. We played Midland after.

Starting point is 01:21:13 That's what I'm saying. It's not comprehensive enough. I don't know. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. We need a tour boxed. Yeah. But tell me about the Feast of Love Tour.

Starting point is 01:21:22 Any just specific stories or memories that come to work? I wish I remembered it. Good tour, though. Good shows. Yeah. I mean, I had so much fun. And I was like, this is dope. Like, I want to do this more.

Starting point is 01:21:37 Oh. I really enjoyed. There was this one show we played in St. Louis where, so on the tour, there were three women. total. And the world is a beautiful place as has as many band members as are words in their fans name. Right? That's about 15. Yes. Literally they had a cellist. Really? Yeah. Is that what you? Yeah, no, that's 100. You crushed it.

Starting point is 01:22:05 Is that 14? Jesus. Yeah. No, there was a lot. So actually, wait, there were four women because the cellist was a woman. And so we get to this one venue in St. Louis and as we're walking in, you know, he gives everybody their like band passes and then we get to the first woman. And he goes, what do you do in the band? And she's like, it was Carly. She's like, I'm, you know, a photographer and I'm like, you know, I'm on the tour package, like, kind of afraid of what the reaction is going to be. And he's like, okay, I just want to make

Starting point is 01:22:45 sure you were actually in the, like, with. the band, implying that she was just trying to, like, get in for free or something. I don't know. Still happens. I see it happen to this day. Of course. Happens to the very next woman, too. And then, I don't know if I was the last one, but, like, essentially, it gets to me, I've seen this happen twice. You're going super saying in the band. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I was like, I'm sorry, what do you do? And he's like, I mean, I'm like, the door guy. I was like, oh, so you're just the door guy. Okay, got it. Like, you don't need. to be, you don't need to be questioning us anymore.

Starting point is 01:23:20 And eventually the world is, they are the headliner. So I'm, you know, kind of making waves a little bit. Like, you want to be a little careful. But they, during their set, call him out and are like the sexist door guy, like, fuck you. There's no room for people like you in music. Like, I mean, he had really, he had really given us a hard time. It was valid.

Starting point is 01:23:42 It was totally valid. Well, it's just like, read the room, brother. If everybody's loving in, I think you can assume they're fucking there. It's very clear when you've let 14 men through and then you stop, the only people you ask the question are the, like, it's obvious what you're doing. And he got fired that night. Wow. Look at that.

Starting point is 01:24:02 I mean, I don't usually, like, I don't usually celebrate other people losing their jobs, but this dude sucked. Like, that was a, I think that was a positive. So that was a big event. Yeah, I think it was a positive. Wow. Hopefully he doesn't. do that again? Yeah, I mean, he won't be able to because he lost to. No, I mean, I'm sure he found

Starting point is 01:24:22 another job, but I'm saying hopefully. I don't know. We'll never know. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe he gave up. So you accidentally dated someone on this tour. You dated somebody else. I'm sure you dated other people. Did you watch Titanic with them? Um, yes, I did. Because you won't watch Titanic with Mike. I won't. Why is that? Why is that? Because every time I've watched Titanic with somebody, we broke up. Wow, beautiful. Yeah, beautiful. Don't do that. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:50 But he really wants to watch it with you. We can survive. I'm no longer scared. I'm no longer scared. Oh, good. We can survive Titanic. Mike, get the Apple TV ready. The ship is a beautiful place and you're no longer afraid to watch Titanic.

Starting point is 01:25:07 You did a ceremony tour in 2015. Yeah, that was really fucking cool. Tell me about it. Ceremony is one of my favorite bands. One of the greats. Incredible band. Um, yeah, like one of the first times I ever came to California was to see them. There, yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:24 So that was like life-changing experience for me. Um, it was with Tony Molina. That's a crazy tour. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how I met Madison for the first time too. Madison Woodward? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:37 Madison, yes, was with Tony Molina. Awesome. Yeah, it was, it was so fun. Um, Mike was on the tour too. Uh-huh. So that made it extra. fun. Wow.

Starting point is 01:25:49 What? It's a great tour. It was real fun. Did Anthony ever ask you crazy hypothetical questions? I feel like, you know, my recollection is I actually didn't talk to Anthony that much. I remember talking to... Diva to diva, I can tell you. That's a third diva to this group.

Starting point is 01:26:15 Since then, I feel like, yes, that is happening. He's asked you. Yes, I've gotten the hyposite. That's the best. But I feel like, you know, when you're touring and I don't know, I just feel like we didn't spend. I was with Mike, Mike and I were very early in our relationship. We went to the aquarium.

Starting point is 01:26:32 Like, we were like, we just got to the plate. We're going to the aquarium together. We'll be back, you know, so we didn't like said. This is really like the beginning of. Yeah. Yeah. The Cesario Drake household. So I was like, you know.

Starting point is 01:26:44 10 years ago. 10 years ago. I know. So wild. Time flies so beautiful. Yeah. So that was fun, though. But also all of them, incredibly nice, cool people.

Starting point is 01:26:58 That was amazing. But you were in honeymoon phase. Yeah, relationship. Relationship land. Gotcha. Yeah. A year later, I guess maybe was it that year, White Hot Moon? That's a good question.

Starting point is 01:27:12 I think it might have been 2015 because you did something else in 2016. It came out 2016. Well, then there you go. We were done with it by like 2014. Okay. So 2016, White Hot Moon. This is a huge record. Is it?

Starting point is 01:27:26 Yeah. I think it's why we broke up. No, what I don't mean that it's successful. And I don't mean that disrespectfully. I mean literally musically huge. Uh-huh. Thank you. It is dense and long and it's a great, it's a big sonic journey.

Starting point is 01:27:43 Thank you. Tell me about White Hot Moon and your personal contributions that stick with you. Well, I mean, that is a record that was very collaborative. Like, we sat down together. I mean, Feast of Love had that too. But this was like, all right, we're going to be like writing together. Less like Brennan is going to go smoke some weed and he'll come back with something. And then like, you know, somebody else will come back with something.

Starting point is 01:28:08 So we did a lot more like writing stuff together, giving a lot of feedback. I think we just put in a lot more thought to it, which is I think what you're supposed to do. but also like sometimes you second guess yourself you're not sure you can overthink you can overthink absolutely do you think you did that I don't know if I don't know so I question it I think it's I think it's timing because like it's a sick record I agree I really like songs off of that right and one of them is very successful like so and it's a song about Mike too oh wow wow wow wow there's some really cool like Steven put the Italian flag

Starting point is 01:28:48 The Sicilian flag Can I just say though The reason I wrote it This is lore I hope Mike doesn't This is soft lore Tell them tell them the title of the song Okay it's called Bird and You

Starting point is 01:29:00 And I wrote it During three days that Mike was not talking to me Because he ghosted me for three days Mike I'm sorry if you don't want me to tell people this I think he's okay with it Yeah he's You're ready to watch Titanic. You can tell this story.

Starting point is 01:29:17 Yeah. So he ghosted me for three days. Can you believe that? No. I can't either. That doesn't seem like something he would do. I know. He says, well, I know why.

Starting point is 01:29:26 And I'm not going to go into the details of the time. Okay. But I know why. And I was upset. I was like, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me. I'm going to have to put my feelings into something so I wrote this song for him. I mean, yeah. I'm going to have to write a smash shit.

Starting point is 01:29:41 Going to have to write a song about him. to think about forever and eventually play. And then eventually play it. Yeah. And then I texted him, what's going on? Just be real with me. And he was like, yeah, my bad, my bad.

Starting point is 01:29:56 Yeah, you're so dope, dude. No, like, honestly? You honestly? He went, he did this. This one? Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever meet Fudge?

Starting point is 01:30:12 Yeah, of course I did. So I actually met, like, hung out with Mike for the first time other than him asking me if I wanted to go get Del Taco. Nice. Because Petty Sex did a show in at the Echo. Okay. Whichever one's smaller. Santa Ana. Yeah, the Echo.

Starting point is 01:30:32 Oh, wait, no, that's, sorry. I was thinking about the observatory. Yeah. We played there too, I think. That's why I was thinking of that. So we played there and the Echo or whatever, small one. together with, I think, were, actually.

Starting point is 01:30:45 Yeah. And I was like, hey, we're playing near you. Can we stay with you? And that's how I met Fudge, too. And we got to hang out with Fudge. Fudge was Mike's Pekingese, rest in peace. Incredible dog. I met Fudge once.

Starting point is 01:30:59 You did? I did. Yep. Huge privilege. Tell me about tours on White Hot Moon. It was a little bleak. I'm going to be real. Really?

Starting point is 01:31:10 Yeah. Yeah. It kind of, okay. So, real talk, we only did one tour. And then I was like, I have to leave. So we had waited for this record to come out. Got a terrible review, which I remember, I immediately blocked the person who wrote the review. I was like, well, blocked.

Starting point is 01:31:25 And all I remember is Sean saying this review basically says, like, sandwich sucks, bread tastes. Like, the bun tastes like bread or something. About the equivalent of them being like, they wrote a song that sounds like the song they were writing. Yeah, you know. I don't know. I remember. That's pretty funny.

Starting point is 01:31:47 Sean, Sean's funny. He doesn't look like it when he is. Dude, 2015, 2016, kind of rough for new records. Dark time for music, man.

Starting point is 01:31:57 Dark time to be in a band. Music journalists were too safe. Dude, yes. Like I'm telling you, ritual combat needs to be instituted. Yes. And I'm,

Starting point is 01:32:07 my ego is very fragile. Or especially at that time. Like now, you know, I'm in my 30s. I'm okay. What's that like? Being in your 30s or being okay? Being okay. I can't read one goddamn thing about me.

Starting point is 01:32:22 Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm just safe from it now. Like, I don't, nobody's writing anything about me. Everybody say nice things below. Say nice things in the comments. Not something like she thinks she's too cute. Like somebody fucking wrote on the last video. Oh, no. I know.

Starting point is 01:32:36 You didn't see them? No. No, I don't read it. I don't really. Somebody did write that. And it's an in-cell, of course. Of course. Like, it's very in-cell.

Starting point is 01:32:47 We got a couple of those. Get out of here. I know. So, I'm sorry. Nobody wants to sleep with you. Like, I'm going to move on. Yeah. But the, where was I?

Starting point is 01:32:57 The review wasn't great. Oh, yeah. White Hot Moon, the reception, then the tour. Reception? Not great. You know what? And I was really proud of it. And I was like, I'm releasing a record at my, like, job.

Starting point is 01:33:08 and then, you know, it was really heartbreaking to be like, nobody likes it. Okay. And I'm probably remembering it more harshly than it actually was. And we, we as artists only remember the negative. Yes. You know? Like, I'm sure 100 people were telling you, great job, great record. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:25 But the one that's like sandwich. Sandwich bread. Yeah. Yeah. You don't remember that. Yes. So we do the tour and it's with, now this is going to be probably not outside of your wheel. House.

Starting point is 01:33:38 Big Sean. Powerbottom. Oh. Do you remember that thing? That was that time? Mm-hmm. Oh, no. Yes.

Starting point is 01:33:45 So we do our tour with Power Bottom and Petal incredible. Pedal rules. Fucking incredible. Pedal is so fucking good. Listen to pedal. Everybody, because it is so good. So many bangers. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:59 And the musicianship is beyond what. Like, we are so, we are so blessed to have that up. Did Kylie write a lot of that stuff for self? Kylie wrote all of it. Like, Kylie is the mastermind behind pedal. Genuinely brilliant, brilliant artist. Brilliant.

Starting point is 01:34:21 And so talented and, I mean, truly, like, listen to tightrope in particular. I listen to that song. Tite rope is crazy. It's incredible. The lyrics are incredible. The fucking, I don't even want to, like, describe it because I'm going to describe it ineffectively, and it's not going to do it. an active band? Yes. So like Kylie plays solo sets themselves. Like so that happens. But, uh, and in fact,

Starting point is 01:34:47 I was like, Mike, do we fly out to see pedal? Like I would, I would, I, there's a couple of shows. Do we fly out to be in pedal? But Kylie is, is still. Oh, awesome. Yeah. Petal fucking rules. But, okay, so Pedal is on the tour, which was incredible. Yeah. I loved that just like interpersonally, musically, incredible. Power Bottom. Also, I mean, dare I say, interpersonally, musically incredible. Just a little bit of controversy at the same time. Well, the controversy didn't happen until after the tour. Oh, good. They were popping the fuck off.

Starting point is 01:35:22 Yeah, they were next in line. So they were doing sometimes better than us. Like, this is our first and I think only headline tour ever. And it was like, I basically was like, damn, we should really throw in the towel like this. You know, we have nothing, like, on this band. And I, and I will say, Power Bottom, incredible, like, theatrical element to it. Pity Sex, we are not, that is not what we are. You're there to fucking rock.

Starting point is 01:35:51 Yeah, just play. Yeah. And sometimes I get some good ban to go. Like, I mean, I think sometimes. No, you're very smart and witty and funny. Thank you. You have a famous wit. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:36:01 I was trying to carry some, like, you know, entertainment value. But, like, famously, we are. kind of just like, you know, like kind of chilling. So seeing that and then having our set, which was very low energy in comparison, I was like, damn, we got to throw in the towel. And that was like kind of what did us in. Wow. That tour.

Starting point is 01:36:24 Yeah. I was like, yeah, I felt like we're really not. We're not as special. I think as people thought we should just, we should just cut it out. And that's just like when as soon as you start comparing yourself. Yeah. To others. Of course.

Starting point is 01:36:38 You lose. Competition. You're going to lose every time. Competition is the death of creativity. 100%. 100. No, I totally agree. But 25.

Starting point is 01:36:49 Totally. Yeah. I get it. I get it. You're young. And you're in this exciting new relationship. Mm-hmm. Where he's part of a big Sicilian family.

Starting point is 01:37:01 And he's saying, I want us to settle down with you. No, that had nothing to do with it. Yeah. So it wasn't that. It was grad school. Oh, okay. But I was like, I feel comfortable saying now is my, you know, I'm out. Because it just didn't feel like things were going as well as they were.

Starting point is 01:37:19 Like we kind of missed our opportunity. Totally. Let's just pause on this for. So you leaving pity sex was not Mike's fault? No. Okay. No. Not at all.

Starting point is 01:37:29 Okay. He was like, I mean, he was supportive. He was probably like, you know what? That'd be sick. you know what brittie you're so sick exactly yeah when did when did uh this might be moving

Starting point is 01:37:45 into the future too far but when did California start to see start to be a realistic endpoint for you or next step let's say yeah well as soon as I started dating Mike I was like well I guess I have to move to California because I'm not asking you to move to Michigan but he was Michigan Mike for a bit

Starting point is 01:38:04 he was thankfully because he knew I had to finish. I think, I don't even think I'd graduated college yet. I might have just graduated or like I was, yeah, like a few weeks out or something when I actually met him. I think I'd just graduated. But I was working at the university too. And so I was like, you know, I need to put in my time here so that I can get a really good letter of recommendation for grad school. That's like how you get in. It's not like grades. I mean, they care about your grades. But, it's mostly like who do you, who can vouch for you. Sure. Sounds awful. I mean, I was lucky. I had somebody I knew he would vouch for me. I just had to put in my time. Great. So I knew I was going to apply to grad schools out here in California. I knew there was a lot of grad schools in California. So I was like, you know, I'll be able to get into one of them, probably. But I even applied to like Arizona. Like there's no sure thing when you're applying to grad schools. You got to apply. I've I almost applied to one that requires you to have, like, a reference from a pastor.

Starting point is 01:39:11 I don't have one of those. Like, I was just like, that's another school, you know, trying to get out here. So that was when I knew I wanted to do that. But in order to do that, you have to get, like, two years of experience. You have to pass, or not pass, but you have to take this test that's like the SAT, but for grad school. So, like, that takes a lot of studying and practice tests. and stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:39:36 And then I took it three times because I was like, I really want to get the best score possible. You know, so there's a lot that goes into it. And all the while that's happening, Pity Sex is continuing as a band. How do you look at that at that time?

Starting point is 01:39:50 I mean, it was a lot of work. Like, I mean, I would like, I had my job at the university that was just full time. And then I worked at another research facility with, at volunteer. Sure. Totally volunteered just to get more letters of rec.

Starting point is 01:40:08 And then I also worked at another research facility. That one was paid, but it was only like three hours a week. Okay. And then on top of that, I was like writing songs and practice. Like it was really, it was a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. So the decision you leave the band, he played one last show with Best Coast?

Starting point is 01:40:29 Yes. How was that? That was really fun. My dad came and he was in Grand Rapids, which, which famously is where I lived for a moment. I don't know if that's famous. I claim it very. It's well documented.

Starting point is 01:40:43 Well documented. Where I met Alex. Totally. And Dom. So it was in Grand Rapids, which was a big deal to like go back there and play the show. Pyramid Scheme, great venue. Played there?

Starting point is 01:40:55 Mm-hmm. I like it. I like it there a lot. Yeah. So you leave the band, but they continue. They continue. How? Which I told them.

Starting point is 01:41:03 Please do. Please do that. not stop this because of my, you know. And then shortly after they did. And then they said, you know what? This isn't fun anymore. And then Brennan started another band. He started a couple of other bands.

Starting point is 01:41:16 He's in a couple other bands. Yeah. I mean, since then, he's been in a couple. I mean, he's prolific as a musician. He's one of those people who's just like, you cannot stop him. But in 2022, Pity Sex announces that their official, they'll be playing Sound and Fury in in California in July. Greaves, Drake, and St. Charles all participated in the reunion with Drake's husband Michael

Starting point is 01:41:40 Cesario joining on base. Tell me about adding Mike to the band, because it's my favorite thing. I love it. No, it's incredible. So our bassist, like the OG basest, is like, I think he's a teacher now. I mean, he's doing really important, like, teaching stuff. He, like, went to get his master's in teaching, and he was, like, always in that world. Like, he volunteered at this, like, after-school tutoring program.

Starting point is 01:42:08 He was, like, really invested in education infrastructure in Michigan. So he's, like, doing all that. And he was, I'm done. Like, have fun. Thanks for asking. Have fun. So we were like, well, who, Mike already knows one song on base. Let's just pick him up.

Starting point is 01:42:25 If you go see Pity Sex. Nice. If you go see Pity Sex, I want you to really pay close attention to Mike. And his vibe on Zinclair. stage is Mike. Yeah. He's not up in the shoegaisness. He's not wearing a costume in any way. He is Mike from everything else he's ever done. Forst Order, twitching tongues, holy blade, creatures.

Starting point is 01:42:49 Do you know what it reminds me of, Colin? It reminds me of when Metallica goes to see Echo Brain in this some kind of monster and Newstead's playing, but he's playing how he plays in this totally different band. That's what that's what it is. Yeah. So that first show back, how is that, are you, how are you feeling at that time? Is that pure nerves or is it like, holy shit, I can't wait to play again? Pure nerves. Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:43:13 In every single way. And also, one of my pedals broke. Well, somebody stepped on it. Can I'm like, somebody did stuff on it, like, which pedals are meant to be stepped on. For sure. Not like that. But by you. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:43:28 Yeah. It was my Russian Big Muff, which, like, I had. like somebody install a power adapter. So it's like usually they require a battery. I didn't want that. I wanted it to like direct. So I had had that installed, but like the weld,

Starting point is 01:43:47 the not welding, soldering was like kind of weak. And so somebody like kicked it or something. And then every time it would undo, now this was fine. Everything was fine. But what happened now, this happened to me actually.

Starting point is 01:44:02 one too many times where I fixed it forever. Okay. But it would turn off my whole pedal board because it was like a daisy chain situation. Yeah, it was short. Yes. And then every time it would turn back on, my phaser was on. So it's going back on. Yes.

Starting point is 01:44:21 Yes. The entire time. So I'm just like fucking phasers back on. So I don't remember a lot of it. I just remember being like, you know what? I'm just going to do my best. and it's going to be fine. But we just hadn't played in so long

Starting point is 01:44:35 that I just wasn't anticipating that stuff and like, you know, it's a festival. It was really fun, by the way. And the set was awesome. And the set was awesome. Oh, and that was the other thing as Sean almost couldn't drum. Yeah. So.

Starting point is 01:44:49 She had me learning songs, Derek learning songs. So there was a lot of stress on the back end, or I guess it was the front end of it. More in the rhythm section. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. but it was really fun and as soon as we played that

Starting point is 01:45:06 Brennan was like, you know, let's like see if there's some other stuff we could do which was cool because I didn't know how you would feel about it before then. I was actually shocked that he was down before it. It was like a nice like, I don't know,

Starting point is 01:45:21 like rekindling. And you've been a straight up active band since. Yeah, it feels that way. What's the dynamic like? In terms of like relationship? Yeah, like, relationship, creativity. How are you, how, what is pity sex like in 2025?

Starting point is 01:45:37 I mean, yeah, no, it's a good question because we are working on stuff, you know, like I don't know what is going to come of it. I don't want to say too much either because then I said this about procession 10 years ago. And I've heard, I've heard every single one of them. Those aren't even demos. Those are just songs that aren't done. Yes. Yes.

Starting point is 01:45:56 Okay. So there's that. Okay. But yeah. Brendan is, like I said, he is prolific, he is so talented. And, yeah, I don't know how much he would want me to say about this either. Okay. He's one of those people who...

Starting point is 01:46:11 I mean, it wouldn't be crazy to say there will be new pity sex music if there is. I don't think it'd be crazy, but I don't know if it's for sure. Okay. You know what I mean? I would like that, though. I would love it. No, I would love it. The people would like it.

Starting point is 01:46:25 Yeah. I got shit to say, you know, I got shit. And we just played two. like I just supported you for two headlining shows in California that were incredible. Better than when we were a real band. Wow. That's what it's all about.

Starting point is 01:46:40 Yeah. So keep that going. Yeah, no, I really want to. And I hope Brennan does too. Because I can't do it without him. He's genuinely, like he's a, you know. Sure. What do I, I want to finish that sentence so that it doesn't sound like I'm saying

Starting point is 01:46:55 something negative. He is, yeah, a mastermind. Okay. I just think I just really appreciate. I think his style is so, like, exactly what I like to compliment. Okay. You know what I mean? Would you, could you diagnose Brennan on the show live?

Starting point is 01:47:14 I can't afterward. Okay, cool. A really cool guy. No, I would say Brennan, he's one of the most neurotic people I've ever met. Oh, good. No, he's incredible. Cool. That's what makes him special.

Starting point is 01:47:27 Yeah. Before we get to some of our other famous segments here, I have a couple of rapid fire questions. Got it. Is it true you eat a can of beans before bed? Who did you ask about this? Yes, it's true. Well, not every night. But I will fuck up a can of beans.

Starting point is 01:47:48 What kind of beans are we talking? Yeah. Black. We got Garbonzo. Oh, you're open. So the whole Lagoon family. No, I'll take it. Can.

Starting point is 01:47:59 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Is it true that you have a preference, preferential treatment to stale food? Yes. Yes. What's up of that? Oh, interesting. It's good.

Starting point is 01:48:12 I don't know, like. But don't you think if stale food was good, it would just be called food? Hmm. Well, I didn't make the words. You know what I mean? Like, if I was making the rules, I would say, the way you make crap. is you bake them and then you leave them out for three days. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:48:31 One of a, like, I remember a snacking moment when I had, my dad had some, like, kind of stale pretzels and I had a diet Dr. Pepper. And the combo just worked. Game, game changer. I don't know why, but I do remember that. I remember that happening. It's good. I have some things like that.

Starting point is 01:48:49 Like when I eat cheese, it's, this is something I started doing when I was maybe five or six years old. I got a big mouthful of them, right? Oh, no. And I chew that mouthful till it's like liquid. Oh, my God. And once it gets to liquid, I love the way it feels. Hmm.

Starting point is 01:49:05 And then I start over. Oh, the box is gone. That's an interesting. I will try it with the vegan ones. Yeah. I will give it a shot. Get it real thin. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:14 Okay. I feel like you might have to, like, get some sips of water in there. I don't know. No, no, that ruins it. Okay. Okay. So we're just going raw. Stale food.

Starting point is 01:49:26 Yeah. Also, can I just say gluten-free, like, I don't fuck with, like, gluten-free unless you're, like, celiac or something. You know, like, I think it's, like, gets confused with veganism and I'm like, those are totally different things. But gluten-free pretzels are so much better. Interesting. Like, try them. I promise you. I'll get a shot.

Starting point is 01:49:44 A gluten-free pretzel, I will fuck up a bag, like, the whole bag. It is so good. You don't get that, like, dry mouth. They're, like, buttery. Glutinos, in particular. Do you have a favorite? gas station tour snack? You know, yes, I'm

Starting point is 01:50:00 real, but it's shifted. I'm really into sweet tarts right now. Wow. Like a box of them though. Yeah, the box. It's just sugar, but like it's good. Except for the grape flavor. But like...

Starting point is 01:50:14 Grip jelly, though. You're anti-grap. Oh, so you don't like artificial grape at all? Mm-mm. I feel the way about artificial banana. I'm like that with artificial watermelon. Can't do it. See? I don't like any of those. I'm with you.

Starting point is 01:50:26 Yeah, all of those are bad, in my opinion. Yeah, it's not for me. Okay. But I would, because I'm vegan, I would eat like a, if there's a dill pickle chip, I'll usually get that. Or like salt and vinegar. I'm a huge salt and vinegar. Holy shit. That's my favorite.

Starting point is 01:50:45 It really, it really is. Yeah. But on tour, I would often do, like, a trail mix, which is like, you know, you know, I know. I know, I know, but I was like, I'm trying, I'm just trying to stay alive here because we were just doing Taco Bell. Yeah. I love Taco Bell. Yeah, but I know we talked about. But how much Taco Bell can a vegan take on tour?

Starting point is 01:51:08 Like, we were doing taco, especially when you're in the middle of the country. Thank God we were all vegan because I've, I know that must suck when you're like the one person who's getting French fries. But yeah. Like? Yeah. Yes. But yeah, that was rough. So I would do the trail mix or like a big bag of trail mix or really that's it.

Starting point is 01:51:33 Okay. What about beverage-wise? I'm not really into beverages. Yeah, I noticed that you didn't accept me offering you beverages to that. I don't really like. Are you picky? I like two beverages. What are they?

Starting point is 01:51:44 Water. Coffee. Uh-huh. And water. Yeah. I love water. Water's great. It's wet.

Starting point is 01:51:52 I don't know. It's good. This is fucking tell that Don Draper It's wet It's good Interesting So you don't enjoy You don't like a pop

Starting point is 01:52:03 I don't like I'll drink it at the movie theaters That's that's your exception That's the okay That's a good exception They typically have a good one Yeah they do Yeah It's like out of a fountain

Starting point is 01:52:15 Or like at a show Sometimes if I'm like Kind of feeling like a soda You know I'll do but I don't actually want it. I just, I'm like, it's kind of like a novelty,

Starting point is 01:52:28 like a time and a place, occasion setter type thing. I got you. Interesting. Beautiful. What about in terms of a banned meal? I guess, I mean, every vegan says Taco Bell.

Starting point is 01:52:40 So if you can't say Taco Bell, what's the fast food of choice on a pity sex tour? Okay. God, it's Taco Bell. I mean, if it's Taco Bell, it's not a bit of it.

Starting point is 01:52:51 I mean, I, I feel like there might have been In the UK, I think they had like a vegan Burger King Burger at the time. Now they have that here. Yeah, the impossible walker. The impossible. The Carlyne's gone, though. It's devastating. Okay. I, Mike and I

Starting point is 01:53:08 ate that shit like once a week. It was really good. It was really good. What? What? The Carl Beyond. Yeah. Yeah. RIP, Carl Beyond. I'm, I remember actually we went to Michigan to practice for the Santa Feary show. And I was like, well, we can just get Carl's. Like, you know, like, it's, well, everything, nothing is. Was there a Hardy Beyond?

Starting point is 01:53:35 No, they don't even have Carls or Hardee's. Sad. I know. We're so spoiled. Yeah, we don't, we don't have that up here, not at all. But we have Culvers who have nothing being, but. Yeah. We got that. I was just like, we're really spoiled. Yeah. So where is a place then, Brady, let's say, let's do the opposite of the fast food question, Colin. Let's say like a specialty vegan sit down place. Oh, I got to be anywhere. Yeah. But you got to pick one that you guys would all like.

Starting point is 01:54:03 Is there a place? Ooh. I mean, I think this is like kind of a passe answer now, but it's Chicago, the Chicago Diner. Chicago Diner's very good. I'm a handlebar guy. I don't know if I've ever been. I feel like I must have been there. Next, next time you.

Starting point is 01:54:21 guys are here. We'll go to Handelbar. It's right down the street for me. I think it's food-wise it's better, but the diner has crazy. Didn't Mike Uber there? What'd you say? Didn't Mike Uber there from the Metro? Yeah. When we played there? Yeah. And he loved it. It's awesome. Handelbar rocks, but the diner has the desserts that are like crazy. Yeah. And I fuck with the dessert. Like the milkshakes and stuff, life changing. It's a vegan peanut butter cookie dough milkshake Colin that is legitimately the best milkshake I've ever had. Yeah. Wow. Which is crazy to say, but it is so fucking good. I got to try it.

Starting point is 01:54:54 No, I'm a big fan. Pretty. As a doctor of the mind, do you believe in ghosts? I thought you weren't to ask me about God for a second. We know that that's not real. It's a ghost. It's the worst one. Some may say.

Starting point is 01:55:09 Worst one. Okay. Do I believe in ghosts? I, so. I don't know. I'm agnostic about everything. That is the question. You know? I'm kind of like maybe.

Starting point is 01:55:23 You're open to it? I'm definitely open to it. I don't think it's like floating around like fucking with people. But I am on the, I mean, I just don't know what happens. I think there are theories related to what happens after you die. Oh, that's a good question. What do you think happens after we die? I mean, this is the, so I, my choice of what to believe because I would talk, this is going back to my therapist,

Starting point is 01:55:50 my bald therapist. And I was, thank God for that. The hairless therapist, yes, yes. I was like, oh, you know, I was really struggling with the death of my dog. Totally. And I was like, I just, damn, sorry I'm talking about death so much. But I was like, I just really wish I believed in like, you know, she's still going to be around or she'll be with me or like, I'll see her again. And he was like, you can just choose to believe that.

Starting point is 01:56:14 And I was like, I don't know. It just, like, I don't know if I do still. but like there was this like shift in me where I was like, but I'm just going to stop fighting it and believe it. Yeah. And so ever I just choose to believe it now. Yeah, I guess it's not technically belief is it. It's choice.

Starting point is 01:56:33 Mm-hmm. Sure. Yeah. So that's my vibe is I'm like, I think it would be dope if Canoli was right here right now. Yeah. You know, that makes me feel good. And I'm never going to know either way. Right.

Starting point is 01:56:48 And I'm not hurting anyone by believing this. That I really liked. I really like I'm never going to know either way. I'm not. So I can just be like, okay, I'm just going to go with let's pretend like she is. And then I'm no longer, you know, suffering as much. It was really wild because I don't do that type of therapy. I'm not like, you know, a little bit.

Starting point is 01:57:10 So when a therapist hit you with something that blew your therapist mind, that's got to, you got to be like, fuck. It was great. Which I thought of that. It was really great. I mean, he did a great job. Wow. That's why I keep going to him. But what do you think happens after we die, Bridie?

Starting point is 01:57:28 I think that there is probably like some sort of essence that people have. I mean, and this is, we would understand this if it was saying, if it was like fully scientific, right? So anyone who tells you, like, we are just madder and that has been completely demonstrated through science is a, they're bullshitting now because that's just simply not true. there are even just the origins of the universe are still a theory so i mean you know we can say there was a big bang but what caused the big bang is still a question right so there's always a yeah what's the what's the skepticism on your face gravity is a theory many theories are proven sure that that that can remain theories so i don't think that that changes anything And it is a law of the physical world that you can't create or destroy matter.

Starting point is 01:58:22 Sure. And I believe that. Right. So by saying like, oh, we're all parts of fallen stars or whatever is a very far-fetched truth, I would say. Or theory. What I would say to that is that religion is an institution. Science is also an institution. And I think both require faith in a, I mean, I can't.

Starting point is 01:58:46 I cannot, as somebody who is not a physicist. One is an incredible story. One is... I mean, I don't diminish it, actually. One is measurable and observable, and one is absolutely not. Amen, brother. I actually think that religion is more psychologically bound and sociologically bound. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:59:07 Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. That's measurable and demonstrable. Sure. So it is sociologically bound. Okay. Bound, yes. Yes, yes.

Starting point is 01:59:14 And I also think that... that means it is measurable to some extent. I don't think... Now, when I say religion, I'm not talking about... There's a big man, you know, in the sky who's, like, omnipotent and, like, you know, that he has a son who... Yeah. The story.

Starting point is 01:59:35 It was not. I did the Christian metal core thing wrong. But I more mean generally and broadly, like, because I view Buddhism as a religion. and I view that to be demonstrable in some ways. So going back to the difference between religion and science, I think they are much more alike than they are different. Interesting. And I hear you about they're measurable,

Starting point is 02:00:01 but I also want to point out that they are measurable to some because as somebody who is not a physicist, I simply cannot understand, and I will accept it on faith that, because experts have told me, that like the universe is curved, right? Yeah. Like that's like something, I don't know how to demonstrate that,

Starting point is 02:00:21 and I would have to go to school for a very long time to understand it. But no professor of theology can show their work. They can't write you a formula to say. It's not possible to trace that, to trace the information that they've been giving and have it be 100% even 50% accurate, really. Well, I would say that they have other evidence that they are pointing to. I don't think it is exactly what they think it is, right?

Starting point is 02:00:53 But they aren't just making a complete bullshit in the same way that scientists, yes, they are, you know, following a legacy. They're following a legacy. But I think it is just as political as religious thought. No argument there. No argument there. Okay. Okay. No, I'm with you on like, one is sociological.

Starting point is 02:01:15 I would call religion to be a sociological construct. Yeah. And I would say the same about science. Wow. But don't you... You're very smart, so I don't know what to say. You are very smart. But I just, I wonder then about the application of one to the other.

Starting point is 02:01:33 I think they function really similarly. Interesting. The parallel is people have staunch beliefs that become more and more polarized. And I see this even in the scientific community. somebody who participated in peer-reviewed research, it is incredibly polarizing. And you have to become more and more, like, you know, kind of, I can't come up with a good word for this, but like dig your heels in even more. Yeah, right. Right. On the side, right, right, of your theory or whatever it is. It's not just a theory, but like on the side of your, of your argument, let's say, or whatever, you know,

Starting point is 02:02:11 corner that you've carved out in your scientific world. And I don't want to equate them completely. I know that there are differences. I just think that people have this view that science is this like completely based on evidence and everybody is rational. And that is one I can tell you that that is not true. But the goal is evidence and rationality. That's the express goal.

Starting point is 02:02:37 But we have the scientific process because people are so fucking bad at that. motives and biases and objectives. But those motives and the opposite of rationality is a lot of the time the direct contrast between science and religion. Wait, can you say that again? Because I don't understand what the opposite of rationality. Yeah, faith is kind of the opposite of rationality. Faith is the opposite, can be considered the opposite of rationality.

Starting point is 02:03:04 I would say they're antonyms for sure. Yeah. I don't know that I, I think, I think, I think, I think. reading a roughly translated book and setting that as your universal belief system, sometimes not even a universal belief system. Like, I'm going to not do this, this, and this and this, but I'm going to really hate this guy and this guy and this guy. And you can't do that, but I can.

Starting point is 02:03:30 That's the opposite of rational. I see that. And I think people do that regardless of religion. Absolutely. I think we use religion as religion. That's environment. Yeah, that's what's causing it. but that is human nature, and that's why I say it's sociological.

Starting point is 02:03:44 Like, there is, you know, the thing that you can use to explain the behavior, but there's also this, well, I think people are using it as a way to describe the behavior. But we've seen that throughout human history. And religion has been around throughout human history, but not the same one. And even within cultures, I'm sorry, between cultures, we see a very diverse presentation of what religion is based on the needs of the, of the society. Totally.

Starting point is 02:04:12 So that's partly where I'm like, that's a very westernized view of religion, not to, which I grew up with. So I totally feel like that's going to be the most salient to all of us. We can all understand that.

Starting point is 02:04:23 But then I'm thinking about like witchcraft, which, and when I say witchcraft, I don't mean like Salem witch trials. I mean like, shaman, you know, like,

Starting point is 02:04:34 oh, you're, you get it. I'm down. I like I do it. That's, but that I don't think. that you would, that people, I don't want to say you, but I don't think people

Starting point is 02:04:44 have the same view of that being like they're using this as a way to discriminate against people. In fact, it like serves a function. I'm mainly talking about Christianity. Okay, yeah, no, we can call that. It's the most embarrassing one. Yeah, and I think we can stay beaten up on Christianity.

Starting point is 02:05:00 If you boil the two things down to the root, one is teaching you how to ask questions, and one is teaching you how to accept things without asking. Do you know what I mean? And I think one is just a better option. However, I know that within the science thing, there's tribalism and all the shit that

Starting point is 02:05:22 you're talking about. So I get that. But the nice thing is, is like Lutheranism or something, I can go out and do my own research. I can't talk to God. Yeah. Yeah. No, I hear you.

Starting point is 02:05:31 And I will just put my pitch that I don't 100% agree that, like, religion means you can't ask questions because there are people who go into like a doctorate in like religion, I don't even religious studies or something. But so often the answer is have faith. Yeah, no, I would say that that's one answer, but it's going back. There's fucking 10 rules, you know, like Moses got them. These are rules, motherfucker. Don't do this. Are you going to hell? There's a lot more in others. There's a lot more in others and nobody follows them. Totally. But I'm just, I'm just saying like, one is like don't and one is like do and it i think try try yeah like as it comes down to i don't know to be to be fair i just this is my pet my pet um i don't know topic or whatever um just i

Starting point is 02:06:22 had the same viewpoint at some point where i was like no you know religion is the pain of everything and like it's the root of all evil and anyway i think it's all root of most evil a lot of And I also don't mean to speak for you by saying, oh, I have that thought. And I also don't mean to imply that that means that someday you will be like elevated to the way that I think about it. I don't mean that. I will be at your level. I will regress. I really don't mean that.

Starting point is 02:06:49 I will start killing them with ice skates. Exactly. Which I did when I was a Christian. Oh. I really do appreciate. Stephen Bleep what I said. I really do appreciate your input on that though, Brady. I think that was possibly the most sophisticated.

Starting point is 02:07:05 conversation we've ever had on the show. I really enjoyed it. You're really brilliant. You're really brilliant. Thank you. Well, it's not me. I'm literally just regurgitating from other psychologists who have written about this. That's cool.

Starting point is 02:07:17 Which is, but I'm good at regurgitating. Well, I can't ask them their top four hardcore records of all the time. No, because they are dead. Freud? Probably. Yeah. Freud sucks, though. Like, I could talk shit on Freud all fucking day.

Starting point is 02:07:31 Can I just say really, can we talk about Freud for a second? Okay. Absolutely. This is my, this is something. want to do a podcast on. We still teach Freud, and I don't fucking understand. You're saying, like, science is all about, like, being able

Starting point is 02:07:43 to demonstrate things, to be able to observe and demonstrate. Freud did none of that. Freud was just like, what if people want to suck their dad's dick? Yeah. Because I got to do. Like, really? That was the vibe.

Starting point is 02:07:57 Yeah. Okay. He did a couple of... In fact, he did one thing. This is the one thing that Freud got right. I'm ready. And it's going to sound like, well, duh, but this was fucking profound. Okay. Freud was like, there are unconscious processes that drive our behavior. Wow.

Starting point is 02:08:14 Okay. I know that sounds so simple, but like that was, that was wild. Like, holy shit. It's not 100% my fault. Exactly. No, or it is. Well, that's the question of free will. But Freud said that.

Starting point is 02:08:28 He, you know, came up with this idea that there's stuff happening. Because before that, we were just like, you got, you know everything that's happening. And now we understand. No, there's a lot of stuff we are not aware of that is happening behind the scenes. Trauma, et cetera. Et cetera. Yes. Other things. So, but he got so much stuff wrong and we teach the wrong stuff. And if you ask somebody, why do I have to learn about Freud? Because I'm unteaching people constantly. I'm like, that's not true. That's not a real thing. Like, I don't know why we're still teaching. And it's really hard to unlearn things. why are we still teaching Freud?

Starting point is 02:09:05 It's because if you ask a professor, they'll say, because he got this one thing right and it's a legacy and it's really important to understand the history. And I'm like, then we should be teaching it like he got all this wrong. It's a perspective. It was probably wrong. Exactly. It's crazy too that he's the only one I can name.

Starting point is 02:09:20 Like psychologists? I don't know anybody else by name. I mean, he's the, he's like the famous guy. Yeah. And unfortunately he was wrong. Yeah. But it's the stuff that the fun stuff. from his beliefs or why we know.

Starting point is 02:09:35 He's like the Elvis. Well, A little bit. Yeah, I would say the part. He's just, I mean, he's a pervert. So yeah, maybe I, that those. If a guy is out here telling everybody wants to suck this dad's dick,

Starting point is 02:09:48 we all want to, we're going to be like, what did you say? Mm-hmm. It is the like the wow factor he's kind of got. Yeah, it's like the band named Pity Sex. You know? Wow. It all comes back to sex.

Starting point is 02:10:01 Wow. What are you're talking about? for her record. Okay, thank you for the question. Um, okay. So I think I, so I thought about this.

Starting point is 02:10:11 Okay. And I'm going to go through different era. So I put, I like kind of can pick something from different eras of my life. Okay. Because like, if I were to just say like the, you know,

Starting point is 02:10:22 the one, the like most formative, I don't, those, those would be different answers. Sure. So I'm going to say Gorilla Biscuits start today.

Starting point is 02:10:32 is one of the form. I think that is like a formative record. I remember being like, do you remember what we used to say old school hardcore? Yeah. Okay, yeah. I was like,

Starting point is 02:10:41 I like old school hardcore. And that was what I was referring to. Okay. Beautiful. I'm going to say ceremony. I always pronounce this wrong. Ronert Park. I think that's fine.

Starting point is 02:10:53 Park. I don't even know if I pronounce that. It might be Ronert. Who cares? It's a great record. Rohnert, but I'm probably pronouncing it with a Midwest

Starting point is 02:11:01 accent. I'm going to say Angel Dust AD. Does that count? Yeah, of course it counts. Is that the yellow one? Or the pink? No, it's pink. The pink one's an LP. Anything counts. Yeah. Okay. Because it was... That's hardcore.

Starting point is 02:11:17 I love that record. I think it's what I mean, I'm telling you now. It's one of my favorite records. There's just said something about like everything I do is hardcore. If you see me up there with a banjo, that's hardcore. That's fucking right. So Angel Dust is definitely a hardcore man. Yeah, and it's, I think, a record that when it came out, I was like, this re-ignited my, like, love for music, but... Wow.

Starting point is 02:11:44 Yeah. And then I think I'm going to say, this one I'm going to say, twitching tongues in love, there's no law. Oh, my God. I have to. Wow. I didn't know you were rocked like that. I'll be honest with you. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 02:11:58 When I... Nice to meet you. Mike. I'm going to say it because it's been formative for me in many ways. I was a fan. Wow. I didn't know. I'm learning this for the first time.

Starting point is 02:12:11 Yes. No, I was a fan. And when I met Mike, I didn't know that he was in Twitching God because I met him at a forced order show. Oh. And Angel Doss played. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 02:12:23 Look at that. But it is probably now, not only did I like it then, which I really did. In fact, Brennan, big fan. We would listen to it in the van all the time. Why didn't he follow me back on Twitter in 2012? I don't know. You know, he followed Rivers Cuomo and he muted him immediately.

Starting point is 02:12:43 He deserves the follow. But like, I don't want to see his content. That is incredible. That's what I saw. He's a God-tier human. God-tier. But yeah, no, I was a fan. And then one time Mike was texting me, like, sent me a screenshot.

Starting point is 02:13:01 And it showed that he was listening to in love their friends. There's no lot. Like early on? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like one of the first texts that we exchanged. And I was like, wait, are you listening to your own band right now? That's awesome. But I was like, you know what, respect.

Starting point is 02:13:14 Because I like it too. But yeah, I would listen to it on my way to work. I had no idea. Yeah, and in the van all the time. Fuck yeah. We've been friends a long time. Wow. I got to keep it under rabs.

Starting point is 02:13:25 I can't be fan girling. That's awesome. All right, we got some. Oh, you know what else I want to know? I want to know your top four PitySex genre Records of all time. Because I don't know how to define you.

Starting point is 02:13:41 Jesus. I guess it would be indie shoegaze adjacent. It's in there. It's in there. For sure. Yeah. Am I allowed to look at my phone for a second?

Starting point is 02:13:51 Yeah. Yeah. What am I rocking with? It's slick modern indie. Slick modern indie. Slick modern indie. Okay. I mean, I have one answer already.

Starting point is 02:14:01 Yuck, yuck. Yuck. Okay. Self-title. Okay. Are you familiar? Yuck by Yuck. I've never heard it.

Starting point is 02:14:07 Oh, fuck. It is so good. It's yuck, yuck. No, self-titled yuck. It's, I can't believe you've never heard it. It's incredible. Never heard of it, I would say. I mean, it.

Starting point is 02:14:23 I'm sold. I don't know how to explain it except for, I heard it and I was like, I'm done. Like, I don't need to make music. This is what I. wish that I could do. I still feel that way they broke up. And it's such a bummer. I'm going to say, I know,

Starting point is 02:14:42 Avlov, they have this record. I think it's called AM, but it could also be called AM. I think it's AM now that I'm thinking about it. Let's go AM. Yeah, Avlov, please tell me. I don't know. But it's got this guy running through the field.

Starting point is 02:15:00 it's an incredible record. Avlov, are you familiar at all? No, you're making stuff up. No, they're so good. And then, I mean, I view them as contemporaries. They played our New York show. Oh, cool. And then I would say Super Heaven JAR, for sure.

Starting point is 02:15:21 Classic. Great record. I was like, I don't know why I was trying to do deep cuts for a second. No, that's like the most, yeah. Legendary. And also a band that. that like really informed my writing. I don't know that you can hear it,

Starting point is 02:15:37 but I was like trying to go for that. Okay. That's beautiful. I don't know if other people would view this as being a similar genre. As your own band, I think you can name whatever you want. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:15:50 Jesus, I don't know, though. It's up to you. Yeah, okay, that's true. I think Offlov, we're hitting it. Yuck, I hope. I don't know if we are, though. Super Heaven. Super Heaven are contemporary.

Starting point is 02:16:02 Close. That makes sense. Yeah. I'm, I already forgot it. I came up. Okay, here it is. I got it. Lemuria, get better.

Starting point is 02:16:11 That is a band that all of us loved. Still love. Yeah. But like listen to and also like was one of my inspirations to like start playing guitar. So I would definitely say that. Damn. Because I'm pretty sure there's lore that I think her name is Sheena, the guitarist and singer, started playing guitar for that band.

Starting point is 02:16:32 I'm pretty sure. Sick. Sounds a lot like a lady I know. Sure does. So anyway, I was like, damn, if she can do that really fast, like that's really cool. Wow.

Starting point is 02:16:42 Yeah. One of my inspiration. Okay. Those are four great answers. All right, let's go over to our Patreon questions. Okay. Don't look at them. First question, yeah, don't look at them.

Starting point is 02:16:53 I'm already looking. Don't look at her. First question is Fortnite? No. I'm not good. a video game. I'll get you going to. No, but here's that I would love to, I would love to just chat with my friends, you know, but you could do that. I, while swinging a unicorn. I one time played for Kyla. Oh, and it was like the most, yeah, she's, she, seeing her evolution from the most

Starting point is 02:17:17 pathetic gamer I've ever seen to like completely competent Fortnite player is truly unbelievable. She's, I think she's really good. She's pretty good. She let me play as her, but she was like, don't tell anyone it's you. But everybody. knew. Like, that's, it was so hot. I'm running sideways. Yeah, like looking down the whole time. Yeah. Not, not really. Throwing fucking big pots at people. Do you have a favorite Christian hardcore band? Seven star. Yeah. Wow. What was the process for writing the split with adventures like? Shout out adventures. Yeah. Great man. I'm trying to remember what songs are on that split. I think I got it.

Starting point is 02:17:59 I think I know which two they are. But I mean, either way. Yeah, I got him. One of them, so this is often how PitySex writes, where, like, if Brennan is singing a song, usually he was the person who, like, spearheaded that song. Not 100% of the time. Sometimes I'm, like, I can't do lyrics. I'm just, I'm tapped out. In which case, Brennan might sing something that I wrote or, like, vice versa.

Starting point is 02:18:25 but what was the process was like Brennan wrote one song and was like I remember he was kind of ripping off a what band is it red hot chili peppers has a he wasn't trying to rip it off but like now when you listen back to it I'm like oh that's a red hot shri-dover song was it like bit up skip cup deep up something like that famously yes it's our it's our song where I'm I'm scatting I thought I could hear that I thought I could hear that. But yeah, the process was Brennan was playing that in the basement. And I was like, oh, I'm going to come down and I want to riff on this. Cool.

Starting point is 02:19:03 Yeah. And I also learned how to do octave chords for, well, I knew how to do it. You never forget your first. Skip one, you know. I was just never, I never incorporated that into a song. You weren't a morbid angel head at that time. Huge one now. Oddly, I learned octave chords through a Jimmy World songs.

Starting point is 02:19:21 Oh, they have. Dude, Jimmy World has. have riffs. Like difficult, crazy guitar. The Get It Faster Bridge riff with the da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-the-the-pong. Sick as fuck. Great answer.

Starting point is 02:19:38 Great answer. From a friend of the show, Mike Moynihan said, I think you rock. Wow. And played bass so good at LDB. Wow. What was your favorite band you've ever filled in on bass for? Yeah. Holy Blame.

Starting point is 02:19:50 Okay, good. Obviously. Britty is the full-time, part-time. Base player. I'm the permanent temporary bass player. Perfect. That, well said. Wow.

Starting point is 02:20:00 So I'm in a band with pretty. It says that in my Instagram bio. Good. I saw that. Honestly, it made me feel really good. I'm glad Alec didn't immediately kick me out. No, I was honored.

Starting point is 02:20:11 Mike wants to know your favorite slash most worn band shirt you've ever owned. I'm not going to lie. I have a, I wear the same shirt, like, constant. I just realized you've been wearing a Faith Alone shirt. this whole area. Yes, I have. And I love this shirt. I love it. It's a great shirt. I have this Radio Hospital shirt that I really like. I think that's my favorite. They're a bit, I know you've never heard of them. No. They're from Grand Rapids. Ah. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:20:40 Hometown. Like hometown heroes type thing. I think also, oh, I should have used them as one of my favorite, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Um, Radio Hospital, there's this yellow shirt. I don't think I was. Oh, you love the yellow one is, aren't you wearing it in our original interview? Yeah. No, wait, no, no. I'm not, I'm not. But that is an Edgeman shirt.

Starting point is 02:21:00 Oh, okay. But Jimmy was, Jimmy was like, you got to stop wearing that fucking shirt because it was a free shirt that he sent to me and it's like very worn because I wear it constantly.

Starting point is 02:21:10 And so I found this radio or hospital shirt, same color. Ooh. And I love that shirt. Yellow is British color. I do like, well. It goes well with the green contacts that you wear.

Starting point is 02:21:22 It's my, it's my favorite to compliment. about my green context. Gotcha. Gotcha. How has being part of the hardcore punk alternative subculture influence your morals and values? That's a damn crazy question. I love it. I mean, I think ethics wise, like I'm very DIY. I think it's fucking weird when people, no offense to anybody, like, I think it's fucking weird when people get into music to make money. Like, if it takes you there, that is so dope. I love that. I want everyone to get their bag. but you know when you like or if you've even some i've been like tour managed by somebody like

Starting point is 02:21:59 this where i was like you don't know about like the the background of what you're doing you know yeah yeah uh and and it shows it's like they don't get it um that sounds really i don't know no no you're right because i mean this is the kind of the one genre where if that's your goal you should play anything else literally why would you play hardcore play anything out if that's your one goal is start a band to for it to be your career. Do it. Try anything else. And that's the funniest argument against the industry plant accusations ever thrown at a hardcore band. She's like, no. I'm going to go plant somewhere else if that's the goal. To be real, there are totally industry plants. I mean, like. No, 100%. But in hardcore, why? Why would you do that? No, and I, like, the people

Starting point is 02:22:45 who get the allegations are not the ones, you know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. And your strategy, which is a moral in value. I mean, I learned of veganism. This dude, Richard Hackler, I met through punk and hardcore. He had, I won't even go into it. But he was like a huge influence on veganism for me. And he's still vegan, thank God.

Starting point is 02:23:08 Beautiful. Pros and cons of two of a married couple being musicians on tour. I don't think there's any cons. Damn. I think the only con is that there's no one to watch the dog. Like, it's the dopes thing ever.

Starting point is 02:23:26 Okay. Yeah. Can't say enough. 10 out of 10. Like, can't imagine not having that after having had it. Well, here's a thing.

Starting point is 02:23:34 There's a difference between having that there and having Mike there. Yeah. He is so in my corner. He's the best. Yeah. I mean, he's great with that. He's an amazing person for anybody.

Starting point is 02:23:46 But the other day I was working out with my trainer. Why don't you ask me about that? Well, How did you get so skinny and jacked? I wanted to brag about how much I can deadlift. I was working out with her and he sees her too. Because he supports women. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:24:02 And she was like, you know your husband is obsessed with you, right? And I was like, tell me more. What did he say? But for real, like, the most supportive person in the world to everybody. But like, for real, he sacramed. I have never played bass before. I know. Like, I've never done it.

Starting point is 02:24:21 And he was like, I will sit with you every night in practice so that you can be ready for these shows. And then he didn't practice his own shit. And he was like so fucking stress before the set because he's like I, and I knew it. I was like, yeah, because he practiced with me. He played bass next to me every night. And playing those songs on bass and guitar are very different. Yeah. Yes.

Starting point is 02:24:46 So let me ask you this then, Bridie. How much do you know about Magic the Gathering? everything I know is against my will. But I know a fucking lot. You know a lot. You know, I mean, were you a big Pokemon head before Mike? Yes, yes, yes. I mean, that we bonded over that.

Starting point is 02:25:03 So there's some, there's some crossover there. Oh, yeah. One of the greatest gifts you've ever gotten him. Oh, yeah. Tell me about that. Yeah. So our first anniversary, he got me a great gift kit. I'll tell you both.

Starting point is 02:25:15 But first anniversary, did either of you play, you played the, the, the, the, I played every single Pokemon game. Okay, the game, okay. Yeah. Do you know how you win a Porrigan? Or I'm sorry, how you catch a Porrigan. Yeah. There's only one way to do it.

Starting point is 02:25:29 Only one way to do it. What is it? What city is it? Vermillion or sell it on? Yeah, yeah, sell it on. I think it's Celadon. Okay. Something like that.

Starting point is 02:25:37 It's been a while, 10 years, to be exact. Yeah. And so the way to, you have to get 9,999, like, coins. Like the most. that you can get. Right. And it takes hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of grinding. Of gambling.

Starting point is 02:25:59 Yeah. Pokemon gambling. Right. On the like slot machine. Right. And so every night for months, I knew we were going to still be. I was like, yeah, this is it. So I would play every night and get, like, save up all these coins.

Starting point is 02:26:14 And I won him a Poregon for our first year anniversary. Whoa. As like my gift to him. That's an insane. gift. Yeah. And he probably in that file caught 149 Pokemon and gave up on the Porion. I'm sure.

Starting point is 02:26:29 Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It's a great. So it's the only way to get one and you have to catch them famously. You have to catch them all. Yes. You have to. Outstanding answer. What is your favorite childhood memory? Jesus. That's a fucked up question. I love this question. Man, it's

Starting point is 02:26:49 probably something with my mom. Childhood, when does childhood end? 13. Okay. That was fucked up, by the way. What happened to you and me when we turned 13? I smoked, I smoked oregano wrapped in computer paper. I became a man.

Starting point is 02:27:08 It's over. Yeah. You know, the, the only, I'm just going to go with my first thought, which is going sledding with my whole family. That's like the only, and then eating chili after it. Oh, those are two beautiful. That is, that's as great lakes as it gets college. Yeah. Did you, did you sled when you were in Connecticut?

Starting point is 02:27:28 Oh, I tore it up. Yeah. You get it. You get it. We had a hill behind my elementary school that was like, like a man-made hill just for sledding. Just for sledding. So we would go there on snowstorm.

Starting point is 02:27:41 And I just remember thinking like, this is the happiest I'll ever feel. Like going down. You thought that in the moment? Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. It's so beautiful. And it was partly because of the chili. Like I was like, I'm going to go home.

Starting point is 02:27:52 I'm going to eat up so much fucking chili when I get home. Oh, man. I just really, again, beans. You're a chili. Oh, so you're a beans and chili. I'm, I mean, I'm a vegan. Yeah, you have to be. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:28:03 That sucks. But that's the only thing that comes to mind. That's a beautiful memory. That's a good memory. That's really nice. Really nice. With my brother too, my brother's. He's dope.

Starting point is 02:28:11 Mo Brown says, Bridie, I saw you in Berkeley. And seeing you play inspired me to pick up guitar. Wow. How's that feeling? What are your favorite songs of all time that aren't pity songs? Pity sex songs. Ooh, okay.

Starting point is 02:28:24 Well, first of all, thank you. I love that. I love that. I love people picking up instruments. I love people doing things that they aren't already good at. I think that's really cool. And, like, especially depending on age, like, it's really hard for adults to do that. Yeah, definitely.

Starting point is 02:28:41 It's really hard. That's why playing bass was hard. So, first of all, thank you. Thank you. Well, I'm good at it now, right? I think it's really important to keep doing that when you're an adult. I agree. Favorite songs.

Starting point is 02:28:56 So I don't know that many. Like I never, I didn't learn covers, really. I'm the same way. Yeah, that's like Colin. That's right.

Starting point is 02:29:04 Yeah, I just, I'm just going to learn my own songs, you know, like, or right. But I do know from first to last, Emily,

Starting point is 02:29:12 the fact that neither of you reacting to that is fucking crazy. From first to last. You know, Scrillex, right? I know the guy. I listen, Bridie, I listened to Hayprey when I was seven years old. Okay. I skipped this part of my life.

Starting point is 02:29:27 Yeah, this missed me. It just did. Okay, well, that's a mistake for both of you. I accept that. It's a, it's a, I mean, you saw my hair. No, I really did. Here it is again. smiles and her laughter.

Starting point is 02:29:39 It's the only thing that I learned. Great work, Stephen. That was one of my first songs I ever learned. Okay, okay. When my, on the strat. Oh, awesome. It's funny, I'm the opposite. I can play you any song under the sun.

Starting point is 02:29:52 None of my own, though. Hmm. I mean, I wish I could do that because then I could probably play a lot more chords. I literally started trying to learn different tunings because I was like, I think I tapped out. Like, I know I've done everything I can do with this tuning. With A440 is out. But unfortunately, I started playing and I just was doing a C chord, but like in a weird shape. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:30:17 Like, I was just like, damn it. back to... Well, it's not a C, though. It's a different key at that point, so it would be... I don't think it is. I think it's technically a C still. It was just in a different... No, so it wasn't the C shape.

Starting point is 02:30:30 Okay. Right? It was... But like, I did the... It's not math. But like, you know, I did the transposition. It's an uppercase C. No, no.

Starting point is 02:30:40 What I'm saying is... It's a different letter, but it's the same idea. It's the same exact notes. Okay. I was just, like, the tuning was just... You found them? I just found, I was like, oh, I found this dope court. Nobody else.

Starting point is 02:30:53 And it's the first one. Nobody else knows about this chord. And it's like a famous fucking guard. Gotcha. The first one. Yeah, it's literally the first chord I ever learned. First thing on piano. Okay, thank you.

Starting point is 02:31:04 That's a great. Great question. Comfort movie? I mean, dare I say, dumb and dumber. Yeah. Have you seen the slick modern thriller trailer that was made from dumb and dumber about Lloyd Christmas? Yes.

Starting point is 02:31:18 That's a phenomenal. It's a good shit. That was like pre. That was old. And so it's incredible if you really think about it. Can I just say that our interludes for the past four shows that we've played have been? They're crazy. Thank you.

Starting point is 02:31:32 And nobody has picked it up. Well, I say nobody. Nobody's said anything. They are clips from dumb and dumber. But they are. They're sick and tired of being a nobody. They are the, like they sound dramatic. We cut them before you become fun.

Starting point is 02:31:48 or silly. So, like, it can be, I got part of that idea was from the Slick Modern Thriller trailer. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah. So, yep. Comfort food. I love soup. I'm, it's just like, I mean, a can of beans, leave the, leave the, leave the, leave the beans. You eat like the villain from Dennis the Menace. It's crazy. You are. You're eating beans and soup. No, truly. And salad. That's the other thing.

Starting point is 02:32:18 I eat. Not even in like a like a, you know, there's people who do like a hearty bean salad or like they put in like other stuff. I'm putting cake. I'm putting dressing on kale. You're eating ingredients. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a dish. Yes. It has been so hard. You got through five parts of the recipe and then just quit. Yeah. I don't want all that other shit. I'm so simple. Mike, that's one of the hardest parts of being married to Mike is that he needs a meal. Yeah. And I. I'm like put some tomato sauce on some broccoli. No. And I am so happy. And when he is gone, that's when I'm eating. Like so happily, I'm like, oh, I get to eat my. My beans.

Starting point is 02:33:00 My beans and my broccoli tonight. Oh, God. You know who else is like this? Anthony. Ceremony. Yo, every single time that I would like hit him up to hang out, he'd be like, yeah, I just got some lentils on the stove. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:33:12 Oh, I feel so seen by that. I feel so seen by that. How good do the beans and Dennis the Menace look in that scene, though? They look real good. You know what else looks real good? the apple that he takes a bite on it. A apple. Great movie. I need to rewatch that.

Starting point is 02:33:26 It's weird seeing, oh, is it John Hughes? Damn. Yeah. It's weird seeing Christopher Lloyd be a bad guy, though. I don't like it. It's unnatural. He needs to not do that. Agree. Comfort music.

Starting point is 02:33:35 Comfort music. Oh, my God. Well, okay. Do we have time? Because I do listen to two songs right now. Strictly. I'm also listening to Blurier. Okay.

Starting point is 02:33:46 I have a playlist. Okay. But it, I am literally, I cannot, I don't think another word exists, obsessed with this one song. By whom? By, there's two songs, but like one of them is the primary. Okay. I'm like Paul, I'm Polly with my music. I feel like I have a primary partner in this one song.

Starting point is 02:34:07 It's by Lenny Kravitz. Now, hear me out because I don't like any, I don't like that type of music. I'm not into funk. I'm in a soul a little bit. Like, you know, I got my Tony Braxton. Yeah. But there is this one song. It's called Again.

Starting point is 02:34:22 Can we over, like, can we dub it over at some point? Really quickly. Like less than five seconds. Five seconds. Okay, yeah, okay. Okay. Okay. Or maybe we do a cover.

Starting point is 02:34:31 I don't know. So it's not fly away. Or like a dragon. Or are you going to go my way? No, no, no, no. It doesn't sound anything like that. It was like this one. magic that he had

Starting point is 02:34:48 and he put it all into this one song. I can't believe you never heard it. You've never heard it. Can I just play it really quick? Like, just please. I can't have Stephen play it. No, but I want you to hear it right now. Is that okay? You ever seen his dick pop out? Oh, it's the best. Stop! It's the best. I'm trying to be real. Can we?

Starting point is 02:35:07 That's just real. Hey, that's as real as it gets. Okay. We're listening to it really quick because this has to have this. All right. I'm ready. Beautiful song. I just wanted to give you a vibe of what the song. Never heard it. Beautiful song. It's incredible.

Starting point is 02:35:26 Okay. And I have, I'm not kidding you. I only listen to this song and this other song. And then sometimes I'll mix in a, you know, but like truly on repeat. Okay. I have an hour and a half commute. I'm listening to that song. Holy hell.

Starting point is 02:35:39 I love it. And I have written an essay on it for myself. Just I haven't shared it with anyone. Like I was like, I need to understand what is so good about this song. like that it is I can't stop thinking about it. It's so infectious and it's not something I should like. How long have you been doing this to yourself? It's been a year.

Starting point is 02:35:59 Oh my God. Legitimately it has been almost a year. You're addicted to this song. No, I am. Like it was my most played song last year and it is still my most played song. And I need everybody. Like it feels like I need to put people in a chamber and make them listen to it. Yeah, that's how torture.

Starting point is 02:36:16 talk to me about it. To validate your addiction. It's like a form of torture that the CIA uses. I don't. But truly, like, imagine, like, I would just not, I would be like, can you just play it one more time? I mean, I get when, like. I'm not telling you guys anything. You're going to have to play the song again.

Starting point is 02:36:36 I'll get into a song and listen to it nonstop for, like, a couple days for sure. Yeah. No, it's been a year. Like, I am not getting over this song. And I, but that is true. like how I experience music, I'm not getting sick of it. If I really like it, I'm going to listen.

Starting point is 02:36:52 That's beautiful. I just don't get sick of it. So that's my comfort song. Okay. It's also called again. It's called again. How about that? He knew what he was doing.

Starting point is 02:37:02 What if this is like some mind control thing? And that's how he got me. Again, CIA, MK Ultra, Dick popping out of his pants. LK Ultra. Should be real with you. Oh, my God. You just blew my mind again.

Starting point is 02:37:20 Oh, and I have seen his dick. Boom. Of course I looked that up. Yeah. It's the coolest, the funniest thing I've ever seen. Yeah. That is so funny. It's so funny.

Starting point is 02:37:32 He's so funny. He's got like a ring. And his fucking scarf. He's mid-strump. There's like a ring. It had exploded. Here's the scarf, too. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:37:45 The scarf is so funny. It's bigger. But it's also like he is so culturally relevant. He's incredible. Truly. And I literally hate all of his other songs. Yeah. He hate them.

Starting point is 02:37:57 Yeah. That American woman cover like makes me want to crawl out of my skin. Brady, this has been such a blast. Thank you so much. Having you. It's a long time coming. Thanks. I appreciate being on.

Starting point is 02:38:09 We've appreciated having you in this two hour and 43 minute episode so far. Absolutely incredible. Could you, do you have any imparting words? of wisdom you would like to leave the hard lore world with? Listen to the song again by Lenny Kravitz. Outstandable. Please and talk to me about it. Okay.

Starting point is 02:38:28 Oh. They will. They will. I would say that that is my, yeah, that would be my biggest life advice. Okay. Is there more, I should say? No, no, that's perfect. For getting like, you know, some social causes or something.

Starting point is 02:38:42 No, no, you did perfect. And then message her on Instagram for free diagnosis. Yes. Thank you so much, Brady, for joining us. Thank you all for listening and watching. Pity Sex is here to stay in many ways. See you next week. Bye.

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