HardLore - Q&A Special Part 2

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

Happy Thanksgiving from Hardlore! Enjoy this early edition of HardLore: Part Two of the 30th episode Q&A Special! Catch up with Colin and Bo as they answer the other half of your questions.   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

It's hard more time. What's wrong, man? We're both sick today. Are you still sick? No, I feel great. You're back. I'm not. No, I saw something in my throat.

But the fact that you're sick, just... Perfect, karmic retribution, right? It lifts me. You lift me up. Which God did you pray to for my downfall? Oh, this was Zoroastroism. I went deep. I went deep.

You got a, what is it called? Not a whoopee cushion. What's the voodoo doll? You got a voodoo doll. No, but yours would be a whoopie cushion. A wippy doll of your boy? Every time any of you at home listening, if you stab a wubby cushion, I feel it. That's why you have IBS or whatever you got.

Today's a big day for hard lore. Yeah, we announced the merch on the online. Online. I guess we'll start with that. Yeah, so what's cool about it is this episode, like, it'll be, it'll be, somebody's cooking their turkey right now. No, we're going to put this up a day early as a treat. On Wednesday? Yeah.

Why? Because Thanksgiving Day, everybody's with their families. They're doing stuff. They get to have this a day early as a treat. Well, either way, they might be overnight brining their turkey. That is for sure. Preparing things. Good call.

Love of Thanksgiving. What are you doing for Thanksgiving? I'm going to Texas. Oh. Oh, right on. I'm flying to Texas in 48 hours this sick. Dude. I'm a murderer.

So do you think you got sick from the show, the pay-per-view, or the flight? Let me tell you. Or all. I don't think it was the show. I don't think so either. The day after I went to the Fleshwater Coyo show. And I did some work for Days Media Group that you'll see very soon. and then I did karaoke after.

I think it was the karaoke. Ah. I did a Billy Joel song on Long Island, though. So that's like, you know. Just that's a thing. And then I woke up Saturday morning. You know that feeling? We're like, oh, it's about to be brutal.

Where your eyelids are kind of hot on your eyeballs. and you just feel your body. You just feel it. Oh my God. That was the third day of TwitchCon. I didn't. I slept until 7 p.m. Pacific. See, you're lucky though.

You're in the, like, I'm sick, so I'm going to sleep thing. Yeah. And my whole sick side effect generally is that I can't sleep. Oh, really? So I've slept about three hours. That's good. That's definitely what the doctor ordered. It's keeping me nice and sick.

How was the God's take? show. God's hate King 9. It was awesome. Exceeded expectations, I would say. Can't ask for anything better. Nearly sold out. Perfect little lineup. I guess you could ask for a little better.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, with all the factors considered, like, the youth of today was next door. So crazy. And their show was crazy. So, like, it's a great night. In New York City, baby. So I almost went, and I wonder

I wonder where I would. if you were there. Well, obviously, it would have sold out if I was, I mean, come on. What were you about to say, you son of a bitch? I wonder if I would have been over at the Youth of Today Show. Never seen him in a small venue. It was like 800 cap. Small enough.

You know what I mean? You would have watched, if we played at the same times, you would, if we counter programmed, you would have. No, because of all things considered, no, I wouldn't have. But I would have thought about it. Okay. I want to really thought about it. Let's talk about the Hardware Happy Meal. Yeah, exactly.

So for those of you who haven't seen. Yeah. Are you pulling it up behind you? I'm going to pull it up, which you know what that means. You're a profile. Hold on, hold on. He's not ready. If you're listening, Bo is his finger is up his own ass right now.

He's spinning around, and that's why it always excites me. But there he is. He's little. And now we see the hard-door happy meal created by myself and Mrs. Brittany Miller. Merch God. That's a custom-made hard-door happy meal box. Many people, I was concerned people would look at that and think the box probably isn't part of it. No, the box is part.

It's part of it. And then the shirt, it's hard-lore time. Watch. BPA-free water bottle. Sticker pack, coozy, pin pack. them are the stickers and the pins and the coozy are just for the box you can't get them outside the box

but the rest of the stuff you can buy you can get it all a cart but it's going to be more expensive That's right there's a hat too The box deal We're like losing money basically You know So I obviously buy it separate But I want everybody to have the box

You know Because it's the box is sick And most likely it never happen again Yeah So if you like it get it before we inevitably get season-desisted. Yeah, right, exactly. Exactly.

This episode is part two of the 30th episode, Q&A, it's extravaganza. So this is week 31. The performance of that last one, let me tell you. Did really well. Should do this every week. Yeah, straight up. But it's good because we didn't get to finish last time.

We could talk about this without like a guest just being like, okay, one of you guys. Okay, cool. Cool, thanks. What about me? And Collins, a little sick baby and a bastard man. So we can kind of tell them what the keep honking bumper sticker says. It says keep honking.

I'm listening to Hardlore and trying to pick up the fry, I dropped between my seats. It was way longer, but it wouldn't fit. But it was way funny. It was like center console. It was like, I'm trying to reach the fry. I dropped between my center console and my passenger. your seat and I'm having some trouble. I'm going to ask you something, Bo.

Hit me with it. Hit me with it. I want you, since karma came from me, right? Yeah. I want you to come for me. Thank God. Yeah. I want you to say something mean about me.

But that's not in my nature. I want you to, but it's, sometimes I'm sure you feel something and you go, I shouldn't say it. Well, sometimes I think that and I say, Bo, do you mind if I say this? It's just not in my name It's like it's like asking You to do just like something nice for someone It's just like no that's not okay

It's not what you do Sure you know you're a bastard man There you go You did it in a reverse way When you know I knew nice for things for people all day So you know that that's not You're letting me go to AFI And that's very nice

Yeah and I just let you in on my future. I mean, it's our. The brand is ours. You guys need to, well, I'm not going to say anything. Don't even go anymore. Colin thought of an idea that is, you'll know in like a year.

About a year from now. Yeah. Mark it on your calendars. Pretty unbelievable. By a year from now, I'll be using a fucking red epic to shoot this podcast. Straight up. I'll be, I'll be recording from my Tesla. With my winnings.

Yeah, exactly. All right. You got Instagram pulled up. Is there anything else we should catch up about? How was the pay-per-view? Oh, amazing. Yeah, it seemed like a really good one. It was the card was great.

Yep. Vives were off the charts. It started with the Danhausen pushing Tugs thing. So that was like really special, like right off the bat. Absolutely. Got to do, I went there for Knopfest. So shout out to the Not Fest who made that happen. makes this podcast happen every week, man.

Just because they like hardcore and want it to work. Isn't that nice? It's so nice. All right. First one, this is funny as the first one. Favorite Disney Channel original movie? I didn't have Disney Channel growing up. You never saw Brink?

Never. So this was always like a thing with me and Casey, Max girlfriend, she was Disney Channel kid. I was like only Nickelodeon. Never had Disney. So I was too. I didn't fuck with Disney Channel

I thought way later and somebody would have to be like Hey have you seen this Yeah And I didn't see many of them But I saw I think Brink and Smarthouse Which somebody said they like

Brink is the one that I think was like Actually kind of good And it probably sucks shit now But Which one is Brink It's like our extreme rollerblading movie Yeah Yeah

I don't know Just never had it Just didn't Wasn't around It's all right. Colin, did you ever ask your wife about the skin walkers? Yeah, she thought I was fucking crazy. P.S., what's your Wiener Schnitzel order?

Dude, do you know, tried going to the Wiener Schnitzel the first time we were ever in L.A. Because of fucking the descendants, you know, just like, we don't know what it is. The line was so long, just didn't go. Never. That, which is crazy. Yeah, yeah. I know. I know.

I'll tell you who's a Wiener Schnitzel mark. Brody King. Really? It's like his number two all time. Wow. It's like in and out, Weiner Schnitzel. What do they got? Like, what's like the thing there?

Weiner Schnitzels. I don't know how else is. What even is that? It's just a hot dog. Fried hot dog? I don't even think they have the schnitzel aspect. Yeah, right. I often,

this is a good one. I often see on social media bands visiting places like Stonehenge in the Australia Zoo. What are some famous landmarks that are a on an HXC world tour. Oh, that's a great question. Yeah, let's see. Banff in Canada is really outstanding.

What the fuck is that? It's like a national park. They have hot springs. It's like if you were to make a movie about like a ski town and there's like a murder mystery, you would film it there and it would be perfect. Let's see whatever advice you probably have for this is probably advice for me as well. because I was in the lay down and chill band. Yeah, yeah.

We always go out. Walking around London is great. Never been to Stonehenge. Walking around Paris is like actually. We had a truly monumental day in Paris today. That was probably the first, like, Paris checks off a lot of boxes that I don't like. But the few that I do like are like, I don't think you can find anywhere else. Like every you look down any direction it looks like a movie everything is super like nice and romantic even though it's like graffiti and dirty it's like still it's kind of it's kind of like New York you know it's kind of I'my but it's beautiful.

But specifically landmarks. Let me tell you where you got to go in Paris. This is going to sound insane. The Abercrombie at Fitch Store. Dude, I have tried to because we went there together. I have tried to explain that to people. They don't get it. Guys, okay, this is insane.

You can't take picks. It's very special. You can't corked a memory. Yeah. So it's a mansion. You're like walking on the main rue for shopping and shit. And it's the one that ends at the Arc de Triomp for whatever. But you go in and it's like a hedged lined walkway on gravel.

and then you walk into this mansion. Well, right out front is the sexiest man you've ever seen. With no shirt on. Yeah. Like, Chanel, you know, but in France. I don't think it's there anymore, by the way, because I've been to Paris. Yeah, I've been to Paris since and I've tried looking for it to, like, show how insane it is. And I haven't been able to find it.

But you walk in and it's like an open floor plant. Like, you know how like an embassy suites hotel is where it's like all open on the inside? Yeah. And the room's like lying. It looks like the Hogwarts moving stairs. Exactly. And there's people without shirts on dancing to techno. Just like.

And if you try to take pictures, they'll like watch you delete it. Yeah. You can't. Yep. Can't document it. I had a video of me filming someone and a guy being like, no, no, no camera. Like, but it's on an old phone or whatever. But that was crazy.

Australia. Like the Harbor Super Runei. The jump spot in the harbor is fucking amazing. We always go there. Yes, the koala pine reservation place. Yeah, I mean, that's a staple. He brought that. He said the Australia Zoo, but there's two places.

There's the kangaroo sanctuary and the koala sanctuary. The koala one's the one where you can get in for being in a band. So we've been there three out of three times. Japan, everywhere you go is a landmark. Every corner is something. Every vending machine, you're like, yo. Do you have a favorite, though? Like a place where you're like, this is just like awesome.

Like, is anything? No, no, in general. Anywhere. Okay. I mean, I really like New York City. It makes me feel good, you know. I get to have my little main character moment every day where I'm getting on the L onto the O, into the P.

You know? Yeah. And to the, to the queue, perhaps. And I love, I mean, anywhere in Japan, like the Osaka Temple, anywhere I can buy stuff, I'm like having the best time. Dude. You know this about me. Have you ever been to Epcot Center?

Never. I've never been to world. Okay. So they have a, like, there's like, it's either 12 or 14. different countries that surround this lake. Right. And when you go there, they have shit. You can only, literally only get in Japan, in Germany, in England, whatever.

And then they have people who are working there who are like German and who are Japanese and who are from Mexico. And they got a red light district at Epcot. Yeah, Amsterdam. But the last time I went there, the Japan area was like incredible. had all the shit from Japan. Wow. Just union? They got a disc union there?

I don't know. That didn't stay long enough. Yeah, you can go to Epcot, find a medium sheer terror shirt. Sick. All right. What's next year? I also really like, I'm sorry to interrupt again, but I also really like, I don't like Berlin, but I like, I like, I like parts of it. Like, I like going to the Brandenburg gate and, like, just look at it.

at all the embassies and thinking of like what this was like in the 60s, you know, stuff like that. In Berlin one time, I got bamboozled so fucking bad by this like street gambling guy. Really? He fucked me. What do you do? I had like 100 euros. And I was like, this is so easy. And what he does it, he rigs it because he's doing the like, which hand is the dice in type thing.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. And there's three people with me who are like getting it right and he's giving them money. Mm-hmm. But they're with him. So I'm watching it and I'm like, this is so easy. These guys keep winning. How can I lose?

Yeah. So I do it and I win. And I'm like, I'm staying. And then I lose 100 euros. And then when you're walking away, they're like, no, no, no, come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They fuck me. Classic.

Crush me, man. Wow. If you had to shit without your phone, what would you do instead? It's a great question. Read the shampoo bottle. I've been known The he ate without YouTube meme The guy being like carted off to the hospital

It was like, what happened to? That's me for real Oh, a major development for me In my bathroom I have a heated bidet now Wow Isn't that huge? It's great

How long do you sit there with that stream Just firing up the hole? Longer than I thought I would Oh, it's the best I'll tell you what, though, it took, it takes a long time for the hot water to get going. That's on your plumbing, though. That's not. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

But then I let it go too long and I got a little. You burned your arshould? A little bit, I think. I'll tell you what it's done for me. It's, it's kind of cursed me. Because now when I'm away from home for one day, my ass is bleeding. First time I wipe with single ply, I'm done for. just too sensitive.

Any less than two, and I'm actually like, it's like... It's half blood. A little chocolate snowflake. I'm a little purpley princess, man. Give me a break. Best worst place you've done a number three on the road. Also, if Bo doesn't do white sauces, does that include lotion? I don't eat lotion, typically.

Ew. Number three, is that throwing up? Yeah, I guess is that all three? I don't know what that is. Number three, I think is throwing up. You think that's throwing up? One is P-P. Have you ever peaked on stage?

Oh, absolutely. Really? Master Killer in Europe. It was like day one or two of tour. I was like, yeah, let's just do, let's throw Master Killer on. They want one more. And it was like, in time, my full-on, like, Taylor Young style. Did you project?

Oh, big time. Wow. The worst, I mean, I told it on Hardlord before, but the worst vomit I've ever done is on the Harry Potter ride. Gnarly. Shut the fucking whole thing down. I've never puked on stage. I've never had an incident.

Why would you though? Knock on wood. Well, just eating and I jump around a lot. And I do do some backups, you know, and that is the kind of guttural. Yeah, you do do for sure. You know, but I've been fine. Sure.

Closest moment to breaking edge. Wow. Wow. You got that? I mean, do you even think about it? Watching Mad Men? Yeah, watching the Sopranos It's just wanting wine

My closest moment to breaking edge is seeing a man Smoke a cigarette In general But then you smell So I definitely was like Was a bamboozled by By Sigs again being like Damn these guys look so fucking cool

And then you smell them for one second And you're like oh you're a piece of shit My mom Used to chain smoke in the house Just constant So like that smell equals like weird home nostalgia and then my mom. But like the bad kind.

The bad kind. Yeah, because it's exactly. So if I meet someone and they smell like that, it's like, oh, it's just like a strange, happy to say she's quit and she's been good. Yeah, my dad just smokes hell of weed now. I think if I, if I were to break edge, it would certainly be down the THC route.

Not me. I think that smells worse than safe. It seems, no, no, but not smoking necessarily. Like a tincture or an edible or something. Like that seems to be like... What is that one? Suppository?

Yeah, suppository, for sure. They got that? Suppository THC? I'm sure they do. Huge market. Mine would probably be crack or heroin, I think. Spoke this fucking crack with B-Pro. Yeah.

Closest moment to breaking edge for real, though, was after my appendix. to me. Really? And I had the Norco prescribed to me. Oh. That's not breaking edge.

No, no, that's not what I'm saying. Oh. But I was like, I felt so good. CBD suppositories. I felt

what, 40 bucks? Yeah, 40 bucks. To add to carts. But they were so good. I felt so good that I was like, okay,

I get it now. You know, I understand. That when, when my prescription ran out, I was like bummed, you know? Ah, I see, I see. I have a, I have a weird thing with,

with different kinds of opiates and stuff like that, where I don't react the same. When I had my appendectomy, I woke up from the anesthesia and I was nauseous for days. I've tried Cratum and for like pain relief and like inflammation. And that made me puke. I got really like nauseous and dizzy. one time in Brooklyn on tour

I blew my like threw my back out while we were playing Chris had recently had his wisdom teeth removed and had Vicodin with him just as like it just like You told this year before and I took half of it kept me up all night So I just like I don't respond My mom's the same body likes him My mom's the same way

See for me I haven't slept good since I see I took Norco and slept 14 hours And like now my body's been chasing that ever since. Uh-huh. So it wants to, my body wants to be fat as fuck and. Sleepy. Just so addicted.

Just like. Colin, you mentioned that when you go number two, you get your feet all the way up into the bowl. Yes, I do. So I'll sit there and straight up. I hate to say that I refuse to accept this to be reality. It's real. I, I, I, my, Lana bought a squatty potty, but this is my move. But you're only really doing it at home.

You're bigger than me. How do you fit? I'm 10 times more flexible than you, too. Colin, it doesn't take a fucking gymnast to put your legs up, brother. It does. It does. How do you physically fit on that seat? I make it work.

Like Tim Gunn says. Make it work. That is, you don't find that to be strange? I do, but I find it to be effective. Most of all, you know? Because, like, I've seen the diagram. where it's like, here's what happens when you squat versus not. And it's like the sphincter like getting like pinched by something.

Yeah. So I get that. Speaking of sphincter getting pinched by something. I'm going to try something live on the show real quick. I have a weird like, Jesus. This is like caffeinated greens. Oh, you're going to shit your brains out.

Let's see what happens. I'm scared. How is it? What I was doing keto, I used to take these poised. to greens and they would make me very regular for sure. Great.

Mount Rushmore of Harkor Records. That's a good question. That's a great question. We probably have really close but very different. You know what I mean? Like they're not going to be the same, but I might think they would be identical.

No. I think only Master Killer is probably each of our. So for me it would be Master Killer. Um, the turning point LP. Yeah. Uh, uh,

I guess I would put Asia Quoral on there, even though I would, I'd rather. We're talking like, yeah, but we're just talking. Best of the best. Yeah.

You know, I guess a little bit of favorite, a little bit of best. Yeah. And then probably we're not in this alone. I'd probably put Master Killer's satisfaction. Mm-hmm. Asia Quoral.

Right side. Ooh. Easy. Killing time and like the raw deal demo. I might do victim of pain over age of quarrel. But I think I would, I think right now if I was like, do you want to listen to either or I probably listen to age. It's been a while, you know? Isn't it funny that we just listed only like only basically New York bands and Connecticut? Yeah, just the way it goes, you know.

Oh shit. You know what? I never fed them. Y'all ain't eaten for a while. Sorry. What is your favorite song from your most disliked band slash genre? Another good question. Easy answer for me. I have one as well. The Deftones Diamond Eyes song, I think, is good. It's a great song.

And it's because the verse is just like, B, B, B, B, B, B, B, B, B, B, B. We did a tour, and every time I die, as tour manager slash sound guy, Ben, would EQ rooms to that? And when you can hear that song, like loud and EQ'd for a room, it's genuinely very impressive how that thing sounds in a room. It sounds good. There's a song called Little Bit of You by Chase Bryant. Is that a country song?

It's like a, but like a modern country song that just sounds like a fucking pop punk song. You hate, you hate modern country? Yeah, that's not. That's really not for me, especially when it's like, lips up, panel, flip, Carolina. There's like rapping sometimes, you know, and it's like very much would be played on that radio station. Yeah. Do you know the song?

That was funny. I was laughing. I had it muted because I was blowing my nose. The one that's like, I can use a little bit of your sweet kiss. Yeah, I think I've heard it. Because you and I had this conversation at some point. It's an incredible song.

Terrible genre. Well, there you go. That's a great question. Was it a deliberate decision? for the vocals to sound like odorous Orungus on the Dead Body album? No. Star Wars ranked. This goes crazy.

Yeah, this is tough. We haven't really talked about this. Are we going like movies or shows too? I don't know the show, so let's just keep it to movies. You haven't? Are you serious? Give me a break. Okay, brother. There's like 14 movies, all these goddamn Disney shows. I don't

have time. You ever watched The Mandalorian? I watched Mandalorian. It was good. You're a fucking loser. and I love you. No, I mean, I watched it, but then I started watching fucking Kenobi and it was terrible. It's not the same. I can't. Dude, andor is going to bring you right back.

That's what I've been told. It is a masterpiece. That's what I've been told. Like the fucking Star Warsness aside, it's just a perfect, like, spy thriller. Oh, okay. And it's like, it's done in little arcs. So the first three episodes are a build. 4 to 6 is a build

7 to 10 is fucking like an explosion Oh that's fun Okay And then 11 and 12 11 is building to the finale is next week And holy fuck man Oh okay cool

Well if it's If the finale is last week Then I can get into it It is because I can do you But let's do this question I like this How do you feel about the last three The newest three

I think Force Awakens is like A good nostalgic movie That's seven right The first one back. It's borderline a remake. It's fun to watch. Yeah. I think the last shit.

Yeah. I think The Last Jedi is one of the best Star Wars movies. Okay. And obviously, Rises Skywalker is do-doo. Do do pooh. Do you like The Last Jedi even with the fucking casino planet bullshit? I mean, obviously that's not great. And that girl rose?

I think I think she got a bad rep. I think she could have been used better, but I think the idea of her was cool. I think, I think you're, it's like, those things have always kind of existed in Star Wars in some way, you know? The annoying side quests that are there for kind of a reason. But obviously the disjointedness of the three is the problem. They were three different ideas that turned into one and a half ideas. And then the fucking, what do you call the words at the beginning? It's called something.

The title, like scrolling text. Yeah, like at the beginning of the last one was just, I remember seeing in the theater and people being like, what? Like out loud audibly. Yo, Palpatine's speech was Fortnite exclusive. He recorded a speech that was like, here's why I'm back. Fortnite exclusive. All right.

So let's start it. Let's do, do you want to, we got to include Rogue One, obviously. Obviously. Absolutely. And then solo, I guess. Is that the only other standalone movie? Movie, yeah. I don't really care about solo.

Either way. It's just kind of there. So if you want to do, let's do 10, including Rogue One. Empire Strikes Back. You're going at the top? I'm going to top. I mean, you want me to go reverse? I'll go reverse.

Yeah, let's go reverse. Okay. Attack the Clones number 10. Yeah, that's number two, right? Or is that three? That's two. It's two. Yeah, I agree. That movie is so.

Dude, the Django Fet Chase thing at the beginning is one hour. The movie just starts and nothing important happens. It's all like a visual aspect for one hour. What's the third one called episode three? Revenge of the Sith. The first half of that is also whatever, but then it's unbelievable. Yeah. I mean, there's also the end of attack of the clones.

It's like Yoda versus Palpatine or Yoda versus Duku is insane. It's very cool. The whole geonosis, like, Coliseum thing is dope. Let's see. Attack of the clones. Yeah. Number 10. I agree with that.

I'll probably go Phantom Menace number nine. Really? Even for nostalgia? Here's the thing, man. Yeah. You watch it again. It's raw. It's crazy.

The fucking battle on Nabu. It's basically about UPS and FedEx. Yeah. Run in the galaxy. You know, it's an evil shipping company. And it's like, what child would A, know what the fuck you're talking about? B, find it interesting. We want to see Darth Moll.

And he's in three scenes. Dude. But those three scenes. One of the best tweets I've ever read was like, you know it was on bad when, when dude, ghost rode his bike into a fucking mountain just to fight. What's his face? Leibnison. That was awesome. Quang on. Okay. So, and then would you put two at...

I'd go attack the clones, Phantom Solo. Ah, yeah. Yeah. I might put Solo even lower than Phantoms just because... Just for nostalgia's sake, because at the time, Phantom Menace was so sick. Like, I loved it when it came out. See, I remember being kind of... I was... So, Phantom Menace, I think, was the first time. There was a vivid first time where I saw a movie. And I thought, okay, that was bad. They make bad movies.

That's interesting. I didn't know that. And that movie was Sky Captain in the world of tomorrow. Okay. I saw it in theaters and thought, damn, bad movies are real? Like, why do they make them then? Phantom Menace was the first time where I started to question.

Because I had only been exposed to dope shit my whole life, you know? And then that came out. And I remember thinking like, that, could it be possible that I'm missing something? Like I made me need to see that a few more times and then you grow up and realize it's just fucking wacky. There's cool shit. Locking my cats up so they don't. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, there's cool shit, but.

Who, got the pod racing game. I got it right there. That was good. And 64. The game was good. The Phantom Enous game. It played like the Indiana Jones, the fate of Atlantis game. It was cool.

Right. I forgot. Okay. So what's... Rises Skywalker would be next. Above solo or above episode three. No, three is above Rise Skywalker. Okay.

And solo. Yeah. Okay. So it's right now it's attacking a clones. Let me, hold on. We have this. Are we doing this? Are we making one joint list?

Is that what you're trying to do? I'm mostly in agreeance with you so far. Okay. So what was 10? You're going to disagree up top, I bet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's where all to be good. Yeah.

10 was. Attack the clones. Attack of clone. And then phantom. This would be 11 movies, I believe, also. You're right. Okay. So then this would be solo, right?

Yeah. So 11 attack, 10, phantoms. Nine, solo. Eight. Rise of Skywalker. Yeah. Yeah. That was the last one, right?

Yeah. Garbaggio. Revenge of the Sith, probably right here. Yeah, because now you're getting in, yeah. Getting into the goats, you know. Yeah, actual goats. I probably have a Force Awakens right here. That's fair.

Now it's nice. So now you got four, five, and six. And Rogue one. Rogue one. New Hope number four. Wait, why am I missing one? Wait, are there five left? Yeah, there's five left.

New Hope number five. Okay. Watching it back, not easy. New Hope? Not easy. There's some, there's some just like. It's obviously a technical creative Marvel. Yeah.

You know, and it is the source of all this, but they made better movies. Oh, yeah. What was crazy is New Hope was nominated for every Oscar. Really? Empire Strikes Back was nominated for like visual effects. only when it's so objectively better

you know yeah but also George Lucas I think had to leave the director's guild because of the opening credits of Star Wars not being opening credits

he was like booted from the director's guild for not there's some kind of lore there I don't know this ain't that's not the name of the show no wait we have Rise of Skywalker Force Awakens

what's the other one The Last Jedi. Last Jedi. Number four. Really? So, yeah, I would disagree with you there for sure. I love it. I did not enjoy that. I love it. I think if you watch it again with your boy. I have. I have. Oh, well, yeah, okay. With your boy. Where I can pause it and go, here's why this is good.

No, where would you put four, five and six? Or I'm sorry. Rogue one, five and six. I'll probably go Jedi. Three? Yeah. Yeah. And then Rogue one. Yeah. Empire. Yeah. So I agree with the whole list minus Last Jedi and I would just put that down. I put Force Awakens. I think today if you watched both of those movies back to back, you would tell me that the Last Jedi is a better movie than a new hope.

I mean, I've probably watched it eight months ago. Two day. Back to back. That's the thing. Four to eight. You ain't never done that. Tell you that much. You would tell me.

That's my list. But above all of that is Mandalorian. Really? And right next of it is Andor. Mandelorian wouldn't have been shit if it wasn't for the end of the second season. You're an idiot. It just would have been like a cool show, but it wouldn't have meant anything. That's not true.

Absolutely is true. It is absolutely incorrect. I think it's a good show. I popped for the end. I cried. Love you don't you didn't you don't know shit Okay but it just would have been a show if not for that You are listen you've you've tread dangerous grounds before with me

But you ain't never been you ain't never been in quick sand We should do it let Adelaide is I should do this with like Harry Potter Lord of the Rings The other big ones Fire it up brother Let's go fire it up Well new document hit it You want a new one right now? Yes

All right. Lord of the Rings. That's just one through six. Which is funny because it's kind of... I'm including the Hobbit with it, obviously. Which is stupid. You know? Hobbit two, bottom.

Yeah. Hobbit three, second bottom. Yeah. Hobbit one. Third bottom. It's so hard because... But I got it. It's two towers, three.

Return to Fellowship. Fellowship? Yeah, I would disagree with that. But fellowship is the most rewatchable thing maybe ever. You know? Which one have you seen the most? Return to the King. Really?

I love Return to the King. Okay. I mean, I do too. That's the thing. This is a hard three. Yeah. When the Rotterim shows up at Ministurith. I'm with you.

This isn't a matter of gold, silver, bronze. No, it's a matter of platinum, platinum. This is, yeah, this is diamond. platinum gold, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but he does the fucking ride, ride now. Yeah. I need to get, I've been trying, I've been wanting to get the fucking Narsil on my wall over here. I got to just do it. Yeah, you got to do it. I'll just do it. But I'm gonna reorganize this whole thing soon. I fucking love it. Let's do Harry Potter. That's way harder. Yeah, it's way harder. How many are there? How many movies? There's nine movies. Eight movies.

We're not counting Fantastic Bees. No, but I thought There was like a... No, there's seven books and then a part two. Okay, gotcha. Eight is... Order of the Phoenix? Think about it. I guess it has to be, huh?

Dolores Umbridge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's such a fucking piece of shit villain that it makes the movie hard to watch. Yeah. She's so hateful and vile that the movie is bad because of it. And that's a testament to how good the person.

performances, you know? Right. Yeah. I mean that as nothing but a compliment. I would then probably put Deathly Hollows. Deathly Hollows one. That's six and seven. Are you fucking kidding me?

Yeah. Oh, I think you're smoking that good, good crack, dude. I just, um... You got to hold to the wrong stuff. Well, my theory is it's cast in the shadow. From the other limb. I, uh, the part of the part of the shadow. with Dobby was one of the most difficult things for me to ever watch.

Wow. Like no joke. It fucked me. I would put one as seven. No, I really would. Now I probably would. I'd put Deathly Hollow's one as seven.

You think Deadly Hollow's, you think all the rest of the movies are better than, like, genuinely better movies than Deathly Hollow's Part 2? Maybe not like Chamber of Secrets. Chamber of Secrets goes hard. That's what I'm saying. But that's like the only one.

Because I think in like God... Directed by your boy. Christopher Columbus. Chris. Um, birth name, Chris. Not even Christopher. There's, it's not shortened. It's just Chris.

Christoff. Did you like that message this morning? What did I say with it? Yeah, I don't know. Some fucking bullshit. I posted, I sent him the screenshot and just said, die. What I was going to say is goblet of fire is when it gets serious. Yeah.

I love that. That's the, yeah, that's the paradigm shift. Well, I will say, Ascaband ain't, Ascaband is, I mean, we're, we'll get there. Yeah,

I mean, that's number one, that's number one. That's number one, we know that. It's objectively the best movie, you know? Yeah.

Just put it in there. Yeah, it's in there. Number two is sorcerer stone, right? Dude, yeah, absolutely. Philosopher's stone. Yeah. They think we're so fucking stupid. Sorcer's.

That we couldn't say, Like, Americans don't know what a philosopher is. They know sorcerers and magic. These fucking losers. Crazy. Three would be... Goblet Chamber, Deathly 2, and then the half-lox is. I would put Deathly 2 at 3, but that's just me.

Because that's... I will say, dude, that when Molly Weasley... That is a part. Yeah. All right. The whole movie is a war. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's sick. And I love the, like, have you seen Voldemort laughing in other languages, like on TikTok?

No. It'll be overdubs from other languages, and it'll be like, eh, ha, ha, ha, ha. Like, it's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll be like German. So then we got Goblet. Goblet's next. Goblet's next. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Goblet. And then it's got to be chamber. I put Chamber. Yeah. Then Halfblood, for sure. Half flood is cool because I'm the half blood prince. Obviously. Good list. Great list.

That was fun. I'll do this anytime. Now, now how about this, Colin? Even with the bullshit Hobbit movies, rank series, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Indiana Jones,

Back to the Future. Damn. Yeah, right? Star Wars is number one for me. Star Wars number one. With a bullet. I don't have two fucking Lord of the Rings swords

on my thing over here, you know. You could. You really could. I could. I want one. I would want. I want, I would want, I would want, I want Sting and Narsal. You know, so that I could easily have to. And Lord of the Rings takes it for me. I know that. You're a big fantasy dude guy, though. You're a little elf. Elf,

you think elves are so sexy, right? Yeah, yeah, for sure, dude. I get it. Me too. It's funny to go from this. What was the gnarliest shit you took on tour? I don't, I'm, I'm, I'm very blessed with my, my colon, I guess. I don't, I don't often have problems on tour. I just don't.

I'm the kind of guy or I get a coffee and then within an hour, it's, I'm ready to go. And it's great. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy, man. My answer is a little different. As I've said on the show before, I've never left dinosaur barbecue with my underwear. That's just a fact.

And I've been there probably five times. That's so insane. I've never left the building without touching cotton. I have, well, Warp Tour. I had to shit on top of like a pile of shit. Because it's all Port-a-Ponty. Oh, well, of course. So it's, you know, but this is when it was piled over the seat.

So I just had to like stand. Bad, really bad. It's hot. Can I, can I, I got to, I forgot I had to print a attraction for something real quick. So at full gear. I ran into Tom Sheehan, friend of the show, host of Axtragrind. He damn near broke my heart. Let me tell you why.

Uh-oh. He was listening to an episode where I said that the live Axtragrine was like a bad idea because it was three podcasts back to back. And he was like genuinely hurt thinking that I would be smerch, Axtragrind, and or Tom. Tom Live on the show You're my special boy Okay

Wait I love Tom I'm talking to Tom Bo you are my number one boy Okay Okay You're my number one special boy Okay

Tom Tom let me just go through The Axe to Grind panel Real quick Tom Sheehan Yeah Day one Twitching Tugs guy

You know Great A very vocal supporter Right off the bat Would never be smirching Pat Kimlin.

The 25-minute interview I did with him for an office is probably the actual reason this podcast exists. Yeah. Yeah. Boom. He told me to never wore shorts again. I never did. Three. Bob Shed.

A strange notes, Colin Young supporter since I was 14 years old. An original champion of my creative endeavors. So for the record, hard lore. There's no hard lore without extra grind. There's no me without those three guys, basically. Huh, interesting. I didn't even take away that sentiment from what you said. It broke his heart, and that broke my heart.

And I just kept texting him after Tom. I can't believe you would think I would do that to you. No, yeah. No, no, no. I just had to clear that up real quick. Tom, is my special boy. What's the best thing you've won during McDonald's Monopoly? Fucking fry or something?

Dude. I've never won shit. Why not us, man? This kid, Victor Upton, I went to school with. Sorry for doxing you, Victor. They're going to come for your PSP now. But he won a PSP. I would, that's the most envious

of anything I've ever been in my life. Have ever told my Starburst story on the show? Tell me the Starburst story, Bo. They did a thing when I was in grade school where it was, in every pack of Starbursts, There was a question mark wrapped mystery flavor. Oh, right. Dude, you got the thing?

So I guessed that it was plum. And I got a letter back that was like, congratulations, you won a free pack of Starburst. Like, come on. That's it. That's what I got. You must have been like the second guy then. Because I think the winner got like $25,000.

I think it was $50,000. Runner up $25,000. Third runner up. Pack of Star Wars. Backstar, I mean, you're not going home, empty-handed, brother. Yeah, brutal. That's fucked, man.

Brutal. Yeah, never won good. Wish I did. This one for both of you, did you ever get into Woods of Epris? Or were they too much of a shitty typo worship band? Okay, I wouldn't call him that.

The guy literally passed away. Oh, really? Yeah, he's, I think he died in a car accident or something. They were like the most typo sound-alike band, and there was definitely for that, That was the reason why I was like, yeah, I'm not sure this is for me. But let me tell you, man, I downloaded every single one of them records and listened to every single one of them songs looking for something.

And then, like, the guy just tragically died. Wow. Yeah, I think it was like a solo project or just the main guy. Is it spelled YPR? Yes. Iper. That's a major battlefield in Belgium. Woods of Eepers.

Men drowned in mud. Which, by the way, did you watch All Quiet on the Western Front? Not yet. This is dope? Pretty fucking good, yeah. You liked it? Yeah, yeah, I did. This is good.

Botox of having an 8 to 5. My question is, when does a band know it's safe to quit their jobs and live off making music? Merch money, and does all that money get split between band members, their label, et cetera? And if Colin can retell the Sorcerer's Pledge story involving Brody King, that would be great. Oh, I don't even know if I know that story. I would say don't ever quit your job. No. Like if you can make it both happen,

make it both happen until you literally cannot. Yeah. I had a job that I worked at for like six or seven years until I had to quit for Warp Tour. There was just like way too much at once. They couldn't do it. Right. You know what I mean?

And everyone else in my band has a job. Like to this day, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you have a job. Yeah, I have a job. It's just, uh, like, there are very few bands within our world who can live solely off the band. Very few.

It's very true. And, uh, otherwise you're just, you're, you're touring all the time. Yeah. Neither of us are in one of those bands. So, yeah, and I don't want it for all the time. And when it comes to, you, so. And when it comes to, you. Started a podcast.

We started a podcast. We started a podcast. When it comes to, I would say most bands aren't doing anything with their label when it comes to merch. Yeah. And it depends on the set up. Other than the two shirts that they get for the pre-order or whatever. And that's just a recoup. It depends on the setup of the band of how they split money and how they do stuff.

You know, typically you're paying off a lot of merch debt before you're splitting anything. And that's like, so think about this. Think about this math, listener. Yeah. You see a band selling a shirt for 25. you're bummed about it. You're like, holy shit, 25, that's getting high.

Even 30, in God's hate's case, because we like big, colorful stuff and nice brands and whatnot. Six people in the band. It costs, at this point, with screens and everything, $12 to $15 to make. You know?

Shirts ain't $4 anymore. Yeah. So the multi, the five, six, seven color shirts are expensive to make. So let's say every shirt the profit margins $15.

Divide that by six. And then add shipping and stuff. Add shipping, add any leftover merch bills from the previous time that you're just riding out. We're not making shit. Post Malone shirts are $80 for a reason.

You know? Yeah. So look out for $80 hard. You heard it here first. Can you guys weigh in on your thoughts? Oh, the Brody King Socialist Pledge. Oh, yeah. What is that?

I had a little solo project. called Sorcer's Pledge. It came out in 2012. I did a demo, tape, and I wrote an LP. I tried to shop the LP around, didn't really have much interest, recorded, like, really bad demos of it that don't exist. I don't even have them anymore.

But the songs kind of ended up dissected amongst Twishing Tongues, Gaining Purpose, God's Hate Mass Murder, and some other stuff. They're all, the parts are out there. And I thought about, I hit Martina up about maybe opening for Candlemas when they played here. And he thought it was a cool idea.

So I said something on Twitter like, I think Sorcercer's Pledge, maybe we'll finally play a show. Because I, like, those first three songs are the first three songs that like only I wrote. You know, I didn't have any help. It was just a thing I made. And he responded with a gif of Anna. from Frozen singing Let it go And I never

I've talked about it since It was like all right I'm done This man this man just bulliekinged me Into never talking about this band again It's so good I'm gonna go to dynamite I'll be seeing him in a couple days You ready?

No You prepping ahead of time You can work some gloves Dude I'm bummed I meant to buy the sting gloves At full gear I didn't, I forgot. They should be giving them to me at this point.

Can you guys weigh in on your thoughts on the new trend of pits doing weird stuff just to try to go viral online? Yeah, that sucks. I fucking hate it. The show, like if you look at, and this is very old, old man of me, you know, but if you look at videos of like CB's shows and, like old like fucking even 90 like any hate breed show or like whatever like

the band is the focus the pit is the reaction not the other way around right the shit is fucking stupid stage diving started because people would try to get on stage sing along and then jump off

before the bouncer could catch them not to do a backflip well I love a backflip but you know what I'm saying as people like doing the row like doing the fucking look Oh, but that, dude, I saw that the other day. That's like, the band asks for that. Okay, well, outside of the band asking for that and the one video you're talking about.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like some, some fucking, I don't know, what's the, what's the smallest village you can think, village you can think of in Germany? Al-Huhafen. Yeah, Auschhafen. That's where they do that. Now it's happening in Topeka, you're telling me. Yeah, right.

So that they can be on TikTok? Push-ups in the people. or stupid, like, any, like, any of that stuff for you. I mean, and this, we disagree on this, but I genuinely mean it, like, even when it goes to, like, like, like, like, fighting and just like, I don't like, I don't like it. Shut up, dude, you fucking. But, like, throwing, like, throwing garbage cans and stuff, like, making it. See what I'm saying.

But, like, taking the attention away from the band to me is bullshit. Well, to me, I look at that as this was so fucking hard that I had to, to throw this garbage can. So when I see a garbage can fly, I'm like, I'm doing a great job. When I see a guy rowing a paddleboat, I think why I must be boring because this guy's trying to get everybody's attention, you know? Yeah, yeah. I don't like the weird stuff.

Kill each other. I hate the words. I want fucking manslaughter. I want murder in the second. There's a live sheer terror recording where he's like, the last time we were here, there's like 30 million fights going on. Do not disappoint us. I'm down with that.

It's a good vibe. Do spin kicks have an age limit? Yeah. Not yet. You're a fucking eight-year-old little boy spin kicking, like a fucking loser. Excuse me? What's that?

I'll kick your head off. I know you can. With ease. Not very tall. Even if you were. I just, I don't, like I don't give a shit about spin kicks or whatever, and people who can make them look good, can make them look good for sure.

But it's still, you're spin kicking. Like, it's still just like a funny thing. It's not funny. It's very funny. It's scary. I've never been afraid of a spin kick. Not once. And I would never be afraid of yours.

Hey, in the words of the Southern Lord guy, when Nails told him he couldn't get a guy on the guest list, noted and remembered. That's pretty hard for it. That's pretty hard for. That's hard more. Why the fuck do all the bands who go to Australia skip on New Zealand? Sure, we're smaller, but we go harder because we're hungrier.

So every single time we've ever been there, we ask about New Zealand. And for the most part, it's the same reason why we've never been to Ireland, which I've heard also has good shows. It's just like, if a band isn't, if it doesn't fiscally make sense, it's not going to happen. And that's just how it works, you know? Traveling is not free, unfortunately, if it was. I'd do it all the time. We'd play anywhere.

You guys got to remember we're checking three guitars, merch, however the drum shit worked out, plus our actual bags. Like, flying anyone way is going to be 500 bucks. Easily. That's just backs. That's just back. Yeah, that's just backs. That's not the cost of tickets. That's not the cost of getting to the airport.

So all of that has to factor into the guarantee. and if it's like, okay, we could do that or we could play two extra shows in Australia, not have to fly, go to the beach, and make more money. Also, flying sucks and wrecks your body. Flying with a band is awful. Yep. Amen, brother. Who wins in a pizza death match?

Connecticut bar pie, New York style, Chicago Deep Dish. Get Chicago Deep Dish. I'm sick of that. I went to Piquas last night with Code Orange. They're here for a little while. How to go. I mean, the pizza was great. Pepsi products bummed me out.

You know, place is falling. It's going downhill. Dude, imagine for one second, though, I think I figured out what hell is to me. Pizza without a Diet Coke. Yeah. Yeah. I had Dr. Pepper. That's great.

But it wasn't diet. Yeah, you know, it was still just like, ah. That's a meal. Yeah, yeah. I got my cows in last night. For sure. Food was great, but I'm just like, I'm over it. I'm over the deep dish for now.

I have it, I have it too much. I would put in New York slightly above Connecticut, only because there's, there's like, Connecticut has the, a Beetz style, you know, the New Haven style. And New York has many. And that might be blasphemous cover. I don't want to get killed. I'd put Detroit above them both. Both?

It's like perfect for me, dude. It's perfect. Yeah. Yeah, but again, that's a one-dimensional pie. You know, I'm a big fan. I love it. It's a one-dimensional pie. What is a multi-dimensional pie?

I would say, but it's not that. It's just that there's one dimension in Detroit. I sound crazy right now. Yeah, he's not very sick, and it's good because you're a real bastard man. Blow your little bastard nose. Here it comes. Say something. Can you hear it when I'm being muting it when I blow.

Can you hear it? No, can't hear a thing. Oh, good. You're good. So anyway, what I was saying was Jesus. But yeah, Chicago is at the bottom. Deep dishes at the bottom. And I get what you mean, the sentiment with the torso,

because it is, but that's a thing where I get to eat it a few times a year and it feels special, you know? Okay. Yeah. But I could do a different aspect of New York slice every day of the week. Now, if you throw in Chicago tavern style like thin crust square cut, that's where my head's at when it comes to pizza from here. It's like ultra thin.

People don't understand that yet though. It'll, it'll get there for sure. And I'll fucking love it. What's the best hand soap to use after blowing up a bathroom? Dude, loves cherry, gritty. That stuff is crazy. The grease shit, like it's so you can get like axle grease off of your hands. Dude, that stuff smells so fucking good and feels so good to exfoliate.

I'll tell you what I like is a foaming I'm a foaming hand soap man be the bath and body works Christmas the holiday ones yeah there's like a toasted marshmallow one or something fuck off it's unbelievable what's the um like Target sells it but it's like mayors they make hand soap dish soap and like a spray like cleaner they just they had a fall one one was fallen leaves oh And it smelled straight up like wet leaves. It was great. Yummy. Best slash worst band shirt designs. Do we? Do we? I think we kind of talked about that.

What were some scrap names for the podcast before Hardlore was born? Were there any? Dude. A lot of stuff with Hardlore takes very, like, like someone will say something. And it's just like, oh, well, there it is. It's like, you know, like, every decision that we make is a conversation that is. Like hauntler was like obvious. Hot lore was like, well, there.

Yeah. There it is. Hard more for what we did. Like all of it, like. Every aspect. Everything. I'm lair in it, which is coming up on the merch menu. I'm lower in it.

Crazy. That's the worst shirt design. Yeah, we've totally covered that, right? Because we talked about the typo one. Yeah, yeah. True, true. And the angry brood's font. Yeah, fucking hell.

I need to know the hard lore stance on the McRib. you a fan? I'm a big fan. Big slices of onions. I'm opposed. Pickles. Why is that? I don't know. I just don't think it tastes good. I wish it did. I would love to have another thing, you know?

I was such an idiot as a kid, and I thought, I was like, why would you get that on a sandwich? You have to avoid the bones. Yeah. I mean, that's next level stupid. Yeah, it's a dumb kid. Yeah, I just don't, it's just not for me. Rather have a Big Mac, you know. Oh, this is a good one for today.

All right, hold on. Have either of you brought a hometown band on tour and they embarrassed you in some way? No. No. Have I been the hometown band that embarrassed? Yeah, right. Probably. I've been embarrassed by people doing the like being nice, basically, and being like, big fan.

Thanks for watching. where it's just like, ha ha, thank you. You know, like I don't... To you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've been embarrassed in that way, but never... Because you're just like, come on,

I'm just a guy, I don't think. Yeah, but never by the actions of like a band on stage or anything, I don't think. Yeah, I can't think of an anecdote that involves any of that. This is a great question from Aidan, plays drums. Ah, friend of the show. Particularly prudent for today, considering how long it took you to... get back to me this morning when I sent you that flyer. What time did Bo wake up today?

Well, let's see. Let's get the actual... Tell me what time you responded to me. Okay, you sent the flyer at 114. Not, but... Hold on. You're leaving some things out. Hold on.

Hold on. Okay, you sent the Chris Columbus thing in die at 10.50, my time. And then it asked me for something at 12.28. and I responded at 106. Was that right when your eyes opened? That's why it was a question where I was like, wait, do you really need me to send you money? Because I like,

what is you? What is you? Yeah, I was still waking up. This is the greatest shit part of my life is doing this show, I think. Dude, I like to stay up late and I like to sleep late. You know, I wish I could, man. You know how late I slept on Sunday? I felt like a real piece of shit.

2.30. Holy fuck. I woke up at 2.000. 30 and like the sun goes down two hours later. Wow. Not good. Not good. That's extra dark.

It was really bad. It was. Can you get the vocals from End It on the pod? I would love to. He's a very funny guy. Okay. I think he'd do great. Yeah, we'll get him on.

Cincinnati, Chile. Where do we stand? It's fine. I haven't had it in 10 years. Maddie has. an episode where he makes it. I'm sure his is fucking amazing. What's the gimmick, chocolate and cinnamon or something?

I think there's cinnamon in it. I don't know if there's... Yeah, there is chocolate in it. Huh. Yeah, but it's just... It sounds fucking stupid, right? I think of the chocolate in it, like brown sugar and barbecue. Like, it's just a thing. It's not the focal point. I would...

Here's the thing. I love a hot dog. Yeah. I've never turned my nose down to a dog. So an enhanced dog, I'm open to the possible. Enhanced dog with cheese? Yeah, right. I'm especially open to possibility. I think I owe it a return.

Yeah, I think that's fair. Because what's the one? Skyline. Skyline. I've had it. It's fine, you know. Yeah. This is a great question.

Colin, referencing 2018 era, how the hell did twitching tongues integrate the octave up harmonies without anyone else singing? Ah. I had a very special pedal. What is it called? The mechanic, I think. No. Something like that?

I've prepped for this. I was like, I got to talk about my pedal. Harmonist? What is it called? No, it's not a harmonious. It's way bigger than that. T.C. Helicon,

voice live three extreme. There it is. See, came back to me like that. So basically, and the microphone was the coolest. part because it was the proprietary mic for the pedal. So I had delay on the bottom button, reverb on the top button, and then there's a big button here to activate your presetting thing on your pedal.

So basically, and then there's a number right here because I set each song as a preset. So I'd have the set list in order. And what you do is you set the key and like the major minor. So if I'm, so let's say it's kill for you. C sharp, uh, mate minor, I think. I don't know. I don't know fucking shit about keys. Yeah, yeah.

But, uh, when I hold this, it gives me a C sharp minor, perfect harmony of whatever I'm saying. Whatever you're singing. Yeah. In the key. Uh, got you. So it's like, it knows which key you are. So it knows kind of where to put it. Yeah.

Or you can do an octave. So there's a couple songs where I, there's no really harmonies, but there's octave. So, like, yeah, that was all with this pedal. And I can only do it at certain venues because it had a ground issue at like smaller ones. Yeah, the 60 cycle. And sometimes you're too close to everybody on stage. It's an active microphone.

Right. So it's picking up everything. But yeah, that was my secret for a while. And it was really, I felt unique doing it. It was unique because code wasn't doing it yet. We do some. minor, minor vocal stuff live. And we always just have the sound guy do it.

Like, so it was unique in that. I was doing it all. Yeah, it was all you. Right. And you couldn't tell. I was here. I was, so while you're, you see this, right, in front of you. But back here, my thumb is out. And I'm controlling the microphone like a video game. Yeah.

While we're playing. Like, I know that the preset, the next preset is this button. Okay. Fucking World War V's is this song. So I got to go to five here and do the, the, uh, Ooh, ooh, that's the thing. So you set the tempo a little bit too so that the delay is at least close

to where you want it. Very smart. The gaining purpose one, the da-da-da-da-da-da-da-oh. I know I hit the delay before that and then hit the ooh and then turn it off. But there were some crazy mishaps. Really?

There's gnarly shit on there. So if you step on something wrong, you're a Cylon from Battlestar Galactica. Yeah. And it's like, All along I found it defeated. I remember Sean the Butcher was at Starland Ballroom when we played there. New Jersey.

And I botched a button. And then he never talked about us or posted us again. So when the Gats hate record coming out, I was like, this is going to be terrible. Sean De Butcher is not going to like us. He hates. He hates. The guy hates me. So I thought that was real. It was not so hilarious.

He's very helpful. since this is episode XXXXX what bands turned you on to straight edge and what bands solidified you claiming edge and what are some current straight edge bands that you really like slash think people should know about it's really funny but AFI was one yeah because well Davy was pretty vocally straight edge you know and like is wearing the straight edge force thing on the

fire ends IDP Of course. And then, believe it or not, anti-flag. Because two of them are straight edge or were at the time. Wow. And there were songs that were like, what do you mean you guys don't drink? You got to start drinking. Where they're like making fun of what people say to them.

And it was like kind of cool to me. But then when I actually discovered like that it was like a thing and not just like a thing, you know, one of the first things I found was the 10. yard fight dough. And there's proud to be straight. And that was like one of the first songs that I heard. And then it was very quickly, Youth at Day, Gorilla Biscuits, Turning Point. Mine was just Earth Crisis. Yeah.

And you know what's funny? Never found Earth Crisis until much, much later. Interesting. It was all youth crew. It was, I think, I mean, for a lot of people, it was one or the other, you know. Yeah. The floor punch versus Earth Crisis thing exists to this day. But I was, I was definitely an Earth Crisis guy.

very young. I'm talking like 11, 12. Yeah, I was 12. What I found out about it. I started calling myself straight edge at 13th. My 14th birthday, I was straight edge. So it's been 22 years for me. Wow.

17. Yeah. For me. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. I think everybody kind of goes in,

at least from what I've observed, is like when you first find out about it, you're really passionate. about it. And then you get like five years under your belt and you're kind of like a snob. You're kind of a dick. Yeah. Yeah. And then you know, 10, 15 years, you're kind of like,

yeah. This is just how I am, man. Just my shit, man. And now, now that I'm I don't even fucking think about it. It's just like, yeah, I'm going to wear pants today. Of course. Amen, brother. It is truly the most effortless part of my life. Never think about it. Yeah. I will be a straight edge until I, until I do crack or heroin.

Right. Yeah, crack your heroin. To die. You know, like that's the point. That's why I'm doing it. What? Saw you play at Union Transfer in Philly with Ghost Man and Code Orange. I thought it was an amazing show, but what are you in a Bo's opinions on touring with rap acts?

Dude. Our Ghost Main Tour was fucking awesome. Yeah, dude, in a heartbeat. His whole crew are hardcore dudes. Like everyone. Sherwin's the TM. Wow. He was cool as fuck.

All the kids who were with them, or like, I rather who came to the shows were like, mystified that like a full band. We were the only full band. Yeah. It was Ghost Main, Lil Tracy.

And nobody had that going. Nobody paying to see that has ever seen a thing like arms away. Yeah. I would do this in a fucking heartbeat. Yeah. It was, it was awesome. We did really good on merch.

You're playing real venues. So you're playing real sound systems. Real El, LED screen so you can have your logo up or whatever. Cardinals just played the form, you know? Yeah. I'm full on to play. I would love to play the form.

Yeah, right. If that means opening for fucking jizzah. Oh, no. Yeah. I would love that. I'm not into hip hop personally. I will say some of the ghost means, a thing happens where you tour with the band and by the end of the tour, you're like,

you know what, man. I know, I know every song. I know all these songs and they're pretty good. You know, like. And chains. Yeah, right. Yeah. You can't play three shows with them without knowing every song after.

But with Ghostmain, he did a lot of like visual components and like shit with the videos that would match up with. And it was just like it was a very cool way to perform. And they would wear different shit every night. They had like five different outfits that were all in theme. And they would change every night and like different stuff would happen. It was just like a cool like, oh wow, I hadn't thought about that kind of a thing, you know. But I had a blast. We would do it again for sure.

Putney and Taylor aside, who do you guys think are the best or most exciting producers currently working in hardcore? Fucking Arthur. The homie? The homie Arthur is doing... I mean, that Eternal Champion record really fucked me up when they came out. I love that record. Who's out there?

Arthur Will Yip. The homie Ryan from Arizona. Who else? I think Bricktop, Annie Nelson has consistently done an excellent job. The guy producing all those AEW songs,

that guy's good. That's me. Currently we're in hardcore though. Who else is recording stuff? Who's out there? I really don't know. A lot of people like I really know, like Randy who works under Putney has been doing a lot.

But he's kind of like on his own. Sure. He's been doing that. But like a lot of, a lot of anyone who I talk to is like, oh yeah, we're recording. It's always your brother.

Yeah. Bricktop or someone out of, you know, graphic nature. Yeah. Yeah. What is the funniest, cringiest,

most desperate thing you've seen a local band do? I mean, you have that answer right off the bat from the past hard door episode. What was it? Remind me? Treated, the treated band. Oh, dude.

Oh, treated. Probably that man. One time when we were really young, another friend's band who was like way more metalcore and was playing like an actual hardcore show. They opened. And at the end of their set, they were doing the awkward thing of like,

oh, maybe we'll play one more kind of a thing, you know? And our one friend, this guy, Nick, he went, hey, who wants to hear a firestorm? And one of the like seen elders, like a guy who like did my first tattoos, sang for like one of the first hardcore bands I ever heard, very loudly went, no one. Wow. And they didn't play it.

And that was it. And it was fucking. Yeah, you know, I mean, you don't come back from that. No. I will say the entire 2000s Whiskey, a Go-Go, pay-to-play situation was dark. just pure exploitation. Dark times. Somebody will remind me of the name of the...

There was a production company. I think... I don't think... I don't want to say the wrong one because I don't want to offend the wrong guy. Yeah. What was the fucking name? I was just talking about it.

But anyway, they message every band. Like, hey, you guys are killing it. I want to have you open this show. Just sell 100 tickets. Dude, I have a really... Here's some hard lore. Hit me. Do you remember a long time ago?

There was a video after TUI got done playing, party in the USA, Miley Cyrus. Yeah. Remember that video? Right? They were in Atlanta. Right? It was like TUI Foundation.

No, it was after the Believe video shoot, right? Sure. I thought it was in Atlanta, but I could be getting it wrong. Shortly thereafter was a rain fest where we, like, our first time being up there. And after the last set of the day of the fest, someone put on that song. And the locals were like redoing the video, like the viral video. And I remember Thomas from Foundation literally just went Atlanta, like sternly.

And like like like people, because the people were there. You know what I'm saying? Like like TUI had played that day. So like people were there who were there at the original video. and like there were people were like trying like I don't know people were trying to recreate a viral video They were they were continuing the bit much like something to do with yes and it was with our show It was brutal to watch yeah that's rough it was brutal What can you do you know brain fest what a very watched that was a good era

Best Troy core record ever I mean it's take my soul give me grave right that's all you brother It's dying ready take my soul give me grave or Sigma Hymns or Section 8. So I don't really know a whole lot about that genre. However, I do like Sigma. And Hymns would be the one I would pick. Section 8, 9 ways to say I love you

would probably be number three for me. Those are my top three. Favorite hardcore band from each continent. Oh, that's fun. South America, Sepultura. Of course. I like the idea of calling them a hardcore band because, like, ethically, they absolutely are.

Absolutely. 100%. To this day, Max and Igor. Friend, actual friend of the show. Actual friends of the show, Igor Caledare. I'm not making that up. Yeah. They go so far out of their ways to put on for new things.

So, yeah, they're hardcore band. Incredible. Europe is kickback, right? I might honestly say Rise and Fall. Risenfall was like... I feel like even Rise and Fall would be, like... You're full of shit. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. But, like, I genuinely, like, into oblivion was, like, scene changing. Yeah, I like it. For me. I like it is what I can say about it. Kickback is, like, one of my favorite bands. Yeah.

Not. Yeah, I think you're, but that's just you not knowing. It's not because. No, no, no. It's me having heard everything. I can't even say. Africa, I don't think I know. What?

Africa. My favorite band from Africa is. is a have heart. Yeah. I saw a video of them playing once. It was. Australia is obviously speed. I don't know.

I mean, Mind snare is like the legacy act that I think is the best. Yeah. Yeah. Speed right now is just carrying the torch because it's like the first thing that truly got over everywhere.

Yeah. Shout out to I exist, man. Dude. Anybody you ask about I exist are like, oh, my. Love them. Love those cunts.

Ripping. Yeah. Aaron, I love that man. The best man ever. And Asia, Palm. No, you like Japanese art garage. I'm sure I know more than I do. I mean, like grand scheme, it's probably Gizum.

But judgment is my, like the one I go back to the most. There's a story I know of before I was even around in like Chicago hardcore. someone, a band was touring. Someone had like a bootleg gizum either patch or a... You've told it on here before. Have I? The kill you one? No.

Oh. Well, no. Was it that? I don't know. I don't remember the story now. Oh. But a guy was touring with them who was from Japan who barely spoke English and he saw that one day and was just like, mm-hmm.

Like, you shouldn't have that. I've got to raise up a point from last week just so you know. Okay. You said the story about Baroness and Lars. Yeah. Confirmed untrue. But it may have been a different band. It's not Baroness, but it happened.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It may have been, I said multiple times I may have the band wrong. Okay. So maybe if you paid fucking attention for once. Somebody told me like, hey, I just asked Baroness about this. It's not true. It was another band at that level. One of those types of bands that tour of Metropolitan.

Not Paul Bear, but yeah, a band. Did Paul Bear at Torv Metallica? That's why I said probably not. That'd be sick. But it was a band in that world. For sure, I know that that happened. Or at least, I definitely heard the story. Will any of your respective...

Oh, wait, the continents. Asia. Yeah. Asia. Antarctica? Metallica played. It's Metallica. So it's Metallica is my favorite hardcore band for Mantic. Tartime for sure.

The U.S. Favorite hardcore band from here? Yeah. What's your favorite hardcore band from North America that isn't from the United States? No warning is the answer. It's probably no warning. I mean, yeah. They just, they did it, you know.

They just did it. It's kind of like, yeah. I love Suffer's Provide. Me too. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. What's left?

How many continents are that? Is that all? Yeah, we got Europe. Well, who do we say for, I said Rise and Fall, you said Kickback. Kickback, yeah. Yeah. Easy. Yeah.

That's it. That's seven. Okay. We did it. We know the world. We know Metallica from Antarctica and Halfheart from Africa. The Bay Area, Antarctica. You can only choose one Typo or Only Living Witness.

I mean, it's Typo, right? It's Typo easy. Only Living Witness has two incredible records. Yeah. Typo has six. Unlimited. that you hear new things every time. That is actually very true.

That's a band that you can revisit constantly and pick up on stuff. Yep. It's crazy. What do frequent touring acts do with their housing during tour? Sublet break leases month to month. How funny is like people from New York who are like need a sublet for three months? Is there like a, and I mean this lovingly and respectfully. Is there a more privileged thing?

to do in like in the world i i just can't even like what do you what do you mean what do you mean where do you put your stuff like they live they have they're with your stuff they live with your stuff they live so they sleep on your bed yeah yeah they sub let it from you get the fuck out of here yeah that's weird it's like hey i'm gonna go on vacation for three months so this is why in that in that earlier question why i said don't quit your job Yeah. You know, work. Dude, I would fucking, I'd get dates off.

What's the expression? Hook crook or steal? Hooker by crook. Waffle house. Hooker still. I'm going. I'm paying my rant. I would do anything I could to get the dates off, like no matter what.

And having a roommate or living with a significant other definitely helps. or start a podcast and make... No, I don't know. I don't... I've always been able to make it work. You just make the number one priority always to pay rent. Absolutely. Nottiness in the pit memories.

Either done yourself or witnessed. You've been a naughty boy. I'm not a great naughty guy. There was one time... And I'm hesitant to say this. Yeah. But I did apologize. You know?

One time ringworm was playing Bertha's Pain and nobody was watching the entire time it was on your tour at the high hat yeah that was a great show

it was a great show I parallel park the van with the trailer outside of the show first try in front of like in Highland Park there's a lot of people there

I felt so cool yeah go on remember when I was playing birth is pain I'm going off yeah yeah Just like full on,

Fully boy, not a care in the world And this boyfriend This girl's boyfriend Like moves behind her And I just absolutely Just clobbered her She caught a red wing In a way that nobody ever has before

You know? Yeah To the point where I was like, I'm so sorry And And I'm getting I'm getting crazy. But I'm pretty sure Josiah

from Criminal Instinct to the guy was like, that was pretty fucked up, man. Like what he did, man? Yeah, that's pretty good. One time during the intro, dude, this is a good one. One time during the Birth is Pain intro, the elder Morrissey,

Chris, Andrew's older brother. The Santa. Yeah. Victory Records, Monster Santa. Mastro Santa. Was doing like the stage. Mosh, you know, where like hands are on the stage. Of course. And you're pinning.

Unplugged the guitar from the tune. Because the tuner was up front. And I just heard, uh, dude, oh, damn it. That's good. What's a riff another band has that you wish you wrote? Be it. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Ticke, unbelievable. That's way up there. Hey, take MasterKiller, put it on your turntable, throw the fucking needle. You'll find a riff that I wish on.

Yeah. I'll tell you another one. Dan- Dun-dun-dun-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-l. Baw. or how about how about Hit me too. Um,

uh, baleant, uh, d d d dill and dill and dill and dill and d' da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da I've ripped that off ten times. And then, I've played it backwards. I've done the first part both.

I've stolen it so many times. The great part about, about the and such a limbs how long can you last in the frozen water batch The best part about that is you think it's O.O.1014,

but it's not. It's Odo A1010-0-2-0-2-0-0-3-6. And it like broke a mold in my brain once I learned that whole part out. Because it's like a key change inside of this part that doesn't, where you were like, why would they do that?

And then it's like a, then they do it. Exactly. It's like a full step key change. Slayer have, dude, one thing I want to talk about, how do we, and this is sensitive. Yeah. Is it? You brought up, you brought up Pantera. It did.

How do we separate artists from person? You know what I mean? Yeah, that's tough to do. I mean, we're talking about Morrissey, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Every is and every ism thrown, you know? Yeah.

His way to stay. And I think Pantara definitely couldn't exist today. No. You know? And I feel guilty sometimes admitting that like I, but then like. But then the abbots were so sick. Yeah, right. The abbots were so cool.

And like, to me, those are their songs. But I'm playing on the fucking the flag guitar. Yeah. You know. And he probably, I mean, he'd probably change a stance on that now. I would imagine. Yeah. I would hope.

You know? I would hope. Yeah. There's certain guys that I'm not glad that, obviously, that didn't live to disappoint. Like Pete Steele never lived to disappoint me, you know? Yeah. He disappointed people for sure.

He disappointed people for sure. And I'm, and I'm sure he's always the, he's a contrarian, you know? Yeah. So the first Pete Steele like making, MAGA posts would have crushed me, you know? Yes, which definitely would have happened. It could have happened. Just as a, just as a like, I want to disagree with the general public type thing, you know?

Right. Or like, dude, I know I've said this before, but it's like probably likely that Heffield voted for Trump. If you're a multi, multi-millionaire musician, you're going to vote for the, think about it. Yeah. They all did. And I, there was an interview where Hetfield was asked and his. response was, I really don't like to talk about that kind of thing. Which you would only really say if, you know what I'm saying?

But then, but no matter what he says, he's alienating somebody. Because is there a band that racist guys like more than Metallica, you know, other than maybe Pantera and Slayer? There's a, there's a new big four. And it's, it's, uh, hey breed, screwdriver. Yeah, oh my God. Hate breed. but it's like and it's because hate breed fights at every chance they get yeah yeah yeah i saw the video of the of them kicking out a nazi the other night they just go ahead get the fuck out

we don't like you that's the way i mean it's the way it should be yeah i uh it's it's like maryland manson is a great example i don't give a shit about maryland manson musically i used to love him as a figure because i thought he i thought he was a smart well-spoken contrarian who had a lot of views that I agreed upon, or agreed with, rather. And then, you know, obviously, comes out that he was like a real piece of shit. Yeah.

Yeah. I find there's nothing for their need to separate. You know, I don't think that's the same. Did you just forget how to speak? Yeah, I'm fucked up. There's nothing for me to separate there. I don't need to, you know. Because you were never like a music,

a Maryland music guy. Yeah. And Pantera is different. Because, like, Marilyn Manson is the guy. Is the guy. Yeah, you're right. And Tara fills. the singer over the Abbott's songs to me.

Domination is such an insane song. Come on, dude. I mean, that ruined, like, the open note breakdown for everybody. Because you're never going to. You're never going to do a better one. It's crazy. Was there ever a tour that you were offered that you had to turn down that you regretted? Of course.

I got asked to play drums for Yellow Card for a World Tour one. time. I had to turn to out. To this day, it like devastates me to think about it. I don't know if I can. I remember you guys almost turned down a tour with us to do a dancing

tour. Do you remember that? It was like in the air. Yeah, do you remember that? That would have been fucking awesome. I mean, obviously not not doing a tour with you. But I think it was, I'm pretty sure it was the disharmonic rust tour.

I think it was. So maybe that would have been. better. But it was like, that was one of the pitches to us at first was like, yeah, we can get you on a tour with Danzig, you know? And like, that's perfect. And it was, I don't remember who got it instead of us, but it was like some, I think it was cancer bats.

I genuinely believe I remember that being the case. We got some words to, just, cancer bats. I can't think of a tour like off the top of my head, but like, there's stuff that happens all the time that when touring cycles are going there's offers that are coming in a lot that you just can't do yeah uh best time you had filling in for a band tour ringworm let me play house of hell with them a couple of hell with them a couple of hell yeah that's sick as fuck and dude ringworm is genuinely one of my favorite heartcore bands of hell yeah that's a good shit amazing.

Diggin, digan, digan, digin'n, diggin. That was just fun. And, like, I love, Ringworm is genuinely one of my favorite hardcore bands of all time. And, uh, told them that I love that song. Specifically,

the Terror Split version of that song. Yeah. Not the one that's on, uh, justice. Did that Terror split? Oh, it's unbelievable. Imagine getting to do a split with Ringworm, especially in that,

at that, in that era. At that time. Like, Tara had been a band for a year and a half. You know, or something? And they put on the fucking, is it out of my face? What, what's the song? Not the song. Fuck everything at everybody.

Which on that, it's a little slower than it was on one with the underdogs. So it feels like an industrial song. My favorite feeling thing I ever got to do was play drums for Stigmana at the Sarkor. I watched the whole thing from right behind you. It was very special. That was awesome. We had just taken them on tour. we did the, or I guess it was almost a year ago, fuck.

We brought them to California for the In Love There's No Law shows. Had to be way more than a year ago. No, it was 2014. This is hardcore 2014 and those shows were like October 2013. Oh, I thought you made a year ago from now. No, no, no. Sorry, my bad, my bad. They asked Taylor, and Taylor's kind of historically not a great, like, filler in her.

and I like play those songs recreationally, you know? Right, yeah, yeah. Like, I'll just play the record Start to Finish for fun. And Bittner was like a big influence on me drum-wise.

So Taylor was like, just ask Colin. And they were like, he plays drums? That's crazy. And then I, within like an hour sent them a YouTube video of me just playing the record start to finish. So they said, yes, we did not practice. Right.

Together as a band. Right. Right. So that's why when you watch the video, there's one error. There's a big error in the set. And it wasn't my fault. Because live, they do this thing with this crash hit on the Diaslow Heart Death. Motherfucker. And on the record, there's no crash hit.

He just starts singing. So they're, and I can't hear vocals. And he keeps looking at me and going, crash. Because it goes, dun dun, da, da, da, da. Yeah, yeah, good. so I thought it was that crash that they were waiting on and that he had already done the die of slow hard death but gotcha

because he can't hear vocals right but that was the best I remember him saying like it's all right kid after that and it was not I was all right kid yeah yeah yeah but that wasn't on me but I remember that that's right that was cool that was fun to watch

it was very very special that was that day it was like being in Goodfellows for a day where in the beginning when he's getting introduced to all the guys. Yeah. Because I got introduced to a guy named Five Head. And I said, this is Five Head on the count of the five tattooed on his head. And he has a five tattooing and he just went, how you doing? And it was like a literal just like Goodfell's moment.

It was awesome. Dude, is there a cooler photo than the Stigmata Marauder split? There is not. Like the two bands, like that's it. There is not. where we may have just recreated it with a band in New York this past weekend. Awesome. Yeah.

Very cool. I mean, that makes perfect sense. Very cool. That was a little serendipitous there. It was. That was a good timing there, Bowen. It's almost like I filled you in, but I didn't. Fruit loops are Lucky Charms.

Lucky Charms. Lucky fucking charms all day, dude. Dude, let's do top three, top five cereals. Easy. Rice Krispie treats. Number one. Yeah, the treat. But you can't even find them.

Yeah. They were target exclusive for a while, but I think they're just gone again. Yeah. What, Rice Gris Treats? Number one. Waffle Crisp, number two. Cinnamon toast crunch number three. Lucky Charms number four, maybe?

Respect. And then I'll straight up, I'll give you a Honeynut Cheerio number five. I'm going to go cinnamon toast number one. Number one. Okay. It's a common, you know. But I get those other two are not available, but they're like those, like, yeah, like rice chrisby treats was one of the things.

I ate as a kid where I was like, okay, this food is my thing. I like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to be fat and eat more of this. Waffle Crisp, I've never eaten less than one box at a time. That's how I'm with cinnamon toast crunch. You can't keep it around. No fucking family.

So my fattest era, 2017, 2018, was kicked started by Rice Krispy Treats becoming available at Target once again. I bought 10 boxes, brother. I had a half a box every morning until, and then when I finished those 10, guess what I did? Bought more. Bought another 10. Oh, my God. I did this for three months of half a box every morning. Oh, my God.

It was fucking, it was incredible. Cinnamon toast crunch, number one. Cinnamon life. Oh, two. Huge. I love life. I know Don Vargas is listening right now. shitting, he's a

serial fanatic. Oh yeah? He's shitting his little knickers, his big old pants, listening to his life number two. Number three, Lucky Charms.

Love Lucky Charms. Number four, I'm gonna go real, real basic, corn pops. Interesting. You gotta have them? I love them.

You got to have your pops? I just gotta have my pops. Isn't it funny there's like almost no bad cereal? And then number five, as an honorary mention, Raisin brand crunch Really

You're not alone in that But that's just not my shit I just love it It's just I wish there was a cereal I could eat Without feeling like a piece of shit Yeah

Just doesn't exist And if it does it's not good It's not good yeah Sad Low is the lower One with the underdogs Honestly Maybe one with the underdogs

I think it has Maybe it's a little religious to say, but like lowest is more fast and I don't necessarily want that. I want... It's a more like exciting, energetic record, but one for the underdogs is like

it's like, I would say it's like a victim in pain one voice type evolution. And it was fat, it was much faster, you know? Yeah. Yeah. What were the underdogs? I remember the day it came out.

I remember buying the CD from Best Buy. Maybe. Good for them. Honestly. Maybe. Maybe Hot Topic. Some of the best hardcore songs that not only like are have ever been written, but will ever be written.

Yeah. The actual, the title track, first song. Unbelievable opener. Unbable. Pit Park. The chorus has the fast triplet. Like it does it all for me. The guest vocals on Spit My Rage.

Yeah. Brother. Yeah. There's some lore behind those that I'm not allowed to tell. Yeah. Most insane local opener behavior you've witnessed. Huh. While this show drip you've ever seen, band member or attendee. I'm just going to say, Josh Holden, bass player of American Nightmare, is the OG-R-R-L, Ralph Lauren, fashion guy.

So, we didn't talk to American Nightmare. Merit Ferns Fest. I never got to share this story. Back in the day, band members in AOL and messenger screen names would just get like circulated. Like, oh, here's this guy from this band. This is his screen name. I punished Joe Harcourt all the time. So I got Josh from American Nightmare. I also got Busky, which is hilarious. Oh, I used to punish Busky all of that. I was really into the promise. Yeah. So I was like, oh, you know, but whatever. I didn't talk to him much, but I talked to Josh. And it was the worst, dude. What do you think I asked about? Out of any... You did not. Yes. Yes, I did. I was fucking 13. 14.

So I asked about Wes's hand. And Josh said, I don't know, man. He doesn't really talk about it. Like, handled it the most diplomatically. Now, here's the best part. And I probably wouldn't have said this. Well, maybe I would have at Furnace Fest because it's like I was an embarrassing little kid. Fast forward maybe a year and my first hardcore show was then playing the fireside. All right. I didn't know how stage diving really worked. I didn't know how hardcore shows worked, but I knew every word to American nightmare because I was obsessed at the time. So I just kneeled on stage. And anytime West came stage right, I would grab that motherfucker and like grab the like forcefully take them.

And you know they talked about you for a week. Well, here's the best part, dude. The show ends. Oh, right. Yes. I've heard this. Show ends and everyone leaves and I go, Josh, it's Bo. And you can kind of see him put it all together and go like, of course this is that kid. Yeah.

Can you hear him to Metallcat? Yeah, I fucking hear him. That's my boy. That's my boy. Sick, fuck. But yeah. That was, that was embarrassing. That's brutal.

They had some drip. They were drip. They were one of them. Back in the day, yeah. It's true. Like Josh was like a vintage clothes like curator. And that's, and now he's,

it's his job. I mean, Martine has with like Lion Crew, but that's like, he was always five years ahead of the curb. Yeah, yeah. So this day.

That's just him playing in the, that is correct. Yeah. Airport store insanity stories flying with gear, with gear. Colin. Sometimes, I think about things when I'm like on my little walk to get coffee.

I'm like, I gotta talk about this tonight. We've never talked about it. And then I forget and that something triggers it. So this is perfect. Yeah. You just flew to and from Newark. Yeah. Gear made it.

Saking sound. What did you check? Isn't it funny when like why? Who chooses when what days my items are oversized or not? There's nothing, dude. There's no rhyme of reason. It's just that sometimes it's there. Sometimes it's not.

It's their fucking attitude. You know what's awesome? What? JetBlue emails you when your items make it on the plane. That's nice. So if they don't make it, there's like a heads up. Like, hey, your items didn't make it on. My question or my topic, my PSA.

Give it to me. Everyone's at the baggage claim. And everyone crowds the fucking belt. Oh, fuck off. Guys just stand back 10 feet And when you see it go and get it It's crazy

The There needs to be a line It's always Yeah It's always one and the same Because it immediately before this Is when everyone stands up When the plane lands

Which also just drives me Fucking insane Oh man I want to kill The other day When I flew to New York I was in an exit row This is something I don't understand Okay

I love the exit row I'll pay extra for it every time. Yeah. I have to get it. Same. You know, I'm a long-legged, pissed off, son of a bitch, you know? I'm not, I'm not, and I just, like, prefer it.

The exit row cabin space is where the flight attendants generally put their stuff. Okay. The one compartment where the people sitting there have to put their shit somewhere is where you put your stuff. Right. Doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense. So I had to go way back to put my shit in there. So I'm fuming, obviously.

Yeah. And going back when the flight lands to, like, try to pick up, get my stuff. Oh, my God. You're just numerous. Oh, at that point, I'm like, if you're in front of me, I'm going to kill you. Yeah, yeah. Like, just, there's no reason you need to be standing unless you're doing exactly what I'm doing. Planes in Asia have an exit at the back and front.

Can you imagine? No. like don't have to wait for shit life would be so much simpler there's just flying probably our most insane thing the first time harm's way went to

Europe and we had called foundation and expire at the time because they were like of our level having toured Europe a bunch like yo we're bringing all this merch which that's strike number one don't fly with merch if you can avoid it there were some things that they just can't print there I'm sure that's changed.

Of course. And like obviously I'm saying if avoidable, don't fly with merch. But we read on the on the TSA site that like any like the biggest bag still has to conform to X, Y and Z and has to be under a specific weight. So James and I are at his parents' house. We're dividing all of our merch up to be under 40 pounds and then folding bags and using like rope to tie it so that it fits these demands. mentions that it says on the fucking website. Wow. But that also means that our, what should have been maybe two and a half, three bags of

army bags of merch is now seven. So we get to, we get to O'Hare. Rock. We're talking to the guy. We're talking to the guy from Luftanzah. And he's like, why'd you do it like that? And we were like, what do you mean? Where the site says he's like, you should just open these up and put them all in there.

You'll save half your money. And we were just like, we could do that. And he was like, yeah, go ahead. it's just the guy it depends on the fucking guy no real rules you know how many times we've had to pull up the gate check law

yeah yeah to a motherfucker working the thing dude we have gotten out of paying $800 to check all of our shit just because we're like goofy and the lady likes us

100% if you have a hint of bad vibes oh my god you're fucked if there's ever a time dude two things about airports. Be nice to everyone and it literally always pays off.

Yeah. But also, while being nice, you can be stern. Well, if you know, if you, if you know, if you're nice and you know what you're doing. Yes. You can get a lot done. There was a, there was, so, um, ex-girlfriend and I were taking a trip to Europe. We didn't know about the, you had to have a recent COVID test to get into Portugal, which we had a layover, blah, blah, blah, blah. So we got to O'Hare and they're like, oh, you guys don't have this. Like, you can't. And the next flight for you guys is going to be,

blah, blah, blah, about three days later, hotels already paid for. All this shit's already paid for. So I just very firmly, but politely said, well, we're not going to do that. So we need to find like another,

like anywhere else in the States where we can go, get a test, and then be there tomorrow. And I was just really persistent. And she was like, okay, I'll see, oh, you know what? There is something at Newark, coincidentally, like, okay,

blah, blah, blah, done. So. It's just a matter of being really nice. Just like, I am sorry, but there's all these moving parts that can't happen. Lana is an executive assistant, like pro level. Yeah. And her whole thing has just been realizing that like literally nothing is impossible. Like everybody can push a button and get something done.

Yeah. You just have to ask the right questions and try. And boy, guys, that works everywhere. That works at live events. That works in retail. That works with Amazon. Send the email, brother. If you're scared to do it, send the email.

Yeah. Let's see. Best show you've seen on an off day on the road. This is a great question. Dude, sometimes they're the best. Let me tell you, brother. Rainfest 2013? Yeah.

Georgian Tungs played. Left right after our set. The priest year? Was that that era? I don't know if it was the pre-s year. It might have been the year after. Okay. Left right after, drove straight to Oakland, saw Bolt Thrower and Autopsy.

I remember the videos. It was the best thing I've ever seen. I remember the videos of you guys diving. Just. And dude, when we were diving, Bolt Thrower was having the best time. You could tell they were like, holy shit, this is sick. Like, it looked like the fucking turned inside out. MTV. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, that was our goal was like give bolt thrower this like crazy kind of hardcore, like old school with a K reaction. And then security asked us to stop and you could see them being visibly bummed. So that was special. Even knowing that they were like, ah, fuck, that was awesome. You know, was really cool. I mean, that same year was when all of Harmsway went and saw Bullthroar. At the Metro, right? At the, at Reggie's actually.

$10 shirts. $10 shirts. What the fuck are they doing? They lost money. They had to have lost money. Yes. Lots of money. But I bought three shirts.

I bought them all. You know what I mean? I bought doubles. Triples in the Nova. You know, I bought them all. Yeah. Yeah, it was incredible. I wish.

What? You can see it. Oh, you wish. Can't tell the bull thrower stories. Yeah, no, you can't do it. Let's see. If every hardcore scene in America assembled, This is kind of a dangerous question to ask.

Okay. I guess essentially which city would win in a Survivor Series tournament. Los Angeles. Are you kidding? Like, it's scary, man. This is a scary question to bring up. It's not. It's Los Angeles.

Yeah. Just your numbers alone. I'm not picking aside here. Between who and who? I'm Switzerland here, brother. Between who and who? If it's like L.A., New York, Boston. Where else?

Chicago? You know? Philly? I mean, I mean, Chicago, Philly. Yeah. Atlanta for a minute. For a minute, yeah.

You know. So is this like a... Okay, so is this like... I mean, a lot of those scary guys live in L.A. You know? Exactly. But is this like a K-fabe like wrestling thing? Or is it like a actual like MMA?

I think they mean like a war. Like an actual... Like a West Side story type scenario, you know? Wow. Did you see the thing about the Alex G. Lice outbreak? No. It's still L.A., though. That's still my answer.

What's the Alex G. There's a lice outbreak at the Alex G. Show the other day. It's disgusting. And I said that Alex G. should team up with the turnstile pants shitter to find the culprit in a Silence of the Lambs type scenario. You know? Like Alex G. is Clarice.

And the pants shitter is Hannibal. And they got to get into his psyche. Yeah. To break the psyche of the life guy. Dr. Leichter. It's still L.A. There's just more people. I'm Swiss.

I'm Switzerland. You don't need to be. It's population-wise, it's just like sheer numbers. Some of those like Atlanta guys are killers. Some of those Boston guys are assassins. Man, that New York is like. The New York is New York. Yeah.

Where is John Hall here in this equation? I don't know. I pick where he is. I don't know. That's the winning. Switzerland. Bruce Lepage is listening to this right now going, what are you talking about?

This fucking guy. I'm going to fucking kill these guys. It's a good question. That's pretty much it. Did we get anything new on the Twitter? I don't think so. There were a couple late ones, but it's going to be hard to find now.

I agree. I know somebody specifically was like, you didn't answer my question. That's fucked up. So let me... Let's do a little look, Eluke, because I got them tagged on mine as well. Yeah.

Very, very excited about the hard-lore meal box. Can't believe the meal box. Very, very excited. And I hope... The hard-lore, I can't... I don't know if, like, I think I made the mistake of calling it the Hard-Lore Happy Meal on my tweet about it.

Uh-huh. Because I'm sure McDonald's searches Happy Meal, you know? Yeah. Like their social media intern will probably see our box. But are we covered in some kind of parody law? Maybe not because Elon would say so. Right. You know?

I think so. Hope so, huh? I hope so. We can call it whatever the fuck we want. It doesn't really matter, I guess. It's the hard little meal. Oh, this is a great question. What do we miss?

And poignant. Okay. What are your top three favorite Thanksgiving food items? Happy Thanksgiving. Oh. What a per. Hold, let me shout out who asked that because this is from, uh,

chef. My man, chef. Good job, Shev. And the top five Christmas movies, he says. Oh.

We'll save that. We'll save that. We got an idea. Yeah. Number one. Now, start at the bottom. What are you doing?

Okay. number three Sweet potato pie Love Sweet potato pie Number two Mashed potatoes I'm gonna get that after every single one

And it's gonna be the same thing When you do yours Number one Yeah With a fucking Gravy laden bullet Stuffing Stuffing

over turkey no turkey on your top three turkey's number four turkey's the but think about eating the turkey without those things think about it other i did my whole life because i was a little little baby i didn't like sauce and stuff now i'm different now yeah but you know the gravy is the oil that keeps the engine running for thanksgiving white meat or dark meat oh i'll do a little of both okay that's fair did you see mattie's thanksgiving leftover thing oh my god The man's a genius. I got to try it. It's ground up turkey stuffing and mashed taters in like a sausage patty.

Fried. Fried with an egg on top. And gravy. I gotta try it. Number three for me is stuffing. I love stuffing. I love stuffing. I can't believe it.

Number two, real cranberry sauce. Not out of a can. You're real, wow. Not out of a can. Most people are very specific that they like the can one. I don't mind the can, but when I've had the real stuff with the compost, it's like, oh, okay. Like, this is what it should be. I wish I liked it, man.

It's one sack of the cranberries, one cup of water, one cup of sugar, reduce. And like, that's it with a little lemon peel. Maybe I'll get into it this year. And then number one, turkey. White meat. Okay. Now here's the real question. Loaded up.

Here's the real question. Yeah. Thanksgiving dessert is out. Oh. Oh. Well, this is the beginning of a season for me. Yeah. And that season is pumpkin season.

Is pumpkin pie season? Now let me ask you. Ask me, brother. Warm or cold pumpkin pie? Cold. Cold? Okay. Cold pumpkin pie with the biggest scoop of vanilla ice cream you've ever seen.

You go ice cream. Okay. I like cool whip in this one instance. So I think about cool whip with a pumpkin pie is like perfect. I think the cool whip to you does the same, it serves the same purpose. Yeah. Like a creamy thing with the pumpkin pie. To me, hot take, a pie is a vessel for ice cream.

Interesting. Like that's my stance on pie. My beef is though, if I would have apple pie all the mode, I would want the apple pie to be hot. I'm not heating up a pumpkin pie. Absolutely. There's a time in place for, there's, you know, it's not one size fits all. Every pie, every journey is different. Yeah.

On that note. What other, what other Thanksgiving desserts are there? Pecan pie. Oh, that's true. It's a big one. My dad is a big chocolate cream pie.

Chocolate. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Love that. I love that. The Oreo crust. Ooh.

I just, I love, even a shitty, like, like, Ralph's baked pumpkin pie. You know what I'm saying? Whole Foods, Trader Joe's.

They're fucking incredible. Crazy. And they just like, whiq out of a gun. Yeah. And they get baked, you know? But they're so fucking good. Say no more. I'm dying now.

I need. I was kind of not psyched for Thanksgiving because I feel so sick. And now I'm like, damn, it's Thanksgiving. I've been in the gym in a week, which is crazy for me. You're going to Texas, yeah? Yeah. You do like the full family thing? The full, Monty.

Yeah. It's just going to be me and my mom this year. I'm going to watch planes, trains, and automobiles. You're going to watch Thanksgiving? No, but I have seen it. Nice tits, bitch. Are there any more Thanksgiving movies? I don't think so.

Not that I know. Besides like Charlie Brown, I guess. Yeah, I don't know. If you know of any, hit us up. And thank you again for 31 episodes now of Hardlore. And thank you all for the birthday wishes last week. I felt it. I heard it.

And if you didn't wish me one, I want you to stop what you're doing right now. Whisper it? There's almost 10,000 people have listened to that. Listen to or watched that last episode so far. And I don't think you got 10,000 happy birthdays. I don't think so. So I expect my just do. But yeah, I love these episodes.

They're the best. They're the least pressure. We'll have somebody next week. Yeah, yeah. No problem. Easy. Easy. Itty-p-d-de-de.

Okay, cool. All right, y'all. We love you so much. Thank you, so much. Miss you, kiddo. Miss you so much. Bye. Bye.