HardLore - Q&A Special: Top 4 Albums of 2025, Crowbar's Sudden Popularity & Favorite HardLore Moments Ever

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

Hello Welcome! After back to back to back to back weeks of some of our biggest and best episodes ever, we figured it was the perfect time to catch up and just chat one on one, while answering your questions... Starting off with talking about our favorite records from last year. ___________ Cool links: • HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store! • Try AG1 at DrinkAG1.com/HARDLORE to receive a free flavor sampler kit & vitamin D/K drops  __________ 00:00:00 - Start 00:00:49 - Hello Welcome 00:01:24 - Top 4 Hardcore Records of 2025 00:06:04 - Time Traveling To A Past Gig 00:08:14 - Local Bands You Expected To Blow Up 00:09:55 - Favorite Korean Food Dish 00:10:37 - Melodic Hardcore Bands On the Show 00:11:50 - Adopting Senior Dogs 00:13:03 - Your Bands Being Added To A Video Game 00:18:08 - One Piece Of Gear From Rock History 00:20:52 - Talking About Crowbar 00:23:59 - Top 3 R&B Songs 00:26:28 - New Morrissey Record 00:27:16 - Making Friends In Hardcore 00:28:47 - Opening A Bar / Restaurant 00:29:55 - Post-Breakdown parts 00:32:55 - Name Your Sword 00:34:22 - Booking A Full Tour vs Playing Festivals 00:37:27 - Sleeper Band With A Near Perfect Discography 00:38:35 - Unlikely Sources Of Inspiration 00:40:05 - Hardcore Lullabies 00:41:07 - Perfect Mosh Songs 00:42:57 - 90's Bands Debuting In 2026 00:44:15 - Six Records In A Time Capsule 00:48:09 - Media Revisited That You Used To Dislike 00:49:51 - Pardon This Interruption... 00:51:22 - Rushmore of HardLore Moments So Far 00:54:26 - Last Piece Of Music To Hear Before You Die 00:57:16 - Rumble and Tied Down Lineups 00:59:08 - Favorite Scream and Halloween Movie 01:03:22 - Hellfest West 01:05:45 - Damage Inc or Dyers Eve 01:08:55 - Waffle House Order 01:10:13 - Why is Melodic Hardcore Considered The Dark Ages 01:14:17 - Master Killer Of Hardcore Sub Gengres 01:14:35 - Remaking A Movie With The Muppets and One Human Actor 01:15:50 - Summoning A Hardcore Vocalists Voice 01:17:06 - Creating A Super Group But Cant Make Hardcore Music 01:21:49 - Universal Monsters 01:23:10 - No Warning - Torture Culture 01:23:45 - Favorite Album From The Year You Were Born 01:24:05 - Moving To California 01:26:16 - Destroying The One Ring 01:28:33 - Guilty Party Recommendations 01:29:16 - Inspiration From HardLore In 2026 01:29:56 - YouTube Watch History 01:31:01 - Brandon From Big Boy 01:32:44 - Favorite Visual Artists 01:33:38 - How Do You Afford Nicer Gear As Musicians 01:34:42 - Anticipated Future Releases 01:35:51 - Youth Crew Son or Beatdown Daughter 01:36:01 - Wrestling Finisher In A Real Fight 01:36:38 - Taking Time Off From Work For Tour 01:38:42 - Favorite Non NYC NYHC Bands 01:39:31 - The Line Between Admiring and Punishing  HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster EnergyEdited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas MarzlufJoin the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes.Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes.FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLEFOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAMFOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Bean Gusler said, talk about crowbar. What they are going through right now, TikTok kids and the zoomers have discovered. And it's repulsive and its splendid beauty. Great song, but like top 50 crowbar songs? No. You don't think so? Fuck no.

But it's crazy what connects with people and how fast it can happen. It's amazing. And now Kirk is on TikTok live getting galaxies sent to him. Yeah. By me. Yeah. Hello, welcome. It's Hardlork Time.

How you doing? I'm doing good, Colin. We've been doing so much traveling and in-person stuff. You know, it just felt like, hey, maybe we do a little catch up, a little Q&A. That's right. Dial it back. Because we got more coming up. So, you know, it feels good.

Maybe we dial it back a little bit. That's true. After eight weeks of pure heat, we're chilling this week. We just want to chat, catch up, catch up with all you, answer some of your questions. and start first and foremost with, we didn't do a hard law awards this past year. We just had too much going on and too much to do. And as you saw the past eight weeks,

we had a lot coming. So we figured we'd start by letting you know, here are our personal top four hardcore records of 2025. Okay. I think you and I are going to have a few overlaps. Borderline identical, possibly. Possibly, yeah. Number one.

number one C4 paybacks That's number one for sure Number two skinhead It's a beautiful day What a beautiful day All right now we might deviate Maybe yeah Yeah number three is the Wits end demo two

Oh cool sick Amazing Hardcore Capital hard capital hard capital core And my number four is Scarab burn after listening Very nice So I went number three

I went turnstile That burn off Unbelievable We've talked about it, nauseam. It's never enough. It's, we can't get enough of it. And number four was home front games of power. I love that record.

If you're into like later blitz, kind of, maybe black marble, even some of the textures in there. And you haven't heard this record. I saw, I saw them open for Cox Bar at the Palladium. That's all enough. And they were, they fit right in and the reaction was like insane. That's amazing. Yeah. So I've been, I've been digging that record.

I kind of forgot that it came out last year. I listen to it in a chunk. You know how you just spend like a month on a record and then you just kind of move on. But when I remember it, I was like, oh, fuck, that's right. So I really like that record. Games of Power. Honorable mentions to

the records that we put out, which are Mongrel Baptizing the Gutter, co-released by Days. Fire Starter, still holding on. Straight Edge, legendary, the youths of tomorrow. Cosmic Joke Force Perspective. our beloved brothers co-released by Triple B Records.

And here are now our top four non-hardcore records of 2025. I'm curious to see how non-hardcore you get. I mean, completely. Okay, good. Number one would be tribal gaze and vaying brilliance. Oh, you're still going heavy. Oh, yeah. For the most part.

I didn't go heavy. Just about the heaviest thing you'll ever hear. Maybe the heaviest guitar tone ever recorded in history. Evokin, Mendacium. I think I'm saying that right. I don't care because they're American. So in terms of like slow, brutal doom metal, brutal emotionally, not like chug, chug. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just this band is undefeated and they have been for so long. And I love to see them still rocking. Next would be a record that's relatively new to me. This is hedonist scapulomancy. Whoa. Brother. Yeah. This thing's nuts.

Yeah. I've not even heard of that. They do the bolt thrower thing a lot better than many contemporary bands trying to do the bolt thrower thing. Like the ringing out open riff with the sick lead over it. Yeah. And they understand having like the moment in every song, which many death metal bands don't. Do not. Yeah, for sure.

They don't remember that. And they don't meander. The records, the songs go by. There's a big event in all of them. And there's a reason to get to the end. My last one would be my number one record of last year. That would be Jade. That's showbiz baby.

It's a masterpiece. Can't believe it. Listen to it no less than a thousand times. All right. Mine are pretty different. I put Mayhem by Lady Gaga. Oh, dude. I'm in omission for me for sure.

but I wasn't truly when you said non-hardcore. I really went like fully non-hardcore. I didn't even think heavy. So that's kind of my misinterpretation. That's fine. Ethel Cain, Willoughby Tucker, I'll always love you. Great record. Haunting.

Amazing record. Sabrina Carpenter, man's best friend. Fucking tracks on that record. Couple tracks. I don't know. I just think it's fun. I enjoy it. I agree.

And lastly, it was the newest Deftones record, private music. There's a couple tracks on that that were my personal definition of like earworms where I don't even know why I just could not get them

out of my head. I think that's a success. That's a hit. That's how you do it, especially late in your career. Yeah. And here we go with the Q&A. It's Q&A time, everybody.

Let us begin. We're going to start with the Patreon questions. This is a good question. First question by Run the Jewels. If you could time travel to go back and see one show you were at

and one show you were not at, what shows would they be? That's a great question. Whoa. One show you were at. So relive a show. Yeah. Probably the United Blood 2009. Okay.

It was the Chrome, Mag. It was like, Chromex Converge, Rise and Fall were like the last three. Convicted played, Foundation played. It was just kind of like, it was one time where I was watching a festival, I was like, oh, this is my shit. Like, this is, here we are. And everyone watched the, I watched. COA scream the verse to hard times in JJ's face like this close. He was like, hard times.

He meant to man. And it was incredible. You know what I mean? Yeah. I would probably like to revisit that one. And one that I wasn't at is like the fucking misfits negative approach in Detroit and 81. You know what I mean? The last show.

Yeah. It's one show I was at. I would go back to the bolt thrower autopsy benediction show. Damn. And I would dive the whole. whole time no matter no matter what bribe security

not just the first three songs until stopped because that I will I will just never forget that experience and how beautiful it was and how psyched the band was you remember what the three songs were

I mean it was it was Fourth Crusade opened and then it was like war remembrance or something and dude it might have been powder burns third

it was crazy because I was nuts I wonder if they played the same set when we saw them Probably. I would think so. I don't think it was a rotating thing. I remember, you know what? I think they did open with Fourth Crusade.

Oh, man, that's, and that's insane. Yeah. I was pitting for Powder Burn straight up. One show I was not at, what shows would they be? Either the killing time last show. Because just being in the mix and that looked unbelievable. Yeah. Or the fucking bad brains.

That 82. 82. Christmas? Yeah. Awesome. It's the sickest thing. ever. Okay. This is a great question from heavy, from the king heavy riffage fiend. Oh, probably. What were some local bands you expected to blow up but never did? Local bands. Yeah. Now that's interesting because we kind of have very few bands like blow up from Chicago.

So it was kind of the opposite. It was like fallout boy. Yeah, yeah, sure. You know, rise against. I think it's like, um, I more so, so the band violation from the, the late 2000. I see. I think if they became like a full-time touring entity, remix their LP, did another LP, would still be raging to this day. Like, they were such a definitive band in California in the late 2000s, like smoked everybody. I imagine you would have quite a few answers for this. I mean, there's so many. While you think, I think one from here that does come into mind is lurk, the band lurk. Because they were doing it for me.

They were doing it and it seemed like, I don't know. It seemed like they just didn't quite catch a break. Like not even to disparage anything. They were doing awesome shit. It was just like sometimes, you know, sometimes you don't put out the song at the right time. It's all timing, dude. It's all. It's truly, it's a combination of luck, timing and skill.

Yeah. But I really liked Lirk. I really liked what they were doing. and hopefully they come back. I don't know. Well, the homies in military gun. Yeah. And he's killing it.

So it's like that, that mashup makes total sense. It's great. It's a great man. Favorite Korean food dish. Brother, I mean, aside from all barbecue, the Golgoy, the brisket, the colby, the black bean noodle is one of the greatest culinary innovations in history. Ja-Jamial.

I think it's called. I don't know how to pronounce it, so I'm sorry, but I believe that's the technical term. I love a rice cake. I think it's Korean. It is. Like a spicy rice cake. Yeah, that's insane. With the cheese and the sausage in there.

They've got the craziest mashup over there, and it seems great. I'd love to go. So much cheese. A lot of cheese and corn. A lot of melted cheese. I got to get over there. I got to get over there. Dylan Reed asks, would y'all ever have a melodic hardcore band on the show?

to defend the existence of melodic hardcore. Like, yes. Yeah. I don't think we, it's not the existence of, I get it. We get it. We were there. Guys. We just had enough.

I was just gonna say, we just had Nick Hexham on the show. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, peripherally, that is associated with lots of stuff you would think we wouldn't like. It doesn't matter. That's not what this is about.

It's just like that kind of music wasn't our thing. Nick Hexum just happened to be kind of our thing. But so there's there are bands like we talk about all the time have heart has melodic parts. I think people can consider half heart a melodic heart. But I mean, I think they're asking like a band that would like we would, our natural instinct would be like fuck that. Yeah. Have them on to talk about it. And like we have things in common and common ground with all these bands.

It's just not our thing. Yeah. We're just two guys. Also, we're not talking about like this music is bad. It was a it was a time period that we lived through also. Yes. There's like context to why we feel the way that we do. Precisely.

Those were just the door. We were there and it was a dark time. No wind in the sales. Nothing, dude. Dylan Reed asked Colin, what drives you to adopt senior dogs? Just put my, oh man, just put my 11-year-old dog down last week and it sucks ass. Can't imagine getting a dog that I know won't live long. I'm very sorry to hear about that.

I can't even imagine that. George is my first senior dog. Right. But I can already say that, like, Like, I've had him for 11 months now, I think. And those 11 months have been so special that, like, if he died tomorrow, I'd be devastated, but I'd be grateful just to have had that. You know what you've done for him. Oh, my God.

And, yeah, dude, like, he's the most spoiled happiest guy now. He's just a little baby. He's just a little old baby. He's so awesome. He's a great dog. And, like, I just, I was, I think we were, Lana and I were very inspired by my, you know, Mike and Bridie who are constantly saving animals and

helping them and showing them what life can be and they go through losing them all the time and it just like if anything it makes room for you to do it again with some other dog I'll never not have a senior dog

period never again condolences Miles X asked a video game studio has reached out to make a skin and put a track from your bands in the game, what is the game, and what is the track? Love it.

It's yours going to be Fortnite. I mean, like a skin, it has to be. Yeah. If I have the ability to be in Fortnite and be like, and gritty on fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah. And Ariana Grande. Yeah. I want that.

Put me in fucking Astraneer. Make a bow, astronaut. I'm in there taking over that planet. What song do we want in a game? Let's see. Mine would be something kind of nice and ambient. So it would be like the gift, like a creepy,

creepy track for Astroneer. If I'm in Fortnite and I want it to be my drop song, my victory song, and my jam track. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, A, I know technically what has to go into that and it has to be something to the grid that they can rip the tracks separately

and link up with a steady BPM, because that's how that works. works. The only record that's on a grid is gaining purpose, I think. Oh, okay. Sound of pain. I mean. Sound of pain would be fun. If it starts, if it starts with just Taylor going to. Yeah, that'd be fun. And you see like the chicken from family guys. Yeah. Whatever it is. That'd be fun. That's good. Yeah, we'll go with that. Or a crucifixion. Very good. What have you been playing lately?

Resident Evil. Tell the people. Tell the world. Brother. Every few years, the new Resident Evil comes out, and I have to, like, remember that it's my favorite thing.

Yeah, because when it's not in season, let's say, it isn't at the forefront of what you talk about game-wise. It's off cycle, so I'm not thinking about it. And it's because they're designed,

they're so short. Are they really? Oh, yeah. If you know where stuff is, they're four hours long. Oh, shit. If you don't, they're 12, 15. Yeah, right.

How long did Requiem take you? Requiem, I think, I did like pretty much everything. And it was like, 12, 13. But it feels long. And it is easily, I think it goes four to Requiem. Wow. In terms of sheer quality. I'm blown away.

And then I'm now replaying four and I'm re-blown away. Do you, to play four, need you have played the others? I would play, if you, I would just start, if you're looking to start, yeah, start with two remake. Two remake. Two, they, the reason they did remade two and four is because two, four, nine is like a self-contained trilogy. Got you.

Okay. It's not the same when you don't know about, yeah, uh, Chris and Jill and, and, and, the people from one and then three is Claire again, I believe. I forget. Or no, I think it's Jill. It might be Jill and Claire. It's been a while. The remake is horrible.

So I would do, if you're going to do it, two, four, nine, seven, eight. So does one, three, and five, and six just suck? No, I mean, one is goaded, but it's dated. Sure. And a remake is coming, so just wait for that. Yeah. And then Code Veronica remake, I think. think is next year.

And that will be awesome. Okay. Which one is Code Veronica? What number? Col Veronica is just in between, it's in between either three and four or four and five. Okay. Before, when you play two remake is like unreal and it's meant to be played twice. Cool.

Because you play it from Leon's perspective and then you play it from Claire's perspective. And it's 10 hours to do both. Wow. And then four is like Unreal Yeah Just do it do it You love

It's puzzles Yeah yeah Which is appealing Yes Some of my favorite Some of my favorite Parts of like God of War

Like the old god of war games Exactly It's just the little puzzles you get to And then it's it's the best I've been playing Pocopia Oh you're obsessed Unbelievable

It's unbelievable I gotta get it It's unbelievable. Taylor and I are just playing it, sitting next to each other. And like I told you, we're over like 50 hours. And it's been out for two days. Yeah, we just got it. I'll get it for, I'll get it today. I'm not scared.

It's awesome. It feels overwhelming. And then all of a sudden you're doing your tasks and you're like going and going. And then you're just like, oh, shit, it's 4 a.m. All right. That's crazy. Santa more. I'm getting it.

Who was your starter on red or blue? A bulbosaur. Or sorry, squirtle almost always. Yeah, same. Okay. You'll be pumped. James Hosking asks, if you guys could own one piece of gear from rock history, what would you pick? It's great. I've thought about this. You have. I have a love for guitars and things that are named because it's like Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones where there's like this ice and sting and whatever, like things that are so fabled.

So there's a couple that I've thought about. Jeff Hanaman had a crazy BC rich that I believe Sammy from goat horror wound up with Now he's probably rocking it in Asabath And it was the Rain and Blood guitar So like think about what's in that You know what I mean? John Christ Danzig 1 through 3 guitar is in a hard rock in Orlando That's fucked up

Just sitting in a case And that's literally like Wayne's world like kneeling to Excalibur That's disgusting. Type shit. Yeah, you know. I think, oh, I have the answer, and this is what made me think about the question. And I think I've talked about on the show,

there's an interview with Noel Gallagher where he says he got a guitar off of Johnny Marr as a Les Paul. Yes. 70's Les Paul. And he kind of like accidentally stole it for like a decade. Ran into Johnny Marr later on. I was like, hey, I still have that guitar.

Like, if you want it. He said, oh, don't worry about it. I got it off Townsend. So it was Pete Townsend and then Johnny Marr and then Noel Gallagher, which is probably the best lineage one guitar could ever have. One guitar has ever had. So it would be that. Yeah, that's crazy. I'll be having that.

Mine would be the little Danzig's skull necklace from the cover of Lucifuge that he's holding. So cool. Give me that. Dude, the insert for Danzig, I think it's Danzig 2 is an upside on cross. Have you ever seen that? Yeah. with their photos? Yeah, but it's folded.

Yeah, it's the best. I have it on my wall. It's so cool. The guy loves Satan. It is what it is. He's basically like Glenn Benton and Glenn Danzig. Glenn Diazai. Whoa.

Jacob Thompson asks for Colin, do you think Twitchfitz helped solidify your vocals to a higher level? Or was that a trajectory you were already on? I think it is the greatest singing exercise I've ever. done in my life and it taught me so much and it has made me so much better and I wish I did it when I was 15 and not 30 something. Seeing the first time I saw Twitchfitz was on the boat, which is insane.

And I had no voice and it's still worked. And it's still worked. So pretty crazy. We're getting there. Bean Gusler said, talk about Crowbar. I mean, we're going to have them on this year 100%. Like it's going to happen.

We're working on it. It's in the works. But what they are going to, going through right now. It couldn't. So if you haven't looked at their Spotify metrics, they probably had

80,000 monthly listeners a year ago. Yeah. You know? There are over a million now. TikTok kids and the zoomers have discovered. And it's repulsive

and its splendid beauty. Is that do. No, no, when, great song, but like top 50

Crowbar songs, no. You don't think so? Fuck no. Wow. It's good. I mean, that's what happens.

when you have a thousand bangers. Yes, sure. But I wouldn't even put it in the B tier of like their songs. Wow. It's S tier of music because it's theirs. Yeah. But it's crazy what connects with people and how fast it can happen. It's amazing.

And now Kirk is on TikTok live getting galaxies sent to them. Yeah. By me. I see that in our TikTok studio reports. What I like to, and maybe this is like a weird, parissocial thing on my behalf or their behalf, I don't know. I like that they're like enamored with Kirk. I have been my whole life.

I know, but I think that that's sweet. I get it. I totally agree. They like found the music and they're like, and it's this guy? And it's this fucking guy. You know, and like that's really cool to me. What they're going through is the ultimate jackpot for any band on record six plus. Yes.

And Lord knows they are. But Crowbar is the ultimate. example of everybody that likes them, listens to them and thinks, how is this not the biggest band in the world? Right. And now the right people have found them at the right time that could actually make that happen. And when it happens to Acid Bath, a band that you could only listen to on YouTube two years

ago. Yeah. Anything is possible. It's incredible. It makes me really truly happy. I wonder what numbers and however it would be. breakdown from streams to record sales and blah blah blah compared to the 90s for crowbar does does your you know does all i had i gave playing on mtv twice a day equate anything near what i mean i'm sure that i'm

sure the i'm sure the bm i check for that was great i just now dude now i mean it's it's millions of streams a day that's what i'm saying and so and then plus tictock's shit and like yeah i don't know i think they're making and then they're drawing more than ever sold out baby I think, like, they played chain reaction a year and a half ago. Yeah. That's like, it was like 200 cap. Yeah, they played Reggie's around that time, too. They could not, they can't, they would have to play the Playdeme.

You know? It's game on for Crowbar and it's about fucking. It's about, it's like 30 years too late, or not too late, but overdue, I should say. Overdue, exactly. They were due. Incredible. Here we go. Top three R&B songs, not named Return of the Mac.

Easy. Easy. All my life, pray for someone like you. That's Casey and Jojo? I thank God. Yeah. Right? Yes.

And then I would say what genuine, well, now the answer, the question is what genuine song do I pick? Probably differences. Okay. My whole life has changed since you came in. I would say, Honorable mention would be Mario Let Me Love You Should Let Me Love You Maybe I just don't get it. Oh, my God. Unbelievable track.

The last, the actual goat probably has to be the Boys to Men version of it's so hard to say goodbye to yesterday. Damn. Great picks. I think about this all the time. Would Mariah Carey count? Like emotions? Yeah. So Emotions, when I hear that song, I actually, and the fact that it was invented so, so far before, it was written so far before modern auto tune was invented.

Do you know what I'm trying to say? Like, I think they had pitch correction at that time, but it wasn't like it is now. No. You couldn't just monotone a note. No, it wasn't, yeah, share changed the game. Yeah. So Emotions is probably one of the most unbelievable songs ever performed. In my opinion.

I love... Now I have Casey and Jojo just stuck in my head. It's so good, dude. I like Usher a lot, but I'm trying to think of, like, one of his more chill songs, probably an Usher song.

I think the Usher video where he's like the... Where he goes, put that on everything. It makes me laugh so hard. What's the one that's like, close to me, you're like my mother.

Close to me. You like my father. It's all my life. Fuck, I can't get that out of my head. I mean, it's the best song of all time. So we'll just go with that. And then seal, either Crazy or Kiss from a Rose. Crazy's, on, crazy is such a good song.

I think Crazy's a cover. I might be wrong. It's fine. Yeah, it's a banger. It's fine. Dude, you ever think about how nothing compares to you? Snaid O'Commer famously performed is just a cover? Yeah.

It's crazy. Crazy. Okay. John Berry asked, have you listened to the new Morrissey record? I listened to the singles and I thought they were. a complete ass. I haven't listened. The album art is so atrociously bad.

It's an iPhone picture taken outside of a tour at night, clearly. It's the worst picture I've ever seen. It's a statement. Yeah. I just, how do you do years of refusal? Relatively late in your career. And then you can't do that. Dude, even the one from a few years ago is good.

The world is not. Low in high school? Oh, low in high school. Yeah, that one's okay. Lo and high school is like thoroughly good, I think. Years of a refusal. to me is like an incredible back to form. We've talked about this, obviously. But that was, that was 17.

Yeah, straight up. And I don't know how you don't go. Ah, but we should probably do version two of that. Yeah. I get it. It is what it is. Yeah. Daniel, this is a great question, Daniel Guerrero.

Daniel Guerrero asks, I've been going to shows for about two years now. Welcome. And it seems like everyone just knows each other. And that happens. How y'all know each other? We went to hardcore together. Yeah.

You know, that's literally how it works. It seems intimidating to spark up a conversation and make friends. How do you guys make your first friends in the hardcore space? I had a brother, so that helped. And also I was 14, and I was moshing borderline naked. And that was funny. I wouldn't recommend doing that. But it caught on and people wanted to know what this guy was all about.

But if you come around long enough, it'll happen. You know, I think a big thing is just talking to people and kind of getting your face in their mind. And literally it could be as simple as, oh, dude, that madball shirt is sick. You know what I mean? That's what my good friend, Jan, did that to me verbatim when I was 15. And I was like, who the fuck is that guy? But it made me remember him forever. And he was so outgoing.

He was like, that's a sick shirt, dude. And it was literally a madball shirt. That's my point is like Just yeah, just be around You just be around and just talk and don't Don't overdo it or anything But just you're two years You're brand new

You'll get you'll 100% And then you know you find Social media and blah blah blah You'll get there If you guys opened a bar tavern restaurant What would the vibe be and what would you name it? I would never open a bar tavern or restaurant But I'm telling you I got this idea for a movie theater

You really does You can't share it I'm not going to share it, but I think I, like, I'm going to do everything in my power before I die to make it a reality. And if whenever I can tell you, I will. But I would open a cafe. Sure. I wouldn't want to be involved in it, like in running it because it seems like such a awful, terrible, expensive thing. Yeah.

But like, what's cooler than a coffee shop that's just like bump it, you know? Oh, nothing, nothing. Like, I'm never going to make Zomu coffee. Yeah, totally. So I'm going to go support Zomu coffee whenever possible. Fully. fully agree. There is a family guy experience in Chicago right now in a place where it doesn't make sense.

They have the drunken clam neon sign. Oh, that's cool. And then everything on the outside is painted like a cartoon. I love it. I don't know what's inside. I'm on my way. But, yeah. That's not in Cohog, Rhode Island or anywhere in Rhode Island.

It's Chicago, Illinois. Okay. Scott McLaugh asks, on the topic of breakdowns, you guys have said that what comes before and what comes after are just as important as the breakdown itself. And I could not agree. To this day, I still stand by it. Can you give some examples of songs that do the post breakdown part correctly? Oh.

I'm a firm believer that the buildup is the most important part. And I typically don't care what comes after it, but I'd love to see what you mean. Okay. The buildup, think about if the song ends at the breakdown, yeah, it doesn't matter what comes after. Doomsayer, you know? Your doom awaits you and that big silence of the reason that part hits, not necessarily, and not just the breakdown.

To carry the load and Thrones of Blood were my top two breakdowns in our best breakdowns episode. Both are preceded by suffocation. Thrones of Blood has the which is the greatest breakdown buildup in history. The hardest, I should say. To Carobar to carry the load

has the shun, Kung, kinkin, kinkin, kink. And the fake out like three times. Three times. They make you earn it. And then it finally hits and it and it's like Martin Scorsese, the absolute cinema. But the suffocated Thrones of Blood has that insane blast part after.

That to me is like, I'm just as excited for that to come. Oh, interesting. Gang, gang, gang, gang, can. It's like a fast part. And I love that. I think if the song's not over after the big pit, you got to do something cool. That's when I think what comes after is important.

Okay. There's two examples. Very good. There's two examples that kind of do both of the things that we're talking about. One we just talked about with Randy. Now you've got something to die for before the big, something to die. Where it's slow, it's like a stomp part where it's like,

Burk an cana gun-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. That, to me, like what Glock-McGlock, whatever thing is. Like he's saying, it's like, that pre-part to me is way harder than what comes after, because it's so full-on. But then, like, you're saying it ends, so it works, you know? Mm-hmm. And it just ends. A good example of pre-during and then post is, again, blistered or age of apocalypse by, blistered by strife, Apocalypse now, sorry, by

Chrome eggs, where they do the big into a two-step part and then into dint-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-lint-d-lint-d-d-lint-d-d-d-d-d-d- Yeah. That, like, I mean, that's still some of the greatest Mosh science ever.

And I know it's a dead horse at this point, but that is the example of like pre-during and post. It's perfect. They did it somehow. Everything is deliberate and everything is perfect. Yeah. Patrick Ostra.

says, name your sword, a la Lord of the Rings. I love the ones that like, so like Arthur Dane, a mythical figure in the Song of Ice and Fire universe, was a king's guard to Varus Targaryen, the guy, the mad king, right? And he's supposedly, his name is sword of the morning because he's just, he's, supposedly he's the number one swordsman of all time. He beats Barrison Selmy. He beats Jamie Lannister. In the show, he loses to Ned, which is kind of bullshit.

His sword is just called Dawn. I think that's sick. Like, it's not necessarily like, killer or whatever. You know, it's Dawn or Ice. Like, shit like that is fucking... Dawn is... Don goes crazy. Don is...

He just pulled out Dawn. And the Hilt has a rising sun on the... On the Hill guard. Like, it's just crazy. That's good shit. So, mine would be something like that, where it would literally be like... Glacier

There's just something kind of innocuous Sure, no, that's cool Yeah I mean, since the Moonlight Great Sword is taken Mine would be a Katana just called Zuma There it is Hats off to you

God, he is wailing Zuma Zuma Yeah, oh no That's okay Kiki PM asks In today's economic climate Regarding playing live music I've wondered

Does it make more sense for bands to stick to playing lots of festivals versus taking your chances booking a full tour. I think a it depends on the band but like let's there's something there's this big discourse right now around Harry Styles Madison Square Garden

residency. Huh. His fans are furious that he's doing this instead of touring that he's doing like 10 days or 30 days at the most prestigious venue in the world over economically like you're burning money touring. And that's a fact. So costly.

Whereas being set up in one building, not having to travel to and from that building every day, A, people are going to get the best performance possible because they're not tired. They're human beings. B, yeah, it makes a lot more sense economically to do something like that for sure, like a residency. Yeah.

But yeah, I think, playing a one-off festival costs a lot to do. If you're flying and getting a hotel for one day, that makes less economic sense than touring to that festival. If you're doing a string of festivals,

that makes much more sense. But no, I would say overall, barring van issues and unexpected overhead, touring, I think, still makes more sense. sense economically. Well, what makes the most sense economically is a hybrid.

Is touring around the festival season, which is what most bands will do. That's what everybody does. And it's so funny to, it's so crazy that people, like, the average person still doesn't understand that because I'll see posts and tweets that are like, I don't understand why these bands can't play a regular

show around Lollapalooza in Chicago. It's like, well, because they're playing Lollapalooza in Chicago. Yeah, they're not allowed to do that. It's just part of, that's how it works. And especially for something like Lollapalooza, that's going to be one of the biggest paydays your band ever gets. There's a band. Like just speaking plainly here. Yeah.

That doing that versus a club show at fucking sub-tee. Yeah, right. It's like, okay, well, our answer is clear here. Unless you're the foo fighters and you can go, yeah, we're going to do whatever we want and we can do both. Yes. Or else we're not playing. And the Harry Seals thing, too, is like, have you ever done two days in the same venue on a tour? Yeah.

It's the greatest thing. It's the greatest thing of all time. So, yeah, I would do that forever in Madison Square Garden. If I'm Billy Joel, I'm never stopping that. Exactly. Exactly. There's a band. I'm blanking on the name right now, but they're doing, it's called The From Now to Infinity,

and they're doing a residency at the Metro. And every time a day sells out, they added another one, and they're on, like, day eight. They're doing it in July. Yeah, it's incredible. It's fucking rocks. I love that. What is a lesser-known? slash sleeper band or artist with a near perfect discography.

The answer is, the answer is Triptocon to me. Really? Like, zero skips. Zero. Interesting. And I allegedly there's a new record coming this year. No shit. Which, if that is the case, game over.

I'm not sure. I don't think it's any band that we haven't talked about on this show a billion times. Probably, yeah. But for me, like any time, you know, a band that I don't think gets, enough flowers that we've also talked about but I'll just bring them up again as Black Breath. Oh, banger. Banger.

Like, just a great band that I don't think people realize how much they kind of changed the terrain of what was going on at the time. They were bound to be like the next big thing. I fully agree. It was set in stone. It was happening.

And they were obviously, they were very popular. They were, like, I'm not saying they were like lesser known or underground or anything. I mean, they were underground, but I'm not saying they weren't like known. I'm just, I feel like they didn't quite, they didn't get what they deserved, fortunately, you know.

Yeah, I would agree. Puma Thurman asked, that's funny, that was one of, that was one of Cales rap names. Oh. Puma Pants, I think was another one. And then, what was another one? Puma Thurman. Puma Thurman is crazy. Hey, guys, thanks for the exceptionally great episodes lately.

Thank you. Curious what your most unlikely source of inspiration has been when writing music. Something you lifted or incorporated in some way or another that you think. think wouldn't people wouldn't believe if you told them i've already talked about the barry white one a thousand fucking times insane uh there's there's a note for note hans zimmer part in a different god's hate song that when i saw hans zimmer he performed the way that we do it really and it made me think somebody in his camp heard it and was like yo we got to do it like this because i changed it in a way and played it in a different way and then they

extended it and played it in the same way that I did. What if you're just on the same wavelength as Hans, you know? I mean, I always am. But barring that, like in the moment, I was looking around like, does anybody hear I'm watching my being like,

he's doing mine? But that's, that's the big one. We've had questions like this before. I don't know if there's anything that really comes to mind for, for Hormsway. That doesn't seem obvious. It's like, yeah, yep, Godflesh. You know.

Yeah. Jordan Buchanan said, we just had our first baby in December, Mazel. Mazel. What hardcore, he said, thanks for the Mazel. That's really funny. What hardcore slash adjacent songs do you think I should remix into lullabies to sing to her? There is some Spotify group that does, that's doing this already. And they're so good.

There's like saves the day songs and there's like all kinds of. The Pearl Jam. There's a Pearl Jam. 10 lullaby version. Yes. That I listen to. It's fucking awesome. What's that called?

Do you remember? I don't know. It's like lullaby version. Yeah, yeah, right. It's crazy. So Jordan, don't worry about the hardcore ones. Go listen to what this guy's actually doing and listen to the Pearl Jam baby remixes. They're fire.

But other than that, New York City by Matt Ball. Oh, yeah, that'd be good. It makes my... Ding. Like xylophone. Yeah. There we go. Tyler Davis asked,

what is in your opinions the perfect Mosh song? Where like you're physically standing there. You gotta go. They're playing and like all forms of mosh occur. The first thing that came to mind just now was forsaken by Harder Demons.

Start to finish. Dude. And then you're... I remember so when I first saw them, Bruce was back singing with them temporarily. and they played, I remember being like, oh, they're not playing any of the songs I knew because it was self-titled was out.

So I was confused as to what it was going on. I didn't know the lore. I was very young. And they got to that part. And I was like, oh, this part's fucking awesome. I have to listen to this record. You know, it made me like, but that is the part. Oh, yeah.

That made me like, oh, I need to listen to the record that this singer's on, apparently. Because people were saying, like, oh, it's the first. I'm thinking is Bruce. I know. I'm saying Bruce was back singing with the band. Oh, Bruce is back and you were not aware of the...

I was totally aware. I was like, well, this isn't time bomb, you know? I didn't get it. I got you. I understand that. So that... That song in front to back is literally all pit. Like, the whole song.

Mine would be... Disgrace conquered. Dude. Is that gag-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-. No, that... is uh is it not that's that's uh from the lp Concord is from the the harness split and the LP but Concord is uh Gan an Gan an Ganon again a damn but the bit bit bit bit bit bit but a bit of manna ben a bab but the but yeah yeah but did the bit of bit of bit of but

Bhabba but but but but unbelievable. Unreal. Here we go. Chris Yates asked what hardcore bands from the 90s do you think? would be huge if they debuted in 2026. Sand Black Church. You think so?

There is such an appetite for weird. There is. That's true. And nobody did it's bad brains and slayer combined. It's pretty weird.

It's like so effectively it's insane. And I think that if that was like a new band now, people would be like this is better than everything. What are we doing? They would be headlining everything.

Yeah. They were, this VOD was big back then, are coming, playing again. And I think if they were brand new now, people would eat it. Oh, it would be, it would change the average. Same with like a lot of that stuff like inside out. Like no spiritual surrender today. I think people would be all over. I think people are are dying for anything with something to say. Yeah. Yeah. So stuff like VOD inside out fucking. Even a, uh, unbroken.

Like even stuff like that You know what I mean Which I think if that debuted today People would be like this is unbelievable And also stricken If I promise the world gets a hold of stricken It's game over The world will end

Oh shit Civilization has ended All music will be erased But you are left with the task Of leaving music for creatures of the future To find in a time capsule Beautiful What's bands or specific records

Would you leave in a capsule to be discovered Six records Six records Wow I used to play this game in my head In high school Where I'd be like if all music If I could go back in time

How would I make the perfect hardcore record By taking all these songs that I know Oh like yeah Like go back and invest in Bitcoin But for hardcore records Yeah carry on song Like I would literally like assemble a record Does it have to be hardcore?

Is it just no I think it's all music All music's a race That's huge We have to pick six records Okay let's put in a Smith's record we know we're going to put a Smith's record in

or a Ma's record well a Queen is dead or probably Queen is either Queen is dead or in my opinion Vauxhall you're are you a you're the Quarry guy Oh I mean yeah but like

Vox Hall is kind of the best of both world Yeah I think so too So I'm listen I'm down with him He would be worshipped like a deity If this was one of the six I'm saying I'm saying Voxel Vox Hall and I, like, rain and blood.

Because you can restart extreme music all over again just with that. And hello, it's perfect. Yeah. Probably fucking some Beatles record. And I say that as like not a huge Beatles guy, but it's just like, that is the blueprint. Yeah. That needs to be there. Which one would you pick?

Let it be, probably. Beautiful. I'm a big let it be guy. I love all the later shit. Abby Road. Rubber soul, you get weird with it? Yeah, I mean, I like Sergeant Pepper. Cool.

So one of them I think I think let it be would be the one Probably like Zeppelin Thriller Yeah thriller Yeah We need some women up in here Oh give me

Carry carry all pop music No problem Throw Throw Gaga in there No problem Put art pop in there Yeah It's just what record

What single record do you pick You know Yeah What is how do I know And I want to dance with somebody On whatever that record is. You could put like, I mean, Whitney Greatest Hits would truly be kind of the way to go.

Yeah. And then like Elvis, 50 million Elvis fans. I got it. Elvis Christmas. Okay, cool. Fullly rounded out. There's no way to round this down to six, so that'll just, that'll have to do. They would open up that pot in the future and be like, oh, what is this?

If there was one punk record, what would it be? Um, one single punk record. Probably like, this is not even to sound like some old head, New York guy, but probably a bad brains record or, or the Minotretrette record. Mine a Tret, Miningt, Disgog or Bad Brains roar. Yeah. Probably. Uh, Colton Cawkins asked, do you guys prefer to listen to a full album at the gym or do you have a specific playlist? I will, when I'm listening to a new record, I will always listen to it all the way through.

that's kind of like I don't start records unless I have that chunk of time to be able to do that and that actually prevents me from listening to records as soon as I would like to sure you know because I don't always have 40 minutes or whatever so yeah um I'm pretty much full album always for any reason yeah I don't I don't play this guy I don't do that you know what I am is a I feel like listening to crowbar I just play their top songs and let it rip Because they're kind of the best band to do that, too. Some you can't do that. Some you can't.

But, like, dude, you know who he's got a great top whatever songs? Is it Cannibal Corpse? You just start that and it's all hits. Brendan Hessey asked, what was the most recent piece of media you used to dislike, but have since revisited and changed your mind on? And why, to me, that would be the Resident Evil 4 remake. It truly did not connect with me when it came out a couple of years ago.

I was playing it sitting here pissed off thinking they've desecrated the goat and now I just needed more Resident Evil and it is hitting me it's like I've never played it before it's unbelievable. Well fascinating Yeah There is an abridged

Dragon Ball Z I don't know if you've heard about this Are you a DBZ guy at all? So I think it's called I think it's DBZ Akai or something Forgive me if I'm getting it wrong But it gets rid of all of the in-between stuff That's nice

Like Gohan hunting and running from a dinosaur while the sayans are on their way that's gone and it's just straight to to it and I simultaneously get it because if I ever watch the series I tend to skip over that stuff but I also hate it because I know it wasn't the original it's just a lot dude it's a lot of fading to black and fading and a house and yeah and just a lot of like the go a grown up gohan being say a man is nothing you know like it so there was that that that's probably comes to mind I'm probably going to watch it soon because it also it's like dude episode i saw a breakdown it was like episode 100 of the original dragon ball z and it's like frieza like like it takes a hundred episodes

to get to freeza to get to freeza and then episode of the abridged one is like sell like it's way or boo so it's all boo boo freeza and all that is wow okay yeah i would love that it's way how do i find that i'll i'll find it yeah please uh this is a great question here this one is actually from me what is the best way to maintain your energy, support your gut health, your immune health, and come out of your winter slump and reset for the season ahead. I thought you'd never ask. This is a perfect question.

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so far. So far. Yeah, I would say Jeremy's secret voice. Yeah, that's probably number one, huh? That's Washington. It was like in terms of sheer shock and I want you all to know that our reaction is a so natural. But the video, what the video doesn't capture is due to compressions and limiters. Yeah. How much louder the secret voice is than his normal voice. It was, I'm not just.

joking when I say it's like the Dune voice, the Ben and Jeserite voice. It was like frighteningly loud. It was it was as if he had a megaphone in our faces and it was so shocking. Yeah. That is the greatest moment in the history of the show. I would say something with Davy. I think making him laugh. I really liked that. Yeah, that was good. You know what I watched not too long ago that is just so awesome was our Sweetwater episode. The Dap in the racquetball room is so awesome. Yeah. My favorite part in that is when we're in the theater.

Yeah. And Tad is texting the reverb by going, my back hurts. That really got me. I think stigma. Oh, yeah. Stigma's apartment. Stigma's apartment, I would say for me personally is the moment where he's says, so December 21st, when I go, oh, my mom's birthday.

And he goes, wow, anyway. Wow. Anyway. That fucks me up. All of those. Okay. Okay. Anyway. It's so funny. Those are really good.

And I think something I think about in reference all the time is calling the lady at the hotel at the Tutweiler. That was awesome. In the furnace episode. I wish we should do more of that. That was really fun. Just calling motherfuckers. And in the justice episode, when we called. I'll clip it to see if he has shit in his underwear.

Uh-huh. I like that one. Spot check. Yeah. He goes, what? Oh. Snurb asks, Bo, what conspiracy theories are you into right now?

Let me tell you something. Keep it simple. Let me talk to you. I don't want to have Stephen to have to edit too much out. No, no. It's just with all the stuff going on right now, uh, I believe distractions are real.

Yeah. I believe. Oh yeah, we're going to tell you everything about aliens. Yeah. While we're just decimating Iran. I think if you look at the Google search trends about certain files and then certain conflicts and see how they completely intersect and are now inversed, it just makes you wonder. I don't know.

I don't know. I think it's kind of a big thing to orchestrate to cover. But then again, what wouldn't you do to cover stuff up? So I guess. 100%. Yeah. Very good. Farts and buzz.

asked, what is the last piece of music you want to hear before you die? Oh, that's beautiful. Frank's not from my way. You know? I want to know in my deathbed. I don't know. I just want to be like, tell him Frankie, you know? Like when he's when he says fucking, uh, what is a man?

What does he got? Is not himself? Then he has not. To say the things he really feels. And not the words of one who kneels. The record shows. I took the blows. And did it my

I want to be laying there just like That's how it's my way My would be some Bjork song probably Either unravel or Aurora I just want to drift and go peacefully I think unravels one of the most beautiful songs Ever written Dude agreed

Did you see her perform with Rosalia At the Brit Awards She's still got it baby Do you see how much she's moving around In the back before she comes out? Yeah yeah That's so funny dude she's like

fuck I gotta see this one and then she dude the place explodes when she walks up she's the goat she's the goat I have to play the song

I didn't write she don't like leaving home but Rosalia got her Bruce Sheldon asks what do you think is the sweet spot in terms of

number of band members obviously like a three a goaded three piece is the sickest thing ever yeah it's about as cool as it gets

yeah a goaded four piece with a with a shredder and the rhythm guy on lead vocals is amazing. Tried and true. Tried and true, you know. For like mainstream music, that's kind of like the ultimate recipe. Yeah.

And then you could be like you could be Green Day who has got six guys on stage now. Right, right. But they're a three-piece band. And then five, for our kind of music, a standalone singer is just so paramount. So paramount. So paramount. And it sucks watching good band. who don't have a standalone singer

because you can tell there's a missing element. You know what I mean? Agreed. And some, you know, nails got away with it. You know what I mean? Like nails, nails did it. Because they got the swag and the tunes. Exactly.

You know? They were rocking the hard. Yeah. And if they weren't rocking hard, it wouldn't work. Totally agree. And if the songs weren't so good, it wouldn't work. Would you ever do a hauntler where you both spend the night somewhere haunted?

Absolutely. 100%. That sounds so fun. If any haunted places want us to do that, just hit us up. Straight up. We'll do fear. We'll do MTV fear. Oh, I'm there, dude.

I'll have a chest cam. I'll be running around scaring the shit out of Colin. I would love that. Pentegram Panic asks, how do you feel about the Tidedown and Rumble lineups? Fantastic. They've done it. Greatest Rumble lineup ever.

Easily. And the, dude, tied down having blood for blood, carry on. The pre-show. Is Eutha today at the print shop? Come on. What is happening? How do they do it? Martin Scorsese is the absolute cinema.

I want to talk about the Rumble quickly. This year, headlining is Hey, Breed one day, 100 Demons one day. Go look at the full lineup. It's fantastic. They did it. But pulling in these two to headline,

I think is particularly impressive and so cool. I'm so happy and proud of them of that whole team for doing that. You guys got to come to the Rumble. Come to the Rumble. Come to the Rumble. Come come. Yeah, I'll be there. Can't wait. It's fantastic.

I can't wait for people to hear this Hunter Demon's record. I'll tell you what. Alex asked, you all got any games on your phone? I do. Yeah. I got Slay the Spire on my phone, which is one of... Oh, the second one just came out. Did it?

Oh, shit. Games are coming. Dude, there's a game that comes out tomorrow called 1348. It's like a medieval game. And then fucking Crimson Desert comes out in a week. Oh, I want that. I'm going to be having that. I've been playing magic.

on the phone a little bit. Uh-oh. I've been dabbling. You've always kind of dabbled, though. Yeah, I've always dabbled with the, like, phone version. And the idea of building a deck is just so daunting to me. Every time, dude. And it's the same with, like, the Gwent game and Harthstone, where it's like, all right, no, you can build your own.

It's like, I see, Gwent is different. I never, I had no hesitation there. It was like, oh, I fully understand what I need. I mean, the bullshit, Gwen game. Oh, yeah. The phone game, not the actual in-game game. But not the real. But that the real good.

Which is the greatest, which is a better card game than magic. Makes me want to play the game just to play the game. I agree. Cody Allen asks, favorite Halloween movie and favorite scream movie. Okay. Thoughts on Scream 7 if y'all have seen it. Abysmal dog shit. My favorite scream movie is two or four.

You know what I really like about two is what was the name of the movie in the movie? Stab. Stab. I love that the one's story becomes a in-canon movie. Like, that was just a cool layer. And then in four, they parody how many sequels there are, and what a ridiculous fucking thing it is. Aha.

And the whole intro is like stab seven, stab eight. I see. And now the franchise has become what it has parodied in screen. Its own hubris. Favorite Halloween movie is Halloween two. Nice. Brutal. When he drowns the chick in the boiling water.

Oh my God. Halloween 1 is like... It's proto, dude. It's almost too comforting for me to be scared. You know, it's like Hellhammer before Celtic Falls. It is... What an unbelievable analogy, though. It's like it's all there.

It's all there. But it wasn't just as refined yet. And two is fucking... Two is great. And it was like a year later. It's insane. Is it true that the new screen had like AI shit in it? Oh, it's like about AI.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I mean, I think they, I've seen something about like, they used AI to write this, but I would believe that they used AI to write the AI parts as like a bit maybe. Which, oh, okay. Either way, it is the, by far the worst screen movie. The dumbest reveal I've ever seen. Great. I don't understand.

While you're watching it, you're like, I don't know what the fuck she's talking. this person's talking about minor spoiler in there. But I. No good, man. I love Scream One. That, I remember, I remember watching it for the first time writing it from Blockbuster. And being horrified at how Drew Barrymore dies. Like right away, just being like, oh my God.

Yeah. I mean, that's all time. Yeah. Maddie Solberg asked y'all rocking with the big arch. Haven't tried it. That's great. Is it? Now what?

There's a, there's a weird. There's a sauce on there. I don't know if you'll like it. It's not a Big Mac sauce. I know. It's like a tangy. It's mayo based. I looked it up.

It's really good. The cheese is delicious. Is it? The burger's huge. Yeah. Is it bigger than a Big Mac? Wow. When you're pulling it out, you're like, oh, my God.

It feels like a Mondo burger. You know? I haven't tried it yet. You know what I had last night, Colin that just hit like the Dickens? Tell me. Just some wing stop. Every time. Every time.

The new Korean barbecue is. fucking awesome. Spicy cream? Yeah. Oh, it's one of my favorite. It's awesome. It's probably my second favorite. That and something about my wing stop now, dude.

They know. It delivers to me in like 20 minutes. Why would I leave when I can pay somebody top dollar rings? You know? And it's freshest can be. It was like torrential downpouring in Chicago last night. And I had to, my whole street flooded. I had to like wade out to get my wing stop.

Not good. I like when they're like, it's raining. please tip your drivers. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's when I'm like 40%. It's pretty dope. Hit the max button in those times.

I believe that DoorDash and Postmates and Grubhub delivery drivers of any kind should be making fucking 40 bucks an hour. 100%. Because it's such an insane thing that they do. Especially when like Waymo is taking one of the sole gig economy things left. And now this Coco bullshit. What is that? The little robots. Oh, I mean, they need to be set fire, set ablaze.

Yeah, they're here now. Set them ablaze, dude. They're in Chicago now. It's crazy. They're all scum. It's bad. Scum of the earth. Not good.

I never thought I would hate R2D2. Dude, you know, it makes me, because they put, you know, they put eyes on the front of these things to humanize them so that you do feel sympathy, which is so fucked up. I feel nothing. AJ asked, talk to us about Hellfest West. What a crazy thing, dude. It was, it was the, such much. much younger demographic than I imagine. Seemed that way.

The kids love metalcore. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. And it was really cool. Like, I mean, sky came falling,

had a line out the fucking door for merch, you know? Wow. And it's, it's such an interesting time. It is, in music right now. It is the,

probably the last form of this subgenre that I would have expected to catch at this time. Truly, I wouldn't have thought that this would be the one. Yeah, I mean, Dude, and they said favorite sets. Legitimately, I think the best set I saw all day,

like reaction-wise, performance-wise, was shattered run. Which is insane. Like, that's crazy. And I say that respectfully. Saw them 20 years ago. I've seen them a billion times. You know?

And I've never seen it like that in California. That's amazing. It was insane. It's fucking awesome. Our set was fun. We definitely did. So we played intro. against I.

Yeah. By the bad brains. Which I haven't seen a video of and I'm very upset. Maybe it'll happen. I don't know. I don't know that anybody was recording it. Yeah. But it was definitely kind of like, okay, we're on this show of things that we don't sound like.

Yeah. Which is not abnormal for us. Sure. But in this case, it was very much one thing and then us. So it was like, all right, we'll give them a little something different. It was a, it was a fun confrontational move, you know? Yes. Yeah.

It was a litmus test to like, okay, what do you? you. Yeah. Who knows this song? Who knows this? Yeah, totally. Drew Pizza Dog asked, Colin,

when was the last time you didn't play Sound and Fury? Man, what a great question. 2023. No, I played. The first one that we did,

you didn't play. God's hate play. 2023 was switching tongues and God's hate. 204 was just switching tongues. 2025 was just God's hate. Yeah, I think we did, did we do 2022?

Mm-hmm. You played, okay, okay. I don't remember you playing, truly, because we did, fucking 14 minis. Maybe 2012, but I did play pre-shirt.

We played 2012, which is funny. You didn't. Disgrace played, too. It was awesome. They covered the video. Oh, shit. Moises Torado asks, damage ink or Deerzee? Damage ink. I don't... I love Dyer Zee. I do too, dude, but there's some of the songs on Justice, like, annoy me.

They just annoy me. I don't feel that way, dude. I think if the production was different, the record will be, borderline as lauded as as puppets. By their own self admission, they did stuff to be progressive like Prague and to be big and majestic

and like they thought it was too much. And I just I hear that in it. I hate fucking what is the second song on injustice? Do do do ding can't can't gung

yeah yeah what is that? Like once the verse comes into great, but that's the one with like... It's got like nine time signatures or some shit. They like brag about it. It's just like stuff that's just like, all right, well... Isn't that the title track?

Is that injustice for all? Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think you're right. Yeah, so it just songs like that. I don't really... But damage ink. Gant, gun, gun, dan, tic-da-gank-gank. Oh, yeah, that's insane. Oh, man. It gets me. I'm with. Pomped. John Boyga asked, what is your best pool move, swimming and or billiards?

great question great question and let me tell you I'm I'm a I'm a bit of a dining diving board like legend I can I can do some I can pull off some shit that would make you think I'm much more

flippant than I look Can you do a backflip Yes Can you do a gainer Can't I've never tried I'm too scared So scary

But I used to do this thing at our At the old pit where I would jump from the ledge To the diving board and do like this kind of like a red dragon corkscrew type thing oh sick that was my signature move i'm a big flip guy i just just a front flip but i'm not afraid to throw a flip in there that's fun no a front flip is i might as well be walking yeah yeah it feels very natural i feel nothing back in the day on on a swing set would you ever do the like back flip off of the swing seat do you yeah yeah yeah that's cool and then the thing comes back and hits you in the head um every time

Billiards, I'm a legit pro game pigeon eight ball player. So I'm pretty good at real pool. I had a lot of friends and a couple of girlfriends in high school who had full-sized pool tables. Wow. We would just play just passively all the time. And I figured out all the geometry and stuff. It's all there. So I'm pretty, that's the thing that James and I on tour will play pool fairly often.

I'd love to play you. That would be really fun. We should do that. You had absolutely destroy me. We should do like a two-we, out of three like pool, darts. Air hockey. Air hockey kind of game. Dude, darts is hard. Hard as fuck.

The actual scoring is insane. Yeah, it's, where you have to land on a combination of the same number. Yeah, it's crazier than like bowling, which has crazy scoring. Casey Soick, our base player, is very good at darts. Growing up in just rural Wisconsin, what are you going to do? What is your Waffle House order? We have two very different orders. I get the All-Star and I go,

I asked for the waffle to come later. I get scrambled eggs, just because I find scrambled eggs, the most reliable. They're not going to fuck that up. And I usually add two more eggs. I get bacon, hash brown, smothered, and covered, and diced, which is onions, cheese, and something else.

And then I just get white toast. Oh, cool. And then I get my waffle later. And if I'm feeling particularly fat, I get, I get pecans, peanut butter chips and chocolate chips. Yeah, that's insane. Just fadded up. Mine is the steak and eggs.

And I'll also get a double half. I'll get a double hash brown. Chopped. I think it's chopped smothered in cover. Yeah, that's what I get. Chop smothered. Which one is chili? Should it?

Or smothered? I think that's smothered. Okay. Yeah, I get mine hell smothered. I get mine shit It's smothered covered and dice Getting a steak

From Waffle House It's so good It's more diabolical Than Zuma's love For Denny's No it's not Why do you consider Melodic hardcore

The Dark Ages Again it's not The notes necessarily It is the time We lived through Yes Or when there's two guys One of whom

Doesn't spin kick But like Spin Kick's music And the other one Who loves to spin kick you're not I was playing in a band that sounded like

Marauder and Haypreed and it was like hey this is what I like yeah and then we would play shows and it would be like no we want to hear killing the dream

which is you know fine respect it was just it was just the it was I was not it didn't wasn't what I like that's why it was the dark age it's not what we're attracted to

musically in this genre and it was all that you got for a while imagine listening to you're doing music, whatever you like to do. And then at that time, your least favorite form of music happened to be popular. I don't know. Put yourself in those shoes.

And it was just the way that it was. It doesn't take away from anyone else's enjoyment of this thing. We just didn't particularly care for it. How come you never ask who do you do anymore? We forget. We forget. I had someone else ask us recently that we didn't ask Jeremy. Yeah, we straight up forget.

We just forget. But it isn't intentional because it's a great question. No, no, that's a great question. I love that question. What series are you currently watching? Any recommendations? You want anything? Oh, the pit, dude.

What's it about? I'm all in. It is a, it's a medical drama. Okay. That, where every episode is an hour, like 24. Oh, okay. Where it's all one, like a single shift at the trauma center of a hospital in Pittsburgh. The pit.

And at first I was like, this is trash. It's network TV. It's just network TV. on HBO. Yeah. And then you're like, thank God, this is network TV on HBO. It's unbelievable. It gives you that network TV feeling like a like SVU or something where you're like,

okay, next more, more, more. Wow. Wow. And unfortunately, it's on season two and I'm having to wait every week and not SVU with 30 seasons, ready to go. I'm not, I can't, I just don't sit down and watch television, unfortunately. I have been watching more wrestling lately than ever. Nice.

I've been enjoying it. Good stuff happening. Dude. So we were at Elimination Chamber in Chicago, saw the friend of the show, Dan Housin's fucking debut. Unbelievable. Fantastic.

He's crushing. He's crushing. It took one, it took two days. Yeah. And people were saying you are a curse with him. And it's crazy, two days.

Absolutely. They're doing his presentation very well. Also, our main man, Brody King is at the top of the game right now. Dude. Single star. Him versus swerve? at is it revolutions coming up

in L.A. Come on. It was just this past Sunday. It was amazing. Yeah, it was fantastic. I can't believe that finished. And then fucking punk came out to the Bulls to the Allen Parsons Project Bulls intro, which is the first time that has been played in that arena since the 90s Bulls.

Is that true? Yes, they had to pay out the butt for a while. I heard. And I mean, it started and I literally like, the last time, Dude, the goosiest bumps. The last time I was sitting where I was sitting and I heard that music played,

I watched Jordan play. Saw him lose at home in the 72 and 10th season, which is insane. But I was there. But I was there, my 10th birthday. Unbelievable. Yeah, so that was really, really fun. You know what was weird about that pay-per-view?

I don't know if you watched the whole thing or not. I did not. No talking. No one talked. Zero promo. Zero promo. There was some... On the telecast, too?

There was some things on the telecast of like the backstage of like, are we gonna open this box? Ah. And then like vignettes of like last week, you know. Yeah. No promos at all. Interesting.

It was interesting. But it was really fun. When you're there live, feels weird. Yeah, almost. Unimmerive. Feels like a live event. Yeah. Almost, yeah.

Master Killer of hardcore subgenres. Amazing core. Roll on the floor core. Jazz Master Corps Those are the best ones Any other? No No

What movies should be remade starring the Muppets Featuring One Human Cast Member Now you're talking Wow John Carpenter's the thing What would be hilarious Is if it was Kurt Russell anyway

Yeah And he's like I can't be the thing I'm human. Yeah. But it's all, gee, I don't know.

They're a crew. Yeah, it's just, it's just Muppets freaking out. Animals, the first thing. No,

he's not infected, but he's just insane. Yeah, he's just crazy. He's just, blah. I guess it would be like Rawl for something

would be the dog infected in the beginning. That's pretty good. I'm not, I'm not going to lie to you. That's kind of genius. I would pay, I would invest.

I would invest. I would invest personally in that. Wow. How about the Lord of the Rings's trilogy. That's so much. But the one human is like someone it's like grim a worm tongue. It's like someone not. Or like Sam.

Yeah, yeah. That'd be good. I can just carry you. This is easy. No, gee, Sam, don't worry about it. Froggo. Yeah. There you go. Froggo wouldn't have gotten far without his Sam.

If you could summon a hardcore vocalist voice, who would you choose? I mean, truly Jorge's voice is crazy. The Josta Perseverance voice that he can still summon is crazy. I think if I could just do human furnace on the drop of a dime. Dude, it's to the point now

where he sounds like like a synthesizer fully distorted, just square wave. You know, just like, and so loud and so consistent and just perfect. You know who also still sounds crazy is John Brannon.

I mean, the same. that's the same. It's like they're the same. Yes. Yes. And it's crazy. You know what I've recently discovered you can just do is cup the mic? And it's hilarious. It's so fun. I mean, on the first few Harb's Way records, James insisted on doing it. And he would, one of them he sang into a 58 or a 57. And finally, Andy was like, hey, I could just like, but James was so used to it. It's like muscle memory, you know? And I think it was on. It's so fun, dude. I've never done it until until we were practicing for

Help us and then when we did the two words part It's just two words Bruh That's awesome Yeah I had a great time I'm loving cup in the mic Nick from Connecticut asked

If you had to put a super group together But you couldn't make hardcore or punk music who are you picking and what genre are you making Couldn't make hardcore or punk music Give me Johnny Marr Give me Who's a goaded bass player? Oh give me fucking Matt Freeman

Who do I want on drums? Give me fucking I'm honestly, give me Dave Lombardo Yeah And then give me Who's a shredder? Who's another

Big Time shredder I could pick? Like metal or anything? And then give me fucking John Mayer I was good to see John Mare That's so fun And then we'll do some straight up Just like nice 80s rock Yeah

You know? That's good. I don't know about Lombardo He could do it. it, obviously. He would smoke it, dude. He's the best. He's the best. I would actually be very interested to hear him play like... That's what I'm saying. A rock song. And like, you think he couldn't do that all day, dude? Give me Lombardo.

I just want to hang out with Lombardo. You ever see Foo Fighters play rock and roll with Taylor singing and Dave on drums? No, is it awesome? It's awesome. Okay. It's great. So Dave, you'd get Dave on drums? I think Dave... I mean, that would be a great pick. I don't know if I could afford him after all that, though. That's true. That's true. Lombardo, you might be able to get it. Lovardo, I think I can make it work.

I see. Dave don't have time. Lombardo's relatively free. You ever see that clip of Dave where he's talking to Farrell and he says that all the Nirvana fills and stuff were just disco and funk? How cool is that?

I mean, you totally hear it too. Once I saw that clip, it was like, oh, glaku, glaku, glaku, yeah, it's awesome. Is Ratatoui the master killer of animated movies? I would say yes, it is. It was underrated at the time. It is an absolute technical masterpiece in every way It is highly lauded now

Yeah And uh People reference it In their in their work now I Won't argue with you I just No but I want

Because I do Because my only like well what about doesn't have the story The Ratatoui does I just watched the Super Mario movie Oh it's incredible It's so fully enjoyable and lovely. I could not agree more. You know,

I can't wait for the second one. I can't wait for the second one. It just doesn't particularly have like the story. Oh, it's, I mean, as good as it is, a shell of Rattitude, you know? Yeah. A blue shell of Rattitude. Favorite rogue-like game. Dude, these are my games.

I love these kinds of games. So I've talked about Slay the Spire, which is a card-based role. like game. So it's really weird. I love vampire survivors. I love vampire survivors. It's fucking awesome. I can't stop, you know.

I think the most effective rogue like, Hades is incredible. Oh. But I dude, Returnal is truly, was one of the first, like, early PS5 games.

So I was very immersed because I had nothing else to do. Yeah. And like finishing it, I immediately played it again. Wow. And I got so good at it that doing runs was so satisfying and rewarding.

in a way that no other rogue like made me. I didn't feel that skilled in any others. So I would say returnal. A lot of them like Hades and like Slaid the Spire depend on kind of like just luck of the look of the drops, you know? Look of the gods that you get. When you get that winning combination,

it feels so good. It's incredible. Nick asked, do you guys fuck with charkouterie? I hella fuck with a nice charkoery board. And if so, what's the go-to? Let me tell you what, Nick. You give me a big ass. chunk of Brie cheese.

Bree. A fun little knife. Some prosciutto or some fucking... Gama gul. And a cracker? Yeah. I'll sit there all day.

I like a sharp cheddar. I love either like a club cracker or just writs. Yeah. I love apple. Really? Oh, see, I don't...

I don't hear that fruit on there. I get it. I mean, when the pick, When the pickle's on there? Yeah. We do... The pickle between the cheese? Yeah.

Taylor and I will do like a whipped ricotta with honey. Like all that kind of stuff. I love that. And I do... I like capa. Capacola and what's the prosciutto? I like it. But I prefer like a salami, like a super saut.

Yeah, I love a super sauce. Some spice on there. Yeah. Colin, now that you've been a universal monster, which is true. I'm a universal monster. Is that true? Yeah, it's a universal movie. Wow.

I'm literally a universal monster. Damn. It is what it is. Now that you've been a universal monster, what other universal monsters would you be, and Bo, which universal monster would you be? I know you'd be the Wolfman. Number one, fruit, brute, cereal, fucking Wolfman, number one. I mean, Frankenstein is now, he's got to go away for a while. Yeah, what do you think of this new movie?

The bride? Yeah. I mean, I will see it. I love Jesse Buckley and I love Christian Bailey. Yeah. Is it a musical? No. You sure?

It's just like a very unique interpretation of the story. I'm not Frankenstein. You picked Wolfman. I've already been a vampire. What are we got? What's left? Invisible? Oh, no, dude.

I'm the Phantom. Yeah, Phantom. That's right. I'm the Phantom. People definitely... I've been the Phantom the whole time. What's funny is I don't think... Like me, peripherally didn't think of the phantom as being a monster in that world.

And then we did the fucking universal ride. He fully is. And he's right there. Right there. You got the creature, the mummy, invisible man. Creature's sick. Boom, done. Yeah.

We've heard you and Bo talk about ill blood and suffer and survive many times in the pod. What are both of your thoughts on torture culture? I did the torture culture tour. Yeah, that's true. It was the 2017 Life and Death Thor. Great record. Jordan. You still got it, bud.

It's a thing we talk about where they kind of made suffer survive non-canon. Sure. And then continue, you know what I mean, kind of. Like, I know they still play one or two songs. But it's a really difficult thing to follow up either of those records. And to come back after a while, you know. And I think they did it very impressively well.

Favorite album from the year you were born? Great question. Little record called Master of Puppets. Okay, there you go. Kind of my favorite record of all time. Mine would be slow, deep, and hard. Damn. On your birthday, right?

No, that was World Coming. That was World Coming down. Sorry, so sorry. Yeah. It's right there. If one was moved to California, what city is the best overall for cost? Ugh. Food, music, sports, entertainment, et cetera.

Went to L.A. for over a decade a week ago. Well, I mean, cost cannot be. Well, this is going to be interesting because we can both give two different perspectives. Yeah, I mean, I would say there's parts of the valley that you could move to and it's more affordable than other places in L.A. And then you're a half hour from everything. I would say the valley is kind of the only option unless you're fucking bawling. If you're making good money, yeah, sure you can kind of live whatever. But even if you're making good money, you can't live in a lot of parts of the valley.

Yeah. As far as food goes, it doesn't matter. Because let me tell you, something Los Angeles County has in spades is food. My God. Anywhere. We haven't talked about this column, but one of my favorite things that happens ever when we're hanging out is when you're like, what you eat? Or I say what you eat? And you say to me, what do you feel like?

And I give you genres and you go, you flip through your roller decks in your brain and you go, oh, dude. And then you pull out your phone. That's what I know. I'm in for a treat. You know. Yeah. I think last time was Sunday gravy, which we saw of crazy assault happened last time, but the food is great. Food was great.

Also, it was fucking Ace Gogi. Don't get me started on Ace Gogi. Dude, well, it's funny. I may have to go today. It's funny to talk about Colin and I, Kyle and I were going to work out at a gym where he has private access to, but he had forgotten his key. Forgot my key. So we got dropped off via Uber.

A live fitness on Van Nuys Boulevard. Check it out. Jason Cohen. great guy, the owner's awesome. Great gym. I honestly don't want the spot blown up. Yeah. And it's expensive because you get 24 hour access

and you get a key. They make it an hour and a half in. Great gym, it's got everything you need, but we couldn't work out because we couldn't get in. So then we did the opposite of working out and we just stuffed ourselves. And it ate about 300 grams of protein. If you were tasked with destroying the one ring,

who's in your fellowship? Let's go. I think we are, so if we're, are we Frodo and Sam? I think so. Okay. Obviously. I think. Who's who?

I mean, there's a little bit of both of them in both. There really is. There truly is. That's interesting. I think you're more of a Sam. You think so? Yeah. You're going off to the undying lands?

You know, I always do. Okay. I'll take it. Sam, hey, there's no wrong answer. No, yeah, no. Pippin would be. be Mac Miller. Mary would be

he's kind of level-headed but still a goof. Yeah, they both are, yeah. But Pip is Pipp is a Mac. Mary and Pippet should just be Brittany and Mac actually. That's good. I like that. Yeah, I like that.

Okay, so there's the Hobbits. I'm not bringing my wife because I know she doesn't want to go. No, she's Rosie. She's back at home. Exactly. She's waiting. Legulus. I love this question, by the way. is good. Legulus, I think, would be, you know, a real sharpshooter. That's an Alec favor. Wow. You know? Love it.

Warimir is Taylor Young. But I don't want him to die. Who's Aragon then? Because I was thinking he was Aragon. Like, who is the most noble warrior to ever. Oh, dude. Excuse me. Brody fucking King. Brody King. Brody King is Erickon. He's not Gimley. He's not Gimley. Because Brody is truly like clever. Clever like a fox. Yeah. Not that Gimley isn't, but Gimley just has a different way of problems. That's true.

That's true. Gimley would be... We need Gimley and Gandalf still. Gandalf? Yeah. Fuck, dude. Who's the sagest, wisest guy? Martine.

Oh, yeah. Easy. It's Martine, for sure. And then I think Gimley would be, you know, and obviously, stature not considered here, but somebody like a Dan Sealy. Whoa. You know? Whoa. That's a great fellowship.

great fellowship. I feel good about that. We're getting that ringing. We're getting that. We're going. Wow. All right. We're on our way.

Damn. That was a great question. That was awesome. Yeah. Mr. President asked, looking to buy some stuff from Guilty Party and that world of fashion

for the first time. Any recommendations for jeans or must have items? Yes, absolutely. Any full count pair? Like, whatever type of jeans you like, straight, wide. Yeah.

Relax. Tapered. Yeah. Full count is like the pinnacle of quality to me. I also highly recommend the Studio de Artesian, D'Artisan, Studio D. D.C.S.A.S.A. is what they call it. The 1950s pair. They're pretty light washed. If you can pull that off, they are just about the cozyest, comfiest things I've ever worn. And make sure you use code hardlore.

Yidas said there's already been some serious heat this year. What Hardlord guests of 2026 so far has left you both feeling the most inspired? I can tell you right off the bat, the thing that the single thing that somebody has said that has been like, yeah, is the Randy better is better thing? Oh my God. I've thought about it multiple times. It applies to everything. It applies to everything in your entire life. So that is the 100% undisputed.

It's like a Socratic, perfect thing to go by. Like, I'm not going to argue with anybody. Better is better. If this thing is better, it's like, okay, yeah, I'm going to leave all emotions behind it is what it is. Luke asked, what are each of your both last two to three YouTube videos watched? Should we pull it out? The answer is Vegas Matt for me. Let me just check mine.

Sorry, Steve. Mine are, mine would be today's, or yesterday's, I haven't watched today's yet because it came out while we've been recording. But I'm a Vegas Matt fiend. I watch every single day. Let's see. Okay, my last one in the last three was Kevin Nash on the debut of Danhausen. He says amazingly kind things. Fuck yeah.

It's pretty cool. Why Chicago is the opposite of every city on the planet. My algorithm knows me very well. They know you very well. And then two hours of the burnt peanut. I was probably falling asleep to it. And then surely there's some real or some use. YouTube shortened there of the guys like how many bullets would it or how many, how many, uh,

how many jars of pennies could stop a bullet, you know, finally we got the 50 Cal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Every time. Last night at the Angel Dust show, Justice proclaimed that Brandon from Big Boy is the coolest frontman in hardcore right now is the statement true. Here's something I need you understand about justice. While I don't disagree, I think Brandon's an unbelievable front man. I've heard him say this about every band he's ever toured with. His signature move is Big Boy's coolest man in the world.

Brandon's the coolest front man in the world. So, and if he's saying that, it means you're awesome. That is a fact. But let me tell you, tell you something else. The actual answer to that is justice. Yeah, that is true. He is the coolest wrong guy in the world. I went to that show

the other night when it was in Chicago. Dude, how about Angel Dust right now? It's incredible and I'm so happy for them. They fucking did it, man. They did it. It feels like the lineup is locked in. New drummer guy is awesome. Maniac, dude.

I don't know him personally or anything. I'm familiar with his name or whatever, but he's fantastic. The new songs, you know what's really nice. I've seen this both on the Angel Dust Spotify and the Converge Spotify. Top of the charts. The new record is top 10 songs. That's the dream. That's one of the best indicators that are like, hey, you got something.

Some people are listening. Yeah. And Justice was wearing this like fucking crazy button up motorcycle leather jacket shades. Coolest, just the coolest looking guy. Thoughts on the Haley Williams album that came out last August. Fantastic. I think the rollout was so cool with all the singles and the label being post-Atlantic is really clever. I think it's like a giant fuck you to music and all things.

And she's the coolest. Yeah, she could kind of do no wrong in our book. Who are your top four favorite visual artists in terms of like album art, poster, shirt, designs, paintings? Sean Taggart. Yeah. I just got a combat records cause for alarm. Yep. Dan Seagrave, disgrace, suffocation.

Frisetta, one of the greats. And right, Mark Nava, probably. That thing, you know. Oh, fucking pedibone, dude. Dude, so I was going to say, yeah, pedibone, pushead, listen. Obviously. You've maybe seen iterations and you're like, okay, I get it. But Bannon, come.

Oh, yeah. Defined a generation. Exactly. And it's undeniable. And then, yeah, probably tag it. Yeah. Cool, weird, scary. This is a great question.

Genuine question, as musicians, how do you afford some of the nicer gear you use? Obviously, I know saving and whatnot, but like, are people putting the new doneable seven strings on credit cards? 100%. Let me tell you something. We've said this before. Hard lore is powered by a firm. We owe millions. We pay in four.

Any chance we get. Or eight, or 36. Or whatever is no interest. You know what I mean? Yes. Who cares? We, you torpedo your credit for that piece of you. That's what we do.

I also like when I have a milestone, so like for my 30th birthday, I got myself a 88 Les Paul standard because I was like, I want one and I'm 30. And this is going to, I'm going to treat myself. And that's exactly what I did. I think I affirmed it, but I put some money down to make sure there was no interest. Easy. Money will mean nothing in the apocalypse. You'll be glad you have a guitar, though. That's really true.

I could barter it for clean water and canned food. Is there a particular? release you guys are looking forward to this year music movie game food item TripsCon, new record. Was food item the last thing in there? Yeah, that's awesome. The Crembleau-Rae Crunch Rap from Taco Bell. What games? A Crimson Desert. I'm

so curious about it. Yeah, I'm just curious. I just want to get it and play it and be like, this rocks or this is crap. Because it's confusing. It was, it's made by the same people who make Black Desert online. Which is a massively multiplayer game. And like, they're so.

much. It's so overwhelming that I hope it's not like that. Yeah, I don't think it will. But I just hope it was it was first designed to be multiplayer, but then they pivoted. So I think that'll be good. What movie's coming out? Oh, Mario. Yeah. And then I think Zach Craigers's Resident Evil is this year. Oh, shit. Just like for that. Are any of the Resident Evil movies? No. They're all bad. Horrible. Mela. She couldn't do it. It's just like that why they didn't do it.

They didn't do the story. They made an action. It makes no sense. Yeah. It's stupid. Mr. Chetta asked, youth crew son or beat down daughter. I think I would rather have a youth crew son and a thought daughter than beat down daughter.

I'm going to say youth crew son for sure. If you could use a wrestling finisher in a real fight, which would you choose? Burning hammer. It's his answer every time. You're fucking dead. It's the best move ever. Or a crippler cross face. Yeah.

Dude, what would be the funniest, like, just the most ridiculous one is like... A moon salt. Yeah, a moon salt. A fucking, like, razor's edge in a real fight. Just a guy being like, no! A stutter, just nothing. Yeah, that would be, that would hurt you. Yeah, it would hurt so bad.

It would hurt your ass so bad. Oh. That's a great question. How do you guys take time off from your job on tour? You just ask your employer. Yeah, every time I ever did that, I had to quit the job to go on tour. Pretty much. And then it was different because it was complicated because it was a TV.

It was Big Brother at the TV show generally. So next season would come around. I'd be like, I promise I won't do that again. Can I have a job again? And then I did it again every time. So for a lot of our really busiest touring, I worked a desk job for H&M at a call center in Chicago. I worked there for eight years. I eventually had to quit to do Warp Tour.

But basically, I'm a, I'm a personable guy. I can turn on the office charm when needed, you know. And I would just kind of buddy, buddy up with, like, everybody who could approve time off requests. Like, truly. And it was like, I wouldn't, you know, wasn't teacher's pet, kind of like scumbag. But I would definitely, like, volunteer my time, volunteer like, hey, I'll cover any, I'll cover New Year's. I don't drink. I don't care.

like I'm not going to go out and party everybody can I'll be here kind of a thing like I would do whatever I could to kind of make the team be like yeah and dude I'll never forget one time I I took like six weeks off six weeks I think we had two to three weeks paid because it was like a real job so I had like three weeks unpaid off and I mentioned it and a way up supervisor looked at my supervisor and was like six weeks and he just went yep and I kind of got lucky but And warp tour was the like, hey, it's too long. It's not fair. So I had to call it. And then after that, I worked a series of just the most miserable bullshit. Yeah. And we're just quitting every time. Every time.

And that's, that is the, that is the sacrifice. Those are kind of the two options you have is you find a job where you can make it work or you just, you're doing bullshit. You're in between things. That's why I see a lot of people get home from tours and they post like, need work, looking for work. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Favorite non-New York City, New York hardcore bands.

All at War? No, Earth Crisis. No warning. Zero tolerance. I see. I miss understood. Zero tolerance. And.

Buried alive. The crumb suckers. Earth crisis. Burried alive. Crum suckers. Where are crum suckers from? Long Island. No shit.

I thought they were from the city. No. They feel like they're from the dirty city, you know. I know. Sucking crumbs. And then probably, um, stigmata. Dying breed. Yeah.

There's a lot. There's a whole episode. So I was thinking about it when I posted the records I got yesterday and I got, destroyed the machines and calls for alarm. And I was just kind of like, these are both New York fans. This is crazy. And then it got me thinking like, there's a lot of- New York is big and there's 50 scenes.

It's crazy. Last question. What is the line between pleasant conversation amongst admirer, admirer-dmyrie and punishing? I think interrupting something is the line. Wow. Great. You know?

Everything else, like, is respectful and cool. And I think for the most, 99.9% of people are so pleasant to talk to. It means so much. Anybody with kind words, it means so much. It's so nice. Outright interrupting something is when it's like. And that's kind of the thing is like, that could be anything from a conversation that's already going on to, like, loading gear or grabbing merch or just being in the

middle of something. And it's like, yeah, sorry. I'm pouring sweat. Yeah. I've never been less comfortable. I cannot breathe. Yeah.

But at the same time, it's still like, it's still such a nice thing. I don't think I've ever gotten... We should all appreciate it. I don't think I've ever gotten out of a punishing conversation or anything and really held on to it. No, never.

You know what I mean? Like, so who gives a shit? Unless it was mean, you know, unless it was like disrespectful. But even that can be funny. Because there's the guy. when we were on the fucking Vala Maya tour.

And this isn't even punishing. This is just a guy we think about all the time. Who came up to the table after we played and went, you guys were pretty good. And we laughed so hard. He didn't buy anything. He walked away. That was nice.

That was the perfect interaction. And at the same, like, there's only, I can only say thank you so many times. Yeah. Yeah. That's when it's like,

I think the conversation has ended. Yeah, of course. I don't know what else to say. Yeah. And, you know, sometimes that's just like not knowing. It is what it is. It's just like this is maybe the only chance we'll have to talk. You know, and I get you got to get your shit in.

Yeah. I do it too. I do. And it's, it's so hard. Do that. I hate. I like, it takes so much balls to just go. to somebody and talk to him like that.

So I truly appreciate it and respect it because it's difficult for me to do. When isolation came out, we played Summer of Hate in Cleveland and Human Furnace was there. I walked up to him with a copy of the record. First pressing of isolation was like, hey man, my band just put this out. We're huge ringworm fans. I would just love for you to have this. He was holding it and it's the middle of the day and he's got a beer in one hand and a record that he now has to carry around for the rest of his day.

And he was like, thanks, man. You got a CD. and I was like, nah, just that. He went, all right. I punished the hell out of him. I brought it up to him seven years later when they were on tour with us. And he was like, oh, yeah, I remember that. Hey, man, now I'm opening for you.

What are you going to do? And he for sure left that record there. Yeah, of course. I get it. He signed us. Yeah, that's true. That's true. So whatever.

Yeah, we did that. Taylor and I did the same thing to Johnny Kelly like a year ago. Dude, yeah. Had to just be like, dude, we, love you. Yeah. Can we get a pick? Have I told the story about about when Johnny Kelly was playing, he was playing with Quiet Riot at Heavy Montreal and we were playing basketball in catering and he was walking by. Yeah, you have. We tried to roll a ball to him to be like, oh, sorry Johnny, big fans, by the way. And he just, he just didn't notice yet. So awesome. It played a big, big,

dude. Yeah, they're all big, huh? And you know what's tough is, is being like, hey, I, well, You know what sucks, dude, is being like, would you do my podcast? Yeah. Because cold, it's like the most embarrassing thing. Yes, if they don't. But then they look up the stats and they're like, oh, these clips have millions of views. Yeah, this is cool. Yeah.

I guess it's real. But having to explain it of like, hey, would you please do this podcast? Like, I swear to God, it's a real thing. It's going to work. It's so hard. I know it sucks. It sucks. But we do it.

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