HardLore - Sam Yarmuth (Triple B Records)

Episode Date: December 1, 2022

Colin and Bo chat with Triple B Records owner, and sole proprietor Sam Yarmuth about his early days doing the label in high school, touring with Have Heart, dealing with streaming as a modern record label and much more. HardLore will be at Sam's sold out AHC Fest in Boston this weekend.   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, welcome to Hardlore Stories from Tor. What's up, Bo? Hey, buddy. We've got a cool episode today, but before that, let's talk about the Hardlore Meal Box. It's available right now. Right now until Monday. This upcoming Monday, which is December the 5th.

The 5th, yes. It's an exclusive box. It looks like a happy meal, but it's not a happy meal. It's ours. Got a shirt in there, water bottle, watch, a bunch of fucking stickers, a coozy. Some pins. A bullshit. A bullshit great pin that I will wear with pride.

And you can buy a hat, a cool trucker hat outside of that. And that's our spiel. Enjoy the episode with no interruptions. Bye. Hello, welcome. It's Hardlord time. What's up, Bo? What's up, brother?

Just here, ready to rip with a very special guest. Who do we got? Wow. Man of the weekend, really. And that's, you know, that's a poignant discussion. That's kind of why this episode is happening. Now, Mr. Sam Yarmouth, Triple B, records, show promoter, record slinger, wax dealer, hat maker. Welcome to the show.

Slot machine winner. Something you two have in common. Is that true? Oh, did I wait on a slot machine with you, Bo? Dude, you won like $3,500 or something at a gas station. Oh, yeah. In the middle of, like, Texas. Yeah, and the lady was like, I've never seen nobody doing that.

She was like, that's awesome. Congratulations. And I just went back in the Fury Freedom van. Like, I just won like three grand. And they're like, cool, that's like what we're making on this entire tour. I was like, sorry. In your face, motherfuckers. No second press for you guys.

I love slots. Slots are very fun. Colin. Yeah, it's a slippery slope, but it's- Colin's got a problem. It's a big part of my life, you know. Well, I guess we've got to hit the encore this weekend after the fest. Oh, before, after, mid, during whatever we want to do.

Interviews. I got a free room at the encore in Boston on Sunday. They gave me a comp for room, so I was like, that's how I'm tapping off the weekend. Oh, that's actually awesome. You know how I know I'm a piece of shit at this point? all my Vegas stays are free now. Oh, that's pretty sick, though. Like a sick room.

But, like, that's dope, though. It is dope. But it's like, I earn that by suffering. You know? I used to get a comped at the, the Mohican son in Connecticut all the time. Like, I had, like, they were, like, at one point, I'm like, you can come here whenever you want,

just literally go on the website and do, like, your free room request. Because I was going there and just playing so much poker like seven years ago. I would say before I knew what a casino was, I knew what Mohegan Sun was. It's a great spot. I'll never forget after we got robbed from the Luxor, fuck the Luxor, and they like, we were like talking to them to like try and like, okay, well, we got really fucked over.

We're coming back to Vegas soon, like at the end of the year. Like, can we have a room? Like, can you do anything? and they were just like, no. No, sorry. Who stays at your side? To this day, my question is who stays at the Luxor? This is what's stupid, Colin,

it's because I know I've answered this for you. They have an extended lot if you're driving with a trailer. Right. That was secured. It had a patrol. Totally. Yeah, I know. Obviously.

It's funny that the reason you stayed there is why you got robbed. That is 100% correct. But hey, Sam. But Sam. How are we doing, brother? What year did Triple B start? The label or the fest? The label, first of course.

The first record came out in February of 2006. Really? 17 years ago, almost. Yeah. How old are you? I'm 17 years old and I'm 34 now. Okay. Yeah.

I just turned 35. So I didn't realize we were the same age. Yeah. You're actually older than him. both. You're not the same thing. A smidge. Just a smidge.

When do you turn 35? June, June 6. Coming right up. Right. Seven months away. It's right there. So what was the first record that the trouble would be put out? I did a split.

It's funny. People like to be like friends of mine. They're like, how does it feel that Revelation's first release was the war zone, Lower East Side, 7 inch, and yours was a split with a called Gack Attack. Gack attack. And this band earthquake from Syracke's. I used to trade records a lot when I was in high school.

I was like a record nerd. And the singer of Earthquick, I met him on, through like, How's Your Edge record trade lists. Dude, I loved How's Your Edge. Yeah, that was this. Oh, dude. When I moved to Boston, I met the guy that started that website. And I was like, you started How's Your Edge?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And out Brian Murphy, he's the man. But still comes around, too. Still Straight Edge also. There we go. So his edge is good. He would not be on the edge break list. I would trade records with Sean from Earthquick and I liked Earthquake and he was like,

we're trying to do this split. And I was like, well, I'm totally with the idea of starting a record label. So we just kind of like did that. I made 500 of them. I gave each band 100 free copies and sold the rest for $5 plus postage paid. But I paid like $1,800. for the seven inches. So I just was,

I had no idea what I was doing. Yeah. You can argue I still don't know what I'm doing, but I real, I was, I remember my dad was like, how much he saw on these for? And I was like,

$5 plus postage paid. He's like, all right, whatever. I'm just not even going to try. Saying plus postage paid is so funny. Dude, $5.

Handling postage paid. PPD, $5. PPD. That was like the thing, you know? Mail order. When I,

I don't know if I've told this story before, but when I bought the sidewalk, demo. I ordered it from John Caution directly. And it was like send money to this like my mailbox like at my family home and I'll send you a demo. You know, was how it started.

I sent him coins taped to a piece of paper because I didn't have bills. Oh, that's, what? It's a true story. Like nickels? Nichols, quarters and dimes. I was very poor and I wanted a $5

demo. Tape to a piece of paper. Like just put them in a sock or something, you know? Well, then I would have to get a package. I just wanted to drop an envelope off. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I had stamps.

Are you a, are you a triple B alumni, Bo? No. I don't believe so. Wow. Are you? Haven't gotten a lot of Chicago in there for some reason. Nobody has. Wow.

There was one day like 10 years ago, but I think that was it. Which man? Thought Crusade. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Thought Crusade was like... THOT or? Like thought. Yeah, like sex in a guy.

No, it was left, not leftovers, but like ashes of expired youth. Yeah. They were a cool band. They were fucking dope. Oh, I did do a, I did a split when I was in high school. So I think it was like the third seven inch I ever did was haunted life and maker brick. Haunted life was also turned one of the dudes, went on to be in expired youth,

not in Thalk Crusade, but is currently in a band called Gatekeeper with James from Harm's Way. So you've done plenty of Chicago, Sam. You just hate, you hate, well. That's two out of, I just ordered a new LPD the other day. That's released number 179.

Two at 179. Wow. Fuck. That is a lot. Huge. Yeah, it's been a lot. Sam, let me ask you something. I'm jumping in time a little bit

because you said the label started in 2006. Yeah. In 2010, I think. You remember getting an email from me? No, but I've had this conversation with so many people at this point. Like literally Malachi from Scalb was like, you know, I emailed you the Scalb stuff. And I was like, I don't remember that. I didn't know idea.

Do you? And that brings up a good question where when we talk to labels a lot of the time, they say that like they've never signed a single thing that was submitted to them. Even though the whole gimmick is like send demos, especially you. Oh yeah. You got that beautiful shirt with the send demo shit on it. Have you signed a sent demo? Not right off the bat, but like bands that like have sent me demos. I've later been like, hey, let's do something.

None really that recent. But I also haven't gotten demos in a long time. I'd say the last time I got like a pure demo where I was like, I got to do this. was this ban demolition from Toronto in like 2000 That was a while ago. Yeah, I was like, I mean, I was 10 years ago. Jesus.

God. Chris emailed Bannon. That's how we got on Death Wish. Is that true? Yeah. I emailed him too. I didn't get shit back. Well. The only label that responded to me, this was for sleep therapy, by the way.

I sent a cold email with like a media fire link and a bunch of info. I think media fire. Holy shit. Oh, Mediafire was the goat era. The best era of music pirating. Mediifier over Spotify all day. That was it.

Is it, dude? Metal archives, Mediifier, just like copying the URL and putting it in there. Yep. I have days of music from like the worst bands you've ever heard. You've never heard of it. Yeah. The worst fans you've never heard. Nape.

I have looked down like the email. know trash talk hit me up in 06 wow fumbled that bag yeah that's that one uh and then in 2007 mammoth grinder chris ulch emailed me really devastating really fumbled that one but were you now when you started were you trying to be a specific kind of like hardcore or like a specific kind okay not really because Mammothrander trash talk pretty Like even those two that you fumbled are pretty

Different, you know what I mean I've always been like I grew up in Orlando In like my first show is 2002 And like so that was like the UUG records heyday So like black my heart Until the end Evergreen Terrace Casey Jones like Yeah that was my yeah exactly Oh a lot of little me going

That was me dude At the social and backwards like that was me but then like i don't know i always had like love for like beat down bands and like hard stray edge bands but i also like love you today and like yeah all the old shit so like and and like 10th grade i i went to a cd store called park fcds and i just they had a huge ucd section and i remember flipping through it and i saw they had every lost and found records bootleg in there known to me and i pulled out the side by side one and i was like what the fuck is this and then one of the greatest logos of all time the guys yeah you know what the thing is

about that logo the shoes are fucking huge if you look at that if you pay attention to to the silhouette of the shoe it's bigger than like their whole torso they're they're just like me for real it's more for me to identify it you know sorry go ahead go on about side by side but yeah i just like i've always been like, I like every iteration of hardcore. I like every different style of hardcore. I've always liked every different style. There's definitely been errors of the label where like the bands I was putting out were more like in like the Boston hardcore style, like free spirits, survival mob, stuff like that. And then like now people are like, oh, Troubleby's a beat down label now because he just does gridiron and never in a game and three deep. And it's like, yeah, but like, I don't know.

Those are three of a hundred and yeah. Yeah. There's a lot. There's like different styles. And I just love every different style. And like, I just always wanted to do stuff that I liked. And like one of the first Tril B releases was a like a cougou doll style, like rock band for one of the guys from Guns Up was in it. It was called the first annual. And I was like, this is just good. So the first what? First annual.

That sounds. Nobody bought it. Those were going in mystery boxes until probably three years ago. Oh. Mystery boxes and hats. Is that your bread and butter to this day? No more mystery. I can't do mystery boxes because I don't have enough inventory to fill mystery boxes anymore.

That's a great problem. Yeah. It's a very good problem to have. Wow. Oh, but the dad hat, yeah, the hats are big. That is like your 401ks in those fucking hats at this point, right? Yeah. He sold 401,000 of them.

The hats have done well for the last, like, I think the first one I made was like 20, 13. So 10 years, those have been very good. And lately, like, the shoulder bags are people really like those, too. I'm wearing some, I'm accidentally wearing triple B shorts right now. It's so amazing. Dude, people love the shorts, too. The shorts are Tom Dom. I bought a full price, dude. Good job, Tom Dom, in front of the show. Colin. Yes, sir. What is the, like, the Harmsway killer was like the pentagram shirt and then it was Bull stuff? The Bull stuff is.

Yeah, yeah. What are the Twitching Tungs, God's Hates? Quillings was the hockey jersey for a while. I remember the hockey jersey. We discovered that brand of hockey jersey, you know, straight up, like, found, ordered samples and found it. You know, and then other bands did it, and now it doesn't exist. God's hate is the fucking shorts, man. The all overprint ones? They're insane.

Those are crazy. 7-Eleven in Orlando rocking those like a week ago. They're a very 7-Eleven. It's the very 7-11 in Orlando. I was like, this guy might kill me because, like, I don't know. It's like 2 o'clock in the morning in the middle of Orlando. He probably knows who you are. Very 7-Eleven in Orlando.

I don't get recognized very often, you know. Dude, I got rocked-dagnized today. Real quick shout out to the Mr. Brother outside of Collective Coffee, who knew me from the podcast. Wow. Oh, that's pretty cool. He went on to say, and everything else. So he's like in, you know.

Mostly. But mostly right here. It's great. Huge. Shout out. Sam. Was touring for you a thing that came before or after Triple B? After, because I started Triple B in high school and I wasn't allowed to tour in high school.

The first tour I did was winter of 2007 going into 2008. And that was my freshman year of college. So what did you teach? So we met because you TM'd a life and death. We may have met prior, but we got to know. other. Yeah. Because you DMed a life and death tour and was it 2016? Yeah, I did a great job. I crushed it. I'm being facetious. I was terrible. That was my personal only tour managing job ever. Dude, that was- What was there to manage for you? What did you do? Well, go ahead.

What did I do on that tour? Uh, awkwardly tell the promoters the guest list every night and having getting really annoyed looks. And then, uh, always making sure that my boy, Martine had a water. on top of this guitar head. He also, he would put up our banner. Oh, that's a huge job. It is actually a huge job because it's the worst. But we were playing, you know, Life and Death Tour was like six to eight bands

depending on where you were in the country. And he's TMing everyone, figuring out like two drum kits total. He's figuring out all the money shit, doing all the advancing and all the, and then we're at like, we're the direct support, I think. And we're like,

Hey, could you have a banner? Would you mind? And so when we're playing like DIY spots, so we played a, I'll never forget, we were in Detroit and you put up, you had to like tape it to the wall. Like there was nothing to put it on to. He just had to tape it flush against the wall.

And it would like fall while we were playing. And then while we're, there's a video of it while we're playing. He'd go back and put it. That's great, dude. That's above and beyond as far as I'm concerned. I earned every dollar of my job on that. Thor, if I tell.

I was always the TT banner tech, especially on life and death with, where I was, it was the twitching tongues one would be in the front because we were earliest. Backtrack was behind us. So Chris Smith was the backtrack banner tech. So you can imagine he and I having a good time.

Him being like, what does banners do, you know? Bruce Banner? And then Jordan Posner was the, no warning. No way. And he's the, most neurotic fuck to ever live.

So you can just imagine him at a DIY spot being like, there's there's nothing to do. I don't know what to do. I just, I don't, I don't. Banner tech, dude. Big gig. I'm glad we finally address that. Dude. I book that in Boston. And I don't remember there being banners, but that's

because the Elks Lodge was terrible at hanging up. We can't hang out banners at the Elks Lodge. Where was? The Cambridge Lodge upstairs. Yes. On a school night. I remember, uh, Jessica Martin drinking like a 40 outside and COA being like Jessica Martin, please step off of the premises.

This is an all-age of spot. It's good. It's very good. RIP, Elks Lodge. It's gone. Is it gone? Yeah, it's gone. I heard it's gone.

I stopped booking there because like they just were annoying to deal with. Is that in? What town was that in? Cambridge. Oh, I don't think. It's directly across the street from the Middle East. Oh, I can't wait to go there this weekend. Yeah, that's going to be fun.

Sonia and Middle East is, I heard Middle East has like been bought and sold 30 times. What's the, what's the, kill the rumors for me, would you? I actually talked to the guy that runs it now for the family. Like, he said that as of right now, they're not closing. But it could change and that it, 20203 could be the last year. What the fuck? So he was like. In case that happens, let's just go balls out in 2020.

He's like, anything you want to do, you got it. That's pretty rad. Yeah. So it's awesome. So like if A.C. Next year could be like one of the last shows at the Middle East if that happens. If not the last. If not the last.

And if that's the case, then that I kind of said I'm going to let AHC die with the Middle East. Wow. That's beautiful. I have nowhere else that you can go, even not if I wanted to for the most part. It were. What else is there to play? There's the Brighton Elks Lodge, which is new. Doug from C4 found it.

That's like a 300 cat. And it's an awesome space. They're super cool. So we have that. But for a 550, we have nowhere else. Like everywhere else is owned by Bowery or Live Nation. Motherfuckers. Yeah.

Yeah, big old, fuck you. Now, did you, attend any like I'm sure you attended many but there was an America's hardcore fest fucking it has to have been over 10 years ago that like integrity headline it was like their first time coming back it was the first time in a long time it wasn't in the city it was pretty far out um wrong side played and they introed with like the the slap shot like the march the straight edge march and cut covered last right songs.

The Great American HarkCast. Yeah, that's what you're thinking of. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of. Yeah, that was in 2009? Where was that? Because I've never, do you remember? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

It was in Revere at the Wonderland Ballroom or. Oh, my God. Cobleedo, that's what's called. Dude, sometimes you hear words that just like unlock so much, you know. The Revere just do that for you? No, no, no, no, no. It was, it was 09 and I just like remembering the day. Oh.

I'm sorry. I totally sidetracked us, but it was like a peak. It was like a turning point for us because we were like going to talk to Bridge 9 at the time. And it was like a big, you know, at the time, it was like, oh, shit. Like maybe Bridge 9 might be interested in Harm's Way kind of thing. And obviously nothing panned out. But it's just like all of that suddenly, which is like shoo into my brain. that uh if you look at the lineup for that fast i looked at it like probably a year ago it's

fucking crazy it was amazing it was every modern band except for the two bands i was in like it was i don't fight bad seed half heart chiprack integrity converge it's fucking crazy it's insane ringworm yeah it was on hammer bros i was really into hammer bros at the time. Dude, the vitality? Incredible. Crazy. Was the skull in Hammer Bros?

It's called in Hammer Bros? It's called what? Was Scull in Hammer Bros? I don't believe so. They played right after us. Like literally, like, as soon as we finished. I don't think he was in Hammer Bros. I mean, I feel like I saw him with Hammer Bros. But I could just be lying.

I'd be lying sometimes. He probably filled in. I imagine. at some point. That makes sense. Yeah. So you would let it, you would let it die? I just don't have anywhere else I can do it to the where like what I want it to be in Boston. Now if like one of these stupid corporate venues would like let us do an all ages show with stage diving and not charge us $10,000 I would maybe consider it. But like I just don't think that's quite the cards anymore.

That's a lesser of two evils kind of thing for sure. Yeah. Have you done previous, have you done this fest previously at the Middle East? Excuse my ignorance. I genuinely don't know. So the fest first started as the Triple B showcase. And those weren't Haverill at Anchors Up. 2011, 2012.

Then 2013, we did that President's Rock Club, which is Colin C-O-A's old club that he, like, managed. And then in 2014, moved it. It was for 2014 until literally 2019. 2019 was the first year where it was all at the Middle East. Up until then, it was a hybrid of the Elks Lodge across the street and the Middle East. So, like, Friday night would be in the Middle East. Then the matinee on Saturday would be in the Middle East. And then the Saturday night show would be the Elks Lodge in the big room.

And we would literally cart the back line across the street. And, like, you'd have, like, you'd see, like, 10 hardcore kids are just like grabbing shit. and like carrying it over. That was like the way that they got into the show for free is that they helped us carry all the gear over. Very cool. Yeah. Sonia being next door has got to be like just a true thing.

Oh, it's going to be very chill. You got multiple backlines or you need help, Carton? You need a couple strong boys to help you? We got, uh, I think actually we have a company backlining the cabs this year. Uh, but we're going to use our trusty, uh, drum set that we've been using since 2014 every single year. that I bought off some like wacko townie guy and it's got like a Gears of War and like a Patriot sticker on the on like the the bass drum. Perfect.

Yeah. Do you, do you, do you, uh, section off parking or like request parking or is that just a, it's a free for all baby. Oh.

And that's like that that venue is there's not parking parking for one, I would say is is, is reasonable there. I like to tell bands for the first time playing A.C. Take all your preconceived notions of fests and, like, convenience, and just throw it out the fucking window. Yeah, it's a show. You get nothing

at this one. It's a big... You don't even payed fat. It's just, this is a... This is simply like, you're just doing it for the love, baby. Yeah. I mean, you get the privilege of eating at that McDonald's across the street. I mean, that's true.

Truly one of the most legendary locations in the world, which we will be doing. Oh, yeah. Walk-up window. The late-night walk-up window inside closed. Went there a few months ago after, I went to a wedding in the, the wedding party was in the Middle East. It was awesome.

And afterwards, it didn't end to like two in the morning. We went, my girlfriend and I went to that McDonald's across street and got French fries and they were ice cold. No. Wouldn't have had it any other way, though. Just a little treat. It's a way it needs to be. Just a nice little ice cold treat.

And she was so bum. Let's go back to Sam as a lad touring fresh out of high school. Because you did some cool shit. Did a lot of tours. Yeah. Let's get into it. Yeah, what'd you do? I don't know this about you.

Oh, yeah. The first tour I ever did was it was like the Christmas break when I was in college. I would do like that like run of like post Christmas into the new year. The first one was 0708. That was Haveheart Foundation down and nothing. thing. And then one of the first triple B bands called Lye and Wait. They were from Texas.

Texas, yes. And then from the 08, 09, and 2010, I always went with Foundation because I just met the Foundation guys on that first tour. So I would always roll with Foundation like every winter. That was the first time I actually met like Dan Sealy was on one of those tours. We were both rooting. Yeah, I did Europe with Havehart and 09. I did South Africa with Half Heart.

You did that. You were there. I filmed. That's my video. That's your video that I ripped? I filmed the school video. That was me. See?

I filmed it. My favorite South American or South African hardcore band? You filmed? Yes. I can't believe. This is what we call hard lore. Yeah, I filmed that. Wow.

Did you design that shitty long sleeve that they wouldn't, they couldn't sell there? Absolutely not. It was ugly. Even like me, like back then, like I went from being like, you got to realize I went from being like a Florida like have heart like super fan to being like I'm rooting for them. This is like the coolest thing ever. And then like I even saw that long sleeve. I was like I wouldn't wear this shit.

And I would wear like anything. It was like it was really bad. Do you have any fond memories of touring with them or foundation early on? Any stories? Are you cut out? Oh, do you? Yeah. You cut out.

It must be your internet. Mine is four. No, it's my internet. Fond memories of what? Any fond memories of touring with them early on or a foundation? Any stories from tour for me? I will say the foundation tour from 2009 into 2010 was like, Dan and Josiah still like to say like that's the tour that Sam got corrupted.

That was like the first time I ever like stole. Dude. They had sticky fingers, those, those. Atlanta boys. I'll tell you what. God, man. I don't want to put them on blast too much. No, no, of course not. I'm not saying anyone in particular, but that's what I became aware. It was like, oh, it was everybody. It's not even putting anybody on blast. It was everybody, myself included. But I remember, like, being like, oh, my God, it's this easy to, like, steal from the outlets.

This is awesome. And then, yeah. And then R.E.I. comes calling. Were you part of that? No, I was not part of that. You're not banned from RIA. One of the guys on the tour, I won't say the name just in case, had a grand plan of going to the North Face door. I was like, all right, we're just going to pull the van up, have the doors open. I'm going to run in there and just grab as many jackets as possible,

run out, jump in the van, we'd peel out. And like, that's a terrible idea. They didn't do it, obviously. Like they can see you drive. They're like, okay, they got the plate. And that was one like, foundation. They had a maroon forward to E350. Yeah.

had like some very shitty old-timer-looking van. It's like this sticks out like a sore thumb on the highway. Immediately identifiable. Shirts flapping off the back. A hundred percent. Dry in the wind. That was a good one. I'm trying to think of other.

I mean, the Europe one with Half-Arre was crazy because that was still to this day, the longest tour I've ever done. That was like with Africa was like, I think six or six and a half weeks total. That's a long time. In Europe, that's like, I have six months. With no AC in the van.

In Europe? In Europe. How was that, dude, day two, I would have been buying a European musket and holding it. Somebody said. I got a funny picture. It was a really funny picture of like me. I think it's like me, Hugh Don, and Briggs. And all of us have our shirts off and we're just swaying in the backseat.

And I was just like, man, tour is not as much fun as I thought it would be. Because the summer before that, I did a full U.S. with half art. first, and that was like the most fun in the world. I was like, damn, this is sick. Touring's awesome. In 2017, we did a European tour that started on a bus with Converge. Amazing. Yeah.

And then, like, their run of the shows were done, and we had to, we went to do headlining shows in Europe with a Hungarian band. And we got into the, the sprinter, the same one that everyone. the one, my normal. That we had every fucking time. And day two, the AC broke. Day three, we, we made them fix the AC. Yeah, that's not.

It was, it was like, do this or we're not. We're paying for a service, you know? Give me the fucking service. You know what I'm saying? Two band. It was the same as our tour, Colin. No AC. But you and the band that was pretending to not speak English?

That's funny. That's a funny. A bus to no AC. Yeah, we went from the first bus tour, like the most comfort ever. Yeah, I would just go home. I'd be like, fuck this. I won't even like, we did a bust on the Tril B Euro tour this summer. I will only do a bus now.

Yeah, it'll ruin you. It'll spoil you for sure. Wait, who was on that? The Tril B tour? Yeah. It was two legs. It was two weeks with four bands and then two weeks with five bands. The first four bands were Barry Dreams, Pay a Truth, Three Knee Deep, and Life's Question.

That being in a bus is incredible. It was awesome. Did you finance that, or was it covered by the shows? Monster Energy financed it. That's fucking good. Shout out to a-shot out. Possible friends of the show, Monster. Possible friends of the show.

And then when we dropped to them, I flew out for the last week of that one just to kind of hang out. And then we dropped them off and we picked up. My band warfare played restraining order, magnitude, dead heat, and magnitude. Magnitude, played twice? Okay, magnitude, dead heat, restraining order. The fight, the fight, and the fight. The fight broke up apparently, so yeah. Okay.

So you're locking them out. Colin, do you know the office, the outtake of your shoestring salesman? No. Or you're a yarn salesman? You know that one? You just did it to Sam. I did. Magnitude play twice?

That's impressive of them, to be honest. That's a cool tour. That just happened, right? That was June into July, yeah. Oh, wow. That's awesome. I had no idea. I feel out of the league.

You've been there much more recently than we have. Yeah. Shows are cool. The bus is amazing. Oh, okay. The bus life in Europe is just too good. Sleeping? Yes.

Sleeping vertically. Sleeping horizontally. waking up in a new city. Yeah. Can't imagine. The only bad thing was none of, we were playing such small venues that don't have buses. Usually they didn't have, some of them didn't have the proper like power hookup to have the AC in the bus. So there are some days we're like, yeah, there's no AC in the bus.

So like just go dick around. But that was like London. So it's like, okay, whatever. I'll just go hang out on that anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the only hard part is some of those venues didn't have showers. So we'd have to be like how we got to shower. the all the UK venues we played none of them had a shower so we were buying day gym passes to go shower

and the yeah oh yeah and it worked we were just like switch code like we would like just share the code to get in with everybody and people would go shower and there are 24 hours so that helped but yeah just being able to like wake up and like roll out of my bunk and then I just have lumpy standing there he's just like you only won't get coffee and then you want to go eat just taking the lime scooter to go get coffee with the boys and like have the entire day to explore it's so sick they got limes in europe too now oh we were getting day passes in almost every city it's like 10 euros for the entire day so like you buy that you just lime around all day i think i would have the best time there now yeah oh it's literally so much like i did a euro tour in 2017 with freedom and fury

and that one was a rough one on a lot of different levels um but But, and I was like, after that I was like, I don't think I need to tour Europe again. I just don't think I'm cut for it. Might be a little too old now. But the bus changed everything. The bus was so sick. We already have next year's already like done pretty much. Like we're already like going to do it in a bus too.

And I was like, fuck yeah. Bus. Fuck, yeah. Three weeks on the bus. Let's go. That's cool, man. Was it the big red bus? Yep.

Yep. That's like the sprinter column. There's like, were you ever in that big red bastard of a bus? I've only been on a bus one time. It was persistence with terror. And who's on our bus? Terror Municipal Way or Iron Reagan. I own Regan.

And H2O. But it wasn't the big red bitch? I don't think it was the big red one. Was it a double decker? It was a double deck. Yeah. Double decker. So sick.

Yeah. This one's, the red one's insane because the whole top is 24. were bunks. Yep. We had every bunk filled on the second leg of that tour. Every single one was filled. And on this next one,

we're doing every single bunk is filled too. All right. It's crazy. Barry Dreams of we had like eight empty ones. Junk bunks. Love it. Yeah. Backpacks.

Yeah. Cotars and more, you know. Goodies. Good for you, man. You got you torn coming up. You wanted, are you eager to get back out there? are you kind of just like, I'll do this once a year? I'll do weekends all day.

C4, we do weekends because most of the guys are all career guys. So we can do weekends. We're doing it weekend. I'll just spoil it. Who cares? Beginning of March with exhibition, combust, and Burning Lord. So that'll hit, like, I think we're doing Boston, Hudson Valley, Toronto, and Buffalo.

Nice. That's going to go, that's like a record release, like, weekend thing for the new exhibition LP that I'm putting out. Is that announced yet? We announced like singles, but like, said LP coming soon, but it's going to drop probably in February. There you go. Exhibition LP's sick.

Yeah, they're doing real stuff. Confirm or deny another rumor for me, because I don't know anyone else who would know better. What is the turnaround time for vinyl right now for like an LP? All right. This is a good question. So for most new labels, I've heard a year

If I didn't have carpet here I would have done a spit take just now I've been hearing a year I have with one of everybody uses the place in Prague GZ me whether it's through one of the few brokers I'd do it

with one of those brokers I get in 2023 they're they press 4,000 units a month for me no matter what So every month they have to press 4,000 things that I send through to them, whether it's a triple B release or a streets of hate release or like, I mean, at this point. Do you do in days stuff? I don't do days.

Lumpy, I think, I know one of the guys at A to Z like, he's like, he even told me he's like, I love Lumpy, so I'm going to hook him up. So he does his own. But if he asked me to, I obviously would. I do, I mainly do streets of hate. I do some stuff for from within. I'm doing one thing for scheme now because Kyle hit me up and was like, they're saying September 2023. Can you help me?

And I was like, yeah, I got you. Don't worry. I can get you like May. Oh. And then. Yeah. And then I just ordered something for walking out too. And I do,

and I did something for Popwick. because I don't really have, I could fill 4,000 units with just me, but like, I don't know. It's like that's a lot to fill. Yeah, you might as well. It's like you, it's like you got season tickets for the Red Sox, you know. Exactly. You can't make the game. Yeah.

Sure. Well, that's one broker. The other broker wants me to give them my business. So they told me that they would give me three and a half to four months turn. Wow. That's really good. Even normal time. Yeah, that's huge.

So they were like, we'll give you three and a half after art approval. So if I, let's say if somebody was like, hey, can you order this LP for me? Here's everything. I could probably get in four months for them. That's crazy. I have been told that one of the reasons that Czechoslovakian plant is like one of the only plants that's used, especially in like, the niche market where it's like colored vinyl matters kind of a thing world. is because the chemicals used for colored vinyl are extremely bad for the environment.

Oh, that's probably true. And laws are very lax there in regards to the environment. So colored vinyl is like atrocious. Isn't Pirates Press in Orange County? No, that's where they're offices. Oh, is that? They're a broker through GZ just like everything. Okay, there we go.

Yeah. Interesting. That's some hard lore. That's some hard lore. destroying the world Pirates is not just a clever name The US plants I would love to use the US plants

But they just take too long I can't wait No band wants to wait nine months To release something I've done it I just did it sucks Yeah it's like not fucking fun What do you think of the Jack White plant Do you use it?

I've never used it But I don't know I heard he like won't do stuff for majors Which is cool He won't he doesn't just put out that press release that was like like Sony anybody please just opened more

plants yeah yeah why is this my job to yeah so that was cool I never asked them to be fair though so I don't know it'd be interesting I hit up like there's a plant in in Vermont called Burlington record it's like literally just Burlington record Burlington record but they do

awesome shit their shit looks so sick like they do they're all done by hand they're like all hand presses, but their turn time is way too long. That sounds like it would be forever. Yeah. And I think you can only order a thousand units or something like that. Get the fuck out of it.

And like, what about when, okay, second press. Yeah, we'll have it in a year. Yeah. And you can have a thousand. This was like 2012, 2013 where I had to like beg to get 200 pre-orders and I'd be like, I'm fucking rich. I'd be like that works. But now, like, people just buy so much stuff now that, like, I can't even.

We're at 5,000 Mind Force LPs for new wards now. Wow, that's huge. Wow. And that's like, I don't have a distributor. I don't use, like, store distributor. I do it all myself. So that's like- Are you the shipping guy, too?

No, I outsource that. I can't do that. Yeah. Between the No Pressur LP, the Mind Force LP and the newfound glory thing I did, like the repress. that there were like 7,000 outstanding vinyl orders in my store that needed to be shipped. Right now or there were? There were. They're all gone now.

They're all shipped out at this point. But like in August, when all of them had been up for pre-order, I looked at out as like 7,000 unshipped orders. I couldn't even believe I had to do that myself. How many people are part of Triple B like officially as part of the operation? Is it just? Wow. Yeah.

That's very impressive. Hey, thanks. And a fulfillment center? Yeah, the fulfillment center, they maintain the website. I don't have to do anything with that. I just send them pictures of the stuff and like the infill and like they make it all. They schedule it all. Yeah, outsourcing the mail order was a huge bump.

Run for cover was doing mine for a couple years. The only reason I outsourced it to begin with in like 2018 was because I got a full time office job because the label wasn't making dick. So I was, all right, I'm going to like be a, I'm going to work at this giant tech company in like the middle of nowhere, Massachusetts. And then I got fired. Oh, no. So then the label had to make it, right?

Well, it was funny. Like, I got fired. And like, I remember I called my dad. I was like, they just got fired. And he was like, well, you weren't really a good employee. Were you? I was like, no. Thanks, dad.

Like, honestly, like, I knew the jig. was up because like I didn't really do a lot of work. And one day I was working on, I was working on a culture abuse tape layout that I was putting out with Epitaph at my desk in my cubicle. And my boss walked up and she goes, what's that? And I was like, uh,

tape layout for my record label. She just went, hmm, okay. And just walked away. I was like, I'm getting fired soon. Two weeks later.

Two weeks? It was like two weeks later. I got fired. Well, that's nice. They give you a little time. Colin, you ever been fired? Like, technically, but it was kind of mutual. Yeah, I've had one of those for sure.

Yeah. Even that is not fun. No. Getting fired is, it's one of the worst feelings. Even if you hate the job, it's like, fuck. Yeah, I didn't really like the job, but I was like, oh, I got fired. Like, I suck. Yeah.

Yeah, it's a blow for sure. Moralizing. But, yeah, my dad was literally like, why don't you just try doing your, label like for real as an actual business and not just like to like break even and maybe you don't have to have a boss because you're not the type of person that can have a boss it seems like what did you change in that instance to for that to work right honestly really nothing it's just right then the mind force and the candy lps came out excalver and good to feel came out and those like fucking popped yeah and i was just like oh shit i sold like a thousand of all of both of these

like immediately off the writ. Yeah. And then, you know, two years later, the pandemic happened. The pandemic really exploited everything. Crazy. No shit. Oh, dude. The pandemic was like, it's really shitty to say.

No, no. Sorry to anybody out there that was like horribly affected by the pandemic. The pandemic for me was an insane reset for the business in terms of like it got people that didn't care about. I think it was actually a combination of like. Have Art Reuniting brought back a lot of people in the hardcore. I'm convinced. Interesting.

That brought back a lot of people because my sales after that, like started picking up, like in the web store, just like, oh, like, people are buying like records and shit. And even friends of mine who like hadn't been going to shows for like five or six years were like starting to come back a little bit. And then the pandemic, people were just so fucking bored, I think. And they were getting the stimulus check money. And they were just going to buy. Yeah. It's, it's, and, you know, being stuck inside, there's several generations in this two-year span. Hardcore generations are different than like people generation. Yeah, of course. Like Trappender Ice has existed through 10 hardcore generations at this point. Yeah. And three have come and gone since the pandemic. So those are three generations raised in hardcore years by hate five, six videos. And they're all so excited. They're all so.

excited and because everything's digital and visual physical goods are like such a huge deal so owning a fucking hat from their record label dude the best part of their week yeah we uh i knew things were changing in may of 2020 tom dom was like yo you should make these bathing suits and i was like those are so weird looking but okay we'll try them and did 150 pairs they sold out in like two hours and that was when I was like all right this is weird I don't think it's just records coming back I think like people are just genuinely

interested in everything again everything well we can we can attest to that I'll tell you what yeah we didn't even talk about our fucking happy mailbox that's flying the people are lore in it they really are

weren't they want the happy meal they want the happy meal thank God thank you um available now until next one I, it's interesting because that's like the opposite side of the coin for most bands. Not all bands, but most bands. It's very interesting.

And I, and I would consider my band on the opposite side of your coin because we just, we, we were fortunate enough to where like everything was kind of done anyway, like record cycles and blah, blah, blah. We only lost a couple tours. But we've been dormant for a minute and things are starting to change now. so it's interesting to hear your like yeah it was it ended up being like a boom in the end like silver lining to obviously a terrible situation like that doesn't even need to be said but it's it's very interesting i didn't know that but it also made me kind of change uh how i do things differently now like after that i was kind of like all right i like i stopped doing recoup periods for my releases to pay bands royalties um so So now I just do 50, 50 splits on the digital immediately, like no recoup at all because I'm like everything does well. Like I'm one guy.

Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like I don't have a staff to pay. And I don't even like really pay myself a paycheck either. I just literally charge most things in my life to the label thing because I can wreck those things off. Yeah. But, like, yeah, it just was like, fuck it.

Like, the last two years have been crazy. Like, let's like, I'm just going to switch it up a little bit. And like, I mean, bands are stoked now. They're like, cool. Like, just, that's how you keep bands too. Absolutely. Yeah. And like, it's my digital doesn't like make a shit a lot of money, but it's just kind of like,

so it's like, it's, you know, everybody's more excited. I feel like they're like, oh. It pays the Spotify monthly subscription bill. Yeah. Yeah. You're just like, let's go. All right, cool. And like, I have a new, and the bane of my existence for like before, uh, was just

sifting through like Excel, like when you get like the statements from your digital distributor, it's literally like thousands of pages because it's every track on every digital platform by, like per stream essentially. Yeah. So like I now have to manually go through then go, all right, mind force. Do all of it. and then like trying to figure out. But I'm,

I'm a dumbass by, you know, my production company for years was called stupid idiot productions for a reason. I would mess it up all the time. I have a new digital spot now that auto pays everybody every month. They're 50%. So like,

wow. It's like every month, it's just boom, done it. And like, I know it's 100% foolproof now. Like, I can't fuck it up at all.

Yeah, that's huge. That's amazing. I've heard, I've had firsthand accounts of this. I was just in New York. York and Harry from no pressure was like, yo, digital game change. So clearly it's working.

Bands are staying. And companies meet for that. There you go. Exactly. Yep. He knows. Sam, how would you say, what is your opinion on how people are, like, I agree with what you're saying about more people getting into it recently as like social media,

TikTok, turn style, have heart coming back, you know, like stuff. is kind of lifting everything up. But how are people, in your opinion, discovering the music itself? Like someone says like, oh, I saw this band. I really like them. How do I find more? Yeah. I don't know.

And like what sucks is like I should have asked, we did a show in Boston like a month and a half ago, like a C4 local show headliner. And there were like five, like 16 year old kids that had looked like they had never been to a show there before. And like they came and like they paid and like they had fun. I wish I asked them like how they found out about it all. Yeah. I really think it's a lot of TikTok.

Like a lot of these like you got these like pretty girls dancing. Yeah. Singing tsunami. Yeah. And I think that like they just go, what is this? And then like, you know, a kid can go. I mean, if there are anything like how I was when I was their age like, and like, Bo, you're like Colin. We all probably looked in the CD like, who are they thanking?

Who are they thanking? Yeah. Who are they thinking? I looked in the youth of today. I looked and break down the walls and they thanked like all of the bands I went on to love. Yeah. You know what I mean? It was like first and foremost,

rabies and war zone and youth defense league. And it was just, oh, it was like, oh, okay. So you probably have these kids who are like seeing like, all right, this like hot girl with tattoos is dancing to tsunami. Who's tsunami? Then they like go to the tsunami's Twitter and they see them like reposting stuff from like never ending game or like paying truth. and then through that,

they're probably just doing the digital version of like just looking through the thanks list, as they say. Yeah, yeah. Like on the bottom of the Spotify, there's the like for listeners. And that too, yeah. It's dog shit.

It's one of the most active. It's a very bad algorithm I've ever seen. Yeah. It is really bad. I don't know if like the turnstile effect is as potent as some people will think. And I'm only going based on like, Al Henry, he was on tour with

Turnstile like doing like the video stuff and he was asking kids like, how did you hear about turnstile? And all those kids were like, oh, I just saw like footage of them playing a big fest on YouTube. Yeah. And like they don't know anything about any of the hardcore bands. Now they're very open minded though. Like I saw that turnstile tour in Orlando and day by day open.

And those kids were going buck for day by day. Like, and they had no idea who day by day was. So hopefully like they went home and they went home and they're like, all right, what's this band? You know, in my head, I'm like, I hope they, like, kind of do, like, the thing that I did. Like, when I saw complete chaos for the first time I had show, I was like, I needed know everything.

Yeah. And that's the goal with being in a band that big and putting bands like that on your show is like, broaden the horizons. Yeah. Be the rising tide that Bo always fucking says every single week with the ships and the butt and the tides and the rising. I'm going to see you in two days.

and I'm going to strangle you in your sleep. You're going to try. I'm going to get a key to your room. You're not getting the key to the room. Damn, you guys have separate rooms? You guys are falling that hard. Absolutely. I probably shouldn't have said that.

I should have said I'm going to roll over in our shared double mattress. And I'm going to smother you with my flat pillow. I'm technically on a business trip right now. And the Airbnb we got, we all had our own room with our own bed. And I was like, this is fucking crazy. I thought I was not having to sleep on a fucking couch. Yeah, dude, I'm very torn about Airbnb in general. It's dead, dude.

Fuck Airbnb. Which I think is like kind of a good thing because like there are, I know there's, there's, I live in a Eastern European neighborhood, like ethnically, people from the Ukraine and Poland mostly live in my area. And they're like old-ass buildings with old-ass landlords that are getting bought out and then renovated and turned into Airbnb's and these families can't live there anymore. Like I see it.

I see people, because I live by the train line, see people come with their suitcases all the time and like check, like get into their Airbnbs. And like now that I know that I'm going to have to be leaving this place soon, I'm like, these motherfuckers,

because I see them every day. It's not their fault. No, it isn't. So I'm saying I'm very torn. It's, you know, it's weird to me to buy a bill. building that could house six families.

Yeah. And then rent it out a couple of days. And not house anything. And not house families. Yeah. It is great. I mean, it's,

but that whole Airbnb, like, business structure is, is going to die. Good. Every day there's some new, like, viral Reddit posts about an Airbnb owner being like,

what's going on? Yeah. I have no bookings. Those are great. And they were created to, because hotels were expensive. You know, it's like this was the,

alternative. And then they just became more expensive and that, but then also you got to take the trash out and fucking feed the dog. You know, God, dude, fuck. The rules are crazy. They're like, fuck the rules. Yeah. I'm sick of following the rules. I'd rather stay in a hotel anyway.

What was that same? Sorry, Sam. No, there was one that I rented. They were like, oh, take the sheets off the bed when you're done. It's like, no. Get the fuck out of here. And now hotels like are priced a little bit more competitively because of Airbnb. So it's really just there's no point.

I mean, this was $100 a night and I'm going to see. Yeah. That's that's good. Is it one of the ones where like the downstairs is playing like club music? Oh, thank God. Dude, what, Colin, we've never talked about A-loft or a loft. I think it's A-Loft, right? I think it's A-Loft too, but it's tied to Virgin Airlines, a loft.

I genuinely don't know how you pronounce it. But that's like my favorite hotel chain. In America, too? It's one of them. It's nice. It's fancy. It's like ultra hip. There's a pool table and like snacks downstairs.

Oh, dude, there's one in Louisville, right? I don't know. I think that we've stayed there before around LDB and it was like unreal. Yeah, they're fucking fans. They're very minimalist and like fancy. And they're just like, I just like. I just like staying in them You know what I mean?

That's where the We had a fill in drummer For the LDB the last time Twitching Tongues played I'm sorry to put you on the spot I won't say your name But and there were Taylor stayed in the same room as him Yeah

And he goes on record to say It was like the most jizz He's ever seen on the floor of a shower Just on just on just still just kept there, not rinse turning out. It's like. Oh, that's so dark. Like the biggest load.

That's what I'm going to be doing in our shared room. Thank God. Do that you're a liar. Thank God for that. Oh, wait, no, you don't lie. I, I. You cannot lie and you cannot write a riff. That's the whole thing.

Those are the two things. That's right. I only tell truth. I only tell truths and play Metallica rifts. You got riffs? Um, no, not really. See, and look what he's done. He's built an empire.

It's true. I can play power cords. That's about it. That's what I'm talking about. The warfare of Doomsday LP is the, the most I can do musically was on that record. So it's all power courts, except for the leads. Those are justice. Justice spread all those.

What, uh, how'd you get into hardcore? Uh, kind of like how most people I feel like Arias did, like, you meet like the kids that were like the skateboarder kids that listened to like rancid and stuff and then like through there I met like people my sister kind of got in like hardcore and shit and like she had a friend that like was dating this guy who was like really in hardcore and like he was like oh you like rancid you like Operation Ivy I'm gonna make you like a mix so you may make a mix with like throw down and like everything on it and uh shout out to that guy those old heads those are there are the MVP's for real they're the real ones and like yo he took me to uh

the first show i went to that was like like not like at the house of blues or something like that was a dillinger escape plan mastodon norman jean show in 2002 wow wow and i was like at the time i was like norma jean i was like this was that's fucking awesome dillinger awesome mastodon boring as fuck now i'm like massadon's shit uh here's cool uh Ormogene, I will not listen to. But the show that really hooked me was the summer of 20. That was December 2002, July of 2003, that guy took me to a show at Will's Pub in Orlando that was Throwdown every time I die in terror.

Fuck. That'll do it. I want to see Throwdown. I was like, fuck you. Throw down. Let's go. But I remember he was like, we got to get there early to see this big. band opening.

They're called terror. Everybody's saying that they're having like the craziest sets and they're saying it's awesome. So you got to go see it. And holy shit. That was the one. That I would like, I saw that. It was like the most, you know, like the room exploded for terror.

And I'd say half the room left after. Wow. Wow. People were there just to see terror. And they've been a band for a year. Yeah. Right. I mean, the first time on CD at the merch table that night.

Fuck. Yeah. And that was like, that was when I was like, holy shit, you can have hard and fast in the same thing. Yeah. The first time terror played Chicago was before I was in the hardcore at all. But it was like an infamous, like a Jim's Grimes birthday show. And Fallow Boy played because they hadn't broke yet. And terror played.

It was like the first time terror made like came to Chicago. And like it's like a, it's like an infamous. There's like video. blah, blah, blah. It's like an infamous thing. But I got into hardcore, like, shortly thereafter. And I remember, that was like a literal, like, hard lore, like, like, a myth of like, oh, man. You should have seen him a year ago, man, you know.

Mointerre. Yeah. Dude, is there, um, is there a more gate, like, there's like gateway drug is like a concept of marijuana getting you into blah, blah, blah, blah. Is there a more gateway record than an outcome the wolves? probably not for me that was like the one for me like it wasn't for me Colin I'm not even saying it was for me you mean like objectively to other people I'm thinking objectively like this there's this thing that you could get in Best Buy or not topic at fucking anywhere when it came out and it was

everywhere I mean that might have been the the Brody King gateway so that's a good point yeah that was his shit not even nothing like what he's into now no That was like the first record I heard from like the skateboarders at my school was like Yeah. And Operation Ivy. Those were like the two big ones. But like that makes total sense. You know, still an amazing record.

Yeah, it's fantastic. I saw them at Ritefus play the whole record. Rancid's like the one band I feel like if I ever did anything for Rancid and I had like the Triple B Center logo with like the Rancid logo. I don't think I could ever peek. I don't think I could get any better than that. that might just be, that would have to be like the last thing I ever did if I ever got to do anything for Rancid.

I just don't think there's anything else like that I could do. Also some harder. I'm re-releasing lowest of the lowest of the low next year. Fuck yeah. So that's like the real, that's a real full circle moment for me. Very much so, yeah. Triple B lowest of the low. The lowest of the low.

I had I had lowest of the low on a 10 inch and I lost it. I lost it. The worst. format. It was like a European 10 inch I hate 10 inches. Yellow, black splatter. It was so cool, dude. My whole thing is so, I don't even show, my records are in the closet

because of 10 inches. Don't even look at them. I don't even own a 10 inch anymore. What's the problem? What's the beef? You got five of them and it fucks up the arrangement of the whole thing. They're ugly. They're hideous.

I see what you're saying. Just put a bit in a different. They look stupid. Yeah. Make it 12. Just make it. You think you're so cool. Yeah.

I mean, same price of press it pretty much. Just do the extra two inches. Yeah. What is the difference? Yeah. They like, don't they lose money?

So yeah. Wow. So you're just like, I'm just 10. Yeah, it's just like a thing. But I've never actually looked into it because even like in 2006, I was like,

I'm never doing a 10 inch. My man. The only band that ever asked to do a 10 inch was fire and ice and I said no I was like no we'll do two seven inches instead and they're like okay that works which which fire ice thing did you put out so they were I did the gods and devil seven inch and the breath seven inch both of which they record them at the exact same time gods and devils yeah has always been so funny to me the uh artwork's pretty funny on that one gods plural of, you know, multiple gods, I understand.

Devils. Yeah, not demons. That demons is so funny. It's like saying Jesus's end. That's amazing. Yeah, that's funny. I never thought. Yeah. They record both seven inches the same time and they're like, why don't we do a 10 inch instead? I was like, no, let's just do two seven inches. Yeah, that's cool.

I mean, that is cooler. I can't argue that. And then we ended up taking all those songs. And then they were on the first A, America's hardcore cop I did. And we did those 10 total tracks and put it on a 12 inch later. But yeah, I don't want to do a 10 inch ever. No thanks. Dude, comps are another thing of the past that have obviously been replaced by Spotify playlist and shit like that, like, which I get it.

But comps were fucking huge. Sam's keeping them alive, brother. Dude. Trying. Yeah, I know. I'm sure it's tough. But like I got into, there was the organized crime records comp. and it had every Chicago band

and then like weird affiliated bands and it was just like instrumental into getting into music. Punkerama comps. Dude. Yeah. Those victory style were the ones that The victory ones too.

There were a lot of them, dude. They were huge. Pomerama. Yeah, their comps are kind of dead for the most part. I still do the America's hardcore ones just for fun. Carter from within, he's been doing one seniority ones. Yeah, that one.

is cool. They're cool as hell. Yeah. I feel like too, like the people who know, and I'm not even trying to sound like gatekeeper E, but like the this is Boston, not L.A. Like when you look back at it, it's just like it's a cool thing. Oh yeah. You know, like it's just like a sick vibe.

But now it's like, what was the New York one? They had the together cop on the seven inch and then they had the New York hardcore 12 inch one. Incredible. You know, just like the coolest shit. No, what was the other one with the cool name? Generations. Was it Generations? Generations was the Rev one in like the mid-2000s that Bob Shed help put out with like.

There's another one. There's a ton of bands on it. Oh, where the wild things are? Where are the wild things are? Oh, dude. That's a good one too. That's a great one. That's a good one too.

Cops are awesome. They're just like, they're paying the ass to put together because you're hounding like 50. bands. And like, I can't even talk shit. My own, I had to drop my own band from the last one I did because we've recorded. Well, and as the label guy now, it's like, you got to kind of, you got to pay for all those recordings. They all got to, they all sound very different a lot of the time. Yeah.

Yeah, they do. The deal with those is that's kind of like the, where it's just like, all right, you can keep your digital if you pay for your own recording kind of thing. just upload it yourself but uh most of the band just don't even care like the hc comps are like everybody knows what it is like they know like this is just to do it for fun just to like have it out there uh which i'm sure they were back in the day too oh of course right so it's just like it's promotional it's a great yeah it's a great it's a very cool thing i've always been into that uh but yeah uh carter keeping them alive like i didn't even know what from within was So I saw the first one seniority.

I was like, what is this? Somebody actually did a comp. And he did it on a CD. And I remember, like, I think I texted Bob Wilson because I knew he was friends with like the dude. Like I heard he was friends with him. And I was like, tell that kid he's got to put it on a 12 inch because like CDs suck. And he was like he doesn't want to do it. It's too much money.

I was like, I'll bankroll it. I'll make sure he doesn't lose money. Just tell me he needs to do a 12 inch. So. Is that Sig? Is that the guy Sig? Is that his name? His name's Carter.

He's from Pensacola. Did he used to go by Sig? No, he doesn't go by Sig. You got to let Sig go, dude. I feel like Sig is. It's not happening. I feel like he's sick, man. Nah.

Was he, did he tour with Mouse of the Palace? Yeah, I think so, actually. His name is literally Sig. Just so you know. Oh, him? Yeah, it's Sig. Sig. Carter.

Yes. He was a young, young cat on the Disarmony tour. I'm texting him right now, asking, do they used to call you, sick. Did they used to call you SIG? Confirmers did not. You got a brother named SIG.

You really do. You look like him. You really do, man. I didn't know about that comp and then, and then I was on it. What was on? The Painted Truth song. The Pain of Truth song.

That same. Oh, right, right. So yeah, I convinced him to do a 12 inch. I was like, yo, just do a 12 inch. Like, you won't lose money. Trust me. I'll do an exclusive triple V color. Literally, he sold out in like one day.

Fuck. And I hit, and I, he, I was like, he was like, damn, I sold out. I was like, you realize you did with your first vinyl release, so it took me like a decade to do with Trouble Me? Yeah. I never sold out of anything that fast. Did the volume two sell out as fast?

Do you know? I have like four copies literally left with it. But he made double the amount. He made a thousand of those. Wow. And four left, huge. Dude, that's another thing that I often wonder about like, like the old like, like, like schism,

like the first few schism records. Like, did they? They realize, like, oh, this shit is selling really fast or like the early rev records. Because I know that it did and it's like really hard to find now. But like, did they know they had lightning in a bottle at the time versus, you know what I mean? Like in their own world, I'm sure they were like, hey, this is working. Cool. Probably to the bottom.

But it was still not. Yeah. It's mail order at that time. Right. Yeah. Fucking sucks. Yeah. So they probably.

selling so much so they're like, fuck, this sucks. They're nail all these. Or like Discord. Because like Discord was all DIY, obviously, famously. Like, did they know like, man, these first six, seven inches are like flying? No. So crazy. You don't know if something is legendary until way later.

Not even that it's legendary, but you have metric proof that something is moving. Yeah, they're making money from a record label. I'm sure you're happy about it. You know? Yeah. Yeah. If you're not losing your ass, you're,

trust me, you're happy. You're winning, yeah. Yeah. You would know, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Good. I'm glad you have your ass. You know, that should be the goal. I'm very thankful for, you know, knock on wood.

I hope it can continue as long as possible, but very thankful. I knocked on some too, so no worries. You're good. You're double wooded. I'm double.

Let me ask you, do you have a, I know this is kind of unfair because it's like choosing between all of your children. But do you have like a triple B Mount Rushmore? Ooh. In terms of like the found the structure of Triple B kind of the reason that can sustain itself to this day. Uh, I would say, yeah, I think so. I'll go with how many presents are on Marchmore?

Four or five. Four. Yeah. I'd say a big turning point was the Fury LP I did. That was a big one. Big record. So I'm going to go with that. I'd say Fury, definitely Mind Force.

Mind Force is the 100% biggest band that has ever been on the lake. Wow. They have crushed everything in its path very ferociously. Them, freedom based on the records did great. That was a really fun era. And also, like, I'm just really close with those guys still. Through Freedom gave Neverending Game and arguably too, gridiron, you could say, in a way. Freedom, Fury, Mind Force.

And then I say number four, I'm going to go with, people might be surprised by this, but this was a big turning point for the label in 2011. I'm going to go with Dead End Pat. Wow. Really? The first full length LPA I ever put out. First full length LPA I ever put out, the first band I toured with for months on end. Wow.

I toured with them in Europe. I, we toured with them in Europe. I didn't realize that their LP came out on Triple B. Yeah, the first one came out, Blind Faith in 2011 came out on Triple B. And I graduated college and then two days later, we did the title fight shed tour. And then after that, we did like, I think I went on like two other full U.S. tours with them. And I'm still like,

I just talked to Fusty the other day. So I had to give it to them. They were like, they were the first like proper LP I ever put out like, you know, 10 songs from a band on a CD on a, on a big deal. Yeah.

Like, yeah, that was like, because before that I had done like a 12 inch EP the first AHD comp and then just a fuck load of seven inches. Yeah. Like all seven inches. But there are other ones. ones like free spirit was a big one for me too like that was i was going to say no b b mount rushmore

the council might i could argue that dead end path and free spirit were one and the same because at the time dead end path and free spirit a lot of people don't realize it they did a lot of stuff together um they did a bunch of tours and weekends together and like they were kind of like brother bands at the time um but yeah boston like i'm trying to think of other boston bands that there's obviously been a lot Boston bands I put out, but that like made like a huge that like helped everybody in a way helped build away. Sure. But like.

Okay. How about this? Boston, I signed a lot of like demo Boston bands and did seven inches for them that did literally nothing after. Boston accounts for the most demo like first slash like first seven inches that win mystery boxes. And like I love every single one of them just as much as the rest. like because a lot of those guys I mean one of them was this band take control who is like half of C4 now and who are like some of my closest friends I have so um everything happens for a reason as

they say course then how about the let's get the Mount Rushmore of Boston hardcore bands period wow period of yeah not not necessarily not necessarily affiliated with the label at all but in general because what like for a long time time I considered like the early 80s Boston stuff like my favorite hardcore that existed. Yeah. All right. I mean, it's blood for blood is George Washington on the on the Mount Rush. Well, Bluffer Blood is it.

I was going to say blood for blood as one. Yeah. I'm going to do different eras. I'm going to go back. Yeah. Yeah. You could do 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010 beyond. You know, I'm going to do that.

All right. 80s, you got SSD. 90s. You got blood for blood. Yeah. 2000s. I hate giving love to have heart because I know Pat's going to go,

yeah, bitch. Just do it. But it's the only way. What can you do? Their shows were undeniably the most fun and craziest. They just grew 10 fucking thousand people. Yeah. Close second to me though personally,

because they were a huge band when I moved to Boston took me under their wing. Shipwreck. I did a lot of shipwreck tours when I was in college. It's interesting to skip. And I understand that have hearts the answer, but it's interesting to skip, like, lock, locking out of that era was like, don't get me wrong, like, yeah, yeah.

Don't get me wrong, you know. But was still one of the coolest shows I ever saw in Florida, like on the Planet Mental Tour. I obviously love all the lock and out stuff. 2010s, oh, God, there's so fucking many awesome bands in 2010. I can't even say step four because they, It was a, they started in 06. I can't say no tolerance either. That was 09.

Oh, shit. But the no tolerance demo is the best Boston hardcore demo ever. Oh, that's so fucking good. Wow. The Boston, the no tolerance demo is the best Boston hardcore demo ever. I would, I love that take. Yeah. What's better?

Nothing. Yeah, no, I got nothing. I'm sorry. And not to disrespect anybody, but that demo is just flawless. It's so good. I don't think that's disrespect. Because that's like the no tolerance demo is like a bunch of hardcore craftsmen coming together as like it's like it was a finished product out of the gate because of the years of experience between it all. It's literally the best.

And like even the no tolerance seven inches like one of the best seven inches of all time. That whole like new scene crew wrote some of the best like LP wise. Like the LPs are cool. But like seven inch wise like they wrote the best seven inches of like I could you could put up against most any hardcore generation. First step four, seven-age waste management. All right, but I digress. On the Mount Rushmore of Boston hardcore, the 2010 slot, I'm going to give it to the rival mob, I think.

Yeah, that's fair. If that counts, I'm going to give it to rival mob because the hardcore for hardcore seven-inch came out in 2010, and that's one of the best Boston hardcore seven inches. It's a pretty good list. That seven is flawless. Yeah, that's amazing. There's a lot, man. Boston's got a lot of awesome bands.

And like, there's a lot of awesome bands that I didn't even get put out. Yeah, yeah, you're not even touching on it. Yeah. It's crazy. It doesn't even really like how. Just like Dick J's repertoire, his resume. Yeah. Seriously.

He has, he's in every amazing band. That's a couple monuments all to itself, you know. Yeah. That's Rushmore, uh, Niagara, et cetera. Giza. Yeah, yeah. Between like, and speaking,

those two fools have written, like, some of the best, like, records, songs in hardcore, like,

ever, I could, you could argue. Just like, the two of them are like powerhouses. They're just so good at it. Yeah.

I would do anything to get another, no tolerance. Oh, oh, man. I forgot, I forgot about Rampage,

but you could argue that they're Providence. So. Yeah, yeah, kid. On the Mount Rushmore, of Rhode Island.

It's just rampage four times. Just rampage four times. Very fair. Are there any, this might get sensitive, you know. Let's go. Are there any bands maybe that you wanted a sign or that slipped away that you have some feelings about to this day that you want to talk? We don't have to talk about this, obviously.

I'm trying to think. No, you don't have to say who it was. You could just say that, yeah, there was a situation. there's a lot of those older like the Boston bands from like the no tolerance crew like and like you know like like not D of J in particular but like you know like the whole like painkiller kind of crew where like don't get me wrong I'm friends with those guys they've been nothing but supportive. And like they're like you know I call them friends but like you know if they wouldn't want to do a record on triple year just because it's like different too different from like what they're like into for the most part. which like I respect because when I at least ask them, that's what they're like, I'm going to get you to you straight. I like you.

Like there was one band in particular I asked to be on an AAC company that. He was like, who else is on it? And I said who else was on? He goes, I'll be real with you, man. I like you. You're a great guy. I don't like those bands. So I don't want to be.

But like. I respect it. I'm like, absolutely. Yeah. That's fair. And like, so there's a lot. That's a rare honesty too, you know.

Oh, yeah. And like, I respect. respect like the honesty and just be like, eh, you know, just not my thing. So there's like a lot of those bands where I'd be like, man, like, I would love to do a record for those bands, but I just know they wouldn't do it. Lately, though, like, no, like, if there's a band that I want and like they go somewhere else, like, I understand why. And like, I try not to take it personally. And like really I've gotten better about not taking it personally because I know it's not actually personal. It's just, you know, just, like once you're very signed to run for cover, they, that wasn't, they were like, you know, we've been putting records out with you with our band, with this band, other bands for years.

We want to try, we just want to see what's like with a different way. And like, those are my boys still. I love them. Yeah, yeah. And that doesn't take away what you did with them. Of course not. No, it's just like they want to try. And I respect people wanting to try somebody new to like, build their craft more.

I get it. And that's something that a lot of people don't think about. Like, what's the fucking European label that put out, uh, the first adventure sevenfold thing. Oh, wow.

The big, like a 8,000 label put that out. Oh, like a Belgian hardcore record put that. I can't remember what the fuck it's called. But that, like, funded five other things.

And now he gets paid forever for that because they popped off. So, like a, Man leaving your label to go to a quote unquote bigger label only is going to help the back catalog over time. It's true. So that's a win-win kind of. That is a good way to think about it.

Very sweet. I'm all about just, hey, you know, just as long as everybody's like above board with everything and like, you know, I'm fine. Then I don't take it personally. Carter responded, he said, I said it, did your nickname used to be sick? He goes, it still is brother, LMAO. So you thought I was insane. I don't know.

The man's name is Sig, Sam. I had no idea. I just know him as like this like straight edge kid from Pensacola. I know him as Sig the spin kicker. It still is brother. That was a great answer, Sig. Shout out to Sig. Really good response.

I'm just refined with hell. Yeah. He'll be surprised. He'll be surprised if he wasn't said that. Yes, he will. when he doesn't hear this he'll be blown away i i do uh i love so i don't i'm not like a huge podcast guy but uh i actually do listen to every hard war because you guys uh talk about things that are i that i find interesting like going on tour and fast food well let's what a transition let's go

oh oh oh but i was going to give a shout to the from within records podcast uh i'm a big fan because it's just three dipshits talking about hardcore, which is... That's great. Near and dear. I love it. Because me in my normal life, I'm just a dipshit that likes to talk about hardcore. Absolutely. I love why we are doing this.

I'm glad they brought it back, but oh, yeah. Didn't know that was a thing. I'm a real fast food man, so, you know. Are you, I'm assuming that you're not vegetarian or anything, man? Absolutely not. Yeah. Great answer, Sam. So let's hit, let's hit you with,

the golden, the golden arches question. This is where you, you guys might be disappointed, but let's go. No, no, no, it's, there's all walks of life are welcome. There's only one wrong answer. That is quite true. You're driving down the highway. There's a sign that's got everything. It's a mystical place.

Every, every fast food place, every, what was, what did, what did Seb call it? Accelerated Cuisines Literally the best thing I've ever heard Inchre genius So it's got all of those And then all like actual fast food Yeah What's the one where you're like

We're gonna be cutting it close But I gotta eat like we're going Got to exit fellas Where I veer off the highway and go Yep this is the gas stop This is it This is every stop for the rest of the drive Honestly man

Waffle House is that for me All the time I don't know if that counts though. It absolutely counts. Yeah, but the time of day you know, you can't eat wall-laws before 11 p.m. That's true.

All right. So if it's an all-night drive and I see a waffle house, I'm stopping no matter what. Also, I know that this hotel I'm staying at in Richmond near the airport has a waffle house one block that way and a waffle house that way. You can see the signs from the other waffle houses.

How do you decide? I know. I'm going to. You should go to the Yelp and go to the worst reviewed one. Of course. That's going to be the better. That's going to be the best. Doubly blessed. Okay.

So it's two p.m. Oh, 2 p.m. All right. If I'm on the West Coast, del Tomp. No, no, no, no. This has it all. It's a mystical place.

A mystical place. It's got everything. The sign is. Doesn't end. Exists in the fucking land of nod, kid. I got to say, man. I'd probably go with the Dell because I don't get the number one. I totally get that.

And I hold Dell very highly as well for the same reason. Wow. Because I can get a cheeseburger and a taco. You can and they're both good. You know, the pit studio, which is also like the house I grew up in in high school, is between two del tacos. Oh, that's like comically close, you know. Yeah.

Like they have to be competing in some way. So I just never think about it as an offer. I will say that I do like I love in and out I'm an in and out lover I get a four by four every time I go wow good good yeah get a four by four every time I love it I like the fries even even though they're controversial I love them fries are great Sam if you don't like the fries you don't like potatoes and therefore you're not Irish and therefore you can't live in Boston they're not like fries but they're different and that's why I like it's a real fry you know they're not French to me they're just fries That's why I like that. I kind of like that actually. Okay. The other day, last weekend I was in Tulsa for Act Like You Know Fest. And for the first time, since the pandemic, I got Waterburger.

What'd you think? Oh, I mean, I love Waterburger. Oh, okay. Since the pandemic. Okay. Oh, dude. When Fury, when I would go on tour with Fury and we would go to Texas, we ate that every day. Like every day after the show, Alfredo, I'd be like, yo,

where should we go and Alfred would be like honestly bro let's just go back to what a burger and everybody would unanimously unanimously just be like yeah let's just go they got a big menu I love it dude it's so can do something different every day we just went we filmed it it's gonna be coming out soon I I think I'm a convert I really do I was thinking about it the other day Colin I was just thinking about like I need to eat and and just I wish I could like explore that menu you know man is a good menu we both got like a good double bird and, you know, customize our reality. Got a great fry.

Got the ketchup things. Yeah, the numbers. With the little numbers on the bottom, as Nick Stewart taught me. You know, I was looking for a five. I got a four. I'll take it. Got a shake. Got shakes.

Very thick. Very thick. You know, one of those for sure. But, man, we had the best time there. I did have a good time. And they were super cool, too, I think adds to it. We were like filming stuff, you know.

And she was like, what are you guys doing? And I like, what's y'all making a movie for? And she was like, okay, well, make sure I'm not in it. Yeah. So it like added to the experience. Alabama. Birmingham, Alabama. Um, now, what's a place where you have to get gas.

You guys are going to be late, but you cannot be late. What's a place that it could be there? And you would rather not. eat than eat. You'd rather starve. You'd rather starve than eat at that location. Is there such a place? It doesn't have to necessarily be.

There should be. Subway. Subway. That's, that's, you get us. It's going to get you a big old hug in a couple days. I hate Subway. Yeah, you do.

I won't eat Subway. At this point, I just refuse to eat at Subway. That's right. We just keep going. I don't think there's anywhere else. Like, but there isn't for me either. You're eating Chester's chicken, you know?

I would eat Chester's over Subway, for sure. But I have certainly skipped Chester's and Roy Rogers. And like Checkers, like the weird diner place. Dude, checkers has good fries, though. Checkers is great fries. But that's all they got. How about steak and shake? We never talk about steak and shake.

Oh, my high school spot, dude. Kind of awesome. Kind of rocks, right? Because they have like $4 everything. Yeah. They're open late as fuck. Yep. so you can sit down.

They have in and out fries straight up. Don't. There's, though, they have like shoe strain. Yeah, it's really similar though. The end and out fries are thicker.

They are thicker. But they're, better. They're similarly fried. Do you know what I mean? What is people's problem with the in and out fry? They're too,

I'll tell you my personal problem with them is like they're too thin and often over fried so that they're just like too starchy. They don't have like a nice. I don't, I don't, I've never once tasted that. I don't think they soak the fries after they punch them.

So when you punch, this is some restaurant lore. When you punch a potato, a lot of restaurants, they let the fries soak to get the starch out of them. Right. And then you double fry them. I don't think they're doing it. I think they're just frying them once. Yeah.

Yeah. But I still like them. I'm still a fan. I still think they're good. And like, I don't know. But the thinness, Bo. Yep. You got to pick up like, so here's my fry technique.

This is ancient. I'm familiar with eating more than one thing at a time. No, no, no. So what you got to do is you got to pick up three or four of them. You slam them on the little mat so that they're even, right? Yeah, yeah. And you get a big old dip of the spread. None of that.

You can't eat them at one at a time. Those are like you grab a few. You like the spread from in and out, Sam? It's all right. Yeah. It's fine. Sam, don't go break in my heart now. I'm sorry.

You're a ketchup guy? Oh, I love ketchup. See, Sam is my guy. He really is. And Bo, I'm not a big white sauce guy. Not big. It's happened. There's something that I'm getting used to.

Like, if there's like a fancy aoli, I'm down. But like, just straight up like mayo, no way. Sour cream I hate. I don't like sour cream. You want to know what's funny is the other night I ordered Taco Bell like I often do. And there was sour cream. cream in one of my things and I just I just like gritted my teeth and ate it and I what did you think I hated it but I was so hungry that I ate it yeah I'll still eat it

put it on just because I don't like the waste really but I'll be annoyed I'll eat it yeah excellent I'm sorry cream I'll tell you I'll be honest with you I didn't like it until I was like 20 and now I can't get enough of the stuff you can't keep me away from sour cream dude frankly did sometimes you'll go to like Chipotle and you'll see somebody and it'll be like, ladle, ladle. Oh, you're sick for that.

Like a double. Yeah, Brody King. Really? He's a pervert. Sour cream and fajitas all day. He'll do three scoops of fajitas. One time they were out of fajitas, so he left.

I like that because I love the fajitas at Chiquola. I don't even get them in, I don't think they work in a burrito. They work in a bowl, but I usually get burritos. I don't think they work in the burrito. So I don't get a bowl. That makes sense that you get old.

You usually get burritos, bro. Why? You're the last burrito man still standing at Chocolay. The fuck are you talking about? Everybody's bowl. No. Bull, everybody gets a bowl. When that's literally untrue.

James gets burritos. Sam. I'm bull gang at Chippole. I'm not going to lie. But I will eat a burrito, though. Yeah, but. The bowl was the last time you got it. You get the bowl with the nachos and you make your own like little.

The bowls are great. And when I was doing keto, they had like the keto bowl. And it was actually fantastic for the day. So I'm fine with it. But it's just like the tortilla is so fucking filling and satisfying. That you literally only have to eat. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I know. But like you could also only eat that. Yeah. Your whole day. The tortilla alone. Yeah. It's like lambas bread.

Dude, you know what's disgusting is if you get it delivered, you got to get your, your burrito double wrap. It stays perfect. It's 2,000 calories. Oh, probably more, honestly. Nice. I don't get guack. Very gross that me and my, I got, there's a thing in Orlando with my friend group.

We call it the Pizzerito challenge. Where? God. You get a Tripoli burrito. And there's a place called Lazy Moon in Orlando that makes like pizza slices that are like fucking huge. They're like twice the size of like a Joe's pizza slice of Brooklyn. And you wrap it. and you eat it and

a Chipotle burrito wrapped in a piece of pizza and if you keep a whole thing, you're not a coward, but if you can't, you're a coward. I mean, I could absolutely do it. That's the problem.

Oh, I did it. I do it every time. And like, every time. Every time I finish it. But I don't eat for the whole thing. That doesn't sound like complimentary flavor.

We'll say, surprisingly good. First time I did, I was like, this is going to, we did it as a gag for like my friend moving. out of Orlando. And I was like, I took one bite. I was like, this is actually kind of good. And I scarf it down. My girlfriend, I feel like almost broke up with me when I sent her

picture. You're the most disgusting person I've ever met. That's fair. What's, okay, so aside, Colin, do you have a strange food combo that works for you? Because they exist. For example, I found that peanut butter on scrambled eggs, not bad. I know, but why? So it's like a, like a, like a fitness person thing that I saw once. And on Warped Tour, I tried it. You have to do fitness to do that. I was, I was very fit at the time.

This was 2018. Yeah, I mean, peanut butter keeps you full. Go fuck yourself. And I put it on scrambled eggs and it was shockingly good. I don't know why.

Did you still salt it? No, not really. So pretty much plain eggs. With like not a ton of peanut butter. I'm just not a big peanut butter. better guy to begin with. Like the Reese's ratio, I think, is too much peanut butter.

Oh, man, I think it's perfect. What's the best, what's the best seasonal Reese's? The Christmas tree. Yeah. Do you think so? Oh, I love the Christmas tree. I really like the, I really like the Halloween bats. The ratio is good in the bats.

Did you say the Easter bunny saying? Yeah, that one's good. I love the Easter one. You know, all the seasonal ones are good because they're fresh. They're so fresh. Dude, that's a precious one. They're so good. That's a really good point.

You're right. That is a hard lorry intake right there. I told you. That's why I modify you're here. You're welcome, dude. This is why I, that's why I modify my McDonald's order, as I've said. And people think I'm crazy.

What's the McDonald's order now? I just know it's fresh. If I change it in any way, I know that they just made it from it. Oh, that's true. It's a good point. My favorite thing is on the kiosk, McDouble, make it plain, catch up.

Just boop, pooh. It's going to touch screen. Yeah. But isn't, isn't, make it plain. Make it plain just means meat and cheese and butter. Okay. Is the double, is the McDouble cheaper than the double cheeseburger? By like 40 cents now, maybe, but yes.

But you get that second slice of cheese. It's one less cheese, right. Yeah, exactly. Does that, but how do you feel about that? Does that appeal to you, that extra cheese? No, I'm always a McDouble guy. Okay. Because back in the day, a McDouble was $1.6.

Remember that? I do. What's your McDonald's order, Sam? Here's the thing. Here's why I was like, you guys are going to be a little. Oh, boy. I don't go to McDonald's that often in the States. That's okay.

That's okay. That's okay. Oh, man. We have a lot of other things here, so it's okay. Yeah. I, like, here, like, especially in Orlando, like Chick-fil-A, I go to all the time, Zaxby's. There actually is a Del Taco by UCF.

No kidding. It's far, but occasionally I'll be like, I'm going to make the, usually, they used to be open 24-7. Wow. So I would go like, that was my Jew on Christmas meal would be going to Del Taco by myself and going through the drive-thru. Class of my car. You say it's far, but it could be 2,000 more miles further. That's true. It's just like a 35-minute drive.

Oh, that's pretty fucking far. Yeah, sometimes I don't want to do that. Oh, my God. I live also near a Zaxby's. I like live near what stick together once called 10 years ago, the Bermuda Triangle of fast food where like I have a Chick-fil-A, a Taco Bell, a Popeyes, and a Chipotle all like right next to each other. Beautiful.

That's a good little square. Where's the wingstop? We just got a wing stop in Orlando on Colonial Drive. See? Congratulations. Yeah, truly congratulations. Congratulations. I are well equipped.

How often are you back in Orlando? I live in, I actually moved back. I'm in Orlando now full time. Waterboy again. I bought a house and I'm just in Florida now. Good for you. Congratulations. Look at you.

So I'm going to my Bermuda triangle often. Good. Although my room is closed, unfortunately. The Popeye's closed? Yeah. That's a shame. Dude, I know it was like a lot of hype, but that chicken sandwich was fucking great. I love it.

I try getting the blackened chicken. sandwich the other day at the at the recommendation of mr carl from gridiron that carl from gridiron he was like you know you got a black and chicken sandwich from poppies it's the best he said it's the best thing he's ever had from pop pies that i mean so the thing about the black and chicken is it's made to it is actually made to order oh hell yeah so when you order it oh they're like oh and it's dude the black and they're like when i was doing keto again Round two. The black and chicken is like the best fast food keto thing now.

No shit. It's just incredibly seasoned grilled chicken. All right, because there's no breading. Exactly. But it's so expensive. It is shocking. There isn't a fast food place that you can go and just get like KFC got rid of grilled chicken. I'll tell you where it is, well.

Where is it at? Wing stop. Really. wing stop is is it's fried but it's not breaded right so you can do fried in like a buffalo sauce it is the ketoist thing oh fuck yeah wow you didn't know that uh no i didn't know that i never ate wingstop when i was oh my god lived on it i got a protein style four by four every day for lunch dude now that would be so beneficial if that was here that would be so helpful if in and out was here

I'm sorry I know you should be what are you into lately Sam and what and what's your favorite thing right now playing any games the new call of duty war zone oh right you fully into it you bonded with many over war zone during the demic huh oh man that's how uh gridiron

got signed to the bee well I think that's how gridiron started I think it is so Yeah. Because I remember I was living in Brooklyn at the time, and I just sat in my room and played fucking war zone. I was playing with Will. And that was where I met Matt Carl was on Warzone. And Will was like, you got this stupid demo that I just wrote with that dude Matt that you played with the other night. I want you to put it out. And it was the gridiron demo. I was like, this is the coolest thing I've ever heard. Let's go. It's actually not fair how good Will is at music. Yeah, he's crazy. It's crazy. Did you hear the newest stuff he has just finished recording? I have not. Oh, man.

I was just the... Yeah. Yeah. Oh, how far are you in Ragnarok? I haven't played it for one second. Man, really? I'm about eight hours and I've been about eight hours in for about two weeks.

That's a shit. I like, it was all spoiled for me. So I don't know how you're dodging fucking. Oh, I'm dodging it left and right, brother. Jesus. I muted every single one of the words. Get on war zone, man.

I was going to say, so Will or Nick from Harm's Way is like a cracked war zone player. He's like very good. Doesn't like, I was just talking about this like two nights ago, doesn't like the new one. Thinks the movement too slow.

See, I'm not good at the last call of duty. I just played because I was like, I'm having fun of my boys, just talking shit. to a bunch of fucking 12 year olds. But the new one, I'm cracked at it because the movement, they took out the movement aspect, which I couldn't get on the last one.

They kind of made it a little Nerfball, is what like the like hardcore players are saying to appeal to more. Well, and I'm saying all of this as a non-player. So pardon me if I'm totally right with this. They did. They affected the movement a lot. And it's a lot harder to move like as quickly.

But I think it, I don't know. I think it's more fun. The new map is really fun. It's fucking sake. Also, I met Brett from exhibition on Warzone. That's how I signed exhibition in Triple B. Wow.

I met him through, because he plays with Brody all the time. Brody is pretty fucking good. When he was streaming over the pandemic, I would watch. And I was very impressed at how good he was. He was, I mean, he was, it's honestly not fair the amount of like facets he's been borderline professional in his life

but like pre wrestling and all that he was exclusively an at home call duty guy and he was like always playing and always winning made me sick i played with him and brett from exhibition like a week ago on the new game and i felt really bad about myself afterwards because they're like destroyed especially do brett like had a round where he had like 30 kills and like four deaths and was just like smoking and I was like yeah but here's the thing dude it uses skill based matchmaking yeah so yeah but he's in there hold on hold on on so don't take this the wrong way your skill level is making the playing field easier for people who are maybe 10% better or whatever see I think I was in there a lot okay forget everything I just said I think I was in there

because I was just like literally deploying back and just immediately dying and being like I can't I think it goes to the lowest common denominator, though. But I could be wrong. I don't play. With Overwatch, it groups you with other people who are groups together, obviously. And it doesn't, like, if you have a group of three people playing and then you have two more people on your team, it groups you with another group of three people playing and two random people on their team.

Gotcha. To balance it in some way. I have to imagine with Blizzard being owned by Activision, there's some kind of crossover. in the way that they match make. Dude, this is a weird callback, but when I was at TwitchCon, I met one of the original developers for Blizzard North.

Interesting. Blizzard North. Like Diablo. A long time. Yeah. What was he doing? He lives next to the fucking McAllister house in Wilmet.

Oh. Oh, that's what he's doing at TwitchCon. We were both coincidentally from Chicago. And he's like, yeah, you know, the, the, the home. lone house and I was like, do I know that the silver tuna? Are you kidding? And he's like, yeah, I live next door. Oh, shit. But yeah, he was one of the original guys from Diablo days, StarCraft days. Crazy. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Do you listen to, do you listen to non-Tripple V bands, Sam?

Nah. The hardcore bands, yeah, some, yeah. And I listen to like, I listen to surprisingly people, I listen to like a lot of pop music. Like what? What are you into? I mean, I'm a Gaga man too, man. My man. I'm a Gaga man. You are welcome, man.

Our door is open. I love Gaga. I love the Olivia Rodriguez LP is really good. I like that one. A couple tracks on that one. There are some serious tracks on that. Yeah. I feel weird, though, because she's like a child.

Yeah. I didn't like this as a 34-year-old man, but it's just objectively very catchy music. She ain't playing child songs, though. That's the thing. And somebody, whoever wrote the hooks, knew exactly what the fuck they were doing. I think, dude, the crazy part is I think it's mostly her. That's insane. She's very skilled.

Yeah. I mean, they're a record. Very good. That song's unbelievable. Do you have you got, I know, I think I've talked to you about it, Beau, but the Halsey record, the nine-inch nails one? It's awesome. Is it good? It's incredible.

Yeah. I made one of them, Instafest things. Yeah. She was headlining day one, brother. Really? That record is in, I can't. I'm addicted to. it. Is it based on Spotify, that thing? It is, yeah. So mine would literally just be a hardler.

Just all three days of the best. There's no podcast on there, thankfully. Then it's a weekend off, boys. I listen to the new Taylor Swift LP. I actually do like Taylor Swift. I just think she kind of sucks as a human being. But I think she writes good music. Yeah, I listen to a decent amount of non-trible B bands. She is about to be our underground music champion. Why? Because her, she hired a team to go after Spotify, Live Nation, and all this shit.

Oh, Ticket Master too, right? And ticket, sorry, that's it. Live Nation Ticketmaster. Not Spotify. I don't know why I said that. She's like full on like, yeah, this is kind of fucked up because her tour got announced, everything got sold out, but it went immediately to Ticketmaster or Stubhop or whatever the fuck.

dynamic pricing came out and nobody is able to get affordable tickets. Right. She is like, I would love to have the article with like ready, but I obviously don't. We got to get her on the pot. Should we talk to her? Yeah. Friend of the show, Tay. PAHC legend.

But yeah, but she's like genuinely, there's a team that she helped organize going, like, looking into the legality and ethics of Live Nation. Ticketmaster and stuff. Wow. Which is very good. She should go after Spotify. I like that you said that. Yeah, I wish that was the case.

Lars was right, baby. Lars was fucking right, man. This is the thing is like, I've said this to people and they'll be like, ha ha. Because obviously, like, streaming shit for a consumer is awesome. But like the reality of it is, and I'm not even trying to toot horns, but like a lot of bands, including our own Colin, if we existed in the, early 90s, if we were magically back to the futureed, that we would just make a living on our music.

We'd be comfortable guys. You would tour a couple times a year if you want it. And like now that's not the case. I mean, you know as well as if not more than anybody, Sam, that like Spotify will do these months, these deals where it'll be like a year for 10 bucks. and like that's what the world's library of music is worth to people who listen to who use Spotify. Right. And it's this new, my new digital spot breaks down like how much money comes in from each individual outlet.

And it's pretty crazy that Spotify is the biggest. And like that's where most of my streams come from. But I make almost just as much money from Apple Music for like a third of the streams. It's like pretty crazy. Title. Title pays the most. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

That's right. I remember when Kanye put out that one record years ago. He was like, I would prefer if everyone use title. Yep. Title is Fubu straight out for us by us. Fuck, what was it going to say? Spotify. They suck.

But they really, they really. But it's crazy. When you look at the metrics. how little like nobody uses anything else. But to your point, Colin, you were you were saying that like the world's library of music, $10 for a year and then these same, some of these same people will complain about a $25 t-shirt at a show. It's like, how do you think a touring band is going to supplement?

Like it ain't the 70s. Fleetwood Mac could do a tour and survive for years. You know? What's interesting about Spotify too is like, I know, I know. someone that works at Spotify. I'm not going to reveal his name or anything. But we need name and email address. No.

Well, he told me he was like Spotify. We as independent artists make less than like what like a major label gets paid per stream. Sure. And that Spotify has tried to negotiate with the majors being like, hey, if you guys take a little less, we can bump up all these indies more so that people stop trying to cancel us on the internet. And the majors are just like, no, fuck that. Yeah, of course. But it's like what the majors are the majority of the revenue, so I get that. Yeah.

It's like what does what does Spotify do where us, us getting a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a cent is where does that value come from? Where is the why? Why can't we have that? You know? Why can't I have a cent first tree? Yeah. And I understand why like Beyonce's record plays because isn't it a thousand? Record plays equals one one record play.

Do you know what I'm saying? Like a thousand streams equals one record play, I believe is the. So like I understand that if like, okay, Beyonce getting 20 million, she's bringing in more revenue to Spotify. So she's going to get a bigger cut. The label's going to get. What, fine.

But it's still a thousand. Like it's like it doesn't make sense to me why it is not five cents. Well, also. But those things are on the front page of Spotify. So they're easy to find. Therefore, the discoverability is going to lead to those 20 million plays happening faster. It's a racket.

The other thing was Spotify, too, it's like, all right, you want to pay Indies more, but you're blaming it on the majors. It's like, I had heard that their Manhattan office is like an entire building.

And that each floor, like, in between each floor of like offices is like a cafeteria that's like all free. And that like, it's like arcade games. I'm like, all right, why don't you just take all that crap out and then pay that? And then all I heard that during the pandemic when like all their employees were working remote that like they got like, like they got an ass and an ass and amount of money on top for like as like their like lunch budget because they missed out. Because they were used to what they're.

And every band on earth is, it's suffering. And I believe the owner is like a multi-billionaire. Oh, yeah. He, like, from Spotify. He tweeted something about being like, I think I'm going to buy like Chelsea Football Club. And people were just like, cool. Like, I make like 20 bucks a month for my streams being on your website. And you're going to buy like, like, yeah, it's just fuck off.

But it's like that's just going here just saying stupid shit on the internet that they should. Yeah. You, but if that's that's all, you can take yourself off streaming. But you're kind of shooting yourself in the dick. I mean, it would be, I mean, obviously, I don't know how this works. I'm not, I can't write code or anything. But obviously, if there was like a conglomerate of independent music labels who were like, okay, we're going to make our own streaming service.

Okay, that's one thing you could do. I have no idea how that works. I have no idea how much it costs to host servers that have music available all the time. 15 bucks a month. Yeah. You know, like I don't get it, but it's certainly like a thing. I know there's like new like collectives. I don't know how they work.

I didn't even know they existed until like I literally got like a digital statement like a few months ago. And I like, because like I can see like, all right, you made this much this month from this thing. And I was like, what the fuck is this like independent music collective? And they're like, oh, yeah, it's like a bunch of indie people that like go out and get you more money from like Spotify and stuff. And I'm like, okay, I don't know how that works. But like I don't know. It's like $1,300 extra bucks. So yeah, yeah.

I don't care. The way I, and I kind of explained to bands too where, like, it's like digital is like nice free money that like, because at the end of the day, Spotify could be a free service for everybody and we would all still put our records up there for free, I think. Or, dude, how about the fucking band camp model? Or the band camp model. What if, what if you could buy every record for as little as a dollar? We would make so much more money. Yeah. I don't think people realize that.

Bandcamp kind of rocks. It just doesn't have the, it's not the same platform size as Spotify. You know? I mean, and their fees are kind of insane. Are they, I don't know that. The Bandcamp fees are a little. Like, in, in what way? Like, if you're purchasing music or what they.

Even, even goods, like, like shirts and stuff on Bandcamp. They take a 10% fee as they're like for merch and digital downloads, it's 10%. But that's still 90 cents. It adds up. 90 cents a record? though, at a minimum versus a fraction of a penny. A fraction.

It's a rough life. I fucking hate Spoutherty. You like the record label business? Well, I'm grateful that I can operate Trouble B on the, like, there's I'd say a lot of record labels including like indie ones. They rely on their digital money

to survive. Like, they don't sell a lot of like, like the fact, like, I know Triple be fine because I sell triple B merch. And people, I'm grateful that people buy it and like they like love it because that is what allows me to like keep doing stuff and people buying records too.

I don't rely. The digital to me is that is fuck you free money that I don't like when I'm like, oh cool, I owe the pressing plant $60,000. I don't think, oh, I need that money from the from digital to pay that. That digital means nothing to me, which is kind of why I started giving it to be. bands off the rib. That's awesome.

I mean, that's huge. I already don't give a shit at the end of the day. I don't need it to like operate. Like, so like what do I care? It's just extra free money to me. And I kind of instill that to bands like, look, this is free money. Like you might make a couple hundred extra bucks a month. Just, you know, use that for a nice dinner one night or something.

I don't know. Whatever. And like, I'm glad that I'm not like other labels who they're like, yeah, we need our digital because we got to pay. That's how we recoup. Yeah. You're in a good niche, like size, demographic genre where you can have hard and soft stuff to push. Yeah, that's cool.

I mean, I've never heard that before. We're right off the rip. Everybody gets 50% of digital. Like, because, I mean, a major, something like a metal blade. Like, if they adopted that, that would be a game changer. But to them, they're not selling the amount of records. that you are you set this per you and justin close casket have set this precedent of like hey we're making cool records that we like that you will like and if you if you bought these other things from

our label you're going to like this next one yeah and we look at the look at the packaging we did cool stuff because we like cool stuff we we are we are you so we're making the thing that you want a bigger label is not running its operation the same way they're just like okay how do we how do we charge as much as possible for this and spend as little as possible. Because there's so much more. There's overhead in, big time.

Staff and Jesus Christ. Me and Justin in particular, I feel like for our size are in very good positions where it's literally just us. So like we can afford to do those types of things because we, our overhead is a lot lower. Well, my, I mean, Justin just, I know he's got like his whole like warehouse operation now. So he has more overhead than I do. But like, still it's like.

I don't know. I feel like it's easier for us to do that kind of stuff, which I think helps gravitate bands to wanting to do stuff. Because, like, you know, Newfound Glory, for instance, like, did that sticks and stones repress. Literally, it was as easy as like, all right, we got the rights. This is how I literally sent, like, I didn't even like do like a formal Excel breakdown to them and their manager

about the money afterwards. I was like, hey, this is how much they cost. This is what was brought in. Here's 50%. Cool. And they were like, yeah, that was easy. And that's that's got to be the opposite of what they're used to as like a living entity. But it just it makes it easier.

So like because it's like I don't have to put in all these different variables. And yeah, I'm, I hope it's sustained for, you know, almost 17 years at this point. So see if we can do it for a little bit longer. But for now it's just like, yeah, I don't know. I'm just grateful that people actually buy stuff like the first. musical stuff so that I don't have to be like refreshing my digital thing every day being like did more money come in did more money come in yeah yeah because now I'm like oh cool 50 more bucks from Dizer let's go yeah Dizer Dizer these are these are made me laugh so hard the first time I saw

on the like sound drop do you want to submit to Dizer too of course why not sure who is using Dizer it's in Europe I know of course it is there's so many my new spot like the list of like the logos and shit they're all so crazy looking i'm like sure just send the different because i don't have to they don't charge me per like they take a 10% cut as their thing to distribute it right and then we get 90 which is cheaper than i was paying before i was paying like 23% before so wow saving 13% and the bands get directly my life significantly improved. That's amazing.

Good for you. And then you keep them cool hats and jackets and pants coming, you know? We keep the drip as the young kids like to say coming. Literally. Brody's actually been a big, like, help because like he likes a lot of stuff I make. So I'll text him and be like, yo, is this too crazy? Should I make this? And he's like, no, just do it.

He's right. It works. Like, you know. He's often right. He's often right. There's a real bastard. What's, uh, you ever seen any ghosts, Sam? Oh, man.

Uh, yeah. I'm a ghost man. I believe. I'm a believer. I believe in aliens too. Wow. We're not. There's, the truth is literally out there.

I've had, I'll tell you my experience firsthand with the ghost that I have. Please do. That's what I'm interested in. Uh, I had a ghost in Boston. And, uh, I had an apartment that I lived in in Boston. It was a one bedroom. It was just me. It was like you walk through the front door, directly into the kitchen, living room,

bedroom to the side, bathroom, like, outside. Like, the bedroom, like, was, like, very small, and there was a door that led to it. And there was one night where I always end my night before I go to bed watching a little bit of Netflix, usually some Seinfeld, maybe the league, something funny, you know, just like, just to put myself in a nice mood before I go to bed. So I turned it off. I start going to bed. And I hear like what sounds like a 1920 speakeasy happening. And like my apartment in Boston was like on the street.

So you could, and it's like near Fenway. So you can hear people like walking. And I was like, but that's like I hear like a piano playing. And like it sounds like a speakeasy is happening. So I was like, what the fuck? And it's coming from my living room. So I was like, maybe I left the TV on in there. Open the door.

The second I open the door, dead silence. and like dead silence. So I was like that was fucking weird. Close the door, get back into the bed. The second my head hits the pillow, it starts up again. Get up again. Do it again. I'm like, what the fuck?

That was crazy. Went to bed. Next day I'm on my computer doing work. I had like a fake fireplace with like a glass door on it. Like you had to pull it open. Glass door just opens. Ooh. And then that night I heard the music again.

And I heard the music constantly every night. for like a week. And I was just like, I got a cool ghost that just wants to party. I'm just gonna leave him alone. Do you have any fillings? Any what?

Fillings? Any cavities? No. But I also don't go to the dentist because I hate the thing. Where the fuck were you going with that? Dude, Lucille Ball

famously overheard transmissions through her fillings and it like got it figured out. The people hear radio and stuff through their fillings sometimes. Depends on mouth acidity. it depends on a lot of things.

I was just curious. Well, in this case, thankfully, just asking these were just like how loud it was when I was in bed versus like how dead quiet it was when I opened the door, something weird was going on. And it wasn't a TV upstairs. Like, because my apartment, I live in an old building. So like you could kind of hear people like in the hallways and stuff.

It wasn't that. It was something weird. And, uh, I'm going to say something that's going to piss Colin off so bad. Just do it. Do you notice, do you notice what activity he was doing when this happened? he wasn't even tired he was watching Seinfeld it wasn't

paralysis I had sleep paralysis before dude that now that is obviously that's that's an anatomical like that's a thing that shit sucks he's convinced that being tired makes you loopy and you don't your brain is wrong so he thinks you're lying essentially it's your brain no no no I know see that's the thing is I don't think you're lying I just you think his brain is lying to yeah kind of like deja vu I'm delirously tired in that moment. I just don't, I don't know if it matters. I believe him, yeah.

Wait, so are you not, Bo, are you not a ghost guy? You don't think ghosts is this. I'm, and I want to be clear, I'm highly skeptical. Like, I really doubt most things, but I'm not cynical. I don't think it's impossible. I really don't. You would love to believe. I genuinely, I have never once in my fucking life had anything, ghosts or aliens, and I'm dying for it.

we're probably going to do some some huntler stuff in Boston oh well that's that's what we're doing that's the plan it's for anybody watching we're going to say when you're in Boston asked pat Flynn uh because I remember

they went to Japan and they had like a weird ghost story that I can't quite remember the detail so I don't want to say it but I remember did we not ask him about ghost shit fuck I can't remember I feel like we did but he talked about an old colonial guy

Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. He just didn't bring up the Japanese stuff. Sorry. I remember him and, it was mainly Ryan was telling the story. Like, Ryan, he don't have art. He had told me he was like, yeah, like there was like some weird ghost shit. I don't remember exactly what it was, but, uh, okay. I remember they, like, had like a weird thing in Japan where like either, like, one of them saw a ghost or somebody they were with, like, saw like a ghost of like a bleeding, like a girl like bleeding.

It would be, like fucked up. Oh, like a classic movie. Yeah. Like movie thing. But like, I don't remember it because that was like in 2009, I think, or eight. But yeah, I'm a believer, man. I believe in aliens. I believe in all that shit.

And I don't know. But I don't really know if I believe in God, which is really funny. Well, I'm like a self-loathing Jew. So like I really don't. To me, like, God is like provably untrue. And ghosts are like absolutely real. They're not mutually inclusive at all to me. Yeah.

I think God and the devil are mutually inclusive. Gods and devils? And devils are mutually inclusive. So I don't think that like devil worship is so silly to me. Yeah, of course. Worship me the devil, then like. Yeah. But that's the difference because like Luciferian Satanism is not, has nothing to do with that.

It's about yourself. I'm just saying. I mean, it's all hilarious to me. Yeah, worshiping something is very funny. It's so funny. aside of fast food. But yeah, hey, if you're listening to this on Thursday and you're in the Salem area, keep an eye out.

Because you might just see us out and about. You might see us and Kurt Ballou trotting about. You might see it. Oh, man. And you just missed the busy season there too, which is good. Yeah. Thank God. Yeah, we're getting there just in time.

Oh, dude, maybe I'll take you guys while you're in Boston to Mount Auburn Cemetery in Cambridge. Take us anywhere. Take us everywhere. It's a huge, awesome cemetery. Terry. Lots of creepy shit in there. We'll be there all weekend, Sam. We'll be there supporting your fest, talking to bands, hanging out. You finally made it.

A, see, for you get some good press. That's finally, right? Never gotten posting on a lamb go once. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I don't, I'm glad, though. Yeah, they're fine. You're now you're on Slipknot.com, baby, so don't you worry about a thing. Yeah.

Thank you. Well, that's two hours, gentlemen. It sure is. Holy shit. That last bit when we were talking about Spotify and stuff, very compelling for me. I agree. So I hope everyone enjoyed that because I don't think people know that kind of stuff. I really don't.

Agreed. It's a slippery slope, man. Sucks, but we need it. Not even, it's just like, it's, I'd rather have the money than nothing. I'm not, I'm not going to be like, yo, we're taking everything off Spotify. We're going to make a statement because that would mean nothing. And really all that. it exemplifies and like highlights to me is like go to shows and buy buy stuff yeah that's yeah if you

want to support the bands but it's no no offense that buy the records from the bands you're going to support the band if you want to support the record buy it online and do what you can you did great on the show we're going to have you back because we agree about most things and we're going to see you soon yeah uh you guys get this Thursday uh Wednesday night oh cool oh tomorrow just in time for dinner just in time Oh, we got to check in soon. I got to check in a little bit. I'm ready to check in now. I'm good to go, bro.

I'm going to send you a, oh, man. When do you guys leave, boss? Sunday. Sunday. And the evening or in the morning? Morning. Morning. Unfortunately.

I actually tried to stay a little bit later just to like not rush, you know, but it didn't work out. The flight side. Friday before the show, I'll take you guys somewhere a real Boston spot. I would simply love that. You guys both eat meat, obviously. Oh, yeah. All right.

We'll get maybe Friday before the gig, we'll get a, we'll get real Boston pizza and like lamb skewers. What's real Boston pizza? Santarpio is in East Boston. That's the spot. I love this. Here's what else. Here's how. This is a real spot.

I took a, a bumble date there years ago. And who did I run into there? Mr. Colin of Ravie himself. Wow. He saw me on a bumble date at San Tarpeos. Boy, his ears must be ringing this week. He's all over. He's like, what are you doing?

He's the king, right? The literal king. He's the Elvis of H.C., I think. Oh, he's like the mayor of Boston, I'd say. He's a mayor of Boston. There we go. Can't wait to talk to him. I got some stories with him that I can't wait to bring up.

I got a couple too, actually. More than what I told you. Yeah, that'll be fun. Well, thanks for having me, boys. This was a last time. Dude, thank you so much. Let's see you in Boston. I'll get, I'll get the spots ready for you.

Thanks, man. Bye.