HardLore - Sebastian Paba (Regulate)

Episode Date: November 10, 2022

Colin and Bo chat with Regulate frontman Sebastian Paba, a spinkicking, backflipping, straight edge sex icon. They talk about Regulate's reputation as troublemakers, committing literal arson, almost dying in a river, their tour of Asia throughout the beginning stages of c*vid, and much more. Regulate's self-titled LP is out now on Flatspot Records. Photo by @ftcfanzine.   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Check, check. We should start it right there, right? That was the good stuff. Hello, welcome. Fuck you. Sorry. You ruined my. I'm keeping this in, too.

I can't even drink water right. Can't send me audio. Can't drink water. Seb's drinking V8. Do you know I woke up, this is going to, it'll be off episodes, but I woke up today with no lies, no riffs in my head. The Bo Looter story. That's what he said to me yesterday.

How about that? I didn't mean, I said I didn't want to say it. Hello and welcome to Hardlore Stories from Tour. What's going on, Colin? I'm just chilling. I've been waiting for this one. I've been excited for this one. We've got a very special guest.

One of the sexiest. Most athletic frontman in the history of hardcore. Talented on the mic. talented on his feet Mr. Fomer Simpson himself Sebastian Pava What's up brother? What's happening? I happen to be here. Big

fan of the show first time, long time. A friend, friend, actual friend of the show. Wow. Yeah. I love that. We were saying a little bit before we started that you and I have crossed paths and we've played shows and fests like right on top of each other.

But just it's always, it's at least the most recent time that was the last time we were in Europe was 2019 right when we did yeah and we just it was one of those things where it was like load in load out next fast cut which is like one of those days we

did like two things in one day and blah blah and it's just like brutal so we never officially met this is the meaning of the minds I remember we it was Temple LeBoon we played together right in England it was that in Leeds Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I met James. I met James at the merch table. And that's the only person from your crew that I talked to. And I think we played, it was either, yeah, I think it was 2019 where we both played Jera. It was Jera on air. Yeah, that's right. We played that like little like weird tent thing.

Give them that. We played the sure tent. I mean, for regular at the time, yeah, for regular at the time, that 10. Made a lot of sense. Dude, you know, we shit on Europe all the time, but that was genuinely the best European tour that we had done. Although, dude, here's something I haven't talked about

that happened on that tour. Wow. I think. No, we're not even getting into Seb's life and we've already got stories. This is perfect. This was on the way to play the show with Regulate in Leitz.

So it's very fitting. Yeah, hit me. I'm always wanted to hear that. Yeah, you got it. Live. We're driving. From who knows where in England, two leads. And we get pulled over and they make us weigh the sprinter.

And it's a full-sized sprinter with a loft and all of our everything could fit under the loft. So no trailer. So it was great. It's great. Sure. And since it was like a fest run, we didn't have cabs or anything or like full drums. So it was like very minimal. So we were able to do it this way.

But that made the van overweight. So they straight up said, oh, yeah, you're going to have to pay a fine and you can't leave. Now you just can't leave. You have to reduce the weight if you want to keep driving. Where were you? England. They make you weigh a car in fucking England? It was a full-sized sprinter.

It's like a commercial vehicle. They do that in America, too. They do that in America. They don't do that here. Don't lie to the list. That's what those way stations are on the house. And nobody goes through those. You don't have, those are optional.

But the crazy thing is, is like, we were essentially, I mean, we're in between two major cities, but like, it's just fields. And so when we were like, well, what do we do? The guy was like, I don't know. Actually, good question. Like, he was straight up just, yeah, I don't know. Taking the piss. Yeah. And so we were like, okay, well, we got to, we're like, okay, we got to get another van to come meet us in England, put all of our shit in it.

And then blah, blah. And then we kind of realized we were thinking about it wrong. We were like, no, wait. We were like 500 pounds overweight and there's five of us. Okay. We all just go to a train station or something and go to Leeds. All roads must lead to Leads. So true.

That's why I call it Leeds. End up calling a cab. And I sat up front with this dude. He was like going to take us to the train station. And then he was like, well, if you're going to Leeds, I can drive you to Leeds. And it was like 80 pounds. And we were like, fuck, yeah. Like, let's go.

Hell yeah. The whole, I sat shotgun. As Colin, you know, is my, my habit of doing with like lift drivers and stuff. I like sitting shotgun and talking to him. This man asked me 10 times on a three-hour drive, like how the groupies were. They don't believe. You're like, no, it's not that kind of then. Yeah, but like.

Yeah, but. Come on. How are they? I mean, how are the, how are the, I forget what he said. But that was all on our way to get to this show that we were playing with Regulate. And I think Extinction AD Yeah. Played as well.

Yep. Long Island, baby. Right. Soldiers. Soldiers up their fuge. That's right. This is hell. And, uh,

we made it. That's the story. But it's just crazy. It's really crazy to be like, oh yeah, you're overweight and now you're in this field. And that's fat shaming. And that's fucked up.

Exactly. That would never have in here. Truckers, they just, they just get to do whatever they want. Florida. They get to weigh whatever. But, Seb, let's get into the needy, greedy here.

Okay. Sorry I kind of fucking. You did. Pirated that part. You did the bow thing. It's fine. We love you. Bo knows.

Bo knows. He's doing great. Don't worry. So, before, so regulate starts on what, 2013? 2014. Demo's on 2013. Demo was out in 2013. I remember vividly because it was like.

Do you really? Vividly? What are you talking about? Because I remember, what do you thought? Hey, come on. There's no. Okay, here's the thing. Let me cut you off for a second.

Sure. A lot of people think that Corrupt Correct, our first EP is our demo. Oh. There's a two-song demo that came out in 2013. That's the demo. I think I remember it, though. Okay. Go ahead.

Because one of the songs on Corrupt, correct, was on that demo, correct? Correct. Correct. Who should say? Maybe I don't, I don't fucking know, man. I just remember for the first time in a while. it was like the lyrics were kind of the it was like yeah you got to listen to this demo for the lyrics

because this kid's popping off you know so that's good that's a good thing to be known for is the rare sure not very very rare like listen to what he's saying you don't get he oh my god you're a barrist straight up before before regulate had you done had you done any touring as a lad with friends bands like here and there but nothing like really really more than like

a week and a half two weeks and regularly was the first band that I sang in I played drums for one show excuse me and yeah when I was in like 11th grade you play drums no I played I've played drums for a band called

Affirmative Action with my friends Armando Jenkins and Tom. Tom's a loser, but Armando and Jenkins are still dope. Jenkins, Jason Jenkins, he's for real like Mosh Pit Legend. Like, if you've seen any video of a show from 2009 up until 2000 and, I mean, current day, he still comes around, but like 2009 to probably like 2013, you've seen Jenkins moshing, any Long Island New York show and it's unreal. And people listen to this, some of you will know.

Wait, is Jenkins? Is Jenkins the guy that does the like wall kicks? No. Kicks off. No. Whoever that guy is out. I want to know. I want to know where he's.

I'll send you a link later to see what Jenkins is. I got to put it over. Yeah. It's got to lay it over. I got you. I got you. Thanks. Was he,

did he ever play in any bands? Jenkins. No. Jenkins was, well, he's in a band right now called terror. Terror eyes. Terrorize.

Okay. He's dope. Cool punk band. He sings in that. But he played bass in affirmative action. Um, as you can. assume none of us were white hence the name are

affirmative action. It's a sick man. I assumed Tom was white. Tom was a loser and you just called him Tom. Yeah, he's a, I wrote a song about him. It's a regular hit. He's a sellout and he's a drop out and he's a loser. But that was like my first crew of friends in hardcore. My mom and my dad would drop me off his shows by myself and I would be afraid in the back. And then one day like those kids and my friend Jamie who's still a close friend

of mine to this day. My friend Isaac as well. They were like, hey, you know, let's be friends. And I was like, okay. So that was like my introduction to like knowing people in hardcore. After going to going to shows for like two years where I didn't really know nobody. How did you? Yeah. How did you?

Yeah. I mean, my mom and my dad would really just draw me off at Ethical Humanist Society or Broadway Bar, VP South. How did you like find out? How did your life lead you ever since I was a little kid for whatever reason I really took to guitar music like much music before it turned to fuse that was my favorite channel like music videos and shit like that honestly my chemical romance has been like the band for me since I was like eight years old probably that was and a fI as well too I saw the girls not great music video and that was like a for real like a pivotal turning point in the trajectory of my life hearing like that was that was probably that was probably like the first like punk music that I heard and in like understood as something different than sing this are other guitar music yeah sing the sarah let me go on I'm gonna go on a limb here

I'm just gonna state this for the record sing the sarah one of like 10 perfect pieces of music dude it's unreal it's crazy it went platinum right like it it should have gone what what do they call a hundred times diamonds diamond is 20s It should have gone a hundred diamond. It was gold. Gold. Gold's not gray. That's what it should have.

There you go. Thank you. There you go. Thank you. But yeah, so, you know, like music videos and stuff and like the look. You know what I'm saying? I didn't see, I never seen fucking guy walking out with mascara or anything. Sure.

And that was cool to me. And at the same time, like 50 cent and like the guerrillas was cool to me too. So it was like two things happening at once, but the, I guess, glamour and the exuberance of hip hop and rap didn't seem applicable to me in my life. And dude's jumping around and like playing instrument for some reason did. As a child who has never seen live music before or played an instrument, for some reason I just took to that. I met my stepdad when I was like nine years old. And he's like just, you know, metal guy, Judas Priest, Iron Maid. and Metallica, all that shit.

And I remember one day we sat down on the couch and we watched this two, two disc DVD set of just Iron Maiden music videos. And that was like another crazy thing. I just saw Iron Maiden the other day with my dad over here in Long Island. Yeah. We see him every time they come to New York for like the last 15 years. That's fucking awesome. What a good, like. Was that, didn't you say, oh, I can't do it that day.

I'm going to Iron Maiden with my dad about Hardlore. Yeah. So it was like that was a very special thing that we were trying to. And right, you were like, every time, every time that they come through, me, him, my uncle Mike and Rob Angelo, we all go to see Iron Maiden. I have an Uncle Mike. You know what I go? We all stood. If you don't have an Uncle Mike, fuck off.

You want to know the thing about my Uncle Mike though? Sure. My dad's last name is Myers. So my Uncle Mike is Michael Myers. Oh, fuck. The third Mike Myers? Dead ass. Damn.

Yeah. Those are two very big shoes. choose to fill. The stats are in. Sing the Sorrow went platinum gold platinum. December Underground went platinum platinum platinum. Isn't that funny that like, debuted at number one as well as platinum.

Platinum the most is platinum. Well, besides diamond, but diamond is like, there's only like 25 records that have ever done diamond. Thriller's diamond. Yeah, thriller in the Eagles. Because like December Underground, as a fan,

I can say as objectively not as good. as good as sing the sorrow, right? Not as good, but it's a good record. It goes. And the tracks are incredible. That one song, that one song, summer and something,

uh, da, da, da, da, da, da, oh my God. That shit was crazy.

Yeah, that's a, that's a fucking hit. Incredible song. It's so funny how that works where, like, the record that pops

is always preceded by kind of almost a bigger hit monetarily. Yeah. But it doesn't end up always, like, like bad, probably,

I think is obviously much longer than thriller. As a Michael Jackson head rip, Seb, we'll talk about that. You know, we go. Oh, are you? I would love to talk about Michael Jackson. That's amazing.

Bad has like, bad is a better record than Thriller. Just like pound for pound. Yep. But it hasn't, it hasn't sold as many, but it had more number ones. Maybe just because it has more songs.

You know what's funny is people say that the stinker on thriller is the girl is mine. But like, I fucking love that song It's a good song It's a great Well there's isn't it Is it eight songs or nine?

Yeah it's very I think it's eight songs So there was there's no stinker But if I had to pick If you had to choose one It would probably be the girl's mind She loves your mom Bad

I would say Liberian girl's the only skit Liberian girl And it's still great You skip that song You hear You hear in the beginning of that song.

I can't doka, Tukapas Tips a way. Shut up. I don't, it's not that it's a skip. It's just like, it's a,

it's every song is like, you'll win the next track hits, you're like, oh fuck. This is on here? It's, it's nine songs. You guys buy into the,

Quincy Jones did a, did like an interview, I think, with the New Yorker where he basically just talked shit on Michael and said he didn't know what the fuck he was doing ever. But this is post-mortem.

Guy can't defend himself. True. He was literally like, oh yeah, I wrote this. I did the sequence of that. I mean, I absolutely believe that. But listen to Michael without Quincy and listen to Michael with Quincy. Tell me that ain't too very different. Very true.

Yeah. Quincy Jones also said that Marlon Brando and Richard Pryor used to fuck each other in the butt. That's like a, that's the thing. It's the thing, huh? Yeah. Brando was out there with a lot of stuff. I really hope my mom doesn't listen to this. Why?

She's never heard me say a combination of words like that. Sorry, Mom. Marlon Brando at one point owned an island and just had like a mini cult of islanders. Male and female and everything in between. He was just out there. He was the godfather in some ways. The original. So 2013 rules.

What was the first live band you ever saw that made? you go, I got to do that. It's not a band. In 2000, my mom and I went to Manhattan to see Will Smith perform. And it was the, it was the Willenium. It was just outside, Willenium. And then after that, the first live thing I ever saw was my parents and I drove to not Philadelphia, somewhere weird in Pennsylvania that had an arena.

We saw Death Leppard and Tesla. Wow. Tesla? Who cares? You were there and see Death Leopard. Didn't matter. I saw Death Leopard. It was really crazy.

There was like women flashing like the camera being on like the fucking thing and my mom being really bummed about it, hating it. Yeah. The guy in line in front of us to get into the arena was wearing a shirt and on the back of it said 50 different things to do with pussy. And it was a bunch is a cat doing a bunch of different suggestive things. Wow. And it was just like a cold.

culture shock to my mom because... I mean, it's been 20 years and you still remember the shirt. Yeah. She was right. This is before fucking Photoshop. Imagine that guy just like... Drawing out these cat designs. It was really crazy.

But yeah, Def Leppard was the first live thing that I saw. And then after that, my dad and I would just go to... Just cut big metal concerts and stuff like that. How did that transition into hardcore? Yeah, right. Um... I was, so I saw the music video for that brand sick transit, something, Gloria Fades, whatever it's called, the brand new video, right? And I thought it was crazy.

I was like, wow, this is insane. It was the first time I'd ever seen it. But I didn't remember the name of it, right? So like a year later or something, a little bit after that, we got internet and iTunes was a thing. And I was like, I need to remember that song. Like I need to listen, hear that song again because I hadn't seen the video again somehow. you know and all I could remember is that the letter G was in it and I couldn't remember anything else so I'm in iTunes typing in like G L G O trying to figure it out because I'm trying to hear

the 30 second snippet they used to do you know what I'm saying oh wow somehow start today by the gorilla biscuits come up wow and I I clicked that that's crazy I was like this is what the fuck is this and then I went on YouTube and then I started watching gorilla biscuits video on YouTube and I was like this I have truly never besides leaving song part two music video where they're mashing that's so I was going to bring that back up but continue but but that music video and then like gorilla biscuits at the ritz from the new york hardcore documentary is like you know I'm to two different worlds of the same world and I had no idea you know and just honestly like I got into hardcore like pretty basically through the internet and just through my curiosity I didn't have

like my dad doesn't know about hardcore he knows about metal and stuff you know I don't have no older siblings. I didn't have any friends older than me. I don't have any friends at the time to show me anything cool. So it was really just on me. That's a rare thing. That's very rare. No old head.

You were your own old head. We haven't talked to anyone who's had a similar story yet. Very deep. Yeah, I know. And then, yeah, just YouTube, just seeing it live. And I think that's like my introduction to the genre and like the lifestyle and everything being through. the live performance, even if it was due videos, I think that it has made me appreciate and understand all of this in a way maybe different than other people who hear the music first.

You know what I'm saying? Like, just seeing that and like, I think that's why I put such an emphasis on the live performance. I think we all do. You have to. It's huge. I genuinely think, and it was like a term with Harman. way where it was like if we can if we get people in the room like we got them like that's that's all that's all it

takes is like getting people physically in front of you just to like get the energy and to like understand the aggression within the music and i think that's huge and what you were ahead of your time in your in your journey there oh well i was going to say like i hope like people who are able to people like today we have to talk about how the um attention span is so short with how social media and stuff presents music. Like comparing being able to just swipe through Instagram or TikTok or whatever to what you did to find this one song and then you stumbled upon something and then we're able to kind of like dive into it.

Like that's such a crazy. I know. It's a lot of things had to line up for you to be. I mean, it was really meant to be. I don't know what kind of person that would be. I can't even come up with even a hypothetical answer because I was on a path to some sort of extreme guitar music since from a very early age. And it was all due to circumstance and the TV channel I picked that day. You know what I'm saying?

And even like me looking for a brand new song, like as a kid is like with no one telling me. Yeah, that's that's right outside of Hartford. Yeah. And that was in the backyard. I'm saying. I had no idea. Literally. Yeah, that's that's that so many things that it's so you were ahead of your time there because we are currently in a completely like digital visual age where like the hate five the eight K hate five six sets are like are getting eyes they're getting a hundred people into hardcore a day probably you know like like their manager bro my manager text

the other day, sent me a picture of myself from a hate five, six video, being like, I just found out about hate five, six. This is a really crazy set. And he's like a dude that likes like American football, kind of. Yeah, yeah. And now his whole world is fucked. I've had people be like, oh, you're in the meme band.

The running man band. You know, like, that's people see it. And like, and people see it. And that, but that's, that's like the only, your music will not be enough to get you right anymore. There has to be some. kind of like different visual element to it. Yeah.

I was going to say the leaving song video, I'm sure you both know this, but maybe people don't, how they kind of, how they played hate, they played satisfaction over and just had everybody pit. And apparently, apparently it was Joe hardcore and bunch of Philly guys.

And I believe Luke Gray from the killer was also there. You know, sickest thing ever. Some real heavy hitters. It's a very, very cool. Oh, God. What was the casting goal for that?

I know. real hard moshers only gray gray hoodie yeah brand brand new are they the most like devastating musical cancellation no he i'm pretty sure and don't put me on the record but i'm pretty sure my man jesse was exonerated of claims really wasn't he really i believe i believe so like i said i don't know i don't know i haven't well so there's a weird thing with with saves the day too chris connelly got like canceled soft canceled It's off canceled and they're just touring. Yeah.

I don't know that that was, whatever that was, was to the extent of. No, no, no. It is different for sure, but it's still like, I remember, I love Saves-D-Day, and I remember hearing that it's like, oh, like, that band's just like, not going to do anything, I guess. Nope. And they're touring. They're going to play in December.

Yeah. Cool, man. Does brand new have any shows on the books or anything? No way. I don't think so. I would know. It would be like an Instagram story. lucky,

for a loser if they did. Absolutely. I've never seen him. I'd like to see him, though. I never seen him either. I haven't seen him either. I haven't seen him either.

You know what? If we're going like top 15 perfect things, I might put devil and God in there. I love devil and God. It is a fucking masterpiece. It's a really, cancellation.

It's a really, yeah, who else? We don't condone what they said, but we brand new. We love to listen to Yeah, yeah. I don't...

What are other... This is such a dark topic. What are other canceled bands that are dead? Or just like that are upsetting. I mean, they're all upsetting. But you know what was really tough was Louis C.K. Yeah. Yeah.

He really for sure did that shit. And Louis was like the best thing. Yeah. How about Aziz? I'm sorry. Don't get me started on that. they got him to. I don't think we're qualified to

to give an opinion on the matter. Yeah, that's a tough one. But another, dude, another tough one that's like for sure happens is Kevin Spacey. Yeah.

I fucking, I love Kevin Spacey. It makes every movie he's in where he's like a bad guy, so scary. I can't watch it. Seven is so scary now. Dude,

fucking even horrible bosses. He's just like a prick and it's just like, oh, this is. Now that. That's a horror movie now. Do you like any canceled stuff? Me?

What's your favorite canceled thing? Favorite canceled thing? Michael Jackson. Oh, true, man. We're qualified to talk about that HBO thing being a crock of shit. I'll say that. I haven't even...

Colin, no, I got to check you on that. Yeah? When that came out, when that came out, and you did a real deal. I did my real deal. own research after that. Just another real deal.

And I did my own research. I don't believe them. But again, maybe I'm not qualified to talk about that. But I have seen videos that contradict like every aspect of that. But then it's also like, I don't know, sources or, I don't. I just let the man rest, you know. Namaste. It's so upsetting.

It is what it is. It is what it is. It is truly what it is. And I don't, are people. able to separate the art from the artist. It's a case by case. Yeah, I mean, we all pick and choose.

And you're lying if you say that you don't. And I just fucking, I don't know, man, this life. I don't know what to tell you. And yeah. And you're not wrong for being like, I can't, I can't do it with them anymore. I wouldn't ever hold that against nobody. You know what I'm saying?

I also wouldn't hold it against somebody being like, oh, man, I get it. It's bad. I want to put this right on. But the way you may. make a miff and you're like, oh, fuck. Come on. Yeah, I just thought you were doing disturbed

just now. The beginning of it. It's the same, dude. That? Come on, man. We're ready for anything. Holy moly. It's got that good shuffle beat in the way you make me feel.

It does. So 2013 rolls around. Yeah. Regulate demo comes out. Yes, sir. that then the real kind of the regular demo that people know comes out the following year how soon until you guys start hitting the road not soon at all we did we wrote recorded and released the two song demo in one day I left I got into a car accident about 20 minutes later and then I went to go see turnstile backtrack king nine and suburban scum at the um glencove moose lodge in glencove new york that's that the darker half release thing no no no that was it was like a benefit of show for somebody. And it was those four bands. Great YouTube video. You can see

Jason Jenkins spin kicking me in that. It's awesome. It's a now defunct venue. Yeah, we tried. A life and death went there and it like got canceled as all the bands like arrived. At Glencove? At the Moose Lodge. That's what sounds familiar. That's what rang my bell. But it like last minute was like, oh, show can't happen on Long Island. Oh yeah. And then it happened at

AMH. I remember how much way. Yeah, yeah. So then, yeah, then we, we were supposed to play a show a few months after the original demo came out. That show got canceled. And then we were just like trying to like practice and like write more music. I don't know. It's crazy now. Like we were so young when we put that out. And it's just like we like truly.

And I had never been like a real, real band before. So I don't know what the fuck was going on. You know what I'm saying? But we wrote some more songs. We played our first show in May. It might have been 2013 or 14, I forget. We played our first show in May, I think it was May 13th. We'd take offense, downpressor, pressure drop from Long Island, and bottom out from Long Island.

And we opened and we covered victim by District 9. And I was wearing a great criminal instinct shirt and khaki pants. And it was dope. It was really cool. Were you like a little guy back then? Yeah. Yeah, bro. I was, that was 20.

2013 so I was like, you know. How old are you? I'm 27. It's a good age. Been in the game. You're saying? Prime right there. God.

I hope it's not. I hope brother. I'm after this. Oh, no, no. You're just kidding. Yeah, exactly. I'm, I refuse. To age?

I mean, do I look 27? You don't? No, no, sir. I hope my prime was when I'm like 45. You know what I'm saying? Oh, absolutely. I guarantee. it for you. I got it in me.

So yeah, we did that and then we wrote some more songs. We got, we played like a couple of shitty shows, I think, on Long Island and then we got, um, we got asked to play anchors up in Nass. Yeah. One of the greats. Yeah. Well, the hottest.

All right. The hottest in America, maybe? Probably the hottest. No ventilation on the ground. I've ever been for sure. Chris pukes during the set. I believe that. We played, we played that show with, um, I think dead end path, floods, which is what turned into vain, I think. Oh, right. Bloods, Bloods was in like the, Bloods, M.A., dude.

Yeah, floods, dead end path. They're like Tyler Mullen from Eur of the Knife, Gerdiron, his like indie band played and maybe a couple others. And Sam, Triple B booked that show. And we played and people Mosh for the first time to us. And we were in Massachusetts and could not believe what I was seeing. that point in my life, for real, no exaggeration. It's one of like the apexes of my life to that point, seeing people watch my shitty band in a different state.

They don't fucking know us. Your first out-of-state show where it, like, where it happens is so awesome. It's so. I'll never forget that. It's unreal. Sam paid us $100. And I was like, dude, every time you guys make a joke on the show about doing a tour for $150 night, I think about Sam being like, here you go, guys.

It was the first one you ever got paid. We had played a few shows at that point. Never got paid, obviously. we shouldn't have been paid. He gave us 100 bucks and I was like, for real? Like, do you want me to break? You want change back or what do you want?

What do you need? Like $80 back? I got you. We joke about that, of course, for tours. But like, the first time any of our bands got that, it was like, I can do so much. I can pay for band practice with this.

Yeah, right. Even more immediate, we don't have to pay for gas to ourselves. Oh. the minivan that we traveled up in huge um yeah so that happened and i think yeah it was just like scattered shows around long island in like brooklyn um i think the next and then we did the corrupt corrupt corrupt correct thing and then we blind justice was supposed to play um f y a the year that it was in the big green screen jai ly court and they had to drop

And I was at a mother mercy show at the Jersey Shore. And Bob was like, he was like, yeah, blind justice can't play. So like, you guys want to come down FYA and play or whatever. He's like, I can't pay you, but I'll give you some water or something like that. And I was like, how you fly you over. He was like, yeah, if you guys can get to the show, you got the slot. You can play. Wow.

Yeah. And then the next day, I'm pretty sure was Christmas. And then we bounced on the 26. We played one show on the way down in Richmond. And then we played, and this is 2015, I believe, 14, 15, I don't fucking know. We played FYA and that was like kind of a thing for us. You know what I'm saying? We only had the demo.

Absolutely. It was a really crazy set. We covered jail depression. The lights went out during a breakdown of one of our songs. And of course, come on. That's perfect. Are you kidding me? That's the best thing ever.

It was unreal. And like a complete accident. No one was like, oh, you know what I'm saying? And it shows, woo! Yeah, yeah. Again. That's the only time I'm afraid, like on stage. Like when that happens, I'm like, oh.

So that was like a pretty cool thing. You know, YouTube video. We all know how far YouTube video can go. And that got us out there. And that was the furthest by far we've ever played from home. And then, yeah, Long Island, Jersey Shore, Richmond, where we played most of our shows. And then we put out.

Years of Ray GP in 2016, and that was like on Edgewood Records. Yeah, that's like what got people's attention in a real way. That's probably when I first heard of the band, I think. Yeah, I think that's the consensus for a lot of people, not in the Northeast or Richmond. We did our first full U.S. tour with Blind Justice in three weeks, or over the course of three weeks, I should say. That went out to Sound Infuri, 2016. You're skipping over. some, I know there's some good shit hidden in between those dates, brother.

I don't know. Are you saying on the tour itself? On the tour itself? What comes up? Oh, even, even before that actually. See? Even before that, we played TUI's first show back at Game Changer World. Oh, in Jersey.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and that was our first. Big ass thing. That was our first hate five six video. And that was like our first, that was the biggest show we had played by a mile at that point. And it was in Jersey, which is like where, like, we, we claim New Jersey as much as we claim New York. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's right. Everybody from New York was there, too. So that was like huge, you know. And yeah, so that was another big thing.

Uh, what you're talking about has not happened yet. Okay. So 2016. No, I'm not, it's not just that, you know, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll get you there. Don't worry. Okay. Okay. Just I want. Just I want to know some good stuff. Like what's scrambled in there where you're like, oh, this is the thing that happened. Oh, right. That's a good question. That tour was like, so that was the first full U.S. tour that most of us had done. What was that like for you?

You staying on couches? Oh, yeah. Like, it was dirt. It was dirt. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. There was a couple nights where you get a hotel and you feel like. God.

God himself, you know? And at that point, like, the reputation that proceeds regulating blind justice was, it was really true. And we liked to destroy hotel rooms. And we did that. And we destroyed a lot of shit. A lot of fireworks in the van.

A lot of fireworks in, you know, wooded areas in restaurants. A lot of... Smokey the Bear fucking hates both bands, basically. Yeah, and we hate them back. Dead raccoons.

It's on site. Dead raccoons in the fucking hotel room. You know what I'm saying? Taking, we, there's a good picture of, we took for, someone in one of the two bands, right? We played a show. We stayed at a hotel, both bands in one room. Someone in one of the bands went to go hang out with the girl,

much of the chagrin of the two bands. because we're hanging out. You're going to leave the boys like that? At this age, I understand, whatever. But I'm fucking, this is a long time ago, I'm not, we're not hoping. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So he's like, I'll be back.

You know? No, no, no, no, no. He's like, I'll be back. Like, don't sweat. I'll come back. And we're like, no, you won't because we're not going to let you back in. And so we locked the door obviously. But then we put every piece of furniture that we could possibly move and pick up in front

of the door. And there's a picture of all of us in front of it, like the couch, the fridge, the fridge. the bed, the mat, like everything. Just locking yourselves into a death trap if there's a fire. Did nobody like tell you guys about incidentals on cards or? You don't give up.

The person who's card. The person whose card it was on was the person that we were acting out towards. So we didn't give a shit. You know what I mean? They still in the band? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Here's another good story. I think the statute of limitations is probably over with this one. Sure. So Jared, the very, very swole Filipino king and regulate. Of course. He's not a, he's not very, he doesn't like to drive a car, right? He's from out east on Long Island, like kind of like Coyo country, pretty far, right?

Coyote was out there? He was out there, bro. Okay. Out there. So he won't drive into Brooklyn. He won't drive through the city. He won't drive over state lines. He only drives in New York.

or in Long Island, I should say. But on tour, it's like, at a certain, you got to pull your weight. And he's like, he's the youngest in the band. He's a very quiet guy to himself. So we never give him shit, really. He always escaped because we torture each other. But he's always escaped that because he's like the little brother's standing away. Exactly.

We don't have that in us towards him, right? So one day we're like, all right, we're all fucking tired. Jared, you got to drive today's the day, right? He's like, okay, I'll do it. No problem. Whatever. I got to do my part. He gets it.

So we're in, I think we had just played Tucson maybe. Okay. And so we like, we decide he's going to drive in the middle of a drive. We pull over on the side of the highway. It's probably only like 11 o'clock. So it's not that late. There's some traffic. Tucson, obviously.

Desert, you know. So Harry is in the front passenger. Jared is in the driver's seat. The side doors are open. I forget who did it. But we had a lot of fireworks. And someone shot, I think just a Roman candle at like the brush next to us. And we were like, ah, that's funny.

Yo, and the shit started to catch fire. And Harry's like, so this thing with the shifter is weird. And then when you break, you got to do. So he's given the in and out to the thing. And I'm watching the fire grow. And I'm like, and the fire is growing dog. And it's windy. And the fire is catching.

And I'm like, we got to go. We got to go. He's like, I'm not, I'm not ready. And I take my hands, I press it down on his right leg to push the gas to accelerate. We got the fuck out of there and you look back and the fire was just growing. Oh, no. So, yeah, that happened. First ever arson on Hardware.

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Hard more. I like to call hard more. There you go. How you doing? Yeah, after that, the next thing that happened, we played the Sound and Fury pre-show. That was incredible. I think he sold like $1,000 of merch, and that was like, oh, my God. I could probably quit my job now, I think.

That was, like, insane. And the show was fucking crazy. Where was the pre-show? The Echo. It was a place that had, I haven't been. to a show. I've been to maybe one of the show there since. It was a big stage and then downstairs there was a smallest

stage. It was us, beautiful ones and one or two of the games. What's that place called? They do like rage and shit now. People, when you go to get in, people line up on the side and there's like a big driveway that you line up to get into. If that helps.

Oh, Regency? Union. Union, yes. We don't talk about union. Yeah, unions. That's That's banned. Union's out. Fuck Union. Fuck everybody involved with Union.

That's right. On site with Union. On site. Fuck anybody that plays Union. For real. I'm down. Whatever. So Regulate wasn't on Sound of Fury, but Blind Justice was.

So we did the thing where you play a couple of songs. We play a couple songs. Thankfully, Nate and Martine were gracious enough to let us do that. Yeah. And yeah, it was dope. And we toured back. And it was incredible. It was three weeks.

We packed a lot into those three weeks. and it was very eye-opening. It was my first time in a lot of different places. And, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead, please. This is good, trust me. The second first show of the tour was a two. There you go, thank you. Regulating Blind Justice were the only two bands on the first show in Richmond.

It was a basement show. Second show was in Atlanta, right? Okay. Before the show, we go to some river, right? To swim. They're from the Jersey Shore. These guys like water. You know what I'm saying?

So we go to swim across this river. You like that shit too? You like jumping off of stuff? I like to watch. I'm like the band videographer. If you look through my shit, I got a fucking catalog. You know what I'm saying? I'm more of a beach guy, ocean guy.

You know what I'm saying? I like a cavern. You know, I like a cave. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Dark. I don't think I've ever seen a cage.

I love the beach. I love, I'm a big ocean. That's crazy. Ocean is the way. Why? That you're a beach guy? Why is that? I just don't get it.

I don't get that. I live next to a giant lake with a huge beach. You seem like the kind of guy that would wear jeans to the beach. No, I'm very much, that's like the only time I wear shorts is swimming. Okay. Vos not shy physically.

No. He'll whip it out anytime. Well, I don't mean in terms of like that, I'm saying like, you just be like, no, I'm just wearing my black jeans to the beach.

What's up? I'm good. I love a beach. Dude, like, when you, we've been to Australia a few times and it's like, you can't not. Yeah. It's true. You just can't. The whole thing's a beach. Yeah.

It's true. Sorry. My love for beach in the ocean was only intensified tenfold on this fateful day in Atlanta, Georgia. We drove. So, okay, there's a pretty, it's a pretty decent swim, right? And there's a little bit of a current. So the idea is you swim straight. You just stay steady.

The current will take you to where you got to go. So by the time you get to the other side, you just climb up the rock and you jump off the rock you know what I'm saying so we go in like groups of two right me and Jared the last two for whatever reason no big deal we go the water is it's only may and we're like it's like some mountain runoff right so it's cold water is cold so you get in there you're like ooh you don't it's the kind of shit that makes you go yeah so we get in there swimming swimming no problem about halfway I stopped just to like see how far I got to go I'm like okay and I try to throw my arm over I'm just a little harder than it was two seconds ago.

And I keep going. And my limbs just start to not cooperate with me. Oh, no. And I start to panic. And I'm getting closer because the current is taking me. But I'm like, I couldn't move my arms and my legs to a certain point. From like the temperature or something? I think me stopping for even two seconds to just assess my distance was enough for my body to be like, nope, too cold.

Sorry, I'm going to die now. Yeah, for sure. Some shock. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what it was. But I was trying to swim and I couldn't and I was starting to tread water. And then I was like Jared was like pretty close.

He was about to hop onto the rock and everybody else is there and they're watching me. And I'm like like going under the water a little bit. And I'm like, and they're laughing. They're like, oh, Sebs is being hilarious and funny. No, dude. I was drowning. And I on my straight edge, I was like, I'm going to die right now. Like I'm, it's a second.

day of the pro u.s and i'm about to die wow here that wouldn't be fair that would be fucked up to the band it's not even like like i die in a cool way when the band was like in a cool era it was like shit was just starting to go crazy you know what I'm saying uh and I was like wow

I'm really about to just drown in front of my boys they're laughing at me they don't even know right because we're all some jokesters that's a joke that we would do I'm dying um out of nowhere uh very large Caucasian man with beautiful brown hair swan dives off the rock

jumps into the water our then bassist Dan Max also jumps into the water when they realize like he's going down for like so a stranger savior yeah he comes down our old bases Dan he jumps down they grab me they pull me up on the rock I have never felt more exhaustion through my body since before since or before then you know what I'm saying

like I was completely spent and yeah I thought I was I was swimming is like the full body thing. I'm never more tired than after a day at the beach. Oh my God. Shat and swimming. Chip sandwich after the fucking. Yeah.

Yeah. And the cool part about that is that I went after like five minutes of recouping. I realized it had to go back. And I told one of like the hillbillies who had a raft. I was like, yeah, I'm going to need your raft to get over there because I'm not swimming. I held onto that shit with Dan and I kicked. and uh... They said cool, that's cool

They were like, yeah man, that's fine Like, I saw what happened That's fine You do what you gotta do We'll grab it Just leave it over there That's fine Wow

It was laid back country folks Save the day Again they always do God bless you know what I'm saying God bless them So yeah I don't really fuck with rivers anymore Anything rivers are scary

Because you know You also never know what's in there Beach ocean comes back and forth And I know how to like I know about riptize I know about this well I know the ocean. I don't know.

Bodies of water really scare me. Do we went to 1,000 steps beach one time? Sounds far. It's in Laguna. Too many thousand steps. Too many fucking steps. But it was right around like five, six o'clock in the summer. And I guess that's kind of like the time.

I don't really know how tides and shit work. But we were getting pulled out really hard. But it was like fine. And then all of a sudden I got pulled out a little bit further. And I felt cold water. And it was like, oh, the tide is straight up changing. And like to get back, we were like digging in. And one of us was straight up, like the lifeguard had to run it.

And they were saying like help. Like James help. Oh, wow. It was like for real. And then we drove. One of us as in. Nate's going to give me shit if I say. Yeah.

But yeah, someone was just like, like for real out there. Fuck that. It was scary. One time I was in the ocean, this is what scarred me. Yeah, what was it? So I don't fuck with the ocean, brother. I'm having a good time. You know, I'm enjoying myself.

I'm out there, right? Catching waves, doing the thing where you're swimming backwards against it, and you let it take you. You're like, that was so fun. I'm going to go back. Kawabunga. Kawabunga. Yippi-ki-e.

As they say. One of them times, I feel something smack up against me. And I'm like, damn, I just hit some motherfucker in this wave. And I just see a fin swimming. Oh, God damn. You never told me that. Really? I don't like to talk about this.

You think I want to be like, yeah, I almost got eight. No. Bring it up trauma? Yeah, straight up. Where were you? Just a beach in California. Northern California. Like Zuma or some bullshit.

Yeah, yeah. They're out there sometimes. The first time we ever went, swam in the Pacific Ocean, harm's way. James came running on the shore. He was like, get out, there's a shark, there's a shark. Like, for real, like, everybody get out. And we like, look and like, there's things.

And the surfers were all like laughing at us. Oh, the dolphins, Mike. Yeah, they were just fucking dolphin. This for sure was not a dolphin. People say it was. I'm not one of those people. Okay. I know a dolphin when I see it.

It was an upside-down surfboard. It wasn't even anything. I don't think it was that. It could have been. It was an awesome-down surfboard. It was a gray issue. How old was I? Yeah.

Like 16. 30. Okay. 16.30. Yeah, this happened last year, dude. I was 16 years old. I know what a dolphin looks like, you know? Okay.

I've lived here for four years at this point. I've seen dolphins. This was a shark fan. Uh-huh. Wow. Because dolphins do this, right? And sharks do this. Sharks.

Yeah. It was like a horizontal thing. Yeah. This is shark. Whatever subs do is exactly. Yeah. That's right. Interesting. So I'm scared. I won't, I won't go in there.

Really? You just still, that's just it. Won't go. You love a pool? Love a pool. Oh, my. Pools. Fuck pools.

Fuck pools. Oh, man. What? Like that. Like that. Yeah. Corrine? What are you talking about?

I didn't know you were crazy like that. Ocean. The ocean is awesome. Checking into a hotel and seeing a pool hot tub combo is. The hot tub. That's restorative. for the most of them. You never, how do you have time for the hotel pool though? Now also yeah. Yeah, what do you mean? I never have time for the hotel pool. You're not pulling up to the hotel at 2 a.m.

To leave at 6. 6. Yeah. Exactly. What does that mean? What does that mean? Talk to the front desk and no, that's not what I mean. I normally we pull up to a hotel. We have seven hours between arriving and leaving. Oh, well, how do you fit a pool into that? We just don't, we, we plan a little better. Hmm. I mean, you're asking the questions. I'm asking no. question that on this on this tour we just did with vain vain would like look for hotels or pools you wouldn't think it but those are some aquatic little nerds they're aquatic we got you regulate got vain uh to the beach i think uh one time on the tour and they had a great time i have pictures to prove it i can't believe well they i can't i don't know if you're allowed to bring a fucking nintendo switch

into a pool you're you sure they were in there we were in there bro we got we got vain to I need my cover for my switch to bring it into the pool. When we, this is how not beach people they are. When we got, we just had to walk down some steps to get to this beach. And instead of like going on the sand to like post up, put our shit down,

these motherfuckers just go underneath the steps. And like it's the most, there's like spider webs and like old shoes. It's like the most vain beach spot you've ever seen in your life. Oh my God. Remind Hill. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. This is good. Silent Hill too, actually. but it's more what the this looks like. Sounded just like Bain. So Regulates moving along. Yes.

You're crushing now. You got a new record out. We don't need to get it there quite yet because I got a question for you. Go ahead. You ever beat up a whole band? Yeah. Cool, man.

I guess we can end it there. What was that like? Yeah. You know, if you know, you know, if you saw, you saw, if you heard you hurt. You know what I? I heard. A lot of people did.

And it's funny, the reputation that preceded us after that as like tough guys. And that just wasn't the idea. But I definitely had that. I had that in my mind. That's fire. For sure. That's dope. Me and body like to say that one of the longest standing rumors in modern day hardcore is

a bunch of hard asses, motherfucker. The tallest person in the band is like 5'10. He's talking about, you know what I mean? Everybody in the band can do a backflow. You know? We are possibly pound for pound

the strongest modern hardcore band Late to rest doesn't play shows anymore so they're out you know what I'm saying jagged visions

maybe regulate strong one of the most athletic bands dude 2018 you're saying regulate pound

for pound strongest band in hardcore yeah strongest band 2018 harm's way

could have given you a run for your money. I'm telling you know what? We're on Warb Tour and we were working out every. You know what? I literally forgot that Harm's way existed for the last 10 seconds. It's harms way. For the last 10 months. It's harm's way, but uh, regulates up there. But one thing, we're strong, we're fast, we're athletic, we're limbered and we're nimble. You guys play wiffle ball. You guys can have a regular. We go hard. You go hard. Love whiffle ball on tour. One thing that, one thing that regulate is not is a bunch of like hard ass dudes. But we are, we are a bunch of self-respecting men with dignity and we'll handle it if we have if it comes to that point

absolutely you're what I'm saying um and it sometimes at a few times over the course of a few years things have to be handled you know what I'm saying let me ask you another question are you fast I'm I'm probably the fastest guy in hardcore of all time I'm not I'm not laughing because I think you're lying. I know. I just love the, I love, I love, I love that you, that you know that about yourself. I know that on that, on that tour in 2016, I tweeted that if anyone at the show wants to race me, you can get whatever you want at the merch table for free. Any anybody, anybody step up? A few people, yeah, and they got crushed, all of them. Wow. I love that. All of, I love that. Here's the thing, though, January, last year, FYA, I walk into the venue.

Robert Gade's about to start. I say, what's up to a few people. I'm in the venue for about 10 minutes. Robert Gates starts to play. I know they're fast. They're fast. Yeah. I'm faster, but they're fast. They're Colombian. We're all fast.

You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. Mosh pit activation, right? I'm in there. I'm doing my thing. I get on stage. I'm going to do a dive. I see it's a little scattered.

The dive is not the move right now. Let me hit a little headwalk. I like that I can talk to you guys in the actual terminology. Yeah. Yeah. When people ask how I fucked up my name, like, uh, I literally say I jumped off the stage and you're like, all right. So don't worry about them

Try to hit a little headwalk I go boop, boot, boot I land on my two feet, right? I don't fall or nothing But as soon as I make contact With the ground, my left leg One of these I know, not even that

I don't even know what happened But you know like when something You hurt yourself And you like hear it in your body Like the band is playing Your ligament or tendon or something You feel it so that it sends it to your ears It was like

And I was like I was like, whoa, I can't walk. So I crawled to like the corner. I took my pants off hoping my knee would be like backwards or a bone would be sticking out. Because then I would know what's wrong, right? There's no cosmetic external damage. I'm like, oh, fuck. A friend gave me a couple ibuprofen.

I was like, okay, it's wearing off. Like, I'm good. The adrenaline starts wearing off. I'm like, wow, this really hurts. Yeah, yeah. Ultimately what happened, I found out that I tore my meniscus and my ACL. Both? Both.

Yeah. Just what had walking? Yeah, I just landed. Like I said, nothing even that crazy. Yo, I was after show for probably 20 minutes when this happens. First day of FYA, bro. So you didn't have time to do something bad for karma to collect. Maybe this was the brush fire in Arizona.

You kidding, man. There's a lot. There's a lot, to be honest with you. Yeah, man, it was fucked up. So nobody's beaten you in a race yet since then? Can you race still? Yeah, have you lost speed? So I was supposed to get surgery to,

repair my knee in May, May 3rd, two days before my insurance calls me and they're like, yeah, we're not going to cover it. We decided that you don't need the surgery anymore. You don't need the surgery anymore? How are you going to tell me? You and my body feeling it? I'm saying. They said there's not enough conclusive evidence that I need a surgery that they think I can heal through PT or whatever. There's MRIs, both of my, my ACL and my menisksics were both halfway torn each. Partial tears. That's not going to just heal the right way. I haven't been able to get surgery since. How are you feeling?

I played goalie and ice hockey today for two hours, and then I was hitting 315 pound rack pools. So how you think I'm feeling, bro? It hurts. It hurts pretty often. No, I mean, so the thing is, like, it'll heal. But instead of it healing the right way, it kind of healed a weird way. Incongruent, it's called. Yes, precisely.

The same thing happened in my hand. I didn't get surgery. Now I'm fucked for a lot. Really? Yep. I know. I'm learning so much about it. Can't tell all.

This is it. Or lore. Exposé. Hard more. Hard more. Hard more. Hard more. Hard more.

Hard more lawyer. Yeah, man. So I wanted to get to surgery, but like there was tours coming up and shows coming up. And I was like, these are already planned. Surgery will fuck it up. I can't do that. So it just kept getting push and push and push. And at a certain point, I was like, this is what I got.

I know my schedule for the next few months. I cannot get surgery. So let me just get strong. Right after the injury, at that point, I was playing hockey probably three or four times a week in lifting weights. I was like, all right, let me chill. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, let me just chill.

I took a break from the gym. I lost a bunch of weight because of the knee injury. I have some other medical issues. Those started taking, like, fucked me up bad. So I was like a shell of myself for a few months. And then when I decided like this is what I, got, I just got to live the way that I normally live. That's when things started getting better. So I just got back into the gym and I was like, let me try out hockey. And I've been playing hockey

again consistently for probably the last month and a half or so. Maybe the most insane cardio you can do. Dude, the fact that I'm playing goalie in hockey where all you do is slam your knees into the ice as hard as you can and then doing the splits is crazy. Are those pads doing their job or what? Or every time you do it, you're just like, Oh. I've strengthened the knee and the muscle around it, my quad and my hamstrings, my cap, all that enough to where there's a lot of like, there's a lot there. You know what I'm saying? And I'm lucky enough to just be a very flexible number person to where.

Did it all that, brother. I'm good. I decided I just ran a 5-3-1 program. I decided I'm not going to squat when I start my next program. That's the thing that puts the most stress on my knee. I'm gonna just get a hack squat. You don't have to squat. You don't.

The ego wants you to squat, but I gotta think long term. Fuck the ego, dude. You know what I'm saying? I want to be doing backflips on stage and playing hockey when I'm 50s. The ego doesn't make you look better or function better, you know? It makes you crazy and cheating. It makes you weaker. Oh, ego's the worst.

It's poison. You gotta get rid of it. Exactly. The absence of ego. Now that I've talked about my fucking knee for the last 20 minutes. I love it. No, I mean, it's crazy. I'm pretty fast.

Right now, I'm still probably faster than 85% of hardcore showgoers. 85%. But the only thing I haven't done since I fucked up my knee is run at full speed. Yeah, because it scares me. There's no reason to do that. It scares me. But I'd be doing backflips, though. You know what I'm saying?

Well, that's just cool. That's a hard line. The cool factor. Yeah. Yes, I'm not willing to make my knee worse beating someone in a race that I know I'm going to win. I'm willing to destroy. my leg and get a prosthetic to hit a backflip at the end of

like an insane set. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? I only do it when it feels like I need to do it. I love that. It's the same for me because I think I could beat anyone in hardcore at Mario Kart. And I know you beat Vain. I did beat Vain. I listened to Joey's episode yesterday. I could beat any of them. And let me say this right, let me say this right now

real quick for the two of yous. Fuck in and out. Like that. Yeah, but I know you're like a chicken nugget eating motherfucker and you eat. I got taste brother. I'm an immigrant. I'm an immigrant. I got taste dog. What are you eating fucking a roast cone leche and shit? What do you got? What do you got? That's racist.

No. Yo, in and out, let me tell you something. The burgers are fine. The burgers are exceptional. The burgers are fine. The burgers are masterfully cooked every time. They're inexpensive. Shut up. No, no. No. No.

Show you my. The fries. You don't like potatoes then. Don't call it yon. You don't like potatoes. Colin W. If you don't, other way around,

close, but other way around. Yeah. If you don't like enough fries, you don't like potatoes. I think it's the purest fry in the world. No, those are best fries.

They're not awful. They're an abomination. They're not bad fries. It's up to you. Don't give me your bullshit, Beau. I don't want to hear. If you have to use the sauce,

it makes the fries. Portillo's fries? Perfect. Crinkle cut. I agree. The portillo's fries, mid, dude. I've never even had portillo's, and I'm with Bo on this one. Yeah. Six out of ten. Dude, Burger King fries are better than in and up.

Burger King fries are better than anything Gordon Ramsey has ever made. There we go. So don't use that as the metric. Okay. We're coming together again. Yeah. Wendy's fries, dude, when they switch to sea salt. Oh, unbelievable.

The Donald's fries are better. Tago bowl fries are better. I do my own research. Taco Bell? Taco Bell. Taco fries are better. Natural fries. Del Taco fries.

Del Taco fries are not better than a now. Come on, guys. It's not true. I just named like five places that they are better. You guys are brainwash. You guys are in a cult. In and out fries. No.

You're a sheep. FMC. You're a sheep. I'm not a sheep. I'm a wolf. I'm the wolf. I'm the wolf. What's your little to that?

when you're on the road I've been waiting my whole life to talk about this with you guys yeah all right let me say something let me say something

let me say something real quick I started listening to hard lore when I was on tour so it was very like you know what I'm saying perfect timing for me that's why we did it

why we did it really we did it for our brothers and arms this is for the touring this is for the bands listening go oh yeah

dude that's that's all I did for a month listen to you guys all right bow I'm like you I'm a night chime driver so I was it was beautiful myself and I'm a big podcast guy the rest of the band is not um so they said

shut that shit off put headphones on try not no fuck that I try not to punish them but they're up they're listening you know what I'm saying uh like the whole band I celebrate whoever's in your van it's nothing but it's like I'm a big body guy yeah huge body guy he big hairy guy living the word gets tossed around a lot the man is living legend oh I'm obsessed around a lot oh I'm obsessed for them. He really is. Wow. I love him. It really is. Sorry, I interrupted.

So, so what's, what's the fast food question that you're presenting me right now? It is the golden question. I think much like the golden arches, we have a golden question. You're driving on the highway. You see, you see one of those signs. It's got every, yeah, every sign, every place that exists that we know of. Yeah. What is the one that you're like, oh, my God, they got blank.

and you're pulling off. It's, I mean, it's not a really, it's not a hot take at all. It doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be. That's one that if I see that and I'm really in like, I'm so fucking hungry,

Chick-fil-A, I'll scream. We're all scream. I've done that before. Dude, but it depends. It's very relative to the situation because I would do that for McDonald's if it was the right time. Absolutely. You're saying?

You're in fucking Gary in the end. you're right you just get on the highway you're like I'm so fucking hungry we got to eat before we start driving and you see the arches are you kidding me over you know it's probably a good one too you know they're running that shit like it's the navy out there navy it's that stroke it's that struggle donalds that's exactly does does right have any any vegan vegetarians I was the old I was vegetarian for a little bit back in the day I were pulling up to fucking chick flannel I was eating the superfood salad like raisins and dirt dark dark but I will say this biggest strongest I ever been in my life was

a vegetarian. That's because I had an eating disorder and I was eating a lot of fucking food. Exactly. But that's what you had to do. Yeah, don't blame the diet. Blame the disorder. Dude, got off a plane in Philadelphia the other day and there's a chick-fil-A right at our gate.

So Casey and I went and we got lunch. Pepsi products? Paper straws. That's not a chick-fellate. Full offense. Yeah. Chick-fo-A-F-A-V-A-U-A-X. Nice. Chick-fil-A, you know, it's so hateful.

They're morals and all that. You want to talk about cancel. Yeah, Chick-fil-A is one of the best cancel things. Also, I'm going to come here and try to patent trademark something I've been saying for a long time. Chick-fil-A is not fast food. It's what I like to call accelerated cuisine. Ooh, like Chip-fil-A. Like Chip-fil-A. Chick-fil-A, Chip-Shack, Wingstop.

Yeah. Yeah, it's Boston Market. Ooh, Boston Market. I got one right there, dude. Literally where this thumb is pointed, there's a Boston market. You've got, that's like one of five in the country. Oh, I know. I got one near five.

And nobody goes there. There we go. See? People don't really like it. They don't get. Oh my God. I like real food. I'm not like a chicken tender type of guy.

I would always rather have a plate of like real food than fast food, right? So Boston market is perfect because it's like real food. It's real food in a convenient pace. Yes. So sure. Panera. used to be in that category, but Panera fucking sucks. It's trying.

Didn't pay me $1,000. Panera's fire. You know what else is fire? Fire. Would you say Subway? I love Subway. No, you don't. Yeah, I do. And Bo, I think your, was it your ex-girlfriend's parents getting you like $1,000 worth of $100? The funniest thing I've ever heard, dog.

Bless their hearts. If it was me? Oh, my God, bro. You'd be hugging him and crying. I'm like, Oprah just gave you a car, right? Fuck with Subway. It's real food. It's not, though. It's not.

I'm trying to eat. I'm trying to eat. I'm trying to eat a cucumber every now and then on tour, dog. It's not a real cucumber. Fuck you. Yes, it is. The bread, the bread cannot, would, could, for a while could not legally be considered bread.

You care. You're like, give me that. You eat the pink slime chicken nuggets. What do you talk about? I, no, those, I don't think they do the pink slime anymore. No, they never did. That was from a movie. They never did.

You guys are going to get into high horse of quality of fast food Absolutely. You know how we eat? Yeah, but the gimmick is eat fresh. It's fresher than a lot of the other shit. It's not, though. I work there.

It's all frozen. Nothing fresh. That's how you keep shit fresh. No, but that's why in and out is amazing. Yeah, nothing is first. You guys are dumb, man. No, no, no. We're operating on a higher plane.

I have, I have quite literally, while hungry, not eaten instead of just like getting chips from Subway Just take a nap instead Eat the cookies

Get the cookie instead of the sandwich The cookies are fucking good When I work there I would make super cookies And just like Mm They're good For everyone that's wondering

All my subway lovers out there My order is a Sweet onion terriaki Extra meat No onions onions onions are despicable I'm with you there And I get three chocolate chip

cookies along with that Three? Wow God bless your metabolism, huh? It's working. It's working. Stand up for me. I'm not a big sweets.

I'm not a big sweets guy, but I like brownie. Say what? Stand up. No. Let's see what you're working with it. Okay. All right. There's the beef.

I'm telling you. Regulate. Strong bunch. Strongest band. Pound for pound. That's the important part. James is obviously the guy. He's been the guy for like a decade plus.

But he's also not very tall. I fuck with that. So like pound for pound, like it applies. But whereas like bitter end, they're all huge and huge. I seen better end only a couple times. I remember they played the F. YA we played in the July court. And I remember looking at them being like, oh shit.

Yeah. For a time, King Nine, they were the Monstars. Yes. Dude. Dude. Yeah. That is actually very true. Dan Sealy is one of the people who, him and Jamie Morgan,

every time I see them, they've grown a quarter of an age. The man's shoulders grow. Dude. He has like movie body. Yeah. Like actual like Henry Cavill body. Yes. If he just dedicated.

That's my OG. Respect to Billy Club Dan. Man, I love that. I love that. I was just talking. It's funny that you brought up my ex-girlfriend because I was just talking to her about him yesterday.

Just about how much I love him. Respect. Dan, if you're listening, go fuck yourself. Go to hell. That's right. He would expect me. He would hope for nothing less.

come out. You taught me well. You know what I'm saying? I do it. Hey, fuck you. Hey. Hey. Fuck you. You know. Shit, man. What's next for a regular? How's this record going? I'm glad you asked. People loving it? I think so. It's hard to tell. I tell you. I tell you I am. I appreciate that. As someone who is, I've been a fan of your music for a long time, getting it back. It means a lot to me. I gave you the live review, man. I know. That was dope. I appreciate that. I needed to tell you my real thoughts in real time.

I've listened to it many times. I've texted you listening while I've been listening to twitching tongues and talking to you about switching tons. So it's only it's what's only I owed you. I owed you for sure. It was owed. I've mostered your band a lot of times. So, you know. You have.

Trickle down. You're owed, man. Trickle down. You will get yours, you know. Trickle down, spin, kickinomics. That's right. So true. So true.

When we were in Europe at the same. time was that had you been there before yeah we uh the first time we did europe was a blind justice we did three weeks in 2017 so the 19 was our second time we were on there for like 11 12 days yeah just regulate and then we did a couple of shows where hang man and tread the eyes yeah that's year and that time was a lot better dude the band that three weeks that first three weeks was rough bro yeah um tell us more Much like how Joey said the first time he went to Europe, it like checked all the boxes. When we went, it was like many mad boxes were checked.

You know what I'm saying? Boxes you ain't even heard of. Checking in the boxes. Yeah, dude. And it started, it started strong. CMB, dude. PMV. Kings at boxes.

You know what I'm saying? It started strong. We flew into Amsterdam. We had a day off. Amsterdam crazy. By justice regulate like eight crazy guys.

Bad boys. And we're all straight as all straight as except for one too. So, you know, as you guys know, a lot of times like the most wacky,

zany guys are the edge guys. You know what I'm saying? So we had a great time in Amsterdam. Other than Zane and whack. Exactly. You know? Right. I'm saying,

deltoids. We got deltoids over here. We really do. You guys, I don't know if this is uncosher to talk about. So I'll put myself out there for the first time we went to Europe and a few times afterwards. We visited various red light districts because they exist out there.

And even as like a thing to see, it's like fucking wild. It's crazy. It's crazy. But it's like a good thing, I think on paper they say, because it's people are protected. It's, you know, they're tested. They're getting money. And like all. But then I've also heard that it's like sometimes there's some trafficking.

It seems scary, yeah. Seems scary. Yeah, for sure. I've seen taken, you know what I mean? I mean, something like that, there's no way it's going to be a hundred percent chill. You know what I'm saying? But as far as I know, the well-known districts, the government regulates them. He said it.

When we were in Amsterdam, we definitely walked through and it was crazy to see. Yeah, because that's like the biggest one, I think, like the most. Yeah. Have we ever talked about red lighters or something? We've not. Because it's kind of like there's a stigma, for sure. There is the same way. That would,

but this reminds me of an Andrew Morrissey quote. Okay. That have I, I don't know, have I ever said this one on the show? I, I'm at the edge of my son. I don't think so.

In the Netherlands. He denies this. Yeah. Okay. He denies this. Just so, just so we're clear. Andrew,

for the record, we'll hear this and say, I didn't do that. I will say, yes, you did. I was there. Asked a local Dutch person. Hey,

I don't know how you say this in Danish. but uh red light district Danish, dude. Have, visited various ones in different countries, have not partaken. It kind of weirds me out a little bit. Not for me at all. It's scary. Yeah, it's scary and it's very like

what's actually going to happen? Like, I've also seen hostile. You know what I mean? Like, what's actually going to happen? Go. I don't know. Love that movie. Yeah. But, uh, but they're out there. But yeah, I was just curious.

if on your first day, first time in Europe, check out the most famous red light. Check out the windows. Yeah, the windows. Yeah, we walked through. Body did the thing that he really likes to do, which is let his phone die or just turn it off and leave us. He likes to get lost.

He's really into just surviving in different ways. We didn't see him until the morning. At one point, he just left on a bike. We were staying in a hostel as one does in Europe. And there was just, I didn't really know how they worked. but I woke up when there was this other Eastern European men in the room with us that weren't there before. So that was crazy. Do you leave all your stuff in there?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the shows in that tour were pretty good. Better than they should have been for our first European tour. You know what I'm saying?

And we had a great time. But, like, I was also going crazy, dude. like the food awful. Excuse me. McDonald's. McDonald's in Europe is maybe the most delicious thing of all time. The most high, dude. Yeah, it's.

Praise B. All praise. Oh my God. It's very good. But you know what sucks is like, especially now, at least the last time we were there, like, there's no like combo meals. What?

Like everything's like a la carte now. Yeah. At this point. I was there this summer. I'll pay whatever. they want. I don't get a... Because you know why?

Dude, the dollar right now? Yeah, true. Murdering. True. We're finally over the Europe. Oh, fuck. We're going back. I don't really know how that works,

but that's... Dude, Seb, when I first went to Europe, the euro was almost twice the dollar. The pound was twice. The pound was... Wow. The pound was like 2.2.

That's crazy. And now I think it's like the pound is, what, 1.4? It's closer to what the euro had been for a long time. And the dollar is over. the fucking Europe. Dude, that's crazy. I gotta go back.

Yeah. I haven't even thought about that. Yeah. I was there this past summer and it was awesome. Dude, they got wing stop in Europe now. That's fire. We got wing stop in Brooklyn now too. That's huge, actually.

I remember an era where nobody on the East Coast had eaten it because it's like you can go to any bar and get wings. It's like noodles and company out your way. Duncan, Duncan just showed up here. Dude, that's another one. noodles and company. Accelerated. That's the californic cuisine for sure.

For sure. I love accelerated cuisine. Yeah, that's a real, I really like that. Take that and run. Let the people know. Hey, done. That's me. We'll give you, we'll give you 3% of the shirt.

That's some resage. Cool. Thank you. So you did an, let me say, let me ask you this. What? The month, the months are like January to March 2020. Regulate does a world tour. That's right.

Like a world tour. Oh, no shit. You guys got back from Asia like March 14th, 2020. The aides of March. Let me kick it to you. We left February 3rd, I think. We flew to Taiwan, had a layover there. I'm like, it was a pretty crazy time to be in Asia, what I'm seeing on the news, whatever.

And we did some shows in Japan, South Korea, Southeast Asia, Australia, New Zealand. How were they? Give me some details. It was, dude, it is incredible. We played Tokyo twice. Incredible, dog. We played every show in Southeast Asia was like a fucking, I felt like fucking half heart at those shows.

It was in. Really? People folk are regularly heavy out there. Let me ask you this, because I've never been. Go ahead. Monetarily, is it kind of just like the trip is paid for and you understand that you're kind of. coming home with no I think so yeah it's not it's not something you do to like I mean regulate

his net we just never made money we in a real way sure but that was that was one where it's like we're gonna cover your flights just do you're we're gonna get you there and we're gonna you're gonna sleep in a bed and that's it and that's all I could want from a tour like that you know what I'm saying sure that's all I can realistically expect you know you look at it as like a a very dope paid for vacation where you You're obligated to do one thing for like a few hours a day. Yep. And I'll take travel kind of brutally.

Oh, yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. How about the, did you play Bangkok? Yeah. Traffic in Bangkok. Yeah, it's unreal. But we're the only worse.

I like that you guys said in the last episode with Joey. Yeah, besides Long Island. Long Island, Bangkok. That's awesome. It's unreal Long Island. Manila in the Philippines is unreal. It's like some shit You've seen the beginning of a movie

Where like some rogue American is in a different country And then Chris Tucker shows up And he's like, hey Exactly What just happened man? Miller is crazy Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But those shows are dope. Japan is an unreal place. They have it all figured out there. The best place ever. Best place literally on earth. I'm a big statistics guy. I looked up the amount of tourism of Japanese people

who live in Japan they have one out of like the world biggest powers whatever in the world Japan has like the least outwards tourism and it's because they got it all figured out why the fuck would go in there I have that You ever been to a fucking rest stop in Japan? It's like the White House

Are you kidding me? Family Mart It's crazy dude You've been to a bathroom at a Japanese rest stop Absolutely I would never been cleaner I would live inside of one Absolutely. They got a big job.

The like the Evangelian gas station. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. Just a themed. There's a Gundam truck stop where it's just like, there's a store of like shit you can only get at that.

Everything is just cool there. So cool. They're cool. And then on top of that, Japanese hardcore and all the people and everything that comes along with that is also just incredible. Best. Did you work with Koba when you were there? He did.

All the OGs. All the OGs. Love Kobe. They brought us the amazing food places. One of the best meals anyone in Regulate has ever had. They were all attested to this was in Tokyo. We had an off day. And we were with Tomé and Jiri and I think a couple other people.

And Tomé, he took a still Korean barbecue place. And he said, you guys don't order. In Japan. Korean barbecue in Tokyo. He said, you guys don't worry about ordering food. I got this. He ordered everything for both tables. it was unreal, dude.

I have dreams about that fucking shit. I'm so, man. Yeah, I'm star. Dude, the other thing, too, that we've never really talked about is, like, in Japan, there's no trash cans anywhere. Yeah. But there's also no litter anywhere. Because everyone gives a shit and carries their own trash and takes it home.

In the fucking pocket. Are you kidding me? You walk around and it's quiet. People are like respectful. People are like giving way on the sidewalk to older people. people. It's just like such a... Benning machines on every corner.

Bro, you just want tea? I got you. It's there. It's hot and ready. You want it hot? Yeah. No problem. Let me...

One thing, like a big, like, cultural thing that I noticed in Japan, that is not something I'm used to, is jaywalking. As someone that's grown up in New York. Yeah. Someone that spent half his life living in Brooklyn. You know what I'm saying? Same here. You jaywalk.

I mean, a lot of people in any big city in America, jaywalk all the time. Jwalk all the time. It's a sport. You know what I'm saying? We're professional J-Walkers. You don't do that shit in Japan. We did it one time. We did it one time and the people were like,

and I will never do it again, bro. You saw that look and you were scarred? Yeah, I felt bad. I was like, and the last thing I ever want to do. I'm a bad person. It's a disgrace, though. The last thing I ever want to do in any foreign country is be those Americans.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, dude. It's really the last thing. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to be Logan Paul, you know? Yeah. There was a day on some tour where I was with I was with Risenfall, like the whole day and weren't around any,

and like Risenfall were speaking Flemish or whatever, Belgian, I forget which language they actually speak. Danish. Yeah, Danish. And we went to a restop, blah, blah, blah. And there were like two Americans who were just like, yeah, what's going on, man? And I just remember feeling like, oh, like it was so jarring. Dude.

I was like, oh, I can't be like that. There's almost nothing worse than running into Americans in a foreign country. We hate it, dude. I hate you. Fuck away from me. Don't talk to out of here. Dude, the show, we had a show in, like, in Budapest this summer. And just some bros from, they were going to, like, they're like NYU kids and they were just visiting Europe.

And they're like, they were at the bar that was in the venue. So after the show, they're walking around. They're talking to us. So you guys from New York? Yeah, what kind of music? You guys on spot? No, we're just in Budapest, but we're not on Spotify. Shut up.

Yeah, yeah. I hate Americans anywhere else. It sucks. Yeah, we're pretty. Yeah, we're playing covers in Budapest. Yeah, that's how we got here. Idiot. Fucking idiots.

You're right, man. Japan is dope. I'm going back in January. Oh, yeah? Yeah, we're doing another, regulate, no pressure. We're doing the same thing. Oh, that's going to be insane.

Japan, Southeast Asia, Australia. Yeah, that's going to be unbelievable. Dude. Run into back. Wow. I'm very envious. I want to go back to your beginning, the beginning of this conversation, Colin.

We did that tour. Yeah, we got back in March. When we got off the plane in Australia. from the Philippines. I looked at Twitter, NHL season and NBA over. I'm like,

this shit is fucking real back home. Oh my God. That's crazy. It'll probably last in the point. I got sick the second day in Japan, but it's because I wore a hoodie and it was brick. It was like 40 degrees. But I had every symptom of COVID,

excuse me, at different parts. So I had some weird strain, I think, off the rip. I was like, fucked up sick. you know when we flew to New Zealand from Australia I woke up

I thought it was gonna die I had like 103 fever I was I was like a fucking corpse so you spread it you literally regulate like helped hell yeah you know what I'm saying

but I haven't got on God we help spread that I've still never had a positive test either but I'm starting to I'm starting to think that like I definitely had it at one point and I have like long COVID now. My long capacity is zero. Oh, that sucks, man. Mine is fucking incredible.

Mine's really good too. I could breathe all day. I could breathe all day. Yeah. I'll be breathing. I'd be breathing straight up. You don't even see me. I'm breathing right now.

But then I start thinking about it. We got back and the world was just a different place. Different. Yeah. Different place. Personally, for me, I was in a relationship that ended like the same day the world was a different place. And I was like, what the fuck do I do now?

Whoa. So it was just crazy. And then I taught myself how to do a backflip and things were just on the ups after that. There you go. Silver lining. It only goes up from there once you can do that, bust that out in various places. And I remain saying that Regulate was the last hardcore band in the world post pandemic. We played a show in New Zealand on like March 14th.

So I think I think rotting out played a show no March 13th but that's 13 but that was also that was here that was in LA dude yeah that was that was in a man and I remember thinking like who the fuck would go to this that's crazy and I definitely remember like two days later people being like I'm so sick yeah the last I think I think we went and saw sanction play at the cober lounge on the 14th yeah I don't believe it I don't believe it. Seb was the last one. Well,

last one in, in fucking, yeah, a foreign country. I was on tour in New Zealand. I know Turnstile was in Europe. Yes. We were about to go to Europe.

They all had it in Europe. Yeah, and they, yeah. So we're all around the same time. Oh, was there ever, was there ever indication that you like might not get back in?

Yeah. Cross. You're going to have to go to intense quarantine. All the Asian countries, It was pretty crazy once you got off the plane. But when we got, yo, I thought when we got to LAX,

because we had to, you know, lay over there before we got to do. Of course. I thought it was going to be like, they're going to look at our passports and be like, you've been in Asia for six weeks. Yeah.

You're not. We're sending your ass back. Yeah. Yo, it was the most chill process of any of the flights that we took of like the 13 flights. He was like, okay, stamp, whatever you.

And you got, it's TSA, you know. whoever it was, I don't fucking know. Yeah, they're probably just like, okay. You didn't get like fuck. No. I get to go home in three hours.

All the other countries have like infrared shit. Like a big screen infrared, like it looked like a fucking vein t-shirt. It was weird. They were like, it was like for body temperature. Like they were scanning as you walk by. Whoa. They already had that ripping. What movie is that like?

Is that total recall or is it the sixth day where they walk by a x-ray machine? That's 21 Jump Street. you're thinking about. Oh, that's what the original with Johnny Dunn. That's a minority report shit, straight up, too. Yeah. Great movie.

Yeah. Spielberg, you fuck with him? Oh, dude, I love. You went to film school, said. We haven't even talked about that. Did you really? Yeah, I did four years at SVA. He did four years at SVA.

He watched Back to the Future for the first time like two years ago. Did not have been incorrect. I've never even seen it. Stupid. Wow. Okay, so you saw Forrest Gump for the first time, like two years ago.

right? I saw that when I was a kid, but I don't like it. It's proper, it's American proper. It's American. Yeah, I know, but like the dopest one. You know what movie is dope? Classic, Mrs. Doubtfire. I saw that Ronnie in the day. The scene where he's got to be Ms. Dalfire and hit like the dinner scene. Yeah. Yeah. That's cinema right there, dog. Yeah, that's crazy. There's an Uncle Mike in that movie too. I'm just saying. I'm telling you, if you don't have an Uncle Mike, turn this off and do something about it. Yeah, fuck off. Here's the funny thing about me being in film school. Colin, you were in one of my school projects. God's hate when you guys are playing. Was it God's hate who played the No Warning shows? Twitching Tongues played one. At the shore. And you guys stayed at the house that Dan, Aaron, J. Cox lived in.

That was the best. That was the best. I had to film something for college and all you guys ran it. And then we use all my gear so you can make a vine. That's right. In your vine era. Which one? That was peak vine. That was where, uh, you were like it was the idea was like you're making a vine and then it's like right cut

and then it's like a boom yeah yeah you were the boom operator yeah yeah uh dan was my assistant he was like jake kock's like patting your head or some shit like yeah yeah i have my whole squad like like a meta vine yeah my whole you know a lot goes into all of these it's so fucked up that that we can't access vine in anyway that it's it's i think it's coming but i think elon's bringing it back. Genuinely. Really? I think that I think it's coming back.

Why? Why not? Why? Because it didn't make any money. It was part of Twitter though. And it's like Twitter owns Vine and everything associated with. Dude, if we could even just get the archives.

Give me that. That would be huge. Huge. I don't think mine exist anywhere. So that one is gone. Oh, by the way, I ordered another fucking thing off TikTok, dude. It's ruined my life.

I ordered an apartment cleaning. Huh? Four hours for 20 bucks. I got a deal. That's two. That's slave labor. Something that's slavery now. Something bad is going to happen.

It was abolished, Bo. I got a voucher. $20? That's not. That $5 an hour? Yeah. They can go to the movies by themselves after they clean your fucking apartment. You're a real piece of shit for that one.

That's no surprise to anyone listening to this show. Bo, I like that you hate mayonnaise. I fucking hate mayonnaise, dude. Creamy white substance. I don't fuck with mayonnaise either. I like all of them. The creamiest, whitest stuff, those are some of my favorite things. Hey, yo.

That's right. Settled down. Sower cream? Huh? Nah. No sour cream is dumb, bro. Ranch? Ranch.

Ranch? If ranch is available to me, because Mike Body likes ranch, when we're eating pizza, he'll dip a little, you know what I'm saying? A little crust. I'll fuck around with a little crust in the ranch. Blue cheese? Oh, yeah. I'm from the Buffalo wing in the blue cheese.

See? He won't do that. You lost me. Wait, something happened to you. I forget the story, but I know something happened. He's fucking ass by a bottle of ranch, dude. It is not an ejaculate thing. I don't believe.

You were pulled by ranch aliens. I had a babysitter who fed me cottage cheese with every meal for years. You would have. I mean, that, but like. I'm 31. That's disgusting. Yeah, that's awful. That's terrible.

Yeah, but Colin, you think you think you got smacked into a shark and you won't go into the ocean. No, no, no, no. You don't like onions. And onions are in everything. I like the essence of onion. I don't like biting an onion. onions are gross. But do you like the McDonald's onions?

No. No, those are the good ones. You would like them. I like the McRib onions, the like sliced ones. You're a pervert. The McRib onions are the quarter pounder onions. Oh, is that so? Okay.

I can't believe you guys know this shit. No, what's shit? Use your mouth. Here, okay, I listen to the show a lot. I'm a big, I'm the biggest hard lore fan who's been on hardlore. And the way, the insight and like the behind, maybe it's not behind the scenes knowledge you guys have about fast food is so crazy to be. I do motherfuckers know the onions that they use. Yeah, yeah.

To be fair, I did not know that. That was definitely common. But it's just all we got. It's all I got. That's true. It's the only thing we all have in common is that we have to eat while we're torn. Do you guys eat like normal human beings in your home? Yeah, I do.

I have the same chicken terriaki bowl every single day. No, but I fuck with that. You're big, though. You're trying to get big. You got to eat like that. It's like two pounds of chicken, a pound of rice and a whole. Shout out. That sounds awesome.

Island pokey. That's my local spot. Golden Bowl is mine. I've never gone in there. I've only DoorDashed yet. I'm like the Duke of Golden Bowl on DoorDash or something. So shout out to Golden Bowl. Bad Nyes, if you're listening.

I love it. I like, I like pokey quite a bit, but I like to cook. So I tend to cook a lot. I don't. I got a nice kitchen. I make a burger maybe two each day. I'll tell you the contents. It's a Bubbers burger.

I think that's like 19 or 21 grams of protein. So it's a no-brainer. Regular potato bun, pepper jack cheese. Potato bun, the martins? Yeah. The goat. The best bun to ever exist. You know it.

You know it. A goat. Polynesian chick flay sauce. Ooh. Really? In the bowl, you get the, you buy the bottle from a little one. A little baby one. Stop and chop or something?

I'm not, I'm not a big, like, sauce guy. You know what I'm saying? So just a little bit. It's a little bit. You're not a big sauce guy, Bo? No. Oh, yeah, Martins are good. I just looked him up.

I looked him up and I recognized the logo. No, I don't like sauce that much. I get stuff with that. I do take umbrage. Take Morris umbridge with you, Bo. Sweet potato fries on the side. The Trader Joe's sweep potato fries? I get them from Target.

Dude, get the Trader Joe's ones. I'll do that next time. Holy shit. One, is it sunny side when the yoke is like just kind of chilling on the egg. That's sunny side up. I do with one of those on the burger. So you don't flip? No, no flip. Because if you flip, that's over easy.

Easy. Whatever. I put one of those on the burger. I cut up. I take an avocado. Half of it, I kind of smush up. I put on the burger. The other half I just eat and then have another egg. You do this twice a day? Sometimes twice when I'm feeling freaky, usually once after the jam or hockey. What do you, how you cook in the burger? With heat. Cast iron No, no, no, yeah

to skill it on a grill Yeah, like a little pan thing George Foreman Okay George Foreman, that'd be fucking Dude, George Foreman is no joke He's a genius Is a genius?

That shit works the world Perfectly Is it real that he named All his kids George? Yes, they're all named George Foreman God bless you know who got the call For the George Foreman grill

Before George Foreman But his agent said no Who? The guy from Hulk Hogan Wow No fucking way what an idiot bag fumbled

like the bag of a lifetime how much money is the foreman grill mate a lot you know what's made more though the Madden football games John Madden they're like we could pay you out a lump sum right now that's it or you could get like back end or whatever

he's like I'll just take the money now when it's no yeah so he as far as I know John Madden may rest in peace he's never seen a dime of like real mad in NFL. You know who took the back end? EA? Tony Hawk.

Really? Oh yeah, that's right. No, pay me, pay me per game. I saw that thing and he was at like a dinner with his manager who just like gave him a check for like

$8 million, like the first one. He knew. He believed that's the thing. He believed in the game. And it just kept getting bigger every time. Dude, thug? Dude, the soundtrack alone

The part of American culture Yeah, absolutely I bet if you pulled like a thousand hardcore kids A lot of them would be like Yeah, I heard my first punk song Hardcore song on a Yeah, I heard 25 to Life And the Tony Hawk soundtrack

I play hockey with one of the The guy that started 25 to life My boy Frank Oh Rick Gloria Queens, yeah Did you write any of those songs I'm like keeping it real? The original, no, the original shit

He was out at like the down but he started the band. Wow. Yeah. It's a crazy thing to be like, this defines me. Since 1994, it is believed to have made George Foreman

$200 million. That's what's up. George fucking Foreman. Good for him. Good for you. And the first thing that was on that search was Hulk Hogan. Hul Cogan?

Is George Forman still alive? Yeah. Is it? Okay. I don't actually know. He has to be. I need him to be alive. I don't want to learn this mid-episode.

Do you? I hope he's still alive. Damn it. You hoped. What you said? Just because it would have made you feel away. I wanted him to be dead. It would have felt like me learning Bob Sagitt died in the middle of the gods hate set.

Dude. I was mid-set, though. Let me show you this. It broke while we were. I know. I know. I saw it. Hey, let me be the first.

Look at the rest of peace. Take off. Oh, absolutely. Legend, dude. George Foreman dead, 2022. On Monday, October 31st, the box's reps officially confirmed that George Forman is not dead. Holy shit. This is what I saw.

I was like, what the fuck? Dude, imagine George Foreman died yesterday. And then we did this. The Bob Sag of things brutal. The takeoff thing is also so fucking stupid. Crazy. I don't know if it's true, but I read it was over. Like the way he died.

$28. What do you mean? That sounds like That was the bet at the moment. That sounds like malarkey. Bob's... Oh, you're talking about the takeoff. Yeah.

I was like Bob Saggett. He was throwing dice in Houston. Yeah. We don't want to get killed for this podcast, Beau. It's on like TMZ or whatever. TMZ said $28. I mean, I didn't read it. I read it on the internet.

You know what I mean? I didn't read it from like I don't know. Someone told him. Migo's true modern gods of music. For real. Real. Legends.

I love them. I met takeoff in Cuevo once. Offset was in jail, but they went to the Roosevelt Field Mall for an appearance at Tilly's. Oh, dude, Tilly's. Fuck you. I worked there for three weeks. Nice. And then I left, as we all do, to play a show.

Probably not even a tour, just a show, you know? Yeah. I got to quit. I got a show. and the guy who hired me really like to regulate he was he's kind of like a hardcore guy older guy oh and I was just in there one day looking for pants I guess and he was like dude if you ever just won a job like I got you bro I'm like okay and I didn't I hated it dude yeah yeah I did it three weeks retail have you have you worked retail well oh H&M

H&M I never I never worked at a store at HNM oh wow I worked at the office but I ever talked about the retail that I worked at GameStop. That was my original. Oh, that's a dope retail job. In a mall, though. It was brutal. They're all in malls, except for the ones that aren't. Right.

I worked at a little place called Urban Outfitter's brother. Did you really? What era? That's very hardcore guy of you. Isn't it? What are you doing? Nine? 2009?

That was when it was still like kind of a good story. Oh, it was like it was popping 25. Yeah. Nine. Wow. Yeah, and actually two more. One more than gridiron. It humbles you, man.

Working in food and retail, if you don't... I really think that, like, serving in the military in some countries, like everyone should either work behind a counter at a food place or fucking retail. Like, everyone compulsory one year of your life, you should do that. Retail is rough, man. I'll never, like, a waiter could take my food and throw it on the ground. He's getting... I'm still going to get...

I'm still going to fucking tip them. Like, I don't. Minimum 20. Got to. Let me ask you guys a question real quick. How do you feel about bands taking a percentage of the merch guy's tips? This is a hot topic. Is it?

Yeah. I think, I understand why. Here's the thing about this argument is I used to, I'm always going to side with the person doing the actual work no matter what. Like in the moment, the guy who's fucking dealing with these people at shows, or like on a big festival tour or something, the person who's doing it, I think, deserves the tip. However...

I agree. But if you're making more than the band... If you're making more than the individuals in the band, so like split five ways, because that's the thing, or whatever the split is, that's problematic. Also, the best argument I've heard is when someone is tipping, are they tipping the merch person? That is the question.

Or are they tipping the band? That is the question. I would not feel comfortable taking the tip. That's the answer. That's my feeling. I wouldn't do it. I get why somebody would. Why is it problematic from the merch guy to make more than the band?

Because the band is putting in much more of an investment. If the tour tanks, they tank. The band most likely is invested in the equipment, the van. They're paying a manager. the merch guy isn't paying on a manager or a booking agent. There's no risk. There's no risk for a merch guy to take this job. Right.

You know, other than like you lose some time. Bro, I can't fucking deliver pieces back home if I don't do this story. There's a risk. What percentage do you think is fair for the band to take from the merch guy? I mean, honestly, I could tell you this. At one point, offered like, the, the inverse, like, hey, if you can sneak to their merch guy, if you could sneak a merch in to negate the merch cut

that the venue is going to take, we will give you more of a percentage. Like, we'll give you a bonus. Right on. Because at a certain point, like big bands that are selling out multiple thousand person venues, like, I assume all take percentage from the tip. I don't think they do.

It's not, no, they don't. But they don't need it. That's the thing. That's true. A lot of times a hardcore band fucking needs it. It's relative. But at that point, if you need it, do merch yourself. That's what I'm saying.

Which we do. Harmsway still does. James does it. James is a trooper. Brody's a trooper. Brody does it himself. So I don't, so to answer your question, I don't know if I have a percentage that I think is fair. Because I don't think it's fair.

but I understand. I wouldn't do it, but I get it. That's my, that's my, the percentage, that's tough to say. I just think like a lot of time you're getting tipped more than the guarantee of the show. And that's put it this way. The merch that the merch guy is selling, he is not contributing to the merch debt that the band has to pay off. Yeah, I mean, if it, it would be very obscure, though, for a merch guy to make a lot, tips and the band not doing well themselves.

Those things don't mind. Let me tell you about a little thing called Warp Tour, brother. Because that is, that is like, it does happen. Yeah. It for sure happens. And we're not defending what you're talking about. You hate merch guys. I understand that.

No, I love it. But, you know, Hard Lord exclusive. No, no. Anti-work guy. No, we, I think, I think Gabe the Pigeon did God's hate merch for the two record release shows just because we, just like couldn't do it at those.

And he, I think he, he probably made more than I did that weekend and I'm fine with that because he worked hard. You know? Right on. They work hard. It's hard work. I just, no argument there. I haven't talked, I didn't brought this out. I, for some,

so Mac Miller, friend of the show. You know Mac Miller? Yes, the different, the other one. He's like pro-merch guy. And asked me, if I would help him do merch for acceptance and Anne Berlin last week. Two bands I'd never heard. So I did that.

And it was like, it was like five hours like nonstop. And I think I earned them tips, all right? Sure. And if the band said, I want part of that, what did you say? Did you count it in and shit?

Not at that venue, which was nice. There was no cut. There's none of that. We counted everything just so that we knew we had, of course. because it was like a one-off. But I think if either band wanted a cut of that, I would have been bummed.

So there is a... I think you're on to something. There's a genre of merch guy that is within a certain world that legitimately make more than the bands by the end of tours. And it's not very close to what we do, but it,

It, like, is real. And I think because of the kind of crossover and melding of genres, I think that's how this conversation kind of came up. Because I had never even thought about it before. Like, it's, the concept is crazy, you know. And it wasn't until I was really kind of talking about it, where I, like, began to understand the other side of that coin. But it's still, the merch guy is at a show.

for five hours, dealing with people doing whatever, and you're like, you went to the gym, you went an eight, you're working out, or you're chilling backstage, whatever. Yeah, that's, probably shouldn't touch their tip money because they're sitting there. Totally.

Yeah. Boy. What do you think, Sam? I think that 50-50? No. As someone who's done merch for friends, and someone who does merch now for a band.

I'm definitely not making more than the band, but I'm also not doing very hard work. We have like a few boxes, and people tip me, and sometimes they don't. And I walk away from it being like, that's fire, that's dope. I made a good amount of money today. Dude, I'm also just not doing,

yo, honestly, and I'm going to say this, for real, I would, unless you somehow went above and beyond, I don't know how you could, from behind a merch table, I'm not gonna tip you. So you, okay, so this is the thing. I will do it. I will tip you the maximum amount

that you put on that iPad in front of my face, just because that's where I am post-COVID, you know? I'm brainwashing that world where when I see the iPad, I'm gonna tip for something I ain't never known I had to tip for before. I'm not hitting that percentage, because I know what motherfuckers do with those percentages. You look at quick and you hit that 25.

I hit it. If I got a couple singles in the wallet, I'll throw it in the box. You know what I'm saying? But some of the tips people are dropping is really crazy. 20% of like every item. Well, no, it's the keep the change kind of shit where it's like a shirt's 25 bucks. Here's 40. Don't worry about it.

That, yeah, that's psycho. I mean, you don't have to do that. I wish I had it like that. Hey, if I had it like that, maybe if I was in a different tax bracket, you know what I'm saying? I would be tipping every merch guy. But at the same time. But at the same time. Good for you.

Really? No thinking. And it's just because it's just because COVID has wrecked me. I do the same thing at the fucking coffee shop. I mean, yeah, I do coffee every day and I tip the same amount every single day. Yeah, yeah. I'll do that. I'll do that.

I think it's because when I was doing merch for acceptance in Berlin, the meanest motherfuckers I talk to hit Max tip every time. And the people that were like, just buttering me up, buttering my biscuits up. No tip, smile, walk away. Talksuckers. Like, thank you so much. No tip. It's crazy Fuck them

I wouldn't I'm not a I don't I don't tip I could never be caught Not tipping when tipping is an option You could never recover Put a lot of time in the game I understand

But I also understand Someone not tipping a merch guy I get it But if I'm the merch guy You have to tip me That's same for me I'm looking at the camera Same percent

If you see me behind the table And you're asking If we have it in a different color motherfucker Why would it be in a different color? You don't think it'd be on the table? Exactly. I want to ask me that dumb shit.

Thank you. And then tip me, bitch. Exactly. Well said. So it's November 1st. What do you have between now and when you're going back? Our record release, November 27th, TVI and Ridgewood, Queens, New York, with Wildside, Fleshwater, and Never Again from Perth, Amboy, New Jersey. And then December 10th, we go to Bogota, Columbia, my motherland.

play a show, play a fest, two-day fest. Carlos from Rob Brigade put together. He got like, he has like eight U.S. bands, like eight legit U.S. hardcore bands who are doing is strictly because they want to play a dope-ass show in Columbia, not because they're going to sell a bunch of merch or because they're going to come back with a lot of money. If anything, everybody's losing money.

Yeah. But it's the fact that you get to play, I think truly a never-before-done thing in Columbia because it's a bunch of American bands, Colombian bands and other bands from Central America, South America, Mexico and it wasn't put on by some big promoter, it was put on by a hardcore kid. You know what I'm saying?

That's huge. That's massive. Yeah, we got that Australia, Asia thing with no pressure. And then maybe there's a tour in the works, I think, for the springtime. Beautiful. All-U.S. tour. So you got a light fall winter before you're big?

Yeah, maybe. Body work. It looks like a legit job and he works on the road a lot, but he can only do so much. Computer scientist. Yeah, my boy, it's like, he's up there. He's all day. He's clocked in on tour. It's very impressive.

We did a full month of vein in candy and he was every day taking meetings. Yo guys, 30 minutes, no music, no talking. We got to respect that for our boy. He's got to make his money, you know? I think if the JavaScript, just, if you just punch that up to, I don't even know what the fuck he's saying, but it's crazy. like you guys saw that picture of body diving to gulch where he's over elliott's head full on jeff hardy swaned tom bomb yeah right it's like one it's like exactly yeah and then i posted that and then i posted a picture

i took at the airport the next day of him like big studious and it's like that's it man the duality of man that's it that's the life that we live in that's how the three was got here to this moment right now the duality We're doing that right now. Right now. I'm a fucking tech genius. And that's why this show can exist. Right.

I'll hit a die. Yeah, man. That's it. That's all we have. At the end of the day, all you have is your name and your body. You got to die. That's right.

Amen. A man must die. Well. Right. Except before we go, do you believe in ghosts? 100%. But I will say on the episode,

you guys are talking about ghosts. You said that you think ghosts or paranormal things are just like energies that do something that you said that and you really you were spitting for real which I know it sounds like you're like I'm like splitting hairs

you are but no what you said is like it's not fucking Casper is what I'm saying yeah but those spirits and energies make Casper that's how he was made but I don't think after that he's Devon Sawa but I've gone on his Pixar

talent you're like you're like you're kind of like um you're kind of like just like a fun guy so you really want ghost like oh-oh-bo is like it's energies and stuff I like we're probably ghosts to them

it's like the same fucking shit it's just two different things trying to communicate an interface that can't I agree I don't like when people are like it's an evil energy it's like they don't even know what the fuck you are they do I mean they could have been a rapist or something

who's turn of energy thing is real but they're not they're not Mel, Mel, Melifis, Mel. Almost. They're not that because of you. They're not Maleficent. They're not Malifficent.

They're not Malifficent. It's not what they are. But they're not that because of you is what I'm saying. It's their own shit. If whatever they are. Fair. Yeah. But I do believe in ghosts, for sure.

You ever see one? I was in St. Augustine, Florida with my family back in, like, I'm scared. I took a picture of my family in St. Augustine, Florida. I think the oldest settlement, in the continental United States set up by the Spanish 1542, I think. And so you know there's some ghosts up in there.

You know what I'm saying? Took a picture of my family. I see someone walking back there, right? Look down. Immediately. A millisecond passes from when I take the photo to when it was a digital. I look at the thing.

No one in there. No one in the photo. But I saw the person going across. No more than 20, 30 feet behind my family. But they weren't in the photo. come on and then i saw my own i saw them took the photo look down they're not back there i look again my fuck is still going and then they just kind of

it was a fucking dracula one of them draculas they don't they don't photograph hash slinging slash slinging you know what i'm saying that type of shit that type of shit so yeah goes surreal for sure goes surreal in and out sucks yeah i'd mean it out sucks

yeah i'd mean you lost me, but you'll always have me here, right? O'i. Said, what? Thank you so much. Thank you, man. For real, I love Ardloor. And let's get one more, one more thing for me then.

Could you, could you do one for me for us? You know, or however you want. I'm a, I do a voice acting house. Do it, do one of these. It's hard Lord time. That's, you top Joey. He's easy. Dude, his are so funny.

same. I was awesome. I was in the car being like, how am I going to top that? You did it. You just did it. No timed along gimmick. That's right.

Well, thank you so much. Thank you all for listening. I appreciate it. Hey. Regulate self-title, check it out. Well,

let's right. We'll get you back after your fucking world tour. Yeah. Let me know. I'm always down. My favorite podcast. Wow. You heard it here.

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