HardLore - SHAPEL LACEY: Comedy, Cheerleading, Hardcore Punk

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

We proudly present our first ever comedian on HardLore, in person in Los Angeles: The great (almost legendary) Shapel Lacey! Lifelong hardcore punk listener, former cheerleading champion, and comedian on the rapid rise who proudly flies the flag for hardcore music every single time he hits the stage. We learn all about Shapel's origin from being a young Mesa, AZ hardcore kid at the Nile Underground discovering the wonders of Black Flag, to University of Louisville cheerleader trying comedy on a whim at an open mic night, touring with Bert Kreischer on a bus and then headlining rooms on his own, all the way to his finding his latest love of modern hardcore in 2020 and beyond.Shapel rules and we had an incredible time getting to know him in real time as this episode progressed, and we think you'll all enjoy it just as much as we did.HardLore: A Knotfest Series Edited by Steven Grise (@iamoneonenineseven)Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf (@marzluf)Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepodJoin the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef Cool links:HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.comGet your FREE glasses or sunglasses if you're in a touring band or work with one from SIGHT FOR SOUND: https://sightforsound.comGet 15% off MADD VINTAGE with code HARDLORE15! https://maddvintage.com/ FOLLOW SHAPEL:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/shapellacey/ FOLLOW HARDLORE:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepodSPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrpAPPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe 00:00:00 - Hello Welcome00:00:57 - Introduction / Mills Vintage00:01:58 - Music or Comedy First?00:04:54 - Guitar/Bass00:06:46 - Black Flag00:09:58 - The Nile00:10:48 - Formative Local Hardcore Shows00:13:53 - Sight for Sound00:15:41 - Cheerleading00:17:32 - Henry Rollins and Stand up00:19:10 - DS-13 / That Weird Swedish Kazaa00:24:42 - The first open mic night...00:33:26 - First Stand Up Out of State00:42:06 - Ditching Cheer Practice00:45:09 - Comedians, Wrestlers and Bands00:50:51 - Bombing00:56:27 - Going Underground Recordss01:00:24 - Do You Feel like You've made It?01:01:17 - Shapel's Biggest Headline Set01:04:03 - Favorite Set of All Time01:05:44 - Walk Out Music01:07:06 - Top 4 Comedians01:13:12 - Parasocial Relationships01:16:20 - Reading Comments01:21:47 - Finding Top 4 Records01:30:23 - Favorite Tour01:33:21 - Life on the Road01:34:54 - Eatin' Good01:41:25 - Mad Peaceful #HARDLORE #HARDCORE  HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster EnergyEdited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas MarzlufJoin the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes.Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes.FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLEFOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAMFOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

It's funny because we were, you know, I do from time to time get people, because people don't know. Three songs, you know, what's your friend? There was one time I had posted a clip and I'm wearing a black flag shirt. And this guy was like, I can't, I bet he can't even name blah, blah, blah. Because the clip went kind of viral. Like black flag? Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then people were like ripping this dude apart because they were like, you have no idea who this guy is like for you to come here and say that.

And then they're like, but he can't he? And then he's like. Not only can he, but it's like, name three Michael Jackson song. It's like the most recognizable punk band ever. Hello, welcome. It's Hardlore Time. How are you doing, Bo? I'm doing so good. Who do we got today? What a beautiful day we have. This is a historic moment on the show.

A crossover. It is a crossover. Our first ever crossover with a stand-up comedian in Hardlore history, we have the legendary Chappelle Lacey. A lot of legend, yeah, I still got a roommate. Once I move out. Once I move out of that situation, I'll be a leisure. You see how fast he was?

That's quick. That's quick. Shepel's a hardcore kid. Yes. And, you know, he's a touring comedian. He's doing it. He's out there. And we wanted to get his perspective.

Touring comedian world versus hardcore touring world. There's so many, there's so much crossover. Yeah, we think the Venn diagram is near a circle. Yeah. So we're here at Varsity in Los Angeles. We're going to head into the back to Mills Vintage. Look at some hardcore. shirts, talk about some stuff, and just have a nice time.

Let's do it. Let's head to the back. You guys are killing it with the comedy already. Come on, man. What came first for you, punk and hardcore, or like music or comedy? Music, yeah, music was the very first thing. Music was, like, you know, a major, major thing for me. You know, I was glued to the radio, you know, as a kid.

I just, you know, loved hearing all the things that I would hear. And, you know, early on, it was like the West Coast hip-hop. This was like when I was like early elementary school. So it was like doggy style, you know, like NWA and Dr. Dre and all that stuff. You said you're in your 30s now? Yeah, I'm 38. Yeah, okay. I'll be 38 this year.

Okay, yeah, yeah, we're right there, 87, yeah. So, you know, that was like the first of me. Then, you know, just then once I started switching the radio station and I heard Mississippi Queen by Mountain, you know, and I just heard that, yeah, yeah, and then I heard that and I was just like, yeah, I was like, yeah, I was like, what is this? you know, and I didn't understand what it was. And so then I just started exploring like the rock and roll world. And, you know, Nirvana was like a very, very big thing for me as a kid.

And like offspring, because that was this, you know, like 94 now, you know, all those, you know, or sorry. Epitaph punk and all that stuff was like coming out, you know. And but I just didn't really know what it was. But what hit it hard was corn. Really? Corn was like. So New metal was the bridge to the extreme. When I found new metal, you know, because like, not even like emo or whatever, because all of us, like, the beautiful thing of our world is we all kind of grew up in, like, hectic homes.

And so I grew up in a very hectic house, you know, my stepdad was crazy as fuck. And so corn was, like, the thing that matched the sound of, like, what I was, like, growing up in. And you're from Mesa, Arizona. Mesa, Arizona. That's corn, corn. Oh, wow, you know. Well, and also. Okay, so I'm pretty sure you played the Nile then.

Oh, yeah. We'll get that. We're going to talk about. Corn is quintessential bad stepdad music. I cannot think of a more, like there's dad rock and then there's stepdad rock. Yeah, there's stepdad rock. It's my stepdad loves this. Fuck this.

Yeah, I hate my stepdad. Yeah, I love corn. Yeah, I love corn. Which was it for you? So, I hate myself. Yeah, for sure. Oh, my God. But, you know, it was the first time I heard something in music that, like, you know, Jonathan Davis and his lyrics and, like, he was so vulnerable.

and everything he was opening up about with his home life and like you know that song I think daddy on the first record and you know he just hear him crying at the end and I'm like what I was like this guy too you know what I mean like you don't realize like what like

others are going through when you're in like those kind of situations so corn was like just so dominant in my life how do you get from corn to madball yeah okay so so what's crazy so here's like my origin of like punk and hardcore

So I want to say when I was in junior high, like I've always wanted to play like an instrument. I wanted to play guitar a lot. You know, that was like the biggest thing. And my junior high offered guitar classes, right? Yeah, as an elective. As an elective? As an elective. Wow, that's crazy.

Damn, I have volleyball. I trump it, dude. And my guitar teacher was really dope. So I already knew like a lot of like, you know, some of the classic rock that, you know, because he was the classic rock guy or whatever, you know. he taught us on like Spanish guitars you know what I mean so that's how I was like learning and then there was a guy in my guitar class

he was like hey man I play in a Scott band you want to be in it and I was like and I didn't use that fucking trumpet mother and I didn't know what Scott was you know what it was and he was like yes like Scott punk or whatever I was like I don't have that I was like yeah I was like whatever I don't care I'll be in a band you know

and he goes you mind playing bass and I was like because I'm black no I'm just kidding it wasn't that but it just he was a really good guitar player okay and so but I also I didn't know how to play bass. It's a perfect entry-level instrument. It's best one. Bass is actually really fucking hard.

People don't even realize. I think it's hard. It's hard to be a great bass player. It's so easy to be. It's easy to be. Yeah. It was just like the, you know, the strength of those strings just like fuck me up. So my guitar just like feels better on my hands.

Sure. And so, yeah, he, uh, so I go by his house. He's showing me all this stuff. You know, then he started showing me like, no effects. And I didn't really know any thinking about no effects. with like less than Jake, you know, Skank and Pickle, all this stuff, Bruce Lee Band, you know, he just You're a boss-tons guy? Yeah, yeah, he went boss tones.

Yeah, like, I'm telling you, like, this guy was, like, showing me the world, and I was like, man, this is very unique. Yeah. Right? And, you know, I fell in love with a lot of that stuff, real big fish, all that, and it was just. So the Good Burger soundtrack. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was big. Yeah, exactly.

So. Our front and Mac is at home, right? Yeah. So it was crazy, like, hearing that, and I was like, this was music that. It was just so fun, right? Just so fun. But then my brother, sorry, my friend's brother, he would wear a black flag shirt, but it just had this, like, the bars logo.

It was just got my attention. It's the coolest symbol in music. And I was like, is he an older brother? Yeah, it was his younger brother. Oh, interesting. Younghead. Yeah, so it was his younger brother. So his younger brother, he was wearing that shirt.

And I was just like, what the fuck is that? You know, like, but the bars, I just could not stop looking. at right because what do they mean what do they mean but it just looked so like power it looks strong yeah right you know what's beautiful about that the guy who designed it petabone yeah pedibone yeah did all their flyers and everything when they were coming up with it he said black flag isn't a logo it isn't a a band it should be a statement who and they designed and he designed that yeah just to do exactly how it worked yes yeah I walk around the time you see bushes in the shape

of that and you go there it is there it is yes yes you see that statement everywhere So I asked him, I was like, his name's Joey. I was like, Joey, what is, what is Black Flag? You know, and he's like, you never heard of Black Flag? I was like, no, he goes, oh, punk band from the 80s. He goes, let me show you. So we went to his computer, you know, back in those days, if you wanted to use the computer in your house, you couldn't use the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we went to, it was early days of Kazah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so he, like, downloaded this video. of Black Flag and it was this Black Flag Target video. Yeah, Rollins, shaved head.

Shaved head. Skiny as fuck. And the song that was playing was Rise Above and I was just like, who, I was like, and so the strength of the bars matched exactly what I saw. And then I was just like,

forgot all about corn. I forgot all about corn. I forgot all about corn and slip knot. I forgot about all of it. I forgot about all of it. Because I was like, and I saw Henry and I was like, who's that guy?

He was like, that's Henry Rollins. And I was like, I need to know anything and everything about that man immediately because you know, like I had these like crazy anger issues still do. But, you know, and seeing Rollins up there

like doing this art form that I'm like learning about and fascinated with and, you know, just seeing the way he would just project and like you felt the lyrics and you felt his passion of him behind the, you know, like just singing into that microphone and it was just so amazing to me so I got deep into Black Flag.

That was like. That was your gateway. That was your gateway. That's a great gateway. Someone said the top 32 gateway. Top 32 gateway. Yeah, top 32 gateway. Somewhere in the 27 range, but war zones a little bit.

So it just like, that hit me. So from Black Flag, do you get to local shows at the Nile Underground? Yeah, dude. I spent all like my time at the Nile. It's a hot room. It like, you know, this had to be like, yeah, like late 90s, early 2000s when I started going to the Nile. When did you move here? I didn't move to L.A.

I've been here seven years. Okay. So you were, were you Mesa the whole time? Mesa, yeah, yeah. So let me ask you this. Okay. Did you ever go to the Nile while DMX was doing his quarter point? No, I did it.

No, I did it. There was a litter end Nails Ringworm, New Lowe's show that I played. Was it in the basement? He was in the basement. Yeah. It was. Yes, it was in the basement. DMX was scoping out in the venue because he was like, I want to do, this is my hometown.

He was living there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Had to. And he had to. Rest in peace, one of the great. Yeah, yeah. And he came downstairs.

This is, if this is the, you know, the staircase to get downstairs. Nails is playing. They go, shtz, he goes straight back on the stairs. As soon as he hears one. Abe Simpson, dude. And we all ran outside like, God damn a man's playing, y'all. And there's a great. picture of Bitter End with him.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's sad that you didn't... Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I did not... I did not get to see him around that time. What were the, like, formative local hardcore shows or bands that you remember would come through Mesa? So the first, actually the first show I ever went to was Mad Caddies.

Dude, yeah, Mad Caddies. Mad Caddies played the first show I ever went to. Really? No effects. Oh, really? Yeah. That's fucking crazy. They're all the same.

Yeah, so I saw Mad Caddy's show and, you know, it wasn't even like a, like, I just needed to see live music. So I didn't care what it was. So a lot of the local stuff, it was like, you know, it was just, you know, you see these street punk bands. You see these crust bands. I would see these like pop punk bands. And I just loved being at the Nile. Like I literally would just go to the fucking Nile.

I would have been back since the crazy like reconstruction. I'm trying to think about the last. It's like, it's nine day. It's nice. There's a green room. Yeah. The green room. Whoa.

And the green room is an apartment. And it's awesome. It's air conditioning. And it's air. Really. Yeah. Oh. Oh, the last time I went there was 2017.

There was a small, like, comedy club that was, like, in the area for a short amount of time where I used to just, like, it was like, we would all go try out material there. And then my buddy was security guard at the Nile, which was, like, right around the corner from it. So you had to walk by the Nile, whatever. And then I think Devil Worse Prada was playing. Yeah, so that's the last time I went there. He was like, yo, go watch Devil World's Proud. But I think that was the last time. Shout out, Jeremy.

Yeah, I was there, yeah, yeah. So how, where does comedy come in? Is it movies? Oh, comedy. Hell, no. Someone dared me to do it. Really? Yeah, someone dared me to do it when I was cheering in college.

So this is post-chair. This was like, I was cheering. I was chairing at University of Louisville in Kentucky. And what am I, I used to get drunk. I don't do that straight-edge now, but like, we would, yes, come on. And so my buddies used to play these like acoustic nights at a bar. Like every Monday night

They just You know Like how a bar would be like Hey you know Kind of open mic Yeah yeah Can you guys play From this time or whatever

And uh One day they just asked me to come up on stage And like talk And then I told a story About how I wrote a love album For a girl And Top it way on

Yeah I know right And it did And it did not go well Sure Meaning like the album You know I poured my heart That a bitch

She didn't respond No she laughed at it You know And then I asked for my album back and she was like okay and then they told me she downloaded the songs onto her iPod those were a prize yeah well i'm keeping it wins the hate album yeah right yeah the follow-up the follow-up the follow-up it was so stupid what was her name uh i'm not saying her name what's her she still pays attention everything i do but she uh so she knows it's uh it was so

funny because like uh i named the album brutality in the making because I was like so punk with it still, but I was all acoustic songs. There's something like Midwest emo about that. That kind of works. There is. Oh, right there. He's everywhere.

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Click the link. Go. Description. Do it. Can you see it? Can you, yeah. If you can even see it, you, you've, two questions. Yeah. Were you the cheer guy? Like, are you tossing people? You're the

base? You're the lucha base? So I was, I was, but the thing I was really good at was tumbling. Like, I could do all the flips. Yeah. It's fine. So basically, like, when I was younger, I started watching like martial art films. My stepdad loved martial art films. That's the one thing I like them for. We started the day with the Mortal Kombat. Yeah, yeah. We put it on the way over here.

Yeah, so like, Mortal Kombat, like, obviously the Teenage Mutant, Eternal movies. You go one or two? One. One's great. Are you two? I love two guy? I'm not opposed to three.

Yeah, three. They had the little thing. They had to whatever. Casey Jones back? Yeah. Which one's Ouse? Two? That's two.

Yeah. Ouse is two? I wanted that. Ouse is two. Tocard and Razor? I gotta get that. Yeah. Kevin Nash is supercharges. But the third one was like they had to go to like Japan or something like that.

Yeah, that one fucking dope. Yeah, I like that one. Like feudal Japan. Yeah, exactly. It's fucking dope. Also like surf ninjas. Like three ninjas? Dude.

Yeah. Three ninjas? Yes. Three Ninjas is incredible. Surfinges with Kino from Secret of the Us. Incredible. Yeah, so my dad would watch these old school, like, the old school, like Asian ones, like the real Wu-Tang movies.

Yeah, like the actual, like, what Wu-Tang Clan kind of got their stuff from. And so he watched those. Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, all the samples you hear. So my stepdad will watch a lot of that, and I was just, I love that shit. So I didn't take karate classes, so I just started teaching myself how to do flips when I was like, man, I had to be like five or six. Do you have any flip home videos? Oh, when I was younger.

No, I only have them for when I was like, like, cheering. Yeah. Like, here's one. That was unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know how you did that. Louisville, that's the Cardinals? Cardinals, yeah, which was like the hot school for cheerleading.

Like, it was a really, really hard school to get it, like, to make the team. And now, second question. Yeah. Tying in Rollins and stand up. You and I are the same age. Did you see his, like, did you on Comedy Central? to perform with him. Oh, really? Yeah. But when you were growing up, did you see his spoken word? Yeah, of course, man. Like, his words were very powerful for me. Like, I always tell people, like,

you know, Rollins and like Ian McKay, like, you know, their words and what they spoke were like, literally, like, you know, got me through my childhood. You know what I mean? It, you know, just, obviously songs like Rise Above, you know, from Black Flag and then, you know, stand up from a minor threat, you know, hearing that song, you know, stand up and me, it and like hearing those lyrics it just yeah fuck yeah I can do that you know what I mean and and those were just like things that like just you know just help me they I mean so you know still today that's beautiful Ian's birthday yesterday at yeah yeah birthday yeah birthday Ian every birthday Ian so when you're getting into

punk and hardwood how fast did you get a black flag shirt immediately yeah immediately the red zone at the mason mall it was yeah it was uh it was literally the the the scissors oh yeah that was the first one I love this one. Yeah, oh, my rules? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great one. Yeah, with the M&M.

Yeah, and the, the hand gesture looks so, like, weird. Yeah, it's so. Yeah, it's kind of like, it's like. That I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's on it. Look at this. There it is, yeah.

Steven, grab that. Thank you, Vic. Yeah, thank you, yeah. It's just so funny because it just looks like so. It's like a lazy, like, it's like a French guy. Yeah, exactly, yeah.

Fuck you. Yeah, but the black shirt came immediately. So when we start to advance into punk and hardcore, how do you get harder? How do you get harder? This is lute. Nothing to do with bullshit. How do you start to get musically more heavy and hard?

So you ready for this? So here's my origin and here's where it happened for me. I actually started listening to a bunch of Swedish bands. Oh, like who? This band called DS-13, Demon System 13, out of Umiot, Sweden. Dennis from Refuse It's his younger brother's man And so I started getting into that

Before I actually got into American Hardcore Oh shit How did you find that? How the fuck did I find out? You're on the Scandinavian Darkway Yeah right Yeah

Because I'm on Solcy Yeah you're right Downloading shit Cranny You'd want to blame Yeah So my homie gave me a record

Of Ds 13 this DS13 album and it was just so like dope for me and it was like probably one of like the hardest albums that I had heard and then I just started digging

into like this Swedish like underground scene you know in Oumio Sweden and so obviously like you find like refused but I was finding like bands like it's so funny so I was on Toby Morris's One Life One Chance

podcast and he had Dennis from Refused on and it's so funny because I showed Dennis my text too because I have a D.S. It was one or whatever it is. How many of those are? I know, right? Yeah, there's about 12 of them.

Exactly. And so Dennis looked at it. He, like, looked at his glasses up. He's just like, how do you know that? Because it's like, it was like just so deep. You know what I mean? And I was like naming all these, like, bands that he was just like, who are you? I was like, dude, I was a 15-year-old kid that got kicked out of class.

So I had to sit in a homeroom. I don't know if you guys remember that. Like, home room? Yeah. Home room? Yeah. Yeah. So I had to sit in. That's part of the day.

It was. Yeah. And so I had to sit in homeroom. And so I was just on the computer. And I found this, like, deranged records or whatever. I found that, like, record label. And then it just showed all these, like, Swedish bands. And so that's where it went hard for me.

Wow. Yeah. I didn't get into, like, the American stuff until, like, later. Yeah, what did that? It's pretty good, right? Yeah, it's really good. It's really good. What does that look like as you get into American bands?

It looks a little bit like this. My man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Madball is just something, I mean, especially when you watch those early videos, man, like that bright video. Yeah. And just like what you feel and what it is and like, you know, and I mean, if people only realize like the volumes, like it speaks to the guys like us and what they like means.

And, you know, there's always those memes of like people that I don't know who did this. but it's like people in the pit or whatever and then it's a guy still not going to therapy or whatever we don't need it we got that you know what I mean which they are they are right you know what therapy is 1099 with feet yeah exactly on dice

you know the dice app yeah so so yeah madball but if I mean if I had to pick one that like speak the strongest to me yeah it's got to be TUI yeah okay so So this is, let's see, like early mid-2000s? What I got in that?

No. You know what? Actually, no, because I stayed there for like a while. Honestly, I like, I didn't even know about TUI until I met Justice. Oh, okay. I met Justice in like 2020. Yeah, I had no clue. So we're going to have to retroactively take it all.

Yeah, yeah. So what's cool is that like it's all like fresh to me in a way that like, and I think, I always always say this. There's things that come into my life at the right time. You know what I mean? Like where I feel like I need this like boost or whatever, something that like kind of just like lifts me up. And I think when I had met Justice before I even listened to TUI, and I was just like this guy,

I thought it was just such an interesting dude and, you know, very well spoken and very nice guy. And then, you know, as I was listening to that and just like, man, I was like, I needed this at, you know, the age that I was at at the time when I had met him, you know and and it just like just yeah meant a lot you know what I mean like those words like it kind of like uh it helped me understand because I feel like I've always been like a lone wolf sure you know what I mean I feel like I've always kind of just like even even though I was like you know going to shows like I went to shows by myself a lot then also like with cheerleading like

there wasn't many cheerleaders who were like me of course you know what you're like what are you talking about you know and then so also like being in comedy there's not a lot a lot of guys, you know, like me as well, that are, like, going to these shows like me. Most comedians are like, they're always like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, what is your life? You know what I mean?

Are there, like, secret punts in comedy that we don't know about? Yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, there's this dude named Chris Estrada. He's not, he's not in the hardcore per se, but like he's like a big clash guy, you know, like he's like in that world of punk, Dick Kennedy's, you know, that kind of stuff. And, you know, there's a student in New York named Brian Vokie.

who's another guy. I think he played in like bands. I think he had a band called neon piss or something like that. We've all been there. Been there. So, so when you get dared at this kind of open mic kind of situation, what year is that old were you? The open mic, that was in 2010. Are you in your cheer uniform? I know, right? I should have just went over there. It was funny because I told one person on my team, I was like, hey man, I think I'm going to do that comedy thing that people were

daring me to do and he was like oh hell yeah he goes well let me know i'll pull up i go cool just i was like just you though like i don't want to you want to fucking oh right dog my whole cheer team but that's beautiful game to this open bike and i was just like you're built you got a laugh track oh i know you know because i and i was and it was so funny i was like so nervous and you know obviously and i remember this guy came up to me he was like you're going to bomb and he goes but it's fine you know right yeah He goes, but it's fine. You got a bomb.

It's fine. He goes, good luck. You know what I mean? I was just like, I don't even know what that means. Yeah, right, right. I'm the bomb. Yeah, yeah, I'm the bomb. Thanks, man.

Oh, yeah, hell of you. And so I go up there and, you know, I don't even remember the first jokes I told. You know, it was just me kind of talking shit. I think it was me talking shit about, like, this girl that had led me on. You know what I mean? It was pretty emo. Classic. Yeah, it was easy.

And she was in the audience, too, that kind of funny. You know. She's actually right there. Could you stand up? Yeah, could you stand up? Yeah. And so, yeah, after that, I was like, I'm dropping out of college. As soon as I got out of stage.

No way. You just felt it. I felt it. I knew it. Whoa. I knew it. I've truly always wondered how that moment happens. Because there's like, I have to imagine one of the hardest parts of being a comedian is telling people like,

hey, I think I'm really good at this. I think I'm really funny. Yeah. And I need to get paid for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Funny enough. It's funny enough to, like, go up on stage and do, and that was the thing. I didn't, I was like, I don't know. I didn't really know much about comedy.

Like, I knew some, like, you know, some pretty dominant comedy specials, but I thought only famous people did it. Like, if you were an actor, I thought, I didn't know that, like, you could just go to. That was the path. Yes. I didn't know you can go to, like, they all started at open mics and, you know, building themselves as a comedian. Because, like, I knew Dave Chappelle's killing them softly. Right. But I knew Deis Chappelle were like half baked and like, you know,

screwed. Screwed and a, there's a line and screwed. Oh, many tights. Oh, many tights. So like I knew. Look at yourself. I knew for the, yeah. So fucking.

The screwed bit where he's talking about what he's going to do with the money when they finally get it. Yeah, yeah. And his response is, I'll eliminate my men. Yeah, yeah. Goes through my head once a day. So, yeah. Something we were talking about this morning. Yeah.

And something we often talk about is. is wrestling, comedy, and underground music are all kind of the same thing. For sure. You're grinding, you're cutting your teeth, getting paid fucking dog shit. And you got to go, go, and the ones who last kind of last. You can cut the line and be bigger. Miraculously. In a Dane Cook-esque way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wherever he hates your guts, but you're getting paid. But you're getting paid. But what I find, what we like and why we identify with it is, like, you guys are going up for five minutes, 10 minutes at first, not getting paid very well, it's just over and over and over again.

And we identify with that because we do that for years. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, the thing is, it's like, it's the traditional of like, you know, you eat what you kill. You know what I mean? So, like, if you don't go out

and, like, do something about it or, you know, make the thing happen that you want to make happen, then, yeah, like, you can't just expect anything. And, you know, yeah, a lot of times, like, you're, you know, with comedy especially, you're eating like a bag of dicks on stage

until like you finally hit that moment where you make the whole crowd laugh. You know what I mean? And no one's looking at you weird. They're looking at you like, wow, this guy's... This guy's good. This guy's good, you know. And so when you feel that moment,

you get addicted to it, obviously. And then it just makes you want to go more and more and more. And that's like the beauty of... And I, you know, I love things that are like super, super hard to do. Like, the type of cheerleading I did It was like competitive cheer.

And it was like, it's really, really hard. You know what I mean? You're going out there and like you're, you know, jampacking like all these skills into a two minute and 30 second routine. And you're like throwing humans in the air. You got to catch them with your hands. And you're doing all these flips. You got to land on your feet and all in two minutes and 30 seconds.

So like, you know, in doing that, I was just like, I got to be the best that I can be at this. So I got like really, really good, like scholarships for it, world champ for it, all these things. You want, your goal, you're a medalist. Yeah, yeah, medals, gold medal. It's like, when I say World Champ, legit, beat other countries, so it wasn't like, you know, like World Series, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, and so doing that, and also with skateboarding, that was, like, another thing, too. Like, when I started off with that, it was like, I want to be the best that I can be at this.

And that's just kind of how my brain, like, trains me. And honestly, like, you know, learning about the ethics of, like, DIY and in the punk and hardcore world, and just kind of having that foundation, you know, I think it catches a lot of like these industry people that I like, you know, because I'm in that world in the sense and, you know, catches them off guard to where I'm like, okay, well, really, if you don't want to help me, it's cool, I got it. You know what I mean?

Like, it's like, I'll do it. You know what I go fuck, you know? And like, Wild Story is like my manager, she comes from hardcore. You know what I mean? It's kind of crazy. Like, she was stage diving at, like, gorilla biscuits. You know, like she's.

She gets it. Yeah, she gets it. That's the perfect partnership. And it's crazy how we came together and all this stuff. And it's just like so wild. And like she's like a tatted up, you know, human. And she meanwhile she's around these like suits and all this stuff. But like, you know, she speaks, you know, like speaking on my behalf, you know, as my manager, she fucking kills it.

But she understands, you know. And that can't be taught. It has to be experienced. It cannot be. It has to be experienced. You know. So she comes from the, she. she comes from the world you know and that's perfect so she's like a double agent she's like a wolf

in sheep's clothing yeah she comes here and goes this guy's full oh yeah she'll let me know immediately like you know she could read it and she like she could see my face whenever you know something's like oh she'll fucking i'll tell you a story off camera yeah for sure there was um something i've mentioned before i won't i don't even remember names but like one of the times when i i went and saw i and I was hanging out in the green room and there is such a clear distinction between oh do you know this guy who's over here and oh yeah I did that club

oh yeah I did it and then people who aren't that way there's such a clear like cut and you can and it tends to be people who are a little more the DIY side versus I don't know I don't know exactly yeah and my my thing is like you know

especially learning from like Rollins Rollins is like get up and go You know, like his shit, like he's just, and so I kind of like live by that. You know, like, I've only been in L.A. for seven years. Yeah. It's very flattering. Yeah, it's very flattering that people are like, people think I've been here way longer than what I have

because of the things that I've been able to accomplish. But I assumed you grew up here until he told me this morning. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I molded in pretty, like, well. And, you know. The Nile will, the Nile underground will mold you. It'll mold you. It'll melt you.

You'll be clay. Kid Minishton. this couch up in that bitch that that couch was so dirty and I remember one time I fell asleep during one of the bands like playing all I fell asleep on that couch and I'm telling you there's probably been just pissed spit like all this but it's also like I woke and I was like yeah it's fucking yeah what we do you know what I mean are there local Arizona bands from that time where he goes there where he goes there oh cool yeah was run with the hunted Arizona am I am I correct there what they Arizona I don't know you can remember

let me ask what was mark novice man and then also i was going to like a lot of crust shows i saw and i didn't even dress that way really yeah i think it's ugly horrible look good shirts brown yeah right yeah dude i remember when i bought the i can't remember what it is that i bought of them but that was like

misery index yeah misery index yes misery index i mean that's yeah we call that a double so you you finish it and you just let it go yeah you just like it's fine because it's not 18 minutes Yeah, AT TV, yeah. Do you remember the first set you did with stand-up out of state? Because that's always a big thing for us. It's like when you play outside of your home state, it's like, we're doing it.

Man, I want to say where I went to D.C. Fuck, yeah. That's pretty far. D.C., yeah, it's pretty far. That was the first time. Was it for a show or like a fest or something? It was for a show. I was opening for Frank Kelly Endo.

O.G. comedian, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of impressions and stuff like that. Yeah, he was he a mad TV guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. that guy he's awesome he does the madden john gruden he does yeah bush he does yeah he does yeah he does yeah he's unbelievable uh yeah he took me to dc in uh which like dc is probably like one of my top favorite cities to perform we're gonna get they just they handle comedy really well

yeah you know what i mean and like because they're all like you know i think i just think they're they accepted for the art that it is the art form that it is well because they're living in bureaucratic bullshit exactly they need a break they need this at times they're Yeah, more than they need. Yeah, exactly. Absolutely. You know? What do you look at maybe some shirts? Maybe we should look at some shirts. Yeah. What do you look for? I know you're not buying your off shirts. I look for things that people do not have. Okay. Beautiful. Love it. I'm like, I'm very strategic about the shirts that I buy. You don't want to be showing up, match. You don't want to be this guy. No. No. You don't want to do this for something.

I know. I know. Cool shot, come on. Yeah, yeah. I was Christian under that. Yeah, exactly. I do not want to do that at all. So I try to find, like, something that I know that most people are just not going to have. And that's why I get, like, that's why I come to find out, that's why a lot of people comment on my shirts,

because some people are like, where'd you get that? Yeah, yeah. Where'd you get that? You know, like, I find, like, the unique ones. Oh, they have a phobia shirt. Wow. I like that. I like that you put on a lot of current bands.

Yes, I do. Yeah. You know what? Because, you know, I just remember there was a time, I mean, remember those days of watching, like, Dawson's Creek? And at the end of the show, they would, like, talk, they would, like, show you what bands were, like, on. You know, that's how I, have. That and the O.C.

They were, like, yeah, they would play at the venue. Yeah, they were like, yeah, this is like, yeah, graduate by third-eye blind. You know, that's how you, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? Track. Dude, track. That whole record is great, but that's my, that's, that's crazy. Yeah, the whole record is great. Yeah, they couldn't do it again.

No, who needs to do it again. Yeah, they got it. Yeah, they got them. Yeah, but like you would see that. And so, yeah, man, I always try to, like, rep for, like, the younger bands out there because why not? You know what I mean? Absolutely. You know, also, like, I love them.

You know what I mean? I love it. If I love it, I'm going to rock it. You know, I don't want to rock something that, you know, especially, you know, and it's funny because we were, you know, I do from time to time get people, because people don't know. That's why we're here. Yeah, they don't ask me, like, how many, you know, the three songs. You know, what's your friend? There was one time I had posted a clip and I'm wearing a black flag shirt.

And this guy was like, I can't, I bet he can't even name blah, blah, blah. Because the clip went kind of viral. Like black flag? Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then people were like ripping this dude apart because they were like, you have no idea who this guy is. It's like for you to come here and say that. And then they're like, but he can't he? And they're like, just do some type of search.

Just do some type of search. Not only can he, but it's like, name. Game three Michael Jackson song. Like the most recognizable punk band ever. Ever. It's hilarious. Ever. But yeah.

But yeah, it's one of my favorite things is to put on shirts of like, you know, younger bands and stuff like that. I mean, you talk about finding TUI in 2020. Yeah. Like, they've been a band for 13. Yeah. They've been a band for 13 years at that point. It shows, it does take time to be timeless, you know? Yeah.

There was a culture shift in hardcore to that demo and their 7-inch. and both LPs. Yeah. But it's cool to see somebody who's like this music their entire life connect with something modern and be like,

no, this is the best. Yeah, I'll, I'll definitely, you know, I'll be on the search. You know, I love,

you know, finding out about, like, especially if it's something that's already been around. Yeah. You know what I mean? I love finding out about it.

And I remember being a kid, this is the funny stuff, my funny story with Madball, I was like, I remember being a kid and I remember getting this, like, magazine back in the day

that I would get, It was, you know, I can't remember exactly, but on the back of the magazine, it was just, like, have all these, like, bands, like, logos and, like, names or whatever. And, but, like, I thought Mad Ball was, like, in the world of, like, Pantera for some reason. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know why. Because it was, like, I remember just seeing those names, like, near each other in this, like, magazine and shit like that. And then, meanwhile, then, when I, you know, got into the set-it-off record and, you know, but, I mean, demonstrating my style is, like, you know. From the very beginning.

You have a favorite? You have a favorite? Mad ball record overall? Mad ball record overall? Yeah. Dana's tough. We find, as we get older,

we become hold it down. It's like, we become hold it down guys. You know, like, set it off is like kind of the one. And then I think once you... I think set it off

is like a guaranteed. A guaranteed. You know what I mean? That's a given. Front to back, perfect, but then you find later the depth. I know.

I think can't stop, won't stop is. One of the best hardcore songs ever read. Yeah. And I can't stop, want to. I mean, two minutes. Yeah, I was like, it's a short song. It's a short song.

Into the title track. And then it's the title track. Oh. The way it hits into that chorus is, and I can't stop. It's so good. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great song.

Are there other modern hardcore bands that you've really connected with? Yeah, like when, when did you hear terror for the first time? Terror, for the first time. They had a seasonal residence at the Nile. Yeah. They were fake Sinatra of the Nile. The Grand Trial is Orr wasn't built.

Tony Bennett, the rap back. Exactly. That was Terran of the Nile. Exactly. 100%. TAR was around that time, too. Yeah, good. You know what I mean? Around the time of like TY.

So TUI was like the gateway to like a lot of that stuff that I just like took a... Once I really like right now, paint a truth. Beautiful. Yeah. Friends. They hit really, really fucking hard, man. Yeah. The show, their shows look fun.

gotten to see them live yet but like the shows look like so much fun and you know i was at speed the other night and i got seen how was that it was great man they're i mean they're good and they're like these sweetest humans 100% like i'm like how do you i'm like who made you guys you know what i mean they're just like australian god is different yeah yeah american god my first time actually seeing speed was at uh sound of fury i want to say uh maybe 22 i think it was their first time ever playing america Two or three. Yeah, there was the show that it like made them. Yeah, exactly. That was the one where the guy was like... And Shaq retweeted that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's the show that, yeah. So I saw them there and I was just like, fuck yeah. Like we were watching that from kind of across the field just like, oh Lord, something's happening. What is happening? I had my own like angle of that dude. Yeah, yeah. You know, crowd killer. Yeah, yeah. And so it was just kind of funny that that that was the thing that like really obviously like popped.

it off, but it was so dope, you know what I mean? Were you in, like, going back a little bit in those early punked, like Mad Caddies, were you in just the silliest push pit? I mean, of course. You had to be. Are you, you had to be, you're like, all your shoes getting in. Are you, are you, back for you?

Oh, I used to all the time. Really? Yeah, I used to do front flips over people. I mean, I would hope so. Yeah, people thought it was like the dovest thing. They used to, I don't think they had a nickname for me. I feel like they were shot flips or flips or whatever, whatever.

But I would just like literally just run up. don't flip over somebody and then just like you know go for it wow yeah i was i was crazy were you ever like a small guy or have you been oh i mean i was like a lot more shredded okay but like i mean also i was bigger than most people for sure yeah yeah yeah you yeah you know but i would trust you yeah yeah yeah i would have people set up i'm like i was like get that all the floors and i would just be like brine yeah and then we would just get it if i had that ability yeah everyone would know so I hope you

he goes I'm telling everybody they're gonna know hey that's the backflip guys yeah yeah one of my favorite stories

from like like this is how much like pits and like the music meant so much to me I remember I did cheer practice

to go see sorry coach cheer cheer bad boy yeah I did cheer practice to go see

there was co-headlining tour, it was Circle Jerks and GBAH, right? And I think Circle Jerks went first at this one. It was at the Marquis, Marquis Theater. And so, I was so excited. And I remember Circle Jerks had closed

with nervous breakdown, and I had nervous breakdown tattered on my stomach. Oh, no shit. Not at the time, not at that one when I was in church. But you identified with that song. I identified with that song. Rollins version or Dez version? If I had to, so this how I pick Black Flag singers.

So I love all of them. Rollins is my number one, but I love Keith Morris' nervous breakdown. I love Des's version of, like, American Waste. Beautiful. I love Rollins' version of like Thirsty and Miserable. And then Ron Reyes, I love his no values. Ron Reyes. I can never remember that guy's name. So, yeah. Cool. So, like, that's how I.

Are they your favorite band? You're doing, that was favorite. It's Oasis and Black Flag, like, back and board. Oh, now. Yeah, yeah, now you're cooking. Are you a be here now, guy? Yeah, of course. Yeah, come on now.

Yeah. I think if, if acquit, this is my, I've said this whole time, if acquiesce and master plan were on Be Here Now, it would be the best record. The best record. It would be massive. We wouldn't be hearing any of his bullshit. It'd be massive.

So, yeah, they closed with nervous breakdown, and I remember there was a barricade at the show, which was, like, kind of odd, you know, because most shows aren't barricades. And I remember Keith said, come up if you want to sing it and then I was just like and then I you know as soon as that so I hop over the barricade and I remember I got I got yeah yeah just hopped over and I immediately as I try to get to the stage I got tackled oh security tackle security tackle me we broke

something that was down there and he was holding me down holding me down right and then all of a sudden I see his head like doing this and I just hear get the fuck off him get off him get off him get off him and fucking he gets off of me and see a hand reach out it was Keith Morris he grabbed my hand and he pulled me up on stage

and let me finish the song yeah OG pop you never forget that I'll never forget that that's the thing where you know that's what I knew like the community aspect of like who we are what we do like we fully understand each other you know what I mean he understood

like yo that's not what we fucking do that's not here to fucking kill this kid you know also the get the security guard probably didn't think I was a kid because I was like his size I was like this guy just fucking quadriable backflips up here what you wanted to do serge peg him down I can't get him I can't yeah I'll try I can't he's too fast he's vertical league yeah damn it I got it that was great he's got good hops I'll yeah I didn't see nothing yeah well I didn't get loose it'll spin kick okay okay yeah so in terms of touring okay okay we were talking earlier about how

how a stand-up comedian, you figured it out. You cracked the code. You're a one-person army. Let us explain. Yeah. For those listeners as well. So, like I said, comedy, music, wrestling. Wrestlers are often, like when Brody was starting out, it's just him, but he's got his wardrobe,

he's got merch if he wants it. He's got all the shit he has to do with. We are splitting shit five ways, sometimes six. We've got gear, all the bullshit, checking in the airport with a ton of people. dry like all the bullshit that comes with that do you even bring a mic with you no you don't you don't even know need to know what a pelican case is no no never never you got her case you know uh you guys figured it out i don't even have to do a damn sound check wow like is the microphone on if it doesn't work that's hilarious yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah also i was a cheerleader i'll shout it

yeah right i got this i am chappel pretty good motion that was tight wow he's tis german Take it easy. Yeah, so like you, I never knew until probably COVID when I was really on just YouTube all the time. Yeah. That like, oh, comedians like grind. And that's kind of when this popped into my head. So that's exactly what we were trying to point out is like with touring, your first early tours.

Yeah. Are you, aside from going to D.C., like, are you hitting the road? Are you flying? If you don't mind me asking? Yeah, so, yeah. So a lot of, you know, for right now, like, a lot of it is flying. Yeah. Until I started getting, like, the theaters.

Because, like, the way comedy clubs work is, like, you're going out and doing weekends. So you go out, do. Which is also, you beat it. Yeah, exactly. The cheat code. So you go on Thursday, you leave Sunday. And so you go back home wherever you are. And then you go, and you kind of repeat the same process or whatever.

But sometimes you do some off nights or whatever, like, usually starting out touring, you do some off. nights and some clubs and stuff like that. And aren't you like at the same venue multiple nights too? Yeah, you're at the same venue multi-night. So you do early, home-based hotel. So we do, yeah, early and late shows. So like Thursday you'll usually do just one show. It'll be like a, you know, 8 p.m. show.

People about work. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, yeah, you know. And then the next night's like Friday and Saturday nights is like a 7 p.m. show and then like a 9.30 show or whatever. And that's pretty much what you do throughout the weekend. But as you're building, and like once you start selling out these clubs, because, you know, some of these rooms are like, you know, in the range of like $250 to maybe $500 at most. And if you're selling out those, you know, bigger 500 seat rooms, like we're selling out five shows over a weekend.

Yeah, you can move up to theaters. But for comedians, it's a little tougher to make money in a theater because it's expensive to. It's expensive to. Turn their lights on. Yeah, exactly. So the way you make your money is if you're really selling tickets, you do two. shows. Right. So you do it early and a late show. Yeah, the Chicago Theater. I'm from Chicago. Yeah, the Vic Theater or no, Chicago Theater right on State Street is like one of the most beautiful,

gorgeous places I've ever seen. And I'm not really into comedy. I'm more so in comedy the last few years, but like growing up, I never really was, but I saw Eddie Izard perform there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh, this is just what it always be like. Yeah. Clearly, there's all these people here. He's, or they are doing one show. Like, it's got to be, you know. And, and, and, and, and, yeah when once I start learning about like our side of the industry and like venue costs and overhead and staffing and security in front of house and all the bullshit you got to like pay for it yeah and the difference like so I say like so I mean you guys can correct me if I'm wrong but I think so selling tickets and comedy is really hard it's like really like that's like another step because

you can be funny as fuck but getting people to like go I'm going to buy a ticket and sit down and watch this person be funny be funny Instead of just like, hey, I'm in town for the night, wonder if there's some comedy happening. Exactly, you know what I mean? So it takes a while to, like, sell some tickets. I mean, sometimes, like, you know, some random things will just pop off for you online or whatever

to where you're able to do so. You got some good reels. Yeah, oh, thank you. I appreciate it. We're real grinds in. So that's another similarity also with wrestlers. Yeah, the reels are really well. Dude, if you're a 1099, you need a real.

You need a reel, yeah. It really helps us out. But I think with bands, it might be a little bit easier because you can stack the bill. Like, you know, this band has a following. This band has a following. Like, not like major following, but like collectively we can make a show happen. You know what I mean? Whereas like comedy, you're a lone wolf.

So. So then when you have openers and features, is that how it goes? Like direct supporters of feature? Yeah. So when you're doing that, are you, like, do the headliners have hands on in that? Or is it just kind of like the club has a guy? So, like, if you ever want to bring, like, if you know, ever want someone to open for you specifically that's all on you you know what i mean but also like

you got to get them there you know what i mean whereas like you know like until you're like making like pretty good money and can pay for someone to come out like come out there like a lot of times you're just using what the locals that they have in town yeah yeah and sometimes same as hardcore same same as hardcore yeah yeah not the man no listen that we we we we we we we you need you need local talent the shitty local opener goes on to be the headline or someday Exactly. And it's cool to watch that. And it does happen. You know what I mean? Like, I've bombed for, like, locally for, like, being a local in Arizona, I've bombed for, like, headliners, you know, before, whatever.

And, like, now I'm at where I'm at. But. Now, when you stay bombed, let's see if we can translate this for us. Oh, go for it. Yeah. Because we'll have sets that, like, I'm sorry. Just do it. Like the FYA set that he, we played a fest in Florida.

He was playing guitar in his newer band, Holy Blade. Didn't go so great. A lot of technical issues. Oh, really? You know, it's not the ban Murphy's Law, but the idea of Murphy's Law. That's me. That's what happened. I'm Murphy.

I would call that, I would call that respectfully a bomb, as I'm thinking this will translate. But then you'll have a set where like, it felt good. Everybody played good and people seemed into it, but it wasn't crazy. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? How do you distinguish what a bomb is? What's a bomb? So I think there's levels to it as you get like better and like into comedy.

Like if it's just like okay laughs, I'm like, that was a bomb. But like when no one's laughing, that's like, you know, now like, you know, like, you're telling, if you're doing what you're supposed to do, your talent's going to grow. And like, yeah, there's times I've gone up there and like had like an okay set, but I've gotten really good at like understanding how to like just take the bomb taking what it is. You know what I mean? Because a lot of there's, there's times you cannot get out of it. And it's so funny because like, you know, there's this thing in comedy like if someone's bombing and they know it, they're trying to pull. whatever they can to just get that one laugh. And sometimes they'll run the light where you're like, dog, you're not getting it.

You're not going to get that laugh. You know, and it just happens that way. But, you know, like... Is that a right of passage, though? It has to be. Yeah, of course. You got to experience that, you appreciate the good one. There's a line I heard, like, in order to...

You got to know what it's like to lose in order to win. You know what I mean? Which I think that's like, yeah, you know, if you haven't lost anything, then what do you... What knowledge have you, like, truly, like, gained? Kevin Spacey. Did he say that? No. So, like, Russell.

Saneve and actors. Would really establish, would really establish, like, headliner comedians have sets that they would say they bombed on? For sure. So it's just, it's just a ubiquitous that everyone understands it. I've had homies and sold out, like, headlines sold out theaters, and they'll get off stage and, you know, that wasn't, that wasn't, that wasn't, eh. And are you watching that? Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, sometimes, but then I'll get it.

Like if they, you know, especially if they know what they've, like, been able to do in a theater. You know what I mean? Especially when they know, like, what they have happened before. Like, it's like, no, I've gotten laughter stronger than that. You got any tricks for when a bomb is occurring? I go, I go, this is what you get it. I go, I ain't tap dancing anymore. You know, I was like, I'm not going to juggle.

I'm not going to do anything. I'm just say the rest of the set. Okay. You know, that's what I do. That's good. It's fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, of course.

Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, what? Beautiful. Hell no. I mean, because, yeah, like, where was that? Miami. Miami's tough. Yeah. But they're shit-faced, right?

Are they too shit-faced? But it's like, they want, they want a party. Oh, okay, yeah. It is tough. At one point in time, like, when I was up there bombing, I just started, I go, you guys, I was like, this, I feel like this, I feel like it's leg day. I just started, I was like, I was like, you. like I get you started bringing it yeah and then they come up to me out there like

that was great I go but you guys what do you mean? Yeah I was like we guys had no reaction Wow You know I was like I'm not over here doing a think piece So are there other cities like that where you're like fuck it's got whatever I get Whenever I get it's got a night man And you know sometimes with Miami one I'm like man that

I guarantee you it's nice Yeah Yeah okay But other cities no you know there's not too many where I'm like I hate going there most of them are pretty good yeah pretty beautiful what do you say we go

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your existence. Beautiful. Don't quote me. Hey, we're back with Chappelle Lacey. We're at Going Underground Records in Little Tokyo. Let's go in to find some reference we like. Let's do it. Beautiful. Chappelle, let's find some records that shapes you here. Okay. What do we got? Where do we begin? Yeah, where do we begin?

There's a punk seven inch section over there. Oh, there is. Yeah, that's a good section. Do you go, when you walk in a record shop, do you go for the wall first? Are you looking for the first pressing stuff? No, I usually, I usually take it. I usually take a dip here. I'm a wall man. Yeah. That's where the heat is still a lot of time. Burn. See? Burn? This is the record. Yeah. Shall be judged. one of the hardest mosh parts with no symbols ever recorded there are no snare I guess no snare then da da da dun dun dun incredible are you uh are you a record collector shop you know I

barely barely barely barely barely barely started just your favorites yeah just my favorites I was like let me do that actually I don't have a trying to think do I have any black flag ones I'm surprised. You know, a lot of fans will send me, like, records and stuff. People are pretty generous, very, very nice. Yeah, a lot of this old punk stuff, especially around that time.

Those are $5,000, $10,000 records now. Dude, it's crazy. Isn't it crazy? We're Misfits guys, and that's an expensive hobby. Expensive hobby. I bought every Misfits bootleg that I could find because I have conceded that I'll just never own a full. It's irresponsible.

He did give me a walk among us. I did. Oh, nice. Which was very nice. Yeah, nice. But whatever. You know, were you guys also, did you guys also get down with the Michael Graves era too?

Oh, yeah. Man, that was, you know. I have heard, even Glenn has said, it's not the misfits, but it's not bad. It's not bad. Yes. About American Psycho in particular. I mean, America, that's the one I like,

More than the famous monsters guy. You're a famous monster's guy. I think I'm an American psycho. That was just, The song American Psycho is incredible. Incredible. Dude, what's the melodies and like those, those, uh, Speak of the Devil.

Speak of the Devil. Oh, sweet. Unbelievable track. You're fucking awesome. Great. He ruled. Yeah. Great records.

And I agree with that. It's not the Misfits. It's not. It's not. It's pretty good. You know. I'm trying to think of like if I had to pick

a song from each one of them like death comes ripping well I mean that is that song just that's a hardcore it's a hardcore song

that song that song rips well huge champions of the misfits to the point where we have said that without them possibly no Metallica for sure

no Metallica know a lot. They're early, I mean, Metallica, when they first started, they were, like, covering Misfit songs. They would cover Misfit songs. You know? They would rock the T-shirts all the time.

I mean, that famous photo of Cliff Burton in a Misfitsch. There's a quote in Tom Begrowitz's book, Scream With Me, where he talks about how Cliff got the whole band in the Misfits. Like, Cliff was the Misfits guy. And Glenn came to one of their shows, and Cliff Rendshersers.

in the back and goes, I met him, I met him. I met the misfits guy. He looks like Eddie Munster. As usual. I mean, a lot of those guys, I mean, I know Rollins was a big misfits guy, you know. He's got four misfits tattoos. He had him in the 80s. Yeah, exactly. Is the reason Earth AD sounds the way it does. They were like, fuck this melody. Let's get it. Let's go fast. Yeah. Let's go fast for sure. So do you feel Chappelle like you have made it as a committed? No. What do you?

What's the goal? The goal, man. I mean... You want a sitcom? We love a sitcom. You know what I mean? Yeah, I love my own TV show. I would love to, you know, take my stand-up to newer heights,

and I want to, you know, hit it as big as I can. And, you know, I want to graduate from clubs to theaters. I want to graduate from theaters and to above and just be able to like, you know, and I also just want to continue to get smarter. You know what I mean? continue to gain knowledge because that's i feel like that's what's made me a better comedian for sure like reading and uh you know the information like in like not just writing comedy but also writing about what i feel and what i you know what is true inside of me and and yeah i want to just get

stronger and stronger at that what is the the largest club you've had to like that i've headlined i mean a headline but didn't i sell out uh uh uh probably one of the Improves out here, Braya Improv. I think it holds like 500. And I got over 200 in there. That's great. You know, which is, hey, not. I mean, it's such a different game.

Comedy and music is like, a lot of the time, going to a comedy show is so circumstantial. Like, I'm, I'm here. I'll go. But like, drawing on your own name. Yeah. Even 200 people in L.A. Where there's five different comedy shows in that block. There's so much entertainment going on throughout the, throughout the, throughout the,

you're not competing with comedians. anymore you're competing with net all the all the entertainment that's going on all the you know it's it's yeah it's like hard to sell tickets in l.a you know and also people buy last minute uh it's one of the things that drives me crazy is somebody being like pre sales are pretty low it's shut the what the hell up they're walking up they're walking up yeah i know it happened to be uh a headline this is my first headlining in l.a it was at hollywood improv which is the main room which i think seats like 175 and And I remember, you know, because I would get a lot of like, when are you going to headline LA, you know, from like fans and stuff.

And so I was like, finally, let's just make it happen. And I remember, I want to say the day before the show, I saw the ticket counts. It was 35 out of 175. And I go. And I went for it. I said, you know what? This is what I'm going to do. So I, you know, did like a post on Instagram.

I said to all the people that say, when are you going to headline LA? And then I posted the ticket counts. Ha. I said, this is why. And then eventually, but I did get like 150. All right. That's so, you know. Yeah, exactly.

So it's, it's something to consider, too, is these are, you know, it's different. It's different from a show, which is all standing room. Yeah. Yeah. The most part. So, you know, we're trying to fill 500-capped rooms as consistently as possible. Yeah. Not seated.

That's a small. Yeah, because what is 1720? 500. 900. 900? 9-100. 1720 is 900? 900.

And that's a big boy. I mean, that might be off the record, 900, but... This is a big boy. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. So it's... But with seats, that would be three, four hundred.

Yeah, yeah, three... A lot of space needed for tables and seats is so much bigger. Yeah. It's a different mindset. Because I think when, like, the L-ray, like, when you seat it, I think it's like 500 or something like that. But, like, L-ray is like... Is it L-ray, like, close to a thousand, I think? It's massive.

Yeah. So it's totally... Yeah. Standing room at... Different. It's completely different. Do you have, and like I know we can answer this for music, do you have a favorite set of all time?

Favorite set of all time? Favorite set of all time? Oh, my Noel Gallagher? So we played Main Road. Favorite set of all time, that's a good one. You walking off stage and being like, I was really good. Yeah.

I was really funny, and that's it. I think it was when I opened for my... buddy at the will turn well that's a big room big room yeah I just played there at the end of last year with Heybreed oh nice yeah it's a big old room you got a pit there yeah they pit no no no slant poetry yeah it was just something that like uh you know and that was when I was like you you're a theater guy like you can like theater comic like you can hold your weight you to you you were saying I felt it strongly you know what I mean there was this you know because like my style comedy you know a lot of it's like about me in my life but also like I had like a flare of like

you know people I do get a lot of compliments on like my facial like this stuff I can do with my face and like my friends always say but I bro she broke and make people laugh by just making a look I see you what I mean yeah yeah one where the were the woman like was flirting with you while you're oh yeah I was engaged I was I was ready for happy yeah so not sexually yeah I know yeah and uh I did not know what she looked like but yeah it was just like one of those sets i just felt it and like i felt everything i felt like i could have all the space that i needed and and it gave me all the room to like really make those jokes as big as they should be yeah do you uh play music when you walk out yeah what do you play uh yonkers Tyler crater that's and that's like this i feel like that's the

first thing i remember seeing of his and being like oh man this is going to be the biggest thing in the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a cool statement. Yeah. And also, like, I feel like it kind of matches, like, who I am as a comedian. I remember one, I went to, I was headlining at some venue in Austin. And this is, like, this had to be 2021 or something like that. And they were just playing Pantera.

And I was just like, hey, man. This is not the vibe. I know we're in Texas. Yeah, because, like, I don't have, like, and not everyone that comes to my show is, like, a fan of, like, that music. So, you know, I try to make it on. You don't want that. Yeah. And so, like, I try to make it a little bit easy.

I do like a you know more like a hip hop playlist, you know, but also I'll throw in like 3-11 turnstile on that stuff, you know, things a little bit more inviting to the situation. But like the hip-hop is more like a tribe called Quest and de la soul, you know, because it's like, it's easy, you know, it's easy to walk into, you know, whereas like they hear the Pantera, they're like, what the fuck? So there's some people that just don't know, they're like, you're like, you're like and honestly knowing that maybe worse. Yeah, that's terrible.

Yeah, see those ancient. Capital B. So yeah, yeah, I usually try to keep it, you know, chill. How about this? We do a thing, we do letter mosh, we do favorite records. We're gonna do both with you. Okay. But I would love to hear your Mount Rushmore, your top four comedians, all time. Okay, Richard Pryor.

Yeah. Um, Daniel Tosh. dude a god and he's still fucking god he still got it he like chooses not to do so and I love him for like so many reasons

he does it but like everything is just on his own terms he's not like he's not part of a clique he's not part of a scene he is just the lone wolf of Daniel Tosh and he has a podcast that he does right now

that is like really good episode one his wife's gynecologist and he has no he has no comedians on it and like I love him for so many reasons because I admire that. Like I don't want to be part of like, you know, crew or click on like me. I've just, it's just like, it's not out of like a disrespect.

It's just like, I just feel better when I just can do my own thing. And I have a long wolf, dude. Yeah, I just love it. Yeah. And so, so Daniel Tosh. Oh, man, you got me. Would it be Bill Burr. Life on the Sunset trick?

Oh, for Richard Bryant. Yeah. How you know that? I know something. Okay. Yeah. Hell yeah. But I know that's the one, and I know that you know how that starts, that set.

People are leaving because they think the show's over. There was like some miscommunication with the doors and times and someone before him. And he literally has to be like, where are you going? And like call people back to their seats. Wow. It's crazy. It's one of the great. And he gets them all back and he gets the shows.

And he, he, I mean, like, reason for Richard Pryor being like number one is, you know, his level of vulnerability. he was so honest about like his life on stage and you didn't see that in comedy like yet and like he was like the first guy to really open that door of being honest about what was going on in his life and like made jokes about setting himself yeah setting on so far that's my dad's fair to me yeah which like people like you know like yeah people want to hide that stuff you know because they don't have the humility you know and and so like yeah i'm very open about like a lot of things in my life and very honest and a lot of it goes to you know because of Richard Pryor And like, you know, Daniel Tosh was because I just love how, he just says the crazy shit.

He's just ruthless. That's another thing where it's like intelligence. It's intelligence and like his, how ruthless he is. It's just he, and then he gets away with it. And, you know, and then I would say Bill Burr and Bill Burr because of like. To this day. Obviously, you know, everyone knows the Philly story. That's how you bomb.

That's how you bomb. And that's how you like, you bomb the audience. Yeah, you're like, I'm, I'm socking all you, all you people with this. But no, with him, you know, it was a beautiful thing of like, this guy, this guy's an angry guy. His foundation is angry, but he brings it into the world of funny. And, you know, that's something I can appreciate because I've gone through anger management since I was like 15 years old. So, so, like, hearing him do that and be able to project that the way he does, like, I really, really, truly admire. He also does anger with a perspective that I wouldn't normally consider.

Dude, I hear him and I go, he's right. He's right. I don't think about it that way. Yeah, yeah, because he's such an, he really steps outside of it to like really, you know, throw what he can. And a lot of it's because I don't think he's like, he's like, don't we realize both, both of these arguments are crazy? You know, like he's really good at staying like in that middle ground part of it. And then last one at least, I'd say Eddie Murphy. You know, Eddie Murphy because of like the strength of his career, you know, one of my favorite things about Eddie Murphy is when he's on stage, you know, and he does a character or anything, you no longer see Eddie Murphy, you see exactly that, which is, I mean, a strength, strength beyond strength.

Yeah, that all comes back to fill. Yeah, right. That, you know, a lot of, I mean, even to this day, a lot of comedians just don't know how to like do it. It's a very, very powerful thing when he doesn't act out and you're like, I don't see any anymore. I just see an Italian man. You know what I mean?

Like I see the character. Rocco, yeah, Rocco, yeah. Like, it's crazy. Crazy, yeah. Are you a delirious or a raw guy? Oh, man. I say raw. Really?

Raw is one I probably like ripped through the most. Raw, he's wearing the red thing. That's delirious. That's my favorite. That's probably my favorite Sam. He did that for those Richard Pryor. Yeah. And so, like an homage.

So what's crazy is he was 22 when he did Delirious and 24 when he did Raw. Think about that. Wow. It's unreal. You can see why it's like, oh, this is about to be the biggest star in the world. Biggest star. And then like, yeah, obviously it's transitioned into movies and stuff like that. And like, you know, 48 hours and obviously up to like Nutty Professor, you know, like.

All goaded. All goaded. Norbit, dude. No, dude. He's unbelievable. Norbert is maybe the movie. I've seen the most in my life. Norbit, Resfusia?

Like, it's unreal. It's unreal. It's unreal. He was still operating at unimaginable levels in Norbit. Norbert does not get it through.

Norbert does not get his due. Anyone that likes Norbit, like they love it. That's real shit, dude. Like anyone that ever done on Norbett community. Yeah, there's a Norbett community.

We're out of here. You've heard of Reddit? Your Reddit? R-Slapped. Yeah. We're out there, we're out there, dog. The admin of R-Set.

Yeah, you'll find me out of there. Wow. Okay, I'm glad to find another Norbit head. Yeah, dude, come on. You know who have big Norbit heads? Trapping our ice. Really? Yeah, yeah.

They're big norbit heads. It's big. It's a community, man. It's like the Jeep community. It is. The Jeep wave, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, the stuff. Yeah.

I'm going to start leaving little rasputis on all the Vucet on. You're going to love it. That would be hilarious. Does comedy, like, something we experience, that there's like a what's the word I'm looking for here parisocial the parisocial aspect of

of podcasting and music where like people that watch our show send us reels all day you got people send you reels and I don't even be looking at that I'm actually what do you why would I like this reel and how do you assume I haven't seen this real

and also I assume I haven't been sent it a dozen times Dozen times. Yes. And the cooler with the reels, all right? We make them. Yeah. We don't need.

Yeah. I've consumed them enough. I've consumed too many. Okay, so you're getting real soon. Yes. That makes me feel better. Yeah, yeah, it happens. Another crossover with wrestling music and it sounds like comedy is the people who they think we're friends.

Yeah. I know you. Yeah. I watch you all the time. I know you. Oh. There was one time actually, I don't remember where I was. Somewhere in the Pacific Northwest.

This dude just came up and he just started talking shit to me. What? And he was at the show. I said, excuse me? He's like, ah, man, you know, I was like, bro, I don't know you. I was like, what are you doing? He was like, let me get a picture. I said, you can get a fuck out of my face.

Say, that's what you can do. You know what I mean? Like, real talk, you know, I was like, you don't get no picture. He was like, come on, man, get this man, stop being a bitch ass. I'll go, bro. That's crazy. Again, you don't want it. You know, I was like, you're not getting a picture.

You won't like that picture. You know, I will front flip. Yeah. And then security just caught a vibe. And then security was big, dude. He had the biggest hands. And he just came up and, like, just grabbed the dude or whatever and, like, took him off. Because I was just like, yo, like.

What has happened? You know, I was like, this is about to be on film, bro. Your friends are going to film this. You know, it was just crazy. You know, because he assumed because he listened to the, like, like, podcast that I'm on and, like, you know, seeing me and my friends like, you know, how we go at each other and they sometimes think that they can do it too. And this is like too comfortable. So like, yeah, and I'm, I'm just not that guy. They'll make a joke or something, the no riff thing. Bozo. Bozo. For example. Great name.

But that's for me. But if somebody comes up to you, it's like, what's up, Bozo? I'm like, you know, you haven't. And it's like, bro, we've never met. It's like, I don't even know you at all. Does it happen to you where, you know, we record whatever comes out weeks later? And people, like they'll be like oh just so you know and you're like dude the brand of that air conditioner that year was actually i got corrected i got corrected on a type of air conditioner and i was like that was a month ago really i have no idea what you're talking about yeah i know exactly yeah there's some things they'll say that i'm like i have no clue i'm like once i'm done with it it's like it's gone yeah it's just gone from thank you for listening but this isn't scripted yeah yeah just

fucking talk exactly yeah but it lives in perpetuity and we got i do i do uh i do hate the amount of like opportunity people can have to like tell you their opinion on shit that you do do do you read comments um i'll read comments but a lot of times like it's just like um i think earlier on it used to like be annoying but a lot of times i'm like they literally don't know who i am yeah so it's like they're saying things that like doesn't even or you go to their page and you're just like oh man you are going to kill you yeah it's inevitable yeah i've seen look at it i see the house i see the no good i can I see that the wife is not in the current. She's out of the bias.

Yeah, she's down in the 2019 pictures. She is not in the 2025 pictures. You're ready to go. I can't read him. It's saying about me. I mean, there was one comment where someone was like, what does this guy say? I was on Bobby Lee's podcast, and this guy was like, why y'all keep bringing his Chappelle around?

He ain't it. And I was like, fine, dude, I'll quit. You know? And then he goes, finally you say something funny. I was like, all right, I'm coming back then. Now I'm back. What's good, dude. Yeah, I'm back, dude.

You gave me all the courage, you know? But yeah, it's just like, a lot of times I don't, you know, I used to, like, take it, like, a little serious because I'm just like, who fucking you? But then there's literally nothing you could do about it. Absolutely. You know, there's literally nothing you could do about it. But it's just like, I hate that it's like, you know,

because there was a time where, like, you know, where you just put the art out out there and, like, whatever people said about it is what it was, you know? Or however people received. did, you know, that's how you could tell what it was, but it's like, I don't need, like, you to tell me anything specific or detail or whatever, blah, blah, blah,

because I'm like, you don't do it. Totally. You know what I mean? You just consume it. I just don't want to read it. Yeah. I'm off the sauce. Yeah, I don't want to know. Yeah, I get in my own head. Yeah, because it is. I don't think I could do what you do. Like, I truly

don't. Because music and even this, there's stuff that kind of speaks for me. you're speaking I never care if someone says I'm not funny or if I'm a hack or anything like that that doesn't bother me at all because it's like I'm still I just got

check just clear yeah yeah exactly yeah because it's like I mean it's all subjective you know what I mean like if someone says they don't think I'm funny well I'm like okay well there's fucking other other group over here that actually understands it and gets it and thinks I'm funny so there's tickets there's tickets so it's like

you know but as far as it goes like when we were talking Yeah, I want to sock somebody. Yeah. But we're talking about how comedians have made to crack the coat. One of the cons is that it is just, if somebody critiques my band or the song, it's like, well, there's five of us. There's five of us.

It took a year. I didn't write that riff. I told you it sucked. But so, yeah. No, it's all on you. And when, like, and when you're just up there and like, you just see that no one's laughing, you really feel it. You feel it.

You feel that. Is it interesting, like with music, like if you're playing with maybe a less heavy band or less aggressive band, but something that still kind of fits. Like when we play with Godflesh, of course people aren't killing each other. Right. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm ready for that. It's like, yeah, this is what we're doing. Comedy, it doesn't really work that.

No. Yeah. What's a mixed one thing? In comedy. Different styles? Yeah. Music guy, guitar guy and. Juggling.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, I've performed with like jugglers and stuff like that. Really? Yeah. Straight up. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But no one wants to follow that.

Because they're dope as hell. Oh, bro. It was, you know. Dude, magic? Unbelievable. Dude, dude, I mean, this is a guy juggling and, like, telling a joke at the same time. You're like, I'm not, I'm, I can't follow that. You know, then you go up there, you're like, hey, so the other day I was, you know, hanging out.

I wasn't juggling. You know, right? You're just a regular speaker, you know what I mean? What's, how do you, so crowd work? Yeah. What's the process there? Is what's the art behind working? I mean, you just gotta listen.

A lot of people. A lot of people will deliver. A lot of people will say things to you, and they don't even mean to. But a lot of people will let you know everything that you need to know about them. That will be willing the gun for you. And they don't even, like I'm telling you,

it's not even their attention to like get you to make them, make fun of whatever it is that they're delivering to, but they can just, you know what I mean? And I don't do things of like, I don't really care what you do for work. And that's not a lot of times

as much as like, who are you? Yeah. I'm like, why, I'm going, why do you, why do you, why'd you, like, I'll do shit like, why'd you dress this way tonight? And that's, yeah. What do you say? And then, and then, fuck, man, isn't me? I don't know.

Yeah, exactly. You know? So that's kind of like what I do. Sure. Yeah. Remember that beast milk band I talk about all? Yeah, is that? Bees milk seven inch.

And I don't have that color. So. Oh, the blue? Yeah, I don't have the blue. Beautiful. You want to see if we can find some of your favorite records in the world? Let's see if we can. Because I think there's L.

I want to know your four favorite hardcore records all the time. I want to see if we can find a couple. No, let's see if we can find anyone. I mean, one of them will be able to find for sure. Yeah, for sure. I'm going to the bees. Yeah. Just kidding, guys, there's bright eyes.

A couple tracks. A couple tracks. Here we. There we go. There it is. First four. You got first four. What do you think of that?

Of course. You can point to. Of course. I love the beauty of first four, because, yeah, you have the first, like, three singers of Black Flag, you know, like, you got Keith, Ron, and Des, and just, you know, what they were doing. Henry is your guy. Henry is definitely my guy.

And always, always, always 1,000 percent. I love it. 1,000 percent. Is there a specific Black Fly record that is, that's the one? Yeah, it's on the Rushmore. Can I say it yet or no? Yeah, please. Hey, let's hear, let's hear.

Oh, damage. Damage. Damage. Damage is my record, yep. Damage is the, I mean, that is Bible to me. Was that Rollins' first full length? Yeah, yeah. Do you like slipping in?

I like slip it in, yeah, yeah. I like slip it in, yeah, I do like it. I think I like watching them do it live, but I do like the, but there's just something about that, you know, just the way that record hits immediately would rise above and, you know, and just, you know, spray paint the wall. and you know like tracks like no more police story you know what I mean and they're doing the 3,000 tickets at the palladium yeah depression and like you know just it

just those just like hitting a way that like they so that's always say this like that's like the corn and like slip knot like the new metal stuff like that helped me understand like what I was in but you know punk and hardcore was like here's what you're gonna do about it? I like that. We're awesome. I liked that. Good sisters,

you're good. You're good. You're good. I like me. I like when you say so. What's, that's from Confucius. I like when you face it.

So we got number, we got one on the Mount Rushmore. Damage. Damage. Give me number two. Let's see if we can find number two. We can't find it. DRI dealing with it.

Ooh. I love. DRI. Are you a crossover guy in general? So I, uh, it's not, yeah, uh, no, not necessarily. DRI just does it. The DRI was just, uh, it just packed such a strong punch. I think the first song I heard from DRI was I don't need society. And when I heard that, you know, numbers up, you have to go. Systems. And I didn't even know anything about war or army or anything, but it was just like, I took it the approach of like, this is like, like, uh, You know, like, I don't need my stepdad.

There's something in it for us. Yeah, there's something in it. It wasn't like, because I was like, I don't know anything about military or whatever, blah, blah, blah. But it was just, you know, like being 14 years old and hearing, I don't need society. But it was just like, I don't need, yeah, I don't need my stepdad. I don't need my stepdad. Before he and I really knew each other. Yeah.

I interpreted Preacher Man on my own and it fit my situation, totally different situations. I was in my 20s. Yeah. I just think there's, there's, that's the point. It is clay and you can shape it. Yeah, and the songs you write, they're not yours anymore. Once they're out there. Once they're out there, yeah.

Every song I like is about me. Yeah. I think, yeah, Donald Glover says something about, like Donald Glover Childers Campino was some interview where he talked about like basically what, like what you put out there, like, and they're asking, like, they were asking him in an interview, like, what's that song about?

He goes, whatever you think. is what how'd you interpret it you know what I mean like you know just it doesn't have to be like this is all the songs about and that's it and it's like a lot of times it's not tarentino-esque you know yeah all the great stories I mean don't you don't need to spell it all off me give you some no let me just let me feel it figure it out all right so we got DRI we got black flag it's number three minor threat uh I mean the power behind that band is just It's like it just it just fucking really really uh I mean there's there's so much to say by it but it's timeless and you know with it with the opening with the filler and then following

and I don't want to hear it and you know then to seeing red and you know especially seeing red like you see me and you laugh it loud and I felt that way like as a kid too and you know it's feeling alienated and never feel like you could connect with a lot of people and uh you know, that was like a record that like, here's your individuality. Hold on to that. Absolutely. You know, that's what like that, like, that's what the, whatever, the first two seven inches, I think is what they titled it or whatever.

The record ends with the song, minor threat. Yeah, exactly. Which just leaves you. Yeah. I got to start the song. Yeah, exactly. So you're just, yeah, just holding on to all that and it's like, I don't know, it's just beauty to me. I don't like to say that there's like, you have to like this.

You have to, you know, there's, there's guides. But I do think the minor threat record is like one of them. The minor threat, the minor threat record. The minor threat record is a pillar. Yeah. That you got to have to have an appreciation for this. Yeah, 1,000%. All of your favorite bands would agree.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's perfect. Yeah, if you don't have an out of step or bars logo or, you know, or the fiends skull, you know, the band in DC, you know, the lightning, or that lightning. Those are earned. Earned. Earned.

Earned. Those are earned with blood. When I got my bars local tattoo, where is it at? Right here, I think. When I got the bars logo tattoo, it was actually because I was doing a, for English class in college, they were like, we had to do a paper on our favorite author, and I chose Henry Rawlins. And I remember I was in the middle of, like, writing it, and I was getting so hyped.

And I was just like, like, explaining just like, why this dude and His words mean so much to me. And I hit my friend up, I was like, hey, yo, man, I was like, I'm gonna get the bars logo right now. He goes, right now, I go, yep, let's go get it. And the paper was like, do tomorrow or whatever. That was part of the paper. And so, yeah, now it's part of the paper.

So then I went, left and got it, and then boom, finish the paper. Beautiful. Yeah. Are you getting the band fan? Yeah, yeah, of course, man. Those stories are crazy. No, I haven't. He reads it.

Oh, he reads it? I have to listen to that. And I'm not an audio book guy. I have to be a guy that's like, neither of mine. But like his voice? Does he elaborate on stuff that's not in it? They'll expand on stories and they'll give you a little more background.

And it's so obviously him and his voice and the way, I don't know, just when you hear an inflection and like the attitude of how he meant a sentence, it changes, you know. And it is something that I will throw on if I'm like, I don't go to fucking tour, man. I want to go home. This sucks. And then it's like, oh, yeah, I was in a gear truck for eight hours in the dark. The one thing that you hear from a lot of like these, like a lot of those like old punk documentaries or punk interviews, it's like they always talk about how hard black flag went. They were the band. They were the band.

They practiced hard. They played hard and they just, they traveled hard. They would practice every day. Yeah. They practiced before the show. Yeah. They were practice. Yeah, there was a one year like, they were practicing on like Christmas.

Christmas morning. Yeah, Christmas morning. 1982. Yeah. The church. The church. Didn't be me. I'm busy that day.

I said couldn't beat me. I got a stocking waiting for me. What's number four? So I don't even know if number four would be in here because it's one of those like underground Swedish men that I like, but it's DS-13, and the record is called vaudevip beyond crigate. What does it mean?

Something about war. Yeah. What we fight for. Or something like that? How did you know that? I speak German, so it's a little... Oh, yeah. Oh, God, got a Swedish.

Yeah. Wow He's super power I think it I think it fully means What we know about the war What we know about war If you will

But that record was like You know I loved all that stuff man I'm gonna check it out I'd never listen to it Yeah And like The fact that it grabbed you

Like that's interesting to me That you were Punk kid And then I'm into this Yeah I find that interesting Do you have Like we ask people all the time

Like A favorite tour a band has done. Are you hitting the road with another comedian for a month? No, I haven't done anything like, oh, actually, Burt Kreisher. There, Ryan, yeah, what am I talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was my first time on a tour bus. I did an arena tour. I did some shows when I...

That's fun, all. And you're on the bus too? On the bus? He had a bus. He had... He had... It's custom, so it's comfortable. Yeah.

You know, it's so funny because he's got a picture of Martin Luther King, like, right when you walk in and I was like, Doc, I already agreed to do you know. Oh, I'm sorry. I meant that. Yeah, I was like, I already agreed. Yeah, right? It was like, you know, but yeah, that was so much fun.

It was me. I don't know if you heard of Adam Ray. Adam Ray does like a lot of the Dr. Phil. Yeah, character. Yeah, so we were on the Serena tour together and, you know, birth got like the most amazing fans. One night we got to kick in with Dave Chappelle

at like in in yellow springs or whatever. Did he freak out about your first name? So we, it was funny. So we were, so we were, we were, so Dave was like, you guys want to do IVs? And I was like, what? Like, just, like the, you know, the, you know, I've done one time. Yeah, he got, so like, yeah, I think he had like a nurse on call or on site or on call or whatever. And so she comes over and like me, him, Burt and a few other guys.

guys. We're all sitting in a circle. Adam Ray, you know, and we're just doing IVs hanging, talking about music. That's awesome. And Dave, uh, Dave, uh, let's see who can finish the fastest, you know. And squeeze the, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, and so we're sitting there chilling, and having a good time, we're talking about music. We're going off about, like, he loves Nirvana. Interesting. We were going off about Nirvana. And, uh, and then Burke goes, Dave, uh, I don't if you know if you know, he's been like, his name is Chappelle. And he goes, that's, that's your last name? And I was like, no, it's my first name. He goes, well, made the best Chappelle win and it starts squeezing it.

I'm just fucking with you. I was like, I was like with you. And it was like, it was like a moment where I was like, out of body experience. Yeah, out of body experience, you know, like to be around that guy for sure. That's really cool. And, you know, he's great storyteller, great conversation and just, you know, spoke so much knowledge on the world of comedy.

And Bernard asked him, he was like, how do you feel about like, like, someone to hate you get or whatever that, you know, like, you know, the backlash you get from some of your specials. He said it in such a simple way and, like, but powerful way. He was just like, I only pay attention to the people that are right there. He goes, I don't pay attention to people that did not come to the show. See, Dave's not reading comments. Yeah. He was like, I only pay attention to the people that are right there in front of me.

I love it. Because he goes, I know how they're reacting. I know how it's making them feel. And it's right there in front of me. He goes, someone that's not there. What does that mean? Okay. You know?

Let's talk about the road a little bit. Oh, man. I want to hear about. hotels I want to know your preferred hotel chain you know I like those boutique hotels Kempton oh okay not even on my radio I'm boozy yeah yeah you're up there what's your what's your protocol for what get in the room what's that one set one uh I do not do anything to the bed until like I'm ready to go to sleep yeah like I like talk or untuck that thing I don't talk it

yeah yeah oh dude every time up under there I'm like this fucking squeeze of me What's on TV? ESPN? ESPN. You're not a diner's driving and dives guy? No, no, I just leave it on ESPN because it plays constantly.

What if there's like YouTube? And I don't even watch sports heavy. Really? Yeah. You just, it's what, I mean. Yeah. So YouTube, a lot of times they have a TV for me in the green room.

It's what I ask for. I'm Beyonce. But, no, a lot of times they just have a TV in there and I'll watch skateboarding. That's cool. Yeah, I just have like skateboarding playing. Kind of get in the zone.

Yeah, yeah. There's a flow. Yeah. You talked about skating earlier. Is that something you still do? From time to time, I haven't done it in a minute. I tried to do it as much as I can, but I haven't done it. Because I slammed really hard before a show.

And it was a pretty hard slam. Can you do a front side grind? Yeah, yeah. Underdog says that's the best trick. That's all I've heard. How about food? Ask them some food. Oh, man.

So you eat good? Yeah, I eat pretty good. We love you. Yeah, I love you. You don't drink. You don't do anything. That's all we have. We eat.

It's all we have in this life. Yeah, that's all we have. What are you looking for on tour? Man, you know, I like the restaurants that are kind of like, you know, I don't like to go to the ones that like everyone's like you got to go to this restaurant because it's like feels very touristy to me. I want to go to something where it's like, what is that local restaurant? That's the key. I think that's the biggest key is like going to something like that. It's like, you know, because I, you know, because I, you know, you know, we know.

Rollins, he says whenever he goes on the road or if he goes anywhere to any country or any city or whatever, he does it, he will not do anything touristy he wants to be in the neighborhoods. He wants to like understand who these people are, what it is because you're going to get the most, that's where you're going to get all the authenticity of what that place is. So then let's pivot what are some favorites that you found with this method or any particular city or you're like, the food here is incredible. Every time I go to his, you know, Philly, these dudes, gosh, I wish I remember the name of the restaurant, but these dudes who own like the, they run, they have the own like shoe store, like, you know, where they sell like Jordans and stuff like that. They're called like Suplex or whatever, suplex shoe store. I'm so hungry.

Yeah, and they took me to this Philly Cheese Steak place that was kind of like hit it. Yeah. You know, and like they, they were where the guys getting there at like, 3 a.m. to start making the bread because the bread has to taste a certain way and like the way they do the meat and the cheese and the combo together and like they have like different styles and it was like so damn good and i never forget that place it was the name you know but the name yeah yeah i'm sorry i know the name yeah it's not i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry about that yeah yeah i got a gate keep i got a a gatekeep. Someone's going to say it in the comments,

sending. I hate gatekeeping, but this is, I'm going to gatekeep that one. Certain things you have to. Yeah. Now, on a day where let's say you're in a city where that luxury is not a fortitude. Yeah, you can't. The local eateries are maybe a little scary. What I found down from some like Jimbrose

on how to like, because like, I'm not eating that nasty that shit, whatever the fucking some of these other cities got. Because a lot of times I'm like, I'm not going in that fucking place. Sure. Eat your cheese skirts. Oh, wow. We don't got a lot up there. But you know what saves me on the road if I just want to eat something, like, healthy or whatever?

Is chick-fil-a, I'll just get grilled chicken nuggets. They're the best. And then... A little farty. A little farty. And then I'll do, like, the kale salad. And that, like, saves me. Yeah.

The thing about those and this, we're kind of getting into the weeds, the macros on those chicken nuggets are excellent. Really good. Oh, they are? Yeah, big time. Oh, I don't even know. The grilled nuggets. I just know.

I just, like, found that. Like, I was, like, On YouTube, I was like, things you can eat while on the road by, like, I don't know, like, I don't know what the, by gym bros or whatever. And they literally, like, literally broke down, like, Chick-fil-A, what you get there. Obviously, Chipotle is, like, another one that saves people, you know. But, yeah, those, like, that's, usually from an area where it's like, they ain't got nothing that I'm, like, won't even like, oh. You know. You want to get a little naughty.

What is what? What's your poison? Food-wise. What is my poison? Yeah. the worst fast food that you're like, I'm just going to do it. Taco Bell. Yeah, man.

What can you do? What can you do? What can you do? Gosh, I mean, I'll load a-in-lawed-all-guess-wronged. Gosh, I mean, I'll load a-a-chreeper with a peanut-cheas burrito with a potato with a centa-bund delights, and I'll get nacho fries, man. I'll freaking... It's a lot of Mexican food, but it doesn't taste like anything else. It's a planet of its own Chalupas, man

Oh, dude, I love a chinoon. Chicken chalupa. I feel like so sad about myself and I'll just be in my own You're never happy about it In my underwear, just like Just getting the cheese out of it Right, bahaw, yeah, right? Baja all day

Baja all day Game Changer There's something about you that is just I want you to win Yeah, I appreciate that. I think that's kind of the universe sentiment is like from everybody everybody know that knows you it's just like in this lovely day we've had yeah I feel good you feel good I feel good talking about

I feel good I feel good I try to make things good I used to be crazy and it comes to me all right you still crazy a little hell yeah okay when has it come out what'll do it actually man we won't worry about that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we won't worry about that he's a good yeah good yeah good yeah he's a good good boy is that a John John yeah yeah It's a good girl, yeah. A man. Chillie dog.

No, it's Tom Petty. Tom Petty. Melanchamp. Yeah. Tom Petty, Cougar Molokane. Tom Pilly, Prince Millicamp. Stuck out of a hot dog. No, yeah.

You know, yeah, you know, I don't even want to, like, be crazy anymore. I just, I love, like, everything that I'm doing, everything where I'm at and just, you know, I feel like I've gotten really good at, like, cutting out bullshit and just, like, letting things exist where they exist and like focusing on the things that are like more important like yeah I just want to stay grounded you know like yeah as I like reached new heights I mean you know I sold out my first weekend ever in Chicago incredible at Zanis and the shows were sold out before I even got there that's you know that is from a band's point of view that's the best feeling and yeah like you're not hometown and it's sold out in pre-sale that's the best yeah and so I was just like whoa and

like getting there and you know having an experience and then you know I also want to stay like grounded and I'll let that like get to my head. I don't want to be walking out like you, you know. And don't give me wrong, I'm always going to embrace those moments and feel like, you know, like I feel it in a different way than I do of like of arrogance, you know what I mean?

Like I just appreciate it like, damn, this is like it's really, really paying off, you know, but don't get me wrong. When I had to go to Appleton, Wisconsin, who, uh, wow. Yeah, I had to follow a sold out weekend to Appleton. I was like,

you ever been there? Taylor's from there. Oh, from there. Rural. Have you ever been there? No. Dude. I'll never be there.

It is. I don't ever have any reason to do. My girlfriend and two of the dudes in my band are from there. They're from Appleton. Like in the area, one is from Appleton. Yeah. But it's all one thing up there. And yeah, it's different.

But yeah, but other than that, like, you know, like it is, you know, I just, yeah, I just love being able to work and be able to create and be able to, like, gain knowledge. That's like the biggest things I love. You playing a band now? How you know that? I don't know. He's got his little bird. Can you tell me a little bit more? I'm a hard war.

Can you tell me a little bit about it? Yeah, I have a, wow. Okay, yeah. I have a band called Mad Peaceful, which is basically the name comes from, like, who I am. You know? Yeah, and so it's like a kind of play on words as well. And, uh, but I, you know, during the pandemic, we didn't have any, like, comedy stuff was like just all shut down and yeah the only thing that was like really open was like

practice spaces for bands and so there's a few comedian comedians uh my homie joel Jimenez and uh my homie ryan Clark um they you know they're also comedians but they also like joel's a drummer Ryan's a bass player and then we have a buddy named Chris uh who's a guitar player that Joel had brought into the picture and then I had brought him one of my really good friends from back home in Arizona, Sky Chase, and we just started doing cover songs, right? Awesome. Are you singing? Yeah, and I sing, yeah. And then one day I came in with an original and they were like, I was like, is this, is this cool? Very clear or musical? On guitar. Oh wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah,

you're a riffer, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I came in with the original and they were like, all right, let's run it, you know, and I was just like, really? For me? You know, And then I just kind of had the energy and just kept flowing it from there. And then, you know, I had played some stuff for Toby Morris. And he was, you know, a big encouragement. Like, yo, man, what did you guys do a show? Why don't you guys record some things or whatever? And so we kind of just took it from there.

And, you know, and, yeah, people book us. It's like funny. That's what's up. Yeah, we were book us. I mean, we played program, you know, played a lot of spaces. Obviously, Luis from Alpha and Omega. He's booked us on some stuff before. A friend of the show.

Yeah, yeah. Took me on all my first tours. Yeah, yeah. What a juxtapose that, though. Burr-Krecher arena stuff, tour bus, program. Yeah, cool. That's what this show is about. Yeah, it's being both, you know.

And then we played a show with, like, kind of soft guard. We played also Death by Stereo. I got to give them a lot of love because they put us on some shows at, like Alex's Bar and Wayfair. early favorite for me sink or swim oh dude and by the way and what's really cool about that

you know the circle of that is Paul Minor has done like a lot of our recordings Oh it has it yeah We love Paul Minor like he's great He did Big Kiss Good Night Right?

Yeah yeah he did yeah And keepers of faith Yeah he's done he's done a lot He's done a lot And so Yeah we played a show We randomly met Trey Cool Oh, that's cool.

And because his wife has a punk man called One Less Zero, and they were on that Death by Stereo show with us, and we were all like, man, wouldn't it be funny if Trey Cool showed up? And then me and Joe were backstage, and Joe was, like, getting his drums, and all of a sudden the gate opens. We were, like, looking for it, like, a car to come in or whatever and walks Trey Cool.

And then he starts talking to my drum, he goes, I like that snare. And my drum was like, you do? Yeah, right, yeah. And so. Dude, that's one of the most. secret rippers of all the time. Trey? He has no business being that

He is absolutely insanely good. The right hand? He's doing 16th. Dude, the whole time. And just like effortlessly. So he watched our band play. He goes, I'm going to watch you guys. That's special.

And he was like screaming. He was like filming us. He goes, let me air drop these two. You filmed us like we were his kids. You know? And then like a fast forward to like I want to say like a year or so later they asked us to play a show

and it happened to be Billy General Armstrong's cover band called the cover-ups and we played at the Tiki in Costa Mesa Tiki Bar, whatever it's called and that was like one of the craziest shows I think we played because it's sold out and people were there

like from the start of the show wow that's awesome and it was like that's probably the biggest one What kind of I have purpose this band playing? I had curiosity they do everything yeah you know they do everything from like

they did a They did a Van Halen cover, they do a Misfitz cover, you know what I mean? So they kind of like range it, you know. Love it. Bus Cox. You know, they'll be bus cock covers. You know, like kind of stay like this, you know,

unique range of what they do. Beautiful. Yeah, it was so much fun. What was the name of the band again? Mad Peaceful. That's crazy. I'm always shocked when there were people coming to me at my show. They're like, man, I love Mad Peaceful.

And I go, how do you know who I am? You really know who I am. We care. We care. That's why we're here. This was such a beautiful day. Yeah? Yeah.

It's good. A lovely chat. Are there any imparting words you would like to leave the hard little world with? Yeah. Read. Just read. How is Reed? You won't feel it.

I think the thing that I've learned for myself with reading is like you won't think the world is as crazy as what you, you know, are surrounded by. You'll start to, like, see a different perspective and you'll help you stay grounded and not so, like, intense and relax. and at ease. Wow. No one's ever advised for reading. I'm going to learn to read. And it's all thanks to you. I'm going to take reading classes.

I'm going to do it. Figure it out, man. Thank you for joining us. Yes. No, this was amazing. Thank you guys. Yes. Chappelle Lacey.

Yes. On tour, probably by you soon. Yes. Mad, peaceful. Seven inch out soon on hurdle records. Yeah. See you all next week. Bye.