HardLore - Soft Songs By Hard Bands

Episode Date: December 7, 2023

When hard bands go soft... Today on HardLore we explore our favorite "soft" songs played by bands that are normally much harder. Not every ballad is soft and not every soft song is a ballad. We're here to fill the gaps and educate the HardLore listeners by expanding their musical palette, because we all know that the hardest thing a band can truly do is sing about their feelings or take a sonic risk. THE HARDLORE AWARDS, live at Brain Dead Studios Fairfax in Los Angeles, California on December 18th, get tickets now: https://link.dice.fm/N668dfab0647 Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef This episode is brought to you by ATHLETIC GREENS! Try AG1 at athleticgreens.com/HARDLORE to receive a free 1-year supply of vitamin D and 5 travel packs of AG1. Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe Check out our merch at https://knotfest.com/store/?view=hardlore Find all of our videos at https://knot1.co/3vWXsbx #HardLore   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Yes, sir. Let's make history. I might leave that in. You got to start it. Hello, welcome. It's hard lore time. How are you, Bo? Oh, I'm good.

I'm frazzled. I'm a little frazzled. You're frazzled by this topic we've chosen? We, I feel as though I have to put a disclaimer out because we were on one idea and they did the complete opposite about two hours ago. I got to keep you on your toes or what's the point, you know? So if my. list seems a little rough, I promise that's why.

Hey, wouldn't be nothing new, my right, brother. Nah, I'm just kidding. Today, we are gathered here to talk about a topic that is very important to both of us, I would say. Very specific kind of song, you know? Yeah, usually, and usually it's like, especially for hardcore. Yeah, we got to talk, we got to talk about parameters and all this stuff, but especially for hardcore, it's like typically won a record.

unless it's the whole record. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? We'll get into all that and just kind of what this means. But yeah. We're here to talk about soft songs by hard bands.

Yes. It's a beautiful thing when it's done the right way. Correct. I totally agree. And for anybody keeping score, that means we were going to do hard songs by soft bands. So I had to really like switch things right. But the reason that's,

that will be more. satisfying as a sequel to this. A hundred percent agree. Because that meant, that means we're not talking about hardcore music for two hours. You know, we're talking about other stuff, which I would love to expand the palette of the listener. Exactly. But that's not really why we're here.

Exactly. Exactly. We're here to refine the palette of the listener and show them the way and show them that within hardcore music within the greater spectrum of hardcore metal rock, it's to let your side shine. Sometimes it's the best. Sometimes it's the best song a band will ever write. So what are you considering?

Let's get into the parameters. What's a hard band? A hard band, you know, something that is generally considered, like aggressive, even rock music can be hard. Hard rock has its own cafe,

has a casino that I lose a lot of, money at. It's a lot of things. You know, most of my picks are hardcore metal adjacent. Okay. Yeah, good. I want to be on my phone a bit, but it's my list, you know, and you just made me think of one. So that's good. And I fully agree. I think like anything that really isn't like pop or even, one could argue that like there's hard hip hop, but that's not, again, that's not really. I mean, yeah, that's a different discussion for a different day. Hip hop is as hard as anything. Yeah. Yeah. So that's not really what we're going to talk about. But then it's pretty much guitar music. It's palm muting music. Okay. I like that. Palm muting music. Yeah. Okay. I like

palm meeting music. Why don't, I would love if you went first. Yeah. Okay. Here's a fun one. I don't want to start with a technicality. Okay. Good. You know, so, so don't consider this technicality. Okay. Boy music is inherently hard. Yes. It's, it's kind of both. isn't it? Wow. It's blue collar. It's anti-establishment. The premise of OI is fuck you. Coxbar is the best OI band.

My favorite, for sure. On the best OI record ever Shock Troops lies a little song towards the end. Yeah. Called Out on an Island. Beautiful. That could bring the world together, you know? If you take somebody aside,

you say, this is Oi, this is an Oi band. They'll go, I love oi. I guarantee you I could show my dad and mom out on an island tomorrow. And they'd say, buddy, that was beautiful. They say, oh, I might. What was that? And then I show them to take them all. Yeah, yeah.

And it's, hey, kill everybody. So that's a soft song by an overall hard band. Okay. I'm going to give one of my prime examples then. Please. I'm going to go with a Kromag song. The only one. That was my next pick.

is a perfectly, when I, I think it's about Krishna, I think. Probably. He talks about Lotus Eyes and like all this stuff. You know, there's symbolism. I think it's a Christian song. It could be a love song though, you know? So when they played the Rumble this year, he introed it by saying like, this song can be about a lot of things, but I'm going to, tonight I'm deciding it's about my wife.

So, yes, it can be about a lot of things, I think. Dude, beautiful song. It's a beautiful song with a cool ass bass and then guitar intro and then the like five different variations of of 7-8-5-7. Like just a bunch of that shit. I mean, he took all those. Those are all taken. 7-8-5-7 is gone. You got to add a six to not be chromax.

Yeah. The only one is the first time they had ever done anything like this in the disguise. Like if you go chronologically, if you go Asia Quarral into this, you get to this song and it's like, I have to imagine old heads were like, what the fuck is this? Yeah, because it's singing, singing. Yeah. Singing, singing. It sounds like a love song.

Yeah. Very melodic. It takes two younger chuckleheads like you and I to objectively peel back and say, no, this is good. When Chromeags with John Joseph started coming back around in the like 2009, 2010, there was a show at the subtee and Shane of the killer and the rumble in a million shows. every fucking heavy show, pitted to only crush the demoniac. And as he was like walking out, someone was like, oh, shame. And he was like, he said only best wishes songs. That's like what he said.

And that was my first like, oh, I should check out that record, I guess. You know, like I hadn't gotten there yet. And I heard that song. And I was like, okay, this is a cool song. Sounds a little bit like a certain Iron Maiden song. But this is a good song. And then you kind of get down the line and you hear the only one. And that was the one that got me.

Oh, really? Yeah. So in my opinion, I mean, Death Camps rocks also. There's a lot of tracks. The age of choral, the song. Yeah. Is the hardest, is as hard of a pit as Apocalypse now. And you can go, gong, gong, gal. That's insane, dude. Yeah, it's great. So if you're curious, if you haven't checked out best wishes, that I'd say start there. Or start to track one. You never know.

Start from the top. The artwork alone, it'll get anybody. So cool. That's an incredible record. My next pick, a little band called Converse. on the album No Heroes. Okay. There's an epic opus. It's like a two-part track featuring on main vocals, Jonah Jenkins from Only Living Witness,

a song called Grimheart Black Rose. Haunting song. Haunting song that builds to this insane back and forth with Jonah and Jake. Yeah. That's like kind of where it first gets aggressive for the first time in the entire song. Yeah.

but still is the most melodic section of the song because of Jonah. See, this is two of my favorite things. Yes. Colliding. One of the people who you do. One of the guys I've been attempting to personify my whole musical career. Truly, that's one of their best, one of their coolest songs, like composition. And that's my favorite record overall.

Amazing. I'm a no heroes man. Sue me, you know? Take me to court. I won't. So what's fun. for me is it can always come back to youth crew and youth crew has a plethora of like kind of soft songs based on a genre of like pure like youthful aggression right yeah 100% um turn the fuck has got got

ballads man some of them and turning point as i've said a million times it's like of one of my favorites the song behind this wall it starts with an acoustic guitar and it's got like full on singing and um it was of it i forget exactly how it worked, but it was of like a three-part thing. It was the last thing they did before they either broke up or before Skip died, one of the two. Was that, did that stray from the way that they sounded on that song? A thousand percent. Okay. So like there would, they were a band that would kind of like, maybe there'd be a hook and he'd get a little melodic, but never the whole song. He would, there would be shouting 90% of the song. This song is the opposite.

and the majority of it is all melodic. And the instrumentation's great. The story is like it's about building up a wall around yourself and and wanting to reach someone who's behind the wall. So it's Pink Floyd's the wall. It's that. It's about Pink Floyd's the Wall. It's a fucking awesome song. I've seen bands cover it and play the guitar part incorrectly, which always bothers me.

Dude, how brutal is that? It's brutal. One of the main reasons that we cover Master Killer so often is because, of the amount of times I've seen Master Killer Butchered. I've seen Master Killer butchered by people who play in Marauder. Breaks my heart. Diggat diga diga diga do down. It's that. Just do that.

Don't do anything less than that. It's a tricky part. Leo showed it to me and it's pretty well. Anyway, not enough about Marauda. Yeah, yeah. This isn't about, today's not about Marauder. I swear to God.

My next pick would be, there's a lot of crowbar songs I could have chosen. Yeah. That is truly like for the true metal fan, the riff guy, the hardest emotional music in the world. Yes. Period. Yes. I chose, and this was tough, because it's not a thoroughly soft song.

Okay. But when you measure it to the rest of the discog and you listen to the lyrics, the lasting dose is like you and your boys are arm and arm tears in your eyes sing along to this song this is the opening track from Sonic Excess Okay

It's like I think it's the most melodic Crowbar song Oh interesting Especially in the context of opening an album Was very ambitious being like If you go from fucking Conquering opening one record What's the

first song of broken glass. Is it broken glass? I think so. It's unbelievable. It's super melodic. It's beautiful. It's powerful. It might not be technically soft. Like there's crazy riffs and it is still kind of aggressive and driving. But it is, it is beautiful and it is emotional and powerful. With Crowbar specifically, it's like every song is quote unquote soft, you know what I mean? while being the hardest, heaviest song. After, by, by, Oddfellow's rest, that was really the case. It was like, hey, man, I like music, I swear to God.

Yeah. Or before, like, self-titled and Broken Glass are most are like, dude, borderline hardcore songs on there. Conquering, starting with, too, got, got, got, by itself. Yeah. Tell me, that's more hardcore than most things. And then by Oddfellow's rest, they found that balance of like, yeah, this is all insanely melodic, even the hardest songs.

The best rifts, pound for pound of any band ever. They're one of those bands that impress me by kind of like Cannibal Corpse, where it's like, granted, I think the spectrum of what Crowbar can do is a bit broader than what Cannibal Corpse can do. The fact that Cannibal Corpse is still innovating. by doing the same thing. It should be studied. Yeah. Who else? Who else is doing that?

Nobody. Crowbar. Crowbar. Iron Maiden. Like, yeah. You know, like your end, those are, hey. Like bolt drawer just stopped

because they couldn't do it again. Yeah. They said we can't do this again. So we're done. Here's the best one. Here's the best one. Wait, I don't have anything else.

Crowbar will never say that. Cannibal courts will never say that. You know what? I'm bringing it back to order. Now listen. The majority of the song is pretty heavy. Oh my God. But find my way on five deadly venom's. Wow. For anyone who doesn't know, please pause this, listen to this song right now. When you get to the bridge. That comes in like a fucking freight train. Little, little tempo increase. It's kind of the same riff from Unify, just sped up. Interesting. Yeah.

Dude, that part rocks and to me makes the whole song. What's interesting about that is hearing the Eddie Leeway demo version. Yeah. That is another like big singing part. So I wonder if Jorge and maybe he'll be able to answer this on the show sometime soon. Could give us some depth into whether or not. I want to know if he heard those Eddie Lewey songs. and if he took any of that with him.

Obviously, none of it is the same, lyrically. But that part is very melodic. I mean, I guess it has to be. It's a slow, clean guitar section. But man, the LP version, good God. It's. And do you know, like, because I know that some of that was like demo stuff and blah, blah, blah, was it recorded as a demo or is that just like?

That's what I've heard. Right. is that 5DLVenems was like the pre-production and then it was a different band and then it was just 5 W. Venoms. Okay. We'll find out. Yeah, yeah. Maybe.

Totally. Maybe soon. Great pick, Bowen. Thank you. Amazing pick even. My next pick, we're going to keep it in the state of New York real quick. I mean, kind of, yeah. Some New Jersey in there too.

But you tell me into another isn't hard. and I'll slap you in the face. You're wrong. Even if I'm not, you know, in the band themselves might be like, we're not really a hard man. I wouldn't slap them in that. I'd be like, guys, you are.

Whatever you say. But in the context of their smash hit debut LP, Ignorius, two snowflakes. Oh. As the mid-album kind of breather between the madness,

that's a soft song by emotionally, powerfully hard band. Really good thing. My love, I miss you so much. I feel myself melting again. I knew you were going to pick an into another song. Like, I knew it.

And I didn't think it was going to be that one. Interesting. Well, dude, this is, and we were talking to Jay on the Mind Force episode, he brought up that this is the, the song they played when the pit got too crazy. Really? They played this to subdue the mosh. Wow.

Which that's, that's a testament to what a, A, how fucking hard you are. Yeah. You know? B, what a powerful, beautiful song this is. Wow. It's basically, this, this song is the musical version of, Hey, big guy, sun's getting real low. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. Right. The Hulk. The Holt. The Pit Hulk. Yeah. interesting. I forgot that about Jay. Seems like a whole lifetime ago.

Now, Bo, why don't we keep talking about Richie and why don't you tell me one that I know you want to say? You did know. I did. It's interesting. So. Unless it's on your top five. I don't want to. No, no. It's not. There was just a lot. Yeah. Like there were a lot to pick, you know? Yeah, but there's one that's. Yeah. Mass movement is by Underdog. is like the coolest song. Yeah. It's,

it's, pretty much a reggae song. Yes. For the majority of, of the time, kicks into a kind of like fast part. And then,

man, you know, I knew about under, I think I've told the story before, but I knew about underdog and then a burning fight when they played it. And there were people

who were like slow skanking during the fast part because they knew, the reggae part was coming back. It was coming back. And when that happens, man, oh man. I think that mass movement is a like,

in the chart of hardcore, like if you looked at like one of them like Time Magazine, like chart and graph of the timeline. Yeah. Mass movement has to be a little dot on the chart of like what hardcore can be, you know? Wow. Like, hey, this is a reggae song and it's a hardcore song.

Yes. Bad Brains had reggae songs. I'm going to tell you about one of them later. Say as am I. But both at the same time as one thing in a way that makes sense and kicks ass and stands out amongst all their other material. Tough to do. Tough to do. And like somehow because there's another song where he names kind of like countries in Australia.

down in New Zealand in America. And it's like another dub part. So like they did it. It's just like it's impressive to me that they were able to do that without it being like a crazy gimmick. Yeah. I mean,

and the message of mass movement is everything. Is everything that we're saying on here every week. We hate one another and I don't know why. That's amazing. Yeah, it's awesome. Great pickball and me. Grant Pick Bowen on my behalf Okay, this is a this is a

I guess I'm gonna keep it on Kirk real quick Are you familiar with Kingdom of Sorrow, Bo? I know, I know the band, yes. Music-wise, I'm not very familiar. Kingdom of Sorrow is a side project Helmed by Kirk from Crowbar and friend of the show, Jamie Jostah. They put out two or three LPs now, I think.

On the first one, my God. Dude, I'm telling you. Which song is it? Screaming into the sky. Okay. This is going to be the song on the playlist this time. I can't wait to see the Spotify graph go up for this song. This is the one.

Most people don't know what this is. Most people will soon know what this is and be like, holy shit, where was this? I regret putting it on here. because now I can't rip it off. But King of Soror screaming into the sky is the perfect mix of a crowbar song and a hate breed song. Got it. And you can tell it's like,

oh, both of these guys are really putting their brains together. You can tell on the record that there's Jasta songs and there's Kirk songs. Yes. This is a Kirk song with a Jostra breakdown. And that's, hey. That's it, dude. That's as good as it gets. That's it. Yeah.

So King Rosarro screaming. to this guy. This is the one. When you're done with listening to this episode, I want you to come back and go, yeah, that was the one. Yeah.

Period. I knew you were going to have picks that I wasn't considering. Sure. And that's just not, it's so much my forte. I can't, I'm,

it's funny. I didn't think about Kingdom of Sorrow. Just didn't even consider it. I went through my whole library. Yeah. Yeah. I was going through my LPs. I was shuffling songs

while going through my LPs. To me, this is the perk. This is another, you know, no dis to Spotify, but Apple Music having my library I've been building since I was 15 years old on it, pretty convenient as part of it.

You know, as just one thing. That's a really good point. Spotify don't have that. Like the UI is great. The discovery's great. Yeah. But my whole fucking library's on Apple. I'm stuck with it.

Yeah. And it sounds so much better. It sounds so much better. I got a foot in each. pond, you know, I'm living. Same. Just because I want to hear what things sound like to the masses. Yes. Because you would not believe how few people use Apple Music compared to Spotify.

It's less than 20%, I think. I think it's about 10. Like when you compare the two, especially on my end, I can tell you, when looking at the stats of both, yes. It's probably 10%. Yeah. It's pretty far out. Guys, get Apple Music.

It's wrapped propaganda and I understand, dude. It's so fun. Rap propaganda is good. It's one of the greatest marketing stunts in history. Oh, yeah. It's awesome. I have a question for you. I have an answer for you.

Is Allison Chains a hard band? Brother, they better be because let me tell you. I got one on my list. Okay, good. Now, they, what's interesting is they have a plethora. This was maybe the most difficult of, right, which one do I pick? Dude. Which one did you pick?

I went, my, my, my gut is nutshell. Is that what you picked? That's my, that's, sorry, that's what I picked, yes. Okay, yeah, that's fair. I went from the same record, no excuses. Dude, the, the, the hook and no excuses is, is like a top five for me. Yeah. Boy, I just, you know, both are on the unplugged set.

So it's kind of like. odd. Yeah. So it's kind of like if it's on that, I feel like they're purposely picking more emotional songs. Yeah. You know, I don't know.

I just kind of got the vibe of it, whether it's true or not. Yeah. And it's what they open with. Man, if we're going unplugged, the Sludge Factory unplugged version, I'll cry right now.

And I mean, they have, I'm looking at dirt on the wall. I can think of the unplugged set. Like, they have no shortage of like, emotional songs and they are a hard band. And like they proved it.

Hey, we mean this shit. Yeah. Yeah. I know I talk about them a lot, but I can't, I can't praise that band enough. I mean, that's that's Martin's favorite band of all time. They age like one. It's unbelievable how you can put on any record, anything, you're set. I, I, I, they're still rocking, you know, to this day.

Jerry's, Jerry's still. on his own to this day as well. I wish that Lane could have received the adoration that the TikTok audience is giving bands like Creed, do you know? Yeah, of course. Who? It's about time for one.

But two, you know, I would have liked to see them because young people hear this and go, this is the best thing I've ever heard. Right. So keep it coming. Yeah. Make it help. Bring them back. And hey, not for nothing.

Some later Allison Chains Rocks too. Oh, yeah. But it's, and like the hard songs are the ones I like from that. Yeah, agreed. Those are hard-ass banger. Like, those are some fucking, he heard hate reading was like, oh, I can do that. Yeah, so I would pick Nutshell.

I think that's the, I think that's, that and down the whole are like the most vulnerable songs. Yeah, no excuses was my Alison Chains pick. But yeah, I, I knew that. was coming and I prepared. Yeah. And I'm glad I did. And we had different songs.

We had different perspectives, you know? That's good. I have, there's a few songs on my list where I have like a backup because I know you're going to pick one and, you know. Maybe. I'll pick one that you don't have on there. True.

I don't know if I've ever talked about them on the show. Okay. Little band, one of my favorite doom metal bands of all time. Little band called My Dying Broid. You know, the first time I ever heard of My Dying Bride is because of that. Of that video? You got, no, you guys doing it in the van in Europe. Oh, we were obsessed.

I was like, what is that? We are from England. We are my dying bride. That's from Dynamo. The biggest show of their careers. And his voice cracks when he's saying their band name in the beginning of the set. Anyway, the first song on Turn Loose the Swans, which is to me, they're, they're, Ultimate Classic record is called Sear Me, MCMXC, I, I, I, which I'm sure is Roman numerals.

MC, I think it's like 2003, I think. MCMXC 331 IA, that's 2003. I don't know. Dude, is that? Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, it's the first song, it's only piano, electric violin, and vocals. Wow. It's like eight minutes long.

It's the opening track. And it's gorgeous. Wow. And it's just this big fucking crescendo to the all the way to the end. Yeah. I can't, I can't, can't praise it enough and this record overall. This record is a really good mix throughout of Soft and Heart. Within the scope of each individual song.

big hard riffs he has a scary voice and a pretty good singing voice his whole gimmick is kind of following the riff with his vocals sure which is like kind of what you're not supposed to do right but he has a charm to it that has worked for him for so long and they're still putting out bangers to this day are they really there's still a band still a band still rock one of the best records they ever put out was pretty recent the bargist of Whitsby. Where are they from? They're from England. They are from England.

I'm going to go to your home state. It's second LP by a hundred of them demons. Wow, dude. A repeat process. And it's weird because it's like, it's like not a soft song. Exactly. I know, I know it's kind of,

ha. But. who knew he was going to do that. And there was a reason like that was the music video song. That was like the single. It was like, let's see we can get some people to pay attention to this because of blah, blah, blah.

And that's smart and what you should do. I mean, I think that has more streams than any Twitching Tongue song. There you go. It stands out from the discography. And I think people who don't know anything about Connecticut hardcore know that song. I love that that song is, well, you know what, I love that that band is like kind of two different,

it's, you know, two different versions of the same software, you know, 1.0 and 2.0 like each record. Absolutely. And throwing in stuff like that is so fucking cool. Yeah. And I wonder if they wrote that to have a melodic part. I could see that. I also think Pete was maybe just like,

Yeah, you guys know I can sing like really good, right? Should I do that? Okay, I'll do that. This fucking band and record and song, that's right here. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm pointing to my heart to the audio listeners. I think this record is some of the best production for that style of heavy. Agreed.

I think the mix sounds. Very clean and still hard. Yeah, it's like sterile and hard. Yeah. Which like when I say something like that, it makes me think of like heartwork by carcass. Like you're at that level. It's very heartwork. That's a really good comparison.

You're at that level of production, which in my opinion, dude, embodiment. Like you play embodiment. It's one of the craziest sounding things to kick in ever. I'm talking that level. And man, I just love it. I love that record. Amazing pick. I'm sad.

You got it before me. So there was a couple sheer terror songs I could have picked. Many people would be shocked to hear that. But they dabbled. They showed you that they were, they were emotional guys. They were eclected guys. They had different musical tastes than most New York hardcore bands. On the old new borrowed and blue EP, there's two covers on there.

Right. There's Johnny Cash. I still miss someone. And my favorite. Everything's fine by the Saints. They got trumpet in there. There's a whole brass section in there. He flexes how good he is at singing in this.

on this whole record. The man's got pipes. Yeah. I listened to it after your EP, after our EP episode. This was one of your submissions. I listened to it because I hadn't heard it. And I remember taking,

like my, a major takeaway from it was like, Paul Bear can sing. Like, he can sing, dude. He's got crazy pipes. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I would love to hear him do a full record of that at some point. Interesting. But yeah, this cover in particular, everything's fine as a softer song by this classic Celtic frost-esque punk band from New York needs to be just, you know, give it a shot.

Yeah. You're going to love it. I remember being in early high school and having the Boys Don't Cry cover on my iPod. And I think it's alive. It's live, right? Yeah. And it's like, last time we played it, there was like 50 million. fights going on. Don't disappoint us.

Disappoint us. Yeah. Robert Smith suck my dick. It's like, whoa. And then they cover the cure. It's so good. They cover the cure. It was probably insane. It was probably a blood bath. It's so cool. Nobody else was doing that. Nobody else is doing that. Yeah. Ahead of their time, truly. Hard band covering this softest song. And it's like that would have been an easy pick. Boys Don't Cry, but. Right. It is live. Yeah. And I want people to hear how crazy the production on old new bar and blue is.

For sure. I love the idea of a really hard band covering the softest song, but in the song itself is actually kind of hard. Yeah. I don't know. It's just cool. It's really cool. It's like a triple entendre.

It really is. All right, what do I got here? I'm going to do my crowbar pick. It's my line check riff. I think it's one of the most beautiful songs. It's planets collide. And I know that's like their number one song.

It's like their most. That's new. Yeah. Yeah. And why is that, Colin? New people find things and gravitate towards different aspects of things, you know? Like Super Heaven's big track? I don't think that was a single on the album.

I think that was just a track. It was a TikTok thing, right? Yeah. And that's like I think that, like, I think Creed's biggest song on streaming is now one last breath. Which like you even. know that one, you know? No. Yeah, see. You would think higher and with arms wide open. Higher, of course. One last breath is home and now. I'm six feet from. And which is an unbelievable song. But also, the kids have chosen. They've made their choice. They've said,

no, you were wrong. This is the banger. And I, you know what? Now that I'm thinking about it, I dabble in TikTok. I'm really not a TikTok head. But I'll go on there occasionally. You're on there. Dude, but it's been much less, I believe it. Over the last few months, I've just like, it's a lot to keep up with sometimes. There is a definite, like, you know, a sound tread where it's that. It's like the video you made of going to the Chase ATM. It's that.

Yeah, I did that intentionally. And that was, I bet you that's why. That's how it is. There's some, it's like, I don't know if that's what happened with planets collide. Yeah. But like, for instance, my wife didn't grow up a Crowbar fan. I put that record on Planets Collide hits

She goes, who is this? Yeah, yeah You know? So it is what it is. I mean, you've been baptized in a lake of tears, you know?

Fucking, but you learn from what's killing you? But you learn from what's killing you. Beautiful. Like, poetic lyrics. Let me see something real quick. I was going to slap some reverb on me,

but to be doing it over. Also, knowing that so many crowbar lyrics are about you know battling with addiction and alcoholism like he he takes the most personal aspects of his life and turns it into art and what's harder than that literally nothing nothing wow crowbar we already went over we don't need to do it again but they're such a special band such a cool outlook on what heavy music can be I think they are Like, I know it's easy, Ringworm has the title of your favorite band's favorite band. Sure.

But like Crowbar in a way that no band can be is like your favorite band's favorite band in the aspect of like, oh yeah, you, I am directly, everything can sonically pull from Crowbar. Amazing. And everything, a lot of things do. Willow Smith is a big fucking Crowbar fan, you know. Is that true? Yeah. Oh, shit. How can you not be?

Yeah. If you hear crowbar, you like crowbar. That's really what it is. If you don't like crowbar, it's because you haven't come across it yet. Right. Period. Profound. Period.

Okay. My next pick would be, I can piss you off real quick. How about I piss Bo off real quick? Oh. Now listen. Now listen to me. I don't talk about it on here a lot. But Bo knows I'm a big Guns and Roses guy.

Big time. And I think this song in particular, if Bo was in the car with me and I put this on and I manned to him a little about why it's so good, I think he'd come away going like, that was pretty good. Listen, I can admit that on paper, Guns and Roses is a band that I like. Yeah. I like the like dirty Hollywood trash. You hate his voice, right? No, it's not even that. It's really not even that. It's fucking sweet child of mine and paradise. It's just like having the shit. It's the same. Yeah. I don't consider them like they're not on my top five worst bands list.

Okay. Because, dude, Slash as a riffer and as like slash maybe has in all of music, yeah, the best lead placement. Oh, yeah. And memorability of any guitar player ever. Great guitar player. I love the thing where he wouldn't stop soloing and Michael Jackson got pissed. Duff is like a hardcore dude. Yeah, yeah. I'm down. Like I said, on paper, I am down with Guns and Roses. Well, let me tell you, do you know the song, Don't Cry? I don't think so. Bo.

I'm going to listen to the playlist that we inevitably make from this episode. I think you will hear this and be like, dude, this just simply rocks. Okay. It is a top, it is in general a top five ballad of all time for me. But Guns and Roses isn't as hard as a lot of these bands. which is arguable. You could be mine, dude. Hard fucking song.

Anyway, that's not about this. This is not about that. This is about Don't Cry. This was hearing this as a kid. Yeah. I knew Guns and Roses as the sweet child of mine, Paradise City Band. Of course. Where it's like, oh, they're rock.

Yeah, they're just straight up. Yes, yes, yes. And this, this might have been the first ballot. had I ever heard. Truthfully. Before Fade to Black, before anything. Wow. Imagine that.

And I was obsessed with this song. And there's two versions of it on Use Your Illusion One and Use Your Illusion Two. And upon dissecting the entire G&R discography, which I've done many times. As I've said, I'm a big fan. This is my favorite Guns and Rose's song. This is one of the best ballads ever. And I think it's so good that you would, you at least wouldn't hate it. Yeah, so it's like, I don't, like, I consider red hot chili peppers, like a collection of conmen who tricked people somehow.

Great musicians. They were. Illusionists. You know what I mean? Great band. They Christian bailed and fucking Edward Norton to their way and tricked people with magic tricks into believing their shit. I. They prestige and illusionist?

Both at the same time. I don't consider Guns and Roses that. Okay. I truly, I give them a little more credit than that. I just, I don't dig it. Dude, I think there's some, I could probably make you a 10 song Guns and Roses playlist where you'd be like, this is incredible. I'll tell you what, do it and I'll listen to it. Okay.

I'll give it an earnest listen. Because dude, I'm telling, I think the thing as a guitar player, you hearing where slash puts leads? Yeah. He'll insert a lead for five fucking seconds. and you'll remember it for the rest of your life. Okay. It's eight notes and you'll know. And I don't think anybody does that as well as he does.

Like I'll do that with them. I won't do that with fucking chili peppers, system of a down, white striped. Like, I won't do that with certain bands. But I will do that with. Chili peppers. Great man. For the record.

On record, Hardlore approves the redhack chili peppers. What's your next pick? Here's a little tie in. Guns and Roses cover added. by the misfits, which is dope. That's dope. That's all Duff. Doesn't Duff sing it? Yes. Yeah. So I'm going to pick a misfits song.

Think about it. The misfits, in my opinion, are a hard band. Oh, 100%, dude. You know, especially early 80s. And especially, one thing I don't think people realize is like, if you look at like kind of candid, not on stage pictures of the misfits back then, they're gimmicked up all the time. No, they had it dialed in immediately. To a point where it's like, how the fuck did you know that? They're walking around like small ass towns in middle America wearing bones and shit and getting arrested for grave rock.

They saw a clockwork orange. And they were like, okay, we're going to do that but skeletons. And they're true. But scary. Yeah. Yeah. Every song is, I'm going to kill you. I'm going to fuck your mom.

And aliens are here. They're real. Yeah. Now. And I'm not a, dude, I'm not a son of a bitch, all right? That's the other ones. You better think about it, baby. So of their very, like, they have, we've, again, we've gone on and on about the misfits.

I think they're one of the most important bands to ever exist. Ever. Some kind of love. Some kind of hate. I'm so sorry. Some kind of hate. Which starts with some kind of love. Yeah, you know, whatever.

Easy, easy mistake. But, easy mistake. but the da-da-da-na-na-na-na-da-da-na-na-na-na-that's like a Phil Specter like easy wall-of-sound pop song. I mean, it's all, it's all Elvis, you know? Yeah, of course. He took the Elvis root notes and rewrote them.

That in particular, yeah. Yeah, that's 4-4. Yeah. Is, man. That's a, I'm really sad. We didn't play that one this year. But it's, I mean, hey, there's always next year.

There's always next year. The thing, something cool about that song is that was one of the first songs I ever learned on guitar. Because it's pretty easy on guitar. I mean, most songs are pretty straightforward. But that's, I remember my friend was playing and I was like, that's it. Yeah. I could do that. I can play a song.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And then the, the woe parts. And then of course, the fucking. maggots in the eye of love won't copulate. What the hell? What the hell are you talking about, Glenn?

Yep. Yep. See? And now go to G. And then G is the fucking it's amazing. It's amazing. And there's a little,

there's a lead in it. There's a lead in it. It's an awesome song. It's a perfect song. It's like a little boppy love song. I have no idea what he's talking about. It's a 50. do-out song that like they put on like 45 by accident you know perfect colin part in this

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No, that's the Segway interlude thing. Okay. But this song has like a has like multiple crazy leads and insane solo. A legit hook. It's pretty short. Yeah. It's like it's like intro verse. chorus bridge, I think. It's very short. It is 100% melody. It's a fucking banger, dude.

When I heard that, I was blown away. This might be one of your coolest picks so far. Just because, like, I didn't even consider it. You know what I mean? Who would? I mean, they've got 700 monthly listeners or something. Yeah, yeah. You guys need to listen to disgrace.

Dude, that's the best man, period. So a little tidbit that I love is that acoustic segue on that record. I texted your brother and asked him if that was the same from Twitching Tongues recordings. Because it sounds exactly alike. It's the same guitar for sure. That's what I mean, same guitar. Yeah, it is the same guitar. The actual literal guitar is the same one.

I love that's just a cool little tie. I know it's just because that's the acoustic in the studio. But I love that that's like a tie in. It's cool. The tachamine, our shitty little tachamine was the, was the, uphit acoustic guitar. I don't know where it is. Probably a lot of a lot of things

were played on that. That's all one guitar. That's cool. That's a little bit of the lore that I like. That is fun. You're right. That's fine. I ain't never thought of it like that.

Let's go to New York. Let's start in D.C. Get band and then move to New York. You know what I'm saying? Oh. Now there's a lot of Bad Brains songs. I got one of my top five. Okay.

I'm going to choose a dark horse reggae song. Okay, good. The meek is on rock for light. John children, John Children, hey. The mech shall inherit the world. When I listen to this, the part where he's like, neither will his leaves with another will his arms, skin of the night, no one's on the sun of the night.

Yeah, oh, dude. But be prosperous in the way that he goes. In the name of Arlo, John. I'm Rastafarian in that moment. Chills, just now. That part, even when I was a kid, like just got me. And I just thought it was so cool. Yeah.

It's so powerful that I believe in Jop. Straight up. It's like watching the conjuring. Listening to bad brains is exactly like watching the conjuring. If I'm being haunted by a demon, I'm team J.C., 100%. If I see a demonic possession. Yeah. In the name of Jesus, repeated after me, bitch.

it released them. Listening to Bad Brains, I'm a child of Jha and I won't take note any other answer. For those of you who don't know, Rock for Light, which is my personal favorite

Bad Brains record, every, I think it's like every fourth song is a reggae song. It's fucking awesome. And I'm so glad that I listened to it when I was like really young.

That was an early punk record for me because I feel like I would have been close. close-minded to that. There's a moment in the America's hardcore documentary where one of the like battalion the Saints guys or somebody is talking about having seen

bad brains and being like man they're playing they're playing fucking reggae songs. I'm not here for that man you know and I remember being feeling grateful to not feel that way. Like please play a reggae song like I'm dying here. This was bad rains for me when there was

there were a few things when we were kids that older people took us aside and said, hey, if you don't like this, nobody will respect you. Wow. And I imagine it was the same for you. Like, Asia Quarrel. Yeah. If you don't like this, nobody will respect you. Yeah. Uh, self-titled Rock for Light as one, as one thing. Hey, if you don't like this, you're, you're out. You're out of your show out of luck. Um, so again, yeah, I agree. I'm grateful I was young and was molded by this rather than presented it later.

I love it. As you'll find out later in my top five. Good. Great. Coming down to the wire here. Only got a few more before the top five. And this is only really, I mean this in the context of their discography. I think young people will be excited about this one.

Because I vividly remember when Trapped Under Ice was showing me demos for Big Kiss Goodnight. Little song called You and I was towards the end. Interesting. And they, even they were like, this one's different. We'll see, we'll see what people think of this one, you know? Interesting. And this feels like the kind of like proto angel dust, you know? Yeah.

This is like the blueprint of what angel dust could be where it's like a kind of thoroughly melodic love song in the context of this perfect generational landmark hardcore album. You have often said, and I'm sure Scarhead is going to be later on in what we're, what we're talking about. But you've, you've said, Crown of Thorns. Sorry, Crown of Thorns. Yes. You've said that Crown of Thorns were like emotionally very vulnerable and very,

I don't want to say soft because it's, it's literally hard to even listen to. But it's, you know, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. And I would imagine that justice feels the same way. Because I think the similarities in, in, in, even. they're fully heavy songs. Yeah. I had,

um, I had them playing while I was like setting up, trying to see if I could pick a particular, and I was like, these are all too heavy for me to say as a soft song, but I forgot about the deep cut. That's a really good pick. Yeah.

It's, it's, uh, it's like a tender emotional track. Especially when you look at the, just the, the chronology of their discography. Uh, this,

would surprise you if you were a new listener getting into them now. Maybe not because music is just so different. But I can tell you at the time, this was like kind of a shocking thing for them to do. Interesting. And I loved it. I was all in immediately. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's one thing that's probably feels good for a lot of bands is like when they do their like kind of experimental stuff, they probably are like, back Colin would like this. You know, like a melodic thing is like.

That's out there now, you know? I bet we got Colin with this one. I hope so. If you're listening, you got me, do something weird. Here's one. By my favorite hardcore band, worst song they ever did.

There's meaning behind this. My favorite youth today's song is we just might. It's all a song about, it's a song about literally, you know, fighting drunk people at a show or whatever. The chorus goes, you say you want to fucking fight,

we just might. That's the, Now, they re-recorded it. Pretty cool on Breakdown the Walls. And they renamed it Time to Forgive. And it's undoing everything that we just might was about. Oh. And I say, because that to me.

Not listen to that one. Yeah. That to me, time to skip. That to me is like, that's not what I'm here for it. Obviously, I know it's about growth. obviously I know the meaning behind what they're doing and I'm being a little bit of a brat but that to me is a soft song

we're just having fun online I'm just having fun you today's still my favorite horror crewman but that that's like you had this fucking amazing hard ass song all about like like that's pre-project X

that's pre straight edge revenge that's very like yeah we mean this and then you kind of undo it and I don't like that you up yeah up Fuck. I'll fuck you up. But I was just kidding.

I was just a little hot. Don't worry about it. See, I don't like that. I like, my fucking up. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. So time to forgive by you today.

That's not for me. Okay. Understood. I got a, I got, there's one that I just know has to be in your top five. So maybe I won't say it. Okay. But before we get there,

TriptoCon after their first record had an EP ready to go which I think is so brilliant it was just it came out

I think like six months later or a year later called Shatter and the title track Shatter is how do I describe this I think to the layman

you would listen to this and say it sounds like lacuna coil or something. Interesting. Right. Right. But to me it just sounds like a like slow, subdued atmospheric Celtic Frost song with a female vocalist on the chorus. Kind of just. And she's just wailing. She's wailing, dude. And the chorus is, why did you cast me into a bottomless pit of pain? And like that's the most, that's as Celtic Frost as only death is real, you know?

Mm. And who can't hear that and take something from it? You know? Yeah. You're, did I ever tell you that Taylor showed us the TriptoCon? The first thing? I feel like, yeah, on the European tour. On the European tour.

And it changed the trajectory of the band. I know. Quite literally, you know. Triptocon. You guys went home and went to the gown, gown, gown, gown, gown, gown, got to down. Triptocon and and Tom Warrior has a way of writing music that is all these things happening at once. Yeah. Where it's heavy and hard, but like pretty and soft at the same time.

Mm-hmm. And that's really difficult to do. It is. And I think like I could have said dying God coming into human flesh, you know? That's a beautiful song that is soft until it's not. Yeah. Shatter. Tripticon was like a reset was the reset button for song.

You know, it was like, hey, this is. And the name Tripticon, maybe the best, one of the best band names ever, I think. Why is that? So triptych. I feel like we've talked about this on here. I don't know this. So I don't think so. Well, Triptic is a three-part piece of art.

Hellhammer, Celtic Frost. Tripticon. It's part three of his, his painting. Oh my God. Genius. That's amazing. I never knew that. It's brilliant. So the first LP is the reset button, but it's very much like, hey, here's monotheist. Way fucking better. And way harder. And then immediately, hey, here's a whole different thing that what you just heard. And it's just

melodic. But huge. Huge. Yeah. Sounds awesome. Shatter. Check it. Can anyone else do the fucking, like he? No, I've tried and it don't work. Yeah, it doesn't work. I know. Yeah, it doesn't. It just doesn't work.

Doesn't work. Yeah, it doesn't work. Fuck. Yeah. Boy, I'm wondering, I might have one more. Yeah, I'll do one more youth crew song. And then we'll start my top five. Yes, sir.

On bringing it down. Okay. Judge have a song called Like You. And it starts with like, it actually kind of sounds like integrity. Like, like what integrity would eventually do. Yeah,

that bridge can be made a lot. Yeah. Between judge and integrity. That's like, they're right there. I agree. And kind of like the, just the,

it's like a clean guitar part with like a, well, like over it, you know? Fuck yeah. And in that, there's like Melnik brothers to me. But it's just like,

it doesn't stay. I mean that literally you just sang the Armenian persecution. Listen to the beginning of this song and it's very, very similar. Like you is kind of, it's not soft the whole way through, but it's the only song I think of the, on that whole record where there's like full like a ring out chord.

It's a hangar, dude. It's a great song. It's funny. I go back and forth with Judge about whether it held up or not. It absolutely held up. I think the legacy argument can be made, but whatever, dude. Like until that, until United Blood 20, what, 15, 16. Yeah, 15.

Yeah. They were like, they were like the fourth band somebody told me I had to listen to. Interesting. It was like, oh, you're a straight edge too. You got to listen to Judge. You got to listen to Judge. Judge had a shirt and hot topic, you know. Totally.

Judge, Judge rocks. So I do, I landed back on the, yeah, this holds up. Bringing it down is unbelievable. 100%. It's incredible. It's perfect. So yeah, like you by Judge. Great pick.

And thus begins our respective top fives for this little category we've got going on. My fifth favorite soft song by a hard band. From the great state of New York. Band called Maximum Penalty. The song is called, and this is maybe going to be the biggest tragedy of this playlist that this song is not on streaming. Oh, fuck. I listen to this song every single day. YouTube?

Yes. Or the Plex thing, you know. Yeah. At some point, every single day I put on, could you love me by maximum penalty? It's heartbreaking and relatable and so fucking catchy. I can't sleep at night. I need you to hold me tight. Could you love me?

Who don't feel that? Yeah. Who hasn't felt that strongly at some point? Who put that record out? Why is that not on streaming? I don't know. It's unacceptable. I'll look into it.

But it should be out there. And maximum penalty is one of those bands that were like this kind of, not like a well-kept secret, but it was like if you know, you know, type thing until Grandfifto Auto and then all your boys was on there and that was awesome and then they put out

Life and Times which is like one of the best comeback pieces of music ever before that though was Super Life which features could you love me

yeah this beautiful beautiful rocking ass soft kind of like punk rock song that's how I would describe it is like this holds up this is like

it sounds like fucking like a rancid banger you know Unbelievable song. Baker. Baker. He was... Max Penn, baby. Yeah, he was early, early Max Penn.

Yeah, he loves him. That was, I was thinking was going to be on your list. I'm going to go, let's see. I didn't put my top five in order, which was foolish. Okay, I'm going to do... This one, I pulled from the audience.

I used the lifeline. You did? I pulled from our Twitter, some of the replies on that. See, I didn't look. at that because I didn't want to be. I just, you know, again, because I had a gear change, I just, I figured I was forgetting something and I certainly was.

Okay. Little song called Suicide Note Part 1 by Pantera. You know what's interesting about that, Bo? What's that? That's my number four. You're kidding. Look at us. Sinked up.

Describe this song, Colin. It sounds like a 36 string guitar is playing with like such perfect. beautiful precision. If somebody told you, Do I'm played a 36 string on this. Yeah, just, would you say no,

he didn't? Or would you say, that's crazy? That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, that's insane. But yeah,

that makes sense. No wonder. Yeah. Yeah. He's talking about like cheap cocaine and like pills and shit. And I don't,

obviously, I can ever, if you don't want to kill yourself a little bit, we probably have nothing in common. Yeah. If it's never crossed your mind, I don't think we have anything in common. Of course.

In general. And let's, what's, is it, is it the chorus or is it the pre-course the-take the pain away? Well, with the, with the scars on my wrist to prove I'll try again. Prove I'll try again. That's the end of the course. Dude. Try to, try to live through this night. Untry to die.

So Zach Wilde. Yeah. Recorded a big, like crazy polished cover of this song. way back when, which is why when the reunion got announced and it was Zach Wild on guitar, I was like, yeah, that, it has to be. I think he's the only person that can cut it.

Yeah, I mean, there's a video out there that I've seen of when Dime was still alive, Pantera's playing, and it's on like the last record, you know, where Zach walks out with a pit bull on a chain, on stage, hands the chain to Dime, Dime hands him a guitar, and Zach just shreds a solo. it's one of the coolest videos I've ever seen

but this song is dude it was down correct me I don't know that the timelines very well was was down existing at this point because it's it's on trendkill I believe so on trendkill which was 90

oh no I'm never wrong Cowboys from hell is 90 right yes and then Far Beyond Driven was Wow.

It was 90, right? Cowboys from hell was 90. Uh-huh. And then it was Uh-huh. Vulgar. Vulgar, which was 92. And then Far Beyond Driven.

Far Beyond driven. 44. Tranquil. Trankill might be 95. Is it 96? Yeah. Okay. 96.

Every two years, baby. They pumped them out. God damn. Good for them, man. It's unbelievable. And that's wild touring and loaded up on every drug you can find. And like I said, I think, I think down, no, this may have been the beginning of when the down should start happening and like they had downtime. I think you.

You know what I'm saying. I need my downtime. Hey, man. I, fuck. You can hear down. You can hear down. in this song is my point. Like you can hear,

whether it was already a project or not, I don't know the timeline that well. You can hear Phil singing in a way that is super reminiscent of what, I don't know, what down would be, what could eventually be the downfall of that band, which is just like an interesting seed, you know, like a little thing that's growing.

Well, I know something, something, I think he purposefully recorded the, all the vocals by himself for this whole record. Yeah, separately. Right. Because he's just like, I can't deal with other people. I don't want anybody to do this. So you're recording this gorgeous piece of music. Separate.

And then you're doing, wow, wow, wow, wow. I mean, yeah, straight into one of the hardest songs ever. Maybe the best two part thing ever, period. Suicide Note one is one of my favorite songs of all time, period. Yes. Any band, any criteria.

Great. Great pick, Bowen. Great pick. Colin, what's your number four? Yeah, I should do number four. I'm going to do, bringing it back to Glenn. Got it.

Her black wings. Being safe. It's very Peter Steele. Very like, I'm safe. But it's like this here's here. Now here, let me, let me advocate for Satan here. Okay.

This is like the Danzig song to me. I agree. I think most obviously I think mother is the... But isn't this just kind of what Danzig sounds like? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's my point is this one for me is all lyrical. It's like the carnivore song fucking after the war. Oh, yeah.

You know, it's like that. It's like that song to me where it's all kind of like, hey, all of this is superfluous and I'm really safe and warm under her black wings. I mean, I'll be honest, this is the song that made me a Danzig fan. Good. This blew my fucking ass off. Dude, this song. The chorus is perfect.

Whoa, under her black wings. Yeah. And the weird, like, you know how a power cord is like one and then you skip one and then one, right? Nah, nah, nah. That goes one, skip two and one into, you know, into a power cord. Like, whatever that shape is. Oh. do John Christ

There's a reason I made Danzig You know What are you doing? John Christ? Yeah Jordan Olds Was recently in contact If I'm

I don't think I'm even talking out of church I don't know if he's doing anything But you might want to ask Jordan Damn Bring him back dude I bet he still got that guitar I bet he still got those riffs dude Oh man

Yeah under her black or her black wings I always say under her black wings I always say under her black wings. But man, that was, I remember one of the first times I saw Danzig perform. And this was way, this may have been a Johnny Kelly and Kenny Hickey lineup. And it was both, yeah, when they, when they were a five piece. And during the whoa, they fucking turn on the house lights. And everyone's going, whoa.

And it's just like so fucking awesome. That's the track. That's the Danzig track. That's my favorite dancing track for sure. Good pick. Great pick. Thank you. My number three.

Bad brains. Different reggae song. Much more obvious one. The one I'm sure you wanted to pick. I and I survive. How is this not what... Like if I'm a reggae label, I hear this and go,

hey, I'll give you a million dollars to just do 10 of these. Yeah. Make 10 more, please. Nine more. This is the... I mean, I don't let you know if I like reggae, you know?

Right. But I like whatever this is, so maybe I do. This song has the hook, the chorus. Yeah. I and I will never try. Listen on not high. Try to live that way. Dude, and the fucking, the bridge, the what did I show them?

And this is another one of the things. When I hear this, I believe in Jha, period. Amazing. Amazing song. I know we've brought it up on here before. I think, you know what's funny? I think of like that generation, the bad brains are the ultimate band's band.

Like that's, that was everyone's favorite band. Yeah, the Cromag's favorite band is the bad brains. Exactly. Minor Threats, favorite band is the bad brains. You know what I mean? It's just like one of those things.

So it is really interesting. Beastie Boys favorite band is the bad range. Exactly, dude. Exactly. So it's really interesting to see that and to realize like, oh, they were also like renowned for their musicianship. Yeah. Prolific songwriters. Great performers and like actual punks. Actual punks who followed no mold whatsoever. None.

I would believe you if they, I would believe them if they said we had no influences. We just made what we liked. I'd be like 100%. I believe. Unbelievable. Yeah. Gosh, that's cool. One of the best fans ever, period.

Yeah, yeah. And they're not a band that's often on my mind, but as we do this show, they come up so much that it's like, oh, they, yeah, they might be it. It's one of those things where it's like, I don't have to listen to this because it's already in here, you know? Well said. It's like, like I don't ever, if I could never hear it again and know it. I could probably figure it out in five minutes on. I know Rock for like front to back. No problem.

I used to listen to it so fucking much in high school. Yeah. All right. This one is, this is my number three. Yes. This one, I might have, I might have to convince you. Because I don't think it's inherently soft. And I've also used this song.

Motherfuckers pulling technicalities on his number three. But think, let me, hear me out. I've also, I've also used this song in the best breakdowns. You're sick in the head. Madball. New York City. Shut the fuck up, dude. The line.

This is not what we're doing. Dude, I disagree. Trying to do this show with this guy where I show people's hard bands making songs that are unconventional to the way they sound. This motherfucker says the hardest song ever. That's his number three. This is the hardest song ever. What I'm saying is he in this song is acknowledging all this like hardness and brutality in where he's living and where he's growing up. and blah, blah, blah. And he admits that, like, it makes my stomach turn. Like, it's the worst.

But it's just part of it. And in that, I think there is a vulnerability. No. That I think is really cool. It's the hardest song ever. This is a hard song by a hard band. Can I do it? If you vetoing, I'll look at the playlist and be like, why the fuck is that on there? If you vetoing, I'll do a backup. Fine. I like, I mean, this is, it's funny. I think people will listen to this and be like, there goes Bo. again. So I'm happy to leave it in. All right. I'm going to do one of my backup, my honorable mentions, just because then. And this one is, this one's also pretty funny. So for number three, honorable mention then. Black Sabbath, Sweet Leaf. Oh. A song all about love and weed. That's not what I thought you were doing. Yeah. All about love and weed. And just saying like,

when I first met you, I didn't realize how fucking cool you were. And it sounds like, a love song about a chick. It's all about... It is. And her name is Mary Jane. Mary Jane. And like, cool song, the fucking... Oh, I love that.

You know. One of my... One of my favorite, like, ad libs, even though, like, you know, it wasn't... It's just Ozzy, but, like, him saying, crying out. Crying out! It's, like, unbelievable to me.

Yeah, Mark Morrison heard that and was like, holy shit. Yeah. Yeah. I got an idea. Oh my God. That's not the song I thought you were going to pick, and that's so funny.

Because Black Sabbath are like ballad gods. Yeah, of course, of course. But what's funny about, like, changes is people fucking hated changes. Is that true? Big time, dude. How did people feel about no more tears or my mom coming home? I think by that time, you know, that's Zach Wild, Ozzy. Yeah, it was just like, you just like,

knew what you were getting. That's borderline what you want from him at that point. You know he's going to rock in some way. People had accepted and embraced things like changes by then. That was 1990. Copy. So music had changed by then. That was a smash hit. Mom, I'm coming home. Okay. Yeah. I remember it was huge and fucking no more tears, obviously. No more tears is another one of my favorite records of all time. Any job. You want to talk production, dude? every instrument sounds perfect. Yeah, that was, that was, that was, that was an interesting pick. I see where you're coming from spiritually.

You know, it's a love song about weed. Yeah. But I think we must know, even though Black Sabbath is not, I didn't, I just felt too obvious, which is maybe what I should be doing. But changes is one of their greatest ballads of all time. Period. That was your number three, right?

Number three. Three point five. My number two and my number one are basically, it's a toss-up. Could have gone absolutely either way. Okay. Depends on the day of the week. Depends on where I am in the country. At home, the answer, my number two, only living witness.

Hank Crane. From the album, Innocence. It's a straight up, like, western country song. Right. But I'm not in the country and they're like, gonna hold my. baby gonna drink some beer. Yeah. Never fear. That is here.

Not one of those. Like the good kind of country. Yeah. It's straight up like a cowboy sitting on a rock. Yeah. Eating a fucking piece of tweed while a tumbleweed goes by. Yeah. It's acoustic guitar.

Like a single violin. Some cymbal swells. And Jonah's gorgeous soaring voice. Wow. I believe Eric, who passed away, wrote this song and was like the primary person who was, because they had all kinds of like crazy Western like Ennio Morricone type movie score elements thrown in. But this was a full song of it. And it all crescendos to one of the greatest bridges I've ever heard.

have will ever hear with this big fucking soaring violin lead under it. Yeah. This is another one of just my favorite songs, period. Regardless of this

this list. I think it's I hope this is another one that pops on the Spotify chart. So Hank Crane, only living witness. If you like movie scores

if you like like like Chris Stapleton I think would hear this and be like that was a beautiful song man wow okay just like

in the entire scope of music this is an objectively good song love it that's all I got to say about that all right my number two

it's a really obscure band um They're from the Bay Area called Metallica. It's about time. Yeah. I mean, of course. And look, there are obvious answers.

This isn't number one? I'm going to say no and you'll see why. Okay. Fade to Black is an obvious choice. That's what I had. Yeah. Oh, that's your number one? No, no, no.

For me, I got you. And I think that that's like an obvious choice and like lyrically, that song's amazing, blah, blah, blah. But I truly think softer is nothing else matters. And that's a radio ballad. And that's a song that I fucking, like, when I was young, I hated that goddamn song. Yeah, play it, Colin.

You know the story? Let's see if I can figure it. The story about how he wrote it. Top three, baby. Top three. Oh, really? Yep. He was on the phone with a girlfriend at the time.

time. And he was just strumming. E. G. B.G. Oh, that's all it is? That's all it is. Oh, my God. And something came to mind and he went, I'll call you back and wrote the song. Well, it was one of the first songs where they're using strings in production. I mean, it's a, if you listen to this record, I'm obviously, I'm a broken record. But if you listen to this song cranked in like good headphones, it's crazy. This song sounds fucking awesome. And this song is all. about like, hey, I've never opened myself this way, but I'm really glad that we're doing this journey together. You know, it's like a song about the boys. It's a song about Lars. It's like, it's a love letter to Metallica. Yeah. I feel like, I mean, this is like, oh,

we could, we should do a whole album of this orchestra type shit. And do you know that's why? Wow. There's a version of this song that is just James, a guitar, some percussion, and then just the string stuff that they showed the dude whose name I forget, who composed S&M. And he was like, oh, that's really cool. Why is it so quiet on the record? And they were like, we've been meaning to talk to you about that. I thought we could maybe do something. And like,

then they came up with S&M. Wow. That's, that is the domino. Wow. This song, I mean, I'm a faded black man myself. For sure. I won't deny the amazing. The fucking, I mean, the verse riff. Yeah.

I could never play that. I know that you can. I can teach you to you. I can teach you to you. It's easy. It's a minor. I don't know what that is. I'm a minor.

Lee proficient guitar player and I don't think I could do that. That's one of the best things. But nothing else matters is so much more simple. And I think that's why it hits so hard. Yeah. Yes. And the weird, it's kind of like a weird like, like, I don't even. like circus.

The silliest lead they ever wrote. But then the fucking, the, like, Kirk kills that lead. And one of his best. Listen, if you're listening to this,

Kirk, I need the dark blood pedal video. Please bring it back. Undlead it, please. For the love of God, we have. to showcase this video. Kirk, I need people to see this.

Kirk, please. Kirk. Kirk, Kirk, Kirk, it's okay that you did this. It's okay. It's fine. People need to see it. We all make mistakes.

We all do funny things that we don't mean to do. I do it constantly. Every day. For context to the listener, Kirk Hammett had a custom guitar pedal built. It was a prototype for his guitar pedal line. It's an important detail.

There's a prototype called Dark, blood and he's talking about it and he's promoting this pedal by saying

yeah I use this pedal on the new record and it just blew up my hit yeah blew up my amp and he keeps saying amp and then he keeps going what did you do

to this pet amp amp when he's telling the story like he's selling the pedal by saying it exploded his amp

which like if you don't know anything about guitar stuff or if you do know anything about guitar gear no it didn't that didn't happen that's never happened oh my God it's so funny

and he's so enthusiastic you guys should you guys should buy it like this fuck my shit up you guys need this trust me and he's basically like if I ever need to sound like like crazy yeah I use this

and it's like that's like That's a tube screamer. It's so cool. And he's the best ever. He's the biggest star player of all time. We need it. He's so cool. Anyway, dark blood, I need it.

Kirk, bring it back. I love you, man. My number one. My number one, this should be obvious by now because, like, I haven't said it yet. Maybe not obvious to you, but obvious to many listeners being like, I'm pretty sure Colin loves the song. And they would be right. Little band for New Jersey.

called E-Town Concrete. Yep. This is, it is a soft song musically, but in every other way, it's the hardest song of all time. It's called so many nights. When I was doing my Twitter reviewing to see if I could find it,

that was mentioned a lot. Was it? Yes. So I think people know your brand, I think. People get it. man, they know what I'm, they know what I'm about, and I'm about so many nights. There was, I think only, um, return of the Mac have I listened to as many times consecutively in a row without stopping. Really?

There was, I think there was a three-day period where I listened to so many nights and nothing else. How, what year would that appear? Ninth grade, probably. Okay, okay. So I was 14 years old. This is one of my favorite songs of all time. I can't relate to a single thing he said. He says, you know, like my parents were divorced,

but, you know, they seemed, they were pretty amicable. My dad was awesome. But cast your judgments, cast all your stones, holding my hand, holding on to everything I have. Like, that's, it's one of the, it's a universal message. said in a not, you know what it's, no one it is. It's a not universal message sung and expressed in a universal way. Ah.

It is one of the most expertly crafted, soft, hard songs I've ever heard. And the fact that he got that personal. Yeah. On, on this, like, I guess ballads are when you do that. Sure. But the idea of Etown doing a ballad to begin with is insane. And it being this good and sounding this good is insane. Interesting.

But those that know Eat Town know they're some of the baddest musicians in hardcore ever. First time I ever saw him was at Furnace Fest. Four piece fan. Watch them together. Couldn't believe it. Time to shine. Live recording. Yeah.

Wow. Any band that does that deserves to be commended in some way. Yeah. Yeah, it's a little extra star. It is an extra star. To record live is to, you know, you're real. You can do that shit. You pull that off.

I don't, this one, there's no one way in hell. This one was live. But it's live in my room every time I put it on. I'll tell you what. Interesting. No crowd of thorns. I don't think that any of those songs. I think those, I approach this differently than you.

Yeah, clearly. Yeah. I don't think those songs sound soft. Got you. And I don't think, I don't think what he's even singing is necessarily soft.

That's how, yeah, that's how I kind of approach it. Yeah, I mean, and that's fine. Regardless of sound. Yeah,

I went for like, hey, this is outside of our comfort zone. We're trying something else. Okay. If it works, it works. If it doesn't,

it doesn't. Which, to be honest with you, this has happened to us a couple times where like we kind of interpret the task differently. I enjoy that.

Yeah, that's fun. It's, because it's like a fun. You know, no life of agony either. I don't think any of those songs are soft. I think they're, I think the,

the emotion in them is inherently so too hard for me to think that there's anything soft about them other than the cover song. And most most surprisingly, no of my number one pick, which is typonegative. Again. You don't think love you to death? I do.

It's a soft song? I do. But I, and it's, you have to remove, like in the context of the first three albums, yeah, sure. That's like the first time they ever sounded like that. The opening, that's why I chose it. But the overall arc of the band, sure. They're, they're as soft as they are hard in general. Hmm. Interesting.

But I'm not going to argue that because I, you know, I debated putting it on here. Okay. Okay, good. And that is like really the track one on October Russ is like, hey, this is what we sound like now. Exactly. It's a statement. Yeah. Because you have.

Yeah. And that was the song that made me a typo fan. Wow. I heard that. And I went, oh, I had heard Black Number One. And I had heard Slow Deep and Hard. And I was like, ah. See, that's interesting because I, it was the harder songs that got me and made me think, oh, it's okay to to, to, to,

do this to like this. Interesting. And what I will say, typo, and maybe it's similar to twitching tongues, maybe this is where we are similar. I don't think that there's that many actual sonic similarities between the two bands. But we're as soft as we are hard across the board.

And there's as many, there's probably, when you even it out, as many soft songs as there are hard songs. And that's why I do. don't consider either just one thing. Okay. And I'm fine. I think that's still valid for the discussion for a band to not be either way.

But yeah, Love You to Death was the song that like I heard. I was like, oh, this is just beautiful. And then it's also like heavy during the verse and then ends, am I good enough for you? It's like, holy shit. Yeah.

Are you kidding? Yes. You're right. Peter, you are. I mean, yeah, that's, And that is, that's probably, I go back and forth between that and world coming down. Yeah. As my favorite record.

As of I lately, I've been big, world coming down is on my wall right now. I've been big on world coming down. October Russ is probably thoroughly the softest. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And that's maybe why it's my favorite a lot of time. Interesting. You know?

Yeah, I like that. one of the things is we're coming down even the cover block like I love like there's no second of that record where I'm like ah October Russ kind of will get kind of psychedelic at some points that I'm not like thrilled about but I still yeah the late Beatles stuff on there is like okay I get yeah yeah exactly I know what you're doing I know what you're doing yeah exactly yeah that's I mean that's my favorite band period um I've never I've never considered In the scope of up until October rust, yeah, that 100%. So I guess that that's totally fair.

Okay. Totally fair. Great. That's a good pick in that it is probably their best soft song. Yeah, I think so. And druidus. Be my druid. I have Love You to Death and Be My Druidus as like my backup in case you picked Love You to

death. Interesting. Yeah. Anesthesia is my. Right. I do that. You know that's my shit, that's my shit, dude. I do.

I do know that. And that, but that's like, that's, that's a hard song in that, like, it's hard to fucking sing. It's hard for him to say all that, I'm sure. Yeah, right. Yeah, this was very fun. I like, I like learning about how we interpret the same topic differently. Yeah, I went very literal. You went very literal.

I want a little Lucy Goosey. Dude, the Madball pick is so funny. I went a little while on Madball. I just, I like the idea. I like the idea of, ah, this is kind of fucked up. Ah! Like that, and that's what that song is to me.

And that's why I picked it. I thought that was cool. Sure. I get it. I went, hey, we don't sound like this. Listen to this. Yeah, valid. This was very fun.

This was hard lores, soft songs by hard bands. Coming soon will be hard songs by soft bands. And that'll be different. That'll be very different because we're just not going to talk about hardcore at all, probably. Probably very little. But adjacent, I would imagine. I got my list. So I'm ready.

I don't. But yeah, this was a blast. Thank you all for listening. We will see you next week. We can't wait. Bye. Bye.