HardLore - Sound & Fury Fest 2025

Starting point is 00:00:00 We had f***ing whispers up next. Unbelievable band. Incredible reaction. That was awesome. Nobody caught my stage dive. They never do. Why don't you guys catch me, man? I have a theory.

Starting point is 00:00:13 It's the boots. Scary. You're wearing a dude. If they caught me, the boots wouldn't come down as hard. You think that, but they come down even. Yeah. No. I've been not caught in sneakers, too.

Starting point is 00:00:25 Impossible. I'm telling you. They never catch me. Oh, welcome. It's Hardlork Time. How you doing, Bo? I'm doing so good. It's, you know, it's one of the best times of the year. Why's that?

Starting point is 00:01:00 Well, we're joined once again by, this has got to be five or six times on the show now. Yeah, at least. All appearances, including the New York, the letter-moshed, you know? Yeah. I think we owe you a gold jacket. I think so, yeah. Gold jacket, green jacket. We give me because Mark, Mark, Mark.

Starting point is 00:01:21 14 Stewart is back. He's not only in terror, God's hate, like it or not, Zabalba, Donnybrook, Holy Blade, etc. He's also obviously the co-promoter of Sound and Fury Festival, which we both just attended. I played. We had an incredible sold-out live event, Jeopardy. It's one of our greatest things we've ever done. Oh, reigning Jeopardy champ too, no last. Oh, reigning Jeopardy Champion as well. But I did learn some. something that I think we were both wrong about brace war playing the most times. I think it was ceremony. I'll be honest. So Toast. By the time this comes out, I'll have to, yeah, I'll confirm that because I have a list of every lineup. Okay. Like a document. Toast sent a spreadsheet to

Starting point is 00:02:11 Taylor. Oh, he has one. And it was Brace War, ped played, I don't know, eight or nine times. And I think ceremony was 10 because they played twice one year. Does that count? and the secret set. Listen, I thought I counted, and I thought I counted brace war at top. I'm willing to accept. But if there's two more for ceremony because of a secret set, you know, like, that makes sense. That makes sense. But we are here finally.

Starting point is 00:02:38 He'd win either way. Yes. Better late than never. It's Sound and Fury recap time. We've got Martine here. He is the co-promoter of Sound and Fury Festival. So we want to get into the entire week. putting it together the lineups all the pre-shows everything let's start with uh last year when

Starting point is 00:02:59 do you start putting all this stuff together it varies from me year to year but um usually it's like the day after we start talking about it oh the day after yeah the day after and and when i say talking about i mean very casual conversation but it's put into the universe do you all right we got ideas you know Do you look at that as like challenging? Like do you go, oh my God, or are you like, you have to enjoy it? It's like full brimming with motivation. Like holy shit, we did it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:35 How do we do it again? Yeah. That's awesome. Interesting. So do you guys out to lunch or something blowing black dirt out of your nose enjoying a nice meal? Yeah. No, I don't blow black dirt out of my nose because I bring the Navage thing with me. So I rinse my.

Starting point is 00:03:51 sinuses at night. Do you bring that with you on tour? Yes, because of summer European tours where there's dust inevitably at outdoor festivals. Yeah, I need it because I have pretty bad allergies. I bring the squeeze bottle. You know, it's slightly different. What is that? It's similar thing.

Starting point is 00:04:10 It just squeat rinses out your, your shit or what? When I fly and I get sick mostly from flying, I find that's the correlation. So I fly and I do that when I land. and I've been good for a while. I haven't been sick in a minute. Wow. Thanks to that and AG1. Obviously, thanks to that and age one.

Starting point is 00:04:27 Of course. And Rocky Treo getting us on the team. Dude, team Treo. I came straight from the gym here because Rocky's just got me on the path right now. Yeah. And I know that you showered at the gym because that's the kind of guy you are.

Starting point is 00:04:42 You wouldn't put some stank on my seat. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. So you meet the day after Sound and Fury. You revel in your successes. You have a nice. meal. You talk about what you want to do next year.

Starting point is 00:04:52 Yeah. Plans start getting in motion. You, Riley, and Madison has obviously been the team for for a few years now. Right, right. What are your individual strengths here when putting together something this monumental? Well, that's a good question. Anyone who knows Riley personally knows how he's like a supercomputer. He's one of the smartest people I've ever known. So tall. Tall is one of the tallest people and smartest people. And smartest people. people I've ever known. Yeah. So he, that, that's not like his only strength.

Starting point is 00:05:25 I'm not saying that he's just the brain or anything like that, but it's a huge strength of his. He's really good with budgeting and that sort of thing. And then I think Madison is a bit younger than us. And he, he's been booking bands for a long time. And he's kind of tapped in with a different source of bands. You can look at the lineup and go, that's a Madison band. Usually, yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:50 Sometimes you'd be surprised, but yes, yes, absolutely. I was saying it the whole weekend, when there was a Madison band, it would catch me. You could, you're like, this is fucking awesome. What is this? He's like, it's just, that's, the main thing is that the three of us bring, like, a different perspective on mostly everything. And then we just kind of, like, meet in the middle. And it really kind of works perfectly. But I've always felt like my biggest contribution is, like we were just talking about, like I go into festival.

Starting point is 00:06:20 travels in Europe through the summer. It's like I've been doing that for the past 20-something years or whatever. You know maybe more than anybody what not to do, which is maybe more important than what to do. You potentially travel more than anyone I know. It's like you, Nate, Nate, both Nate's probably got me beat. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, Nebal is Nabal. That might be his new news.

Starting point is 00:06:50 Nate's Volvo, yeah, his travel's crazier than mine because, simply because he'll do something like, we'll have a show, it's a probable we'll play in Texas, and he's like, oh, I'm flying in from Dubai. Yeah. So it's like, his travel is so extreme in that sense where he's like, one day he's in Arkansas and then he has to fly to Iceland or something. Yeah, you know, so. But yeah, you would travel a lot. Yeah, you, the Nate's and then Justin, the tallest man in the world. Oh, yeah, yeah. Tallest man in the world.

Starting point is 00:07:19 The most flights I've ever seen. After Riley. But it is so true that you're like you're the man in the field. You're seeing who's doing good. You're seeing who's getting over at festivals, whether they're European or not. Yeah. So it is very true that like your boots on the ground. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:39 Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I feel that wholeheartedly. And like speed was one of my favorite examples of that because I got a chance to play a show. with them in Australia before they it was like their second show ever I think and uh it was somewhere around 2022 I can't remember if it was right before the world shut down or right after yeah I think that was when we talked to them that was when their yeah demo came out or was 2019 and then yeah

Starting point is 00:08:07 and so it was just like this beautiful moment where I was like wow I because I known them previously before that band because of their old bands and stuff and anyways yeah I was just like seeing them being there and and experiencing that and then being able to do our best to try to bring them over to the United States. And that set did it. You sure did it. Yeah. It was like it was awesome.

Starting point is 00:08:32 Let's get into this week here, this beautiful week that you guys put together. We obviously started the whole week. We kicked off the Monday the most proper way possible with the greatest live show we've ever made, both the programming wizard here. We also had our own. Pink's Hot Dog. Oh, man. Which is,

Starting point is 00:08:52 listen, there's not a lot of things that I can go, hey, dad, I'm doing this and that he understands. Yes. You know?

Starting point is 00:09:01 But he knows Pink's Hot Dogs. He was like, dude, I think you've done something. Are you doing something good with your life? That's crazy. So that was cool.

Starting point is 00:09:12 Chris from Notfest. That was a big, Notfest endeavor. So thank you to them. Bo, Bell Jeopardy was his technical brainchild. Oh, yeah. And it's one of my favorite things we've ever done.

Starting point is 00:09:25 So thank you, Bo. Great job. No problem. For anybody curious, 30 seconds, I used only OBS and Elgato stream deck and an iPad to basically automate and do everything. So everything was triggered by me, but it was all just through the stream deck software. And it worked okay. I've got ideas for next time.

Starting point is 00:09:45 Next time it'll be faster. I got it. I got it. I believe you. I believe you. But yeah, that rocked. And then we had a week full of pre-shows. Why don't you walk us through what we had? Just want to shout out Brain Dead for hosting the event yet again.

Starting point is 00:10:00 Yeah. And then so, yeah, that was Monday the next day, Tuesday. We had another event at Brain Dead again. It was we replayed the turn style. What do you? Never enough. I don't know. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:13 Yeah. Yeah. So that was cool. offering people a chance. I feel like when we did that, we sent out to the mailing list. Like, that's where the ticket link first was. And I think, I'm pretty sure the tickets were gone just from that.

Starting point is 00:10:27 Huge. You know? So that was really cool. Yeah. So that was Tuesday. Like, start off Monday and Tuesday without... Oh, there's a cat. Whoa, look at the cat. There's a cat. Like, yeah, just no live music just yet. And then Wednesday.

Starting point is 00:10:42 Wednesday started off. Yeah, Wednesday had three events. One of them also being at Brain Dead again. And he was the... Hosted. Oh, right. Hosted by Hardlore.

Starting point is 00:10:54 And with the Q&A after, well, it was the Into the Wayside, which is the live recording of ceremony at the Hollywood Paladium,

Starting point is 00:11:05 which is like, you know, that was, anyone who was there knows how monumental that was. And the movie by Lance Bang? The movie was awesome. Yeah, the homie jackass

Starting point is 00:11:14 directed it. Like, yo, his Q&A, did that get recorded? No. That's, I feel bad for anyone who didn't get to see that because that's what I wanted. That man is like, I had never seen him speak before. I didn't really know too much about him before that. And I learned a lot because he speaks a lot in a good way. Yeah, he's got a lot of information.

Starting point is 00:11:34 His top four punk records were like, I didn't, I didn't even know what they were. No, dude, he brought us to school real quick. Yeah, he's like a guy from a movie that works at a record store. But, you know, that guy. A dick about it. Yeah, yeah. No, he's totally, he's like, it was funny, though, I saw the way he was, like, talking you about these records.

Starting point is 00:11:53 He just assumed that it's, like, kind of like, oh, everyone knows this record already. So I'm just going to talk about it. Like, it's common knowledge. And I'm sitting in the crowd, like, I don't know what he's, he's actually even heard of this record before. He was the coolest mother. Yeah. Phillips Schmore Hoffman in almost famous, you know.

Starting point is 00:12:09 Totally. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So that, that was, uh, oh, and yeah, Anthony and Zoldo was. Oh, horse. there as well. On tour now. Number one legend, my birthday brother. That's right. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:12:21 so then we had a show a program that night too. Ulf, claybirds as well. I don't know how to say, is it? Alivia? Alivia, I think, yeah. Alivia played. Yeah. Allivia.

Starting point is 00:12:37 So that was that program. Legendary ass place, yeah. 100 people beat mass. Exactly. Or surviving. And then the other skate shop, Rapid Skate Shop, which I just, I was just at War Tour over the weekend, and I saw both the homies from Rapid and Programmer there. I just want to shut them out. Yeah, so at Rapid was Fatal Realm, Ceramic, Hereditary, and Watch You Fall. There you go. And I wasn't able to be there, but I saw videos of that, the night of everything, like, while it was happening.

Starting point is 00:13:04 And it was, like, look pretty. Crazy lineup. I like all four of them back. White a bit. So, Martine, how are you, like, when there is. the ceremony movie showing and then two other shows and stuff like how you got you have delegates who are out there for you yeah yeah yeah we definitely do we we kind of like internally the three of us figure out where we might be needed and where it's handled you know in a place like rapid does and program those those places basically run themselves you know and so being at brain dead made the most sense for me just because I was like, oh yeah, I could just pop in over there because I really wanted to see that movie and be over there. And it's like, if I wasn't, if I was actually needed at one of those places,

Starting point is 00:13:55 I definitely would have been there, but it was fine. So that's how we just figure it out who needs to go where. Thursday, we had the Cosmic Joke, forced perspective record release. Yes. Beautiful. Holy Blade played, bad beat. Odd Man Out and Firestarter, of course. That venue was cool as fuck. Venue is unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:14:14 The Moroccan. Never been there. My first time there and I'm in love. Yeah. So I got to go back there and do some more stuff there. Great size, cool location. Everything was... If that room is relatively cheap to use, it's going to be used.

Starting point is 00:14:30 It's going to be used. It makes sense. Okay. Good. It could always be cheaper. Big, hey. Couldn't they up. Hook us up.

Starting point is 00:14:37 Big bar. Good green room. Yeah. It sounded really good in there. Tony did sound. Actual street parking. actual, a lot of street parking right next to the little Tokyo. Kind of the goat.

Starting point is 00:14:48 Yeah. Millic crepe. Millic crepe. Right there. Five minutes away. Dangerous. Dangerous thing. What else was Thursday?

Starting point is 00:14:56 So at Terrogram, who actually shares owners with Moroccan. Right. We had the new meers. Sorry, new meers, not the new mears. Train breaks down, Balmora, who also played the festival. They came through. And Ulf, again, they played the night before. and then they played this show in...

Starting point is 00:15:15 Brinding. Yeah, so that was like the... The Young Legends Screamo Metal Corps. Biggest pants you've ever seen at this show. Biggest pants you've ever seen, yeah, since 93 at the show's theater. Beautiful, beautiful. But yeah, that was at the Teragram.

Starting point is 00:15:30 That was crazy. It was huge, man. They sold like 700 tickets or something like. Holy shit. It was just like... Yeah, it was awesome. I didn't get to go to that one, but I did see all the footage of those night.

Starting point is 00:15:39 You had a show that night? Yes, I had a show that night. Is in Hollywood. Yeah. And, yeah. then we had. Which, by the way, I think that was, I say this, Colin to you a lot, but it's because You've seen so many the bad ones. Well, I've seen, I've seen less good ones for sure, but I've also seen you, like, get in ears and get, like, make advancements and like, oh, yeah, get better.

Starting point is 00:15:59 That was the best Holy Blade ever sounded. The three of you singing, and I hadn't, I haven't seen it yet. Yeah. My dream is a sing. The three of you guys singing really, really made it land. So I do want to point that out. That sounded awesome. Thanks, man. We've been. We've been locking it in in the background with God's hate for years now. You can tell. So we're synced up. Right. Our, our,

Starting point is 00:16:22 punctuations are synced. It's almost like you guys finish each other's. Singing. So, yeah, that was beautiful. Friday was the big regent blowout. We had terror whispers. We still had more Thursday. Oh, shit.

Starting point is 00:16:42 Yeah. There was a whole other. show. Glare, Glickson, and 16 Underground. They played at Gold Diggers, which is a really cool, smaller bar in Hollywood. And that was awesome. But then that night, it was the after party, the blood rave. Oh, the blood rave.

Starting point is 00:16:57 That's right. Man, I can't say enough about this. Like, I wasn't sure what to expect. I knew for years I've wanted to have something like this involved with the Sound of View week, where it's something similar to the vibe of anyone who's been to FYA in Florida and Tampa. usually will know what the castle is. It's the best goth club in the world.

Starting point is 00:17:19 Too scary for me. So much fun. And mainly because I saw people there just who would never tap their foot in another club, like friends of mine who are very stiff, I've seen them open up and just be wild. Oh, cool. Because it creates a vibe of where everyone just feels loose, you know. Cool.

Starting point is 00:17:37 So I always wanted something like that. We went one day. We went for about 18 minutes. Well, dude, this was awesome. We had some of the best McDonald's we've ever had. Oh, down the street was that McDonald's is crazy. That was a crazy I know the one. It's crazy. It was perfect.

Starting point is 00:17:53 But dude, remember, you can only wear black. Yeah. Yeah, they, well, yeah, mostly. It's not as crazy as like Bergheim or whatever that place in Berlin, but they will kind of judge you if you're there with the right person. Well, dude, I saw we saw them turning people away. Yeah, they will.

Starting point is 00:18:09 But they will turn people away. And I was wearing I was wearing a green type-o shirt, but because it was a type-o shirt, she left in. That's what I mean exactly. It's not only, like, they have to believe that you're there for the right reasons, I feel like. You've been to Satan's Hollow in Manchester, I'm sure, too. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I haven't been in years, but yes, I have been there before. Sounds too scary.

Starting point is 00:18:30 So without going too deep into that, yeah, I always wanted to try to have something similar on, you know, the Sound Infuri Week or whatever. And then, so this blood rave thing came in. Jamie and Shade. Yeah, Jamie and Shade. And, like, I just, I went there not really knowing what was going to happen. And then they just, like, blew my mind when they came out. And they do, like, a full set where it's Jamie on vocals.

Starting point is 00:18:57 And then they got Shade behind the turntables doing some, like, stuff. Dom's playing guitar, like, in a wireless guitar. And so they do these, like, I didn't even know what it was. I wasn't sure if they were doing cover songs or something because I'm ignorant to the whole thing. but it was just this like really hard industrial rock songs that i guess they're their own songs and it was just incredible and they had dancers that they had hired that were yeah that's holes and i mean the way they how packed was that room for that by that point it because you know it's like it has its peak and then it kind of like trickles off in the end but at its peak it was

Starting point is 00:19:33 packed and like they they curated the room so i walked down there and didn't even look like the Belasco basement. They had chains hanging everywhere and like they really went for it. They had projections going everywhere. Wow, shit. And like, they had their own like neon sign that was hanging the Blood Rave logo. Just all this code. They like really went above and beyond.

Starting point is 00:19:53 And it was so much fun. They had DJs, obviously. It wasn't just them doing their thing. The DJs like played industrial and that sort of stuff. Yeah. And it was just like I was legitimately the last person there. I don't know who was DJing.

Starting point is 00:20:09 but just playing some crazy stuff that in the moment, I was like, this is amazing. And, yeah, it was just really cool. I couldn't believe how much fun it actually was. And, you know,

Starting point is 00:20:18 freaky. The motherfucking blood rape. Yeah. Yes. We were coming. I would love to do, I would love to work with them again and have them come back. And then hopefully more people will understand how fucking cool it actually is.

Starting point is 00:20:30 And was their blood? No, they don't do the whole. Yeah, I think that clean up process would be. That would be insane. That would be, they don't have the ICP Fago budget.

Starting point is 00:20:39 To be cleaning up blood ever now. Not, not. Yeah. Yeah, you should work with them again and do something similar next year. We would have gone, but we did two episodes that day. We were hell of busy that day. Yeah. And, you know, I get it.

Starting point is 00:20:52 There's a lot of stuff going on, you know, and it's unbelievable. Not everyone can party is as hard as I can. No, as you, no. I've heard tales of people trying to keep up and then finding out they were poisoned. And you being at work the next day. Yeah, that's like the undertaker. You know the Undertaker Cypress Hill story?

Starting point is 00:21:13 Did he like outsmoke him or something? He out everythinged everybody in like in the Cypress Hill room and then when it was time to go and he was the last one up he picked up Xbox and walked him out. Wow. I went to the movies with Xbox once.

Starting point is 00:21:30 No shit. I have a picture of it. Yeah. We saw the first new Star Wars, the one with Ray. Did an Xbox like the Force Away? Is that what his call? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:41 I remember him liking it. I don't really remember everything because it was just so surreal. Dude. What did you think, Xbox? Dude, big Sean Walton fan. He was my favorite. I don't know why.

Starting point is 00:21:53 When he tagged with Kane, dude. Oh, that was a great era. I saw that tag team. Wow. That same tag team. So, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They wrestled the same night Jericho debut.

Starting point is 00:22:06 I was there with that same thing. Yeah. Bo's there when Jared I was there I've never mentioned that His mom got a tricker Dude like I don't know That was the same day That was the same day that Jericho

Starting point is 00:22:15 Five times a year All right So Friday So tell me about your show Tell me about the region How was it? Yeah so the region was the Terror

Starting point is 00:22:22 Missing Link Soulblind Out of pocket Whispers Smoke 909 It was just beautiful It was exactly what We hoped it would be

Starting point is 00:22:34 Is it was it crazy to you Do whatever you're back at the region. Are you, like, can you believe that Sound and Ferry was there? Yes. Well, it's, it is crazy. Yeah, I have the fondest memories of that. And it's like, it made so much sense at the time. And then trying to imagine the people today, like, trying to jam people into that room. It's just like, yeah, it's crazy that it's grown so beyond the walls of that place. What's the cap at the region? I believe it's like,

Starting point is 00:23:07 somewhere around 1,100. Wow. Yeah, that's basically a thousand people. So just a few years ago, that was Sound infuri. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, it's like, you see it all the time. People love to slap sold out on things. You know, it's like, it's the focus of a lot of people's energy for whatever reason, good or bad. But it does, I understand where people are coming from those years when, when tickets were gone. You know, it's like sold out. It's kind of a crazy. I guess an accomplishment, you know, so. But then there's kind of like, okay, well, what now? Yeah, now what?

Starting point is 00:23:43 It's like now more people probably want to be here. So it sucks that we can't accommodate those people. So that's ultimately what led us moving to the Belosco those two years because they were bigger and allowed a lot more people. And that's pre-show type venue now as well. Yeah. Which was last year. But let's get to the weekend now.

Starting point is 00:24:05 The main event, Saturday, Sunday, Sounding, jury. What else was it? There was one other things. There was two other things. Yeah, yeah. Give it them. All right. Down at program.

Starting point is 00:24:14 Program was nice enough to host another show. Yeah. Combust. Dynamite from the UK. Odd man out. Sudo youth about face. That was, yeah. Great line.

Starting point is 00:24:23 Obviously, I wasn't there, but saw all the footage and everything. Like the photos are incredible and stuff. And I was happy to have combust come out and be able to do a couple of shows and have a good time and all that. Yeah. And then there was an after show. They stayed with you and used all your toilet paper? Yeah. I mean, two other people stayed there as well.

Starting point is 00:24:42 I had, like, seven or eight people staying at my house while I wasn't there. So how many roles? Did they go to? Dude, it was like, because I have two bathrooms and, you know, there's things that, like, stand up. Yeah. You know, and then at the top, the roll is hanging. Yeah. So it's like a post.

Starting point is 00:24:58 Yeah. I think that fits about six? Yeah. So both of them were full. And those are, and no, and you, I'm guessing those are like Charmin Ultra. So that's basically like two rolls per roll. I'm at Costco. That's 12 rolls.

Starting point is 00:25:11 Yeah, it was a lot. Holy shit. Real shitters. And I get back home and legitimately everything is gone. They're all gone. Yeah. So they were eating Taco Bell. So when combust is on tour, if they stay with you,

Starting point is 00:25:27 either get a little extra or hide that shit. Single ply when combust is in town. Okay, we can't afford that. Scott's dollar rolls. So, yeah, we had an after show that night, too, which was like a block down from, from the region. We used to do stuff there, too, in the early Sound and Fury days. It's called Five Star Bar and Lotion, who played the festival, also The Dark and Pyrus Forum,

Starting point is 00:25:51 which is Madison's other band, yeah. Sick-ass industrial band. Damn. Really? Yeah, they rip. Yeah. Check that out. It's like ministry-ish, you know, like, the homey story singing.

Starting point is 00:26:05 Yeah. She's awesome. Yeah, Maddie's up there playing guitar. Like, it's pretty, it's awesome. Sick ass, man. Yeah. Saturday Sunday. Yeah, so then Saturday starts.

Starting point is 00:26:14 Here we are. This is Sound and Fury. What time you wake up, Martine? That day, I was, I was up like 9 o'clock. Nothing too crazy, you know, because. That's a crack of ass for me. I wanted, my brain wanted me to wake up at 6 a.m. And I had to, like, I have to tell myself I'm not needed.

Starting point is 00:26:34 And that's funny. like the homie Chuck who is a legend and runs a lot of the production with us now. We've been working with them for four years now. So it's like over those four years, the production company understands our vibe and what we're looking for and we understand them. So it's like everything is just working. So you've delegated enough where that you're not needing to freak out all that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:56 And I like stop by the grounds the day before when things are getting built. And that's like when reality sets in and I start panicking. Like, oh my God, it's so big. but I'll ask him like should I come in the morning tomorrow I'm like all kind of like stressed out and he's like dude like what are you going to build the trust rod he's like no go sleep like get out of here you don't need to be here for this kind of stuff you know so I had to you know release myself and so I woke up at nine and I I got there around like 10 30 or something like that yeah so easy day was this was this did it end up being a stressful weekend at all No. I'm trying to think You know, there's like Yeah. There was a couple of minor things that like Just were so overshadowed by how good everything felt.

Starting point is 00:27:45 Yeah. Yeah, it's I would say no. Okay. No stress. Yeah. It was crazy. Let's get into Saturday here. We got February. February kicked off. Yeah. The young screamo legends February. Yeah, you know, it's so funny like you know when I'm doing all the art and stuff like that and making the poster and it tries to correct you. Yeah. And I thought for a second when I sent, after I'd already sent the print file for posters to actually be printed, I saw it. And for a second, I just, I almost had a meltdown. Yeah. And Madison had to reassure me.

Starting point is 00:28:25 He was like, no, brother. No, it's February, Papa. Yeah, no, Papa. No, there's no on. Oh, dude, wait, hold on. We have to address one of the funniest Madisonisms I've ever seen. Martin, I think you saw it too. It was at the ceremony at Brain Dead.

Starting point is 00:28:41 Okay. Or maybe it was before Jeopardy. but someone like UPS or FedEx arrived and she was like Hi I'm looking for no no it was Yerba So it was before Jeopardy and they were like Hi I'm looking for Madison And he went

Starting point is 00:28:53 I'm me I'm Madison It was I've never seen him do that But I mean that is the That's just his vibe He's like he's him He's him truly

Starting point is 00:29:10 He is him period Love him Contention is next Fucking flor Florida, this set was, this was lit, dude. Yeah, Florida. Positively lit, 2.10 p.m. set. Assault rifle hardcore.

Starting point is 00:29:30 Straight up to, hey. I love that, yeah, it's just like, when you see them on Spotify, everything is just like, military related. Yeah, here's missiles and guns. Tell me about putting them on. Yeah, I think it was just like a sort of a no-brainer type of thing where, you know, I don't really, we, uh, terror had been in Europe and we crossed past a, few times and played some some shows together and stuff and uh yeah just just made sense to have have

Starting point is 00:29:57 them on there and have some florida representation and so band full of lifelong pitters yeah yeah and that's when you know you're you're you're at the right place so contention great job set was awesome i just saw them at outbreak two is insane yeah speaking of which dynamite was next one of my like one of my favorite bands right now you know it's like my style definitely How long have you known Alex the singer? I haven't known. Like, we've known each other through circles of friends for a long time, but I just really got to know him better fairly recently. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:39 And he does, he does like, he books shows. He's fucking, he's hilarious. I just met him, went to dinner with him, and London, had a great time. Great guy, yeah. Hellarious. Yeah. Great band. I mean, it's just like, dude, they're incredible.

Starting point is 00:30:53 So straightforward and perfect. and yeah, it's just... Check out their new record. It's hardcore. It's from early this year or late last year, but it's unbelievable. Straight up hardcore music. Yes. The way the prophecy foretold.

Starting point is 00:31:07 The old. Exactly. The old one. We had a big-ass truck I.E. Up next. Tell me about putting them on. You know, it just, it had to be done. And I mean that in a good way.

Starting point is 00:31:29 Of course. Like, God, you know, like, they're the homies now. And I just, it's, it's like, it should be studied, like how crazy the pop has just happened for them. You know, it's like, I'm sure they're just like, what the hell is going on, you know? Like, what? Yeah. It's a meme come true, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:52 And, like, I, it's a meme come true. I'm reluctant to speak about the band in this sort of way because I don't want to come off as disrespect. I'm not being that way at all, but it is, I'm like, you can tell they're not really, you know, I feel that they're not taking themselves all too serious. That is why it was. I mean, it was like, clearly we're just having fun type of thing. And it just worked. And there's, you know, I think there is some tsunami influence on the brand overall of Bayesstruck.

Starting point is 00:32:23 They covered Heybreed. That was cool. What was the song that they started with where they played it over the piece? and every person in the crowd knew it. It was like a pop song. Some pop song, yeah. I don't know, man. I was just like, what is happening?

Starting point is 00:32:35 I don't know. They played Warped Toy the other day, and they covered attack attack. Oh, wow, I didn't know that. So they, they're chameleons who blends to wherever they are. Yeah, they're about to play, what's the Chicago? I always get, right, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:52 That's insane. It is. Big ass truck and Harmsway playing Riot Fest for the first time. Yeah. The same year. The same year. One's been around for 20 fucking years. So the truck is moving, man.

Starting point is 00:33:05 I would love for terror to play. Oh, I don't know. Do I? I don't know. It would be cool, but I'm not like, I want to play so bad or anything like that. It would be cool, though, yeah. I think, and I can say this having been to

Starting point is 00:33:16 quite a few riot fest from the front and the back, like it's the next tier after something like Sound and Fury. Where it's like, that's still. Wow. I would have thought. thought it was like two to three tiers beyond. But like, we're talking without major, like, it's not a Danny Whitmer fest or like it's not some, like it's still, it's owned by one guy and that's the one thing.

Starting point is 00:33:41 It's independent. Yes. Wow, that's beautiful. So you don't, you don't see that. You don't see that. You really don't. So I, and I only bring that up, meaning like, I want you to go and play. And I think terror, terror absolutely fucking fits on that fest.

Starting point is 00:33:56 I mean, I would think so. Yeah. Absolutely. Other things similar. Yeah. On it before. We had Lagrimas up next. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:11 Melodic crust out of Los Angeles. Tell me about booking them and putting them on. Yeah, that was more of a Madison suggestion. And then once I got into the vibe of it and everything, it was just like, oh, yeah, this is incredible. You know, like, it kind of fits in with the February and the New Mears world of stuff that is popping right now. And zero bad sets so far. Yeah, I mean, I don't feel that anything was bad the entire weekend. I agree.

Starting point is 00:34:41 It just really felt like everyone had exactly what they wanted. Yeah, it's really cool. And like seeing a band like them go up there and I feel like they acknowledge like, you know, something along the lines of we're not a hardcore band, but thank you because their set was great. Yeah. And people were into it. We have a lot of lucky enough to have a lot of younger, open-minded people and even older open-minded people. and even older open-minded people like myself, you know, who can just kind of, I'm down, you know.

Starting point is 00:35:08 It was great, yeah. And then lotion came up next. Yeah, you know, the, the, Alex is his name right? Death Traders. Oh, is that, is he in lotion? Yeah. Oh, I have no idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:18 That's why all their art is so good. They have the coolest merchandise ever. Great band, crazy set. Yeah. I've seen them before, but this is like kind of a whole other level, especially this volume. The way they present their band is just so cool, the lotion multinational corporation. It's like this weird cyberpunk-ish type of thing. Japanese.

Starting point is 00:35:40 Yeah, it's just cool. Like, very thought out, very cool. And yeah, that was awesome. And then. It's an artist's band. And now that makes a lot of sense. It's just like everything is very intentional and curated. Very intentional.

Starting point is 00:35:55 You know, Lagermas, lotion, Costa, Koon. I feel like those three in a row kind of made a lot of sense. I agree. Costic wound is just like unreal. That's a band that I love and like their new record is crushing. I don't, I don't necessarily know what they would call themselves as far as like genre goes. It's like very grind core.

Starting point is 00:36:20 Yeah, grindy death metal type of shit. Yeah. But it's just, it's great. And it's heavy a perspective. Yeah. Yeah. So back to back,

Starting point is 00:36:30 caustic wound to missing link was kind of an awesome. Lotion to caustic wound to missing link was like, Oh, this is what this whole thing's all about here. And then Missing Link just turned the place into like the biggest pit. Unbelievable set. That was one where I watched, I was on the skillet and I watched the whole thing. Big fan of the skillet this year, by the way. Love the skillet.

Starting point is 00:37:02 We were told that the skillet were like, oh, we're going to shade it this year. And then I was like, oh, that's awesome. You know, very excited to see how it. And there was shade. There was four umbrellas that never quite shaded it. We'll call them paras. Four little parasols. I guess that's all we get.

Starting point is 00:37:17 The guy giving out cards got shaded. The rest of us were soaking up the sun. But that was fine. I think if anything, it just kind of discouraged being there. For me, so I wanted to be in the front, you know?

Starting point is 00:37:31 Yeah, being in the front is always the best place. It's the best. It sounds better. You get to be amongst the people. It's beautiful. Take it all in. Missing link.

Starting point is 00:37:39 What a fucking set. This is, feels like kind of the big blow-off send-off after their unbelievable record watched me bleed last year. Yeah. The 2024 Hardler Award for album of the year. I always love to see people who have been grinding for so long get this kind of response and this kind of payoff.

Starting point is 00:38:02 And this set was so thoroughly insane that this was kind of the first big, like big, the fucking who's that peeking in my window? Part of like 5,000 people singing that was unbelievable. This was the first time I saw them with Killa, too. So it was like my first time seeing. He's never there. He's busy. He's busy guy.

Starting point is 00:38:24 He's bouncing around. That was awesome to see that. Yeah. Well, yeah. And they played Friday night as well. So I got to see him. That was my second time seeing him for the weekend. I heard some new missing link stuff.

Starting point is 00:38:35 Oh. They've done it again. They've done it again. I'm looking forward to it. We had fucking whisper. is up next. Yeah, so, I mean, man, I just, I feel emotional just bringing them up. It's just another case of finally being able to have international bands get recognition here in the United States, which has been hard forever. Yeah. It's like these, these scenes have existed across the entire

Starting point is 00:39:11 world for ages, just as long as it has here, you know, and a lot of times those bands never got to make it out of their country and to see a band come here. I've been lucky enough to play in Thailand a few times over the past two decades. And who was front and center in the pit making the show good was these five guys and Gap. And Gap. Yeah, yeah. So to be able to just like, I guess, sort of pay it forward, like them always showing love and support for American bands and then being able to have them come out here. I mean, they're doing a bunch of other shit too.

Starting point is 00:39:45 Oh, they're crushing. They just did a two-week Australia tour. Yeah, and they're coming back. They're going to be back in L.A. again soon at the tsunami scowl, Nuevo Testimento show at the Palladium. Pladium. Wow, wow, wow. So they're like doing, they're a good band.

Starting point is 00:40:00 It's not just like, I don't want it to sound like some charity case of like, oh, we're just, just because they're international. No, I think it works because of how good they also are. And I mean, they're the MVP's of the piece of merch for the weekend. Yeah. Easily. The, oh, I can't remember the actual name. Hong Thai.

Starting point is 00:40:16 The Whispers. on the tie. And a lot of people here don't know what it is, but it's like a it's like a, it's like, it's like VIX basically. Natural herbal VIX. Yeah. And listen, they'll say it's not addictive. But you hang out with these motherfuckers for 10 minutes. Just watch the set.

Starting point is 00:40:33 Yeah. That full is in between every song. He's hitting it. It's crazy. It looks like he's doing drugs. They're hooked on it. They're hooked on Hong. Yeah. But I do think it's, I know, like you said, it's not a charity thing whatsoever. But it is possibly the, coolest aspect of what you do is give a platform to bands. And somehow it's always right when they need it. It's always like this like the speed thing was perfect. This whispers thing is perfect.

Starting point is 00:40:59 Even the missing link moment like you said, Colin is like just like this perfect like that's a really good time. And I think that's actually the coolest thing that's on in Fury does is it gets eyes on people who at the most opportune time. It can also really only happen in heart core and punk. Yeah. Is that in this tiny genre that is this little fish

Starting point is 00:41:25 in the big pond of music, you as a musician can get to know these five guys from Thailand over the years and peripherally watched them and their band figure out who they are. Finally get to a point where it's like, okay, these guys who I've

Starting point is 00:41:41 seen this whole time who have been supporting everything are ready and I have the opportunity to personally ensure a little bit of success for them that I can provide. Only hardcore can that really happen. Yeah. Anywhere else, it's like, oh, it's a plant situation. It's numbers, numbers, numbers, yeah. But whispers, beautiful, unbelievable band, incredible reaction. That was awesome. Nobody caught my stage dive. They never do. Why don't you guys catch me, man? I have a theory. It's the boots. Scary. You're wearing me.

Starting point is 00:42:17 Yeah, but dude, if they caught me, the boots wouldn't come down as hard. So you think that, but they come down even, yeah. No. I've been not caught in sneakers, too. Impossible. I'm telling you. They never catch me. Nuevo Testamento is next.

Starting point is 00:42:34 This was absolutely insane. This was my most anticipated set of the weekend, or especially for Saturday. You know, I love and wanted to see everybody. obviously, but this one particularly, a lot of the reason is because I was curious to see how it was going to be received in that setting. And I mean, as you guys probably saw, it was beautiful. And I just couldn't, I like, I was so excited about it. And I just couldn't praise them enough afterwards. You know, if I got some, I had never met them before that. And so afterwards, I just had it like, I had this design. I had to go punish them. Yeah, two.

Starting point is 00:43:21 of them, the two guys in the band that are, you know, doing the, what do you call those drums? Oh, yeah. The electric drums, but you stand out and then the home you with like 100 keyboards. Yeah. They're both from Italy and have moved to the U.S. So they have like the thick accents and everything. Like you know they're Italian. And then the home girl, I believe, is from California. Oh, cool. I could be wrong. There you go. Taylor and I walked out to get food when they started. And when I got to like center field, of their stage, I just, we stopped and just watched for like a full 15 minutes was like, this is fucking awesome. What is this?

Starting point is 00:43:58 Like, they're good too. Like, it's like you hear it on. I've been listening to the records for, for a minute now before seeing them play. Yeah. So I already knew what I was about to hear and then hearing it live. I was very impressed with how, how well they pull it off, you know, so she can sing like a Oh, yeah. And the songs are incredible.

Starting point is 00:44:17 The melodies are unbelievable. They're like, they appear to be a well-oiled machine. Yeah, at this point. I really like that he's playing the electronic drums, too, because that's really easy. It's easier, honestly, to just play the other body. Yeah, and I'm sure there's some stuff happening in there that he's not actually, but he's going off.

Starting point is 00:44:35 Yeah, it's awesome. He can see in between songs, he's like, tired from my hit those drums, hard as hell and stuff. Yeah, it was just so cool, man. That was one of my favorite things. I think it's cool that you guys do that stuff because, I mean, we're, we're incubating all year here. the corman you know yeah we see so much of the same thing because it's what we love right that every now and then you see something like that and like it wakes you up for a minute of just what else is out there yeah

Starting point is 00:45:01 and also it's it's such a beautiful thing to see a group like that where even though they sound wildly different from everything else it's like there's an adjacent adjacentness to it you know like you know that it make it's like an unspoken thing that makes sense because of i guess who who the people are that are in the group or something. Or, yeah, it's just, it's not, it's not like, it doesn't feel like pulling from the outside world and placing it. Right. Within our world.

Starting point is 00:45:31 You know, it's like, it's pulling from within the world. That's how it feels to me. Yeah, you know somewhere in, in their past, they were in this band that played with that band. And you just, like, look at the shirts that they're wearing on stage. And, like, afterwards, when I finally met them, both of them were like, so nice to finally meet you. I've seen you guys play in Italy many times.

Starting point is 00:45:49 in Milan and stuff like that. So it's like there is, you know, we're part of the same thing, even though they sound wildly different than a lot of other stuff, you know, which is what more,

Starting point is 00:46:01 that's perfect. Yeah, that's right. You know, and it's like, even pop bands, only in hardcore. You know,

Starting point is 00:46:06 it was like it wasn't, it was maybe a little less extreme back then, but I would go to shows as a kid and it's like, the hardcore band would play and then like a band like swing set and June would get on. And they're this straight up emo band,

Starting point is 00:46:17 but it made perfect sense. have them play right before throwdown plays or something, you know. So I love, I've always been a fan of that sort of thing. And people might think it's a new thing to do that sort of stuff, but it's been happening for as long as I can remember. Yeah, the discussion of mixed bills has been ever present for sure. We all know. The ethics outweigh the sound, always.

Starting point is 00:46:44 Yeah, so then that is so. Snubbed on site is next. I love those sort of transitions. it's like from that to that, yeah, snuffed on site is crazy. But like for snuffed on site, the ultimate blessing. Yeah. It's like, okay, they've had a 25 minute break from moshing. Right, which is, this is the perfect place to play.

Starting point is 00:47:07 That's a conscious decision to do that sort of thing. I was going to ask. Are you looking at the lineup like, okay, we need. Yeah, it's like dynamic. Yeah. Dynamic plays a huge role in the lineups. Oh, that's so cool. It's just like, you know, musicians here, like when you're thinking about the dynamic of it.

Starting point is 00:47:23 Yeah, it's like track listing. Exactly. Yeah. snuffed on site over the last couple years has evolved into like a killing machine of of I guess it's slam you know it's like post death core slam I believe they call it dummy death and they've called the shirts call it something else I'll tell you that I are yeah are fight metal are fight metal people well dude I'll be singing and somebody will just hold up that shirt it's like what are you saying are you calling are you calling me? that. Thanks. But yeah, this set was fucking insane. One of the most violent of the day, which I always

Starting point is 00:48:04 like to see. Tell me about putting snuffed on side on. The like, oh, it just, yeah. You know, they're from the Bay Area and coupling them with bands like peeling flesh on the festival as well. It just makes perfect sense. Like, there's people there that that's, you know, their main

Starting point is 00:48:20 focus. That's their genre. They're like, this is the kind of shit that I really love, you know. But there's so much crossover. It's like a regular modern hardcore kid most likely is down with snuffed on site as well. Totally. It just made, they all of these bands tore together all the time. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So not uncommon. Yeah. That was definitely a good one. Yeah. And then to keep the intense moshing and violence up, it went straight into weapon X. Dude, this was insane. I don't know. Do we say X weapon X? I think you just call it. Because like with excessive four.

Starting point is 00:49:02 They always stylized it with an X in front two, but I never called him. Oh, wait. I think it's just weapon X. It's Little X. Little X. But I think it's not just weapon. It's weapon X. It's Wolverine.

Starting point is 00:49:17 This was unbelievable. This is their third. Is it third or second time? I think it's their second time. It's just their second time. Yeah. I mean, this is a band that, in my opinion, because I feel like they're, you know, they don't get to play that often. They're basically just what appears to be a side project

Starting point is 00:49:34 because their members are so busy with other stuff. So I feel like they could be the next contender for the most sound and theories played. You know, it's just a band that like they always... Easy. It just fits so well, you know? And they just, they bring an energy that is, that I would love to see there.

Starting point is 00:49:54 We would love to see there every year. And it's like, just keep coming back, dude. Like run it back again. Totally. I would love that. They got two demos. I'm sure someday they'll have three demos. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:05 And then they can just keep doing it. This is a four-piece band, obviously. Just an excuse for Brian and Isaac to play with Brian's brother and their friend, Dave. Yeah. I just want to say, real quick, we obviously didn't know in the moment, but Brian and Trey both lost a very close family friend the day before this set. And, you know, Weapon X is playing Saturday. Knocked Luce is playing Sunday.

Starting point is 00:50:31 So they're both, you know, playing these very emotionally charged sets without really talking about it or telling anybody. Yeah. And, you know, our hearts are with them. Rest in peace to their very dear friend. It made, in hindsight, looking back, you can tell there was something extra special behind both of these. And in particular, Trey, smashing this kit for this set. Incredible set. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:59 rest of peace. Yep. Forced order is next. The return of my beloved. One of my favorite California hardcore bands of all time. This is family shit. Saw a trainer,

Starting point is 00:51:19 a shardineer, Rocky Trejo acting irresponsibly in the pit for that. Good. Good. I love to see that. Yeah, I was really curious how this would go over. Yeah. I think they're in that sweet spot of, you know,

Starting point is 00:51:31 they stopped playing shows recent enough. to where also long enough ago that some younger people Nobody's forgotten. Might have missed them. Many people missed. You know, like just a year off,

Starting point is 00:51:46 then they would have been able to see them. And then people who are a little older remembers them still. And it's still around. It's not like some band that was around 30 years ago or something. Got you. You know, people are too old or whatever. So it's like they hit that sweet spot.

Starting point is 00:52:00 And kind of everyone converged in the middle. It felt like, yeah. And they still got it. Yeah, they still got it. Still got it. I mean, it's essentially it's Whittier, hardcore because if you have a member from Whittier, we know how that goes. I really did.

Starting point is 00:52:15 Nick is also like a ultra marathon runner guy, so his endurance, he was pitting the whole set. It's crazy. Didn't miss a word. And that doesn't happen if you've been out of the game singing for a while. So unbelievable. Nick obviously sang in harness before Forced Order, so he's been doing it for a while. the game's been missing him on vocals. You got Kyle Thomas from Disgrace,

Starting point is 00:52:39 ex-Gods hate, twitching tongues on guitar. Mike, my sweet Mike on guitar, crushing. Alfred on bass. Who has, he's Sabalba alumni. Yeah, see, there you go. Dorian on drums from Soul Search, the funniest person to ever live.

Starting point is 00:52:59 One of the all-time grades. I love this man. Did he play in his boots? I don't think he did, but he was wearing them all day. Yeah, he was. So his dogs were barking. I like that. I love Forrestorder so much.

Starting point is 00:53:12 I hope people, I hope this inspires people to go back and revisit the catalog. I know while watching them, every minute of those songs flooded back to me. Yeah, yeah, same. Evil, wittier, hardcore. Sounding absolutely perfect. And they played a very sick youth of today cover. They did. I was locked.

Starting point is 00:53:30 What cover? I'm sorry. Break down the walls. They did? Yeah. I missed that. Wow. Sick.

Starting point is 00:53:35 Pretty good. That's incredible. Seeing Kyle play breakdown on the walls is really funny. This is it? That was fucking easy, dude. Big boy is next. Top. What can I say?

Starting point is 00:53:56 Three sets of the weekend, probably. This one made me really happy. They create a vibe that is like, I feel like it's, it's, it encompasses what I feel of fury is now. Wow. It's just like something about them. and watching the homie big boy just be the happiest guy ever. Brandon.

Starting point is 00:54:15 He's like up there with, you know, him and, and, um, Sammy from Drain. But Sammy has, like, a different type of happy energy. It's, like, more kind of aggressive in a weird way with focus. And, like, he was born for stadiums and, you know? And, and. Brandon's the homie next door. Yeah. He's just like, it's like the most chill person ever, you know, and just the,

Starting point is 00:54:39 my favorite photos that I've seen from all photos from the weekend have been of Big Boy. And there's one where he's just like engulfed with all these people that have attacked the stage. And you just, it's like, where's Waldo? He's like right in the middle. And he just has the biggest smile on his face. And he looks so happy. And I'm like, man. What a cool guy.

Starting point is 00:54:59 This is another case of the guys that shows who were making the shows so good for so long by pittin and supporting everything. finally getting their day in the sun by just like creating music that they love and it's such a unique brand of hardcore and that it's as aggressive as it is like

Starting point is 00:55:20 welcoming and relatable can I tell you something? Can I tell you something? Can I tell you something? Can I tell you something? Always. This like I watched this from kind of behind the stage like kind of on the ground but to the side

Starting point is 00:55:32 I was smiling ear to ear the whole time because they got such a warranted, great reaction. And you could tell, like you said, they were just having the best time. So it just made me really happy. It was awesome. It was a beautiful thing to witness.

Starting point is 00:55:47 Three years in a row, and it gets better every year. It's like, that's a testament to how the band is connected with it. Yeah, next time he just should not have a microphone because I don't think he needs it. It's just like the loudest. He just have, yeah, he has a choir in front of them.

Starting point is 00:56:02 It's crazy. Beautiful. So crazy. Yeah. Pain of Truth, return to Sound and Fury next. Did they not play last year? They didn't play last year. I believe they were on tour. I'm pretty sure we had talked about.

Starting point is 00:56:23 We were trying to make something work last year, from what I remember, but they did play the year before. And they had a little bit of a... I don't like talking about it too much, but that was like the whole bike rack incident. It kind of bled into their set. And it just, you know, I feel like it hindered their experience a little bit. and then this year just... I mean, what they've done in the past two years

Starting point is 00:56:47 and what they've become and evolved into with the LP. Truly, like, a professional music machine. This was, like, perfect. Yeah. So prior to this Sound and Fury, the last time I had really seen them was on the Kubla Khan tour that we did with them, right? And they weren't new by any means,

Starting point is 00:57:08 but it was still just like, we've never toured together before so I was kind of like learning them figuring them out. Then fast forward to earlier this year, they're playing Sonic Temple. They got an inflatable dog. They're all wireless out. They're so pro. They sound so

Starting point is 00:57:24 fucking good. Yeah. And it carried over into this set so well. Yeah. And pro for like what I feel of all the right reasons. Yeah. They're not trying to like efficient. Be corny or anything like that. No, non- derogatory.

Starting point is 00:57:40 off in a weird way. But yeah, just like, they're all over the place. You know, they're moving all over the place. Michael's all over the place. It's like, makes sense to all, like, graduate and be like, you know what? We should probably have wireless, so our shit's not getting unplugged. Yeah. We're playing.

Starting point is 00:57:54 We're now getting asked to play these stages that are 10 times bigger than any stage that I've ever played before. So might as well step the game up, you know, and fill the space with this cool ass, scary, inflatable dog. I love the dog. I wish they brought the dog. I wish they brought. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:10 I don't think we could have accommodated it on the stage. The dog could have been in the pit. Too many people want to hang out on stage. So the dog had no place. Yeah. How do you, what are your thoughts on that this year? I feel like you managed it pretty well this year.

Starting point is 00:58:23 We're learning. You know, it's like I'm always empathetic to everyone who feels the need to be on stage for whatever reason it might be. Sometimes it's just not, it's nothing. Sometimes there's just nothing we can do about it. And you can, you can be as upset as you want that you're not.

Starting point is 00:58:40 standing on the stage, but I feel, I feel like people should take a step back and think about why they're upset and what's the point, you know, it's like, yeah, I mean, a lot of the time I'm, I'll be bummed that I can't watch something and I'll be like, ah, it's no big deal. I'll go around and watch with people, the same way that people that are paying for the show are seeing. And then sometimes I'll be playing and I'll look around and be like, who the fuck is that? Yeah, yeah, and I'm kidding. I mean, like this, that thing of standing on stage has just been a part of our culture for, you know, time and memorial. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:12 So I understand it's kind of ingrained in everyone and I've been up there too. It's like I know what it's like. But sometimes when you have too many homies in one place, it just gets a little too congested. And then it starts becoming a problem because, you know, people, I've seen this happen. Like people step on. Like if everyone was aware and conscious of themselves and spatial awareness, they'd be different. but, you know, people are on plugging shit, leaving their half-drink water bottles on the ground

Starting point is 00:59:42 that are then spilling and getting on people's gear and just, like, just kind of taking up space and not being constructive in the process. Yeah, I have a fascination with how bands function and how guitar players set up their shit, how bands decide, like, is there a set list? Are you calling them out for memory? Like, I love, like, watching that as, like, a peer.

Starting point is 01:00:04 And my least favorite thing is to see a picture, of a band and then see me like on stage. That's like the worst part of my day. I just enjoy it. That should be the screen cap for this episode of that fit. How do they do that?

Starting point is 01:00:20 The stage potato face. Yeah. The gear analyst face. Yeah. I like to know. And we don't have to talk about this for much longer, but that is ultimately why we built

Starting point is 01:00:29 the skill in the middle because like you have a really good vantage point from that thing. You know, you can see everything happening really well without being actually on the stage and taking up space, you know, and we're still working on it,

Starting point is 01:00:41 you know, we're figuring out, at least we're trying to, like in our brains, we're looking to accommodate versus a lot of other festivals that end up having that many people there would just be like, fuck all of you.

Starting point is 01:00:54 Like, you guys get out of here. Like, yeah, we don't want anyone up here and blah, blah, blah. You can go to VIP out there. Like out. Some of the production people,

Starting point is 01:01:02 because that's what they're used to working with. Like, who cares? Like, they don't get them out of here. They're in the way. thing and we have to be like no let's figure out that our vibe is this and like you know we understand that this is part of everything so i've never thought about that way to make it work

Starting point is 01:01:15 type of thing and sometimes it doesn't work sometimes it does either way it's awesome paint of truth outstanding yes pain a truth unbelievable set yeah trash talk is trash talk returns to sound and fury yes after how long good question quite a while it had been a while for sure none of the i don't think they've done anything post 2016. Everything was before that. They played many times before that. Many times.

Starting point is 01:01:47 U-Haul. Yeah, the U-Haul thing was obviously the most memorable one of theirs. Yeah. So what was that? That was 2009 in Oxnard. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:57 The whole fest was inside in two stages. They played in a U-Haul. Outback. Out back in the merch area. So the entire place emptied out into the merch area, into the fenced-off merch area. It was like a singular outdoor thing of like people diving off the U-Haul, off like the roof of the building.

Starting point is 01:02:17 It was crazy. Yeah, there's some good photos of that. And like I believe someone wrote a story about it, like an editorial type of thing. And I think we have it in a link somewhere. Cool. Yeah, for anyone who doesn't know about it. That's why they had a U-Haul shirt. Google that story.

Starting point is 01:02:31 Yeah. Yeah. Aha. That makes perfect sense. So classic trash talk shenanigans. Obviously, this set was no different. There was no truck. but I mean, you know, that's just what they do.

Starting point is 01:02:41 They go crazy, you know, that's their whole vibe. And it's a little stressful sometimes watching it happen because you never, it's so volatile. You're not sure what's going to actually go down. And I saw monitors getting picked up. And I was like, oh, God, please don't hurt anyone with one of those. And it ended up being fine. And they had a great set. And they did.

Starting point is 01:03:00 You know, a lot of legendary people in the house to watch them. And yeah, it was. How has the Sound and Fury insurance policy of what? since 2006. Do you think, when was there an insurance policy put in place? I, honestly, I don't know pre-2016, sorry, 2000. Is that what I said? Yeah, you did.

Starting point is 01:03:26 My brain is going faster than my mother now. Yeah, pre-2016, I don't know, but I know that since then it's, it just gets harder and harder every time. Yeah, yeah. Do you put a deposit down or do you pay for insurance and lose that? I would prefer to not talk about insurance. That's deeply fascinating. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:51 It really is. I know. I understand, but it's like... But that answer is like the scariest one. I don't want that exploited on you. Fuck. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:59 I don't want... Fuck. Behave. Yeah, just behave and have fun. Yeah. And just keep in mind that people like us in an independent festival setting, if something really bad happens and you sue people, you're suing us, you know, and we are, we will get in charge.

Starting point is 01:04:17 It'll just like, it'll ruin our lives. Yeah, so. You're not, you're not suing Live Nation or something. You're suing. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, it's like, I know people that have worked with Live Nation that are getting sued now and they're getting sued personal. It's just like, awesome. No, quit suing, man.

Starting point is 01:04:32 Yeah, stop. Get alive. Yeah, we'll, the community will help you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Straight up. That's true. It's very true. So tell your parents, you got injured somewhere else, and we'll make the GoFundMe, okay?

Starting point is 01:04:46 Mind Force is next. Mind Force finally, like, closing a stage at a big festival. Yeah. You know? It felt like, I don't even know, man. It felt like they transported everyone into an alternate universe when I was watching their set. And I was like, wow, is this like, like, lollapaloo? or something. Because the sun

Starting point is 01:05:17 was down by that point and the way the crowd was lit and just how I guess how commanding and it's just the stage presence. Everything was just so dialed in and yeah I think they were just so on their game that

Starting point is 01:05:32 it was otherworldly when they played. This felt like mind forces flowers finally like formally arriving you know. I see. this big beautiful dark nighttime set of like everyone united in like hey this is the band we chose many years ago we love them so much and like front to back reaction was yeah bananas it was it was very

Starting point is 01:06:02 impressive it was so cool and they're always the tightest band it's crazy it's crazy yeah yeah what mike does by himself yeah i i don't get it's uh it's truly shocking like i I don't think people... I feel like if you don't play guitar, you might not realize that he's... What he's doing is so impressive. You know, his single guitar player in a band like that was such tricky... Tricky stuff happening, you know, and it just sounded... While not just standing stuff.

Starting point is 01:06:31 Yeah. It's just flawless every time, yeah. So what a cool band. Most fun guys, too. And Jay is just an MVP. Legend. Like, total legend. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:41 Well, they all are. Most valuable Paisan. Yeah. I have, I have something funny to say about him once we get to the, some, so, oh, okay. I think I know where you're getting that. And then, yeah, so mind force just absolutely dominated. Beautiful set.

Starting point is 01:06:58 And then just right into, like the mind force to basement thing is like, like I said, it's two different universes, but, you know, parallel to each other. Yeah, yeah. The basement set was equally just, it's a beautiful thing happening, but obviously wildly different. that they don't sound anything alike. Basement has played Sound and Fury before, and then for them to be able to do this and close out the night completely.

Starting point is 01:07:32 I think they were pretty... I watched them kind of posting about the show coming up on their social media and stuff like that, and it seemed like they were really excited to be able to do this. So that's always nice to see people excited about it. So it was just... I mean, I saw people crying and stuff. Like, it's not...

Starting point is 01:07:49 Yeah, it was just... I mean, they've evolved. into a completely different thing since the last time they played Sound of Fury and they've connected to like a whole different world. Right. We toured with them and shared a bus with them earlier this year. So that's how I like got to know all of them. And they're just like, it's an interesting pairing. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:08 Well, it was knocked loose basement, us in pest control. Oh, yeah. That's right. Yeah. That's an interesting lineup. It's a good lineup. It worked great. Work great.

Starting point is 01:08:17 And, you know, they are such a lovely group of guys. Yeah. And seeing them was really nice. and I could tell they were excited. You know, they were pumped to be there. And I knew, as soon as I saw that they were closing out this Saturday, I knew that that was going to be like a momentous set for them, you know. Just a lot of emotions flying around. I've never met him.

Starting point is 01:08:39 The only interactions I've ever had was in the green room in 2013. Which no one remembers, by the way. No one, no one remembers. It happened. Not one person, including. James called someone in it. It happened. Your James?

Starting point is 01:08:51 Yeah. Yes, he did. It happened. Called someone in basement. The singer. Was he being an idiot? He spilled a plate of food on him. And he said, he said, I'm so sorry.

Starting point is 01:09:03 I'm nice to meet you. My name's Andrew. I'm a complete idiot. And James said, nice to meet you, idiot. Okay. With context, it's different. Asked Andrew. Asked James.

Starting point is 01:09:13 Ask everyone else. None of them remember. No one remembers this. Pepper's fucking farmers remembers. Okay. None of you were. I was aware. I was watching.

Starting point is 01:09:22 Okay. I like it. Yeah. Beautiful. In that case, if he did say idiot, it's fun. It's pretty funny. I agree. It was endearing.

Starting point is 01:09:29 It's like Costanza. Yeah. And since it's James, it makes perfect sense. I agree. I mean, nice to meet you, idiot. Pardon this interruption. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage. Boy, is it ever?

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Starting point is 01:11:01 Just send him a message. He's a very nice guy. He's got good stuff. We're at Sunday now. Yeah. Well, hold on. I want to know, Martine, after day one, how do you unwind? What do you do?

Starting point is 01:11:12 You go straight home? That night, I went out to, I went out. Went out that night in celebration. Yeah. And I was just like, I was on a high, you know, from just, feeling good about everything and just all the friends in town and stuff. I ended up at the Rainbow Room. What?

Starting point is 01:11:28 Legendary place in West Hollywood. Why would you do that? Rocker Central. Because that's where some people just wanted to go there. It was like guys from Knocked Loose, Mind Force, just kind of an interesting collection of people all wound up there afterwards. And it's far. Yeah. Like, but, you know, I felt if someone from within Los Angeles was like, let's go to West Hollywood tonight, I would be like, kiss my ass.

Starting point is 01:11:59 Yeah, no way. I'm not going all the way out there. I hate, the west side of Los Angeles does not exist to me anymore. You know, it's just like, ugh, can't be bothered. But because of who went, who was going, I was like, you know what? I got to, you know. I got to pay respects, you know, so I ended up having a great time. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:12:17 So that's how I winded. And then for the first time ever, I used. a Waymo taxi to get back to my hotel. Tell me all about this. It's interesting, man. It's a very surreal experience. And, you know, I had to go to this hotel that was on the same street to get picked up because that's like the pickup spot. And so this thing, you just watch this thing autonomously navigate through people, pull into the pickup area.

Starting point is 01:12:43 And then, you know, I think I scanned my phone or something like that or you click a button on your phone or whatever. and then it unlocks and you get in and it's like the most bizarre feeling to sit in a taxi and you just look there's no one in there. So how long you've been driving for Waymo? But you want to say like, 01-0-0-1.

Starting point is 01:13:02 And then you just like say you're ready to go and then it just takes off and it drove perfectly. It's so bizarre. I like it. I'm for them. I like it too, but it also when you do it, you'll get a slight sense of dread. I feel where you start realizing.

Starting point is 01:13:19 what the world. I'm dead in this thing. I'm dead alone. Also, like where we're headed. In 20 years. It's a snapshot into the future, you know, of like, wow, we're about to, we're going to see some crazy shit. Yeah, we're there. Like, we already have seen some crazy shit that doesn't seem that crazy because it's been a gradual thing.

Starting point is 01:13:37 And it's like, oh, this makes sense. Then it's going to explode. I think we're two years from like. Like, shit you see it like minority. I was just going to say minority report. That's exactly right. Yeah. I think there's going, like a lot of people's,

Starting point is 01:13:52 I don't think as many people's jobs are going to be in peril as some lists. There's going to be a lot more new jobs, I feel like. So maybe if you're a taxi driver or a trucker, something like that. Yeah. Trucks, fuck. But you can't. Yeah. Do you think about Logan, all the automated trucks.

Starting point is 01:14:12 Like, that's a reality. That's happening. But then, you know, just be. I don't know. I'm not. Yeah. I feel like you could then learn. repair them more.

Starting point is 01:14:20 Yeah, yeah. Be part of the people that build them more. Totally. AI is... It's coming, man. It's scary. It's coming. It's bad.

Starting point is 01:14:29 Dude, I love thinking about the fact that the three of us, remember life pre-cell phone and pre-internet, and now we're talking... Yeah. I'm like prime... I'm OG millennial, I believe. Yeah, like 1981. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:42 It's like the first year that they consider to be a millennial. So it's like, my childhood was like zero technology. you know, and then I finally got a computer at the house, think when I was in high school or something, barely knew how to use it, dial up internet, could barely use it ever, you know, didn't have a cell phone until after I graduated high school, you know,

Starting point is 01:15:02 so, but then once I got it, I was like, all in. You are, you are. You are a tech guy. I remember you posting on your MySpace, you had a bulletin that was a picture of the first iPhone. Oh, yeah, yeah, I had the first one. You were really excited about it? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:15:18 It was awesome. But you were like, no, you hadn't had it yet. Oh. You posted it like, I'm getting, like, yes. Okay, yeah. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm sold. I already drank. Yeah, I drink the Apple Kool-A.

Starting point is 01:15:28 You're the tech, you're OG tech. I signed up for, like, all my lights are linked in together. I could turn my lights on at home right now and shit. Just like, I love that sort of technology, harmless stuff like that. In the AI war when it happens, are we all fighting on the human side? No, no, no, no. I'm like, I want to be, I want to be. I wanted to plug back into the Matrix

Starting point is 01:15:50 like the homie Ralph Cifero does in the Matrix. So you'll be eating yummy steaks while listening to Master Killer 3. Ignorance his place. So Martinez, unfortunately, with the machines. So. So Sunday, sound of fury.

Starting point is 01:16:12 You and I will be eating gruel somewhere. Listening to OG Master Killer Vanilla. You know? He's on three and four and five. Death Lens opened up Sunday of Sound and Fury. They're on Epitaph. I had never heard them before. They blew my fucking mom.

Starting point is 01:16:27 Yeah, it's like punk. It's like reminiscent to me of bands like the Bronx. Yeah, but way harder. And like jumpy and kind of like energetic. It was extreme punk. Yeah, yeah. I loved this set. I didn't, I didn't know who they were before we decided to have them included

Starting point is 01:16:56 in the lineup. And so I probably did a same thing that you did where I took a deep dive and was like, this is sick. Like, why is this good? I love this. Yeah, this is really good. I love that sort of thing. That I'm learning along with everyone else. I love that. Yeah. I watched Colin Spitey Sense go off.

Starting point is 01:17:12 Like they were playing and I watched you like, who is this? I was like, what the fuck? This is unbelievable. Yeah, yeah. I hear, hey, we're a punk man from East L.A. Yeah. And then you're good? That's all you need to hear, yeah. Yeah, that was something that I thought about earlier today

Starting point is 01:17:29 Where it's like that's where the The playlist that we do comes into perfect play Where I have you know, a lot of my friends My peers that are around my age Every year that we've done this so far I always get the I don't know who these bands are Yeah, yeah yeah Good dusty ass that I always think that's such a funny

Starting point is 01:17:47 Way to approach stuff Yeah Who? Yeah it's almost like they're exposing you're saying it In a derogatory way I feel like I don't even know what this is, but it's like, well, why don't you learn something, man? And I think the playlist is perfect for that. It's like, I've sent people that are playlists that we put together and be like, well, you don't know.

Starting point is 01:18:06 Here you go. You might like all of this, you know, check it out. Yeah, so Death Lens kicked it off. Great opening set. Yeah, right into my second most anticipated thing of the weekend. Nuevo being the first, Mongrel. Mongrel is like my favorite modern band at the moment. And you know how I know they're awesome is my older brother is my gauge for these things.

Starting point is 01:18:40 I send him music all the time. And he's very objective about everything and he doesn't get excited about much. But Mongrel got him. Got him. Yeah, yeah. These are our boys. We're so proud of them, this record that we jumped at the chance to be part of. Unbelievable.

Starting point is 01:18:58 This is their first time playing Sound and Fury. unbelievable set at 2.05 p.m. Well, dude, it's kind of an unspoken thing that, like, opening up either stage at a lot of fests, actually, like opening up a stage is, like, kind of a mark of prominence. I believe that firmly, yeah. People who don't understand that will make comments about who's opening.

Starting point is 01:19:22 Like, can't believe so-and-so is playing first. And it's like, well, what does that mean? There's no, there's nothing, there's no loss of, honor in the first band to play. I mean, it's, it's, it's still, it's, everything's important. Especially now that it's two hours after doors and people have plenty of time to do whatever.

Starting point is 01:19:40 And it's like the track listing thing, like you said earlier, it's like that the first song and the last song, they're not less important than each other, you know? It's like they all play their role. If anything, the first song is kind of, kind of, the vanguard, you know what I mean? Set in the vibe. Being on the lineup alone is a, is a mark of prominence.

Starting point is 01:20:00 and Mongrol has earned their spot. They killed it, dude. Unbelievable set. The whole set was good. The whole record's good. But the part, the weird three-four-time part. Sinking-kinkin-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-kk. Oh, and having Greg, the homie, Greg on guitar.

Starting point is 01:20:16 Yeah, like Greg Chirwanka, filling in. That was, I mean, Mikey only wasn't there because he was actually filling in for me with Zabalba in Europe at the time. Oh, okay. So that's why he had to miss the show. then, you know, tapping in with Greg was the best thing they could have done because, you know. And dude, San Diego, like the OG take offense and life or death, which has members of Mongrel are like the Mount Rushmore of that generation.

Starting point is 01:20:47 Yeah. And those guys have never played a band together. Greg has never played music with the life or death guys. Oh, really? So this was beautiful. One thing that I just want to brag about is since they were the first band on the cream state. over there. So before doors were open, they were already

Starting point is 01:21:04 set up over there essentially doing a line check and I heard them, they covered a life or death song. Played the whole thing. Yeah. And I was just, me and Riley, Sean Riley put life or death records out on 1917 records. So it's like we've been fans, not fans, I hate that word.

Starting point is 01:21:20 We've loved them forever. You know, been supporting them for a long time and then hearing that, I was like, this is the coolest thing ever. That was like the highlight of my day was hearing a pre-doors cover of life or death. Dude, pre-doors, they were testing out the PA with Cola Boy as people were coming in. Oh, man.

Starting point is 01:21:39 And I straight up, stood in the field in front of both stages and like, whipped for a second. Yeah, no, that's, it wrecked me. Yeah, that was a conscious decision to play his, make sure his music is a part of the festival. And then it finally came back on as God's Hate was about to play. Oh, I didn't even realize that. Yes. It was beautiful. RIP.

Starting point is 01:22:02 He was with us, RIP. Yeah. So, yeah, Mongrel. Incredible. Delivered. Best band of all time.

Starting point is 01:22:11 Directing to combust the toilet paper bandits. But what a year they've had, you know? They've been grinding for so fucking long. Yeah. And then they put out this record. A lot of their bands in the past.

Starting point is 01:22:29 Yes. You know, kind of a Voltron of people at this point. It's like it's not the same. I don't know if it's all the same people that started the band. It's not, but this is like this is combust. Yeah. Yeah, they're doing incredible.

Starting point is 01:22:42 Great band. Another just fantastic early set. Every set from, I'm not going to need to reiterate that more because every set is good all day. There wasn't one bad set the whole weekend. No, but it's just great to see them do well. And it's great to see just someone like just head first in classic New York hardcore. They're like, no punches pulled.

Starting point is 01:23:03 Like this is just. this is a, we're fine with being exactly this. Like, we don't need to do anything else. And it's kind of unapologetic. Yeah. It's very cool to see that. Kind of refreshing in a weird way. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:15 Is this their first sound of fury? Oh, yeah. Yeah. They've played, they've played California, LA before, but this is definitely the first sound of fury. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:24 I mean, that's as good as it gets for first time. It was really cool to be, so Terror was on tour in Europe earlier this year, and they were with us, and we, we were on a vehicle together. We shared a bus,

Starting point is 01:23:36 and that was my first time being around them like that. And we just all clicked together. I mean, you guys know Scott, so it's like day one. Oh, Scott's thoughts. And then it was just like,

Starting point is 01:23:48 he was getting just responses that he loves. And then all these debates start coming up about what record is better. So we just like really had that moment where we're like, these guys are amazing. And then to be able to on that tour, be like,

Starting point is 01:24:01 hey, you guys want to come play Sound and Fury? And they're like, absolutely. awesome. Did you talk graphic design with Alex at all? Legend. Yeah, we, we, he, because we were both working. We both work while on the road. So I would just kind of like peek over. Oh, what are you working on for Nause today? Yeah. He said, Lou Teng, not like everything, but like, I feel like he does shit for like, I'm not saying it is Taylor Swift, but stuff of that.

Starting point is 01:24:23 Yeah, he'll do like, he'll be like new, new ship for Ariana Grande. Yeah, and it's like, wow. Yeah, what a, yeah, what a legend. And it's funny to watch the dynamic because then you got Andrew, like, on Alex's ass like, oh, motherfucker, like, you're supposed to be doing shirt designs for us and you're busy doing shit for Nas and Wu-Tang and blah, blah, blah. It's like, well, yeah. Makes sense. But anyway, combust, incredible. Yeah, it was, it was an awesome set. And, you know, hearing from them directly how happy they were to have been able to play and just, like, the experience that they had was great and all around incredible. Beautiful.

Starting point is 01:24:59 Pest Control, Leeds, UK, first ever sound infuri set up next. They just finished their first U.S. tour ever. Boy, I did that. With you. Territuary, yeah. That was, nails. Yeah, that was my introduction to them, actually, and it went perfectly. I mean, they're the homies now,

Starting point is 01:25:16 and it just... Shredding machines. Lovely. Yeah, dude, Joe, there's two Joe's. Two Joe's, yeah. But the, the tall, more quiet one is a monster guitar player. And then other Joe, I know him, he played in... Yeah, and broken teeth back in the day and like,

Starting point is 01:25:42 I think he plays in big cheese, right? Yes, he does. Big cheese as well. And, yeah, just like a, I feel like a, is there a Germanitarian. Yeah, journeymen who have arrived now. They're doing the full international thing. They're crushing it in the UK.

Starting point is 01:25:57 They just played the main stage at Outbreak. So it's really cool to see American audiences picking up on that. There's a lot. There's so much beautiful music being made internationally. if you just open your mind and explore, it's all out there for you. It is. Midrift is up next.

Starting point is 01:26:20 Right. Some real pop punk type type shit. Yeah, yeah. And it went crazy. Yeah, they covered title fight. That's right. With the title fight cover and it was like a kind of acapella. Stressful how crazy.

Starting point is 01:26:31 Yeah. Bo and I looked at each other the second they started and we went cheap pop. But it was crazy. Dude, to me that was proof. Gotta give the people what they want. That was proof that title fight cannot come back. Because it would just be chaotic. They have to play at Madison Square Guard.

Starting point is 01:26:48 Wow. I think we can make something happen. I mean, that would be nice. I would love to see that. We could accommodate. We would love to see that. Wouldn't we love to see that comedy? We would.

Starting point is 01:26:56 We got to talk sing-along etiquette here. Okay. Because it's called a pile on, you know? You're supposed to pile on each other and earn the microphone, you know? You got to, we're singing up here. That's what it's all about. So you got to climb. the mountain to get to the singer.

Starting point is 01:27:17 They're cheating now. Yeah, they're going to the drums. They're coming right up to you and going. Just no etiquette. They're taking your mic while you're playing guitar. They're taking Alex Mike. Does any microphone available? I'm pulling the mic out of the bass drum.

Starting point is 01:27:33 They would. Don't say that. They'll do it. The stage is your stage. That's the whole point. But you jump off. Yeah, don't overstay. You're welcome.

Starting point is 01:27:43 I mean, I think it's pretty, I think everyone inherently has the clock in them. They know when they've overstated. Dude, that they just say fuck it and do it anyway. That's what you think. The clock is missing to a whole crop. Isn't it funny how full circle we've come that stage diving started because bouncers would kick kids off before they could sing on the mic. So you would beat the bouncer and jump off. Now we need bouncers again, apparently.

Starting point is 01:28:10 It's crazy. John, no. No. Self-balance. Self-balance, yeah. Get on, Gazinnah, gazada. Okay, that's what it's all about.

Starting point is 01:28:19 Pile on, off stage, to get to the stage, to have the privilege of the best, when I see a guy who, like, climbs a fucking mountain of people just to get to the mic, that mic is there. I will say very few people are doing the jump on the shoulder move anymore. Dude, that's classic. I know. It is classic.

Starting point is 01:28:38 Because of our recent, the Chicago episode, I was watching a bunch of fireside videos. They're all doing it. They're all doing it. I've done that to you. Yeah, it seems like a lost. I've had many people do that. My shoulders have been the launch pad for many of people.

Starting point is 01:28:51 As they should be. Yeah, I'm like, I get up there. I'll put my hands on the stage and brace myself just to be the guy. That's a good move. That's a great move, actually. Big guys got to do that. You know your role, you know? I'm not jumping off stage, but I will be the guy to catch you or be your platform to get up there.

Starting point is 01:29:10 Buddy. I need to be caught. Pile on. Next time I see you get on stage, I'm going to run to the crowd real quick and be... Oh my God. I would love that. I'll take my boots off.

Starting point is 01:29:22 Not to take away from the rest of Midriff's set, but that was something. They literally played that title fight song to just drums. Yeah, it was crazy. Everything else got unplugged. Destroyed everything. At least they did it last song.

Starting point is 01:29:35 Yeah, it was smart. But it was insane. Yeah, it really was insane. So great choice, guys. Guys. Cheapop. Outstanding choice. Went off.

Starting point is 01:29:46 People are just so hungry to see anything title fight related that they can get. Yeah. I think that was the first title fight cover I've seen. No,

Starting point is 01:29:57 one step closer did it. Yeah, they've done it before. A couple years ago. Oh, they did. Yeah. I'll say this. Crazy.

Starting point is 01:30:03 But it went off. You know, like the same thing. Last thing about title fight is that through our post-fest survey, still to this day, number one most requested band. Like by, you know, miles. It's crazy.

Starting point is 01:30:19 It's fascinating to me that, like, how many people didn't get to see them. I know. I know, because they were everywhere. They were everywhere. Yeah. The people that did see them are kind of shocked by how this is all playing out. Because you're like, yeah, like, we saw them all the time. You know, they toured hard.

Starting point is 01:30:37 Dude, they opened for harm's way and convicted for a tour. Ridiculous. Yeah, that's one of the coolest thing about them is they were always, it appeared that they were always down to play anything. Yeah. That, you know, that they wanted to do. It didn't matter, you know, what.

Starting point is 01:30:54 They're pitters, do they? I don't know what's up. Yeah, so crazy. Yeah, this was insane. But yeah. And Madison Square Garden awaits. Yeah. That doesn't sound of your.

Starting point is 01:31:02 Fatal Realm. Yeah, yeah. Up next, one of the best new bands on Earth today. Scary. Always cool seeing a three piece. just crush like that. Three piece. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:31:20 They don't have second guitar. Yeah, yeah. Just insane to watch a person plays so much complicated stuff while singing at the same time. Yeah. It's like dying fetus, you know? It's just like, what the hell?

Starting point is 01:31:34 You have to have two brains to do that. I can't wait for more songs. Yeah. I've run this demo back. It's still just the demo. How cool is that, though? They're playing Sound of Fury. They got a demo.

Starting point is 01:31:45 I just think that's how you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've shifted things. You know, people are paying a lot of attention to them. Incredible set. Incredible set, yeah. They got piled on and people were moshing. Stealing that mic.

Starting point is 01:32:00 I like the mic push when he knows it's time. Yeah, just like, you guys haven't. Not even going to try. Dude, yeah. Please don't touch myself. Do you ever do that? Give, give up. Because I worry about your teeth so much.

Starting point is 01:32:13 Yeah, I like, God, I feel like. to knock and wood about this. I have been, I've definitely been hit before, but I've also, I feel that I've developed a sixth sense for that sort of thing. And I've seen videos where I'm like doing some matrix hits

Starting point is 01:32:30 where I'm like, I'm impressed. I'm like, got out of the way just in time. Ring awareness. You know, I hope it never actually happens again, but I will fight to keep my microphone

Starting point is 01:32:39 because I, I'm just so used to using it so much. And I feel like I, I don't like when vocals are supposed to be there, and then they're just not there. So I always try to be on point. And a big part of terror stuff live, too, is like you doing.

Starting point is 01:32:57 Yeah, exactly. There's a choir. Keep your mouth shut. You start the second verse. You know, like there's stuff that has to happen. It has to happen, yeah. So sometimes it's just like inevitable. I can't fight it and I'll just be like, here you go.

Starting point is 01:33:11 If you're going to be that crazy and like attack me, I'm not like, go ahead. take it but give it back. I need it for the song. So yes. Beautiful. Fatal Realm. Fatal Realm into Balmora.

Starting point is 01:33:23 That's into Crush Your Soul. This is like a triangle of beauty. So I hadn't seen Balmora before because I didn't get to catch him at the pre-any of the kickoff shows or also had never, I don't think played a show with them before yet. And two of the homies in the band arrived at the festival in the backstage. And I had to ask someone, I think I may have asked you. I was like, who are those two guys? Because they looked so insane. I thought they were like, probably Jay for sure.

Starting point is 01:33:59 I thought they were rappers. I'm like, do rappers like or influencers show? Oh, dude, they're just like they look so crazy. And the cool, in a cool way. It's just like, you know, it's 80 degrees out. And these foals have puffy supreme jackets on and like crazy sunglasses and big ass pants and stuff. I was like, these guys are wild looking.

Starting point is 01:34:19 And then whoever I asked was like, oh, no, that's Belmore. I was like, oh, okay. Connecticut. Connecticut. It's different there. It is a different place. Yeah, yeah. So their set was wild.

Starting point is 01:34:30 Bunkers, dude. This is the best modern metal core band, I would say. Authentically doing, it's like you plucked them out of the early 2000s and just like placed them in my own times. Every detail, the production. Yeah, yeah. Which is crazy to because they're so young that it's like. they're really studying. They're really like,

Starting point is 01:34:52 they are students of the game. They're triple H. Yeah, definitely. Connecticut. Connecticut. That was cool to see them my first time getting to watch them and it was perfect.

Starting point is 01:35:04 It was something. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Brush your soul is next. The yin to the yang of fatal realm, you know? The other side of the mind force offshoots. It's like marauder mind force.

Starting point is 01:35:24 It's, it's, I think it's the, closest thing to the Eddie Leeway Marauder demo. That's a really good way to put it. I like that. The new record,

Starting point is 01:35:36 I can't believe. It makes me want to get money. They put two things out pretty quick. It was very back-to-back. I got to get money. That's what Crush Your Soul makes me think. My thing I wanted to say about him was that was my second favorite piece

Starting point is 01:35:51 of merch of the weekend, first being the Whisper's inhaler. Crush Your Soul had beach towels that look like $100 bills, did you see those? And it's a picture of John Gotti as the like center. And it's just the most

Starting point is 01:36:08 insane J. Mindvorse thing ever. He like rolled up to me with one. I didn't even know they had it at the merch table because I was scared to go over there. But he rolls up and he's like, yo, I got to give you this gift. You know, this Crush Your Soul merch.

Starting point is 01:36:23 And he's like wearing, I don't know, I think like a, A valour jumpsuit. Yeah. A valour suit or something insane, you know? And it's just like, I opened it up and it's just John Gotti. I'm like, this is, this is. Genius.

Starting point is 01:36:35 Yeah. Genius level shit. Like, so thought out. Such a cool. Another band where I just, I need more songs. I need more now. I feel like they're going to do. I think they're going to do more a lot more.

Starting point is 01:36:47 Yeah. I love it. I love this unit. I love everything that's happening in hardcore right now. So much of what I like. out there in so many different ways. And my soul is being uncrushed by great bands every day.

Starting point is 01:37:03 Cruelty. Being one of them. It being the main one maybe is next. This is a family affair. They finally come back. They played two years ago. They've been touring the world nonstop since then. Just a machine, you know.

Starting point is 01:37:28 You can tell, like, once a band hits that point where they're doing like a nonstop touring schedule for a year or more. Oh, man. And you just get so locked in. It's like a different, different band, you know? Tell me about having them back,

Starting point is 01:37:41 because I'm so glad you did. I'm so glad we got to have them back and it seemed like they were happy to be there again and just, it's just, they're just perfect. They're perfect. Such a cool band,

Starting point is 01:37:51 like the whole thing we already talked about, about international band. Yeah. Getting shown love and just being able to have cruelty be here and then doing the hard lore episode. and just realizing that... Doing two things with him in one week. Yeah, he's just a comedic genius.

Starting point is 01:38:09 He's a genius. He remembered the pizza thing right in the last skank part of the... Pizza maker! And then after this, he was like, it was good, man. I only saw like five pizza makers. Good, we don't eat anymore.

Starting point is 01:38:23 Five is the limit. No more than five. I want to reiterate. I know we talked about it in the Nugget episode, but we started a tour with them. in May that was like over a month and then they immediately went on to do the which tour Colin help me remember the dead heat tour uh no it was uh creeping death creeping down stone

Starting point is 01:38:49 immediately into that tour and then immediately they were here and they were gone for like three months as of time of recording they've been home for like a week yeah it's it's it's Even hitting a heart. It's crazy. I know they kind of have to because of visas and stuff like that. Like you got to make it work through the wild. Might as well get as much as you can. Totally.

Starting point is 01:39:11 Zuma's whole bit since he's been home has been posting the like crazy meals he's been eating with how much it costs in USD. Yeah. It'll be like a bowl of ramen, a thing of Gioza and like a thing of pork and it'll put like 385 USD. Yeah. He's right. Well, yeah. We see that and we go, yeah, fuck us.

Starting point is 01:39:32 Honestly, I get it. I agree. I love Japan. It's the best place ever. This is the best band ever. Cool, too. We love them so much. Less technical difficulties this year.

Starting point is 01:39:40 Zero. Like, yeah, it was just, it was, uh, it was perfect. Yeah. Really cool set. Beautiful stuff. Love him. Yeah. Cloak room is next.

Starting point is 01:39:49 Right. My God, what a band. Yeah. It's like Weezer, but. It's like, it's like evil shoegates. Yeah. But, yeah, weezer, but way catchier than that they average shoe game. Like.

Starting point is 01:40:07 New record. is out now on Close Casket, which I think is just another great fit. This is a set that I was curious how it would go over and ended up being like, dude, looking over at that stage while this was happening. It was slam

Starting point is 01:40:22 packed to the front. Yeah. This record is so good that I hope people are connecting with it. It was very cool to see them on something like this. And to get that kind of reaction, I love this band. Yes. Same. Very cool.

Starting point is 01:40:37 addition that was I feel like that was it was definitely a Madison push where he's like good job Madison he's like Papa we need to get Hey Papa what do you think about actually they're sick let's do it I'm me I'm Madison

Starting point is 01:40:50 so yeah awesome awesome vibe dynamic shift with that you know going from cruelty to cloakroom and then and then keeping up with it with glare going on at the next stage over glare has fascinated me for a long time.

Starting point is 01:41:15 Yeah. Because they've, they've existed in the ether to me, but they always have like two million monthly listeners. Oh, shit. Crazy. Really?

Starting point is 01:41:24 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just like one of those, yeah, one of those bands. But they're all, Corman.

Starting point is 01:41:30 So they're, I mean, they're young. Yeah, they're young. They got it. The drummer, they had a fill in drummer for this who.

Starting point is 01:41:36 His first, this was his first show. Oh, with glare, right? Yeah, with glare. Oh. Yeah,

Starting point is 01:41:42 that's the homie straight up. I think he's a, big, he's in our discord. Okay, cool. He's awesome. Friend of the show. Very nice guy. Met him backstage. Watched on stage for a while. Set was wild.

Starting point is 01:41:54 A lot of, again, a lot of people who seemed like they specifically were there for glare slammed into the front. Dude, that was really fun. Something I noticed about the whole weekend was watching the audience kind of like shape shift. Yeah. Like people take a step back. Yeah. And the other ones moved forward.

Starting point is 01:42:11 The whole week. They were working in. Yeah. I mean, if you can have that, that's perfect. Absolutely. You can't have everyone the entire day. That's not 100% true because there's a fellow named Chase from the 805. Is this the homie?

Starting point is 01:42:26 The homie. Some of the greatest crowd photos, this guy needs like something. He needs to be a sponsored athlete. Yeah. The red-headed mullet mosher. Yeah. Can we, you insert pictures. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:41 Okay, so there's a picture that you got to insert that I'm going to say. me because it's the best yeah it's my favorite photo of sound of fury last year and it's just like i want i like i want to do something with it because it's just something about it is just so insane and it's like of that kid you know i think that i've said this before when when you're talking about a band set and you say they had such a great set most of the time you're talking about the reaction true yeah like it is very who cares what you fucking sound like yeah at the end of the day, people are going off and it's nuts.

Starting point is 01:43:17 Chase is making sure every single one of these sets is good. If there was 5,000 of him, oh my God. Like, I think we would have no war. We would have no famine. Weird, like,

Starting point is 01:43:34 internet videos where it's like, you know, a thousand ETs versus... Yeah, or Roman. Yeah. If anyone's good with... I don't mean him.

Starting point is 01:43:45 He's like clones. I mean, if everybody was, was, had his passion and his physical endurance at something like this. Dude, that reminds me of the opposite. Of the, I think it may have been day one, so we may have skipped it, but of the person in the blow-up capyabara outfit. Oh, that was day, too. They got rocks. They got, right? I think there's a video of it.

Starting point is 01:44:06 I have the video of it. Taylor got a perfect video of it. When I was getting food, I saw someone carrying. a capy para costume all bumped like wrapped up with their arm in a sling and I just went no he looked at me and he went it happened

Starting point is 01:44:25 they got him they got him hey rightfully so oh man but yeah chase so unbelievable so so 4,999 of you please if you see a guy with

Starting point is 01:44:42 red hair red mullet pitting his ass off for 50 bands. Take notes. Do what he does when he does it. So, yeah, so huge dynamic shift here, glare into peeling flesh. All I heard was wee, and I was like, I like

Starting point is 01:45:10 the craziest music. I can't believe it. So much. You know who came specifically to see them? No. Keith Morris. Whoa, really? Yeah. I saw him. I did see him. That was peeling flesh? He very well watched other bands as well. He was there for sure. But our guy Chuck, who I guess knows him.

Starting point is 01:45:33 I think that's the... Anyway, someone was like, did you see Keith Morris's here? I'm like, what? That's kind of insane. Yeah. For those who don't know circle jerks and black flag. But, yeah, and I was like, who did he come to see? And the first band that the person said was peeling flesh.

Starting point is 01:45:48 That's so sick, dude. And then I did see him in the skillet watching peeling flesh. And I'm like, wow. I would never, I don't know how that, I don't know if he has kids or something. Yeah. That was the connection because I know that happens a lot. I just think they're angry. I just think they're good.

Starting point is 01:46:06 They are good, dude. They're not trying to sound like whatever. This is very good. Have you done that before? No, that was my first. He's just got a voice that I don't know. Low key, I think the best black flag singer. I'm going to go out on a limb there.

Starting point is 01:46:21 We talked about this. Best singer, I don't think it's the best songs. No, correct. I might. I don't know. I don't know. That's a good discussion to have, though. We'll ask peeling.

Starting point is 01:46:31 That's obviously subjective. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Great. Anyways, he was there insane. Yeah. Very cool.

Starting point is 01:46:39 Peeling flush set. Bunkers, dude. This is the top three set of the weekend. I feel like they're one of those. You know, the crowd obviously was loved them and they were incredible. But they're one of those, your favorite band's favorite brand? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:46:53 Favorite bands, favorite... You got it. You got it. Favorite band's favorite band. Yes. But I think because of how they've connected with people. Like, I think... I see, damn, Peeling Flesher's having a crazy set many years ago.

Starting point is 01:47:10 I should watch this. And then I get my shit melted off. And like, this is not my shit. Right. Yeah. Like slammy kind of death core stuff. It's kind of my shit right now. I kind of love them.

Starting point is 01:47:21 No, that's what I'm saying. When they do it, it becomes my shit. They'll open the door for a lot of other stuff. They are mosh scientists, and I have a PhD in that. So it's nice to see other doctors at work here. Yeah, you had a peer-reviewed study. We had a peer review, and it was positive. Also, biggest drum set of the weekend.

Starting point is 01:47:49 He used his own kit. He used his own kit. I didn't know that was an option. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we try to avoid it. Avoid that just because of then, you know, who know. Just thinking of the night where the could happen. But they were, they were, I think they just really need it.

Starting point is 01:48:08 Yeah, he's got a lot of shit. Yeah, it's insane what they're doing with all their whole set up is. The guitar player too, yeah. He's got a whole. It's very crazy. Whole rack rig and everything. Yeah. You know, I'm pretty sure everything is running on a click track.

Starting point is 01:48:21 That's why they're able to nail. all the samples along with everything so well, you know. You have to. But yeah, I saw all that set up and I was just like scanning. Just like, like, wow. What is the? I don't even know what some of it is. Yeah, it's awesome.

Starting point is 01:48:34 Seeing a piece of equipment like that. They're like, send a picture of Tad or Josie and. Yeah. Hey, what does this run me? Martine, do you got a sweetwater homey, right? Yeah. What do you got?

Starting point is 01:48:44 Josie. Yeah. Wow. We got Josie. Hell yeah. I'm a tad, man. But hey, after after talking to Josie for five hours yesterday. incredible he's a good guy they're awesome peeling flash unbelievable one of my favorite

Starting point is 01:48:56 sets of the weekend great band they'll be on the show soon shift now yeah this like i don't even know tell me how to introduce this this was on this i don't even even i'm at a loss for words at how awesome this was project pat played sanifuri this year uh this beautiful how do you book this. Yeah, right. Legit, easier than booking terror on the kickoff show. I'm not even exaggerating. It was easier than that. It was just like

Starting point is 01:49:37 connect with them. We talk about what's happening and then and then he, you know, it's like you gotta pay him to come. Just like any other band. Yeah. But it was very like no back and forth, just kind of like. Here's the rate. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:54 And, dude, and not for nothing. They're like the whole day. Whole day. Yeah, I was, I was pretty shocked. I was a little worried, you know, it's like I never dealt with, we, I don't think, well, I guess Madison had dealt with, you know, book and rap acts before, whatever you want to call him.

Starting point is 01:50:12 Yeah, I had never really dealt with that before. And it's like, you hear all the horror stories of people not wanting to show up or they show up two hours late and all that stuff. Play for 10 minutes. The homie pat was just there hanging out in the backstage with everyone, like. What was he passing out? A book. What kind of book?

Starting point is 01:50:28 A religious Text Yeah Do we know which one? I do I have one at home I don't really know I don't know too much about it

Starting point is 01:50:39 I imagine he would want you to Talk about He could If you like Google videos of him Playing recently Like he's prayed on stage At shows and stuff like that Is it like a Christian thing

Starting point is 01:50:51 Or like a yeah Oh okay I believe he's like somewhat of a pastor At this point Oh shit Project pastor Pastor Pat Like Pastor Troy

Starting point is 01:51:01 When I Yeah so When people would ask me Like when I got back from this And I went and got coffee at my local places Like did any of my normal stuff And people asked how the trip was I would explain that it was about a hardcore fest

Starting point is 01:51:14 And everyone would be like oh cool You know they don't really know what that is And then they would ask Who would play And I would mention bands None of them would click I would mention Project Pat And it was like really?

Starting point is 01:51:25 That was the one They were like three six miles Mafia? It was like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and, you know, anyone who is, even though he wasn't, I don't think he was ever, like, officially 3-6 Mafia, but, you know, his brother? Brother? I believe he's the brother of Juicy Jay. Okay. I might be getting this mixed up.

Starting point is 01:51:46 There's definitely brothers within the world, but anyways, they, like, 3-6 has always been about the rock shit. You know, they were, like, the OG, every, nowadays, almost every rapper, he's, you know, is down with rock shit, wants to play a guitar, wants to wear heavy metal t-shirts, wants to stage dive, do all that kind of crazy stuff, be a rocker or whatever. 3-6 was doing that so long ago, always about their evil shit. So I feel like they've always been understanding, and someone like Project Pat is going to be very open. Like when we were talking to them and being transparent about the nature of the festival,

Starting point is 01:52:23 like, here's what it is, you know, and they were like, yeah, I'm down with that. And then when you got on stage and it just clicked like as perfectly as it possibly could and he sees the energy and like watching him recognize the energy and feel it and be like, oh, okay. Like it's going to be like this, all right? And just like they kind of leveled up and got so fired up. And that just, it was just like a cycle. Everyone was just twinging off of each other.

Starting point is 01:52:49 Diving. Yeah. Dancing. God. It couldn't have gone any better. I remember. That's when I asked you because you, because next was God's. you guys are setting up, you're tuning up.

Starting point is 01:52:59 I remember asking you, like, did you book it this way? Does this suck for you to not be able to like enjoy it? Because I saw you like singing along, you know? Yeah, yeah. I just be, I felt fine being on that stage and watching it from a floor. Yeah, that's a good view. It's kind of the best view. It was kind of the best view.

Starting point is 01:53:17 Yeah. It was the first time in, in, I think in history of Sounding Fury where we actually did have someone asked for a closed stage. Like they didn't, he didn't want a bunch of people. coming up on there, which I understand. He's from a totally different world. Who knows? You never know.

Starting point is 01:53:33 You know? Yeah, it's like he probably doesn't feel comfortable with a bunch of strangers being up there. So yeah, I was fine with being on the other side and just watching it from afar and just witnessing greatness. Like he just, he, he just knew how to do it, man. It was like he knew who he was working with and how to, what songs to play. And it just really hit hard. It was fun.

Starting point is 01:53:56 It was just fun. It was just so fun. It was like the perfect dynamic shift and, you know, vibe change for a bit. And he was so happy that his manager emailed us the next day just to say how happy Pat still was. Thank you guys so much for the show. Like I assume that probably doesn't happen that often in that world where it's like the manager's emailing the promoters in the next day. Like, great show. Thank you so much.

Starting point is 01:54:20 That's what we got. Awesome. Awesome. So I think it really did make an impact. Very special. And it was special. Yeah. Cool. And then just got more special for me after that. Yeah. Sure did. Now we now we juxtapose

Starting point is 01:54:32 to my personal, obviously I'm a little biased, my personal highlight of the weekend. Tell me, fellas. Colin, you're no longer, you're no longer Hardlore. You're all God's hate now. Thanks for having me, Bo. Hey, hello, welcome. What? What, people are going to ask, and I've been seeing comments on other stuff that Hardler has been posting about like, explain the hiatus. What does this mean? Please take this time. I love how out of context, I guess, that got taken. People were like, yeah.

Starting point is 01:55:13 I mean, you're breaking up. No, like, I mean, hiatus means we're not breaking up. Yeah. It means we're, we're, we'll be back. Obviously, it's just going to be a while. I don't want to, I think the self-titled era is over. And to me, that means we cease all. external operations until internal operations on whatever is next are done.

Starting point is 01:55:36 Yeah. There's internal operations happening. God's hate is temporarily closed. Yeah. Okay. Which means temporarily. But in the shop. In the shop.

Starting point is 01:55:46 Yeah. It's like in the bear at the end of the one season when we're rebuilding. The bear is coming. Hey, we're coming back for a fucking Michelin Star. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. There we go.

Starting point is 01:55:54 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. God say it's set. So I have the texts. Oh, that. I love.

Starting point is 01:56:00 love that that got saved. Yeah. Yeah, I have the text of funny exchange of in the chat, Martine asking, I'm like, hear me out. He asked, can terror play before God's hate as a surprise? And everybody's like, yeah, that's fine, that's fine. Sounds good.

Starting point is 01:56:18 Yeah. But I said, what if it's during? Was it you? Oh, yeah. It was you. Yeah. Which normally, normally that doesn't work. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:56:28 Like, I truly only. think in that setting only terror could pick up the instruments, play 100% four songs, five songs, and then switch back. Yeah. Because Nick was like, I was like, okay, what do you need? He was like, I'm good, man.

Starting point is 01:56:43 We're all kind of like, we've we've played it all. We've experienced the worst, you know, and I feel like we play enough that you give me anything. You give me a fucking tuber. I'll make something out of it. What could I make out of you? Obviously, in our minds while putting this together,

Starting point is 01:57:03 we want to do, God's Hey is like, we want to do something special. Yeah. You know? And like, even a terror set in the middle of our set, we didn't look at that as like, okay, that's our special thing. We're done now.

Starting point is 01:57:16 That's kind of like an, of course. Yeah. That's, that's terror gets that. And then we resume. We're back to schedule programming. We switched the set around for the first time ever. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:57:28 How'd you feel about opening with? It was awesome. It was awesome. It felt great. That whole intro was just like, I, okay, I'm going to be vulnerable here. I cried during the set. Like, my mother was there and that's always emotional for me, you know, and being at the Coliseum is this an emotional thing for me, like grew up going there with my father.

Starting point is 01:57:50 I've said this before and stuff. Yeah. So, and then when that was happening, the whole intro and watching my mom react to it and then just like multiple times throughout the set. just looking around at all the familiar faces and like people having such a good time in the crowd and just how well it all worked out the vision that we just randomly were like let's try this wacky shit and it all came together so well with the help of a lot of people and it was just like overwhelming and yeah it was just tearing up through a lot of the a lot of the terror in

Starting point is 01:58:19 god's hate said i was saying a thing that got me was terror having the only backdrop yeah and and But like, and I mean that. Nepotism, it's fine. I know, but I mean that as like, that's such a special thing. That it's like, hey, this is. You couldn't see the whole backdrop, unfortunately. Like a small part of my plan was thwarted, but the whole thing, we made stickers of it, too. It's like, the reason for doing it was announcing that we have a new record coming with FlatSpot record.

Starting point is 01:58:51 So we're doing this announcement with, you know, of the record happening with FlatSpot coming out next year. So, you know, it's a terror, had the album title. still suffer and then it said, you know, new flat spot records coming spring 2026. Yeah. But that part kind of got cut off. By Taylor Young produced by Taylor Young and Todd Jones. Yes. Yeah. So that part got cut off, but it was still effective. You know, it felt so cool. And I kept Sound In Fury logos on the sides, down the sides, but you couldn't really see them. I didn't want to try to be like, tear and that's all it matter. Yeah. It was just, it all worked really well. And like the production

Starting point is 01:59:25 helped me so much with figuring out the mechanics of doing. something like that, you know, because it wasn't easy. Yeah. Because in my head, I thought it was going to be way easier. I thought, you know, pull a banner down. I don't know. I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about. And they're like, actually, we'll do it like this.

Starting point is 01:59:40 And it worked out so well. It was beautiful. People stood off, stood away from that thing. Yeah. Which was a miracle. A miracle. Tell me about the cherry on top. Okay.

Starting point is 01:59:51 Before I get there, let me just, there's something I want to shout out. My SPD sample pad, I was stressing out about all week. I was, we had so much to do that week. Yeah. That I waited until the last second to like load samples in. Oh no. Which you have to manually load shit in. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:00:10 You know, I have to plug it. I have to bring it right here, turn it on, put the samples in. So Wednesday night, I edit together the intro sample that we made. I wrote a little monologue. I recorded it like a demo version of it. Sunday before the show, Brody does it at Taylor's house. So that was recorded that morning. I didn't even know that.

Starting point is 02:00:34 Yeah. That's impressive. That was that morning. So I'm all ready to load it into my pad and I don't have the power supply. And it's a very specific, like Roland adapter power supply. By the time we play, Roland sent me a replacement. The homie rolling. Roland H.Q.

Starting point is 02:00:56 Wow. Or arranged a replacement power supply. On a Sunday. On a Sunday at 7 p.m. Picked up by Mrs. Brittany Miller, of course. So I just got a shout out Roland. Wow. That's crazy.

Starting point is 02:01:12 For making that possible. I had no idea you were going through all that stress. Oh, yeah, dude. So thank you to the homie Roland for making that happen. Yeah, unbelievable. So off my chest That was the thing We were sitting here thinking like

Starting point is 02:01:28 All right We've covered Master Killer You know We did smash our enemies At the pre show last year What A we wanted to do something California

Starting point is 02:01:37 You know Like put on for This is our goodbye For a minute We are an L.A. band Or the Valley band But we're also an L.A. Band

Starting point is 02:01:47 That is L.A. It is. Greater Los Angeles So it started And at the fire benefit show in February, we did a medley at the end of the set that was the piece by piece intro. Oh, right. Internal affairs. Internal affairs. And off my chest. Breakdown only into downpresser intro and I was just. Yeah. It was sick. It was a lot. It was awesome. So we've had so much fun specifically

Starting point is 02:02:18 during the off my chest section that it was like, I think Alec maybe put it out there. He, yeah, he's, like we all love carry on but Alec is like I feel like he was the one that really pushed it through. Yeah, yeah. Thank God for Alec. I think maybe the Tuesday or Wednesday of

Starting point is 02:02:37 is when it was presented to Todd and Ryan. Yeah. We were going to do it regardless of them being involved. Oh, okay. You mentioned it at Jeopardy. You mentioned it on Monday. So Monday. That they were going to do it. I figured that, I think at practice when we first talked about it, we figured they would say

Starting point is 02:02:53 know. Right. It was like they're, you know, they've got their own stuff. They haven't done carry on in 21 years or 20 years now. Oh, 20 years to the day. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. So there's another fun thing was the last carry-on show.

Starting point is 02:03:09 The two shows at showcase. Yeah. Yeah. 20 years to the day. Almost. So Taylor and Todd were having a separate conversation about something else when Taylor brought up that we were doing it and was like, If you and Ryan wanted to do that, that'd be awesome. And it was like, let's fucking go immediate, yes.

Starting point is 02:03:29 So good. Which is crazy. None of us talked to Todd or Ryan. So we don't know until day of. If they're really that they're going to be. Yeah. There was no conversation amongst the band and Todd and Ryan at all, ever. So until I see, look over behind the kit and,

Starting point is 02:03:53 lock eyes with Ryan and like have a little like that was the first time I knew that it was actually happened wow was on stage moments before because I saw Todd and I went oh you know before the set and he's saying he's saying terror stuff like he was present so again he can't help it he didn't help but hate with us yeah it didn't don't even didn't even know what Ryan looked like because I hadn't seen him since youth code stuff you know what I mean so didn't really know what to even who to be looking for. And then, man, this was, carry on has been a favorite band of mine since I was in high school. They were a band that I missed by a couple months. You know what I mean? Like, I just missed them. So I never got to see him. Yeah, I don't, I don't think they toured all that much,

Starting point is 02:04:38 like so. If you watched the Todd episode we did, we talked about Carrie on quite a bit. And he, and he talks about how it was like record, what record came out and they were done. Yeah. Yeah. And then four years later they did two shows. So, you know, that was like cathartic for us as fans, and I hope it was, and I know that Todd and Ryan had a blast. And I sent a text to the chat a few days later that was like, we got Ryan and a turning point shirt singing off my chest, we're the greatest parent of all the time. I mean, yeah, no, I wouldn't have put that on any bingo card ever, you know?

Starting point is 02:05:13 I see Ryan pretty often not only because of Youth Code stuff, but just like around, like, you know at a bar or something like that he works at the cha-cha lounge and i know his girl sarah taylor really well and stuff so i see him and and i've been seeing him and todd both at a lot more shows lately yes where i think they're kind of i don't know feeling more inspired at this you know within the past several years or so you know which is awesome seeing them together you know it's like i'm standing in the back of the room watching youtha today yeah yeah and then oh yeah then they income i see the two of them there and i'm just like Watching bold and Todd is front and center saying along.

Starting point is 02:05:52 I miss being around. You guys are awesome. You know, like, I didn't know them really well when I was young. It's like our relationship is as adults and it's like they're great. The break in this song, that's how you want it. You fucking at least it's fucking. So many fucks. So many fucks.

Starting point is 02:06:12 If you say it as a full sentence, it's hilarious. That moment, the entire stage was just, I was last, laughing about it because I realize it's a lot of people my age who are 30 something 30 somethings who don't want to get their asses kicked out in the pit who are just going to mosh into each other and Alec on stage and just like it was so I was buzzing about that 45 seconds for days me too for days I couldn't stop watching the videos think about your and think I have the best seat in the house yeah for that You know?

Starting point is 02:06:50 So I'm watching you and James Vytel of Turnstile Knocked Loose in Hermesway's manager and Terror. And Terror's manager beating the shit out of each other. Yeah, he was on my back at one point and my back was screaming all day. And I was just like, yeah. Like I was fucking, I was, I was on cloud nine. I couldn't. Yeah, I totally agree. Shout out to James Vitello.

Starting point is 02:07:15 Oh, yeah, he makes it. One of those HCMFers. 100%. dude, he lives. But the crowd was like invisible to me. Yeah. I could only, I was so dialed in on the like 50 people moshing on stage at that point. So cool. That that was like one of my favorite live experiences ever.

Starting point is 02:07:31 And those, those few moments of like Todd turning around and just. Yeah. Locking in with me and just being like, you're doing okay. Was good. There was even a clip I saw. I think Brittany's angle maybe where I, it's very rare that I see you, Martin, be like enthusiastically singing along but i even saw you during the part yeah i don't know it was just yeah it's just awesome man that was a really special really special thing very special moment

Starting point is 02:08:01 and then and then that wasn't even the end of the set then it's like okay now god's hate is still going to finish out now we play the hit yeah yeah and then it's like finish the job just wait no that was be harder right yeah this is yeah yeah then the intro hits and it's like yeah it's like Oh, man. What a cool dynamic set. Everything went so well. I was so happy. I was impressed with that. Everything was smooth. Yeah, that's a miracle. Man, what a cool thing. I mean, I think we played maybe 30 shows in four years, probably less. Probably less, probably 20, 25. And, you know, that's how it was designed to be. We'll never be a band that gets to do what all these other bands do. So, you know, we're lucky and honored every time. time we get to do it. Thank you for making it happen. We'll be back at some point.

Starting point is 02:08:52 Better than ever. Yes. But not till it's right. Scowl is next. Scowl's next. Yeah, Scowl back again. They've played before and just talking about multiple bands, like becoming well-oiled machines. They're just, man, they're now a four-piece. Yeah. And just sounded solid and bigger than ever. And just they have some. such a presence and just know how to, they just know how to do it. You know,

Starting point is 02:09:29 it's like they get the crowd going and watching them as like, it's, it's such a spectacle in a good way, you know, it's like crazy. I just think, seeing, looking at their evolution in the last two,

Starting point is 02:09:42 two years since they played, yeah, or three years since they played. I think it's two years. Uh, is like, is a completely different band. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:09:49 And I mean that in like the most positive way. They've evolved into, a perfect machine of this is straight up like great rock music yeah that is still punk yeah and cat has evolved into like a legit oh she unbelievable like vocalist yeah she's and she's got it on lock too oh dude from interacting to moves to nailing her parts and stuff great vibe like great singer yeah yeah yeah so i'm jealous so great job scowl great job cat you're crushing it poison the well is next Just straight into the legends, metalcore legends. Yeah, I always loved Poison the Well.

Starting point is 02:10:40 Opposite of December was a record that I really loved, which I feel like most people wouldn't know that about me. Yeah, I wouldn't have done that. But, yeah, I was like, a little bit of lore. There's not a lot of lore anymore on, you know, about, you know, crazy shit happening. I have some funny stuff about Poison the Well the first time they came out to L.A. area. They played in Orange County at the House of Blues when it used to be on downtown Disney property.

Starting point is 02:11:03 Oh, yeah. And they played with, like, they were on tour with Sworn Enemy and some others. And I think Throwdown was like the local support. And during Sworn Enemy, me and my brother and some friends got the entire show shut down. Hey. Before Poise of the Well got to play. Sorry about that, guys, but, you know. You had a habit of that.

Starting point is 02:11:22 House of Blue Security just was not, they were not playing nice. And it just turned into a melee. I almost got thrown off a balcony by some angry security guards. Like actually a guy in a suit threatened me He was like, you can get the fuck out of here Or we throw you over And I'm like, I think I'll leave Fine

Starting point is 02:11:42 Then I left Yeah I was like 2000, 2001 I just graduated high school Like a year before it was a little I think the kids At things like this are so lucky now That your brother is not Doing what he used to do to me

Starting point is 02:11:57 On a regular basis That's he's my I'm out of here. I don't know. I don't want to be anywhere in here that. You want some of those two old men? That is me when Dre hits the pit. Yeah, Poison Mal.

Starting point is 02:12:14 This was insane. I heard them sound check in all morning, so they were like perfect. This was the first year we had sound checks, and they had to do it early as hell. It was like nine in the morning, you know? Wow. Yeah, so they crushed it, man.

Starting point is 02:12:27 It's, you know, it's nice to see some older, folks just you know like doing shit that younger generations are still and they're connecting with and I think them back to back with knock loose is like the perfect

Starting point is 02:12:43 yeah like this is the top of the game for the last guard of metalcore and then having a band like Balmora something like that I would assume that they're directly influenced by a band like Poisoner playing at the same day I hope that was cool for Balmora

Starting point is 02:13:00 if that's the case that they love them. Yeah. So awesome set from Poison in the Well, they're, they're great. Popped off, dude. Popped off. It's crazy. Popped the F off. Knock loose was next to cap off the incredible weekend. This was absolutely insane. Redemption for 2020. They didn't get to play because no one got to play. Yeah. And they wanted to play as I, you know, I think we talked about it a little bit. Yeah. Brian talked about it a little bit. That something that they wanted to do, which was awesome for us, that they actually want to play, you know?

Starting point is 02:13:40 That's one of the most important things for us is that you're not just getting bands just because you want them to play and they're like, okay, you know, pay us some money and we'll show up. Yeah, yeah. It's no, they really, they wanted to be there. Mutual respect.

Starting point is 02:13:53 They're playing like dusting off old classics. Yeah. I've seen them a lot in the last couple years. And like, I feel, I walk away inspired by them every time. just in terms of like what an extreme band can be, you know, like from a technical perspective, from a performance perspective, from an ethics perspective, just like talking to them is... They live it.

Starting point is 02:14:21 There's a lot of the headliners that these things are not there all day watching every band. Or pitting for... Let alone. Let alone. Yeah. Other bands. Exactly. And it's just like, dude, I've played festivals with them 50.

Starting point is 02:14:36 15 times in the last three years. And then you see them just all the other stuff they're doing, man. I mean, not only late shows, but also these bigger festivals that they're just ripping 50 plus thousand people like it's like it's nothing to them, you know? Opening for Metallica. Metallica. Headlighting Sound and Fury. Opening for Metallica.

Starting point is 02:14:57 That's a great example. Just who they are. And so, you know, when they win, we all win. Yeah. Big time. And it's, I love to see it. This was one of the best. Sound Infuri sets of all time, probably.

Starting point is 02:15:09 It was iconic. It was funny because I wonder, I don't know this. So I might be talking out of my ass. I don't know the last time they played a big thing like that without a barricade. And it seemed like at first. Outbreak, I think. Yeah, I was going to say, I believe it would have been outbreak. So it seemed like at first, at least for the U.S. fan base, they didn't really know how to behave at first.

Starting point is 02:15:33 And as things... Is this a loud? Is this allowed? You know? Yeah. And as things kind of warmed up and people got more comfortable, it was fucking awesome. It was nuts. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:15:43 It was so good. Monumental. Congrats to them. Yeah, big fan. Headlines Sound and Fury. That's what's up. A perfect, perfect week, perfect weekend. Kind of unbelievable how without a hitch, everything went off.

Starting point is 02:15:58 Miraculous. Yeah. I kept knocking on wood, though, the entire week. And that is real wood. So you can... I would be like, why am I so chill? Yeah. Did I forget something, you know?

Starting point is 02:16:10 And me, specifically, Madison, Riley and myself kept talking to each other about the, like, we're good. We're good. Everything's fine. Also, if Dave's Hot Chicken two tender combo is $30 at Sound & Fury, maybe we got to do something about T-shirt prices, you know? 30 bucks. Dave is making more, you know? It's kind of insane. I don't even understand how pricing is determined in those situations.

Starting point is 02:16:40 I don't understand any of that. And I wish that we had control over some of those things. What can you do? But Dave's like, Dave's hot chicken $30. So shirts are about me. I mean, yeah, I love it. It's probably the best chain. I'm basically eating Goldberger for.

Starting point is 02:16:58 Oh, my God. Dude, I could not believe Goldberg. That is the homie, man. I'm like, that's my. favorite shit ever. I had never had it until Santa Fear. I had seven of them over two days. We should go to the actual restaurant. I would love to. What did I have?

Starting point is 02:17:11 I had Genghis Cohen, the cold noodles. Gangas Cohen is one of the greatest... Cold sesame noodles. Dude. Dude, have you, have you, you probably never been in the restaurant. I went once. I went once. You did. Oh, you did. The first time have, like, the Queens chicken. He didn't have. Yes, we did.

Starting point is 02:17:27 Why didn't they have the Queen Chicken at Santa pure. I think it's just too royal. It's just they didn't understand how to... You need to like cook it in a gold pot or something. 2023 Cosmic Joke played there. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you actually... You literally did

Starting point is 02:17:43 have the Queen Chicken. It was water. Yeah, the Queen Chicken and the Steam dumplings is one of my favorite meals in Los Angeles. Yeah. Period. But on a hot-ass... On a hot-ass day, those cold sesame noodles were like literally a perfect meal. When I heard the menu, I was a little

Starting point is 02:17:59 like it just sounds kind of crazy. Cold sesame noodles sounds weird until you have it. I agree. Also, the home, it just, this must be pointed out, you had the like punching bag machine thing? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 02:18:09 Oh, that was the guy that had the highest score. The homie gangis Cohen, who was working the fucking register. The soda box had the highest punch of the weekend. No shit. That was so funny watching people

Starting point is 02:18:19 just trying so hard to rip that thing. I just set the high score at the salt shed. Did you? 885. 885? Just saying? Oh. this. It was 9.46?

Starting point is 02:18:32 They're all calibrated. They're all calibrated differently. No, no, right. Totally. I got a 907 at round one one time. I refused to do those. Yeah, that's fair. Dude, your wrist hurts for three days afterwards. It's horrible. It's a crazy display. You got buses to punch, man. You don't need to be doing it with the fucking punching bag.

Starting point is 02:18:51 We got, we're going to wrap this up with some quick Patreon questions. Let's get it. What are some non-hardcore artists you would love to have play next year? Oh, next year. And also, if we can please get Converged, that would be lovely. Oh, nice. That would be sick. I love converge, yeah. Nuevo back is like, that, if it was up to me, it would just be like, you know,

Starting point is 02:19:12 two-day Nuevo Testaments. No, no, but that, yeah, that's like someone who I, God, I hope to see them back. Awesome. And stuff in that, in that realm, like, seeing it go over so well, I would love to bring more things over like that. It's the ultimate garnish in the middle of the day to break things up. It makes the hard sets hit harder and it stands out. And oftentimes there's just crossover, you know, like... Really good point. Punk and hardcore. Whatever you want to call it, dark wave, new wave. Yeah. Italian disco. I don't know.

Starting point is 02:19:47 It all. Yeah. So a lot more stuff like that. Yeah. Dream band slash artists you'd like to have. I hate to say title fight. But it's just... Oh, I. I mean, if there's a universe where that works, yeah, that would be, that would be beautiful. That would satisfy me. I don't know about everyone else, but I mean, having Allison Chains would be, that might be a little too emotional for me. I don't know. Just break down. It's a.

Starting point is 02:20:15 That's fair. Somebody said, will God's weight, aka the hiatus, push Holy Blight, T, T, T, and Terror to play more shows or give time to write music? Yes. Terror. Play more shows? No. Literally not possible. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:20:27 I think we're good. How many times you go into Europe this year, Martin? I'm going for the third time coming up in November. So three, round three. Somebody said dream hip-hop artist to put on the lineup, and it would be great to get some mainland Europe representation. Let's get kickback on there. Kickback and Cameron?

Starting point is 02:20:50 Yeah, I mean, I've seen Cameron do festival-style sets and it was less than favorable. So unfortunately, I don't think I would go that route because I want something that's going to pop and hit, you know? I mean, imagine a full 3-6 mafia thing, you know? Just... Mosh Pit Song, just going crazy. That's a beautiful vision.

Starting point is 02:21:19 I think that would be really cool. Something like Waka Flaka, too. Yeah, that would be awesome. Which set activated you the most? For me, it was whispers because I actually... I'll say, you know what, I'll agree with you. Whispers, though, on the Friday night because of the more intimate venue setting.

Starting point is 02:21:38 And they had the really cool intro. All the lights were off in the venue and it was real evil sounding. And then when the logo popped up on the little video wall and stuff, and it was just... It had a... Beautiful. It had an evil, creepy vibe that really got me.

Starting point is 02:21:53 I was like, man, if I was like... 21 years ago. be thrown. Mongro as well, of course. Oh, yeah, yeah,

Starting point is 02:22:01 of course. Which said had the hardest pit. This is a good question. Man, yeah, could have been Mongrel and missing link.

Starting point is 02:22:08 I think it was missing link from what I saw. Although, I would say it's probably missing link, peeling flesh. With Mongrel though, you had Mike

Starting point is 02:22:14 from missing link killing people. That's true. I watched it. He has the crazy. His move is crazy. The dread as as someone who's like

Starting point is 02:22:22 worried about someone getting hurt, he did the dreaded. He did. You see the one guy on stage casually. Yeah. Take the step down.

Starting point is 02:22:28 Dude, the little hop. And you know what they're about to do. They're like, oh, okay. Let me show you a little something. It's awesome. He definitely did that. And I was like, oh, oh. He was testing the punching machine.

Starting point is 02:22:39 Yeah. He hit a 9.30 on some kids, like, man. On a blow up capy bear up. Somebody said, who do I got to suck off to get crowbar on the fest? Oh, that would be sick. That sounds really cool. I mean, I like the idea of crowbar playing. Um,

Starting point is 02:22:57 Yeah, I don't know. I think there's a... It might be you. There's maybe... I'm all good, but... Yeah, I don't know. I think that's a cool suggestion. It's definitely something that we've talked about in the past. I love it.

Starting point is 02:23:09 It's a name that's been brought up before. It's just a matter of making things work. Logistics. Yeah, of course. What does recovery look like for after a crazy week of Santa Fury related activities? I've, like, finally recovered as of yesterday, I feel like. I stayed at a hotel for a couple more days. I saw Superman by myself. Oh, that sounds nice.

Starting point is 02:23:29 That sounds nice. And then like ate dinner by myself, like just kind of chilled alone for a couple of days. That's nice. It's a lot of people. That's what I do. Colin and I were together for eight days and then he flew to Chicago and we were together for eight days. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:23:45 So I had a real decompression couple of days. So I can't even imagine. I lost my voice Saturday just from talking so much. Yeah, that'll happen. Because I'd be yapping. And I was just going for it. When do you stop drinking caffeine during a fest where you need to be awake until late, but also need to sleep? This is complicated.

Starting point is 02:24:06 Yeah, I try to stay away from it altogether just because the crash will force you to drink more. I legit do not stop caffeinating. Oh, it's brutal, man. I've had, I've had some awful experiences because in the past I would just overcaffeinate and then forget to eat. And that's like the double. Dude, the shake. Like actually visibly shaking, so I hate that feeling. I do one early cup of actual coffee and then I'll allow myself one energy drink sometime thereafter.

Starting point is 02:24:35 Somewhere out throughout the day. That's it. Yeah. Keep it lower. You can handle it, do it. I am my father's son. We don't stop. How to blast at the fest, we should enact a rule next year where if you have your phone out recording in the pit or while diving, I am allowed to punt it as hard as I possibly can. hand without repercussions.

Starting point is 02:24:56 I'm with it. Agreed. I don't, what are the real repercussions? Recording yourself diving is corny. Yeah. I can say I would never even think to do that. I hate being on video right now is hard for me.

Starting point is 02:25:11 Just saying that alone. But that's just me. I understand that that's just me. I still have a hard time understanding what the point of doing that is. It's, look at me. It's click. Yeah. Because the only purpose.

Starting point is 02:25:25 of that video is to then, I assume, posted to social media, right? And then hopefully... Look what I did! Click. Get some mics and stuff like that. Because other than that, if you're not doing that,

Starting point is 02:25:34 what are you doing? Going home and watching it a bunch of times, showing your friends or something. Like, you're better off just not doing it because going to Lost and Found afterwards and seeing how many phones are there. It's like... Oh, shit.

Starting point is 02:25:46 It's insane. So it's hard enough to keep your phone in your pocket at that shit regardless. And then when you have it out and you're recording and jumping off stage, just like, to say, your phone. Just save it, dude.

Starting point is 02:25:56 Yeah. Like, just don't do it. It's fine. Live in the moment. Yeah. Live in the moment. You can jump off the stage still. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:26:02 Just, you don't have to film it. Yeah. There was a guy. You don't have to film yourself moshing. It can be our little secret. There was a guy who I'm going to put over. At the beginning of the day, he had some of the worst stage dives and stage presence I've ever seen.

Starting point is 02:26:15 I don't need to describe him. It's not important. But then by the end of the night, he had a redemption arc. By the time knocked loose played, he was jumping off the big stage over the mini stage. and making it on to people. He evolved throughout the day, and that's what I want to see. That's how you do it.

Starting point is 02:26:30 Did they catch him? Oh, yeah, yeah, it was great. It actually made me happy. Interesting. I try not to be negative. Yeah. In my life in general, especially these days,

Starting point is 02:26:41 I'm really searching myself these days. One thing I don't like to see is the, like, pretend crown kill. Yeah. It's like, don't do that. I don't know. Right?

Starting point is 02:26:55 Yeah. It's not doing anything. Yeah, it's like, just use that energy towards something else. Yeah, just get up there, but then do a sick dive or something. Well, the funny thing about it is imagine going to someone in the pit and like shadowboxing on them. You're kind of doing the same thing. And it's just as silly. That's going to be the next thing to shadow boxing and the fish moves.

Starting point is 02:27:14 On the side, you're going to get rocked. Rightfully so. Yeah, it's horrible. It's probably the worst move. Yeah, it always makes me feel a little and like, oh, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Not that one.

Starting point is 02:27:25 No. Just dive off. You'll love it. I didn't see any rowboats, which is great. Yeah, no row. Not a fan. Not a fan of a rowboat or any sort of, I don't know, planned. No.

Starting point is 02:27:36 Push-ups. Yeah. Yeah. Dude. I could do without that. I could do without that. The amount of push-ups harm's way has endured over the years. Playing Magic the Gathering.

Starting point is 02:27:48 That's like their whole thing, though, you know. Who's they? Frozen Soul. Oh. They encourage. match. Oh, do they? I didn't know

Starting point is 02:27:55 was attributed to them, but just in general. Any other band, you fucking knock it off. Okay. Yeah. Just, you know, hit the pit.

Starting point is 02:28:04 Last question, favorite set of each day. Well, I think I already went through that. Day one, I would say was whispers and forced order, probably for me.

Starting point is 02:28:15 Day two that I didn't play was probably peeling flesh and cruelty. Having to choose being forced to choose. I will choose one on each. And so Saturday was Nuevo Testamento. And then I would say mongrel Sunday. Because I wouldn't, I can't include the God's hate day. But I can. So I would say

Starting point is 02:28:36 missing leave the first day, God's hate the second day for sure. That's nice. Yeah. Thank you all so much for joining us, Martine. Thank you for being here once again. We love having you. It's the best. Sounding Fury. We can't wait for next year. It's, It is the beginning and end of the, we call it, the hard lore fiscal year. The fiscal year, yeah. So thank you all for joining us for yet another fiscal year. We love Sounding Fury so much. We got big plans for next year.

Starting point is 02:29:02 Jeopardy was unbelievable, so we're undoubtedly doing it again. Yeah, yeah. So we'll see you next year for Hardlow Jeopardy 2.0. Sounding Fury, that's it. Bye. Bye.

HardLore - Sound & Fury Fest 2025

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