HardLore - Spencer Hazard (Full of Hell)

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Starting point is 00:00:57 That was good. Me too. And it's because of this incredible guest we have and this incredible episode we have for you all. Allow me to make a very special introduction. Please, everyone welcome the guitar player and songsmith for the band that can only be described. as George Washington on the modern grind core Mount Rushmore, Spencer Hazard of Full of Hell. Hey, how's it going, guys? So good. So great.

Starting point is 00:01:31 How are you doing? Good. Just usual getting ready for tour. Yeah. When does that start? Thursday. Oh. The day this episode comes out.

Starting point is 00:01:42 Where's first show? Where are you at in the country? In Maryland, like coastal Maryland. Yeah. It's called Berlin. So we're like, well, that's east, let me tell you. Yeah, hours away from any city. Perfect.

Starting point is 00:01:57 I can hear the Maryland, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah. Say that big city we all know and love in Maryland. Baltimore. Oh, he said it. Oh, there's a little more T than D in there for you. Yeah, like we have our own like accent compared to the rest of Maryland.

Starting point is 00:02:14 It's like, Shorebilly. That's what it's called. Sure, Billy. What are your thoughts on soft shell crab? They're okay. Like, I like the legs aspect of it, but once I get to like the guts, I'm like, you know. Colin, you fuck with that? The soft shell?

Starting point is 00:02:34 Yeah. No, he, he nailed it with the leg. Yeah, yeah. I went to the aquarium recently. Just watching them fuckers walk around was like. That's a, but dude, when I was a fishmonger, As you know, every season we would have soft-shell crabs. And you know what they call the guts and everything?

Starting point is 00:02:54 Mustard. It's called the mustard. It's fucking just. And that's like some people like specifically seek that out or the like eggs that look like carrots when you open it up. Oh, dude. That's the best part. I'll give it a world. I'm not afraid of it.

Starting point is 00:03:11 I'll eat any meat has been my motto for 32 years now. Never failed you. Never failed me one. Except for them, squid legs. Those were too, too gaming. Anyway, Spencer, full of hell's new record, Coagulated Bliss,

Starting point is 00:03:27 is out April 26th on closed casket. Love to see that. Yeah. It is your sixth LP, but your 31st official release. And the question I have for that is, how? So, like,

Starting point is 00:03:47 I don't really know how to play guitar. So the way that I play guitar is just figuring out songs. I don't know anybody else's songs. I know riffs, but even like when I first started playing guitar, I'm like, this is kind of confusing. I'm just going to come up with my own stuff. Wow. Wow.

Starting point is 00:04:11 And then you end up putting out stuff that I'm listening to all day today going, the hell's going on. How do you do that? How do you do that? Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, I like, I went to guitar lessons for maybe a year. And I was like, I don't like this.

Starting point is 00:04:28 I learned like five chords and like the pentatonic scale. And I learned a, learned a couple Metallica riffs when I was like, you know, 13. And then that was it. And then I was just like, all right, well, these chords don't work. I'm just going to try to figure out shit. until it does work. Dude. I don't know that I've ever in the history of the show identified with the way that somebody

Starting point is 00:04:54 said that as much as you just did. Oh, cool. I can sit down and rip my own songs all day. I just learned Crazy Train the other day and I'm still jazzed on it. And that's maybe one of three externally written songs that I know. Did you learn the verse riff? The dig-tig-d-da-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-. No, I'm not there yet.

Starting point is 00:05:13 But I got the riff down. It makes you feel like you're playing fucking Final Fantasy or something. It's awesome. Dude, you ever just put crazy train on, Spencer? Hell. Oh, sorry. I mean, yeah, I mean, that's all. That's all they play on, like, the local rock station around here. So, like, that's a good.

Starting point is 00:05:30 I got imagine dragons on mine. You got, you got crazy train? Yeah. Do you imagine? I'm not trying to divert too much from the conversation, but it came up. There's a radio station near Milwaukee called the hog, and I called in the other day with a request. And I was the hog head hog of the day. of the day and I got a t-shirt.

Starting point is 00:05:48 It's fucking sick. What did you request? They were playing, dude, they were playing like, you know, Iron Maiden and I requested Dio. Well, that's a nice little tidbit. Yeah, I got the shirt. I'll wear it sometime. Don't worry about it.

Starting point is 00:06:00 All right. Sounds good. Anyway. So, Spencer, you're learning by writing. And I think that is the, one of the best things that anybody listening that is like trying to start a band or trying to learn an instrument can take away from this. just make shit. And like, like, I like purposely stifled myself

Starting point is 00:06:21 when I started full of hell. I was like, I don't really like want to get better as a guitar player. And like that is kind of like, you know, it's been a hindrance where I look back now as I'm older and be like, I kind of wish I learned this, this and this.

Starting point is 00:06:39 But it's also too has made me be more creative and being like, I don't know how to do this. So how am I going to get around it? How interesting. Do you write within a comfort zone or do you expand the comfort zone a little bit on each record? I think it's like, I mean, I think I boxed myself in when we are starting. And it's like there are certain stuff where I was like, oh, that's too metal sounding. That's too punk sounding.

Starting point is 00:07:05 But now as I've gotten older, I'm like, as long as it sounds cool, I don't care. Yeah, it doesn't matter at all as long as it works and serves. for the benefit of the song, like whatever the project is, that's all that matters. Yeah. And you have to evolve. Of course.

Starting point is 00:07:20 If you don't evolve, you can't put out 31 records, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It just don't work. Speaking of which, a few weeks ago on the show,

Starting point is 00:07:29 we were racking our brains trying to find bands that have done four splits. Remember that, Bo? I do. We were like, who is in the four split club? When only full of hell,

Starting point is 00:07:40 I think, is in the eight split club. And that is, That is not including collabs. Oh, yes. That's not full of health. That's like its own. Oh, that's just splits.

Starting point is 00:07:51 Jesus Christ. I know. How do those come about? And you kind of, you started doing those real early. Like, it seems like you had your identity kind of etched out right away. Because you did two demos and EP and a noise record before you put out a full length.

Starting point is 00:08:09 Yeah. And I mean, the first split came about because, the first guy that like put out our records was Dave Hack from you know outside of Philly like brains and cream all those bands and he put out our first seven inch and then he was like hey do you guys want to do a split with this band they are called Gold Dusts from Germany and that was our inn to go to Europe for the first time too so we went to Europe on two seven inches for the first time what what year would that have been uh

Starting point is 00:08:43 2010. So we had been a band for a year and a half. Yeah. Amazing. That is amazing. You started in 2009. 2009. And then it was like the most DIY tour ever.

Starting point is 00:08:57 The police confiscated the van because we had like beach chairs in it and the steering didn't work. And Dylan was driving most of the time. They took the whole van? Yeah. They took the whole van. The band we are with, we were like, hey, you guys. running the van like you have to get us back to the airport and we're like in the middle of Germany like Bavaria and we had to get back to Stockholm in two days. Oh shit. Yeah, we made it.

Starting point is 00:09:27 Holy shit, dude. Was that the end of the tour? Yeah, it was like three days before we had to fly home. And Dave Heck came with us for like the first like four or five days. But like by the time he left, I think I was the oldest person on tour and I was 20. too. Oh my God. So everybody else was fresh out of high school and you were you were forced to be banned at? Dave was still in high school.

Starting point is 00:09:53 Me and Dylan wrote a fake contract and gave it to the board of education. So he could leave school for a month when he was 16. That's punk as far. That's what it's all about. Motherfucker. God damn. Wow, that's sick. Yeah, he was supposed to go to summer school to finish and they forgot to send

Starting point is 00:10:12 the paperwork. So he just got off like half a year for free to go. Whoa. Yeah. That's the dress of the American dream right there. Summer school is the worst, man. That's a double win. Jesus.

Starting point is 00:10:24 Dude, you know what? I had to take in summer. Did you guys go to summer school? I went to one summer, yeah. No. I had to take health in summer school. Is it because you failed or what?

Starting point is 00:10:36 No, it's because I just didn't do it. I had to take where is dick and balls in summer school? That was really pathetic. That was my freshman year first period class, and the first lesson plan was sex ed. So day two of high school was like, here you go. Just rock hard, rock hard through the mesh shorts. You had to do health in ninth grade. No joke, second period, gym class.

Starting point is 00:11:02 It was misery. It was a miserable. Dude. Rock hard. Anyway. So the collab records. we'll get into those extensively much later but

Starting point is 00:11:15 being that those are not included in the splits how that's such an interesting concept just writing a whole record with another band especially so early yeah how are those all written 100% collaboratively and

Starting point is 00:11:33 is there one band in particular you think you meshed with when making those more than any So the first one we ever did was with Mersbao, who was like, you know, legendary noise guy. I've been doing it since the 70s. We were playing a show at St. Vitus. And at that point, he had a live drummer. And his live drummer came to the show and was like, hey, like, I play with Mersbao.

Starting point is 00:12:02 Like, we should do a collaboration record. And we were like, okay, yeah, sure. But then like two days later, he actually emailed us with Masami. C-Ced in was like, all right, let's do this. And I mean, that was kind of like getting thrown in on the deep end for the first collab. Right. And he was just essentially like, do what you want.

Starting point is 00:12:23 Here's an hour of noise. Do what you want with it. So that record was like the first time. Like so for the first collab, we like actually wrote a record and then just like interspersed him into the songs. once we started doing stuff with the body was when we started like truly collaborating with other bands.

Starting point is 00:12:45 Okay. Gotcha. Did you think, you think noise artists just have like, yeah, I got hours of songs. Yeah. I mean,

Starting point is 00:12:53 I've been yelling all day. And you can have it. Yeah. Is that a noise? Are collabs like a noise thing? Oh yeah, yeah. Like,

Starting point is 00:13:03 okay. That's, I feel like that's specifically where, You want to get together and just make some noise together? Absolutely. Fuck yeah. Over 100 copies sold.

Starting point is 00:13:16 Yeah. The two body collabs, those were like front to back written together. Front. Like, and those weren't even like written together. We went to the studio and improvised. Oh, that's awesome. That's fucking cool. And the guy that the studio that we work at machines with magnets, like he's a genius

Starting point is 00:13:38 with like just recording and shit. So we would go in there, be like, all right, I got this idea, riff it out, be like, okay, I got this drum part, and then he will just like type it all in and put a song together. That's fucking awesome. So, yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:54 Dude, a good engineer, like a good wizard at the knobs. I do think that's the beauty of noise too. And I think it's easy to like look at noise from afar and be like, think it's silly. Yeah. But like playing with knobs, and creating, like, out of nothingness, creating a noise that has never been made before.

Starting point is 00:14:15 Oh. Is one of the most rewarding things I have ever felt. Just a harsh screech that does not, has yet to exist. A beautiful feel. I'm sure we've all seen like Dead Mouse, the furthest thing from noise or whatever, but he's got like the craziest home studio ever. He has a whole modular synthesizer wall.

Starting point is 00:14:37 That's all analog synth. And that's exactly what he does. And in watching, he has like a masterclass. I watched it and was like, oh, that's fucking awesome. That's fun. That's unique. It's daunting. But that's cool.

Starting point is 00:14:48 So I can appreciate it. But I don't know about that world. Like I have zero exposure. Yeah. You make the, do any of the noise programming? Oh, yeah. I mean, like a lot of the studio, like, is me.

Starting point is 00:15:06 And then Dylan will like do it in the live setting, just because it's like I can't do both kind of thing. I have had setups where I'm like running through my guitar stuff, but it's just like so much stuff to set up and tear down. Yeah. That's a that's a 50 minute changeover. If you're not opening or headlining, forget it. It ain't happened.

Starting point is 00:15:25 Yeah, yeah, it's not going to happen. Wow. That's one of my favorite parts about seeing Full of Hell. And from early, early on was Dylan doing live noise shit and working his own pedals and doing his own shit. I just think that's a cool dynamic that I can't remember another band doing in my memory. In our specific world. Yeah, in our world.

Starting point is 00:15:48 Yeah, obviously. The cool thing about noise, too, the way that you guys do it live is that there's kind of no way to like replicate those noises perfectly every time. I mean, not really like Dylan will have like samplers running, but for the most part like whatever. Like, because I mean, even with like the sense you use and stuff, like they change tone depending on the venue, like the electricity going through and all that stuff. Which what other genre can you say that about? Yeah. You're getting a different show every night. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 00:16:24 Depending on the current on the stage that day. Spencer, I watched your, uh, your, um, earthquakeer, um, like pedal board, you know, kind of. rundown like earlier today and you were one of the first people to mention like the aby like ground switch and that affecting tone and affecting just like your noise like actual unwanted noise with it in general and like that's the kind of thing that I always thought as a guitar player like I thought I was going crazy where it's like you know no things change from venue to venue and wiring is different everywhere and tube heads especially can be very like they're going to differently to different outlets and stuff.

Starting point is 00:17:08 Oh yeah. And I mean like for us touring so much, like we kind of have it mapped out where we're like, all right, it's kind of going to sound like shit today. Yeah. Yeah. Like you know the venues that they sound like shit and they're even worse on stage, but the crowd's going to be great. Yeah, exactly. I think you're also proof and a lot of you and a few other bands are proof that like any

Starting point is 00:17:30 room can sound good if you know what you're doing. Yeah. And it's like, I mean, you got to like, I mean, we've been doing it for so long and playing like so many diverse venues that we know how to like read a room before we even like get on stage. We're like, all right, I know we're not going to be able to hear each other tonight. So we got to like set up a certain way and stuff. Do you have a song guy you tour with? We just, I would say in the last like five years. But like, I mean, we like did so much deep.

Starting point is 00:18:05 DIY stuff for so long that we got used to like just playing venues without like monitors or any of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, of course. On that subject, my God, Spencer, the word grind applies in a few different ways here. I've said many times on this show that I don't think there is a band that is a better example of just not giving up and grinding until it works than full of hell. Oh, thank you. Because my God, there were some years. years there was like, holy shit, full of hell made it. You know, they made it work, dude. That like, it went from like, that band is always on tour.

Starting point is 00:18:47 Holy shit. How are they doing it to, oh, my God, these shows look insane. They have developed this whole, this, like, their own lane and culture behind them. I'm especially like, right before the body collapse, I think is where things changed. Like, I, I saw a. noticeable change where it was just like holy shit full of health did it like you guys were rocky to me you did not give up in a way where many bands didn't grind in the same way and then they didn't grind as hard as you and then gave up because it didn't work out yeah you grinded the

Starting point is 00:19:24 hardest and didn't give up and now here we are 31 releases later was there was there a tour where you kind of finally felt like, oh, this is actually pretty good. This seems like kind of a good tour. I mean, I feel like it was like, okay, so going back to an old episode and throwing it back to something Drew Brown said on the Weekend Nachos episode. Let's go back. He was like, oh, you know, I think Weekend Notches took full of hell out on one of their first tour.

Starting point is 00:20:01 It's like, no, I think we had gone to Europe like three times by. At that point, we had done that tour. Yeah, Drew. But I honestly think it was the weekend nachos tour where we were, like, played in Miami. And it was just, like, absolutely insane. Like, you know, playing at Churchill's at, like, two in the morning. And kids were just, like, hanging from the ceiling and stuff like that. Wow.

Starting point is 00:20:25 What year would that have been? I would say, I think that was 2012. Okay. So you're three years into the band. Yeah. And now bands are playing Fest two months after their demo comes out. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:39 Yeah. And it's like we, I mean, we've been a band for 15 years and we're still like fighting to get on fests. Oh, 31 records later. When,

Starting point is 00:20:51 when I know, we might be jumping ahead a little bit. When did, uh, trumpeting ecstasy come out? 2017. Yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 00:21:00 Okay. So there's quite a bit of, because that's one in my mind. Yeah, so that was the sea change for me. Yeah, exactly. So I'm trying to figure out where we are. Okay, cool. Well, let's go.

Starting point is 00:21:11 All right. Now, I think it's time. It's only fair that we go back in time now, Spencer. Okay. Because we've got to crack this nut off real quick. Okay. Come on, man. For lack of a better word.

Starting point is 00:21:25 Tell me about Spencer W. Hazard before Full of Hell. Tell me about finding extreme music and this beautiful, wacky world we're in. I think, I mean, because my town is like very small and very backwoods. Like, it is a resort town, but like when it's not summertime, there's only like 20,000 people that live here. Okay. You know everybody or what?

Starting point is 00:21:51 I mean, kind of. Like, my dad, my dad knows everybody because he does construction. So is it one of those towns where when somebody new moves in, they're like, oh, they moved into the old Johnson place. Uh, yeah, essentially. Like, ever since, ever since COVID, like, and people started, like, leaving cities, it's, like, way different. But, like, growing up, it was like, yeah, you knew everybody.

Starting point is 00:22:15 But, like, I think I got into, like, punkorama when I was, like, you know, I think, like, 10 or 11, like, my redneck cousin had a bunch of punkorama CDs. And he was just like, yeah, you can have them. Dude, you know, it's easy to clown. on stuff like that? I don't think it. I think it's difficult. I'm saying it's,

Starting point is 00:22:36 well, it's easy just to be like, oh, um, like newfound doing like the cover. Like there's like cover compilation. All this is like, it's like,

Starting point is 00:22:44 it's easy to be like, ah, yeah, but like a lot of that stuff is so instrumental in getting you into what you're going to be into. I think punko-rama. Absolutely. Victory style.

Starting point is 00:22:54 Tony Hawk. And Tony Hawk are the big three just gateways of our, our, are like roughly our generation. 1,000% The punker romer he gave me was like 2.5 or 3 or something and it had like

Starting point is 00:23:09 agnostic front and the cramps on it. Come on. So that was like yeah so like hearing that like I mean and then from there just getting into like the Ramones and stuff like that like I was absolutely obsessed with the Ramones

Starting point is 00:23:25 and there was a couple underground like you know small record stores around here and the one guy he would just let me go through his personal collection. Like my parents for like one of my birthdays bought me before, you know, records were going crazy amount of money, an original pressing of Halloween by the misfits. Dude, that's...

Starting point is 00:23:46 Do you still have it? Yeah, it's in, it's like in my closet in a frame. Okay, well, if you ever need to like... Yeah. Buy, you know... God forbid, anything happens to talk to Hardlore. If there's an IRS emergency, one... Well, we'll split it.

Starting point is 00:23:59 Yeah, straight up. We'll join custody. I mean, I had a promo copy of Leave Home by the Ramones where it says, like, do not sell to public. Oh, man. I sold it, but I had an original pressing of Viva Hate by Morrissey that still said, like, don't sell to the public and stuff like that. Property of Stephen, do not sell. Yeah. And then there's like another record store where it's like I found my first cattle decapitation CD and Carbush.

Starting point is 00:24:30 circus CD and stuff like that. So it's like there was all these small gems in these like, you know, small record stores. How old are you now? I'm 35. 35. Okay, so we're, I'm a year older than you. So we're essentially the same age. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:45 And you were getting into punk and stuff when you were about 11, 12, you said? I've said like 6th, 7th grade, yeah. Yeah. Cool. Wow. You don't have an older sibling to guide you? It was just this.

Starting point is 00:24:57 I'm an only child. The same here. See? it's a tough journey. So the fact that, thank God for these local record stores in a small vacation town.

Starting point is 00:25:08 Yeah. Could have gone any other way. Punko-Rama to the Ramones, to Morrissey, to Carcass. That's kind of best case scenario. Was Punko-Rama a warp tour related?

Starting point is 00:25:23 So the closest work tour to me was still like three or four hours away. Like I finally, I went to my, first warped tour when I was like 15 but I like started going to local shows when I was like 12 like it was like two bucks to go to the bus and I'd just go to like the like local you know VFW hall and I have like old flyers at my parents house of like death by stereo played there and fallout boy was supposed to play there and shit like that death by stereo was an early like an early

Starting point is 00:25:54 band for me probably around that age around 11 or 12 yeah we played with them in Europe the last time we there, we just had like a one-off random show somewhere in Germany with with them. And they were so awesome. It was, it was like a very full circle moment and they were cool as fuck. But, um, but what I meant to say is, was punkorama, was that of a warp tour release? It was epitaph. It was epitaph. That's right. Did warp have a compilation too? I feel like there was another. I mean, it was probably like the Vans warped tour compilation. Yeah, because I remember them at like hot topic and stuff in them all. Yeah. Promotional.

Starting point is 00:26:32 Yeah, I never, I never did that. I only went to one Warp Tour and I just saw Andrew W.K. I only went to one Warp Tour also and it was the one that we were on. Yeah. Yeah, I like, I mean, of course, when I was like 14 or 15 in like ninth grade, I got into like the more like metal core scene stuff a little bit, but it just like, I only was into it for like maybe a year. And then I got the one Hellfest DVD that had the Locust in it. And then once I saw the Locust, I was like, all right, I'm done.

Starting point is 00:27:06 Done with this other shit. I heard there's a documentary coming about Hellfest. Oh, that's it. Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like a good like the hardcore, medical war, Hellfest, like a doc coming. Those lineups look, the videos and lineups look fake now.

Starting point is 00:27:23 Yeah. Yeah. Straight up. Which is awesome. How long have you been straight-edge, Spencer? Since I was 15. Yeah. And I think, like, I like, me and my friends, of course, would, you know, like, steal alcohol from their parents and stuff.

Starting point is 00:27:39 And then, like, one time I just, like, got in trouble. And then I was just like, all right, I don't want to do this shit. And then I, like, I got the one throw-down CD. And I was just like, yeah. Dude, we, that, I mean, almost identical story. I used to steal my mom's booze. and then I got Beyond Repair and I downloaded like raise your fist

Starting point is 00:28:00 and it was like, oh. Probably to the day here. Yeah, honestly, probably the same summer. Happy 20th anniversary, guys. Yeah, yeah, that's, I was going to say like from an out, not knowing you very well outside of running into you a couple times,

Starting point is 00:28:17 playing some shows together. You get, I was going to say you very much give the impression that you were always like a metal dude. So even to hear you say that you were into like some metalcore stuff, punk stuff, you know, it's refreshing. It's nice. I love hearing that somebody got into where we are now through like punk and, and I don't know. I think like it was just like it started out punk because since we are like a resort beach town, there's so much like surfing and skateboarding and stuff like that. So it's more punk adjacent than metal adjacent.

Starting point is 00:28:55 But then it's like, you know, when you turn 14 or 15, you get like my space and MTV2 and then you get headbanger's balls. So you're like, oh, there's that stuff. Absolutely. And I, you know, part of the journey is finding out what you don't like. And when you, a lot of your peers are like, yo, this metal core shit is awesome. You should check this out. Part of you is like, okay, well, what am I, what am I missing? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:20 Because I'm supposed to like this. So I got to give you a shot. And then you grow up in your eyes, they're not supposed to like anything. Yeah. Our tastes are our tastes. I remember specifically, like, the divide of, like, you know, playing music with my friends and stuff where I was, like, getting more into, like, the Hydrahead stuff. And then once I started getting really into, like, municipal waste, they're like, that shit sucks. I don't know what you're doing now, listening stuff like this.

Starting point is 00:29:45 So I'm like, okay. Just like, I don't know, like the same scene emo stuff. Yeah. Like, and they just never got out of it. Interesting. A lot of those people I find, respectfully, never do get out of it. Yeah. And now they're just parents somewhere.

Starting point is 00:30:02 Have they written 31 records? No. I think like most of them gave up on music after like after a while. Yeah. So go that if you're listening, go to the Hydrahead municipal waste route, you know? Yeah. It'll get you to 31. What was your, what was your first band ever?

Starting point is 00:30:23 We were called Ghosts, for heroes. It was like hard. My friend named it after like some line from like a Pink Floyd record, but it was like Screamo. Oh, okay. So, and then I went from that to like a

Starting point is 00:30:40 Mashi straight edge band. Fuck yeah. So throw it up. Yeah. What was that band called? Heroes for Ghosts. We were called In It to Win It. Dude. Perfect. Oh my God. Were there exes? Were there

Starting point is 00:30:55 any X's? Yes. I knew it. There had to be. We even, we were supposed to release a record on that label, 19881. If you remember that label.

Starting point is 00:31:07 I do not remember 1981. It is symmetrical, though. I like that was like, they had like suffocate faster and X represent X on it and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:16 Is this the seventh dagger alternative? Yeah. Okay. So, not in their neighborhood, motherfucker. That kind of thing. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:24 So like, I was in, that band for like a year and then our drummer ended up joining that band kingdom from philly oh wow yeah and then he did one european tour with them came back and uh there was like the singer of that band and him had issues so we're like let's just start a new band and i was like i mean i was into like i said some metalcore stuff but this was when i was like 18 or 19 so like you see like promos and they're all wearing like you know the metal like mosh mosh core shirts and i'm wearing like a drop dead or charles bronson shirt dude charles bronson riffs did you let me ask you something this is a

Starting point is 00:32:08 vulnerable question did you own a white studded belt oh yeah of course when i was like 16 yeah of course i wish i had that i i did have the xxxx belt buckle dude chris mills had that dude if you bend over you're you're bleeding from the fucking belly. Your belly button's in half. I had a straight, it just said straight XXXX edge on a Navy hoodie. I still have it. Size small.

Starting point is 00:32:35 But I had it in high school. That's the one thing I still have. Yeah. Hard as hell. So in it X to win it. Heroes for ghosts. Goes for heroes. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:44 Then they goes for heroes. Yeah. That shit's long gone. Thank God. We'll see about that. We got some sleuths. Yeah. But.

Starting point is 00:32:54 Yeah, he came back from the Tour with Kingdom and then, like, we are like, let's do something more like along the lines of like cursed and stuff like that. And then that's what became full of hell. Really? That soon. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So Dylan wasn't even the original singer.

Starting point is 00:33:13 Wow. That's, I mean, you got to change the wiki then. They got to, this is huge. We're about to be in the references section of your wiki. So I'm really proud of that. Who was the original singer? What was his name? his name was

Starting point is 00:33:26 Dustin. I haven't talked to him in like a decade. It's funny you say that. Dustin, come on it. Justin. Yeah. That was good. That'll be fun. Wow, that's awesome. So did you, were you quite a bit older than

Starting point is 00:33:41 Dylan, Dave, and Brandon at the time? Dylan is a year older, or Dylan's a year younger than me. And we met because he was touring playing guitar for a band and Fool of Hell was it was our second Full of Hell tour and our singer ended up quitting after that tour

Starting point is 00:34:05 so Dylan hit us up and was like I'll sing for you guys and we're like but you live like six hours away from us and he's like yeah that's fine we'll figure it out and then it's just been that ever since what a fucking call or email or whatever he did that's fucking genius Jeez.

Starting point is 00:34:22 That's awesome. Wow, that's really interesting. I truly did not know that he wasn't the OG guy. So there's on the first two demos, he's not the guy. On the first two demos, he's not the guy on the original demo. There is like, there's this like Christian metalcore band, but the drummer lives around here. And he like, it's this band called O Sleeper. And the drummer of that band plays on the first four song full of hell demo.

Starting point is 00:34:50 but we had to pay up like 50 bucks to play all that session guy yeah very Christian of him and then uh the first I like from like connections of like doing tours with in it to win it I booked uh the first full of hell tour after we've been a band for like three months and it was a three week east coast tour and I hit up Dave and he was like I've never played a I've never played a show before and I'm like that's fine Yeah, you'll be fun. Damn. So this was his first band.

Starting point is 00:35:24 His first band, I gave him a list of, like, I'd probably like 200 bands of just like power violence and grind and death metal. I'm like, check out this stuff. And he's like, okay. Wow. And he's a fucking animal, dude. Yeah. Truly unbelievable drummer.

Starting point is 00:35:43 So, man, that's very cool to hear. Yeah. Wow. Great job there. He showed him the right stuff. That's awesome. So your first tour was a three-week East Coast thing. You booked yourself.

Starting point is 00:35:59 To this day, what would you say was the worst single day you've had on a tour? I mean, probably when our van got stolen, but you had one of those too? That was semi-recently. Yeah. Yeah. The day after Thanksgiving, we went, like, we got to show the day off to go to Thanksgiving. We went to Waffle House and we parked our van in a hotel that had like extended state airport parking and then it was just gone the next morning.

Starting point is 00:36:36 They found the husk of the van in one bag of T-shirts. That's it. The husk? Yeah. They parted it out. Yeah. I like was on my way to the like, notary. place to get the final check to get like the Kelly Blue Book value of the van and as I was on my way

Starting point is 00:36:55 the insurance lady called me and it's like well we found the like skeleton of your van so we're going to give you like two thousand bucks for it oh god I remember after that happened because it was not too long after we had all our shit and I was texting Dylan just about like do this reach out to yeah like you guys are going to have some some light on you reach out to like brands and companies that you want to work with because now's the time and you're going to blah blah blah you know i just i remember that god that's the worst the worst why would you ask what was what was the worst day and you guys have such weird specific shit that you use live that that had to have been near like have you even replaced all that to this day yeah we were

Starting point is 00:37:44 able to get like a lot of it replaced and especially tools like Immediately after that tour, COVID happened. So we had to cancel a European tour like a month later. So like I had like an aluminum guitar stolen, but Dave had a ride symbol gifted to him from Igor Cavalera. So that's just gone now. No. Well, Igor.

Starting point is 00:38:10 Igor, if you're listening, Dave needs another ride. Did you have a, did you have one of Dean's amps taken? Were you playing those at the time? No, not at the time. That's good. But we, like, it was a custom, like, it was like the fourth guitar. This guy had ever built an aluminum guitar. That's just gone forever.

Starting point is 00:38:31 And it probably got fucking sold to some shitty pawn shop or eBay bullshit liar. Or, like, my wife says, she's like, it's so distinct that it would pop up on reverb or Facebook marketplace. She's like, it's probably just in some kid's fucking closet that is parent of his dad. It was like, here's a guitar. How long you've been married? Coming up on a year. Wow. Oh, thank you.

Starting point is 00:38:56 Congrats. How long have you been together? I would say like almost right before the van got stolen. Oh, perfect. Started like talking to each other and seeing each other. Where was she that day? Yeah. She was in Minneapolis.

Starting point is 00:39:13 Oh, perfect. A likely story. Good mall. Good mall. Great mall. So you got, uh, beautiful custom aluminum guitar stolen. What kind of guitar are you playing now?

Starting point is 00:39:22 I got a picture of it here. Could you describe it for Bo? I mean, it depends on one. I got so many guitars at this point. I don't know which one. I'm looking at a pink one. Oh, the pink one rocks. The pink aluminum one?

Starting point is 00:39:35 Yeah. Yeah, that's, so that's the like replacement I got for the orange aluminum one that was stolen. The pink aluminum one, yes, as opposed to the other pink one, possibly. Yes, I have a pink jazz master too. Oh, no, I'm looking at the pink jazz master. Okay, okay, okay. So much jazz can come out of this thing. Again, I watched your Earthquaker thing, and you were playing,

Starting point is 00:40:02 were you playing a Jazz Master on the rhythm selection? You play the neck pickup? No. Okay, good. It was just the camera then. Yeah, I think it's the camera. A lot of the times I just have those like gutted out, and it's just like, Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:17 Usually just one pickup in it. Yeah. For sure. Fuck, yeah. So that's the worst single day on tours when Full of Hell got there. I was just because sometimes I want to get into like guitar shit and gear shit, but I know that's really niche and I don't want to more people. But this is, this seems like the time to do it, man. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:40:36 I think such a large part of the Full of Hell following is just like guys who or, you know, not guys specifically, but gear people. Yeah. Who, and to your own admission, you're like, I'm not the best guitar player. I'm just, I just make stuff. Yeah. Because that's what I know how to do. I think that's the best, that's the most important thing. And that's, that's like why Full of Hell connects with so many people.

Starting point is 00:41:01 It's just like, you're doing it right. You're doing it on your own terms. You're just making cool shit with cool toys, which is fun. Yeah. But tell us about those toys, Spencer. Yeah. So let me ask you, Spencer. Yes.

Starting point is 00:41:15 You have an extensive pedal board, which has, each one of them has three points that can fail that plug into each other. You know what I mean? Yes. Power supplies and grounding issues and step downs when you go to Europe and all this stuff. Is there any appeal to you towards getting away from actual pedals and moving into amp modelers or effects processors? Never amp modelers, just because it's like playing live, it's not even like hearing. myself it's feeling the stage vibrate like I can't deal with not feeling what's going on behind me but as far as like pedals like I mean I could do a whole set without any pedals it's just like

Starting point is 00:42:00 you know we do a bunch of stuff where we do a bunch of like improv and stuff during our set so it's like just little flavors but like I could do a whole set with just like a delay pedal or something got you but why not you know use the Batman utility belt of pedal boards. To be devil's advocate, you know, I use a 700 watt power amp that's pushing a cab behind me with a quad cortex that's doing all the effects. So like, she can rumble if you want it to. I'm just, when I look at a board like that or like code, Code Orange was like infamous always,

Starting point is 00:42:41 like Reba always had some bullshit going on kind of thing, you know, I look at crazy. setups, and all I do is I go into catastrophe. Everything's going to go wrong. One patch cable. Yeah, I got an idea coming. It's coming. Don't worry about that. And so that's all I, that's why I ask is like, looking at watching your Earthquaker thing,

Starting point is 00:43:03 I was just like, oh my God, that's a lot of patch cables. That's a lot of solder that can go insane. Yeah, and like there's definitely been times where I'm just like, I think it was like one time we were playing Aladdin's and just like, you know, someone kick my pedal board off the stage. I was like, all right, fuck it. I'll just plug right into the amp. It doesn't matter. So like, I mean, like I said, I could do a full tour with just like a delay and a tuner, but it's like, I mean, I'm just trying to make it interesting for myself and each other.

Starting point is 00:43:35 And like, as you're saying about like the power amp and stuff, it's just like, I don't know, a head on a cab just looks so much cooler. No argument ever. There's nothing cooler. When we played, I think it was 2015, we played a couple shows together, like in the summer, in like Texas maybe or Kansas, something. And you were playing out of a full stack,

Starting point is 00:43:56 Marshalls, I think. Maybe, yeah. Maybe, yeah, I think vaguely in my memory. And it just like, it was, I remember thinking like, damn, they look cool as hell. You know, it's such an easy, like, wow. It breaks my heart, Spencer, that the one tour

Starting point is 00:44:12 our bands have ever done together is the one tour in my entire life that I've been filled in for Oh yeah Is that the Nails tour? The Nails God's 8 full of L

Starting point is 00:44:26 great tour Yeah One tour I didn't do Yeah Oh shit that's why Who filled in for you? You were playing guitar at the time Kyle

Starting point is 00:44:37 Yeah I was playing guitar at the time Kyle joined your band right after that. That's right. Essentially. Sad.

Starting point is 00:44:47 Yeah, and I think that I mean, that tour was, I would say every show was good except for Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh was like,

Starting point is 00:44:54 for some reason, something flipped and it was just like, wow, this show's weird as shit. Interesting. There's got to be, they can't all be winners.

Starting point is 00:45:04 Hey, it's pit or miss, am I right? I mean, it was that day. Yeah. gorgeous home with the big mac uh wow you did a split with did was the split with nails before that or after i think it was right before maybe i don't i can't led to the tour in somewhere or another

Starting point is 00:45:23 one led to the other yeah yeah exactly really cool is there is there a split that comes to mind that you're most proud of or remember just being most jazzed on the side warfare one's pretty crazy. Yeah. I mean, I really like the one we did with that band Intensive Care.

Starting point is 00:45:44 Oh, dude. Especially too, because we covered Brutal Truth, but we covered the five second song, five second long song, brutal truth song. We started adding that to our live set as well. Isn't that the best? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:59 But it's like, that was like a split where I was just like, all right, 500 copies, to be up for like an hour one and done never pressed again and so just people are so mad about it but i'm like hey we're going to stick to a gun to not repress it no exactly that's the fun that's what creating the like scarcity of that i understand the some people being mad they can't get it but that's the fun part is the people that do get it talk about it forever and it's this thing that they're proud to have and then and then everybody tries to get the next one it's fun yeah it's fun stuff

Starting point is 00:46:35 Uh, 2014, 2015 is when, again, I said that I could see full of hell getting this like culture of its own, this life of its own in their own lane. And then the collabs popped off. The body ones, uh, really was where I was like, damn, this band is the shit. They're doing their own thing. Have you, do you have plans to do, kind of close the trilogy with the, with the body at any point? Not currently, but. I mean, we already have another collab record recorded and sitting on it until this record's out.

Starting point is 00:47:11 And it's like with another guy, but it is like, it's completely opposite in the spectrum of coagulated. Oh. Do people know about this? No. Exclusive, hard lore content. We've been working on this one for, I think, like four years trading stuff back and forth. Holy shit. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:32 Any horns on it. and deaf leopard. I think there's saxophone on it. You know, I'm glad you bring that up. In 2015, like I said, we played some shows together, and you guys had a saxman on stage. I, and I mean this purely objectively, I am not for horns.

Starting point is 00:47:56 I'm just not a horn guy in aggressive music. That's just my stance. Pro horn, just to get that out there. He's a pro horner. I'm not anti. I'm just not pro. If you can pull it off, you can pull it off. But I bring this up to say, when we played with you guys and your guy who was playing

Starting point is 00:48:14 Sacks wasn't playing and he was just going off and head banging hard as hell, I thought that was one of the coolest things I've actually ever seen. So yeah, that's Sam. He plays bass now. Oh, awesome. Ah, that's smart. How to bringing Sacks is going into a project like. like full of hell come about.

Starting point is 00:48:35 I've wanted to ask you that since 2015. I think it was like a situation where we're just like playing a lot of shows where we already stuck out. So we're like, why don't we be even more annoying? So wait. Oh, that's kind of the best answer you could have given me. You did it because you're kind of leaning into it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:48:55 We are like, wow. I mean, we always like, we are very influenced by like, you know, noise rock bands. like brain bombs and stuff like that where it's like you know and even like I mean from Chicago like rectal hygienics and stuff sure like they have sacks and stuff and I think it's just to be confrontational and add an extra layer and that was like you know like I said it's like we already stick out like a sore thumb on a lot of these shows because I think that tour was down to like south by southwest when it started to like first year it started to really fucking suck yeah and we were just like, you know what?

Starting point is 00:49:33 Let's just like, you know, piss people off even more. It's just like, you know. Dude, grind, grind ska is a concept. Is a saxophone considered a horn? Because it's a woodwind? I don't think. I think it's a woodwind, right? It is a woodwind for sure.

Starting point is 00:49:50 But when you say, take it to the horns, like when Bruce Springsteen talks to the horn section, is he talking sax? I don't know either. I think horns are horns are here sacks I don't know I don't know the rules

Starting point is 00:50:05 you might Spencer let's get Sam on the yeah FaceTime and ask him what they are that's awesome you fuck with the boss tones

Starting point is 00:50:14 no you should check them out yeah I mean I've never heard of them you know it's a similar idea to Full of Hell with what you're doing a lot of checkers like us

Starting point is 00:50:26 presented differently you know the one guy just dancing. Yeah. The guy's, the guy's moshing with his horn. That's what Dylan initially was,

Starting point is 00:50:34 was the dancer. That we switched the vocals. Good. Good move. Great move. Okay, so trumpeting, ecstasy, speaking of ska. Next full length,

Starting point is 00:50:44 next full length after the body collabs, this feels like big level up. It's like full of hell's, full of hell's kind of really arrived by this time. Tell me about putting that record together, how it was received. what things felt like within full of hell at the time. We had like the Mursbaal collab,

Starting point is 00:51:04 like the LP version came out on A389 and the CD version came out on Profound lore. And yeah, that was like to a point where I was like, I think all of us were kind of stepping up in being like more technically proficient players. We're like, let's kind of lean into that some more than like just like grind

Starting point is 00:51:28 in like you know punk's type stuff and it was like it got to a point where I was like I mean I was so self-conscious about like other releases being like oh this is too death metal sounding whereas that record I'm like if it comes out death metal sounding that's what it is yeah isn't that interesting I remember when that came out I saw that fucking artwork everywhere yeah every day online when whatever social media whatever was around at the time I saw it fucking everywhere and I remember thinking like, damn. They, yeah,

Starting point is 00:52:01 just like you said, Colin, like they did it. They fucking did it, man. They grounded. Yeah. And I mean,

Starting point is 00:52:07 that like when Mark McCoy did that artwork and me and Dylan first saw it and we're like, I don't know, man. We're like, really, really. We wanted it to be more like youth attack looking.

Starting point is 00:52:18 And he sent that to us. And then it was like the next day, me and Dylan were like, it is kind of striking. It's like very simplistic. And then like, the first, tour we did for that record that had maybe only been out a couple months.

Starting point is 00:52:32 Like, we saw people at an obscene extreme with trumpeting tattoos already. And we were like, holy shit. Thank you, Mark. Yeah. Thank you. I genuinely think Mark is in like a league of his own in the,

Starting point is 00:52:45 the like photo alteration world. Taking something real and making it not real. I think he's the goat. And like, that's another thing that comes up like looking at his stuff. and with like the new record and I don't need to like jump ahead but it's like no it's kind of weird now that like because people already have given a shit for the new cover being like is this AI and I'm like afraid people now are going to be like to him be like all your stuff's AI looking and it's like no he's just like

Starting point is 00:53:15 was ahead of the curve he is the eye yeah and it is simply I it is artificial and that it is you know this is not a photograph anymore yeah but i made i made it with i so silly wow i've never even thought about that uh so yeah we're you know we're leveled up at this time you got two more lps okay so weeping choir that's relapse yeah that's first one with relapse amazing how did that come about how was working with them on that um i mean it was cool like we had always just done like such small like niche labels like I feel like profile lore has grown a lot but at that point it was like such an extreme underground metal label and then of course yeah a 389 was like very hands on with just like dom and then it's like I mean we did a seven inch with John caution as well

Starting point is 00:54:12 which you know hell yeah right well you know say stuff about that but I would love to get into that this is a safe space yeah I mean let's just say the second impressed he was like a closed casket can do it oh okay I see okay man he's got a lot on his plate that man he really does just yeah profound Laura sorry I just had to double check that they put out the disma record yeah that's one of the best things ever yeah I mean there's some you know stuff about that but yeah oh yeah yeah so like fuck them but yeah yeah yeah it's pretty good I remember at the time it being like, oh, death death metal is back.

Starting point is 00:54:58 Like when that came out, it was like, oh, like, here it is. Yeah. At what cost? Yeah. But, yeah, good. Like, I mean, it was cool working with relapse. It was just like such a different experience compared to like more DIY stuff. That's like, I mean, like I said, it was cool, but there's certain aspects where I'm like,

Starting point is 00:55:21 I kind of like the DIY like hands on approach to it more. Interesting. Sure. Rather than talking to somebody's assistant and whatnot. Yeah, I mean, it's like with Justin, I can text him. Lord, can you ever.

Starting point is 00:55:36 Yeah. With relapse, it's like, you know, they're like a big machine. So it's like you got to email this person in this department, this person, this department, like. Which is like, it's a sign of how good they are at their job to an extent, you know, of like that they've, they've grown into something so big and

Starting point is 00:55:57 successful that it has to be that way. Right. But like a band like full of hell and like our bands, I'd much rather just call the guy and be like, hey, what color can this record be? Yeah. Yeah. And like going back of like me getting into extreme stuff. I mean, if we're all at the same age, I'm sure you guys remember the old relapse website where it was just like, you go to the tabs of like, here's this genre, this genre, and then you get to like the super extreme like gore grind and porn grind stuff and you're just like, I don't know if I want to get

Starting point is 00:56:28 into it this deep. But they had it all. They had it. It was there. It's a huge benchmark. I mean, relapse is like a, that's a, one of the greats in this world. So that's a huge accomplishment. It's a household metal label name for sure.

Starting point is 00:56:44 But something of a close casket where when you bring up this nothing collab, which is both insane and like the perfect, it's a home run, this thing, when no birds sang, it's called. It is your most ambitious collaboration, I feel like. Yeah. It's an amazing example of what both bands are capable of and what bands can, both bands can bring out in each other.

Starting point is 00:57:11 Somebody like Justin is not going to hesitate with something like this. Yeah. I'm sure that was an instant like, yeah, of course, let's do it. Here's money. yeah yeah and it's like i mean that like and there was so much going into it not even just like the recording part of it

Starting point is 00:57:29 is just like figuring it out kind of thing it's just like how did you do that yeah yeah tell me about it so i mean initially it was to play at roadburn so it wasn't even written like they asked us to do a collaboration and we're like okay okay like and instead of being like oh let's just like improvise and do some like free form stuff or like cover each other songs. Nikki was like, how about me and Doyle like come down to Ocean City for like four days and

Starting point is 00:58:00 we write some songs? So we wrote like four or five songs like demoed them, sat on them and then practiced it one more time before the set and then played it for the first time in front of like 3,000 people. That's insane. It hadn't even been like formally recorded yet. So like we sat on those like demos for a couple years. Like I think two years and then we finally had enough time. Like both of us had like our schedule that we could go to Will Putney and like spend like I think 10 days like just tightening everything up making sure like structure and all that

Starting point is 00:58:43 and then we recorded it. Wow. So this was three or four years ago that you have. actually played the songs. Yeah, I think we, it was Roadburn 2021 as well.

Starting point is 00:58:54 Yeah, and it was like, I mean, that was like one of her like first, I think we did a couple shows with Converge and then we did

Starting point is 00:59:03 road burn, but yeah, like right after COVID. So, yeah, and that was like for Roadburn, it was we had to play

Starting point is 00:59:11 trumpeting, weeping and garden all the way through. Then on the fourth day. One set? No, It was we played four days of the festival. Oh, it's one of those.

Starting point is 00:59:24 I see. We had to learn like 60 songs plus remember this collaboration. Dude, I would have been losing my mind. Yeah. I don't know if any other band could have done that. Holy shit. And like I said, like, you know, first time playing the nothing club, not in front of like a small venue, but like a theater in. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:42 You know, Netherlands. Yeah. How much did the songs change between that? and when it was time to record them. I think we just like mainly just like tightened up stuff of just being like a lot of the stuff it's like, okay, we got to fill an hour long set for this collab. Yeah. It's like, you know, run this part this many times kind of thing.

Starting point is 01:00:02 Sure. Like let it breathe. And once we got in the studio, we're like, all right, this feels more comfortable, blah, blah, blah. And then we did like wrote two songs in the studio as well. Cool. And, you know, Putney's the guy to do something like that way. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:17 Yeah. I mean, that was like the first, like we've worked with like Kurt, uh, blue and stuff and, uh, like I said, machines with magnets. But I think that was like the first time that we had worked with like a producer, producer. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, same. Same for us when, when we recorded with, with what we did actual pre-production where it was like, show me what you got. I've heard the demos.

Starting point is 01:00:41 Let's sit down and dissect every song and make sure it's exactly what we love. And it's probably the most important. part of any project. Yeah. Huge. I mean, sometimes you get lightning in a bottle and it's just perfect the way that it is and should be delivered that way. But a lot of times, an extra set of ears that isn't involved that is like can refine.

Starting point is 01:01:01 There's no ego in that in those changes or those decisions. It's just like, hey, this is what would be better. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that was like a very important like learning process of like working with Nikki because like we did butt heads in the studios because I think it's. It's like we're both like the strong voices behind both of our bands. But I think it was helpful with this new record of being like, well, this actually serves the song.

Starting point is 01:01:26 Like don't force things, don't add things. Interesting. Very interesting. I mean, I can't stress how successful that collaboration was just to me. And I know that just by talking to Justin every day, when you did it, Justin was texting me and calling me sometimes just to talk about it. just to be like, I can't fucking believe how sick this. So that's, I mean, that's another endorsement of just like what it's like to work with Close Casket is that he's so excited about everything he's working on that he's going to, he's going to make it work. Coagulated Bliss is the thing that's about to be working real well.

Starting point is 01:02:06 Recorded with Kevin Bernstein at Developing Nations. How is that? I mean, we've been working with Kevin since our first LP roots and he's like, He's done a couple. He's done roots, rudiments, the Murs Balcabab, and like four or five splits that we've done in seven inches. Wow. So we've been working with him for years. And he's the one that makes the aluminum guitars as well.

Starting point is 01:02:34 So, yeah. So, like, we- So he's done about 20 of your records. Yeah, 20 of our records. I mean, he's recorded our side projects. I was in a band called I Flies with him at one point. like so we know each other pretty well so kind of kind of an unofficial additional member he's part of the part of the squad yeah yeah yeah yeah well very interesting uh mixed by taylor young yes so i heard this

Starting point is 01:03:02 thing early i'll tell you what i'll be honest with you i think i think sixth lp 31st record best one oh thank you which god which god damn is that difficult to pull off 31 records later well Thank you. It's truly a sonic adventure that I can't wait for people to hear. Taylor mixing it for me to just to me as a, as a fan, a longtime fan and listener, Taylor's whole, like, philosophy with music is making it real and making sure it's like, hey, what you're doing, I want people to hear. What you tuned your snare like, I want people to hear.

Starting point is 01:03:39 The tones that you create, I want people to hear. So it really kind of felt like the perfect. between what his philosophy and what you guys believe in and the music you write. How was that? How are you feeling about the way the record sounds? I personally was blown away by it. And I like, that's like the thing like Kevin is more,

Starting point is 01:04:03 he's in this band called Triac. That's been around forever. But he's like a Baltimore like grind guy. Okay. So there's certain aspects where he was like, I think it should sound like this. And we're like, we trust. Taylor to do it because it's like he's going to come from a different angle than you and we want

Starting point is 01:04:22 to meld like your more raw grind background with Taylor who like does mix like something like suicide silence like we want to combine where it's like the grittiness but it sounds modern as well sure and I do I mean and the way you nailed it nailed that with this one it was really funny hearing him be like yeah mixing is full of hell record right now it's fucking awesome just waiting on sacks just waiting on the sax track very good uh you got ross from emulation on a track yeah how'd you pull that off uh when we toured with the cavalera brothers emulation was on that tour and that was like it was cool to be like all the cabaleras but then they're dillon called us while we were at band practice and was like oh emulation's going to be the second band and we're like

Starting point is 01:05:15 Oh, shit. Yeah, that's funny crazy. But, like, the best part is we, the first show was, like, at the hard rock cafe in Las Vegas. Played there. Yeah. And that's a wild one. Like, we are used to being, like, we just started touring with a trailer, like, a year ago. It's always been just, like, cram everything in.

Starting point is 01:05:38 A year ago now? Yeah. You have so many items. Yeah, we just crammed it in. Just on a sheer mathematical item, item, math equation, how could you do that for so long? That's the ultimate Tetris. We like, we were kind of nerd, like the first tour we did it with was this converged tour.

Starting point is 01:06:00 Like, I forget, whenever. But we were even like, we should just try to see if we can fit everything in the van without the trailer. And we are able to do it, but we were like, this is just going to suck. So we were like, all right, let's just use a trailer. But emulation pulled up in like a beat up fucking black like old Ford van from like the mid-90s. No trailer either. Or no, they had like a new hall, but they were all like throughout the tour, they're like, yeah, we don't get hotels. We sleep in the van every night.

Starting point is 01:06:31 We just take showers at truck stops. And then we are like, all right, these guys are the real deal. And like. So you were inspired. You were re-inspired by that. And then like. We played a show in New York and like Ross came to the show just to hang out. And then he was like, oh, here's all my friends from the old CBGB's days and all those guys from like breakdown and stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:06:53 And we're like, yeah, these guys are literally the real deal. That's fucking awesome. Damn, emulation fucking rocks. That's crazy. Was it that crazy Acacia Strain tour you did where you finally got a trailer? No, it was like I said, the Converged Tour. Oh, okay, the Converged one. But the Casey Estrain tour was the, I think, second time ever that we used the trailer.

Starting point is 01:07:20 That tour was wildly successful. So thank fucking God. You got a trailer. Wouldn't fit all that cotton in the band. Trailers are so much, like, I'm so great. We only started doing them a couple years ago also, like a year before COVID, really. Yeah. And like, they changed so much.

Starting point is 01:07:41 I think they're safer because they have to go. slower. Yeah. You know, you have to be a little more mindful. I don't know. I love them. And I can't believe how many overnight drives we did like sitting up. Dude, fuck.

Starting point is 01:07:53 I'll never do it again. I have to be horizontal. Yeah. We were just like, I mean, we were always kind of just like for even doing DIY touring. It's like you hear so many bands of being like, oh, let us sleep on your couch. We were always just like, eh, we don't want to talk to anybody. Let's just sleep in the van. Someone's sleeping on the base cab.

Starting point is 01:08:12 someone sleeping underneath of the band like oh wow great move uh we how 15 years later spencer the dynamic within the band Dylan Spencer Dave and Sam Sam

Starting point is 01:08:32 Sam how could I forget the sexy sax man how could I forget the sexy sax man how what's the dynamic like between the four of you this this long into your career I mean, we're all very, very different. Like, Dave is very much a party guy. I'm like, I mean, Dylan is like, you know, a dad now. Oh, shit.

Starting point is 01:08:59 You know, Sam, Sam is like, he lives in Philly, so he's, you know, part of like the cool, like, hanging out with the Philly punk kids and stuff like that. So it's like. He's at jazz clubs. Yeah, yeah, he's at the jazz clubs. Yeah, he's at the funky chicken on Sundays. So, yeah, dynamics, we're all very different people, but I think we all have like a very common goal of just being like, I mean, we've been doing this band for how many years, like what else are we supposed to do?

Starting point is 01:09:33 Sure. Do you get along well to this still? I mean, there's, yeah, there's, there's ebbs and flows with. it. For sure. Yeah. It's a family affair, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:47 And it happens. Yeah, I would say my band are my four best friends in the world and we fight every single tour. Everybody does. Yep. 31 records. You're gonna, you're gonna argue. It's okay.

Starting point is 01:10:01 It's okay. It's fine. We accept it. Some questions that we kind of like to ask everybody. Okay. Are you ready for this? Yes. full of hell is on tour right

Starting point is 01:10:14 you're flying down the road and I got a couple other ones we'll go back but you're flying down the road you're all starving out of your fucking mind I'm hungry you see this magical sign that has all the food places on it

Starting point is 01:10:28 what what is the place that the band is going to unanimously agree to pull over and eat I think probably because they're so rare now Pizza Hut Express Express That is a first.

Starting point is 01:10:44 Dude. What does Pizza Hut Express have that a normal Pizza Hut? Like, tell me, I don't know. Just the little pans. The little pans and breadsticks, and that's it. That's it. But it's like, it's baked differently. It's like the sauce is a little bit different.

Starting point is 01:10:58 But it's like, you don't see them that much anymore. There may be like once every couple, like, every five states. Wow. So it's full of hell loves the Pizza Hut Express. Yes. And it's like, I mean, that's a place where it's like, when we see it, we're like, all right, we better go get it. Sam's like, bram, man.

Starting point is 01:11:16 Dude, that's fucking... The Target has that. Yeah, target. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not, but, like, so the target by my house, it, like, has a self-serve pizza at Express, and it's like, maybe the people put out pizza maybe, like, once a week. Just like, they don't stock it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:34 Oh, my God. I'll grab one on the go when I'm getting my cart. Most times I go to Target. I mean, when I lived in. Philly. I lived like half like I lived in a pretty bad area. I lived in Kensington. So I was like, I'm not walking around. I would drive to the target and be like, all right, I'm getting pizza at Express. And then even too, like when me and my wife are like, all right, we got to watch wrestling tonight. Let's go to Pizza at Express, get some pizzas and bring them home.

Starting point is 01:12:04 Well, you've cracked another nut off here. What kind of wrestling you into? What are we talking? So, I mean, I do. I know you guys, you're with Brody, but I'm a WWE guy. I'm sorry. It's gotten better. I like the stories more than the actual wrestling. That's like me and my, me and my wife like, and I mean, we like watching about like the all the old like territory stuff. And it's so, dude, that's the coolest shit.

Starting point is 01:12:38 It's so story based. That's why we like WWA. So have you been watching since, like, since you were young? No. I remember, like, the attitude era when I was, like, in elementary school, but it was, like, all the kids that were really into wrestling in elementary school were kind of, like, dicks. So I was like, I don't like wrestling.

Starting point is 01:12:58 But, like, for some reason, me and my wife were just like, let's just watch, like, money in the bank, and then we've just been obsessed ever since. Which one? Like, this year? like two years ago. Okay. Two years ago. Was that the COVID one?

Starting point is 01:13:13 No, it was like right after COVID. That was fucked. That sucked. Dude, the COVID one though, there was, I mean, obviously, McMahon is persona non grata, but when Danielson and AJ bust into his office, that was pretty sick. But my God, brutal. Yeah. So let me ask.

Starting point is 01:13:30 That's hilarious. Can you give me your Mount Rushmore of pro wrestlers? Just your big four. your guys. Doesn't matter what era, living dead, whatever. I would say Mick Foley, obviously number one. I would say perk angle when he was in TNA. Yeah, TNA, dude, the fucking front, the front flip into the scream, like. On to Abyss and then landing on his feet.

Starting point is 01:13:59 Really inspirational to me. All the time. I got to try perks, dude. Terry Funk. Dude, the Fonker. and then I would say more modern guys see I'm punk hell yeah see this is our common ground

Starting point is 01:14:15 you're great you gotta come on back now wow that's awesome did you watch WrestleMania this year yeah I mean being why like we're always like oh let's have like a cookout have wrestle like you know watch WrestleMania but also too we're like let's actually not have people over because like if Cody lost this year we are gonna fucking

Starting point is 01:14:35 scream like idiots and Wow. Oh, it's bullshit. Yeah. I would say WrestleMania this year, night one, maybe worse WrestleMania of my lifetime. Night two may be best WrestleMania of my lifetime. I mean, I really liked the CM Punk Drew McIntyre stuff.

Starting point is 01:14:53 That was in fucking credible. It was the best part of the show. 100%. Best part of the show. But, uh, I mean, like, I even think at this point, like, I like the Bailey match more than the reocentric. Ripley match this year. Yeah, I didn't, I couldn't get into Ria and Becky.

Starting point is 01:15:11 But I am, I'm a Bailey day one. I, dude, when she won in Brooklyn, Spencer, I, I wet. That, that NXT takeover. It was her and Sasha, right? Yeah. That match. I'm telling you, dude. Niagara Falls, wet, uncontrollably.

Starting point is 01:15:31 Wow. I love her. Anyway. Well, that's good to know. Yeah, that's good. Colin, you and I, you typically will throw on like a pay-per-view. I love, I mean, there's one of my, like, comfort things I'll do, and I've been doing it lately while I've been playing Fortnite,

Starting point is 01:15:48 is I'll have, like, like, WCW Starcade 98 on over here or something, you know? But I'm saying, like, I watch AEW weekly, but I'll throw on, like, whatever pay-per-view WVE has, I'm going to watch. Oh, you know, week to week, like month-a-month. I think I find raw Thoroughly unwatchable Thoroughly unwatchable It's brutal dude

Starting point is 01:16:14 Especially when the bells The bell rings Smackdown Probably the better show Uh huh Spencer would you would you agree Yes and like my wife and I don't have cable So we'll like watch the YouTube highlights

Starting point is 01:16:31 From the night before of like Raw or Smackdown or whatever And then we'll watch all the paper views Yes, okay. That's the way to do it. That's the way to do it. Raw on Netflix, I think, might change that. It truly might.

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Starting point is 01:20:28 They're four favorite hardcore albums of all time. Okay. Could you give us your picks? Okay, I knew this was coming, so I grabbed a stack. Oh, perfect. He came prepared. I would say, and it's like, I don't like traditional hardcore. It's okay.

Starting point is 01:20:48 For probably the music. The only one I don't have like a physical copy of is Glacial Rain by Mind Eraser. I would say one of my top ever. Awesome. Amazing record. I would say La Varenka by Span. as. Excellent.

Starting point is 01:21:06 Incredible. Okay. The crusties are giving you a standing ovation right now. Yes. Erica Perez is giving you a standing ovation right now. No heroes by Converge. Oh, my God. Number one.

Starting point is 01:21:21 Best Converge record. Wow. I would say detestation by Gizum. Wow. And then. You're awesome. And then primitive by the endless blockade. Wow.

Starting point is 01:21:35 I'm unfamiliar. These are four dark horse picks. Yeah. I mean, from Pizza Hut Express to WWE. This guy's hazardous to the status quo. Wow, I love it. Great answers. Incredible work.

Starting point is 01:21:54 Thank you. Who do you do, Spencer? Yeah. What is that? Who do you do? when you're playing live who are the musicians that you are

Starting point is 01:22:08 subconsciously or consciously pulling from when you're physically performing? I definitely am like definitely Sonic Youth like from like I mean playing jazz masters and just making

Starting point is 01:22:25 noise on guitar I would definitely say Troy from Bored Angel Oh, man, that's a good one. Probably the guitar player discordance access. Dude, great, man. Yeah. Again, I'm a hard fucking band.

Starting point is 01:22:46 Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, like, wow. It's like a, it's, and then I mean, even to, like, someone like Jay Maskis. I mean, that's a god. He is the tone guy. Yeah. I love his attitude about stuff.

Starting point is 01:23:03 And I love that, like, they'll just cover Boston bands. Like, they'll play a last right song. Yeah. They cover chunks. That's fucking dope. Yeah, they're sick. He's sick. His guitar tech is a guy named Graham.

Starting point is 01:23:18 I don't know if he's still his tech who played in Annihilation Time and is in the band, Letcherist Gaze. And that's the most underrated, I would say, American guitar player, I would say, is Graham. I mean, I had no idea that, like, that's sick. I mean, like, you know that jazz, like that blues guy, Joe Bonamasa. Oh, yeah. His guitar tech was in carcass for like after heart work came out. See?

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Starting point is 01:24:08 Are you really full of hell or is it like three quarters full? You don't have to answer that. What's the strangest thing you've encountered in the woods? Oh, just for any future references, these are the kinds of questions I want. This is what I like. That's a beautiful question. I mean, one time, like, I don't know, encountered in the woods. I know the only time that we're able to go to the suicide forest was at 2 in the morning.

Starting point is 01:24:38 And we went there and it started to flood. So we're like, all right, we better turn around. Dude. So. No, no sightings, thankfully. No sightings or anything like that. But at 2 a.m., how would you know? Yeah, true. I mean, it was kind of weird.

Starting point is 01:24:56 Could have been blood. Yeah. Flood? I don't think I could go to that, that forest. I don't think I could. I could go. I watched a documentary on, like, voluntary euthanization, like how they're doing in, like, Holland or whatever, somewhere just passed it.

Starting point is 01:25:12 And it was on HBO and, like, you watch a woman just get an injection and pass away willingly. And it's like her thing. And it was so intense that, like, I had to turn it off. I mean, I'm glad that people are able to do that, you know, whatever. I'm fine with it. but it was like so intense for me. Yeah. I couldn't.

Starting point is 01:25:31 I like, I don't, it's like a situation where it's like, yeah, it's cool to go to that and like, oh, you know, getting creeped out is cool.

Starting point is 01:25:38 But it's like, if we actually ran into a dead body, like, I mean, I think that's like a life changing thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's no good.

Starting point is 01:25:46 That's a bad omen. It's bad vibes. Dude, my mom and I used to live in this apartment complex outside of Chicago and we were on the end of an L street. And you had to turn at the L.

Starting point is 01:25:56 to get to our complex. At the L was the beginning of this forest preserve. We were driving back from Thanksgiving dinner at my aunts one time. And I heard my mom, I was kind of sleepy. She gasped and grabbed my head and kind of like put it into her shoulder. And I was like, what? I was in grade school. And she was, don't worry about it.

Starting point is 01:26:15 Don't worry about it. Well, she knew your pussy ass after watching Blair Witch, how you would react to seeing that. Respectfully. All right. Respectfully. I was heated until you. disarmed. Respectfully. But anyway, it was a guy who had hung himself at the L. So he was literally

Starting point is 01:26:34 swaying in the trees. And my mom like shielded me. And this was pre-Blerwitch, by the way. And she, yeah. And she, she had no idea. She didn't let me like look out like because you could see it from our apartment. It was right there. She didn't let me like she closed the blinds and everything. And she told me much later. And that that whole vibe, you don't want to be Logan Paul walking around there. No, no, no. I wouldn't film it or anything. No, fuck, no.

Starting point is 01:27:00 I mean, from living in a resort town, like, you see people hit by cars all the time crossing the highway. Jesus. Before the second full of hell tour, there was like, we were like, oh, let's go to Royal Farms, like, after practice. And there was, like, a bunch of ambulances,

Starting point is 01:27:16 like, on the highway in front of it. And we were like, oh, let's go walk up. And it was like, a guy had gotten hit on a motorcycle. And we were like, They were like, hey, should we get the neck brace? And the other EMT was like, don't worry about it. And they like picked him up and we saw his brain start falling out of his head.

Starting point is 01:27:35 Yeah. So I had one of those one block, like my block right here about a year ago where the accident was like here. The light is over here. Yeah. And his body was way past the light. Oh, Jesus. So it was like boom. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 01:27:53 Just flew. And one of the grossest things I've ever seen. And like, you know, that's somebody's son, brother, mother, whatever. It's just like the worst, dude. Terrible. What's your favorite song to play live? Um, I guess, crawling back to God. They all do it, huh?

Starting point is 01:28:21 Yeah. Serious question. What inspired you guys to do an album with 9-11? themes, which is when, which is the nothing collab, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's more of a Nikki thing. So that's more of a question for him.

Starting point is 01:28:38 Deflect, deflect, deflect. Yeah, Nikki hit me, dude. But I mean, like, since we're all the same age, I mean, like, it was obviously, like, such a traumatic thing. I, like, skipped school that day. Like, I, like, told my mom, I was like, oh, I'm sick. and then I like turned on the today show as the second plane was hitting oh fuck yeah so that's what you know every channel was that and you know you try to turn on Nickelodeon to even get away from it

Starting point is 01:29:10 and then you see people jumping off the building dude and then Lori Beth Denberg is there being like a second tower has plane has hit yeah yeah she's bringing you vital information saying a second plane has hit yeah then she gets slying I remember our eighth grade English teacher turned it on in the classroom. We watched it in class. It's horrible. Yeah, I thought it was a joke. I thought it was a bit when I heard it in fourth grade.

Starting point is 01:29:43 What would your dream tour package be and why? Four bands. How many bands? Four. Four. Four? Four. Oh.

Starting point is 01:29:56 I mean, besides. Like us, like with us on it. Yeah, with you on it. Let's assume that's what they're. Well, my dream tour would just be us and three other bands as the four, never five bands. Yeah, right. I definitely Godflesh. Fuck yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:16 Amazing. Godflesh. That's a hard one. I mean, yeah, I honestly don't know because you put me on the spot. I don't know that one. Godflesh, Godflesh, immolation. Yeah. The Cavalera brothers.

Starting point is 01:30:33 And the Cavalera. Yeah. Dream tour would just be us in Godflesh. Dude, straight up. Have you ever played with them? Uh, or met. They full hells played with them a couple times. So I'm like tours that I haven't done.

Starting point is 01:30:46 Oh, fuck. Dude, Justin is the man. He's fucking awesome. Yeah. He remixed a couple songs for us when we did an isolation, like re-release. and just killed it. He was just like, yeah, I would love to. He's the man.

Starting point is 01:31:03 That's so cool. There are Godflesh, I think, are a crazy underrated band when it comes to. But the people that know, definitely know. Yeah, definitely. They much like many other bands have created more jobs than Amazon. Dude, wow. Kyle, what's your dream tour? Dude.

Starting point is 01:31:26 My dream tour would be to Never Tour again. Mine's Metallica, direct support, misfits. Oh. With Harmsway. With Harmsway and Cosmic Joke opening. Just some buds. That's good. Favorite use of a sample slash single sound in a full of hell song.

Starting point is 01:31:52 Great question. These are actually hard questions. I mean, my favorite samuel. not necessarily a sample. Yeah, just like a noise you've used where you're like, that's a sick fucking noise. I mean, there's this company from, I think San Diego called TragaTronic. And they're like super distinct scent sounds. And like, I mean, bands like man is like they're associated with like man is the bastard and bastard noise and stuff.

Starting point is 01:32:22 But yeah, that's like you can tell women one of those is being used. And it's like my absolute favorite. It's like they're very hard to use because they are noise devices. They're not really since, but it's like once you get the hang of it, like, yeah. Yeah, it's my favorite. That's awesome. You like square waves, man?

Starting point is 01:32:43 Yeah. I wish I mean, I honestly wish I knew the difference between what that actually meant and whatever. That's all I know is that's the like hard one. Yeah. There's no depth to it. It's just, you know.

Starting point is 01:32:58 That's like another thing going. going back with pedals, it's like, what does this do? And it's like, I don't know. It sounds cool. Yeah. Dude, and I mean, bringing it back to Earthquaker, they have a few pedals that are like, what? Yeah. You do what with that?

Starting point is 01:33:15 Yeah, they even have, like, I've had a couple pedals from them where I'm like, I don't know what I can do with this. Yeah, there's that pink rainbow one. Did you use it regardless? Yeah, I have used a rainbow machine on stuff. The rainbow machine, yeah. The rainbow machine is crazy. Afterneath can be a little nuts. You know, they've got, they've got some that are pretty sick.

Starting point is 01:33:35 Yeah. Interesting. Favorite YouTube video? Oh, dude, they're killing it today. That's a great question. Favorite YouTube video? God. It's been so, it's like, YouTube is such like a cesspool now.

Starting point is 01:33:51 I can't think of like the original era of YouTube. The goats like leprechaun in Alabama? I mean, that's number one. That, the girl when she, like the little girl that's like, go blah, and the dog like pulls her on her face. Classic. That's a good one. That, yeah, I mean. Scarlet takes a tumble.

Starting point is 01:34:12 I'll give you one. See if this jar is anything loose. And these swords are real sturdy. Oh! And then the tip, tip just got me. And then Odell, dude, Odell's literally like, we may need to perform emergency surgery in the studio. I can't I can't remember the name there was like a knife company that used to do demonstrations of their knives Yeah, and they would just like it just be some like chubby guy in a safari uniform like yeah being like how here's this knife on a ballistics dumb and he's just like scream and stabbing it

Starting point is 01:34:45 Excellent I could watch about three four hours of yeah uh okay favorite morbid angel record topical i would like like I mean, I only ever really got into the first two, like first two and formulas. I never got into like domination or anything like that. Really? Yeah. I never, I like, it's like, I think you'd like gateways. Yeah, I'd never listen to Gateways.

Starting point is 01:35:15 I think you'd like it a lot. For some reason, I just went from like, altars blessed and then right into formulas. Yeah. No covenant? Oh yeah, Covenant. I have a physical copy of that one, but I don't listen to that one that much for some reason. I think you should check out Gateways.

Starting point is 01:35:35 I think you'd really like it. Yeah. Top three, and we can just narrow it down to one if you want. Songs or riffs you wish you wrote. Dude, another great question. Oh, my God. It's a good one. I mean, like, I never think of things as riffs.

Starting point is 01:35:53 Like, I'm never like, that's a sick riff. I'm more of like a song guy. Okay. I mean, that's hard too. It's tough. It's like, because I do appreciate a song being built more than just being like, that's a cool riff. 100%. I mean, if it was a riff, I would say like ride the lightning.

Starting point is 01:36:14 I mean, the intro. Yeah, the riff. But like, I mean, my fit, like a record that surprisingly has. inspired, like, me personally as like a guitar player in tone a lot is like Pinkerton from Weezer. Oh, dude, it's like heavy record. Heavy. Yeah. Fuck.

Starting point is 01:36:34 Dude, the tired of sex riff is incredible. That's a breakdown. It's a legit breakdown. That's what I always say to people, it's like, if you actually listen to the guitars, it's like a sludge band. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, I would say like any song off that record, like, I wish I could write a song

Starting point is 01:36:52 is like perfect as one of like a song on that record. And the fact that it sounds the way it does as the follow-up to the blue album is really crazy when you think about... To get more extreme after commercial phenomenon? Yeah, it's like actual commercial suicide. It's pretty sick. Sick-ass band, dude. I've been sane. I would say the Angel of Death breakdown riff, by the way.

Starting point is 01:37:19 Man, dude, when they fucking skank that... Into the da-na-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Oh, man. Unbelievable. Is there, and this is a question for me, Spencer. Is there, what is the wildest thing you've ever ripped off? What you mean? Like, is there a fucking Miles Davis part where you're like,

Starting point is 01:37:42 I'm going to turn that into a full hell riff or song? Tell them your Barry White thing. That's a good example. I mean, like turning a Barry White thing into a God's hate part is something where I, it was like I gotta do that. Is there a part that you were inspired by from a wild genre of music or like a jazz song that inspired a full of hell riff or something or a song? I know you hate riffs. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:38:12 Yeah, that's like hard because like I said, it's like I don't really learn songs or riffs. So I've never been like, I'm going to rip that off. I mean, crawling back to God is like that. I think I forget the name of the Morbid Angel song, but it's like essentially that riff played backwards. Tried and true. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:38:31 And it's like, yeah, most of the time it's like when I'm coming up for riffs. I'm like, like I said, it's either catchy or like so technical that I'm like, oh, this is stupid.

Starting point is 01:38:42 I shouldn't have done this. But then like, that rocks. Yeah. Let's see. It's full of. I'm not excited to play to mostly hardcore kids at Sound of Fury. Yeah, how do you feel about that?

Starting point is 01:38:56 I mean, we started out as a, we consider ourselves a hardcore band. We don't consider ourselves. You 100% are. Yeah. So it's like, I mean, we played, this is hardcore three times, I think. Like, it's like the kids that get it, get it and the kids that don't. It's like maybe they might get something from her set. Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:39:17 That's why we play any fest. Oh, yeah. You know, that's kind of, that's the whole idea. Yeah, whether it's a hardcore fest or not. Our second show ever was us, bad seed, naysayer, and brace war. So there you go. Yep. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:39:35 There you go. That's all the proof you need. I like the thing. There's something Justice said. It was like a tweet or something where he was like, I love hardcore. If you see me on a stage with a banjo or some shit, whether you like it or not, I'm still playing hardcore. And I think that applies to full of hell in your sax.

Starting point is 01:39:51 a phone. Definitely. Yeah. Well, no matter what noise is coming out of it, it's our core. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:39:56 Because it's right here. It's right. Let's see. Dream collab, living or dead. I mean, I would say, yet again,

Starting point is 01:40:05 like Godflesh. Yeah. Okay. We have done, you know, stuff with Justin, like remixes and stuff. And I mean,

Starting point is 01:40:13 maybe he's on this new secret record after this. But, yeah, definitely, like, I would love to actually

Starting point is 01:40:21 go into, the studio with him. I was going to say it seems so within the realm of possibility. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would love to just to see how his noggin works. Yeah, exactly. Do you write with

Starting point is 01:40:35 analog old-ass machines that you've always written with or are you using pro tool? You know, like I want to see how he makes his shit now. I mean, it's just crazy to think it's like he invented two genres of music before he was 20. like that's crazy yeah maybe a third is on the way what would you say the second is if industrial

Starting point is 01:40:59 would be one i mean he started napalm death when he was like 14 of course i literally forget that he was in napalm every single time yeah he's a god fuck yeah a true one of the grades pioneer pioneer a pirate if you will what are some of your experiences and criteria for developing such a unique guitar tone and how has it changed over the course of the band? I mean, going back to that other question, it's like, I mainly heard like Pinkerton and I was like, I want to get a guitar sound like that, but play it as like a metal band, hardcore band, whatever. That's awesome.

Starting point is 01:41:38 It's a great answer. What amp are you using now? Like, what's your main amp? Just orange stuff. It just depends on like what tour we're kind of doing. So it's like maybe I'll use like the TH 100. It's like a more metal amp or like a rock or verb, which is just like tried and true. Yeah, of course.

Starting point is 01:41:57 Both around 80 pounds or something. Yeah. Perfect. Perfect. Do you as I know, do you tour with bands multiple times? Do you have a favorite band to tour with? I mean, we absolutely loved tour with weekend nachos. and it's like we did

Starting point is 01:42:19 I mean we went to Japan the first time with them Oh man That's fun It's special Yeah And then We've toured with the body

Starting point is 01:42:30 I think Five times Something like that Like toward most of the world with them Well do you play the collab songs When you're not playing with the bands you collab with? No I mean like

Starting point is 01:42:45 I feel like it's like you lose the intent and the vibe. It's an experience. It's got to be it. It's an experience. So it's like that is a special aspect of, oh shit, they're throwing with the body.

Starting point is 01:42:56 They're gonna, I'm gonna be able to hear these things that they don't ever play. Which is sick. That's awesome. It's like the Mursbao songs were like a little different because it's like we did write a record

Starting point is 01:43:05 and then added his stuff into it. So we'll play some songs from Mursbaal once in a while. But we would never like to like a primitive, like the primitive man song or something like that. Right. Right. Hey, this is a topical question. Have you heard the Nachos Weezer record?

Starting point is 01:43:21 Yes. It's so good. Yeah, I have not. Dude, they cover, I think they cover tired of sex. Yeah, it's like two songs, right? I forget the other one. Yeah, it's like two songs. It's Andy singing, and he can sing.

Starting point is 01:43:35 And it's played in A standard or whatever they're fucking insane seven string tuning is. And it sounds great. It sounds just like Weiser. Yeah, it does. It sounds just like. Weezer might as well be an A standard. They're that fucking hard. Anyway, I think that about wraps up our time here.

Starting point is 01:43:52 Spencer, this was a blast. Thank you so much for joining us. Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Of course, dude. Are there any words of wisdom you would like to leave with the hard lore world and the full of hell world?

Starting point is 01:44:06 No. Perfect. That's what I thought. Coagulated Bliss is out April 26th. On closed casket activities, you can pre-order it now. you can stream a couple singles right now they all rip there's sacks on there you got ross from emulation on there you got jake ban on there wow yeah fuck i'm telling you 31 records in they wrote the best one you're gonna love it spencer thank you so much for being here we will see you next week yeah

Starting point is 01:44:35 bye bye thanks guys

HardLore - Spencer Hazard (Full of Hell)

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