HardLore - S.S. Neverender: HardLore Recaps the Coheed & Cambria Cruise

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Ahoy mateys, we were fortunate to have set sail on Coheed & Cambrian’s S.S. Neverender last week, their five day music festival cruise featuring our own Twitching Tongues and many more. We talk all about our experience at sea and the many bands we saw and spoke to.Features mini interviews with Foxing, The Callous Daoboys, Kaonashi, Softcult and Twitching Tongues. Thanks to Coheed, Blaze and Sixthman for having us.______________________Edited by Steven Grise (@iamoneonenineseven) • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf (@marzluf)HardLore: A Knotfest SeriesJoin the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepodJoin the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggefCool links:HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.comTry AG1 at DrinkAG1.com/HARDLORE to receive a free flavor sampler kit + a vitamin d drops.Get 15% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com!_____________________FOLLOW HARDLORE:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepodSPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrpAPPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2FOLLOW COLIN:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/FOLLOW BO:INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe#HARDLORE #HARDCORE00:00:00 - Start 00:02:07 - Tokyo to Miami 00:11:27 - The Cruise Begins... 00:20:45 - Casino in the Sea 00:27:16 - First Twitching Tongues Set 00:31:18 - Softcult Interview 00:46:36 - Kaonashi Interview 00:52:58 - Seeing Coheed For the First Time 00:56:29 - Cozumel 01:03:25 - Twitchfits Set 01:09:36 - The Callous Daoboys Interview 01:21:20 - Pardon This Interruption... 01:26:13 - Foxing Interview 01:36:50 - Sean Martin Interview 01:41:38 - Mike Cesario Interview 01:47:29 - Patreon Q&A 01:47:37 - Twitching Tongues Clogged The Toilets 01:54:59 - Epstein Emails 01:58:06 - Seasick? 02:04:07 - How Cool Was Claudio? 02:06:42 - Perceived Sets Vs Reality of the set 02:07:17 - Straight Edge Laws In International Waters 02:09:35 - Would You recommend Going On A cruise? 02:12:29 - Spinkicking On The Cruise?  HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster EnergyEdited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas MarzlufJoin the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes.Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes.FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLEFOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAMFOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This was the second coheed set. So I watched from the same place again during this set and had this beautiful moment where they're playing the suffering, which is the second single from this record. Claudio looks up, locks eyes with me. And like, immediately is like, oh shit, it's the guy I just talked to yesterday. Stop's riffing mid-song to point at me, keeps playing. After that song goes into a story by shouting us out

and being like, I was talking to Hardlore yesterday about, I'm not going to spoil it. And that was just a really surreal moment. Like, this is a band I've been listening to since I was in middle school. Now he's talking about an interview I just did with him on his cruise that I was invited to play. Music is unbelievable. Hello, welcome. It's Hardlore Time. How you doing, Bo?

I'm doing good. I just left a birthday dinner for myself. Happy belated both day. Thank you so much. For anybody in the Chicago Land area, we went to Bivetz. Taylor took me to Bivetz. It's the number one steakhouse in Chicago.

You think they'll get that third star back or what? That's Alinea. Oh, yeah. So they still got one. Yeah. So it was really good. How many Michelin stars in Chicago? It's unbelievable.

We got it, baby. They should rename the Chicago star to the Michelin star. Imagine. Anyway, we're here today to talk about. about the SS Never Ender. It's the Coheed in Cambria cruise, and we were fortunate enough to be on there together this past week. Yep.

Right before that, you were just in Japan. I was. Tell me about that. Yeah, so I talked about it a little bit previously, but for the context of all of this, I think I'll go over it again. Because of the cruise, weirdly, the tour in Japan ended the same day that the cruise started.

on November 7th. So because of that, I was going to have to leave, obviously. The band stayed for five days. They got home the same day we did. Wow. They were in Japan the whole time. They had a good trip. They had a great trip.

So I went a couple days early on my own, and I landed on Halloween at 8 p.m. I got to my hotel around 8 p.m. Dude, it was like raining. I'm carrying all of, I have a pelican, my duffel bag, and a backpack, and I'm in an arcteric. it's raining. I describe it as the beginning of the Batman. It was literally like Halloween night. Yeah. Tokyo. You know. You're the only guy, June.

It's straight up. And they go really hard for Halloween. Everyone was in costume. Yeah, totally. Everyone was in costume. And I just kind of, I went there without a plan. I, you know, both when I got into the room and freshened up a little bit, I just walked outside and started walking the next day. That's the way to do it. I literally walked outside the next day. and looked left, looked right, and just went one way, and then kind of made it up as I went along. Did you a couple wrecks? Did you do any of those?

I did Taupon, baby. Yeah. Great song. The guy was like my cook guy, like the old guy, who was definitely in charge. They were super nice and really cool. I went to, God, I went all over. I went to Fred Perry.

I saw the Stone Island flagship. It was the largest Stone Island flagship. store in the world and Isaac was all over that, motherfucker. How cool is that? It's really crazy. But I went all over, man, and as you know, it's the best place in the world. It is white Wakanda.

It is true what they say. Can't wait to go back. I was eating like an asshole and spending like an asshole and the whole time, I think I spent like 800 bucks. You know what I mean? Like you there's no, you'll look around and you'll be like, well, I'm going to get that. I'm going to get that. I'm going to get that.

And then you look at your checking account later and it's the place in the world where you'd be like, how was that less than I thought it was going to be? Yeah. Every morning, you know, you go to a family mart or a 7-Eleven or whatever, and, you know, I would get a rice roll. I'd get a hot coffee, a vitamin C drink, a cool drink, and then like a sweet. And it'd be like six American dollars. Did you get Rainbow Boss? Of course.

What did you think? I like rainbow. I like gold. Gold is incredible. Gold is incredible. But dude, on a cold day, getting on a street, on the middle of a street, getting a hot rainbow boss on a cold day is like insane.

You can feel it through your glove. And it's like a perfect portion of coffee too. Like it isn't too much. The only fucking bummer is that then you're carrying your trash everywhere. You are carrying your trash. Did you experience that American caffeine really jacked you up when you got back? Yes. I did notice that.

I also noticed, so the last time I was there was 10 years ago, they have Coke plus there. Yeah. Which is like they have Coke zero, but that's kind of whatever. They have Coke plus, which is super carbonated. We found out, because James and I were drinking them constantly, that it's like kind of for old people. Because it's got fiber in it. Ooh. Yeah.

Nice. So it's kind of like a metamuse. It's like a metamusal. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh shit. So that was kind of funny. Isn't it, dude, they don't really fuck with diet soda there at all.

It's crazy. I mean, Diet Coke doesn't exist. I think the only sugar-free thing that exists is, no, they have Red Bull. Yeah. Some monster, which I, you know, hey, I got monster. You know what I mean? Like, I did it. And then, yeah, this Coke Plus.

I had a really funny moment where I had. I was at the Senjo shrine, like the big old shrine in Tokyo, big Buddhist, the oldest Buddhist shrine is what it is. And I was walking around and all of a sudden I heard a bunch of people cheering. And it's like, I'm like looking around. I was like, that's weird. Yeah. And I see a guy and he's holding his phone horizontally like this and he's doing this.

He's going like that. And I walked by knowing that the Dodgers and Blue Jays were in the World Series, Game seven while I was there. I pointed at him and I went, did they win? He turned his phone around and they were celebrating. And I went, yes. And he went, yes. That was it.

That was just like a really nice international, intercultural moment where I was just like, oh, cool. There's two Japanese guys kicking ass in L.A. who just won. And I literally heard people cheering out in public because they won. Dude, Otani is literally like, I don't even know. who to compare it. Jesus, I would say. He's Japanese Jesus. He's all over like Family Mart advertisements

and stuff. He's everywhere. So game seven was during the Twitchfitts show. That's right. Two years in a row, a Dodgers World Series game is during the Twitchfitz show. Two years in a row they win. Two years in a row

they win the World Series. Wow. This year was game seven and it ended like 30 minutes before we played. It was unreal, dude. So the vibe is high. The vibe was off the charts. It's crazy to think, because then shortly

about 30 minutes after that, I went and ate at a place that had beef tongue and wagyu in one sitting. So I was eating that while you guys were playing, for sure. 100%. I felt it. It's just funny. Funny to think that, you know. It's beautiful. You felt it? That's good. Yeah, I felt the beef tongue. Up my

ass. So, then you flew straight to my arm. Well, first, then the band came. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How was that? We played Zuma Book to Fest in Tokyo, and it was fucking awesome. Beautiful. It was awesome. Cruelty played right before us.

They had a great set seeing Sainan was awesome. There's a ton of band. A Pong played. Yeah, Sana's doing her thing. Zoom is the man. We played, and it was one of our best international shows, period. Hell yeah. It was legitimately awesome.

You never know. A guy jumped on stage during Scramble because there was like a demanded encore, which always feels good. Got on stage during my part and sang it. And then he was like, and then we sang it. We did the double, you know,

fun. Then we played Nagoya, much smaller, much more intimate. Still really cool. Went to Mount Fuji that day, all that good stuff. And then last day was Osaka.

And it's, I haven't been to Osaka in 11 years, I think. Hasn't changed. Nine years, yeah. Hasn't changed. Okay. I can't wait. I'm excited to go next time.

It's the best place on Earth. And so then began my travel day. And that was a flight from Osaka to Tokyo, like a 13-hour layover. So I got a capsule hotel. Yeah. Got a shower. Nice. Napped for four hours in this capsule hotel.

It's fucking awesome. Got on the flight. Flight was easy. I watched like saving Private Ryan and was into a war mode. Big, big war. I see why. You're like, why, why doesn't everybody love Japan?

You know? So I flew, this is the only crazy thing is I flew from Tokyo to Houston and then to Miami to meet up with you guys. All during the government shut down TSA thing. TSA. is like, so I'm texting Colin and your brother being like, so there's a chance we like don't make this cruise. 100%.

We were, I was, I would say I was 40% sure we weren't making it. Yeah. And apparently Houston Airport was like one of the ones that was having a big, and that's where I had a layover. But I made it through. Everything was fine. I'm really good at airports now. I'm like, I got it, you know. We have to.

The only other thing of note is because. of the time change. I had 37 hours on November 7th. You're literally Hulk Hogan. Literally Hulk Hogan. He wrestles 366 days a year. And that's how. You had a 37 hour day.

It's unbelievable. I proved him right. Miracles happen. It does work for you, brother. And then got into Miami, got into the hotel, ordered a fucking dominoes. it slapped, went to bed at like 10 p.m. and woke up at 7. Yeah.

Doesn't even make, I had no jet lag. I had no jet lag. It's unbelievable. That is truly a miracle. We landed at the same time, November 7th, Taylor Young's birthday. Your birthday was right when we got home. His was right when we left. We got Cubano's from a place called sandwich in Miami.

That was very good. So I heard it was on the Michelin guy. such as Littlefish, which I figured, you know, these Michelin guys must know something if they like Little Fish. So went to sandwich, very good, went to bed, got ready, horrified before the first day of this cruise. Yeah, yeah. Because I don't know what to expect here. It was such a, such a mystery.

Mystery is a great way to put it. Blaze, who manages Coheed, military gun, high-vis, got us on. there. He's the best. Thank you, Blaze, for that. It was awesome. Here we are, dude, day one. Dude, treated so well. Yeah. From the rip. Yeah, from the bus ride over. First guy we see in the morning is Anthony Green in the lobby. That's right. And that would remain a constant for the next five days or so. Anthony Green was our, was like our safe, safe place on the cruise. For all of twitching tongues, really, every time we saw him, it was just like, There he is. Yeah.

And you got to go through Gen Pop to really get anywhere. Oh, yeah. Like, you and I, we're nobody. We're nobody. Yeah, I never, yeah. They don't know who we are. They don't know what my band is. Anthony Green ain't nobody on there.

So he's, you know, he's getting stopped every time, but he's just so sweet and courteous every time. As soon as we, what happens when we get on? We got to, we're waiting all day for this damn casino to open. Oh, yeah. We checked out the casino. know, we checked out the artist lounge. There's guitars in a piano, and I'm immediately like,

first person to pick that up is the biggest asshole in the room. And by the end of the cruise, I was playing him every time. Oh, every time, dude. I was on there like, boom, bam, bum, boom, boom, boom. First band on the cruise was Code 7. Very kind people. Listeners of the show, apparently very cool, sick band. They played one set that was more like space rocky type shit,

and that was awesome. And then there was L.S. Dunes, which was... With the full band. Full band. They don't like the word supergroup, but it is what it is. It is what it is. Members of Thursday, Circus Survive, Cohede, My Chemical Romance. We were trying to get the homie, Frank, from My Chemical Romance.

It was like one of the goals of the week was get this guy on the show. Yeah. And he left immediately. So I don't think he did not stay on the crew. He's family man, you know. He's got shit to do. He's got shit to do. He's got, he just did the biggest U.S. tour of all time and now he's got to go to the biggest South American tour of all time.

What are you going to do, you know? Yeah. But this was crazy. This was really the first thing I saw on the cruise was like hours after 4,000 people board this thing. They're all packed onto the pool deck to watch to watch this set. It was very, very cool. Crazy, man. And then, and then now we start.

wandering. We start doing the like, okay, what is this thing happened? What do we got? Yeah. What do we got? A beautiful gym. I think I think we left the port at 7.30, right? It was in the evening. So the casino was open. The casino was certainly open. I had just gotten done with Japan. And although it was very cheap, money, you know, I treated it like a vacation. So I had a, thank God, there was a 24-hour free buffet on this. Dude, everything can be free on this. It's awesome. It's awesome. The casino was not free. It was not. The doors opened at 7 p.m.

By 7.45, I was down $1,500. We'll talk later. For the listener, I did not know it was that much. 745, it was like my whole budget for the trip was gone. Yeah. From like three games. It was bullshit. But I'll walk you.

There's more to come for that saga. Yeah, there is. I remember. We'll get there. Alec befriends Normies is killing it at the crap table. Oh, yeah. Often by himself, I think he more so befriended the craps guys. Yeah, yeah, right.

But we would just, we would hear like shouting and we would look over and he'd be like high-fiving strangers. It's awesome. He owned the craft table. I'm sure he left down like $50, you know. And had a great time. Which for that much time, it ain't about winning. It's about the memories you made. Pool kids played later, like an hour later, this.

I didn't know what they were. No, same. Same. I didn't know it was like indie with gratuitous shredding, dude. Shredded my ass off. The homie Andy on guitar. Ripping. Here's a quick video I took.

Insane. Wow. Unbelievable stuff. Who else we got today? Well, one thing I want to point out is these first two days, no chop. Smoothest sailing. Oh, my God. And I was really nervous about getting seasick.

I get really motion sick really easily. And people were saying the whole time, like, it's a huge ship. You're not going to feel it. It's bigger than the ferries, which is true. It's bigger than any ship I've ever been on. So I was like, oh, I guess we're fine. Dude, two straight days, I was like, motion sickness is a myth. And anybody that's ever complained.

is the biggest pussy to ever live. But we would... Day three, I was doubled over in agony, screaming on the floor. I was, I had remedies you never even heard of. I was trying everything under the sun. I was on Etsy's skin looking for witches to figure shit out. You had the bands.

I had the patches. I had shit behind my ears. I had shit behind my eyes. You wouldn't believe it. It's real. The sea does not forgive. It was angry. And it does not forget.

But first two days, it's so beautiful. So beautiful. Yeah. And then a kind of you guys, you didn't open up that stage. Did you? No, no, because I saw pool kids there the night before. But the first night in my mind, I'm like, all right, I'm not playing. I shouldn't have.

So if I eat ice cream within like a one to two day window of singing, my voice disappears. And that's twitching singing. That is just for twitching tones. And I keep, for some reason, I keep putting that to the test, you know? You really do. I just keep thinking like, maybe this time will be different. And I'm on a cruise with an unlimited soft serve machine. Soft serve all night.

All night, all day. All day. And I'm thinking, listen, I don't have to sing tonight. Right. I got to sing tomorrow. So if I have. Early. You know, a country.

or two, I should be fine. I went with two. I was not fine. Anything else we saw tonight. Let's see who's a... Joey Eppard caught him for a bit. That's Josh from Cohed's brother doing like acoustic type shit.

That was crazy. Oh. Yeah. I know exactly who that was. The homie. He was shredding. Shredding on an acoustic and singing at the same time. By himself.

By himself. Braver than the seals. for sure. Because we're at C. I got it. Really good. I think I went to bed early this night. The first night, yeah, you were out. I was out because I did have

like that kind of, I had the good jet lag. Yeah. Tired at 10 p.m. That's exactly what you want. Now, what did you do? I went to bed this night early, but I saw a caught some foxing. Uh-huh. Also, if you're watching this right now, we have little many interviews with

several people on here. Mm-hmm. So we're going to sprinkle them in throughout this episode. We'll let you know when they're coming. And then Puddles Pity Party played this night. Dude. The homie Puddles. Here's a picture of me in Puddles.

Big fucker. Okay, he's like legit, maybe 610, 7 foot. Yeah. For real. Yeah. And I saw him. He played Riot Fest on Weird Al stage, shocking. But I saw him there, and apparently he was really nice.

So I didn't talk to him at Rye Fest. Saw him later on in this cruise and just introduced myself and asked for a picture. Taylor likes him, you know. And he was like, Bo, absolutely great to meet you. Thank you so much. This is Kat, his manager, wife, I'm assuming. And I'm Mike, like really good to meet you. Mike?

Mike the clown. Unbelievable. Dude, he needs to knock it off with the opera and play for the Miami Heat when it gets back to the shores, dude. He's tall as fuck. He's very tall. Beautiful voice, though. Beautiful voice can really sing. Didn't you continue your gambling advantage?

venture this evening? I sure did. So I say good night to everybody around midnight. Good night as I'm going to bed. You won't see me again. I'm not gambling anymore. 1245. I was back on the casino floor because the clock hit 12. I could withdraw more money. Everybody everybody that's been listening to the show for a long time knows I have a $500 daily withdrawal limit. That's it. God, what was the service fee on a ATM? 699. It wasn't too bad. Oh, that's not bad at No. Casinos are like 25 bucks. Yeah, yeah, totally.

So international water is pretty dope. Okay. And I, listen, this run I had was like, it was like something divine was intervening. What would you call that? I don't know, God shit, I guess. Yeah, yeah. And within, I had this beautiful half hour where I kept sitting down on machines. And I was like, I'm only playing machines with one cent and arms.

I'm not doing this whole Choose the Denom bullshit Give me I'm doing max bet One cent Dinam Which was usually like five six Eight bucks maybe Okay And I keep

And I hit every bonus And I'm playing dog shit I'm playing games You wouldn't even look at something Off brand But we're in the sea And I'm thinking if these Nobody's been hitting these

So it's gonna hit And God did they I would get one two $300 at a time until I got to money balls. If anybody's familiar with money balls, you know, you all know money balls, right?

Money balls is a game where as you're gambling, you accrue more money balls. You have to pop them to get anything, though. Yeah. You sit down at any money balls machine and it's at five. Five is the lowest it can go. Any more than five,

and it's going to pop pretty soon because they don't go past 10 normally. I got this fucking thing up to 26. 26 money balls. And it ain't popping. So I walk away. And then I'm like, this is crazy that I'm walking away. And at this point now, I'm probably still down $800.

But I'm like, all right, I got 700 back. That's pretty good. It's pretty good. I feel all right. But I'm sick in the head. So I'm walking around. I go to every money balls machine in the casino. And they're all looking.

And I checked the same. bad I was doing and they're all at five. And I'm like, I'm walking away from this at 26. I'm sick. So I sit back down. Two spins later. Hit it. It's over $700.

And I'm back to even. You're back. And I like the regaling of this tale was longer than my entire Japanese trip. It was an epic journey. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? And then you went to. to bed? And then I went to bed. I got up

early and hit the gym. Dude, you were, you were on like superhero time schedule mode on this thing. It was perfect. I was getting up at 6 a.m. Yeah, I just did not have that experience. Well, I wouldn't normally, but it's just because I had such a fucked up clock.

But I went to the gym. It was empty. Then I would go and eat. I had, dude, every single day, I would have a heap of eggs, a little bit of bacon, a little bit of bacon. and then a slice of honeydew, a slice of cantalote, a couple slices of pineapple

and a nice coffee. That's how you start your day. It's stare out at the ocean. And you're like, there's not that many people awake at that time. Dude, there's five people. Although I'll tell you what, dude, there's people drinking already.

Oh, there's people that never stopped drinking. Yeah, whether they're still up or they, whatever, you'd go out and there's people sipping. And it's just like, God, damn. The cafeteria, so like the garden cafe, which was like the buffet. Yeah. Every time you walk in there, there's two ladies singing different variations of washy-washy, because they want you to sanitize your hand.

And I was up all night. I was, days later, days later, I'm still thinking of washy-washy-washy. Washy, yeah. Washy, washing down the street. They should have saying, I want to hold your hand, but wash. I want to wash your hand. I want to wash your hand. And they're like all Filipino.

All Filipino. So they're crushing the vocals. That is actually true, which is hilarious. Anybody who was singing who was part of the staff was amazing. Was better than me. Miles better than me. They should have been on the fucking sports court stage at 1 p.m. instead of me. So I looked it up.

The ship has a capacity of 3,300 patrons. Staff, 1,100. So for every two people on that ship, there's one staff member. It's unbelievable. Dude, they were working. Dude, they were working. They were cleaning. Everywhere all the time.

It was spotless. Everyone was super nice. I really do want to give them some credit for just like, they were fantastic. So they must enjoy the job, I would imagine. But everybody was awesome. Also, the people working the stages were on these makeshift rigs on a boat in the middle of the ocean, in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico were somehow more prepared

for live music than venues that sit there every single day. Every single day. They don't move. They're not on a ship. They don't move. And everybody had their own in-ear rigs. Every stage was like, I don't want yours. Can You Use Mine? And then I would plug it in and it would be perfect and unbelievable. Now, if venues could only get on

the Norwegian Jewels level We'll really be cooking here You know, the saddest thing about this day This first day that we played Is that we missed the belly flop competition We did That was happening like while you guys were setting up And the pool is small

Dude Yeah There's two pools and one was closed Because it was like the dance floor For the outdoor stage, right? So it's small And then there's little hot tubs maybe two bellies in there.

Straight up. And they were flopping. So I wish I could have seen that. Yeah. If you were on the SS Never Ender and you saw the belly flopped competition, please let us know. Let us know how that went. So here's first set was 1.15 p.m. on the sports court, which was a tennis slash basketball court. In a net, like a net cage.

Inside of the sun. Yeah, yeah. Inside of the sun. We were on a mission into the sun. This was humbling, to say the least. Because I woke up after eating the ice cream sounding like this. It was like, here we go. It's over.

Because you guys know how casino air is. You spend a few hours in a casino. You're dry. You sound like this a little bit, you know? Cruise ship is like that everywhere, regardless. Yeah, and not even in like a derogatory way or in a way that's like a problem. No, no. It's just filtered air.

It's filtered air. It's like a plane. Yeah. So I'm warming up, just thinking to myself like I'm ruined. It's over. And this stage is so out of the way. Yeah, it's the back of the ship. It's literally the back of the ship on the 13th floor.

The highest deck. It's a deck. Yeah. And it's 1 p.m. You know? Yeah. People are fucked up. People ain't even up yet or they're still fucked up.

So we're starting our set here. and I'm in mentally we're in I'm in hell. I'm like this is this I'm in hill here. Luckily, Kaunashi, the callous Dowboys, a fella named Joey from our discord were there, front and center the whole time.

The whole time. They saved me. I had the luck, the lucky position. Because like this is like going to a festival. Yeah. When you guys are playing and I'm not, it's kind of the worst thing ever.

Because you don't, I have nothing to. do and I also feel like I'm not really supposed to be able. I bet you during that set you were like I'm really psyched I'm not playing this right now. Dude no I was like I got to watch because Taylor needs a tech so I got to yeah you know what I mean that I kept I was trying to keep my sunglasses on the whole set because it was I was being so blasted by the sun and it just wasn't happening. They weren't they meant to fit that way this was tough it was brutal but I think there was a lot There were a lot, most people out there had never heard us before.

100%. So that was that overall, and you will see is the overarching thing of this cruise, is the coolest thing, is that we're playing to an audience that knows their favorite band has, their favorite bands and their team has handpicked this assortment of music that they think they will enjoy. And that's, that's something else we need to point out about the co-heed. club, you know. They were awesome. Yeah. There's some goofballs. There's some, you know, it's a cruise.

It's what you would expect. It's a cruise and it's a music fandom, but my God, the coheed heads, dude, the children of the fence, as they call themselves. Thank you. And I call myself, honestly. Some of the most welcoming, accepting, supportive people we've ever played to. After that third set, it was like, dude, we're certified. Cohed Famiglia. Yeah, yeah.

It was really cool. Everyone was, I had no, I didn't have one like, ugh thing. No, not at all. It reminded me of, you ever see that short gathering of the Jugglers documentary? Of course. One of my favorite things. Peoria, Illinois. Yes.

And I say this would not, without a shred of derogatory backing. Because I think when you watch that, you go, damn, I would like to experience that. Right. And they all, like, genuinely love it. other and they don't know each other. It gave me, if the if juggalo's are devil on the shoulder, the children of the fence are the angel on the shoulder, you know? Perfect. Pause there. They're like, hey, we really like you. Your art is really good and we support it. Thank you. Soft Colt played this day for the first time. And I found my new

favorite band. This is there, it's like shoegays from Canada. We speak. spent so much time with the four of them throughout this cruise. Unbelievable band. Their debut album comes out in January. We talked to them. Yep. And here it is. We are thrilled and honored today to be joined briefly by my new favorite band on Earth.

We've got Mercedes and Phoenix from SoftCult. So? That was good. Unbelievable. Can you guys tell me about your experience on the cruise that's far? it's been really surreal I'm sure you know what I'm talking about just like so different from regular touring

and now I honestly don't know how I'm just going to exist in the world and like feed myself on land Yeah it doesn't move there No no no I know it's crazy I never thought I'd be like a cruising guy But I'm like I might be in this Do they have cruises in Canada

Apparently they do from Vancouver Vancouver and like Seattle, Vancouver area, and they go out to Alaska. Alaska, yeah. I just learned that. Whalee, if you're watching, please do that in 2027 and get us both back on. They can be the Crowbar Cruise or something heavy. You can only go cold. So you guys have been grinding in bands for 10 plus years now.

Soft Colt is you personified making music together with no label telling you what to do, no creative restrictions. How did this happen? How are you so good? Tell us about starting SoftCol and where you are now. Well, thank you, first of all. You guys are so good, obviously. And genuinely, my favorite thing about the cruise is just meeting the bands and getting to, like,

bond and all that stuff. Yeah, it's awesome. So good. SoftColt, we are a pandemic band. So we started in 2020, like, writing our first album. Phoenix learned how to become a producer and engineer. YouTube baby.

Yeah, I was going to say YouTube University. 10 times graduate. It's crazy what you can learn on YouTube. But it's completely like self-taught everything. So we just record in our home studio. And that's always just kind of been the vibe. We had kind of a crazy label experience when we were younger with a different band.

So when we started soft called, it was like this opportunity to have a clean slate and you know just really dig into the creative side and like get back to what we love about being in a band and what we love about writing music and stuff and then we just got lucky along the way like some some cool indie labels have been interested and stuff and we just try to keep everything really DIY I think that's kind of the secret sauce it's up it 100% is especially after what you guys experienced before yeah for the other stuff Uh, we're on a fucking cruise, it's insane. Yeah, what are some highlights of the cruise for you guys?

Oh man, highlights. I think the first day for me was probably one of my favorites, just because, yeah, like, watching a band play on the pool deck or whatever, and you just look out and it's like, oh my God, we're like in the water, there's nothing around. That was just crazy. I feel like I've never had that experience before, so yeah, yeah, first day was probably my favorite. I'm not even just gassing you up because you're sitting right next to me,

but watching you guys do the Misfits cover set was a formative experience for me. Like it's straight up inspired the hell out of me. And I've, we had this moment where I leaned in, I was watching you perform maybe like Halloween or something like that. And I leaned into Phoenix and I was just like, man, being in a band is the best thing in the world. That's why we're here.

It's amazing. It's truly the best thing in the world. We've all, our whole chat was saying the same thing after watching you guys play. Oh, man. So we feel the same. Our hardcore brothers. We got you. Now the whole whole whole world is watching.

And Bridie was the one who championed you guys. Yeah, straight out. You guys got to watch this band. You got to check this band out. They're so good. So it was already there. The seed had been played to. Now it's a group obsession.

And now we're alive. Let's see. What do we got left? Okay, debut LP, January. Good memory. See, these were all talks. But maybe because you are like the sober one of the group, you remember everything.

I was talking to Chad Kruner last time. I wasn't really talking about it. I didn't remember anything from that. I'm so sorry. Chad Kruner. That wasn't me. I think has forever damaged your soul. My sakey, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, the debut album comes out January 30th. It's called When a Flower Doesn't Grow. It is a concept album and we wrote it. I think it's like literally the story of soft cold in a lot of ways, but also just us as people. Like it's very like the idea is that you can't grow and flourish in an environment that is confining you or oppressing you. And so there's a lot of metaphors in there from like personal growth, but also just culturally and as a society and stuff like that. like you have to find environments where you can flourish and you have the opportunity to flourish.

And if you can't, then you have to change it. Then those environments have to change. Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. It's coming out. It's completely self-produced, self-recorded.

Phoenix did all the artwork for it. Damn. And you helped shoot the videos? I do the videos. She directs them and shoots them. What can't they do? YouTube. This is basically a YouTube commercial.

Yeah. Yeah, straight out. What kind of cameras are running for that? I use a black magic pocket cinema 4K. It was the best one that I could afford, but they look pretty good. They're pretty cinematic, and it's all about the lens, not so much about the bodies. As we all know. What's your DAW of choice?

My DAW, I use Logic ProX, so yeah, pretty good, pretty cool. I've tried other stuff, like I've tried Ableton and stuff before. I love Ableton. Too many shapes. No way. That's for me. Maybe it looks better now back then. It just looks so gross.

I like the grid. I like the logic. The grid is nice. The grid is nice. The old triangles and circles and shit. Yeah, I feel there. But yeah, just logic. And then for like an interface I've got, what is it?

Universal Audio Apollo Twin. And that thing rocks. Yeah, it's sick. It's awesome. Yeah. All the like amp sims and stuff that you can get for that. Yeah. They actually sound amazing.

It's so good. So that's it. You can literally just get all the same stuff right now for that sweet water. You can do it. From our sweetwater. And then you can do all that stuff. It's unbelievable. I have to say, guys, on a cruise full of Prague and heavy stuff and a clown,

that Soholt hit like what I can only imagine crack, it's like. So thank you guys for playing us. Thank you for being so cool. I love you guys. Thank you. Thanks for being our friends. Yeah, of course. It's been great band.

Touching tons. Hell yeah. It is what it is. Softcult. Unbelievable. Check them out right now, please. Bye. Okay, I'm here with the other half of SoftCult. Boys, can you please introduce yourselves?

What up? I'm Phil. I'm the bass player of SoftCol. I'm Brent McSwiggin, and I play guitar in SoftCult. The Unsung Heroes, Tone Masters. I was entranced yesterday at just how good you sounded, how locked in you were. You were letting those licks fly, left and right. Unbelievable. You were shredding like you're on the Swiss Alps. We try our best. I feel like Phil's definitely the most entertaining out of the whole show.

Yeah, you were ripping, dude. Yeah, I feel like I just kind of like lose control of the body. You know what I mean when I get on time sometimes? Maybe it's not you. It's kind of like you ever play that like the QWERTY game where you run? I feel like that's like trying to control my body. I know exactly. What, for a band like this, when you're at home, what amps are you guys using normally?

Honestly, the same one. Okay, good. So what is it? For myself, I've got a little Victory Duchess. It's like a somewhat of a hybrid between like an amp modeler but also just a head. But it has power. Yeah, it's got like a cab sim on the back. You can do up to like six different presets on it.

And I just picked whatever one on that sounding. And it's got scenes in the pream. So it's like, yeah. So it's a, it's an amp. It's an hour and 180 watts to go. Oh, shit. Just like so unnecessary. 180 with two powers, crazy.

What about you, baseman? And I've started using a Dark Glass, BK7, 500 or whatever. I had the pedalboard version, like, just the preempt, and I loved it so much. I was like, I just have to get the full version. Yeah, and it's 500 watts, and it's, like, punishing. Dark Glass is good shit. That's the hardware manufacturer who makes Quad Cortex.

Oh, same guy. Oh, no way. I did not have it. What's your favorite fret? I'm gonna go 11 because... Dude, 11 is... Two in a day. Two in a day.

It's right before you hit the octave, you know what I mean? So I feel like it's a little unsung. So that's the thing my favorite is 6 on the A, which is 11. Six on the A, which is 11. Because that's the highest you can go without then jumping that off. Isn't Black Sabbath open six on A? No, and then B or whatever. And what's that one movie?

They're always talking about going to 11? Spinal stuff. Final time. Yes, final 10. Exactly. What about you? I think for me, if we're talking standard tuning, we are. My favorite would be the sixth fret on the A.

On the A. Yeah. So 11. That's 11. How about that? It's, I'm loving on the 6.11. E5. That's the best.

You always talk about how the ultimate tuning probably is. Half stuff. For sure. Yeah. Oh, it feels great. It feels so good. C-sharp standard is probably my man. Yeah.

You can get away with the same time. It's the artist. And drop C sharp too. That's money. A lot of clean songs I think are in drop C-sharp. Yeah. Drop C-in. That's good.

And Brent has like perfect pitch for real. I've earned it. The kind where it's like you can just- You're really well. Yeah, yeah. And so I feel like he knows what the good key is. You know what I mean? Like, that's all involved.

Yeah. You know how really? You know how like some people can like see colors and yeah. For me, it's almost like I can, I can feel like different emotions. Your music's inesthetic? Different keys.

Basically, yeah. Well, why don't we just test that? Do it. Do it. Let's hear it. Tell me what note this is. That's a seat. Dude, the guy's an animal.

And not even no hesitation. Respect. He'll be like on an airplane and be like, the engine's rumbling like just below Ian. It's killing me. Can I give you one more? Yeah, some call it perfect pitch. Some call it a mental illness.

Take it. No, this is fucking sick. I'm going to get this one wrong. Whoa, that sounds like an A minor. Dude. Softball is the greatest man in the world. He's a real musician. I've never met anybody who could do that.

See? I feel like people can get C. You are literally Ariana Grande. I feel like people could get C. A piano player That's the first one They can get C A minor on a pad

I gave him kind of a tricky one It wasn't like a note Yeah And he'll like re-string his guitar And then just tune it Without like no tune or nothing Just go on stage I can do that

But only because it's the same tuning We've ever done for 15 years But you know what it's supposed to sound like Harcore movie Oh we love hardcore music Could you and you can take your time Tell us a couple of your favorite Harcour records ever

Yeah I mean If I were to put one right at the top this is gonna sound funny but nails abandoned all life it's my favorite fucking record at all time and loki I would probably say you'll never be one of us yeah oh yeah there I love abandoned all life that's that's my big yeah I heard you warming up with uh is that soon Q-a-J yeah go to drift yeah I feel like yeah such like an influential record on like when I first started playing in like some hardcore bands back in the day like that was on top have heart

back track um come back kid anything bar yeah come back kid i mean they're canadian they are can't they're bettoman yeah yeah yeah man you're mozah because beethoven couldn't sorry what was that no no no no Mozart was good you were living there right you got me he always gets me well yeah man I feel like there's just like such like a cool aspect to hardcore that maybe like not a lot of other genres have. It's the only one like it. The sense of community of like I just met y'all like a couple of days ago and it feels like you know each other.

Yeah. If the umbrella just is like DIY punk rock, it all falls under that. You know what I mean? Everything we do falls under that. There's nothing else like that in the world. No. No. And so few genres I feel like are like so scary from the other.

outside and so like just gentle and welcoming from the inside like truly hard course it is the best it's all cult's the best thank you guys so much for joining us dude thank you thank you we do one more being on he's two for two yeah

just do it until failure absolutely blow me my mind one more okay hold on let me pick let me take one all right all right let me get into my zone get to your zone right right right it's

gonna be a pad again. E minor. E fucking minor. The man's literally gone. He's a chimp, dude. He's got, this is my favorite thing. Yeah. Wow.

Absolutely. So if you guys want to like jam or something, you guys pick a kid. You're cracked. He's cracked. It's not even fair. They're gonna be the biggest fan of the world. Thank you all for watching. The guitar player who doesn't sing has perfect pitch.

He does, I mean, he sings that. Backup. Not the, yeah. Three out of three times he picked the fucking. That's unbelievable to me. It is. What a skill. So look out for that record coming out soon.

Very excited about that. Also, this day on the sports court, right after us. I had to stay in rep for Kaanashi after what they did for me. And here's some words from people. Did you give yourself a nice intro? Tell us who you are and what you do. Hi, my name's Peter Rono. I sing a band called Kaanashi.

We're from Philadelphia, and we're on SS Never Ender right now. That's right. We're back on the SSNet. Oh, this is a return? Yeah, we played 2023, and we got that email to play 2025, so we bet. What do, and was there even a deliberation or were you guys just like, yeah, we're going? It's like, yes, we're free. And then we looked at the schedule.

We're like, thank God we're free. Between cruises, tell me about people who saw you at the first one and came to see you again. It's like we play a lot of random places and like a lot of just heavy shows and like basements and stuff like that. But the Kohi people come to those and they're just like what is going on? Oh cool. I saw you at the cruise and then they like just go to the craziest shows or like Wrens Den or something like that in Albuquerque. So shout out gun game. But it's been awesome just seeing the coheed people don't care about anything.

They just want a good show. So when they see someone like us or like Twitch and Thomas, they're just like, what happened? You know what I mean? They're just mind-blown. They're a music fan. They come here to see their favorite band and then to see something new.

Which they know was curated by their favorite band, which is sick. That's a cool thing. It really is. Like, we always showed our obsession with Cody Gabriel and the band from like day one. You remember when we played together in 2018? I do.

You remember what I said to you? Wait, no, what did you said? You got sound like Kohid. Oh, you did? Yeah, I said, I hear Kohyad parts in there. You told me that. Yeah. Oh, that's pretty sure.

And you were like, oh, my God. We do. We love COVID. And we just have been like, that's my favorite band. That's Pail's favorite band. Alex's favorite band of all the time. I'm just glad that we're able to be part of the community. Yeah, it's awesome.

Did you tell me some cruise highlights this time around? I won $23 in the casino. 23. That's a high. They'll never forget. Shut out, Jackie from Cowell Down Boys. Jackie showed me how the machine worked. You just put the five in and you just press it.

Put the button. Yeah. And then it lined up. Sometimes money comes out. You win every time. Sometimes it doesn't come out. So I won big and then I took the voucher over and then I was like, well, let me try again. Maybe I win more.

But then I lost $10. So I got some wings from the buffet and I went to sleep. That were free. Because the buffet is free. And the buffet's been pretty good. Was it better the last time or this time? It was better last time. Oh, really?

I think that was like me just being so dropped and that I'm on this boat. Like last year, the last cruise, after playing my set, I just walked over to the artist lounge and I got a New York strip steak and some roasted red pepper something. I just sat and ate it and looked out at the ocean. I was like, dude, what am I doing? What is my life? You know? On your favorite band's cruise?

My favorite band. That's beautiful. Oh, that's another highlight. I was, I think I was seen out. And 4.30 in the morning, I'm just sitting there, and I was here from behind me, hey, Peter. I was like, who was that? It was fucking Claudio.

Wow. And he damped me up and just kept walking. He's down with Count Ash like that? He's down with Count Nassia. He's down with Kahn. First name bassist. Brown. I couldn't believe.

Shout out Coie to Cambria. And he got some shorts and a hat. Did it? Kalashi merged. That's what's up. That was another highlight. To be honest, like, everything, all of it has just been crazy. Yeah, perfect.

You played great sets, multiple, many great sets. Thank you. Thank you. We were at the buffet and I, like, set a set and set. Like, I had to stop a thing about what I just said. I was like, oh, I'm going to meet you out at the steakhouse. I'm going to do a part with the Fall Troy. Then I was like, what am I even talking about?

Because I sang with them. Like, I sang on stage with them. I'm like, I'll go East Steaks with y'all after I sing with the fall. Pretty cool. So it's been a... For his back, dude, it's back up. It's back and better than that.

Unbelievable. It's been amazing. Could you do something crazy for me? Yes. Could you tell me and you can take as much time as you need? Your top four hardcore records of all time? You know, I listen to Hardcore all the time. You were ready?

Washing dishes. And now I'm like... Yep, that's what happens, huh? I don't know. I'll edit it. I'm saying, when the smoke clears? That's our foundation. Great answer.

That shit. Oh, walking disease, my trash talk. Okay. Yeah. That, like, changed my life. Okay. Ronner Park, my ceremony. And then the fourth one.

Listen to it all the time. Yeah. Street prowl. Right, right. There you go. Because, like, that's when I found all that shit. Yeah, that's one. Condensed time.

And I just- Staples of that time. Found Trash Talk of Ceremony first, and then I was just like, well, I guess California has all the best being So I just kept listening to everything from there. There you go. But Foundation was like...

Number one. I don't know. What was about that album? I saw him play at the church with a comeback head and rock bottom opening. I saw that tour. I was like, dude, this is the gracious show. Oh, good. Yeah, rough tour.

Good, good, good, good. It was a rough one. That's what I said. It said great tour. Those are the four. Foundation, Rodding, you know, Trash Talk, Sarano. Good answers. Oh, hold on.

Hit me. I don't know how this wasn't the first one. Secrets of the World. Oh, yeah. Masterpiece. Yeah, that was amazing. Madone. All right, Peter, thank you so much for joining us.

I hope you had fun on the crews. It was nice getting to hang out with you for a few days. Unbelievable. What a guy. Comedic legend. Brilliant. Love him. The most insane voice you've ever heard in your whole life.

I believe I went to bed again. Like, or we all napped, didn't we? This was kind of... Yeah, no, this was nap day for sure. Everybody was... We watched Coheed tonight together. That's right. So we took a nap.

Yeah. And then we all got dinner. Yeah. Right? And then it was... I saw Coheed for the first time. And then Bo saw Coheed with me. Bowhead.

We watched from the Muppets box. Yeah, we were... We were... Yeah, well, that was us heckling positively through that set. And this is technically like the first real night of the cruise at sea. Beautiful experience. They played all of Good Apollo on Burning Star 4, which is their third album. Played the whole thing front to back.

Unbelievable. Which for the uninitiative, that's like the record. It's the major label debut and the real breakout record. It sounds insane. It's everybody knows Welcome Home from Fortnite and Guitar Hero. I knew that one. And here it is. What did you think of the set?

The musicianship is crazy. Crazy, dude. We'll get into Claudio in a little bit. Yeah. What I really took away was watching the crowd. Because it's a theater. It's a seated theater with a really small standing room pit. No one's moshing or anything.

Nobody's not that kind of thing. Everybody knows every word. Everybody knows every word and is like on key. Yeah. And I'm just watching. What, uh, uh, was on every time. Every time. And I'm watching it.

I'm just like, damn. Like, yeah, they got fucking fans. Like, beyond fans. Like, 20% of the room is weeping. You know? I really, I dug it. I told you by the end of this, like, okay, I think I need it to give Coheta fair shake. Still feeling that way.

Deep dive. Yeah, they were really good And watching, dude, it's so funny that like He starts the set singing a song that's almost a cappella It's him and an acoustic And then the other guys are doing backups And then he switches to a double-headed SG And then by the end of the song is

Solowing behind his neck on the SG Solowing on a double neck behind your head. Behind that head, that big old hair. He got a head, yeah. And it's funny, too, because I remember when they started, his hair was wet, so it was very flat. And I was like, oh, okay, and then

10 seconds, he was in. He was Kenny Omegan, you know? Yeah. He was working wet, brother. Unbelievable. And that was awesome. Then I believe I went to bed. You were out. I watched Thursday on the pool deck. That's right. Oh, I watched a little bit. I watched three

songs. Yeah, I'd never seen him before. Same. This is when there's this video of Alex singing along is one of the funniest things I've. Kyla took this video. It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life. Because it's so synced perfectly and Jeff sounds so much like Alec. Uh-huh. That it's straight up ventriloquism.

Here it is. It's very heartfelt. It's insane. Very heartfelt. Uh-huh. Perfect. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. Pretty cool. Monday was Mexico Day. Oh, so we changed. It was supposed to be sale, sale, Mexico, sail, sale.

We changed the order of things because of bad weather. So the Mexico Day happened earlier. So I knew that Cozumel, the island of Cozumel, is actually the first location that Grealva on the second expedition to the New World and then eventually Cortez on the third expedition, which took over the continent, landed in Cozumel first. So there's a history thing going on there.

I was like, well, you got to go. I got to go. We're going to talk to Claudio at like 3.30, 4 o'clock or something. So that day, that's breaking news right there. That day we talked to Claudia. We did. We did two plus hours with Claudia. And I'm freaking out about that.

So I'm like you go, I got to, I got to lock the fuck in. Yeah. And write notes for two or three hours, you know. So I, I walked, I walked, you know, into the little area. It's a total tourist trap kind of thing. Walk towards some lighthouse that I thought looked interesting. And it was fine. And then as I'm walking back, I'm literally thinking to myself like, okay, a cab ride to the Mayan ruins.

San Grie San Dravacio is a $50 each way. So $100 round trip. And that sucks. And I'm sure I could barter and try and, you know, but I don't really want to do that. And then there were the guys handing out these scooter things.

Maybe I can get a scooter. I don't really know how to do that. Like, you know, are they going to scammy, whatever? As I'm thinking this, Alex zooms by me on a scooter. Yeah. And just goes, bow! And pulls over. And I'm like, where did you get?

this, how much was it? And he was like, oh, this guy, he told me how much it was. For the whole day, it was 50 bucks plus gas. So I went to where, exactly where he went, and I talked to him, I said, I only needed it for four hours. How's 30 bucks? And he said, yeah, all right. So I talked him down.

The moment he handed me the keys, the moment they were in my hand, downpour. Yeah. Like, a island, tropical island, fucking Newman leaving Jurassic Park, crazy downpour. and then I'm like, all right, so I run into a 7-Eleven real quick

before I take off and I grab a poncho. Dude, a poncho in Mexico? But a rain poncho. I know, but still. Still. I put my arm through it. My elbow rips the whole thing. The whole back is ripped open.

Perfect. So I get on it. It stopped raining. It was fine. And then I just start zooming and I put in my, oh, dude, I did the, you know, throttles on the right, break is on the left. I did the thing where I sat down. and the brake on the left is the front wheel.

So I did the throttle and I'm immediately doing the like, oh, almost crashed into a car in front of the rental guy, like right off the rip. And I literally used that embarrassment for the rest of my day to not do that again. And then I...

It's good fuel. And then I did like, it was a half hour each way. I did a half hour ride. My first time ever on like a VESPA, it was a Honda, but straight through the... The ruckus.

It was not I don't know what it was But I was just Zooming through the jungle With my headphones on It was fucking awesome Beautiful I got to the ruins

Took some pictures It was a little It wasn't that crazy or anything But it was cool I'm glad I did it Did the same thing back Got back the guy was so mad He was checking every inch

He was so disappointed That there wasn't something To scan me for Yeah Because I was careful I mean The area is clearly A tourist track

But like, big tourist. One or two blocks in and it's and it's fucking sick and beautiful. Yeah. I walked around with Stephen for a bit. Yeah. Which was awesome because he's insane. He was, dude, he was wearing crocs. So he was slipping and sliding everywhere.

I would get, I would beat 10 steps ahead of him. And I just hear like, oh. And I looked back. And he was like, oh. And the whole time he was like, as soon as we get back, man, I'm getting rid of these crock. We ate at a taco place. I pet a cat.

It was beautiful. Nice. And then as we're walking back to the ship, we run into Blaze, Zach from Cohede, and Matt Pinfield. And I'm wearing it into another shirt. And Matt Pinfield,

the MTV guy is like, I like that into another shirt, man. So my mind is made on Matt Pinfield, Matt. Yeah. He rocks. He knows ball. He's good. He's all right.

Matt Pinfield. certified. That's all it takes. So I get back, have to change out of my rained, soaked stuff, shower, we eat real quick, and then we go up to Claudio's suite. I had this

beautiful conversation. Obviously, we can't talk about it too much because we want you guys to watch it next week. But I came away, this is when, after the interview, I came away and I said to Colin, I think I got to check out Koheed some more. Because my appreciation

for his love and creativity. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. You'll all see it's incredible. But now, what do he say about your shirt? I think he,

so the first thing that was he, that was the first thing he referenced as well. He was like, oh, wow, into another shirt. And I was like, damn, that's, that's what was one of my questions. And he made it, I think they get compared to into another.

I could see it. I could see it a little bit. And I don't know that he thinks that they sound the same. I couldn't get a read on if he likes them, but he's aware. So that was cool. Pretty cool. I've wanted to know that since the day I heard either band, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, truly, truly unbelievable conversation. That was one of two episodes, two full episodes we got while we were there. L.S. Dunes played again. This is their second set. Okay. Speaking of Ellis Dunes, that's our, that is our. beautiful second episode that we got.

Yeah. We had another two plus hours with Anthony Green, first time. Yep. Unreal. Cothartic, deep, heavy. We talk about everything. So honest and good. So good.

Just best guy ever. Yeah, I really enjoyed that. So real. So talented. And my God. So next week. Claudio, week after that, Anthony. Surprise, motherfuckers.

Okay, and then this was Twitchfitt's night. Now, listen, as an outsider, right? I watched you win over a cruise ship. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And witness the beauty that is Glenn Danzig's misfits plus. Witness how uniformed.

this band is. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I watched people in every direction singing along and knowing the words. It's insane. All walks the life, all different types of people. And so this was not announced. It was teased heavily throughout the day by the crews.

They kept saying, twitching tongues will be doing a special set at midnight. Yeah. So this is the same day we're talking to Claudia for two hours. You're in Mexico, driving around in a fucking tarp. I'm losing my mind downstairs writing this interview, trying not to freak out.

And then Tyler, I have to mention Tyler from sixth man, the most helpful person to maybe ever live, whose whole role is basically just catering to any band complaining about something or that needs anything at any time. He responds in one second and he's like, I'm on it. Yeah. He asked, are you guys doing makeup for the set? And I was like, I'd like to, but I didn't bring anything. Yeah. And he's like, give me five minutes. and he sets me up with a young lady named Jenny

from the six-man production. She's also super sweet, super helpful. She's like, okay, I've done some juggalo paint before, so this will be easy. While we're, you know, she's not a professional, but she does a great job. But while she's doing it, she thins the black paint with hand sanitizer.

And listen, Jenny, I don't blame you if you're listening. It's okay. We didn't know. and it made it so later during the set about three songs before the ending the makeup is finally just like like running dissipating running becoming and then I'm like oh I feel some makeup in my eyeballs

and that's not the first time that's happened of course so I'm like okay this is this is normal and then it's like oh I can only see sheets of white like I'm seeing clouds like it looks like a like Jack the Ripper Fogg You know, like what you think he saw.

Yeah. And people are talking to me after and I'm just seeing shapes being like your only shapes to me right now but thank you so much. I can't see who this is. I literally heard you say that to someone. Like you're a shadow,

but I really appreciate it. And I don't know. I'll talk about going to bed in a second because I was horrified in that moment. Yeah, let's talk about the set. when I introed, we did a little prank and pretended like Twitching couldn't play so we would have the Twitch fits play. I realized you had your ears on.

So you were just hearing me talk. Oh, crystal clear. It's really funny to think about it. It's really the best part of singing with ears is people singing along. Because when somebody hits notes, dude, I'm like, I'm like, it's like a DBZ, like, it's amazing. Yeah, you get powered up. When they're bad, it's even better.

It's even better. Yeah. But yeah. Dude, this set was awesome. And I think I scraped by with what little voice I had. Well, you did smart things. You would do the low harmony. You would hand the mic out at key moments.

Who is the guy right up front? Dude, he's Kalanashi's merch guy. Holding it the fuck down. He was my hero. He saved me. He had a misfits like, whole upper sleep. Okay, cool.

So he was ready. He came with his fucking mask. That was- crushing it. Yeah, he was crushing it. I mean, everybody knew every word who was up front,

which was awesome. I was staged left just like losing it. That was the first time I got to see the Twitch vits, which is hilarious. That's true. What a venue.

Dude, us locking, I made sure when the ghoul's night out key change part happened that we were just just locked it. Eye contact, shape contact. Sinked up, enjoying that beautiful moment together. Yeah, that was really cool.

And because of that, there was a lot of people who had never heard us that were like, oh, I got to go see this band's normal song. Normal song. When they play next time. The buzz. The cruise was buzzing for the time. Dude. It was awesome.

So that was a great night. I got back to my room in panic, took a shower. wiping shit off my eyes and I'm laying in bed with a sheet of white still over my eyes. And I'm not the one to make a big deal out of stuff, you know?

Yeah. I'm a pretty casual freaker outer. Okay. You know? I silently stew. And if I'm freaking out, I'm going to be like, hey, man, this is...

Yeah, that's... Okay, okay, yeah, yeah. But I'm not telling anybody that I'm... And you hear about people going blind, right? And you start to think... you start to think it's crazy that that can just happen. It just happens to some people. Sometimes you get knocked in the head.

And what if getting hand sanitizer in your eyes can do that? These are the things I'm going through. What is the purpose of the hand sanitize? Like what did she say? It was really thick paint. Okay. And to get it on, she needed to be thinner. I guess water or the setting spray right next to us wasn't enough.

The hand sanitizer had to do it. So I go to bed. I wake up eyes crusted over. over, it's secreted from within me overnight, I was fine. Okay. So use hand sanitizer to thin your face paint. It'll be great. And if it gets in your eyeballs, you'll just secrete it out overnight.

It's perfect. Now we're on today. Tuesday. This thing's flying by, huh? Yeah, flying by, yeah. The callous now boys played at the pool deck at noon. I caught that whole set. And then we talked to two of them right here.

What's your name? What do you do? I'm Carson. I sing for the Calistow Boys. How's the cruise been for you so far? It's been good, man. It's been weird. I think that I'm not really built for cruises. No way. Say more.

I don't know, man. The ship rocking. It got to you the other night. Didn't start getting to me. I was like, this guy, come up. I got my seat legs. Did you get your she legs? I eventually, but I was in the casino with Christine from Pool Kids, and both of us started leaning the same way, and I started leaning the same way. and I started freaking out a little bit. That was crazy.

I don't think I could do this for more than five days. Yeah, this was the perfect amount of time. Yeah, perfect amount of time. Also, perfect lineup of bands. I agree. I think that the vibe was curated a certain way to be like, heavy, not heavy, heavy, not heavy. Yeah.

And the audience responded really spelled really well to that. Yeah, no, I think that we got a great response, which I was surprised by. I think the patrons of the Cahead crews are truly music fans. Yes. That's what I've noticed. It doesn't really matter what it is. I think that's the coolest part.

Yeah. They have a very open-minded fan base, which we need. You really do. You're wild, man. You're in my line, you've got electric violin. You're like My Dying Bride of modern metalcore. What would you call it? I don't know.

I hesitate to throw any sort of label on it. But then Twitter's going to yell at it. You're all, you're many things, and that's what's all about. I mean, I usually just say we're a rock band. I usually just say we're a punk rock band. You're singing beautifully. You're singing not beautifully sometimes. Not beautifully, yeah.

Again, electric violin. She's spin kicking. She's doing crazy shit. Crazy. Yeah. The idea for the violin like came from no other band, though. Like, it was just...

Have you heard my dying bride? No, I'm gonna be lost with you. You gotta check them out. Okay, all right, all right. Watch the Dynamo set. Dynamo, my dying, right. About 40 seconds in, let me know what happens in it. Okay.

That sounds sick. Any cruise highlights for you. Cruise highlights. Watching Foxing play two sets before they are taking a little break. That was awesome. Or a big break. Or a big break.

I don't know. I don't know. Watching you guys at, what was it like? Sports court. It was in the oven. Johnny Blaze. It was super hot. Honestly, World War Five on the sports court. Big highway.

It was lit, dude. It was awesome. I saw Coheed for the first time in the decade. How crazy is that? So it's like, it's crazy to see how different things are, but how much they are the same. Still goaded. Still goaded, man. Still such a great band.

I'm not super familiar with the newer stuff. I just watched them play a set that was majority newer stuff. And I was like, these are great songs. These are great fucking songs. That was the casino for you? I don't gamble. I am just like in the same way, like I don't drink. Like, I think if I started gambling, like...

Are you shoes? No, not. I'm California. California sober. Cocaine and weed only. I don't do cocaine I don't do cocaine anymore either We got it

We got it Can you tell me your favorite Harpoor records of all from Oh Jesus Christ Uh huh? The first E-Town record The second E-Town record Nice, good answers

What's the, what's the Renaissance? So that would be the third record. The third record, yeah That record's incredible Um Perseverance Yeah, pretty good

Um Yeah I can't think of one immediately. Just hot damn by every time I die, I count. Three, that counts. Okay, sure. Four. 100%.

Fourman for sure. There you go. I, uh... So E-Town and Town, Heybreed every time I die. That works. Thank you, Carson. Perfect. Thank you.

All in it. Appreciate you guys. Maybe they'll be on the next cruise too. I hope so. We got Jackie from Calistowice here. You play bass. I do. Dunnable bass. Donable bass. Love to see it. Shouts out. Great set yesterday on the pool. Thank you. I appreciate that. Tell me how the cruise has been treating you so far.

It's been really interesting and like the coolest way ever. I never thought I'd be able to like experience anything like this. Like growing up, roughing it. Spin kicking on a cruise. Spin kicking in on a cruise. I got a cost of by a security guard for it. Really? Told me to watch my feet. Watch your feet. or else he'll eject me from the venue. I'm sorry. What's your hat?

Oh my god. You saved my life. That was actually karma. Thank you. It was, yeah. Thanks for being there. I'll always be your martial morning as all. I appreciate it.

Tell me about what the Cowles Dowboys has been like this year. You had a new record? It's insane. Yeah, we sure did. We just dropped it in May. Hardest we've ever worked on a record. I think it's the best thing we've ever written so far. Probably is going to be the best thing we've ever written.

Fuck, yeah. The next one is going to be the best thing we've ever written. not gonna top it well said okay tell me your four favorite hardcore records all huh four favorite hardcore records okay if god only knew the rest are dead by disembodied wow uh when forever comes crashing by converge good answer hardcore for hardcore by the rival mob wow good answer and shit one with the underdogs it's got to be one with the great answer right that's that's the that's the hardcore record top of our wrestlers go all right this is way easier

RVD, Jeff Hardy, Ray Mysterio. You love high five. Kenta Gobashi. Wow. Deep cut. Yes, great. Good answers. Thank you so much.

Strong. Of course. Thank you. See you soon. Nicest, like one of the nicest groups of people I've ever met. I had not met them prior, but I was aware of them. Taylor knows a couple of them, like, well. And just the nicest group.

Their new records popping off crushing right now. they're set like everybody knew them on here this was not like an unknown band to them which was really cool the electric violin player is so cool she's doing spin kicks and shit while they're playing she they have never heard my dying bride you know yeah which they got to do that was like the the first thing i said i'm talking to any of them was like that was crazy have you heard my dying bride you got to listen to my dime. You got to check out this dynamo set. Specifically, please.

So that was awesome. Very good little conversation with them. Watch pool kids again at the pool, if you can believe it. This is when we did the Anthony interview. So we were tied up for quite a while. Yeah, a few hours. Spent a few hours writing that as well.

Got that done. And then we went to a beautiful chat. And then we went to Habachi. Dude, that, yeah, straight. into habachi. Straight to habachi. So we went straight from Anthony Green into Habachi. Something that Tyler did, which I think they did for everybody. Everybody got like kind of because there were restaurants on the ship that were not like included. But as for artists, you got like a gift certificate essentially for your party to go and blah blah. So this

was one of the ones that we picked as a group. And I love Habachi. It's one of my favorite things. I've never really done it. And I had a blast. Man, the whimsy, the magic. The homie. The homie. Yeah. Just right there. Compliments to the chef. Which is you, by the way.

I was calling out one, during, while we were playing, I called out the Habachi guys. Because I saw a couple of them looking over. Oh, really. And they seemed like that was cool. Hell yeah. That was really good. And then I just, I want to thank Tyler again. He got me because I talk about my back on the show.

And I know you're listening. So I want to thank you personally, like I did in person. But again, he got me a massage. He got me a gift certificate for a massage. Dude, how good was that massage? They have a whole fucking spa on the front of the ship or back of the ship that is like

it's huge and it's so nice. I got a hot stone massage. I got all the fixings. Oh, you did the hot stone. I did the hot stone and I added foot, hand, and eye treatment. Oh, yeah, I did that too. Which that was all cool. it was great.

Like I told you, the gal who did my massage was like four foot 10, 100 pounds. And there were times where like through the thing, I'm looking down and I could see her feet lifting off the ground. She's like pushing out of my back. And then at the end she was even like, sorry I couldn't quite get something. You know, I'm pretty tiny. I was like, hey, sometimes, you know, massages, there's like two styles. There's like hurt me because I need it. And then also just like, I want to relax.

So I did that one. I did the relaxed one. I did the deep tissue hoping that they would cure me, basically. Just of all ailments. Yeah, and it wasn't super hard, but it's just nice to be oiled up, you know? Dude. Isn't it nice to be oiled up? I like being oiled up and having my hands and arms rubbed.

Oh, God. And then the eye thing felt so good. It did feel really good. They rub your head, dude. Yeah. Again, they oil you up. What's better than that? I just like being oiled up.

I don't know what. I don't know. This was the second coheed set. So I watched from the same place again during this set. They played the same set again and had this beautiful moment where they're playing the suffering, which is the second single from this record. Claudio looks up, locks eyes with me. And like, immediately is like, oh shit, it's the guy I just talked to yesterday.

Stopps riffing mid-song to point at me, keeps playing. after that song goes into a story by shouting us out and being like, I was talking to Hardlore yesterday about, I'm not going to spoil it. Yeah. And then it was something about the next song. And that was just a really surreal moment.

Like, this is a band I've been listening to since I was in middle school. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And now he's talking about an interview I just did with him on his cruise that I was invited to play. music is unbelievable and

and listen sometimes it's the band you started when you were 18 you know of course and you just keep grinding and then people get it eventually and

you start you have a weekly propaganda show where you get to propagandize everybody but it was just so it made me really emotional in that moment and then he when he was like

I was talking to Hardlord he like paused for applause and it was like, but it was just really cool thing that even in that moment where you can barely see me up there and he still clocked me and it was like, oh,

that's awesome. And shared this really cool story of this really cool thing that we talked about in the episode. So really cool. You'll all see. Part of this interruption, we've got to tell you about today's important events.

First of all, we're giving away a Gibson Les Paul studio. Hello. What do you? want, you know? It's unbelievable. How would someone sign up for this giveaway, Colin? So Sweetwater has made it so that if you go to patreon.com

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Somebody's winning that thing, and it's going to be completely random. So we hope it's you. Yeah, we're going to draw early December. I'm going to send it out myself. I will get it to you by Christmas. Boom. We promise.

Yep. Like jingle all the way, baby. Probably U.S. though. Okay. We should probably... Yeah. Yeah.

Sorry. I'm sorry. It's just way too much money to send it overseas. Or even into Canada. Fuck. Sorry. That's true. U.S.

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Back to the episode. Last day. Last day. Last day. What do we do this day? this this was i remember just being like frantic boom boom boom boom boom boom shit to do shit to do shit to do shit to do and then i watched callous that i boys play i watched foxing play out on the pool their last show right one of them oh right right one of them and we talk to them here we've got connor

from foxing here unbelievable thank you for joining us thank you for having me how's the how's your crew's experience been it's been really good uh been seasick has threw up a lot oh hell yeah like right after we our last set. Cool. Good time to do it. Less set ever. No, no, no. Okay.

Last set ever for now. Well, we're playing like four shows in December. Oh, okay, okay. We're taking a big fencing break. But we're all doing other stuff. Well, we've been doing it for like 12 years. We've never taken a break. And so, I don't know, last year around Christmas time,

we were all sitting in a room together and we're like, we should take a break. This is, you know. Yeah. It's just getting hard to, like, write together and tour together so much. We need time to grow as people. So it was a unanimous thing and we're all like actually very excited about it. Really, I am.

I don't want to speak for everyone. Sure. It'll be mature. It'll end up by being a positive thing. Yeah, yeah. You come back to it when you're excited and you love it again. Yeah, we're all in our 30s and like, you know, my wife and I want to have kids at some point. It's like we got to learn who we are not as musicians at some point in our lives.

100% of it. Have you enjoyed the cruise? enjoyed the cruise thus far? That's amazing. Aside from being six. Other than highlights. Highlights, oh man. I don't know.

Everybody on this cruise is so fucking nice. And the amount of people that came up as my birthday on Monday, that was a big highlight. Happy birthday. Thank you. A lot of birthdays. Scorpios. Hey, there we go.

Yeah, that was a huge highlight because we just went around Cosimo and rode like Nissan's with the tops chopped off. Yeah, some of those. Buggies. Yeah.

And then everybody on the cruise has been like, you know, people I don't know are like, happy birthday. And, you know, I hope you find what you need on the break. Like, that's really cool. Did you have the same experience doing the COVID tour

that just happened? Absolutely. Everybody, I feel like their fan base is just so accepting and loving. Yeah, we've heard that from a few people tonight. I've experienced it. Yeah, same. First half, no.

Well, I think, like, fans of that bands are, like, the best kind of fan, which are the ones that actually really care about, um, what the, like, the music that the band likes, you know,

they actually, it's like the best thing that you can do for an opener is have fans that are, like, receptive to that, you know? And it's a cool thing where it's like, it's kind of like all tomorrow's parties, that festival, you know, where it's like curated.

It's just like a festival that happened for a long time, where it's like curated by cultural icons and huge musicians and stuff. But it's something that I've always loved is the idea of like, whenever you're putting a lineup together for a tour, you're like curating something. Oh, yeah. And like the fans of your band are actually seeing like what you like. And I feel like these fans, Kohid, they get that?

They want it. Yeah. They're hungry for something. You know, this is what these guys actually listen to. Right. It's like all the stuff on the bill. Yeah, I think they think of it that way, too, which is important. all been very kind yeah that's been my highlight as well yeah i think it's the people also see it

like i don't know seeing you guys around it's like it's awesome really cool just getting that it's like a big summer camp yeah yeah i said the summer camp vibes for sure i'm gonna ask you a brutal question okay and you can take your time take as much time okay can you tell me a full of favor in our record as a whole time um okay well if you consider we probably do all right you know the banjalous Yeah. Do you consider that? Sure. All right.

You do what you need. You gotta do, all right. All right. Cursed by dramas. That's like my favorite EP ever. Okay. Fuck, what else do I like? Oh.

Okay. Do you consider love is love to be hardcore? Metal core? Metal core. Sure. Sure. Give it to me. All right.

I want you to be you here. Yeah. Code Orange Kids. Love is love. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

It was a band called Love is Love. Oh, no, no, no. Love is Love for sure. Code counts, for sure. I love all their records. That one, like, hit me out of time. They were over. They were over. What else do I love? I don't know.

Kiss a goodbye. You know this record? Choke. All right, choke, kiss a goodbye. Okay. Are these, like, very pedestrian to you? No. No, actually, no.

No, I would not say so. you're not saying age of oral my threat those are the more pedestrian for sure okay what about I feel like go ahead I've seen all I need to see by the body

that's not like a hardcore record it's like experimental weird shit but it is weird shit but I believe it's adjacent that's my favorite the body you do what you gotta do okay cool I've seen all I need to see by the body that'll be the fourth one there you have it

Connor from Foxing People that watch this are going to be like, this is all bullshit. No, but there's going to be 20% are going to be like, finally someone fucking mentions, you know. We're going to eat ask in our audience. They are always searching for something. Always.

Okay, cool. Thank you so much for doing this. Hey, thank you. Have a great hiatus, man. Yeah, enjoy yourself. I can't wait. He's in the middle. He just started. Fuck you.

Enjoy. Thank you. Back to you guys. Have a great hiatus, motherfuckers. It's the best. Once again, Cohe played the pool. We're fucking, I'm getting ready for the set all day.

It's 10.45 p.m. but you know me. I stress out for about seven or eight hours. Dude, it's one of the funniest things that I explain to people that like, if Hardler has to do something, the day, if you're playing that day, I'm off. Like, that's an off day for me. Except for this. This is the most, this is really the most I've ever done on a day where I've had to play. We had to cram.

We just had to. Something about the sea, dude. And by this time. the sea is fucking raging. Oh, man. This was the time where the group chat is like, yo, we had waves hitting the window last night. Yeah, Kylo.

Kylo said, we were scraping bottom. It was killing me. Scraping the bottom of the ocean. So I like that a lot. Yeah. This is, everybody's in costume this day for like some kind of prom.

There was a prom. And then there was also like cosplay competition for the, like the wars or whatever. The Amory Wars. Yeah, yeah. There was a play. There was a play.

There was a whole musical thing for the Amory War. It's like a live play. No shit. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Caught the last soft cult set this night. Truly, the best band. Can't stress that enough. You got to check it out.

The song 1625. Check that one out. I watched them sound check that and I was levitating. Like a pie and a window sill. Just floating to the riffs, to the vibes. And they're way like, heavier live. Interesting.

The tones are fucking like raging. Everybody's locked in. Dude, the, as we said in in the interview, they're twins, so they're just harmonizing so perfectly.

Just unbelievable band. I see the world for them ahead. And this is last night. This is our last set. So sound checking. My voice is starting to come back a little bit. A little bit. This whole time,

everything we've said, I'm barely able to speak. And like literally, if you guys have noticed I sound a little hoarse, Colin was ten times worse than how I sound right now. What's funny is during Claudio and Anthony, the interviews, I think I was okay. Like I was speaking from the back of my voice kind of like this. Yeah, yeah.

So you'll be able to tell a little bit, but not super crazy. But as we're going on, I'm like, oh, I'm back. Okay, good. And before we, what's, something that was kind of common on the cruise was a band is starting and the crowd's kind of sparse. Yeah. And like people kind of start together as they realize a band is playing.

Yeah. And this set we're playing 10 feet from the casino. That's very true. We should, yeah, it's like a, God, it's a, so everything on the, on the whole ship, every deck is like, it's just a floor by floor, right?

Yeah. This is an area where there is, it's two, it's open for two decks. So there's like. So you can watch from the bottom and from the, the staircase. And from the top. And from the Habachi restaurant. And from the Habachi. It's all one big open thing.

And all of a sudden, man, it's full. Packed house. Packed. Packed. By people who have never heard us, which was really cool. And then again, guys from Kaunashi were there. People from Cowboys were there. A couple of our guys from the Discord and stuff are ready for, and it, and it was like a straight up great

twitching tongues set, a cruise aside. Yes. Yeah, right. If this was in, if this was anywhere, if this was at home, I would have been like, that was really good. It was Rowdy. Routy is the best word for it, I think, because it wasn't like violent. No. Which I'm really glad

because, like, there's a lot of, a lot of civilians on this thing who don't know about how they're dancing. You got to have some awareness in these situations of like, all right, this is not the time to hurt somebody. And proud to say, everybody did. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like proud to say that everyone behaved exactly how I would hope they would. And then the drummer of pool kids was crowd surfing and moshing and then climbed to the second floor. Yeah, he grabbed onto the balcony, started climbing. And I was essentially under and I thought he was going to jump. So I was a little scared. Security did not like that much. No, they did not like that. They did not like that.

He was also in a splint because of foot. was fucked up. Broken ankle. That was odd. There was so many little things that came together. Like my voice coming back gave me enough confidence to just fucking blast through it. The stage was really small. So I'm Mike Stan most of the time just like locking in and fucking whaling.

Yep. Sean Martin. We haven't even talked about Sean. We haven't even talked about Sean and Jessica. My goodness. Guys, here's a few words from Sean, our very first guest ever. Hey, everybody. It's John Martin. It's the first hard-lore guest in history.

We're back with him today on the SS Never Ender. Sean, how's the crew been for you? It's been great. You have been having a blast. You have your love of life, Jessica with you? Yes, I do. Yes, I'd like to shout out Jessica Martin. Jessica Martin real estate. Maverick Realty. Maverick Realty.

Pick it. Get a house. Go buy a house. That's what she said. That's her tagline. That's unbelievable. Sean can you tell me some cruise highlights? Yeah, the food's been great. It has been good. Had a good time.

He had a good time. Check out any bands? I watched the Cohed in Cambria twice. How'd they do? They were great. Yeah. Yeah, they did great. As a guitar man, you have to just sit in awe at what they're doing the whole time, huh? Absolutely, yes. Yeah. It's off the hook.

Claudio singing and playing all that stuff is crazy. It ain't right. No, it's not. Much like what you're doing now, it's unbelievable. Yeah, I'm doing this all, this is all improv right now. D-D. Could you possibly tell us your top four hardcore records of all time? Top four?

Yeah. Man. I guess agnostic front calls for alarm. Chromag's Age of Quarle. Yeah, I mean, what can you do? Uh... I'm gonna go out on a limb because I don't know it's crossover more than There's Hark of Crumb Suckers' Life of Dreams.

That's, yeah, that's H.C. Yep. And it's a little controversial, but ludicrous, immaculate deception. Whoa. Wow. First ever ludicrous. Yeah, absolutely first ever. Yeah.

And then I'm going to throw First Murphy's Law in there, too. Oh, yeah. Fifth bonus. Would you do this again if we were invited back to the SS Never Rounder? Yes, yes, I would. There you have. You hear that? It's all.

That's it. Thank you, Sean. We were lucky enough to be joined by the great British Drake, Mike's wife. And she does much more than being Mike's wife, of course. But she happens to be Mike's wife. Like they play fucking magic. Oh, yeah. Dude, a lot of magic on this thing.

A lot of magic. Mike was a magic celebrity on the cruise. You would just see him talking to a stranger, and then there would be cards out. I think he was the first person on the cruise to whip his deck out, is what it was. So Mike whipped his deck out. He was whipping deck all over the place. All over the place. It was crazy, yeah.

And strangers were just coming up to him talking magic, giving him stuff. Yeah. He also, it's funny to point out that he went everywhere with his backpack with his decks in there. In case he had to whip it out, that's it. Yeah. That's the only reason. Well, you never know. He was playing the whole time.

Soft Colt, big magic head. Meet Me at the Altar, I think, had some big magic heads. I didn't really talk to any of them, but they were down. So Magic Mike is in full effect on this thing. Mike's crushing this set. I'm seeing basically every band member we've talked to on the entire careers, like watching the set, being there supporting. And it was just very cool.

It was legitimately, it was like, like it seemed, and I mean this with all due respect, it seems unfair that you had two, incredible sets. I agree. Out of the three. Because it seemed like you get one. You should barely get one. You should barely get it. It's a cruise ship. But there's a million things to do on there, but at the end of the day, that

fan base is there to see live fucking rock music. Live music. And that's why I stand with the Cohede Alliance. Like I'm totally get it. Everyone was cool. However, I will say during this, the Packers were playing the Eagles

and I witnessed an old Packers fan, an old guy, get into a physical altercation with a young Eagles gal. Who started it? The Packer guy. You hear that, Taylor? And I'm kind of an Eagles fan, so that was the only thing I saw on the whole ship.

Go birds. The only thing I saw on the whole ship the whole time that was like, oh shit, and that's just like normal sports. That's just banter. Banta. It's nothing, you know. He was taking the piss. Total piss taker.

After the, before the twitching tongue set, we also talk to Mike from twitching tongues. Here's Mike Sessario's hardlorn debut. Here we go. Okay, we're here with Media Mike. Movie Mike. He's here. Mike Casario. Magic Mike.

My beloved Mike Sarsio, drummer for Twitch and Tunes. This is his first appearance on the Hard Lord. Hang on one second. This is his first appearance on Hardlore. This is the precursor to the eventual, eventual full episode, of course. Mike, how's the crew's been? It's been awesome. Very good.

Your wife, Bridie's here. She is. I wish she was here right now with us. She can get in. She's probably good. She's talking to somebody. She's popular. Yeah.

She's been on the show. She's been on the show. You have a bag, a backpack full of magic cards with you at all times. Everything you could ever match is about it. Dude, it's been the talk of the town on the crew. It's pretty dope. I mean, I got a lot of mana. It's pretty sick. I can play anyone. I'll beat you. Let's go.

Brady beat me at least six times. I won once. It's fine. Now, why not leave it in your room? Is it an actually security threat? No, in fact, I left my bag down here if you haven't noticed. So I bring it with me because... In case anyone's read. What if you're like just walking? You're like, hey, nice to meet you, Jeff. Oh, you also play magic.

I saw you do it twice. You and Steven were playing the other day in like the the like general area and you six people stopped to be like dude. It was great I got free free soul rings for anyone who plays they gave me like a Coheed and Cambria's soul ring you'll insert it here. Yeah, he's scared it very dope pretty dope and everyone just gave me gifts. Okay, they get it it's a community you know it's a community. Yeah it's a

community and just like hardcore. What are your cruise highlights? Cruise highlights. Obviously, Britty being here is really fun. It's also, it was our anniversary. Happy anniversary. We got a picture on the 10th of our anniversary, so celebrated a day later.

Beautiful. It's her first time being on a cruise, so her favorite movie is the Titanic, so I did my due diligence and brought her on her favorite movie cruise. Yes, bring it down. The cruise ain't over, so there's still time. It's freezing out there. We gotta play a set, so...

I gotta play a set. I'll do it. We can go down on the shift. Yeah. Yeah, that'll be good. But that's probably... That one sing Thursday. Soft cold, dude.

Soft, dude. Talk about them. Unbelievable band. Okay, so I was trying to explain to somebody. You know, when you see a band, you're like, all right, I heard about this. This is going to be good. And you go there and, like, you're just looking like...

Is anyone else seen what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was basically that the entire time. Yeah, I felt. the same it's just it's just perfect it's everything you want so that was great I love that Thursday was great because I got to see Norman from Texas Reasons rip on guitar and he's a big influence on me the same thing just when you hear the right notes you're like that's what I want I like your shade he's doing you know he's

doing this I don't know if you know that's a C-sharp major seven so the thumbs on there those on there it pretty crazy yeah Thursday New Jersey HC. New Jersey, yeah, that was awesome. And then also just been with you guys. Oh, I mean, come on. Come on. I can't.

It's awesome. Mike, here's the hardest part. What is it? Could you tell us from top four hard people of all time? So while you were doing Sean earlier, I was like, I don't know. I think I got him. Okay. So I have to say Master Killer.

It's the only, I have to. It is what it is. It's about, I mean, come on, guys. I have to. A five-dily venom. It's a five-dily death venom. demo combo I have to say that I think I'm gonna do roar tape that that brain okay this one I think is new for you guys and it's mainly because I it's my

go-toe it's in cold blood hell on earth wow that's that one is is a perfect I mean it's hard you know there's there's a lot of perfect record it's meldick it yeah top to bottom just straight straight up it's my favorite clevo record respect all the time good and then I've heard for fur Yeah, yeah, exactly. Fourth one was a toss-up. It's the hard one. It's the hard one because Sean's out there.

I can't have to say. You can't say. You're wearing the shirt. I know. Sean, stop, dude. Dude, I'm... But honestly, it's a tie between... I can't do ties.

If it wasn't, if it wasn't a tie. Let's just do Coral Bar Broken Glass. Oh, hard for hard for. Does that count? I think we've made it count. I think spiritually like I want to Co Bar will be like

I don't think we're a heartburn Okay okay well then if we're doing that Then it's then it's satisfaction Okay there it is Yeah I mean that's about that's no I think that's good I agree for grateful I think you picks one guys

Great Rick yeah 4 for 4 for 4 yeah good shit Love it can't wait to rip Mike there it is Ripping Mike Let's go Magic Mike Magic Mike

Magic Mike and in the flesh That was pretty much our experience of the cruise Yeah I It's funny that five days, I feel like, went by really quick in that discussion. Yeah. Something I looked at, like, we were doing like 15,000 steps a day on the ship. Because everything's just all over the place and you're kind of up and about the whole time.

It's like, all right, I'll go get a water on this floor now. Yes. Now I'll go eat something on this floor. Coffee's here. Now I'll go do this two-hour obligation I have somewhere. Yes. Now I'll go wait for a coffee for an hour. And then I got to play.

So it all adds up and goes by super fast. So now let's go to, let's jog some memories now. Okay. We got some questions from the Hard Lord Patreon and the Hard Lord just scored. Here we go. Cody Exit asked, was it smelling crazy? Not at all. No.

No, actually. Incredibly clean ship. And I understand that question. Because I think we, just as people, when you assume there's like a cult following of anything, they're going to be like wrestling fans or magic fans or like notoriously stinky groups. No. Not the case. I think even if they were.

Well, wait a minute. Memory charred. All right, everybody. What? The plumbing on this ship worked. Worked as such. Every cabin shared the plumbing system with the cabin next to it. So Stephen and I were in one room.

The cabin next to us were Alec and Colin. Now Stephen and I very early on because I'm particular- And Tyler and Kyle's too were theirs was messed up too, as was Sean and Jessica. As was Mike and Bridie. So it was our whole block. Yep. Continue. You were the first room in that block.

Who's to say? Who's to say what is first? Maybe we're last. Sequentially, you were the first one because you were, 04-2. Who's to say? So, Stephen and I decide very early on

that we're only going to use the bathroom in there for number one. Unless you're going to be in the shower or something you're going to take a while, just for the sake of keeping a very confined, very small cabin fresh and just not yucky. I'm quick, though. You'd never know.

Our counterparts in the other room did not agree to such a concession. No, I mean, I never do. I got it's my kingdom and I got to I got to rule it as I fit. So all of a sudden, one of these days, someone of the group chat says the toilets on our floor aren't working. Sure enough, our toilet stopped flushing. And then there was a guy, a plumber at like what? It was late.

Yeah. And let's clarify this that in the thread that there's a twitching tongues, WhatsApp thread where we have to communicate with Tyler and the ship. We're assuming the plumbing is out on the cruise or on a floor or something. We're like, we're like, oh, this must be cruise-wise. It's happening. Like the poo cruise, like that has happened. Yeah, yeah. It's happening.

Now, this worker, I'm not, I'm not kidding. Here's a picture of him. Can't see his face. So that seems fine. He's a plumber. he is roto-rudering the plumbing in between my room and Collins' room for 45 minutes at like midnight and at one point I literally hear it's like ring and I hear him go fuck and then the entire floor smells like just pure sewage that's crazy and so that's so that and so then the toilet's

started working again. So that part did smell really crazy. It did. So what happened was it was only the twitching tongues block of rooms that were that were that were that were not flushing shipwise. So and I and we don't know what happened. And the guy only did plumbing work on the system that was conjoined between mine and Collins room and Stephen and I didn't use the toilet for anything but number one. So here's what I'll say. I didn't know there were any kind of flushing rules. until I was peeing in Anthony Green's room. And I saw, I was peeing in his room and I looked over and saw a notice that was like,

do not flush wipes. They're not flushable, only flush toilet paper. And I was like, that's weird. And so our toilets didn't work for a day, but, you know, who's to say that was my fault? Yeah. Who's to say? Who's to say?

Mount Rushmore Music to listen to on a cruise. Go ahead. I mean. Twitching tongues Coheeding Camrya Soft Colt and Cowanashi

I mean I was this was prime ambient bow playlist Yeah I didn't listen to music for one second I'm waking up it's I'll tell you what I listen to all day Was the coheed blaring through the ship the whole time Oh my God

So there's here's a memory jogged Yeah throughout the ship over the PA The music never turned off, ever. Yeah. The whole time. It's a playlist of only Coheed and the bands on the cruise.

So it'll be like four Coheed songs. Right. And then a cruise band. And then what's funny is that it would be like, is this a misfit song? That's Colin. That's common. Like that happens so often.

Yeah. It's nice that ours were kind of disguised. Kind of. And then there would be like a cover of crazy train. And it was puddles. Yeah. Mike. Mike.

What was interesting was seeing in the public places where people congregated when like the Cohede bangers came on, like a thousand people singing along in a public area. They just can't believe. Coheen't believe it, dude. It's unbelievable. So, yeah, I'm getting up at 6 a.m. I'm watching the sunrise over the ocean. I'm listening to fucking just the prettiest music you've ever heard. You know, that's what I was doing.

Mo Brown asked, were there any bands you found yourself hanging out with, especially any band you? previously hadn't met. We'd never met any of the soft cult people before and we were like inseparable by the last two days those were those were people. Dowboys too. I had not them prior. Dude and I know you had met Anthony but I had not met Anthony prior. Yeah he's the and then by the end of the cruise anytime I saw him we were immediately like we would pick up right where we left off. Very cool. And the homie Haley Rippie who I had also met before but she was she's fucking legend. Legend. Let's see.

Yeah, so James Fihili asked how much was won in the casino. I ended up down about $200. Which is like five days. What a win. On a floating casino. Yeah. That's... 24 hours open.

Except for the Baccarat table, which is open, only open at night. And that man dent me over and fucked me in the ass. That was crazy. It was unbelievable. You lost immediately. Four player in a row. I stick to people like, why you play slots? They're so volatile.

This man fucked my ass four times in a row. Relentlessly. I didn't gamble one, I didn't gamble $1. I am so proud of you. Actually, not totally true because the arcade game that had the coins. Oh, that was fun. Took our card and our room keys were connected to any card you put on. So I spent $10.

That's, that basically didn't happen. Yeah, yeah. This is a really great question. Somebody asked something insane that's happened the last time we recorded an episode is that some of the Epstein emails have been leaked. Oh, my God. You just read about that? Yeah, yeah.

You think, I don't think Trump was sucking off Clinton. No, I don't think so either. I think this is a way to- Because he would have brought it up in the debate with Hillary. He wouldn't have debated her, dude. He would have been like, she has the greatest ammo of all time on me. I can't have debate this way. That's a great point.

I just think it's a way to make him have to post his wife on the White House Twitter five days in a row. Like it's a way to make him like, well, no, I'm not gay. I have, you know. Yeah. And now he's saying release him because surely they've doctored them in some way or something. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.

I don't know. It's how fucking crazy. I don't even know. And it's like it's already over. A lot of people, you know. It's over, though. That's where we are today. That's, imagine, like, Clinton or Obama dealing with this, you know?

You'd be laughing. You'd be like, this is. But, like, dude, Watergate wasn't that big of a deal. Like, oh, right, but it was enough for him to resign. Yeah. And now we've got, he's had, he has a Watergate, his Watergate breaks every day. That's Clinton, baby. Crazy, man.

Clinton, Clinton caught a blowy in the, Oval Office and lied to the nation and everyone was like, he started it, really? He kind of set the precedent, I think. It's true. I think.

Well, Reagan lying about Iran and contrae. Right. Yep. Favorite stage to play was I think the MacG. The Bliss one.

I mean, that was incredible, but yeah, I had a little more room at the... True. That was like a normal stage. And the barricade was like kind of cool. It was. Because it was people right in front of me just like

leaning over it and like yeah. And they could like break it down and sometimes. Yeah, it would like kind of bend. So I didn't mind that. I really didn't mind that. Something we didn't mention too is like these rooms are decorated

in various coheed. Dude, beautiful. The, the craps table said cohen and cameron had the fucking butterfly all over. No shit.

I didn't even notice. It was awesome. It was really cool. Everything was, the production was like, no joke. This is clearly their third time, you know? Well, it's also sixth band, you know. Yeah. It's the production company who does all of these headbangers cruises.

Yeah. Yeah. Crazy shit, dude. Really cool. I hope that if we're asked back in 2027 or whenever they decided to do this again, that many of you come and join us. because this just sounds fun. It is fun.

We could do a live barclor. It'd be fucking dope. That would be dope. I don't think anybody asked if we threw up, and I don't think anybody did. Did not throw up. I was able to really just kind of white knuckle the nausea. Because it wasn't,

the listing was, it would get there, but it wasn't unpredictable. Yeah. It became very, now what did suck, going back to land and feeling like you were moving.

I'm like just got over that. Same. So did I. That was crazy. That felt really weird. Like in the airport. I was like, oh shit. I was in bed at night. I was moving. Bed was rough.

Showering for some reason made me feel it. I don't know. It was weird. Weird. Bizar. What a weird. And I guess that, like, Did settlers and colonizers all experience that too, you know? Of course.

And, I mean, makes you think... Probably worse. The end of Waterworld, when the mariner gets on and he's like, the land doesn't move right. He wasn't lying. Yeah, that's real. Crazy shit, man. Great movie. Favorite meal on the cruise?

Habachi. Habachi was lit. We also got that steakhouse that one night. That was good. That was pretty good. Not the first one. Oh. Oh, yeah, that was good.

But what sucked about that one, and I say sucked, is it was 13th deck. So the chop is way worse than if you're at the choppiest ever was. So that was crazy. I'm watching Sean's wine glass. Like, it was crazy. It was cool, though. What were you most tempted to toss overboard? We all have that thing when you go to a high place and you look over and you have the thought.

Oh, my God, dude. Like, I could just drop my phone off right now. I could just drop my body off right now. What would actually happen? And it is horrifying. I'll tell you what. It's high up there. It's high.

I will say they do a pretty good job. Like, if you're at the pool deck and you go up to try to be at the like outermost portion of the ship, they have like eight foot plexiglass. So only puddles can see over that thing. And there's like slits cut out. You couldn't get through it if you wanted to. Thankfully, thank God. Yeah, I agree.

Because it's scary, man. That one thing we didn't mention was and you were, you were. you were doing the you were indisposed for some reason but I went and did the the crew or the tour of the ship Oh yeah and so we went up into the bridge

and like I saw the ship like going straight and I saw the two people steering it with a joystick this big a little That's it They have the wheel but they use the joystick Just like that submarine Yeah Kind of

The submarine had a bigger joystick than the ship That's crazy. Not even joking. I mean, it's probably, you probably have to go like, yeah, it's for 10 minutes to move at all. Anyway. They freak me out, those ships. Max Kendrick asked, did Twitching get over as the heaviest ban on the boat? Yeah.

I would say so. By the end, I think we were over. I guarantee you, have you checked like Spotify or anything? Like, have you have any numbers bump or anything? I mean, our socials bumped Pretty good And like my There's a bunch of comments On my latest post that are like

First time seeing you That was crazy It was awesome Yeah pretty good That's why you do it Yeah Did anyone appear To just be there for the crews

With zero interest in bands at all? So like that Packer guy I was talking about He was like a 60-something year old guy Yeah In a Packer shirt at a bar Yeah I don't think he was there for Coheed

I would have said the guy on the pool deck shirt that was wearing the shirt that just said, Piss Jug, man, was maybe there for just the cruise, but then I saw him doing front of house. So maybe not. But yeah, there's definitely some people where you're just like, what the fuck are you doing here, man? Yeah, I don't know. It was, it was odd, but it wasn't unpleasant. One thing I liked that I wanted to point out was twitching tongues playing good luck. I haven't seen you play that, I think.

It's been a while. It's been a while. And it's just a really nice addition to the set list. That's a nice one to like, that's a one to play to people who have never heard us. Totally, because it's got, it's got Big Black Sabbath intro. The typo intro.

Yeah. It's got good hooks. It's got Mike doing crazy fills. And the, the stomp part, it's very, very good. Fit. really well, I think. Thanks, man. Dude. I feel like we curated a pretty good set.

And also, I'm like, I know it's not new. You've been playing them, but the Gaining Purpose songs. Oh, it's that Gaining Purpose, we have not played with Mike. That was the first time. Okay.

Okay. That makes sense. Because you played, what's the other one? Kill for you and sound for you. Sound of pain. Yeah. That one I've seen you play.

Yeah. Sound or, uh, gaining purpose. it's here to stay. Dude, I mean, those songs, they feel great because there's so much, they're, you know what I'm saying. They, like, they're a different gear. And so I really enjoyed the set list.

It was good. Easiest fucking 45-minute set, I'm sure the tongues ever played. Kind of. Like, as far as setless go, it was awesome. Yeah, it was, it's, a lot of those songs are what we're very comfortable playing. You know, I would say I probably have the hardest. Job up there. Kill for you is tough. Other than that, yeah.

We were planning on breaking out some stuff we'd never played before, but figured play the hits to new people, you know? Yeah, absolutely. But next year, we'll bust out some crazy shit. Juicy Evil asked, how cool is Claudio? He's unbelievable. He's very cool. You want to hear something?

Hit me with a follow the other night. Dude, same. I didn't follow him. Before. Yeah. Yeah, it was out of nowhere. Out of nowhere. That's cool to me.

I agree. Because it's like we meet people. And, you know, to some people, we're just fucking journalists or whatever, whatever. It's nice. It's like a nice, like, oh, okay, cool, man. But damn, he was thinking about what a nice time he had with us. Exactly. That's exactly.

Yeah. It's very pleasant. He was very hospitable. Offered us his writer. Dude, he taught me. You caught a picture of it. Claudio taught me his ancient secret warm-up technique. Who was to say that wasn't why I had a singing voice at all of that night?

That it lasted, sure, sure. Because that was SwitchFit's night and my voice was way better. Pretty cool. I could teach her to you all someday. Who knows? But God, yeah, he's unbelievable. Somebody asked, what was the ratio of pineapples on doors? I don't know what that means.

So pineapples is a swinger thing. Very common on cruise ships. I didn't see a one. I didn't see a one. There's no perverts on this ship. It didn't seem very perverted. Not a pervert ship. This is a music ship, man.

Yeah. I ate pineapple every morning. Nice. Every single morning. But yeah, I didn't see any of that. How did the audiences react to hardcore music? Were people into it or did it seem like crowds from other scenes? I think there was a, it was very positive.

Like the people who were even getting moshed, I think we're just like, this is crazy. Yes, yeah. Like, they were just reacting very positively. And like, after we finished the song,

it was like, Horatious. And during Twitch Fits, I told you, I saw total Normies, like creepy crawling, spanking. Like,

actually skanking, which was awesome. Yeah. And then, yeah, during that last tongue set, like, I saw, I saw,

you know, you know, when you're at a show and you see someone get in an area where they don't necessarily know what's going to happen and you kind of go, oh, no. Like, uh-oh. Saw that a lot and there wasn't a problem.

There was not one problem. It was like a case study of how to manage something you've never experienced before a lot. Just let it happen and enjoy. Delirium trigger, good name there. How was your perceived reaction of how your shows would go versus the reception that you got? I would say we were all like at their all.

all going to suck. You know? Yeah, you expected the, the first show, the first set, every night. Every night. As did I, as an outsider. And I was fine with that, you know? Right. Because it's like, we're going to, a couple people will hear us for the first time.

We've been a band forever. We don't put out new music. It's fine. We're lucky to be here. And then it turned out that they were unbelievable. Crazy. Do straight-edge laws apply in international waters? Absolutely.

They do. Like, you wouldn't. believe. They transcend. That's right. There I was maybe even more Fritters in her national water. Vigilant. Mexico, motherfucker. Sidney said, not a question, but my girlfriend's uncle went on the cruise

and he told me, the singer of Twitching Tongues is a dude I'd never want to get in a fight with. He's jacked, and I thought it was funny. And to that, I say, he must have gotten me mixed up with my friend Bo. Oh, okay. because he's jacked.

Here we go. How many of times did each of y'all hit the ice cream? Soft serve machine. I'll be honest with you, man. I'm being really careful about what I eat these days. And I had sweets. Don't get me wrong. But I was avoiding the pizza.

I was avoiding noodles and carbs and sugars and stuff. I'm just trying to... Well, you were just in Japan going hog wild too. And exactly that. I was kind of detoxing on the ship. And like, you know how it is. I was, I just turned 38. Yeah.

Feels not great. And I do. It's over. It's over. And so I am taking, I'm trying to take a little better care of myself as far as I goes. Dude, I think I got, I got home probably. Oh, okay. Same.

Yeah. In one night. Uh, I got home down. I was probably down five pounds. Really? I'm just, I'm not eating. I was just like, all right, there's fucking pork chops here. And chicken breasts at all day.

and breakfast stuff. Yeah. I'm just going to eat this. I wasn't eating a whole lot. I was slenderman by the time I got home. Got it all back immediately. I've been gorging for three days straight. It's been great.

I was 206 pounds, 206 and one half pounds the day before I left. As of yesterday, I was 201. And a half. So I lost five pounds. Good for you, man. Good for you. I'll get back then. I'm coming.

I want to get back up. Yeah, I'm trying to get up. I'm feeling small. weak hate it but I also am liking I'm liking a fitting in shirts you know

I think you look good thanks man I think you look great thank you so Groovy Tony pajamas asked would you recommend a cruise to anyone who hasn't gone on one

I depends I think yeah I think if this happens again I really hope some hardball people come well that so that's why I say it depends

this cruise if you're like interested in alternative music and live music, yes. Carnival Cruise where you're just going to Cozumel and... Couldn't pay me. The Dominican, yeah. That's... Could not pay me.

Because, like, the food is included and some of the amenities and fun stuff is included. But a lot of the extra stuff that you might think you want is not included. That costs a lot of money. And pop isn't free, and your booze isn't free. Yeah, soda is specifically not free. So... Dude, and they had Coke light.

Oh. Which was like the Mexican Diet Coke blend. Yeah, it wasn't good. Code zero saved the day. Zero was better, yeah. Marathon Man asked how difficult slash surreal was it playing on a moving ship? That's part A of the question. I didn't notice a single difference while playing.

However, during the second Cohede set, they were fighting for their lives. Really? Dude, they were like straight up. Like the drummer's throwing up midset. Really? The guitar techs are throwing up. and the band is legit stumbling on stage while playing.

But they addressed it. They were like, this is fun. We think this is fun. So whatever. And did the realization of holy shit, I'm on a boat, distract you from the performance at all?

I would say only the first show. Yeah, because it was outdoors in the daylight. I'm looking at the steam rise from the top. Yeah. But I was spin kicking and the water's no problem.

It's what I do. It's funny too because I did the World War 5 ending bit. And Matt, a friend of the show, Matt, who was doing photography, I think for Thursday, it was why it's who he was there with. But he was everywhere and doing stuff.

Took pictures. And one of the mornings when I was sitting at the, at the Starbucks waiting for my coffee, there's a big LED screen above the Starbucks in the back. And I like looked up and it was just me. Like giant me. And I was so, I was, it was very, that.

was the most surreal part of the whole trip. It's like some cyberpunk propaganda where it's like, this could be you today. Yes, exactly. Very minority report. Yeah. Matt took some unbelievable photos. It's very good. That guy's good. What are we got?

Dalton 93 asked, does Claudio know hardcore ball? There's something that we talk about that a lot in the episode and it's surprising for surprising reasons. Yes. The man just writes.

He don't think about influences or anything. He's just writing. Yeah, a little bit of a spoiler there. It's crazy. It's amazing. I agree. Jakester asked, where is the strangest place you spin-kicked while on the cruise?

And the answer is on stage. Yeah. I was speaking kicking on the Magnum stage. That thing was eight square feet. Dude, you clobbered Alex Mike at one point, too. It was awesome. That was like, I was done at that time. Yeah, it was over.

He's over. But it was, it's, the funniest fucking, you know, like the noise is always so funny. You gotta give him a show. Yeah.

And I remember the, one of the stage managers was like kind of kneeling next to me when you did that. And I watched her like, and then she realized it was Alex Mike, like his personal mic. Yeah.

Yeah, it's all right. Sorry, Alex. But yeah, we, we had a blast. What a great time. Dude. I'm glad we did it because now I do know, like, if we got the offer again, I would absolutely do it again. Yeah.

And if we went as just hard lore, I think we'd probably get a lot more done. Yeah. Yeah. But if we got asked to play again, a dude in a heartbeat. And I hope that all of you will join us next time. It was sold out when we got announced. So it was like a miracle that anybody knew who we were. Yeah, yeah, totally.

I think maybe five people knew who we were. Yeah. from this. Yeah. Very cool. Unbelievable experience. Bizarre. Words I thought I'd never say.

Played a damn cruise. Thank you all for being there if you were there. Thank you all for listening and watching today. Yeah. We got to go jump on arc raiders right now. Yeah. We're done. We are deep in arc raters.

We are raiding the arcs. If you want to join us, let us know. Yeah. There's room for one. There's room for one more if Brody King is not online. Thank you all for listening and watching. Next week, we'll be back early. Thanksgiving week.

We're going to give it to you one day early. Oh, wow. Nice. That's right. So next Wednesday, Claudio Sanchez. The week after that, Anthony Green. It is what it is, man. We like to give, you know.

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