HardLore - Taylor Young is Great at Interviews

Episode Date: June 30, 2022

Colin and Bo speak with Colin's brother Taylor Young from The Pit Recording Studio.Bo did WHAT with the fish from Whole Foods??  HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster EnergyEdited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas MarzlufJoin the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes.Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes.FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLEFOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAMFOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Are we ready? Wow. Impressive. Good for you. Wow. What you got? Sprite. It's a little sprite. You'd never know.

He's drinking a fucking nuco cola. Hello. And welcome. It's hard lore time. It's hard lord time. What's up, Bo? Not much, my man. Just, uh,

living. That's cool, man. We got a guest today. Who do we got? This is the funniest guest yet easily. What time? Why am I funny? You're like a clown. You amuse me.

Welcome, my brother and musician, savant, recording studio engineer, album maker, tastemaker, mac and cheese maker, drummer, Tase Tuna Surprise Maker. Everybody welcome Taylor, y'all. Anyway, we finally got Taylor on the show. This is going to be this. This episode, I'm really curious what this is going to be like, because Taylor's like historically, like an anti-public speaker. I feel like when Taylor's interviewed, it's like, so Taylor, tell us about your process with this. And he's like, um, yes, I thought it was sick. So I made it even sicker. First of all, my microphone sounds better than that. So we're wrong.

We'll see how I mix it. Yeah, we'll see. You better be nice. You're just going to make me strong like that for a whole time. That's right. Taylor, I first met you, like really met you on our, on that your first European tour. How about that? What a wonderful trip.

What? That was when Europe was fun. Yeah. That was like a, that was like, oh, wow, Europe is cool. Yeah. Yeah, it was like exciting. Yeah. That was, yeah.

I'm trying to think the, I remember the, the setup being that like the adults went in the Ryzenfall van and then the rest of us were in the other van. There was the children van. The kids. So who was in the children van? There's Harmsway and Taylor and John. And John. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. Sabah is like a crossover. I can't remember what he was doing at what time. He would sometimes go in the adult van just to like sleep or something because they had a better loft. You know, whatever. Then he get kicked out. But it's funny to think, and there's going to be a picture inserted here of you and I just

standing on the ferry. Wow, what a tour I can't believe I can honestly picture it even though I'll see it in post Taylor's Taylor's legendary sepuletur hockey jersey That was like His winter coat

For like On that tour it legitimately was Yeah Well you had like a you had like a tan trench coat at one time too That you got all the time Tan No I think you know it's like green green trench coat I think oh I remember that

That's my favorite coat I still wear it all the time. Taylor's signature fit in inclement weather is tan trench coat. No, it's green. Green trench coat, flange shirt, Adidas track pants. Correct. If you were a Simpsons character, that would be your... I'm actually wearing pants, like pants pants, pants.

Good for you. You knew you'd be on camera. Thanks for cleaning the studio for us. I didn't. That's shit all over the table. I thought you did that. That's my room. That's where I sleep, everybody.

I did take the drill. Oh, good. Well, no, you can leave that up there. We'll get the Ryobie money. I'll put the drill back. Is Andrew there still? No, he just flew to Chicago yesterday. Imagine if we could have had Andrew.

I'm honestly devastated. Andrew Morrissey was just in town. The guy we talk, we owe him royalties for how much we talk about him on the same show. He told me he listens to every episode. So he'll hear that. You're in trouble. I think was there was there a misquote while he was here yes not while you were here

but he called momentum monuments he's fucking unbelievable we gotta have him and kale him and kale should co-headline the series finale his series finale season one season one finale Can you guys hear that? Damn, dude.

He's going off. Are your cats not fixed? No, they're fixed. You got more than one? I got two, yeah. They're fucking each other? Taylor, you're doing some touring lately? No.

More than you. Yeah, you are. Yeah. It's funny to think like a touring-themed podcast episode from Taylor where I'm like, you got any good, like, what's the craziest thing you've ever done? because I was probably there and it was probably Yeah, we're just gonna reiterate

shit you've already talked about Well, it's just that you know We've been on every tour together We've toured more together than we have separately Yeah Oh, interesting Are there any episodes that you've listened to If you've listened to the show at all

I don't expect you to I listen to you Relax But I wonder Are there anything that comes to mind First where you're like I can't believe he didn't talk about that No, you got it all.

You just, you always fuck up dates and things. No, I'm a thousand percent right until I'm wrong, unless I'm wrong. So no? I mean, I thought you're the one who's supposed to make up the plan for the show. No, no plan. This is completely wrong. The structure is that it's unstructured. I guess we'll talk about your drive-through anxiety because people were really into that one.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to, I don't want to talk about, I don't want to remember all. your orders. Just eat a bunch of burgers and shut up. No. I'm going to get you fired. You don't have to get exactly what you want at two in the morning at McDonald's while we're on the way to the hotel. You don't need no lettuce on the way to the hotel. I don't get no lettuce. So what I'm saying is, can I just order 10 hamburgers and 10 and five fries for everybody? No, I can't because everybody in the van is picky. Thank you. No. Well, here's the real trick. And you're not thinking about you're not thinking ahead like i'm six moves ahead okay i was six moves ahead at the

important parts of the day with the show oh that's not what all the other stuff so i don't really care about the macdonald i'm hungry and so what you do is you order and i get that this is a sacrifice for a lot of people because they're big cheese heads but when you get a macdonald's burger with no cheese you know it's fresh that's called a hamburger oh i know why why is that because the ones with cheese been sitting there, brother. They got a supply because everybody wants the cheeseburger. The Big Mac with cheese is sitting there. Well, the Big Mac at 2am has a hard bun anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Wait a minute. You're telling me that they don't put a piece of cheese on the meat and then you think that they all come with the cheese on it? They all come with the cheese on it, 100%. No, it's a different, it's a different packaging. The cheeseburgers have the yellow packaging, hamburgers have the gray package. That is true. But I mean, it's not. But that's not just how they write.

It's not a safe method if you're going double hammered. I don't think that's true. You're incorrect. The Big Mac comes cheased. And don't you dare? Yeah, well, that's because they just have Big Macs ready to go. But if you order anything a little different, then yes, they're making it for you right there. When you make an alteration, it's fresh.

Except the fries might still be cold. I don't think, I mean, you can watch. It's an assembly line. They put it all together on the fly. Oh, at night. I'm telling me. There is a 24-hour McDonald's. across the street from me.

There's a big Mac there right now, ready to eat. We're talking Lawrence, Kansas, though, not Chicago, Illinois. Lawrence, Kansas. The third biggest McDonald's in the world, which you probably live next to you. I wish I did. Where the fucking ice cream machine is broken at 8 p.m. not midnight. That's got to be. We got to do something about that.

Nothing can be done. I might have to intervene. Ronald. Ronald doesn't have a say. I need Ronald on the phone. Ronald's gone. Ronald has been erased from history. Is that true?

Can't. What was the last time you sat on a bench with Ronald? It's been a minute. I saw one in Texas, I think. Which that McDonald's was also closed. Yeah. Or because they didn't have enough employees. Yeah, it says no one won't work in a Southern accent on a little note.

I wasn't allowed to go in and go to the bathroom at 4 p.m. Did I tell my McDonald's Christmas bonus story? I can't remember. Is it better than subway? Yeah. Yeah. Well, so it's different. It's different.

I didn't tell the story. Okay. Great. I had just moved into this apartment. It was 2013. My roommate at the time went home. I was single. My mom lived in Texas.

And my dad and I, like, weren't talking. it was, and it was Christmas. So I was just like, kind of bummed, kind of down on myself sitting in my living room, like watching Home Alone and stuff and like trying to make the best of it, but, you know, lonely kind of a thing. And I was like, well, everything's closed. I don't have any food. I'm going to, I'm going to order a fucking feast from McDonald's because it was the only thing open. So, yeah, yeah, you know, when you, yeah, so whatever.

So walked, walk through the snow. It was like a typical, like a movie-esque Christmas day. And just sad, Bo. Just, you know. And I get there, I order my food. And I noticed that the ladies who were working the registers were like crying. Like all of them. They're all crying, crying, like sobbing and trying to like keep it under wraps.

And I was like, oh, shit. Happy tears or sad tears? So when I like went to get my food, I like looked at this thing that they were holding. And they were all holding like a normal piece of piece of. paper like Christmas bonuses. And they were $25. And they were happy. So the point of the story is it immediately snapped me out of like my own self-pity

bullshit. And immediately was like, hey, you could be working at McDonald's on Christmas and being like really relieved over $25, which you're very fortunate to not be stressing over. And that's straight up like a thing that I think about. when I start to get like, it's from time to time. You remember the $25 McDonald's Christmas bonus and you, you appreciate, I mean, that might as well be the jelly of the month club.

Yeah. Clark, that's the $25. He's not giving all the year. All year. It doesn't. It's one month. It's one month, right, that he gets, or is it like three months or something?

Maybe he got him a year. Maybe it was really. good bonus. Maybe he got a year. It was a year. I mean, not jelly of the month. How would you guys rank Christmas? The vacation

movies. The four. Christmas. Christmas. Christmas. Vegas. But it's like, but it's like Christmas Vegas. Yeah. I think I think one is better than Vegas. I'm not

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not rushing to put put on OG vacation, you know? That's true. I did watch Vegas the other day and just didn't even consider the first one. It's on Netflix right now. I think that's why I watched it. It times a week. So you can just turn on T&T. I love Vegas vacation.

Yeah, that's, it's a good one. Christmas, I would say, you know, since Taylor's on the show, Home alone. And you're, I mean, Bo, you're a big home alone guy. We talk about all the time. This is it. This is it. You have to be. This is the house that Kevin built right here.

These three guys. Dude, I mean, one of my happiest tour memories is twitching in harm's way at Saba's watching Home Alone. Remember that? Not even a little bit. Really? It was like his his mom's like nice town home. Taylor and I, we slept in the same bed in the basement. At Saba's, yeah, we were there for a couple days.

Yeah, yeah, it was a little while. I was there too. We got Angelo's. It was fucking dope. Couldn't tell you. Was Kail on that tour? Yeah. Okay.

Then yes, I remember that. Davy. Yeah, yeah. Sabba's neighbor, like, tried to, like, fight him. He, like, came in all hot. Remember that? I think I stayed at Sabah's house down the street while you guys stayed there. We split up.

Oh, I was at Sabah's mom. Sabah's mom. Yeah. Why would you do that? I remember there being, it was like a room, an issue of, uh, of fitting us all. Oh, weird. I wonder how fun this is for the listener. Just be like, well, I stayed here. No, no, no, no, no.

And I was here. You were there. Yeah. Do you have any, uh, Kale stories, Taylor that? Not that I should tell on air. Yeah, right. Yeah. One day, Kale's going to come on here and he's going to speak his truth. And, and it, I, I,

I hope it ends well for him. You know, like, I hope that people understand Kale a little more that day. I hung out with him not that long ago when I had the best time. Really? He came into, he came into some gang vocals.

It's another level. Yeah. He was the life of the, of the session. Because we were just doing gang vocals and he was goofing. Did he do his voice? The thing? Which, what the

thing? No, no. dude but i thought about it he does this like burp voice thing that it's scarier than that that's not a fair uh comparison it's true it's straight up like like if if like corpse grinder it would sound like kale's crazy thing it's a demon voice it's badass it is it's crazy learned about kale. Yeah. See, he's got special skills. I had no idea.

He loves the Western bacon cheese from Carl's Jr. Can't believe Carl's. He's a car, because he lives across the street from one his whole life. I'm not Carl's guy, personally. You got Hardy's there? No, we don't have either. So it's like

it's a road thing for sure, which like, I'll eat it if that's the only thing. I'll certainly eat it before Subway or whatever, all the shit we always talk about. But it's not a go-to for me. It's a really good desperation meal. Yeah.

They got tater tots, right? They got tauts. No. But I think they have curly fries. You got a waffle fry. Oh, it's a waffle fry. That's what it is. A waffle fry.

Yeah. Taylor, you've been torn a long time. I think you were 17 playing in crematorium, right? Mm-hmm. I just didn't remember being. 14 or so watching you do that and Dan Dismal on stage saying he's fucking 17

Yeah Get it good good good get it good good get it good get it good get it good get it good get it I don't think I did that. This is an embellishment I didn't do that There is a video of One of the shows on the Vital Remains tour Of Glenn Benton throwing bread at us

After he trashed the backstage by himself and then blamed it on us, but even though we were on stage. He is a rascal. He just got up. He blamed us. Like, the promoter came in, pissed because he actually trashed the backstage

and tried to pin it on us, even though there's literal video evidence. I like to think he was sitting there, like, giggling doing it. Like, honestly, maybe. I got, I got a friend and mine.

Fallow boy was playing. This was like back when Fallow boy would play like venues and not like arenas. So like before they really, really broke, they were playing the Eagles, whatever, in Milwaukee at the rave, like the big room. And in the basement, Deaside was playing at the same time. So like my friend who would go out with Falliboy and stuff,

went down to watch Deaside. And before they were like starting, Glenn Benton was just like at the bar, like openly sobbing because he had gotten a divorce that day. Oh no. I bet they played the gnarliest fucking set of all the time. It was the craziest. It was upon the cross three times in a row.

His wife is who I bonded with the most maybe on that tour. Wow. Because I would sit and do merch while I read the last Harry Potter book. Oh, shit. Still in high school. And she would read her like romantic novel while she did merch. When we first met on the European tour, James was like, yeah, I heard. That dude drummed for crematorium.

But he's like so, like, that can't be true. Like, we like, James was like dumbfounded. It confuses, it confused people locally too. Because they think, I thought Taylor was a lot older for a long time. But he just found you, right, Taylor? Sort of. He would promote shows. So I wanted to get into those shows for free.

and so I would like sweep the floors after and I and he basically I hit him up and just offered to do that and he was he was down he was always cool about stuff like that because he like sporting the scene sure you were like uh hey um I'm free to sweep the floors and like I actually play drums too if he means no he's they he saw one round left play oh so he saw and god and one round left had ran random blast beats. That is true. Double bass. So he was like, you want to fill in for us because our drummer actually doesn't play our songs live? You were an early purveyor of putting blast beats in

hardcore songs when they absolutely had no business being in there. And now it's a thing now. That's the direction of the genre. Everything should be more than it was before. Stamped. stamped.

Trademark. It's technically on our show, so you can't keep it. I have never said that before. Yeah, but I said it doesn't matter. We're going to put it on a shirt and give you one. There you go. Okay. Everything comes from somewhere.

I'm going to put on. I'll give you one. Speaking of shows happening, this one's gnarly. The show is happening and then another show happening in the same venue. Yeah. I got one of those too. This is going to come to mind right away.

Oh, no. tongue's turn style were playing San Antonio upstairs in the big room Ky Lessa was playing their green room was in our part of the venue so it was like

they had to and we didn't technically have one even though it was like attached to our stage in the venue Oh I see So Mike Cesario who played drums at the time I was like Mike get completely naked and he didn't ask anything he just started he just did and he's a trooper

there and so and i i had my leather jacket and i put like a ski mask on and i like walked him like a dog and we sent kailessa a picture of and we were like hey guys if we heard this is your green room but like we're a little busy in here or something and then essentially they responded and we're just like you can keep it kids like just and they were just making snarky like adult comments. Yeah, yeah. And our show was sold out and there wasn't.

One time in, I think it was still in Illinois, but almost like Iowa. It's like way west. So maybe one of the, yeah, it's Quad Cities. But one of the ones in Illinois. There was a, like a fest in Harmsway.

It was like Harmsway and Expire like Headline. It was that long ago. And, you know, the show was, was like hot dog style, right? So it's like a long rectangle room and we were at the end of the long part in the long, you know, like you would think.

And then a band was setting up during our set hamburger style. So like facing people's shoulders, you know? Yeah. And like setting up because there was like an after show and it was like a punk, like a punk show. And dude, this is remembering all these parts. So it was literally like, thanks for harm's way.

And they just like started playing. Like immediately, which is a line check or nothing? It was like a punk band. Oh, okay. So it was kind of a cool, you know. You didn't have a line. But they were opening the after show. It was the after show.

Well, everyone left because it was a hard, it went from hardcore to some punk band. But they start playing immediately. And the singer starts swinging the mic, this and hitting people who are like, they were watching us and now like, like, like getting hit from the side. Hamburger style. Yes.

Hamburger style. And it's fucking crazy. Someone like gets shoved onto our merch table and it breaks. I've never seen James like that like openly, aggressively angry before. Like he just like walked to the singer. It was very scary. And then this dude Justin from Milwaukee just, went behind all their amps and just unplugged everything.

Wow. Just unplugged everything, unplugged the PA, unplugged every single thing. And then like people like forcibly stopped the band from continuing. What? Everyone was leaving and was like, what the fuck was that? And you just heard the guitar, one of the guitar players went,

that was a bad idea. That was the show. Who let that happen? I have no idea. The only person. They rogue set up. who besides like my band, who I know can vouch for that, is Tay Sue from, from Illinois who does like the rumble and stuff in books, shows.

She was there. She booked our first Chicago show. There you go. There you go. You remember that one, Taylor? She did? She booked that in Mao's basement. Oh, yeah.

Oh, shit. She definitely did. That was a great show. That was a great show. That was what made us decide to come back to Chicago regularly. That's true. Taylor, we talked briefly about how I fell asleep that one time. You remember that?

The sleep talk? No. When he slept through his alarm and us calling him, stay there. A fucking piece of shit, huh? Yeah, that happened. It's okay, I've forgiven you. You don't need to bring it up all the time.

It was literally 10 years ago. I've had dreams. that it happens again. I haven't slept since. What did we do? We just got a hotel by the airport and then got pizza the next morning. We got,

okay, here's, we got a hotel nowhere near Bo's apartment or the venue. Correct. We went to the airport because you can't, you can't stay anywhere outside the airport

in a big city. Yeah. That's how you're getting robbed. Yeah. And the thing that's weird about Chicago is like, there's no like hotels, like in the city unless you're like downtown and it's like the Drake or like something really nice.

There's no parking. And there's no parking like it's crazy. Yeah. Taylor, do you like touring with me? Brother? Yeah. Except for at 2 a.m. after the show at McDonald's Drive-Thru. That's the worst part.

Do you guys miss touring? I miss. Oh, baby. I miss 20% of touring. Yeah. I miss the. good stuff just so happens that the bad stuff is the 80%. I mean, that's the thing.

Like 8 p.m. to 11 p.m. is like pretty sick. Yeah. You know, merch is set up. I'm not doing it. We sold a lot. That's the day. That's the, no. I wouldn't even say that because they were like touring.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get the anxiety before the set. So for two hours before the set, I'm not having a good time because I'm thinking about playing. set and then I play the set two seconds in I start to have a good time and then the stress has left my body after I mean

but you don't show that I'm an anxious yeah I'm a silently anxious person but I mean that's why when disgrace would play I would throw up every time we played it was awesome because my beforehand I'd be so real with anxiety that my mouth would dry up are you gonna find

do you know of a video where you're throwing up you could look at any of them dude, Beau. You could make a compilation. I've seen disgrace play. I never noticed you. Yeah, because I just turn into obituary vocals for a second. It's like,

and then, but I put, I always pushed through it. I never stopped to puke. And it was terrible, but then that was like the hump I had to get over in the middle of the set, because after that would happen, I would feel better.

Like, oh, there, there it was. Dude, this was so sick. Once you, I enjoyed it. enjoyed it after that moment every time. If you watch a live video, it's straight up like, it's like, oh, I, defense of the pool. That's honestly happened in that moment of that song multiple times.

And it, but the thing is, like, I bet the listener is like, yo, he sounded crazy there for that. Like, they're not understanding that that was you, like, your larynx was, like, enclosing around bile. I was gagging. Well, no, so I never, nothing ever came up, but I would just literally gag on the back of my throat. It was bad. Have you, every time, every single set ever, right?

Every time. That's the whole reason that we, I used a microphone when we first started playing because I felt like I needed an instrument to hide behind. Yeah, microphone stand. Sorry, yeah. Need a microphone to sing, but a microphone stand to hide behind. That would have been revolutionary if you were like, I'm mad because I throw up when I saying I'm actually going to not use a microphone. I'm just going to yell ceremony style into the crowd.

I usually didn't stop. Sometimes I had to stop. There's actually a video from Oakland where I definitely clearly stop in the middle of the line and just don't sing it and then jump in the next one. But then when I jump in, I'm stronger than before. Remember the Oakland show that we did? That was one of the best shows we ever played. That was one of the, that was crazy.

I think a photo of that show is on the back cover or insert of our record. Gilman is so, I've never played a bad show. Goat, dude. It's the goat. I don't know how it's possible. I don't think it is anymore. They got to fix the cap. That's what it is.

They brought it down to 200 cap because of COVID stuff. 200 in there, dude. 200 is not enough. No, that's not good. There, I, we've played shows there with what? Four, five, something. Four or five for sure. I think the disgrace Harmsway show was over five, like around five.

Like there was a ton of fucking people. Yeah, it was gnarly. Is it true? Here's a bit of war that I don't know if people know about. And I feel like you guys would know. Green Day, right, provided like PA and money and stuff to Gilman. even though they're banned from Gilman yes

something like that they have played Gilman since though oh okay they'll do like a secret show or a party or something like that okay but they like it's because they like sold out is that they have rules in general there's a no major label band rule

so that's like why AFI wasn't able to play there later too gotcha yeah it's a general rule I respect the rule. Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's fucking dope that like Green Day still was like, well, here. Yeah.

Well, it's their shit. They love that. They're still a punk band, you know? Yeah. Yeah. True. They got a broadly rich. It's a really rich punk band.

Being an idiot. So you got to respect that. Dude, when that song came out, my dad, my dad was like, that's offensive. He's calling me an idiot. Just like, dude. You could not be more on the next. knows, dad. Yes. It's just for you. The point. What were you saying, Taylor?

I said it was just for just for Bose dad. He's the idiot. I don't want to be Bose dad. You were mistaken for Green Day, man. That's awesome beer. Oh, that's true, man. What happened? So for years, I got I got impeccable service at salsa and beer, right? Every time I went in there, I'm seated immediately.

I got two bean dips. Free soda. Sometimes they'll get, there was one time they brought me every app on the menu. Really? And the manager Juan,

who's now my homie, shout out to Juan, he'll never hear this. I don't see him anymore. You know what will be crazy as if next time I go, he was like, thank you with a shout out.

But this one day, he's like, you're in a band, but in a thick accent, you know, you're in a band? And it was like, he's not going to do that.

How does he know? And he's like, when my waitress said, she recognized you from Green Day. And I was just sitting there thinking like, which one? You were also like 22. I was, yeah, I was, I mean, I'm, I mean, I look a little different at that time. But, uh, was this skinny, skinny, Colin at that time. Yeah.

This, this was, this was, I was transitioning at the beginning of, or at the, at the end of skinny. Just at the end. Okay. The tail end of skinny into like mid-length. hair like gut but not full like octaubble chili dog

orderer yeah you know but I'd get there believe me but I never yeah I was treated like a king there and now now the the gods hate back cover which is sitting in the manager's office has cemented us

our legacy as as salsa and beer is that where it is I'm sad they haven't put it up yet I know it's I mean I feel if we weren't called God's hate, it would be front and center. You could just put the back cover up. You get a text, Bo? Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Read it out loud. Mm-mm-mm-mm. Read it. No, no, no, no, please, please. Sexy picks. Several. Nice. Nice.

No, no. It's your check from work. Yeah. Bo, you're on the clock at 8 a.m. every day. Why aren't you awake? What do you actually do? What? Yeah.

Today was 12.30. Well, how do you live with yourself? That's pretty cool. Don't hate the player. You know what I mean? He organized his life to work for himself. That's pretty dumb. Like Chase said, I customize my reality.

Customize your reality. Yeah. How's that going? Amazing. I love this job. Love in your reality? I've had it for a year. I don't know how.

What sucks is there's definitely a co-worker who watches this. Hey. Whoops. Well, if you're that co-worker, keep it to yourself. I'd just be making shit up so you don't know if I'm telling the truth. We filmed this at midnight. All that,

like all the videos and pictures from fucking Hellfest. Yeah. I have crazy fear of missing out right now. You're a FOMO? You're a foam? I'm a big fomo when it comes to like that stuff. Obviously, I don't have FOMO about like flying to Europe with guitars or whatever. I had a little bit seeing that outbreak.

Yeah. Yeah, that hurt because it was like we were supposed to be playing that. Right. It was like we had to drop for a show that Brody wasn't even on. Dude, I'm, I'm... Fuck. Oh, that was, that was Forbidden Door. Yeah.

By the way. Forbidden door is actually my fucking flight to the UK. Dude, I went to that and I got sniffles. Every time I go to a wrestling show, I get sick. Every fucking time. I got sniffles for sure and like a little. Don't come near me, man. Send me, wait a few days to send me your video if you could.

I don't want that to infect my hard drive. I don't want to, I'm not trying to slander any of the fest that happened here. But that fest turned out looked bigger than any other hardcore fest in recent. I heard a rumor of 6,500. Oh my God. But I still think the have heart show was more. But that doesn't happen every year. It's not, you can't compare it, dude.

Yeah, yeah. That's every hardcore person in the fucking on the continent going to that. And this is like that we have, our country's too big to do that. But I mean, I'm not trying to take away anything. But you can't compare the country's one festival to, we have one of those a week now. And there's half. You're not wrong.

But still, huge feet. Fucking crazy. Wish we got to play. Couldn't believe it. We played one of the first ones when it was still in Leeds. We did too. That was when Bolt Thrower got real mad at us. Oh, yeah.

You want to talk about that? Can I? Probably. I mean, did they, did they, was there of a court ruling? No. I never escalated to that. Yeah, never. So you haven't agreed to non-disclose anything?

No, not at all. They're also not going to see this. Yeah, true. You never know. You get the rat, the rat listener, just sending it to them. Hey, Memorial, check. I think Carl follows me on Twitter still. So.

Well, basically. Like, I might. I was watching on, no. Is your name Tyke? I can say I can say that like we did a we did a harm's way bull thrower like rip

this was at the time too when like tribute. It was a tribute for sure and I mean legitimately it was it was our fourth time in Europe we opened with the fourth crusade like it was like in theme you know. Oh it's poetic if anything. It really was and

this was also the time where like every like we had a type of everybody was doing like everybody And on a merch spread, there was at least one fucking. You had to. That was the one that sold. Yeah, straight up. And they found out about it and emailed us and asked us to stop selling it and to give all the money that we made to a charity, which we did, which was fine.

I mean, really, that's fine. It's kind of a nice way to go about it. It's definitely a nice way to go about it. They could have been much more angry. But it was like a bummer. Like, I remember Sabah replied to the email and wrote like a long thing, like, hey, we didn't mean anything by the. this we really like you blah blah blah blah blah and then at the end he like from harm's way uh from those still loyal it's like how we signed off on the that's a great it's that's like i would have read

that and then like keep the shirt guys you know and then the the response the response to it was like no need to worry about lawyers or anything like that just like do what we're asking and like it's fine so it's fine but you know they did that u.s tour a few years ago and we didn't know the Chicago show. I know that much. I don't think anybody cool open anywhere. They don't know that. Autopsy. No, no, no, no. The two California shows.

I know who booked the show. Oh. And I know why we didn't play. Oh, you. It was like a possibility that Fuck those blokes. I ought to lie in me show. I mean, maybe. Didn't hear it from them. How about that? I can say that diplomatically.

Well, I heard it from you. the guy who heard it from them so I'll just assume he said fuck them blokes but that was like what you guys did that was the time when everyone in harm's way went to a show and like the whole room was just a pit was the greatest

so awesome top three Taylor would you agree easily of all time it almost got topped by the candle mass show a couple years ago that was really I mean that was that was extra special because they used they had the fucking they were rocking the tuition cugs logos on their on their cabs, right?

Yeah, it was cool. And our amps. Wow. Candlemask playing with the full, here's the thing, man. First of all, like you didn't even know. I feel like it's a Southern California

right of passage to borrow the switching tongue's back line at this point. Happens occasionally. What'd you say? It happens occasionally. Every mom and pop band at this point has played in front of them damn logos. So that, I mean, that's fine.

But candle mask playing in front of them was like it felt poetic. even though it's like us like yeah you can use our gear but still which singer did they have for that one they had this dude Matt's Levin at the time he killed it

he might still be in it I don't know much about that band aside from the first record and then the second record like that's that's like all I really know you and you and most people yeah for sure so who is the the fucking robe

wearing guy and what happened Messiah. Messiah. He's the god. I think he just kind of retired. He came back at one point and then retired again. Dude, he came back for like a the self-titled in 2005.

And God, dang. He rocks. He lost some of his range and I believe that's why they didn't he didn't stay. But it's still rocks. He had that opera range like that. He had that like

that muscle memory type range where you, if you don't use it, you lose it. And like, and not falsetto either. It's all full on like chest singing. Yeah, that's not really. Crazy. Crazy band. Your guys cover. Yeah.

The twitching tongues cover. It's so good. Is it at Gallo's end? At the gallows end. That was a, motherfuckers act like they forgot about the tongues, baby. We put some motherfuckers on to some. shit, man.

Yeah. Dude, here's a question. Here's a question. Do you guys... Fix your chair for this one. Betrayed? Do you feel

responsible in any way for like typo, carnivore kind of resurgence into like what people are listening to? Because before twitching tongues and before like Sabah,

I never saw typo shit ever. You know what's funny is our second show ever, Sabo was backstage, taking a nap on the couch while we played and covered typo. And then somebody told him we did it and he was like legit sad. And I was like, who's this fucking loser? Love him now. But at the time, I was like, okay. Oh, is that when he was like living in Santa Barbara?

He was living in Santa Barbara. This is post-Bad-Cid. This was like like, like, like, Sabah's like, skinny bully era. Yeah. Yeah. In the like fucking North Face. And if he didn't know you, it was like the full, you got the full Wilkesburg

treatment where it was like, fuck you. So that was my vibe back. And then he became like a family member. Yeah. A month later. One time, yeah, we could tell Sabah stories. One time after a lengthy like spring tour, he decided to just stay on my couch for the summer.

The summer? The summer instead of going back because we had a tour in like August or something. So he's like, I won't go home. I'll just like, I'll stay in Chicago for a while, which like on paper, that sounds great. What he didn't take into account is like me and a guy who used to be in harm's way as well, this guy John Hofacker, he, Taylor, you met him, right? You met Hobacker. Yeah.

Yeah. So I lived with John for a long time. And we lived in like an old building where like the living room, the couch, there's no AC. So he's sleeping on like a fake leather couch. Oh. Sweeting. And he didn't have a job. He didn't have any money.

He had a roll. He had a roll of paid stickers. Would go to the target that was right by. Oh my God. Where I lived, grab like bagels and avocado and like milk or something and put paid on it and just walk out. The paid sticker was a great era. Like like multiple times a week at the same. place and never got caught and that's how he survived straight up what a legend legend of the worst

things that I haven't seen him in a long time he wrote um I don't want to say the name of that demo that he did before he joined nails but he wrote that in that apartment over that summer and I think one of the riffs ended up on that the last song on we used a couple of parts. Yeah. I remember him like, what do you think of this? I'm just like playing. What was the red? Yeah, the structures were chaotic. Yeah. Yeah. And then we, he came here at one point and we finished that song. Yeah, that makes sense. What's that song called? Soom Suik. Yeah. No, no one ever said it correctly. How do you say? Some cocks. I don't, I don't know. I said, I say, some sweet, but it's probably wrong because it's not Spanish.

Taylor, do you know how much I love that record? No. Cool. That Abandon All Life is genuinely one of my favorite records, like, of all time. Nice. It's a double listener. It's like, it's like, yeah, because it's 17 minutes long. Like, he just started over.

Wow. That's how that record is for me. I like it, too. It's pretty cool. I think it's my worst drumming. Oh, really? Yeah, because we got home, I got home from a twitching tongues tour, practiced for two weeks, and then we left for recording.

So I just didn't have the stamina. Oh, right. I think absolute control, the 45-second song, is split in like four punches. Oh, and only you know that. Yeah. So you hear that. You hear that and you don't hear what we hear.

Is that? Yeah. So you just hear I punched in there. I punched in there. I punched in there. I don't know where the punches are because Kurt did it, but I did not play that song in one seamless take. I can't believe you're sharing that.

That's so embarrassing. I don't give a fuck. I mean, Cannibal, the Twishing Tongue song on Disharmonie is, so I had to play drums because Mike wasn't ready. ready for that one. Neither was kale we found out. But that that was like punch city. And I think I think we got we got two guys like twice and just used it every time.

Right? There's more than that, but it's it's pretty spicy. All right. Three times. There's some spider webs in there. Three time. So Taylor, what's your favorite thing right now? Primus.

What? Primus. Primus. Primus? You're back on Primus. I am so, well, because I did the MS Paint record. Uh-huh. They are a bass-driven band.

I was like, man, this makes me want to listen to Primus, and I just haven't stopped. I haven't stopped. That's crazy. This was like when we were growing up as young lads, Taylor and I shared a bedroom. This is some, these are some stories I could tell. I got thousands of these. first of all in middle school but oh this is pre-middle school was when taylor was in the primus i was probably

what eight you were 12 as a primus fan you've never not been into primus but that was when i was when you got it you were like a primus god yeah so i i i grew up to the to the like the sweet sounds like playing with a fucking ball yeah hearing about Winona's big brown beaver. But when I was in middle school. You didn't even get it, man. I got it eventually.

I get it. I got it. I get it. I got it. I was, I had to, Taylor and I shared a room perpetually until I was like, what, 16? So the house I'm in right now.

Yeah. So we moved. Wow. Really? Yeah. We shared a room like forever. So we were mortal enemies. Essentially, I, I go play with your toys in the corner.

Yeah, for basically. So I slept in a closet in our room for like a year. You didn't sleep in there. You fell asleep in there. No, I slept in there. I chose to sleep in there because it was where the one place I could be. You just kept the wrestling ring in there. So all your wrestlers were in there and you were battling.

And you fell asleep. Yeah, I put on incredible matches in there. I'm sure they're better than Vince McMahon. at the time. Absolutely, but also it was my one safe place, so that's where I slept. Also, so we had we had an Xbox, we had a PS2 in there that I was, Taylor

was like, you don't even understand how long Taylor's been on this music production shit. He was tracking his own love songs and stuff. Way long ago and I wasn't allowed to play video games with the sound on. Because I was

busy playing other mosh parts and just writing songs in one shot and not caring what it sounded like. Yeah. That, well, I mean, but you. My line six spider. So that in, in like middle school you were writing heavy songs?

Yeah. Oh, dude. Wow. You got the breaking perfection record, right? So can I play it on air? Yeah, but that's not that. I didn't write any of that. Yeah. I just played drums.

I just played drums in that. I am wearing a grimlock shirt in the promo photo. Nobody can take that from me. Yeah. Nobody can take that. That's crazy. I didn't get into heavy music until I was probably,

aside from like Slayer and Metallica, kind of heavy, but like actual heavy music until I was probably in my early 20s. It was Marauder. Early 20s? Yeah, dude, we were youth crew kids only. Oh, but you were into a kind of aggressive music. Yeah, aggressive music for sure, for sure.

But like, like, hate, I didn't listen. I thought hate read was like jock shit. You're one of those. Yeah. I was, it is jock shit. It's dope. But, you know, obviously I mean that in the negative connotation kind of way.

But like, yeah, I was all punk, all youth crew. It's funny to think about like James, like winning like a triathlon probably. And like, I don't like that jock shit. Poor 50 and being like this fucking jock shit, bro. Dude, his nickname for years and probably still isn't a lot of people's phone is youth crew James. That was his, I think on the first, I think maybe on the Harmsway demo, it says vocals, YCJ. I'm going to see what it is in mine. What did you say?

I'm going to see what his name is in mine. I'll tell you what it is in mine. James, just James McPligue. Hammers McPligue. Hammers, Mick, McPligue. I was hoping it was Plague, but it wasn't. I'm disappointed of myself. I want to tell that story, but we got to wait for Chris and James.

You're saving it for them. Mick Plague. Taylor what you like touring with Bo yeah you two are

the people I've toured with probably the most like I mean Bo maybe for as like in terms of people you aren't in the band or Bo for sure

he didn't play for arms way yeah you did yeah yeah in Europe was awesome

no way for him's way we talked about that the show where it was like an Austria or something. And like Leo was moshing really hard, which is hilarious to begin with. Because I don't think he's moshed since.

And like some your Austrian guy was trying to beat him up and you were on stage still playing going. Yeah. He didn't, he didn't want any smoke. Salzburg, Austria. Wow, good memory. Was that what it was? I don't remember what set that off. It was Leo Moshin.

There was like... I just remember his, though, the light leaving the kid's eyes and he was like, okay. I'll never forget it. Just riffing. Yeah, but I've never seen it since. I've never seen him do that. I was playing harm's way riffs. I know.

I was ready to go. Ben, no, no, man, get over here. That's right. I know that one. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Bo, do you remember, I remember, you were real mad at me for this. Oh.

we're going to talk we're going to share a sensitive story it's not sensitive to me okay but when what how do I bring this up politely well you're mad at me at the time I can't begin when amongst the rust came out I was not credited on the song at all oh really yeah no I don't remember that so I can assure you that was not related to me being angry with you because I have nothing to do with that well here I just got really loud for a second he was So I'm glad we have a witness. I remember you're mad at me for a second because the write-up, like when the single went up was just like new,

new harm's way song, check it out. Like not from you from like all the publications. And like I sing the chorus of the song, you know, that's the part that people go. Yeah. And it was like,

it was as if I didn't exist. And I remember you were like, it's a harm's way song. And I was like, I know. I don't know. I said that? You did.

I don't know. It's just, it's just, I, I listened to it the other day. Yeah. I actually Googled the words when you were playing here because I was hoping you were playing it. Because I love it. But I remember very vividly. And I think, I thought it was it, I thought it was Death Wish trying to diss me. Was that Death Wish?

Russ? Yeah, that was Death Wish. The, it would have been either Aaron who did like the post-human argument. and Rust art. It would have been Aaron or Chris. You credited me in the thing. Oh, but not on the line of the right. Oh, okay. And the liner notes, I was in there, but in like, like

the day the single went up. No, like featuring comedy. No peep. So it was just like, who is this guy singing the song? It was me and the boy. Shit the fuck up. I forgot all about that, so I don't think I was mad, mad. Average Farm from members.

What are you going to do, you know? I love the song. Can't change. You can't go back and change it. What did you say, Taylor? Can't change time. Yeah. It happened.

It'll get over it. Maybe the Roadcaster Pro 3 will have a time machine. I don't know what else they can do with this thing. So, Taylor, what's it like being a married guy now? It's cool. I like it. I'm just going to pipe you in on every episode. It's not much different than living together, having a dog.

and all the other stuff that we were already doing. Yeah. Just the worst stuff. I have a ring. Every ring I wear. That's true. When I go to sleep, sometimes I take it off,

but then I forget to put it back on for days. Absolutely riveting content for me. Yes. Yeah, that was your stupid-ass question. No, that was a great question. I expect you to be like, this one time we're swimming. How long have you been in that house?

Since 2006. That's one of great. graduated high school. That's when I graduated high school. Oh, well, yeah, we moved in as a family. Oh, I forgot. Dad moved on. People moved out one by one.

Got you. True. How many, how many, like, you can kind of see it on Taylor's wall there, everyone. He has done so many bands from all over, but so many Californian

bands. Do you, Do you have an estimation of how many records you've done? Records? Yeah. Released albums? Released? Yeah, whatever. Releases.

If we throw demos in there, I would literally never be able to count because there's some things that I did in one day, mixed it the next day, sent it off for mastering, and then it got released somewhere. And then 10 people heard it and nobody else. It was gone. It was in the wind. There's probably a hundred of those. so if like like seven inches and albums i don't know maybe two uh give me a rough what top five off of pop your head yeah that's a good question just like records that the pit has done that you're most like proud of you feel the most that i didn't play on yeah yeah i guess but

that I played on. What? I really do like the faith alone. I'm really proud of how that one sounds. That one, like, that was your test thing for the new board. It's right here.

You can't see it. Yeah, it was right there. And we were just rock solid ready to go. So that really worked out. Yeah, that was a good test. But that's not top five all time.

I'm not, not necessarily like the, the five things you think sound the best because you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna that's how i would gauge it though yeah i know i wouldn't gauge it by how good the the music is i would be for me it's like i'm a producer in the sense that i produced the sounds i don't really sit there and tweak songs that much i mean but if they sometimes you've got to ask for that you know yeah well or you know there's a general understanding before like There's definitely been 30 records where I've contributed things,

but it's not like the normal thing. Normally, I'm just shaping how it sounds. Yeah. I think about that a lot with your job, is that most people come in who play guitar and really don't know how to make an amp sound good. Yeah, well, I think that's pretty normal. That's what I'm saying.

They also have not used as many tools before. So it's, it's like if I just throw a pedal at somebody that they don't know how to use. They may not begin to know how to set it up. But I just understand things. And that's my job. I would say top five ever. I'm pretty psyched on about four of these.

What are these? I have a momentum self-titled. I really like how that sounds. Regional Justice Center Crime and Punishment. I really like how that sounds. You meant monuments, right? Monuments. Monuments self-titled.

Momentary. I don't remember which one he said. Dead Heat World at War. That's probably, that's up there. I'm just doing this because these are in front of me and you're giving me a question that's fucking loaded. Unload it. Section hate, pretty dope.

And then we got military gun, pretty dope. I like how all those sound. God's hate over here. You know what's funny is on the wall. right now to your right there's a secret piece of artwork that you probably hope that people don't see what skinhead one no the painting there brother nobody's oh yeah I can't talk about that but that's that's that's currently top three for sure that's got to be top one but we'll talk about that I mean it's every time I

every time I put it on it's top one but but I've already grown so yeah you have you got you got tracks or what I got, what do you mean? You got more? You got more written for that? No, I just meant I already grown. I've already done better sounding records. You think that?

That was done last year. It's true. That was a year, full year ago. Yeah. But cannot disclose yet. Very soon, though. Soon. Very soon.

Drain. Drain sounds good. Like that one. I'm at six now. Wow. I over-answered the question for once. What's the guy to shut up? What do you have been eating lately?

Today I had a chicken salad sandwich that my wife made me. Oh, you're sick. She made it. It was good. You're sick. I also had Ralph sushi for breakfast. For what time? 10.

It was 10. Grocery store sushi? Yes. Ralph sushi is really good. Well, I guess if you're on the coast, sushi is like, it can be good from those places. There was like two chewy pieces that I did not continue. you to eat. Yeah.

But that was from a different thing I got. The Ralph's, there's a Sherman Oaks, Ralph, where all the moms go, they got the best sushi. It's just all, it's legit good. I agree.

When I was recording, hazing over from Pittsburgh a couple weeks ago, they went every day and got Ralph sushi. Really? Every day. Pittsburgh sushi must fucking send. Because like you can get, sushi at the local at the grocery store that I go to but I wouldn't whole food sushi that's

fucking that's different you know that was I worked I was a fishmonger at whole foods what the fuck does that mean I've sold fish and butchered fish for a year fish mongrel fish monger that's cool did you ever you know did I just watch the boys like that episode where the lady puts her hands in the guys gills You just ignored the question. Did you ever? What? I don't know what the question is.

Probably not. You stole it? You never did it with the fish? No. That's disgusting. Yeah, that's really gross. I'm only going to tell you one time. That's the bo-fucked-a-fish sound.

It's elaborate. I did not fuck a fish. Okay. That's what guys who fuck fish. You wanted a first day? My first day, behind the thing I had to... As a monger.

As a monger, I had to stake out a catfish. Okay, so like when you stake something, you just like chop it as its whole, and then there are little stakes. Catfish have this barb on the back of their thing so that if something grabs them from behind, the barb goes up and they don't get swallowed. And the first thing you do when you're staking

is you put the knife down, slam it, and you cut off the head behind the gill plate. And I did that, and I had a cut, glove on because you had to. And they had these like industrial sharpened knives that were fucking like once a week these things would be so insanely sharp. So I put it down and as I went to do it, it rolled. The barb went straight up and it went through the glove and threw my hand. Really? Yeah, but it was like, it was like, it didn't go through the top layer, but you could like see it through it, you know? And then it got infected because it was a dirty catfish

and that was my first day. Day one. Day one, you got workers' comp or what? 10 bucks an hour, no health insurance, baby. Fuck, yeah. Fuck, whole things. Taylor, should have been more careful. Taylor, we need a clip for the show

because it's been really boring so far. Okay. I'm going to try a word association game with you, okay? Okay. I'm going to say a bunch of words. You say, the first word that comes to mind.

Fine. McDonald's. Delicious. Colin. I couldn't say it. Continue. Game over. Today.

Thank you so much. You've been watching hard lore. This was Taylor Young's first episode. Are we done? Last. Then our. Taylor, top three Roadrunner releases.

man what that's just not enough five okay I'm not going to do this in order no no yeah order is bullshit let's do we're going to do sepeltre arise and chaos AD boom combo there's two

machine had burned my eyes for show I guess three was enough honestly I'd have to like look at a list I don't think Here we go Suffocation Pierce from within And then we'll just go

We'll go obituary cause of death Really? No typo? No typo Oh see that's why I need a list Yeah Okay, let's do Typeo

Instead of Obituary We'll do But now which one do I do Which one do you do? I did, somebody asked me this question the other day. Oh. And I said world coming down, so I'm going to go with that.

Interesting. Yeah, think about, the way I gauge that is if I'm sitting down, I'm like, you know what, I'm feeling like a little music. Like, I might listen to a little music. Which one am I putting on? Right. That's how I know. But it's different depending on the mood because there's discography is so wide and different.

If I'm driving or something, if I'm doing something, it's slow deep and hard. Yeah, yeah. Turn a man. That's, it's, I cycle the most between lately. I've been, in the past like two years or so, been a big life is killing me guy. Really? I would say five years. Past me?

Yeah. I just, I don't think you've gotten off of it in a long time. Dude, I remember on the European tour that you were like, I was like, Like, really, it's good. I've never really listened to it. It's really just because anesthesia is so good. That's lyrics, man. As a song.

Agreed. I mean, the whole second half, starting with like, uh, fucking Nettie, this one? I can't do his, uh, that, that, that, I mean, Nettie, the whole second half is just insane. Life is killing me is a great song, but I feel like that's the one, that's the one people listen to and then they turn the record off. Well, I don't want to be to it. Is that the song? Is that, that's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking of.

I don't want to hear. I don't want to be, which is a great song. James dad loves that song. He just hates himself or what? He just thinks it's a good song. Oh, okay.

She's like, I really fucking relate to this sometimes. Sorry, James, I didn't mean it. I guess, I mean, I guess that's the episode,

right? Yeah. You got any closing remarks, Taylor? Do you have a good time? Well, no, I would say plan this better next time.

This is, oh, great. No, operator error, bro. Yeah, that's right. You're error. What's your favorite tour-related hardcore podcast?

This is the only podcast I listen to in the world. You've heard it here. The best. But I actually enjoy watching it because everybody that's on has been somewhat of a friend. Right. So it's kind of just like, I'm going to enjoy this more than anybody. Yeah. Yeah.

This podcast is literally for me. We're just, we're chilling with the homies and talk. And the visuals, I think, are. Yeah. What's the background going to be next, Bo? Oh, it's going to, you know what it's going to be? It's going to be that bring me.

That Bo sent me of him fucking a fish from Whole Foods. So we'll get that one up. Nice. Bo BFF. Your, uh, your, your, your podcast room looks bigger on this, on the screen. Colin.

Mine? Yeah. What the hell? you talking about it's really a really a small room this room yeah oh yeah it does it looks fucking massive it looks big on the screen but you you can cartwheel in here actually neither could you the walls right here oh oh well then why do you do that huh it's con gonna car wheel in the small room he's he's con what what is he's gonna break he's convinced we're not going to get any views on this one hold on

Hold on. Wait, where is it? I did it. Oh, fuck. Do it again. Nobody saw. You'll have to watch the tape, Bo. Thank you guys so much for watching Hardlore today.

Bo fucks fish. We will see you next time.