HardLore - TERROR & Brody King: From the Valley to the World (A HardLore Special)

Episode Date: July 23, 2026

HardLore and special guest co-host Brody King are joined by TERROR founders Scott Vogel & Nick Jett for a special excursion all around the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles.We learn all about the origin of the band, which started from the ruins of Carry On, and visit a few key hotspots around our mutual hometown that played an integral role in Terror’s story.We eventually meet up with Martín Stewart to discuss all things Terror and all things STILL SUFFER, their 10th and newest LP that released in this past April.This was something scheduled for Bo and I to do together, and I can’t thank of a more appropriate way to finally make it happen than with my LEFT hand man, Mr. Brody King. Thank you to Terror for joining us for this first special episode like this in a long time.________________HardLore: A Knotfest Series, fueled by Monster Energy.Shot, Mixed & Edited by ⁠⁠Steven Grise⁠⁠Title sequence by ⁠⁠Nicholas Marzluf⁠⁠ • Join the ⁠⁠HARDLORE PATREON⁠⁠ to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episode.• Join the ⁠⁠HARDLORE DISCORD⁠⁠.• Checkout UNPLUGS to learn more about THE best earplugs I have EVER used! (and you can quote me)_________________600:00:00 - Start00:01:31 - TERROR, Zomu Coffee00:02:46 - Nick Jett Discovering Hardcore00:06:44 - Carry On00:09:46 - Carry On Ending (& Reuniting)00:13:40 - Piece By Piece00:16:03 - A Change of Pace for Scott & The Magic of Nick's Garage00:20:02 - Scotts First Apartment In LA00:23:15 - Scott Meeting Nick & Todd Jones00:26:47 - Naming "Terror"00:28:07 - Terror - Life & Death Demo00:33:54 - Writing Lowest Of The Low00:39:17 - Bridge Nine & The Response to Lowest of the Low00:43:48 - Studio S, North Hollywood00:46:13 - Pardon This Interruption...00:48:01 - Worst Terror Show Ever Played00:53:11 - @NickGoDie00:56:21 - Terror HQ, Swinton Ave00:58:34 - One With The Underdogs, Todd Exiting Terror & Chaos at the House01:03:33 - Moving In & Remembering Terror HQ01:06:30 - Recording Without a Click Track (Hell yeah)01:08:23 - Recruiting Frank 3 Gun01:10:19 - Midnight Hour Records and Martín Stewart01:17:28 - Underrated Terror Records01:20:19 - Four Word Album Titles01:23:43 - Crazy Terror Shows01:24:28 - Terror At The Whisky A Go Go: A HardLore Investigation01:31:42 - Unconventional Terror Tours01:33:48 - Least Sane Member of Terror01:35:55 - The Current President of Scott's Tots01:40:10 - Cultural Explosion of Keepers Of The Faith01:44:40 - Reuniting With Todd Jones on Pain Into Power01:47:51 - Terror Parts That Felt Like Monumental Achievements01:50:15 - The Pit Recording Studio, Still Suffer01:55:36 - Recording with Taylor Young02:04:46 - Terror Has TEN ALBUMS02:09:12 - Advice For Younger Bands & People02:15:22 - Top 4 Breakdowns

So I says to Mabel, I says, oh, hey, hey, look at this. Oh, hey, guys. Hello, welcome. It's Hardlord Time. How you doing, Bo? We're here in beautiful Burbank, California today in the San Fernando Valley. We wanted to stop by Zomu Coffee, my favorite coffee shop in the world. And I'm with my good friend, my best friend, Mr. Brody King here. What a great day. Beautiful day. It's inside a pottery studio, Claytivity. And, you know, one of the best things about coming here is it's hardcore owned and you never know who you're going to run into. So let's head in and, you know, see what's going on. Whoa.

Oh, weird. Oh, my God. What a great day. This is Scott Vogel and Nick Jet from the official 2000s greatest hardcore band of all time as we, as decided on the show. Well, since we're all here, what do you say we just stop and talk about terror for a while? The thing I'd like to talk about the most. Amazing. Let's go inside.

Hello, hello. Okay, so this is Phil. He's owner-propriator of Zunglu Coffee. And this is what I'm going to order. This is what you should order if you ever come in. Phil, can I have the greatest latte in the world? Of course. Thank you.

Officially titled that as of now. So that's all you need to do. I'm gonna order what I think is the greatest espresso tonic, not really tonic. Let me get that. What are you into, coffee? You're like a sweet coffee? I want to just go super generic, I'm sorry. No, he's good at that.

I just want like a latte with an extra shot and oat milk, please. Thank you. Would you like it hot for iced? I'd like to get espresso. Yeah, I'm gonna do espresso. He's gonna get wild. Refined, cultured purists. We've also spent some time together.

I know what he wants. We're back here waiting on coffees now. You know, Scott, we've had you on for a three-hour, full-length episode that anybody can go back and listen to. Nick, this is your first time on the show. Yeah, I don't do shit. You don't do it, but you do, and that's what I want people to do a lot of shit. So I want to get into the early days of Nick and the San Fernando Valley. Because you're our godfather.

You're our vign stigma, basically, you know? Born and bred. Tell me about early days of neck discovering punk and hardcore in the valley. I guess I started going to punk show. My dad got me in a punk rock because he went to punk shows in L.A. Legendary J-Jet.

Legend. Yeah, we're from Memphis. I was born in Memphis, but moved here when I was like six months old. But my dad in Memphis saw all the sex pistols on their one and only U.S. tour back in the 70s. So he was into punk. He came to L.A.

and went to punk shows, you know, in the late 70s, early 80s. And when I heard something that was some kind of punk sounding, he was like, oh, check out all these records and gave me a bunch of shit to check out. So he kind of got me into it at first, and then met some weird punk kids. Your mom was kind of into punk rock, too, right? Both of them, they both went and saw Fear and X and Wild.

Seen their restaurants. Yeah, you were born for this. Yeah, but it was like, they were into all different types of stuff. So it wasn't just like only punk, but when I gravitated towards that, they're like, oh, check out all this shit and got into all the LA punk. Met weird punk kids at my school. Nobody was really into hardcore until I got to high school. And then I met a couple guys.

I met Sean Grine, who was the original drummer from piece by piece at Granada Hills High School. So we met and started hanging out with other hardcore kids. And then ultimately, they knew this guy, aunt from Silmar, who had a practice space in his garage. Because we don't have basements here. We don't have the privilege of the kid with the basement. You got a garage. If your parents let you take over the garage, that was like a bonus. Parents and the neighbors.

That's a holy space. Yeah, my parents, you know, they pretty much let me take over the whole garage. We had the cops coming all the time, like banging on the garage. I've seen it happen later. Yeah. But, yeah, Aunt had this practice space, and we went there to practice a couple times, and that's where I met Corey Williams and Todd for the first time at that practice space in Silmar. And were you already playing drums at the time? I was playing drums, but I was actually playing bass in the first hardcore band I played in.

When did Edgar come in your life? Well, I met Edgar in junior high school. We met when we were like 11 or 12. Another Valley legend. Straight up, dude. So we were playing in, you know, kind of punk, kind of like rock bands. He was, there was like a rock in Espanel scene like in the 90s. And I mean, there still is, but it was huge. And Edgar's still in it.

Yeah. And we, so I started playing in his band. It was like rock in Espanel. We played like house parties and clubs and stuff like that. So we've been playing a band since we were 11, 12 years old. That's awesome. I think one important thing. to is Nick's dad and grandfather played drums too.

There it is. They play as fast as you though? Not possible. Not possible. Nobody plays it. Nick's dad has played a terrorist song with us, right? No, we were trying to get him to. He was on tour with those.

But he played a piece-by-piece show. That's a cool. Set. We played like three or four songs in Woodies. Wow. In Germany. Schlitz. Schleitz.

Damn, dude. He fucked up, untitled for sure, right? Yeah, well, he played on a couple of piece-by-piece recordings. Oh, shit, I didn't know that. Yeah. So you said your first band, you were playing bass in. I mean, I played in just local bands from the Valley, punk rock, hardcore bands.

But when I started going to hardcore shows, it was like all these other bands were doing cool stuff, like going on tour and going out of town. And none of my bands did that, But, you know, ultimately, like, through Sean and I met Corey, there were like, there was an opening for drums in Carry On. And they were like, you should go try out. At that point, Carry On was like my favorite band. And I was going to all of their, you know, shows locally, whether it was in Hollywood.

There wasn't a lot of shows in the Valley at that time. So it was going to Hollywood, going to Headline Records. I'll carry on to Headline Records a couple times. I'm going to hit you with a classic bow rumor. So I know that you've never drank or done drugs, but is it true that you officially claimed to be straight edge to join carry-on? At the carry-on tryout. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. What they say, your edge and you're in, if you don't take it, you're like, well, they're like, actually the tryout was just me and Todd in a room. So it was very, you know, like tense, and I was like, I don't know what's going on. I couldn't imagine it being tensicotty. Super normal. I think they gave me like four songs to learn.

So we just like, you know, blazed through these four songs. And he's like, okay. And where are they at this point, are the seven inches out? Is the lifeless play down? No, this was like the self-titled seven-inch was out. And that's when I really fell in love with the band. Yeah. Roll with the punches and off my chest or on that record.

And so that was, that was. was out and they had just recorded a lifeless plague, but it wasn't, yeah, it wasn't out. So they had just got back from the studio and they're like, we lost our drummer, we need a drummer. And so at the rehearsal, we played through the songs. They were like, all, are you straight edge? And I was like, well, I have never done anything. And Todd was like, well, you got to be straight edged to be in the band. I was like, all right, well, I guess I'm straight edge.

And how aware of or into Carillon are you at the time? My introduction to carry on is kind of late. Like I, when I was living in Arizona and about to move to L.A., I went and stayed at Dave Mandel's house because he's someone I knew pretty well. And my friend Larry from Buffalo was living with him, and this is a good friend of mine. And he gave me a tape and a cassette, dubbed cassette. And one side was the no warning seven inch. The other side was a lifeless plague.

I obviously, not obviously, but I knew no one. morning because Buffalo and I've seen him. You're right there. And he, I had never, I don't think I've ever even heard the word carry on, but I was like blown away by that record. And this was a time when like

early 2000s, so big stuff like every time I die, bleeding through 18 visions. And maybe even American Nightmare was maybe the bigger hardcore bam and that's a little off center too. And I think Larry said like this is going to center you. Yeah.

And I heard it, and then I got the call about Carry On dudes wanting to start terror. Or start a band. What's the vibe internally with Carri-on as the record is coming out? Is the whole Ryan may have broke edge and this is not going to go well thing happening right away? No. I mean, I was totally in the dark with everything in that sense. But there was all these big plans. We were like supposed to do a European tour and all this, you know, all this stuff after the release.

Wow. You know, ultimately we did like the East Coast tour like right around when the album came out. Yeah, right after 9-11, we played CBGBs like, I think three weeks after 9-11. I'll hit you with another rumor. Hello. All right. Is it true that Corey was unaware that Ryan and broke edge when you guys played the last show and that it was kind of like the full demise of the band? I think that's, I think that's.

That's pretty much how it happened. We played a show at the Trubidor, like, December of 2001. And the next day, like, got a call from Corey. He's like, the band's fucking done. Wow. And I think that's how it pan out. And it sounds like silly or trivial now, but, like, it was a different time. And the record is so straight-edge.

How does it feel now to be playing those songs again with these four, the same four guys? It's awesome. I mean, I love hanging out with all those dudes, and I mean, I love the songs. I love the record. It's, you know, there's like, it's weird how you play songs, and then you might not playing for a number of years, in this case, you know, almost 24, 25 years, and, like, part of the songs are still, like, in your bones. Like, they still kind of come out naturally, so that's how it felt.

But, yeah. Welcome back. Hell yeah. Love to see it. Can I bring up a timeline? Please. You said that the last carry-on show was December 01. Yeah.

Because I think of the first terror show is April 2002. Yeah. So we, like, and we played a show, so we must, terror must have started instantly. I mean, I think, like, literally, like a week after that, that Troubadour show, I never, I never knew that. Todd was, like, hit me up and was, like, started a band with John LaCore. John LeCoy and singing from Barry Live is going to sing, like, are you in? And I'm like, yes.

But that was like a week later, you know, like, so it was kind of... That's crazy. I never knew it. It was that quick. How fast, because you're doing piece by piece at the same time at first. Yeah. Like the early days of both bands are kind of happening concurrently. I think piece by piece, like, we had already...

I don't know if we'd played a show yet, but by the end of 2001, we already had our demo and that was already in the works. Was it like the fallout of carry-on created piece-by-piece? I think it was already, piece-by-piece was already kind of getting started. That's just you wanting to be a frontman and do it something like that? I think we just wanted to do it like our separate group of friends. It was like Sean. What's the lineup? Was it Jeff Givens?

Yeah, Jeff, who's not a musician. He's on baseball. I'm sure everybody can relate. Jeff Corey, you just have your boy that, like, you're going to be in the band. We'll figure it out. You can go like this. Yeah, and somehow he actually was able to play. He played on the records and everything.

I mean, he's Frank Freigant's cousin, right? Not in real life. So it's in his... They can drink together pretty good. Okay, got it. Jesus Christ. This is maybe the best chance I'll have to talk to, we'll have to talk to you about piece by piece.

Because, man, obviously you got bad religion in 1980, and you got terror coming. But piece by piece, to me, to us, is the definitive San Fernando Bailey. hardcore band. We talk about it all the time privately and publicly. Tell me about the early days of the piece and those first two records. We were influenced a lot by striking distance. Like to me that was like the number one influence when the band started. When I saw them play at the Ohio Women's Club like in probably 2000 or something like that, it was it

was like raw fast and super pissed off and I wanted to do some kind of version of that and And then it was just all of our closest, closest friends from the Valley. We were all kind of valley people. But yeah, I don't know. We just carry on, you know, was kind of ending. And then we just wanted to continue playing shows. So we were like kind of just as soon as the carry on stop, we were just playing pretty much every weekend.

I feel like the early 2000s in LA, they kind of set the tone for like the rest of the 2000s. you know piece by piece terror Donnie Brooke internal affairs and like they're all like they're not like grain of what you said was popping off they're not super you know big breakdowns

they weren't like you like you said bleeding through or throw it out or anything it was fast as fuck hardcore hard as fuck hardcore more traditional but like to us it's harder than almost any band like I've seen piece by piece a hundred times and the line

I'll punch you in the fucking face. I swear to God, if I dodge Corey swinging at me, Nick's swinging at me. And it's like, I've been hit by one of them every time I've seen piece by piece. We used to punch each other. Like, Corey got me once so bad, I was like, I think I'm going out.

I saw stars and everything. Jeff used to hit people with his base. Like, I think we all liked the fast shit. Like, I mean, I guess when I first got into punk rock, I liked it because it was super fast. So, like, all the first hardcore bands I got into were really, really fast. shit. And you can tell in Terror demo analysts a lot. Yeah and I mean that bounced off

of carry-on like when I heard carry-on I was like this is so fast that that it's nearly it's like not sustainable to do the double-time half for that for the whole record. But I think that became like normal for us we're like okay that's to us that's what fast hardcore is. That tempo that speed so I think carry-on was like that so when terror started was like oh this is a fast part It also, I mean, it's very different from what you've been doing musically for the last, your whole life. John LaCroix and Todd have this idea. You get brought in before Nick, it sounds like. I got a phone call from John LaCroix.

Like, hey, I heard you're moving to the West Coast. I'm doing this band with the two guys from Carri-on. We've talked about you singing. Do you want to check this out? And I was done. I was like, all my bands in Buffalo. did a little broke up, did a little broke up. I was moving out here like,

fuck doing bands. Right. And then I heard this carry-on. I was so, it was like so weird. I was so into listening to the carry-on LP, and then I got this call. And I had no, I didn't know Nick,

I didn't know Todd, I didn't know anything. I was just like, this record is so good. Were you aware of any of the other bands, like piece-by-piece or anything? No, nothing. And then I... This all just caused my phone. I drove from Arizona.

I was like staying in it. I lived in Arizona with my friend Mark for like four months, just figuring out. Like when I went to stay with Dave Mandela, I was checking out L.A. I checked out San Diego. I checked out the bay trying to figure out where I was going to move. One thing I want to say, though, that just observing from the outside, when I first got to Nick's garage and I think all these bands like piece by piece, I don't know about carry on, but terror. Every time terror would practice, another band was leaving, knife fight, all these bands, because Nick had, a studio in his garage, he could demo things, but also there's just instruments everywhere and every

band could practice there. So I'm assuming from what I know, and this could be wrong, that carry on breaks up, but there's just this hub and all these people that just go to Nixon, I'll play bass in this, I'll sing in this, I'll play drums in this, because there was just like a million bands going on. And it was all brand new to me. But like in Buffalo, it was the same thing. Every band would be around, break up, and then everyone would still. Let's do a band that sounds like Judge. Let's do a band that sounds like turning point. Like, I feel like it was the same thing.

But his garage was ground zero, as far as I could see. Well, maybe we'll go there a little later. When did you have, you're not unapproachable, but you're like more of a quiet guy. You kind of like stay low key for the most part. And like, I feel like when people see piece by piece, they see this like maniac. The beast? Dude, the monster. The guy with dead at birth tattooed across his collar.

And fuck you on his back. It's like the two hardest back to back and jet just old English across the stomach. I don't know. Like who hurts you? Yeah, I mean, it's, I don't know. For me, it's, I guess I approach drums the same way. Like when I get on stage, like when we play a show, like, I'm like trying to hit the drums as hard as I can. Give like a hundred percent effort like throughout the whole set and put everything into it.

And I think so like if I guess when I'm doing that as a. front man or singer in a hardcore band. It's like, that's the feeling that I have, like I have to give that much. So when I'm yelling, it's not like I have this crafted screaming voice. It's like literally like I'm yelling at somebody because I'm angry. I could truly say that there is very few people that have the intensity that you do. Like some people, they put on a show.

You are visceral anger coming out of you. Our natural. You're doing great. And so many people don't know. And that's, you know, that's what we're here for. Peace by piece. One of our favorite bands. We're going to get into terror now, okay?

But I just need you to know, all right? Oh, look at that. Oh, shit. Hey, there is. The coffee man has arrived. The greatest cup on planet Earth. Thank you. The world's greatest latte.

I don't know. We're never been. Thank you so much, Phil. Thank you, Phil. All right, we're going to take these. We're going to go over to Scott's first apartment in the valley, and we're going to talk about the early days of terror. North Hollywood's.

We'll see you there. Scott, tell us where we are. So this is, what's the number? 5701 Clump Avenue, the first place I moved to when I first came to Los Angeles. Now, was it the name Clump that drew you to the street? It was honestly, the cheapest place I could find. Did you have a prize? Yeah, it was crud.

So when I left Buffalo, I was living with three other members of buried alive. We had a house apartment or whatever you call it. and I think my rent there was like 350, everything. All bill, all utilities, everything. So you don't have power in the winter, so it's like, it's not a big deal. So moving out here, the prices.

And I think what I paid here was like, it was the studio in the back. It was tiny. It was fucked up. And I think it was like 750. I want to say it was like 500. It was cheap. It was cheap, but it was pretty much the cheapest place we could find.

And I'm, moved out here with my girlfriend at the time. She was in Chicago. I was in Buffalo. We had decided when buried alive moved up, broke up, we were going to move. And we decided on California. Like I said before, we didn't know if it was going to be San Diego, the Bay here. I got the call from LaCroix. We did the first terror jam. So is that at that jam, are you meeting Todd and Nick for the first time? Yes. Yes. Walked into cold into a room, knew that were going to be a little bit younger than me. How much younger are they?

Ten years? We're nine years apart. Which in half-four years is... Eternal. It's pretty... Yeah, I was... I was 19. Well, we're here.

Speaking of this garbage can, they're about to pick up. One time, me and Corey were sitting out... I had, like, two little chairs back there. Watch us. And we used to sit outside. And me and Corey were sitting there. We believe we saw someone come and dump a gun in there.

It was this really bizarre thing that happened. You're in North Hollywood. What happens in Clump, baby. Maybe we should go back there. Yeah. If they kick us out, they kick us out. Yeah. So this was where I lived right here.

They turned, we just found out they turned it into a parking spot. In the laundry room. It was such a cheap and valuable place that two parking spots is worth more. It was literally, I think, just right there. And I had, right after we moved in, we got a dog, a rescue, from, I can't remember where. What kind of dog? His name, was Jules, I think,

after Jules from side by side. I don't know, but a mean dog, the meanest dog I've ever seen. Bit many people. Who did bite? Notably, who did a bite? Come on. Todd got a little bit.

Just a little. What was Todd for actually being bit by Jules? I think he was pretty mellow. Were you there? No one could come in there. The dog was crazy. If you ever saw the tear keep your mouth shut video,

the dog's in it. parking. We filmed some of that here, and I used to have the chairs right here, and Nick probably picked me up here a million times. So your whole apartment was basically the size of like a storage unit. Just that thing right there. Two parking spots. Would you, you think that was just it? Two compact parking spots. This first practice, you guys meet each other. What is your first impressions of each other? Nick, were you aware of Scott already from like buried alive and stuff? I didn't, I didn't know like the discography and the records. I just knew the band name and And people told me he's the greatest front man ever.

And even back then, I was like, all right, I'm down, you know. Wow. But, yeah, and then, I mean, just the first rehearsal, my memory is you came into the garage and almost right away, you asked me, can you go in there and just play drums? Oh, maybe it's. And I literally just went to the room, closed the door, and you were just through the window, and I just played something all by myself. I think I was just, I just, if you're in a. band a hardcore band with a drummer that doesn't hit hard and can't play a fast beat, you're not good. You're wasting your stuff.

So I was probably so in my head about the drumming and you're like, I got to get this out of the way. He's perfect. He's perfect. And Todd was perfect too. I didn't sing anything. I think you guys just ripped. Well, we, I remember the first time we set up and played, we played a mad ball. Oh, really?

We did a cover. The first song off a hold it down. Can't Stop One Stop. Yeah, we played Can't Stop, Bordstop. That very first time? Yeah, we're like, let's just play something. What's something we could play? Wow.

Which came out like a year ago at that point, you know? Yeah, which, wow. Yeah. But I think part of it, I mean, because Terror is tuned down a step from Carry On. And I think Madball was one of the main influences of, oh, it's tuned down slightly. from the typical E standard. Yeah, so Terror's D standard, Madball, tunes the D standard. So I think that was kind of thing,

oh, let's play something that's in this tuning, and we all love that record, and that's like that song, I think it was kind of a good example. The Genesis of Terror. What we wanted to do. I think we jammed for an hour. I think I went back to where I was staying in Arizona and said, what do you think about moving to L.A.?

And I think it was pretty quick after I saw them play. In my head, I didn't want to be in a band, but in reality I probably did. Not in your head. You're moving to California to join terror, to start terror. Is that like a conscious coherent thought? Like, I'm moving to California to start this band, or I happened to be moving to California and happen to be starting. I was moving to California to get away.

Just, you know, if you, I lived in Buffalo, what, 25, six years? Yeah. Going on tour and seeing other parts of the world, I was just like, I want to try somewhere else. California was beautiful. I was moving here without music. Once I met these guys, then I was moving to L.A. to do terror.

I would say in Buffalo, real bands, I did Slugfest, Despair, Baird Alive. So this is round four. Round four. You never know which one's going to be the one. You didn't think round four was going to last 25 fucking years. Jesus Christ. Yeah, did you think this would last one?

No. Did anyone? Like, how many bands have lasted this long? Like five? the 10 album I can I really say nobody none of them but terrible that's what I'm saying and I really have

I've thought about this a lot over the past year of just like who has this many good records and has been this consistent the whole time I don't think it exists many many those you know there's some that come close but it's a lot of work

exactly going into that first practice did you have any like was the name terror in the world at all? The actual name? Yeah. Like, this is what the band's called,

or did that come later? The way we got the name, if I remember correctly, is Matt Pike hit probably Todd up, me or Todd, we both knew him. But he was, in the early days,

Todd was really taking the reins of, like, getting shows and stuff like that. And it was like American Nightmares coming to California with striking distance and death threat. do you guys want to play three of the shows?

And I think we're like, yes. And he's like, okay, what's your name? We're like, we don't have one. And right here, I had the TV with a VH, whatever, a bootleg VHS that I bought from Rick to Life. And it said sheer terror really big on it. And I think I was just sitting there and just saw it and just thought terror. And I brought it up. And that was it.

It is crazy because it's such an iconic name, obviously. And it's, did you guys run it any problems with, like, like other bands named terror, like... Al-Qaeda, we never, and I think by this point we have to own it since we have so... Oh, yeah. It's up, but there was never anything else. The word loses meaning after a while.

It just becomes the identity, you know? Tell me about writing, the actual process of writing the demo. How fast did that come together? I think it all came together in a few rehearsals, really. I think by the time we got together, Scott, there was maybe two songs written, so maybe, I want to say, another face. and what have we done or something like that?

Were written or we did? Or they were at the beginning stages. So there was a couple things. So I think once we're like, okay, full steam ahead, it was write a couple more songs and then we had the four song demo and everything happened so fast too. He had the studio. Maybe Todd had the connections to get us shows.

We were all ready to go. Like everything just started happening and happening. Like Matt Smith design stuff. and he was, I think he's the original bass player. So he made the Eagle and the first shirt and stuff. He screen printed the first Territz shirts on. They taught and Matt had an apartment together in Woodland Hills. And the screen printer was on the balcony of the apartment.

And he screen printed all the first Territz shirts there. Which is still for sale on the most of the Territory. Eagle design. And there's one that Renee Knottsell designed. Renee from True Blue. That's like a gas mask thing on a like a forest green. Was the demo, did you guys put that out yourselves or did take over to that? We did ourselves.

Burnt CDs. Well, we went, we like actually had them printed because they actually... Oh, the actual diss. It was pretty pro. And what's the response like right off the bat? Good. It's working. Better than any band I had ever been in.

I think it was just like a beautiful merger of like, I'm a little older, coming from the East Coast. They're a little younger. They already got... the actual hardcore scene on lock here. Like, you know, at that time, I'm listening to, I was so much into like All Out War, Marauder, Mabal. That's all I was listening to is Stigmata at that time. And kind of fusing that where, like, they're more into, like,

floor punch and, like, striking distance and stuff like that. Stuff I knew, but I never really leaned into. And we just had this merger and it just, the energy, and it was just, just like, you could just tell from the first show that, like, just the energy. We just always had the energy. And they, they had all these friends. They had like a mosh team. They had a mosh team. And that's super important. Yeah, I mean, I think it was a pretty seamless transition from carry-on riding, at least for, I think Todd's perspective, like, into the tear stuff. The big change is tuning down a step to D-standard tuning. And that melody was

kind of, whatever semblance of melody was in carry-on was kind of... Yeah, I think that was, like pretty seamless. Honestly, hearing that another face and what have we done, being the first two songs, coming from Carillon, that kind of makes a lot of sense. Yeah, but there was like some obvious changes of like the

breakdown, another face is like a pretty heavy, stompy kind of breakdown that I don't think Carrion would do. So it was kind of like a conscious thing to do something heavier than Caron, but not too heavy. It was kind of our version of what heavy was at the time. Was Madd?

kind of on a hiatus and we kind of were like let's slip into the scene. They haven't come back yet because I mean I think just a year later they did come back and we played their first comeback shows. When they came out here

that's where Charlie showed up with his fucked up teeth right at this door too. It's an important place. How fast does Losa the Lowe start coming together? Yeah well we tour we pretty much went on tour right away because it was, I think we recorded the demo

probably like in February of 2002. Played our first show April, 2002. Played shows with striking distance, death threat and American nightmare like within I would say May or something and then we flew out and did

the Hellfest in early summer of 2002. Was that the tour with... No, this is before the death threat over my dead body tour. But we played. played our first East Coast show at Hell Fest. Did we also do a...

That was first East Coast show ever? Yeah. Burnest Fest was up there too, really early. Well, that was part of... Part of the tour. Yeah, because later that summer, death threat and over my dead body took us on tour. We did a full, like, I would say six weeks of the US.

And that was in the minivan, right? In a minivan, which we illegally hooked up a U-Haul trailer to you. I rented a minivan. We put a hitch on it, fucking drove all over stuff, and the engine burn out in like Indiana, and I don't know what we did from there, but I canceled my credit cards

so they couldn't charge me for the whole meeting. Everybody should do that. Probably not anymore. This stuff you could have done in 2000. I got away with it. Give it a shot. Did you have like a book of lyrics coming in, like, hey, I got these songs that I've written,

or did it ever just come together? Early terror. There was a point after like maybe one with the underdogs where it got tougher with lyrics, but the early stuff, it just came super easily. Like, I was so hyped up on the music and that the band was, like, hitting hard, hard, hard, just came out pretty easily.

But I don't think I showed up with anything. Thematically, was any of the early terror about frustrations with Barry Delah? Yeah. Lots of it. Wow. I can read some of the early stuff and think of directly who I'm talking about. I don't want to put it out there now.

You're playing shows again. You're fine, you know? Let's talk about it. about lowest of the low. Do you consider this LP one, even though it was a 10-inch or something? I would. Okay. Close in L.P. I mean, how many songs are on it? Our LPs now at this point are basically the same. Right. It's 16 minutes, but 16 important minutes. Tell me about writing this record, how quickly that came together, and why Bill Karecki was the guy to record it. I'm going to give a lot of the stuff to know, because his memory is much, especially about

The whole Bill Correcki Cleveland thing that, I mean, the things that he recorded were a huge influence on the beginning of the band, I think, the, you know, the Integrity Records, One Life Crew album. What else? He did the first Ringworm record. A lot of ringworm stuff. But we flew out and we did like some shows with the promise, I think, in Canada before the, before the recording.

Then we went straight to the recording. But I flew out to, I don't know where we flew into. I flew my whole entire drum set, which is, I don't even know as possible, but we just showed up with drum cases to the airport. Have you ever done that since? No. I don't know if it was free or very cheap, but they let us just check the whole entire drum set in at the airport. Dude, I've never even heard of that. At this point in your musical career, I know you already started recording stuff analog in the garage.

Was recording with someone like Bill Karecki, like was that kind of like, an aspiration for yours or was that was it just cool in the moment? No, I was definitely into the whole, I think I'd always been into like the whole idea of being in the studio going, you know, walking in a recording studio and seeing all the gear

and everything, you know, set up. To me it was always super cool. I had like recorded with Paul Minor early on like the band I played bass in. We recorded with him and that was the first time I went into like a big studio and saw all this stuff. But this would have been the first time like, you know, like we really, I was really recording something in a cool studio, and he had a

really cool studio. It wasn't the original place where he recorded all those, you know, classic Clevo records, but he had moved to this big warehouse looking thing outside of Cleveland. Did you learn a lot, working with him on that? I learned, yeah, anytime we've recorded with, you know, anybody from Bill Krecki, up to, you know, working with your brother. Like, I always learned something. It's such a cool way of, for me, being able to, like, take it and apply it to what I do.

Working with other bands is, you know, watching all these people work. Oh, they do this a little bit differently or learning new things. So, yeah, I definitely learned a lot. In the studio, I'm probably stressed out more than anything. Like, this has got to come out awesome. Hope my voice works. But I remember after we got a cassette of it and just in the van listening to it, it and being like, all right, it's pretty all right.

Pretty good. Yeah, it worked out. So I just remember at that time we were just playing so much and like touring and touring and like obviously if you want to keep building momentum, you need a record that sounds good and has the energy and that one worked. And I remember human furnace coming, Frank came with them and they were in full party mode. It was, you know... Frank was wearing a cowboy hat and the Ted Nugent shirt.

We're like, who is this guy? I think those times were a little bit less stress, you know? Sure. Everything was just happening so fast you couldn't really... Well, I mean, terror is not your job. There's no pressure. It's just like, let's make a sick heartball record. Scott, when you move to California, you know,

when I think of you, I think of, like, Dre, and I think of Nick and Corey and all those guys... It's funny with Dre because, like, I would see him all the time, and we would just say hi to each other, and then, you know, we both... be like drinking and stuff. And eventually, I think I just went up to him. Like, yo, we got to hang out.

And then we did. But I have a, can I tell this great Dre story from here? This is Dre from Donnybrook, by the way. So one time, we played at Studio S. He had the Donnie, that's the Wings Beer Sports, sleep in the van and we're not even on tour. So he parked the van out here. Was it a Terravan?

The Donny Brook man? I don't know. A van got parked here because no one could stay here with me because my dog was so crazy. We slept and drank in the van the whole time, but we must have came in a little bit because we were taking a weight, like a curling weight, maybe a 20-pound weight,

and we were spiking it into the floor just for fun, like drunk. And then when my girlfriend at the time came home, she was so mad because I didn't wake up to pick her up from the airport. She had to take a taxi. And when she got home, we had just spiked this weight in, to the ground like 50 times and the whole floor was fucked up.

So that's why- Did that's why they're still there. Was your floor concrete or was there a carpet? It was concrete with a carpet, but you could, it was, it was happening. What was the lineup for lowest of the low? People was, Rich Thurston, right? Yeah.

And Doug? Doug was in that early, wow. Todd, Doug and Rich. And then how was the response to the lowest of the low? Just continued steamrolling. Yeah, and Bridge and I bought us a van. Wow. He must have been the reason why we could afford Bill Karecki.

I don't think it was expensive. I think the budget was like $1,500. Okay. And we, I think we recorded, mixed everything in like three days. But Bridge 9 was popping. So we were just in the right. You know, that was definitely not, that was like a not me. That was like probably a carry-on, carry-over.

What were some of the other? other bigger bands on Bridge 9 of the same. American Nightmare. Death threat. No warning. It was like. Yeah. And we were, we actually verbally agreed to do the record with indecision.

Wow. Didn't we go out? Well, this is after Loa So Low. Oh, was it? Yeah. So with one with the underdogs? Yeah. Are you sure about that?

Well, maybe there was some talks, but after Loa So Low, when we were, I guess we decided we were going to probably do a different label after Loa So, though. Okay. We did have more indecision talk. We did. Okay. I thought we committed to do the first record, Loa So Low, with Indecision,

and then we backed out and had to be like, hey, sorry. I don't know exactly, but at some point we were going to do something with indecision. Is there any reservations for you being, like Terror being what it is musically, throwing double bass in? Yeah, that was.

That was strange because it was, I don't know whose idea it was. I don't think it was my idea. That's better off without you, right? I think it was Todd's idea. And so I always look at Lois and Lois kind of like a compilation in a way because it's the demo, the four songs that are on the demo. Two songs. From the 7 inch. From the 7 inch that we did on takeover records.

What are the new songs? And then we did three new songs. And it was, it was, keep your digital. distance and then two songs that have double bass in it better off without you and low so low and then the cover and i'd never i'd never played double bass before so it was oh you rocked it let's get a double bass pedal for the session and i we saved those two for for the last so we writing them you didn't use the double bass did you know you were going to do the double bass there we might have just like written them without any double base let's try it with double bass

in the studio. So that was Todd just being like, come on. I think he's like, let's try double bass. And I'm like, I could probably do it. Let's figure it out. Figure it out. And we did it in the studio. And because it's out of character for like that kind of hardcore, but it also recreates that kind of hardcore subconsciously in your mind. And then it unlocked the potential for what you could do in the future. And it doesn't seem like that crazy of a thing to do, but it is. For me, it was a big jump because to me that was like metal exactly it was like kind of punk hardcore to like if a band had double bass whoa whoa whoa whoa if a band had double bass it was like metal influenced metal

whatever there's there's double bass on as a hydrocoral for all the the purists out there but nick you're also a diehard slayer fan yes but that was like later on i would say like well not too much later on piece by piece is named after Slayer's song. Was that Edgar? Edgar got me into Slayer, Sepulterra. He is the one that got me into all the old school thrash stuff. Remember when we went to Japan and Edgar, the minute we got there, bought that Slayer. The guitar.

Within an hour of being in Tokyo. Had to have it. And then he also got a ticket for smoking on the street because he rolled out with his Jeff Anaman Rain and Blood guitar and he was like, hell yeah, lit up a smoke and we're like walking on the street. and 10, like, yeah, like street officials like surrounded, they all surrounded them in a circle and he's like, what's going on? They've never seen anyone like this.

A valley cholo in the middle of Japan. And he got a ticket and, you know, yeah. Fuck, yeah. All right, well, we're actually right around the corner from an iconic Valley venue that's no longer around called Studio S. We're going to go check it out, stand in front of there and see if any memories pop up.

Sounds good. How am we going to find this fucking place? We've got to just follow the vibes. All right, we're now here on Satsuma Avenue in North Hollywood outside of the bones of what was once Studio S. Even reading the word Satsuma sent chills that much fine. Tell me about what you remember from Studio S. Hanging out in the parking lot.

A lot of hanging out over here. It was great for me because when I first moved here, like going to the show, Showcase. Showcase. Showcase theater and Corona. Days away. It could take three hours. And for someone from Buffalo, that was like insane. Chain reaction, two hours.

This took me fucking four minutes, so this was beautiful for me. Yeah. And it wasn't really any other venues in the valley. Like kind of the Cobalt Cafe, but nobody really liked. That popped up a little later. Yeah. But this was like the one spot in the valley. where there were shows happening.

And it was kind of run by a dude and his girlfriend, so it was kind of like anarchy a little bit. It was lawless. It is funny because it's like I feel like so many hardcore shows now are in proper venues with bathrooms and places to get water or something. And it's like driving up here, it was like a, this wave of nostalgia. And thinking about coming here when I was 17, 18 years old, it's like, well, I probably should not have been around the corner from Circus Liquor.

in the middle of the night, doing the things that we were doing. The first show I ever played in my first band, I sang here. I was 14 years old. I had absolutely no business being anywhere near here. And it was awesome. And the door guy was the first guy I ever heard called Taylor Trailer. So that has stuck with me. You never let him live it down.

Never let him let it down. I remember I booked a terror show here once. And in my life, I've booked shows, but very rarely, and I did book a terror show. Who was on it? I have no clue. No idea. I just remember, like, I feel like there was a vibe. Like, they weren't paying the bands what they should be paid. So I can't remember who worked the door, but it was very like,

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You ever? Ever? Ever. Jesus Christ. When I walked off stage after three songs, because I was so drunk, I didn't know what was going on and Nick yelled at me. That was a low point for me. Do you remember where you were? The UK somewhere.

Was it hard to yell at him about that? I don't remember yelling. I thought Jordan yelled. Someone yelled at me. I think Jordan gave me. And it wasn't yelled. It was disappointed. So this was kind of later on.

It was probably around, like, Keeps of the Faith time. Important time. Mid-2000s. we got up on stage at a festival. I thought we were done and I sat down backstage and everyone came and said, what the fuck? And I was like, yeah, that was awesome.

They were like, dude, we played three songs and you said, good night and left. What tough. Like three songs in the set, you called out The Last Song? Keepers in the Fate. I was like, all right, I guess this is the last one. I feel like visually in my brain,

I can see Nick with his like, like smile, laugh going on in that moment. And those festivals, if you're not, sometimes you don't play the allotted time. Yeah, they probably had 45 minutes for us and we did seven. They were demanding why you didn't play that long. Sounds like a great idea. We should do that more often.

Anything come to mind for you? Worst Terror Show of all time? I think there was a show. We used to talk about this being a bad show. And we played a show in New Zealand where the stage was like this high. And there was like seven people there. And the PA stopped working like three songs in. And then we just like kind of walked off the stage.

and like just exit in the belly, like, let's just go back to the house. Nobody'll ever know. What about at StudioS? Things and shows that come to mind here. I remember I was on the way here. This is where I met Chad Gilbert, who did a lot for terror. I remember he was rolling up to the show with Toby from H-2O, and I met him outside, like right here.

Just like Nick said, it was more just like hanging out. This was like the... The parking lot situation. Yeah. It became... Yeah. A lot of hanging, a lot of drinking. I remember, did 100 demons play here?

I know there was a marauder agents of man gig here. I remember Pete was here. I've got to think it was for 100 demons. And we all walked to circus liquors, which is like a couple blocks. And I must have reached it in my back pocket to pull my wallet out. And he's like, hey man, you dropped a blunt. And I looked down and I just, oh, shit. It was a lot of like hanging out.

It was like. like nefarious I feel like the terror crew they created the parking lot situation well documented yeah there would be I don't know

30 of us hanging out outside until maybe there was a band that we wanted to watch and then we would just walk through the front door and we would just tell them

like we're on the guest list and just walk in like walking the building and there would be like a line of 30 people and we would just watch this set and then go

back to the van afterwards or... I remember some weird thing too, like right over here, Big Zach put a sticker on the back of some girl's SUV or something and she pulled it off and all the paint came off? How long does Studio S actually last? I'd only been a year or two years tops. Like it was pretty quick. How many times you think Terra played here? Twice?

For me, it was awesome. I just come here. Whatever. I could maybe even just ride my bike here. Did you ride a bike when you got here? I don't know because like drinking the drive is a bad. I've never really drank and drive, so maybe I just walked here or whatever. Okay.

How into drinking were you? This time, it's a hilarious. Yeah. This is a concept. Prime drinking. Okay. This era, prime drinking. So you restarted your life and you were, and alcohol was priority number one.

You're like, I'm going to do it a clean slate. I'm becoming an alcoholic. I kind of like gave up the weed and went straight to drinking heavily, which was not... And whose influence was that? The wonderful three guns. And then he left you. Now Nick, you claimed Edge to join Carry On. Has that ever been even a second thought since?

I think I just enjoyed watching the spectacle of all the crazy shit happening. And I also kind of like always wanted to make sure. nothing bad happened to people. So I was like, I'm the responsible. I'm going to be here to talk to the police when the police show up. Or I'm going to be here to drive everybody home after we, after everybody gets fucked up. He also was the person that would be like, what the fuck? No one's partying.

The straight edge guy shows up with Mad Dog 2020. So I don't know what he's talking to. I will also say that knowing everyone that has been involved over the course of, you know, the last 20 years, Nick really is the meme of the dog smiling in the burning house where he's just having a good time and it's just chaos around him. But then at the height of the chaos is when the Nick Go Die persona

I think really came to fruition where it's like you didn't need to be partying because you were the craziest motherfucker there. You would also know he was going to wake up without a hangover. Jesus Christ. That's true. It's very nice. Amazing. Was this a conscious, like, character that you developed?

I'm gonna say yes. Okay. This is like very beginning of like social media. Yeah. Like Twitter was like just started.

Instagram just started. And it was kind of like our way of taking the piss out of everybody. Like let's just post fucked up crazy shit on the internet and some people

might think it's real. We know it's a big joke and we're fucking with people but visit and obviously at the time where like you know you're not thinking long-term like oh I could post this on the internet and it'll be there forever digital footprint wasn't it wasn't exactly so it's but outsider's perspective well I was kind of an insider I was living with nick yeah watching the persona go on and off was always very funny because there'd be like some

people visiting the house Nick go dies on they leave the house instant change to back to Nick Jet. It was very comedic. I remember your Twitter bio when you were at Nick Go Die was something like I would like to meet Kill a Cam at some point. Did you? I never met him but he followed me on Twitter. Hey. And I that's a win. That was like you did it. Yeah that was one of the cool thing. That is a win. Yeah. So this is where you met Scott? I love this story. So I met Scott. I do not believe the story. I met Scott and Rockies. Oh, okay.

The Great Rockies. When Terror played there? No, you were just there, which I thought was cool. At the White, for Whitman's Airport? Whitman Air. Whitman, come on, bro. Whitman's, art. Another Keep Your mouth shut video staple.

I just filmed a movie there. That's where that movie was shot. It was at Rockies, and I was walking around the set going, you know, this was a venue. And all these people are. Edgar's mom owned the restaurant. Exactly. Rockies, dude. Edgar, it all comes back to Edgar. But I was walking around at this show.

wearing an all-out war shirt or something and Scott comes behind me I'm wait this is Rockies are here this is Rockies oh I thought it was here and I'm like 15 or 16 and Scott comes up behind me and just says dying breed and then points at me and leaves and it was like all right my fate is sealed and then he gave me and my brother's stuff for the next like 10 years so I might be the original Scott's top now that's like a two thousand dollars worth of stuff I get yes yes you fuck that shit yeah but I'm paying it forward now you know best 2000s hardcore man of all the time. All right. So now I think we need to transition to Terror HQ in a way. We're going to go over to Granada Hills to how would you what would you

describe this place as? Swin Nave. My parents, my parents out. Perfect. Yeah, Swin Nev. The place that started at all, we'll see you there. All right, we're here in Granada Hills on Swinton Ave at what was once Terror Headquarters. an important one. What comes to mind for you just seeing this house again? Chaos. Crazy. I mean, it was our home base to, you know, record and write and practice, like everybody practiced here. And then we had the recording studio set up so we can record our ideas, you know, right away. And this is pretty digital. So, you know, tape machine. We were rolling tape, baby.

Get the tape machine rolling, and we would record all of our ideas. So piece by piece, NDC, Wingsbeer Sports, is that all here? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Do you record Donnybrook here, too? Internal Affairs. We did that, there's that piece by piece, Donnybrook split.

I recorded the Donnybrook stuff here for that. Yeah. I did, like, you know, all the knife fight records. Backtrack, take offense. Yeah, and then later on did back. track. Relentless. Relantless? I did that in Australia.

I mean, they were here for a while. I think you recorded something here. I just thought of a funny thing. The vocals for one with the underdogs were done here. And Josta and Ezek rolled up with Jules Jordan and some sort of SUV. And did that here. What kind of SUV? I don't know.

It wasn't an SUV? I feel like it was some big ass white SUV. I don't know. Escalate. Is it true? I've heard a rumor, Bo-esque, that spit my rage and Joss and Isaac being on it is one of the things that led to Todd not wanting to be in tyranny. No, because he was already out, but he wasn't, he didn't love the idea. Okay. Which, I don't know.

We're passing. I wonder what he thinks of it now, honestly. I mean, it's timeless. All right, well, if we're talking about rumors. Now it's mine. Is there a rumor that Todd was tuning his guitar, broke a string, and then hurled his guitar at the wall and left. recording of one with the underdogs. I think two days in a row.

At Sound City's TV. You're talking a cheap, not a cheap, not a cheap left. No. So I can do whatever the fuck he wants, though. He writes, he writes iconic music. Just to get out of here. Sound City, not good enough.

Sorry. And Sound City home of Elton John, Fleetwood Mac. Tom Petty. Tom Petty. Terror. Twishing tones. You know, iconic spot. That was one with the underdogs was recorded.

Was it written here? Oh, yeah. I mean, I think we did all the demoing here. We had all the songs kind of worked out here. And then, yeah. So Todd told us he didn't want to tour, but he kind of wanted to stay in the band as a songwriter. But then when it came down to the studio time,

there was a little bit of stress. But whatever, I'm always stressed out too. Sure. Was one with the underdogs a tumultuous, time or is that one you look back at fondly? I think it was pretty smooth, right? Yeah, because, I mean, there was still a lot happening. We were touring so much.

We were getting all these cool tour offers. I mean, we got to tour with, at the time, I think, like, Blood for Blood took us out. Is this when the biohazard European tour is? That was before recorded. Which is, that's crazy. So was the first trip? Was Todd being out, was this the first big lineup change for tear? It was scary.

I remember I was like, oh, fuck. But then Nick gave me a demo of some stuff he wrote. And I was like, okay, we're going to be all right. Which was stuff for always a hard way. So riff-wise, was this kind of when you first started physically writing riffs? Is Post one with the Underdogs? Well, I've written stuff for piece by piece. Sure.

But actual riffing and trying to play something like Todd would write, That was what I was trying to do. It was the first attempt at it. And so, yeah, it was, you know, obviously. Hey, you didn't great. Talking more about Swinton. Yeah. So I lived here for five years.

Nick lived here for... Wow, five years. A little bit of lore about the house. This was your mom's house. You lived here with all the maniacs and Givens. Had like a half a door because it got ripped in half. They destroyed the house so badly that Nick's mom kicked them on. all out. Perfect. And then Nick somehow convinced her to let us rent the house again with the caveat

that we wouldn't throw any parties and that simply was not the case. Every Halloween when kids would come up, the parents would like kind of like shoe them away. They're like, no, no. Not that house. That's the party house. We have candy for the kids. What are you talking about? Yeah, it was. Yeah, honestly, I don't know how the house is still here because it looks beautiful. And Lightning McQueen lives here. Everything's fine. I remember two later instances where we were playing board games one time, and you got so mad you left your own house. I did, yeah.

And then Emily swears I farted in her nose, which I dispute. She said I was standing next to her face and farted, and I dispute this. Both things happened for sure. No, first one happened. Second one, no way. I would never do that. I feel like I've left my house at different houses because I was so angry about a board game. And then there was a Halloween where Taylor came dressed as you and you were already mad and I think he walked in and went

Well, like parties and you said not now There was a party where fireworks were going off inside the house. Yeah, that was that was that was Luis. That's what my mind went to Louise throwing fireworks into the house Edgar's Spanish rock band played in the living room sick I had to go rent a carpet cleaner the next day because it was just like soaked with alcohol. This is when you threw up on Ronnie's face?

No, no, no. Where was that? That was... I mean, yes, that was here. Yes, I'm saying. Every band from, like, 2010 to 2015, like, stayed here. Emily Chancellor ate dirt in the backyard.

She dug a hole with her mouth, yeah. It's a great house. Death threat stayed here while they were on tour once when my parents still lived here. My parents made breakfast for death threat. I thought that was like one of the coolest things. That's weird because Aaron stayed with Martine and Dre once and hung out with Martin's mom for like she cooked for him and stuff. I feel like there's always these like iconic like hardcore houses in different places.

Swinton was definitely one of them. Because it was one guy's out, one guy's in, one guy's in. At one point I had like three random Craigslist roommates that were absolutely insane. Different wrestlers. Yeah, different. Yeah, it was a weird time. You stayed here after Nick was gone? I stayed after Nick was gone, yeah.

You were the final resident, really. Yeah, I mean, I showed the house to the people that currently own it. Yeah, we just talked to them before we started rolling, and she said, oh, I still get Emily's mail. Pretty cool. When did you move into this house? I was 18, I think, so it would have been, yeah, 2000. So that's kind of right when you're this journey that we're talking about is starting to pop off.

Yeah, because I think when I moved here shortly after. I moved here is when I joined Carry On. And yeah, I remember practicing for the Carry On songs. I had a drum set set up in this bedroom, in that front bedroom. I set up my drums in that room and just on headphones. And I think I recorded all the seven-inch stuff onto a CD. Like I hooked up my turntable and put the set list together from the vinyl. I made the CD and I just had like a Walkman or Discman with the...

the CD was practicing the songs in that bedroom right there. And then, yeah, ultimately, yeah, this is where we were we first met for the first, you know, first terror jam. How long after you moved in here did the garage become the studio? Because if the drums were in a bedroom. Yeah, shortly after we moved in here, my parents, they said, yeah, you can build a studio in the garage. They let me take over the whole garage and my ex-girlfriend's father at the, the time was a carpenter and he the two of us he I helped them we built interior walls

inside the garage so we soundproofed it so it was really like I mean you can crank it up in there and you can barely hear a rumble you know standing right here did we record all a live by the code here the whole thing we recorded the drums at the studio in Hollywood and then we did all the all the guitars vocals here we were doing gang vocals in the garage yeah it was crazy when we uh started writing during the pandemic for Pain of the Power when I still lived in LA because I would I was in Burbank so I would take the same route to Granada Hills to meet him and Todd and I was like this is fucking bizarre like 20 years later it was funny on the way here the navigation was to have

it's going to go some weird way I was like okay this is not it get off a 118 no and then we got up on Spolvin and I was like this is this is it yeah it made me feel weird just pulling up so I really can only imagine how you guys feel I remember one time there was like an insane show at the Cobalt where there was a giant fight and all this chaos was happening and then like the next day Emily's like wake up something's happening. I look out the window and there's like 10 cop cars in the front. I was like oh no but someone had broken into the neighbor's house and jumped over the Cadillac and out our back fence so the the cops were luckily there for not me. This is one you also woke up driving to work when you lived here. I would wake up in my car a lot, yeah.

That's fucked up. That was very stressed out about being late to work, so the car would be on, and I just be like, I got to go back to bed. It's 2 a.m. I got a question to debunk. I believe I have said a million times the terror demo you play without anyone else. You just played. No scratch track, no nothing.

But this is not true. What's the truth? I mean, that could have been a possibility. I feel like you, because I've never seen anything like us. I think you were like play in the control room, went to the drums, but, la la la la la,

listen back. I think that's how it went. We've definitely done that before. So it might be true for the demo where we did that. But also, most likely was Todd hooked up to some, you know, guitar and he would play along with me

and we would record some guitar. I don't think so. I was, I was saying being in a band with someone who just goes, don't worry, I got it all in my head. And you're just like,

bullshit. And then they go in there and they record drums first, and it's just all in their head. I believe that this happened. I think that's how it was. It's kind of go somewhere. Because I had never imagined something like that. Yeah. And this is like the tape machine is crazy because it's, you only have so much time on the tape too.

So it's like, you know, you have to run in there and fucking hit the thing and whatever. This was a prelude, too, of watching Nick do a million things for terror. Like there's certain things that I could always do, but there's certain things I could never do. And he's like the person, if you ask him do anything, he's going to get it done, which there's a million things he still does. I feel like you guys are the perfect tag team in a band for that, because I feel like

Colin and I are for God's hate. It's like everyone needs the end to their thing, you know? Because I'm sure not the fuck going to go and help with the recording. So he's doing it all, and I'm just sitting there. But then there's other things that I can fucking get done. Like what? You know, gossip people make

shit happen. You lose Todd. One of the Underdogs is done. One of the Underdogs is out. How now does terror regroup and how fast do you kind of just keep the wheels moving? Where do we go for three guns, right? This is the entry of Frank for Tom. Yeah, Frank replaced Todd.

What replacement? It's crazy. Yeah, that was a power. I wonder if we said, we got to get a motherfucker. So Frank went from Ringworm to Terror? He was still in Ringworm, though. Yeah, and I think, I don't know. I don't think Ringworm was touring that much at the time.

so he was at home. I think Frank was working at National Tire Battery, one of those chains. So he was dying to do anything else. He was down. Yeah. That's when some...

The insanity picked up a level. Insanity picked up. In your mind. And body. So this was like a big jumping off point four terror though, right? Like, because I remember this was the record that I went to Best Buy and it was on like the new releases. Like the CD had a...

This is on a... A fake vinyl record, like, scratchy top. And it was available at Best Buy. It was amazing. This was Truskill, and he was, and this was when CD sold, so he could sink some serious money into us. Yeah. We had like a video budget where we weren't like making money, but he was pushing us with real money. Where was the Overcome video?

L.A. River? Yeah. How the hell did you get down there? That house also is where Dre took the death threat mug that got thrown. Oh. Those cabinets that don't exist in me. RIP, the death threat mug. We'll get what you won't make.

Dude, I've never seen it again. Well, I got a guy. I got a mug guy. All right, well, terror has moved on generation to generation, always found a way to regroup, always found a way to keep gone. So I figured we would do the same and go to the Valley's next generation hardcore hub

in the Midnight Hour Records. So let's head over there now and keep this going. Amen. We'll see you there. Hey, we're back here at Midnight Hour Records, the hub of hardcore in the Valley in 2026. Back here with Terror and some other now very special guests. Agreed. Come on in. Wow.

Hey, it's Martine. Martin. Martine of every man. Martine of Terror, God's hate, etc. Here for his official fifth hardlaw appearance. Wow. This is yours as well. That means you guys are tied.

You guys are both. You two and Dan Sili are the first three members of. I got a sixth coming up real soon, so I'm about to be in the lead. Maybe I do too. Why are you? You never know. Look, it is a competition and you're all winning. But welcome to the Five Deadly Venoms Club.

We're in it. Martine, you have now been in terror for 20 years. Yeah. How does that feel? I think it's 20, right? Yeah. I think this is officially 20 this year maybe. Crazy.

Feels, yeah, feels crazy. It's like a lot. lifetime, basically. Do you ever, do you guys ever think about how little time was spent as Terry existing without Martin? I didn't think about it until recently because somebody asked me, actually,

and I was talking about, I was thinking, man, Todd was in the band for about this much time, you know? That's Todd, like three years? Like, maybe,ish. Like, maybe pushing three, but like two, I would say more like two or something like that.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's something like that. He's recently made a triumphant return. So helping with a lot of things. But that is kind of crazy. So three guns was in the band after one with the underdogs. Going into Always a Hardway? Yes. And then Martin jumped in.

We re-took a band photo. How long was Frank in the band? Less than two years? It was like the fan thing. It seemed like a long time. Frank was there when we recorded Always the Hardway and we took band photos with him and then he dropped the bomb. Well, actually,

Martin dropped the bomb, I mean. You told Scott Frank was running Heyprud? Yes. Yeah, because backstage at the show place. It was at the showcase. My bad. Buffalo's got the show place. That was on the way back

from recording, because we did always the highway recording, did a tour. And with shows with ring one. All the way back to L.A. It showcased was the last show and that's where you... This is what 2005? Ish? Yeah. Like, right? Yeah, yeah.

Terra was like a huge part of, at least my life, but I think a lot of people, my age is life, because we would see bands like hate breed on MTV 2 or whatever. Like I know I will be heard was a big video. That made me know people are moshing. This is insane. I want to do that. But it's like if you went to a hate pretty show in that era, it's just...

Unmashable. Yeah, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is. You could actually express yourself that way. I definitely did. So terror was the band that was like, this sounds like Heyprey, but it has the shows that I want to go to. So yeah, this was a monumental turn in my life.

Now you're this indispensable tool live where you're singing, you're learning songs less and right. It's pretty fucking amazing. He is incredible. You guys have the craziest system of being a band where you all fly separately. You don't ever practice together. live in different places.

You live in different places and somehow it works. Do you guys practice independently ever? I got that. Before we tour? No for me, but. Since I am more responsible, before we tour, I get in my car. I try to do this four, three, and two days before the day right before rest.

I go in my car and literally turn on hay breed or marauder or something, turn it up and scream as loud as I, I kind of try to blow my voice out. So not terror. No. That would be the last. And I literally just scream at the top of my lungs and try to blow my voice out.

And then like, once my voice comes back, it's usually I can go. That's conditioned. For a long time. So that's my practice. I don't know if that's practicing, but that's what I do. What about you, Nick?

Drums are a thing where... I don't do, I'm so... I don't do nothing when I do. Yeah. He didn't make for a show. He just taps. It's muscle memory. You guys do tour a lot.

But that's a thing. thing. It's like we have three weeks off, like, you know, we're fine, we're good to go if it's that short of a gap between tours. So these carry-on shows are like the most you've ever practiced. That's a lot of yeah, we practice five or six times

and, yeah. And that's insane. Scott, let me ask you something. Have you had to play a, okay, as someone that has had to do this, have you had to play a terracet without Martine in it in the last two years? Yes, we did a show. We did a show

in the last two, three years with me singing, Nick on drums, Carl from first, hate breathe, first blood on... Perr. Guitar? Guitar and...

Not Jordan. And Chris on bass. How hard of the day was that for you? Because for me, when he's not at a Gansett show, I'm like, I'm going to die. Let me give you an even harder example. Anytime I play with Barry to Live,

it's because it's just me and it's like, Terror's muscle memory so I can go through it. And I'll just skip some of the parts with his terror where I know he's supposed to sing it and it's fine. But Buried Alive with no one and I'm not used to it. That's fucking tough. You gotta join Barrett-A-Law?

That makes me hear it. Playing with Buried Alive makes me realize how strong terror is. And Barrett Alive's no slouch either. I feel something similar, no disrespect to them. But when I have to go on tour with Sabalba play shows and it's like four people that aren't these guys and they're not as, like you said, responsible. Yeah.

And you just get thrown into this mix with four psychopaths that are just like, it's like wrangling cats. It's an oil machine. Zabalba is much like King 9. It's like, it's Voltron and they're missing the head. Yeah. So it's like... And I'm not going to be the bad.

I'm just along for the ride with something like that, but it makes you see things differently where you're like, holy shit. Like these guys kind of don't know what they're doing. Like you said, how crazy is it that we could literally, Tara could literally be like, you guys have a show in Mexico City in four days, and I would just know we would just show up there

and everything would be fine. Everyone would be there on time, get themselves there, and we would just make it happen. Even like when we were practicing, we would sound check with new songs on this tour, songs that we hadn't played yet, and we would get up there for the first time,

and are you guys ready? He counted off, and then we would just play it, and we're like, oh, shit, Pretty good, pretty good. Yeah, we know it. Like, that's kind of insane. I think it's just a testament to the longevity, you know? You are where you are for a reason.

Do anything for 24 years, you'll get it. On that note, after 24 years and 10 LPs, is there a record in particular that each of you thinks is kind of more underrated in the terror disguise? Hmm. I have one. Damn the shame. That was, like, the first record that I actually got to record the guitar track. on and stuff. Scott, what's your least favorite record?

I'll underrate that one. At the time. Record is incredible, by the only. We played so many of those songs, like, in those following years, and then slowly but surely, things just kind of like shifted, and we started playing different songs, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I don't even think we've played anything off of that in a while, but there's songs that. You live. Betrayer.

Occasionally. Yeah, occasionally. But there's songs I miss, and, yeah, like, that's... I feel like, musically that was the most, like, metallic hardcore you guys got. felt like it. In retrospect, it feels that way. The production, too. Yeah, it's super clean. The record is incredible.

I know you feel a certain way about it. It's for me, though, too, it's like that was my lowest point as a human being. The recording experience was fucking nuts. But the song let me sing. Is that where I fell through the table? Yes. The song let me sing is a great song. Oh, my God.

Do you want to tell this? I mean, long story short, we were staying at. Jesus' house, he has a house next to studio, we threw a party with who? It was just us. It was us, mostly, I was one or two guests. I was standing on a chair, chugging a bottle of wine. No, no, you're standing on the table.

No, I thought I was on a chair. Maybe you were on a chair. It was like a movie. I was standing on a, I think, a chair with a bottle of wine. It was just like, psh, glass table. Fucking Tommy boy. It's on film somewhere. It was recording.

We had a video of it. Here it is. Give him any ideas. There it is. You can't take it back now. They've seen it. After that party, I was

so hung over for two days. I canceled vocals for two days. I was just like, dude, I cannot do it. Then I was like, definitely tomorrow. The next day I was like, dude, I cannot do it. Yeah, that was rough. It was a crazy time.

What's your most underrated terror? I feel like the 25th hour really gets no shine, no talk about, but I haven't listened to it in a long time. It's good. I'm not sure. Still playing.

I'm not sure. still play the first song? Yeah. I remember the gang vocals together. I like that's one of my favorite things that Jordan wrote is the 25th hour intro. Yeah. The gang vocals you and your brother did and Ben Cook kept calling you the twins. The twins.

That was a Paul Miner's studio? Twins. There were like five years apart. That was... There was definitely a little bit there was like a gotta kill this guy. Yeah. I need the twins. But it worked.

I'm pretty sure Colin Taylor hated no warning from then on... No, no. The fucking twins? No, no. I'm a surf and a surviving guy. The end of the day, that's what it is. Okay. 25th hour.

Yeah, I could see that. When did you, was the four-word album title thing, a conscious decision? It was for a while, and then it went. Why? I don't know. I think it was an accident. Yeah, it was a coincidence, and then it was noticed, so I tried to keep going with it. And then at a certain point, it was like, this is dumb.

Okay. Almate. Or impossible. Did you guys ever see the Always the Hard Way Misheard Lyrics video that's It was on YouTube. Dude, it's gone. It's gone. Yeah, it was like someone listened to the song without reading the lyrics and, like, kind of made up their own.

And it was just like, it was fun. And they're animated sense. Yeah. Were the lyrics cool or funny? It was funny. It was awesome. I actually have a line in mind. It was like a little cartoon that went along with it.

Yeah. A line from enemies are mine. But Andy says 30 long years and I'm still cool, cool as fuck. It says cool. It says cool. Enemies in sight. Yeah. Anyways inside.

Sorry, yeah. What's the real New York is core. It's cool? Man. Because it is written and kind of sonically sounds like cool as fuck. But core as fuck is actually awesome. Yeah.

I would never say. Imagine me saying I'm cool as fuck. Was 25th hour your underrated thing? I think always the hard way because, I mean, it's fast. There's some like hard breakdowns. And I like, I mean, I like the production. For me, it's. I kind of special, I think, because it was the first one that I was riding a lot of the stuff.

And the layout is so cool. I mean, it was wrapped on your drums forever, right? The rhythm amongst girls. Well, you still have that kid, right? I think that might be at my house or something. No, no, I got it. You got it now? Yeah, that, yeah.

I feel like the rhythm amongst the chaos EP was kind of a big thing, too. That's cool because it's a gatefold seven inch. That is cool. And that was this transitional thing where it's like, wow, Todd's out of the band. Yeah. What is the band now? And it was still awesome. And it clicked with me.

And it clicked with other people. All this said, though, we have so much fucking material. It's impossible to, like, dude. But it's still good. When you guys are writing new records, is there songs where you're like, we will never play this life?

I don't think we ever think like that. But I think in reality, we know, like, we're about to go to Europe and I just, like, made the set list that I want to do and sent everyone. And there's three new songs on it, which means three songs have to go the garbage because it's not like we're going to play a 55 minute set i'll rather fucking well we've

had to in the past but what do you do when that happens stretch it out talk talk a lot of samples i mean yeah there's been longer intro there's been a 55 minute set i believe a european is that the longest terror set i think we've also just come to the agreement that we're just going to play as long as we want and if the festival promoter's mad then he can be mad Okay. It was a really long one that was not intentional, though. I don't know if you remember where you just kept coming out more songs. We talked about the opposite of that when I just went backstage.

You actually talked about that. Oh, yeah. He said the worst terrorist train you ever played. It was probably that one. Really? Yeah, it was crazy. The walk-up stage is a long one. That one.

I'll take the walk off of 50 minutes. I could see you being really mad. It was not. It was just, it was crazy. It was just. It's just so chaotic, man, but also... What about the craziest terror show? Like, I know, like, I've experienced some crazy terror shows.

I've experienced terror shows that didn't even get to happen. I remember... Those are good. I was, like, 17. And you guys played El Dorado in Lancaster. Oh, my God. And these two white power dudes started a fight with Drey and Martine. No, they started with...

They started hitting Marshall, and we jumped off stage. I watched Drey Chats. choke slam one of them through a table. Yeah, and it was awesome. A catering day had a catering table in the back of the room for something. But as your guys' fight started, it was like everyone in the venue just turned towards each other and started fighting each other.

And it was insane. The whiskey was pretty good. Let's talk about it. That was pretty good. Let's break it down. This is a hard lore investigative report of terror at the whiskey go-go in 2004, three? Three?

I think. Can you bring up the thing later that I'm going to say about this guy because he wasn't let me say it in. Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about the whiskey first. Describe this event from your perspective. What happened? From my perspective, all three.

My perspective was a patron of the show, wasn't playing in the band at the time, was just really excited to be there. Good tour, internal affairs, terror, born from pain, the promise. Shattered. Shattered. Damn.

Yeah, it was all five of those bands. And were you in Shad around at the time for that one picture of that? That was the only picture I've ever used. That was after a terror tour. I stayed in Europe and played bass for them. But yeah, so I was a patron there. It was already a band.

You weren't in the band? No, no. Shit, okay. And it's the whiskey, you know? Anyone who's gone there as a kid knows the vibe. It's like, it's the worst. It's the worst. It's great if you're poison or something like that before a hardcore show,

just never really was supposed to happen, I feel like, but they tried to let it happen. and security was just not feeling it it was just too much for them and they just like popped off hard and started like trying to smash kids around and stuff

and little did they know if they did it enough people weren't going to stand for it anymore and it just like it boiled over and they they got the shit kicked out of them pretty bad you know and it's like and you still can't go there?

I was I've been there since then I just saw Rose tattoo there not too long ago but I tried to go there like a couple of years after and I walked up showed my ID and the woman working the door she grabs my ID looks at it

looks at me she's like what the fuck are you doing here and I'm like what are you talking about trying to play you're still she like chucks it at my chest she's like get the fuck out of it before I call the cops and I'm like okay sorry and I what I'm didn't this create like a band from terror playing

West Hollywood for years? I mean, I would assume so. Yeah, there was an issue where pretty much any of the Hollywood, actually, a lot of, just LA venues, they wouldn't have us. I remember being at a I think it was the knitting factory. It was like the

first time you guys had played Hollywood since the whiskey incident, and it was like insane. It was a big deal. Yeah, it was a pretty yeah, was it a matinee or no? I don't think so. No, because they're in anyways, but yeah. How did that play it in from your perspective, Nick?

The whiskey. Yeah. So we, there was a show, a mad ball show at the whiskey, like a month before. And we were there, and there was already kind of boiling

of some tension with security. So it was kind of like, what's going to happen at the terror show? Is it going to be the same thing? And then there was something that happened backstage. Oh, yeah. Like set the precedent for the time. Money got sold.

The promise had a, their bag of money from the tour, and they left it backstage. And also the security brought us. They wanted to search the backstage area. So they made everybody leave and went back there and then the money was gone. So there was that and the tension from the shows previously a month before that. And then, yeah, ticking time.

It was just happening when we're playing. And then obviously there was a couple people that set it off that, you know, it turned out. I think what really boiled it over was someone from the warrior, Javier from the Warriors did a stage dive. And the second he landed. Yeah. These, I mean, those street guards were bigger. But they hemmed them up, and that's what it just kind of like exploded from there.

And then people just weren't. And the stage is kind of head level. Yeah, I remember there was selling in the streets, right? Some kicks, you know, straight to the head. So why do you fight a buck? Thank you. Well, I got locked in the van. you.

Uh-huh. So everything spilled out the side door. If anyone's been to the whiskey, they know there's a door right by the stage. Spills outside, but then they close it and lock it. And they lock the front doors, which is like these glass, right? Glass doors. And they just, like, tried to lock everyone in there. We're freaking out, like, yelling at everyone trying to get through.

And I just, I don't know, I think I kicked it or threw something through the window and broke the window out. So everyone could get outside. Allegedly. And there was just, allegedly. yeah someone someone broke the window and go outside and it was just pandemonium in the street

on sunset boulevard like cars stop just people in the streets fighting everywhere and I got into it with another guy in a living bus in the middle of the street and as were in fisticuffs

a bus pulls up behind me and starts like laying on the horn honking at me and so I just turned around and I hit the window and I flipped the guy off I'm so glad I saw that. And then he was just like, get out of the way.

And I'm like, yeah, you're right. We're in this one, in the middle of sunset forward. Yeah, so. And there's like an iconic photo of the police cars in front of it, right? Yeah. Yeah.

We made a shirt out of it twice. And the first time was like a long time ago shortly after it happened and there was a cease and desist, right? I think we got. Really? Yeah, they shut it down. Yeah, because it has like the whiskey marquee

in there and everything. And it's funny because internal affairs doesn't have any R's in the name because they ran out of R. Terror has been born from day, all these other shattered realm and a lot of R's. And ten of the feds. And then antennal offense.

How many times do you think Terror has played a show that Terr didn't get to play? I know there was an incident in Knoxville. Oh yeah, that was a 10 for 10 tour. Probably 10. First band that played,

the local opener called Fingers crossed, covered Marauder. So the 11th for 10 started this? Yeah. Everyone hit the pit. Same exact scenario. Security just couldn't handle it. It exploded. And then the cops came and shut the whole...

No one on the tour not to play. We played in the house, right? Yeah, we went to a house. Played a basement show. Yeah, at a local... I feel like all of these stories just fueled the, like... The mythos of terror and like, it's going to be insane. Which really hurts a lot of bands.

But somehow works for terror. It hurt sometimes. We just played the Metro, where we played with you got, twitching tongues and gods hate on the Drain Tour, with the barricade and my rib was so fucked up, but with that room, it was pretty unhinged. Really? Yeah, it was pretty unhinged.

I will say, as being probably the greatest frontman of all time in hardcore, you have a way of just commanding the crowd that nobody else has. Like, you could take the worst show with the worst people and turn it around. Thank you. Markor has changed a lot in the last 24 years.

Terror has changed a lot. Music has changed a lot in the last 24 years. But I feel like you guys kind of cracked the code on being the band that would just kind of do any tour that made a little bit of sense. They live by the code. You live by that code. When did that start, and were you hesitant to do it when it first started?

I think we kind of chilled on that. Now we, I think at a point we said, let's do tours more that we're excited about, more than go outside the box. But I just think there's a time when we were touring so much, it was like to go out with the same bands to the same people, we just kind of had to spread our wings and play the different crowds. Sometimes it was great. I mean, any crowd you put us in front of us, we're going to hopefully get them.

But sometimes we would just be like, why are we playing with these bands? Like, oh, I've been, I've been, I've been, I've been to many Ter-Mixville shows. Oh, yeah, and the people are wondering why I'm there as well, so. But I think from the very beginning that was kind of part of the mission statement. It was like, play any show, you know, like, we don't care. We obviously the first tour was Over My Dead Body and Death Threat, but then shortly after, we're on, yeah, we're on tour with 18 visions and throw down. Cephalic carnage and like hate Eternals.

What if that's like your third or fourth tour? Yeah, it was like all kinds of crazy. So that was before I was even in the band. But I, you know, as weird as it could be for a hardcore kid going to a show like that, I feel like you end up opening the door for a lot of those kids to experience hardcore for the first time. I've had so many people come up to me and say, I saw you on this, with this opening for this band that's outside the box, and look at me now and like just is a hardcore kid.

So that's the big win. And hopefully, there's their baptism. More than just music, hopefully mentally that changed them too, because hardcore has a lot of good internal things you need. That's the best ones. It's the best genre music of all time.

Who is the most and least sane member of terror? Oh, yeah. No, that's funny you should say that. Can we ask? Yeah, we'll get him in a minute. You, wait, you hear his list. He's in his oldest time at this point. It's so funny.

Who's the most sane and insane? I don't want to do this because I'm going to get... It depends the year. I'm not fair, though. I'm not. Yeah, it depends on the time. You guys have definitely had the craziest cast of characters, and I think it is a testament to terror. It's the fucking terror carnal.

Yeah, and the people that you've chosen to be in the band, I don't know of another band that has had as many member changes as terror, and, like, tomorrow you could play a show with Doug and Carl, and it would just make sense for some reason. Like how many people have come through the terror lineup that are just also welcome back? Is there people that aren't? You don't have to name them by names, but...

I think we're good with pretty much everyone. I can't. Nothing comes to my house. You just need to have an iconic hardcore frontman on base at all time. You know what's a crazy thought, though? Just think of the people that we've had on tour with us, like our road crew.

Oh, yeah. That's insane. The merch guy is like their own terror celebrity. Coveted role. It was like Chuck Eads There was Dan Sealy There was Smack Man Those were like

Corrie Staples of the band Eby's at the at the whiskey Smashing my fucking head open Like yeah Little Drew I mean I think it kind of shows That like

Terror isn't just like The five guys of the band too Because there's just all these people That have given so much To the band That are become kind of members Of the whole One might say

Terror crew Try to try Absolutely And Jordan is the least saying Yeah There's only one right answer Thank you. I was waiting to say.

Starting with the spelling of his name. Jordan. Yeah. When you just decide to change the spelling of your own name without ever telling anyone that, and then writing it on a government document to the point where you get stopped because your name doesn't match your real name. I'll accept this as a big win. You're doing good. You're doing all right.

If he ever sees that, his head's going to. We have one more special guests here. We have the current president of Scott's Tots. Streets of Tate. Tate from start today. Tatexate. Tate, could you go over by Martine so that he can get your voice here? Scott's current son.

Tate, Ted, I need you to tell you that, like, Scott. This guy's Tots is an institution that I've been in for 25 years. Many of us have been. We've all been there. And, you know, I want to welcome you to the society as it grows. You're currently the valedictorian of Scott's Tots. I'm almost, I'll be 40 next year. and I somehow went.

How was touring with terror? It was awesome. Everyone was super nice. It could have very easily kicked us off their whole thing, kicked us off the bus, unless we were annoying. These guys got to the point where they would just walk on the bandway and go in the fridge and take whatever they were. They went to the extreme.

Well, that's awesome. We didn't start that way. So I will say as being a young person starting in hardcore, 16, 17 years old, having someone like Scott is always an integral part. Like, you, you somehow see the ones that are just gonna be lifers, and you attach to them.

And then you feed them all of the information they need to know. And you tell them about dying, brink. You're like, this band, this band, this band. I mean, these guys had a lot of their own information already, some of the conversations. Well, they have the internet. Yeah, we didn't have that.

Yeah, it's, but it's still like, it's impressive. It's like, whoa. What are your four favorite hardcore records of all time? Ooh. Oh, it changes so much, but right now, age of chorals, number one. Number two, break down the walls.

Number three, through the eyes of the Lord. And four sets action. Whoa. That's a very good. I was really not looking forward to the last two and then he really picked it up there. His mention is sick of it all, the blood, sweat, no tears. That's a good one. That's a good one.

That's a good fight. You did good. But it changes all the time. Tell me about how you poach Scott's Tots these days, what you're looking for in your army that you're building. Shaved head's a great start. Shaved head, core shirt, the right attitude.

I mean, if you're like 20, you have to fucking mosh, or what are you doing? This is... These guys just all dive and mosh all day long. Like, what are you supposed to do? This is an official... This is an official...

Real deal PSA here. If you're under 30, get the fuck off the stage and be mosh and start to fend... or else what are you doing here? If you're over 30, the knees are giving way, the back hurts, the neck is broken. Under 30, you got time.

You need to be moshin. There's standing here while a band is playing literally here, doing this, does nothing for your life. I'm going 38. It doesn't even sound good. It sounds worse. It sounds better out there. You want to be pittin or there's no point.

You're contributing to nothing. Unless you're doing a zine or something, in which case you still shouldn't be here. Between 30 and 40, you still should, just not as much as under. Oh, yeah. There still should be moments that activate you. Some of my favorite things is when

Scott goes up to a young person and he gives him like either oars. He's like, Marauder Agnostic Front. And then you give him an answer, he's like, okay. He's like, he's like judging you somehow, but there's no wrong answer. You're doing good, Scott.

The vocalisms? I don't know. We got all, you can go back and watch Scott's episode, we talked all about those vocalisms. You got to trademark some of those. Get to work here. David Wood gets some royalties on all those things. Choink and moist.

Weird names. Weird words. He's got a couple in his vocabulary. What do you got? No, he's like wrote me that's choy. Okay, you're choying? Yeah. You're moist?

You're moist? You're moist? Yeah, I'd say so. Bok choy. Is he finally? Oh, my God. Oh, finally. He's super fine.

Dude, finally might have had the longest run in the end. You literally are. Finally. All right. Well, thank you, Tate. Thank you, Tate. You did great. You didn't stand over there.

Let's talk about the cultural explosion of Keepers of Faith and its impact on hardcore then and terror today. How do you reflect on this moment in time? I mean, I think that was just like a movement more than just like more than the music. like the logo, people getting tattoos of it before they even heard one song. Chad was really instrumental in the music, the lyrics, but also the movement. He had so many ideas like doing the gang vocals

at Chain Reaction and like... That's still one of my favorite things I'd ever have. It was like a genius idea. And I think at the end we didn't even use a lot of it. No, you turned them way down and you were sitting right on top of it. All those people felt like they were a part of it. Can we flash the photo? Of you two, like you look like you're 11 years old.

We are, basically. That's a good pick. You guys also had like, give us a reason why you should be here and you got to like email the answer. How strict were you guys actually with us? Be here like being. I think I was just reading the chain reaction. Send us an email to why you should be here. I was reading most of those emails and I think we were just like, whatever.

Whoever response can come. Whoever, whoever had the, like, the heart to want to respond to that, it's like, all right, come on, you know, like that kind of thing. Yeah. But, yeah, there was no actual. A lot of response was, the place was pretty full. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it definitely was. Yeah, I mean, I think there was, like, it was a moment in hardcore that everybody kind of felt like,

I guess it made sense for everybody to come together at that moment. The timing, the bands that were happening at that time, there's, like, obviously, you know, there's times where there shifts in the, movement and I think that moment there was something happening and it coincided with with the album and the message that that the album had so but none of that happens if the record doesn't absolutely kick ass as well which it does I mean you're still closing with the title track stick tight it's one of the biggest songs you played it live before you put it out and I remember oh we did yeah you did that's great you played it live at I think at chain before the song was out it was like

the day before the song came out. We filmed the video at Sound in Fury, so so maybe... But that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. I remember a thing where we did like a college radio interview where we like kind of

played the song and it got ripped off the interview. That's what it was. And people started listening to the song this is months before the album came out so people knew the song. Dude.

And it circulated amongst my friends where we were like, yo, terror has an all-out war part. Because anything that goes jinkin-kunk to me was all that war part. To me, that was like the first beat down on a terrorist song. Because I typically wouldn't write something like that. But I remember thinking Trapped Under Ice was the influence on that song. That's awesome.

And we'd tour with them so much at that time. And then that was like, oh, you can do a beat down riff. That's like taste. Not beat down. Yeah, it's not beat down. That's kind of hard and tasteful in a different kind of way. and like that was the song well according to

Wikipedia tear is a beat down band in any way so it's straight edge beat down band so is got to take you know I mean motherfucker okay yes dude stick tight to this day set staple for sure great record I remember also when Live By the Code came out

pretty fast after it was like a year or two maybe and you were very much like Live by the Code fucking smokes this let's go and hearing like your it was did you you produced Live By the Code? No, Chad was still...

Really? Yeah, he was on that record. I recorded... Okay. Yeah. It sounds like a Nick recording. So it was like very much of the, like, what piece by piece sounded like sonically at the time. I was living with Nick when they were recording and Live By the Code. I remember before there was even any music, we were driving somewhere. He goes, you want to hear the New Terra record? I said, sure. And he just put on a bunch of voice memos. It was just like him voicing guitar.

So like, okay. I think like there's the hard lessons. That's the verse riffed. And like literally that was the boy. Like, oh, here's the song. Dun toga-dun-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-. Like a voice. Got it out of it.

Banger. And speaking of producing, let's talk about terror reuniting with Todd for Pan in the Power. The process and the response from that record. I don't know exactly whose idea it was. It was during the pandemic and we were just all as free as fuck. Do you remember how like... Well, we started doing the garage cast, like these little podcast recordings in Scott's garage.

And Todd came to be a part of some of the earlier things. And that turned into us doing this live recording of old songs, which ultimately came out. on vinyl. Just on vinyl. It was like songs from low solo and one. Yeah. So during like the rehearsals of that, I think the idea came of,

let's strive. I don't know. Yeah, maybe there's a song that, you know. Has you guys kept a good relationship with Todd until that point? Or did it like fizzle away and they came back? How did that work out?

I think when he left the, like, was out, there was some time where we didn't, I didn't see him that much. And I was still living in L.A., but we were gone so much. I don't think I ever really had any issue with him,

but I think it's just we were so close, and then just maybe the word would be just like weirdness, like no one knew where anything stood, but I've never, probably when we were the band, we had some arguments, but I've never really had an argument with him since then, I don't think. People grow, you know?

Everybody grows and realizes why, you remember why he started this man in the first place and how good the fucking songs are. I mean, he's a genius. Genius. It's a fucking psycho genius. And, dude, and Pan of Power is like one of my favorite terror records. Yeah.

That's a good one. That doesn't happen. I feel like every time a terror record comes out, somebody probably in the guys hate group chat goes, well, they just added 10 years onto their group. Jesus Christ, I'm going to be 60. Brother, you're going to be in your 70s. The wheels will fall off on stage.

Scott. Just so you know. One time you wrote a record, or you wrote a lyric, what the fuck did you ever give? I gave everything. That was 30 years ago. That was true. So now you actually have, given everything.

Nick, as the OG co-songsmith with Todd, how was doing that record? I mean, to me, whenever I get to jam with Todd, there's like this, we click on certain things. Like, there'd be times when we were writing that record where we would play something. We'd come up an idea, all right, let's play it, verse, chorus, whatever. And then we would just stop in the middle of it,

and Todd would just start screaming. Yeah. Like, oh! Dude, the feeling. It's so good. And, like, we kind of hit these moments together where we're like, we feel the same things at the same moment. And so that was, I remember it happening early on,

and when it was kind of happening again where we were riding painting the power, I was like, okay, this feels right and it feels really good. My favorite part of writing a song is that moment. There's 12 notes in all of music, you know, and we somehow find these unique combinations of them that somebody, some have done before, specifically on purpose, or have never been done before.

And there's a moment when you crack that code that you live by where you're like, holy shit, I've done it. Are there songs on Painter to Power or one with the Underdogs or live by the code, you can remember specific parts that you remember scientifically crafting in the moment that felt like an achievement in real time? There's like a couple, like the song always the hard way, which we still play.

That one, like, that song, like, is one of those where it was written in 10 minutes. Like, there's certain things that just come together super smooth and easy. And so that was a song, I remember like, whoa, this is a really cool song. And it was done in 10 minutes. I love when that happens.

That's a miracle. Was having a corpse grinder on a song? Was that a Todd thing or was that one of your guys' ideas? How does that come about? The crazy thing is before that I was trying to get Milo from the descendants. So not on that song. Much different. It's Milo or it's Cornyndy.

I was trying, like I was reaching out to Bill Stevenson and it, I don't know, it never went anywhere. And I think Todd had the idea to get corpse grinder. Does that sound right? I don't remember. Was it? Yeah. Two iconic bands is making a perfect song. What if we could have got those two together on this song?

Hey, album 11 is just around the corner, all right? Well, that brings us to today for Tara's newest and 10th album Still Suffer, recorded at the Pit with my brother Taylor. So I say this is a perfect time. Let's head on over to the pit and talk about it. Let's do it. Boom! We'll see you there.

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Thank you. Come to midnight hour. We are back now. We're at the Pitt recording studio where Terror just recorded their newest album, still suffer, or to give it a classic forward terror album title. Terror does it again. Let's talk about Still Suffer. Where do we begin here?

How does this process start? The desert. Ultimately. In the desert, maybe. Yeah. I mean, ultimately, I think we had to like dedicate time to actually sit down and write. That was actually really nice too. So we had this idea of going to a house or a place where we could all get together and write together.

And we ended up in the fucking desert. Which part of the desert? What was it called? It's like Yucca Valley is a town, but it's near Palm Springs, kind of. Okay. And somehow the Airbnb led us. Jam in the living room in this house with neighbors and... Who was there for this process?

It was different in incarnations. Would you go on a spirit quest in the desert? Honestly, we were just, before we started, we were talking about knock loose. I think I saw knock loose do this. And they jam. I believe they jammed in the desert. I think I went to Vitalo and said, we don't have knock-loose money,

but could we make this work? And he said we will, we can. So we just rented a house in the desert. It was nice because it had a kitchen, a hot tub. And we went there a couple different times, like a week at a time or something. And Todd drove out there, like every other day. For him, it was like an hour drive from Corona.

So yeah, we would go out. I would fly in, Nick would fly in, and just meet up there and try to make songs. And it was really painless. It was actually, you know, like getting in a rehearsal space and trying to force out songs can be the worst thing. It never. I would, I say it never works.

Yeah, this was kind of easy. Yeah, I think the first one was like, let's just see if this is going to work. And we got so much work done the first time. we're like, oh, I think we had five songs, semi-complete in the first, you know, week or so we're like, okay, we can do it. And Nick had his laptop with microphones so we could demo things, and then we're demoing vocals.

He has voice notes on his phone. I got a lot of voice notes, too. I couldn't imagine what they sound like. But it was pretty easy. It was pretty nice. Nick, is it ever a challenge for you to, like, let the song escape and not keep marinating on it and working on it and working on it? Speaking from experience there, aren't you?

I felt the hurt. Or what about when my brain comes in and I start switching things around? That's got to be tough. I mean, that is an absolute nightmare. Yeah, that's got to be tough. You're a nightmare. I'm always right, though. I'm always right.

Sure. Because my brain goes to, if people don't mosh to this, there's no reason to do it. Sure, right. That's the only thing I think about. And I do think that is fair, but there's, it is, the longevity here comes from, like, there's like a lack of fear. in just making shit and getting it done and not sitting on it. Yeah, I mean, certain songs, they get done. Like, okay, this is it.

And then other ones kind of like, how did we change, you know, the transitions or this isn't quite right. Then there's 20 iterations of a song. I think there's a little bit of both of that on Still Suffer. Watching the clash of those things happen is crazy. Who is the clash off in between? I wouldn't say often, but one of the most noticeable clashes are when it's with Jordan because he's like, he doesn't really like a, yeah, it's like very, he can hold on.

Yeah, he can hold on. And it kind of like, yeah, kind of like, he's an emotion. He's a little rattles in a bit. He might get like the demo-a-dis thing. We're like, I demo this thing and it's, this was the inspiration and it's hard for him to like get out of that. And, you know, because we might hear something Jordan wrote and be like, okay this is cool but we want to do something completely different than the rest of the song and the whole band is unanimous in that or it's just like keep the chorus and everything else goes in the garbage you can just see him

even if he doesn't say it I get it like he writes I'm sure maybe like with no warning he wrote songs start to finish and I would feel the same way if I had something you're like most of this is bad but this part's good yeah no it's it's hard to hear but there is it is the the thing that I learned from this show is the like better is better aspect of writing is so important that like the whole band is sitting there going hey we all feel this rocks you cannot have an emotional attachment to something that's just not going to work true again speaking from experience again for sure speaking from experience painful long experience I will say you've got much better at it though sending the song and be like which version's better you guys vote is it's much better than

you just yeah but dude I said I would send three versions and then I sent two and by two I was like I'm not doing three this is the one. Hey but you know you worked it out yeah yeah we're getting there coming soon so when was we got to lock you in a room in the desert yeah yeah listen I'm open to it when was the decision made to bring Taylor into the fold to engineer it was pretty early on that was like a discussion right away it was like he was thrown right away thrown in the head of like this would be awesome and then there was other it was always like multiple possibilities. right?

I think right away or was it just like straight up to track here for sure. Yeah. I think the only thing was had to make sure him and Todd were in a good place

because it didn't know exactly what the relationship was. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. I think I think both of them were in a good place. They will both always be one of us. Yeah.

And it's nice having, it's got to be nice. I mean, I can speak from experience. Having an engineer who has like studied your discography academically in a way and as a fan

knows and understands what people want from a terror record to help go and he was like going above and beyond like analyzing everything and yeah

it was awesome there's awesome times where I've had to be like Taylor you're not the producer for this band like they're not paying you to be the producer he's like but this is what they need to sound like

you're probably making it for the best so yeah exactly yeah and then a riff gets through and then you never know. It's perfect. So only one song was done to a click track. There's a couple parts. I think there's like one of Jordan's the what what is the intro that we're playing the name of that song. The first song on the record. A deeper struggle. No, the deeper struggle intro, like the intro, because Jordan was like, yeah, he was crazy. He was so crazy about the tempo. I was like,

then just put the click track on. What's the tempo on your computer, whatever? And so that's why we did that to a click just to like get Jordan's tempo exactly how he wanted. The one song that's like kind of tricky to play and there's variations, we didn't want the variations in the tempo to be super noticeable was the fear of the panic song because it's, there's like a fast part and then drops down and there's a real slow part and that so that one was kind of that one is completely on a click. And then you got Chuck Reagan on that song, so I'm sure he's used to a click. That's your fucking guy. Right when you said it, I just started smiling.

That is amazing. Finally. He was so cool when we did that with him in Buffalo at the place I did the vocals. And he was just the power. It was a whole long story. The power in the studio went out and he just didn't give a fuck about anything. He's the best. Yeah, we were in like the studio has like an SSL console and they had it all set up.

And then the power went out. And we ended up just recording on a laptop with like a USB. interface thing in the dark. Yeah, something like that. But he was like, you know, roll with the punches, totally cool with it and turned out awesome. This record also features this man, Mr. Brody King. Finally. He is number one ambassador.

He is finally. Number one and two, me and Dan Sealy. That's right. How was that? It was, I mean, you know, Tara is my favorite band, period. Been going to Tara shows for... 22 years. You've been getting arrested at him. Getting arrested at him.

And I know Dan's the same way. You know, we were often called East Coast Nate, West Coast Dan type. So for both of us to be on the same song was a huge honor and accomplishment. So thank you. Right back at you. And it closes the record. Yeah. Very cool.

And Jay from Mindforce, who also supplied us with two beats, hip-hop beats. Right. So he did a lot, too. When you're going into a new record, do you have an idea of, like, who you want on it? Like, I know you told me a day of forever. You're like, you're on the next record. But, like, do you have, like, these people need to be on it? No.

And on this one, I just wanted you guys on the same song. But other things, it's kind of just like, I don't want to say last minute, but when we have the songs, kind of think about it. He had the two straight-edge guys yelling about alcoholism. No, that's a getting passed out. I needed my, I needed some backup. Who's backup? Charmy. You did drums at 606?

How was that? Sick-ass room. It's cool. I mean, I think the room is, like, modeled after the original large room at Sound City or Studio A at Sound City. And it's the same exact. And the Abba studio, right, Taylor, I think? Something. The what?

The Sweden, the Abba studio in Sweden. Oh, the band. Was like the other inspiration for the build. Yeah. Yeah. But ultimately, it's the same Neve console that was in Sound City. Do you think people will know what you're even talking about? Studio 6-0-60s?

Yeah, but we've talked about it on here. Oh, okay. So you are aware. That's a pretty big thing. The Foo Fire Secret Studio in the Valley that is like an invite only. How many days were there? Two days? Like two or three.

Yeah. I think it's crazy. Is that the one with the echo chamber room? No, that sounds like. I'm not saying Nick's ever done, but I all just hate when drummers are done in two days and I'm just waiting and I'm like, it's my voice gonna last, how am I gonna get through this? I hate it.

What do you want drums to take? take longer? No, I just am jealous. How long does it take you to do vocals? Do you kind of rip it all at once? No, I do it now, one song, one or two? I think on this record I did one song a day. So I did them in Buffalo, and I would just go and do one song and go home, and my voice kind of blew out on this, because we did like a tour and at the Sound and Fury terror

surprise set, I blew my voice out really bad. And I was supposed to do the vocals right after that and I went and started doing them and it just sounded weak. So I scrapped it, waited like maybe three weeks and started over. Taylor calls that first take grit.

That's what you get the best songs. I'm used to like starting and thinking it's going to kick in like two days where I two, three days where I really like it and then scrapping the first songs and starting over. But it was just bad. It was just weak.

How was that for you? Did you feel like it was the spiritual continuation of doing drums for one with the underdogs? Being at that studio. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was kind of, you know, there's all these similarities. Todd's there. We're at, you know, on the same console.

Yeah, so it was cool. Pretty cool. I have a question that I guess is kind of rumor-esque, bo-esque. When you recorded one with the underdogs, did you have some, like, weird? Didn't you use like a trash can lid or something? Like didn't you like experiment with some stuff? That was on the damn shame. The damn of shame.

It was influenced by the Bay Wolf record because they have this like percussion type thing on one of the fast songs. So we, I think Rise of the Poisoned Youth song. We like kind of ripped that and used a trash can lid to do some like percussion on top of the drums on that song. Speaking of trash can lid. Is your China on one of the underdogs the brokenest fucking thing? I don't even know what I use. Dude, it's wild. I love it that it sounds insane, but it sounds insane.

I could have been playing on, at that point, all broken symbols. Probably. Oh, I remember even on Loa So Low, I had the cheapest, I have those like Sabian B8s or on Loa So Low. Wow. It sounds pretty good. And just a weird little thing on Loa So low, the. I got a snare drum head. I don't even remember what I got,

but we put it on, we recorded one song, and it was destroyed. And so we put the old beat-up, fucked-up head back on and recorded the whole rest of the song. So there's one song on Lo So-Lo. I think it's another face

that has the fresh head. This perfect fresh-snared. And then all the other songs are like this beat-up snare head. Can you hear that in the record? You can hear it. If you go back and listen, you could tell,

oh, another face is like brighter sounding like the snare sounds totally different. Scott, I heard you fell in love with Oliver at 606. He's incredible. So much so that I can't fully remember, but I do remember this happening. I'm trying to get it together, but I was having. This was before, I didn't have to do anything.

I knew I was going to track vocals in like two months, so I was just hanging. You just found your tot. Is this a common occurrence with you? Like, do you start a tour and you find the guy, this is, This is who I'm going to, like, latch on to. Yes. But it's been a while.

It's been a while. Tate was your newest. All was start today. There's been some funny ones in the past. Like, like dudes from chimera and stuff. They just like really. They see your comments.

They go the other way. Who's your favorite guy, Scott? Tate. He's cool. Okay. Understood. All right. So.

10 albums is like, I need to stress, unheard of. What a fucking feat it is that they're still good. And like that you're still evolving while maintaining the terror identity. Is there, is restraint a thing you have to think about when writing songs? Like, what isn't terror writing-wise?

I think, yeah, I don't know. Ultimately, I think there's some garg rails that we put up that, you know, we try, maybe try to push that a little bit and then it ends up getting brought back to this thing that's always there. So I think that's kind of always there, but, you know, not super intentional. Sure.

I feel like I might be the garbriol sometimes. It can also be so simple as, like, if someone writes something, just the way they strum it, or just changing one note can make things so much different, So I think like I'm like everything's awesome But could you try just like a harder note here or like Strum it a little differently and then

I love yeah it's funny hearing The way it's described like like you'll say stuff like it sounds too happy or something like that You know it's like do it like this but there's it doesn't have the the word I don't have the text It's a non-musical brain But it's a but it's a it's the feel Hardcore only I know how you feel.

I have the same brain. I don't know how to play anything, but I can tell you what I like. Singers, man. Still suffer the title track. In the context of the terror set list now, feels like it's always been there. Is that makes sense?

Yeah, it's going off. It's great. That's like my favorite terror song in a long time. It's like something about playing it is so fun and just it has a vibe to it. It's, yeah, it's just, it's weird saying, but it's, really good. This is a really good song. Speaking of the set list, are there like non-negotiables?

Like these tracks have to be on the set list? At this point, there's a few. I don't think we ever talk about it. We just all know. You just know. There's like a handful like seven songs that we just play. Like, why wouldn't we? Like, our whole goal is to make the crowd go off.

So why would you keep that off the set? I will say last night, Colin and I were both going through the terror discography. And it's like, every, every record, it was just like, Jesus. Like, you could plug and play these songs that, you know, like push it away. Like, you guys haven't played that a long time. You can easily throw that on easily. And, like, there's so many songs on every record.

Early first couple years of terror, push it away was like the song. Now we haven't played it in 10 years. And you were like, bono-eat-eat-waters. Yeah. Not this time? Oh, my God. Not, like, was that just like a, I know for a minute. It was almost like things popped off too hard when not this time when you played.

Yeah, it would be. It was banned? I mean, it should have been, but it's... We've pulled that out a couple times in the last five years ago. It's not the same as it used to be, you know? It's like, every now and then, it'll just like, if the right moshers are in the room. Yeah. I know Colin said like hard lessons.

A hard song. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty staple. Yeah, that's been, that was a song that I tried to bury for a long time. And people wanted to play it. And now I just accepted that it's a good song to play. And people like it. The lyrics are great. I love the lyrics.

In terms of like the actual writing split regularly, would you say, Nick, it's kind of mostly you doing it? It's kind of varied over the last couple records, I think. Like, I don't think I wrote much riff-wise on Pain Into Power. I think it was a lot of Todd. and Jordan, and even Chris, wrote some riffs on that. And then the late it still suffer, I kind of came back into it riff-wise a little bit more than the last one.

But in the past, there's records where 100% of the riffs, you know, were things that I wrote. But, yeah, I think each record kind of shifts a little bit or just depending on where we're out with it. I got you. what advice do you guys have for bands trying to do this for the long haul and maintain a terror-like consistency? I don't know that's possible.

Maybe not just musically, maybe personally, maybe just don't be a fucking asshole, you know? Yeah, just actually do it for the right reason, you know, care and don't do it because, you know, the classic stuff, like looking for fame or money or anything like that, you know, no one's really getting that. But, yeah, I feel like if you enjoy doing this shit and you actually have a love for it,

it's just going to happen. I think there was a handful of moments where we could have given up or we even contemplated, like, do we still want to do this? Or should we still do this? And I don't know, I think we just, we always kind of came back to like, yeah,

we want to be here. We want to play hardcore shows. and so we just persisted through all those moments and came out on the other end, I think. I got some advice from me. Showing off that you can play your instrument does not matter. That's the song, and the way the song and the lyrics

and the energy come together. So sometimes less is more, in my mind. Playing ain't right, brother. I often say that terror is, the most important hardcore band ever, due to the fact that the career longevity, obviously, what you guys put out there and how, you know, you guys have always been terror through and through.

You've never tried to do other things. You never tried to be bigger than, you know, you were. You've just, you've become big because you stayed true to who you were. And because you guys have always taken out hardcore bands. You guys have taken out bands like start today or like, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly. doing stuff that almost nobody else would do is you take these smaller bands out

and you give them a platform to really jump off of like, you know, I don't think we would have bands like Backtrack and, you know, all these other bigger hardcore bands if bands like knock loose you guys took out and kind of put over. And you guys have never been afraid to be like, this is the next band and really boost them over you guys at certain points. And you've never been like, you've never had an ego about playing under anybody.

And I think that's massively important. Thank you. Yeah. I don't know. It's kind of crazy thinking about, like, having an issue with playing before someone. Like, I don't know. I'll play before anybody. Get it done quick.

Yeah, please get me home earlier. Yeah. I actually have a question. No matter what. And I know that it, maybe current Tara fans wouldn't know this. But there was like a five-year point where you never showed your arms during a set. You wore a sweatshirt every. It became more that you had a born-to-expire backpiece.

And then one day you just didn't have. Or back-piece. Trash-staff. It was more long sleeves. I don't, I have no idea. You just, that's just how it was. I just loved wearing long sleeves on stage. Shorts and long sleeves.

Still, like right now. Shorts and like a hoodie or something. That's my friend. favorite way to dress. I think at a certain point, though, I had, like, at a certain point, I had so much energy that it couldn't stop me. At a certain point, I was like, dude, you're sweating way too much. You got to free yourself. Will you do this until the wheels fall off? I mean, I think we got to say, yeah. At this point, I need you to. I always say in my head, it's not like we have these discussions, but if the shows dip and the energy is gone and we're not having fun, that's when it'll

stop. Like, I mean, we're so lucky right now. We just did like a seven week tour and like 90% of the shows were like really fucking good. So like why would we stop at this point? So we need everyone to stop caring. Stop coming to the shows and we'll go away. We will go away. Once you're at back surgery number six, maybe. But back number five is holding up just well. Please stop jumping on Scott. Please. Yeah. Please stop.

Please stop elbowing me in the ribs. That's the new thing. Oh, man. Yeah, you got any live pet peeves lately? Oh, man. Showgoing pet peeves. This one, where they come up to you and do that? Oh.

Yeah. Usually like a lack of self-awareness. It's kind of. Mashing the mic in the Martinez face. Jordan probably has a lot. He gets angry. He gets angry. I've realized that I beg everyone to go as crazy as possible,

and please come on the stage and please take the microphone. So a drunk of me would get mad. Now I'm like, to myself, like, shut the fuck up. You begged for this to happen. Yeah. So. Which member of terror, pastor president, has had the most stage rage? Is it David Wood?

He's pretty good. I like the David. I don't know if you, yeah. It's definitely David Wood. But he, yeah, it's the best with him too because he's like front facing. He's the nicest, most joyful person ever. And he has a switch. Grab him from behind.

People don't often see that is like, it's brutal. Yeah, he's a brutal guy. He's flipping you over the shoulder right on your back. I've seen a bass get swung and crack someone before, you know, he, yeah. But it's always like, I understand. It's always something that's like, why did that person do that? Like, why would you just get on stage and, like, grab the headstock of a man? I mean, that's stupid.

And just like knock it out of tune and everything. It's like, get on stage, but like just get off. Like there's an easy, yeah, there's, like you said, it's like, yeah, we call people to get up there. But once you're up there, you don't have to, like, lose every brain cell. And just like, do the dumbest thing you could possibly do. Yeah. So go bananas and jump off the same. All right.

So since I've got one last question, you got anything before I do my final question? Don't hit it. All right. So I've already asked everybody here their four favorite hardcore records. So I can't end with that. So we got to get creative here. And I want to know. amongst this crowd, everybody's four hardest mosh parts of all time.

Who wants to go first? I can because I will not lie. This was premeditated that this question was going to be asked. I don't want to surprise anybody, you know? All right, so I'm just going to rip through this. My number one, is it beholder of justice or is it smash your enemies? Like opening with that riff, how is that possible? It is pretty nuts.

So that's number one. I'm leaving the question with a question. Number two, like literally the band All Out War. It's like insane. It's insane. Like they just have mosh parts as choruses all the time. And I would say I would call them maybe the second most consistent band. It's insane, the mosh that they have.

Caden, I wrote these in my phone. Number three, Marauder precedes the masses. The key change, the whole thing is just perfect. Creator, creator. Yeah. And that, yes. Understand how I feel. Dude.

I want this man to die. I need this man to die. It fills me. Yeah. And then the last, I didn't want, you could go cold his life, stigmata, dying breed, more hard shit. but I wanted to go something different. So I came up with judge fed up. It's like insane.

Love it. Good. And the way he goes, I'm just, it's insane. So that's my. The existence of judge being, this is too hard to be, youth of today makes it inherently. Right.

Too hard as shit. To mean. Yeah, dude, it's very cool. Conviction and zero tolerance, though, are runner-ups, what he called? Yeah. Honorable mentions. Because for me, a band covered those right now with the rib,

I don't know if I could just standstill. That's fair. I've seen you be taken over. It happens. Less now than that before. Oh, yeah, dude, world collapse. That was awesome. Taken over.

That's up there. We'll get there in a second. Nick. Yeah, I picked some that were like songs that I'd moshed to, And that kind of came out after I was already super involved. So I picked striking distance fail me. And then down to nothing my disguise, which might be the last song that I actually moshed you that I got started getting punched in the back of the head.

I turned around. After I was moshed, I turned around and it was a girl. And I was like, I'm out of here. Never again. Yeah. And then I picked, take offense, no tomorrow. Just because not necessarily like that breakdown in particular, but that's like a tattoo on my wrist.

It's kind of like the climax of that whole record is like the breakdown on the end of that song. No. And then I picked off my chest just because I wasn't in the band when it was written. It's hard. And it's just hard ass breakdown. Super important to me. I did the same thing. I chose stuff that was less objective.

Because some stuff is just like objectively the hardest shit ever, you know? And so I tried to go with like something that had more connection to me, like my memories of like jumping in the pit and stuff. And like one of those is 18 visions from the first EP, the song Life's Blood. And just I have so many memories of just like my brain. brother and I just like, ruining the show. Ruining, ruining my show. Everyone around us, but like, becoming the boogeyman of Southern California.

Dude, Dre is the reason I, it was like, I guess I can't have fun to them. You see that drunken glaze and you're just like, he's not gonna stop. Yeah, those early like, early 18 vision shows, like late 90s and stuff like that, yeah, there was like a lot of, there's a lot of pits on that record. I can back Martin on this for anyone that's saying 18,

Visions because I broke my hand moshing to 18 Visions. I don't know the songs like that, but... Yeah, the first, that first EP is like one of my favorite records. Anyways, yeah, that, um, Candiria Faction, which, you know, there's probably about four breakdowns in that song. You're a big candor in. Chapters, yes, yes, I am. But the last, specifically the last breakdown of that song is like nuts.

And the way he like kind of wraps over it or whatever you want to call it is nuts. Oh, Earth Crisis. Hell, yeah. But I was going back and forth. It was either the ending of the song Asphyxiate, you know? Like, I don't know if you're familiar with that song. It's kind of like a deeper cut on Destroy the Machines. All about smoking cigarettes.

But lyrics are hard. The last breakdown in the song is insane. It was either the Adderickmore season ends, but not the straight-edge breakdown, but the breakdown in the middle of the song. my god it's crazy and then it picks up that's why you're honor then for

then for disembodied bloodshed rain like one of the most dramatic buildups you know I was watching whoop ass in Tim's too oh yeah that's right

I had a rain fest when it was in Tacoma yeah might have been one of the last times I was like actually You had you had braids They were fake tins though They were Brahmas from Walmart Like 20 bucks

Yeah that's so crazy Yeah my hair braided back then and so but yeah That like build up and then like It's like a common thing now you know You cut the music and there's one big vocal thing And it's like they mastered that You know at that point and it's then it's just the hardest thing ever And my runner up was gonna be

It's so objective but confide in no one Hate Breed It's just like insane like that last breakdown is so sick and then it breaks down even harder a second time. But then arguably the fast riff before that we were talking about it earlier, it's like somehow people don't think of fast riffs as hard. Oh, that's not shit too. The breakdown is the hard riff,

but like that fast, fast slow part right before the last breakdown is like, that gets me more fired up. That's why the last breakdown is hard. Yeah. Oh my. It gets me, you like know what's coming after too and just the way that the pace they played it at is so

perfect and it's just like gets me fired up. Yeah, so those are mine. Why don't you go next? So I kind of did exactly the same thing you guys did. What song would like teleport me into the pit? And this is in no order. My honorable mention is kickback, no surrender, because it literally just happened. Like that started playing and I was just like,

Caveman. Yeah. I was pitting on the stage and I was pitting in the crowd. So in no order Confide in no one was on that list Specifically for the reason you said The fast part going into it No one no good five

I hope there's someone like that watches this And it hasn't like really paid attention to that song Or heard it yet and they're just like Fucking blown away I think when Harlow had the hardest breakdowns of all time I said confide in no one And like God

It's unbelievable Yeah Yeah Hundred Demon's hard surprise Okay It comes out of nowhere and it whoops your ass. Yeah. God, every, almost every 100 demon song, that's something like that.

It was a real tie-up, like, infected and hard surprise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or, like, neck and neck. But hard surprise just comes out of nowhere and it's just, it's so good. Trapped under ice, jail. Oh, okay. I mean, there's a lot of trapped under ice songs that could be on it. But jail is just ass beater the whole time for a minute and 30 seconds.

Am I crazy? Didn't Little Zach coin the name of that song, Jail? Because before they had lyrics or anything written for it, and he heard the track, it was like, someone's going to go to jail during this song. I don't know. I feel like that, I don't know. Maybe I'm, like, totally making that up,

but we got to try to confirm that. I believe that's the story. Unbelievable full breakdown part. Yeah. And I would say my number one is King Nine, No Dreams. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It makes me feel homicidal.

That's the last time I was. Actually in Amash Pit. Was their record release show for Scared to Death on Long Island. And I like hurt someone, hurt myself, fell down. And it's all on video. It's awesome. Okay. Whatever it is about the first.

Yeah. And then the Brotherhood denied. Yeah. Lyrically, too, it's just like, man, it just gets you fired. That's a good answer. Yeah. I can't use that answer. No, no.

That's my number one. All right. So I've answered this just about 50 times on this show, but I've never done it from this perspective of... What's going to teleport you into the pit? This is good. Because everyone... This is, all right.

Yeah. Subfication throws the blood is the hardest breaking out of all the time. What is it? Suffocation throws the blood. Oh, okay. Coral bar to carry the load. Those are the two hard. Yeah. There's some dying venous part. In terms of consistent moshability from me.

disgrace conquered do you want to get one T Ui to true what I did to some Norwegians song is legit illegal now it's a thing of legend there yeah it might be

this was real death threat never again yes because it's like so out of character for the record and it feels so good when it comes and

arm's way breeding breeding grounds yeah that's the one I mean the death threat dead at birth

I mean anytime it gets played it's like if you guys play it I'm it's the perfect it's like the epitome of what

I would well I would say most of us want a hardcore song to be the thing that sticks out to me is when you guys

covered it a sound of fury and it was like everyone that was on stage was just in the crowd yeah and it's like

it makes too emotional. I was like actually tearing up like just because like the lyrics are so you know like relatable. It's like the way it's like that man just crafted. Dude you know the thing where it's like a guy who's seen

10 movies. Stephen Spielberg is the best director. Yeah. Guy who's seen 100 movies. Kurosawa is the best director. Guy who's seen a thousand movies Spielberg is the best director. That is dead at birth. Like guy who's heard 10 hardcore songs, dead at birth is the best song ever.

Yeah. Yeah. guy who's heard 100, straight edge. We've heard a thousand, we've heard a million songs. Yeah, and it's back to that. Dead at Birth is the epitome is the hardcore songs. I agree.

It's just like just universal anthem, yeah. I mean, for terror, they were like the band that really, you know, they took us out, you know, multiple times at the beginning. And they were the band that we moshed

nonstop. Like, we would play and then get straight in the pit and be in the pit, the whole entire time. I miss those days. Every single night, you know, for 40 nights straight, you know, on our first summer tour. And lyrically.

Perfect. Perfect. And kind of comparable to you. Of just like the overall idea. The way they carry themselves, too, they just don't give a fuck about anything. Which is like, you know, especially in this day and age when everything's so pro and so you got to get a guy. You got a guy. What size?

Yeah. What size is our logo going to be on? the fucking flyer. You think death threat cares about that? Dude, I really like their long laminate set lists. Wait, wear it on their Yeah, yeah. It's awesome. You guys got to get into that. That's next. But that

listen, this was a wonderful day with terror, just talking core for many hours. Amen. Many, many, many hours. I loved having you. I love having you. I love having you. I love having any of you anytime. Yeah, thanks for joining. Thanks for having us. Of course. Any, any final work.

you can just send them right there. Listen to death threat every day of your life. And things will feel a little bit better than they actually are. Listen to terror every day. We do. Live by the code. Hey, there you go. Always keep the face.

We can do this all that. All right. Thank you all so much. See you next week.