HardLore - The Best HARDCORE Opening Tracks of All Time

Episode Date: August 29, 2024

Colin and Bo list their favorite opening tracks in hardcore music. Whether it’s for an LP, an EP or a split, the first song on a record sets the tone for what you can expect from a band and often times can end up defining their entire career. They are the ultimate statement piece for what you’re about to hear, so we’ve paid tribute to some of the greatest ever with our official lists over the next 90 minutes. OFFICIAL PLAYLIST - SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0AbH6AIES5duAxXxy81Pqr?si=c71435c03bbe4ec2&nd=1&dlsi=e5188606cefb4af3 APPLE MUSIC: https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/hardlore-presents-hardcores-best-opening-tracks/pl.u-qxyllaBF3yVWD4g HardLore is now on Patreon! Join now to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepod HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.com/ Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef Get 15% off MADD VINTAGE with code HARDLORE15! https://maddvintage.com/ Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe 00:00:00 - Start 00:00:29 - Introduction 00:02:21 - Death Side - Intro ~ Meaning 00:03:54 - Bad Brains - Big Takeover 00:05:28 - Bad Religion - Generator 00:07:08 - Floorpunch - Washed Up at 18 00:08:11 - Terror - One With The Underdogs 00:09:16 - Cro-Mags - Death Camps 00:10:47 - Cro-Mags - We Gotta Know 00:13:11 - Last Rites - Chunks 00:14:30 - Sheer Terror - Three Year B**** 00:16:30 - American Nightmare - We Are 00:18:08 - Blood For Blood - P*ss All Over Your Hopes and Dreams 00:19:33 - SSD - Boiling Point 00:21:07 - Life of Agony - This Time 00:23:55 - Converge - The Saddest Day 00:26:11 - Cold As Life - Born to Land Hard 00:28:25 - The Hope Conspiracy - Fragile 00:30:09 - Bad Brains - Soulcraft 00:31:44 - DYS - Open Up 00:33:22 - Burn - Shall Be Judged 00:35:11 - Ringworm - Justice Replaced By Revenge 00:38:12 - Into Another - Running Into Walls 00:38:38 - Youth of Today - Disengage 00:40:32 - Death Threat - Dead at Birth 00:43:10 - Carry On - The View 00:45:14 - Agnostic Front - The Eliminators 00:47:14 - Mental - And You Know This 00:50:07 - AFI - Strength Through Wounding 00:52:41 - The Killer - Pills I00:55:25 - Breakdown - Blacklisted 00:57:19 - Pardon This Interuption 01:00:26 - Top 5 Picks 01:00:38 - Bo's #5 01:02:46 - Colin's #5 01:04:19 - Bo's #4 01:06:45 - Colin's #4 01:10:49 - Bo's #3 01:13:02 - Colins #3 01:17:32 - Bo's #2 01:20:22 - Colin's #2 01:23:06 - Bo's #1 01:26:08 - Colins #1   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Subscribe to the all-new Hardlore Patreon now for early ad-free access to every episode and an exclusive episode every month. Hello, welcome. It's Hardlore Time. How are you, Bo? I'm doing well. Excellent. As am I, as we've got a very fun episode ahead of us. Yeah, this was a good idea. Kind of a last-minute idea, but I liked it. You know, an album is truly only as good as its opener. And a lot of times, like the song that pops for a band is like the first song on the record. Of course, almost every time just because it's the one everyone's going to hear. Right, exactly. So this week we have decided to list our favorite album openers of all times,

specifically in hardcore punk world. Yes. Because- I don't have any metal or anything. Yeah, I kept it straight up. Yeah. And, you know, my one criteria, really, at the end of the day, was the whole record has to be good. Oh. Because I'm not doing the good song on an album.

I'm doing best album openers in my mind to entire records that I like. Gotcha. I mean, I'm sure I could hang my hat on. I like all of these records. Yeah. I wouldn't say they're like maybe the best ever, but. That's fine. As we were talking about, too, this is also a little difficult because we don't want to like only talk about the same bands. We don't want to repeat ourselves. We don't want to just say all the hardest bands bracket or whatever, you know.

I made a distinct goal of doing as few bands as possible from the hardest bands bracket. It's still about half. But, you know, overall, I think I did a pretty good job. Okay. Say I said. I got a couple, but it won't be a lot. All right. Well, here are Hardlore's favorite album openers of all time.

My first pick, the band is Death Side, Japanese hardcore. Yeah. The album is bet on the possibility. The song is called Intro Meaning. Interesting. It's like a three, four minute opus starts slow and dramatic and then goes into just blistering fast. Japanese hardcore song to me this is like the prototype for if I'm if I'm describing something like this they sound like Japanese hardcore it's this this

is it I got you landmark album landmark song landmark band how do we feel about like is is a is a sample a you know is that the first track how does that I considered it first track yeah so like the This isn't one, but the ringworm demo with like the diehard music. Mm-hmm. That's all part of like track one, right? Yeah, it's got to be the first track. Okay, got to be the first track.

Not the first song after the intro. It's got to be the first track on the album. Yeah, I got you. To me. Okay, cool. Like if you were going to say Carnivore, you'd have to say Jack Daniels and pizza. Yeah. Right.

Yeah, yeah. You can't say angry neurotic Catholics. But yeah, that's not intro meaning it's my first pick. Okay. Are yours in any order until we get to the top five? No particular order until my top five. Same. Okay, good. My first pick.

It's the first one that came to mind, too, which is like, what does the first song mean to you? I mean, that's honest, then. This is your most honest answer, maybe. Yeah, probably because you know the rest I'm lying. Yeah. Big takeover by the bad brains, specifically on Rock for Light.

Okay. I've got a bad brains pick much later. Oh, sick. Yeah. I've heard other, like, hardcore musicians describe that as, like, the opening song, period. Like, it's the one because of the buildup. And I don't think in maybe today's eyes, we get it. But it does have this, like, build, build, build, noise, noise, noise.

And then, ban to band. I mean, both of us, we could guess that in one second. Yeah. Just drum. Done. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, this is land.

This is landmark record for the entire genre. Yeah. And this is the song that they deemed worthy to open that. Exactly. And like they opened live with it a lot. Like it was, it's just kind of like the song. I don't think it's even the best bad brain song.

But no. And I don't think it's their best open. Oh, interesting. Ooh. But, and I might even agree, honestly.

But like I said, it came to mind. It was like, that's when I even think of like, what is hardcore? It's like that. that record is kind of specifically what comes to mind. So that's my first pick.

I'm sure many would agree. Many would not agree with my next pick. Recent bias for me. And a band that you can barely call hardcore, but you can certainly call punk. Band is called Bad Religion. The song is called Generator from the album, Generator. I would say this is the song and the album that took it from fan to obsession to me.

Okay. Because it sounds like I mean this is This is true Valley music You know at the end of the day And it sounds most like it here What does that mean? What is valley music?

It's just written it's written in defiance You know It is it is made in Malice To To the rest of society really And this is their This is 93

So they had, or no, this is 92 or 91, I don't know. But I don't know. This is their fourth LP, technically. Uh-huh. Fourth punk LP. Um, and it's the weirdest one I think they ever put out aside from the weird space rock shit. And there's like primus parts in this song. There's like dissonant screams really for the first time.

I think it's their best title track. is a perfect song, and this is an overall perfect record. Wow. Okay. IMO. It's from the Valley. It's going to be a great playlist. Oh, yeah. Already is.

My next one, again, no particular order, but another one that came to mind. Washed up at 18 by Floor Punch. Just the way it starts, I love when a song, I both love a long, but I also love when a song just like goes and I got a few of those yeah where it's just where it's just going I've got a few of those on this list and this this is another one that was just like and it was just like man it's cool to get pumped and and like excited over a second of music and that's what this song does it's impressive to establish what you're going to get from a record in immediately yeah immediately and few do it as well as floor punch I agree

And also the fastest band, the least hard band on, like, sonically on the hardest band's list. Yes. So you get it, you know? Yeah, exactly. Very unique. Big fan. My next pick, also from the Valley. A band called Terror.

Song called One with the Underdogs. Let me tell you something. That's on my list. I had better off without you. Oh, really? Yeah. And then I was thinking, I was like, wait a minute. Underdogs is...

Oh, my God, dude. The fucking triplet part of the chorus, like, when I was young and that came out, I, like, it blew my mind, how fast it was. I didn't understand how it could be, like, heavy, fast and hard. Like, it's all the things. Yeah. It's everything. And this, they're still, this is in every set list they'll ever play. Good.

They redefined California hardcore. How many more times do I have to say it? This is the best hardcore band of all time. Yeah. This is their best opening track. Yeah. Perfection. Perfection.

Once a lifetime band. Great pick, Colin. Thank you. My next pick, band called Kromag's, death camps. Oh, all right.

I had it as a slash in my answer just in case you didn't say this other one. The other one. Yeah, the other one, I'll be honest with you Not my favorite Of their songs But dude I know

Opening wise I know That's another thing Were you just here But death camps I would say is like I like it more At this point

Death camps is like a Like you said it before It's like an opus It's like this crazy It's all in the same pattern And it's just like Different variations Of like open 7

8 57 Dan da da da da It's awesome Which is really like Oh Oh 1 Oh 6-0 Yeah

And Paris said This was the only song where a drummer Got songwriting credit Wow In Cromax The intro is awesome Because you know that was him

Just fucking around Bukitaboooooooooooooooooooooooo Bap Bhappah Legendary I love it I love that it's like Kind of a hard

Vegetarian song too like that's cool you know I just I don't know I really like it love obviously I love that record

but that's another one that's like what's a good opening track Death camps yeah that's immediately came to mind yeah and I my gut was

and I'll just say it for my next pick we gotta know as Asia Quarle another genre defining album it would have been a sin to leave it off of here

I'm sorry but we should note that neither of us are going to say time ends we agree to leave Master Killer it goes unsaid. Yeah, we forgot to use that as the example

for what an opening track could be. Time ends is obviously that, and it's obviously like proto number one on both of our lists, so we'll just, we'll skip that. But we gotta know, uh, this is a life-changing song,

quite literally, where you could ask somebody what's hardcore. Ah. They'll put this on. You'll immediately know what's hardcore. And you'll know whether or not, you're into it. I can show us my mom today. My mom is like, I've been in hard courses for over 20 years

in my life now. Right. And I think she's finally like really fascinated in like what it is and what makes it different from other genres. She's asking me new questions every day. Oh, that's cool. And she's like asking to hear things. She's like, so what makes it not punk? And I'm like, well, mom, it's part of punk. It's one thing. Yeah. But it's also different. And I think, I think this, song, I could easily sum it up with just like, here, here it is. Here's the attitude. Yeah. Here's the, you know, the production.

Perfect production, too. Perfect production. You can hear, we got to know. The Tom, like, like, you can like hear it and it's ingrained in my brain. So yeah, that's, like you said, it's kind of an obvious pick. But it has to. But for a good reason. you were quick story about 818 remember that beetle that was on the ground in front of us during I think

it was Gretich I think take down was it take down yeah yeah you're right it was early um I I I felt bad for it so I like scooped it and walked it outside and it was really sad to watch it wasn't it so I let it go outside it flew directly into some guy's face like like I like I cast the spell like you went yeah but anyway um oh this is is a good one. My next pick. A band that I talk... These are all good ones, really. Yeah, truthfully. A band I talk about a lot. They played one show. They have two songs.

Last Rites, they have a song called Chunks. It's one of the coolest sounding song, like to the point where I don't know how they like did that then. One of the most covered songs of all time. Of all time, yeah. Very true. I'm on a, you're on a bad religion thing.

I'm on a huge slap shot. So I'm going Backwards And yeah Chunks I think Harmsway even covered it A couple times Like way back

It's just An awesome song Cool band And again that The sound Proto demo core Yeah very much Yeah

The sound of The open E And it kind of bends Before the song Before the palm muting starts Like that How? How?

Yeah. How did you know to do that? That would work today. That's an intonation innovation never seen again, you know? Good alliteration. Thank you. Yeah, chunks by last right, it's off the seven inch. Great pick, Bo.

Thank you. My next pick, a band not on the hardest bands list, but, you know, in the heart of it, they really are. Shear terror. Oh, yeah. And this is the opening track for Ugly and Proud and Thanks for Nothing. which is a thing I can't wait to ask them about someday. The song is called Three Year Bitch.

God, what a track. You know, just can't hit enough is obviously their landmark debut, like straightforward hardcore punk record, which also kind of sounds like Keltie Frost. It's really crazy. They have like the craziest emolumation of sounds. And this is when they implemented the like cowbell rock melody shit that they kind of more became known for.

Right. And the big bridge of this song, like, is one of my favorite minutes of music of all time. Ooh. I'm, to this day, obsessed with this band. This is probably the song that did it, much more so than Just Can't Hate Enough as a record overall. And then, you know, and then the production just got better.

I think that's why they recorded all those, songs for Thanks for Nothing is that they just had studio time and they were like let's just just do it again we know those straight up the record again it's crazy yeah um and then they did the old new borrowed and blue EP which the song broken on that i would i would go out of your way to listen to right now as well it's not the opener but three your bitch is to me they're their their perfect opening track and the lore apparently for terror's name for how they got the name was covering the word sheer on a sheer terror shirt just being like, what if it's just that?

Really? Apparently. Wow. We'll have to have somebody on to confirm. That's pretty good. We're going to stay in Boston for a little while, but I'll go... Hey, me too.

Perfect. A song that got me kind of, I realized, like, really grabbed me as a young man was We Are by American Nightmare. on background music. It's the opening track, big snare roll, but then the, this is the soundtrack to saying goodbye, goodbye, like that.

I don't know. There was something, something about it. That's an example of one of those songs where you know what you're getting really great. Right away, yeah. I think for, there's a, there's an era of hardcore

where it was, it was like this or nothing, you know? Yeah, it's just like, go. This was as influential to, at a certain point as age of quarrel to like a certain age of person you know oh yeah I kind of

I think because of maybe maybe more so I mean it got me to find the Chromeax they covered it's the limit you know what I mean it's like it yeah at the time they were the the band and

I was a sophomore freshman in high school and it was just like didn't CLA put this on his Boston Mount Rushmore? I think so. That says a lot, man. It does. What a fucking endorsement.

Yeah. A.N. was fucking awesome. Really cool. Very important to me as a young lad. So, it was an obvious pick from him. Legendary band, all time. My next pick, Boston. Who's the Kings of Boston, baby?

Blood for blood. And my favorite blood for blood opener is piss all over your hopes and dreams. From the album, Spit My Last Breath. This has everything, man. Production, attitude, lyrics, riffs. What Rob manages to do

with his riff box, you know? He's got his notes. Yeah, big time. The way that he manages to rearrange them fucking time and time again, and then make an iconic breakdown that's like a skank part out of just dundan and then it to dan it the dan and then then and then and then done and then that's innovation at its finest and then you know the call

and response vocally very cool they they mastered that in a way that no other band has sense when a band does that again we're like like with holy blade my whole thing is okay I'll be your white trash rock. Right, right, right. Anytime it's anytime a backup guy is doing a bunch of stuff, I think like, oh, good. He's doing the white trash rock. Love that. Legend. One of the greats. Still in Boston. Welcome. Boiling point by SSD control off of the kids will have their say. Dude, the riff is like, I've said a few times that like early Boston, hardcore is like my favorite and this is the

epitome of it. Kind of this was just like, they didn't really know what they were doing. Yeah. They didn't, they weren't like writing to like to express that. They just wanted to write fast songs and like do shit with their friends. How many Stradage bands existed at this time as well?

I think if you count minor threat, it was minor threat, kind of seven seconds and then definitely SSD and DYS and last right's negative effects. Like All Boston. So give it up, man.

Dude. Thank you, SSD. Yeah, big time. More than Ian. Thank you, SSD. And like the Boston guys took what minor threat kind of thought of as like a thing and made it like. Oh, no, this is a, you know, you're on to something here. Yeah.

This might be my life now. There's also a crazy ride symbol thing that he does in, in boiling point where it's like boiling point. That, that, boiling over. that it does little doubles. And again, it's like, you're fucking up constantly on this record. How did you do that? Yeah. I can't do that with my hands.

I do those to this day. So thank you, SSD. I'm out of Boston now. I'm back in New York. Surprise, surprise. One of the omissions from the hardest band list, possibly. There's a big one later. But life of agony.

Oh. This time. Jesus Christ, dude. It's rare that alternating picking like that on palm muting can sound cool. And it's, it had, it like had to for this, you know? Yeah. Because it makes it harder when the pit part comes in all downstroke. Da, go, go, go, go, yeah, it's like a cool dynamic change of like, okay, now we're, now we're downpicking.

and they're big misfits people. So you think that had to be... Oh, interesting. Oh, yeah. Alan Robert, the bass player, is like... Big misfits guy. So that makes sense. I mean, what can you say, man?

Where would I be without this record? You want to talk perfect production? Guitar tone? Vocal performance. Yep. Drumming. Drum performance and tone. Never heard again, ever by any band

our album. Including them, you know? Like, it seems like it was so difficult to sound like this and to make this happen that they were like, we just got to, this, we cannot do that again. That was insane. The true, like genuinely life-changing record that I may be dead without. I might be dead about it. But I'm here.

And in a large part, thanks to this record and this song. Thank you, Life Magny. Thank you. this time. This is also it's such, it's so out of the box for what people,

like if I showed this to my mom, she'd be like, how is this the same as crime? Yeah, 100%. Yep. But it just is, mom. You got to believe.

You hear that pit part in the beginning? It's the same. When my friend group, I think View and the Proud was the band when we first started hearing Life of Agony. And we didn't,

just to go to show you how good the production was, in my opinion. We didn't really care for the band, but when we did the few in the proud LP, we were like, we want it to sound like the Life of Agony record. Interesting. It was like that production is what we want.

We didn't get it, but we were like, this is perfect. We want this and another record. I'm gonna, another top five for me. Oh, I can't wait for myself. Yeah, that's gonna be fun. I'm still in Boston. I'm big chilling.

A little song called The Saddest Day Oh, thank you. I had that as an honorable mention, just in case we repeated. Good, good, good. Holy shit, dude. The thing we've been saying where it's like,

it's cool to know what you're going to get 10 seconds in, you don't know what the fuck you're going to get. Holy dude, that was like pitch perfect. Holy shit. Sorry. Wow. I've heard it a lot. Yeah, this shit's crazy, dude.

Dude. Yeah, I Every part of it Riffs Drums Inspector Gadget part Inspector Gadget part Which I've also done now

But the And then the breakdown is obviously legendary And I hate a speed up You do hate a speed up You do hate a speed up But it works But the thing I like about the speed up

Is that it's so It's so organic and natural Yeah, no click You can tell that's just That's not a thing you can sit here And you could sit here and program it on logic, but I would hear that it's natural.

Or I would hear that it's fake. It would be like, you program that. Incremental. This is a fucking raw human performance here in the coolest way. The cool. Dude. They, I don't know. Mr. Ballou.

Mr. God. City. Yeah, just so unbelievable band. They've still got it. They never didn't have it. Watching them is so frustrating because we'll never be them. In the days of like,

in the days of like LimeWire and Kazan stuff, you would download one song at a time to have on an MP3 player. You know, you wouldn't get whole records because they couldn't even hold them. This is pre-I-Pod. And this was like the Converge song.

They got other good openers. Oh. You know. All of them. Yeah. Yeah. No bad records. No.

I could watch them seven days. a week. Yeah. Ben dropped off this liquid death for me, you know, just unbelievable band, all around. Thank you, Converge. Thank you, Ben. My next pick, we're going to Detroit. Are we? Oh, yeah. Instant frontrunners in the hardest bands bracket. One of the hardest bands of all time, one of the coolest bands of all time. Cold is life. Born to Land Hard From the album Born to Landhard. From the feedback, Bo. Dude.

We talk about it all the time. Production. Dude, when Jeff was talking about doing this record, it like broke my brain. That's that. I will cherish this show forever for giving us that, you know? Just, yeah, it was live. Yeah, we just played it. That's why that feedback is never replicated again.

It was fucking live and real. multiple amps and guys in a room dialed in perfectly and hearing them talk about it still was like, no, we dial in our feedback as if it's part of the tone. What? Yeah. Yeah. And then the song kicks in.

And every expectation you have about what they are goes out the window. Big time. Because the double bass part hits and you're like, wait. And even in that part, the way that they do it is fucking, biggest brilliant IQ brain way of writing this part. One guitar still ringing out. Yeah. While the other one is playing a riff that never happens again.

You're a genius. You're brilliant. And again, you're setting the tone for what the record is going to be by doing something that doesn't ever happen again on the record. And it still makes sense. I know you love the... Oh, that's one of my guys. I'm doing him, you know

I'm doing him, I'm doing Danny I'm doing Sal I'm doing Mickey D I'm doing Igor I bet I digress Yeah Yeah Jesus Christ dude Thank you cold his life

My next pick Bang called the Hope conspiracy Guy is in Boston He's seasonal residence Big time Fragile Dool-Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo-Doo-dududududududud a band with many great openers.

Very true. I feel like I wonder. Oh, here's a hypothesis. Did bands start to focus, did bands start to like front load their records because of streaming? Yes. Attention span, right?

So like, I wonder, I wonder when that shift started to happen in the hardcore world because this was pre-streaming. Right. You know, this is back when people are listening to a whole record generally. I mean, even when I was in my, I mean, this is maybe just me because I'm a, I'm a physical media guy, you know, and to this day, I, the closer has always been so important to me. Interesting.

And now you kind of have to disregard the closer and, like, put the worst song there. I refuse, for one. But my, but, dude, that's going to. be a fun episode. Best closers? Best closers? Wow. Yeah.

That's a, that's a thick forest that few have ever gone through. It's just eight minute song after nine minute song after 12 minutes on. But yeah. Yeah.

Hocon, God, I'm playing with them next week. Can't wait to see him. Oh, fuck yeah. I just saw him at the Rumble. They killed it. Sounded great. Played everything you want.

Good. No bad records. No periods. Yep. Great, man. My next pick. This is my bad brains pick. Beau.

Okay. From the album, Quickness. Soulcraft. Is that? You got Mackey on drums. Yeah, the Mackey one. You got starting with the flan-da-do-do-flat-da-no-thal-mouthing the opening riff of the album. Cool.

And making it sound perfect. That's a king-H-R move, dude. Many have tried since. Few have succeeded. Hard-ass song. You know? Yeah. I, as I got older, really grew to like the later bad brain stuff.

Yeah, I against I and quickness are probably my two favorites. Really? More so than, I mean, I love Rock for Light and self-title, but like, dude, this is where they, this is where it's like, oh, this is what you wanted to be the whole time. Right. Yeah. You're you now. Quickness is many, a lot of people you talk to about Barron's, they go, I'm a quickness guy.

Like, it's the secret society. when in reality, no, this is just an unbelievable hardcore record. There definitely was a period of time where like later Chromeags, later bad brains, where it was like kind of like, what? You like that, you know? But quickness kind of escaped that somehow. Yeah, yeah. Quickness guys are, they've been right the whole time.

Shout out quick. Thank you, bad man. Thank you, Ben, for this liquid. I think it's my last one in Boston for a minute. Yeah, I think entirely, so I might as well. Another early Boston band, D.YS. Okay. It's a song called Open Up, starts with a bass line,

and it's just a hard, just... Just very, like, very punk, you know, and just very cool. I think DYS is like my favorite of... like of their whole catalog is my favorite out of all those early bands. However, discovered a remaster thing. Like their most like

the streamed version of like the Spotify version of Brotherhood that this record's on has like double vocals where it has the original where he's yelling like kind of buried and then it sounds like Dave redid it but he's like mostly talking

it's and like clearly done way after the fact. So it's like different production I have no fucking idea that's what's streaming for DYS it's shocking dude so don't listen to that no I had to find the original on YouTube to like

claim holy shit I don't know why they would do that but that's going on it's gonna be a jump scare on the playlist yeah open up by DYS Department of Youth Services Landmark band era defined really

regional defining band. For sure. My next pick, I'm back in New York, surprise fries. Oh, no. Band called Burn. Okay. Okay. Alleged spin-kick

adventers from the debut EP Burn shall be judged. When I was 13, I wrote this breakdown. And I was devastated to find that I did not write this breakdown. Yeah.

But that led me to a wormhole of being obsessed with burn. Chaka's voice, riffs, drum, performance, and production, a breakdown that's not a traditional breakdown. There's no, not really symbols. It's all Tom's. Cool.

This shit is crazy, man. This was a band where, when I was young, if you weren't into Burn, you were like a loser. Interesting. This is like the, like, cool guy. hardcore band. Interesting. Which made me almost resent them in a way.

Of course. And then later it's like, that's not their fault. That this dickhead likes them. It's true what Tom, what Tom Shean said in his episode about like, you don't, you knew Jack, you don't have the burn long sleeve. That was real. Specifically with burn for some reason. So that was not the case here. Interesting.

To the point where I never really got into burn. This is a perfect hardcore song and a perfect album opener. I think it's, it might be a vegan song or a vegetarian song. I don't really know. But I like the way, what he's saying. And I love the pit part. And I love this song. Perfect.

Great band. All right. I'm out of Boston. All right. Going right over to Lake Erie. Oh. A band called Ringworm. who have tons of great openers.

Just, just banger after banger, really. I'm going with justice replaced by revenge. Because... What a statement, huh? You got fat... Yeah, it's a statement, exactly. You got fast, pissed. He sounds fucking crazy.

There are so many... I was listening to this record the other day. There are so many random double bass, like... Like, it's in every film. Oh, this drummer was... He was triplet, quadruplets all day. All. It's constant.

It's, dude, what is it? Is it House of Hell where he's doing the like... Yeah. Constantly. He's obsessed with him, which like, that was my shit at the time. Like, as a drummer, I was, like, learning how to do that at the same time as hearing this. Yeah. So I was like, oh, he's just like me.

That's crazy. And now I see he did way too damn many, but it's fucking sick. It's like a cool characteristic that only this record has. Yes, agreed. And I think the heaviest song is Goddy God. But it's like, Dan, Dan,

Brut do you do to do get. It's awesome. It's some straight up dying fetish shit. It's crazy. Yeah. The opening track has one of the coolest and least characteristic of ringworm pit parts. Break,

breakdowns. That's another. That's another no-pal-mute mosh-par. Wow. Something to be that hard and not palm-muted is that's scientific innovation at its best. When we did the post-human tour, Ringworm was our direct support, and very graciously, I should say. And when they would play that song, it was like. Boy, back.

Every, every night. It was like, holy shit. And they know, they know what they have too, because he would always say like, this is for all you speak. You karate kicking motherfuckers. So, but this was also the record that like made me a ringworm fan

and then I kind of went back in time, you know, because it came out right when I needed it to. So I like, it got me. So this being the first song was like pretty important to me. I love this record, love this song. Putting out a record. like this after being a band for

17, 18 years or whatever? Yeah. At the perfect time. Perfect time. Unbelievable. Kind of remade the band, I would imagine. Yeah, 100%. Very similar to Keepers of the Faith

in kind of like a renewal of status and like... Like, hey, this is us again. This is a... We're this now. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. Agreed. All right.

Obvious pick here. Into another. Fuck. Is it on yours? It's in my top five. Is it? Running the walls? Fuck, yeah, dude.

All right, so we'll talk about it later. All right, cool, cool. Great pick, Bo. Do you want to do another one? Or should I go now? No, you go, because I got four left. Okay, perfect. You know me.

I obviously, I love you today. A band with many cool openers, including a fast. We're back, kind of like one. the song Disengage is, I think, their best song. What? Is this what you're talking about when you're like, the record isn't good, but the, but the song is good? Well, it's, it's three songs.

Yeah. Supposedly, this song itself was written originally to be a judge song. So that's, and you can kind of hear it. That's why it's so sick. You can kind of hear it. Yeah, so it does, it does work. But I think it's their best, like, song, like, from. from like a song writing standpoint.

I completely agree. As like a not the biggest youth of today guy who really still does like youth of today, I completely agree. Yeah. And this is like if acquiesce was on be here now, there would be no argument that it's the best record. If disengaged was on breakdown of the walls, to me it would be like this is the best record of all sign.

Well said. That's genuinely true. But yeah, I love the buildup. There's like weird talking shit in it where he's, I think he's like talking to Sammy while they're doing it. He's like, yeah, okay. And it's just like cool, just cool stuff.

And it sounds awesome. That stuff you can't replicate. That's just real. And they're like, I love, Judge did it too, but I love when a band is like kind of ending. And they do like an EP. They do like a small like, here's kind of where we were going. I think that's,

there's something cool about that. Yeah. There's, there's many good ones. The foundation one is unbelievable. Yes. Timely. Wink, wink, wink, next week, Thursday. Great pick.

Thank you. My next pick. This might be in your top five. We'll see. Death threat? Nope. But great pick. From the album, Peace and Security.

Dead at birth. It's hard to argue that this is... Like, if somebody made an argument that this is the best hardcore song of all time, I would... I would... end agreeing with them. You know? There's a few,

you know mine. It's not on my list so I can't stop one and stop. I think that's I think that's a perfect hardcore song. Yeah. Jesus Christ should have been on here. Great pick.

But yes, dead at birth. I love the verse riff. is so that's such a cool part it's a combination of of two very different things yeah it's it's it is simultaneously hate breed and youth of today you're dude yeah you've said this before and it's every time it's like oh my god it is it is yeah and then an exorder riff comes in and they play the hardest pit you've ever heard uh this is i'm so glad that they're getting their flowers now.

Big time. Death threat, because it wasn't always the case growing up. I'm sure, you know, when they played, we did four shows with them and they got like a great reaction. But seeing terror cover them at Sound and Fury

and 5,000 people going off is different. I would love a new death threat. You know what I I'm a, again, I'm a huge fan of an EP. I think any band coming back from a hiatus for whatever reason, whatever, give me four or five songs.

I agree. And give me Jamie Push Button on drums. Jamie, if you're listening. Thank you. I'm doing Jamie, too. I left him out. Oh, my God. Jamie Push Button, within three years, played on peace and security, satisfaction.

Guys at God. Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Jamie. But yeah, Dead of Birth. Maybe best hardcore song ever. One of the best fans of all time. One of the prides of Connecticut. Where would I be without him?

Nowhere. Hit me. I'll go to L.A. Mm. A song called The View by Carry On, A Life Less Plagued. Not the best song on the record, but it gives you a perfect taste of what's to come. Don't look at it. Just like, probably the second best song.

the album, you know? I mean, the, it took 15 years. Like, yeah, iconic. Un,

perfect, perfect. Yeah. I love that record. I talk about it a lot. I know, but it, it,

it does everything that that style of hardcore needs to do for me. I agree. Check all the box. Straight edge, fast,

pissed. Hard. Hard. Still. Todd Jones. Todd Riffin. Come on. God.

Jones. Riffin. One of the greats. Truly one of the greats. It ain't even fair. Yeah, this is landmark shit for me.

They broke up as we moved to California. Wait, yeah, wait. Was that like 2000? 2004? Yeah, I was going to say three. Yeah. So, you know, we missed them as a live band,

but their presence was very much still around. You know, like internal affairs was popping off. Piece by piece was pop very much. much popping off. Right.

And it was all like it was, it was established just like, yeah, Carillon was the band, but now their, their spirit lives on and all these other things. Was,

was their overlap with terror? Nick? Or was, was, oh yeah, because Terra was 2002. So they existed at the same time.

Yeah. I don't know if Nick was OG Carrione, but he definitely played at the end. Yeah, I don't think he played on this record. No,

he didn't. I, I embarrassed myself one time. On the first sure we did with terror and I was talking to him. I was like, hey man, I loved Carion. Like the drumming on lifeless plague is crazy. He's like, oh, thanks, man. That wasn't me. I'm sure he would agree. I didn't know. Yeah, he did agree. But yeah. My next pick, The Godfather's of hardcore. Agnostic front. Yes. From the album Cause for Alarm. The Eliminator.

So their opener. Yeah, yeah. They, yeah. When we just played with them, they opened with it. I mean, come on, man. It says a lot. What a pit, dude. It's a cool part. Is that a Peter Stil riff? I feel like it is. It's very carnivore, you know. I think for the guitar player to tell us to our faces that he didn't like the record because it wasn't hardcore,

means maybe somebody else was helping out with some things and he didn't like him. That's so, Peter. Yeah, it's very. I think the drummer of Carnival. I think Lou Bito played on this album. Oh, interesting. Pretty sure. I'm almost positive. Don't quote me. Yeah. Maybe quote me if I'm right.

So there's a lot of Carnivore here and Carnivores are my favorite bands of all time. So naturally, I love this. Iconic song. I mean, it's crossover technically, but it's still very much hardcore. At that time, crossover was so, like, it meant. It was the next big thing. Yeah, it just meant you were playing hardcore shows. But now it's just, yeah, now it's all one thing and it's all one beautiful thing. Perfect opener, lyrics, production, never before her, never heard again other than carnivore.

Because it sounds a lot of carnivore in the best way. But Godfather's a hardcore, what do you want, man? This is the best band. Thank you, AF. Yeah. And still doing it too. So sick. Still doing it at the highest possible level in standard.

Really? Yeah. I think I have two left of the main list. Me too. Okay, good. Back to Boston, because I forgot. And you know this by Mental, specifically the 7-inch version. It has a cool opening riff, and his voice sounds sick.

Real friends. Ah, too fat. Like, you just, like, sounded cool. Also, like, a band defining song. This is like, okay, this is what you're getting. And because at the end of the song, you get the mental part. Yeah. I think if someone were to be writing a song with somebody else and be like,

it should go into a mental part. You would hear do do do do do do do do. Like, you would hear that, you know. This. And people are still feeding their families off parts, of parts that mental created. Yeah, big time. It's funny to think about, like,

in the early, like, 2000s mental were, like, the it band. 100%. And I don't feel like, like, I don't notice that. I don't notice mental shirts. I don't know, you know what I mean? I also think we were all wearing, like,

smalls and mediums at the time. So you're not out there. You're not going to see them. But it's interesting that, like, I wonder when they're going to kind of get their, flowers for like again. Yeah, maybe that's, maybe that's, you know, we could, we could help with that a little bit in our, in our own special way. Mental, no warning, righteous jams.

Oh, dude. That and that little chunk of time. Yeah, N, and was just like, hey, if you don't like this, fuck you. Yeah. Mental was not only musically cool and they were edge, but it was, they were also like, cool, swagged out of their minds. Swagged out of their minds. And would play, dude, I mean, there's, I don't know if I've ever told the story.

Yeah, no, I definitely have, but they're, you know, infamous thing where it would have been a long time ago now, but a fest got shut down outside of Chicago and the whole fest went to a kid's basement and mental, righteous jams, and they played a stop and think song. And it was like wall to wall packed, horrifying to think about now. but it was like I had a my girlfriend at the time was with me and she was like just don't you know make sure you stay by me and I fucking they covered today and I was gone dude poor gal she did fine but uh just it was cool that they were they were always down like they weren't they were like how I think a hardcore band what defies a hardcore band is being like I saw them play clubs I saw them play classrooms and basements like it was awesome very good beautiful my next pick AFI Oh

On your top five No But I can't believe I omitted this Strength through wounding Man Nothing sounded like this No Dude the like the monotone singing

Not monotone but like the harmonized like Do the darkness That part like Vocal Production wise Jade dude Yeah He

He came out of the gate doing his own thing. The chord. It's crazy, dude. I need to learn the AFI cord. The chord. Yeah, like it's like the Halloween chord kind of.

It is. It's like a bar chord that he, that's on everything. How did he do it, man? I don't know. He would be interesting to talk to just because it's like, were you a fan. Obviously,

you were a fan before. What did you like? Yeah. That led you to do these things. Because it's so much more than just like spooky punk, you know? Way more. Musically, it's so many fucking things and so unique.

What he brought to the band, dude, like he, he's as people credit Dave's voice, which understandably it's God tier. It's you can't ever replicate it. It's an unfilable shoe. But dude, Jade as a riffer. Holy shit. As a songwriter.

Yeah. As a singer. Yeah. A really kind of unparallible. Harold. Yeah. And this, this song established, like, their thing.

Of the, like, hey, the opener's going to be kind of an intro, but it's going to feel like a full song. Yeah, good point. Oh, good point. Also, a champion of Les Paul's. I mean, what do you want? What more do you want? He's ed.

The guy's got taste. He's straight. Yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful. I bet you the influence was a lot of, like, cure. And, uh, Maybe like early proto like a bow house and

Susie and like stuff like that I could see I don't know how do you even think to translate that into Gothic hardcore punk you took a Barry white song and made it into God's hate song you know I just think I don't know how but it does They're obviously my god am I think my glad he did Unbelievable all right last one off the main list going home Talk about them all the time, but it's true. Pills by the killer. What a fucking opener.

Very worst of human nature. Better judged by 12 than carried by 6 is the record. It starts with a siren and like children laughing. And it's like to this day, it like it's Pavlovian for me. I'll hear it and I like bristle. It's like, if a band covers that, you're in the room.

Dude. I mean, we. If you cover that. At the, at the last nacho show, we covered it with Luke. And like, even we sampled the sample,

you know, and it was like, oh, man, it did, it, it was, I don't know.

I just like, love that band. Oh, a lot to them. I know I talk about it a lot. But when it, when I think of an opening track, this is a big,

I remember putting the CD in my car. Like, when it came out. I remember doing that. And hearing it and being like, holy shit. Just fast double base and the palm and the tremolo following the double base. God say war man is just

pills and bull thrower. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I'm a day one killer. Yeah, you are. And you know what's funny is I remember one of the early first times we ever went to the old house. Taylor had a tape like a killer tape just like in a window

and it was like, oh, that's cool. These guys are all right. These guys are okay. Because you're probably one of four people in California at the time who liked the killer. I mean, we played with them 2013, September 21st. My birthday, it's coming up. Marky calendars. 2013, we played with them at the Knights of Columbus, right?

Which is like the non-city venue. And I expected a riot. You know? Yeah. And I was kind of running shit. I'll be honest with you. And that to me was like, I hope that the band saw that and was like, this guy's all right. This kid's okay.

You know? He's all right. Yeah. Love the killer. There'd be no harm's way without the killer. I've said that many, many times. Still see them all the time. Shane is still doing every show, still doing the rumble.

He's the fucking man. Luke is the, just the sweetest guy, you know? He's the best. What's better than a big getting embraced by this big man, you know? What a band. Great band. My next pick. Is this your top five or is this the last?

This is my last before the top five. Perfect. Is the opening song to the greatest hardcore EP of all time? Oh. Breakdown. Blacklisted. I'm surprised this wasn't in your top five. I got some stuff in my top five I got to talk about.

But man, this is. As I've said just seconds ago, greatest hardcore EP in history, the title track. You're saying your band name and the song of the record back to back in a way that nobody has done before. It's a skank part into a skank part. It's perfect.

No record sounds like this production was. Very true. Great point. The attitude and the swag from Jeff's vocals and lyrics. You got Mike Dijon at his, Absolute fucking finest right in riffs. This is perfection. This is everything I want from hardcore music.

And I'll never get it again. So it's sad, you know? Yeah. Because you can't replicate this. And I think a lot of that is Mike's songwriting. A lot of that is the way it sounds. The fucking drums are huge. Huge, yeah.

And he said it was fucking 58s on a whatever kid. Which I think somebody messaged me It was like, hey, that wasn't true It's actually, we miced it really well But I like Mike's version This is perfection Yeah, sounds awesome This is it

Breakdown Blacklist Greatest Hard Quarry P of all time Really good pick Is this your top five or you have one more? Well, we're on to top five I'm gonna try and do this in order Yeah, you know what else is in order? Oh boy

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And I want to give Credit where credits do I think Purple Heart By Foundation Is one of the coolest songs they ever did with the hardest

part at the end this is who will march forward in the smoke clears right? Oh yeah all I need is zero notes dun dun ton ton uh iconic

seeing them play this live now is going to be chill-inducing I love um there's there's like a merriya like a bend in the main riff

Right. And then they use that as the build before the Earth Crisis part, you know. Burr out, burn out, down out, down out. And like the vocals are building. Yeah, they do the full chord version. Amazing. It's a really, foundation very much had like their style and like had their thing. And I think this is the best, like, purest form of that, the concentration of their thing. And you got champ on drums, dude, who not only does he own the greatest men's work. store in Atlanta guilty party, but he is so fucking solid.

Dude. In the pocket. In the fucking. He sells pockets. In the in the salvaged denim pocket. Always. And dude. Yeah.

And Hank doing backups at that part. It was, it's always, I don't know, it was always a favorite to see live. I think it's an incredible album opener. Love it. All time band. Again, it's been beautiful to see them get their flowers. Yeah, big time.

Posthumous. It was right at the end. They started getting them, you know? Which is crazy. Crazy, but beautiful. Unprecedented. So this is going to be special. Welcome back, Foundation.

We'll see you next week on Hardlore. My number five, if you've ever seen me set up drums and do my line check, you will hear the opening drum part from State of the World Address, from the album State of the World Address by the band Biohazard. Very good. I don't know that any, you know, there's a lot of drummers that influence me.

But like Danny Schuller is, at the end of the day, I'm going to end, do something that he does in any song I play drums in. And I'm going to forget that it is. And I'm going to go back and listen to it and be like, fuck, that was Danny. I stole that from Danny. Again. Again, yeah.

Bobby Hamill, ripping a solo instantaneously. Evan and Billy's call and response, the stuff of legends. The coolest style. The best style. The song has everything. And the record that comes after it is, to me, the most ambitious hardcore record

ever read. That's right. They got an unlimited budget to do anything on Roadrunner, and they chose to just make a massive hardcore record. It's beautiful. It's perfect. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Really cool.

Well, let's talk about the one that was on your list, and this is my top five. Into another. Running into walls. Like, if I pick up a bass, that's what I play. I'm going to try to do it. It ain't going to go well. It's easy.

It's easy. You could do it. I'll learn it today. Yeah. This is another thing that if I show my mom, she's going to be like, how is this hardcore? I'll be like, mom, just, just feel it. You know what's funny? With this one, I don't know how it's hardcore.

I don't really have an answer. It just is, dude. Wow. It's all there. It just feels. Did you see them last night? No, I didn't go because Lana's got COVID. Oh, fuck.

I heard it was. sick. I didn't know Taylor was a big fan. I didn't know that. Taylor, young? Yeah. You know what I didn't know? I actually did know that about him. I didn't know he was an underdog guy. Oh yeah, big time. So for those of you who don't know, Richie

who sang an underdog and played in Utah today and was just kind of like he went on to sing and into another. Into another. Found himself as one of the greatest vocalists our world has ever seen. Maybe the greatest focus. In our world, yeah.

That's another discussion for another day. Coming soon. My God, dude. This came out on a rip, you know? Yeah, dude. And there you go.

Going from the like the ugly, the weird dissonant chugging part back into back into the, ding, ding, damn, back into the, like, it's beautiful.

It's interesting. I don't This is another one of those ones where it's like You don't know what you're getting into This is in no way this of a kind Yeah very unique very one of a kind There has never been another into another There will never be another into another

I don't know how the fuck they wrote this Or what their frame of reference was But I'm so glad they did it Great band Great pick, great record Please listen to this record If you have Yeah if you need a starting point

point, check out the Oman's EP, their comeback record from now, almost 10 years ago, which is fucked up. Holy shit. You're right. Yeah. That's the best thing I've ever heard. It's best music ever written. Speaking of other unbelievable, life-changing, clean vocalists within our genre, this is a band that I don't know that this show exists without at the end of the day, ultimately. Band is called Only Living Witness. It's another title track from the album Prone Mortal Form.

saw this pro mortal form Perfect guitar tone That's the best Maybe the best recorded guitar tone ever I got one coming up That is Up there Okay

That I think To me it's pro mortal form master killer Yeah It's the best distorted guitar And like in 1984 That's the best Distorted guitars I've ever sounded Recorded

And it's so You can tell It's a fucking cranked I bet it's a dual wreck You can just tell it's a valve amp, just loud. And then it's not just that, because then the bass comes in and it's raging. That's a fucking SVT classic. Wow.

And then the drums come in, and they're massive. And then Jonah starts singing. And it's perfect. And you've got a combination you've never heard before. He's probably got the best voice. That's an actual, just amazing singer. Yeah, like he could have been in anything. Well, dude, I mean,

And he, and that's, smash mouth really ruined everything there. I've talked to Jonah before. I'll have him tell this story before, but he was in a band called Milltown. Right. After only the witness, that was like straight up, like, A plus major label grunge music. Mm-hmm. And they were in the middle of recording an album with the dude that produced like dirt and dog flies. Whoa.

and smash mouth broke and it was like okay guys like good music is dead it's over we're going we're going like funny quirky now like rock is smash mouth now guys

so we're gonna we're gonna put this in the in the can capris sudden commercial that's the world don't smash mouth ruined music like smash mouth Olympics get really like killed music more than any other two bands. Or streaming.

Streaming too. I would say more than streaming. Yeah. Lars was right, by the way. Yeah, Lars was right. Yeah. I remember hearing this for the first time and knowing immediately I was going to like it.

Like, just, just the, from the, Chad and I was like, oh, I like this. What is this? And then the record ceases to let up, dude. Dude, December? that's one of the best closers ever. It's up there. We'll get there.

Yeah. That's my number four. Yeah, excellent. Do you prefer the LP version over the demo version? Because the demo version's kind of crazy. The only demo version I think is better is the song, Twitch and Tung. Because the chorus, the, uh, is on the hi-hat. Yeah.

And it just sounds so much more like, like driving and hard. But I do like that they consciously, we're probably like, let's make it more of a breakdown and do it on the crash. Gotcha. But I think that the hat and Eric who played drums was like the guy in the band. The songwriter. So as me hearing that, I know how deliberate that.

Those little changes to me I know are so deliberate and are just from after like months and months and months and months of playing it and toying with it. I love intention. You know, I love little intentional things like that. That's cool. And to get it from a drummer's perspective. perspective. Yeah.

He said to himself, I think I want to do it on the crash. I'm going to do it on the crash and they were probably like, who cares? Shut up, dude. You know? But I know. I know what he meant by that. Yeah, that's cool. RIP.

Martine was playing this the other night at 818 night, like during like the line check. And it like stuck in my craw. It's called Behind This Wall by Turning Point. Is part of the last three things that. they did before they broke up or before skipped out. I don't actually know what the timeline is. But it starts with an acoustic guitar.

It's like a pretty song and has a heavy skank part. Yeah. In right in the middle, Martine was just playing the intro. And it's so like how do they do that? To go from the turning point demo in seven inch

into the first LP and then into this I don't that trajectory is actually crazy they're completely different bands like what happened to them in the middle of that it doesn't make any fucking sense the guitar player he was in swimmers I forget his name

but he was a fucking like music guy and you can just tell by all the riffs but if you listen to the discography record which has a picture of them on it pretty iconic record cover it's got like an X watch on it um this is the first song that'll play and it is like it's kind of i guess it's it's really kind of what like the dc bands did when like embrace and writes of spring happen like the the post hardcore

thing this is very much a post hardcore kind of just alternative music song but man it is fucking perfect one of my favorite songs of all time to if i pick up an acoustic guitar this is the first. It's a power cord. So it's like one of the first things I play. It is fucking incredible. And I love it. And the cat loves turn. Which cat is that? This is squid. Squids, he's always curious. Big turning point head?

He's fucking sick at turning point. Yeah, thanks buddy. Good job, squid. Now, Squid's gonna love this next one. Oh, you're sitting right down. Okay. To me, my number three pick, I think this is the hardest intro of all time.

Oh shit. And one of the hardest bands of all time, they damn near made it to the final. Okay. The song is called Resist. Oh. From the album Truth in the Age of Lies by the band All Out War. The original version of this song,

which it's insane to me, that there are people out there that listen to the fucking, for those who were crucified version, not knowing what was, once attached to this song. Right. The hardest hardcore intro of all time in the original version of this song,

from the sample to the Hell of Waits, double-kicks, skank part, into the hardest intro riff a hardcore band has ever done. Gaggaling, gong, and then-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-and-and-and-and-and- and then that random, China in there.

Yeah, yeah. When bands cover that, and they don't do the random china in there. I'm sick to my stomach. Dude, that's a really good point. You can, vocalists can kind of do anything. Guitar players are kind of locked in.

If the drummer, if you're doing a cover and the drums don't do the stuff. The stuff? The drummer's got to do the stuff, dude. One of my biggest complaints is I'll walk away and I'll go, he didn't do the stuff. Dude, yeah.

I texted you this the other night, but you're, when God's hate cover, Master Killer, you specifically, and Taylor as well with the solo, but you specifically do it's, if it was guitar hero or drum hero, it's 100% perfect score. Perfect score. You do it exactly. I got to do the stuff. Yeah, it's really important.

You got to do, you know. Yeah. And the, do do do that, do that, do that, do get to do. Just like the, like the kick pattern, you do it exactly. And that's very important. But yes, I agree. That intro. It's the hardest one ever.

I think it's I think this is the best hardcore intro in history. Have we talked about in the other version, in the crucified version, there's the noise that happens. Have I ever mentioned this to you? Which noise? In resist itself, when it goes da, da da da da da da da da right? In the first or in the second chord, the da, da, da, da, there's a brink.

It sounds like a toy piano or something. I've, since I was in high school, I've wondered what that was. They were just having fun with toys in the studio. I have no idea what that noise could be. The other thing that makes me greatly prefer this version is, in the end part, when they finally do the big version of the Surge, over the high hat, when they do the realize, Mike does this long

realize in the back that he doesn't do on the crucify version that gets me fired some of the best like gang vocals too oh on the crucified version the best game vocals

yeah yeah I think I would agree like all at war and Biohazard have the best recorded game vocals in history kind of life of agony too it's the same guys it's three I mean that

That's, so on Typo used biohazer for theirs. So I wonder who's doing the life of agony ones. Well, you can tell it's Josh. You can tell because if you watch Typo live sets, he has a very specific. And that's very much in River Runs, right? And I think he was silently producing a lot of stuff. I think he's credited as the producer on it.

On River Runs Red? I think so. I believe so. That's your terror record. did sounds unbelievable. So Josh, please come back to me. Please, for God's sake. We're begging.

Yeah, but gray pick. Great pick. That's the best intro in history. So it needed to be on my top five. I'll give you the, the, no, I'm still saving it for my number one. And I also think it's the best. But my second, and I'm surprised you yet didn't mention it, but with the sample included, we don't fake it.

We just take it. Set it off. Madball. It gives you a taste of every fucking thing you're about to hear for the next 30 minutes. It's a great, damn. It's a perfect. There's the five Madball songs I should have put on here, you know? Yeah, totally, totally.

I love it. This is a top five hardcore song, period. Period. And they have another one that I think is the top, you know what I mean? Like one, yeah. Mr. Henderson, if he wrote this song, which I would imagine he wrote on, you know. Yeah. like from the verse riff to the tag

I love that it's like ticcagaggaggha and then groove all on the upbeat that's that you know what that is that's a guitar player writing the part. Yeah. Like a drummer I don't think would write that. That's very much like that. Yeah they'd be like fuck man that sucks I got to go

mid tempo I just started skanking. Yeah exactly. Exactly. I'd probably bummed to hear that. The chorus riff, the lyrics Dude, the ending pit being It's so unique and crazy And it doesn't even sound Like anything they were doing before this Agreed

And yet is very quintessential That era New York hardcore to me Yeah Da na na nao Like I mean you hear stigma talk about like Yeah I don't really like palm eating And you hear this and you go yeah

I don't really hear many and it's still the hardest shit ever. How did you do that? Really good point. It's crazy, man. Yeah. This is a life-changing album. 100%. 100%.

There's a, there's a handful of true landmark records that it's like, you have to hear this before you die. This is going to be the culture that you participate in. Yes. This is in the top five, probably. Yeah. This, this, this, this.

I got into this, before I got into Marauder, which I think makes sense. Yeah. And it just was like, oh, it was very much like a, because I was such a punk in Boston kind of guy that this was very much a, oh, wait, this is different, and this is heavy, and there's like lore and it's just, yeah, everything I want in a hardcore baby.

Everything you want, to this day. And, but you're not going to get it because Matt Henderson, nobody can do it like him. One of a kind? Come back, man. Matt. Give me some new stuff. Yeah, unbelievable. Great pick. Unbelievable pick. My number two. Yep. I could listen to this song on repeat 35 hours straight. From the album, Feel the Darkness. Oh. The song is Plastic Bomb by the band Poison Idea. We never talk about poison idea.

We need to talk about poison idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Pick your King, feel the darkness. like I have cycled both for days days of nothing else and makes you a man insane yeah also one of the coolest looking bands without looking cool to ever exist 100% just like yeah this is fucking us man

this is what we do we are take it or leave it you want to take a picture now all right I just sat down. All right. Holy shit, dude. Does this song have everything?

Yeah. Aggression, melody, production, and epic intro. And it leads way into one of the greatest records ever recorded. And it's hard. It's hard without being what we describe as hard all the time. Great point. it is hard in like the least conventional way even the album art

like everything they were just like fuck tiny tin dude put them on the cover kill him kill him give me every ring that you can find and give me a gun it's incredible man what a band I think we're going to have them on at some point soon so that'll be really fun because I got a lot of questions about

the whole thing there's a lot of questions about lot of lore with poison idea. Yeah, number one, how? How did you do it? How'd you do that? Yeah. Great peg. Pantera covers Poison Idea, you know? Wow. Yeah. Like a hardcore band that truly crossed over to so many people. Just by fucking rocking. I, I, what is the time frame that they were around? Early 90s? That was early 90s. Like, I think this is 90. Okay. Maybe or 91, but in late 80s too. God, unbelievable. That's what I'm listening to today.

You just kind of. You're going to have a break day. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's, that's very much a gym record for me. It's good for the gym because it's just like. Good speeds. Yeah, good speeds and you're just kind of going, you know. Yeah.

But great pick. Great. Thanks, man. Number two. That's number two all the time. This is my number one. I think it's, I saved it very specifically because I think it is probably one of the best intros ever into

what and it's part of one of the best opening tracks ever with some of the best hardcore production ever. Little band from Toronto called No Warning. Oh.

And confusingly, the Turning Point song was behind this wall. This song is called Behind These Walls Off of Ill Blood. Yeah. The Jada, and then the feedback

Axwell's. Jordan fucking Posner, dude. Go, go, go, Gaggan. Un fucking. You hear that, Jordan. You're number one for Bo.

Dude, so, so, so influential. This is a band that created more jobs than Amazon. It's no warning,

title fight, Musugga. They're out there, dude. No warning is certainly one of them. Dude, yeah. Illblood is

a perfect hardcore record. What was your, you said it's the best New York hardcore record? It's the best, yeah, it's the best New York hardcore record from the 2000s. Oh, that isn't Madball. And they're from Canada. And they're from Canada. Everything, dude, I mean, we could talk about this record forever, but I'll just keep it to the song. It again, it gives you a taste of what's to come.

Immediately Ben's voice, like, stands out. And like, this is one of those records where I know everywhere to. Where does that voice come from? I don't know. Summined from the depths of hell. Swagged, dude. Swagged out. This record is such an anomaly, much like the TUI demo and stuff like that, where when it came out, everybody rocked with it.

Didn't matter if you were like a posy guy. Yeah. You were a melodic guy. Or like a straight beat down guy. Yep. You rock with this. It bridged all. It was a vibe shift in all of hardcore.

Well, dude, you have. quarter. I know. You know, you have like all these cool elements where there was like, you know, that dude Zach who played bass, who was Shark Attack and like the more punk side. And then you had it just, it did everything. It crammed everything all in one. And truly one of my favorite guitar tones. Yeah. When it comes to strictly hardcore. And you know that's Jordan being a nerd who loves and lives and breathes the shit the same way that we did. Exactly. And Jesse on drums, who I've never seen mess up live once. And he does the stuff.

Does the fucking stuff, dude. He does his stuff, and I love that. It's so, because No Warning has stuff. They've got stuff. And I really, really appreciate that. I agree. Amazing pick. Great pick. It's number one. Our number one picks are very us, I would say.

That's fun. A band that has not been mentioned yet in the last hour and 20. 26 minutes. I wonder if I can pick it. Go ahead. I don't want it. They're from Connecticut. I was going to say time bomb.

Nope. But God, what an opener. From the album, Perseverance, proven. Dude. This is the greatest opening. This is the greatest hardcore opening track of all time.

Think about the pressure that was on them, Bo. Five years. Yeah, set the tone. Satisfaction's out for, five years. Touring. They're running shit,

touring the world, signed to a major label. Grinding their asses off. They could do anything here. They could be anything. I will be heard is about to exist. You know, it's about to take over the world.

Right. But the record starts with just blaring drums, open Sean Martin, perfect. Huge pick scrape. The biggest scrape. Yeah. This perfect.

song that doesn't do anything that happened on satisfaction. You're immediately getting more hate breed and they find a way to do something else. You're so right. Without sacrificing who they are or what they're talking about or what they sound like. And then they give you this fucking pit part, dude. And like I want to say it's a Slayer part. And it probably is. At the heart of it, it's probably like, let's do Slayer doing breakdowns, you know? And then you have Sean go like, yo, that's dope.

And then you have Sean by himself. By himself, dude. I've mentioned this before, but the video, I think it's Ohio Ozfest. It's the biggest pit ever recorded. And it's Sean with all the pressure in the world to nail these triplets. And he's not worried about it. Not even thinking about it. He just beat up crazy town.

He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, He's hammered. And it's time for him to hit the proven part. And it's beautiful. He's, he's, what am I without Sean? It's cheese, no burger, you know? Hey, breed. Look, what they've achieved is a true testament to the innovations that they have brought to our world.

You mentioned that they managed to give you more Haybred without doing anything that they had done on satisfaction. It's crazy. I'm realizing that like the... Like the chorus part, I guess it would be. It doesn't sound like satisfaction. Doesn't sound like satisfaction. But it sounds like Haypreed.

How is that possible? Dude, that's like one of the best points you've ever had on this show, I think. Because... It's crazy, man. That's a record that both records I know front and back. You know what I mean? No problem. And I've never thought about that.

And then think about what? they follow it up with. Oh, I mean, come on. Come on. Come on. A song with three parts, perseverance, the title track. Skank verse, uh, skank pre-chorus into the same riff as the chorus. They do that again, songs over. Yep. It's kind of can't stop once that vibes, where it's like, hey, we're going to do this thing real quick. You're going to love it forever and it's going to change your life. And then we're done. Yeah. But proven sets the tone for one of the best follow-up

albums in history, especially considering the pressure that was on them for that to be good, maybe no band has ever experienced. Wow. And they fucking delivered in a band. No band has done. And in a way, the sophomore album is so difficult, too.

So difficult. And like you said, with all the pressure, this was back at a time when a band could put out a record and then not have to tour that. much. Yeah. And they tore their fucking asses off, took their time, made

this a year later put out rise of brutality. Dude. Oh. You want to talk about, you want to talk about a closer into an opener? I know. How can you? Otherwise, it's bad brains and hate breed only. Yeah. Yeah. I know you love that.

I sure do. I love doing a part and being like, that was sick. That should be a whole song. Yep. So do that. more bands. Proven, my God. Great pick.

Thank you, Hey, Breed. That was our picks for the greatest album openers in the history of hardcore. There's some obvious stuff that was left off just because it's, we're trying to make it fun and different, you know? And again, gut, knee-jerk reaction says more than thinking about this and making it scientifically. You know what I mean? Like, there's a-

There's quality to that. Exactly. had to be real and this was we hope you enjoyed we hope we want to hear your picks for best album openings of all time leave them down below if you stay to the end uh say turkey banana down there say turkey banana let me know that you say till the end wow hopefully there's a few turkey we're doing a little research here doing a little research i want to i want to see who makes it to the end thank you all so much for joining us we will see you next week with foundation bye