HardLore - The Best of HardLore 2024

Episode Date: December 26, 2024

For our final episode of the year, we proudly present a compilation of some of our personal favorite moments from throughout all 52 weeks of HardLore episodes this year. We've already got some big plans and episodes in the works for 2025, but for now we thank you for the ongoing support and hope you enjoy. - Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepod - Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef Cool links: HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.com Get 10% off your order from GUILTY PARTY, the best menswear store in North America with code HARDLORE! https:guiltyparty.co Get 15% off MADD VINTAGE with code HARDLORE15! https://maddvintage.com/ Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

welcome it's hard door time how are you bo i'm doing so well colin how are you fantastic it is a it's a momentous occasion you know we we made it through another year 52 weeks straight of original stuff if you include the intro to this compilation episode there you go yeah we didn't miss a week didn't miss a week we're tired we're shot but we're fulfilled you know and i think watching all of this back to make this compilation and to figure out what's going on here really made it resonate with us how successful and how big this year was in terms of just our sheer output. Output, guests, like frequency, yeah, everything. It felt really good.

I loved going back and choosing my clips and stuff. And I just, I had a grand old time. I laughed out loud several times. Me too. And there's just, we learned so much this year, you know? Yeah. Stuff like the Paris episode and 12 hits from hell and stigma. That's like this is bucketless stuff.

Yeah, that's that's stuff that young Colin Abbeau would never, ever believe we were going to do. That's what I'm saying. Or just like could have used so badly. Oh, God. Great point. So, you know, we're honored to be the people putting this stuff out into the world. But, you know, and we're grateful and it wouldn't be possible without you, the watcher, the listener, without Stephen, our editor. Carrie, who makes our thumbnails, who has been killing it.

Stephen is tirelessly working around the clock to get this shit done. Truly, don't know what we would do without him at this point. Carrie has brought a visual unity to the thumbnails. It's really, she's got a system. They're looking good. Chris Hudson from Notfest. Oh. The boss man who greenlit this show many years ago and is the reason it's still going.

believed in us. That's right. Cosmic Joke and Greenwich, our first two releases. We started a label this year. That's pretty crazy. It's pretty sick, yeah. Fire Starter as well, put a single 12-inch coming next year. Just you were.

Very soon. And, you know, Taylor Young, who we did in-person episode there, he's the, he's like the, one of the moral mental backbones of the show in a way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that. If something goes wrong, he's the first. Tell me. Unless we forget, of course, our community itself, the Discord, the Patreon, the Patreon, the Patreon subscribers. We're very grateful to you guys. Absolutely.

Every day. Now sit back, relax, and get ready to reminisce on this incredible year we have, or catch up on some moments you may have missed. And enjoy. The Best of Hardlore, 2024. There was nobody that treated me poorly. You're tough to treat poorly, man. I can't even imagine. Thank you.

That's, yeah, that's user error. If somebody's got a problem with you, it's on them 100%. Read the manual. Figure it out. I was going to say, if somebody was mean to me, I'd be like, kill yourself. My favorite band is Lamb of God. Really? Yeah.

De Randle. Elepade. Their pits are gnarly. Do you ever spin kick? Huh? Do you ever spin kick? No. I'm not brave enough.

We'll get that. I used to right. You on the side of my head. Wow. And I was a toy breed. Old, old punk rock m-h-h-and my first time I ever got arrested was at a suicidal tendency's concert Unbelievable check him out your spin-kick yeah back in my old days you don't hit the pet anymore no I mean I used to I started going to shows in like 2006 2007 you like Marauder what marauder do you like them

you don't know you know you got to listen more art I will oh she loves it look at her face What, go? Do you listen to music at all? Yeah. Like in the airport and stuff? What are you into? Oh yeah, um, 2000s like popper, R&B or sq. Or like some rap or what?

You like Lady Gaga? Oh yeah. You like Heybreed? Who? What? What is that? Check them out. You'll get into it.

Okay. You'll like it. You ever hear the Chrome Mags? No. What is that? Sounds like this. Pretty good. Pretty good.

Good. You like Marauder? Sorry? Marauder? You like them? I'm mad at names. I just turned it on and I let it play. That's what I'm talking about.

Yeah. Knocked loose is fucking sick. Comeback kid, I don't know, old school. Christian hardcore, but fucking st- Not anymore. Not anymore. Not anymore. Me too.

So can I ask you guys a question? Of course. All right. It doesn't have to be before a breakdown, even though the best ones usually are. But of all the hard. hardcore songs you can think of right now. What's your favorite, like, line before that? I'll tell you mine first. Oh, okay. Go ahead. My favorite is, when the shit keeps piling up,

get a shovel. Oh, no. That's fire base, by it. Yes, that's my favorite one. One other one. Um, rest assured that with a heart that's pure, will be victorious, not let our right get the best of us. Move. heavy music, anything aggressive? Terror. The goats? Easy as that? I don't know them.

Don't do it right now. Don't do it right now. I can't hear anything. Pretty good. Did you plan to quit and take those songs with you? Of course. There are songs. So you saw happen there. We didn't, you know, there was no internet.

There was no connection. There was like, you know, you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. And Harley went off and like found Doug, found John Joseph. made a deal for a major record deal with Century Media. And, you know, I didn't know it was a race. I couldn't imagine in my wildest dreams that somebody would record our songs. Yeah. Especially since the whole time he was telling us how terrible they were and how he had a pull out and written.

So he went into the studio and he basically took every demo and everything that, every riff that he ever heard that I wrote and recorded them. And that's why there was all those extra rifts to make that other near-deaths. experience album but i remember going to like while they were recording i remember seeing gabby bularaj the guy yeah played guitar on that album because he was a friend with my friend marco i mean he had a rifferer i knew he was brother marco and i saw him and i went up to him and i was like man you know he because i assumed he didn't know i just you know to me i just assumed that everybody carries the same moral compass that i did right especially if you're an artist so i thought

But if he knew, he wouldn't be a part of it. So I went up to him and I basically told him the whole story. It's like, me and this guy Rob Buck, we wrote this album. We wrote all these songs. And so even then standing there face to face with him, I could see he was struggling with this idea of, well, now it's just horrible his word against theirs. And which is something I can really understand. And I said, but are there any other songs that you guys are recording that are not from that one

demo because he was explaining to me how like he learned all these songs of this demo that mean about me and i said i'm just curious like there's a bunch of riffs that i have that weren't on that demo like and i hummed him the the riffs to other side of madness manna na na na na da fada fada fada fada fada so like is there one that goes dang and yeah and he goes he goes yeah he goes how do you know that riff i go what do you mean i said i wrote it i'm telling you i wrote he goes and he just stood there and he goes now I know you're telling the truth oh why he goes because we had

we we we had all the songs that were going to be for the album but about a week ago Harley came to me and said I just wrote a new song and he showed me that and I said well if he just wrote it how to do you right because I hadn't been involved with them for like a year Wow. And he goes And that's when he looked at me

and he goes, oh shit, and now I know you're telling the truth. He was before when you were just talking about this demo, you could say he wrote it, you could say he wrote it. Yeah. I mean, even though, you know,

all you have to do is do the math. I mean, you as a guitar player, know that Harley didn't write those, like, all those harmonic minor metal music. I mean, those riffs are insane to the point where I,

like, I, if I was in Harley's situation, I would think in that moment, these aren't even stealable. These are insane. What he did was he found a competent guitar player like Gabby. He handed them demo. He handed him the demo and said, learn these songs.

Even Gabby told me that day when we talked, I said, what about the, it was even the solos. Gabby plays all of Rob's solos off that off of the demo. And I said, why did you do that? He goes, well, Harley said that he hummed the solos to Rob. I just started laughing. being at shows. Not participating necessarily the way that they would have 15 years ago.

Yep. Because, and let me say, disclaimer, what are we doing right here? Yeah, come on. I obviously. I have many feelings on this. I think that I get concerned, I realize the grave irony of this comment where we are. I get concerned about local S gigs. Like local gigs, regular local bands, where no.

Nobody is filming and everyone is hanging out and there's 75 people there. That needs to continue like really, really hard. And I think that like obviously there's like an inertia to more of like events. And I think it's been great because I think it's good for people. I think it's, I think there's like a social element. And I feel like I didn't really have hardcore. Like I didn't have friends going to hardcore like kids do now. And I think like around the country or in Long Island on Long Island.

I mean, I had some on Long Island, but like not to the extent. Yeah. Now people are like, oh, my buddy in Saskatoon. It's like, wow, how did you do that? You know what I mean? But no, I think like, so there's, that's where it's great, but like there's still, it can't be like at the detriment of regular. I see what you're saying. Where nobody is there to do anything but like hang out in junk bands.

Like I everything can't always be that sick. Yeah. Like it's good to have. It's impossible. It's impossible. It's good to have regular shows. And regular expectations. Good point.

Regular shows, regular expectations. Yeah, I definitely. I think there is there's definitely an element that I've seen of that over the years changing. I think there's it's kind of two sides of the same coin where yeah, I can see exactly that. And then I can see how beneficial social media has been to this kind of music because the kids are so young now. It's a really good thing. Love it. But then it's also.

We missed that for a while. The median age was like 25. Now it's also 18, 21. The diversity that like females, everything. It's amazing. It's never been more diverse. There's so many unbelievable benefits from it. I just think the benefits, I'll say this,

the benefits drastically outweigh the negatives. I think it's a numbers thing too because you can go out there and watch like during TUI and see 100 phones up. Yeah. But they're filming 400 people participating in a show. Yeah. You know what I mean?

It's kind of a numbers thing too where if someone takes a picture of people holding up their phones, yeah, that looks crazy. But then turn the camera and yeah, that's fucking... Even crazy. I also feel like I'm biased because, like, I don't really like watching live sets, except for I'm big into Euro metal fest.

Like, like Cannibal Corpse at Vokin. Oh, dude. All day long, I'm watching that. But, like, you love nasty, too. Oh, yeah. You're the number one nasty fan. You're the best biggest American nasty fan. Yeah, yeah, there's probably some contenders.

Do they know that? Yeah, absolutely. Sick. Yeah. I love them. Shout out to nasty. They're an unbelievable band that doesn't get talked about. It's a little hard.

Hard as nails. Dude, please. Please, check them out. They're an amazing band. I'm a huge fan. Unironic, by the way,

just to be clear. I'm a stand. No, they're awesome. I love the music video in the tour bus where they're like air guitaring. They are,

I mean, that's genius. It's unbelievable. It's genius. We need to do something. There is a video of Maddie dancing at a show. And it is the awesomest, funniest thing ever.

Dancing how? He does these like little kickies kind of in the air. just obviously to make his band laugh, which is like very like up my alley. He's like pitting? No, no, not hardcore dancing. He's got like swag for days.

Like I can only dream of having that kind of swag. No, it's an amazing clip. They just, they got their own thing going and they rock. A little song called fucking hash pipe, brother. Let me tell you a story. I think I've told on the show before. Okay.

The first vinyl record I ever owned. was a hashpipe 7 inch single. I'll tell you what I did. I put it on the wrong RPM because I didn't know that was a thing. And what I heard was... It goes... Dun, done, done, done, done, done. And I was like, I found the music that I like.

Weezer in hashpipe at 33 RPM defined what I look for in music. The first domino, dude. The first one was hash pipe. At the same time as Grimlock Thirst for Immortality, I had hash pipe 33 RPM. It's the heaviest thing I've ever heard to this day. When I first heard it, I was like, how can anyone palmute that fast?

Because it was very, I was like, didn't your dad say no one can play that fast? That was one with the underdogs. Or spit my rage. That was spit my rage. I was just trying to learn how to do triplets. And my dad walked through his office where all the equipment was.

And he was like, ah, they only had to play it once in the studio. Like impossible, you know. Yeah. But I literally, because what's the BPM? It's like 120. It's like the most easy, the easiest time about it upon me. And I was like, I was like 10 or whatever. And I was like, I can't believe this. I'll never be able to do this.

I can. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty much the hardest song ever. And I don't agree with what he's saying. Is it about is? Obviously, I know what a hash pipe is, but is that what the song is about? I mean, probably. Probably. He's like, yeah, you guys are all stressed out.

And, you know, you got your problems. I don't give it shit. I got my hash pipe. I just didn't have tools. You just wanted him to do it. And he's a guy. He's a man. He's a man.

And I was but a boy. And he like, there's like a snowy winter in Michigan. And my tire was flat. And I had no tools. So you called him or what? I think so. And he wasn't even in true love yet, I don't think. And he just came by and took my tire off and got attached up.

He mentioned something about drawing pockets on your jeans. Can you tell me about that? Dude, I'm surprised. Do you ask Cammer, is that a britty? Colin is doing this bit now where he, like, gets dirt on the guests. And I don't even know that he knows. I don't have much. There's not much to have on him.

He's a secretive guy. I'm not a secretive guy. The Braxton ship was crazy. That was crazy. That was awesome. That's the new band, I guess. just an incident in high school okay that's all that's we'll leave it at that

all right let's hear the strange darling story oh is that what you went to see yeah I went to see Strange Darling last night it seems great you wouldn't know I wouldn't know I'm done with AMC theaters once and for all it's over I do think Colin use this platform use this time

you use this time as your PSA I'm gonna use it because listen AMC you should be ashamed of yourself It should not be my job as your customer to enforce your policies in your theaters. 100%. You should have people standing on each corner telling people to shut the fuck up and put their phones away. Yesterday, I had to deal with, and I know when it's going to happen. You know? I can see when somebody's going to be a problem.

Do you get that anxiety? I get this horrible feeling. And the theater's dark. The theater's silent. the movie is starting and four people come up phones on flashlights on talking full volume like I think it's the last row

family size bag of Cheetos and I see that I go this is it this is going to be a problem they're talking over the like epic opening of this movie strange darling which seems great

I'm a big Kyle Garner guy I've had been for a long time. I'm very happy to see him have a win. These four people aren't shutting the fuck up. And my blood is boiling. I'm in combat mode. You know? Where it's like tonight is the night. 100%.

And I give him a stern shut up. And a lady in like thick Russian is like they sell the stuff here. You can eat it. They're eating. And I'm screaming at this point. So someone else is a third party. Talks to me.

Because there's four people, and the one at the end, Lana's in between me and her, and she's yelling at me. Oh, my God. Pack to her, and I'm yelling at her. You're in a fucking movie theater. Shut the fuck up. And then she's like, you shut up. And I'm like, no, you shut up. So, and then Lana's sitting in between and just like this.

And I'm sitting there like, I'm stretching at this point, you know? Because there's two guys with her. And I'm like, okay, I'm fighting both guys. Yeah, I'm mentally preparing like, okay, the movie's ending. and then I'll have to fight you guys at the same time. So I'm stretching a little bit. You know, I'm in my seat, like, getting ready. I'm taking things out of my pockets.

I'm just getting ready. And then one of our Erica leaves, because she's like, she can feel the tension. The tension is insane. So then they start eating louder. They start, instead of talking, are like, mm. Oh, my God.

As for provocation. And I can't. take it anymore because then it's like okay it's it's it's leave or jail this will not stand it will not stand it's it is like engage in combat two v one or or just leave this this theater and watch this great movie somewhere else anywhere else than amc theater how deep into the movie were you 15 minutes it seems great you're giving me anxiety right i can't wait to finish it someday i mean the movie is The opening is pure anxiety. So I'm feeling everything that she's feeling, essentially.

They are him. I'm her, Thomas. You know, that makes sense to you. You've seen it. I haven't seen it. So I leave and I, in the lobby, cancel my stubs. And now I will make it my lifelong goal to crush this corporation by any means necessary. Did you say anything on your way out?

No. Just. Because, you know, why, Bo, there's 400 other people in there trying to watch this movie. Of course. And, you know, in my conquest for peace, I create war. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. And that, and I realize, like, to some people in here, maybe I'm the bad guy. And I can't have that. There are a bunch of dubs. They're not willing to do what needs to be done. They can't do it. But I shouldn't have to do it. That's what I was going to say.

The Russian woman correcting you is in the wrong. 100%. In that moment, you were being valiant. Yes. She should have supported you. 100%. I applaud anybody who's work. Because I get real, real hinky.

I'm like, I want to fucking say something, but I also like, I don't, I live in Atlanta. You could possibly get shot for even asking someone to get out of this, your, your pre-registered seat. 100%. Yeah. And I understand that. And it's like, it's not that different here. You know, I've had conversations with guys who could fuck me up. Yeah.

So it's like, you, you being brave enough to say something. she should have been like, yeah, shut the The whole theater should have backed me up because they were They were, you could hear them in fuck on the fucking The Super Mario world, you know? Yeah. It was at the universal AMC, which is a lawless wasteland, so I should have known better. But it's over.

I'm never going again. Well, a few things. One, I'm sorry you missed that movie because I was just saying that I think it's, I think it's the best movie I saw this summer. I'm not thinking it's the best movie. Dude, the opening I was like, this is going to be the movie. But I saw a lot of stuff this summer that was a letdown. And I thought that was the best movie I saw the summer.

Two, the best tweet I saw this summer was people aren't going or not going to the movies because they don't like they don't care about seeing movies and theaters. They care about theaters not fucking holding up their policies. Oh, dude. Why would I want to pay 30 goddamn dollars to listen to kids? I, like, nothing makes my skin jump more than children because of my profession where it's like, why are these goddamn kids in here at 11 o'clock? Hell yeah.

They don't understand that complex rated R movie. Dude, they have no... They don't... Kids aren't aware that, like, we can kill all of them. And I'm sorry, I know you're a teacher. I don't want to get you in trouble for that. He didn't say that. I did.

Like, I'm so much stronger than every kid combined. How many you think you could take? Kid, like, what grade is we talking? You're standing in a gymnasium, tile floor. Yeah. Your dress however you want to dress. Yeah. Spin kick, God's Hey shorts.

They can be on. You got a stream of kid. A stream of kids, let's say every 10 seconds, grade one. Grade one? Every 10 seconds, another one comes. First grader? First grader. A thousand.

A thousand? No, thousands. Okay, but that's still, even if you're just kicking one. Ten seconds? I need one second per kid. If you're kicking one every 10 seconds, that's still you kicking like five tons. Yeah. That's going to worry you want.

All I have to do is get them on the ground and their brains are jelly. Would you use one as a weapon? And 100% easily, dude. You can make a barricade out of the book. 100%. Human shield through the shirt. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. And I'm not saying I want to do this. You just could. But they should know that it's an option. They should know it's, yeah. In a movie theater. I really don't, I don't care for, like, policing. I don't care for, like, a civil, what's it called, citizen arrests in any way,

outside of movie theaters and airplanes, airports. Because realistically, this is the literal one place in the world where you can't do this. Yeah. Like, if your goal is have a conversation to hang out with friends and, like, talk at all, you can go anywhere else. Go anywhere. in the world. I've expressed that.

I've yelled that on the show before, so I won't do this time. For free. You can do it for free. For free. You paid money to fucking talk. With much bigger, cheaper snacks. That's how good you got it. People are being killed.

We sitting here trying to make showers more interesting. You wash it. It's like Bo's a protein soda thing. No, that was cool, though. But they're doing it with sleeping stuff, which is kind of, kind of sick. But Bo's not trying to push it on me by like being in a towel with a little bit of titty me showing talking about everything shower. I see what you drift is.

Ah, I see. Now I didn't factor that in. Wash your ass and shut the fuck up. Right. Wash your ass and shut the fuck up. What is a thing that you like hate the most? That is the most common pop. Like a thing that like you see you can't stand.

So a thing that I do and I do with every band and I have to eat. pro often and apologize but it's who I have some ban will come out and if like too many of the wrong people like it I fucking hate without engaging I can't give a non-biased engagement

because I have that much disdain for what's going on sure I mean that is a tale as old as time where sometimes the fan base misrepresents ruins what you're hearing you know but as a typo negative guy sure I can't stand

for what the majority of that world is. Yeah. It's not your bag. It's not my bag, but the tunes are the tunes. When you feel that way about a band and then like 10 years later something happens and you go, I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. It won't just be about a band.

Or it sucks. Yeah. It's always like about a guy too. You know what I mean? Like I'll meet someone and everyone's like fucks with this guy, but something in my spirit is like, nah. And then you find out like, oh yeah, you try to put his penis in girls when they sleep. I knew something's wrong with it. I knew it.

And or even worse when I go to press a motherfucker out and then people like, no, don't do it. Why did you do that? And then years later, that person got comfortable. And when I should have broke his hand, you guys didn't want me to break his hand. Now he was using his hands and committed atrocity. But I could have took his hands away. Is it not every time? Every single time.

Every single time. I have a newfound pet peeve that I've finally come to terms with that I've been waiting to talk about. Oh, do you tell. in an event with audience participation when the first applause isn't loud enough. Oh, I see. You can do better than that. Let's hear it one more time.

And if I have to do the second applause, I am promptly leaving the room. I don't want to be here anymore. I'm out. If I wasn't what I, my best wasn't good enough, then I don't want to give you anymore. Especially when it's like, no, no, this is Omaha.

Let's hear it. Yeah, yeah. Then I'm going to fucking Tulsa, okay? What can you tell me about the most precious blood shopping cart incident? What do you get? This is his new thing, dude. He leaves me in the lurch with all this dirt, and I'm along for the ride. So I think I want you to be excited, Beau, is what I mean, you're not right.

I am invested immediately, you're right. A fun fact about me is in high school. I got my two front teeth knocked out. That was kind of your look for... Well, yeah. Frankly, I didn't even know you fixed them. Sorry, I can't hear you. I said, frankly, I didn't even know you fixed them.

It's been a minute. We're going to get there. Okay. I got them knocked out because we went to an abandoned hospital. My friend were like walking around in the dark. This is like the most fun. Like, oh my God. Abandon hospital.

Like this is sketchy. We do that now. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's probably ghosts in here. I want to see something. Take it. Do you know where it is? Yeah. Yeah, it's still there.

Perfect. Coming soon. Yeah, there you go. And my friend from high school, his name's Chris Bieber, he's walking down the hallway with this PVC pipe that's about 23 feet long. And he's dragging the front end of it across the ceiling. And the ceiling is like that drop tile stuff. Yeah. Well, eventually he gets caught in one of those little brackets.

I'm behind him. It's dark. Nobody can see what's going on. And so to get it out, he brings the front end down, like yanks it down, but it brings the back end of the pipe up. And it just whops me in the face.

Who's that, who's that wrestler, Colin, that got it real good with the ladder? WWE, I want to say Matt Seidel. It's obviously not Matt Seidel, but he like busts.

It's a Hardy Boys thing, and maybe, I don't remember, but I can imagine. I know, I know Cizaro lost some teeth. That was jumping into the ring post. And dude, he didn't lose him.

They got pushed in. Yeah, I'm terrible. But anyway, how old were you when that happened, Thomas? Oh, God, 16, maybe. Wow. So you rocked that for a while. No, no, I'm going to get there. So I, they get knocked out.

I immediately swallow them. They get broken out and both my lips get busted completely open and I swallow them. Dude, that double sucks because you swallow teeth. And the tooth fairy doesn't give you anything. You should be a shit for it. You're embezzling at that point. That's bullshit, dude. Terrible.

And the sad thing is, it's like, because I'm doing something I'm not supposed to be doing, I need to come up with a story, but I also had to drive myself to my mom's work. It's like, not something like, we don't have cell phones all the time. I can't communicate this to her in a fashion. I can barely talk. So I'm in the passenger seat in my car. Chris is driving it. We're like stopping at red lights and I'm looking at people.

looking at me and I'm just like I look like leather face like how how many times did Chris say I'm sorry oh so much do you thought I was gonna fight him yeah I think I would I to this I mean to this day does he ever like hey man you look at those teeth and just be like I did that yeah probably I mean I haven't talked to him in years but I would feel so bad sorry but go on so you're in the car so we're in the car we go to my mom's place and I'm like hey I need you know I call I asked for her I'm like I need Lori she comes down and then she just starts immediately cry Now, I'm like, mom, it's going to be okay.

I'm not understanding. Now that I'm a parent with kids, I understand. You just cost me so much money. That's why she cried. Of course. You fucking idiot. And then we have to make up some lie where I'm like, I got hit in the face with a baseball while we were playing or something like that.

Yeah. Not because we had legally broken in its place. Hey, Marissa. Yes. Do you believe in ghosts? Yes, I do. Do you? Marissa has had maybe more.

consistent active paranormal experiences than anyone I know. Damn. Take the title. You know? That's cool. What you've told me about like even like your childhood and your home is wild. And then the real recent thing. Let's start with that.

Yeah, please. Oh, yeah. Let's start with that. So our good friend Kale passed recently, drummer of twitching tongues, Marissa's ex-boyfriend. What did you do shortly after receiving that news? Well, I know a lot of people probably won't believe in this kind of thing, but I do. Mediums.

I really wanted to see one. I've been wanting to see one for a very long time. This is your first time? Yeah, this was my first time. I've read my own tarot and stuff in the past, but I've never gone to like an actual medium. Um, so I went to one. Well, I've lost a lot of people that were close to me growing up, um, family, friends. So when this kale thing happened, it was like, okay, I've been wanting to do this, but now I'm actually going to do this.

Yeah. I'm just like, you never know. It'll come through. Just looking for any kind of solace. Yeah. And with a yet another tragedy in your life, you know? For sure. And I went into it like still kind of skeptical.

I was like, I don't know what this is going to. to be like, you know. But it was really cool and kale definitely came through. And can you? Can you elaborate? I'm hearing this and I'm like, what do you mean? Cale definitely came through. And like, but like we know Cail really well.

Obviously there's no way that this medium would have had all the information or knowledge of Cale's, just his behavior that we have. Yeah. Can you, can you tell Bo? What you experienced. Yeah, I'm trying to think of like the funniest, like how to even, like, where do I start? Yeah. But obviously, like, other people were coming through to my grandma, my brother Robert, my God, who else came through?

My uncle. But Kale kept coming right back in, which was very Kale style. Like it would, uh... He kept interrupting. Like, the media would be, like, telling me something. something that my grandma's telling me and then she'd be like, hold on. There's something that this person's trying to say next, which was hilarious because Barrycale style. I'm going to pull my phone out for this. Oh, you wrote it down, didn't you? So the medium starts laughing

out of nowhere and goes, did this person make a lot of funny voices? Like mimicking people, like just making these like hermit voices or like, and I was like, yes, he did. And he's like, he keeps doing him like this whole time and it's really fucking funny. Well, he didn't say fucking, but you know. And then he goes to this person experience like a big amount of hearing loss. Wow. I was like, yes, from what I've been told. Yes.

Yes. Yes. He sure did. And I was like, yes. And he's like, well, he keeps making jokes to me to tell you to like keep wearing earplugs so you don't end up like him. I'm like, holy shit, this is crazy. That's insane.

Yeah. This was crazy, but he, the medium was like, did you guys share something like artistic together recently in real life, like in person? And I said, yeah, we did actually. I didn't say what we did because I wanted to like leave it up to him. Yeah. And he goes, well, he's telling me that you guys did something artistically together recently and he got to see what you did. real life and um he was very proud of you and he wanted me to tell you that and he that was like a really great day for him and he's which was right after our Gilman show yeah the Gilman show which was

one of the last shows that he played with us yes twitching tongues flush water harms away and grown drive bomb just say the whole lineup cruelty yes yes cruelty how could I forget um and I was like oh my god And then he said also he's telling me that he wants you to tell whoever he was artistic with that he's thanking them for like continuing his legacy and that he is watching and he loves all of them. So basically he's band members. She's telling me this as I'm editing the tribute thing. Yeah. Like I'm in the middle of editing the tribute video. And she's at my house telling me this.

Yeah. It like, I seem put together right now, but when this was happening, I was like, yeah, of course. Yeah. It, yeah, it was pretty crazy. There's a lot more. The guy goes, did this person like weed? And I was like, yeah, you can say that. And he's like, he keeps making jokes to me about that.

And I'm like, there's so many things that like, I'm like, this can't be fake. Yeah. He also was like he keeps showing me foxes. That was Kail's favorite animal. Favorite. He had all kinds of fox memorabilia. He had a big fox tattoo on his arm. Yeah.

The medium goes, is there a Kathy that rings a bell? That's his mom's name. He, which I did bring this message to Kathy. Oh, wow. Yeah. He told me to tell her that she loves him, that he loves her. And just so many. He was making a lot of jokes.

I'll say that too. The interrupting thing killed me. Because you're like talking to your grandma and thinking of kale being back, being back and be like, Marissa. Marissa is like the most kale thing imaginable. There was even at the end of the whole thing when like the dude was like signing off. Like he was like follow me on Facebook. Like show me to your friends. Like tell your friends about me.

Then he goes, hold on. And I'm like what? And he goes, that one. person that was talking earlier has one more thing that he wants me to tell you. And I was like, this is fucking hilarious because that's exactly your life. Yeah.

But he made a joke about how much I loved Halloween. He's like, he just wants me to tell you that he doesn't want you to ever stop living Halloween as much as you do. Oh. I was like, so that wrecked me. Obviously. Yeah. Of course. It was very special.

Yeah. And even if that motherfucker was throwing blind shots at a dartboard, God, he killed it. And he gave It just gave us a little bit of relief. I know. It was huge. Also, like I said, I got to like hear things from my brother, which to me was big.

Yeah. Of course. Yeah. My grandma. I wear this necklace for her. It's like three sevens because she was really into gambling. Fuck yeah. So am I.

So was he. So are you. Yeah. And I wear it for her. And the medium was like. my short little lady with short gray hair is telling me that she really appreciates the necklace that you wear for her and that

it's like looking at these three necklaces on here or two and a half necklaces on here I wouldn't be like one of those is definitely for grandma yeah and and also with like angel numbers being a thing yeah like I would assume I would profile Marissa and be like, oh, she's like in the numbers in like a spiritual way, not a gambling way. Oh, that's for her grandma. Yeah, exactly. I would assume you just like gambling.

Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. So huge. I definitely believe in spiritual things. Oh, a few seconds after that, I'm already fuming hot. I'm on like the eighth line of the song. I, what I feel, this, this much like, much like, uh, The Seinfeld episode where Newman gets hit by the spit.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. The lugi. I feel something. Keith Hernandez. I've got my, yeah. Keith Hernandez, he was innocent by the way. Yeah.

I feel, I have any ear monitors, right? So I feel a sudden impact, guys. I see somebody diving and I feel like I get shot in the head. That's the only way I can describe it. So I then see, I look, I'd feel like slow motion as if I've been struck by a gun with a bullet in it. And I look down and I'm pissed. I look down and I see one Bowen Daniel Luters singing up at me. And I shake my head for a second because I'm like, you fucking motherfucker.

And then I just embrace it. And then it led to this beautiful photo here. But before that beautiful photo. Vinnie, how many times you've done this walk? Dude, I mean, a billion times probably. Every day. Because CV's is right there. All right, here we are in front of the world famous CBGBs in New York City.

Wow. I've been coming here since before with CBGBs, but it was still Hillies on the Bowery. My house was right here. You were right there. So this was like my neighborhood scrub bar. You know what I mean? Yeah. Neighborhood kids hung out here.

There were bikers that have, but like, hobos. Like, people like, years ago, there were, like, men just laying on it all over. Like, forget about it. It was like, and like, and like, how these people never got sick and all like that, you know? Think the alcohol, you know? Yeah.

Anyway, I played here a lot of years. I got a live album out of here. Hilly was always a good friend to me. He was always good to me. I mean, you know, he was like a manager. I still load in on Sunday. As I'm loading in, like, well, coffee, hilly, I'm going for coffee. Yeah, all right.

I come back with the Italian cookies. Forget about it. That was the Elob. Every Sunday, I would do that. I would be a liar if I said I didn't like the broccoli cheddar soup. It's delicious. It's the worst thing for you that you can eat. Dude, it's like 1,800 calories a cup.

I see, I see ads for that at my gym. They're sponsored ads by Panera at my gym. Just the soup. For the broccoli cheddar soup. Like, we got it here. Come on over. It's also like, you get in a bread bowl and it's like, you know. That sounds awesome.

They got bread bowls? Yeah. That was like their thing. They got red bowls at Panera? Oh, bread. Bread bowl. A bread bowl with half a sandwich is like a deal. Oh, yeah.

Brennan, I need you to make me a deal. Sure. Before this airs. Okay. We need to all try the lemonade that kills you. Yeah, I would love to. Let's all individually try it. We can do it tomorrow.

Yeah. We'll splice it in. Here it is. Oh, I can definitely do that. Hello, Colin and Beau. We're here at a beautiful Panera bread in Nanuette, New York, a fireplace here. This is one of the beautiful paneras that I've been to, and we're going to try the death lemonade today. Okay, we're here today trying the Panera lemonade that kills you.

First try. I'll do this on a scale from one to five heart attacks. It's actually very good. It's unironically good. It's a little 4.5 heart attacks. It tastes like tea. You don't taste anything different, so that's going to be a problem because there's like 300 milligrams of caffeine. Honestly, pretty good, but I don't know if I ever need to drink it again.

Update. Crashed, went home, took a nap. It's 8.38 in the evening. A band called Juice Box played. Dude, I've toured with Juice Box. Yeah, they're badass. Singers are a tatter. Yeah.

They rip. It's like New York hardcore vibes. The first Harb's Way tour was with Juice Box. Oh, then this has to be a different juice box. Okay. It's a brand new band called. juice box for sure from Texas. Okay, okay. Must be a different band.

Also, I might be thinking of a band called Juice Time. You're awesome. Real classic bowman right there. Any ounce of energy I have is getting used. Oh, I know what's, I know what happened. I remember. So every night I'm looking out at this,

at like this big, you know, there's a crowd of people at the front avoiding mosh so i'm like all right this is a perfect place for me to for me to take a tumble onto so the first first uh first dive in san antonio was the was this the most beautiful front flip i've ever flipped it's a very very just like gymnast-esque front flip landed on my feet and in the moment said out loud oh wow i landed on my feet get back on stage and i'm like all right well Well, there's a whole other side. I got to do this again.

And you can see, you can see in this video that the crowd over there is only crowded because there's a big monitor there. So they're hiding this monitor from me. So I'm, I go full send. Yeah, you're fully committed. Full committed. And you can see in this video right here, my body thuds monitor, thud, ground. There's a very distinct,

boom, boom. I didn't feel a thing, luckily. That's good. That's good. Until later. Poor boy. Yeah, right.

But in that moment, it was like, all right, this is last moment. This is the last time I'm ever doing these four sets back to back. Again, I might as well go hard.

That happened. Get back on stage. We're done. Immediately between Between setting up both sets A guy standing at the front going Hey yo! Let me get a pick!

Let me get a pick! Pick! Picture! I'm drenched in sweat in ways you wouldn't believe. Holding symbols pouring sweat out of my ass. Wetest ass you've ever seen from sweat as well as other things.

Pick! Oh my God. Let me get a pick. Pick, which is great. You know, I love that anybody wants that. Of course. But God, give me a fucking minute, man. Give me a minute, brother.

Give me one minute. Now, what can you tell me about the Brax Challenge? Oh, no. This is like Nardwar. So Braxin, tell me about the Brax Challenge. The Brax Challenge. Yo, this is nuts. So it was my first, like, U.S. tours were Wise.

I don't know. Who is leaking this info, man? This is a Nardwar stuff. Yo, so I did not use the restroom number two vibes from L.A. to Atlanta. No. No. Yeah. How many days was that?

How many shows? I mean, that's even that drive is crazy. So I don't even remember. I remember the shows with abuse of power. Okay. At this spot called the bakery. The bakery. Okay.

So you're saying to Atlanta. That means it happened in Atlanta. Was there abusive toilet going on or what? I have the little boosy hot chips. Like straight up. You know, like the rap snacks? Yeah. Yeah, I love the Fettywop one.

This next one is going to break your brain in half. And no. No? This is easy. Okay. Oh, fuck. We're going to argue. It's Deoside all the way.

Get Taylor on the line. There's no way D.S.I. It's heavier than typo. Are you serious? Are you serious? Heavier? What are you saying? World coming down?

Yes. You're thinking, you're too emotional here, dude. No, no. This is science and facts and logic. D-Asside versus Typo. Talking about wanting to nail the Nazarene and kill God is heavy. But there is nothing heavier than constantly wanting to kill yourself, dude. Emotionally, sure.

And that's a third of what we're talking about. Bo, deicide versus typo, listen. yourself. I get it. Emotionally, this is my favorite band of all time. To say typo is way heavier than deicide is emotional. You're being reckless. I really don't think so. From the tuning to like the fucking China used on world coming down to the subject matter. But intention is not even heavy with typo. That's not true. I don't think that the intention of this is like this is the heaviest song ever. I doubt they ever said that. Dude, they wanted...

They wanted to be Black Sabbath, of course. They wanted to be the Beatles and Kiss. But there's a quote where one of them said we covered Daytripper because it's heavy. I know, but still. Heavy. They use the word. Your whole thing is we are a mixture of Kiss, Black Sabbath, and the Beatles. That's what they say.

Yeah. DISA will say, fuck you, fuck God. That's what we're... That's our influence. That's hard. It's badass is. It is. Of course it's badass.

Don't, I mean, I'm not saying that D-Assi is bad. I'm just saying if we're talking heavy. This is crazy. Wait. This, Bo, this is my favorite band. I know, but blast beats are not. You think I don't hear where you're coming from? Blast beats don't equal heavy to me, you know?

And Typo doesn't have that. Deoside isn't all blasts. I know they're not, but they have way more than Type O who have zero. Yeah? Yeah, that doesn't help your case. Of course it does. I just said that blast beats are not heavy to me, and Typo have none of them.

They can be. They can be. You're right. They can be. Like ASUK is a very heavy. This is a crazy, he's, I'm telling you. Yeah, but see, this is kind of bad because I'm realizing you guys grew up the same and you're going to, of course you're going to agree.

You, oh, please, feel free. If you've got a, if you've got a judge, you want to call in on this? James is, I think James is working around. Let me call them. Yo, you're on the podcast right now. We are doing a bracket of heaviest bands. I need your opinion, okay? Let's hear it.

So we're on this one semi-final bracket. We have typo-negative versus D-A-side for heaviest. Heaviest. Heavest. Not hardest, heavy. I mean, like, if we're going what I like better, clearly typo-negative. But, I mean, once upon the cross, I mean, is probably heavier, in theory, than anything typo-neged. heavier than World Coming Down?

100%. I would say Colin says 100%. Deaside has harder parts. If we're talking about heaviest comparatively, I like world coming down

better than anything DISA's ever done. Okay. I think we're going heavy. Okay. James, James, I'll text you.

Hold on. Someone else is calling. I'll text you back. Sabah. Yo, you're on the podcast right now. He's on a boat. He's on a fucking boat

He's on Harvey's Lake Yo We're doing a heaviest bands bracket Okay Yeah, yeah We need your objective opinion This is for heavy, not hard Yeah, heavy

D-aside versus typo negative Who is the heavier band? Type-O No Typeo easily Typo by leaps and bounds I would agree Is that all you called me for?

That's all I called you for Maybe we need a next It's that simple. It's that simple, yeah. All right. Typeo negative by a head to flank. Perfect. This is not right. Collins pissed.

We're tied. I love you, buddy. Colin, get your ears check. He says get your ears check. Love you, buddy. No, no, no. All right. We got to get one more judging before we can make this call.

You're right. We do. Who you calling? Tyler Young. All right. All right. So, you know, we called others just in case to get others. other opinions, and now we've got a double tie for this next bracket, which is...

Reiterate heavy. And this is heaviest. But to me, the answer is clear. Type 0-0-negative versus D-A-Side. See, okay, well, you were putting the brackets together. I said typon-negative shouldn't be on the brackets. So... For heavy?

I'm going with D-A-Side. It's D-A-Side. All right. Heaviest. That's what I said. So James Pliggy agrees. Sabah says typo. Yeah, but

he's special. Look at me. Depends on the band. Look at me. There are more cables and strings break the drugs. Right here. 100%.

Okay. This is mean. Okay. More sticks or drugs. How did you lie? Hang on. How did you do this? Fear.

coincidence, Alec, name something most likely to break on stage. A part of my body. Show me, Alex. I want you all. I want everybody to think about the odds of that working. Our mutual friend Lars wanted us to ask about Robin Williams once being in here. Okay. I don't have the glass I put it inside because I cleaned out my closet because the lady's coming out.

I've got a maid now. The lady's coming. The lady's coming. The lady's coming to me. She's coming in a lot. And also the glass. guy for my doorbell my doorbell's out he's these coming tomorrow we're all to them nine o'clock in the morning so after you guys are gone I got a so

so yeah Robin Williams first of all he had a day off because Lars sponsored him in the alcohol or drug or whatever so he had a day off he came to my tattoo shop Lars was tattoo and he used to do these little tattoos of course right so So, Robin Williams came, and we put it on the internet that, you know, we're going to be tattooing. You get a t-shirt, a tattoo, a stick, you know, you hang out with law, whatever, you know, for $100 or whatever. It was a good deal. It was just like a promo type thing. So, Robert Williams was there all day long.

And people that came in, of course, recognize them. Of course, they asked for his picture or autograph, something like that. I didn't, or none of us did because, you know, leave the guys. after we did the tattoo thing we went he took us out to dinner we all went to Indian restaurant and some guy ordered the chicken Vindaloo the guy said yeah that sounds good let me try it I'll try that next guy yeah I'll try it we all ordered chicken Vindaloo right it's hot it's the spiciest thing yeah yeah yeah yeah so it was the winter time I had chap lips oh and I was eating the

chicken vindle him I was going I was sitting right next to rob him he's going oh hot lepero and I'm trying not to make him be on yeah yeah yeah I didn't want to like be tell me jokes you know I didn't want to be that guy you know because yeah so he's like making fun to be like kind of okay whatever after that we all came here had coffee cigarettes and we started writing songs with laws and wow yeah stuff like that. Robin Williams, right? Some Skinhead songs.

No, Rob, but we wrote a stigma song here. With Robin Williams? We're Robin Williams around. It was Mike, Robin, well, influenced by Robin Williams. He got thrown in there and Lars. Producer credit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got to be the only song he's ever produced.

Emotional credit. Aladdin and Stigrant. Yeah, that's the fault. Yeah, that's it. Before we do that, we do that, What's going on with you? Well, Colin, you want to bring this up now? It's, I mean, I guess we can.

We can address it. Some footage has come to light that I'd like everyone to review. I was injured over the weekend. During the harm's waist set, Colin took some liberties. Oh, I heard you kicked them or something. He kicked me square. I would like you to witness. It's a lie.

Oh, wow. Hold on. evidence. Is this multi-angle? This is false. I'm gonna, I'll bring it over there for you guys to review.

No, that's false. That was a kick. The foot went above the head. No, listen, there's no contact made. I was just showing him I could.

How? Was it, was it threatening on purpose? No, I knew. I saw his head. Oh. No, I didn't get it.

Yeah. This is absolutely bullshit. It's nuts. And then he sold it. He nailed it. You rob, damned him, dude. Wow.

No, you sold it like a motherfucker. You're good at your job. You do. Damn, yeah. And then just turns around cold. Cold as ice. Steven, walks away. You're the only person who can disprove this.

I want to send me another angle of his own. What time did you wake up and make that? Stephen smashed his head so hard he can't. Here's the thing. You can't remember anything. There was, there's 50 people on stage that can prove this wrong. I would never kick you. I just wanted you to know that your life is in my hands and my feet.

Stephen is a head trauma brother of mine as about 30 minutes ago. We walked in this theater to set up for this shooting, and our videographer Stephen sland his head so hard into a doorway that he literally made the Looney Tune to Tiberius. We all cried laughing for about 20 minutes. If you watch the hauntler from Brain Dead where we are right now, that came out last year, you'll remember Daryl's desk. Daryl's desk, it killed Steven. It killed.

It was so, like, shocking. I didn't even, yeah, I didn't even register that, I was like, no, that couldn't have been real. It wasn't real, so I didn't start laughing right away. But yeah, so that is the young pruder film. It's approvably false. It'll be in the episode. I'll obviously take care of this. It's not real.

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that you will pray to God it rains or snows or something. so you can test it out. Enjoy the rest of this very fun, best-up episode. I kind of got more into like emo stuff as well. Okay. I heard that you have a very expansive knowledge of Fall Out Boy lyrics and lyrics in general. Very expensive.

I heard that you are a diehard lyric memorizer. That is true. I don't know how you heard that, but that is, is actually very true. So around this time when you're young and discovering hardcore in Leeds, is this around the time when your grandma Helen would ride around

in a tank around town? How do you know this? We're going to play you one second. One second of an iconic hardcore song. Okay. You just have to tell me the band. That's all you got to do. It ain't going to have.

We'll try. Oof. That was, I gave you the best second anyone's ever given to. All right. One more time. All you got to do it, Sting it through, play the riff out in your head.

You didn't give me much of work with it. Oh, I gave you everything. More than you'd think. More than you'd think, but less than you'd hope. Wow. That is wise. I have no fucking. You're going to guess and say converge or something?

It's not that. It was integrity. It was integrity. Vocal tests, there are no real lyrics. The lyric is, I tried. You tried. You did great. It's the point of the show?

No, no, no, not at all. I got one wrong. I get me happy right now. Disappointment. You got one. on on camera you did great don't worry about it

you're going to cry you're great meeting you're good thank you sir this is how you treat your fucking master killers on Patreon sir oh we got to take a pause here so yeah one time

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he goes fuck that place I'm like why he goes they had the worst pizza I've ever tasted in my life. Chicken teakamasala pizza. I don't want that shit. No, no,

no, here's the thing. Here's the thing. It wasn't the worst pizza I've ever tasted. It was the attitude. Because when you, they go, trust me,

you don't want the margarita or the pepperoni. And I was like, you're only as good as your margarita. And they're like, listen, man. Okay. Here's,

if you order, if you don't get what they, if they recommend you something, and you don't like it, they say they'll make you something else for free. So I let them order me the ticamacalla one. I tried it. Free food. 100%.

I tried it. Didn't like it. And they said like, okay, we'll come back next time. We'll get you something else. There will be it next time. This is when Colin literally only ate wing stop and pepperoni pizza. Like the fact that he was somehow conned into getting a teakamasa. Pala pizza is beyond me.

Yeah, just shocked. He already knew he wasn't going to like it. I'm not going to argue with this guy for a 16th minute. I'd already spent 15 to him. And to set the record straight, that pizza is amazing. It's fine. I've gone again and I had it again. I think it's fine.

Give yourself a nice little intro and then say your four favorite hardcore records of all time. And action. Wait. What was the format again? Do I say terror? Okay, what's up? I'm Martin from terror, God's hate, et cetera. And these are my four favorite hardcore records.

In no particular order, I'm just gonna go for, so strife one truth, because victory records in my era was on top, which also leads me to satisfaction. Hate breed satisfaction is the death of desire. Number three, I hate to be so, what's the word I want to use? Like, so this is an expected one, especially talking to you, Marauder Master Killer. Yeah, so that's my number three. And then number four, candieria, the process of self-development.

Huge record for my formative years going to shows. and still, whoa, look at the cat. Huge record for, yeah, one of the greatest. Like, still a record I listen to on a weekly basis. Yeah, so. That works for four. Hello, everybody. My name's Scott.

I sing in the band tear or scream. I can't sing. Whoa. Top four best, best or favorite? Favorite. One's, don't forget the struggle. That's easy. Two, I'm going to go with Born to Expire.

Three, I'm going to go with Set It Off. And four, this isn't true, but this band needs shine. This band is slept on, and this record's amazing. The Beyond LP, no longer at ease. If you don't know it, check it out. It's fucking great. It's probably really like number 19, but for this, it's going to be number four. Where would zero tolerance be?

They don't have an LP. Rumors were out that they were going to sign to in effect. if they would have done that and recorded an LP. Two. They could in a top war zone, but two. It would have been two. Thank you, Scott. My pleasure.

Thank you. Can you tell me about, do you recall an encounter with an art teacher at a hardcore show in Baltimore? Oh, man, yeah. That's embarrassing, man. I mean, like, that was kind of, that kind of summarizes the vibe of shows about. back then to be honest, like 15 people in a room, you know, and like someone gets hurt. Like that's kind of like what would happen back then.

I will say though, actually, that show and that time, that was a Brace Wars plane. Oh. And they had a song that was like, I forget what it is, but it was actually like that being at that show is what inspired the song Gemini by T-U-I because- Really? Yeah, it's a similar thing like where it kind of drops down

gets kind of like, yeah, dun dun dun dun like that. They have a song that had something like that and I remembered from that show. Wow. See, it's all coming back.

This art teacher, he has to be sacrificed. No fucking way. A Chicago leg. Does it have the drums on it? Is it turn on? Yeah. Holy shit.

This might be the craziest thing in here. Oh my God. Dude, what? No fucking way. Suck a caribou's ass. Suck a caribou's ass. Enroll McDonald's. I went to see the show.

I went to see the rock show. The second it started. It was like, oh. It's like, okay. Wow. That's going to make me cry. I just suck the caribou's ass. me about the Grammy win?

Grammy win was weird, man. It was fucking strange. We've been, I've been up for a few, and I didn't think this was not the one I thought we would win, you know. I did some stuff.

Yeah, I did some stuff with Gojira, that got nominated twice, and then I did, the previous Body Count record got nominated, and they got invited to play. They do like a Grammy pre-show, where they give out all the like less popular awards.

Right. Like best metal performance and like best jazz duet and whatever, you know. Yeah. So and it's like it was at the garden and it was sick and we went, did the sound check and they're playing and then they tell us like you know, we're sitting at the award show. Everybody goes up

to perform and they tell us, okay, after Body Count performs, everybody go right here because they're about to announce your category. So we're like, oh shit. they're putting us like right next to the stage. Like we're 10 feet from the guy who's announcing like the awards. And they're like, okay, everybody's standing right here. We're like, holy shit, I think we won.

And then they're like, and the award goes to Mastodon. And then we get ushered off like the hook comes out. And we just get ripped off the stage. And everyone was like, what the fuck just happened? Yeah. But so I was like, all right, if we didn't win that one. Right. You know, that was the shot.

We're never going to win it. And then, you know, fast forward, like, to the next album, it's COVID. And we're like, I didn't even watch the Grammys because, like, I don't know, some fucking crazy world event was probably happening. I was just, everyone was at home and they were, like, live streaming the Grammys and stuff. And then my phone starts blowing up. Like, oh, body count just won a Grammy. I was like, how?

What? You know? But that means I want a Grammy. Wait a minute. Yeah. I was like, oh, shit, okay. That's cool. Yeah, and then I went back and you know and I was like well let me get a clip from somebody, you know

So I wasn't I really wasn't expecting it especially like I mean that I don't remember everybody that year But I know like power trip had a nod that year. Yeah, I was like they're gonna fucking win this for a live song When this is how like weird the academy is like they put out a song that year Yeah, I mean I mean was nominated I don't know the choice I'll never fully understand it I I I I I I I I I have a little insight into how the Grammys work, and I still don't, I think it's not quite put together. Sure. It's not the most in touch all the time, but, I mean, it was cool. It was still cool to see a band like that just be nominated.

Yeah, I agree. And then I was like, we did a song with Riley, like, on the body count record. And they chose, and they chose, and it was like a single, too. And, like, there's a video with ICE and Riley and stuff. And I'm like, just pick that song. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. The whole thing was like surprising. But it was like, it's cool. It's like the type of thing where like your mom's proud of you. And it doesn't really change my life. But it's definitely, I don't know, I never thought it would happen. You know.

It's amazing. Yeah. I appreciate it. I don't think, you know, I don't know if it happens again. I feel like that's a one and a guy. We'll say. Even the nomination asterisk is like something you carry forever. Fuck yeah. Did you get any cool, uh, any cool sweat? gift bags or anything? I got a plaque. It's a very nice plaque. And then I was told I was getting one in the mail.

And then it just never showed up. So we'll see. Amazon's got him. I'll send you one. Yeah. Well, they said, ICE is going to make me like a, he's like,

I got a fake one for you. I made for like my homies. I'll get you one of those. Are you giving Patrick Stewart? Sir Patrick. Sir Patrick Stewart. Like a racist bangers playlist to like. To get him in the car?

No. So, but he went, he went deep. I don't know how he totally prepped, but. Did he get to the second screwdriver record? I had, I had lots of references. Okay. And both American and British and, you know, he kind of saved the flip. Came in last minute.

We couldn't find Darcy. And all of a sudden he had switched management companies saying when I was at, and I got a call like, how about Patrick Stewart? I wasn't aiming that high. Like, he probably wouldn't do it. But he just wanted to rock and roll and he was so adamant about doing this. It was amazing.

But I was so busy with prep. And I don't think things through all the way. That's why I have Macon Blair, who's actually fucking here. Woo! Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And correct me if I'm wrong in Macon, but Macon wrote like a three-page history for me because I was like, dude, I can't, I'm doing shotlisting and shit. Like, I can't do this. So he just, and I think that might have really helped get Patrick Stewart on board. Wow. Very cool. Yeah. Tell me about transitioning.

Okay. Transitioning was kind of something that was like, it's been a long process. for me. I wasn't like one of those people who like jumped like straight into it. I'm like been on hormones for like the, you know, seven years I've been out or whatever. Um, like just because like touring and stuff like I'm like on and off with hormones. I'm trying again now to be like I'm like doing it. Is that difficult like just even taking the stuff with you? Yeah. I mean it is because like I just do it through like a community clinic. Oh cool. Shout out VCC. Um, and uh, so like it's free. It's free. It's free. It's cool, but it's a little triggered to, like, get in for appointments and get refills and stuff. I have a new doctor there now who she's just, like, will give me a year supply. Oh, amazing. Yeah. Did they have a network across the country of like, okay, if you're going to be here and you need.

No, but you can get prescriptions sent to different places. But transitioning for me is like always like weird things. It's purely a physical one. Like emotionally, I haven't changed. Like what I do as a person, like, there are a lot, like, people who come out and they'll immediately become like a caricature of like a woman or a man. and like put on the dresses, people pretty,

but for me, like, I never changed who I was, still do everything that I do, even if it's not, like, the stereotypical, like,

what, you know, people think of as, like, a trans woman, you know? So it's, it's kind of just a thing, almost more just,

like, a personal journey, and it's almost mostly physical. Like, cool to, like, you know, blend into,

like, women's, like, uh, accepted and stuff like that. Like, you know, if I could go out and hang out

with Emma from dying wish or, It's like, oh, like, now, like, if there's, like, the stereotypical, like, separation, like, all the girls go to get ready. And the guys are, like, going, watching music videos on the couch. Like, I go and do my makeup and get ready with them, you know. So, like, those kinds of things are, like, validating and nice. And I really like that. Beautiful.

But for the most part, like, I just didn't change as a person. When did you, how early did you know? I was, like, questioning a lot throughout, like, high school. And I was, like, I kind of used to, like, front, like, very, very masculine when I was, like, freshman and sophomore. because I didn't know what these feelings were. So I'm like, oh, I'll, like, counter it by, like, always having my shirt off. I had, I was, like, super muscular back then. I had, like, a fucking eight pack.

Like, I was just, like, yeah, I was just, like, really masculine back then. And I kind of started to embrace a bit more femininity and how I dressed and, like, stuff like that, like, junior, senior. And then I moved to San Francisco right after I graduated. And, like, that's kind of where I was like, oh, bought my first dress, started wearing makeup around, like, outside in public. Because outside of Che Cafe, San Diego is, like, kind of conservative. It's, like, a weird mix.

It's, like, neoliberal, like, suburban moms who want to be, like, progressive. But then there's a lot of extremely conservative types, too. I mean, we just have a huge, like, racist problem. We probably still have a huge racist problem. San Diego is the Boston of California. And either way, neither sides want change. Like, a neoliberal versus a conservative Christian. They both of them just want the status quo.

So anything different. It hasn't changed. much since I grew up there. I'll go to the Salon of Beach still and I'm like, nothing has changed. There's just a different boutique on that corner now. So, you know. Total honesty to the public out there. I had nervous breakdown on NERP Descend and Rain Supreme.

So, you know, I was, I'd never been under the microscope that hard. Oh, wow. And that level of playing, even though Covenants and Severed Head, the band I was in before that were Death Metal Band this was a way big step up. I had to learn different foot techniques, doing double strokes. Is that like the heel, toe thing? Yes.

What's the side to side one? That one's crazy. Just swivel. Swivel's crazy. It's actually, dude, just honestly, next time you get behind a kit, just rest all of your leg weight on the pedal, put your beater against the head,

and then just start putting out a cigarette. Let's see. Oh, really? Just start putting out a cigarette. And then just slightly let off a little bit of weight, and you will find that it just starts going. Oh, wow. Cool. It is so good to see you.

It's so good to have you here. Like, after a road of uncertainty, it is truly, I'm having trouble putting this into words here. After. Well, you said it, you said it perfectly. It's literally a band's worst nightmare. It's anyone's worst nightmare. But specifically, the thing that we all do is drive late at night, you know? And it's, it's horrible.

It's scary. True. After such a long and difficult road of recovery, is there still a long road ahead? I think that there's like a long road ahead, but most of it is just like convincing the rest of the band that I'm like ready. Because I think sometimes I push them like, I'm like, I really want to play and they're like, can you? And I'm like, yeah, like, let's practice. Let's do stuff. And they're very like, maybe they're just being conservative, but I'm just like, come on. like let's go for it yeah yeah and you just practice for the first time how was that yeah we did it was awesome it was like seriously so fun and it was just like cool to get back to practicing

because i was like we can do this like and like anything that we have it's like offers like if they're like i don't know i'm like you do know like we can do this i mean that's unbelievable how's your voice feeling it's feeling good honestly like and especially like after practice Like, I think that I was worried, like, am I going to feel shot? Am I going to not want to talk the next day? And then it's like, no, it's fine. Oh, wow. I mean, that's incredible.

I remember when you started singing, texting me being like, hey, what do I do? Being like, help. I think you do this well, and I'm going to break my voice. Can you, like, tell me what I'm doing wrong? If I did what you were doing, my voice would never come back. And the fact that you can still speak means you're already better. it than I've ever been.

I don't know about that, but I do appreciate it. I don't know. We'd just be toying around. Sometimes we play right here. Yeah, really? You play right here, or I played down by the river. Do you remember writing anything specifically right here? Or an inspiration for anything?

Not particularly right here. Not particularly right here. I saw you guys talking about like street fight the song and like how it came about like with the lyrics and all. So Jeff and I were eating at a place called Paul's Burger. Not McDonald's. Not McDonald's. Okay. But it's not a Big Mac. The Big Mac might be a little exactly. No, no, because like, like, I just totally like wrecked the song for you. I'm sorry. Walking down the street with the Paul's hamburger. It's literal. Don't flow. It's same. Lyrgy. It's hyperbole. It's fine. It's more interesting than that. So like we, we, we, uh,

So we're hanging out eating and something popped off right in front of the burger place like like like like a brawl and You know so we're just like oh all right whatever and Jeff starts just writing words on a napkin It was a week night wasn't it it was and he was just like man yeah, I love this You know what we'll write this down Wow pretty much yeah so yeah he wrote he wrote you see his three book he wrote he wrote you these words on a napkin and just left it there. It's just whatever. So I saw the napkin. I looked at it and I just grabbed. I put it in my pocket. And when I got home, I like took, you know, empty my pockets out and I'm like, what the fuck? I was like, yo, this is cool.

So I wrote the music around the lyrics. And it's the only time that I've ever written a song around. Yeah. Super rare. Usually like you write the riffs and then here's the song. So then I had my friend Nick Benettos. By the way, that's another completely different story because the Benetos brothers are from this bench and Cold Front started at this bench. Everybody gets hurt started at this bench. Oh my God, there you go.

And Nick Benetos started Cold Front. Chris Benettos was in fit of anger, we started at this bench and everybody gets hurt. For those who don't know, You've probably seen Chris Benetto's designs and drawings eight billion times on different shirts and demos and records. How did you delegate who was joining which band when a huge group of people were here? It's just not it. I got guitar.

I got bass. It wasn't anything like that. It was just like whoever was hanging out. Like, yo, you want to go jam? We're a band now, I guess. Yeah. We're leeway now, I got. I can't create a thing that's still going 30 years later, I guess.

It's similar to, like, how the younger cats are, like, really together now. That's how we were. We were really tight-knit here. We were very supportive of each other. And, like, just to keep bands going, you know, this guy can't do it, I want to keep doing. All right, cool, I'll help. I'll keep it going. And I really got to thank those guys because without them, there's no music in my,

I mean, that's a, that's a beautiful thing. It sounds like selflessness. It's all about the music, the band, keeping it going. Doesn't sound like any kind of ego or anything, which is, you know, can be tricky. Yeah, I don't know. I guess like our parents used to be nonchalant about everything. So everything we did is like, all right, whatever, we're just doing this. Envision. One of the great memes of the fest so far. What is it? Am I unfamiliar? It's the one,

it's like a big sing-along picture and there's just a guy like dead on the floor. Just face down, arms at his fucking sides. It's so good, dude. It's a perfect picture.

This pick is what hardcore's all about, dude. Your enemies beneath you while you're arm and arm with your boys. Singing relatable words. I believe he's in a man called X threat from Syracuse actually So hope he survived because the band's good

Well all for all is holding it down for Syracuse Sadly they lost a warrior in the envision of battle He'll be back He'll be back because this is God, this is legendary And now he's immortalized all over again in this episode Yeah That unbelievable I mean when you hear the guitar solo is kicking him for envision

And the sing-along starts There's not many options You're dead man I got lay down It's so good Here it is again Hello Welcome

It's Halloween hard lore time Oh You look tired Pirate Bo Why not pay a visit To your old pal The Hatman Take 10 of the evening

And call me in the evening Holy shit how oh my god this is horrifying hello welcome it's our door time the second song we play with human carrying capacity the breakdown is diga-d-d-l-l-d-lintent did-litt-litt-l-dil-lint-dent right with the lead-in and then we all come into it

so at first it's Nick and then it's me and then it's Nick again we switch off now so it went didal-l-l-lentent I went did-l-l-l-l-dun-and-nick and he did the fucking proven riff I just need to point something else out to you. You're saying, do, and da...

That's frantic. TikTok, dude. Scott, do you always get a hot dog at the movies? Oh. Interesting. I like hot dogs, though. What made you ask me that?

I don't know. Do you have a certain reverence for the band stained? That's from Martine. I will say they have like two songs that I think are fucking pretty cool. Weren't they like kind of like heavy prior to the ballad shit? Weren't they like kind of? They were like certified new metal.

Like a new metal band. I do like the ballad though, the one that the dude from a limp biscuit tank. Yeah. The outside on the outside. I'm on me. Don't get me started. 100 demons versus hate breed

all all Connecticut yeah but it's kind of the same thing as Marauder versus hate breed kind of you're going 100 demons I listen to utmost respect

I hear that and I go Bose you're real man I think lyrically the pit conversation the amount of hate breed stuff that is kind of focus around sing-alongs and is kind of like participatory later on, does kind of tip the scales.

But I think you got to throw the scale away when you go first two albums to only two albums. So you're saying... I'm saying... Satisfaction and perseverance versus self-titled. Versus in the eyes of the Lord. And self-titled. Is a tough discussion already. then rise of brutality comes in like fucking

Thayadin and sways the battle you know and then you got supremacy coming in with the Grammy nomination don't bring in my king and then you got and then you got self-titled

the dark horse underworld scary hidden masterful pit riding phenomenon dude don't discount supremacy also That's what I said. No, I said supremacy's got his Grammy nominated.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my bed. Yeah. Hard. Hard music. Call Sean. That might work. Didn't he play in Hundred Demons?

He did play in Hundred Demons. This is really funny. Yeah. He might not answer. Yeah. Stephen. Oh. My beloved Sean Martin.

What up? The King. One of the greatest hardcore guitar players and musicians to ever live. One of the greatest musicians period to ever live. You're crazy. I know. Sean, I'm crazy for you. Sean, we are at our grand finale here.

We're down to the final two bands. And we figured you, having played in both of them, were the most appropriate person to ask. It's ridiculous. I know. We love you so much. Sean the hardest hardcore band of all time is down to

hate breed and 100 demons Jesus I know and you know I've got to get your take on it I mean wow

it's like what are we talking about yes it's hard to It's hard. Yeah. Our demons. So my, so this whole time I've been arguing. If you go to 100 demons show, it's pretty terrifying.

Yes. But so were hayprayed ones. You were there. Terrifying, but it's different. Yeah. You know? I've been arguing this whole time to, to look at the music objectively, you know, as if I stopped a man on Hollywood Boulevard who knew nothing about this world and showed him a song,

each by each one, the hardest one by each one. And we did the opposite. Who would win, you know? Hold on a second. This is my friend Justin. Is that big Justin? We've got Justin here. Justin, let me ask you something.

No, what up? Justin, you're live on the show. We're down to our grand finale here. It's hate breed versus hunter demons. Who's harder? Harder. Musically harder. musicly harder

No we're going off full of the scogs Everything considered just the word Hard who's the hardest Harder of the two bands I'm sorry 100 demons Wow Wow Unbelievable

This is this is truly shocking An underdog upset victory for 100 demons Fuck yeah It's like the impact that they made with two records. You know?

Yeah, but what if Hayprey broke up after perseverance? Would it not have been the same, you think? Because they got those two, and then Rise comes and whooped your ass. And then a griming on. I'm saying, it's kind of a, it's also, it's kind of like hard to,

it's kind of uneven with, like, you know, the amount of stuff too, you know? Which is part of the argument. Hayprey longevity and consistency must be considered. But that doesn't mean hard. Man, yeah. I mean, just knowing everybody personally, I'd have to say hardest, harder of the two bands on the demons. Yeah, absolutely understood.

You know what I'm saying? But like, it's hard to say, man. That's a sticky position to just roll me into it. I know, but it's, you know, it's that Irish whit and that Irish, that Irish lights you got. I knew you'd know. You know, and I'm obviously like, I'm buying, I'm not, like, I love both those bands and they're all good friends of mine. And obviously I played with both of them, but, like, it's hard. That's a hard thing to say.

Like, hard thing to decide on the spot, especially. Yeah, I know. We're going to get a few more opinions because this is the final. Because this just bummed you out. No, not at all. Sean, this is either way, Connecticut's winning, baby. Either way, I win. So don't worry.

We're going to keep going. Thank you, Sean, for this incredible, for your time and these amazing answers. Love you, guys. Love you, too. Have the best day. Dude. Bye. Oh.

Dude, foot in mouth, Mr. Young. Holy Lord. That was awesome. That's exactly. He even explained it, like, he said the, like, the show you at least want to be at. Yeah. It's true. Oh, man.

I think, who else do we ask? You want to ask one of a buddy? Want to phone a buddy? Yeah. Who do I got? I think we get three here so that it's five. Two out of three, you know? Yeah.

Let's see. Anthony Anzaldo, maybe. Oh, that's a good one. It's an interesting one. Oh, fantastic. Brother. Anthony. You're live on the show.

Literally? We, with it. We are at an impasse here. Yeah. Okay. This is the grand finale for the hardest hardcore band of all time. And I'm the one you call. You're one of them.

And I think you can be objective here. And that's why I called you. He's going to say hate breed. So the finale is down to hate breed and 100 demons. And the only factor is hard. Right. If you're calling, hello, Bo. Hi.

I was worried because I would have had to hang up. I understand. Who did negative approach beat out before I give my... Negative approach. You got beat by terror beat negative approach. Okay. In horror, you got to factor hard, you know? Sure.

It's the chicken and the egg there. Yeah. Okay. Outstanding. Thank you, Anthony. Thank you. Wise and pure, as always. And gorgeous, too.

All right, I got Lumpy. All right, have a great day. Okay, I'll talk you later. Sounds good. All right. We got Lumpy from Day's Media Group here. Days Media Group, a billion bands. Lumpy, we need your opinion.

It's on, we're doing the hardest bands of all time bracket. Yeah, yeah. We're down to the finals. Okay. We got 100 demons. versus hate breed, the harder of the two. I mean, I guess, I mean, I think it has to be 100 demons. Yes, dude, yes.

I mean, if the two bands fought, you know who's winning. We're talking to only musically, only musically. Only musically, I mean, it's still. right, it's kind of a tie. No ties. Fuck it, I'll go 100, dude. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

We called, a little spoiler for you personally, but we called Sean, and he said the same thing. I think that does it. All right, buddy. Thank you. Are able to go in there? We are. Brittany, did you bring this beer box? I sure did.

What the hell is it? favorite band. It's classic Brittany Bunderer. That's what they called. I knew. I knew it. Don't worry. I got you.

The great ghost project aboard the Queen Mary provides their own spearbox. Oh my God. Oh, here it is. Courtney, if you're watching. Right.

It's the real shit. Also, who starts the conversation to make static age finally. Yeah, so that was what Laya was coming over to my desk a lot for, right? He was wondering, what could we do in a situation?

And I eventually turned to him And I just said, dude, why don't you just hire me and I'll do this? And you know what? He did. So that worked out well. So we did. And I mean, it was a lot of pressure because the simple fact of how much money was put up front and, you know, investment in this.

So, okay. So what can you do with masters that have existed forever, right? And already out as far as you know. So now you've got to dig in and find out, okay. So there was a day where eventually, in the conversations I had, I'd say I first met with Jerry and Doyle came into the offices. And what was great is they came in all dressed up. I mean, for a meeting with Lyle and I, I mean, we were just like, you didn't have to do that. But it was awesome.

That's awesome. Yeah. They were like, what do you mean? Right. Yeah. This is how we are. I woke up this way. So, I mean, it was fun.

And they were great. And they're so enthusiastic. Okay. And remember, this is a very different. time. This isn't now where these reunion shows been making everybody has general numbers in their head or what they've heard. And I don't know what those are for real, of course. But I do. Oh, okay. There you go. So it's a lot. It's a lot. They have the, they have the multi-track so they can do as they see fit. And honestly, they have the multi-track.

Well, it's Caroline's owned. So if, you know, if they agree to do it, then and Glenn, what I would want to mix it, then there you go. And you know what? I honestly, I still feel this way. It's so frustrating to think back about all this stuff because I didn't, I never thought I was going to do any of this stuff. I thought, I thought honestly that Glenn was going to do it. Right.

And I never thought that I would be the one trying to conceive projects and put these things together and do art because Glenn did all that back in the day. So I thought that's how it was going to be. Right. Of course. And, but that's very difficult to match up. the goals and whatnot of a label with the goals of an artist with that amount of money and definitely differing opinions and jerry and doyle also had different opinions on what should

be done with these things and these masters and so does that mean that ultimately all parties declined this oh yeah they united over that for sure i've seen this happen to colin one time but I'll wait until Colin answers. Oh, my God. You really have, man. Please. That was in Budapest. In Budapest, I think I've told this on here before that I was leaning against the sprinter door on a, I was sitting on a railing.

A railing that was like neck high. It was like a massive railing. It was very tall. So I was basically leaning against the top of the sprinter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And somebody opens it. I won't say who leaves it open. I think it was sabotage.

And I go to lean back again. And I go head first into the pavement. Dude, it was like the gutter with the curb. It was like something off of like faces of death or something like that. It could not have been more brutally violent. It was like the worst possible. Like you saw it happening. It's like, you know, van wall is here.

Railings here. And there's just a curb in the street. And his like head just goes down between head first into the curb and like the street. horrible. What happened? I lost many brain cells that day. Something I want to talk about, Scott, uh, that really was prevalent during the one with the one one one of the underdogs days are a little thing that exploded online.

Oh God. Oh, no. Called, called vocalisms. Oh. Okay. I thought you were going to go somewhere else. No, no, no. You were, you were like one of the first memes. I feel. Yeah. Like as far as the internet goes. Yeah. You know, move up, like moving company. More stage dives. I need more stage dives in the monitors and stuff. I remember when that happened and I was kind of mad at first.

Like I took it as like being made fun of maybe. Sure. And I found out it was a, there must have been a contact thing on her or something. It was a female in Toronto. and she was like, I was like, you got to take this down. And she was like, I love your band. You guys are like my favorite band. Can I please just leave this up?

And I was just like, yeah, sure. But I'm not like someone that really, you know, I'm, as time goes on more, I'm kind of a hermit and kind of keep my space and I'm not very social. And I think touring for 20 years straight would kind of do that to most people. But I was just kind of anti it until I found out, you know, if you take yourself too seriously, like some, here's another thing I'll say. Some of those things I've never said. Like, just like I was saying, lyric vocabulary, there's just some things I would never say

in my life. I would, like, there's certain phrases that would never come out of my mouth. But if you take a look back, it is, it was kind of fun. And there are things that you hear that you did and you're like, that sounds like something I would do. Oh, that's like for sure. Like handing, handing me 40 euros. Oh, no.

And saying, go get me five Big Macs. And then I go get you five Big Macs in your sleep. Scott, what do you think about telling me about the legendary, infamous Whiskey-A-Gogo incident? Okay. My memory is pretty tough on anything. So some of the things I might say are not, may not be true. Martine can confirm later.

Martin did fight at L.A. City. bus. I saw it. He did. He fought a bus. I got my head. So shows were happening at the whiskey, and I think it was a known thing that security there were kind of overly aggressive. We were on tour. It was the promise, terror, shattered realm born from pain

the fuck am I missing internal affairs was internal affairs play that show I was gonna say the hoods might have been the hoods I don't know so early in the night early in the day something got stolen out of Buskey's bag so that was already a bad thing

and he's already he he you know he's not one to let things go too easily sure um so there's a bad vibe ready. We know security's not cool. I think they asked us to go get our hands stamped or whatever and Buskey came back and something was missing. So it was kind of like we felt a setup. So suss already. Right. During the terror set, it's going off. I don't think it was like super violent, but it was wild in a good way. People start getting dragged out of the show by security.

And then Javier from the Warriors, I remember he kind of got hemmed up and he was someone we all were friends with. And that was like, all right, this is getting out of hand. I shouldn't say this, but. Maybe avoid it. Then talk around it, you know? I was at the point where I probably could have diffused it and said this shouldn't happen, but I didn't. And things, it just turned whatever, a couple hundred kids against 10 security guards. And they probably deserve to be slapped around a little.

And I think all the windows got broke and a lot of stuff got broke. It's insurance. That was, it's collateral damage. Our merch guy at the time, Eby, he picked up like a div. when you walk through the airport or a movie, the little metal thing that holds the belts together. Oh, yeah. You picked one of those up and threw it at the security guard,

and it hit me in the head. And I went to the hospital. I got five staples in my head, which was really not fun to tour with. Doug got arrested. Martine fought a city bus. I say this because I believe what happened was he was, like, fighting in the street.

And a bus, like, beat at him. And he, like, tried to pull the doors open, but he couldn't. So he started punching the bus. I think that's what happened. Something like that. That's so awesome. The helicopter showed up. There was, like, 20 police cars.

It was pretty crazy.