HardLore - The Best of HardLore 2025

Episode Date: December 25, 2025

The Best of HardLore 2025, featuring some hand picked moments from throughout this entire incredible, historic year for our little show. Thank you for joining us, and we can’t wait to show you what we have in store for 2026. ____________________00:00:00 - Start 00:01:41 - Davey Havok & Shrek 00:03:23 - Martin Is A Who! Not a What! He's a Person! 00:04:15 - I'll Mosh Call You Back 00:05:22 - Solo Splashing 00:07:58 - Claudio Sanchez/Suffocation 00:08:44 - What Is Going On With My Body? 00:10:15 - Todd Jones, Noted and Remembered. 00:12:27 - Couple Tracks... 00:13:54 - Sh*tting Crazy Style 00:14:32 - Speed Meeting Travis Barker and The Kardashians 00:16:44 - Best And Worst Band Names... 00:18:09 - dwid / pimp 00:19:57 - Earth Crisis Yogurt Incident 00:22:51 - Floorpunch On The Yogurt Incident 00:25:38 - Who Was Really Peaking In My Window00:28:50 - Combust And Shark 00:33:32 - Sing Along Etiquette 00:34:52 - Oonga Boonga for Peelingflesh 00:35:25 - Blooper 00:36:31 - The Last Code Orange Show 00:42:22 - Blooper 00:42:59 - The Birth of Gwenn Danzig 00:43:41 - Skinhead Appearing on Mayans MC 00:46:17 - Smoking Meth With Eyehategod 00:47:05 - No Truth, The Future of South Florida HC00:50:02 - Blooper 00:50:18 - Britty Gets Expelled From School 00:56:23 - Jamie Pushbutton Watching MTV2 In Prison00:57:14 - Blooper 00:57:23 - Sick of It All vs Warzone (Ft. Vitalo) 00:59:53 - Blooper 01:00:17 - Mac Miller and DeadGuyHub 01:00:55 - Circa Survive Breaks Up 01:05:13 - The Fireside Bowl 01:07:32 - Shapel Lacey Finding Heavy Music 01:09:53 - People Coming Multiple Times A Month01:10:35 - The Dap 01:11:12 - Blooper  HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster EnergyEdited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas MarzlufJoin the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes.Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes.FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLEFOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAMFOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, welcome. It's best of hardlore time. How you doing, Bo? I'm doing great. We're on Christmas vacation. It's crazy. We really are, but the vacation ends now because this is very important. We've got work to do. This is our final episode of the year. Wow. And it's made up of the episodes you've been watching all year. Hopefully, if not, you've got a real treat ahead of you. Yeah, here's what you missed. This is the best of hard lore 2025.

This is an assortment of clips from throughout the year that have stuck with us that we thought you should see again. Or for the first time. I'm excited for this because I don't really know what to expect. I don't know what catches your eye. I don't know what catches Stephen's eye. Yeah. The wizard, you know. And he's always watching.

He's very similar to Santa Claus. So Merry Christmas to you all. Happy New Year to you all. Thank you all for supporting us this year. It was our best year ever. Yep. And we're looking forward to next. next year, which will be our best year ever.

Yeah, decidedly, yes. So sit back, relax, grab some eggnog, some silk nog, play some nogging. All the other nogs. Yeah, all the other nogs. And enjoy the best of hard lore 2025. Every major label and every major manager wants us based on art of brown. Yeah, they're at Western and they got ahead. Like, it makes no sense.

And they have no idea what's coming, which is so, what's so crazy. Right. It's like a weird way of gambling. And, like, if you think of what's being played on the radio at the time, including Sing the Sorrow once it happens, like, a lot of people associate bands with AFI because they shared technically aesthetic similarities with the sound. It wasn't anything. No, nothing sounds like that.

That could be fit. Even your contemporaries. Right. It's different. Right. It was just different. It was just a different thing for better or worse. At the time, it was for better for whatever reason.

And we ended up deciding on DreamWorks. And eventually... Was it because of Shrek? You saw Shrek and you went, you know what? It's 2001. Shrek 2001. Okay, was that at the time? It did not have much to do with it.

They were separate. I've always wanted to shock. They were separate. It actually had to do with the A&R guy, Luke, who I'm still very good friends with who I spoke with today and yesterday and the day before. He signed us. He signed Elliot Smith. He tricked me into thinking he was Rick from Jimmy World, so I spoke to him. Before we were speaking to A&R guys, we were like, get away from us, get away from us. Until we decided, okay, now we want to talk to you. Until we had the conversation with our record label owner, hey, who, he started the conversation, to be clear.

He sat us down and said, I think it's time for you to leave right when he knew we would. We were going to say, hey, can we please go? He sounds furious when he terrorizes crowds and causes a few Donnybrooks. Whether the crowd likes it or not. I think I heard the OUGA first. No, the OUgo, Zuma is the . What is Martin? That's not what.

That's a fool, right? That's not a fool, right? It's not a fool name either. Who is Marty Stewart, right? I'm all right. I feel like that counts. He's not a thing, bro. He's a human.

Come on. Oh, man. He's crazy. It's too much. So close, sir. All right, Martine, you've got $10,800. What category is he to do? Mosh call you back.

And it's going to be really funny. True Daily double. What do you got to lose? I got you half of it. it's fucking do it all all right and the answer is ready

I think you just want me the game Brian who is knocked loose that's the line see that again what about Splash song

is that the joke you know what I feel like I know who you ask these questions for what do you mean because these are so specific What is the splash zone? Is it the joke?

It's only ever one degree of separation. That's the best part. What do you mean? I don't want to say that, man. No splash zone? The splash is that so crazy? What is Splash Zone? I'll tell you what the splash zone is, but just don't associate me.

It's okay, buddy. I'll tell you the story But it's not you It's not you It's not representative of you as a person I don't care anymore then Okay so the splire zone is like Okay you know how you go to like

You go to like a Like a restaurant and it give you sauce Like they give you sauce Oh boy do I Uh huh Just you like So like you take the extra sauce and you you roll the window down and you just throw it out the window.

Oh, yeah. Who hasn't done that? No, if you're any kind of, if you're in this music, you're a little bit of a fucker. You're, you're so familiar with the splash zone, but you just don't like have the word for it. Yeah. And then you just like throw it out the car and like, because it's splashes like you're entering the splash zone. Okay. Yeah, that's all it is.

That's fine. And are you given a warning when the splash zone is approaching? Are you announcing it? Are you saying things such as splash zone? No, no, you don't, you can't do that. I mean, there's like other games where he yells stuff out the window, but this is like a different game. Oh, okay. You know, but I'll say this.

The splash zone stopped. Oh, okay. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I was solo, like solo, like solo splashing. Like, it just had, like, I was in a solo mission. I was like, I rolled, I rolled. I rolled.

All right. What I did was, I rolled the window. window down, my passenger window down, and I like, was about... Slash. Dude, it got in my car. You were in the splash zone. I entered my own splash zone, man. Something I've always wondered.

The crowing breakdown. Okay. You popped off with that one. Yeah. That's when I'm like, there's a dark entity in this man's mind. So the heaviest music that I'm a fan of. Like, actively you're like, yeah, I'm going to put some suffocation on it. I did.

That's funny that you say suffocation. cast certification. Effigy of the Forgotten is the one that I That's hilarious that you just called that. So no, so there was a I had a brief moment in my In my teenage years

Where Effigy of the Forgotten And obituaries cause of death Were the things that I would go to sleep To. Oh, you're sick. It's a good Bash Brothers I do. I like that. Previously on Hardlore.

Tell me about touring with Zuma in 2025. He's convinced that he can at least beat you in Nuggets. There's no way, dude. I fully agree. Three weeks later. No. Friking Nuggets. No, I'm not going to puke.

Yeah, I didn't expect that much. Like, welcome. Okay. Because if we play, what's going on? What is going on with my... body. Dude, I'm scared. Something is happening in my body,

man. How many favorite things that Zuma does? I'm in the other, I'm going to, like to, or like to,

maybe falling? Least favorite. Oh, I'm going to show my ass often. Oh, you do? You moon. Yeah. I love showing my ass to her, you know.

And she's laughing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love her. You love his ass? Yeah, I love that's what it's all about. That's what it's all about. Husband's job, bro. Me too.

You know? Yeah. It's your job to make her life. Wives love seeing husband's ass, you know? I hope so. You hope so. Sure would. That's true.

Huh? You show your ass to? I don't show my ass. Let's try tonight. Let's try it tonight. Let's try it. Yeah, yeah. So Unsilent Death would be officially re-released by Southern Lord,

which you would join for one more record. One quote from Greg to you has stuck with me forever. Noted and remembered. Noted and remembered. I was an asshole, though. In that regards, I don't know. So this is what happened. So we're playing New York, I think on the Abandon All Life Records.

and at that time I was still a very impatient person and the show had sold out and between all of us I mean Saba was in the band so he had a lot of heads coming to the show he lives there we have like a 10 person fucking guest list and what Greg did was fine

all Greg did was say hey Todd could you get these four people in from my distributor into the show and instead of being nice and saying we just don't have guestless spots. I was like, in my mind, I was like, why are you asking me to get so many people on our guest list at a fucking New York City show where we have a ton of friends?

And it's like, in reality, it's a music hub. And it's a music hub and it's a friend hub. And it just short-circuited my brain. And I was like, no, absolutely not. Like, not in a nice way, not in a professional way. But it was just like, why are you asking me this? And my response was a reflection of my character, not his request. Sure.

So he deserves grace. He deserves, he deserved to be dealt with patience. But in my asshole way, I was like, absolutely not. Like, I'm not putting these people I don't know on my, like. And another thing is with nails is like, it's like I prioritize the band members before I prioritize anybody else. Totally. Yeah. So I'm sorry record label.

If we only have 10 spots, we're using those for ourselves and our friends. Like, if we have open ones, then we will let you in. Otherwise, these people can just fucking pay to see the show. One more Toddism before we move on is the infamous couple tracks. Dude. Another life-changing remark. That's not. That ain't come from me.

Who did it come from? Well, the band fucked up put out a record called Couple Tracks. okay and i think where that came from was there was a password protected message board that talked about anything that had to do with old hardcore anything and everything and it was actually very pivotal to me learning a lot about um old hardcore bands like especially like old european and finished hardcore bands um i think it came from that it's like they were talking about records like there it was a thing said in admiration like oh it has a couple tracks not not to like dis anything. Or maybe it was to

diss something. I don't know, but I think that term came from that message board, which is probably where fucked up got it from. And in the fucked up song, do they say it? Are they just talking, listing bands and saying couple tracks? No, no, no. I don't think there's a song called couple tracks. I think they have a compilation CD or

album called couple tracks, but it's a compilation. So it's almost like I don't know if they're making fun of themselves or if they're making light of the joke. I don't know what the intention is. Your intention. though in the way that I've carried it with me since was RIP Lou Reed couple tracks. Lou Reed had a couple tracks.

For sure. You're really giving up right now? Yeah, I will puke on camera if you want that in your living room. You said it like the bad thing. I'm telling you. You didn't do this. Me peaking on into, I didn't choose to puke. I stood up and vomited.

And it was the best feeling I've ever felt. You didn't stand up and vomited. We did it in my room. You went to your... I stood up and was like, oh, I'm going to throw up. I better go to my room. Uh-huh. I got on my hands and knees and scrub that toilet.

Do you remember the text message you sent me this morning? That was from something else. And I quote, crazy style. You got a fucking Kardashians in your shit. What was your first impression of that? Because, I mean, the first, like, hardcore mind, you look at that and you're like, ah, come on.

But then a guy from Sydney mine, you go, that's kind of crazy. hectic ass everything with speed bro this whole experience is a piss take it's just a fucking piss take it's just like what next you know what I'm saying everything is just a laugh

and I'm I welcome it because it makes for a fucking incredible varied life experience you know what I'm saying so that was beautiful meeting the car back we played we played the shrine in knock loose last year and Travis

messaging uh Dennis's homie he's mentioning being like I'm gonna pull up with the wife the homie Travis is homeie I'm gonna pull up with the wife the homie Travis So we were opening with Knock Loose and we had fucking old mate from

Sepultura, Toby Morris, X, Y, Z like the most L-A-Shit ever, and then Travis Garver, sorry, Travis Barker and Courtney Kardashian on the seat's guest list. Wow. They came and watched us and then I went and spoke to Okay, at that show, I thought I had blow my voice.

Oh, no. And we were 10 days in the Knock Loose tour and I was freaking out and I was like, holy fuck, I still have like 60 shows ahead of me, what I'm going to do? And I was sitting trying to like gather my thoughts after we played. And then they were like, Travis and Courtney is over there. So I was like, I'm going to go sing, what's up? I walked over.

And then Courtney was there, and she's telling me, they just had a baby called Rocky. And she was like, when I see Rocky, I go up to him and I do this voice where I talk to him, like this. And Travis was like, oh, you should try being like a hardcore vocal. You sound like the guy from speed. And she told me that she was watching his play

from side stage, and she was like, I reckon. can I could do this? I was there being like, sick, nice. And in my head, I was like, what? I want to tell Gemma, my girlfriend about this when I get home. And this is a weird conversation that comes with like someone who's meant to be quite famous. But she was super down earth.

And, bro, they literally got a Uber to see us and start their date night. At the speech on that. There's Mother's Day. They're doing Mother's Day. Really? Good day. And she's a mother. She's a mother.

Now, anyway. one of the worst, but one of both your and my favorites, I believe, the fucking go-go-dolls. Oh, man. That's a rough one, dude. It's tough.

That's a rough name. It's tough now. You know? And like... I ain't wearing goo-go-dalls, I'm sure. And they started out as like a hard rock band. And they were... Metal Blade records.

Metal Blade records. Were they from New York? I think they were from Buffalo. They were from Buffalo. They were from Buffalo. So it's like... Yeah. New York dolls, surely they were aware of. Was it a play on that? Goo and then a boy named Gou and just all this shit.

Like, what's your, they're obsessed with goo? I don't know, man. Yeah. Goo, goo. Why did it have to be twice, you know? No. Like mighty, mighty boss tones. I'm not, I'm not even, I wasn't even going to bring it up.

Don't get me started. That's a fucking band name. That's an incredible band name. The boss tone alone. Yeah, alone, yeah. Brilliant. Because they're Bostonians. From Boston.

Yes. Mighty Boston. Genius. You add Mighty Mighty, Mighty, you know it's the best guy. It's Vince, Vince McMahon falling off the chair. It's insane.

Unreal. Goo, goo. You get worse. The dolls, great. The goo dolls. What? The goo dolls, kill yourself. I want to start with the origin

of the named Widd. I've got a visual representation here of the story I've heard. Oh. And you tell me whether or not this is true. I think I know what you're going to say and it's not true. So you're telling me this. I can tell you that story.

That's a strange one. Yeah. So that's not why? No. Wow. So there was a guy from Cleveland, Ohio named Jason Popson. He was for a while, the singer for the band Inco Blood with Aaron and Lenny. And.

as mushroom head eventually. And mushroom head. He was simultaneously with mushroom head actually at the time. So it's an awkward conversation. I'm not sure how to say it. So I'll just say it. Back in those days, you would talk on a phone that would be either a cordless phone

or stuck to a wall. This is ancient times. And sometimes people would doodle on paper while they were talking. They didn't have FaceTime like this. For your younger viewers, they're going to think this is mind-blowing. But so, yeah, so I'm talking to him. And then he says, has this eureka moment.

He says, I figured it out. And I said, figured out what? We were talking about something totally unrelated. And he said, your name, your name. It's Pimp upside down. And I said, what are you talking about, dude? He said, yeah, I'm doodling your name while I'm talking to you on the phone. And I said, okay, that's fucking awkward.

I don't know how to respond. And then he explained. to me, I wrote your name in all lower caps and spun it around. And I said, yeah, that's not where it came from. Oh, my God. This is both heartbreaking and incredible information. Yeah. You know, becoming the top dogs in American regular touring H.C., I'll call it.

That can come controversy. So with that, I am of course talking about the alleged floor punch yogurt incident of 1996. Can you tell me about that? How aggressively did this yogurt get distributed? How bad was the scene of the crime with this yogurt? It was a yogurt carpet bombing. Okay. Oh, wow.

See, I've been curious. Right. But the funny thing is, you know, nobody had anything to say before we played. You know, nobody wanted to debate us or go toe to toe to, like, boring or with insults or throwing a punch. You know, they waited until we're on stage and they're throwing stuff from out of the dark. And I was like, I would do this. The yogurt is insane. Yeah.

It was ridiculous, you know. But at the same time, I mean, punk, I mean, hardcore does come from punk. Yeah. And I understand that there's wild cats. I mean, I've made a few frank phone calls. calls in my life. You know, I get it. You know what I mean? Let us also not let's consider the

flip side of the coin where if somebody fundamentally disagrees with Earth crisis. Yeah. Sabotaging their set is their form of destroying the machine of Earth crisis. You know what I mean? Like there is a flip side.

You can't destroy the spirit in this machine, my friend. Wow. What a quote. Beautiful. And I'll tell you what. So people are throwing yogurt and they're unplugging our gear. And what was funny is Dennis was just he just kept the beat and the crowd kept singing. Wow. And that was powerful.

And Fury of Five were very upset. Like for you? They were our friends and they were very upset because we were guest in New Jersey. Yep. And also, I don't want them upset at me. They are phenomenal. But I'll tell you a story about them live later. 454 big block were very upset to all the original FSU dudes.

And, you know, so a guy, they throw some yogurt, a guy runs up on stage, he's wearing a fake fur coat or a real fur coat, and kids started hitting him. And you can hear me on the mic say, back off. You're going to kill him. Back off. I didn't, you know, so I wanted to stop. Yeah. Well, what was really cool was when people were being aggressive,

our fans kept singing even without the guitars. When the power was cut to Dennis's drumbeat, and they actually got up on stage and made a little wall around us. So it was amazing. To try and view that as a diss, actually, I think it backfired big time, you know? What's been referred to my whole life as the Earth Crisis Floor Punch yogurt incident, we've now come to learn as more the Earth Crisis Inc and dagger yogurt incident. But if you could break down this incident from your perspective, I think it would be great. I don't know what led.

Well, you know what? It's funny because I'll give Earth Crisis this. They were catching a lot of slack way more than we were. You know what I mean? Because they really wore that shit on their sleeves. They really did. They preached it. So I remember, I wasn't really familiar with Earth Crisis,

but I remember our first show was with Earth Crisis. Human remains, bug out society, Ensign. Bug Out Society bought like, two dozen white castles to throw at Earth Crisis before they even played on. You know what I mean? Your first show. For our first show. So this just constantly happened to them.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, for saying, we don't eat animals. I don't remember it happening,

but I remember hearing that it was going to happen. And I definitely didn't watch Earth Crisis. I might have in the back playing soccer or something. I don't know. But, um, yeah. So,

you know, I don't know what brought the Philly guys. Like, if they had an actual beef to do it, are just like, hey, like, Sean was that kind of guy. He was a funny, like, energetic character, you know what I mean? But what led up to him doing that? I'm not quite sure.

Okay. You know? And you, I mean, it got pinned on you for 20 years. Yeah, and it wasn't us, you know, no one in the band, you know, other dudes were unplugging their equipment, but I think just kind of when, like, everyone kind of puffed their chest out a little when Pat got jumped and, like, just, we were like in the mix of that, you know what I mean? Yeah, sure.

And then Carl's saying, hey, if you try to fight me, I'll stab you to people, allegedly. Pretty cool. That is cool. I don't remember that, but yeah. But I see, so that Stickman from Fury 5 was also there and backed Earth Crisis, which if I'm you, I'm like, fuck, Devo just showed up and ended this, you know? McMahon OG ass beater. Straight up.

Yeah. The king of ass beatings. I'm not going to say there was like Fury 5 floor punch beef because there wasn't, but like, you know, there was like some noise by people that followed us and like friends of theirs, but you know they practiced in the same studio sometimes the same nights as us you know what i mean so stick man wanted to come over and like you know he had you know he had his chances so it was never really like that you know what i mean i know i think i'm having some ethernet issues maybe hang on let me try something no problem we're gonna scoot down there you can't hear me stephen it's just you and me

now never gone back you heard the story of new york minute no oh it's like a good please this is like a great segue. Please. Unbelievable. So basically my wife, I'm just a freak. Yeah. But I'm also like, I'm like, I don't believe in ghosts and then I'm like, I'm not going in basement by myself. Yeah, same. I mean,

same. That's just good sense. I kind of believe in energy. I'm with you. See? So, all right, so me and my wife, we buy this house, moving in the neighborhood, whatever, and in the middle of the night, I'm literally like laying in bed and I sleep naked. And I'm like,

like full on full on naked if I of his house is a little spooky but I literally hear like something

that's not like my garage the wall behind my bed is like the garage and I hear something I'm like what's your address I'm like someone is in my garage

like I can hear them in my garage like someone's stealing my car or something so well we don't park in there but someone's I'm crazy enough that if you're in my house

in any capacity like I have a kid you're going to the cemetery it's also it's also Rochester which is a terrible place yeah where I live is very chill but it's yeah it's not great and I'm paranoid

so I wake up and I'm like what the hell's going to and I like and I get up and you can't really see out because it's dark and there's lights in the house whatever so I'm like all right fuck this I walked in my closet and get my gun and I'm just clearing my house and I'm like okay

that's weird there's no one in the like I open the garage like yeah It's happening. Are you still naked? Oh, I'm naked. Yeah. That's the way.

That's the way to. Because in my mind, as an assailant seeing you naked. I'm like, well, but here's the thing. It's like, I'm not going to take the time to get dressed. I think someone's here. Of course. So I go to the garage and there's like, no one. So I'm like, okay, I peek out the back door.

I'm like, all right, whatever. I go to bed. I'm like, I'm just being crazy again. I go back to bed, put the gun back. You know, get in bed. Lay back down. And like I start to fall asleep and I hear it again and it's louder. I'm like, oh, someone is in my house.

And now they've seen me. Yeah. And they were hiding. Yeah. And I didn't see them. So I'm like, fuck. All right. So I get out of bed.

Get the gun. And I'm like, now I'm like, okay. Is your wife awake? Now she has woken up. She's like, what are you doing? Yeah. And I'm like, go to bed. I was like, someone's, I was like, someone's going to shut out.

So I'm like, all right. My son's doors closed. I'm good. And I make it around and whatever. and again no one in the garage, whatever, and I walk, and I'm just,

I just stand still. Like, if you walk in my front door, it's basically the center of the entire house, and I just stand there for like two minutes, and I hear it. And I'm like, they think I'm in my bed. And I wait,

and I wait, and it happens again, and I'm like, all right, that's it. And I just open the door, and it's my fucking screen door. Like, because it's a house, I haven't lived in long. So you're telling me

Yep. The screen door was peeking in your window. Oh. Yeah. The driver needed to make this guy's name is shark, by the way.

Shark. Shark. Sick. Come on. It's not sick, Bo. It's pretty sick. You can't not drive and be named Shark, dude.

That's true. That's true. You got to be a driving wizard to be Shark. Dude, it's, you know, it. So he had to make like this 100 point turn

to get to the line up with the gas pump. And you guys are going, Sean! Eric eventually, like, as he's still in the midst of trying to make this turn, Eric gets out. Just gets out.

He goes, I got to get the fuck out of here. And he like walks away. I follow Eric. I'm like, I can't do this either. And then, so the guy, the guy Shaw comes up to me I turn around he's like he followed me and I go what

I'm like what bro he's like they told me to ask you how to do this and I'm like bro I said you need to get the fuck away from me or there's going to be a problem so we're freaking out on this guy he's been hitting the whole time he's been hitting into fences parked cars

he's been a mess the whole tour finally get that out of the way whatever we're back on the road this was this was the Lividal turning point. Oh, my God. Where everything, like, it all hits the fan.

So we're in the back. Me and Eric are in the back. Zana. Me and Eric are in the back. We're on this night drive to Italy. Out of nowhere, like you hear it like a, just like a,

like a, you know, he hits something. He dinged something. We're on the highway. But like, we're still driving. This dude starts screaming

at the top of his long. while driving still. He's just going, ah! And me, I can't even get through it. Me and Eric just look at each other. We're in the back.

We look at each other and just start bursting out laughing. Because at this point, we're just like, what the fuck is even going on anymore? So it turns out he hit a deer. And he's so distraught about it because he was like a vegan guy, I guess.

Oh, shark. Why? And You can't be named Shark to be vegan I'll tell you that's what I'm saying dude So we get to the hotel The van is total By the way

To all What kind of van is it He clipped the deer in such a way That it fucked up one of like the You know Whatever And it's leaking And we're not gonna make it

What kind of van was it It's like one of those Like little shitty bucket vans You know I mean Yeah yeah okay A Sprint like not a Sprinter Not a Sprinter Okay

Peter pulls me inside Also a very calm guy does nothing but smoke weed Peter pulls me to the side when we get to the hotel He's like yo If we don't get a new driver I'm flying home tomorrow I'm not gonna die in Europe Straight out Which is like so fair

Exactly I said yep I know You're right We call up Martine We're trying to figure it out We were on tour with spy And um mine war And uh mine war's from Germany The triple B van, right?

Yes. And one of the guys in mine were used to drive for bands. So we're like, okay, we're going to meet up with the van people. We're going to get a new van. Then we're going to kill shark. Yeah, we're going to fire a shark when we get to Venice. Sure. And I mean, Vienna.

And you're going to drive the rest of the tour. It's like, yeah, it's fine. Do what you got to do. I'll do that. No problem. Go to Vienna. He almost gets us hit by a train. I'm not kidding. He like almost did not stop in time for when the thing was coming down and the train was coming.

Like he almost hit the fucking train. Like, let me not. Okay. So anyway. Sure. So we finally get to the venue after he makes like 10 million wrong turns. The sky fucking sucks. We get to the venue.

We're like, yo, you're done. Like, that's it, man. I'm sorry. Like, Martin's going to figure out getting you fucking home. You got to go. It's it. And he goes, I'm so relieved. I'm like, what?

And he's like, I've just been having a terrible time. I don't know what I'm doing. You guys are mad at me. And I'm like, yeah, we're mad at you, dude, because you're going to fucking kill us. You suck. Yeah, you got to go. You're the worst shark in the world. We got to talk sing-along etiquette here.

Because it's called a pile on, you know? You're supposed to pile on each other and earn the microphone, you know? You got to, we're singing up here. That's what it's all about. So you've got to climb the mountain to get to the singer. They're cheating now. Yeah, they're going to the drums. They're coming right up to you and go.

Just no etiquette. Or they're taking your mic while you're playing guitar. They're taking Alex Mike. Does any microphone available? I'm pulling the mic out of the bass drum. The stage, straight, they would. They'll say that. They'll do it.

The stage is your stage. That's the whole point. But you jump off. Yeah, don't overstay. You're welcome. I mean, I think it's pretty, I think everyone inherently has the clock in them. They know when they've overstayed it. Dude, they just say, fuck it and do it anyway.

That's what you think. The clock is missing to a whole crop. Isn't it funny? How full circle we've come. That stage diving started because bouncers. would kick kids off before they could sing on the mic. So you would beat the bouncer and jump off.

Now we need bouncer again, apparently. It's crazy. John, no. Self bounce. I've heard a quote of yours about your lyrics and it is, yo, I'm not going to lie, this shit don't mean nothing. No.

Do you still feel that way? Are there some songs where you're like, man, this one is really personal and like beautiful to me. All my songs are just a primal outage. Every peeling flesh song is about a different way of beating the fuck out of someone. Like that's literally just what it is. It's just primal, just caveman, just bonga, bunger, just member. Can I take it?

Can I pee pee pee? We don't have to stop nothing. You can keep this going to. Who are the bands that like you want to hang? Like he likes primus. I don't fuck with primus. Okay. Chili Peps.

I don't fuck with them. Okay. I got one Chili Peps record that I fuck with. Which one? One hot minute. Yeah, bang.

Is that before or after? Like, I hate them. They were like a part of my life growing up. Like, I've seen the chili peppers three times. They're great. I had to go see them because silver chair was opening. It was good. Yeah, I'm having a book fun.

Oh, I'm still on that shit. Yeah, you're killing it. You're going to hear this. Can when you do this? I need. you do adjust this flow so it makes me sound girthier

you know this is like sounds like a very weak flow right now this will be in the bonus features at the end of the this flow it's gonna sub over like Niagara Falls yeah

I'm gonna do it with my mouth so you don't have to do it just his mic is just peaking Jamie can we talk about the last Code Orange performance it was what was

we got through it. The last show, we fucking got into it with everybody there, and it was crazy. Oh, is this one, the Avenge Seventhfold thing? I mean, it can be called that. I personally never said anything about Events Seventhfold and have no problem with Events Seventhfold. So you got fucked your last show ever. What happened during the actual set itself? They stormed the castle on us, brother. They tried to

fucking take the stage, try to be heroes, shut us down. And it wasn't going to work out like that. The festival, not a band. No, Avenge didn't ride on a bat up to us or anything and fucking Johnny Now we're Brothering actually

Let's take the fucking mask off But yeah No Johnny Blaze didn't fucking come up and unplug my shit All I'm saying is All I'm saying is We were up there But did Johnny Blaze's crew

You know Okay It's the play by play This is all I know. Okay. A couple hours before, we had this ginger brother. He was our fucking T.M. He was cool as shit.

Dude, you got to... Any relation to Joe? No. Another one. There's much to my dismay. No, but, um, so this fucking dude, he's awesome. Great guy. English brother, blanking on his name.

He's loaves boy. Great dude. He comes up to me five hours early. We get there. It's muddy. It's hell. the dude comes up to me, hey, at some point in the morning, hey, they might need to cut your set, whatever.

And I told him, I said, brother, we can't cut the set. The set is set. That's the set. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. The set's already set. And also, I wasn't saying this, like, this is our damn last show. Playing the damn download.

So you knew. You knew. We can't. No, but no. I didn't. This is how I didn't know. Okay, okay. He basically was like, all right, I'm going to come back and I'll let you know what happens.

he never comes back. I think we're good. He went back, said we won't cut the set. Everything's all good. So we have that issue. Issues start compounding as the day goes on. Then they're having even more issues, like beyond that, you know?

And by the way, there was a certain amount of set condensing that we were able to do, but past a certain point, our whole shit falls apart with like the way it's all set up with all this fucking bullshit. Yeah, technology involved.

Yeah. Dude, it's a, yes. Well, we didn't, as we found out, once we got up there. Because none of that shit turned on at all whatsoever. So, anyway, we get, so we're back there. We're waiting to go. We're waiting to go. They're holding us off.

They're holding us off. More minutes are going by. I'm thinking, at this point, I'm thinking, okay, someone's going to get cut to some level. And okay, we go out there, nothing works. The ears don't work. I hear the tracks in the distance because I'm on this fucking, like, ledge, like out, like, 10 miles away from everybody. they're all off and shit you know so it's like wacky sounds

are happening on like completely different parts I'm like this is a fucking I instantly Colin's gonna love this I instantly boom color get color right away bleed gotta get color right away because I'm like this sounds like shit I got one song

I gotta bleed I knew and that's exactly what I thought we start bleeding shit's going around we have to huddle up at one point which is always a bad thing if you ever see a band all fucking unless it's like a fucking like the Fest style band. What do we do?

Yeah, we're like, what do we do? So we fucking, we keep going. And then, dude, we're like four songs

into the set. Power just goes out. They cut the fucking power on us. Straight up. So, yeah, so then fucking people in the band start fucking breaking shit.

Once again, this is probably peeling the curtain back of it too far. But my thought is, we got to make something out of this shit. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah. So we have some mic stanza. We fucking rented. It's our shit, right? We were paying for it. I fucking take one. Sell to the crowd. They pop.

There it goes, right? Yeah. So I'm going one by one. I'm taking every single one out because it's getting, it's fucking getting a big pop. What are we going to do? You know, it's our shit. That's 80. That's 80 quid.

Yeah. What's 80 quid for a lifetime? Other people are doing other crazy shit that's got nothing to do with me. All right? And then some other people. are doing shit that they're just breaking their shit you know just they're fucking working an angle then some some brothers tried to be a hero and they run on and they start fucking grabbing our shit and we get into it with them and i get into it with the guy and then joe ends up getting into it with the guy

who like runs the whole thing and they threw our gear in the mud and i heard about it all has mud on it they put there was a location where gear was supposed to be loaded and code stuff was placed in just the middle of a field dude joe Goldman, my fucking brother who I love, fucking lost his shit. That's the one thing he will not tolerate because he has to deal with all this shit. Yeah.

He, he, that was, that was the next problem that happened, which was like a whole backstage, like basically it became like a, we got to get these guys out of here, like situation because it was just,

fires were going everywhere. You know what I mean? Which honestly, when I look back, it was fucking sick. I mean, that's the way this shit, the way this should be,

it's what it is, you know? So wait. It's not that way at all, but it should be if shit was hard and fun. Am I wrong? And that's really it. Clarified this for me. So did you know that that was your last show going into it?

Or was it decided like, all right, fuck it. That is the last one. I knew. Yeah, yeah. We knew. Hey, Stephen. Hey, Stephen. Did you like us something, Stephen?

Every time. Hold on. Hey, there, Delilah. But as a, there, Stephen. No, hey, Stephen is that Taylor's football? Oh, yeah, that's right. I thought you were singing, hey, there, Delilah. No, and there's a Keshe one that goes,

Stephen, why don't you call me? Hey, there, my Stephen, what's it like in the Inland Empire? Is it hot and is it cold, and is it warm or is it bold? I don't want to know. This is your friend named Bo. Oh, 197 Media. My name is Pizzou. Some know me as Reagan.

How about you? I'm Gwen Danzig. Oh, my God. I'm Gwen. So, you know, things are a little different here. I was asked not too long ago what my drag name would be. And it just hit me. Gwen Danzig.

Thank you. Pretty unbelievable. Thank you. Yeah. You would clean up, dude. We got to get you on Drag Race. Do it look good? Feel good.

Dude, so everybody watching, none of us, neither of us knew. That we would both be iconic women, really. Skinhead played live in the Mayans series finale. Can you tell me about how that came to be? And I know for a fact, Josiah was plugged in for that. He came and he conquered and he ripped it, dude. He got private lessons. I think Taylor and, dude, Josiah just shredded it.

He learned the entire song. On one string. Nice. He was, he shredded it, dude. Elgin was directing and writing all of Mayans. He came from, from Sons of Anarchy and started this thing on his own. And he heard some of the stuff. Eric, Eric hooked it up too.

And they were filming the final season. So Elgin was just like, wow, do we cultivate this feeling of, you know, this show? And so I got to call. saying that Elgin wants to put your song in one of the episodes. And I freaked out and said, absolutely, no, what's the money? Talk to my lawyer. Then they gave me an offer, I can't refuse.

So I said, absolutely, let's do it. And then it kept, like, it kept, it kept molding. Like, at first it was like, oh, we're just going to put it in. Like, it's going to be at a thing. And I'm like, all right, that's awesome. And then they're like, actually, there's another scene where we want you to be the backing band. And I was like, what's the scene? Okay, so it's a white power biker group.

And I'm like, perfect. Sign me up. But dude, it's like this pinnacle. I haven't watched the show, but it's this pinnacle scene of like the Mayans coming in and just murdering people.

It's a dude like, I'm yelling in a thing. Jovey's Riffin, Josh James. He's like, all the dudes, Aldo, everyone's playing. People are getting murdered. Mexico is beating a man half to death with a with a baseball bat this dude like the first thing they do they walk in the show people turn around and a guy gets his head blown off um it was pretty awesome dude it was it was really cool what i didn't know is um that was maybe like 15 or 20 seconds long and i was

there for 13 hours oh yeah that's how it goes yeah so they used they used the live audio of you playing in the show it's not that's pretty cool So that's pretty cool. Yeah. Wow. It was awesome. Yeah, it was cool. And dude to be like, yeah, it was a dream come true because I was like I'm finally a shitty band in like a show or a movie.

This is awesome. Pretty big fan of a little band called I Had God. I was wondering. I was wondering where this was. For those of you who don't know, Aaron is literally the biggest I hate God fan. I know. Gotta be one of the top in the world. I think in the world.

Yeah, you're a top. And on that European team. tour, we played Budapest with I hate God. Yeah. And you smoked meth with them, right? Yep.

That's awesome. I mean, that's every little boy's dream. I was going to go, Aaron was really excited about it. When he saw the wire. Patty has a photo of me from that night and I'm smoking two cigarettes. I don't smoke. What are your names? Where are you from?

Danny from South Florida. Brandon from South Florida. South Florida. Broward? Miami. Miami. Is that 954? 2?

305. My apologies. Could you name for me your top four favorite hardcore records? Oh, God. Any record, any time, any time, singles, LPs, EPs, splits, whatever you want. All right, I'll say the first. Burf is pain. Oh.

Wow. Excellent. Answer. How old are you? Oh, 19. 19. 19? 21.

21. 21. Obviously, master killer. Okay, solid pick. The kids are doing really good. Dude, this is outstanding. Two, you're two for two. Systems overload.

We're, or. I love this guy. I love Cleveland's great. Yeah. Stay there. Stay there. My personal favorite? Yeah, yeah.

Fourth one. All right. This could be funny. Justice replaced by revenge. Dude, this kid. You crushed. Yeah, great job. Really well done.

Do you watch the show? Of course. You, you're from Playball. He's from Cleveland. Top four records. Yes. Destroy their machines. Unbelievable.

Start today. Unbelievable. The regression album with the ones of three tracks. Yep. And a stroke born to land hard. Wow. I'm a Miami guy. 1921.

You guys did great. I can't believe it. You crushed it. Excellent. Excellent job. Excellent work. What's your name where you from? I'm Esco.

I'm from South Florida. Where in South Florida? Miami. 305. Do you're friends with these two? 305 is there? You're all in the band together? All right, now hold on.

Wait, wait. Wait, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. As long as your answers are just as good. As the other answer, you see it. Could you tell me your top four hardcore records of all time?

This is baked. All right. River runs red. Fuck. Satisfaction. Ooh. For those who were crucified? Wow.

Uh. Miami's unbelievable. Damn. What's in the water here? Jeff. Jeff from South Florida. Our dog. Black Heaven Records.

Fuck it. I'm going to go off the wall and say, Sonic Excess by Crowbar. Not a hardcore record. I'll give it to you. I don't know, but he's fine. Let me give it to you. Kirk knows.

River runs red. Love it. Destroy the machines. Love it. Start today. Beautiful. Love it. Bringing him down.

You two. Get over here. Get right? Right. He's all right. Other band, other band, please. Who's in the band. All right, he's shy

I'm a little shy That's okay, that's okay I'm just gonna talk I'm just gonna talk to you okay Cool I'm just gonna Okay, what's the name of your band? We're called no truth

We're from South Florida No truth from South Florida It's my favorite band of all time How old are you? My number four I'm 17, I turn 18 tomorrow Are you serious? How old are you?

21 21 21 21 21 18 18 18 19 19 No truth Okay that was slate two Stephen Just in case you're confused Which you may be So I apologize

Here we go as white trash rob would say here we go hello welcome it's hard Lord's time how you doing Bo so I went in the middle of the night this is literally middle of the night

they came and arrested me at my house like I was sleeping and then my mom's like Britt the cops are here I look to see you Who ratted you out? I actually do know who it is but I'm not going to drop names But someone ratted you

Yes yes it was somebody Yeah, I know. And I'm sure she regrets it now. Yeah, for sure. For sure. So I'm not going to, I don't think she's going to be listening to this either. You never know. Whoa. We were number six in Australia last week, okay?

She could be vacationing. Exactly. Okay, sorry. So it's middle of the night. Mom taps on the door. Yeah, she's like, Brad, the cops are here to see you. And so. The stormtroopers are here in Dusseldorf, Michigan.

Yeah. Yes. So they printed out the MySpace comment, which I think is just so funny. Just like they slide. So we're at the dining room table and they like slide it across the table. Like, did you write this? And I'm like, I don't know. I really don't know because at the time, like we were writing a lot of MySpace comments.

That's what we were doing with our time. So and I had been sick from school and I was just on MySpace that entire day. So I was like, I don't know. Maybe like it looks like I did. That's my. Sounds like some shit, I would say. So they slide it across the table and they're like, okay, well, do you have ice skates? My mom played hockey.

So he did. Yeah. So it was a, you know, it didn't look good for me. Now, why? Let me ask you, though, why did you choose ice skates? Okay. So like I said, it was topical. Thank you.

Her husband, the teacher's husband, was like a hockey referee or something. And she just talked about it all the time. And at some point, I had like made a reference to like, we, you know, know, should kill her with ice gates, you know? And then went home and later on, I was like, can't we to kill her with ice skis? So you're doing a, like, callback bit in the comments. It was a bit. Aha.

The cops were like. It's a bit much for the FBI. For the Michigan State Police. Right. Yes. For Officer Schneider, what's her name? Oh. Yeah.

That is German. It means cutter. Like a tailor. I don't know what you're trying to say right now, but I'm with you. I'm saying it's like the Gestapo, like Collins's comment. Fair. Fair. Okay.

So then they're like, well, you're going to be coming with us tonight. And I was like, are you fucking for real? Like I couldn't believe it at the time. So I was like, okay, I'm just going to go and I'm not going to put up a fight. I was too tired. They like, they handcuffed me and like put me in the back of the car. And then I get to the juvenile detention center. And they're like, you know, do the whole intake process,

drug screening, all this stuff. And we're like, okay. You're like 16, 15? 15. Oh my God. Yeah. And then they go, okay, like, have a good sleep for a couple of hours. And then we're going to wake you up in the morning and you have to like go to gym class basically. Did you have a private room?

Yeah. I had a private room, but like the day room was shared. So like you get a private cell. And then there's like a day room. where, and it's co-ed, too, which is really, yeah, interesting. Yeah. So is this like a scared straight kind of thing? Like, are they trying to make it set an example?

So it scared straight in the sense that, like, they were trying to scare other people straight. They were like, we're going to fuck you. And you're, like, you're going to, like, I mean, I'll get into it. But they were like, I think there's some more context to what they were thinking. I think they actually thought that I might be violent. they were like, did you see she has that hair? Like, you know, kind of like. Skinberg.

Yeah, I didn't have that yet. Violent. So that happens. And then I finally get released on house arrest. And I'm not allowed to use the internet. And I'm not allowed to leave my house. That lasts for like a year of, can you imagine not using the internet for a year? Not when MySpace like mattered.

You know, like that was, I remember those times. Yeah. They would be like, oh. Bridie actually can't talk, look at what my messages and comments and friend requests say. Yeah. Also, I wasn't allowed on like aim. Yeah. Which was how people communicated.

It's not like I could text people. You're pariah. Yeah, well, there's more. So that happens. And then, of course, I found a way to use the internet. Teens are sneaky and they're smart. We're going to get it done. How'd you do it?

And I had all day. So I found the, this is crazy, too, to think about that we used to have like a chip that had our internet. Like, it wasn't part of the computer. So you could, like, remove the internet chip. Like a land card. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. That's what it was. Yeah. And at that point, I was like, okay, dad gets home at five. So I have until five o'clock to be on, on the internet. And then my probation officer actually, like, this is weird. She looked up my AOL, like, instant messenger name, which I wish I could remember. So she finds. that I'm on AOL instant messaging.

At the time, though, I was actually on it on my phone. When she was like, I know that you're on the internet, I was like, oh, no, she caught me. But if I had just been like, no, I wasn't, and then waited for her to tell me what she had on me, which was that she, like, found my AOL insom messaging name and, like, it showed me as available. I could have just been like, oh, that's on my phone.

And actually, you didn't say that I couldn't be on AOL and some messaging. But, of course, 15-year-old, you don't really know Yeah. I did it. That was what happened. So then my punishment was I had to go to military-style boot camp. Oh, my fucking God. I know.

Like Cadet Kelly. Yeah, no, exactly. Like Cadet Kelly. This is unreal. So in prison, you could have MTV, too, on your. So you're seeing it. Yeah, so I'm seeing him host Head Bangers Ball. I'm seeing the whole live for this triple X thing blow up.

Dudes are asking me about my tattoo because I've, you know, the, the tramp stamp. Did they believe you? Well, at first, before, like, before Jamie was on, I mean, before hatebreed was like, you know, kind of a household name. Yeah. Guys would hit me up in prison. Like, you know, is that a crew? What does that mean? Like, it's a band, I swear God.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not like you. It's a man. But after that all blew up, I mean, definitely people were like, oh, I, I guess you must be a real fan of theirs, stuff like that. No. No. Actually not.

Anymore. U.S.N.R. Wall. Collab with Mike from Yobb. Oh, shit. Huge. Warzone versus Sick of it all. I'm going war zone. I'm going sick of it all.

Yeah. Why don't we call Vital? Vital would be good. All right. Here we have Mr. James. Oh, we're live. Well, we're live. I'm just on my music.

Let's do. What are you got? James, I've got a big matchup for you right now with the Mets hat. It's very appropriate for this. Yeah. We're in the second. M-A-F basketball. Beautiful.

This second round matchup, we're at a standstill. We need you. Warzone. Versus sick of it all. Isn't that tough? I don't know. Do I feel totally off guard? I just feel like naked in the woods right now because I answered this in a basketball jersey

and a hat that I'm proud of, but I'm just totally shocked right now. And then the question you're asking me is crazy. I know. Can I ask some questions on like how you're getting these answers? Absolutely. Our goal here was pure gut feeling. Yeah. It's just like gun to your head.

You got to make a decision. Gun to your head, you got to make a decision. I went sick of it all. Boe said Warzone. And I'll have you know that Warzone beat Black Flag in the first round. as they should have as they should have oh my God

I think it's pretty impossible to beat plus sweat no tears I'm staying sick of it all thank you I think longevity has to be a factor here and that's a huge part of my thinking

you're not wrong and just like the sheer discographal output you know and you're saying sick of it all. I'm saying sick of it all. I think you're saying sick of it on, man. I hate the situation

I'm in right now. I think it's good. What do you say? I'm flipping. You're, oh, I'm going to work, though. Wow. Yeah. Shocking. That's why he's our manager.

I'm not fucking happy about it. I know, but you went warzone. And you know, listen, that's gut. Gut is gut. Pardon this interruption. We hate to interrupt this all-time great classic episode with one of the all-time great straight-edge frontman of all time, but we got to bring

your few quick messages. Nope. When you stank, don't thank. Just scape it up. Hold on, hold on, we're so close. Mac put me on to a thing called Dead Guy Hub. You gotta get on at Dead Guy Hub. What is that?

You will find out that I didn't know that if you touch an electrical wire the right way, it'll turn your head into a candle. Oh my God. It's people dying. Dude, he's looking at legit, like, tragedies. And I don't ask for it. It's just there. But that's your feed, and you stop and watch them every time.

There's a certain friend that has put this into my feed by texting me shit. And he's in a huge base. It's like, dude. He's dead. A damn. Circa put out two more records and has since gone on hiatus. Would you call it a hiatus? Uh, no.

Feel free to answer an audience. I thought a breakup. Okay. Yeah, I think hiatus was like, thrust it upon us. Okay. But, like, it's hard to talk about all that stuff just because, like, Circa, it wasn't just, like, a band. Yeah. For me.

Like, we were, like, we were a family. You know what I mean? And when that shit went down, talk about things I wish I would have done different, you know? Um, when all that shit went down, um, It was like, you know, such a heartbreaking thing. You know, we, I never imagined it going away the way it went. And no, none of them would have. I don't know the, I don't even know the context of what we're talking about.

We had a, we had a tour for this, this, you know, for Blue Sky Noise. It was like our 10-year anniversary tour. A third 10-year anniversary tour, and it was postponed by the pandemic, like crazy. And we postponed it and postponed it, and I relapsed right before. And had to go to treat. And it was like a really stressful time for the band. And this is like their, all their life is doing this band. And all their life is having to deal with me,

sometimes being accountable, sometimes being not. And I think it got to the point where it was so difficult and I was so far gone that I think for them, like the best thing was for me just to get help and to focus on that. And they didn't really, you know, you know, nobody really knew how, what to do. And it was, there was, um, darkness descended. And, uh, you know, like I said, I don't like war stories.

Yeah, I'm not that kind of guy. Um, you know, circus survival is like the best thing that never happened to me. And I, I love it more than anything. And, uh, I'm, you know, I always want to celebrate it. And I always will. And, you know, I, um, yeah, I, um, It's a weird situation because, you know, what I want more than anything is for us all just to be friends with each other and Regardless of no matter what like that all that stuff like that means to other people to like all that stuff like I just you know and

We've all kind of come together. Oh, you know and You know all of us, but I've you know since then We've you know I've been talking to everybody you know Nick the bass player came out to see me in California and I and Colin and Brendan and I have spent time together and and you know we've all been talking a little bit and uh that's just to me that's everything yeah i don't know if the band is ever going to do anything ever again you know what i mean like i even if it did it like wouldn't be the same it just wouldn't mean people want you sometimes it's hard you know because you want to give people what they want you want to do stuff like that but it's like not it the you're the expense of everyone and i'm the people pleaser so like i always want to

give people what they want and part of me feels like i don't even deserve to be here unless i'm doing what people want of me. You know what I mean? Yeah, of course. And so, like, it's tough, but like, um, I don't want to put anybody in the bad situation, you know, like I just want to honor what everybody needs in their life and just being able to be friends with those people and have them in my life in any way. It's like really special. That's, that'll be more important. And like, remember that. And, you know, um, you know, Brendan and I saw each other at Ink and Dagger. We're at the Pit and Incan Dagger and Philly. And like, it feels good to, to be to be able to celebrate that again.

And I love... I'm... It should be celebrated. I love it. Yeah, it should be celebrating. You know what I'm that? Yeah. I'm always down.

Okay. Always down. Always ready. Here's one... I'm going to do one more thing before we start. I'm going to pop an extra battery in the charger just in case something happens. Stephen, you got to get arc raiders in play. We can't see.

stop and we won't stop. Let us rip. Ready? Yeah, I don't let a breathe. Let them out. Let them out. Let them out. Put the post-human out. Where you are currently standing and where you are currently watching us

from your point of view is the point of view of every artist that ever played the fireside bowl because you are currently on the very stage where every single band played. There is. Tell me about Yeah, Shane, come here. Yeah. Tell me about the fireside bowl. Tell me about booking stuff here, seeing shows here. How How was this the most iconic venue in Chicago? The first year or two, there was no stage.

And you just were on the floor right here. Then things started to get a little crazy. So they built this stage, which still stands here. And now it's like where they house all the bowling balls. But this is still the exact stage. So Davey Havoc. Yeah. Bowling balls. Well, there was no bowling. balls in the stage in there right but yeah now yeah they be havoc yeah a lot of signs a fi um a lot of those yeah what are some legendary gigs you booked here or went to oh one of my favorites i always talk about is entombed hatred and bloodlet did a tour and they played here entombed was on to ride shoot straight and speak the truth and hate created just come out with satisfaction jeez uh and bloodlet opened that yeah that was a that was a cool show And this is the stage.

So if you back up, this is the POV. Yep. Was this the same floor? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yep. Same tiles and everything. This is the pit.

Oh, yeah. This is it. But it would be so packed, you know, depending on the show. Was this open? Yeah. But they would explain it. They would put like a gate almost. It's like that orange construction fence that you see at, like festivals and stuff.

That was all. Right where the wood could get damaged, that's where it started. What would technically the capacity be? Great question. Legal or what we actually fit in here? Well, they don't do it anymore, so I think the statutes up. Legal capacity was 179. Holy hell.

We had some shows L7, Melvin's, slapstick, where there was 800 people in it. 800 people. So you're talking people all the way to the back. And in some cases, even on the lanes. That happened a couple times early on, and then the owner's like, No more of that. No more of that. But it did happen a couple times.

When we start to advance into punk and hardcore, how do you get harder? How do you get harder? This is lute. Nothing to do with Luch. How do you start to get musically more heavy and hard? So you ready for this? So here's my origin and here's where it happened for me. I actually started listening to a bunch of Swedish bands.

Oh, like who? This band called DS-13, Demon System 13, out of Umiot, Sweden. Dennis from Refuse It's his younger brother's man And so I started getting into that Before I actually got into American Hardcore Oh shit

How did you find that? How the fuck did I find out? You're on the Scandinavian Darkway Yeah right Yeah Because I'm on On solstee Yeah you're right

Downloading shit Cranny You'd want to blame Yeah So my homie gave me a record Of Ds 13 this DS13 album

and it was just so like dope for me and it was like probably one of like the hardest albums that I had heard and then I just started digging into like this Swedish like underground scene you know

in Oumio Sweden and so obviously like you find like refused but I was finding like bands like it's so funny so I was on Toby Morris's One Life One Chance podcast and he had Dennis from Refused on and it's so funny because I showed Dennis my text

too because I have a D.S. It was one or whatever it is. How many of those are? I know, right? Yeah, there's about 12 of them. Exactly. And so Dennis looked at it. He, like, looked at his glasses up.

He's just like, how do you know that? Because it's like, it was like just so deep. You know what I mean? And I was like naming all these like bands that he was just like, who are you? I was like, dude, I was a 15 year old kid that got kicked out of a class. So I had to sit in a homeroom. I don't know if you guys remember that. Like, home room?

Yeah. Home room? Yeah, yeah. So I had to sit in. That's part of the day. It was. Yeah. And so I had to sit in homeroom. And so I was just on the computer,

and I found this, like, deranged records or whatever. I found that, like, record label. And then it just showed all these, like, Swedish bands. And so that's where it went hard for me. Wow. Yeah. I didn't get into, like, the American stuff until, like, later.

Yeah, what did that? It's pretty good, right? Yeah, it's really good. It's really good. We're here with Joe from the Chicago Metro. He's going to show us around this spooky haunted venue and all. the ghosts and the ghouls and the goblins and we're gonna we're gonna show you an inside look at one of Chicago's greatest venues and this very definitely haunted place that Joe

definitely definitely definitely definitely it's a nightclub so it's like people who come here tend to come multiple times a month sometimes or just hang out you know people come multiple times a month time you said this I'm pretty sure you said here it is people who come here tend to come multiple times a month sometimes. Go get a guitar. Is anything unite people more than the halif? No, no. It's like a universal language.

I watched five guys out there like, just like choppers in their head. What is, what a thing? Yeah. Thank you so much again for joining us. Awesome guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all for watching. Thank you all for listening. Listen to Floor Punch, get the book.

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