HardLore - The Hardcore Album Draft

Episode Date: October 26, 2023

The HFL season has begun, which means this week on HardLore sees Colin and Bo each drafting a team of 10 hardcore records and competing for sonic supremacy... Tell us the winner below! Here's the rules: 1. 3 records per decade. 2. You can't pick two records by the same band. 3. No kicks to the groin. (Apologies for any noise gate/audio issues, our interface had a STUPID malfunction so you can blame Rode) Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef This episode is brought to you by Loop Earplugs! Try a pair of Loop Earplugs by using https://www.loopearplugs.com/HARDLORE and receive an automatic 10% off at check-out, applicable world wide. Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe Check out our merch at https://knotfest.com/store/?view=hardlore Find all of our videos at https://knot1.co/3vWXsbx #HardLoreDraft   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome. It's hardloor time. How are you, Bo? Exciting day, big day. Welcome, everyone, to the 2023 first ever annual hardlore draft. Tell them about it, Bo. What we're going to do is, boy, we're spanning every decade that hardcore has existed. We're going to pick 10. We're going to draft 10 records. We're drafting a team each of 10 hardcore records. May the best man win. here's the rules. Yeah, there you go.

Three per decade, max. Also, you can't pick more than one per band. A lot of bands put out great records in multiple decades. Right. I can't pick two of them. Yeah. Unless. Nor can you.

But you got to have a backup just in case. What do you mean? So if I pick Great Record A, but it came out in the 80s, you can pick Great Record B. I can't. Yes. But let's say I couldn't pick two of one bands. No, no. That would be just correct.

That would be unacceptable. We got to do a coin toss. We got to do a coin toss to figure out who gets to go first. The first round is going to be brutal. Here you can see. Completely regulation. American quarter. Is it a state?

It says Vicksburg. What the hell is that? Where's that? Where's that geography, man? You tell me. All right. Pennsylvania problem. It's game day.

This is game moment. This is a huge moment. This is a big moment. We just do it right here on the desk. I was just going to have. I'll call it in the air. Call on Air? You're flipping it. Okay.

Ads. Jesus Christ. Here we go. The HFL for Team Colin proudly presents from Brooklyn, New York. Marauder, Master Killer.

Congratulations to the families. Congratulations, Colin. And Marauder, Master Killer. First draft pick. On behalf of Marauder, I want to thank Colin. All right. All right, team Bo.

What we got for me? It is tough. Oh, you looked at my draft, didn't you? No, no, no, never. I don't like cheating. I wouldn't. Not down with that. So we both know who the first draft picks we're going to be.

I think we would both, if I picked Marauder, you would default to what my first draft pick is going to be, which is from Connecticut, 1997. Satisfaction is the Death of Desire by Hey, Braid. Look. These are two solid draft. I mean, you're talking Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean? 100%. Outstanding pick. Would have been an early one for me on that. Wouldn't have been number two? I'll find out. I imagine it would have had to be. Right.

You know, I've got plans here. Yeah, I mean, you're making moves. I'm making moves. I got a huge increase in the budget this year for the scene. The NFL was really generous this year. the hard fucking war. What division would be be, that'd be central, I suppose?

Yeah, and you'd be where the fuck? Valley division. It'd be great lakes for his valley division. Okay, cool, cool. The age old rivalry. It's about a year and a half old rivalry. We did a lot of work in the off season.

As long as our show has been around. I love that we're doing this as two guys who don't give a shit about sports or no anything. I don't know how a draft works. You know, I like hardcore music. I do. I can draft the best ones, my, my team. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna travel back to the 80s,

like for my second draft pick. Yeah, I'll probably do the same. Pro Max age quarrel. Fuck. That coin fucked me. It's really good, dude. Those are your first two picks, right? My first three picks would be Master Killer, satisfaction in age quarrel.

Yeah, for sure. So I'm getting fucked. Getting fucked. The coin fucking you. I'm feeling good. Feeling good. Vicksburg. Fuck me.

Yeah. I'm getting, we're getting word from the production booth that the Great Lakes are going to have to make an audible here. You want to know something interesting while I was doing research

and I'm being reminded thanks to the production. Production and tell me shit. What's something? You got to fucking... Can't close my eyes? Came out a year before Age of Quarrel. Yeah, yeah.

Kind of crazy. That's going to be my number two draft pick. Wow. Curve ball for... It is a curveball. Because it's just that's a bow. That's a bow pick. Which is good is that we're going to have two distinctly different.

We really are. It makes sense that the first few are going to be matching. And I know what your next one's going to be. I don't know if you do. I do. What you do? So right now on the scoreboard, you'll see Master Killer Age of Quarrel. Satisfaction can't close my eyes.

These are some hell hells of teams. Yeah, I really think in the mid, in the mid-tiers, in the mid-numbers, that's where I'm really going to pull ahead here. You got some heavy hitters, but I got clean. up. You do. Baseball. I want to make some surprise picks. Exactly. I want to keep you guessing. I want to keep the people guessing.

My third draft pick. Sick of it all, blood, sweat, no, cheer. Very surprising. Very surprising. Should we go into why? Because I feel like master killer, obvious, satisfaction, obvious. I think... Let me talk about can't close my eyes.

Please, please. I've talked about it before. But again, 1985. And the youth crew thing and what we think of youth crew, we really associate with a few years later, 88 and beyond. That was where in the spirit really came to life. Absolutely. And like early youth of today, you look at them and they're wearing,

like they're just wearing literal college shit. Yeah. They're not wearing like, they just don't, it doesn't make sense. They're like a little anomaly band. They stood out. I was talking to Alec about this just the other day that it's like borderline power violence. Yeah.

It really, just the way the drum beats are played and the way that stuff is played. This came out on Kevin Seconds record label. Kevin Seconds, the funny nickname of all of that. That's a great nickname. But I just think it's really cool and, and it kind of boggles my mind that it was 85.

Yeah. That's very strange. It's really hard. Super straight, first straight edge pick. Oh, you know what? Extra points there.

For sure. I don't know if I've got a single. I thought true. I could. All right. So talk about... Let's sweat, no tears. You know, I think we've...

We've talked about Master Killer at length. Boy. We've talked about satisfaction at length. We should do each one of those records, track by track. Agreed. Let's sweat, no tear. Sick of it all is a band who's still on the road,

probably today. You know? I mean, they were just... They were just there. Yep. I want to see sick of it all. and Bloods, No Tears, just look around. I want to see these records uplifted the way that things like Master Killer have.

I see. Because growing up, for us, it was like, Master Killer, we're the guy, we're younger in terms of the people who are out here championing Master Killer. Right. Before that, when we were young, it was like, if you don't listen to Blood Sweat, No Tears, you're a fucking loser. So it was like, damn, I better get educated on this. And I quickly understood why. Interesting. And having gotten into Harkward so young, the euphemism

Alec always used about me is some of us weren't born with blood, sweat, no tears shoved up our asses. So as somebody born with blood, sweat, no tears shoves all up my ass, I have to include it in my draft. You have been a champion of that record. I have. Since we've been doing it. And I've been.

Congrats to the family. On behalf of, I'm going to be half of sick of it all. Are we drunk? I would like to thank Colin for drafting us. All right. Yeah. My number four pick. This one's going to stink.

1989. Brightside. Yeah. It's a great pick. It's a great pick. We just saw them play most, if not all, of that record the other day in Brooklyn. Or, yeah, in Brooklyn. And I'll tell you what. Oh, my God, dude.

Every track. Every track goes. Anthony sounded all. awesome. They played everything great. They had the Goodfellas dog painting as the backdrop. I like this one. One dog goes one way and the other dog goes the other way.

You know, Martin Scorsese's mom? Is that actress? She didn't paint it, though. I don't think she painted it, no. What do you want from me? What do you want from me? Yeah, that's set. Every time I've seen that, it's been like a magical thing, just because the songs are this incredible time capsule, too, like the perfect, a perfect piece. Yeah.

piece of hardcore music. There's a live set from C.Bs. I think it's Killing Time Madball. And it's just been something that's been stuck in my brain where Anthony's wearing like a big flannel. Yeah, cross that right off that list. Go ahead and cross that off. So congratulations to Killing Time, Brightside. Excellent record.

That's three for me, three for you. I'm feeling good now. Yeah. I feel like that. This is a good balance. Good balance here. My number four draft pick? Wow, we're cruising to this.

That's what I'm saying. Cruzant to this. My fourth draft pick. I could go two ways here. No, but I want that in 90s. A Gnostic front victim and pick. Yeah. Yeah, that tracks.

That tracks. You know, the Godfathers of Hartford. I want the guys who, I've got the guys who perfected it to me, National Killer. You know, I've got like what I? What I want and what I want to make from hardcore, I've got that. Victim, I've got, I've got, like, the best one. That's like, the society has deemed that the best piece of hardcore music.

Let's sweat, no tears. Come on. That's landmark foundational hardcore music. Victim and Pain is the blueprint of like, okay, here's where this can go. And, you know, when we talk to, can I talk about that? Stigma? When we talked to Stigma, he had. some interesting answers to his favorite hardcore record.

He did. Which, like, I wouldn't put any of those on here. But I thought about how fascinating was that. Very, very much so. I think a thing with sports drafts and stuff is trying to find like a diamond in the rough, someone that other scouts might overlook. And I think you've done a good job. I think that's sick of it all record is something that I wouldn't have picked.

And maybe others might not have picked, which is why we're doing. this after all. So that's a good job. And I still got victim of pain in age of quarrel, I matched killer. Yeah, you still, yeah. Good scout. It's a good lineup. Little Boy Scout. All right. What's your next pick? So, because you can't pick an 80, I can tell you what I'm...

I can. I'm out of the 80s. Right. So I can, I have one more because satisfaction is 90s. So I'm going to tell you what I'm deliberating between. Kind of tell you my thought process. Tell me the thought process. 1983, rock for light. Damn. That's just a time.

A perfect hardcore record with reggae. Sounds awesome. That's my favorite bad brains release. There's also a little band called Underdog that I've been on a real trip with. Vanishing Point is 89. Yeah, that's a good pick. So I'm trying to, I'm delivering. It's like, do you go personal or do you go?

Precisely. And I think for the purpose of what we're doing, I have to go statistical. Oh. That's what we're doing. Yeah, yeah. We're going. Man, that's power pick. I think showing someone underdog and being like, this is what

hardcore is they'd be like that's really weird. Yeah. Because the underdog is a weird band. 100%. Bad Brains makes a little more sense. Yeah. I'm going to go with Rock for Light. 1983.

Go listen to that record. Tell me how good that fucking thing. Yeah, it's crazy. The thing there is like, you know, it's, I'm not going to argue that pick. You know, I think that's an incredible pick. Thank you. Bad brains, who knows if they're even calling themselves a hardcore band,

you know? But you are what you are, you know? I It's a hardcore record Of course It's like one of the best Of course It's one of the best

The 10 best Horsorororers I'm gonna stay personal For the rest of this entire thing I thought you just said that you're going I was Oh okay For 80s

It was easier to be like Switching gears This is what I think you should hear You know All right 90s A little easier for me to be like Hey this is

This is me Here's Is this your fifth? This is my fifth pick. Ready? I'm ready. A pick that we now know

many of the old heads would probably pick themselves. Oh, yeah. Leeway, desperate measure. It's an hour-long hardcore opus. A sonic adventure. You guys haven't seen it yet,

but what we did in New York, all signs, all roads, led to leeway. Led to leeway. Yeah. Like after the AF wave It's like all leeway

Leway was like the godfathers Of the next generation Exactly yeah Sold everybody their first guitars And all that shit And Desper Measureers musically Is so out of this world Like you look at

Mastafu' fucking Desper Measures even compared to Bourne expired The record before it is like It blows it out of the water musically riff wise pit wise lyrically the melodies interesting it is kind of in a league of its own in that little world and i think i think i've got i think i've got a good team brewing here you got a pretty good line of pretty good team so do you well let me now so here's what's nice is you've picked a couple

as we said diving in the rough so now i can really lean into a 90s heavy hitter you can be bow yeah um I'm going to go, oh yeah. This one's going to stink. Oh, fuck. Yeah, this one's going to stay. 1994 set it off. Oh, that's good. By Madball.

I think, again, if we're talking, I think I'm going to stick with non-personal. Okay. And try to be as objective as possible. Okay. You set me up for success here. Okay. That's fine.

You don't even know. I got one. I got. Huh? Madball. We just saw, them play again in Brooklyn the other day. The set that they played

spanned several releases, several records. A lot of set it off. A lot of set it off. And it was fucking awesome. Yeah. Again, you guys haven't seen yet, but talking to stigma about Madball stuff in that time period. And you look at Madball and it's it's Freddy and three guys that I don't know. Right. So you look at that and you go, man, I wonder what this is going to be like. And then they start playing them songs. And you're just like,

Fucking Madball rocks, dude. Yeah, yeah. It was awesome. I think that that record is undeniable. I think that record would be in a lot of people's top five. Mount Rushmore, top four. Yeah, Mount Rushmore. So that's my number five draft pick for the Great Lakes.

I mean, dude, here's what's so fun about this. Fifth pick. Yeah. Do two of the best records ever. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. That's, that's, that's good.

This is good. This is good. We're on number six now, right? Yeah, we are. We're cruising right along. Cruising. He thought this is going to be an hour and a half. I did.

No, hour. Ow. I can make it last longer. My. This is really tough. 90s is stacked. Very stacked. I can go many directions here.

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Hit the room. For my sixth draft pick, freshly back. From a long hiatus, Detroit, Michigan, cold as life, born to Landhard. This is one that me and the other scouts, you know, in the talent office, we were ready for this. We were prepared for this one. Yeah, I think that makes sense. Talk about this record. So the layman would listen to this, would not even listen to it.

They look at the imagery of the band. They look at how hard to bet the guys are. they go, that this is, this is too hard for me, this is too scary for you. I'm not even going to bother this. The purists who've gotten to hardcore through something like victim of pain and blot, no tears. But Born and Land Hard is closer to something like victim and pain, blood sweat, no tears than what the rest of that person listens to. Very good.

It is the, like, perfect, personal blend of all of the hardcore that I like. It has the hard parts. It has the fast parts. The lyrics, maybe none better. The production, as we talked about. at length. Maybe none better. Maybe none better.

This is, the six I've got already, if I'm showing this to somebody, I'm getting them into Harkville. It's happening. Yeah, I'd say so. Feeling good about this. That's pretty good.

My number six draft pick for the Great Lakes region, Division. I'm staying in New York. It's going to be 1992, Alpha Omega. Wow. By the Chrome eggs.

You picked Age Quora? I did pick Age Quora. Best Wishes is 89 Yeah you couldn't pick that anymore You know We're alpha-mago Apologics here

Big time We know Mike DeJohn's an alpha-mago which makes it That's kind of our Quite a relief Yeah Because you grow up thinking like All we heard was like

No that sucks Yeah that's bad Chrome Mags have one record One record and crush the demoniac Yeah Like that's it What the fucking time? They got a lot

They got three And the first song on there doesn't experience and the white devil songs on revenge. That's how many records they got. I think it's fucking awesome. I think the riffs are really cool. Who wrote that?

It's this guy. I need to like Momento write his name on my hand because I always forget his name. I followed him on Instagram for a minute. Yeah. He's just a riffer. The drums are insane. The drums are insane.

The like act of symbol accents and shit that motherfucker's doing. I know. And he's a left. hand a drummer. Come on. Left-handed drummer. Come on.

Really cool songs all the way through, easily the heaviest songs. Yeah. Which maybe you're not listening to Chromex for heavy stuff so much. Yeah. More slammy, but this is like heavy and slammy.

Dude, these are the hardest pits they've ever written. You got melody hooks. Have some of the hardest pits ever written. Apocalypse now is amongst hardest single parts. And they go Mosh 4. Who are you arguing against there, you know?

These are two great teams. Yeah, these are really strong. These are Heisman. Strong teams. First in the one and two. These are the first, you know, pro bowl. These are pro bowl teams. Should we, now I'm going to, I'm going to offer this to you for the sake of what we're trying to do.

Okay. Should we not allow two records by the same band regardless of deck? I already know. All right. Okay. So that was my number six pick It's a great pick. Feeling strong. It's a great pick. Feeling good.

I don't want to win, you know? And I think I want, I mean, we could but then that's tough. And then what are we going to do about the 10th? It's a wild card? I've got a couple 2010's options here.

My seventh draft pick from the 2000s, just barely. That threat, peace and security. Yeah, that tracks. That's the top four all time for me. There are picks that I just knew you were going to do. So you wouldn't want to snake? I would never.

I wouldn't snake them, nor would I like. Because really at the end, we're trying to get people into music. True that. So why, you know, if I know it's going to get picked, tell me, what is this? It's crazy. I knew all of this before, but not until we started talking about music so much. Did I realize how much. has come out of Connecticut.

Like the two thousand, Connecticut ran the 2000s. I mean, you that today are from Connecticut. It's kind of, that's your, that's your heart and soul. Turning point is from Connecticut.

That's your lungs and your ass. Something, something in the water there, I'll tell you what. There is. Lead. Probably. I think that's Michigan.

Yeah. Man. So you'll notice a pattern amongst the things I'm picking. All of them are a, a proverbial, Faye of

hardcore riffs? Yeah. Like the vibe throughout every single one of these it's not just one thing straight through. Oh,

Master Killer, no. You're getting a lot. All kinds of, solos, pits, lyrics. Groove. Groove. That's for measures. You got a full melodic ballad

with the hardest pit ever at the end of it. Born to Land Hard, you know. Every kind of Yeah, heavy that exists. He's a full melodic. is the very same, where it's like a youth of today,

fast far into like an exorter mash for, literally, note for note. It's awesome. With lyrics sang by a guy who is, you know for a fact means what he's saying. Yeah. And that's important. That is important.

And that kind of fell off in the 2010s. Sure. Anybody could start singing. True. So basic security. Easy number seven pick for me. All right. So that means I think I'm out of the nine.

now. You're out of the 90s. You're in the 2000. In the 2000s. So I'm going for the throat. I'm going for the throat. But I need I need your... You're going to hurt me with this. I'm going to hurt you with this one for sure. But I need your opinion on it. Because we got an EP and we got an LP

0304. Are we doing releases or are we doing records? Dude. Right? Nice. I mean, if it's lowest the low, that's both. Yeah. Okay. 2003s lowest of the low by terror Unbelievable the best Probably the best hardcore record

After 1919 after Satisfaction The best arguably The best hardcore band Yeah to ever play music Terror The flag They change

Terror existing Changed what California Hardcore means And the ripple was Tangible It is to is rippling to this day. It's not a ripple.

It is a typhoon. A tsunami. Yeah. It quite, I mean, I've said this before, but I literally found the demo, looked inside and saw what they were wearing. It was like, I can like these bands. Yeah. Because I want to be like terror.

Check this out. You know what I mean? And it was like throw down. I don't remember what else. Terror was another band where obviously I live here. So it was a little different. But it was like, hey, kid, if you don't like terror, you kill yourself. Get out of here.

Yeah. So I like terror. I'm alive. It's a great pick, really good pick. I mean, I truly think, like, Nate, a good friend of the show, Brody King, better friend to me, has said, you know, they're the best hardcore band of all time. And at first I thought that was just a little hyperbolic. Little hyperbolic, some hometown favoritism. But it's like kind of tough to argue, man.

You kind of think about it. You listen to every new record and you go, that might be the best one. It's unbelievable. And that's impossible to do. It's literally. Made it possible. Yeah, terror. Number seven for the Great Lakes.

Really good pick. Relocating the home team office to Chicago. Really good pick. I'm, I'm, The negotiations will volga. I'm blown away by that pick. Yeah, it was fun.

He just went Chicago. Fireside. Fire side. Tony. Okay. Yeah, I'm, I'm picking things that you've picked. I'm picking bands you've picked.

Okay, I know what this is going to be. As a retaliation, no, I've got two. I've got two ideas. Yeah. You're not even, you don't even think about this one. Okay. You picked set it up.

I did. From the 2000s. Madball, hold it down. Holy shit. What years is that from? 2002? I've been on record as saying that Can't Stop, Won't Stop is the greatest

modern hardcore song ever. Like, not like a punk old kind of hardcore. You know, like of modern hardcore with like a pit part. It's number one. It's the best, the best hardcore song of all time. That's on my team. That's false. sucks for you, you know, to say, to say, I'm going to hurt you.

But we got two good teams. We got two rude. These are fucking, this league is unbelievable. The HFL stock is sore. Skyrocketing. Yeah. By now. Talk about it.

Talk about hold it down. Hold it down is one of those things where Madball continuously evolved into a better and better and better and better, better, better. Was Henderson on that record? Oh, yeah. Set it off to look my way. Look my way. they were like, we're fucking hard as shit now,

just so you know. We've been doing this mosh part thing, but we're about, we're about doing crazy. Look my way. I had some straight up like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, yeah, right.

Hold it down was where they really figured out who they were. Like, set it off is, there's agnostic front rifts on set it off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Hold it down sounds like the purest, Matt Henderson, uh,

ideas put to paper, you know? Even the chorus of the title track, Gagica, Gagin, Gond, Gond, Gond, Gond, Gond, da, da, da, da, down. It's just like, so, it's so perfectly embodies everything that I think of, of, like, that era of hardcore. Well, and you're not trying to reinvent the wheel with these songs.

You're trying to smooth it out and make it drive perfect. Yeah, that's, that's a Mercedes or, like a Cadillac. It's a cat. This is a fucking Rolls-Royce. Hold it down as rolls, Royce. It is so smooth. The production, too. It's a really good page.

It sounds perfect. I didn't know it was in the 2000s. I knew you didn't. You know me in my years. All right. Yeah, I do know you in your years. I'm about to, I'm about to hurt them. You're about to hurt me?

I'm about to get you. Oh, you're going to get it? You're going to do it. I'm going to get you really good with this. No, I'm glad you are. I'm glad it's going to be represented. Okay. 2003.

Oh. Rise of brutality. Oh. You can't. You can't. Why? You pick satisfaction. We said not, no two records by the same band, even. Controversial pick. It's chaos on the draft floor.

That's okay. He can't have, he can't have Razor Battalion. We're recalibrating. We are recalibrating. He's not allowed it. Okay. All right, I got a new pick. We're going to go with, oh, this one, this is tough. I have to decide between two, like, true favorites. Yeah.

But again, I'm going to go, I'm going to go. I'm going to go. not personal. You're going to go statistical. I'm going to go statistical. 2002, ill blood by no warning. Okay.

It's a good pick. I mean, they ran the 2000. Again, I think if we're, if I'm showing someone something, I'll tell you what my other pick was going to be after you pick your eyes, just okay.

Because you'll see how one is very personal to me, but one is like, you can show almost anyone, ill blood, sit them down, show them the rift, point out the parts, you're like, you're in that? Yeah.

I think you're going to get them. It's one of the best New York Rour Corps records of all time. Of all time. And I'll tell you what. Written from Toronto, Canada. We just played a fest with them in Toronto two weeks ago. They played it front to back. Did they?

Nothing else. How was that? Incredible. Ben sounded amazing. He still got it in him. Jordan sadly wasn't there because he was out of terror. So they had a fill in. What are you going to do?

It's the 20 year anniversary. Front to back. Fucking perfect. Perfect. I feel very strong. I mean, it defined a decade. Absolutely. And went on to continue.

Yeah. Like, it defined, I think, that decade and then the tens as well. For sure, yeah. And no warning and American nightmare. Branch,

branched like two trees of what hardcore became. Absolutely. For the next 10 years. Really good pick. Is this your 10? No, it's number nine. Nine.

Okay. So that was my eight. Okay. This is tough. This is tough. I got, I've got three. things I really want on my team.

You know? Can't do it. Can't. I can't have three. And are you done with the 2000s? I have one more. So I don't even want to save these. Right, right, right. Yeah, save it. Yeah, I have one more.

Okay, well, something he tried to do is he tried to take rise of brutality, which he already, he's already got satisfaction so he can't have that. So what I'll do instead is I'll take perseverance. Wow. You take perseverance over rise of brutality? I think so. I think perseverance as a defining work in a band. Like as a follow-up?

Yeah, as a follow-up. Dude, I mean, satisfaction and perseverance is thriller in that. Wow. Straight up. Holy shit. Think about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Took a while.

It took the same amount of time. Five years. Same amount of tracks, probably. Same amount of hits, dude. I mean, perseverance, because we did the satisfaction anniversary tour, and then we did the perseverance anniversary tour right after. And both sets for me, perseverance is probably the harder record. Nah, then Rise of Ritality is tough to say.

But overall, probably, RISE brutality has maybe the three hardest songs they've ever written. Yeah, right. But Perseverance is as, like, that's my gym record to this day. that'll get me through anything physical that I don't want to do. Yeah. I'll persevere. The amount of things I persevered because of perseverance, you would not believe.

There's no life as hard be harder without perseverance. Sure. You know? That's the whole message. There's a through line there. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

A good pick. I mean, this is chaos on the draft floor. The scramble is unbelievable. You should hear what's in our ears right now. They're screaming at us. All right. So I got one more than in the 2000s. In the 2000s.

I got a heater. Man, I got an honorable mention that would truly just shut the floor down. All right. I got a good one. There's two picks from the 2000s for this band. I'm going with one that I think is, again, no, I'm going with the people. Really? I'm going to want to show someone.

Be like, you hear this all the way through? Justice replaced by revenge. Oh, wow. By Ring 1, 2005. That's a good pick. I think, like, birth is pain, I think it's 2001 or something. I think birth this pain is like a little too, it's like if you weren't already into hardcore, you wouldn't get it.

Justice, if you like, Chun, you love it. Justice is, I mean, the modern production makes it really easy to try to whoever. Birth is pain front to back, I would take over it. Sure. Any day, really. But for the sake of the team, the franchise that I'm building. Yeah. I'm going with justice because I think it's it's exactly it's production it's riffs

there's obvious pit parts yeah yeah his voice and you look at a band who's been around that long and writes a record that good yeah that what 15 years in your career yes I'm pretty amazing yeah I think I think the demo was 90 it's crazy it's before this team this CEO was born so don't say that uh I'll tell you I'll tell you the 2000's honor mention that we've got to say. Oh, because we're both out. Yeah, we're both out of 2000. Neither of us can say it.

The master killer of the 2000s, 100 demons self-title. Fuck. That was really close to be. It was between that and perseverance for me. I had to go with my gut, but I just want to put some respect on her demon self-title real quick. Yeah, that's. They're sure to be drafted early by the next team in the league.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know? I remember when that came out and just listening to it in people's cars just constantly. You heard this? Can you believe this? Have you heard about this? And like I didn't, I didn't know.

I didn't know they were hard. I thought it was like a metal band. Sure. I didn't know it was even remotely hardcore related. It sounds great. It sounds like modern and creative and hard, heavy. It's incredible. Heed's voice.

There's melody. Big time. Hooks. He could have sang in Candlemas. He chose to do 100 demons. you're all lucky for that. It's tough. All right, 2010s.

2010s. I've got one pick to make from this. One pick out of the entire thing, and I got to really think about mine, too. Yeah. Oh, never mind. Got it. You got it? I got mine.

There's three easy ones for me that I'd be proud to have, you know? Mm-hmm. Personally. But I'm going to go with one that really, the reach that this had. It might be an obvious pick. But man, what this man was able to do, the amount of people that this pulled into hardcore, what they're still doing to this day. Trapped in the rice. Big kiss, could not. What year is that?

2011. What more assertion is that? I can't believe they came out the same year as isolation. Yeah, I know. That's crazy. That record, it's funny. We kind of talked about this when we talked about sound infuri. Like that record was one where when it came out, I was like, oh, this is good.

And I've since thought, oh, this is good. I've never, you know, I've never once been like, oh, like it was time and place or anything. I've never thought. It was not time in place. But it wasn't until within the last few years where I realized what an impact they had. Oh, man. Right away for me, this was like, I loved the demo. I remember the demo.

I worshipped the seven inch. I worshipped the LP. and then between Secrets of the World and Big Kiss Goodnight, the two first tours I ever did ever in the world were supporting them. So like I heard the entire pre-production for Big Kids Goodnight.

And in that process, remember thinking like, I can't wait to hear this, for real. So the day when this came, when this came out, I must have listened to it every day for a year. It's perfect. It's, I think it will what, in like 10 years more.

I think it'll be looked back the way we're talking about some of these. Satisfaction. Yeah, some of these 90s records for sure. It's like the satisfaction of this decade considering they broke up for a while pretty much right after and their headlining Sound of Fury, you know, and they could headline any Harcler Fest in the world at any time. They did fucking outbreak. They headline Outbreak Fest, you know.

They had a better set than the headliner. This has, and will continue to stand the test of time. And that's why it's the only pick amongst 80s, 90s, and 2000s classics here on my team. Okay. Make your final pick. My final pick, as I've been saying from the beginning,

is going to be a wild card. This is me taking a chance, a young starter, you know? Punter. Okay. Third base. This is me showing the person who I'm trying to get into hardcore. Yeah.

Here's everything that it's been. Here's something that it can be as well, right? This is my thought process. August 13th, 2013. Little band called Twitching. In love, there is no law. That's a good pick.

But I'm not, I'm not even saying that because you being you. Sure. When that record came out, it was a sea change for me. It changed the way I thought about what was allowed. Yeah, love and laws.

No, just like how music could be. Yeah, yeah. Wow. No, it's not like that. It could be. Yeah, I would love to show someone this list of like, oh, this is all hard or reggae. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

It's all like, oh, there's also this. And there's a steady through line straight to it where you can, I know, they're actually doing this, this, this, this, this. Wow. Well, that's, I didn't see that coming. I didn't think you would. It's a wild card. It's my wild card.

It's a wild card. A joker, if you will. When I look back at that decade of music, that's just an immediate jump out to me. And that's what I went with. There's a reason that shit's on my wall, you know? I was a fan. Even before we were friends, I was a fan.

This is like, he's touching it. So let's go over again. Give me your lineup. My lineup is age of quarrel, blood, sweat, no tears, victim and pain, master killer, leeway desperate measures, born to land hard, death threat, peace and security, hatred perseverance, madball hold it down, trap me rice, big kiss, good night. What, cheers? Mine is satisfaction, bright side, or can't close my eyes, bright side.

Rock for light Yeah Is it good team Set it off Oh Lord Alpha Omega Yeah Loas of the low

Ill blood Justice replaced by revenge And in love There is no law That's good These are good teams man A hell of a league And think about

How many things We could still pick Oh The 90s I've got I've got three If you took all of those Yeah I've got three more here

That would make an unbelievable thing Dude Fast times the promise. I'm not even going to say it just in case. So many. Yeah. Bringing it down.

I didn't like, come on. That is the, uh, the, the 2023 hardboard, the, the HFL draft. Um, should we draft a, I think we should draft a band. So I had an idea to assemble a five piece band spanning any, I, I personally think any hardcore adjacent person in their role. So like, you could have. Who you're immediately thinking of. So you have to fill a five-piece band,

traditional two guitar players, one bass player, a standalone singer and a drummer. You got to fill out your band, and we can do it as a draft, so we'll start with the singer. Love it. Let's start with drummer. We'll end on singer.

And with the front. And with the front drummer. Yeah. Okay. Starting with drummer. And we're going from. And I went first, so why don't you go first? Okay.

So we'll go from 78 to 2023. Sure. Like, doesn't matter. Sure. Okay, give me a second. Okay. I'm gonna, I'm pulling a technicality on this one. He's drumming for the misfits.

So, oh, come on, man. You can't have Dave. I'm taking Dave. You can't take Dave. Why about he drums for suicidal and misfits? You call him Missfitts a hardcore man? I'm calling Missvitz the hardcore band. But even if not, suicidal.

Are you not saying they're a hardcore man? Kind of. You're putting Dave Lombardo. on the hardcore drink. There's the thing is let's not look for technicality. Okay, okay. He's not a hard quarter drum.

Let's look for guys who are known for being in hardball. All right. I love that. I love, I admire the pick, the, the,

the attempt to get the best guy ever. Just, come on. The Olympic committee just found out I was like dosing. Yeah, you just dope. He's dope. He's dope.

Yeah. All right. Mm-hmm. Then I'm going to go. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to go with a, no, fuck, it's hard. It is tough. Drummers.

There's not that many, though. Chuck Biscuits. Yeah. He played for wasted youth and then dancing. Yeah, that's fine. That's a pick. That's New York, that's New York hardcore. I love the way he-

Chuck biscuits on drums. Chuck Biscuits on drums. I'm building dancing. I mean, that's as we start. Johnny Kelly. On drums for me. Yeah, let me write mine down, too. Taylor Young.

Really? Yeah, yeah. He's your favorite. Favorite hardcore drummer? He's the reason I play drums. He's the reason I play music, really. You know? I wouldn't know what I'm doing

if I didn't see Taylor Young play drums. Also, he's better than most people. He is better than most drummers, and he's not a drummer. He doesn't want to play drums. He doesn't want to play drums. He's reluctantly the best drummer that I know. Yeah. That's crazy.

Yeah, yeah. Base? And I get to pick first? Base is next. You're fucked. You're going to use him on bass? Why not? He can still write riffs?

All right. Do it. For base, I'm picking Peter Steel. What a cool band. Already, that's all we need. Two piece.

I'm pre-ordering day one. That's crazy. Peter Steel on base. He can still sing backups. He can write. He can design merch. I mean, think about the band.

Yeah, yeah. All right. On base for me, Harley Flanagan. Yeah, that was the next pick. That was the next pick. Yeah,

I mean, he's the best. Taylor and Harley. He's the best pure bass player. Absolutely. And hardcore ever, right? Looks the coolest Yeah

Riffs cool Yeah absolutely And then you gotta hang out Well You know Maybe Yeah no we show up and play They show up and they play

They leave Also I'm not in the band You're not in the band So I get to just be a fact You're just why You're yeah That's an important part Then yeah I got nothing to do

With what goes on behind Paysores You just got to talk to Taylor Oh no He's on autopilot All right So now we're gonna do Rhythm guitar

Okay Which that is That one I might need to think about it a little bit. I guess it doesn't matter if we split it up rhythm or lead. It really, because we're talking, you know. So it's just two guitar players, we'll say.

Yeah. Right? And there's two choices, but I'm going to go with the more stable and the more lovely Sean Martin. Two. Yeah, dude. Fuck. On rhythm?

Just as a guitar player. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't have to be. Because he was with Frank at one point, too, right? So, like. That's a good pick. Yeah. It's a very big.

Sean Martin guitar It's a cool band This band rocks My first guitar pick Peter Moses Into another Whoa

Harley Peter Moses and Taylor Young Yeah yeah This is a cool band Dude we're making We're breaking all kinds of hours All right So then I need another guitar player

Sean is very Solid He can play by himself in any band. And played for a hate breed at Ozfest, by himself. Held it down. The coolest videos ever. Totally. We have the luxury of adding another guitar player.

Yeah. And we're doing alive or dead, obviously. Yeah. I want to go with sob. Dude. For the flare, you know? Holy shit. Just a little spice on top.

Dude, this, your band is unbelievable. Thank you. But the singer is really going to, I got to pick a. could sing. Damn, that's awesome. Nice. This, like, would have been a real band. It's very positive.

Damn, that's all. That's a sick-ass band. But now, okay, get your other guitar player, and then we got to talk that I have a point to raise. Guitar. Fucking guitar? Shit, dude. Yeah, Peter Moses.

Yeah. So think about the riffs. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I've got the ultimate shredder. Mm-hmm. mysterious guy he'll show of a rip leave so you kind of need Sean Mark I need a I need a I need a pit pitman a pitman a pitter pitter for sure shit dude it is tough

let me look at something yeah there you go look at your your draft list that's good Matt Henderson yeah Matt Henderson on rhythm guitar dude that is a perfect Matt Henderson Peter Moses yeah for what you needed oh yeah I need that's a I needed a manned engine. I thought you were going to say Florida Frank, friend of the show. I would love that. Frank is in, Frank is on.

You know, it's funny. He almost said him instead of sob, and it's just, just heybreed. Okay. So now let's discuss. Look at your lineup. I can't believe you got Pete on bass, dude. Hey. It's crazy.

We got the budget. Yeah. So look at your lineup. Yeah. And what kind of songs are they writing? because then that kind of determines the bass or the singer. I've got it. Okay.

What kind of riffs? I know I'm going first. Well, I know, I think, I just think with Taylor on drums, he's going to want to direct it to be a little harder. He's going to help it. He's going to go bit of it, blah, bit, bit, bit, bed of it. He can't stop doing it. Henderson's going to love it.

Harley's going to do whatever. He's going to do it. But it's going to sound good. Peter Moses is going to shred. Shred over it. And Matt is going to give you, like, the most iconic New Yorker, Rick for Taylor. The whole time.

Okay. Therefore, you need a voice that can fit to any of that. Yes. What is, what are you got going on? What is Chuck Biscuits playing under? So, think. So on, Brian. So I'm Sean Martin.

This is a cool thing. With Pete Steele on base. Dude. All right. Now I mean this now. Okay. I want you to think, Sean can and would play anything.

100%. You know what I'm saying? Like, he would look at the room. Mm-hmm. And be like, I'm going to play what Pete and this singer I'm about to steal from you are going to do. Okay. John's smart.

Okay. I don't know. I never met him. But I'm, you know, he's going to. He kicks ass. He's going to kick ass and riff. Oh, that's fun. my super group. Oh, that's fun. That's very fun. So you got Chuck Biscuits who he drummed for the first three Danzig records. Damn, this is a cool. Peter Steele on base who can sing under Danzig. Yeah, yeah. Dude, Pete doing the dancing backups. Well, live, you know he's doing 90%. Yeah, right. Sean Martin and sob on guitar. Now, don't get me wrong. Dude, unbelievable. But this is going to be more of more, this is going to be less bluesy.

The riffs I'm imagining are almost more carnivore. Right. More New York hardcore. Think about that. With Danzig just being like, yeah, I want to do some fucking, you know. Yeah. It's a good band. I'm, uh, I'm jealous.

I'm, uh, I'm jealous. Thank you. I would say your Henderson pick was like, solid. Perfect. Just in terms of, I'm going real. You know, this could happen tomorrow. Other than Harley, maybe.

Um, the guy. The guy I won over this. nobody sounds like and he sings on a few records that personify everything going on here there's shredding

there's pits there's fast we've talked about it it's on my list he's on my draft team friend of the show Jeff Gunnells is going to sing in my band

dude Jeff Taylor and Matt Henderson would be that could happen tomorrow that's like a hell if they find Peter Moses to shred

Yeah, yeah. Whoa. It's a good band. That's a good band. That's a band's band. Yeah, big time guys. Kind of line up. Yours is like a goop like revolver.

Yeah, yeah. Would be like, we got to get these guys on the front page. My band is like, this is for me. It's a fantasy draft. This is a fantasy draft. Yeah. Wow. These are two good bands.

What is yours called? Yeah, I was just going to ask, what's the name? Are we picking, you say like the peak era of each member? No. Today. It's how, but well, no,

no, you're right. Yeah, I guess it's peak era. It has to be. Yeah, just for the sake of it.

So we're talking Danzig won era. Dude. Bloody Kisses era. Yeah. Uh, I'm talking. Dude.

Abandon all life era. But just imagine dancing and Pete on stage with Sean's flap room hat all the way down. Dude. All the way down. I need a,

I need a fucking painting of that. I'm there. With sob, With sob, no shit Just spin kicking Wireless guitar Yeah, yeah They'd be called

That's really hard Stuff A single word name Yeah Danzig Yeah I'm pruror I'm pruror

It's called dancing It's called dancing My band of Jeff Gunnalls Matt Henderson Peter Moses Harley Flang and Taylor Young He's called Fuck you

Yeah Yeah. But it's like the biohazard. So Pete Steele pitching, he came up with the name biohazard. Yeah, but he wanted just the symbol. But he just the symbol, not the word. He was like, like Prince. He was like, if you don't call your band this, then typo is going to be called this.

So they were like, biohazer. And he was like, no, no, this. So my band is just called. That's good. No words. That's good. Yeah, yeah. That's an emoji.

iTunes is going to have to write it out. Yeah, like just as the van name. Someone's going to do that in the next like 10. 2025. Oh, maybe we should have done it with only people in our drafted teams. Like the All-Stars, but that's okay. Yeah, we can do this all day, dude. I'll do another, I can do another 10.

Yeah, straight out. I know. All day. We can do this by decade another time. Wow. We got some good teams here, two good bands assembled at the end of it, too. I need a name. If you can think of a name for the band,

And Danzig, Sam Hain. The Misfits. Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot of fun. Chuck Biscuits, Peter Steele, Sean Martin, Saab, and Danzig. Sean Martin pick, unbelievable. Outstanding work.

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