HardLore - The Hardest Hardcore Band of All Time

Episode Date: August 8, 2024

The long awaited day has arrived... HardLore conducts a live tournament bracket to determine the hardest HARDCORE band of all time in a stacked tournament of bands hand-picked by us, in brackets set completely randomly... We swear. We stuck to MUSICAL HARDNESS as our main criteria, but there are a few examples when separating the art and the artist is simply impossible. Enjoy. HardLore is now on Patreon! Join now to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes: https://patreon.com/hardlorepod HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.com Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef Get 15% off MADD VINTAGE with code HARDLORE15! https://MaddVintage.com Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe Check out our merch at https://knotfest.com/store/?view=hardlore Find all of our videos at https://knot1.co/3vWXsbx 00:00:00 - Start 00:00:33 - Introduction 00:04:51 - Dying Breed Vs Earth Crisis 00:10:27 - The first Judge... 00:12:48 - All Out War Vs Grimlock 00:14:01 - Cold As Life Vs King Nine 00:15:17 - The Killer Vs Everybody Gets Hurt 00:17:46 - Built Upon Frustration Vs Knuckle Dust 00:20:06 - Terror Vs Negative Approach 00:23:18 - Death Threat Vs Madball 00:30:04 - 100 Demons Vs Bulldoze 00:32:29 - Biohazard Vs Trapped Under Ice 00:41:24 - Ringworm Vs Hatebreed 00:42:34 - Cro-Mags vs Merauder 00:45:01 - Floorpunch Vs Stout 00:46:39 - Discharge Vs Agnostic Front 00:48:15 - Infest Vs Irate 00:49:10 - E Town Concrete Vs Kickback 00:50:39 - Stigmata Vs Blood for Blood 00:53:10 - Pardon This Interuption... 00:56:12 - Beginning of Round 2 00:56:21 - Dying Breed Vs All Out War 00:57:24 - Cold as Life Vs The Killer 00:58:19 - Knuckle Dust Vs Terror 00:59:01 - Death Threat Vs 100 Demons 01:03:24 - Hatebreed Vs Trapped Under Ice 01:05:30 - Merauder Vs Stout 01:07:03 - Agnostic Front Vs Irate 01:08:59 - Kickback Vs Blood for Blood 01:10:51 - All Out War Vs Cold as Life 01:20:20 - Terror Vs 100 Demons 01:22:34 - Hatebreed Vs Merauder 01:37:47 - Irate Vs Kickback 01:40:28 - All Out War Vs 100 Demons 01:46:37 - Hatebreed Vs Kickback 01:47:22 - The Finals....   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

It's Hardlord time. How are you, Bo? I'm doing very well, Colin. Big week. Big episode right now. Been planning for months. Literally months. Months in the making.

We did the heaviest bands episode. It was controversial. To this day. Yeah, I still get stopped by people at Sound of Fury or at the Rumble. When I go out, people are like, I don't know about neurosis, dude. Like everybody.

The D-Asside typo still haunts my dream. as I'm sure it does yours, but this isn't about that. This is about the hardest hardcore band of all time. We are going to crown the winner today for the hardest hardcore band of all time. And you'll notice this time, keyword, hardcore. Yes, it's much more acute and less broad. Exactly. You know, we realize when talking heaviness, heft, weight, 90% of the discussion was death metal,

extreme metal of some kind of not hardcore. So we wanted to get the dying fetuses and the suffocations, the inevitable champions, really, in some regards, out of the way here so that hardcore in itself could shine. And we could find out the hardest within the genre whose intention is hard. Wow. So let's clarify exactly what we mean. by hard. Let's set the parameters

for this argument we're about to have for two hours. Okay, I think we have to keep personal hardness kind of out of it. Yeah. Because we don't know who somebody in Turning Point could be a serial murderer, you know?

And they're not on here. Sure. Oh, I see what you're saying. So like, you're saying the life outside of the music has to be ignored. I don't know if I ignore, but it can't be the, like, you can't just be talking about that the whole thing. But like they're so hard.

Because then you're saying they're harder than, it's, it's complicated, you're going to get us killed in that regard, you know? That is true. I don't want to be killed for saying a band is hard. Yeah. And like,

cold as life wins. If that's the case, you know. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So we're talking. But now,

an interesting part of that, that is a little bit of a gray area is lyrics. because that opens the window a little bit is all I'm saying. Here's the thing. Before we get into this, let me just tell you. Let me just tell you, I love you so much. And we'll still be friends at the end of this, okay? Uh-huh.

That's all. That's what I wanted to say. Before we start talking about, but this Morris Eulericks pretty hard. Hardcore band. I got it. I got it. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of factors here, but I'm looking at objective,

musical hardness. I'm looking at science. I'm walking down Hollywood Boulevard. I pick the dumbest mother I've ever seen. Hideous too. And I show them two bands back to back.

What does this ugly, stupid son of a bs think which one is harder? You know? Okay. Okay. Science. SFL. South Florida. Science facts logic.

All right. Well. Shit, dude, this is scary. I know. Because, so just a little background.

Colin mostly, we, Colin came up with the list like months ago, resented the other day. This graphic was made within the last like 12 hours. I saw it last night and like my heart sank. Yeah, when he sent it to me like every single matchup is brutal.

Like every single one is like, uh. No, there's no remorse here. And, you know, from the rip. every single bracket is horrifying.

You're looking at it down below now, so you're shaking your head of green. Maybe throughout this week, you've had the chance to fill it out. Yeah. And we might agree with you. We might not. I'm going to say that we probably don't. Yeah. Judging on the last bracket.

But let's get into this. Yeah, let's do the first one. The first matchup here. Dying Breed. Troy, New York's. You know, the Beatles of Troy, New York, really. Versus Earth Crisis. The Beatles of Syracuse.

Of Troy. Not Syracuse, different. Earth Crisis. Oh, no. Okay, sorry, I thought you were talking to him. Yeah, this is true, like, upstate versus upstate winter classic right here. Yeah. This is scary, man.

But, you know, look, you've got the best vegan strategy band of all time. Yeah. Versus. And if you want to talk personal stuff, which I said. I wouldn't. But the one time I saw Diane Reed, the drummer had to run into the bed of a truck and say, can't miss parole and skirt it out of the parking lot. Yeah, sure.

But I'm not talking about that. But yeah, we're not bringing that up. Yeah, objection. What do they say when they don't want the jury to take that into consideration? Oh, that's, that's overruled. No, no, it's sustained, sustain. Sustained means don't listen to that. Okay.

Lanny Lawyers listening. Sorry about that. Here's the problem, though. Earth crisis, again, we're not talking personal. No, but they're on the news as having started like a straight-edge gang. I know, but dude, we're talking musical hardness here. Still vegan, still straight-edge. I know. I'm writing about it.

I still, I mean, that's, I go to bat for them as often as I can't. That they're the most straight-edge band, but it doesn't mean they're the hardest. I will say something I do take into account is depth in the discography. Yeah. Dying Breed's got an LP

an amazing split and I think a demo and that's it. But on that record the second song is like, hey, you're a bitch if you use witness protection. You know?

Yeah. And Earth Crisis is talking Sodom as well as Gamora. Who, but what came out first? Earth crisis? And...

But dying where you don't... No, no, hold on, hold on. I'm... I got a point. I have a point. Okay. Not only did they... Did they start up first, but they are credited as kind of changing music.

And making things... I mean, they were hot. They were the new hotness. Like, Haybury was... Haybury was honored to be touring with them. in the early 90s. So I I think musically the thing is too

is like the styles I definitely lean towards Earth Crisis as being harder. But dude if I if I if I able

but like intention here is different you know Earth Crisis is like intelligent thoughtful thoughtful thought provoking

lyrics that make you rethink a lot of things and change your lifestyle dying Breed is saying double barrel by my side, I'm going to take what's mine. It's saying every song is like, I'm going to kill you. And I mean it. And you don't get that from Earth Crisis. I love them so much.

Happy 30th anniversary to Earth Crisis. But I think what Dying Breed accomplishes in one single album in terms of shit, if hard is the conversation. That's an interesting point. That's interesting. And it is. Yeah. I think I go dying breed. The concentration of hard is something to consider.

It is 100% of what you hear. 100% of dying breed music, the sole thing is, that's pretty hard. Well, it's fine. You better run for cover. Yeah. Okay. You know? I'm going to concede this one.

You don't have to concede. We can go to a judge. I'm much less familiar with dying breed than I am Earth Crisis. I listened to every band when we made the list just to make sure I had like, you know. Yeah. But Earth Crisis, dude. I mean, I know it's like the, the, the cliche song,

but a Firestorm to Purify not being hard. It is hard. I'm not saying it's not hard. But I'm saying not being like the hardest. That's fucking crazy. But even, even the, even. Listen, I get it. I'm straight.

It's because of this. I don't think that makes me harder, you know? It makes me better and smarter than most. But look, if you saw, if it came out, then I don't know, the best UFC, if John Jones was like, oh yeah, I've been straight edge my whole life. Wouldn't you party be like, fuck it.

Yeah, that's hard. You know what I mean? But he's more like dying breed in his lifestyle choices. All right, fine. So take that as you. will. See, the problem here, and let me, I would normally go to a judge, but with this, it would be like, call Martine, because your brother and Brody are both going to say to-

Martin is saying Earth crisis. I know. You want to call Martin? But, well, he's in Europe, but I know that- No, he's ready. I told him. He's going to say Earth Crisis. That's okay.

But Brody would say Dyingbrede. And you're actually, call your brother. Call your brother. Okay. I think he's kind of a better split. loves both, you know? Yeah. So here we go.

We're calling on our first judge for the first bracket. First fucking bracket. That's amazing. There he is. Okay, we've got Taylor Young here. Objective judge of our very first bracket. The first one? The first one, we're at an impasse.

Yeah. Are you ready to hear? Yeah. It's dying breed versus Earth Crisis. Hardest. The only thing you're thinking about is hard. for each one. I know.

We just argued them. I'm going to go just objective, like, all right. It's dying breed, but there's just only because there's so much more real life. Yeah, but that's, see, we're trying to keep that argument out of it. But I'm saying that even in the intention of their music, double barrel by my side, I'm going to take what's mine. I'm saying the real life, um, things. that they are in the lyrics and stuff like that.

Like it's in the music, it's embedded into the music. It's part of it. You can't write. Okay. You're setting a precedent. Like that without having that. But it's in the songs, Bo. It's not saying.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. All right. Excellent. Excellent answer. Good answer. Good answer.

All right. I'll call you later, probably. That is finally wrapped up. But we're setting that precedent. But that, but, but this is a, this is a rare occurrence where the, the thing we're saying not to consider is so strongly embedded into what he's saying the entire time. Okay. But then it's like street justice and survival of the streets are like, yeah, but the music matches what he's saying in dying Breed's case, you know. Oh, okay.

Diggas-d-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. It's all there. All right. First bracket is officially Dying Breed. Congratulations to Dying Breed. It doesn't matter because they're both losing to the winner of the next bracket anyway. Oh, Lord. Okay.

Next match-up, all-out war versus Grimlock. Now listen. Yeah. I know. I know how you feel. Yeah. I'm there for you. I know.

All-of-war? possibly the head, like the hardest band ever. All at war 100% wins this bracket. We're going to keep this one nice and short. Grimlock is, you know,

that's the first hardcore band I ever heard. Right. That's the first Palm Ude I probably ever heard. Damn. Ultimately, the reason I'm in this world at all can be accredited to this band, the song Mountain of Power. But all at war is,

is all at war. One of the most consistent musical artists in any genre, period. Dude, I kind of realized the other day they're kind of the, they're like the cannibal corpse of hardcore. Cannibal corpse,

bolt thrower, yeah, bad religion, all at war. Those are the bands with the most great records. The big four, baby. You heard it here. So congratulations all at war. You're going to the next round. Holy fuck. this next bracket.

I feel for King Nine here. Of course. They got... They got hosed by our graphic designer, Carrie. This wasn't us, I swear to God. I'm sorry to King Nine, who would all agree. Yeah. Cold is life wins this bracket immediately.

But look at how few modern bands are on this. Yeah. King Nine deserves their rightful place on this list. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. You know? Yeah, I like that. It deserves to be said that there's 32 hard bands that I think are the hardest ones that we think are the hardest ones here.

And King Nine is one of them. The Monstars are one of them. They're like without question, King Nine versus some other band could easily be second, third round. But in this case, they are up against a colossal juggernaut in coldest life. Yeah, dude. So congrats to cold as life. It's literally one of those memes where it's like the people with camels walking on the beach and then like the pyramid being off the shore and it's just cold as life.

It's just kind of. Yeah. What can you do, you know? I don't know. Okay. Interesting next matchup. The killer versus everybody gets hurt. That is interesting because they're kind of similar.

Similar in hardness where they're both. They're both offer so much more than you think they're going to. Yes. EGH, everybody thinks is like this fucking stupid beatdown band. Yeah. And at the end of the day, it is similar to Coldus Life where it's, you listen to the whole record, you're getting everything you like about hardcore. Right.

Killer is the same. Honestly the same, yeah. The later, the second LP is fucking like, it's an opus. I just put that up on my wall. like the print of the artwork, just hung it up yesterday. Like, I love that thing. Yeah, I, I have a bias. I have an obvious bias.

The same way that Grimlock influenced you, the killer definitely influenced me. And like everyone I know from here for heavy hardcore, so it's kind of like, I have a bias. And then also lyrically, hooey, there's no. I think, Bo, I'm with you. Okay. All right. I think the killer is taking this bracket. And my argument is that EGH is so much more than hard.

And like, you know, the killer obviously is too, but everybody gets hurt is not just doing, you know, like tough guy, hard stuff. Neither is the killer, obviously. But like, I want everybody to take from this that you need to listen to EGH. Basically, you're going to listen to the killer because they're going to, they won this bracket. But EGH, they're back, they're gigging again. Truly, like, a top 10 underrated New York hardcore band solely because they're more than you think they are. Good point. I like that.

Check them out. Do the playlist of this bracket is going to be great? This is actually the best music of all time. So far, the winners are dying breed in the first bracket. All Out War, second bracket. cold is life and the killer. So that's our,

you know, that's our top, top quarter of the, of the top left side. Holy hell. We're just getting started, folks.

And next we've got, this is an interesting match. It is. Built upon frustration from Pittsburgh versus knuckle dust from foggy London town.

Dude. can I let's be honest about something okay there's almost nothing harder than a hard British dude than a hard British guy yeah I know what I mean and dude knuckle dust

yeah E standard no shit E standard wow that means that every other most bands on this list are tuned to D at the highest yeah right knuckle dust is in

straight up fucking Woody Guthrie tuning, you know? Yeah, yeah. They're playing the same shit that Johnny Cash was playing just distorted. Yep. And they're making it hard. They are proof that you don't have to tune down to Behar. And I think that

deserves to be commended. Built upon is a show, a band that has not come up on the show a lot. No, it hasn't. Book of Morning Resurrection. What's another? Resurrection? two incredible, insane hard records with great, like super clean, but hard production.

Probably the hardest PA band of all time, other than Taste of Steel. That band's hard, but they didn't have a lot of material and the recordings sound like they were recorded inside of a toilet, like in the bowl, back bowl. The porcelain, porcelain. Which is impressive that they got it all in there. But it sounds wild. But that's the charming thing. Anyway, it tastes to steal great. Built upon frustration, great band.

They'll be on the playlist. Knuckle dust is the winner of this bracket. I think I agree. I'm confident in that. Yeah, me too. They're kind of the champion of what, when I envision UK, like heavy hardcore, 100%. That's the band, you know.

And I would think that the UK probably feels the same. Hope so. I would imagine they're the, they're number one. Yeah, I would imagine so. So knuckle dust is the winner the next bracket. Okay. All right. This is crazy.

Dude. All right. Next matchup, terror versus negative approach. This is the real Black Sabbath versus Musuga conundrum. We had in the heaviest man's episode. Yeah. Because it's,

there's two bands on here, negative approach, discharge. Nothing exists without them. Yeah, they invented this. Other people heard them turn punk rock extreme and just did it and kept evolving it. Terror is by way of negative approach and discharge, but we'll get there. However, terror is terror, you know? And this isn't about who was first.

It's about who's hardest. I agree. I think Terra is the best hardcore band of our era. Period. By a country mile. Yeah. Fully agree. And so with that very due respect,

I think the, because they have everything, a negative approach has everything we've been talking about, where it's like big discography, hard all the way through. Yeah, not a huge discography. Terror's got a big discography. where they're another band

where 10 LPs, every single one's good. Negative Approach was a band for two years, broke up, came back 15 years later. More than dying breed or something is like what I meant. It's like they have, they have the songs, they had like the lyrics

and like meant it. I don't know. This is hard because they both are hard. But it's, it's first, It's first and best here. Yeah, yeah.

It feels really wrong to eliminate either one in the first round. I agree, but this isn't, this isn't, what do we like more? And even if it was, Tara, we're going. But it's the hardest. And music evolves. Like I said, no longer monkeys, you and me. Yeah. Negative approach wasn't writing at thinking this is hard.

Or like kids are going to kill each other to this part. Which, yeah, I mean. Yeah, you know. It's got to be terror. I think it does have, like, have to be. It has scientifically has to be. And that's what we're men of, you know. We're many science.

We are science. Yes. But it feels wrong. They're on here, you know? They're one of the 32 hardest, and they did it first. Yeah. There you go. That's a good way to put it.

What can you do? It's not that they're getting, They're getting eliminated in the first round because they're up against the best one. You know? It's tough. But you got to turn the emotions off and just look at hardest. Okay. The hardest one.

Terror, it's got to be terror. All right. Terror wins. The next one. Terror wins. Let's write it down. This next one makes me want to tear my eyeballs out. Collins sent the bracket last night.

I read this matchup specifically between death threat and. and madball. And I responded, death threat and bad ball. I don't know how to navigate this conversation. Look, I didn't look at it. I was like trying not to focus on what was what until we started this.

And this is horrific. This is a tragedy. This is a violent act by our graphic designer, Carrie. But I do, I think these are the important discussions that we're supposed to have. Okay.

Hardest. Yeah, knee-jerk, madball. Kne-jerk, death threat. Okay, so this is where we have to really... Well, let's discuss it, you know? Let's break it down. What is death threat has last days, as peace and security?

Peace of security. Got a bunch of other stuff. But those are, you know, those are two landmark, absolute all-time bangers where you can argue, what's the hardest madball song? New York City. Yeah? Yeah.

There's five songs as hard as New York City on peace and security. Yeah, but there's... I don't think that... I mean... Gagin, gagin, gung, gung, go, gung, gong, gong... But I think you could say, just because something's, like, the hardest doesn't mean it's the only hard song. Like, set it off itself.

No, no, there's a ton. Down by law, insane. But I think when you compare the hardest moments, musically... it is death threat. But we'll call on a judge for this one. We might have to call on a judge. We might have to call a judge. Dude,

because also, Matt Ball has a song about Coldest life. Being hard. That's fucking hard, dude. It is, but it's also, yeah, I mean,

and death threats has songs about stage diving and high-fiving, which is hard. You know, that, a bow argument would be like, it's pretty hard to love your friends. No, no, Bo's not going that way. You're not.

You have to kick me in the head pretty early in the morning to get away with that one. Okay. This is the hardest decision I've ever had to make in my whole life. Yeah, because I feel like this is you have the, you have the bias that I have with the killer or something. Right, but also I do think there's, there's an objectivity to the intention in the music, you know? Madball is

landmark, foundational evolutionary like decade defining, era defining, genre defining, genre defining, harkore music. DeathRat is

a hard-ass fucking band. You know? Top three bands from a state that now everybody is doing. The song, Brotherhood, and the way that

they like play it live, is one of the craziest things to like witness. Disgrace, dude. So I'm just, I am thinking, okay, I'm thinking of like the parts. And like Madball might have more sing-alongs. Yes. Might have more participation in a less violent way, I guess. Yeah.

That threat is for the goons, dude. And like in the best way, you know? But so, you know, Madball is too. got go guns let's be real let's let's phone in a judge what do we think about martin for this one I think martin he's gonna say death threat they cover death threat how do you know think about how many times he's toured with madball though you know yeah let's give him a call okay there he is okay martin steward here gods hate terror uh sound of jury fest we've got

we've got a big one for you. This possibly the most punishing matchup on the entire bracket. You're not going to like it. Hit me with it. So the matchup is death threat versus madball. Hardest. So my knee-jerk reaction was death threat. Bo's knee-jerk reaction was madball.

Hardest. What? Mine would be death threat. There we go. Yeah. I don't know. Do I have to like elaborate? You don't have to, but if something comes to mind, you know, I'm sure the people would love to hear it. I don't know. I just sit just the, the Faw, Connecticut area shows and bands all at a, you know, at a specific era of them playing and just thinking about how, I don't know, yeah. The law, the incredible loss of blood that has occurred.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Both, you know, that, that is a tough one. That's definitely a tough one. one, but yeah, knee-jerk reaction, like you said, is the best way to describe it. It's just like something inside of me naturally chooses death threat. And when the word hard, you know, that's the only key word here. Obviously, Madball embodies hard in many ways. Yes. But you look, I argued that Madball's single hardest musical moment, New York City. Yeah.

There are, it's people. and security is littered with parts as hard, you know? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Well, there you go. There you go. I think we yeah, I think we made the right decision. Of course, it was me and you. You know?

It was wrong, yeah. Thank you, Martine. I may call you back later. Okay, cool. All right. Enjoy your bunk. I'm going to let you have this one because I know you're going to tear your own skin off at the next matchup. This is no good. This is all no good. But

Listen, I do think it's criminal to see Madball out in the first round. Yeah, it sucks. One of the greatest hardcore man's in history that will ever exist. Truly like Brett Hart-tier, hardcore music here. But we're talking hard only. And that's the thing we've got to remember. And the winner is death threat. Which, God, this is, this is fun.

You see what I'm saying? Brutal matchup next. 100 demons versus bulldoze knee jerk is 100 demons all the way okay all like just all the way

and I you know bulldoze invented beatdown you know yeah invented what a lot of people think we mean by hard you know what I mean

like when you say like all that band's got a lot of hard shit your mind kind of goes there my mind goes bulldoze and then I'm and then I'm often disappointed and what I hear, you know? Because it's not bulldoze.

And then I go back to bulldoze. I go, there we go. Now I can breathe. Gotcha. But. Yeah, but you're up against one of the greats, one of the hardest. Yeah. Like, like maybe a, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. We'll get that. A hundred demons. And again, this is similar to the dying breed argument. What they accomplished in just hard. Mm-hmm. In two albums, I would put against absolutely anything ever written. And let's think about on the second LP with like some of the melodic shit.

Hard. Yeah, somehow still like really works. Hard and beautiful. Which are my two favorite things. So for me, it's hands down, Hard of Demons. I can't wait to watch you. I'm with you. I can't.

Less bracket. Oh my fucking God. We'll get there. Holy shit. That sucks. But great respect to Bulldoes. That's why they're on here. Yeah.

Probably could have gone to the semifinals, at least against many other bands. But, man, they were up against a Goliath here. And in this case, David didn't make it. David Bulldoz. RIP, Kev won. Absolute legend. Boldos.

An all-time great. Yep. It could only be 100 demons here. That concludes the left side. Tier 1. So our winners are dying breed, all out war, cold as life, the killer, knuckle dust, terror, death threat, 100 demons. This is horrifying. Yeah.

All right. Now it's time to go to the right. Dude, this one's crazy too. I don't like it. Because you have era defining. So the first matchup that we have on the right hand side is biohazard versus trapped under ice. Yeah. And like, I know 2007 demo, I know Biohazard was floating around.

You know what I mean? Like, I know that that's an influential thing. Yeah, no, it had to be highly influential to, to you I. Just thinking about like flow and transitions and stuff, it's like very in vain. You know, but when you go back and like save, save for like punishment, biohazard is offers a lot you know it's not just hard

of the lyrics certainly are TUI's I think their intention is write some hard ass shit okay so it's it's tough to argue it's kind of the

the madball thing where it's like Biohazer had a lot of sing-along parts a lot of kind of you know a lot of fast parts I mean Tio I had fast parts too but it's really kind of the best modern of our like terror is all time at this point

you know TUI we watched blossom before our eyes and become something out of this world Biohazard is three of the greatest pieces of music in history in a row during the like golden era boom of hardcore

yeah true true Fuck. Both era-defining, both kind of... It is, man. Knee-jerk is biohazer. That is knee-jerk, yeah. And it's like, I'm getting in the pit for either one tomorrow.

And I can't say that about a lot of bands. Right. Okay, I think we need to consider intention, like you've mentioned. Biohazard was writing it because they had to. And T-Y is too. That's the thing. But state of the world, like that, when they got there, it's more like we're making

music. Like we're playing huge fest. We're doing fucking, we're going everywhere. We're doing everything. But I do think they got that maybe seven figure, definitely six figure advance for that. Yeah.

And instead of doing ballad after ballot after ballot after ballot after ballot said, hey, let's write the biggest hardcore record anyone's ever heard. Yes, but written for, not written for clubs. T-Y wrote for clubs T-Y wrote for scary dark And I've talked to them about that

At length that like part of Sam's writing method Is visualizing Yes The pit during a park There you go That's as hard as it gets That's if the intention Is something that we're considering

Then it's like well But it was the same When you talk to people in the early 90s About seeing biohazard I know people that were like I didn't even like them I went to the shows to beat people up Yeah, dude

Like I went there to fight Yeah Cause it was gonna happen Yeah Damn, it's pretty hard Pretty hard Fuck, this is tough This is also

This is also very complicated to me As like Danny Schuler Is Yeah As a drummer like All I do That's the guy That's me

Yeah And TY is the The band I cut my teeth Torn with This is tough This is as hard does death threat madball to me. I'm gonna call James.

Okay. Let's call James. Let's see what he says. Because I think he'll say biohazard. This is complicated. The next few brackets are not as complicated. Yeah. Oh, we got them.

There we go. JP. All right. We got a match up for you. This one sucks. So now remember, we're talking hardness, which we've,

oh, were you napping? I'm sorry, buddy. No, I actually was getting up from white tie. Oh. Let me see him. He's a little, he's just a little. Excellent. All right.

So hardness, it's biohazard versus trapped under ice. I mean, it's got to be. I think biohazard is one of the hardest New York hardcore bands, actually. Based on aesthetic, based on sound, you know, based on their actual real life that they grew up in. I personally think Biohazard is a harder ban than trapped under ice. I also think it's an unfair matchup.

It is an unfair matchup, but a lot of what he just said can be said about T.I. I thought it was unfair, but I would go biohazard. Okay. All right. Thank you, James. Thank you, James. Have a good time at Maita. Thank you. Like I said, a lot of what he just said

can be also attributed to TY. You know, the lifestyle, lyrics, aesthetic, era defining. But a lot of that could have been said about Mad Ball and death threat. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? So I'm just, so what's, I'll use the same argument in TUI's defense. Yes.

What's the single hardest biohazard part? Punishment intro, you know? Or black and white and red all over or something? Put that up against fucking. That's a good point. Yeah. Like, okay, what are the parts then? Because biohazard is like fast

But then you have Shintan dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun Whereas But then versus Gana-a-gana Gan again Yeah It's tough man

This is really hard I just thought of a band that we don't have on here That I regret not having Fucking Ramallah That's hard Is Beaufort blood on here? Yeah blood food food is on the bottom I think it's TUI.

I think intention. I think parts. And this is me disagreeing with James. Yeah. But he's not getting the nuance of the conversation like we're having. You know what I mean? That's just knee jerk. Yeah.

And I do think that like when you go back and revisit the biohazer discography, it's made a lot harder by vocals are like vocals and drums and Bobby Hamble solos are like are carrying the band over like a lot of like punk riffs interesting yeah and like it's a lot of it is blue scale they've got their they've got their lane you know they've got their box they like big time um i do think hardest moment versus hardest moment t y does take this is a more interesting matchup than i expected to be honest i thought for sure you were going to say all respect to T.U.I. It's got to be biohazard.

I'm truly kind of torn because I keep going back and forth. I mean, biohazard is a much more extensive discography. So in terms of like the depth.

Yeah. It's tough to argue. But TUI's whole point is hard. Yeah. It's the whole thing. The thing about how Sam was writing riffs and like just all that. And they're doing fetus a lot, which is hard. And lyrically, but you know, hardcore was different. True. And Biohazer

was doing them first three. I might go TUI. They both also have like some of the best hardcore music videos ever. Oh. You know what I mean? So it's just this is actually a but like TUI is doing if there, everybody goes, let's do a biohazer style video. Right. When you do the like walking with your boys. Yeah. Black and white thing, you're going, let's do a biohazard one. Yeah. Very true. But we're not talking most influential.

We're talking hardest. And I think because I just said that, I have to go TUI. Yeah. So apologies to TUI, anybody who might be listening, who are probably frustrated with that answer. They're probably like, no, we're not, you know. I do. I think, I think they'll have, biohazard will understand, you know. Bile Hazard is one of the best ever

Yeah But if the conversation is only hardest I think TUI takes it Okay Congrats to TUI God damn That was a crazy matching That's David versus Goliath

And it landed You know And David wins Right in there Oh the next one Oh my God I'm so sorry ringworm All right

So the winner Of that one Hey, breed. Come on. Listen. All do respect to the worm. I love the worm. We. Big time. Sons of the worm, really.

It's Hayprey. Is that the only Cleveland band we have on here? Yeah. Yeah. Love, love the worm so much. But like, later, later worm gets more fast and more metal. Yeah, pure metal. I mean, Hayprey does too.

but they're still going gag-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g- It's hay-pread. Come on. Hey, hey-pbreed. There are two bands on here. Ah, three bands on here. Four bands on here, when I think of hard, those are the bands that do it.

And something tells me they're going to be the top four. We'll see. We'll see. So, yeah, I think that's an easy, all due respect to the worm. All, truly. All the love in the world to the worm. It's a breed It's a breed

No question Who interesting one This might be This is gonna get This is gonna get wet and wild here Cromag's versus Marauder For me What

The way we've been interpreting hard It's kind of no question marauder Oh I'm with you Okay The student becomes the master Produced by Paris Yeah truly But losing in the hardest band bracket

But it's hardest. Something that we never really talked about is after we did the Paris episode when we were in Vegas for the Avian thing, we listened to Cromax like hours. Because it dropped while we were together. Yeah. So we spent three straight days blowing through the discog. And you don't walk away from it going, that's the hardest shit. You walk away from going like, what a fucking incredible band. Yeah.

True. And also what's interesting is like when when people mention Chromeags, they're going to think Age of Quarrel, which is like the less musically hard of their desography, right? Yeah, their hardest moment is probably Apocalypse now. 100%. Which what do we say, Mach 6, I think? I think they go Mosh 6, which nobody else in history is done. Whereas Marauder, I would put, think about the math. Master Killer breakdown for a second. It should not work.

How is that hard? Nah, nah, nah, nah. Me doing that sounds hilarious. Yeah, yeah. Nah, nah, nah. And then going, and then anybody will hear that and go, oh, that's one of the hardest fits of all time. I mean, I will.

You made that hard? That's like knuckle dust do any standard. There you go. But here's nail and coffin for this conversation. Any song on Master Killer is harder than any Chromexon. Period. Any song a master killer comes on, you do this. Immediately.

Dude, literally the first snare hit in time ends. The first snare hit of the record. And it's just like, this is everything I want in hard music. This is perfect. And again, all due respect to Cromax. All due respect to Cromags. We're talking hard. Yeah.

It's Marauder. Yeah. And you're awesome. Honestly, it's hard. What do you fucking want from us? Yeah. You know what we're about. Man

crazy matchup This one's kind of wild Like It's floor punch versus stout Yeah Obviously I love floor punch And to me A hard edge band

adds a little more To what they're What they're doing All day But stout is Stout is infinitely harder We're talking hard We're not talking

Most straight edge We're not talking best fastest We're just talking hard Stout The argument can be made We've made for any fucking ban Can be argued for stout I think a lot of people

Who maybe aren't familiar with floor punch Would put it on and be like what This is hard And then those same I know but I'm saying those same people We'll put on stout and go Yeah this is hard So it's kind of like

If we're doing Hollywood Boulevard Roman's Chinese theater Dumbass on the street And showing them both The answer stout Yeah The God of War intro Before the riff comes in his heart

It's just hard drums you can't do that and they did it and everything he says is real they got they did the fucking AK 47 shirt which you

everybody wants to have one of those you know design wise it's got to be stopped yeah holy fuck yeah how do you do this congrats stout

sorry four punch but as you can see a fast straight edge man being one of the 32 two hardest bands of all time to us. There's a reason for that. There's a reason they're on there. For sure. And it's like half lyrically, which is

fucking sick. It's fucking awesome. Floor Punch ribs. Discharge versus AF in terms of hard. So let's break this down. Discharge one of the most influential musical acts in history. D beat.

Yeah. Discharge beat is what that means. If you see, if you hear somebody say, we're a Dbeat band. It means discharge beat. They are doing the thing that discharge does. Which like Pantara did. You know what I mean? Like there's like huge

bands that did the Dbeat. So you really, you got to think about that. The discharge beat. A. F. has got some D beats, you know. But A.F. is A. Yeah. I think this is a Terra negative approach thing. Yeah. It's the chicken and the egg.

Yeah. And the chicken could smash the egg. Wow. Oh, damn. So is AF's the chicken? A.F. is the fucking chicken. Yeah, I think. The biggest rooster.

And you ain't snuffing him. All right. A.F. Kind of only got harder, too. 100%. Or is discharge got weirder. Oh, interesting. Yeah, A.F got, and probably purposefully harder, especially when Henderson, you know, like.

That's the dude. One voice is, yeah. That was like putting the stamp on the 90s and being like, Hey, we're just, this decade is just getting started and we're different, but we're the best. Yeah. It's got to be AF. Love that. I, I've, that's probably the first one where I'm like, 100% totally agree with everything.

Okay. This one is so funny. Infest versus irate. Battle of the eyes. I mean, look, I love it. It's fucking irate, man. Of course it is. I love infest.

but when you're looking for hard Yeah Hard and pissed off Can very happily coexist But they don't necessarily Add to one another Like they're not I mean infest is on here

You know yeah Yeah yeah It is to the heart of it To the core of it Harder than most things will ever be 1134 I rate Is like what the new generation Looks at that now

As like an age of quarrel tier Hard record And you put it on, you can understand why. Yeah, I think that's a pretty easy one. Okay, so that's that rate. The battle of the eyes was very fast. Quick one.

E-town Concrete versus Kickback. Where to begin here? Listen. E-town, before they play their big ballad song, so many nights. He says, this is the hardest song of all time. And then they play that. It's pretty cool. Pretty cool.

Is it true? Yes But Kickback The first time I heard kickback Was Taylor Sitting me down And putting Forever War on

And just looking at me the whole time I was probably 13 You know And I was sitting there like Isn't this cool It was literally like the world The Big Bang happening

Was me hearing kickback And this is a similar event For Etown Where I was like this is a loud Ah, yes. You can do this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But kickback was so extreme and wild.

And then the day no surrender came out, getting that CD, putting it in and just sitting there in awe, track by track. I don't know that I've ever felt anything like that. It's pretty obvious to me. It's got to be kickback. Yeah, yeah. I fully agree. And, you know, one could argue lyrically, I don't know what the hell. kickback is talking about.

I don't want to know it, dude. And I still know it's hard. Yeah. Yeah. So, congrats to kickback. Okay, this is an interesting last matchup here.

Because this is, Blood for Blood is like the diary of Rob, of White Trash Rob. Yes. And it's the hardest things a man has ever thought and said. This is crazy because it's like

Boston versus New York in like the worst way. In the worst way. And then Sigmata was a band that me finding them early was as foundational as something like kickback to just my growth and my entry to this genre. But God damn, man. Sigmaata's discography is not as deep as Blood for Bloods.

That's true. And what Blood for Blood accomplishes in hard ways by playing what is a punk music. a lot of the time. Yeah. But also, dude, you pick up a guitar. What's one of the things you do? Dund,

dun, dun dun dun dun da. Gang, gung, gung. No. Listen. It's tough. I've heard... I've heard, like,

true, like, legendary, like, the stuff of legends about early blood for blood shows. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Just like, no one was safe. You don't, want to be there. Yeah. I think I'm with you. I don't, yeah. I like,

I love stigmata. I would probably sooner put on stigmata. But when we're talking, for the purpose of what we're talking about, I think it like has to be blood for blood. I think it has to be blood for blood. And a big part of the argument is when you can accomplish something and have somebody walk away going,

that was fucking hard, without making it just 0-134-0-1-3-4 the whole time. Right, right. And getting around the neck and playing fucking fast punk music, it must, you got to be, you got to bring it up, you got to talk about it. You got to factor it in. I think it's blood for blood here. Yeah, I'm with you.

All right. So is that, wow, that was faster than the left, I think. Yeah, that one. So the right side, first round winners, T-U-I, Cape Reed, Marauder. stout, a F, irate, kickback, blood for blood. Lordy. Speaking of which, speaking of Lordy, got this shirt from Mad Vintage.

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It is time for To get deeper into our left side winners here This is crazy First up This is brutal Another battle of the upstate here Yeah Kind of I mean Hudson Valley

It ain't in the city It's not the city either Dying Breed versus all at war Come on I know. It's got to be all at war. It's funny. I was kind of watching you set precedents and then looking ahead at matchups coming and I was like, but this one I'm able to scientifically look at musically, you know, purely musical alone. And I was doing that with Dying Breed and Earth Crisis too.

But Dying Breed versus All at War, All at War has fucking 10 albums of the hardest shit ever. Yes. So it's really nearly impossible to compare. and I would put the resist intro up against any song ever written. Wow. And maybe be like, yeah, this is maybe the hardest one. So that's easy. It's got to be all at war.

With all due respect to Dying Breed, whom I love so much, it's got to be all at war. Yep. Our second matchup here, coldest life and the killer. Hey. I love my hometown boys. I'm a fair man. I don't

I mean It's cold as life And I don't think I don't know if there's I mean I think the killer Here's that and goes Yeah

That's pretty fucking fair Yeah I don't want to like Give any spoilers away But cold his life might just be the hardest Ever We're getting there So I think I think that's a pretty clear cut

It's just like whether or not they We don't know who's going all the way I think with the heaviest bands one, we had a pretty good idea who was making it to the end or near the end. I truly have no fucking idea in this case who's winning. But I do know in this matchup, it is cold as life. Yes. Congrats to cold as life. Next up, we've got

knuckled us versus terror. Yeah. I mean, hey, matchups are matchups. You know. You've got British, British aggression and reality in East Standard versus the best hardcore band of all time. Yeah. It's really. It's got to be terror. Of course it's terror. I fucking love terror.

We love terror on this show. We're also big supporters of knuckle dust on this show. British legends, icons. At this point, and all time, great. But it's, we're talking terror here. Yeah. What do you want for me? This is fucked.

This is getting insane, man. So the next one is so good. So I'll introduce it for you, Colin, and I'm going to let you just talk. The next one is death threat from Connecticut versus 100 demons from Connecticut. Take it away, Colin, from Connecticut. I don't like this. I don't like this episode. This, I mean, this is, it's not for.

very, it's not as hard for me. I agree. Okay. It's got to be 100 demons, right? It literally has to be. It's got to be and it's it crushes my soul in half to do. But

as I've argued for other bands, you're getting so much from death threat that's not just hard, you know? Yeah. There's beautiful, powerful, emotional relatable things. You're getting youth of today from them too.

Yeah, kind of, yeah. Yeah. It's youth of today in Heyprey, which you know, the intention of youth of today is certainly not hard. So death threats whole thing all the time isn't, we got to be the hardest. Whereas 100 demons, whether they like it or not, whether they mean to or not, it is.

Even when it's operatic and beautiful, it's still... You're still killing motherfuckers, too. It's like a movie score. Like a movie score can be played with harps, and horns and woodwinds and shit, but it can be hard. That's how to need this. You look at that stage and you feel hardness, radiating. It's got to be 100.

It's got to be 100%. That was tough. That was hard. But it was like, I had to tear the band-ed out. You should call Taylor just to see what he says. All right. I think he's going to say, I think he's going to agree with us. I think he's going to agree.

Okay. I just want to get one last Connecticut. Like, this is a true, like, this might get me killed, you know? But I would hope that they, the greater Connecticut hardcore community understands and agrees. And I think even death threat would be like, yeah, I understand. So we've already decided this one, but I just want to, we kind of want to verify the answer. just for added security and peace. In the second round, we've got death threat versus 100 demons.

Yeah, we said the same. Yeah. And the argument is that death threat offers so much more than hard, you know? I was going to say if it was a threat. Yeah, it's a complicated question, but we're just talking hard. And 100 demons is that all the time, whether he's, doing operatic voice or not, you know? Absolutely.

And whether Bruce is singing or Pete is singing, it is just fucking hard. Yeah. I mean, it's other stuff. It is, but even that other stuff is hard. That's what I'm saying. Yes. They can't turn it off. There aren't.

In history. Yeah. Okay. That was all. Thank you. Okay. Bye. All right.

A hundred demons wins. A tough matchup. And that is our left side. quarter final? I think, dude, we're actually done. We're so done. Our left side second bracket is now done and the winners are all out

war, cold as life, terror, Hunter Damans, fuck me. Dude, this is getting really good though. It is. This is like, this is the heat, man. The heat is on. Yeah. Yeah. All right bracket. Here we go. Stage two.

Hatebreed versus TUI. Apologies to TUI. It's got to be fucking hay breed. It just is. It's one of those. I think Hey Breed is like, I don't know,

the Yankees or something, just like the team that you're like, oh, here they come. They've got the biggest budget. They've got the best roster. You know, they got Frank in the band.

Yeah. And Frank's in like every other one of these finals. Yeah, no, absolutely. But man, and I, you know, we didn't go in depth about Heyperee before

when they, They were against ringworm, but under the knife, from the, from the rip, from the demo, it's, I know people that don't like a single mosh part or hard, quote unquote, ban that love under the knife. It is like the rawest representation of hard, hardcore, maybe ever recorded, like the purest. And, dude, we got it from Jamie himself that, like, they saw kids. he saw people at shows wanting to mosh hard and was like, I'm gonna give them something to mosh about.

I'm gonna make this. Yeah. And then you have satisfaction, which is Abbey Road level, you know? Straight up. Historical music. And that happens to be that hard

and prolific. And then you have the follow up in perseverance, which is even harder. And then you have the follow up and rise of brutality, which is maybe even harder. And it's,

It's an unfair match. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because, I mean, TUI is generation-defining killed melodic hardcore. Oh. And they should get some points for that. And I should have brought that up in round one. I'm sorry, T-U-I, you killed it.

Thank you. Haypreed wins this round. Yes. Apologies to T-U-I, but I think the amount of conversations I've had with Sam about hate breed make me understand. I know he'll understand. Good. We've got Marauder versus Stout.

This is really interesting. It's still, Marauder is able, Marauder like Hunter Demons, is able to be hard always. Right. Even on five deadly venom's, on the,

yesterday, tomorrow. And in the room seems so far away. On the brides. I mean, that part is fucking... And it goes into maybe... Yeah. It's tough.

And it's like... But it's not that tough. MasterCol is my favorite hardcore album of all time. And one of the hardest. Stout means every fucking syllable that they say. And they're underrated, underappreciated they just happen to be up against

a nearly unbeatable opponent here. Yes. In Marauder. I hope that they understand. Congratulations to Stout for making it to this point. I love to have them on here. I love to ride for Stout. You're up against Marauder.

It's hard. It's got to be Marauder, yeah. It's got to be Marauder, which means the next round matchup is absolutely fucked. Moving on. But of course. Congratulations to Stout. But Marauder wins this bracket. Agnostic Front

versus irate. Is irate a New York band? Yeah. Yeah. We are New York Metal. Oh, yeah. Of course. Which here's the thing.

They're calling themselves New York Metal by second album. And this is the hardest hardcore band of all time. And has it AF ever said they were anything other than hardcore? You know, hell no. Hell no. But put the hardest moments up against each other. And it's tough discussion. Hard, you know?

Hard, yeah. This isn't favorite. This isn't best. This isn't most influential. It's hard. I think we got to go objective here, Bo. You think it's irate? I think it's got to be aright.

Just because we're talking about like, what are the parts? What are the, what's the intention? And you go part for part, and it's like the amount of like jaw-dropping hard things on 1134 alone, that's not what AF is doing. That's not their point. They have always shit and they have sing-alongs. Yeah. And even on victim of pain, even on this groundbreaking thing, this like life-changing, groundbreaking thing, a lot of melody. Yeah.

Like they weren't thinking, this is hard. They were thinking, like, this is hardcore. Right, right, right, right. Okay, I think I agree. Whereas I was thinking, I want bloodshed. Yeah. It's got to be. I think, I think in, in, we would look like fool, it would look like we're crusading for cool points.

If we were doing AF, which we know it's well documented how much we love AF. But we are talking science here. Yeah. It's got to be irate. I think it's totally fair and objective. Okay. I'm glad you think so. Doosy up next.

Kickback versus blood for blood. It's real apple to oranges. It is, but it's, but like, such extreme, the biggest apple and the biggest orange, you know? Mm-hmm. Hmm.

Where to begin? Both motherfuckers mean everything they're saying. Okay, but let's think about the guy on the street. He's saying, he's probably saying kickback. Yeah. Damn, you got me. You know what I mean? I just like, I.

Yeah. It's like a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, if I put both of these on. The hardest moments from both. Yeah. That's got to be kickback. Yeah. And like, no disrespect to blood for blood. Not at all.

Because, because they are hard in a way that we're actively saying. sang is like unfair in competition. Right, yeah. And they've got, again, a band with just infinite melody thrown in. Oh, yeah. And just like God tier songwriting chops, timeless riffs, timeless melodies,

lyrics that everybody's ripped off, you know, hanging on the corner under one of them cold streetlights or something. We've all been there. that was he but he was first to hang out under a street line it's his life but man kickback is the best European hardcore band of all time

and the hardest one as well I agree so it's got to be kickback shoo fucking doozies oh shit okay I think now

this is gonna be really hard this next round I think now this is technically a quarter final okay because it's coming down to two on each side so it goes does it go quarter semi final or does it go quarter semi and then final okay fuck me shit cock oh this is no good we've got all at war versus cold his life next so this is where now i think the the like mythos of the band does kind of start to weigh in Yeah.

Yeah, but it does. And Mythos considered All Out War has 10 or so amazing LPs. But, you know, the reason Cold is Life maybe doesn't have more could also be considered due to members no longer being with us and Jeff not being available. right this is fucked up all out war versus cold as life knee jerk for me

is all out war yeah so knee jerk for me is cold as life okay and it's like and I hear that and I go maybe he's right I can't

but here's the problem though I'm having a hard time removing everything around the music you can't explain all that to the man on the street I know I'm just having a hard time I'm really, I really, I know.

So, when we're talking hard and intention. But also hard, intention, all at worst, intention is let's write the craziest hardest shit. And Jeff, Jeff himself said, they didn't write Bornland Hard thinking people were going to be killing each other. Like, they just thought it sounded cool. It just ended up as the hardest because they are the hardest. But when you, when you zoom out, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think I'm with you.

I think we got there. Do you think maybe we call on a judge? Yeah, but it's got to be, who are you going to call? Who would understand? Celi would be a good one. Yeah, I think I, you know, James would be a really good one for this. Let's try Dan. Okay.

And then we'll call James back. Okay. Hey, Dan. You're live on the show. We're doing the, this is Dan Sealy from King Nine, six-time hardlore guest. We are doing the hardest hardcore band of all time bracket right now. We are the hardest, hardest, hardest hardcore band of all time. We are, and before I say it, we are trying to factor out the members' personal lives from this.

So just music. Just, just music, objectivity. if I show them to a guy on a street who knows nothing about this world, who are they going to say is harder? To start our left side quarterfinals, we have All Out War versus Coldest Life. So you want me to just give you, I'm just going to tell you who is harder.

Tell me. Cold's life's hard. Oh, but think about it, Dan. No, no, without it, think about the lyrics. I know, I know, but look at 10 incredible. LPs and consistency. Doesn't matter, dude. If you write, if you write a song,

like, little from the world, and before that, born to land hard, and then later on the record is ski mask in a 45. I know. Police is on there. But from Jeff's own mouth,

hard wasn't even the intention. You know? I get it. Listen, I get it. I understand. There are things. that All at War just doesn't do

The song promise Just telling Telling somebody We're gonna get you Motherfucker Is fucking Fucking harder than anything Law at War's ever done

But But The guy on the street Think You are so You're close to this material I understand but can he i i know that this is not exactly a fair question but if you if you give a guy in the sheet

the music and then a lyric sheet he's going to be like oh it's this that's a that's fair you know what i mean i think i think you may be right if lyrics are half the battle here you may be right wow yeah the dude lyrics alone they don't it just doesn't come close sorry Sorry, Mike's for. You've write great lyrics. And he's still doing it. That's the thing. He's still killing it.

He is still doing it. And I think he would agree with me that his lyrics are not as hard as cold as life lyrics. I'm sorry. And I don't, yeah, I don't think that's his lyrically his intention. But musically? No, it's not. His lyrics are great. But I think they're about much broader topics.

The downfall of man. The kingdom of hell. The kingdom of heaven. All right. Let me call James. Thank you, Dan. We might break the tie with one more vote. Thank you for your service.

Bye. All right. These are two of James' favorite bands. Okay. All right. He's on his way. He's going to Maitai. He's going to kick some ass.

He's probably listening to one of these two bands. All right. We got All Out War versus Cold as Life. Yeah. It's a tough one for me, but in my personal opinion, All Out War has some of the hardest riffs ever in any hardcore. In any albums consecutively, I would say All-O-War is probably top five of my favorite bands and hardest.

Cold is Life, I would say, has five or six hard songs musically, but they're much. more, I feel like you're more punk influence than all. So that would that, I mean, I like obviously Cole's life, you know, almost as much, but I would say if we're going hardest, like, it's got to be all at war for me. Okay. All right. Thank you, James. Thank you, James.

All right. Have a good time. I think I agree. Dude, I'm fucking flip-flop. It's hard. I mean, I could, this is, this is. the challenge because I could absolutely I was swayed by both

as was I but I think they haven't heard the rest of the discussion about every other band I think intention and the parts it matters. We're talking musical hardness yes you know lyrics

lyrics obviously matter and in that regard of like obviously cold his life it's not even close no it's not even close this is borderline it I think it's all at war. I think we rip the bandaid off. Even if it comes down to the number of hard parts.

Yeah. You can have quantity and quality. I will. Yeah. I think for like what I meant by this, you know, of like hardest ban is if I'm, if I cover. Yeah. We've both covered both of these bands, you know? That's true.

One went better for me, and it was all at war, you know? Interesting. But I don't know what that has to do with this. It's just I think hardest moments musically versus hardest moments musically, it has to be all at war. And what Dan said is true is like, or I'm sorry, what James said is true is like there's a little bit more punk influence. A lot more punk. And if we're talking, if we're removing the personal shit away from the music, yeah, I think it's all at war. I think anybody would hear them, be like, oh, that's, they're for sure say heavier, but they, I think harder is there, too.

Yeah. And, you know, this one, this is our, this is the most devastating one yet. Yeah, but just like the, what went into this is, uh, I don't think either of us happy that are happy that we have to do this. But it's got to be all at war. For a musical, objective backup standpoint, it has to be. Yeah. All right. The winner's all at war.

I can't talk about it anymore. I'm going to change my mind. All right. Brutal next matchup, as all of them are from now on. Terror versus 100 demons. Listen. This is one of those. This is Wesley Snipes crying and pointing the gun kind of the thing.

Where it's just like... At terror? Yeah. Because 100 demons is harder. I love terror. Yeah. Love terror. But...

I think they're the best hardcore band ever. Yeah. Yeah. That doesn't that does not mean they're the hardest and I think even terror understands Yes they close with keepers of the faith that's borderline up hardcore ballot you know right right sure It's got to be hundred demons here dude Period yeah I'm just thinking of like songs like part for part it's like his father son dude Dund done done done done done done done done done done done done done done come on there's a yeah there

They have no shortage of riffs. They're all hard. They're all meant to be hard. Yeah, that's the point. And terror, much like Cold is Life, much like EGH, offers so much more than that. Much like death threat. Yes. Where it's like everything that you can get in hardcore you can get from terror at some point.

Wow. Yeah. Which makes them the best ever. But the hardest. Yes. In this case is 100. 100%. 100%.

A 100%. I love a... There's a meme I saw the other day that was like good. Good dick got you laid up going. So how many demons? Pretty good. Pretty good.

Nice work. Okay. So our left semifinal is all out war versus 100 demons. Wow. Wow. Holy shit. I think James may have called who the big four were going to be. Did he really?

My final four is definitely going to be... I won't say it, but so far, he's two, and I have a feeling he's about to be three. Shit, okay. Here we go. I really wish this next matchup was not now. So this was... Hey, breed versus Marauder is probably something I've... said a dozen times before.

Yeah, but you've never factored only hardness. Yeah, but I mean, look, Haypreed later on has more sing-along stuff. Marauder later on don't have anything. Yeah, they don't need it, brother. Yeah, but Hayprey could have not needed it too, but they chose to keep going. And until, I think every record has,

immense substance. The self-title has some of their hardest songs ever. That's fucking deep. We can't. You can't. I don't know if you can judge it off Master's Killer and Five Deadly Vendums alone. I, of course you can. Okay. Well, then look at the parts.

Yeah. You go part for part. Hey, breeds win. I don't see. I, I, and I'm not even trying to be, to just argue. I don't think so. Well, okay, give me one that you're thinking.

I mean, here's what's great. Any part of the A side specifically of Master Killer. I mean, but like, doomsayer, I could just give you that. Yeah, but that's only, only the breakdown. Like, the rest is like, tic-tik-tik-tik-l-lan. Then-d-d-d-da-da-da-d-d-da-d-d-dan. You could probably mouth. You could probably mouth every riff on satisfaction easier than you could mouth every riff on Master Killer.

No. Not me personally. You're saying. All right. Ready? And here's the thing. Hate breeds goal? Hard.

Period. Hard. Marauder's goal? Hard. We heard what they said to Paris. They go, we want to be death metal. This is my favorite record of all time. We're talking.

And I can still have the sense to go. If hard is the only thing we're factoring, it has to be Hey, Preet. Lyrics. Yeah? Lyrics for Marauder, I think, are harder. But this is like an all at War v. Cold is life thing. Because a lot of the Marauder lyrics, the government stuff, yes, of course. A lot of it is, you know, the kingdom of man, humanity will fall, where Haypreed is their second fucking

studio album is hey my best friend and guitar player just killed himself so I'm gonna write this uplifting thing for you to fucking beat the shit of each other too I don't know that's never been done I know that that's awesome and obviously

I back it I don't know if that is necessarily hard I think I think it does I think and then back to the rise of brutality yeah you go record for record satisfaction versus master killer.

It's tough, but hard being the only consideration. Go perseverance versus five deadly venom's. It's not even close. Go brutality versus brutality. Come on. Well, that's different.

And then they give you supremacy. And then they give you self-title. Yeah, yeah. But that, again, quality and quantity are a thing. I agree when the quantity is still quality. You know? It's not all quality. No, it's not all Master Killer Tier.

But I can't, I can hum every riff on both those records. Right, but that doesn't, but few of them are actively hard. But later perseverance songs, I might not know as well. Yeah, but you hear, unloved, dude, that comes on. Dun, dun dun dun, dan, then, dun, da, and then, dun. I don't, I personally don't even think this is close. What's harder than being the master killer? I agree.

I mean, what's harder than it is going down and da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Who do you want to ring in here to settle this debate? Maybe Brody? I mean, he's going hate-reet. So don't bother, I would say. I think we need somebody objective. Sean. Brody's going hate-reed.

I promise you. but maybe James would 100% go Marauder. So let's go somebody we don't know, you know? Yeah, yes. That's, who would we not? What about Volta? Maybe an Alec or a Mike? Mike's tough.

Alex is, I think, is most objective here. I think he would go Hey, breed. We go, Mike would be a good, Mike would be fair. Yeah. And Mike, you know, Mike analyzes things in his way. Intelligently, you know? All right, we've got Mike Sessario from Tushing Tungs and Holy Blade here.

What's going on? All right. We've got a tough one for you. All right. Are you ready? Yes. This is to determine one of the right side bracket semi-finalists, Mike. Marauder versus hate breed.

Why? You gotta give me the hardest one. Tell him we need an objective opinion. So I need an objective opinion here because I know, I could guess other people's answers right away. Like Nate, I know, is going, is going

hate breed. Right. Alec, I think, is going Hey, breed. I want you because I think that you're going to break this down scientifically and objectively. Hard, like, musically hardest. And lyrically, but not.

And lyrically, but think about it, you know. Dude, that's fucking bullshit, dude. I'm with you. I'm with you. We're going to make one more call. We're going to make one more call. Bo is going to make one more call. And we're going to get to the bottom of this.

Thank you, Mike. Good luck, guys. Thank you. Thank you, Mike. Who should I call? Who loves both? Period. Tie?

I don't know, dude. You know who? would be interesting to call is Chris because he doesn't really listen to doesn't give a shit. You know what I'm saying? So it would be like interesting. Yeah.

Nick would approach it very scientifically. Yeah. Trying to see who we got here. I mean, my band is standing by. Yeah, but they're all going to. Anthony.

Okay. That's a good one. Anthony. That's a good one. I like it. You better pick up, you son of a bitch. This is birthday. What the fuck, you won't? Here she is the birthday girl. Okay. Here we have Anthony Gonzalez.

And All right, Anthony, we've got, I need you to settle the biggest one yet. Biggest and the best. I guess. Yeah, that's right. This... Okay.

Thank you. We are near our semi-finals here. And before we get there, we've got to figure out who's harder between hate breed and marauder. I know. Okay. Okay. If I'm really thinking about it, if I'm really thinking like, hey, this is objectively the best one. Hardest.

Not best. Sorry, the hardest I mean. It's hate breed. I'm with you. Think about it. There's so many more... When I think of a mosh part, and I'm like, fuck, man.

And I see the mosh pin, people get in their ass kicked. Hey, it's aepid. You're visualizing... Mm. Dikida, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, you know? You know?

Absolutely. All right. I think it had to be hapered here. Thank you, Tony. Exactly. No, period. Thank you, Tony. It is hatred.

Thank you, Tony. Happy birthday. Yeah, check this up. Happy birthday, Anthony. Oh, bye. All right, well, that's, I am outvoted, but I'm not, like, I don't agree. I disagree, and I'm exiting.

I think this is a D-Side typo thing all over again. Kind of. I just don't think Marauder is doing or trying to do hard all the time. It is so much more than hard. It's so much more intelligent and intricately crafted. Yeah. It is the best piece of music ever. It's the best one.

Yeah. Period. It's literally the purest, finest example of what hard is. I don't think that's true. And I think a guy on the street would agree. So like if you played... But see, a guy on the street, knucklehead people who don't know about hardcore

when they hear satisfaction and before recording qualities and shit they can't bro but they can't do that think about what I will be heard did for mainstream audiences yeah is that people who like Dave Matthews heard that and they were like this is the hardest shit ever

and I do think that accessibility can be considered here making that a radio hit is crazy going da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-a. Like crafting, doing less in a way that is more? Yeah.

That's pretty hard. All right. What they've managed to do with 0-1-3-4 these past 30 years, nobody else has come close. No way. No way. And that's hard.

All right. I like it. I like it. Master Killer's the best record ever, period. But it's not harder. It and five deadly venom's in a vacuum are not harder than the hate breed discography. See, I... That's my argument.

I legitimately disagree. I think there's more punk. I'll call a third person. I'll call a third person since you're, you know, if you're feeling so strongly about this, then I'm not going to sit here and be like, you're wrong. If it's three, it's been two people right away

who are in your band that, well, one is in one, ones of the other, but were you cover both? Let's see if we can't get one more person to verify.

I'm saying, you cover both. I did. And Anthony, but they're both in bands with me, you know? Yeah.

So let's get an outsider. Hello, Jess, from World of Pleasure. So good. You are live on the show. Terrible that you're showing me. I'm sweating my ass off in a trailer.

No, you're dope as hell. Everybody knows that. So this is a, it's an interesting conundrum I'm facetiming you for. We are in the middle of the hardest hardcore band of all-time tournament bracket episode. Okay. And you are a purveyor of hard, of mosh, of breakdowns, of all things extreme. So we wanted to get your opinion to break this extreme, not really a time going on, but this heated debate we're in. Okay.

We've got to figure out who is harder. Bear with me here. Yeah. Between hate breed and marauder. I knew that you were going to ask me a question about fans that I have no opinion on. Oh, you have no opinion. That's even better, though. So objectively, that's good.

It's hard for different reasons, but I don't have enough an opinion to be able to answer, like, give an educated answer. No, that's good. I want, I want objective here. You're not passionately debating for each one. So you can tell me scientifically from what you've heard, who's harder? Hard. So we use marauder rifts, so I should probably say marauder. Wow.

Yeah. You sound more like apri, though. I'll give you that. I'll tell you that much. Yeah, I'm obligated to choose marauder. Okay. Yeah. obligation accepted

Thank you sorry I'm just making sure that no one is stealing the box of merch No you're doing great that's all we need Thank you so much Jess Have a great day Bye Yeah I don't know dude I

When I think of hard This is this is This is crowbar to me From the other discussion I see and I think the world thinks of hatred Yeah yeah and I think we've ingrained Marauder into the world

But like the greater society hears hard and they go well there's hate breed I gotta concede that that's fine okay because you under like that's I'm not making that up

you know no no no I definitely there's a reason like I heard it in high school and was like oh that's jock shit you know what I mean you're like I don't know what to think of this yeah yeah right so because one is more

musically adventurous let's say or just kind of ambitious and one is hard so I'm with you Okay. I'm glad we got there. But I'm with it. Next one is tough too, man. I rate versus kickback.

I think it's kickback. I think it's kickback. I think it's kickback because, oh, that's interesting because it's kind of... Because realistically, their second record is called New York Metal. So they've got Burden of Crumbling Society EP in 1130 before that we can even put in the hardcore category. Incredibly hard. Legendarily hard. Kickback gets more extreme every single.

time they write something. And I, I, I, I, forever war breakdown alone puts them in contention. No surrender as a whole. Yeah. Is like one of the most un, what is the word? Unimitable, you know, unimitable. Like, like, like you cannot, it cannot be replicated. I got you.

By anyone. Whereas motherfuckers are out here imitating, I rate, you know? Yes. I don't think it's possible to do kickback, and I do think... Oh. It's... A lot of that is in part of how naturally and organically and uniquely hard it is. They're hard in a way that no other band on here is.

Could say the same about Marauder and Hapeed, but that's... Yeah, but also, but it's like, Hapreed could be argued is the hardest thing, period. You know? Even if death metal were in consideration here. I think it's kickback I think it has to be kicked safely kickback yeah and you know

I rate hey you made it far guys excellent work but kickback kickback is every second is violent and intense and like terrifying dude intense is a good way

to put it scary music truly cornered 25 to life breakdown type shit hard in its own way forever war You get like all-at-war vibes hard in its own way.

150 passions, EP, they really find their lane, master it, hard in its own insane way. No Surrender. One of the wildest, hardest, hardest music experiences you'll ever have. It's got a period. So that means we have our semi-finalists cemented, cast in blood, on the left side. All out war versus 100 demons. Fuck me. Versus hate breed.

And then hate breed versus kickback. Let's do this. Okay. Left side. Knee jerk. Knee jerk. It's 100 demons. Yeah.

Knee jerk. It's 100 demons. I just think, again, I think that now you're talking about like the purest, richest, best of what they. all have, right? It's like, yeah. The most densely concentrated hardest music, I think is

100 demons. Yeah. And, you know, if we start getting into part for part here, this could get a lot more difficult, you know? Yeah. Because there's, there's parts on any all-out war record

I would put up against anything, ever. But kind of, kind of the same goes with 100 demons. I know, but there's two albums, you know? And I think I want, to commend all at war for still doing it and still

doing it well. Well yeah, they're semi-finalists. They are semi-finalsists. But, I mean, Hunter Demons did it all in two LPs. As arguably as did, you know, for me, it's the same

thing with Marauder. It's like they're very similar to me. Where it's like, yeah, there's not a lot, but it's so good. Yeah. What's the office thing? Would you like a medium amount of pretty good pizza?

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I don't think that that's... I think 100 Demons is a concentrated amount of like perfectly hard stuff. Yeah. And All At War is an extreme amount of still extremely hard music. But a little more broad in what they're doing. So is demons.

They got straight up like early 2000s Metalcore parts, you know? Yeah. They're doing Kill Switch sometimes. We're all at war is doing Slayer. But we can't hold the Melodic stuff against them. Not at all. No, the time and place, it made sense. And now it's cooler than any Kill Switch song.

Yeah. Shit. I think it's 100 demons. You know what's something that we should, that we'd never even talked about that would have been, an interesting point for every single one of these. In their heyday, whose pit would you be most afraid

to be in? 100 demons. You know? And like, go back and look at some of these and it's like, I think that that answers 100 demons. I think so too. I'm conflicted, though.

I'm battling internal conflict because I think all at war is vast. collection of some of the hardest pit parts ever written is like tough to put anything against do we phone a friend

I don't let's get let's get Sir Brody King in here 100 demons versus all the war okay I think he'll be able to be objective here oh there he is ladies and gentlemen Sir Brody King We are calling you in for a very important discussion.

We are on our left side semi-finals. And we're stuck. We're at an impasse here. All-out war versus 100 demons. I mean, gun instinct, 100 demons. Okay. Period. I'm with you.

I think we're with you. Our knee-jerk reactions were the same. I was considering All Out War's vast discography and consistent discography But it I mean What 100 Demons achieved in just two albums Must be commended I also think you have to take into consideration

Members War Everything else Say no more And the demons wins that hands out All right You're right Ask him about Marauder hate breed too

Just just for fun So you know earlier we were stuck on Marauder and hate breed I mean hard. Yeah, I mean, like, hate breed, musically, the harder band. Yes, period. Marauder, physically the harder band.

Yes, but we're talking, we're not so much talking personally. We're talking musically. Then I think it's objectively hate breed. Objectively, both. All right. All right. All right. Well, now it's all at war in Hundred Demons.

And if you take the lore out and you're, so if people, picture you're a guy on the street listening to both for the first time. Who are you saying is harder? Listen, all at war has never written lyrics. Fuck the women and children. Fuck you. Go die. I think my score will listen to this and be like, that is true.

Guy loves women and children. What do you want from him? Yeah. That's a hundred demons wins hands down. Okay. Thank you. Excellent work. Bye.

Yeah, I think that's how I That's how I feel. Okay. I, I, it was my gut instinct as well. You know, I had to talk myself,

I wanted to talk myself into a discussion here. But I think it's, you know, it's a hundred demons. So congratulations to hunter of demons who have made it officially to the final.

And our right side semifinals, hatebrear versus kickback, it's hate free. Of course. I mean, you're not, because it would have been marauder over kickback. So you're not,

you know what I mean? There's like no. 100%. It just is what I think. I think, you know, the bracket could have been, this could have been anybody here.

But I, you know, congrats to kickback for making it to the semi. Truly. Yeah. This could have, maybe should have been

cold his life in this discussion. Could have been death threat easily. Could have been Madball easily. Could have been biohazard. You know, could have been TUI. But Hatebreed has defeated

kickback in the semifinals. And now we are here to our final. 100 demons. So this is interesting. This is not playing. 100 demons versus hate breed. All

Connecticut. Yeah. But it's kind of the same. thing as Marauder versus Hatred. Kind of. You're going 100 demons? I listen utmost respect.

I hear that and I go, Bose, you're real, man. I think lyrically, the pit conversation, the amount of hate breed stuff that is kind of focus around sing-alongs and is kind of like participatory

later on does kind of tip the scales. But I think you got to throw the scale away when you go first two albums to only two albums. So you're saying I'm saying... Satisfaction and perseverance versus... Satisfaction and perseverance versus in the eyes of the Lord.

And self-titled. And self-titled is a tough discussion already. Then rise of brutality comes in like fucking Thaedon and sways the battle, you know? And then you got supremacy coming in with the Grammy nomination. Don't bring in

my king. And then you got and then you got self-titled the dark horse underworld, scary, hidden, masterful pit-writing phenomenon. Dude, don't discount. Supremacy also. That's what I said.

No, I said supremacy's got his Grammy nominated. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my bed. Yeah. Um, hard. Hard music. call Sean. That might work. Didn't he play in 100 demons?

He did play in 100 demons. This is really funny. Yeah. He might not answer. Stephen. Oh, my beloved Sean Martin. What up?

The king, one of the greatest hardcore guitar players and musicians to ever live. One of the greatest musicians, period, to ever live. You're crazy. I know. Sean, I'm crazy for you. Sean, we are at.

at our grand finale here. We're down to the final two bands, and we figured you, having played in both of them, were the most appropriate person to ask. It's ridiculous. I know. We love you so much. Sean.

The hardest hardcore band of all time is down to hate breed and 100 demons. Jesus. And, you know, I've got to get your take on it. I mean, I'd have to go to us. Wow. Yes.

It's hard to, it's like hard. Yeah. Maniacs? Yeah, I would say 100. So my, so this whole time I've been arguing. If you go to 100 demons show, it's pretty terrifying. Yes. But so were hate brief.

ones. You were there. Terrifying, but it's different. Yeah. You know? I've been arguing this whole time to look at the music objectively, you know, as if I stopped a man on Hollywood Boulevard who knew nothing about this world and showed him a song each by each one, the hardest one by each one. And we did the opposite.

Who would win, you know? Hold on a second. This is my friend, Justin. Is that big Justin? We've got Justin here Justin, let me ask you something Justin, you're live on the show We're down to our grand finale here

It's hate breed versus 100 demons Who's harder? Harder Musically harder Musically harder No, we're going off full discogs Everything considered just the word hard Who's the hardest Harder of the two bands?

I'm sorry, Hunter Demons Wow Wow Unbelievable This is truly Shocking An underdog Upset victory

For 100 demons Fuck yeah It's like the impact That they made with two records You know Yeah but what if Hayprey broke up after their perseverance Would it not have been the same you think

Because they got those two And they rise Comes and whooped your ass And then a grim I'm saying it's kind of a, it's also, it's kind of like hard to, it's kind of uneven with, with like, you know, the amount of stuff too, you know? Which is part of the argument. Hayprey, uh, longevity and consistency must be considered.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean hard. Man, yeah. I mean, just knowing everybody personally, I'd have to say hardest, hard as hard as, harder of the two bands on or demons. Yeah, absolutely understood. You know what I'm saying? But like, uh, it's hard to say, man. That's a sticky position to just.

Roll me into. I know, but it's, you know, it's that Irish wit and that Irish that Irish lights you got. I knew you'd know. You know, and I'm obviously, like, I'm buying, I'm not, like, I love both those bands, and they're all good friends of mine,

and obviously I played with both of them, but, like, it's hard, that's a hard, hard thing to say, like, hard thing to decide, on the spot, especially. Yeah, I know. We're going to get a few more opinions because this is the final. Because you, you, you just, this just bummed you out.

not at all. Sean, this is either way, Connecticut's winning, baby. Either way, I win. So don't worry. We're going to keep going. Thank you, Sean, for this, for this incredible, for your time and these amazing answers. Love you guys. Love you, too. Have the best day. Dude. Bye.

Oh. Dude, foot in mouth, Mr. Young. Holy Lord. That was awesome. He even explained it like he said the like the show you at least want to be at yeah it's true oh man um i think who else do we ask you want to ask one a buddy want to phone a buddy yeah who do i got i think we get three here so that it's five two out of three you know yeah let's see uh anthony

Anzaldo maybe. Oh, that's a good one. It's an interesting one. Oh, fantastic. Brother. Anthony, you're live on the show. Literally?

Yeah. We are at an impasse here. Yeah. This is the grand finale for the hardest hardcore band of all time. And I'm the one you call. You're one of them. And I think you can be objective. here and that's why I called you.

He's going to say, he's going to say hate breed. So the finale is down to hate breed and 100 demons. And the only factor is hard. Yeah. Right. If you were calling Hello, Bo. Hi. I was worried

because I would have had to hang up. I understand. Who did negative approach beat out before I give my negative approach? You got to be. By terror beat negative approach. Okay. In hard. You got to factor hard, you know?

Sure. It's the chicken and the egg there. Okay. Outstanding. Thank you, Anthony. You. Wise and pure, as always. And gorgeous, too.

All right, I got Lumpy. All right. Have a great day. Okay, I'll talk you later. Sounds good. All right. We got Lumpy from Days Media Group here. Days Media Group, a billion.

bands. Lumpy, we need your opinion. It's on we're doing the hardest bands of all time bracket. We're down to the finals. Okay. We got 100 demons

versus hate breed the harder of the two. I mean, I guess I mean, I think it has to be 100 demons. Yes, dude. I mean,

but if the two bands fought, you know who's winning. We're talking to only musically, only musically. Only musically, I mean, it's still, like,

it's kind of a tie. No ties. Fuck it, I'll go 100, yeah, yeah. Okay. We called, a little spoiler for you personally,

but we called Sean, and he said the same thing. I think that does it. All right, buddy. Thank you. I see it. Listen, I'm stunned and blown away. I'm fine.

I feel. And I do like, you know, I could do a dissertation, track by track argument here. Yeah. But I love Hunter Demon so much that I don't want to. Yeah, it's like you're getting your cake and eating it. too. 100%

this is a this is a thrilling underdog upset victory dude I it is an underdog like because you would look at it at the whole list

like with the other one you would look at it and I would go oh it's going to be crowbar but or is this one I don't think you would

immediately say oh it's going to be 100 demons no and you know what's interesting is like if cold his life didn't lose

to all at war I might have had then over 100 demons, you know? Yeah. I personally, I think I would have, my top four to discuss would have been all at Warholed his life, Hunter Demons, Marauder. Those are the four hardest on the list to me.

But it just, that's not the way the bracket. But that's not that's not way it's lit out. Yeah, mine would probably be all at Warcold's life, hate breed, 100 demons. Yeah. So we got, we made it, you know, this is, this is a, this is the bracket at work. Yes. You know, you got to trust the bracket and let it happen. Yeah.

And the way that the bracket saw it happen was with a sneak, 100 demons victory. Heaviest. I'm speechless. Hardest, hardcore band of all time. Holy shit. 100 demons. My life, my crew, fuck you. This has been

Hardlores the hardest hardcore man of all time Bracket It's highly controversial Yeah It's It's highly subjective But I gotta admit I'm thrilled with the winner

Yeah I'm happy with it You guys all fill out your own Tag us Let's see Holy hell Let's see comment your big four That's kind of what I want to know I think after the four

It's kind of then it's really kind of. Then it's kind of, I just, you know, wow. Yeah. I'm stunned. And I'm I don't know what to say. I think nail and coughing is Sean. Yeah. The guy in both bands

sang one is harder. Yeah. I like that with the random guy off the street who doesn't know anything about either, we did the opposite and called the guy who knows a lot about both. You know, the guy who knows about everything. and he said 100 demons. So there you have it, folks.

100 demon wins. 100 demons wins. Yes. Thank you all for watching. We will see you next week. I'm in awe. Truly. Thank you all.

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