HardLore - Trey Williams (Dying Fetus)

Episode Date: February 8, 2024

HardLore is joined by Trey Williams, drummer of the legendary death metal band Dying Fetus, whom we have officially dubbed "the hardest band to ever play music". This interview occured just hours before their incredible and highly anticipated set at this year's FYA Fest, the preeminent hardcore music festival in Florida/the whole Southeast USA. Dying Fetus has always been a band that can fit in any genre of extreme music, and tour with bands from Twitching Tongues to Hatebreed to Suicide Silence and make total sense in context, and their roots in hardcore run deep. Trey has been their drummer for 4 consecutive albums now, the most in the band's history, and we got to hear all about his journey growing up in Maryland learning drums to bands like Helmet, to how he eventually played for a band he was already a fan of. HardLore Official Website/HardLore Records store: https://hardlorepod.com Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod This episode is brought to you by MADD VINTAGE, use code HARDLORE15 for 15% off your order site-wide: https://maddvintage.com FOLLOW DYING FETUS: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/dyingfetusofficial/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/dyingfetusband FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe FOLLOW RACHEL BEN-SHAH: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/rachel.benshah/ Check out our merch at https://knotfest.com/store/?view=hardlore Find all of our videos at https://knot1.co/3vWXsbx TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Intro 1:00 - Favorite t-shirt 1:50 - Dying Fetus playing hardcore shows 2:58 - A Shared Ethos 6:23 - Joining Dying Fetus 7:46 - Drums got him into drums 8:38 - Expanding his music tastes early 10:20 - Bands before Dying Fetus 12:33 - Flying vs driving 14:41 - Recording with Dying Fetus for the first time 17:15 - Song in the set he dreads playing 18:06 - Trey misses the PS1 Audio Visualizer 18:45 - Reign Supreme 20:46 - Wrong One to F*** With 22:36 - Out of the box inspirations 23:23 - Covering hardcore songs 26:26 - Hardcore bands John has gotten him into 27:11 - Other bands love Dying Fetus 31:06 - Make Them Beg For Death 32:29 - Pardon this interruption... 41:15 - Unbridled Fury 41:48 - Playing to a click 43:26 - The Dying Fetus Cadence 44:01 - Fast double kick woes 45:12 - Warming up 45:46 - Trey loves paintball 53:40 - Who do you do? 55:59 - Food 59:26 - Belief in the supernatural 1:01:53 - Closing remarks   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, welcome. It's Hardlore Time. How are you, Bo? So good. Me too. I'll tell you why I'm feeling extra good today. What is that? Where are we at? We're in Tampa, Florida live at FYA Fest for a very special occasion. We are joined by highly anticipated guests, long awaited by the Hardlore audience and by the hardlore hosts. One of my favorite drummers in the world, one of the best drummers in the world of the hardest band to ever play music.

Please welcome. Trey from Dying Fetus. How are you, Trey? Pretty good. Wow, thanks for the good talk-up. That's what I do. Hey, and thank you for inviting me on your T-shirt review podcast. That's so super cool.

What's your favorite t-shirt? Actually, my buddy Blake's old band, no, no, Sunny had a band that I used to work for called Medic. Yeah. And they had Richard Pryor just looking like a wild man on it. Was it just Medic? Richard Pryor? Yes.

That's perfect. Yeah. I miss that shirt actually very much right now. Where to go? It disappeared. It's probably living on the island of lost left socks. Yeah. Dude, my sock situation is dire.

I'll be honest with you. It's tragic. They get sucked into dryers. You know that? That's true. That's what happens. What's your favorite t-shirt? What's your favorite?

Dan Sealy's here. Dan Sealy's here. What's his favorite t-shirt of all time? All time. Yeah. Probably the original Urban Chaos shirt. Original Urban Chaos shirt. Cast 93.

So, Trey. Yes. Dying Fetus playing a hardcore fest is something that people like us have been, just the idea of that has been exciting to us for a long time. How does dying fetus feel about it? You're stoked. We're very thrilled and honored to be asked. Does it feel like, we'll give this a shot or does it feel at home? Does it feel natural?

Probably in this more modern era for dying fetus. Dying fetus was known for being across genre jumping band. I mean, there's a lot of hardcore influence in dying fetus. Grindcore, death metal, extreme metals of a lot of varieties, less black metal, but hardcore. I mean, you can't not listen to a dying fetus album and say, yeah, there's a little hardcore influence there. And so in the past, dying fetus used to play a lot of metal hardcore fest.

But like they've, before my era, there was a lot more since my time has been less. But, I mean, we've toured together on hardcore tours along with sharing the stages with hate breed and your band twitching tongues. Yes, sir. Colin. And so we definitely cross-pollinate. Absolutely. And it's like we all belong together, I think, you know? Absolutely.

There's a shared ethos of just like hearing a hard riff and the feeling you get. Whatever genre it is, it's still, it's the same feeling across all of them of just this. Just I'm going to kill somebody. Robert De Niro face, you know? I'm going to do it. That's good. There's two bands that make me want to, you know, have my back get fucked up. Yeah.

And that is Heybred. Yeah. And suffocation. You know, we were on 70,000 tons of metal and suffocation was on. And we were backstage. I didn't have to play that day. So I'm drinking those big fosters that Australians. Australian's not a drink.

They don't touch that. Yeah. Well, we're not worried about that. But I was touching it a lot. And I just backstage, I was like, I'm going to show you what's up. And it's all band dudes hanging out back there. And I stage dive. And I land on some woman.

And I just, as I land on her like a spider monkey, I just go, I'm sorry. And I run off. And I go back backstage. And I just start shaking my beer like an asshole. And I'm like, you guys are a bunch of pussies. Come on. I'll show you how to do it. And then I jumped off the other side of the stage.

And then apparently John, my guitar player, was in the audience on the audience side. And it just goes, no. And then I ran back behind the stage again. I was like, who's going to start a band Circle Pit with me? And I gathered like two or three other guys and the singer for Cycroptic. And we went out there, got a couple laps in. And the singer from Cycloptic apparently slipped and broke his elbow.

Oh, my, see, that's the. That's the fear. That's why, you know, there's, There's a whole thing of like, I gotta play today. I should. And then you always do. And when you're a drummer, you got a million things that can go wrong. And when you're the drummer for Dying Theater, the world depends on you.

You sing it. You can break everything. Oh, I'll break it all. Neck down. I'll still go, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're fine. Not if you're doing a God's hate set. That's true. I'd be screwed.

That's why I got a, I'm a real good boy when God's A's playing. Really? I'm just viving in the back. You're a different good boy when Twitching plays. Diet. Well, yeah, I'm psychotic when Twiote. pushing time just playing because I'm just like in my I'm in fucking I'm hearing choppers fortunate son you know napalm need me shelter I'm smelling it clear as day so suffocation is the

band for you where that's going to get you riled up and circle pittin man leach of inveracity straight up and it's like um yeah I'm going to throw my back out I'll throw my back out for that um I love that and then just any hate breed song you know I mean of course there's that they're particular bangers yeah you know any of the living in the moment songs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

The mental fortitude tracks, the anthems. Yes. I'm loving this. Yeah, this is good. This is what it, full disclosure, wasn't a fetus guy for a while. But you weren't not. I wasn't,

but you were a fetus. Indeed, at one point. And now you were a guy. My mom, we're all going to be dying and we've all been a fetus. Wow. But he showed me.

He was like, no, dude. Like, listen to this kind of a thing. And, and when you really. put your ear to it, it's so obvious. The heart of dying fetus is F way. Yeah.

So you joined the band around dissent? Yeah, a little bit before that. Well, that was your first album. My first album, 2007, July 4th, 2007 is when I got the call. Happy Independence Day. Yeah, it was quite life change. How did you get the call? On my phone.

Right. Aside from that. What? How did you get involved with the fetus man? Sean, our bass player, gave me a call. And we had just finished playing, I was playing in a band called Covenants that had an ex-member of dying fetus in it. Actually, two ex-members of dying fetus were in the band at one point.

That was Vinnie, who was the singer for dying fetus during like, uh, stop at nothing era. And then Bruce Gregg, rest in peace, Bruce, who played a next step up. He's no longer with us. I ended up playing in Covenants getting asked to be in that. Thanks to my friend Eric Little, who most recently was playing drums and integrity and played bass in a bunch of bands I'd been in. But he asked me to join that band. And we opened for Fetus across Canada and the U.S.

At the end of that tour, they fired their drummer and hired me. You hear this crossover? Here we are. Yeah, yeah. Just the amount of band, the amount of hardcore bands you just listed. It all just makes more sense. Yeah. Bands growing up that got you into playing drums.

I would not say a band. I will say the instrument itself. Really? You just fascinated with it? Man, I turned on MTV as a kid and like those heavy metal drum sets with the two kick drums and all the stuff. And I was like, man, that looks so cool.

I want to do that. And I regret every minute of it when I have to set it up every day. I want to load and set that up. I don't. How many racktoms you got? Two, too many. Two, so four.

Four. Yeah. That's a lot. How many you got total? Well, not rackedoms. Tom's total. Oh, four Tom's total. Now, that's totally fine. Yeah, three rack, three up top, one on the bottom.

I know some motherfuckers who are, they don't need to be doing that. I know you're using all four of them, Tom's. You're familiar. You're on a first name basis with Tom. Tom. All four of them. Yeah. So drums got you into drums.

Yeah, pretty much. Pretty cool. If I'm going to say that there are drummers that I look up to or I, where I would say were formative in the might play style. I learned how to play drums playing to Helmut albums. Wow. We're just talking about them today. Great band, John Steiner, Steiner.

I never pronounced that guy's last name right. But learned how to formatively actually play the drums playing along to those albums, mainly Betty in meantime. And then getting into more heavy things as my musical progression happened, got into Fear Factory. that's when like, oh, precise double bass is cool. Yeah, there it is. And then I was also listening to bands like Sick of It All.

You're in the hardcore, yeah. I was decently enough. I wasn't like super deep, deep, deep into it. I would say probably my most underground hardcore band would be Sick of at all that I would have listened to as far as an OG band goes. How'd you discover them? Record store. Yeah, it's always like a shirt or...

They were all over MTVX. They were, yeah. In the underground, off of a scratch the surface. They had a video for that. And I remember seeing that on some video playing channel. And I was like, that's cool. Yeah. That looks hard.

They had great videos earlier. And let me tell you, them and AFI were playing round the clock on MTVX. Couldn't get away from it. Around what age would that have been? High school. So. You started playing drums in high school? Yes. I played bass before that.

Yeah, 13, 13. Yeah, that makes sense. Were you in touring bands a lot before dying fetus and Covenants? Is that what it was called? Covenants would be the first real touring band I was in. So I went Covenants Fetus. I was in a band called Severed Head. And then, which was a death metal band in Baltimore.

It's not really a not death metal band name. Great dudes. That guy I mentioned Eric Little was the bass player. in that project. And then I had a band that was a little bit more hardcore, but not in like that era of times hardcore, my old high school band called Tortured. Now when you listen to things like Vane,

I hear a lot of what, and I'm not saying that there's that like we were doing something that was way ahead of the time. But this a little bit more of a blending of not so much just the punk hardcore stuff, but elements of other style. of metal getting thrown in there with a little bit more double bass parts, a little bit more,

just a little bit, I've heard some of these younger bands, these younger hardcore bands coming out. I'm like, man, that's some stuff that, like, we were concepts we were messing around

with when I was in high school. And you can actually find this. If you go on YouTube and you type up Tortured 814, you can find a video of me and my old band playing. And maybe what I'm saying, you hear or not, but you can see a very short-haired,

very not as hairy as I am now, Trey, screaming and playing drums. Fuck yeah. Sick. Yeah. Would you say that the state of hardcore, particularly like, let's say FYA is more like metal and hard than ever?

The status quo is much more metallic than ever now. And I would say the musicianship is kind of at an all-time high. Yeah. There's some killers out there. Like New World Man is very good at their, at all of their instruments. We're one of the most seasoned veteran bands on this festival probably. And dying penis after us is going to be like,

well, shit. What's the point? Travel, you were telling us before we rolled, traveling to a festival like this with like a traveling hardcore, small scale fest rig, how difficult is that for you with how insane your drum kit setup is normally? What are the logistics? It's just like going to Europe.

Okay. Or any fly-in gig for me. Symbols, pedals, electronics, snare. So no extra times, no extra time, no sticks. No sticks? Yeah, I don't play with sticks anymore. Oh, that's awesome.

All hands. I'm just kidding. I bring sticks. I went to like a state fair and saw BTO. My stepmom was really into BTO. And whoever the drummer is for BTO played a 10 minute drum solo with just his hands. Was it Tommy Aldridge? Did you have big bushy hair?

Yeah. Yeah. Tommy Aldrich is known for that. Just hands. All hands. Yo, if anybody doesn't know about. Tommy Aldridge. Check him out, dude. He's an old school basher. Really? Yeah. Yeah. If it was like he had old man, kind of looked like he was a skeleton. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You're describing Doc Brown basically behind the drum set. But with big bushy hair. Yes, absolutely. You familiar with a fellow

named Omar Hakeem? I have his signature snare. I used his signature snare on a recording recently. I broke it about five times during this recording. The mahogany one? It's like, it's like translucent. It looks like an oil spill. Oh, that one. Cool. It's like the bow. one. I have the mahogany one. Is it dope? Yes. I popped the bottom snare and the bottom head probably five times. It was crazy. I don't think it's meant to be beaten. I don't understand

how that happens. Chris does that a lot. It's not our fault, right? How does the bottom head of a snare bring? It's not my fault. Is it a hardware thing touching it? It could be, it can also just be general maintenance. Yeah. If your snare wires.

Yeah. If your snare wires are getting a little to, if you had one snare pop, like one snare wire pop, and it'll leave a little burr, and that'll cut in there. And so maybe that or, you know, you cranked it up a couple times because you thought the bottom head needed a little extra and you just gave it that little I might have done that. And you know, you popped your banjo string, you know. I might have done that. Who's to say? I don't think it was my fault, really. Interesting. I didn't. So descent is your first record. How stressful was that recording process? Like you said, foot precision with double kick is that's your thing.

I have to imagine just recording drums for a dying fetus record in general. Descend and rain depending on the song took each song took me a day. Okay. Some of them I'd have to come back to another day.

We don't do one takes. We kind of... Actually, we did, we did with Descend, I would kind of do, I would do multiple takes. and then we would go back into the booth and listen and find the ones that were the most precise and then require the least amount of quantizing as editing yeah and then um and then pick those

uh in that process uh total honesty uh to the public out there i had nervous breakdown on descend and rain supreme. So, you know, I was, I'd never been under the microscope that hard. Oh, wow. And that level of playing, even though Covenants and Severed Head, the band I was in before that were death metal bands. This was a way big step up. I had to learn different foot techniques, doing double strokes. Is that like the heel, toe thing? Yes. Yes. What's the side to side one? That one's just swivel. Swivel's crazy. It's actually, dude, just honestly, next time you get behind a kit, just all of your leg weight on the pedal, put your beater against the head,

and then just start putting out a cigarette. Let's see here. Oh, really? Just start putting out a cigarette. And then just slightly let up off a little bit of weight, and you will find that it just starts going. Oh, wow. Cool.

Alan from Black Dolly Murder, would warm up for an hour, I think, before they played, just doing that. And it was like, that was the first time we toured with, like, a real kind of technical band like that. like, holy shit. He's a great player. He's a great player.

Sweet dude, too. Fun guy. Very nice guy. Something I want to emphasize is like it's got to be, drummers out there watching this, take comfort in Trey, one of the best drummers ever, telling you that he's having nervous breakdowns recording

because it's fucking hard. I don't know a drummer that hasn't had a nervous breakdown while recording. So I feel better hearing you say that. I'll be honest with you. You're doing full on like gnarly kick half the song a lot of the time. Double strokes. Is there a song in the set list where you're like, here we go.

Like, this is the hard one. What's your cannibal? In the roster of songs we do now on a consistent basis. Maybe womb to waste or subjected to a beating, the end of subjected. Those two. If there were songs that we don't play as often now would be Shepherd's Commandment off of descendant

to depravity. Any vetoes? Any like, can't play that? Won't do it. Um, wound the waste being one of the answers

is, yeah, that's fast. It picks up at a point. It kind of starts fast, and at the end, it kind of, like,

gets a little easier to play. Did you guys ever have a PlayStation 1? Yeah. You know what I missed when PlayStation, like, got new generations,

is the CD emulator, the visualizer. Oh, I love. Visualizer dude like the thing every time you put in one yeah yeah was beautiful that was so cool I don't know why they got rid of that it's just yeah it just loads the logo now and then it's the home screen yeah yeah if you play in music I missed that I wish they would which they would have kept exactly iTunes is still do that yeah Windows media player win amp dude I found

Windows media player didn't match the song it was just it was just stuff they fucked me Betray. All right. So now that we're talking Rain Supreme, that's straight up like 40% a hardcore record. That's not a bad descriptor, no.

Tell me a little bit about writing Rain Supreme. I mean, in general, is it John coming with riffs and saying, Treb, what do you think about doing something like this? Well, the first two albums I was a part of, it was more of like I was given a homework assignment. Okay.

John would in the past work with a guy named Darren Morris, who is the lead guitar player for Misery Index. At that time, he was not in Misery Index. I would have said at that time, he was the best kept secret in Maryland as far as like shredders go and like, and just cool dudes. He was a roommate of mine. He lived with me for a while. But John would go and hang out with Darren and write music. and John was dealing with some stuff at that point in his life that he needed to sober up for. This was set on a previous podcast, so I don't feel like I can't not say it.

But, you know, he was so he was like super hyper-focused about, you know, writing some music. And yeah, man, he just put together some seriously focused stuff. And yeah, he was just sequestered with Darren. Wow, wow. Big time. I mean, Rain Supreme, as far as like, dynamics. You guys aren't doing clean vocals. You're not doing big, you know, bridge, break, melodic sections with orchestras and shit, but you still find a way throughout records to make like,

okay, this is the song where this happens. This is, this is this song. Like, it seems like there's like a defined goal with each track. Putting together a whole record, is that kind of the idea? Or is it more just like, all right, let's just write some songs? Not so much. much that methodology, I think what you would see us do more. And I can better elaborate on when I did pre-production for an album, that was wrong one to fuck with. So I did all the pre-pro for that with John. So me and John locked ourselves in our bandroom, and we put an album together. And we would just kind of put songs together. We just kind of what feels right coming together. We would start with an open riff and kind of see where it went. We did sometimes.

We would do things where we'd take the format of another song and use that. Of yours or another bands? Both. Yes. There we go. And I've had conversations with John about like, hey, you'll never believe what riff this, what I ripped off to get here. And it sounds nothing like it. But then you hear it and you go, wow, that's insane. Interesting. You know, we can, you know, I mean, we're not, plagiarizing. No, you know, but like, using at least like the verse chorus structure. Yeah.

To kind of give yourself a flow. Yeah. And then it's going to change, but like it's a good starting point. Absolutely. To go. But, Max Cavalera says everything comes from somewhere.

Of course. So I think about that every time. Just like. I mean, and also like who, what band doesn't have like, okay, let's,

let's run it again. Start with the X band. Start with the Sepaltura part. Right. There, there's a part on wrong one to, fuck with the end of the song wrong one to fuck with uh the closing riff i would call it the morbid ball riff morbid angel madball yeah that's incredible so like that

when it turner and turner turner dr run dun dun dun dun like i was like that's morbid angel and madball to me so like i in in in our recording session when you highlight that section if you looked at our morbid ball all caps yeah wow That's fucking incredible. That's pretty good. What is the most out-of-the-box musical? Like, let's say John's like, dude, I got this riff. I took it from this insane thing.

I mean, maybe probably playing like a ghetto boys album or something. Cool. Like, he used to do that in the past. I think he would agree with that. I don't want to speak for him. Of course, of course. Of course. But, you know, inspiration comes from lots of places.

It really does. It doesn't always come from the metal box. Yeah. And it can't. Speaking to that, I'm just realizing how wild it is that a band that was already existing that's polling. influences from such a place found a drummer who could fit

who was also pulling influences from such a place. Dude, it's so hard to find. How is that possible? And they found the guy, because you've played on more records than any other drummer and dying fetus, I believe? At this point now, yes. Is it four? It's four now. Four point five with an EP. Take that. And actually on that EP,

history repeats is the name of that one. We were going to do a blood for blood cover. Yes. I think, do they do they do paper gangster? Yeah. Yeah. We were going to do paper gangster. That's awesome.

We were, it was. Yeah, it was one of, it was one of the top runners. And then we, we made an audible at the end. Judgment Day is on, which you're going to help us with that tonight, right? I am. Oh, spoiler for me, but you guys are going to be too late. That's amazing. You know, we, no, that's off of killing on adrenaline.

Okay. Right. And then the next step up cover, which is bringing back the glory, is off of the grotesque impalement EP. You guys ever play that? We're playing it tonight. Both? Yep. Jesus Christ.

We're bringing the hardcore tonight. Dude, that's incredible. We didn't know what to do. We were like, should we just come with the full hardcore set? Yeah. Or should we, do we give them dying fetus? Or do we give them their version of dying fetus? Like what they think, believe.

Well, no, no. Just like the dying fetus they can swallow. Yeah, right. Right. You know, we don't, we, we didn't want people to be. People here want to spin kick and kill each other. Yeah. So we're bringing, we're bringing all of those songs.

Oh, shit. We're bringing all, all the ones with the, with the caveman breakdowns. And you know, if you ever need advice on a set for a hardcore fest, you can call you, you almost. I was about, I was about to give you, and go and say, give me two suggestions. Yeah. What's funny is, when, We've been talking about your set happening for months since this got. I started listening to the podcast when you told us about the nomination.

And so I looked back and thank you guys. Yeah, of course. And what's funny is even privately when we were talking, I would be like, do you think they know? Like, do they know? Do you think they're gonna cater to the crowd, as you were saying or not? And Colin was like, they know.

100%. They know. And that speaks to how important. important it is to stay aware and to play shit like this and see what kids like. I keep bringing up death threat because there was literally a time where John, John was like, I think he was showing me something from wrong one to fuck with had, was about to come out when we did that tour together.

Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. I think it was out. It might have just come out. They had the screams. And he was showing me something. It was like a crazy technical notey stuff.

And he was like, yeah, I got that from death. I basically just like played the riff twice as fast and did it all like an octave up. And it was like, that's the cool. That's what I want to hear. As if I was listening to the show. Yeah.

That's just the comfort of like knowing that's what dying fetus is. It's death threat played sped up and octave up. And then an octave down from the original one. So in terms of hardcore stuff, John, John legendarily had just a 25 to life sticker on his guitar when dying fetus was in its early stages. Are there hardcore bands that he's gotten you into? Maybe Stout. Fuck, yeah. There are people who just now in their car just went, oh, shit.

Rick to Life. 25 to Life. Yeah. Cold is life. Yeah. It's a great answer. Detroit stuff, right? Yeah, that's cold as life.

Yeah, some of those, I guess those are the ones at the front of the memory. And it makes sense. Yeah. you know, what we would call beat down riffs. Yeah, that's just right there. But it's just, you know. And I hope, you know, I'm excited for you to see tonight the army of band members that you guys have, like, created through existing. Like, never ending game, Trapping Dries, Brite Iron, Doaching Tongs.

We're all just doing fetus secretly. You know, we're doing what fetus is doing with death threat. We're playing an octave down, slowed down. Way down. played differently. Single kick. The sons of fetus are truly among us.

The fetus has grown up. We're not babies anymore. We're not fetuses now. You guys got 401Ks. We got them. We got them. We're working on it. It's running out.

Health insurance, man. You've got to get off your parents' plan. Exactly. It's been seven years. That's dead fetus. If you don't get off that thing. Where did wrong one two fuck with come from? I think John came to us with it.

Somehow. I think externally from the band. Yeah. Or I can't. I think asked John because he knows, he knows better. I just knew that, man, I hope this album has received really well. Because this album title is definitely either going to be the thing that is going to skyrocket it up or it's going to be like, yeah, it is the wrong album to fuck it. That's the, every reviewer was dying to use that one.

Right. And then they heard it. And then fortunately, it was well received. And then you got nine out of ten, right one to fuck with. That was the headline instead. I think one of the online outlets said unfuckwithable. Very nice. Good job.

It's an incredible record. It's an incredible record. Wow. Yeah, that's one of the greatest album titles of all time. I can tell you the God's take group chat that day was devastated. Because it was like, well, now we can't have that. We didn't think of that. Why wouldn't?

That's on us. Yeah. And then you got Thaddeus as, is he your entire. entire merch department. You know, we miss him. Is he gone? He's, he's,

you know, as it should be. Yeah. He has grown as a, in the industry and now is on to, we can't afford him.

Kendrick Lamar or some shit. I can't, we can't afford him anymore. And that is not any dig against him. We are super proud and happy for Thadius. Thadius, if you see this, we miss you and love you and good luck out there.

That's beautiful. Beautiful. Thadius is a, a is a is a is a corman like ourselves we met him on tour years ago years ago best smile in the game gorgeous smile he's looking fit sexy now big drinking water while he was touring with you guys did he design all the stuff that you did too there was a point in time when he was still working for us and then not working for us where he did curate and did do design yes good word yeah he did curate and design a good portion of our merch i think towards the around the the the the

wrong one to fuck with album coming out era and stuff like that. When we had a lot more like single color print shirts, um, old school, you know, she kept it nice and cheap. Yeah. Yeah.

But hard as fuck. Hard as fuck. Hard as fuck. The basketball jersey, the wrong one two. Yeah. And then the fucking, the scrims.

The scrims were unbelievable. They were pretty cool. I loved it. Caught my eye. We had ones that said, wrong one and then on the bottom to fuck with on both sides. So, so people would just see wrong.

Wrong one. Wrong one. So then we had to get one simple, just wrong one and then to fuck with. Yeah. That's, I would never think of that. You're still running with wrong one to fuck with, right? That's,

I feel like that's the band's motto at this point. It's our closer tonight. There you go. That's a good answer. For three weeks ago. Yeah. Whenever we see this. It's kind of like be harder.

Yeah. Like be harder. That's the ethos. You are the wrong ones. Yeah. That's nice. I mean, that's what we tell the crowd.

Good. You know, it's one thing. You guys have shown us. Y'all are wrong ones to fuck with. Tell me a little bit about make them beg for death, putting that together.

It was a long rollout. Yes. One year. Yeah. I saw that cover. Let's actually say it's six years of rollout. Six years of rollout. How did that happen?

Well, this cool social experiment we all took a part of called COVID and locking ourselves down happened. And so we all kind of just took some time apart. I think, we kind of needed it as a group live our own lives for a little while and get out of each other's hair

and then we came back together and finished it up once things, okay guys, it's time to, let's not sit on this another time. We didn't intend on having another five-year break like we did between Rain Supreme and Wrong One. Oh, it was that long. Yeah, it was five years between Rain Supreme and Wrong One. There was just so much demanding wrong ones touring cycle that we

just didn't have time. Rain Supreme as well, right? That's what I meant. That's what I mean. I got you. That was, Rain Supreme was like a re-breakout. It was the modern breakout album. Yeah.

A lot of people do say that. Yeah. And then wrong one did that again. Yeah. I think it just, you know, it just kept us. That's nice, slow up. Yeah.

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Hell of a lineup. Quite a lineup. Yep. Back to the episode. Harmsway did the same thing with COVID, where it was like, we took, it took four years, pretty much, from when COVID started to when the record came out was the end of this past year. So it was pretty much the whole thing. And we did a similar thing where it's like, we don't know how long this is going to be. Let's write passively and kind of chill. And then you kind of go,

oh, shit, we should have put something out. Right. Right. We got to get on the road. Yeah, we have nothing. We got to go. But the thing is, the actual rollout of the record was one year.

Thank you, vinyl. Taylor Swift and Adele. Adele fucked us. You know what else fucked us. This is something, this is some inside info. one of the things that started the vinyl delay was the Cardi B. Was it Meg the Stallion and Cardi B? Do a Wop?

Wet-Ass Pussy. Yeah. Wet-ass Pussy pre-ordered 60,000 copies. God. 60,000 wet-ass pussy singles were sold. Were they colored vinyl? Probably. Probably.

But 60,000 records to, wet-ass pussy records to print is a lot. So it delayed the whole industry. And then Adele did another million. You can buy that at fucking Rite Aid. I heard that bargain bin. Adels had like 12 or 13 colorways. It's too many. You don't need that many.

I'm a big fan. I love Hello. I love Skyfall. Congrats on the Academy Award. But you don't need that many. Dyingfied took the role. It took a year because of you. A year.

We might have released it without the vinyl. And then just had the vinals on pre-order. But you know how the biz works. It's like if you want those good first week numbers. You got to have it all come out at the same time. And it was unfortunate. But I think it kind of worked out. I think it worked out.

And I'll tell you, I'll tell you one thing, one reason I know it worked out. Because wrong one to fuck with still was pushing. Still has had like a whole second wind. Because there's that fucking kid, the kid on TikTok, I need you to tell me all about this. Oh, that kid Kevin. Tell me about Kevin. I don't know about this. Dude.

That was totally another guy's channel. Yeah. Who was just like going out and talking to people. It was like a, what are you listening to right now? Oh, okay. And he said dying fetus. And the internet. became obsessed with the, like the idea of dying fetus.

Really? Yeah. So then they brought the kid to a dying fetus show. Yeah. So they, I can't remember. I think our management reached out to not the, the Kevin guy.

I think his name was Kevin. I'm sorry if I'm forgetting your name, but this Kevin fella. User 29, 484. But I don't even think that guy was on TikTok. It was this other guy's channel who's like, Hey, what are you listening to? Oh, I got you.

So we asked, hey, what are you listening to? The man on the street. Yeah. We were like, hey, look, we'd like to invite you both to the show. So at the Gramercy in New York, we brought them in and brought them on stage and they spazzed out. Yeah. Yeah. It was cool.

It was nice to meet. You know, it was neat. Beautiful story. It's an interesting time, man, when certain things like that, which I tell the story about when Andy and I were at that square the other day in New York and that dude asked us. And you said no, like an asshole. I said no. Do tell. I want to know the story. Can I know? Who's the guy you would know it better than me?

I don't know their names. Yeah, but you knew, you know how it goes. Where it's like, what do you listen to? No, they come to you and say, are you a musician? Yeah. They ask like 10 people of their musician, and then everybody says no. Once somebody says yes, they like shout out their music. And a million people see these things.

My band was putting out a record. I didn't know who that guy was. I thought it was just somebody bothering us. He says no. And I was like, no, thanks. And then like five minutes later, and he was like, I think that guy has like a following. Yeah.

Yeah, you blew it. So I blew with that. Sorry, guys. You could have been in, you could have just said dying fetus. I could have just, I didn't even know about it. That would have been the nicer thing to do.

It would have, I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. Hey, it was your band that you could have gotten. You want yourself, not dying of us. I appreciate this,

the sympathy. Of course. So make them beg for death. Yes. This is your fourth record with the band. Yeah. What was, what was different going into this one?

After Rain Supreme, after wrong one to fuck with, you guys are, you've established, that you're the hardest band ever. Many are saying this, that you're the hardest fan ever. Is that the goal again with this one?

Well, we can't get softer. We just got to pop another Viagra and get harder, dude. You know? Man, if God say it ever did a collab. Viagra harder? Yeah. Be harder. I guess the thing that I would say is different is just,

if you compare it to the one at before it, wrong one, rendered down version of the progression that you've seen from descend all the way into now. So we're rendering. We're getting to a molasses consistency. We're getting that fat out of there, you know, cutting the fat, you know. We're just getting down the lean, the lean, you know. Yeah.

Getting away from needless riffage, you know, and, you know. Nootling, if you will. Mindless grinding. Yeah. Yeah. Essentially, yes. We went, not really keto, but yeah, I guess you could say if you wanted to call it a musical diet. Yeah, we just rendered it down and just really focused on writing like a song that's memorable from front to back.

Not like we weren't doing it before, but it was a much more concerted effort to just do that. Like, does it need to be a five-minute song? Love that. That's like the modern audience's grief with death metal, I think. It's just that like a lot of the classic best death metal bands of all time, sometimes they don't know how to end that song. But Dying Fetus really has like an awareness in terms of just when to, when to end it and how to end it because you guys understand payoff.

You pay the song off. Like the part we chose for Best Breakdown. And thank you. That transition. By God. Were those chugs along with the kicks written in? Or was that a thing where they were like, Trey, I like that.

I'm going to chug along with it. I think that I just wrote those in. Yeah. Because I think that those just felt right there. I can't recall if they actually go, they chug along with that. Because there's the ones in the middle that don't chug along. And then there's the ones that do chug along.

I think I just thought that they needed to keep going. My man. That's, yeah. That's a Treyism. There you go. You play to a click? Recording live. Recording yes, live no.

Ah, interesting. A real man. We do. We do play with ears, but no backing tracks, no clicks. It's all raw. I count in, and then we go. Amazing. You love a snare count in.

You really do. They're kind of cool. I do like an alternate, like hat count in. I like a counten. I like a count in. One, two, three, four, let's go. That works. Something about a snare counten into blasts is really satisfying.

Yeah. But, but, but, but, but. It's just a slow blast. It's just a slow blast. You're right. That's great. Yeah, we dabble with the idea of going on click. We just, my band just got done with a tour in November.

And it was our first tour where only our drummer played to a click. But we do have like textures and pads and stuff playing to a track. So it made everything easier. Because you just put those on the click. They're just on the click. So no one has to trigger them. So that's nice. Right, right.

If we had, um, a track that we needed to play. Yeah. We would probably have to. do that. Yeah. But we don't. It's just three guys and too many drums and a bass player, a bass player and a guitar player who are some of the best players I've ever been able to play with in my life.

I have so much confidence that the two guys in front of me. They, for the most part, match everything, right? Basing guitar playing the same shit. He's doing every single one of them. That's all there. Leel, little, I don't know how. Crazy. While saying.

Yeah. If they ain't seen it, they're going to see it tonight. We've been talking about this earlier that like there's a dying fetus cadence. Yes. This is one of my favorite concepts is like a lot of bands have a signature like a rhythm, a pattern. Which I would say the dying fetus one is like a yeah. Dend to Dan, da, da, da, da, da. And then into double kick scan version.

Meanwhile, John is doing one syllable per kick. Yeah. Do you ever play a double kick part that's really fast and think, I wish this wasn't so fast. I shouldn't have done double kick here. Oh, yeah. Okay.

For about an hour every night. Oh, it's so cool to hear. It's not cool to do. But I do it anyway. But it's to the point where like I feel like if I went to practice with the riff and I did like a gung-ca-g-g-a-d-gang-a-gang-gank-gank-gank-gun-g- Yeah, they would be like, that's a dying fetus part. Then John has done his job well. I would say so. Thank you. Marauder part is like a trem.

Yeah, dig-digg-digg-digg-digg-d-d-c. Kind of a thing. The gongtay part is a marauder part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, yeah. Yeah, now it is.

Do you have, you can think about this. A number one dying fetus breakdown of all time? I think it's intentional manslaughter. There's the cadence. Yeah, I think it's that. I love that. I think it's that one. Yeah, I think it's intentional manslaughter.

He's just like us, for real. You have to warm up them feet? Not so much anymore. My hands, my hands. My hands. My hands. My hands need it. I never do that and then I'm going and then I'm start playing and I go my wrist

hurt I should have to now my forearms lock up your forearms lock up I've started to to develop some carpal tunnels yeah it's super cool it's really great it's fun dude how old you if you don't let me ask me I turned 45 yesterday congrats oh happy birthday I would not you're looking for you want to go out to dinner in a movie 100% I would have said 37 yeah yeah you're doing great man you know I know how you're saying yeah tequila Kila and paintball. Yes, sir.

You love paintball. Love it. I haven't played since March, dude. I'm so pissed. Let's talk paintball. I know. Yeah. Let's go.

What's your favorite paintball? My favorite ball? Yeah, dude. I don't know anything about the sport. Please tell us. So, you know, five stars is great because that's tournament grade paint. Sure. You know, but evil, ultra evil is really good too.

Yeah. But if you're playing. Woods ball. Some marvellizers are probably going to be better for you. Um, you know, some of it's bigger bore than others. Um, yeah, I'm a nerd folks. Yeah. I even built my own paintball guns back in the day. Yeah, I have a half block auto cocker. I know that sounds, yeah, that sounds like a guy who's song. Um, half block auto cocker goes, kick a good. I'll show you a picture of my cocker if you want to see it. I'll, I'll edit it in. Here it is. Can you believe it? That was incredible auto.

Cocker. That's that's that's that's the guy right there. Now what does he do that so when you shoot it shoots lasers of paintballs. Really? So it just it goes as fast as you can pull the trigger and it has full auto. So you have a tactical to do the double thing. Yeah. I had a friend growing up who was super into it and he would build stuff and he would he explained you do one two to do as fast as you can go and it not only does tray play paintball when we toured together most times most hours of the day. He was in the green room playing. digital paintball on the computer. Yeah, I was. I remember that, yeah. What you? They got Call of Duty for Paintball? Yeah, yeah, paintball.

They got, yeah. That's how you know you're extra nerdy. Yeah. Is it like Tony Hawk where they have real recreations of real? There I am playing at an event. Here it is. There it is. That's Trey playing an event.

Do you have like a team? A fraternity? So I used to play tournament ball back in 2005. Wow. And four. That's so funny. And so I used to. My friend was playing too.

That's so fun. I used to play X ball. Um, five man X ball. I did the national circuit. We made it to Sunday at World Cup, um, one year. That's incredible. They got paint grenades. Yes.

No way. Yes. But really. They're not. Is it a faux paw? No, they're just not really effective. Okay. You might as,

but it's not frowned upon. But in a tournament. Did you use it? Not in a like, uh, like a, in a major tournament. Yeah. Um, in a Woods ball or scenario game. Yes.

So you can catch some paint shrapnel and that counts. You're dead. Yes. If you get hit with at least a quarter-sized mark of paint on you, you're dead. Oh. I'd be grenade man, dude. But I'm telling you, they're really not effective. Yeah.

Other medics? They might not even pop. Depending on the scenario game you're playing. So I don't. They just wipe paint off you? In a way, yes. Yeah. So there's scenario games where,

it's instead of like the tournament where it's like five on five and you're on like this airball inflated field. Yeah, the inflated things. You're in, you're on like an entire woodsball property that's like 100 acres. Wow. And it's 300 people versus 300 people. Dude, that sounds awesome. Sounds incredible. That's a real war. It's just like war. Yeah, it's a battle. You know, um, body snatcher, their, they're, they're singer. He's a, he's a ballman? Yeah. And, uh, and their bass player is too. Ballman? They, they're, they be balling. Big ballers. They're ballmen.

Wow, dude. Wow. Is it expensive? Can be. Can be. Paint's like the most expensive part, right? Just getting geared up with effective stuff. Yeah.

But the initial gearing up. Essentially, it's about as expensive as like getting into golf. Oh. Okay. You know. Which is like big initial investment. But once you're going, you're kind of going. Yeah, you're just paying your admission fees and things like that.

And paying for balls or paint. Right. Right. Right. Interesting. But, so like the big games is like 300 on 300. It's one, it's a two-day, long game that does not stop. What?

Yeah, except for like at night. But there are 24-hour games. There's actually 24-hour game that happens, I think, near here. You going? I'd like to. You don't have your double-cock. Schedule permitting. Dying fetus is a pretty busy band now.

You really are, dude. And so I play with a team called the Timber Ghosts. Damn, Timber Ghosts. Shout out that. You got merch? It's my favorite team. We got jerseys. I got a jersey.

I don't know if we have merch. You got Excel? You got X-L? Out of my personal stuff? I want it. You want one? I want the timber ghosts. Timber ghosts.

I want to be lay stuff and some shit nobody got. Hang out with the ghosts with the most. That's what I want. But yeah, I roll a role with these dudes. It's a mixed bag of people. Everything from like somebody from West Baltimore to Hicks from East Western Maryland to Virginia boys and Pennsylvania boys. And we've got some people scattered around the East Coast.

There's about, like 70 of us now. Wow. And we roll into events. And we're, we're a formidable force. That's all good. And we rage afterwards. Yeah. And that's the,

mainly these outdoor events are mainly party sessions. So we go and get wasted at night and then the next day go and just like, oh, shoot each up with an insane hangar. Let me ask you this. Yeah. Anybody ever get a wicked hammered and just eat one of the paintballs? Eat like, ow.

Yeah, just like, dude, check it out. Like a cherry. suck it back like a tied pod that's like not never not happening oh like like does it dissolve you mean you've already been eating paint that day because you probably got hit in the face so you're you've developed the taste for it yeah yeah and it's not an impressive thing it's like unless you're like just new to the sport somebody's like like you and your buddies had just gone to the paintball field for the first time ever and you're like eat a ball dude everybody does it you know after you've been playing for as long as I have which is like over 20 years now right like oh

Cool. Yeah, that's what it tastes like. It's good for your skin. Where's the worst place to get shot? The balls. Balls. You're not cupped up out there? I wear a little loincloth thing now. I was at one of these, I was at one of these big events. I'd be on all. And I was like, that doorway looks open. Oh, boop, boop, boop. And you know, that feeling of it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Up in here. Kind of crouch. I go into the bathroom and I'm like, please don't pee blood. Please don't pee blood. Did you people let? No.

All right. We're good. Is there a, is there a, ooh, I got to, I'll got to show you a picture of my toe, too. Is there a minimum, like, muzzle velocity? Yeah, 300, under 300 feet per second. Under 300. Under 300.

It does, now, isn't it lower, it hurts more as opposed to higher because higher it, like, almost. Just evaporates. If the ball bounces off of you, that hurts. That hurts more. That's like right. So lower velocity, I would imagine. Could possibly hurt more. You ever get into Airsoft?

dumb. Is that like the rollerbladers to skateboarder kind of thing? Yeah. Well, I shouldn't say that. Airsoft, because I rollerbladed and I skateboarded. Yeah, but Airsoft is just like, look, this looks just like a gun. Can you believe it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can appreciate like the method of operation aspect of Airsoft. Should we turn the lights on? Yeah. I do respect aspects of it because the similar crossover aspects of it. Yeah. I just don't like the whole honor system part of it. Yeah. Even though in paintball.

there's a lot of cheating too. You can wipe your hits off of you. And when I was playing tournament ball, I would just tell people I don't wipe. I only wipe when I poop. That's that classic. I'll just play on with your hits on me. Only wipe on the poop.

Let's wind it down with some kind of basic questions we like to ask. Yes. Yeah. All of our guests. One of them is, who do you do? Oh,

which a really good question. Really good question for Trey. I'm very curious. Which that means in terms of like musicians. Like when I'm singing, I'm doing Pete Steele and I'm doing the guy from Only Living Witness.

He's doing head field and he's doing Foursel. Just guys that or gals we've been influenced by that we've subconsciously taken their tricks and their moves. When I'm doing vocals? No, when you're playing drums.

Oh, oh, drums. Dave Whitty? Fuck yeah. More of when he was in human remains. Municipal waste is what he's in now. But human remains. You heard that album? Oh, yeah.

Using sickness as a hero? Oh, yeah. That blew my brain. And that's some of the best example of like hard-ass shit. Really? But they weren't even like death metal. They were something different. Some kind of weird grind experimental thing going on.

But that I won't deny. I took a lot from Kevin Talley, former fetus drummer. That's just keeping the spirit, you know. I mean, I was influenced by him anyway. And that's Taylor Young's answer to who do you do is Kevin Talley. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I love that.

And then anybody else? Maybe like some of the, like the groovy stuff, John from, from Helmut. Of course. You, I can ask him this and he'll have it. Me as a non-drummer might take me a second. Do you have a favorite drum fill? Just like first thing that comes to mind. Pat Boone, Betty Boone.

There we go. Pat boom, Betty Boone. Bat Gat get to. Yeah. Like in a song. So like the off the wall. What is it? rock with you.

Intro-intro-tuk. Rack-dak-dak-d-d-k-d-k-a-d-k-k-a-k. That's probably my favorite Phil of all the time. I knew that's what he was going to say. Is there an established Phil? Phil from some old song that you hear and you go, that's like your warm-up fill. I don't think I have one.

Wow. You got to get into it. You know, no doubt, Spiderwebs. You know that one? Oh, like that reggae, the reggae, timbalee hit at the end. How good is that? That's a great one.

That's a great one. Or, was it two princes? Oh, dude. Come on. I can't even say it, right. The ghost notes in the drum part are... It's a good, good opening, like, to start a song. Eat food?

No. You don't. You're off? I absorb sunlight through my asshole. That's awesome. So what's your favorite place to get sunlight? Yeah. My asshole.

When dying fetus is on tour. Yeah. I want to know the place that dying fetus as a band, You're flying that. This is a question we ask everybody. Everybody. You're flying down the highway. You're all starving.

You see the sign that's got everything on it to pull off. What's the thing? It doesn't matter where it is. The place where the whole band is like, yo, they got this pull off right now. We used to be a Denny's band. Really? First, I think. Well, Zuma.

Zoom. You and Cruelty. Cruelty is going to be so happy to hear that. Zoom is going to love that. Show that to the band. The world. That is a Denny's dying fetus. Tourland.

All Access Pass. What do you get at Denny's? If you want to get in and out quick, Superbird. What's the Superbird? Turkey. Turkey Club. Just toast. I love turkey clubs. So Superbird, if you want to get in and out fast, Moons over my hammies great.

Sure, of course. But, you know, I was being a real slob for a while and I was getting a country fried steak. I love a country fried steak. Wow. But nowadays, nowadays everybody kind of wants to eat a little bit healthier. So, you know, it's going to be probably. a healthier option if we can do it. Chipotle or something? Yeah.

Yeah, something like that. Oh, like a different place. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the answer. But we've also been doing bandwagons and stuff now basically so we can travel in our own with our own food. So you do that over like a fast food.

Generally now. But, you know, when we were when we were like truck stopping and staff man, a petro, an iron skillet. Oh, dude, iron skillet. It's been a minute. I've had one. All right. Question for you guys.

Yes. hierarchy. Loves. T.A. Flying J. Loves flying J. pilot. Pilots the fourth.

I would go loves pilot flying J. T.A. is the worst. Yeah. I used to think it was the best. Let's see what. Let's see.

Oh, I'm a loves guy all the way. All the way. I used to be like a flying J pilot guy. Yeah. And then on the last couple runs, I've switched to a loves. Yeah.

Welcome. T.A. Not T.A. I used to think T.A.'s were the best. Yeah. Same. I think the West. Coast ones are better. Maybe.

That big truck stop one in Iowa, Iowa 80, that big one is a TA technically. I think that's why I always thought that. But yeah, it would be pilot flying J is kind of interchangeable because I think you can pull into different ones and you're like shot, not shot. Yeah. And then. Lovs is king.

Loves is unbelievable. They're enjoyers of the show, so they'll be excited to see that. Are you are you a Buckees guy? You get in on the hype? What's Buckees? There we go. No, I know it. Oh, okay. Okay, okay.

Of course, man. It's like it's the national touring symbol for I've been on the road. Yeah, it literally is. You tour? See, there we go. Wawa was that for a while. It was. I couldn't wait to start touring because all these old fuckers were telling me about

Wawa. And it's pretty good. I like it a lot. We had a bad one either night. I think I heard when you were doing the Japanese band. Cruelty. Those guys, when you were talking about their favorite places to have eaten, particularly like garbage American food.

Um, did you mention royal farms? No. Somebody liked royal farms there. Yeah. On the, after you do it. That's more of a Maryland. That's more of a Maryland specific one. Something really important I got to ask you about.

This is something I ask everybody. Something I'm passionate about. I am too just in a different way. You believe in ghosts? I believe that there are things that are outside of our perception. And if we cannot see them or perceive them, we can't deny their existence or lack of existence. That's my,

Now, have I ever felt a weird thing? Yeah. Or, like, rushed up the stairs from a dark basement, a little bit swifter because I didn't want the alien from aliens to get me. You've gotten the CBGBs before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I don't, I don't know. I've definitely been like, ugh. Yeah. You know, but was I able to quantify it to something and actually say I saw something? No, like, I haven't. According to the internet, there were eight foot tall aliens in Miami last. night.

No shit. Yeah, there's like videos of people panicking and running. I watched some debunking stuff last night, but, you know. Yeah, that who, how, I also saw people in Miami say my internet's been out all day and that's never happened to me. Jury's out. Eight to ten foot tall shadow. So this is a historic day that we're talking to you, Trey.

This is like aliens are for sure here. January 6th, a historic day for no other reason. Happy January 6th to everybody watching. You're from Baltimore? From Maryland. From Maryland. recently moved to Baltimore. So now,

Tigidae can be a Baltimore. Yeah, there you go. I would say, out of all of them, Maryland sounds the most haunted. It's not as merry as it sounds. No, it sounds old and scurry. Maryland.

Any of those northeastern, and I think your family's originally from the Northeast, any of the Northeast original colony which areas are, there's a lot, you know, there's a lot of weird stuff.

A lot of killing happened. A lot of killing. You know, we were like, this is our stuff. Yeah. Get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and, uh, you know, um, and then civil war, you know, things like that that happened. You know, you can go up to, uh, Gettysburg and go on ghost tours up in Gettysburg and Maryland. Been there. Been to bull run. I like war. I like battlefields. I love war. I've been a few of those. And, and, and, but the thing is, it's almost like with my dad in the sun. Yeah. So it's in the middle of the day. It's not very scary, you know. I should do a ghost one. That would be fun. We've done it. I mean. We've been at the largest military base in the United States during World War I.

Yeah, it was in Louisville. You don't want to go there, haunted pool. Watch the episode. Hot Lord, episode three. Trey, is there any closing remarks you would have for the people? Things they want to take with them and want to remember about you and dying fetus. Well, I will just say that dying fetus is really grateful to any and all of our fans or newcomers to the scene.

if you've discovered us through hard lore, and you've enjoyed it. And even if you haven't, we appreciate your time and any moment that you've given us. And we would encourage you to, if you don't like it, give us a second listen. Maybe you'll hear something you do like. It's not going to be every moment hardcore.

No. But we thank any and all of you for just giving us a shot. And the people that have kept coming are repeat offenders. Keep repeating. Keep offending. Thanks, guys. Trey, thank you so much for being here. Colin, Bo, thank you very much for having me on your T-shirt review podcast.

Anytime we love shirts, my favorite one is probably... Damn, my favorite shirt. You know what I just got back is that gray obituary shirt. Yeah, that's right, yeah. The first whole first year of switching songs, I wore this gray obituary shirt as my gig shirt, every time, just got it back. Beautiful. Huge news.

So, thanks. That's my favorite shirt. Which favorite shirt? I have an original white End Justice for All shirt. The one that Lars wears in the one video with the, Four faces and then the four records on the back. That was a great shirt. I love that shirt.

What do you think of Lars? I respect Lars. Gotta respect Lars. And justice for Lars. It's easy to hate on him. Yeah. But he was right. Did you do it?

No. And he was such a big part of the sauce that you can't deny him. Absolutely, dude. So we say injustice for Lars. Trey says injustice for Lars. Thank you so much, Trey, for joining us. Thank you all for watching. Have a great day.

Bye. Bye.