HardLore - Vinnie Stigma (Agnostic Front)

Starting point is 00:00:00 Jamie and the Hapery guys are the only ones who did anything for Ignostic Front. A lot of bands that tell me like, yeah, Vinnie take Ignostic Front on tour. Tolkien, you better fucking walk it. Jamie's the only one that ever did anything. No other band took us on tour. Another band repaid me, but no bands ever took me on tour. Personally, I think they don't want us to steal their thunder. So anyway, that says to Mabel.

Starting point is 00:00:28 Oh, actually, it's hard for our time. Oh, of course. We're in New York, New York. The city's from nice. They named it twice. Two times. What should we do? You know, I'd really like to learn more about this city and New York Harko in general.

Starting point is 00:00:43 If only, there was some kind of guy to show us around. They're fully shit out. They're trying to sell your move. Oh, my God. Hey. I was doing it. And all Mike dumped and ready to go? Dan Sili from King Nile and the legendary Venice thing.

Starting point is 00:01:02 The Godfather of New York Army. Wow. I can't know. How have been? Oh, so good. Man, I'm seeing you to many there. It's been minutes. Yeah, minutes.

Starting point is 00:01:10 Vinny. She's been a lot of minutes. So he's two. Maybe three. Do you think so? I could be. Oh, man, I'm believable. That's a lot of minutes.

Starting point is 00:01:19 Vinny, we would be honored if you would show us around your neighborhood. You want to come on and go take you to the neighborhood. Here, let me lock my house. Locked all. Locked up. All right. Follow me. Let's go.

Starting point is 00:01:33 Follow me. You're going to take the picture of the thing over there. All right, Vinnie. Tell us about where we are. All right. Welcome to St. Patrick's Church on my street. This is the original St. Patrick's Cathedral. I got baptized in this church, my grandfather, my father got baptized in this church.

Starting point is 00:02:07 This is the church that the gangs of New York when they burnt down. This is the church they burnt down. As a matter of fact, the saint behind me right here is called San Maraco. San Rocco was a saint of the legs. Like, you know, and he was born in Genoa, and he was a peasant that helped people and everything. He's a saint. And his birthday's on August 16th,

Starting point is 00:02:30 and I prayed to him all the time. A dog used to take him bread, and he used to drink water from the seashells. This is my saint that I, as a matter of fact, I, when the old lady had it, because they were rich from Genoa, and they have a window right over here. here. That's the same

Starting point is 00:02:51 rock old window. Oh, wow. That was Rose Perella, was the lady. She was like a school mom. And her brother was the first Italian judge in New York City, the Perellas. And they brought this statue from Italy in the

Starting point is 00:03:07 1880s, 90s, you know? And so when the old lady I was dedicated to the saint all my life. Me and Janu, the old man, we used to put the car calling up and the candles, people. with the redden, people used to put money a dollar or money on the saint, you know?

Starting point is 00:03:24 Just like in the movie. And it's just right here, right at the entrance. This is the old, this is before San Juan. This is before San Juan. This is the old, my foyeros. You know what I mean? And I celebrate his birthday, I'm dedicated to him. So now when the old lady died, right?

Starting point is 00:03:42 Nobody knew where the saint was. She lived in my building and the saint was in the basement where my grandfather used to make one. where I used to rehearse with my band when I was the kid. The whole neighbor would hurt me like, that's Vitty, you know. Yeah. And she had all the feast stuff for the saint,

Starting point is 00:04:02 like the gall and the lights and everything like that. So when she died, nobody knew where the saint was, but I did. This statue right here. He used to come in a glass core fan. Yeah, right, right, right. He used to have a glass cord, but I don't know what happened. It went into some patient. street place and who knows what happened to it. So anyway, where was I? Nobody knew where it was.

Starting point is 00:04:27 Oh, nobody knew where it was. And so I went with my cousin, he'll live next door to me. We got him, we wrapped them up in a blanket and we took him up to my house, like a dead body. I swear to God. And I had him in my house for a couple of years. I used to put my money, my jewelry down there. And if I ever had like something going on, I just put the blindfold on them. You don't need to know. I love that. I love that. Anyway, this is my saint that I love very much.

Starting point is 00:04:56 And you donate to this, rich? Yes. Wait a minute. Now I had this, wait a minute. I had the saint in my house. They found out. Who's else? John Gotti.

Starting point is 00:05:09 John Gotti finds out that I had the fuck. And the club, the Raven Night Club. Joe Fachugat, Joey Bogdaratz. We called Joe Fadrogat. The Joe Madalads. He was like, you know, and I had a, so I get worried. Bring the saint, because it's the biggest trophy in the world to us Italian people. Bring the saint.

Starting point is 00:05:32 And you're saying, bring the one. What are you talking about? Bring the saint to, they didn't know how it, to the club, Raven Knights. I'll pass it right over here. So all the old ladies heard about it. They know, you bring it to the church. And here he is today. Wow.

Starting point is 00:05:47 You listen with the old ladies Oh yeah You could argue with the old ladies No I'm not No I'm not not not Not a chance So it also came with like a flag Like you know the square flag

Starting point is 00:05:59 Yeah sure You still got that I don't know what I'm So they tell me We're gonna cut that So anyway They said Where's the flag

Starting point is 00:06:09 I brought a Two cent American flag About this way Here's the flag Flag Flag There you go. And the fighting 69th used to guard the church,

Starting point is 00:06:22 because the Irish, Italian, you know, Catholic. Catholic, yeah. As a matter of fact, when the Italian people came in, the church was in ruin in the early 1900s. And my family and a bunch of other families, right here, all the Italian people, here you go, my grandfather and my grandmother's name. Wow.

Starting point is 00:06:41 My grandmother Rosa, my grandfather Vincent. Wow. And this here. And all these, these were all the Italian people. Michael Bond, like my family, like people we know from the neighborhood. You know, they did this stand, you know. They got to add you for, if you remember. Yeah, but he's there.

Starting point is 00:06:59 He sees me. Yeah, that's your name on the way. Yeah, that's that. So anyway, right over there, St. Vincent, sorry. St. Vincent's on that side right over there. He's like a saint of music. Kind of like me, you know. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:07:14 He's like Matavani. Even though Matavani was not. It sounds Italian. It sounds Italian. That's good enough. And this is the church from the original cathedral. And these are all the reverence and all the first... We're walking under any catacombs.

Starting point is 00:07:34 Yeah. There's catacombs. All the first bishops and cardinals are buried here. Right. This church, this is sacred ground. There was the first black saint in America. Pierre Du Saint. He was from Jamaica.

Starting point is 00:07:47 They can't find him. I know where he was. He was right out here. We all know it. Yeah. I used to play Mingolivio in the yard over here, climbed the trees. Have you ever played music in here? Yes, I played guitar on the thing once. Yeah. Do they know? Do they know that? Well, yeah, yeah. I've played my sweet lord by George Harrison. Good June. Oh, that's a great. Oh, beautiful. Beautiful. Sounded good, too. You can't believe the Beatles said no to that one. So he said, he said, all, I'll do it. Yeah. And, uh, well, I sang with the, we used to sing the, the, all the, the, the choir, a little opera, but a lot of the Yankee songs, like, oh, wow, yeah. No, not the A-Gayers.

Starting point is 00:08:36 Yeah, rebel, the rebel, like, what's that one? When Johnny comes marching home. Oh, that's true, right. Songs like that. Those kinds of Yankee songs. You know, I used to do all those songs like, well, one. I was a kid. It was a little different. In here.

Starting point is 00:08:48 That's awesome. There's a big organ up here. Oh, is it a pipe? Oh, yeah. Come on, take a look at this thing. You gotta film this thing. All right, come down this way anyway. You got a key to this place?

Starting point is 00:09:04 Hmm. It's gorgeous. Okay, there's the organ. You gotta hear that thing. Can I hear it? Yeah. Can you play? Yeah, a little bit.

Starting point is 00:09:14 I tickled the ivories. I know you do. Wow. Okay, this is the fountain in the Garfather. Remember when he said, Mike? You're kidding me. I do renounce them. This is the fountain.

Starting point is 00:09:25 But when they come out of church, it's in Rhode Island. Exterior. But this is the church where I got baptized. You're kidding. My father, my grandfather, this is the one. You could see it in the thing. I'm gonna watch tomorrow. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:43 Look at that organ, man. That's beautiful. I would love to. You want to know the connection to do this right now? my uncle played guitar in the band in the wedding in the godfather. There you know. Part two. Part two. Yeah. Here we are. Then here we are. I have seen both God. Multiple times. They could count the tree. All right. That's the Holy Trinity. Okay guys that's about the, you know, the extent of this. This is awesome.

Starting point is 00:10:10 It's a great. So come on. I'll take you out this way. And it's St. Patrick himself. There he is. Let's go out that way. Okay. Yeah, because it's more visual. What do you think of gangs in New York, the movie? It's okay. All right.

Starting point is 00:10:29 I'm going to get a picture of that organ. That's beautiful. That is just gorgeous. Yeah. I was an altar boy here and everything. I used to work for a flower store, you know, and I used to go to the funerals. I used to deliver.

Starting point is 00:10:44 So it was a tofa for me. So if I had to go see mayor, or rosy that passed away. I thought it was going to the flowers and I went there anyway. I was going anyway. Right of respect, you know? Absolutely. Okay.

Starting point is 00:10:56 Okay. This is another baptismal room. It was. And this was like a little separate thing, but we could go out this way. Okay. All right. I'll make you peep the graveyard.

Starting point is 00:11:12 Yeah, please. Yeah, this is all original soil. As a matter of fact, they redid the grass. You can peep through this? Who goes there? Wow. Three, five, four, dumb. Any?

Starting point is 00:11:26 I used to play Ringoivio in there. Wow. Are there any particular tombstones that you can remember in there that are? No, they're because they're all. Here, we'll go this way. Sure. All right, we'll pass this way later. Let's go over here.

Starting point is 00:11:39 Okay, this was the Raven Knights Club over here, and this was the John Gotti, but it was real Neil Delacroaches. He lived in this building right over here. Oh. My friend Johnny Sapanaro lived here, too. Johnny Sapp. He taught me how to play the guitar.

Starting point is 00:11:53 He was one of those. Big guy like you, hair called, like, you know, wall, good guy. I'll show you a picture. I'll show you a picture of him ladies in my kitchen. And here, this was the thing. As a matter of fact, where that air condition is up there, that was my old girlfriend's apartment. Above the club.

Starting point is 00:12:09 Above the, and my mother got me to the apartment. Nobody could touch that apartment. Yeah. You know, I was allowed in the building. You know what I mean? Wow. Because they had Sergeant Mike out here. That's how they, when he went on vacation,

Starting point is 00:12:23 it's how they snuck into the apartment. What Mike was here, forget about. Nobody got in that building. I was allowed because I was Teddy son, you know, they know me. But this is it, this is the original floor on there. Oh, is it? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:37 Wow. And they used to have a picture of Babe Ruth, right here. Right here. Of him in the club? Yeah, just like a picture. Oh, just a picture. Yeah. Just pride.

Starting point is 00:12:47 Yeah, yeah, Yankee pride around here. And this is where the Sun drew now in our feast is. Are you a Yankees found? Yeah, this is, you know, see, look at the church. See the, see the obstacle, what are they called, obelisk? Yes, right there, yeah, yeah, the obelisk. Yep. Wow.

Starting point is 00:13:05 A lot of them, there are a lot of Freemasons. Yeah. You know, enshrine is like kind of buried in there from the old, old school. And that is, is that the neighborhood church? Yeah, that was the church. There was another Italian church out here, most precious blood. Speaking of... Yeah, speaking of time.

Starting point is 00:13:21 Yeah, right. I could take you there, too. But that's his job. This is my church. How many past and present, Agnostic Front and Madball members went to that same church? I don't know. I take everybody there, so, you know...

Starting point is 00:13:35 Anyway, this is all my neighborhood, all the people I know, and, like, all the people I grew up with all around here on this block. Hey, let me ask you something. When you were a kid on Sundays, Was this neighborhood just dead because everybody was in church? Well, it's not traveling like this. This is among a baguats over here.

Starting point is 00:13:53 You know? It's ridiculous. Yeah. You know? But I don't know. There was Zito's bakery over here that's gone, like, you know? What's still here? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:05 Besides the truth. Yeah. Me. You, yeah. You're a part of me. Yeah. I haven't closed you up yet. How far as?

Starting point is 00:14:15 CBGBs from here. Who? CBGB? CBGB is very close. Okay. Yeah. I could take it in, too. So that was something you would walk to it.

Starting point is 00:14:23 Yeah. Well, anyway, on the next block over, Mott Street, where I live, the end of Mott Street is the five points. Oh. That's the five points. Straight out right at the end of Chinatown. Mott Street's only like 12 blocks.

Starting point is 00:14:35 You know what I mean? Yeah. 13 blocks, maybe. Or something like that. And at the end, there's the five point. And you still can see the five points. They're still St. James Church down there. There's that little.

Starting point is 00:14:45 park. There's a little park down there with a small cemetery. It's like kind of like offbeat. I used to hang out like because it was a little parked and it was a cool spot. Nobody was there, you know, like except for us smoking, hanging out. Just cigarette. Yeah, yeah. Smoking cigarettes. Holding cigarettes. Yeah. Looking cool. Yeah. The park over here is where I used to take my kid and everything. So, but that's, this was the club that they wanted me to take the sake to. Right. Wow. No, nice. We'll go up another way. Yeah, please.

Starting point is 00:15:18 You lead the way, man. Okay. This is the church steps I used to talk about in my songs. Right. Drinking on the church steps in the middle of the night. These are the steps. I remember I was so small. I used to climb and fit in here.

Starting point is 00:15:33 You want to try? Yeah, give a shot. Yeah, you want to try? I used to fit in here. I used to climb like a little kid inside. Wow. And I used to fit in there. Sneaky.

Starting point is 00:15:44 Yeah. You were in there. This was the Holy Name Society. All the older guys used to come down here and drink. Right. And like, you know, after church or whatever. And they used to drink down there. It was like a clubhouse.

Starting point is 00:15:59 Yeah, you know. And the catacombs go right in from here. They go right into it. And it was cool in the summertime. It's always cool. Right. I'd run around in their play. Right.

Starting point is 00:16:10 You know, because my... In the catacombs? Yeah. Felt in there. Gentle breeze all the time. A couple dead bodies. They never had anybody. You know, little kids running after each other, tried to play in tag.

Starting point is 00:16:20 You know how that goes. And my uncles and my father, they would all drink while we would play around. This is the rectory. The old New York. You know? So now this is a basilica now. Okay. So that means there's a chair in there that only the Pope sits.

Starting point is 00:16:38 There's only three chairs in New York up St. John the Divine, St. Patrick's uptown, and this church. What is the purpose of the church? Sure. That's only for the Pope. It's a holy chair. It's a holy chair. So you check him, checks him a couple times a year? Has a Pope visited this chair? No, no. But I sat in the chair.

Starting point is 00:16:58 I mean, you're a Pope of sorts. Yeah, right. You're my Pope. I also sat in Frederick the Wise's chair the one way he looked out the window for like 30 years. But that's another story. That's where we're in Germany or something. Let me ask you, Vinay, should you have sat in that chair? Yes.

Starting point is 00:17:16 These lambs? There's sheep in there. There's sheep in there. Oh, yeah. What? Look. There's lambs walking around. Those New York lambs, man.

Starting point is 00:17:27 There really is. That's crazy. That's when you go on the lamb, you know? You hide out with them. You hide out over here with the lamb. I guess they just graze in there. They keep the lawn next. Wow.

Starting point is 00:17:37 Yeah, that's what they, you know, because the soil, it was so bad. It was so muddy and so depleted. Yeah. They never refreshed. You know what I mean? The gray or whatever. Except for, like, when the leaves would fall, it would, you know. It was just natural.

Starting point is 00:17:52 Yeah. But it was so, so shitty. So anyway, we used to play ball right here, too. Like, and he used to hit the ball right here. Which ball? Like Stoop ball. Stoop ball. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:04 Like handball? Yeah. You play against. I live closer to Mexico. Yeah. I was a great handball player. Me and some Dominican kids. I forget about it.

Starting point is 00:18:14 We were the best. My right was his last. Dream team. Yeah, definitely. That's what you want. The Knights of Columbus is, and they want me to be a night, but I didn't dedicate my, I should. I think you should. I know, they want me to.

Starting point is 00:18:31 What does that mean? Tell from you? I guess I gotta go to church or something. I don't know. But this is the Knights of Columbus. Yeah. Gorgeous. And somebody broke that.

Starting point is 00:18:42 Look what they did. They defamed it. That's disgusting. You know? Yeah. So this is the P.A.L. Right here, there was a tree that Joe Christie played. Joe Christie was a little fat, tough guy.

Starting point is 00:18:59 He used to run the P.A.L. The police athletically, and he used to have all the kids' box. They were like, like a little bulldog this guy. And he planted a tree, and the tree was flourishing. But when Joe Christie died, that was it. The tree died, like the next day. No kidding. Yeah, I swear to God.

Starting point is 00:19:16 It was really a water or something. It's not watering. This is Jersey Street. I used to junk my cars here. Junk them? Yeah, like, you know, like... Yeah. And then not only that, I was...

Starting point is 00:19:28 I'd set them off fire. Yeah. Yeah, I swear to God, I would set them off fire. And sometimes, light over it, like, right by that little corner. This used to be factories. And, like, sometimes on the weekend, they had all these light, what do they call fluorescent light bulbs? Oh, yeah, the tubes?

Starting point is 00:19:45 Smash the chocolate. What's better than that? I was a chucker, baby. Because you can't, you've got to land flat like boom. Yeah, yeah. It's got to land like that. It's got to land boom. There's an art to it.

Starting point is 00:19:59 I just know how to make my carving footprint. There you go, motherfucker. Throw an H-bomb on Hiroshima, and they want to blame me for, like, recycling a can. Unbelievable. Fuck you. They got a side downstairs. It says, recycle.

Starting point is 00:20:12 They want me to recycle a can. They throw an H-bomb on Hiroshima, You want me to recycle a can? I don't think so. Anyway, this was my hangout building. It used to be the green building. It's not green anymore. And they used to have different doorways and everything.

Starting point is 00:20:28 And we used to come in here. They used to call us the airport because we used to smoke so much wean. You know? And we would hang out right here. You know, all night. This was a bodega. I remember fucking bamboo, 10 cents a pack. Really?

Starting point is 00:20:43 Yeah. Yeah, roller paper. Wow. Ten cents. He's talking to three non-smokers, so we got no idea. But she's not smoking. You know, it's good for you out. But that's in the, I say I got out here all the time.

Starting point is 00:20:55 In this building, in the back of this building, you ever watch Meant Street? Of course. Okay, you know the lady that came out the window? Oh, wow. It was Swagianney. She lived right in here. And she done that to me a million times. She was just an actress, so she wasn't an actresses?

Starting point is 00:21:09 No, she was just a lady from the neighbor. That's awesome. You know what I mean? It was my friend Sally's mother. And Sullivan. He also had a pigeon coop on this roof. A pigeon coop. He had a pigeon coop on my roof.

Starting point is 00:21:22 And across the street, there was another pigeon cook. Did you raise him? Yeah, I still have pigeons. Do you? Yeah. Yeah. I rented my pigeon Rocky in the last year's

Starting point is 00:21:31 Fourth of July liberation. How do you do? He came in about 15 at about 700. That's good. Yeah. Like Tyson was in on the race. Yeah, I know he's big on pigeons. I remember that.

Starting point is 00:21:43 A lot of guy, a lot of pigeon guys. I got all the photos and everything. It goes watch guy, Pigeon guy. That's the next step. That's the next step. That's the harderness. Do they know you in the pigeon world? They know you as Vinny. A little bit. No, they know like my grandfather really.

Starting point is 00:21:59 Because he was better before you. Right. You know why? Because he would, he would like, for instance, I like fancy tails. Okay. You know, because the homing pigeons and the grizzles and the king pigeons, garbage bird. Garbage bird. Yeah. Now, but the only But you have a pair of them. Because when you have a bigger bird like that, you switch the eggs on the,

Starting point is 00:22:20 so the bigger bird feeds the bird. So we'll switch the eggs. Tricks of the tree. Wow. You're not going to be able to hear that anywhere else. This is breaking news. Yeah, we used to throw a little iodine into water because birds catch colds. Yeah, right, yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:33 There really is it. Bird flu. I know bird flu all my life, you know. And anyway, this used to be the Puck building, a factory building. You know, ink, paper. Oh, yeah, it still says it's puck building. As a matter of fact, there's the puck right there up here. You could see it on, what's that there?

Starting point is 00:22:55 The girls, section of the city. Yeah, yeah. They show you that statue. Oh, dude. And all these things over here. There were different signs at the time. Yeah, yeah. But they show you, you know, the different, this is all different around here.

Starting point is 00:23:08 Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure. When you were a kid. Oh, when I was a kid, that day, that built where the red line, right light is, there used to. It used to be a tire store. Okay.

Starting point is 00:23:18 And on Sundays, they would, all the tires they didn't want, they would leave there, stagnant. So I would go there with my friends and roll all the tires into the street, clog up the traffic and run away. Wow. Yeah, I would do that every Sunday. On Sunday? Every, yeah, because they never caught you. Yeah, they were all. They were busy.

Starting point is 00:23:38 They never caught you. No, no. They never will. Yeah. Now, was there anybody? I mean, a sack of ties. Yeah. Yeah, I was just rolled me and my friends.

Starting point is 00:23:47 Like five, ten of us, roll them in the street. Brascles. Yeah. If we go to Seabies, I need to see if your nail is still on the wall. No, it's not in the wall. You pulled it out. Yeah, I had it at my house, but I don't know what happened to it. You don't know what happened to it?

Starting point is 00:23:59 I think I hung out one of my pitches. Yeah. Do you guys don't know if Vinny had his own nail that he put up on the wall during a fight at Seabees? No, there was like a beer fight. Yeah, yeah. And they were soaking wet, and I had a play. I went to hang up my, so I went behind the ball. I got a nail like, boop, boom, boom.

Starting point is 00:24:18 I hung up my jack. I stayed there until the end of the CVs. Yeah, yeah. And every time I used to go in there, that was my nail. Like, you know what I mean? Don't touch, Vinny's. Yeah, there was a coat hanging on there. That's Vinny's coat.

Starting point is 00:24:30 They wouldn't even know. It was so, like, graffiti that you wouldn't even recognize that nail. You just had to know where it was. Yeah. Sometimes I used to have to feel on the wall. Finney, where do you get all the energy from? You got more energy than I do. In fact, man.

Starting point is 00:24:43 I got to give you the tour. You're spry. I love it. I'm, you know, I got to get there. This used to be, this used to be a home for homeless children. Oh, wow. Yeah, it used to be called St. Barnabez. I used to hang out on this block because it was dead.

Starting point is 00:24:59 And I used to hang out on the train station right over there. It was flat. We would hang around right there. And my friend Johnny Blue Eyes here, this was a gas station like, kind of, you know? Johnny Blue Ice. Did you have a fun Italian nickname before Vinny Stigma? Like a Johnny Blue Oz? Vinny Vigini.

Starting point is 00:25:18 I work with a couple of us. Vinny, how many times you've done this walk? Dude, I mean, a billion times probably. Every day. Because C.B.S. is right there. All right. Here we are in front of the world famous CBGBs in New York City. Wow. I've been coming here since before with CBGBs, but it was still Hillies on the Bowery.

Starting point is 00:25:38 My house was right here. You were right there. You were right. So this was like my neighborhood scrub bar. You know what I mean? Yeah, the neighborhood kids hung out here. There were bikers that had. But like hobos, like people like years ago,

Starting point is 00:25:51 there were like men just laying on it all over. Like forget about it. It was like, and like how these people never got sick and not like that, you know? Think the alcohol, you know? Yeah. Anyway, I played here a lot of years. I got a live album out of here.

Starting point is 00:26:06 Hilly was always a good friend to me. He was always good to me. I mean, you know, He was like a manager. I used to load in on Sunday. And as I'm loading in, like, when coffee, he'll be. I'll go for coffee.

Starting point is 00:26:18 Yeah, all right. I come back with the Italian cookies. Forget about it. That was the he loved me. Every Sunday I would do that. You know? For the matinee? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:28 Every Sunday matinee. You know, and then you turn around, he's gone. He leaves the place. To me, Roger, Iowa, you know, a couple of us. Like us. We took care of the place. How many benefits? How many can drives?

Starting point is 00:26:40 How many things we did for people to help out? And how do you feel about the CBGB's movie that got made that basically doesn't take my... I don't know. I never saw a movie. Yeah, don't. It's not. It's not. It's not.

Starting point is 00:26:54 It's a lot. Yeah. It was a lot. Yeah. I don't know, you know. What's the first show you remember going to here? I really don't know. I can't remember.

Starting point is 00:27:04 You remember the first show you played here? I can't remember that either. What was hardcore like before you started playing it? Did it exist? I came out of punk rock into hardcore so I made the jump You know what I mean? So like some people didn't want to make the jump

Starting point is 00:27:22 I made the jump I used to stand right here on Sunday afternoon No shirt on my grandfather's pigeons flying Right because you could see the flock of pigeons I'm just right behind that building Yeah yeah sure and I'd be standing here like And then somebody come over and beep beep Yo, Vita, yo what's up?

Starting point is 00:27:39 You know come on. You're playing now, yeah, come on in, yeah, all right. They won't come. The neighborhood got people, but they all know, they see me. I used it from my kitchen where we're going to be. I used to get my amp, my bag, and my guitar, locked the door all the way down. That's how you walked you so fast. You used to be put a head like this all the way on the stage, boom, boom.

Starting point is 00:28:04 Then I had to go back from my cabinet, which I used to keep underneath my stairs, and I had a wheel truck, hand truck. Oh, good. And I used to be walking through the streets with the hand truck with the cabinet, one of these. Yeah. And that was the loading. Everybody knew.

Starting point is 00:28:18 Yo, you're going to see me, you're playing. You know, yeah, man, good luck, kid, you know. Yeah, the old people, they, you know. And it was so cool. Just the other day, I was at the Bari Electric. And there was a show. And a friend of mine that I'd see in 30 years, he pulls up, yo, Fannie, what's off?

Starting point is 00:28:36 Hey, Frankie. How are you? I see him on like 30 years. You want to go for coffee? Okay. And I went for coffee. The show ended anyway, but the show was over anyway. I didn't say goodbye.

Starting point is 00:28:49 I didn't say goodbye to the 800. The 800. That's a hundred one. Goodbye to a friend of mine, but I called him later. Wow. All right. Well, how hard did it hit you to lose this place? Oh, still.

Starting point is 00:29:01 Yeah. Still. Just being here. You kidding me, no way, because I'm spoiled. That's why I think I caught it. because I'm here. It came to me. Like, kind of.

Starting point is 00:29:12 You know what I'm trying to say? Like, I didn't, like, I didn't want to go to Brooklyn for a fucking show. We were talking about that before. Queens guys going into Brooklyn for shows and going into Manhattan, and everybody kind of was like, well, we got to go to Manhattan to go to these. We got to go to Lower East Side to go to these shows. You got to talk to all anyway. Many had to go two blocks away from his house.

Starting point is 00:29:30 Exactly. Yeah, that's why I was very, I was always spoiled. And I'm, well, I'm a true New Yorker. Of course. Till today. What other punk rocker? Back even in the day, there was no other. I was the only guy.

Starting point is 00:29:46 I mean, there were a few rockers that are like my friend Johnny Sapp and guys rocker roll guys. But they never made the jump either. When I walked out of my building and there's a murder incorporator right there, right? Either you go this way or you go that way. I went that way. My friend who was a guy, he says, Vinnie, you went the right. way. There you go. You know? I mean, you're, you gotta be better off.

Starting point is 00:30:13 Oh, yeah. I would have been gone long ago. So anyway, this is the famous CBGBs. I played here. I got a solo. I got an album out of here 1988, Hillie. Got me to write. I spoke at his, uh, one of his memorials. And I told him the same story. The coffee. Yeah. The little Pinoli can, you know, the little cookies. you know. Did you like the sound here better than anywhere else? Because every time I ever came here, that's the thing I always remember.

Starting point is 00:30:42 Everybody sounded so fucking good. Yeah, no, Norman Dunn put the sound system in. It was a guy on my live album, there was Dennis, Norman's brother. He was like a balding guy with a rat tail. You know what I mean? Yeah, of course. Kind of hated the kids. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:03 You know, he was like the big bully. Anyway, you know, kids, we left it on the record. So when you hear the record, we got him yelling at the kids on it. Wow. That's how we, that's how it was. So we left that guy venting about the kids on the record. We got to, I listened to that and I get it. He passed.

Starting point is 00:31:23 So did his brother. I get a kick out when I hear his voice. And he hears somebody's voice, you know. And nobody else would know that that's, what that was on. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, Roger would know a few people, though. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:37 If you ever listen to the live at CBGBs and you hear the bouncer so-called, you want to call them a bouncer. Yelling at the kids, that's, yeah, that's him. Dennis has something to say on this new album. Hold on. A lot of you people ain't going to live to see tomorrow can keep fucking around this way.

Starting point is 00:31:56 So hardcore is a thing that needs to be experienced live. Watching videos of it online ain't the same. There go, stigma. Stigma. Stigmar. Stigma What's up? See Stigma

Starting point is 00:32:11 It's crazy We're in front of CB Stigma just walking across us They're everywhere AF live at CBG is The best live hardcore album of all time Maybe the only live hardcore album That truly

Starting point is 00:32:25 Feels like a hardcore show Just to listen to You know what? The second one The second live one with the cousin drawing that one feels like it too. That one's a good one too. Open with an lemonade? Yeah. You just can't beat hardcore. That's the bottom line. That's it. All right. Come on, I'll take it another way. We got the light. Let's go. Let's go. Okay, we're coming to my friend's bakery. This was Parisi Bakery. My friend Frankie, I went to school

Starting point is 00:32:54 with him and he had the bakery. He passed away two years ago just about now. His birthday was just the other day. And this used to be the bakery. It's a bakery cafe. Unbelievable. Yeah, this is, yeah. This looks like it would have been delicious. And my friend Frankie would have all his bread trucks over here. You can't rob his pocket space. He'll come out beefing.

Starting point is 00:33:18 It was in the news once. He beat up a guy. Really? Yeah, it was in the news. That's where I want to go. Yeah, that's right. That's where I want to buy his rules. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:28 Wow. I went to school with him all my life. Come on, guys. We'll go this way. My first bass player, my friend Sally Donuts, big fat guy, you know. Why did they call him donuts? It was a big fat guy. So he was my friend with him, Frankie.

Starting point is 00:33:46 It was like the old Italian band from the neighborhood. It was great. So years went on. I went on, you know. So in 91, he died, right? He was so fat that they had. to take him out of the window. Wow.

Starting point is 00:34:03 They had to get him out of the window with the crane. Yeah, so my friend calls me and said, yo, Vitti, Saudi died, come down right away. So I'm standing on the corner right here with him. And the closest street, the fire department, the ambulance. They had a crane. Yeah, right, yeah. What else was here? The Jaws alive.

Starting point is 00:34:22 Yeah, right. So it was December 21st. It's my mom's birthday. Oh, wow. Anyway, he lived right there. The first day he went there. He's in a basket. So he had the crane.

Starting point is 00:34:36 He went like this. And he was like swinging like this. And me and my friend were like, look at Sal. He's still rocking. We were crying, hugging, laughing. We didn't know what to do. Yeah?

Starting point is 00:34:52 Sally Donuts. So his mother says, I don't call him Sally Donuts. He says, okay. What's donuts spelled backwards? Do not. There you go. Why don't he caught it?

Starting point is 00:35:06 And that was it. She said, not, call Sally Donuts. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Yeah, so that was my friend Sal who passed away there, you know? Monis Gosecci just lived right up the block here. He grew up in this neighborhood?

Starting point is 00:35:19 Yeah, this is a Sicilian. All the Sicilians lived on the Shakadan way this was. Also, on March Street, where all the Nabilams lived. That's where my family's from. Yeah, my grandmother. My grandmother. My father. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:31 That's all the Nambley Don's lived over there. Really? Yeah. I never knew. Yeah. Because the whole town moved to Elizabeth Street. The whole town moved to Marlis Street, like, high. Yeah, right, right, right.

Starting point is 00:35:41 And stuff like that. That store right there. That used to be another, that was Joe Lefty's place. He was also with Murder Incorporated. That was another outlet of Murdering Corps. But the main headquarters was there, and I'll show you on my block. All right, let's go check that out. Yeah, let's go.

Starting point is 00:35:59 This was murder incorporated right here. And I remember Chalus was standing right where you were standing, you know? And I remember over here like this, smoking a cigarette. Up to nothing. And they had the long coats with the fedores like that. And they all, there was Joe Action, clabby, or Chalooz, flabby. These were like the 40 thieves were in here, like, you know. What year?

Starting point is 00:36:30 Me 60, 61, like around there. I remember, they used to give me silver dollars. Wow. Or half dollars. Just for being a kid. Just for being a kid. Just for being a kid. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:43 Go get me paper. Go get me a pack of cigarettes. Yeah, yeah. And then I would go like, Charlie wants cigarettes. That's it. That's all I had to say. And they just had a little kid's cigarettes. So then I used to go, I called Wives.

Starting point is 00:36:58 And I said, Charlie, watch cigarettes. I go smoke them with my friends. It was great. A little 12-year-old kids smoking cigarettes. It's so cool. Anyway, this was the murder incorporated. That's the mafia's mafia. When they needed a mafia guy killed, they called these guys.

Starting point is 00:37:15 Because they were gangsters. They weren't big shots. They were gangsters. Wow. You know? Anyway, come on. I'll show you the little thing up here. This is a factory.

Starting point is 00:37:28 dead, but it was an old Yankee prison. And it goes about three stories down there. There were crawl spaces down there and everything. And they still have the shackles on the wall. Wow. In this storage? Because it was kind of abandoned. We used to break in when I was a kid.

Starting point is 00:37:44 And I used to have my bands. Just bring the equipment in there, make clubhouses. I'm sure, sure. Go down there and make out with our girls, you know. Yeah, all the good stuff. Smoke cigarettes. Yeah, this is a cold cigarette. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:58 You were the term, that used to be a funeral parlor. The sushi place? Yeah, the sushi place. My grandfather was buried in my grandmother, my grandma, all my family. So I usually go in there on Friday the 13th. It's like a little thing I got there. And then we're right next to the church again.

Starting point is 00:38:15 Exactly, right? So, like, Pierre Duson, he was right behind the wall right there. Right there. I see. He was right there. I knew all along. They were local fame. It was on the news.

Starting point is 00:38:26 He was right here. You knew from the tombstone? No, I just knew from growing it. I got you. They would tell you, they would say. Yeah, like Bishop Dubois and all these Bishop Cardinals are very good. Yankee comes from? Huh?

Starting point is 00:38:38 Do you know where the word Yankee comes from? No. This was a Dutch settlement. Right. Amsterdam. Right. Right. And in Dutch, the name John is Jan.

Starting point is 00:38:49 And it's just Yank, Yankee. Okay. That's it. It literally is just Johns. John's. That's it. Anyway, there was a little store, like a little holy. they were digging up, like, the sewers or whatever.

Starting point is 00:39:00 Yeah. I used to play in the ground. In the manhole? Yeah, like, not in the manhole, but in the, where they dug up. I found a cannonball. There we go. A cannonball. A cannibal.

Starting point is 00:39:11 You still got it? No, I don't know. You know? Yeah. Finney, has anybody ever tell you your comedic timing is unbelievable? Yeah. Anyway, I used to have... He knows what he's doing.

Starting point is 00:39:25 It's good. I just had pigeons on this roof. There was pigeons on this roof, and there was pigeons on that roof. Yeah. So we were all like, you know, I'm a big pigeon guy. The Pigeon community, connect.

Starting point is 00:39:35 Yeah, yeah. Was it like a little... Was it like a Italian thing? Was it the underwater front? Yeah, yeah. Kind of like that. Was it like a club? Like, you guys knew each other?

Starting point is 00:39:42 Would you... No, no, no, no. Everybody had their own. Somebody led to send messages to each other to be a pigeon? No. We didn't have... They just yell across the roof. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:52 Yeah. Look at this. My brother and got married on that roof. On the roof? On the roof? Yeah. That's where they had their thing. In my building, my grandfather made the wine in the basement.

Starting point is 00:40:01 My mother and father got married on the roof. Like they got married in the church, but they had like the, you know, the whole building was opened up. Everybody was coming into the building. Wow. You know, and that's about it. That's the real thing. This way. Come on.

Starting point is 00:40:14 I forgot almost something pretty cool. This used to be Vera Guananda's apartment. Who was she? A lady that I liked, you know. One of my mother's friends. Okay. It was an apartment before it was a time and again with the door, I see the thing. I open up the door and I yell,

Starting point is 00:40:34 They go, he's back. What the hell was that? That guy came in again today. Okay. As a matter of fact, they see the church is closed now. Yeah, yeah. What's the light there, VIN. That's the catacombs.

Starting point is 00:40:52 Wow. You go down to here. You could go right into the catacombs. We're walking on catacombs right now. Wow. All this. Sacred ground. This is hollow ground, yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:02 You know? You can kind of see into it. Yeah, yeah. It's a basilica now. I should have showed you the chair in there. That's okay. That's up, Roy. We can imagine what the chair looks like.

Starting point is 00:41:14 Yeah, there's a chair, you know. This is St. Patrick's School. This is where I went to school all my life. All eight years. Wow. That was it. From Kidney God, that was it. I want to be in a band.

Starting point is 00:41:24 Yeah, right. So anyway, this is the old St. Patrick's. I was in this room. the day they killed Kennedy. Wow. I was in this room. And they let us out early. I went out, I ran down these stairs,

Starting point is 00:41:38 crossed the street, up to my apartment, which you'll see right here. And my mother was crying, and all the old ladies, you know, like crying. I'm like, damn, I got no school tomorrow, man. Fuck that shit. You know, that's all I was thinking about. And this is the old school that I went to.

Starting point is 00:41:55 Where were you from the moon landing? What was that day? That was 69. 69. I was in that building, Vera Gornanda. You were there? I was a Monji Box's house. That's right.

Starting point is 00:42:05 Were you watching it? Yes. Was it Walter Cronkite or? I can't remember. NBC or ABC? I don't know. Or C.S. Yeah, but I remember that.

Starting point is 00:42:12 Wow. So I used to climb all these trees. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. It's perfect for a cape. Yeah, it is. That's my little yard. It's beautiful.

Starting point is 00:42:22 Yeah, you just took us around. Yeah. It's in the square. Right. And then now we could go to Labadi's. Oh. You guys ready? Boys.

Starting point is 00:42:30 Now, what is Lombardi's? Come on, I'll tell you when we're there. All right. So here we are on the corner of Mott and Spring at the world's famous Lombardy's Pizzeria. The first pizzeria in America, 1905, right from Naples, L'Bri-Lan, they came here,

Starting point is 00:42:50 and they opened this pizzeria. It was also a bakery and a pizzeria. You know, and it's the first fisserie in America. Is this your favorite pizzeria in America? Is this your favorite pizzeria in that? One of my favorites. One of your favorites. Do you think it's the first piece you had?

Starting point is 00:43:01 First piece of pizza you think you ever had? No, I think my first piece of weed was raised. But the original, the real way. We all know the original one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I hear you. Anyway, my friend Johnny runs the joint, you know, and it's pretty cool.

Starting point is 00:43:21 It's a tourist spot. It's the first one. I mean, you know. Sure. Yeah, but a tourist spot's a tour of a spot for a reason. Yeah, right, for a reason. Exactly. We're not from here.

Starting point is 00:43:29 I'm on tour. And you with the Chicago pizza, right? That's me. So there you go. We go try something. This is truly New York and blah, blah, blah, blah. Beautiful. That's about it.

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Starting point is 00:45:55 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. A bunch of stuff. Beautiful. Sounds great. You guys just do what you gotta do. Hey, look. Right, right, you hear the song?

Starting point is 00:46:03 Volada, they're playing. This one? Yeah, it's Volada. You want to get two regular pies? Just a letter, two regular pies. Then do you have any preference on anything else? Brastic double pepper? There you go, double pepperoni.

Starting point is 00:46:15 Do the meatball. We gotta do the meatball. And then add a meatball on there too. So four pies. Mm. Sounds great. Then his fridge is gonna be filled with pizza. Thank you so much.

Starting point is 00:46:25 Yeah. My heart is filled right now. Good. So is ours. Kid me? I was so anxious and everything. About the church. About the church.

Starting point is 00:46:37 I'm calming down now. Yeah, that was amazing. I'm so glad we made it. Yeah. No, I was like, oh. What's it like to her with this guy? Oh, my, the best. Really?

Starting point is 00:46:49 I always talk shit about him all the time. No, true. He's the best. Yeah. Cool. Professional. Yeah. You know, I can't say enough about it, really, Mike.

Starting point is 00:47:00 I always do. And a brilliant songwriter. And not only that, it ain't just me saying. Everybody says that. It's true. Really, Mike, it's true. I've never heard of bad work. Yeah, never, never.

Starting point is 00:47:12 And I'm friends with him coming 30 years, more. Wow. We wrote the best are Courtney Pee of all time. Yeah, we went on tour together 30 years ago, right, Mike? That was my first tour. Oh, yeah? Yeah, first European tour. It was Manbo, Crown for Lawrence.

Starting point is 00:47:26 Oh, it was Mabel. Mammle or Thorns in Europe. We were only a band for about six months. Wow. And I lived in a bus. It was a beat the street bus that they didn't have real tour buses at the time. It was a converted city bus. It would like make shift bunks in it.

Starting point is 00:47:48 And I lived on that bus with Vinny for a month. Wow. And it was, I'll never forget it. It was like, you never forget your first one. No. It's true. I forget your last one. That tool was notorious.

Starting point is 00:48:02 Yeah, it was. Manboe got thrown out of the dynamo after playing it. Oh, you were in? 95. I was like Dynamo 95. That's the big one. You were on that one?

Starting point is 00:48:13 That was like 120,000 people. That was the biggest Dynamo Festival in Europe. They had a scale of depth. People were leaving their cars on the highway and just walking. It's like Woodstock. They were running that again.

Starting point is 00:48:26 They were running that again. You know? Those videos are, they got me in there's so much things. There's only, legendary videos. The Madball video. Is that the biohazard one? The Biohazard one. The machine has one.

Starting point is 00:48:39 And the Pete Steele's in on that typeo. That's my God. We're all together. All those bands, because we're all roadrunner. Yeah, a lot of us, you know, at the time. So the Playgirls, Pete Steele Centipold, yeah. So had just came out.

Starting point is 00:48:57 Oh, man. And there were roadrunner girls distributing it everywhere at the festival. So look at Pete Steele's junk. We, like, we snuck a magazine under Vinnie's pillow. Ah, I remember that. We're all hanging out. And then they're like, I think you're like Hoyo or like, you know, yo, Vinny, what's this?

Starting point is 00:49:19 What's on your mind, Vinnie? I know you and Pete were tight, but what the fuck is that? That's right. See, it's good to talk. I forgot all about that. Oh, we got into so much trouble. We had an off day in Spain. So we decided we're going to go to a beach town and just hang out. And we're all having a great time. We're not really pleasant any ruckus. But there's these tattooed dudes like running around just, you know, singing soccer chance in the middle of the street in a retirement community.

Starting point is 00:49:53 So they called the cops. after we had spent the day there and a fucking SWAT team showed up a Spanish SWAT team showed up point rifles at the fucking bus they unclipped the trailer and went through all our shit and all like locked in the bus they took all our passports

Starting point is 00:50:10 and they said please leave now oh yeah I got cut it out of a lot of countries touring Europe back then too must have been such an insane thing you're changing money everything. Yeah, oh man, that one.

Starting point is 00:50:27 Then you can't go to the cone, you can't eat, you can't do not. Right, yeah. It's terrible. Because when you're on the United States, you find a pay phone, you make a phone call back home, one of the pay phones here, right, right, right, right, the whole thing. But you can't even, you're just in Europe. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:41 It's there. I had, Elvis Presley's 1961 tour bus. It was, the metal was just thick, like this table. We got stopped in France The police took the lug nuts off Roger knows better than storm They took the lug nuts off the thing Or somehow we tried

Starting point is 00:51:06 We had to get a van somehow We didn't have credit cards And like it's going back now I'm going So somehow they had a tow truck And they pulled it and it fell off a side of a cliff Yeah that was the That's all our clothes in there and everything. Oh, no.

Starting point is 00:51:26 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So you just go home, right? Yeah, yeah. That's just the end of the tour. And in America, I had Willie Nelson's tour of us. Really? Yeah, I had the one with the Indian on the side, with the drunken horse.

Starting point is 00:51:39 That's cool. And people know, like, they recognize the bus. Like when I go into a diner, and they were like, is that really Nelson? Yeah, he's sleeping. Like, he needs coffee. Right? And you're like, oh, yeah. There you go.

Starting point is 00:51:53 There you go. Thank you. Same trick. He needs a pack of cigarettes too. Hey. Willie needs cigarettes. Free coffee, baby. Yeah?

Starting point is 00:52:01 If I say favorite tour you've ever done, does anything come to mind? Something really special. Well, you know, the old days, like Mike was telling you, like those are special. I forgot even about that story, too. About the police with the whole of the gun's in there. One time a guy tried to break in our bus, and we all read, we were, we were, in our underwear, the underwear, you know, slippers. And we're all trying to get out of the

Starting point is 00:52:26 fucking door at the same time, a bunch of fat guy, trying to go kill somebody. So we finally get out of the bus, and off chocolate is our socks. We go beat the guy up, right? Then we beat the one who went back to the bug, and we went back to the cops, right?

Starting point is 00:52:44 I heard there's a bunch of fat guys, and the Chinese, we had snark with us, and a Chinese guy, we were like, Yeah, that's us. I don't know. You're trying to break it on bus. You don't know. You're trying to break into it.

Starting point is 00:52:58 Yeah, you know, come on, guys. Speaking of which, about two, three years ago, whatever, I was on tour and we were in France. We were going to go through the channel to go to England, and they parked to gas up, and migrants broke into our trailer. They came out of the woods. to break into our bus. And so the guy's loading up diesel

Starting point is 00:53:27 and Roger Ag and walk around, you know. He said, I saw a leg hanging out. The door was open and the leg was hanging. Now, the equipment could have fell out and killed people on the highway. These people don't give a fuck. They just want, and then I could have got in trouble. Right.

Starting point is 00:53:47 So we opened up. Oh, man, there's a bunch of people. there. You know what I mean? But we had to throw them out, you know. And, you know, I don't know if the bus driver might have been in on it. Yeah, that was something else, you know. I mean, here we are. 9-11 is right here. Right. It's right up the block. I mean, you know, you pass it. You could see people were walking like zombies passing here, you know? You're home when that happened. I was home. I heard all these sirens. I was like, how many sirens? Like, I'm used to say I live in New York, but now, and I said, I put it on the TV,

Starting point is 00:54:26 which World Trade Center, I said, because it happened in 93. Right, right. I said, let me take my dog for a walk. I should walk him on the roof. Oh, okay. And so I go on the roof, there's a building on fire, my friend, Albee whips up to him, yeah, playing in the train, you know, the thing over there,

Starting point is 00:54:45 like, all right, you know, maybe the guy got a heart attack, who the fuck knows, you know? So, so I'm working with you. I'm walking my dog. While I'm walking your dog, they're here, boom. I look, and I see it. I see the second plane. Wow.

Starting point is 00:54:58 Now, there I come on, Paulie, let's go. I got my dog. I put him away. I had to go get my kid. He lived in Chinatown. Now, I'm going this way, and they're all coming this way. Is that the wrong way to be here? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:11 They put up the blockades and everything. I was hurtling, like, O.J. Simpson over those things. And the cop tried to stop me. Hey, listen, I got to go get my kid. I go to the Henry Street. I see my kids. It's a Chinese school. I go there.

Starting point is 00:55:28 I grab my kid. I'm bringing the back. I said, let me stop at Noodle Town. I picked up a bag of food. Smart. Hey, hey, I'm there. Let me get them. So I'll go with my kid, food.

Starting point is 00:55:43 I went to my house. I called his mom. You know, I didn't know. Whoa. She came over. Got him. We locked the door. We ducted the windows.

Starting point is 00:55:50 Oh, yeah. Yeah, right. Of course, we were already ready for the Millennium bug, so we had duct tape, extra batteries, candles. That's right. It's a millennium. Yeah. It's a millennium. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:01 Right. Serious business. My parents didn't pick me up. That's lucky. No, I mean, I was in school, yeah. You were over here. You were in Chicago. Yeah, but you want to know something?

Starting point is 00:56:14 We had the Sears Tower, and they were really afraid that it was also going to happen there. It was a real thing. You need the British Tower. Yeah. The Willis-Doward. Yeah, okay. Yeah, but I hear you. I hear you.

Starting point is 00:56:24 I was in school, and they brought us into an auditorium and said, everything is fine. And then they said, everything's fine. And then they said, go home. But as we were leaving, you got, you went home? Kids, well, kids, their parents were there. Everybody worked in the city. Yeah. So that kids were finding out that parents were there and could have died and all that.

Starting point is 00:56:47 It was insane. Benny? You want to be honest? Yeah, you go, you know. We'll have a bite each. We'll cut, enjoy a meal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fine. This is great.

Starting point is 00:56:59 This looks great. This is beautiful. I can't believe. Very pretty. It is. Right? Nice self. Hey.

Starting point is 00:57:08 Dude, this guy, he's solving a deck. I know, he's pretty good. Thank you. Mike. For appearances. Yeah. Just take off the muxi. Fuck yourself.

Starting point is 00:57:26 All right, man, jaude. Yeah. Hot of cheese. Yes. Mmm. Ooh. I mean, that's good. You can't be crushed.

Starting point is 00:57:41 That is delicious. All right, good. Like Pepe's. Oh, by you. I like that Pepe. Joy. Frank Pepe? Frank Pepe.

Starting point is 00:57:50 Oh. It's better than a salad. Yeah, he's a chair. I'm a salads, man. Oh, yeah. I apologize. Oh, my God. I haven't gone to, it was only clothed.

Starting point is 00:58:01 It's closed. Which is, which is for one. I'll get back. Anyway. All right. This is delicious. Yeah. We're going to eat a whole bunch more.

Starting point is 00:58:13 And we will see you after. Anyway, we're here at the Da Fury studio where I recorded my first record. I used to rehearse down here a long time ago. This is on Spring Street. My friend's father owned the building. And we used to come right down here. A lot of hardcore records were right down here. I used to go like this.

Starting point is 00:58:33 Yo, Vitty! And my friend Tommy lived over there on the floor. And I used to yell up. And I still do. I still yell. He passed away. But I still yell up. Tommy!

Starting point is 00:58:47 Anyway, this was a place. The New York Harcourt. The car car car sound was crafted. The car car, sound was right in here, right in this spot right here. Really cool. Yeah. And he lived above, right? No, he lived right here in the storefront.

Starting point is 00:59:03 And he had the basement, the studio in the basement. Unbelievable. And my aunt and uncles, they lived up here too. Really? Yeah, they owned the building. How did you meet, Don? Yeah. I live two feet away from the guy.

Starting point is 00:59:18 You know? I was, you know, I would go to. CBGBs before with CBGBs he'd be there like whatever or Max's Kansas City it was around right now you know what neighborhood is Max is in like right off 14th Street I guess the beginning of midtown okay okay I close enough for me to walk okay okay so I used to walk there and back chief baxter won't take a cab so you had to have been in one of the first bands to record here yes I was one of the first bands to record here and then after I did the United Blood and the victim in pain,

Starting point is 00:59:53 then all the bands came down. How could you not? Yeah, it was a hot studio at the time. And I just did the 40th anniversary of United Blood. That's right. At Don Fury's under studio, he moved to Albany.

Starting point is 01:00:08 Oh, wow. And he got a studio, and we did the record 40 years later. Wow. Not every song, but like a bunch of them. Live. One take? Live one take.

Starting point is 01:00:21 That's awesome. It's beautiful. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you got to do one take. Love it. That's how it was supposed to be. Yeah. It's actually the same drum kit that it was recorded.

Starting point is 01:00:31 Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. That guy we got Mike Dejan hit. How about that? Really. Don't mind me. I just play you to Ben.

Starting point is 01:00:38 Thank you, Dan. So we're leaving a show and we're driving up to Albany to do a show, and Don's up in Albany. Yeah. And Roger just says put in a different address for the G. I was like, what's up? He goes, we're going to Don's. He doesn't know it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:57 Don doesn't know it? He had me put it in the GPS and then called Don and says, we're coming over. I mean, you can't say no. And he's like, just get the place ready. We're going to record some songs. And Don was so excited. He was, wow. Wow.

Starting point is 01:01:14 That's lovely. I was a fly on the wall to see that. Yeah. And he was so enthusiastic and so psyched. that he was just sitting there like doing this while they were tracking the songs live in the room yeah yeah he was really excited

Starting point is 01:01:28 that's 40 years later he's like this recording recorded all so you're not 40 years off your life you know what I mean yeah I don't even have 40 years in the knock off my life yeah we were shitting in your diapers or something absolutely yeah that's unbelievable

Starting point is 01:01:43 it's 42 but nobody's counting yeah so this is where I recorded my first records I used to rehearse down there with my other bands before agnostic fun too but I never recorded with those I don't know what happened to those demos so there were demos yeah

Starting point is 01:01:59 by other bands the Eliminators but I don't know God I wish I had those demos now but yeah we used to bang on the thing I recorded it on a 16 track Wow yeah danced for the time

Starting point is 01:02:13 yeah but the best is you know it ain't too much right it bleeds into other mics I like the eight track. Sure. 16 track is better. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:26 You know? Because everybody was doing the eighth. The eight track was a big. You can be the time separate. Right. Yeah. You know? But that's it.

Starting point is 01:02:34 The famous worlds. Amazing. Where I made these fucking records. You made a record here too. Right? We did some first outburst recorded here. Miles ago. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 01:02:47 Yeah. Miles ago was done here? No, not here. The demo. The demo. The demo. Miles to go was recorded in East of Tockeet, Long Island. Oh.

Starting point is 01:02:55 It's a case anybody was wondering. There you go. Okay, so there it is. Don Fioris. Thank you. That's history. Right here. Right here.

Starting point is 01:03:05 Right. Literally. People walk over it. Everybody's got to do that. That's what they did. That's good luck. Anyway, let's have some coffee over here. Man, you guys are awesome.

Starting point is 01:03:17 You're awesome. Thank you guys for. you know, a wonderful day over here. This is the greatest day possible. Yeah. I can't think of a better way to end this day. Right? How would you have spent the normal Monday,

Starting point is 01:03:30 did you? Same thing? If you weren't walking around with a bunch of people following you. I would just practice my guitar. The dish, well, I got to get ready for tomorrow. The ladies come to clean my house.

Starting point is 01:03:42 Right. But other than that, yeah. Let me ask you something. When you pick up that guitar, which is a very recognizable guitar, by the way, Do you have a riff that you just automatically play? Well, no. Not necessarily.

Starting point is 01:04:00 Here, coffee, guys? I'll take the coffee, please. Come on. Thanks. Guys, let's enjoy this. Thank you, Vinny. Thank you, thank you. You guys, appreciate it.

Starting point is 01:04:11 Oh, buddy. Cool. The ladies come in the perfect. The ladies come up. The lady's coming tomorrow. Thank you, Michael. Thank you. Oh.

Starting point is 01:04:20 These are Ganoly's from Queens. Mike DeGon got them from me. That's beautiful. Yeah. That was a good canoly. That's very good. Anyway, I was saying this was, Moni's Gosecée. This drop house, used to leave all his camera equipment up here.

Starting point is 01:04:35 In here. This apartment. Wow. This is where I had the saint in this apartment. And in 1925, 27, this used to be Vincent Cole's apartment. He worked for the outfit. He invented the drive-by. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 01:04:49 Yeah, he was one of Al Capone's guys. Okay. They sent him back here. He was German. But the murder recuperated, they used Jewish, German, Italian. You know what I mean? Inventing the drive-by. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:03 What if we drive? Yeah, yeah. It's all bombing there. Genius. Vinnie, how long has your family been in this apartment? Since 1925. 1925. Yeah, it'll be 100 years next year.

Starting point is 01:05:16 Wow. That's unreal. Wow. I don't even, my family hasn't even been in America for a hundred years. Yeah, good point. Yeah, all my uncles, like I said, my grandfather made wine in the basement when my mother and father got married. My son's my father's neighborhood, they had the wedding on the roof, football wedding. There were a couple of roofs.

Starting point is 01:05:40 They were throwing sandwiches from one roof to one other. Football wedding. Yeah, this is what they call a football wedding back then. I had my pitching coop on the roof. I used to rehearse in the basement. down here, like Oldfield courtyard, you hear me back in the old days, you know?

Starting point is 01:05:55 The big amps and everything. And all the old ladies love me, you know. Why? How could they not? Because I carried their groceries up when I was a kid. For respect. You were a nice boy. For respect. And that's a lot of stairs. You know? There's a lot of stairs. And they don't, you know,

Starting point is 01:06:12 and don't you take any money from them. Like, you know, they'll try to give you a corny, you'll give you a dollar, you know. So I Have my kid do the same thing You know to some people in the neighborhood You know And I said

Starting point is 01:06:26 And I told him, oh, you take money I got the same thing now You never You never ever had the urge to leave you This is where you'll be born You're gonna die You're gonna die here This is apartment B-15

Starting point is 01:06:37 Right next door to me is B-16 And Jimmy Silesi and Gene Silesi And Gene Silesi used to live there Mm-hmm Jimmy Silesi He was in World War II and he got kind of his face shadowed off a little bit. Yeah, like the eye, you know,

Starting point is 01:06:52 he got blown up, you know. And he worked for Fannie Farmer. He was always with the Guinea T, the black pants, the shoe, you know, like, you know. So he worked for Fannie Farmer. So when I, like, I'd be in the hallway playing when I was like six, seven years old.

Starting point is 01:07:07 Right next door, the lady right here next door. She said, Fancy! Yeah, Jean. Jimmy's got something for you. I knew exactly what it was. I fucking run up these stairs. I sit right out here.

Starting point is 01:07:20 Me, my cousin and Frankie, he used to come out, and he used to pat me on the head, he used to give me the Fannie Farmer. Thank you, Jimmy. And Gene was a pinch chieker. Oh. Oh, I loved it. Oh, yeah. I would like, come on, Gene, pitch my chair.

Starting point is 01:07:40 You know, and I'll never forget that. You know? And I'll never forget that. things like that. Right next door to home was my grandmother. Right over there. Right here, B-18. Same floor here.

Starting point is 01:07:53 Yeah. And my grandmother used to hang the peppers. And they dried them out. And then she would have this big fucking pan, like a cast iron thing, and she put oil and do the peppers in there. And the whole fucking building would smell like peppers. Beautiful, right?

Starting point is 01:08:14 And she'd be out in the hallway. tearing from the pepies, right? And I hear it and she hear, you know, like, Emma. You know, and I used to run up and I used to tell her, Grandma, don't cry. She wasn't crying, you know?

Starting point is 01:08:30 And I used to go run in a kitchen, put my face over hot boiling oil so I could get the tears going on from the peppers. And I come up, look at me, grandma, I'm crying too. And she used to hold me. I never, you can't, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:46 I have no doubt in my mind that you were an adorable child. I was always respectful and all the old ladies like me. I was like 43 years old. I saw Lily Cagiano in the street. She said, Vincent, how are you? You're such a good boy, 43 years old. Right? Good boy is a good boy, and I'm not going to hold you.

Starting point is 01:09:03 So, uh, I said, hey, I go and Lily says, I'm going to go to church right now. I'm going to light a candle for you. I'm not even dead. They're letting candles for you. That's a good boy. Yeah. I'm not even dead. They're lighting.

Starting point is 01:09:16 candles for me because you know that's how good you were yeah it was a good kid's you know you know whatever always respect and stuff like that and you know i think a lot of kids don't know about like that kind of running up the stairs carrying you know whatever yeah i mean you know it's a different generation yeah this will teach yeah they're learning look if you're under 12 watching us. To the 11-year-olds, we're getting them. Yeah. Listen to what you're saying.

Starting point is 01:09:49 Kind of the grocery. Is this the room where you do most of your writing? Yeah. So, all those songs, victim of pain, United Blood, Yeah. Caused for alarm. Yep. This room.

Starting point is 01:10:02 Everybody lived here, too. I feel powerful in here. Fuck, in 1984, we had this thing called The Connection, and it was all Canadian bands. used to come to New York in 1980 and we used to go up there, whatever. You know, I would have four bands sleep in this apartment.

Starting point is 01:10:20 And I know who they are. Blood sausage, Gassenhower, my favorite, vomit and the zits. Vomit and the zits. And countdown zero. Four bands, basically, there were other bands, but I remembered them mostly.

Starting point is 01:10:37 You know, and blood sausages still plays till today in Canada, here and there. Wow. But I don't know all the other bands, like where they are now. If anybody knows out there, come on, get it. Bombing in the Zitz, you got to hit us out. Yeah, in the name alone, I love the name, like, you know.

Starting point is 01:10:55 Jimmy G. in some documentary told a story that, like, people who knew you when they were at Zeeb's waiting for the show or in between the show, if they were friends with you, they could come here and use the facilities. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come get out of the heat. That's a true story. Yeah. One time I'm standing on stage Waiting for Raji's in my house taking a dump

Starting point is 01:11:14 I'm like we're like waiting around I'm like Roger'll tell you that story I love it Shibi Zibi's had no bathroom Right this is it Yeah yeah This was the natural Our mutual friend Lars

Starting point is 01:11:28 Wanted us to ask about Robin Williams once being in here Okay I don't have the glass I put it inside Because I cleaned out my closets Because the ladies coming out I got a maid now The lady's coming

Starting point is 01:11:38 The lady's coming tomorrow. And also the guy from my doorbell. My doorbell's out. He's coming tomorrow. We are. Both at him, 9 o'clock in the morning. So after you guys are gone, I got a... So, yeah, Robin Williams, first of all, he had a day off.

Starting point is 01:11:57 Because Lars sponsored him in the alcohol or drug or whatever. So he had a day off. He came to my tattoo shop. Lars was tattooing. he used to do these little tattoos, of course. Right? So, Robin Williams came, and we put it on the internet that, you know, we're going to be tattooing.

Starting point is 01:12:17 You get a T-shirt, a tattoo, a stick, you know, you hang out with law, whatever, you know, for $100 or whatever it was. It was a good deal. It was just like a promo type thing. So, Robert Williams was there all day long. And people that came in, of course, recognize them. And, of course, they asked for his picture or autograph, something like that. We just go, I didn't, or none of us did because, you know, leave the guy alone.

Starting point is 01:12:42 So after we did the tattoo thing, we went, he took us out to dinner. We all went to Indian restaurant. And some guy ordered, I'll have to chicken Vindaloo. The guy said, yeah, that sounds good. Let me try it. I'll try that. Next guy, yeah, I'll try it. We all ordered chicken Vindaloo.

Starting point is 01:13:02 Right? It's hot. It's the spiciest thing you get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was the winter time. I had chap lips. And I was eating the chicken vindler. And I was going, I was sitting right next to rob him.

Starting point is 01:13:16 He's going, oh, hot little tarot. And I'm trying not to make him be on. Yeah, you know, he can't help it. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't want to like be, tell me jokes. I didn't want to be that guy. You know, because, yeah, so he's like, making fun to me. Like that, okay, whatever.

Starting point is 01:13:34 After that, we all came here. Had coffee, cigarettes, and we started writing songs with Lars and stuff like that. Robin Williams writing some skinhead songs. No, Rob, but we wrote a stigma song here. With Robin Williams and? We're Robin Williams around. It was Mike, Robin, well, influenced by Robin Williams. He got thrown in there and Lars.

Starting point is 01:13:59 Producer credit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got to be the only song he's ever produced. 100%. Emotional credit. Aladdin and stigma. That's the full discography.

Starting point is 01:14:08 Yeah, that's it. So, when Madball started and you were starting a band with a 12-year-old singer, were you excited about that, or was that just like, yeah. Oh, I loved it. Okay. I loved it because he had that high-pitched voice

Starting point is 01:14:22 of a little child. Yeah. I mean, you can't beat that, you know, with the hawkaw and that voice. The shrieky cuts through, you know? Yeah. And I always, and I love the songs, like a colossal man.

Starting point is 01:14:36 That's like my favorite. Yeah. Till today. They hold up to this day. Yeah, you know. It's just so, it meant a lot to me. It still does, even when they did the songs last night. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:48 I was going to say, I was watching you, and I was watching you kind of. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man, I just can't. I try to remember, like, you know, just in case they want me back. They might. You never know. I went for the 30th anniversary or something like that. Got to be ready to get you in that.

Starting point is 01:15:05 That's a year, right? Yeah, that's my idea, the whole idea. You know, get the original line up, go kill it somewhere for a weekend. I'm going to set it off 30 years next year. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, 94. That's what I'm out there.

Starting point is 01:15:16 This is just an idea. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I don't know who thought of it, but I'm down. Wow. I like that. There's a live recording of your last show with them. Oh, yeah? Poor Freddy says, you know, Vinny's leaving.

Starting point is 01:15:32 He's going to be a famous tattooist. Oh, yeah. That's why I said that to the lady. the restaurant today. Is that when you start when that New York Hark Court tattoo? No, anyway, Nassifan's getting back together again.

Starting point is 01:15:44 You know, I had the dad, I had my kid, Nassafront's going to get back together. Famous tattooist. Yeah, you know, so all, it all, you know, I went with it. Yeah. You know, so we went back to Gnostic Front.

Starting point is 01:15:56 And I tell you true, I missed the fucking hell out of man, ball. I miss the hell out of playing in that fucking band. I would kill to see you play those songs. Oh, man, they're just, yeah. The way you play, some of the live videos are you playing those songs,

Starting point is 01:16:13 stomping so hard while you're playing them, oh, I feel you can't beat it. Yeah, I got bone spars with my feet now. I saw you stomped on the Don Fury grade just fine. The what? The Don Fury basement cover. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got a little good to it, though.

Starting point is 01:16:32 It's not a stage. It's not a play, actually. We'll get me at the stage a little bit. We'll put a trigger on that. In terms of riffs you've written, is there anything that comes to mind where you finished writing a song and you're like, that's pretty good?

Starting point is 01:16:47 I like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. I like that. I mean, how could you know? Yeah. Even Pete Steele kind of robbed that record. He did, block number one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:02 I love that. This is my friend. And so he's allowed to. He wrote some lyrics for you guys. Exactly. Yeah. Because he comes on down. Squid pro, row.

Starting point is 01:17:13 Was he ever here? Yeah. He visited this apartment. Yeah, yeah. He's fucking. Yeah. Yeah, he's like, yeah. What's the sword?

Starting point is 01:17:23 Nah, it's never a big deal. It's just a sword. Just, just decoration. Ceremonial sword, kind of, you know. So when I vowed to someone, you know. That's the sword that you've asked. The sword, I do, and I have to have my tea ceremony and my Japanese friends say prayers over me. I don't want to change speeds here, but, you know, Vinnie, I tried to get a tattoo one time at your tattoo shop when I was 16 years old.

Starting point is 01:17:48 Yeah? And I was denied. How could you do that, too? I went into the city. I took the train into the city from Long Island. You said, come on. You're having to blood. I was 15.

Starting point is 01:18:00 I went because that's the one tattoo shop. I knew where it was in my head. So I went into the city. I went down all the way to the tattoo shop. I walked inside. I was like, I was so nervous trying to get a tattoo. You're a wee six-three at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:16 And whoever was at the desk knew right away what the fuck I was doing. And I thought I was slick. And I was like, oh, I want to. Or you get a tattoo. There you go. So I didn't get it, but I ended up buying an old New York ArtCort tattoos poster. Yeah. But I still have.

Starting point is 01:18:33 Who's running it now? My friend Mike. Mike Mani. Yeah. My buddy. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I played in Stigmata for one show. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:42 Shout out, Mike. No, not that, Mike. No, that's on Mike. But yeah, Mike did my hands. Oh, see? Gorgeous. Yeah, good guy, Mike. He's that floundering, unless I know.

Starting point is 01:18:50 Yeah, he is. Yeah, we talked to, what I talked to about that? I think Valenti I talked to about that, like, a week ago. He said last year, he already was down there. Mike Valetti, another good guy. What was the last record you did with Madball? I did the set it off. I didn't want to do the new record

Starting point is 01:19:11 and be on the record and dip out because you don't do things like that that's not right. Not unless you commit to the record and you do the tour and then when they need a new record then you can dip out. You know?

Starting point is 01:19:25 Yeah, you don't dip out on start. You make the record and then dip out. That's not cool. That's what I'm talking about. I mean, because the rest of the guys. What about the rest of it? You're going to leave them, like, high and dry?

Starting point is 01:19:36 They got to find somebody. Did you ever want to play in a new band? Like, let's say a band, it's all 22-year-olds and you. Yeah, I would. I think that'd be off. I did. As a matter of fact, I did that. I did that, I recorded at Mike Studio, Atomic Studios.

Starting point is 01:19:52 I was in a band called the Zomni Vandals. Oh, yeah. Chris Aras singing in the moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, Midlife crisis, you know? It happens. So I record it. I love the song.

Starting point is 01:20:02 You know, I was playing guitar, you know, it was good, it was good, you know. But the kids, they didn't have it together. You know, they were too punk for their own good. You know what I mean? I got Jamie to sign them. Whoa. I think, well, you know what? You don't want to.

Starting point is 01:20:19 What the fuck is you about it with you? You got bringing you here straight to the fucking life. Truly, yeah, yeah. You know? You brought them right to the threshold. I brought them right there. Because I figured if there's the. the casualties

Starting point is 01:20:34 there's got to be another punk band like them to counterbalance like Chrome Mag's Ignostic Front you know this one and the Beatles

Starting point is 01:20:45 the Rolling Stones you know what I'm saying there's always that you gotta have the two you know but then it's Mad Ball I don't know it's just a family

Starting point is 01:20:57 when I say Mad Ball I say it's like the Agnostic Front family but that's what I wouldn't go Chromeback Ignostic Front to me it would always be Ignostic Front Manball. Well, yeah, we're the family. Yeah, but I hear what you mean, but

Starting point is 01:21:11 I consider it one because it's... The Yung and the Yang. Yeah, the Magnostic Front with all the records, Madball with all their albums, my solo records, Roger's solo records.

Starting point is 01:21:26 We did like at least a quarter of the Neo-Carcore records. Yeah. You know, not a quarter like a lot of them. A good chunk of, you know, a lot of bands, you know, just make four records, and 25 years they don't make a record. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:21:42 You know what I mean? You know, they're touring on the same type of thing. It's classic that people want to see. I mean, people did that for years, you know, playing the same 10 songs. You know what I mean? That they wrote when they were 19. Yeah, you know, those are great songs, you know. It's all that, you know.

Starting point is 01:22:02 But then you become nostalgic. band and then you know and then when you put something else new out it kind of balances it a little bit it's just like you're so used to this

Starting point is 01:22:14 that when you hear that it's like of course it's going to be a different timing a different tempo no matter how you try to keep to the click but it fuck the click

Starting point is 01:22:26 yeah I'm just saying you know what I mean absolutely I mean but even if you look at like United Blood to gotta go like you guys constantly slowly evolved in the perfect way. Right, you've got to be in it

Starting point is 01:22:38 to win it. And you kept yourselves inspired. Yes. Which is amazing. Yeah, definitely. You always got to be, you know, hey, I know exactly who I am and what I am. You know, I know how many records I could sell. I know how many, you know, I would never want anybody to think bad of me. You know, I would never do what that guy did to the Long Island bands, not to mention anybody's name.

Starting point is 01:23:01 That's what we'll leave him out of this. Yeah. But I would never do it. something like that because I don't want this to be talked about me like that. Exactly. You know what I mean? That would bother the hell out of me. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:23:13 It's too late for me. I'm not going to ruin my reputation now. Of course. You know? I mean, I've been a good guy. It takes a good boy. A good boy. That's true.

Starting point is 01:23:22 And you could only lose honor. Wow. It's true. You could only lose it. Sure, you get it somehow. It's bestowed upon you or whatever. but you could lose it by one stupid act, you know? So I'm always kind of aware of that.

Starting point is 01:23:41 It's like drinking and driving. Don't drink and drive. I'm just saying, don't do that. There is a... You got to see ahead of the curve sometimes, you know? 2024. Also, there is a good song that encourages drinking and driving. Oh, well, looking back, I'll have another one.

Starting point is 01:23:59 It's a great song. It's a great song. Vinny, in your kitchen, I see possibly 100, 200 Steins? More. More? Yeah, well, I had them all in the cabinets. Do you know the count? No.

Starting point is 01:24:14 Okay. But I have also, my other apartment, I have shelves like this. Uh-huh. You know? I even have them in boxes in my tattoo shop that I didn't open up in five, eight years. So you've just collected them for years. I just collected them. I'm done collecting.

Starting point is 01:24:30 Okay. You're not now bordering on hoarding. You've got the last one. Yeah, you'll see me in the thing in there with all the beer glasses, you know. We'll be able to get up to see. And believe me, I know a lot of them. I know, like, who gave me glasses. And the nights I was with, there's one over there.

Starting point is 01:24:49 We were in Austria. And my friend Lash was jumping off the bar. And that was the mug from that. He was hitting somebody over the head with the mug. and we wind up with a mug with the guy had hair from cracking him then he kept the murder weapon is what he said

Starting point is 01:25:07 yeah yeah yeah exactly trophy what he's talking about murder trophy yeah my friends give me things I've even passed away I know they're glasses and you know like

Starting point is 01:25:19 who's this handsome bulldog in the frame that's my dog Paulie Paulie the beer drinking dog I know that dog I love that dog he's a dog on 9-11 that I took on the roof.

Starting point is 01:25:31 Oh, wow. Yeah, so. So he's seen some shit. Because I woke up, I got bombed the night before. Right. And I was like a little like kind of like down in my dumps because my mom's in the hospital.

Starting point is 01:25:43 She died on 915. Right. Just right. What a shitty September. Yeah. That was for me. I knew two people that died in the World Trade Center. My friend that was in Johnny the Fireman.

Starting point is 01:25:56 He was in a band called The Bullies. And with my friend Beartre. and a couple of the guys. They were like a Ramonesy type band. Okay. And my friend Santos, he was a shirt and tie, roll up your sleeves, a male guy, you know, like he ran a male thing. Oh, cool.

Starting point is 01:26:16 And he passed away that day. They never found him either, you know? Oh, wow. So when that happened, 9-11, I had to keep my winters close because my, right here, it was like, I go like that. Ash. White. It's supposed to be black.

Starting point is 01:26:32 You know what I mean? Because I would just pick my nose that black that's good. You know, you'd see a white thing. Yeah, that's bad. You know, I could take my dog on the roof because it looks like it lightly snowed. Right. Because of the ash. Whatever that was.

Starting point is 01:26:47 Yeah. Yeah. Right. Silica. That's what got most people. Is it silica? Concrete dust that was in the mix of the air. That got Diana Ross.

Starting point is 01:26:57 That's how she done. Really? True story. Damn. So, you know, that's my dog, Paulie. I loved him a lot, you know. That's it, I'm done. No more dogs, no cats, nothing.

Starting point is 01:27:10 That was it for you? Too painful when they go? Until you meet again. Until we meet again. And someone took them from me and gave him a good life in the end because he couldn't make the stairs. Oh, okay. Yeah, sure. So you did the good thing.

Starting point is 01:27:24 No, yeah. The hard thing. Yeah, but the girl loved them. Yeah, good. You know, and yeah. And she bought another bulldog to keep in company. And she wind up with her bed of breakfast. And, like, the theme was, come visit with the dogs.

Starting point is 01:27:40 Bulldogs bed and breakfast? Yeah. Bulldogs bed and breakfast? I got to go there. Yeah. Somewhere in Rhode Island or something. My way. This is years ago. She, you know.

Starting point is 01:27:50 Yeah. Yeah, but. You were going to say something, Mike. What was that? Go ahead. Go. Forgot. Am I a canola

Starting point is 01:27:59 Was it? Sure. And I'm filled to the brim. Yeah, I am. You're over to the brim. I'm good. Thank you. 87 Nuggets.

Starting point is 01:28:11 Who do you think when, you know, at Mad Ball and A after in your time in those bands, there had been people that have come in and out of the bands, obviously. Who do you think was the person that joined one of those bands that gave you, like, the most spark? Like, they joined the band and you felt like. ready to do the next record, the next tour, like you're excited. Yeah, well, Roger, of course, but we're not counting him now,

Starting point is 01:28:36 but for other people, like, or Maddie Henderson. That's who I was thinking. Where did you guys find him? Along the road somewhere. Really? Yeah. He lived here. So he used to give me guitar lessons.

Starting point is 01:28:48 Like, because, like, my hand would go over here when I play guitar. Like, you're like, come over here, you know what I mean? It was like, had a mind of its own. He used to duct tape my hand to the guitar. Because when I learned how to play guitar,

Starting point is 01:29:01 there were no palm mutes, no gallop. None of that shit, you know? It was just like rhythm. You do the rhythms of whatever. How do you feel about palm muting now? It's pretty cool, right?

Starting point is 01:29:16 I'm not a palm mutter. A little palm mate for the hair, maybe. It's a palm mutter. You're a palm mutter? Who duct tape your hand? me nobody and that's the problem yeah yeah but you know like I didn't have discipline

Starting point is 01:29:32 I had a mind of its own the hand would go like I come over here well that mind of its own wrote some yeah some good songs yeah well guitar playing changed a lot yeah too and then we we throw a little metal in it and then the new style of hardcore

Starting point is 01:29:50 with the slip the groove you know that that's that thing you know you guys did it all I mean, your second LP being full crossover. Yeah. Hard. Right. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:03 And you know what? It took me a long time to like that album. Really? Really? I was like, oh, you know. Even at the time? Yeah. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:30:12 I had a little beef because I wanted to do another hardcore record, like straight up hardcore. But you know what? The timing was right for that. Yeah. Because that's what was going on. And either you're going to do it or you're going to fall behind so on. And then we're going to fall behind so on.

Starting point is 01:30:26 And then. we did as we go along then we did another one voice one voice and that's that was another level of one I don't know if you know how much that has influenced the way every modern man I know yeah I hear you

Starting point is 01:30:41 it's insane like it just because it's not too much of the difference but it is that little bit it's just I'll tell you right now it's a performance record it's not like you go to march

Starting point is 01:30:56 to it. I begged it different. I'll throw myself off a building. I don't know. I'm still got that old school mosh thing going on, you know. You want to slam. You want to slam. What was that like for you to witness the rise of the karate mosh? You saw that happen in real time. Yeah, I saw it happen. That was around 91, 92. Who was the first guy you saw it, you think? Some guy Fred. I remember Fred He was in 25 Anyway Yeah, right

Starting point is 01:31:33 You mentioned Fred Mesk Before Wow Conflicting reports Yeah they would They did do the karate thing And I have to And I don't care if you do

Starting point is 01:31:42 The karate thing But like you know As long as it's fair Like if I'm in the pit with you And I'm dancing And like You know It's one thing

Starting point is 01:31:49 But if I hit you a chief shot That I don't like That's not good Okay You know Keep it even Noted Yeah

Starting point is 01:31:56 You're going to throw a spin kick out there. You've got to eat one. Yeah, well, you know, you got to be fair, you know. Because even I was never that kind of a dancer. I was one of those, let's go have fun kind of guy. Creaky crawler, just sneaking away. Yeah, whatever, you know, anything, you know. I would invent things like dispatchmen, like just be jerky and stupid in the middle of the pit.

Starting point is 01:32:20 Like, you know what I mean? Come in with a tomahawk chop or something stupid. You know what I mean? I would go the extra mile to have fun. You know what I mean? So I, even till today,

Starting point is 01:32:33 because there was a lot of guys, you know, and I wasn't that way, and all the girls loved me because there's a video always protected us in the pit. Come on, let the girls get in there.

Starting point is 01:32:46 It was an A7. It was a small little thing. Come on, they're our girls, you know, let them have fun too, you know? Chicken fights,

Starting point is 01:32:53 we got on the shoulders and do the chicken, I got something now. We played Tampa last year and the club had two like stripping poles

Starting point is 01:33:07 on each side of the stage. Oh yeah. So like halfway through the set and Roger orders him to go out and dance on the pole in the middle of the song. So he goes and he does his burlesque act during

Starting point is 01:33:22 during a song and he made $40. It was stuffing in his hands Yeah, yeah He was like shaking his up Like he worked for it Yeah, I worked for it Yeah, I checked my booty for that one The greatest entertainment

Starting point is 01:33:39 And then people were loving it They were just stuffing me Like, you know I go along with it Have fun Of course You know? Have fun

Starting point is 01:33:47 That's why I like Even now I wrestle Yeah Whatever I do it I'm having a great time You know what I mean It's like

Starting point is 01:33:54 comes to my shows, you know, the wrestling shows. And, you know, now they want to add, like, stigma, the band. Right. You know, on stage, and I'm going to sing in the ring with the wireless mic, like, you know, the way, you know, the rapper, just alone in the ring. And I'm going to see, they love New York Blood, the song, you know. So that's a Rob Lopez. I come out to that, you know.

Starting point is 01:34:15 Okay. That's like my ring. That's a good one, you. It's a good entrance. Yeah. You filmed that at the Astoria Boulevard train station. at the end stop on 31st Street

Starting point is 01:34:27 I always Whenever Rob would come to my apartment He would go You know we filmed the video Yeah Man What can you do? What do you think

Starting point is 01:34:38 If you can remember What's the first band That you ever danced to? I don't know But earlier bands Like the Dead Boys And Stranglers Stranglers

Starting point is 01:34:48 Warranglers Weren't so dancing But I was just Big Shrap Bill. One of the guys should say, I play this club in England. Every time I play, let's say a Friday night, Saturday night you call him, was right after me.

Starting point is 01:35:04 I always leave him a note. Yeah, never met the guy in my life. I leave him notes. Like, you know, like, yeah, I'm Vinny from New York. I love you. You're my friend. I want to be your friend. I make it stupid.

Starting point is 01:35:18 And I give it to the bartender. Don't worry, Vinny. We'll give it to him. Yeah. So it's a stack of those notes. another bar. Still there to this day. We've been asking various

Starting point is 01:35:29 hardcore musicians of different generations, their four favorite hardcore albums, recently, and of course, A.F. and Madball come up constantly. For someone like you who pioneered the genre, what comes to mind

Starting point is 01:35:45 when I ask your favorite hardcore records ever? Okay. I will go to the Fate Void record, maybe. Okay? Wow. because it's a little bit of a combo I don't want to pick what everybody else picks it's more EP like the ready to fight

Starting point is 01:36:11 negative approach I like that record the minor track record you know because that was the time there and to get a little like melodic let's say, uh, bear religion's first album.

Starting point is 01:36:29 Wow. Just to... Those are incredible answers. They're all great records. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're all like, you know,

Starting point is 01:36:34 ace. You know what I mean? I mean, I could give you the usual answer, but like, you know, I switch it around a little.

Starting point is 01:36:41 Tomorrow, they'll be out and put it on somebody else in, you know? Other people's usual answer is victim and pain, set it off,

Starting point is 01:36:48 age of quarrel, etc. Yeah, those are the ones. Okay, is that what you would say the usual answer is? Those are the usual answers.

Starting point is 01:36:55 Yeah. Those are good answers. Yeah. Good answers, too. Another thing that we've been asking, and it's a question that we ask people for months now. I'm really curious to know. We ask who, when you're on stage,

Starting point is 01:37:09 maybe right at the beginning or maybe even today, whatever, spanning your whole career playing guitar. Who are you doing in your brain on stage? Who are you trying to emulate? What style? Who did you think was cool? I just go for it, number one. And sometimes, like, I would be playing a guitar and thinking,

Starting point is 01:37:29 what's my dog doing right now? You know? Oh, oh, he's probably on my couch. Okay, forget it. Let's wake up and play the show. Wow. You know, I just go into my own little world. So you're doing stigma.

Starting point is 01:37:41 Yeah, you're doing stigma. I'm doing it. I'm doing myself. I don't know how to do anybody else. I'm not good enough. I'm like the Bob Muka of hardcore. Oh, my God. So here's another thing we ask everybody.

Starting point is 01:37:53 as touring men just about the only thing we have to look forward to at the end of the show is a nice meal and on the road that nice meal is McDonald's Taco Bell stuff and Nasifrin is on tour

Starting point is 01:38:09 or Madball's on tour whatever. What are you guys looking forward to the most? What's the one like... Food-wise? Food while? What's the fast food stop where you guys are all unanimously like, oh yeah, we're going there? Everybody's got beef.

Starting point is 01:38:23 nightmare, isn't it? See, me, I go anywhere. Okay. I don't want to even be in that conversation. You make up your fuck of mine. When you're ready you're doing, I'll go. Okay. I'm out of this conversation. So you like McDonald's? I'll eat anything. There's no place. I don't like McDonald's, but I'll go. I'll eat it. What you like?

Starting point is 01:38:41 I mean, I live... On the road? On the road, yeah. Popeyes. Good, Anna. That's a good answer. It's a good answer. Yeah. It's a good idea. Right.

Starting point is 01:38:53 There's no place you'll do. say no to. No. Okay. See, no. Maybe likes a good breakfast. Good breakfast. You're a Waffle House guy?

Starting point is 01:39:01 I'll go to Waffle House. I got no problem. I love, I like that bacon, believe it that. I don't eat bacon. Huge. You know? You get a Waffle there?

Starting point is 01:39:09 I get the All-Star. Yeah. Of course, yeah. That's the only thing to get. It's the sensible order. You know, yeah. And I like supporting Waffle House, too. Because there are the fights there?

Starting point is 01:39:20 Those are good fights. They work hard. They do. They do. You call your baby and sweet. I always make sure I leave an extra tip. Absolutely. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:39:28 Yeah. And I took a, you take a little lesson off the Swifty right here. That girl leaves tips. She ain't cheap. Really? Ms. Swift? Yeah. She tipped her crew out $50 million.

Starting point is 01:39:44 $100,000 of each truck driver. Yeah, I heard. Yeah. I love tipping. Yeah. You got a tip. What are you a fucking apt? Tipping?

Starting point is 01:39:53 Well, feels great. Yeah. You're in the bathroom. I don't care. And then, you know, you make somebody's day a few dollars more. I always make sure I try to throw over the 20%. Yeah. I just did 40 at the pizza place.

Starting point is 01:40:07 I understand. Yeah, but I'm just saying, you know. Yeah. You go there all the time. Yeah, so it's $2 on every five. Exactly. Yeah. That's how I count.

Starting point is 01:40:16 Yeah, right. That's how I count, too. Smart man. So I know if it's $50, that's like, like, 10, well how much that 50%? 20 bucks 20 bucks 40% yeah right

Starting point is 01:40:28 I make sure you know and I don't know her music and I think but I know she ain't cheap that's right and I like I admire that yeah that's cool and I check myself now

Starting point is 01:40:40 well I'm a little girl because then somebody goes yo Vinnie's the image was in here tip me 40% yeah yeah no it's true yeah the other night I found money on the floor like a

Starting point is 01:40:51 and I get I thought it was a girl, but it wasn't. And she was like, and then she was looking to think maybe I could take. So I'll give it to the bartender. Call the bartender. I said, I found this money on the floor. He was like, thank you for being honest.

Starting point is 01:41:04 Wow, that was really nice to you. I said, would you like a beer? I'll have a beer. Look at that carmar right away. Instant. $40 beer. Instant. It's a comma, right?

Starting point is 01:41:13 Exactly. Yeah, but you know, it wasn't my money. And I says, you know, nobody claims of money. Put it in the fucking tip jar for the fucking, for the barterman. that news. Absolutely. You know?

Starting point is 01:41:24 I got a crazy question for you. It's October, after all. Halloween? What? You ever seen a ghost? Well, I got locked in that place in Atlanta, Georgia.

Starting point is 01:41:40 What's the place? Where they had the Bear Olympics. The Metro... Was it? The Masquerade? The Masquerade? Oh, yeah. I was in the elevator.

Starting point is 01:41:51 I got locked in there. spooked. In the elevator? No, in the whole place. Oh, shit. I fell asleep in the back. And they closed up the fucking place up with me in there. And no one thought of where the hell is going to be? You're the fucking shit out of that? You're seeing stuff or hearing stuff?

Starting point is 01:42:06 I don't know. I'm feeling it. Yeah, yeah, all right. I'm feeling it. That upstairs is weird. No, yeah. Yeah. This is the old masquerade. Yes. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:15 That place called fire years ago. It was a cotton gin, a mill or something like that. That makes sense because think of. that area. It was all industrial. Right. And they caught fire and a bunch of people died of something. Oh, it was haunted. You were in time. Exactly, yeah. You never know if one of those spirits came with you

Starting point is 01:42:33 somewhere. Oh, hey. I'm just saying. They don't want to hang around me. Yeah, no. Like that. He tips are good. Yeah. He's got in fun.

Starting point is 01:42:41 He can't even annoy this guy. Here's a tip. Get out of here. Thank you. 40%. Holy shit. Well, this was just about the best day possible, wasn't it? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:59 Vinny, we can't thank you enough for... Yeah, wow, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for showing us your neighborhood and giving us your evening. Yeah. It's a pleasure. Yeah. Vinnie Stigma, New York Arcord, the godfather.

Starting point is 01:43:11 The literal godfather of New York Corpour. Thanks, Mike DeJohn, hooked it up with you guys. Mike DeJohnne. The other gods, the other godfair. My favorite ripper. Yeah. Vinny, this was perfect. You're the man, truly.

Starting point is 01:43:29 Thank you, brother. Thank you, sir. Thank you all for watching. Thanks, Minnie. This has been, this is the conclusion of our time in New York. This was unbelievable. We'll see you next week. Maybe. This might be the end.

Starting point is 01:43:42 What else are we going to do? What's left? I'm like, keep a man. Yeah, perfect. You can't get out. That's my bed now. At 9 a.m., I'll be here when the lady comes. She can try to clean me.

Starting point is 01:43:54 Yeah, we'll see. See you next week.

HardLore - Vinnie Stigma (Agnostic Front)

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