HardLore - Weekend Nachos (John Caution & Drew Brown)

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

Colin and Bo sit down with John Caution (singer) and Drew Brown (bass) of legendary Chicago hardcore/powerviolence band Weekend Nachos after announcing their return to the stage this November, at the Chicago Metro with Harms Way. Since starting in 2004, Weekend Nacho's path has lead them through every single corner of extreme music, with an indefinable crossover appeal that brought together hardcore, crust punk, and metal fans alike. Find out why now was the right time to return to the stage, how Drew came into the band after John was left to carry it by himself (several times) and how their IMMENSE discography came together. Weekend Nachos is back! Join the HARDLORE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/jA9rppggef This episode is brought to you by Loop Earplugs! Try a pair of Loop Earplugs by using https://www.loopearplugs.com/HARDLORE and receive an automatic 10% off at check-out, applicable world wide. Join WHATNOT with our special little link to get $15 off your first purchase. Get ready for the first ever Hardlore live auction TOMORROW, March 24th at 8:30 PM EST: https://www.whatnot.com/invite/hardlore Get 20% OFF @manscaped + Free Shipping with promo code HARDLORE at MANSCAPED.com! #ad #manscapedpod FOLLOW WEEKEND NACHOS: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/weekendnachos2004/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/weakenednachos FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/hardlorepod/ TWITTER | https://twitter.com/hardlorepod SPOTIFY | https://spoti.fi/3J1GIrp APPLE | https://apple.co/3IKBss2 FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/colinyovng/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/ColinYovng FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/bosxe/ TWITTER | https://www.twitter.com/bosxe Check out our merch at https://knotfest.com/store/?view=hardlore Find all of our videos at https://knot1.co/3vWXsbx #HardLore #WeekendNachos   HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf Join the HARDLORE PATREON to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episodes. Join the HARDLORE DISCORD for community discussions and to participate in our future Q&A episodes. FOLLOW HARDLORE: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER, SPOTIFY, APPLE FOLLOW COLIN: INSTAGRAM FOLLOW BO: INSTAGRAM, TWITTER   For sponsorship opportunities, email us! [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Should I take it away this time? Because these are my boys? Yeah, take it away, Bob. My daddy? Dude, it feels good when your hands on my leg. I'm not going to lie. That's why I do it to him. It does it so much.

Ready? Yeah. Hello and welcome. It's our Lord time. How are you, Colin? I'm good. It's hello, welcome. There's no and, but yeah, keep going.

I'm so good. Tell me about our guests. You can fix that in post, right? Today, we are joined by two of my favorite men. We got Andrew Brown and John Hoffman from Weekend Nachos who just announced a very exciting comeback. Thank you. How are you? I'm full of tacos.

Good. John, so Drew wanted to eat but couldn't before. So we're going to eat after this. But John and I just ate. We're going to eat again. We're going to have second dinner. John had five tacos. And rice and beans.

And rice is the man's stuff to the gills. I got a taco dinner, which came with three tacos and rice and beans. And then the pastor and the assata was so good. I had to get one more of each. And I plan on having another dinner. Dessert tacos. Is that what you've been up to since 2017, eating good or what? I mean, I don't know if there's any possible other thing I've been up to.

Yeah. So, yeah, that's, we were talking about that off air briefly. Oh, yeah? Like what I've been doing since Natchos broke up? It actually was the cause of the breakup on our, we were on tour in Europe and a European friend of ours, Lisa,

approached John at a Berlin show and said that, oh no, you've gotten so fat, it's very sad. And that's, You be so gross. That's not only what broke up the band, but what started my depression that resulted in me eating tacos every single day. Wow.

So here we are. Yeah. These Germans, they'll do that to you, you know? These complexes that they create. Have I told my story about the first This is Hardcore we played? I forget if I've told that story. I would imagine so. Yeah.

Well, it was our first time playing This is Hardcore and a friend from Germany Was Like greeted me afterwards. This is right before James did the Coke thing. And That's my favorite. This person came up to me and said,

Yeah, I was watching a set, but it was kind of boring, so I left. That's awesome. Just like leveled me, you know? Holy hell. Like, why? You know what? That's crazy.

Like, those comments like, man, you've gotten really fat. The first one you get in like sixth grade sticks with you to the end of your life. You think about it every time you look at an onion. So now it's been six years since that. Dude, here's the thing. Here's the thing.

I feel like, I mean, I'm not, I'm not happy about gaining some weight. I don't know who would be. But, but let me just say this. I was like really, insanely thin. Yeah. Up until like five minutes ago.

Wow. And then all of a sudden there's just like like pig champion instant. Fuck yeah. Like I took pig champion pills or something. Well, here's the thing. What is poison idea without pig champion? Exactly.

And what's a bunch of guys? What is gotta have one? And what is weekend nachos 2024 without me? Without so fat and sad. Without a little weak day, nachos worked in, you know what I'm saying, brother? Week morning, weekday, weeknight, all, all the nachos all day.

So let's talk about the history of wick and nachos a little bit. Got a great picture here that I can. You're looking for it? I can show us of what John. Just see it like as a young man. Yeah, I'll edit it in. I can show it later. Wow, wasn't that incredible?

A literal child. Let me see it. Let me see it. It's your super sleuth photo. Oh, yeah. Little baby. So, John, I'll be honest. When he said your last name was Hoffman, I had no idea. Yeah.

Probably. I thought caution was it was your Christian government. Well, he ain't Christian, brother. No, that's what I'm saying. Listen. Clearly. I am Christian and I am government. So.

Yeah. A lot of people don't know. Yeah, this is John caution. I think we just docks to John live on. the episode. Thank God. Somebody finally has to. Dude, it is, it has been

many years coming. So, good. So Nacho started. Yes. You were in a bunch of bands, including bands we were in together. Of course. Including,

but Nachos first started before Harm's Way began, right? Right. Nacho started in September of 2004. Right, with a demo. Which is crazy because we're coming up on 20 years.

Holy shit. Yeah. Well, it'll be 20, years in like a year. Yeah, right. But I got you. Do you still remember demo songs?

Like how to play them? Oh, yeah. Dude, John. Honestly, Colin, John is similar to you in the way his brain works with music where it's just like. And food. And food, apparently. Where it's just like, oh, that drum part goes like this. Nice.

Or like that riff goes like, like he's got a fucking. Like he reminds the guy who wrote it how to play. Yes. Dude, the weirdest. What the most thing John is done with songwriting, in my opinion in the studio is he can have a song in his head that he's never physically played on any instrument before. Sit down at the drums, record the final take, straight, one take by himself, and then build the song on top of it without ever having played any of it before. A savant. It's one of the few talents that I have.

I mean, the song was horrible. But he knew it so well. Really well executed. You have to take into context that the music is fucking horrible. But it's it's mastered in the studio. Yeah, yeah.

You guys have so many fucking songs too. Dude. We're like the... You know all of them? Still? Well, I don't think I could play any of them. Yeah, right. I mean, I wrote them on an acoustic guitar that was like missing strings and tuned the standard E.

Like I write all my music. What tuning is nachos in? A standard. A standard. Which I think. Just showing off. Is that what Zabalba is in? I think so.

I think so, too. Because, yeah, I think so. And I think corn tunes to that too. Yeah, but they play seven. There you go. The big three. Well, like it. Dude, we had, Andy always played a seven string,

and we had a five-string bass on the demo in the seven-inch, too. I was unwilling to play a five-string, so I modified a four-string. And that is why Wika Nachos was infinitely better before Joy Drew. Before Joy, Drew. Before Joy. Before my man, Joy here, drew our band. Where did caution come from?

Ah. To the wind? Did you sing or did you play drums? I played drums. In a band called Proceed with Caution. Yep. Proceed with caution. I was 14.

Drew actually made fun of me when we met because him and his friends were like these crazy bullies. And they all thought that I was like, what, like seven years old or something? The photo will really help this land. Yeah. Here it is again. A child being bullied by grown men. No, they were... 14 year old.

That's old enough. They were my age. We're all the same age. The German adult gives him the eating disorder. Yeah, right. Think about that. American bullies still nicer than German regular people. That's right.

Just regular thoughts. I will say if to all the Mexican restaurants that have benefited from my wallet, they can just reach out to Lisa from Germany. and be like, thank you. Much is great. Thank you so much. Yep.

Where were we? We were talking about just nachos. Who was in the lineup in the beginning? So it was me. This dude Ron, Ron, who is actually in a band called Bongripper. That's like,

I don't know how many people listening to this might know that band, but they're like a pretty well. They're out there. They're like a well-known, substantial. Doom band. Andy Nelson,

who is, we'll get to this in a bit but Andy quit for a while and then rejoined and is part of like the main lineup forever basically but Andy was in the band initially and then this dude Adam Tomlinson

played drums. That's right. Who is in sick, tired, and sea of shit. Those are like his two bands that are the most well-known. And I remember the early shows were like I don't know how to put it but just so different from what we had been doing.

You know, like, few in the proud. John played drums and few in the proud. And it was just like, that was so, that was like outburst and kind of youth crew. And just like what he was getting into, I remember it being like, holy shit. Like, this is fucking, this is crazy. It was like, okay. So, you know, obviously like power violence had had been around. But like aside from like mind eraser,

or like, you know, maybe even think I care to some degree because they were obviously influenced by like infest. Like power violence was not the household name in like the regular hardcore scene that it is now. You know, like, no, not at all. Like a band like, you know, I'm keep in mind, I'm a little out of touch. Okay. So some of this might sound like bullshit or whatever. But like I would imagine a band like Gulch, right?

You know, like there are fans might be like, oh yeah, like there are power violence ban. You know, like something like that. But like, I will say that in like 2004, like in the regular hardcore scene, like there's still like majority of people would be like what's power violence? You know? Yeah. Like the, like your last beat was was was rare. Right, right. Your average hardcore kid would have to be into bands like infest and siege to even know what power violence was is my point.

Which, which, um, it's, it's important to note weekend nachos is crossover. because when I was in high school and you guys were touring and like finally playing California, the people I saw at Weekend Nacho shows were like the other music kids from my high school. Right. Interesting. Like I'm with my group of friends in like dying fetus hoodies and hate red shirts.

But the like Los Crudos kids are at the weekend nachos shows. I'm like, what the fuck are they doing? Because you got them, you got everybody. Totally. And I will say that like when Weekend Notches initially started, I would say that's like the crowd that we would expect. It's like Los Crudos, Infest, you know, Charles Bronson, shit like that. Not people that are into hate breed or dying fetus. However, at some point it took a turn where like I would almost say more people at Weekend Notcho shoes would be into bands like that.

Yeah. Then like they realized you're going fucking. Tintin Tintin, Tintin, kent. Somewhere in there is the craziest pit you've ever heard for five seconds. Right. Totally. And I guess it's when reviewing the history of the band, at some point, we'll get to the point where that kind of started. Yeah.

Right. Yeah, because this is pretty straightforward. I don't want to say straightforward in a diminutive way, but, you know, like, not very multidimensional when it came to. Right. The early stuff you could argue is like a little bit more like straightforward power. violence. Yeah.

I mean, there's still some stuff on there that maybe people that were into fast core and shit like that would be like, we're not used to this. So you had like a couple demos and then torture? We had one, we had a demo tape that came out like right when the band started. Yeah.

We recorded it out of like our first practice with one mic. It sounds amazing, obviously. Yeah. And seven inch came out. We did a split. And then after that split, I believe personally, when I'm reflecting back, I believe this is where that turn took because then we did four songs for a relapse

records comp that like Scott Hall from Pig Destroyer put together. And I would say like he's kind of like who the metal community would probably consider if they knew this. They would say like he discovered us because like he's the person that got us on that comp and really like got us involved with relapse records. And I believe around there is where you would say that we started to write like hate breed for wimps. Yeah.

And what year was that? I want to say that was probably around like, oh. Eight or nine, seven, eight nine. Yeah, it was, it was probably 2007, I want to say. So this is, so Harmsway demo was 2006. And John played bass at that time. I think John skipped over the entire first weekend. I just got to be for the record.

I forgot to mention we did have an entire full length before those relapsed songs. Was that just you and A. Ross at that time? Right. Yep. So there's another, there's a guy who I talk about often. A. Ross. Yeah. He's done tons of shit for Harm's Way.

Yep. He's filled in for us. He was in a bunch of bands from here. And then can we talk? Did everybody just like quit? Uh, it's kind of a long story. Can you make it short? I think so.

John is difficult, um, is the, the summation. Yeah, I'm, I'm a, what, what was the, the shirt that was getting a picture of me and it was just going to say difficult cock sucker? That's, that's, that's, that's the idea that we, we never ended up, it never came to fruition. I need one for the next by next, Thursday. That's, that's one of the designs we should do for the. Yeah, absolutely. After this, they're going to be creaming for it. That's amazing.

The hard lore crowd is definitely going to eat that shit up. They're in, dude. What is Calabunga Records, John? Oh, Calabunga Records was the label that put out our first record. It was run by my late friend, Nick Lovero, who passed away, I want to say, like, maybe two years ago at this point. Wow. He and I put out the first week of Nacho 7 Inch together on tooth decay records. which was our label.

Yeah. And then he, like, started his own label. I actually named the label. He was, like, trying to think of names. And I was like, call it. I would have bet my fucking life on my time. That you named Calabunga. I was like, dude, you should call it Cowabunga Records.

And he was like, that's awesome. And I was like, I know, I know. And his logo was a Bronosaurus. Jesus Christ. You got the discography pulled up over there, Colin? I do, yeah. He's a pro. Yeah, I love it.

I love it. I'm glad you could come at me with that. So, of course. Oh, yeah. So how did A-Ross come into the fold? Andy basically quit to, he quit Week of Nachos to pursue this pop punk band that him in his high school friends.

Our friends from high school had started. You know, people were all friends with, like people from Chicago. Dave went on to play in harm's way. Yeah, Cronin. Dan was in the band as well. Yeah, he was, he played Basin 2Suite.

Dan Pollock from left-hand path. And like rats. And like rats. And like rats. Great Lake Supergroup at this point. Yeah. So he quit. Thank you, Colin.

I noted. You're welcome. I heard that. Basically, they were trying to do that band like full time. Like they wanted to like just literally hit the road for like years to do that. So Andy decided to quit Weeka Nachos to do that. They were called Too Sweet. That was the band.

And that's basically where I kind of begged Eros to join weekend nachers. Like, backstory, Aaron and I have been friends since high school. Like he's like one of my oldest friends. I've actually known Drew longer, which is funny. But we're not old friends. We're not very good. He's one of your oldest friends. Not very good.

Drew and I are not very close. We're business associates. Drew and I. What about you and Bo? When did you meet Bo? I met Bo. I know exactly when we met. I know the day we met.

Was it at the Against Me show? No. No, it was at the stand and fight show. Oh, yes. That was when I met you and James. Stand and fight and in the red at the sports place. And time to die? Did time to die open?

Yes, they did. They did. Didn't Down the Nothing play too? No, that was the mental show. All right, anyway. Tell me about that experience real quick. Tell me about Young Bo. Oh, yeah.

Little. So fuck. Yeah. Bo? Okay. So like, obviously you know Bo very well. But I would say that like a part of Bo, even though you probably know like a lot about Bo, a part of Bo still remains as like a misfits fan. Right. So picture like a mini like 15 year old about to turn 16 with like black hair and like looks kind of like a mixture of like a real punk kid. And also maybe just like a little bit of. a hot topic in there? Definitely. Yeah. And like you get little bow.

Just a misfits guy. That's way cooler than most things you could be. Most importantly, very straight edge. Yes, absolutely. So you take those things and then you'd sprinkle the edge on. I bought the edge hoodie that day. Totally. Still have it.

Yeah. And you know what's great about our group of friends? We're all still straight edge. That's true. Actually, everybody from few in the proud? Everyone, Drew who replaced me on drums. Hofacker's not.

Hofacker wasn't in free on the proud. No, but Hovecker was in Horm's Way. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the one. But like, okay. He wasn't an original. That's true. The original guitarist of Harm's Way

is still straight-edge. Me? No, I thought you were talking about Crucial Kyle. No, no, no. That was a practice with him. Yeah, anyway, we're getting off. We're getting way off.

Crucial. I was the original. If Crucial Kyle, whoever he is, wasn't still straight-eyes, I would kill myself. That sounds like what everybody's name was in like the mid to late 90s. 100%. Dude, the goofiest names.

I never got a nickname because there's only really ever one bow, so you don't really need one. No, we called you Bozo on the double-cross test press. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. John is on the cover of the double-cross test press, which is just out of camera, so that's good. Bo. This man just dropped Bozo on me, and you think I'm ever going to let that go? We didn't.

See, the thing is it didn't. stick. Like, we didn't call him Bozo or anything. But I remember Chris, Chris and I were, like, designing the test press for the... John, it's going to stick now. Oh, man. You know, it's funny? It's like the opposite of the Seinfeld thing where I don't assume that people outside of Chicago know who Bozo is. Oh, like the clown?

Yeah. Well, they're going to know Bozo. We all, no, Bozo is he got out. He got out. He broke. Well, we know Bozo. They're going to. going to know who Bozo 2024 is now. They're going to see the beginning

of this episode, the names are going to pop up. People are going to be like, who's Bozo looter? You know, I'll have to say this. I think my work is done. I could probably just go home. Yeah, you're probably good. This episode is done. This contribution is truly monumental. We

Harmsway, the first real Harmsway show was trying to change the subject. I really am. The first real Harm's way show was at a Nacho show at DePaul. That's correct. Dude, can we, let's briefly talk about DePaul shows. Okay. Because a lot of the people listening are like our age group, believe it or not.

Okay. And specifically like have talked to me about that time period. Like mid 30s? Yeah. Late 30s. Early to mid 30s. Okay. So like.

Old fuckers. So like talk about how to Paul how cool and like important to Paul was. I mean, okay. So I don't remember who was it Gideon? Did the shows there? Gideon did a bunch. I just saw it. Hi, Viz.

Still going to shows. Nice. This dude Gideon, who we all agree is awesome. Great guy. He, uh, listener of the show. Drew. You like this Gideon guy? Backed.

Also, I think, wasn't Mark Hurst involved? Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. Punch in the face. Yep. Right. Yep. Um, so these two dudes literally found a way to do shows inside a classroom at a college.

DePaul University. Yep. DePaul University. That's where the shows were. In a classroom, like a literal blackboard. And it would be like the set times on the blackboard and shit. Yeah, not like a gym or something. Just like one regular 30-person classroom.

Just economics. Yeah. As in like you have to move the desks out of the way. And I remember writing things on the chalkboard for the show. And there were fucking like every tour. I mean, mental went through there. All the Boston bands always came through. Yep.

Righteous jams. 86 mentality. it fucked up played there. Yeah. It was just, and what was crazy was it was like short lived. It was like four years more or less because it's like someone went to school and then stopped, you know.

That's that same with the metal. So one of the first harms way shows, was it the first terms way show? It was the first real one. Remember we played kind of in Freeport? Freeport. Yeah, that was so fucking weird. Yeah, that was just,

that was weird. Remember those people wanted to fight us for like no, literally no reason? Anyway. Colin, you'll love this. The first note of the Harmsway set. The first note Harmsway ever played, James crushed a mic to pieces.

Really? It literally fell apart in his hand. An SM57? Probably not. It was modeled after one. It was a knockoff for sure. It was an MS-75. And the best part about that show is that James took a show.

shirt off, like right at the beginning of a set. And right after he did that, A. Ross took his shirt off and started like doing this like scah circle pit to Mosh for Armsway. Now you're talking. Dude, I wish A Ross was in here right now, actually. I really wish that. A. Ross is awesome. Anyway, so I like the idea that nachos and Harmsway kind of blossomed separately but together, kind of from the same route. Totally. And to this day, we still like kind of mirror each other. And I've always really liked that. And we've all been in harm's way. It's true. And everyone in nachos besides Laude has played in harm's way. Wow.

And you've all had your own harm's way exodus. It's true. Tell me about quitting Harm's Way. Oh, wait, we'll get there. No, you know what? Tell me about joining harm's here. Yeah, we'll get there. Dude, this is my. And then we'll have some fun. This is my fucking chance.

Dude, I followed John twice. Yeah. into few in the proud and then in arms. That's true. Wow. That's true. I'm just cleaning up. My successor.

Can we talk about why you quit a few in the proud? Oh. So I kind of quit bands a lot. But few in the proud, if I remember correctly, was offered a spot on the gorilla biscuits show. We were supposed to like open for gorilla biscuits. And I was like, I don't want to open for gorilla biscuits. Yeah. You just weren't, you weren't feeling.

Dude, he took a hard stance. Too much pressure or you just weren't into it? Yeah, I was like. Anti-reunions. Yeah. Which is funny because how long, yeah, I know, I know. How long ago was that? That was probably 2003 or four?

No, no. It wasn't better. Five. Four or five. No, it was 2005. It was before harms. Yeah, okay, five. So like, think about how many reunions there have been in 18 years.

All of them. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like literally all of them. Demise. I remember, I remember I thought, you know, keep in mind, this is like 18 years ago. So, you know, it really, for me, like reunions all kind of depend. You know, like, it's just some of them I'm going to be like, oh, that's awesome.

And some of them are a bit like, no. Yeah. I'm not going to see that, you know. But with with Gorill Biscuits, I remember they were doing like a Paul Frank shirt at the time, which, you know, 18 years ago, me thought was lame, you know. Yeah. I just, at that point, like, I'm convinced that anybody could reunite and I would have been against it at that time.

Yeah. You know, I just, I just would have been. That's not. Which that was pre- Negative Approach reunion. Would you have been against that? I don't think I was, like, gung-ho about the negative approach for union, but I think I still found that to be, like, more crucial than, like, a gorilla biscuits for whatever reason. Well, negative approach was a ban for,

three fucking years. Yeah, right, right. Yeah. And changed everything and disappeared. So that makes sense. Yeah. And I think that like it also depends on like, I don't know, how are you going to explain how someone that's like 22 years old thinks?

Yeah. Yeah. You know, like I would not want to know myself at 22 years old. Like, oh my God, dude. I was truly brainless before 25. Yeah, exactly. And like, I don't really think I've improved much now. But I definitely have.

still improved a little. I remember, do you remember this? So Drew then started playing for a few in the proud. Yeah, I straight up set up. Yeah. I think I told you guys. I said, if we play that.

If we play that, I'm not, I'm not in the band anymore. And you guys were like, well, we want to play it. So. And so we did.

And I don't remember there being any. No, there wasn't. No, there wasn't. No, he. No.

And also like, because remember we started writing what would become convicted stuff. Yep. And like you weren't really feeling it too much. Minest the one song. We had two. songs that I like kind of wrote with you guys and that became like the convicted demo. Yeah.

Because you guys recorded both of those. Yeah, those two songs. Do you remember this when we were on our way to the show in the fall of boy band? Bernie, Bernie was talking about what he was going to say. And we were like, Bernie, don't fucking say that. Shane is doing the show. Like, don't like, you don't have to say. He was going to say whatever about, about basically agreeing with John about a reunion being

kind of silly. for the band. But opening for the band. So it's like, well, you know what? Dude, you know what? Just real quick, I remember that being like a sort of selling point to keep me interested in doing the show. I remember Bernie saying like, if we play the show, like, I can say something on stage about it. Oh, yeah.

And I remember looking at him and be like, why don't we just not play the show? But anyway, I think I kind of snapped at Bernie. He was like, dude, don't fucking say that. And he was like, the way you're talking to. me right now. We're going slow enough. I can jump out of the van. He absolutely had two backpacks on at this moment as well. You had a front backpack and a back backpack. I can't even explain to you how this human like function back in the day.

What's he doing today? He's in Japan. He's been in Japan 15 years, 10 years. Yeah, long time. literally, dude, this was the guy, this was the guy where when Funla Proud was breaking up, and I think I've talked about this before, that he, he was like the money guy. And he was like, well, since we're breaking up, I divided up all the money into envelopes. So here's everybody's money. And we were like, well, we're still going to be a band. So we'll just take that.

And he went, all right. It's like, okay. And then he moved to Japan. He's a teacher. We saw him when we were there. He was fine. Wait a second. You guys were breaking up, but still being, I don't get it.

Well, he convicted was happening. Like, we were going to find another singer. Oh, I see. So it was like understood that it would like kind of morph into another band. Yeah. I gotcha. Okay. So it was like a Sam Hane Danzig.

Exactly. And only he tried to Danzig us. Okay. Anyway, weekend nachos. Yeah, okay. Like an hour later. Torture EP. Yes.

Which Punish and Destroy was the first LP. Correct. And then torture EP. No, no, no. Torture was before Punish and Destroy. You're absolutely right. My bad. What was after Punished and Destroy? After Punished and Destroy was the relapse comp songs. Wow. He's doing this off as Dome. It's amazing, isn't it?

He's good, man. What was next? Looks like unforgivables after that? Okay, so this is a big one. That's where I come into Pullin. This is where Drew comes in. So now we kind of have to talk about when weekend nachers became just me, basically, for a little bit. it was okay it's not as dramatic as it sounds basically our bass player

Christian who went by Varg at the time called him awesome called the bark yeah Christian and I kind of always got on each other's nerves when he was in the band he was just kind of like an instigator like I am

I was going to say the bad guy like like like an instigator of friends as a to an instigator of like society. You know what I mean? Like, like this dude would try to make me up. John was just doing it on the B-9 board. Varg was doing it to his friends. God, Lord, it was he ever.

Do you remember him on the B-9 board? Oh my God. Really? That is so fucking funny. Rain and terror on there, dude. Get out of here, really? You were a fucker. You were a day one fucker, dude. And that's, that's like the fact about you that I've always knew. We're not, we're not, you know,

we don't know each other very well. Yeah, yeah. No, that's straight up. But I know damn well, you use the fucker. Dude, that's straight up kicks ass. Yeah. The fucker from weekend nachos headline. That bridge nine board got me in some shit with the drug test guys. Remember that band from Boston?

Yeah, they'll fuck you up. Dude, what's funny is that I would, like, both Rick and Alex, I think his name was. Yeah. Like, we're going to really fuck me up at Pazzi numbers, 04. or they'll get you no posy numbers oh yeah oh four they were the last one uh i think the last one was oh five oh five but yeah the the drug test dudes were gonna fuck me up at that and then i met them and they were just like what's up man they got they were playing mind game yeah they had you that's they wanted you to know but see i don't i don't know if i thought i was invincible or what but i

remember every time somebody was going to like beat my ass because of something on that board I was just like happy go lucky about it. I'm like, all right. One of my favorite stories about you was when we were trying to figure out you you came up with Harm's Way as a band name. Right. And did you take out the apostrophe yourself? How do you feel about that?

It's on the demo. I always put the apostrophe in there. And then I remember like the apostrophe being gone was like a Bo James and Chris thing. Well, dude, it's just stylized without it. We write it. I've heard the explanation. It's just the $10 billion. I cannot wait till I can not wait till I can.

tell my side of the story. We'll get there. We'll get there. All right. What year was that? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. You came up with a band name. And you got message on MySpace. Oh, right. There was a Boston hardcore band called Harmsway. It was Chris Corey.

Uh-oh. Oh, wow. Yeah, Chris Corey. I'm dude, on the mental W-E-R-X live thing, he shouts out James from Harm's Way. But it's a different dude. It's the other Harmsway.

We were in a band yet. I don't remember if it was James, but it was definitely some, was it, it was either like James or Jason or something like that. Yeah, I think it is. So, yeah, it was Chris Corey, Chris Corey sent me a MySpace message. And he was like, he's like, hey, like, it's weird because he didn't ask me to not use the name. He was just kind of like, hey, just so you know, like my friends and I have like an established band already called Harm's Way. And I just, I message him back.

And I was like, all right, well, if you guys want to have like a samurai sword fight or something to like see who gets to keep the name like I'm down you fucker dude you're day one fucker and like no reply there was no response and then we just kept the name and I guess yeah your your band survived I guess so I guess so the sad thing about that is that it's not too late and somebody could somebody listening to this could really like that guy yeah I mean I'm I'm just I'm not I'm just telling you straight up what happened you're doing great yeah like you know I don't I don't have anything negative to say about the interaction. I just thought it was really funny.

That's amazing. But, yeah, I mean. You, I mean, Harm's Way is still here. So it was all good. What's funny is that, like, with Harmsway's success and, like, what you guys came to be, right? You could argue that I saved the name. Yeah. By not saying, okay, we'll change it.

Yeah, that's true. Band from Boston. We'll change it to weekend nachos. Listen, where the fuck did that? No one is taking that name. It's very true. Can we, can we, I'm sure a million people have the question.

Where did that come from? So I was just, I was talking to Brea on AIM. Someone from Chicago on AOL and some messenger. Yeah, just this girl that we are friends with. And we were just like, I was like, I got to come up with this name for this band that I'm doing with Andy.

and like I wanted to sound like a Japanese hardcore band. Like I wanted to sound like, okay, like it doesn't make sense. So I just started putting words together. Really? Yeah. I never knew that.

That's the way to do it. Dude, they, the sauce that they've got when naming bands. Totally. And weekend nachos is maybe the closest a band has come. I mean, seriously,

okay, if there was like, okay, lip cream, you know, like jelly roll rockheads. There's a brand new band called Gates Too Hopeless.

And I heard that and I was like, fuck! They got another one! So it's like if you were looking at like a show flyer from that era, it's like lip cream, you know, we can nachos. It's like. Oh, I'd be like, I gotta hear this. Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of teenagers

from Japan on 625. Interesting. Very interesting. I did not know that was the origin. Yeah, that's how it's done. And I think I said something and Brea said something. I'm not even kidding when I say that Brea helped name the band. That's hilarious.

Yeah. Wow. So you're alone again. Excellent dock and song, by the way. Alone again? Yeah. So then how does Drew come into the picture? We were all working together.

Oh, so Christian. Christian got on my nerves. He was like an instigator of me and like really liked to push my buttons in a way that I didn't even like. Right. And it came down to an issue of money. Like we were renting a practice space. He owed me like two months rent of the practice space

and he was just like, I'm not going to pay you. The practice space we still have right now. And have had for 20 years? Which I have running water in there? No. Which ironically. You got running one? Ironically, I don't think I've ever paid.

for since then ever um but yeah at the time i was like you personally but somebody has right exactly but at the time it was just like our band like there was no one else really like we were renting it from you but like it was just the four of us before you were or even andy was back in the band so you know he i was basically paying our portion of it and at the time like two months of that was like 50 bucks. Like someone that's like 21 or 22 years old, like I need $50. A lot. Yeah.

Yeah. That's like me. That's like $500 now. It's the same practice space that Harms Way was in for the majority of our career, too. There is this one room in this one building that was like six Chicago hardcore bands at the same time. Basically,

all of these motherfuckers have been ripping me off for a long time on practice space rent. How much is the space rent? Three. 380 something? Yeah, it's actually gone all the way up to 4.50. 4.50. A month? A month.

Yeah. So anyway, which like, that's a lot. But land is worth a lot of money now. So that real estate, you give that up. Somebody's getting that thing for $900. Practice spaces, yeah, are like $700 now. We're still on some very outdated pricing at $450. Keep that.

Yeah, but very outdated electricity. No fucking elevator, no air conditioning. two openable windows though yes sure hey come on they had uh Hawaiian punch in the vending machine so did and squirt I used to drink one of those every time we practiced but anyway

you are so many things make sense you know hey our guitar player at practice yesterday ate a package of uh chili fritos that expired in 2020 from said vending machine

oh The chili fritos go fucking home. Dude, those are COVID fritos. You'd have to do some real convincing to get me to nodding him. I'm with him. That is awesome. I feel like, you know what?

Just based on this conversation, I feel like weekend nachos is going to do really well in this current era. Like, I think you're fine. Everybody eats expired chili fruit. Yeah, we didn't even skip a beat. We still got this.

Anyway. No, you're doing great. So you're alone. So yes, you're alone. You start recruiting. He didn't, he didn't pay me the money, I kicked him out of the band.

There you go. Okay. A. Ross was not happy about this. Not because of my reasoning for kicking out of the band, but because I really didn't talk to him and say, hey. Yeah, I just made a decision, which, you know, fair enough. Yeah, right?

Sure. But he quit the band and took all of the band money. Oh. Every cent of it. Just took it. I said, what the fuck? So Aaron and I stopped being friends over this for like two or three something years. I remember that.

We'll get to this, but there's a song on Worthless that is written about him. Wow. Thank God he's not here. Well, you know, we're good now. Yeah. Love that guy. Well. But anyway.

He was at your 40th. Yes, he was. He was. Love that guy for him. When was your 40th? What's that? When was it? When was it?

August 5th. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. It was recent. Yeah, we all went out. Yep. So I'm by myself.

Alone. I'm alone again. Mr. Lonely. Yeah. And Drew, for some reason, oh, Andy was going to be back in the band. We were talking about adding him as a second guitarist. So when Aeros quit,

I kind of already had a guitar player. I was like Andy. Andy from Too Sweet. Yes. Correct. Okay. So I was like, Andy. Back.

I was like, Andy, you're about to join the band again like you still want to do this right and who's just like yeah isn't like i think it's really cool when somebody leaves and then comes back totally there's something just like intrinsically neat about that yep and i i remember especially if you have an established fan base yes who's like excited about yeah exactly i remember the first show back yeah i was gonna say mills played bass at that show oh holy shit i forgot about that that after mills filled in once i joined and the funny thing about Drew joining us because when you told me that you wanted to be in the band, I was just like, why?

I was like, I was like, you don't, I was like, do you, do you like the band? And you were, that's when you told me like, you're like, yeah, I have that first record. It's pretty good. And I was like, I was like, wait, what? Dude, also at this, at this time, almost like 60% of Chicago hardcore that lived in the city all worked at the same place. Oh, yeah. We all worked. This is the telemarketing thing?

Yeah, we all worked at this telemarketers. Which also was all of them riding my ass. I was the first one. Drew was the first one. It's true. He got me in there. Give Drew a break. He needs his flowers.

Got a lot of money from them all getting hired, though, because they were referrals. Oh, you get that, like, you get like a $150 bonus or something. Yeah, but a lot of them also made me look really bad in the long. The best part was like they would hire people and then like two of the bands would tour together and 10 people would be gone. You know, it was just like, uh, whoops. It's true. Tell me about the first weekend nachos tour.

When was that? That was like the first real tour, because we did like some stuff. But the first real tour was when Aeros and Christian, then Varg was in the band. And we had this dude from South Florida that played drums in the band for that, for this tour.

We didn't really have an official drummer. What year was that? 2007. Was that when we flew to California? That was a little bit after that. 2008. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Our first,

the Harmsway's first time in California was jumping in their van and. God, those shows were awesome. Piggybacking on. Cobalt Cafe, dude. Yeah, he was there. Holy shit, you were at that show? Yeah, dude, that was where I saw the other kids from my school. Dude, okay.

That is awesome. It is. I love that. And I know that you threw the chair at the San Bernardino Harmsway Show. I know that because I've heard about that for years, which is also awesome. That's the first episode. That's the first episode of the show, yeah. Oh, you talk about that.

Fuck yeah. And that was with a fake, was that with Charlie and convicted? No, that was like funny, false convicted. That was what I say in that show. That's where we named Dan from Downpresser, Jesus Presser. Because he looked like Jesus. Right, dude. And he was moshing.

He was so majestic in that, at that, in that era. Locks. He was flowing locks. I feel like later, because I don't really know that dude that well, but I mean, I met him on that tour and it was awesome. But like, I feel like he got, am I correct? He got like super ripped and much bigger, right? He was kind of like, he was a big guy before that. Yeah, and like that was kind of deep into his transformation.

Yeah. I don't know. Now he's just been like big strong man. Big frame. When we called him, that was the day I met him. No shit. Yeah, I didn't know him when. when the chair thing happened and he fought on my behalf,

I didn't know. I don't know. He just dug my vibe. When we named him Jesus presser, I kind of remember him being like thinner. Like am I just? Yeah, but like not much.

Really? Maybe I'm just in my, in my memory, I'm picturing like a guy with like Jesus's kind of like frail frame. No, your current memory, which, yeah.

You know, they say that drugs fuck you up, but I think it's tacos. Oh, wait. Food, just tacos and nachos. The, uh, the chair thing, that was a different tour, though. Totally different tour. But I do remember. But anyway.

You remember fucking, we got banned from the trampoline place in San Jose? I wasn't with you guys, but yes. You know, we tried to go back years later with a foundation and we still, they wouldn't let us in. Get the fuck out. Swear to God. They took your ID. So that's insane. It was you guys in Coke bust.

And some of your band. Oh, yeah. Brian probably was with you. But yeah. But yeah. I remember that. Somebody jumped from way too high and they kicked us all out. That was,

what else am I supposed to do? It's a trampolie. That was the same weekend where we were playing at Burt Raman. Yeah. And somebody from CokeBust had a thing of Jencom. Oh, God, that's right. You know, where you huff fumes from piss and shit in like a bottle? Yeah.

That was real. Like they, they made, you don't know what Jencom is? I never done it personally. I've never done it either, but they made Jenkum. I mean, they were a straight-edge man, so I don't think they're intending on huffing the fumes, but they made Jencom on purpose. Yeah.

And they had this. It was like bubbling. Yeah. Yeah, we were like throwing it in the dumpster. You have to cook it or? No, no, it ferments, much like a wine. Oh, it cooks itself. Yeah, you basically make, you make something that can get you fucked up and it was called

Jencom. I mean, it's easy. You just piss and shit in them jug. Just piss and shit. Yeah. It's like a human. I'm going to be rich. Seal it up.

and yeah, it makes so much. But anyway. Yeah, anyway. That was fun. That was our first flying experience. Yep. Which is crazy to think about it. And I'll never forget, dude, we flew into Oakland and we were like, oh, where are our guitar?

Where's my, my guitar's not on the conveyor belt. And, like, turning around and it's just in the oversized area, but your guitars are just, like, thrown into the corner of an airport. You got to tell the story on that Harmsway Weekend Nachos weekend. You have to tell the story about the horse mask. Oh, my God. that come up on another episode? No, not once. I don't think so. So we were playing the Pharaoh's den in Riverside? Riverside, that's right. And I'll,

Laudy, the drummer from Weekend Nachos, put on a horse mask, just the rubber horse mask. It was, dude, backstory. When Christian, aka Varg, came on that tour, he didn't bring anything except for a crate of like cigarettes that he had, stolen that he was going to sell on the road for money. Like, no socks, no shoes, no clothes, but the, these cigarettes and like a few masks. Yeah, masks. Yeah, that's right. That's all he brought with him on the tour.

And how long was this tour, John? 34 days. Oh, my God. He was a wild man. This is Brian or this is before Brian? This was the tour. Brian did play. But this was a different guy.

This is that Vard guy. Yeah. But Brian was on that tour. This is before that. So Brian put on one of the masks was a horse mask. Yeah. We still had it in the van. Yeah.

And, oh, you're right. And some lady who was for sure, like, it's easy to be like some crackhead lady or whatever, but some lady was on some kind of infatamine. Made her way up the stairs to the pharaohs then,

which is like a pretty big stairwell. Huge. Like historically. Yeah. Vertical stairwell. Horrible. And I can, I can, I, I love to imagine it this way. She walks into a room of people like killing each other to crazy music.

I think we were playing, right? No, Harmsway was not playing. I just know that somebody else was. It wasn't you guys. Yeah, it was somebody else. It was some other band that we played within Southern California. It may have been bear trap. Are you, it could have been creatures.

Did they hop on? Dude, bear trap was on some of those days. I remember. I don't remember that. I remember. It might have been, it might have been, it might have been creatures. Maybe. Maybe.

Oh, it was probably creatures. All I know is that Brian was like moshing for a band that he probably didn't even really like. No. And he had the horse mask. He just had the horse mask. That's what Brian would do. He was just masha chose for like whoever was playing. So this lady is out of her mind, walks into a room, sees crazy. Here's crazy music.

Sees people killing each other and then sees a horseman and attacks him. She went up to Brian and started trying to rip the horse mask off of his head. But the best part is is Brian wouldn't let her. He was like holding on to only the mask. Like, no. Like he was like moshing. I remember moshing with the horse mask. This lady comes out of nowhere and runs in and starts like frantically like trying to rip the mask off of him.

And he's like resisting. Right. And then I remember just like four or five hardcore kids grabbing her and throwing her down the stairs. Horse trauma sticks with you your whole life. So it really doesn't take much to trigger an event. So he didn't like bump. been to her while mashing like she came off the street. She literally

was like you. Yes, yes, dude. It was like she saw the Minotaur. She had to fight him. Like picture, like you've obviously been at a show where you're like watching one of your friends moshing, right? Yeah, yeah. So. The best.

So exactly. So now imagine that it gets even better because someone wanders in, tweaked out of their mind and tries to rip their horse mask off. There's nothing. better than that ever. If you were to ask yourself,

what could be better than watching my friend moshing? Like, this is it. This is it. You already added the horse mask. I mean, and then a random attack. Yeah.

So, so unforgivable. Dude, I love how every single one of these, like, it just. Well, that's how it was always going to go. That's how it works. No choice. What about, so, yeah,

unforgivable comes out. This is the one where I feel like this is really, this is your, This is the breakout, I think. I mean, it's arguably between that and worthless for different reasons that you could say both of them are milestone records, for sure. Big time. So Unforgivable is written during a time.

Before Drew and Andy were back in the band, I had the entire record written. I wrote it right around the time. I wrote it right around the time when I was alone again. and it was just a purely like isolated miserable record. Like it was just like every ounce of negativity I could possibly have inside me like went into this, right? What were the hits on the record? Like what were the songs on that record you would play that always pop? Pain over acceptance.

Your favorite. That's my favorite. That's on the breakdowns list, right? Yep. Shot in the head. Yep, shot in the head. Another incredible track. Yes.

I think those two. Those are the two. Yeah, I mean, that's how it works. People like, but those are like the two. And I think those were the two that we like put out there as singles. Like when we, this was like before we were like, honestly it was before a time when like any band could get like a track premiere on like cult nation or something. Oh, dude.

Yeah, that's the thing is you, it was not. Now bands have it so easy by just being able to put a song on Spotify and being like new single out. Dude, not only. You had to fucking beg and plead with a decibel revolver. Not only that, but like getting a blog to, like getting a blog to host your song now is really not that. I'm not saying like, you know, hats off. It's worse. Hats off to any bands that are like doing whatever they do, right?

But it's really not easy to, it was not easy back then to have like a reputable source hosting your song. Remember Warriors Will Rain came out. We just did it on MySpace. Right, exactly. Oh, man. And he was day one. You know what's so funny is that hit a thousand plays and we were like, oh, man. I mean, we fucking did it.

I'll be honest. A thousand plays for stomach. I'm pretty stoked. I'm pretty stoked on that. That's a lot for me. So, um, so we, year was unforgivable.

2009. 2009. So this was. And you're on relapse. Like a. certified, reputable. So we never actually signed to relapse, but... But this record is on Relapse.

Well, so the CD was basically licensed to relapse from us. We always owned everything. Wow. Okay. Businessman. But it was, it was an official relapse release for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

It wasn't like they, like, distributed or something. You know, like the CD version. came out on relapse and deep six did the vinyl, right? So I think that somehow I got relapse to do that. I don't Scott Holen. Yeah, Scott Holen did the songs on the comp and that got us. I think what happened was like the dudes from relapse who are like, honestly, I don't really know a lot about what it's like to work with relapse as an official signed band.

But all the dudes I know at relapse are awesome. They're just like a bunch of dudes that love everything. That's so funny. You don't understand what it's like to work with relapse as an official sign band with four LPs. I mean, I'm just, you know, like we never had a relationship with them where like they would get us tours or like there was no like real money agreement where like we had to like pay them back for shit. Like it just didn't work that way. So they fucking, they swindled your ass for that licensing. That's what happened.

I mean, I don't know how they. that shit works. So maybe, maybe, I mean, I know that what they did for us, which I'm, I mean, there would not be Wika nachos in the metal scene without relapse. Like, it's just, 100%. Like, and depending on who you talk to, like, you literally could get either answer. Right. Is weekend nachers a hardcore band or is weakin nachos a metal band?

It literally depends on who you talk to. Yeah. So that, that is because of relapse. You know, your crossover truly, like I said earlier, was like, unfathomable to me. Yeah, it's definitely like... I had them all. I definitely understand now that relapse

was such a big part. All it takes is some fucking... Because misery index fans have been in the mud for so long. They've been dying for something else. You know, they're at these shows like, when? When will there be more for me? And then Weekend Nachos comes along. That was actually a really interesting thing that happened.

Because when Scott put our songs on the He also put other bands like us on that comp. Like Spoonful of Vicodin, I think was on there. So 2009, this is nearing your departure from Harm's Way. Yeah, I quit right around the time. So we'll get to that. But I need to. You're multitasking for quite a while in both bands.

Yeah. So my point about the interesting thing about like weekend nachos like in the crossover appeal is like there were other bands that Scott. hole was into that kind he kind of discovered too that he put on that relapse comp is a big comp. But I will say that Week of Notches is really the only band out of all that that really like went on to like essentially kind of capitalize off of our inclusion on that comp. Really like you can't really say that any of those other kind of oddball bands that were on that comp really went on to like be involved in the metal community.

Do they all have four songs each? I think like between one and four. fucking that's crazy it was it was like a large yeah it was like a large comp like a lot of a lot of bands like a couple seven inches or something right like seven inch box set they did a seven inch box set with like seven seven inches in in the box shit that's cool yeah yeah it was it was really an important thing for us for sure um and yeah that's where that all started that's like where like you none of this would ever happen you know if not for that yeah that like like like That's like where the turning point.

And unforgivable coming out was like the way we solidified that. Like, okay, let's do an album now and have relapse do that. That's it. Like it's all, it all stems from there. So yeah, right around this time, I quit Harmsway. But what John- Liga Nottos is your baby and now you're on relapse. Well, Harmsway is still finding their identity.

Yeah, Sonic. Very much. Right. So tell me about the moment. is it's and it's the no god seven inch where we were writing for that right but please break down john well let's let's just put a disclaimer after the episode that james and i did where we were being hyperbolic and a little a little we're poking at you right you and i had a heart to heart over it we did we buried a hatchet this is good content by the way because it rubbed them wrong a little bit right

So you're out here lying about your friend It was mostly James, but Absolutely Absolutely And you know what? I'll say this live on the fucking air I don't care. Bo, Bo attempted to make it right and did Wow.

James was a stubborn fucking bitch about it. He'll get you. He'll get you. He's going to hear that. I'm excited for him to hear him. James and drug tests are out for you, man. They're coming. We were at practice at the same.

fucking practice space. John lived very far north at the time, right? You lived in wherever the fuck. Uptown? Yeah, I lived in uptown. And that, I know it doesn't make a difference to you, but for someone, did you have a car at the time? No, no. For someone without a car, that is the other end of the city.

Yeah. In a North South city. It's a pain in the us to get there. It's a whole thing. So I'm going to make my version of the story really quick. And I will say that the thing that rubbed me the wrong way about you and James's segment wasn't that that you told the story of me leaving wrong, it's that, you know, we are like,

arguably a group of, like, best friends. Yeah. Right? And if you listen to that episode and you don't know us, it does not sound like I am one of you guys's best friends. I think that's fair. It sounds like I'm some slug that you guys knew for 15 minutes. Sure.

Right. So that is... Just some fucker on the... It sounds like I'm some fucking asshole that talks shit to drug test on the bridge nine board, honestly. But he's good. But yeah. I mean,

that, that is what hurt, you know. Okay. You know, obviously, which obviously was never the intention. Of course.

And like, like I said, you, not James, you made it right. And you know what? I've put it aside because James and I have,

you know, are always going to be friends. He bought, uh, James probably bought John some tacos. That's all I say. James actually made, made some tacos for me.

cooked for me. It's like, Carni Asana. Come on. Man. Caution. You like Carnegie Asada,

right? I mean, if you, I mean, if you don't, it's going to be a problem. You'd be like, you'd be like,

I understand that. I understand that. You like, you like carnery sada? It's all right. I'm not trying to be a dick, but. Dude,

I love this. Anyway. Extended, extended James in prison. Yeah. You could do this. I don't like carnation. saw to

yeah I don't even know what to tell you I don't even know what to tell you man all right so we're at practice so

the like I said I'll keep this my version quick yeah I was trying to find I had just come back from a weekend

nachos tour yeah Armsway had a show that Friday right yep at the Albion house right

they had been practicing with Andrew Morrissey because he was going to fill in for me on the upcoming

tour yes but you know hometown show I'm back with my friends, I'm still in the band. Yep.

Not quitting the band yet. Are you planning to? No, absolutely not. So you weren't too, not to get too into the week. But you weren't too crazy about the no God stuff. No. Definitely. So there was already like a little bit of like, well, stylistically. Yeah. I really

wasn't too into it. Which in hindsight is so funny because it's like it's like a me. Sonically, you can literally just listen to that and go, man, Harm's way got really good when they put that that. That's, dude, you know what's funny is when I first met my my wife i was like i was like hey check out this this is the harm's way record that i played on and then this is the record after it and my wife was like you guys were not good back

then yeah so anyway so my wife is not a supporter of my contribution you weren't planning on quitting no definitely not so i had been trying to find out when we were supposed to practice for this show okay yeah and uh based on the way you guys described i'm wondering if you guys even know that this is my version of the story. Maybe not. So I was trying to, and Mills was like my point of contact to try and find out when practice was.

I was asking every day. You almost fist fought at practice one time. That's another amazing story. Excellent. Mills is the business. He's the heart of the band. He is now, but at the time it was strictly me and Hofacker.

That's actually true. This is before James and Boe and Chris had anything to do with the business side. That's actually true. I guess you did. You named it. He named it. He was the one.

booked all the tours. He was the only one who had been touring, really, because he was in various bands over the years. And then Hofacker, I think, just had a checking account. Like, that was just like it. Totally. So it just kind of became the two of them. Yep.

We booked all the shows. We did, I put out the demo in the 7-inch with Clint. Yep. So anyway. Organized crime records. I mean, like, you know, I booked the show that we, that had the James in the mask photo, which is arguably where Harmsway's internet persona began. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. So anyway, and this is why I'm like, come on. Yeah. I wasn't just some guy, you know. So I've been trying to find out when practice was. And this is something you also cannot dispute is Mills's communication methods, right? So he's just straight up.

Apparently you guys knew when practice was. Yeah, I think we were there, dude. Yeah, dude. We were literally in the room. So when you guys were there, Mills texts me and says, they practice at six it is 515 i did not again i live like all the way up north and i legitimate when i when i listen to the episode and james is like caution quit the band because he was hungry right what he's referring to is the fact that i had plans to meet someone downtown in chicago

for dinner that night right yeah now and he's he's giving you the leeser from germany type no explanation no shit right so now mind you By all means, Harms Way, my band, is more important than going out to dinner with a friend in the city. But when you are already on a bus to meet somebody who is also traveling 30, 40 minutes to meet you somewhere for dinner, doesn't matter what it is. You don't tell that person, sorry, you got to turn around and go home. You can't make it like 20, 30 minutes before you meet them. And this was literally a situation where I did not know when practice was.

Right. So that's the story. I texted Mills. I'm like, I can't make it. Yeah. We're going to have to practice another night. And it just like wasn't doable. Right. And then James is like, well, we've already learned these songs with Andrew. So we're just going to have him play on Friday. So I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Like you're not, you're not, I live in this town. I'm in this band. I'm not, we'll just not play those songs. We have so many other songs. We just won't play the new. songs that night. Sorry, we really want to play these new songs. We're about to go on tour. We're going to have Andrew play. And I was just like, fuck you. I was like, fuck you. Did he say my shorts? So that that's in like a few seconds. But I was just like, fuck you. This is all via text text message. Like T9 text days too. Yeah. I had a, I think I had a razor at the time. Remember the

Motorola razor? You know, I'm like, fuck you. you're not like you guys aren't doing that and i was like you know what i fucking quit that's that's that's that's bullshit right james goes eat my shorts have you ever been mad more mad in your life than eat my shorts i'm not even going to pretend that i wasn't livid really like and i remember this was a discussion we were having at like not at that moment it was after the practice i was back home that night when I was texting James. And we were talking about this because I was thinking like, all right, didn't get to go to that practice.

Like, even if we don't practice, that's fine. These are my friends. I'll still play the show of this band that I am in. Why would you get up? Here's the thing. Let me play the advocate. Oh, I can't wait for this. When was the tour?

It was the, so the show was probably a Friday. It was. And then the tour was the, then we did a, we recorded with Steve Kane on the radio show thing that weekend. Yep. And then we left Monday. Yep. So it was. Here's the thing, John.

It was, yep. In with the way, this is the, this is an unspoken law. He who doeth the tour playeth the hometown show. To be fair to you. Before or after the tour. This, but that show might as well have been part of the book. Exactly. At the practice, they're getting ready for the tour, not just the show.

How about this for consistency? Yeah. When we later on did the Acacia Strain tour and it played Chicago in the middle, Chris didn't play drums. Interesting. Well, I will say, you may have a point. Regrettably, by the way. You might not have had to eat the shorts. That might have been too far.

It was a little far. There were maybe some other things said. You already had dinner plans that evening. No shorts needed eaten. But then, but then, and I've told this story too. We played that show. James broke his arm during it. And then literally after the show, Hofacker, the other guy was like, here's a check for all the money that's in my account that is harm's ways. I quit.

This was all the same. Didn't like two of your heads break? No, dude, it was all like it was Hofacker. Holfecker had a gear problem, the whole set. And it ended up being the cab blue. Okay. I just remember you were having equipment problems that really fucked with the show. The entire side.

And James broke his arm. And then Hope back and then Hope Wacker quit. So you were feeling on top of the fucking world when you hear all that. Hey, anyone that knows me knows that I did. I will say this. You may have a point about the hometown show thing, okay? But not to your point. That was not any of our mindsets that week.

Right. Yeah. Like that's now thinking. The mind's advanced thing. The mindset was John missed practice. We know these songs and want to play them. Just my opinion. You guys made a bad judgment call putting that before my feelings about playing that show.

Well, you know what's funny is if that was now, Harmsway would 1,000% do it the exact same way. Because it's all about the efficiency and, you know, what's best for the blah, blah. I believe that. But at the time, yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean is that we were not in any way. And keep in mind, this is just. Pro.

Yeah, this was still when James and Chris and Bo had like little to nothing to do with like most of the decisions that were being made. Right. Although it was like about to transition. It was right at that time. It was like Holfacker and I quitting was like the immediate transfer of power. That was that was Chris talking to closed casket. Yeah. Like it's right then.

And then let me tell you, John. Yeah. No gods rocked. Well, let me tell you this. There is no question in my mind that I was meant to not be in. in harm's way because you have to think that if for some reason I stayed in the band number one the band probably would have just broken up within two to three years right if like O'Facker and I never like stopped being in charge of that band so like me leaving

and you guys taking over like is they it's not even it doesn't even need to be said it's the most incredible thing that could well then you look at weekend nachos after exactly and it's like this was your guy destiny all along. For sure. And it's actually an amazing story for that reason. I think it's like cool. It's like it makes harm his way in weekend nachos like literal like blood brother bands.

Yeah. We both love the blood the blood brothers. So I want to get more into like Drew. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now that like, yeah, now Drew for some reason wanted to join the band. And I was in convicted leading up to all of this. And I also quit convicted when nachos started going.

Oh, that's right. You did, you did quit convicted. I never, I never even thought about it. I forgot. That rules. I forgot. You broke the damn. That's right.

We played our, you were the first one. We played it. First one out. Yeah. We played an amazing last show. We did. That was Chrome bags,

death threat, Marauder, the killer left empath convicted last show at the sub T. It's fucking. That's a fucking. And it was like, that was when, bangor.

God his eye came out. So it was like that lineup. That was the last convicted show? Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. That was like, I'm sorry, I just heard you go over the lineup, but that was like death threat,

Cromag's. Marauder. Marauder. Yeah. Invicted left-hand path. And the killer. And the killer. Oh my God.

It was. That show was amazing. That was like the, like right around the beginning of that Chrome, that version of the Chromex making the runs. And it was sick. Dude, when they first came back and it was like John and Mackie, dude, those shows in California were historic.

Yeah. The one here was like, I was jumping and diving off the walls. Like, it was like that level of the- The Chromex were fucking awesome. It was AJ and it was Scott. I don't think there's ever, I mean, not counting like, you know, whatever version of the Chromex exists now. Yeah.

You know, but like, if you think about like, I don't think there's ever been a time where I've seen the Chrome eggs where they weren't awesome. Yeah. You know what I mean? Same. But just imagine. In a live environment, just the song, how the songs are so fucking undeniable. Just imagine the Cromag's pre what we know of the Cromag's now, like between like whatever versions there exist now.

Just imagine Cromag that like arguably the best sounding, best laid out venue in the city. And most lawless venue in the city too. Absolutely. It's, it was just. So Drew. Perfect. It was unbelievable. Drew's role in Weekend Nachos.

How did that expand? Because John, you were the guy for so long. Yeah, so I think a little bit like going to the Harmsway weekend nachos thing, I also think convicted being killed off actually helped both things too, because then Harmsway's focus was completely undivided. Yeah. And all of my musical focus went purely into nachos as well then. That's a good point.

One thing I will say about, like, you joining the band is that like I instantly, you to this, like to this day, obviously, like, instantly got like the benefit of your, like, sense of order and, like, neatness and, like, professionalism. Yeah. Instantly. Drew has always been the adult. Yes. Always.

You seem like a good guy, Drew. Hey, thanks. I get this vibe from you that I can just tell you anything, you know. Drew is a good guy and a former bully. in what way were you a pit demon or what no no just like a junior high dickhead just an assassin it's as great of a guy as Drew is at at 40 i will say that Drew probably still to this day has ruined more lives during that junior high period than he has helped lives now you you knock textbooks out of people's hands and stuff oh yeah closing some lockers going by while people are

looking through? Table topping, you know, the whole thing. Oh, tabletoping was a gangster. If like, if like Mitt Romney was a junior high schooler, like that's, that's, that was what Drew was, basically. Wow. Look at him now. He's a, he's a well-spoken businessman. For sure. I remember when you joined, and we were all working at total, and you were like learning the songs and writing songs. And I remember being happy for you because you were like, you had a new creative outlet. and you were like really digging it. Yeah. I just remember that being like an exciting time period

because that was also like we were writing for isolation. You guys were doing stuff, writing stuff. Yeah, we were writing for worthless then. They went to Europe like right before us, you know? So they're kind of trailblazing at the same time. How'd you do in Europe the first time? Well, let's quickly wrap up like the unforgivable era because like unforgivable comes out.

We play MDF, right? So I'm in the band now, but I'm not like, contributing anything. You weren't part of the record. You weren't part of it. Oh, no, right. Because John wrote the entire thing in a dark, lonely, depressive.

When I was alone again. Was that the bull thrower? When he was alone again. Was that the bull thrower year? Yes, it was. Oh, yeah. Bolt thrower let me shit in their VIP bathroom. That's how you know those guys are,

are legit. And I remember I wrote an article for, like, Revolver about how pissed I was that no one moshed for bolt thrower at MDF. And there was like a thousand metal heads pissed off about it. Really? Yeah. You wanted people spin kicking or just pushing each other? No, straight up.

I wanted people to like mosh like they would to hate breed but for both. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, I mean, now I'd be like, why the fuck would you mosh ever? I could do it. I know. I know, but like, but like if I were seeing both there, like, I would just, I don't, I don't care if anyone's moshing.

I'm just like, just like, it's funny. It's funny. just doing the hey yeah hey hey hey if anybody's name tank it's nothing personal and then they play them fucking yeah did you see them when they came back john yeah in 2013 oh 2013 were you at the reggie show no i don't think so were you drew yeah i went to both of them that was that was that was that was top three things i've ever seen i just i just remember seeing them at the 2009 MDF and when they played Powder Burns, it might have been the heaviest thing I've ever seen. Best breakdown ever. Yeah. It's up there. Yeah, was that, was that in your

Mosh part list? No. Oh, yeah. I don't think, was it? Was Powder Burns? It is? Yeah, dude. Okay, good. Powder Burns has been ripped off by me in weekend nachos and Hate Force. Nice. Excellent. It's, I've done it. We've all done it. We've all done it. Um, now, now, now, now, that's all it. So when you ripped off powder burns, like we actually tried to make the riff like slightly worse so it could be considered our song. Yeah, I just tried to actually put the exact riff into a weekend nacho song. Yeah. It was not modified in any way. And then I think what about this?

I got something for this part. And I'm not proud of this, but I think it was me that suggested we make it like slightly different. But we would get over that. If you change, if you just go instead of now, no, no, now, this is the secret to writing music. Find a thing you like, do one thing backwards. Done. Totally. And you know what?

You have to be able to say that whatever you ripped off is not quite as good. And that's what we did. But we got over that when we started actually adding corn parts into songs that were not changed at all. You sure did. But anyway. Actively, I was like, we got to get this corn. riff in here. Well, the song that I wrote about Aeros,

old friends don't mean shit, literally has the riff from good God like in it and the part. It's just, we made it into a week and not just part, but the riff is note for no. What song is Freak on a leash in? Like, did we rip that often?

We actually, I didn't, you had to remind me that we even did that. Yeah. But that was, it was like a B-side. It was like a song that no one ever really heard. I forget what it always called. called No Saints. It was the last song on the Black Earth 7-Each.

Wow. Anyway, so us playing MDF was a big deal for us. That's like what's that and the unforgivable record is what's solidified and like, oops, hit the mic there. It's okay. It's fine. Like kind of like snowballed from there like our involvement in the metal scene. Pardon this interruption.

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And personal experience where you get to own a piece of it. And in this case, it goes to a good cause. That's very near and dear to us. Yes. Back to the episode. Before we get to worthless, can I ask one question about Unforgivable? It's your podcast. Did you get the name from the viral video series, Unforgivable?

100%. Wow. I literally, I remember when Andy and I were trying to come up with a name for the record, and I was like in this bricktop studio at the time. And I was like walking out of the control room over to, maybe we were even recording it. No, because I had written the song Unforgivocal. But it was maybe, you know what it was?

It was when Andy and I were practicing some songs knowing we were about to get ready to record, right? And I remember walking and I was just thinking about the unforgivable YouTube video and how awesome it is. And I was like, I was like, Andy, why don't we just call the record unforgivable? Like I said that in the voice to him. And it was just like, he was like, he was like,

it's an evil name. or something like that. Dude, it's something like that. To exemplify what an impact this had on our friend group, today John texted me, what's your address,

you little pansy? Because that is still like just part of the lexicon. Dude, that was pre- YouTube. No, do it. Unforgivable is like as part of the English language as like super bad and anchorman to me.

Like it just changed the way I process thought. You used to be able to go on, their site and play all four videos at the same time. James Mills and I and I guess you two. We would play all four of them at the same time and just like somehow that was like way funny. It like leveled us because it would be like what sport you play you little? You better not have no little brother.

Like it would just be like a thousand things all at once. It would be like she didn't know what to sell. I'm forgivable. It was so fucking funny. So did you start writing right away? So were you contributing half half of worthless was written by you right? Yeah, yeah, just just about half of it. And actually true to John's previously discussed potential T-shirt nickname,

at first you did not want me to have any songs on the record. Is that true? I don't remember this. We got into it at this call center job. It had like a little internal messenger. Oh, wow. And he and I were fighting on this, I think it was called Spark. Spark. Spark Messenger.

That's right. About how, like, I had songs that I wanted to bring to practice. And you were saying that, like, you didn't really want anybody else to have songs. And I was like, well, if I can't have songs, I'm just going to quit. Yeah, and I was like, no. This is you both at work at the same time. Oh, yeah. We sat next to each other.

And I was sure. So you might as well have been like, you're motherfuck. Dude, little side note at this job, I used to be so grossed out because Drew would just pick his nose endlessly. Like, like his literally his finger would be in his nose like for like a half hour at a time. And every time I'd be like, Drew, you've been picking her nose for a really long time. And every time he would be like, this job is boring. Like that was Lord, Lord help it if a man has hoppice. Yeah, straight up, dude.

I mean, I'll pick my nose for 45 straight minutes, no problem. I, you know what? You sound like my wife, John. Let us be, dude. Listen, listen. Can't pick my nose, can't write any fucking songs. Yeah, seriously. Fucking fascist.

I never told Drew he couldn't pick his nose. I'm just saying in, in my head, I was grossed out by this. That's all. Sometimes it takes that long to get the one out of it. Listen, I picked my nose for five hours at a time. People are just not at work next to somebody. Rapidly skipping over this right now. But he's next to his best friend.

Yeah. So he thinks. I mean, I thought I was in a safe. You guys best friends? You guys best friends? You think you guys are best friends? We're business associates.

Okay. Let me put it this way. Real talk. Drew was one of six of my best men at my wedding. That's like the MySpace top eight, right? I'll go fuck myself. Yeah. Bo wasn't in there.

Your top 16. I was there, though. I think I was, I think I'm his maybe fifth best friend based on the, the, the rankings. Because he's got his two brothers were number one. No, you were four. I was four. I think Aeros was behind you at NICT. Antonio from Kansas City.

So Aeros, the guy that stole all your money. That guy is more of your best friend. That's Christian. No, Aeros stole the money. Yeah, Arras took money. Yeah. I fully misunderstood. Yeah, dude.

I fully misunderstood that. Yeah. That's why Aeros and I had beef. That's why... Oh, shit. Yep. Chris didn't pay him money, but Aeros took the whole band fund. Drew, who's your best friend?

Probably like my cat or something. Yeah, he's gonna say his wife. That's such a respectable, like, you're just a nice guy, you know? It's just me at home, chilling, you know? What about humans? Who do you, who do you like? John's up there for sure. He's up there.

I gave a speech at his wedding. He did give a speech at my wedding. Probably like I got two, I probably got three, three that I would put in the running. But I'm pretty sure you were number four in the list. I think it was both my brothers, Antonio, you. Because people would like to say, ah, these are all my groomsmen. No, there's always an order. Don't let anyone tell you there's not an order.

And it's the closest proximity that they're standing next to you at the altar. That's the order. That's the right. You can't, otherwise you wouldn't have anybody stand up there. Yeah. The other guy. Bo is back row, right? I was there.

You were there. A lot of people didn't get invited to my wedding. When Drew got married, I was right here with strep throat. Really? He was invited, but I have no wedding party. It's not really contagious, so you could have gone. No, strep throat is extremely contagious. Yeah.

That was after either Furness Fest or Sound Infuri with that dust shit. Oh, that just just happened. Yeah. No, no, no. Last, the first one. The first. Yeah, no. Yeah.

Yeah. I celebrated my one-year wedding anniversary on September 10th. Very nice. Very recently. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Who's your best friend, Bo? Chris Mills?

My best friend is, honestly, it's you're one of them. Nice. Where would I be as a groomsman? As a groomsman? Honestly, I would have to do my entire band. You'd probably be five. All right. You know what I mean?

I got the end. How many groomsmen do you get? So you're ahead of me, and I've known him for way longer than you. Yeah, but I, I, I. Dude. You've put the work in? I rebirthed this man. He came out of my second wound.

Like Zeus and Athena. Straight up. Would I, would I be invited to the wedding? 100%. Excellent. I'm there. Of course. He just needs to find a fiancee first.

I'm there. Holy shit. I'm about to. I'm about to quit the podcast. Why? We just want you to find love, well. Yeah.

So worthless, you guys are right before. What were the hits on worthless? What are the songs? Like, same question for unforgivable. I mean, Jack Power Violence is the one.

That's the one. That's the one. Yeah. Yeah. That's the song we always, we always close with too. Tell, you know what'll be interesting.

Tell about your relation to the boys who fall out. I mean, I think even probably most, you know, I'd assume most people listen to this podcast, probably know that that band was birthed out of Chicago hardcore, even if they are not a hardcore band. Probably not, dude. Okay. Honestly. So. Fallout Boy.

Yeah, Fall Out Boy were in Armageda right before Fall Out Boy, which were like a Damnation A.D. worship band pretty directly. Bo, you sang the boys who fallout? I could not figure out what she meant. I was like, what did he mean? So it almost sounds like some type of typo-negative reference or something. Dude, straight up, because that's Fallout was the band. The boys, the Brooklyn Boot Boys, you know, all that. Yeah. So on John Power Violence, Patrick from Fall Out Boy,

who is a, you know, childhood friend, lent some vocals. we were originally going to have Dre from Donnybrook do it who also is a Fallout Boy connection for me he worked security for them yeah he was he was going to do the part and we thought so here's the thing we thought that was going to be awesome because we were like all our power violence fans

are going to like shit when they see this like they're going to be so pissed off and then we took it a level further into pissing them off by having the dude from Fall Out Boy do it who loves power vinyl. He texts me every day basically about spas and shit. Could he contractually legally do that? He couldn't because that's why we had to credit him as something different in the liner notes. That's what I would think. Yeah. Both and the guitar player Joe

plays the solo on the first song on Worthless also. So we just moved some letters around in their names and credited them that way. No, we called Pat Patterson. Oh, yeah. Paterson and pro Jomon. How did he get away with the damnation A D's film? No, he was. Oh, no, I mean the band that a bunch of them were in right before Fall Out Boy. Oh, I know, but he's on a damnation song, too.

It's a fucking banger. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I can't imagine he legally would have been able to do that. Probably did some of the same shit. I honestly don't really know. But I mean, like, also, you know, they're at quite a scale. so like at some point I think he's in a position to yeah just kind of be like well I already did do it so sue me don't sue me so Colin Colin which yes which song which guest spot is sicker the damnation one or the weekend nachos one

listen the the damnation one he gets the whole hook and it's a it's a hell of a hook well he does the the whole breakdown of the fall up or fuck that's a weekend naches song. And you see and they couldn't even say it. That's his band, Drew. I'm gonna, I'm gonna fight for this because at the last week at Nacho show, we had like two stories of people singing that part with us on the stage. That was just saying. It's pretty cool. Nachos had,

Laudy had this fucking Yeagermeister banner. Yep. That he turned upside down. So the cross above the deer was upside down. And then in like, tie-dye kind of like, hippie almost. It was like a, it was like a like a my little pony bed sheet. Yeah, straight up.

It was written. He like cut, cut letters out. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Cut weekend nachers letters off of this like children's bed sheet and I, I told him for five years. Like, I want that. Like, can I have that after the band?

And he probably said absolutely like you, you called it. And some fucker grabbed it at the last show. Like pulled it down, took it home. No. I've got a DM from them somewhere if you want to go to their house. Are you serious? If you're out there. Let's get it. I want that thing.

That's the backdrop. It was promised to me. We got a new project. Yeah, straight up. Anyway. Wow. You guys eventually go to Australia. You start doing a lot more international things.

So right around, I would say worthless, before worthless, but right around the time of worthless is when we went to Europe for the first time. Yep. Around 2000. And that was a great story. So we get brought over there by two guys helped us initially who have a label there called RSR, regurgitated semen records. Yep.

Which was really. They put out your CD. Live at Fluff Fest. They did that, but they had put out the CD version that had torture and punish and destroy on it together. That's cool. So it was really. you know, exciting for me and I'm telling my family that I'm going to Europe and they're asking me how that's coming together. And I'm like, well, the guys from regurgitated semen records

are putting it all together. Oh. Okay. It is seriously one of the best label names. My son's a... Yeah, that's awesome. My son's a pervert. Dude, no. Regurgitated semen records is seriously like a top five label name. They also... Like, regurgitated by itself already gross. Yeah. And then you maybe pick the worst, the nastiest possible thing. Not even cum, semen. Seriously, like, you're giving me medical term.

I picture someone like swallowing, swallowing a load. And then like, maybe even like forcing themselves to throw up, like, come from their throat. How did we get here? This is the best label name ever. I'm just saying. Yeah. But like, it's extreme. What I'm saying there is like every step of this journey, even like the positive,

big ones like we're going to Europe the first time are tainted by something absolutely fucking moronic yeah totally and like you'll never escape regurgusate was this was this the time when andy had his bag lost oh dude so Colin first first time going overseas you know like i book our flights we've got a tight layover chicago to new york to berlin so we landed new york and we get off the tarmac and we need to just like sprint to the flight New York to Berlin. We get off the plane and we had we had gate checked some bags and our guitar player's bag is not there. And we and you know we kind of say something and they're like you know it's it's just going to get moved, you know, onto your plane, no problem. You know, it's just not here.

Don't grab it, but it'll make me when I lie. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, we Sprint, we get on the fucking plane, we land. Nothing. This is maybe like a 30-day tour or something. All of his shit doesn't show up. Was it winter? Wait, no, it was like, it was like two weeks. No, no, the first one was when we did a whole bunch more.

Oh, you're right. It was probably three and a half weeks. Yeah, we were there for like 30 days and like 26 shows or something like that. But so literally, you know, we get there, his clothes aren't there. We do the, you know, we're in Berlin for like the first two days or something, chilling. Never shows up. And we find out they sent all of his clothes to Egypt. So this dude had no, nothing.

So he had to go to like H&M and shit and buy an entire wardrobe. That rule. Egypt? Yeah, we, no fucking clue how it was waiting for him back in Chicago when we returned home from the tour. So. How many flights go to Egypt? So you know what happened. You know what happened next.

Regurgitated Seaman Records flew us to Egypt to finish out our tour. We got the close. But yeah, it was a rough start to the end that first day where we found out his shit hadn't arrived and was going nowhere. I believe Andy also lost his iPad or no, iPod while we were just like chilling in Berlin. So we found out he had no clothes. Andy lost his iPod. And no music for Andy. Which, which at the time.

Andy without his music. It was brutal. I felt fucking horrible. At the time, phones didn't fucking work over there. Yeah. So if you don't have your iPod, you're fucked. Oh my God. You're absolutely fucked.

I don't remember any of this. You blacked it out, dude. I don't know. How was Europe for nachos? Awesome. Yeah, you guys see that. I think because we're able to straddle like you were saying, we got a little bit of the metal, the crust people like us, which was a huge thing in Europe.

Totally. Totally. Dude, we got nachos. I mean, I think this is the same for a lot of bands, but maybe not. But like a lot of bands that have the power violence crossover appeal, we, we all play in squats. You know, like, that's where some of the best shows are. Because squats in Europe are like, they're run. I mean, you've, dude, you've been there, you know.

They're like common. Yeah. Exactly. They're like, they're like rebel squats where amazing shows happen. Yeah. Every city has. Exactly. Every weekend. I mean, and that was every single show except for one of like 26 shows the first time we went to Europe.

We played one festival. Do they ever see you guys and go, oh, this is what they look like? Yeah, they're expecting like spike-haired leather jacket guys. And it was like a dude in green shorts and a turning point t-shirt. Dude, this was at the time when I had that knockoff bait hoodie. Like, oh, dude. Dude, who was that? That was originally either Cronin's or Eric or Eric Blum or something.

Oh, my God. You wore that thing all the fucking time. All the time. It zipped all the way up. Yeah, you could zip all the way up. And like, yeah, it was like a, it was not a Babe hoodie, but it was like a knockoff. And it had like diamonds on it. It was pink.

Like diamonds and dollar signs. I think the actual first weekend nacho show I ever played was us black Dahlia murder and Soiling Green. And I think at some point during that set, you just had the microphone inside, like, zipped all the way up. That's so cool. Yeah, we played with, that was in, like, Moline or something. Oh, is that Gabe's Oasis in Iowa? In Iowa, yeah.

I don't remember. Drew the vaults, dude. Yeah, seriously. It was my first show, so, you know, that one sticks. Oh, you're right. I don't remember how we got that show. The guy, someone in Black Dahlia Murder just liked us, I think. It had, dude.

Trevor, like, put on for ever. Was the guy listening to Newman. Yes. Dude, that's awesome. And like, you know, obviously rest in peace. Yeah,

like, that's like, I'm remembering a lot from. I think maybe you, we knew somebody that was like touring, working for them also or something. Gotcha. But it was,

it was a blast. But that fucking hoodie, we found it that day in Bricktop. And John just like, zipped the mic into it and was like running around unable to see. anything screaming.

What year, Colin, what year was the Sound of Fury that got shut down the motorcycle year? 10? We played that one

and then the motorcycle happened during backtrack right after us. Yeah. And then the show got canceled. Most of that fest went to an amazing show.

The crazy Oxnard backyard thing. Nachos were playing LA that night. And I think the boulevard. I think you were pissed about it. But we jumped on

the show and played a couple songs. Why would I be pissed about that. I don't know. I just remember a vibe that like it was like, oh, first they, they jump into a van on the flyout thing a few years ago and now they're jumping onto this. I remember it. You know what? I'm a lot of things, but that would not have been something I thought.

Like, it might have been, if there was anything about it, it might have been related to something else that might have gotten like messed up with that show. Drew wasn't there. He had back surgery. Wow. And so Nachels played as a three piece, which is crazy. Andy did the with a splitter and out of the octave thing and just they fucking you know they rocked loudie we sounded just as good without too loudie that's what bo was trying to say in a nice I was just saying you wouldn't have known anything was missing yeah and Andy is very

talented is what we're saying loud he gets paid to do that for other bands now right so it makes sense let's talk about loudie wearing like blindfolds ball gags thongs and that's it that's this is brian right Brian Louty yeah but he's going to go by byro looters which Bo's brother

I've had I'm going to set the record straight finally we are brothers we share a last name okay you know we didn't grow up together we were fucking brothers

it's not a big deal true I was I was I didn't know that Louty was him because I've been like when does Brian yeah that's Brian to me to me Brian is

such a visual, such a huge visual part of the identity. If we can not choose. Yeah, definitely. He was always doing this crazy stuff. Dude, one of my favorite fucking picture. It's on a shirt that I have somewhere is where he's on the dolly. He's in thigh high like fissures, like mud boots, thigh high, naked. Which all of that we found at the studio.

Because the studio for some reason is also in a warehouse of fisherman gear. And like all that he's blindfolded ball. naked with thigh-high rubber boots on. And I think I duct-taped him to dolly. Duck-taped to the dolly. And they're all just straight-face. And Brian's just in the ball gag. And I remember, I remember, like, I wore my Bart Simpson's sweatshirt for that photo.

And I was like, I was looking at the picture of it. And I was like, I actually look like I'm 10 years old in this picture. Dude, but I- Standing next to this naked, like, snuff victim. Yeah. Dude, but I, the reason I bring it up is because during your set, that we jumped on, yeah, the drill wasn't on. Cronin and I were watching Loudie,

and he was just staring at us for a whole song, right? So he was just a whole song just staring at us, drooling with this ball gagging. Fucking up, missing parts, but just going to, gonna, get on, get on, get on, get on, gna, gna, gna, gna, gna, gna, and it was just like. Just committed to the bit? I remember, I think, I could. Defined committed to me.

I could be wrong. I think he tried to play a part physically turned backwards. Oh yeah, he did that at all the shows. He like, he like sometimes would like stand up and turn around. Stand up, turn around. Your right foot is now on the high hat. Your left foot is the kick and you're playing behind your back. Yes.

That wouldn't work too good. It didn't sound great. It never worked. Okay, so. But you remember it. I really do. The experience. One of my favorite things that I've ever seen Lottie do

is when we were playing in France at that surf shop and it was like late. Like you don't go surfing at night. Not even surfers do that. Right? No. It's dangerous and it's cold. Right. And this, we had already been

in this water earlier and it was freezing. And Lottie was playing in his, I think he was in his ball gag, right? Probably. At this era, almost for sure. Yeah. And we're playing at some surf shop in like France, somewhere on like a coast of France. Yeah, like coming like up by Spain. Yeah. And we finish our set. And before I could even turn around, Lottie had grabbed a giant

surfboard off of the wall of the surf shop and just sprints out of the venue, runs into the ocean and starts surfing. Pretty sure fully nude. Can he serve? I don't know. But like, but like, I actually was like he's gonna die. You know, it was probably like three in the morning or something because it was that kind of a European gig. Yeah. And was the shop like, suck. No, like I think I think like part of my concern also was like, oh yeah, we're going to like get in trouble. We're going to have to pay for this fucking surfboard.

He just like came back like I want to say like, 10 minutes later maybe. I was just like soaking wet with the surfboard. And he was like, dude, did you just go surfing? And he's like, he's like, yeah, the water is cold. I'm like, yeah. What in God's fuck is wrong with this dude? Wow.

He's living the gimmick, man. When did Black Earth come out? Like the seven. That was a single for worthless. Oh, okay. So that was like a seven inch single that came out like before Worthless. This is one of the things about Weekend Nachos, that's really weird, I think, actually, is that. So all of these CDs and, like, streaming shit we were doing with relapse.

Before every LP, we would put out a 7-inch on A389, and then the vinyl LPs all came out on Deep 6. Oh. So we worked with, like, three labels at all times during the period that we were, like, a real band. quote unquote. Yeah, crazy. But like we never had a contract with anyone ever. You just remind. But those are the things, those are the little things that make like the weekend nachos audience.

Totally. They love that. Yeah. Dude, if you think about it, like, not every band that plays MDF is going to play 8,3 at 9. Not every band that plays some basement with power violence bands that, you know, are less known, you know, is going to play 83 at 9 or MDF. you know, like, right. But like, that's the thing. Like, I mean, at one point, like, we were, like,

going to play with, like, you know, regular hardcore bands, like, trapped under ice or something like that, you know, like, I just feel like, I don't know what got inside us to, like, diversify our audience this much, but, like, somehow was it intentional or did it just happen? I think it seemed intentional.

I think I always wanted to, like, bridge more gaps. Like, when I was doing, the band. Like I was really all about, what's funny is I'm, I think I would say I'm probably not as much like this now in my older age, but at the time when all throughout nachos, I really just never wanted people to feel like they couldn't come to a certain show. Like I never ever. But now you want them. It's not, it's not quite as opposite as I'm making it sound, but I think that I, I, it doesn't bother me as much if there's division. Yeah. You know, I think that there's a, there's a, a place for like some shows to just happen independently of other scenes.

You know, like I think that that's okay. I think before you wanted everybody all the time? I think, yeah, I remember always feeling that way. That's what it is now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Totally. Yeah, I, but see, it's different though. But I think it has nothing to do with like wanting to play different kinds of shows. I think it's something that John has always been. I mean, John is the dude on the bridge nine board.

that you're like, I don't know this guy, but he's like the ultimate shit-talking fucker ever. But he's also the dude that is like, you know, four LPs into Weekend Nacho's existence have toured five countries or whatever. And he's like, oh, like you're a 16-year-old from Indianapolis. Like, we'll come play your fucking graduation party. Like John was just like, dude, if you like us, we like. like you. That's true. And there was no like calculation to it of growing the band. It was just like, you know, punk and hardcore did something for John as like admittedly a weird kid that he wanted to make sure everybody else had. Sure. It's very, very heartfelt, but well spoken, I will say.

You just reminded me of something. We, Harmsway and Nachos did a small, we did like Louisville, Indianapolis. Yeah, small. Atlanta. Holy shit, that's a story. I'll tell that. I'll tell that story, but go ahead. The weekend nacho's van was a very sad environment, we'll say, in terms of comfort. We played. Oh, that was, I was going to tell the story about the knife during the.

Oh, that too. Yeah. Anyway. Dude, we, we were in Indianapolis and you were like, it was the song Black Earth. Uh-huh. and you were like, this song is about recycling and voting and being polite and a whole bunch of other shit I don't care about. Some of my favorite band, like in-between song of banter is legitimately out of this guy. He was born for banter.

Let me ask you this, though, Joe. You guys can confirm something for me. Bo has said to me many times, Chicago doesn't recycle. So Chicago has, I think it is, less than 9% of what is put in recycling bins actually gets recycled. Hey, there's like a weird- I do be lying, but not all the time. You do. Okay, so also my understanding is that there are like, it's very strict about what they will accept.

Yeah. Because that's, there's reasoning. Like, if there's a drop of water in it, you can't recycle. Which is insane. Yeah, it is. We can't figure that out. We can't come up Maybe we're getting that.

Yeah, maybe. But no, that is a real stat. They do. But like, you're just doing as good as you can. Okay. I mean,

I recycle. He lives in the burps. He doesn't live in the city. Oh, okay. But like, I love recycling. But like, Drew, how many places have you lived at

in the city where there's no recycling men that just dumb stuff? So the way Chicago also does it is if you have a single family home, the city provides you with recycling. If you are a landlord and have, you know, like Bo lives in an apartment building, that landlord has to pay for recycling.

So then they just don't do it. It never happens. It's funny we're talking about recycling now because we were just talking about the song Black Earth, which is about... Greenpeace. Yeah, littering and destroying. Yeah, I mean, I wrote it about a time

where I got mad because a guy from Greenpeace tried to talk to me on my way to work. So this is a pro-littering anthem. Yes. Somehow. Wait, how soon after this did Yes Way happen? It was 2013. That was the next record.

Perfect. Perfect timing. They put out the live at Fluff Fest thing the year after Harm's Way was almost ran out of Fluff Fest. So let's, let's breathe. I have a reason for bringing this up. So for anybody who doesn't all really quickly say, we were, Harmesway was on a fest with twitching tongs, with Colin. And we were, harm's way was being

God, they wanted to cancel us over a shirt with James. Pre-cancel. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They were trying to get us kicked off the fest and literally canceled off the fest, but kind of in the public eye. You can hear more about it in episode two. Yeah, exactly. But wasn't it, it wasn't because of a shirt. It was, no, it was the shirt. It was the shirt that said provide,

protect, pro, create our pledge to women, but it's a typo rip-off shirt. It's all tongue and cheek. Right. And, but then also they pulled from like Warriors will rain, blood so pure. They took as like a white nationalist thing, which it's literally about straight edge. It has nothing. All right, right, right. Time out. Okay, I don't, two things, right?

Colin, you'll like this because you're like Mr. Devil's Advocate, right? Not really. All right, fine. To play Devils out of kit, I'm not rude. You motherfucker. All right. So devil's advocate here. Yeah.

And keep in mind, I understand typo negative. Okay. I understand Peter Steele. I'm very influenced by Peter Steele. Yeah. Love the band, right? Can you understand why ripping off typo negative would put that in a group of people's heads? Of course.

Okay. 100%. Okay. Well, like, without a shadow of a doubt, but literally all it takes is like, hey, do you guys mean that? No, we just thought it was funny for James to be drawn as a cartoon. And this quote is on the shirt. We're just ripping off the shirt. Totally.

I get that. The drawing of James as that existed before we decided to do the shirt. No, I get that. And I do agree that all it would take is a conversation. You could say that about a lot of things. Of course. Now, I'm... Especially, most things involving Peter Steele is like, you can't do now.

I thought, now, part two of this is I thought that they, and I was almost sure of this, and I know I was sure of this when I wrote the song, which we're going to talk about. Yeah. I thought that they wanted to cancel you guys because strictly for no other reason than they saw James as like, a macho guy that would like take off a shirt and they thought that you were like promote like yeah they equated that with some type of like machismo massage is right it was all about the patriot the idea of the patriarchy okay and the shirt fits into that when it the quote literally says are right to women but yes the james shirtless thing was like oh this is hyper masculinity right okay that was added that was

it was all what else got it okay yes exactly and then along with the war is will reign lyric so anyway So they tried to cancel us. Nothing happened. Simple as that. Right. The Facebook group. Yeah, they started a Facebook group.

The Facebook group was literally, literally, if you look at it, it still exists. Go find yes or no way for harm's way. The Facebook group is literally liked by Colin Young, Taylor Young, Drew Brown. Like it's literally all of our friends.

But anyway, that happened in which nothing happened. We obviously, we never played it again. But our fluff fest, like, A band that you would assume would always be on a fluff fest or like that, you know, the very left side of... We played it once, right?

Sure. But I'm just saying that you would assume, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah. We're the type of the band to play that for sure. They wrote a song called Yes Way as a fuck you to those people trying to cancel us over something so silly. Yeah, the lyrics. The lyrics are awesome. And like...

And like, truly, what more... like that to me as your friend and as like like we've said a hundred times already a band that's like growing alongside of you yeah could not have meant more yeah i mean it totally contradicts what you and james said about me on that episode of harbour so sure does but also contradicts it was a defense track about a band that i'm just kidding you exited yeah you know not really on your term yeah right he's well that just means you're a better friend he's just a good friend. I will say this. Regardless of how great or not great of a friend I am, this group of friends is like really fucking tight. And like I'm what we've, everything we've said like more so earlier in this episode, but like it truly solidifies like we get nachos in harm's ways.

Like I mean like you couldn't find a better pair of bands that have like existed alongside each other. This fucking guy. He's got like eight of them. I'm in them, though. But you know what? We're from the Midwest. It doesn't count for people on the West Coast. Yeah, we don't say Mid-Lakes. We say Great Lakes.

We say Great Lakes. Oh, okay. We're from the Great Lakes. One of the better antagonistic things I think your band would do was the era of just putting a celebrity on a shirt and then just your name. Yep. Or a not celebrity or Boy Sets Fire. Yeah, the Boy Sets Fire shirt is my favorite merch item that we

we've ever done. Maybe our least popular merch item ever, too. Yeah, we made 30, we made 30 pieces of this item and it took us, I think, six years to sell all of them. We used to just like make really stupid shirts and we would have like, you know, the bag of like $5 fails underneath our merch table everywhere. And we had Boy Sets Fire shirts for like five years. Was it just a promo picture of them?

Yeah. So it's like a promo picture of them when they like got it. on like a major label or something. So it looked like they had been like styled. Yeah, it was like them. It was like a like a glossy like fancy promo picture of Boy Sets Fire. And I took it and I, you know, did the signature like box around it with the weekend nachos aerial black font above it.

Yeah. And we didn't. And that's it. That was the whole shirt. It's just a picture of Boy Set's Fire. But it says weekend nachers instead. And how did you get the Nacho picture disc? Oh, dude.

He does, you know what the worst part about that is? He doesn't even have one. No, I do know. Oh, you got one? Yeah, I ended up, I had to buy it. Man, one of the coolest. I think Andy and I don't have items. It's a five inch, right?

It's an eight, it's technically an eight inch, but it's shaped in a triangle. Right. But, but the triangle is, is like, round, it's rounded. But, but yeah, there's a, there's a tortilla chip. Yeah, there's a screen printed Beavis and Butth had nacho on it. And it's, it's, it's rect. Or it's triangular, but there's like a five inch in the middle. Right.

Right. That's how it is. And the dude that made them is from New Zealand. And it was like the project was delayed for a little while because he lost his eye in a car accident. Holy shit. And the dude like still made the records. Wow. Amazing.

And it's the material from the relapse comp. Yeah. It's just the four songs that we did for the relapse count, but like 50 copies of this exist. How much you pay for it? $40. Not bad. Yeah, I mean, I saw one go on discogs for $300. Yeah, yeah.

Which is insane. That's crazy. That's like a... You also did... I mean, that's one of the coolest things ever. 100%. That's like a wind of pain. 300?

Straight up, dude. Like... 100%. Why... Wind of pain might be cheaper than that. Why is anything that I've done as expensive as a wind of paint? Because it's a nacho.

Yeah. You know what? And you have a Japanese band name. Yeah. You know what? When you make... When I think about the fact that it's a bevis and butthead screens.

I mean, yeah, it should be worth much more than a wind of pain. I also love the direct, like, didn't, um, jock power violence, wasn't that used as like a derogatory term for you guys? It, it started with mind eraser.

So people started calling mind eraser, jock power lines. Then they started calling us jock power violence. Then they started calling, look at us. Like, what the fuck are you fucking? Yeah. Which, which is funny because I think that that song has double meaning for some people because I think that like people that fucking jock power violence

piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're talking shit. Yeah. Right. I think that some people think that. And then, yeah, but, but really like we're almost writing it from the perspective of nobody

except for us. Right. Yeah. It's like, but yeah, the song is just about like power violence purists. Like, I mean, it's ridiculous. Yeah. Dude, the best is the fucking I have one. the crew neck gray athletic sweatshirt that just says weak in nachos,

jock power violence, and then just has a football. A clip art football. Cliff art football. So Google image search before they changed it in like 2016, I think. Oh, dude. Google image search. The gold mine.

Yeah, it was a gold mine. You used to be able to specifically search for like 600 DPI, like high contrast images. And I've found a clip art website that had like really high contrast. And it was like a perfect, it was one of those clip art with like the background, like there was no background. So you could just save it and immediately put it right on to whatever you were making. And so yeah, it's just a clip art football. We're going to reprint him. You know what's hilarious?

First they took that. Then they took media fire. What's next? Colin, you know what's hilarious about that? You saying transparent background, PNG, this man has an art degree. And also made, you made the Freddie Kruger in him in my. Microsoft Paint, right? I made the Weekend Nachos logo in in Microsoft Paint.

What I did was I made it. What I did was I made it. I drew it in Microsoft Paint. And then I enlarged it. So it looked like even worse. Like it looked so, so bad. Like, and then I put a border around it. And to this day, it's on a shirt that we sell.

Wow. Do you remember the B9 threads where it was like, make something in MS Paint and post it? Of course. Yeah. Were you part of those? No, this was way before that. Wow. This was 2000.

Well, I guess. I'm just saying, were you posting? Were you participating in that? No, no, no, no. I never made any more MS. Pain art after that. That was your only one time. The debut.

Yeah, but I remember that the reason I did it like that, like, partly to make sure it looked shitty, right? But, like, also because I just, like, really wanted to make a shirt for this show that we were doing, and I had no other means of making a. design. So I just drew it in MSP paint and like that's awesome. I blew it up and put a border around it in Photoshop and I probably

could have made a much nicer logo in Photoshop. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, 100%. That's what it's for. Yeah. Which is like another perfect example of this band. Perfectly shitty versions of something that you are fully

capable of doing professionally. Grab your, the weekend nacho store. Grab that artwork. Oh, real quick. I have a a self-portrait. John lived with me for a short period of time, live with me and... That's fun. And my ex in this apartment. What did you guys do together?

Hold on to nothing. But we, well, we worked together at H&M as well. Yep. At that time. I lived here for two months. It was awesome. I was in between relationships. It was amazing.

This is John. This is a self-portrait. Oh, shit. By John. You had bangs? It's a hoodie. But he also did. You kind of did that.

Oh, no, those are banks. Yeah, those are banks. That's right. Definitely. On the back is a, an inscription for me. It says, Bo. Always believe in yourself. With love, John Caution.

What a God. A fucking prophet. And that lives on the wall. I forgot that you had that. Yeah. I think Aeros had it. Aeros has, you did a series. There was a series.

Yeah. There was a series. One is of you in a zero skateboarding hoodie punching Jesus. Fuck yeah I want that one That Bernie You're in the purse Bernie hit me up

Dude I knew that one Dude I He will not Let me have that back No no No it's gone All this what we're saying This is why we can nachos

We're dying for it It's back Yeah Thank God That's what I said earlier I was like I think we're gonna be fine Because I'm like

I'm like reviewing all this And I'm like You know like This all still makes sense to me Like everything Even more so. Yeah, for sure. Do you have...

So we haven't... So Harmsway hasn't been playing shows for a long time now. Right. You guys haven't been playing shows for longer. When was the last show, 2017? Correct. Right?

January 2017. But because of Hardlore, I'm keenly aware of like how the music scene is, how live shows are. Right. Ticket sales, merch sales, things like this. Right. Do you feel...

How do you feel about kind of getting back into the world of live music. And Drew can attest to this. I dragged him kicking and screaming. Yeah, I had to be like, I mean, yeah, it was a struggle for me to accept that this was a good idea. Really? Yeah. I mean, like, people have been reaching out to us, like some of them, I think, because they just don't fucking pay attention to the world at all.

Sure. And we're like, you know, we broke up January 27th or 17th or whatever the fuck. early it was January 3rd and 4th I think okay there we go so by like January 15th then somebody was like hey you guys want to come play Cleveland and it was like dude we broke up fucking two weeks ago like what are you talking about the whole thing and that and that you like you literally can't take that seriously obviously because it's like oh it's awesome shortly thereafter people were like hey will you come play this fast well you know like at a time where it was like dude we broke up like a year ago like yeah if we're going to get back together

It's going to be, you know, like, God forbid, but, you know, like our buddy's sick. We're going to play. You know, like, for a reason. If we're going to get back together, we're going to play with God forbid. Exactly. That's all that. To it. But they got to be, they got to be on their way back now.

Probably. Or maybe they never stopped. Tons of these bands just were going. The homie, the homie doc coil, dude. He's in, uh, he's in bad wolves now. Oh. Even after we broke up, we like always said, like, never. see never you know we weren't ever one of those bands that were like we're breaking up that's it done

but we knew like our original run was over and that remains true like there's nothing that's going to change that right so yeah go on yeah i'll try and make this have a flow hit me hit me drew blow me so you know we were getting those offers almost immediately and we're just kind of like no way and wouldn't take any of them seriously a few years later, a few offers would come in from people that had a connection to the band back in the day. So it was like, okay, this is like kind of legit. Like this guy maybe helped us a bunch in Europe and he's asking if we would play. And we would have those conversations.

Like, will we do this? And the answer was always no. And then for me at least, and I'm the one that kind of started this conversation, COVID happened and didn't see anyone, didn't do anything, didn't go anywhere. And, you know, hardcore was always like this community of people, and we were lucky enough to experience it all over the whole world. Yeah. And it felt like we had missed being anywhere and that people again started reaching out to us like,

hey, would you guys want to play? And it was at a point where I was like, I haven't left my fucking house in two years. It would be awesome to see my friends again and even play music with my friends again. You know, like I hadn't been playing with John for a while at that point, hadn't played with Lottie. So we got an offer that we almost accepted last year.

And we just ended up turning it down still. Um, no, there's, there's something. There's a reason. We have to wait. Well, we, we did want it to have, to have a purpose. Yeah. Which like, this is 20, 24 will be 20 years since the band started, which feels meaningful in a way that 19 years didn't. Um, and then some friends of mine, like a guy who was actually in like the very first hardcore band I was ever in in junior high here.

Land, land. Called one of the first bands I ever got into. Hard name. Yeah. They were awesome. Fast, right? Yeah, they were like a, they were like a, well, you guys would have considered yourself grindcore, right?

Yeah, I think it was like a grindy punk thing. Yeah. And. The lyrics were amazing. So he went on to do, uh, sort of like a, you know, mainstream emo or whatever you would call it, band called Spittlefield. Mainstreamo?

Yeah. That, like, put out a record on victory in 2003. That did very well. So this year is the 20th anniversary of that. And their drummer could not play any of their anniversary shows. So I actually went out and toured with them and kind of had the experience that I feel like Hardlore has been talking about where you're like, yeah, like touring is fucking lit right now, you know, it's awesome.

And that's kind of what like our friends in full of hell and primitive man have been saying us too. Like, man, touring is awesome right now. And I got to experience it firsthand. Nachos was getting these offers to play again. And when I was able to kind of go out and experience touring even in a nostalgic way and be like, you know what? Like I certainly had reservations about nostalgia. But like, yeah. I went out there, I did it, I had so much fun playing with my friends, playing music, traveling.

I came back to everybody and was just like, yo, like, we're getting these offers and like, I just did this with a band that doesn't, you know, it still means something to me. These Spittletfield guys are my great friends. I was around for the making of this album, but it wasn't my band. And I was like, if I can feel awesome going out and playing shows with this thing that's like, tantalphalphalphalph. tangentially important to me. Like, dude, if we go out and play, like, it's now. Now is the time. Yeah.

And like, you know, look, you could always, when you're like. Here comes bridge nine shit. Yeah. No, when you're, when you're like a certain age and you think you know everything, right? Yeah. You haven't lived really at all, you know, you can say all kinds of shit and make up all kinds of shit about what's why you don't want to do this like case in point perfect that we brought up me quitting that band over the grill a biscuit show you know like whatever and it's not to say that

those like reasons don't mean anything but it's like everybody is subject to at one point be like yeah why the fuck wouldn't we do this right right yeah i mean there is literally no conceivable reason based on all the things that drew saying at some point it's like yeah that that those reasons start to outweigh whatever you thought might have been the reason that you either didn't want to do something or felt that you shouldn't. Right. Right. So

yeah, man. At the end of the day, I think the way that I phrased it to everybody was like, I feel like playing some shows. Like, that's fucking it. That's the thing. In 2016, you didn't feel like playing shows anymore. Yeah. Oh, no. And we also thought at that point,

we couldn't, like, we can nachos was a band that for X amount of years had operated like this. We toured the states every year. We toured Europe every year. We did a record every two years. And we didn't want to do it that way anymore. And it felt like it couldn't be weekend nachos if it wasn't that way. But with perspective, I don't think that's actually true. Right. Of course. Right. Well, I mean, full of hell that you brought up earlier is maybe number one proof that weekend nachos should not have gone away. Because my God, those boys grinded until they were, they built an empire.

True. Yeah. We, I want to say their first tour ever, and this is a testament to sort of what I was talking about when I had my heartfelt statement about John being a weirdo

with a heart of gold is I can't remember if it was Spencer or Dylan. It's probably, probably Dylan. I think messaged John on like MySpace sets. that time on full of hell's first East Coast tour ever that like they couldn't get shows and they liked us and we had shows so they just john was just like yeah some like guys messaged me and want to play these shows so i put them on these ones it's awesome it actually is now that

like you're mentioning this like it is insane to think that that band is full of hell and they repaid the favor times a million by taking us to japan like five years later They're fucking awesome. Yeah. And I definitely insisted that we opened for them. Because that was like a point. Like that was a discussion that we had, Dylan and I. Like who's going to open for who in Japan?

And I was just like, dude, it is time for us to open for you. Like that is, this is the point where, you know, the whole bluestre, whole, well, kiss, blue oyster cult. Blue oyster cult kiss thing. Can't even talk. What was that? What's what's that thing? Cobo Hall to the day.

Yep. Dude, I'm glad you got. Yeah, I'm glad you got the reference. I got you. Yeah, I got you.

It's like one year apart. Yeah. Kiss open for Blue Easter Colt. One year later. Blue Easter Colt open for Kiss. And like willingly or was it like a? It was no. They had,

Kiss had vastly exceeded their size. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like one of those things. Like I don't want to be that type of band that like feels like we should play after a band for, like some dumb reason like we can't yeah like we we can't fucking get over ourselves or some shit like that you know like that that is obviously off the table like that mindset but yeah i was like so excited to have it be reversed and go with them you know it just like it felt so good because like

you see the the work that's put in you see like a band like full of hell that just like lives for this shit and doesn't stop you know like they would have gone on to do that with or without us. But, you know, it's still cool to know that we had something to do with that in the beginning. And you guys are definitely two bands that never for one second compromised who you were. For sure. And that led you to going, I don't want to play shows for a few years. Yeah.

And that's awesome. And that led to them going, we're going to play shows forever until the wheels fucking fall off. And now it's nice for me to see that you guys got. to the point where it's like, okay, we want to do this again. Because that's when, like, though, when we start to treat these bands as like businesses or just as everything's a cycle, like you were saying, Drew, the reason you started the band is gone.

The reason you want to be there is sucked out. It's an obligation. And the weekend nachos of today is by choice, baby. Absolutely. You're eating that motherfucking nacher because you want to. I mean, I will say that, like, now that Drew wants to. Now that we're past, like, the stage where, like, I had to kind of, like, see why this was, like, a great thing. It's like, I just, I don't even question anymore.

It's just something I'm excited about, you know. Have you practiced yet? Yeah. Twice. Without John. Without John. Because he lives far away. Yeah, I live far away.

And honestly, like, when we did our first run, like, they, they practiced without me all the time, too. Dude. So we're a band where I think sort of like, like yourself, like John can play guitar, bass or drums. I can barely play guitar and can play bass and drums. So we were always lucky enough to be able to work on music in like multiple configurations as long as one person of Brian, John, or I was there to play drums. That's awesome. So we were able to make music really quickly. And I have to say, so Harbour's Way is still in the same practice building, but we're in another room that's like a couple doors down. And we were getting, we were practicing the other night and I was like getting stuff set up. And I hear them practicing down the,

down the hall. And it was like, it felt awesome. It felt like like the old days. You know what I mean? It was just like, whoa, nachos are practicing. Harmsway is about to practice. And we have this show coming up together. And how cool is it that like we went. from, right in the beginning, we talked about the first California trip when we played the Locus House in San Jose. Oh, man. Which like, you know, and like some of those guys remember that and it's talked about or whatever, but like realistically, there was like 30, 40 people there. Totally. But yeah, wasn't that dude from Gulch at that show?

I think, I think he said. He's everywhere. Yeah, yeah. So like we, you know. The reason I keep bringing him up is because like me being like somewhat out of touch, like I think of Gulch as like one of the. bigger bands that's happened in like the last they they absolutely are yeah yeah so like it's just like what i think and interestingly a lot of other bay bands also are currently yeah like tsunami drain drains from the bay and i didn't know that yeah bay is the spot bay is the spot right now okay

uh but anyway i was gonna say it's it's it's really cool to think about like we didn't think i didn't think flying for a hardcore band was possible you know and it was that long ago and now we're gonna play the metro together dude that's fucking that's like a beautiful thing. I mean, like, our first show back being with you guys is like... Feels good. It reminds me of when Stop and Think said, okay, we'll get back together when mental releases their LP, you know, and Stop and Think played the mental record release show.

It kind of feels like that for me. It's awesome. We're going to need the headline, though. Finally. We'll play with you as long as full of hell headlines. That's it. that's it. In Japan.

Yeah. Yeah, in Japan. Now you're talking. Should we do the kind of standard cardboard formula for the boys now? We can wrap her up. You guys eat good? This man eats, dude, we need one. You and I were talking about it over tacos.

This man used to hate an onion to the point. And Colin, I know you don't fuck with onions either, but for a different reason. Rare. Yeah, it's rare. It's rare. Colin's got like hyper, what do you call it? they're just very my taste buds are like very strong he's got like a hyper mouth so an onion if i bite into an onion there's no other flavor around that's all he gets i kind of feel like that's either what i used

to think was going to happen or like or what you did experience right things change you know right he could if an onion was on something he it wasn't no good now he's oh see i'll i'll pick it all but now he's on a taco onions and cilantro only wow dude i can't believe i ever ate it a taco any other way. Huge gross. It all started, dude, this all started because of a show on Netflix called The Taco Chronicles,

which is, dude, it's awesome. Lime, you do the lime? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, sure. Especially on a Pasteur taco. Yeah, absolutely. And the pastor at this place that Bo and I just went to

tonight was phenomenal. It is not easy to find good pastore in Chicago. No. Like, I'd say, apparently good Mexican food in Chicago is like super common. What's up with that? It's a third of the population. So, so yeah, Mexican food in Chicago is fine, but I'm just saying like Pastor, it's

specifically like, like Asada, pretty good most places, I think. Yeah, sure. But Pastor for some reason, just doesn't hit it most places for me. So when I saw John at a barbecue that Drew had, the failed, the faded barbecue that got like rained out, he was talking to me about. our fast food tier list. Uh-oh. And I think the top five, you mostly guessed minus one. I think so.

He couldn't get Wingstop, which I will say to a lot of people. It's accelerated cuisine. It's accelerated cuisine. But it was on there. But to a lot of people is like not top five worthy. I'm not saying I agree. You know what? Wingstop is one of those things I just don't really think about.

Like it just wasn't even on my radar to mention this. our list, but I did get a few of the others. You did. You nailed McDonald's. Did you have some problems with the list? You have some issues? You praised us for Portillo's, obviously. I was very surprised that you guys put that on the list, like, so high on. Colin, graciously, I wasn't going to say Portillo's, but you said Portillo's.

And it was like one of those things where I took a knee, you know? You know how, like, you know how in the movie Rudy? like the Rudigers or whatever are like obsessed with Notre Dame football and that's like a part of their family. Yeah. That's what Portillo's is to my family. And honestly to me as well. Yeah, like a lot of families in the Midwest.

It's like a staple. I mean, that's great and out. Great lakes. Great lakes. Yeah, exactly. Well, actually, like I will strike somebody physically for for in and out. And I feel like you would do the same for Portillo's. I love it.

And even Drew now can enjoy a veggie dog at Portillo's. Dude, I like the, welcome, my daughter, my wife and daughter are vegetarians. You're a daughter? Yes, I do. You've been living. Awesome. My daughter is amazing.

She's great friends with several lawn statues that I have in my backyard. You got lawn statues? You've been living too. Yeah, man. Every one of weekend nachers has something going on. So let me ask, so let's ask you. guys what we call the golden arches question oh okay nachos driving down the road you got all the time in the world you pass a sign a magic sign that has every single fast food chain on it but it's fast food

so it's not some like a little shop that you know of it's fast food something that you can get at other in other places what is the one where you're like oh fuck they have that let's go fudruckers dude incredible immediate answer first fudrrucker Fudderockers is so fucking good. Dude, we, do you know how happy I am to hear you say that? Dude, we went from Boston.

We went from Boston to Salem. To do a, like a hauntler episode and to talk to Kurt Baloo. And there was a fud ruckers in a mall. And he and I were both just like, oh shit, they got a fud ruckers here. And they're gone.

They're all gone. Dude, I'm not even basing this on like personal experience with weekend natures. I'm just saying, if you saw that. If this was like an inkblot test, you there's no right or wrong answer.

First thing that comes to mind, whenever I have seen a fudruckers pop up on one of those signs before. Yeah. And I don't think I've ever been able to stop and eat there. We always had to go to Taco Bell because I'm vegan. Yeah. Which I think is like the story for any band. That's the fair answer, but I'm so glad that Fuddruckers finally got some love.

Dude, first one. One of my food. Yeah. It's gone, dude. And truly, the Sherman. Fuddrocks, Fuddruckers that used to be there was like a weekly thing for me. Dude, dude, get this. I

have like memories of going to Fud Ruckers with my family before going to Portillo's. Yeah, same. They had the original Teenage Meeting into Turtles arcade game in the Fud Ruckers. That was part of the best part about going to Fud Ruckers is they would have amazing video games

that were free? Like, no, you start to pop a quarter. He had a coin system. There's a coin system. Dude, Colin. But man, when we... Pump and cheddar on to your fucking pound I call the I call the food

the Fuddrucker's cheese pump the eighth one day of the world oh my man dude there was that the fries rocked if you were a kid you got a chocolate chip cookie oh yeah

you got to bring the ticket up to the corner and you got a cookie dude were they the were the thick ass fries there what started your love of thick ass fries though

probably that's a fat it's a fat fry but I prefer the portillo's the crinkle cut fry portillo's but here's the thing other than

Portillo's and Shake Shack, there's not a good Crinkle Cutt fry. White Castle has him. White Castle has him. Come on. You're right about Shake Shack. Shake Shacks and Portillo's are shake. Okay, shake shack. I agree. Shake Shack has their own style of crinkle cut.

You love Shake Shack, don't you? I do. I love it. It's incredible. When I eat Shake Shack every time because I always spend all right, when I go to Shake Shack, I don't think about any money. I just make sure I just talking to his language. just make sure. You wouldn't be there if you were.

No, I know that. I know that. But regardless, I just make sure I get whatever I want when I'm there. I don't even think about what it's going to cost. Whatever it ends up costing is what it costs. So I always spend around $22. If you know, John, you know that that's fucking insane. John is very mindful of money, but I will say. 22. Okay. Is that what you're saying? He's a frugal man. But I will say, I will truly tell you,

that ever since I've known you, the one thing you really don't care about is spending money on good food. 100%. Yeah. That's like the one thing. It's literally what I spend any money on. Yeah. I don't buy records. That's where it should go is like sustaining yourself.

Who besides Drew buys records? He do be buying records. Dude. Drew, but is Taco Bell your choice, though? Yeah. That you're perfectly content. Oh, I love it, man. It's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's,

completely its own food, period. That's what I'm always arguing with people. I feel like the guys in like rats, maybe even the guys in the Spittal Field band that I was recently touring with, they throw in for a Chipotle. And my thing is Chipotle's trying to be something it isn't. Taco Bell is fucking self-actualized.

Wow. I like you, Drew. Drew is fresh off Riot Fest stage, by the way, Spittlefield played Riot Fest. Oh, wow. Tell him what happened to old boy, 10 seconds into your set. This is insane.

Our, you know, aging band, much like weekend nachos will be, so hopefully we survive. But first, first song, drum riser jump, torn ACL.

Like 15 seconds. Literally 10 seconds. Those are going around lately. Dude, homeboy, though. Planet is asked in front of the microphone and played the whole set. Yeah. And what's funny,

what's funny is, though, I was watching, like, oh, he, because he jumped, landed weird and, like, fell and, like, rolled. And I was like, oh, he's standing still. He's probably fucking embarrassed. Like, I've fallen on stage. It's very embarrassing. Dude, you didn't tell me that he fell and rolled.

Yeah, well, he, like, got up kind of weird. And then it just looked like he was just standing really still. And it was like, he's probably so embarrassed. Oh, he's so silly. He just, and you know what's funny? Something I noticed, too. And this is not a disit hint because what can you do is like, I would notice his effects would stay on a little long.

Like, there would be. reverb over parts where they're blah blah blah that's because he couldn't he was lifting a leg because he had to stand on his good leg so he was lifting a leg that was fucked casualty of the core getting hit more and more let me let me ask you something drew shoot you're a reasonable rational man I'm known to be definitely you believe in ghosts it's a challenge because I I really want to but I don't necessarily I think I I think you and I are akin in that way. John.

You ever seen anything that you can't explain? Not really. John. I don't believe you. You've been known to be a little irrational and emotional in the past. This fucking motherfucker right here. Do you believe in ghosts? I'm going to not answer your question.

Just to spite you. No, I'm just... John, dude, if I ask you, was your answer? Yeah, sure, man. You can talk to a like-minded, yeah, sick individual. Dude, you know what? I'm going to get married again and invite you and not,

Bo. That's what I'm talking. That's what I'm going to do. Renew those vows. Yeah, yeah, redo the vows. You believe in ghosts, John? I've never thought about it. Give me a second.

And then I want to finish what I was saying about Shake Shack. Wow. That's my man. You two are fucking. That's what I'm talking. Do I believe in ghosts? Have they ever seen anything

that would make you believe so? Never. You never seen anything you couldn't explain. no never well chicago's not even haunted so yeah everybody yeah i've never i've never seen anything i couldn't explain ever i'm gonna just go with no i don't believe in ghosts but like i also have a mentality that there's like literally no reason not to believe in anything like dude love that if you think about it like dude science what fuck is that all theories dude guess work none of this None of this is any less strain or like any more strange thing.

Dude, cameras. How did they do that? How do you figure that out? How are you saying you right now? Yeah, right. Dude, no, that's the thing. It's like for me to. Planes?

Dude. Sometimes I'll just look up and I'll be like magnets. Had that good. Yeah, magnets. Yeah, magnets. How do they work? I seep headlined the stage we played at, uh, and I heard that they, there's some juggle.

Juggalo's booed a sleep token off the stage. Is that true? I don't know, but that's awesome. I got to the bottom of it. They went over by like 20 minutes on their set. That's time out. And you don't cross the juggalo. No.

Those guys were nice as hell. You met them? Oh yeah. They were cool? Yeah. It was great. ICP? Yeah.

You met both of them? I think they're like legendarily cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Yeah, they were a sound checking when we arrived. Bruce LaPage famously told me that when he worked with him at the Worcester Palladium. They were like the best to work with.

The most professional, the most straightforward, easy to work with. Because the Fago shower, they know what they're doing at the venues at the end. And they're like, they got to be courteous because they'll be back. All right, time out. You know,

they use Diet Cola, Fago. Yes. All right. So I'm not even talking about technology as in why wouldn't I believe in ghosts. I'm talking about. Like science theory. Dude, like anything,

space. Yeah. The difference is like any, anything. The difference is with science, there's something that can be repeated. Okay. And that's the more and more. There's been two ghosts for sure.

What's that? There were two ghosts at some point. There was a repetition. Look, I don't, guaranteed. I don't not believe because I don't think it's impossible. I'm not a cynic. I'm just a skeptic. See, you know, I do think that there are things that we can't explain.

I can't explain to you how ultraviolet light and x-rays and microwaves exist. See, you're all around. But you're still talking about technology in a sense. I'm talking about like what is more strange than space and planets. Ghost. Yeah, it's crazy. Why? Because again, because we can observe and replicate.

You can't do that with a ghost or God or things like that. All right. You win. Watch me. What's another one of our questions there, Colin? Wait, hold on. Who do you do, guys? Oh, yeah.

Okay, I know, shake, shake, shake, shake. Good call on that last one. This is not even that profound, but I have to finish it. Please. Okay. So I'm not saying that shake, I'm not declaring that shake shack is the best, okay? But I will say that every time I go to shake shack and every time I take my first bite, my brain says this is absolutely the best meal that fast meal that money can buy. Wow.

And I'm not, I'm not claiming. It's up there for sure. I'm not claiming it is necessarily, but I'm saying that's what my brain says every time I eat it. I think ounce for ounce Chipotle still wins when it comes to price and quality. Yeah, but everything. I'm not saying it's the best.

I'm just thinking... In and out wins. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. A double double. That's eight bucks. Yeah, how much is a double double? The meal is like legit eight dollars.

It's like $5.95 for the double double. All right. So if you don't count quality, yeah, Drew might disagree. But if you don't count quality, but you just count like... Caloric intake. for a dollar spend.

Dude, I can eat two cheesy bean and rice burritos at Taco Bell and technically be a vegetarian. Yeah. For $2.60. And I will be full for. Are those, is that, is that still accurate though, pricing wise? Things might have. I just, I just did it on the 99 cent menu still.

Dude, I just don't. They still have a $9. They're $1.27. Dude, I remember back in the day when the McDouble went to a dollar, like $1.26 or something and you were like, what the fuck is going on? Sure. What are they doing? And I remember thinking like,

oh, it's not that big. Now it's like $3.50. It's like $2.85 here, which, you know, it's going to be less expensive here. Holy shit. I forget, was raising canes on you guys's list? Yeah. Bo is not a Keynesman. I'm not a cany act, dude. It's not a

Kaniak. So, wait a second. You didn't answer my question. Was it on the list? It's on. It's in like the C or B. I like it a lot. I believe it's in B. I love raising. Do you, you fuck with the sauce?

I could drink it. I believe. It's one of the great sauces of our time. Excellent. You know what? I don't care how easy it might be to make. All I care is that they make it for me. I don't get it on my chicken.

It being easy to make is, yeah, that's nothing. Well, I've heard that. I've heard that though. Oh, it's just this and this. Well, you didn't make it.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you put the, the pepper rale? on your shake shack stuff? The red, what is it, Colin? Oh, John, the cherry pepper relish. Never had it.

Next time you go give it a shot. It is what unlocked. If you're already feeling that way when you're biting in, this is going to change everything. Well, it's a little spicy, but you fuck with a little spice. It doesn't matter at this point to me.

But I will say that what I like doing at Shakechack, which is also what I like doing at Portillo's and also what I like doing at Fugrackers is I like putting multiple different types of cheese on it. Okay. So I'll get a double shack burger, which is awesome because it comes with cheese. Like the one that you order, like you don't have to get a cheeseburger at at Shikshack. It's just the one that has cheese at it, right? It's like $13 for the sandwich alone. Yeah, I've never, I've never not gotten a double though. I, or not saying, I get two doubles.

Yeah. I, there was one time where I got a double and I was like still hungry and I couldn't afford to get another double, so I just got a single. Hey, respect. But still, the person that I was eating with was, like, disgusted at how much food I was eating. You got to eat with me. There will be no judgment. No shit.

Man, can eat. Oh. Oh. I'll get a cheeseburger. And then Shick-Shack has that, like, sauce that they put on it. That's also good. It's got, like, a smokiness to it. And then I will also dip that in the cheese.

And I do that with portillo. too. I'll get like a cheeseburger and like just dip every bite in the cheese that comes with the fries. I'm not a huge like extra cheese or like cheese sauce guy, but I've heard that the Portillo's one is like dynamite. Wait, you've never had the Portillo's cheese? I've probably had it, but I've never had like the beef and cheese croissant. I've heard it's real good. Yeah, James is all about that. Yeah. He doesn't know. Um, you heard it here? The table's turn on. James on this episode, big time. No, I feel like he's just going to watch this and laugh.

So it's fine. All right. But yeah, you know what? The beef and cheddar croissant is always been a weird item for me. It's good, but it's just like get a cheeseburger or an Italian beef. Yeah, yeah. I'm a big beef guy. Now, if you get a combo at portillo's and you add mozzarella cheese and sweet peppers to that,

that is. That sounds good. You know what the combo is? No. It's a beef sandwich with a Polish sausage in it. No, it's an Italian sausage. Yeah. Excuse me.

What the hell of me? You never showed me that. You're absolutely right. You never told me to get that, but that's fucked up, dude. With mozzarella cheese. Do Colin,

when we're in Detroit. I would fucking. When we're in Detroit, when we're in Detroit, let's see if we can find a fud ruckers. I bet there's one. I bet there's one. All right,

ask them. I'll go to one in, fuck. There's probably one in Times Square. We'll do that. I ask him, asking the the question. All right. So in the, in

when thinking of weekend nachos, you guys as individuals who, this question is who do you do? It was bestowed upon us by Colin of Arabia. Excellent. Where he wants to know who you're doing as a guy when you're on stage performing.

Like who were the two, three musicians you saw where you were like, I'm going to take that and do it. So my answer just to give you an example was Hetfield. and porcel got it i'm like kind of blending those two i think they have the best styles who do you emulate when you're on stage yeah that's what we we call it who do you do so as john the singer of weekend nachos who do you do so is it like who do i successfully do or who in my head am i thinking of right for me

we're a couple guys that inspired yeah for me as a frontman even though i'll never be this crazy okay never it's always been Timmy from No Justice. Always. That makes sense. Because when I start to like go off when we play, I'm not even doing the same moves as him or anything, but I've always thought like, okay, be unhinged like Timmy from No Justice. Like whatever you want to do right now, just do it.

And like every time I saw No Justice play, which is like probably like the early 2000s, I think. Like yeah. It's just like, dude, this guy does not control. himself. Like, I mean, that last show video

is one of the greatest hardcore live videos of all time. Totally. Of all time. Yeah. There's a team

dedicated to just putting shit back that he throws. It's so cool. Drew. Dude, I think in terms of actual vocal performance,

I think John's most apparent influence is bastard, though. Oh, sure. I think that's what he was trying

to get out of himself. Is that true? Yeah, definitely. Interesting. Okay. Colin, how do you feel about that? If you could, if you could.

If you could, dude, if you could, I would say it's a mixture of Dan lactose from Spaz and the singer of Bastard because it's, there's always been that like power violence bark that I got from like infest in Spass. Yeah, sure. You know, but yeah, like the, the, uh, the, uh, is very Japanese. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And like, yeah, I would say it's a combination of Bastard. and power vines, like perfectly.

You know? Yeah. I mean, if I'm thinking about playing bass and being like... Do drums too, because he's a very good drummer. Well, drums is like... Totally different. 100% taking the band from the Chicago area, Braid, who are like a...

Sort of like a weird time signature, very creative emo band. And folding that dude's drum style into hardcore pun. That's cool. Cool. For bass, John bringing up spas, I think it's actually probably Chris Dodge, just like one of the first people I heard that was using like weird, you know, distorted bass and also just the vibe of spas of just like they were this heavy band, but they're super wacky. When you saw them play live, none of them looked anything like what you pictured in your head when they played. and then they just like fucking ripped. Dude, first two spas mentions on the show, I think.

Yeah, I think so too. This is why, you know? Yeah, I will proudly be happy about that. John needs his second dinner. Yeah, I do need my second dinner. I will proudly be happy about that. That's the state. That's the statement.

Dude, and one of the best things ever, too, about someone like fucking spaz is that like we ended up being able to play with infest and despise you both when Dodge was in the band. And like low threat profile. Those guys are fucking amazing too. Like, you know, meeting your idols, some dangerous shit. And meeting the dudes you're like modeling your base playing off of and just having to be in punk and shit. That is that is another thing that I always think is hilarious when like the power violence purists are like, like, oh, we can not just not real power violence.

Number one, like, we don't fucking care if we are or not. Number two, it's like you've got, you got us, you know, playing shows with these bands that, like, I mean, we worship them in a different way, I would say. Like, we have, like, a tie to them because it's like, we can admit, like, yeah, we love these bands. Yeah. But then there's other people that are simultaneously, like, talking shit about us that, like, literally worship these bands. Like, they, like, literally fucking jerk off to it. And so it's like, probably. So it's like, you know, there's like a sense of authenticity when you know that it's like, okay, what you're trying for and we're not really trying for, like we're still doing better.

And we're the ones than you are. Yeah. You know. Right. Okay. I got you now. It's like when you're not trying to do something, you're probably going to do it better than somebody that it's. 100%.

So. One question. Also, a lot of the time, the influenced. can surpasses the influencer because you can take everything you've learned from all these things I'm not saying you guys are like I feel like if I said

you guys are bigger and better than spas it would be like fuck you man but I'm saying in a broad sense you the bands that like laid the groundwork for the future didn't have anything to go off of totally we've got all these things

we can pull influences from and then people don't know. It's like if you were to, if you were to use a band like have heart, for example, like, yeah, you could say like, okay, chain of strength, you know, probably a pretty big band in their time. But like, when you think about like what have heart

has had to work with that chain of strength did not. Yeah. You look at have heart's influence. Right. And what they did with the opportunities that they had. It's like. And it's like chain of strength and fill in a parking. spot or parking space with 10,000 people.

Right. And you know what? Like if I heard a young kid say like, have heart is better than chain of strength ever would be. Like, I wouldn't fucking care that they said that. Like go for it. Like, yeah. They would, they would be right. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, it's like whether they're right or not in my eyes, it's like that kid have heart is what

matters matters to them. You know, like that's like that just proves what you're saying, Colin. A crazy thing, just something that happened over the weekend at Ryefell's during Gorilla Biscuits. They do a minor threat cover by minor threat by minor threat. And there was like a guy who I could figure out who it was who looked kind of wacky. And Siv was like, we like to throw it back to the old school. And speaking of old school, this is Springer, singer of SSD control. And he was just like hanging out on stage.

And then they covered minor threat. It was just the wildest. And then talk about, you know, bands that barely existed that influenced other bands and then grill a biscuit. Yeah. blah, blah. It's wild.

Wow. Big time. Well, I think this is the longest episode in the history of hard lore. Yeah, I think so. But there's, there's a pause. There's stuff to add it.

Yeah, no, no, this is good. Yeah, I mean, you're probably got like 20, 30 minutes of shit to work with here. No, we're good to go. This is all staying. We're good.

You got to trim some of this shit off. Anything you want to tell the kids? Um, the show got announced last week by the time this comes out. Oh, nice. Okay. Um, I will say that now that the cat's out of the bag about us doing these shows,

see, I was like, what's funny is I was about to be like, I just want to tell everybody that we're like really excited to put, dude, that sounds fucking stupid to say, to say something like that. So I don't want to say that. I just want to say that like the way that we're kicking this off with the show with Harms Way is like 100%. It's just, it's going to be a Chicago,

like a legendary Chicago. Chicago game. Yeah. And, you know, when we do play these other shows, like, it's just, there's more stuff coming than what everybody knows about so far. Like, we're going to be playing shows throughout 2024. We're just iron and shit out still. There we go.

That's huge. Breaking news. My only goal for it is for it to just be as fun as it was. Yeah. You know, so there's nothing, there's nothing, there was no other real expectation for it besides that. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect answer.

This was a great episode. Thank you, John. Thank you, Drew. Thanks for having us. Weekend nachos is back, man. Period. Unforgivable. We will see you all next week. Get tickets for the Harm's Way record release with Weekend Nachos right now. I might as well say it's Harmsway Weekend Nachos,

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