HealthyGamerGG - Dr. K Chats with @Sapnap

Episode Date: June 7, 2024

In today's episode, Dr. K speaks to Sapnap about his YouTube journey, the secret sauce of success, and how to efficiently and effectively manage the emotions that come with it. Check out more mental health resources here! https://bit.ly/3xsk6fE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome, dude. How are you? Doing good. How are you? Good. What do you go by? Sap nap or Nick. You call me whatever you want. What do you prefer? Um, let's just do sapnap, I guess. Let's do it for sapnap.

Sap nap it is. Yeah. And the first of all, Sapnap, thank you so much for coming on today. You know, we tend to we talk to people just about whatever. Yeah. For about an hour or two. I'm down to talk about

whatever for an hour or two. Sometimes people have particular like questions or areas of interest in the realm of psychology, neuroscience, mental health, or spirituality. But sometimes we just vibe and like, it's all good. Okay. I'm kind of done to vibe. I guess I don't,

I'm honestly down for whatever. Yeah. literally whatever. Can you just tell us like so what we try to do here is just have conversations with people about their experience of life. Okay. And can you tell us just a little bit about yourself? Sure. Gosh, I guess I, a little bit about myself, I'll talk about my likes. I'm a really big, I kind of like everything. I'm one of those people that just kind of likes everything. That makes sense? Like I think I have a lot of likes. Like I like, I got like computers. I'm really into video games, but I also like sports and stuff.

I guess I would, maybe not like everything. I feel like I'm like a typical guy, I guess. I don't know. I like sports. I like video games. God. I like anime as well. I have like anime posters in the background.

I like Pokemon. I don't know. I just like I kind of like the typical, kind of what everyone else likes. I don't know. That's cool, man. So you're one of us. Yeah, yeah, one of us.

Any favorite animas? Yeah, honestly. I think my favorite anime of all time is hunting. Hunter Hunter. Okay. But recently I've been really... That's Hunter X Hunter? Yeah, Hunter X Hunter.

Okay. And then I've been also really getting into like Jiu Jizu Kaysen. Because I have like a carpet with one of like the characters on it. Um, I don't know why. It's just been getting me. I think it's really good. What is Jiu Jitsu Kizen about? Um, essentially it's about these people and, uh, there's curses in the world.

Like, like, uh, humans emotions manifest into like, like, uh, these actual things called curses that are like bad and like kill people and something like that and then essentially it's their job to fight the curses to help people. And the curses are born of human emotion? Yeah, yeah, exactly. They're born from human emotions. Like let's say someone has like this like hatred. Like someone's getting, I don't know, it's like a dumb example, but someone's getting bullied in school and then like, oh, I really hate this bully. And then like a curse has come from it. Interesting. Sounds like I definitely got to watch that because that seems to be like an allegory of the human experience. Exactly. You should watch it. It'd be great. I was talking to someone recently.

those are a kind of random conversation who is telling me that they like really believe and this is a quite a knowledgeable person who I respect a lot but I was stunned when they said that they actually like believe that there are things like evil spirits out there that will latch on to like negative human emotion. Yeah. And it's kind of it's kind of interesting because like I I feel like I'm a person that doesn't believe in kind of like negative spirits or spirits in general or ghost or whatever but like I you'll never catch me like playing with like a like a wiji board or something like that. It's like I'll never like I'm just I'm just fine not knowing if that makes sense like I'm like okay that's fine like I don't need to I don't need to go and like piss off some evil spirit if there's one I see so it's kind of like you don't believe in it but also like you don't mess around with it. Yeah I'm not trying to find out you know what I mean I've seen too many too many paranormal activity too many spooky scary like uh like movies or shows that it just never works out if they are they are there and they're pissed off it never works out for the person that's messing around with them so might as well just play safe, right?

Exactly. Even though your logical mind is like, yeah, it's not a real thing. Yeah. I mean, maybe if there was some like benefit, like if like, for example, like, if I was doing like a YouTube video where I go go something, I'm like, okay, well, there's like some like, there's some benefit behind this. Yeah, maybe I'll do it. But like I'm not going to, I'm not going to do it just for funsies.

Yeah. Makes a lot of sense, man. What about video games? So what are you, what are you playing nowadays? So you stream Minecraft mostly still? Or honestly, I don't even really stream Minecraft mostly. Yeah, I kind of, it's like two separate things, like YouTube, I just only upload Minecraft. Okay.

But then I stream kind of whatever. Honestly, it's been kind of hard finding games that are really enjoyable because I feel like I just stream a lot. So I just run through like all the games. Like I've played a ton of valor, a ton of like league in my life. But recently I've been kind of just playing like random games. And that's like been the most fun. Like what? Like I've been playing the forest recently.

Oh yeah. I've heard of that. What, that it's like a survival game? Yeah, it's like you just like crash, like for some reason you get abandoned on this island and there's cannibals on the island and you just got to survive. And there's also like an underlying story that you can complete while playing the game. It's pretty fun. Essentially like it boils down to like eventually get to a point where you're just like running around like trying to complete the story and just like fighting cannibals essentially. Interesting.

And so on YouTube you make mostly an upload Minecraft. So it seems like those are separate in your life. Yeah, I mean, I view them, I view them as, like, two different, like, entities almost. Like, YouTube is, like, YouTube is, like, more professional, kind of thought-out YouTube videos, like, plan, structured, well-edited, etc., etc. Where, as when I go live, I kind of just go live, and I don't even, I used to have a plan. I don't do that as much anymore. I used to stream. I used to have a plan.

That was kind of, we used to have, like, a group of friends, and we'd have a plan, and we, like, streamed together. But now I just kind of go live, like, randomly. I was, all, I'm going live. and I don't really have a plan. I just figured out as I go. Makes sense. So it sounds like cognitively, it's very different. Like, one is sort of like a crafted thing and another one is like more spontaneous. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I just go live and I was kind of like, what do we want to play today, guys?

I just like talk to my chat. I'm like, what do you, what do we want to play? What do we want to talk about? And then we just do it. And in terms of Minecraft, how do you decide what to make? The way I decide, like, what to make content-wise is like I just have my two friends that I live with Dream and George and we just kind of make content plans. Like we'll just, we'll talk about like, like we'll make content strategy and we'll talk like ideas and we'll form my ideas with each other. And then once we have like, we'll usually kind of have like a, I'm doing this video, you're doing that video and you're doing that video. And we just kind of help each other do those

videos. Interesting. So it seems very like collaborative. Yeah, it's very collaborative, very collaborative, like team, team effort. Do you have a sense of which videos are like bangers when you, even from inception or is it kind of like RNG? No, there's definitely some that are bangers from inception. Like, you'll know. Like, there's certain videos like, like, I think my colorblind video that I uploaded, I knew that was going to do good. I just knew that one was going to do good.

I also did, like, a food video where I tried all the Minecraft food in real life. I also knew that was going to be good. There is some that you just know if they're produced well, that they will turn out good because they're just a good idea that really fit your channel that really fits a niche that's really going to do. Like, you can just look at, like, the state of YouTube. It feels like it's going to do very well. But obviously, you can't be wrong.

That's happened as well where I thought something was going to be a banger. And it wasn't. And I also had videos where I didn't think it was going to be a binger. And then it was a binger. Like, I think my most obviously to do that is like I did Minecraft, but every mob's a pig. And I remember like originally, I didn't even want to do it. I was like stupid. I was like, this is a dumb video.

And then like my friends were like, no, no, trust me. Like, it's going to do good. It's going to do good. And then it did really well. But I didn't think it was going to. Do you have a sense of when you say you just know where that knowing comes from? Um How do you just know?

I mean, I don't know how to explain it I feel like it's just like I think YouTube's a skill And like when you're around like A bunch of really good YouTubers It's just like kind of like a skill that rubs off on you Like I mean I've been around like Mr. Beast and Dream And like a bunch of huge YouTubers

And like you just ask them like I try and ask questions Like why is this? Why do you do this? Why do that? And then you know if you just ask questions Like I think and you're just around people that are like successful and are doing good and are are like smart about what they do that it'll kind of just like rub off on you. I'm not very good at

articulating why I know something will do good but I feel like I'm good at being like yeah I think this will do good or I don't think this will do good very few people are good at articulating why they're good at what they do yeah I don't know. In the itself is I think a skill I mean there's certain things that you can't articulate

like you think oh I think the title is good for example I think I beat I eat I ate all the Minecraft food in real life I think is a good title and I think you can put a really good thumbnail on there. And I guess I think the actual video, if edited well, is interesting. So I guess that's why I thought that video would do good. So it's like interesting and requires a good kind of title, requires a good thumbnail. And it fits my channel very well. Anything in particular you want to talk about today? No. I mean, I'm kind of down to talk about whatever. And we can talk about myself. We can talk. I don't know,

whatever. Cool. I mean, I can ask you a couple more questions for sure. Like I'd love to learn a little bit about kind of who you are where you grew up, how you got into what you're doing today. Okay. Yeah, I'm down for that. I was just born in Texas, Houston, Texas. I don't know. I was like some normal kid. I really liked video games and stuff.

So I just started playing video games at a really young age. And that's actually where I met, like, my friends that I do YouTube with now, just online on like a Minecraft server. I just met them. We just became friends. We're all playing games together. And then as a typical dude that plays video games, I decided to go. go into computer science

for a college. I was going to become a software developer and then like YouTube was like we're kind of doing YouTube on the side and I wasn't really doing as much as the other two because I had a job and school at the same time and then I got like I mean for me I think it was like like lucky

that actually that the pandemic happened and I was four I had to like you know I lost my job which at the time I was like fuck I was like I just lost my job like like it wasn't like I wasn't like lost my I lost my job, but it was like, oh, hey, we can't give you as much hours. Like, you come in, like, once a week or something like that. And then school became online.

So then I just had, like, infinite time to just hang out with my friends and make YouTube videos. And we started doing that. And then it just really popped off. And then it got to a certain point where I thought, okay, it's worth, it's worth taking a break on school, which I had to really convince my parents that that was fun. What did that conversation look like? I mean, at first it was, you should, you should just do both.

You should do both. And eventually, it just gets to a point where I was like, look, I mean, I can very easily financially support myself. So why not? Like, you know, you just kind of explain to him that this could be very like, like, it's just like, I'll think of, well, if I don't do this now, I probably won't get another opportunity to do this ever again. So it's just where I was already ahead in school because like my parents were super like, especially like my dad was super like you have to, you have to get a grade to do this. You know, kind of like typical strict parent, whatever. So I was already like kind of ahead. like a year or something ahead in college. I just like used logic.

I was like, well, I'm already a year ahead. So worst case scenario, I'm only gonna be like where you're supposed to be at this point in time. Yeah, wow. That's kind of how I did that, along with proving that it was financially, I could support myself.

So it sounds like you really had a good argument to convince your parents. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it wasn't like too hard because like it, like we were like successful, you know, like I didn't try and stuff. I stopped going to college before I was successful because I thought that, because to me, I didn't see the point.

And I was like, well, if I'm not like, good enough where I can live on my own and this and that, then it might not, it could potentially not be worth it to drop out of school. So I weighed into a point that I was like, okay, it obviously clearly makes sense. And then if it just obviously clear, it really makes sense in my mind, then I just, it's easier to explain to my parents. Well, I mean, it sounds like you were not like, oh, I'm, I'm a chase my passions and I'm going to make something to myself. It sounds like you were very.

like I'm getting the sense that your parents could tell that you were super thoughtful about it. Right. So like you had almost like convinced yourself that this was the right move at this point. And you waited to do that. I guess that is what happened. I waited to a point where I convinced myself that it was the right point. And then at that point in time, it wasn't too hard to convince my parents because I'd already gone through the steps of convincing myself. So I just use those same steps to convince them. It seems like you were quite mature with how you did. it. I yeah, but I think that's just because like my parents like, like I said, like my dad's like,

my dad's like, uh, from Greece and stuff. So like when he came here, he's super like super Greek dad. Like you have to like, so like they really instilled like these like things. I mean, that's like I have to be able to take care of myself. I have to do this. I have to, you know, like typical, I feel like it's pretty typical for people that have parents that aren't from the US that they're super, you know, like they want you to be able to take care of yourself. So because of that, I just knew I was like, well, I don't know, I just kind of thought it like trying to think through. Can you say a little bit more about that? You said typical Greek dad. I don't, I don't know what. Okay. I just think, I mean, I don't even know if it's typical Greek dad. I think it's typical

immigrant father. That's where immigrant parents in general. I just heard it a lot that people with immigrant parents just like they are super like kind of, they really want you to be able to take care of yourself. And then that's just what I've heard. And I've seen it with my dad. So I just feel like that's like a typical trope. Is that the word? I don't know. It's a typical thing that happens when you have parents that are immigrants. Yeah, so my parents are also immigrants. And when I was nine years old, my dad was like, one of you is going to, I have a brother. So he's like, one of you is going to be a doctor and one of you is going to be a lawyer.

I was like, all right. Yeah, you're like, all right, well, I guess I'll do it. Yeah. But my dad wasn't like, like, he didn't, I don't know if he cared what I was. I mean, he wanted, obviously he wanted like some job that was like somewhat prestigious. Like he didn't want me to, I don't know. obviously he did like the typical thing like whenever I would work out like at my job like I remember he made me get a job right when I turned like 16 or whatever well partially because I wanted a car and he's

like well if you want a car go get a job like it's kind of like that um and then when I had the job not to complain to him I like this sucks like I remember I worked like as a buster at some restaurant I was like this sucks I have to work 12 hours a day and I make like whatever I was making I think I was making like four dollars an hour because I got tips as well I like this sucks like I don't like this yeah you don't like it well you better go to school like you don't have to do this That was kind of like his argument. He's like, yeah, see? He's like, I made you get a job.

So you'd realize how much you don't like working this job so that you can, you know, motivate yourself to go to school and get a better job. Makes a lot of sense. I had a patient once who his dad told him that there are two ways to make money in this world. You can use your body or you can use your mind. And his dad was like, I've used my body and trust me, you don't want to do that. Yeah. I mean, like, physical labor, it sucks.

Like, I mean, I, I mean, I've worked a few jobs, you know, whenever I was younger. Like, I mean, nothing super labor intensive, just like a busser. I mean, stuff where you're just standing on your feet all day. And I can, I can, I can attest, like, it's not, it's not fun. Like, it's not fun. But I think, funny enough, I don't even know if necessarily, I think, I don't even know if college is like the, the exact path that everyone has to do anymore. I mean, I think it is for, like, certain career paths.

Like, if you want to become, like, a doctor or a lawyer. Or something, obviously, you have to go to college. But, like, if you want to do something else, I think there's a lot of jobs that don't require you to go to college, funny enough. I mean, I know a lot of people who understand a lot about medicine from reading Facebook posts. Yeah. They're like, oh, yeah, like, I did my own research. And I just spent some time on Facebook. And now I, you know.

So, like, they have to, like, for those jobs, like, even if, like, well, actually, I don't know. For a lawyer, do you just have to pass the bar? Like, you don't have to have a degree. If you pass the bar, you can act as a lawyer. It's state-specific. I think. So I think you can go, like I think the state of California, for example, I think you can practice. I mean, don't quote me.

I'm not a lawyer, but I think you can go to a non-accredited school to get a law degree and then pass the bar. And then you can just practice. But I think in other parts maybe to pass the bar, you have to have a degree. But maybe not. I don't know. Because you can also represent yourself without a degree. So who knows? Because it's kind of interesting because like obviously,

like, I think to be a doctor in practice medicine, you obviously have to like a certain degree because we don't want, you know, we don't want people just like going around running around as doctors and killing people. Yeah, but I think there's like, I think there is like a lot of jobs that you don't need a degree and that you can become super successful and without a degree. Like what? I think, I don't know. I don't know exactly. I just, I just feel like there is. Like, I mean, I'm successful in my job and I don't have a degree. And I think there's a lot of skill in it. And I think there's, I think people could learn how to make like good content and upload it to YouTube and I think it's a very learnable skill. I mean, I think there is luck involved

in it as well, obviously, but I think there's luck involved with everything, anything. I think, for example, like, YouTube is a job that, like, you don't need a degree for, but you can learn it. And I think there's like, there's similar jobs like that, I'd imagine. I mean, I couldn't tell you off the top of my head, but. Yeah. No, I mean, I think it makes a lot of sense. And like you said, I think, you know, you kind of mentioned that you've been quite successful. I don't think it's, I think people in the content creation space, there isn't formal education for the, most part, right? So it's, it's stuff that people have to learn. And it's very clear that there are people who are better at it than others. Yeah, 100%. And so I think we're also seeing,

I was just kind of curious if you had particular ideas, but I think one thing that I'm seeing a lot of is like degree inflation. So it used to be that like in order to get a job as a teacher, you actually didn't need any degree, then you needed a bachelor's degree. Now a lot of people want master's degrees. So, like, you have to go to school for longer to get, like, the same job. My favorite is you need three to five years of experience for an entry-level position somewhere now. Yeah, I've seen that. Right. And I think that we're also seeing, I think, for example, a lot of, like, major companies like Google, I think, at this point, no longer requires a college degree, even to be a developer. So you have these, like, boot camp-oriented things.

developers actually a great example i actually i actually used that an argument with someone that i was talking about like uh for why you don't need to like why you don't always have to go to college and why it's not exactly like a like the the set path that it was anymore because i i i have heard of developers obviously i never actually became a full-on software engineer because i dropped out but i have friends that are full-on developers and and and they have applied to jobs and they've lost job applications to someone that didn't have a degree that just like sat in their basement coding and learning and just got really good at coding just from practicing it and they're just like god tiered developers now and like they didn't even go to school so that's actually like one of the

that's an example of like a pretty prestigious job that you couldn't just teach yourself and I think especially now with like like like AI and stuff like it's so much easier to teach yourself as well like you can literally just like you can funny enough you can actually code with just like like like a lot of like software like programs like like um I was I was opening one and And I was just, like, just, like, messing around just for fun. And my friend was showing me. And you can just literally, it will, you can just tell it what to code. It'll code it for you.

And obviously, if you have some baseline level of, like, like, coding, you can, like, fix its issue. Like, it's, like, errors and stuff like that. So it's really cool. It's, like, I think it's really cool. And I think that's, like, an example of, like, how, like, there's, like, a lot more resources that can help you learn things that you would have learned could have previously only learned in college. Interesting. Yeah, that is cool.

And it sounded like you were arguing with someone who believed the opposite or what? Yeah, they believed that you should go that, like, they believe that like going to like a, why, my, okay, it was a, it was kind of a niche argument. Like, I was arguing that going to like a mid-tier college to me seemed kind of pointless, like going to like an average college. Like, an average big university seemed kind of pointless because I thought it was super expensive and your degree is equal to the degree of a less expensive college. versus I thought if you go to Harvard, obviously, it's different because you have a Harvard degree and that gets you connections, et cetera, et cetera, your prestigious, whatever, that will push you farther in life. I thought going to, like, a mid-tier college, I think, like, was pointless, unless you just want, like, the quote-unquote, college or whatever, because you're just paying more for the same degree, then no one's going to care if your degrees from

mid-tier college versus lower-tier college. Like, they just don't care, in my opinion. Yeah. So that was my argument. But they were saying, oh, there's, like, all these good resources and this and that and the other. didn't know if that was necessarily true i thought it was true to some degree but i didn't think it was worth like the dollar amount yeah i think it's i think it's getting crazy with just how expensive college is so the value of things is very very very very confusing now yeah um that's why my parents

made me go to community college yeah yeah for good value right yeah it was a good value it was like you pay like a thousand dollars a semester instead like 10 000's great yeah i went to um like a university for undergrad and it was very like very cheap I think it was it was more expensive than a thousand dollars but I think my tuition was like between three and five grand a semester yeah the tuition was like less expensive than just buying the books to be honest I'm from what I remember different scam bro yeah the books yeah the books is ridiculous and so how did you get into YouTube um I kind of asked you this already so yeah you were making videos but then like What changed?

Well, what changed was my friend, my friend, my friend, dream honestly. Like, he just came to me one day. I remember it was really random. Like, I was like the summer before I started college, actually, I was just talking to him. And he just goes, like, it's actually kind of ridiculous. He goes, randomly, he goes, I'm going to become a YouTuber. And I was like, what is this guy talking about?

He's going to become a YouTuber. Obviously, at that time, I didn't know anything about YouTube. I just thought it's like, you get kind of lucky and you upload videos and people just like randomly like it. And you're like, no, I'm going to become a YouTuber. I was like, why? And then he explained to me that he'd been like studying the algorithm for months. And he's been putting in research.

And he saved aside some money. And he was just going to give a crack on it. Like swing, like take a crack on it. And he just truly believed that he was going to become a YouTuber. And I was like, okay, well, if you become a YouTuber, I'll become a YouTuber with you. Let's do it. And then he just started doing it. And then like I said before, like he started doing it.

And it was like kind of me, him and me, him and George. We all started kind of doing it. And obviously I was doing it less at the time because I had like, college and school but then because of the pandemic i was able to focus on it more but that's kind of how i started doing it's my friend dream started doing it i was like all right well i'll do it with you it sounds fun like why not what's the downside sounds fun obviously like when you're younger you like everyone like i feel like as like a as like a guy it's like either would become a famous basketball player or like some famous sport player and then you realize for most guys i don't have i'm not i'm not tall enough so i can't

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Like, yeah, I mean, obviously, like, I think, for me, like, I feel like I'm a logical person. So, like, I obviously want to become, like, a basketball player, right? And then I, like, really liked basketball. I played a lot of basketball. I played on teams, this and on the other. But at some point, I was like, I think it was in high school. I was like, I'm, like, going to end up being 5'8. I just can't become a basketball player.

It was like, I mean, like, I guess I could. But like it just seems really unlikely given that everyone else is like seven foot and there's going to block every shot that I ever shoot. What do you mean I'm a logical person? What does that mean? I think I'm a logical person because I just think things out and I just like to take the path of least resistance a lot of the time. Okay. Like I'll be like, for example, like basketball. I guess I could have just trained and trained and trained and tried to become the first ever 5-8 basketball player.

but I was like it seems kind of unlikely I guess I'll just like pivot like because I just I mean like I understood that like genetics play like a giant part and becoming a professional athlete because even like coaches

like I remember like coaches back then would be like it's I remember one coach was actually really honest and I actually appreciate that he's like it's like 30% he's like it's 30% 30% to 40% effort but I mean honestly you guys it's 60% genetics like if you're like six foot four

and you're just like you can run fast and jump high you have a much higher chance of becoming basketball player. Wow. And so you said that you're a logical person. What's what's the alternative? I guess like emotional. Be like I'm not going to give up. I'm not going to give up. I'm going to train every day for the next eight years and try and become professional basketball player. I guess I assume it means like emotional. Okay. Which I can be emotional actually. Sometimes I can be like super emotional. I'm either logical or I'm super emotional. I feel like that I get to a point where I just like it just like flipped a switch.

How does that work? I don't know. I don't know. I just like flips a switch. I guess there's certain things that make me emotional, but there's certain things that don't. I also feel like sometimes I can just like turn off, turn it off. Like, okay.

Like emotions. I'm like, okay, I need to like focus up. Like I need to like I need to just like not, I need to not be emotional and just look at this like very like objectively. And to figure out like what the best solution is because sometimes like there's like situations where it's beneficial to. to be like that. Okay.

I don't know what situations those are, but... It's beneficial to be able to suppress your emotions? Yeah, I think so, because I think sometimes... Yeah, I think so. I think, like, if there's, like, you're, like, mad at someone. Like, I do... It's just, like, a dumb scenario, but I try and do it a lot of times when I'm mad at my friend. And I'm like, I'm like, all right, I need to stop being mad.

This is, like, a very basic example, but I'll like, all right, just stop being mad. Let me think of it. Let me think through it from his perspective, and why is he upset with me? mad at each other. It's like a really dumb example. That's like an example where I'd still be like at a certain point I'd be like, okay, I just need to stop like being angry and like think about this. Why is that a dumb example? Because just like two friends arguing. There's no like, it's like two good friends arguing. There's nothing on the line. There's no like I can be mad at him for like whatever. It's not

going to matter. We're just going to continue being friends, I guess. No, I, I disagree completely. Why is that? So you say that you're good friends Yeah, like we've been friends for like a long, long, long time And therefore if you all get mad at each other, it doesn't matter, right? You'll always be friends Well, I think it depends on what we're mad at each other about We're mad at each other about something like a lot of times like we're gonna

I'm saying that in a in my example that was giving you or we're mad at each other We're mad at each other over something not important not something important I'm mad at my friend because he took my ice cream or something when he usually doesn't but he had like some reason to but i was like i don't care you took my ice cream you can't do that yeah so sap nap i i would actually say that the reason that you i would say it goes the other way so the reason that y'all are good friends and that you will always be good friends is because of the way that you manage minor conflicts but actually didn't always used to be like that's actually kind of recent that like i'd say in the past past i don't know i think

it was us living together. Well, it's mainly for me and my friend George that like we've actually, I think our relationship has become a lot more healthy. Like, we'll talk about things. Like, we'll talk about why we're mad at each other and why, what he did upset me

and why what he did, what I did upset him, which I don't really do with anyone else kind of interestingly enough. Because at first, like, we'd always like kind of like prankies, that prank show, like, meme. We called meme each other. Like, for example, I don't know,

like, let's say like I saw, a stain on his shirt, I wouldn't tell him previously. Even though we were friends and good friends, I wouldn't tell him in the hopes that like someone would point it out and he'd be embarrassed. Yeah. And I remember. And then like one day he was like, he's like, look, we need to be friends. He's like, we're friends, but we're not friends.

He's like, we need to like try and help each other and like not like just like own each other constantly. And he's like, and then he's like, for example, you have chocolate on your shirt right now. He was like previously, I would have left that there and hoped it melted. And then you would have gotten a stain on. your shirt. But then we started not doing that to each other. And then it just continued progressing into, I think, more healthy stuff where it's like we'd explain why we're mad at each other and something. That's some pretty fucking cool innovation. Let me tell you what. Yeah. It was really,

really stupid. It's kind of funny. No, I mean, I think it's sad that you kind of like, I mean, I, I, I really don't think that's stupid. I think it's like, this is, you know, there's like a loneliness epidemic going on. Like, it's hard for people to make friends. And I think what's happening is we have this we have this like social skills atrophy and then we also don't like try to improve right there's also this like sentiment nowadays of it's kind of like if you can't handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best yeah and and so there's like the sentiment of like and then there's also this weird shit that goes on like so this is like you know suppressed emotions coming out it's like this person is my friend but I'm going to be fucking passive aggressive and and then it's actually I mean

it's hard to sit down and say, hey, we got to stop doing this to each other. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, luckily, we haven't had like any like anything. I mean, most of our arguments are kind of like non, like in my opinion, like non importance. Like it's not like a really a big deal. But I think it's good that we at least like talk about it because I hope that if eventually there ever is a big deal that we will be able to.

Sounds like you guys are laying a foundation of communication. Talk it through. I hope so. That'd be nice. Good, dude. I think it's actually like, oh, we see this a lot. so in like male male platonic relationships where like dudes don't know how to like talk to each other anymore it's like bro we got us like i know we're friends but we got to start being friends

it's like what does that mean like like we both know exactly what it means i think a lot of like like at least all of my i mean a lot of my male male platonic relationships is honestly it's just everyone's just kind of like mean to each other but it's like funny so it's like it's like interesting i find that like really really common like it's just like a bunch of dudes and we're all just like we're all making fun of each other but like there's there's there's there's There's a scientific. That's not necessarily bad. I kind of like it.

Like, it's like funny. Yeah, it's kind of sad. So, you know, there's a scientific term for that. What is that?

It's called the negative expression of a positive affection. It's something. Negative. What does that mean? Exactly. Negative expression, right? Of a positive affection.

So you're being mean because you like each other. Yes. So it's like, it's like when someone gets engaged, right? We're very happy for the person, but we're like, oh, bra. You're so whipped bra.

Oh my God, bra. Yeah. Right. And then you kind of clap him on the back. Like we, we express positive affection through a negative expression. So we basically, you know,

make fun of each other. I guess, I think, I think that's fine. I think as long as it's not like the only time, like you only do that. I think it's, it's fine.

Because I kind of, I kind of like that. Like, I don't know. Like, it's like, it's like funny. I just like,

I mean, I like to laugh and stuff. Like, that's like, like, like, you're not actually being like too too mean about it. Which even sometimes it is fun.

Like, As long as everyone's okay with it, it is fun to actually be mean. Like, you know, because it's just funny. Like, I like friendships where it's like everyone can kind of like be like a like a jerk to each other. As long as it's like in like good taste. You know what I mean? Like you're doing it to be funny. You're not doing it to actually just like piss someone off.

Yeah. So I think I think we're actually pretty good at recognizing the lack of malice. Right. So there isn't an intention to hurt when you're mean to someone. Yeah. There's an intention. to actually bond and even have fun. And as long as I think there's also reciprocity is important.

So as long as it's like, things I think get into the bullying realm when like one person is always being made fun of. And like, but as long as there's tit for tat and we're kind of, you know, you said you guys are meming each other. And I think each other is a big part of it. Well, I've also seen groups where like, it's kind of interesting like where there is kind of someone on the bottom of the totem pole and they kind of get to make. made fun of the most, but like, sometimes that person, I feel like they, like, almost, like, like, like, like, like, it sounds, maybe I'm psychoanalyzing them, but it gives them attention. Because, like, sometimes, like, sometimes, like, if that was me, like, I would be, like, guys, like, make fun of someone else sometimes.

I would say something, but, like, they don't care, which, I mean, obviously, there's, like, multiple scenarios, but, like, I feel like there is scenarios where, like, they kind of, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, they kind of, like, like, can you say a little bit more about that? I can't say, I don't, I mean, I don't want to get into specific, but I've seen, like, someone gets made of fun of the most, but like I feel like they don't mind it. Like they almost like they don't mind being made fun of the most. How do you understand why they don't mind it?

Because it sounds like you would mind it, right? I would mind it. That's because maybe maybe there's more secure with themselves or maybe they like the attention. I don't know. I don't know. I would assume it's because they get more attention because. Yes. So I think it's possible for sure.

So I do think that it's interesting the way you're describing it. I would use slightly different words, which I don't blame you for, because I think it's, you know, I think you'll, so I would say that people who are frequently the butt of jokes, very frequently do engage in certain kinds of behaviors to keep themselves in that position. So I think that's maybe what you're leaning into. Yeah, yeah, that's that, yeah. Right. Because, because like, I don't know. So they, they, for a prime example, So you would say, hey, guys, like make fun of someone else.

You would say something or do something to stop the behavior if you were unhappy with it. And other people will sometimes even do things like make fun of themselves or like other kinds of things. The interesting thing is I don't think they like it. So in my kind of more clinical experience, I think what's going on is oftentimes they are afraid of what happens if they try to stop it. I see. So if you're insecure and you're in a friend group, trying to challenge people who are making fun of you can sometimes come at a high cost. And oftentimes these people engage in this kind of stuff, even if your friends aren't going to bully you further.

Like if you said, like, hey, lay off. Like most people will be pretty nice to you. But oftentimes this comes from like places where they tried that and it didn't work. Or they're afraid that if they try to set limits, like people won't invite them to things anymore and people will ostracize them and stuff like that. So they kind of feel like they can't rock. the boat and so they kind of tolerate a lot of bad behavior yeah that makes sense as well i could totally see someone operating like that and who knows maybe sometimes they just do it for the attention i surely there's got to be at least one person that just likes it yeah like they's like they they don't

care and they you know obviously if you're constantly you're being made fun of and you don't care you are getting more attention so they've got to be at least one person so out of the stuff that we've talked about i know we're kind of bouncing all over the place that nap anything in particular seem interesting to you or anything you want to talk about a little bit more? Oh gosh. You have any options? What do people typically? I don't know.

Sometimes if people like want to understand something about themselves or if they want to, like, if there's like something that they are curious about, like people will sometimes ask about things like meditation, sometimes we'll talk about consciousness and what happens after death. Like sometimes we'll, and I think platonic relationships and even dynamics like of friend groups and I think there's a lot of interesting stuff about, so I think it's interesting because it sounds like you and your friends, y'all are all relatively successful YouTubers, right?

Or the three of all. Yeah. But it sounds like you guys had a friendship before you became successful. Yes. I think that's very important. So that's also very interesting because I've worked with groups of people like that before. So a well documented case, I think is if you look at like PayPal, So a lot of the original people who started PayPal went on to do other successful companies.

And so there's this interesting phenomenon in the business world of basically like groups of people who all become very successful. And if you look at like the random chance of it, the likelihood that three separate people who all decided to become YouTubers all achieve the level of success that you do is exceedingly low. So there is actually a causative effect. There is something going on in y'all's interactions that result in all three of you becoming successful. And people have done everything up to including things like case studies and stuff like that to try to figure out like what's the secret sauce with this group of OG YouTubers or what people haven't done that for OG YouTubers. But they've done it definitely in the business world. I mean, as someone that is in one of those groups, I think honestly, I think it's just like, It's just a different level of trust that you have with people that you kind of did it with from the beginning that you're friends with before success that you will just never be able to have with anyone else, unfortunately.

Like, you just won't. Like, it's impossible to, at least in my opinion, I feel like it's impossible at the same level of trust that you have with someone that has been there with you since the very beginning versus someone that you met while you were successful. What makes it impossible? I guess it's impossible to ever really know for sure whether or not someone is like your friend because at least in my opinion whether because whether they're your friend because it's beneficial once you're successful versus not like how do you know how do you know for sure unless you could ask them but it doesn't mean anything they could just lie like I guess like I just know that these guys are my friends because they want to be my friends and that even if we stop being successful and

we had nothing that we'd be friends yeah So there's just a different level of trust that with them that I have that I don't think is possible to have with anyone else. So when you make a friend now, what goes through your head about your relationship with this person? Honestly, I mean, I don't think it's too much different now. It's just like I think I just, when I make a friend now, I just want to be, I would like for that same level of trust to be there. But I just feel like it's hard for it to actually like. I just think it's impossible for it to get there. The same level trust.

I just don't see how it's possible. Because that question will always be in the back of my mind. Which I don't know if that's a me thing, but I feel like it's, I feel like it's just a logic thing. I don't know if it's just like me, whatever, but I feel like it's just like logical. It's like, oh, how do you know, like, for sure? Can you walk me through the logic? The logic is, how do I know for sure this person? I mean, obviously, I think, I think it's interesting because I think it is a bit of both.

Like, I think, I don't think someone, I don't think someone, I don't think someone is just going to be my friend because it's, it's, like, I don't think I'm going to become friends of someone that just wants to be my friends because it's beneficial. But I think it's like, it's like, it's like, I think it's, I think a lot of the times it's subconscious, it's just like, oh, it's beneficial to be beneficial. And that's in the back of their mind. Like, they're not actively thinking that. So then they become your friend. And then when it's not beneficial, it's more easy for them to just not be a friend anymore. Whereas I won't ever have that with these guys, because. That's not in their mind.

In the back of their minds, subconsciously. Yeah. So I think it's challenging. So what I'm kind of hearing you say is that, and I agree, by the way, and this is not unusual. So first thing is that we've worked with about 500 content creators at HG now. And this is a huge problem for basically all of y'all or us, if I include myself. Yeah. So I'm in some ways a little bit lucky because I have a.

I had a life before becoming a content creator. So I had a lot of friendships. And I think that's kind of what you're alluding to as well. Right. So like the friendships that you form before you're a content creator feel very different from what you form after a content creator. Yeah. And part of that is because like, so I use the term business of friendship.

Yeah. So a lot of content creators are literally in the business of friendship. And it creates all kinds of problems, especially when like people, you know, you get like all these like hate videos. get made or people have drama or this kind of stuff and then like it really blurs the line between you know if someone says hey i'm your friend then someone just accused you of doing something a little bit shady right then like do they get guilt by association and then their brand gets damaged and like all this kind of like weird shit starts entering the picture yeah i mean it's interesting because

in those scenarios like i guess i don't i don't necessarily like blame anyone for for that because it's like yeah you got to protect yourself like i get it yeah um i guess like for me i don't know i don't know i I guess like yeah, I mean like I don't necessarily blame anyone for that. Like I wouldn't even be mad at anyone. It's like yeah, I mean like I get it. Like that's like sometimes like you gotta, you gotta, you gotta take care of yourself and like, I don't blame you. But like that's why, but that's why I mean I didn't always used to think like that like that. Like when I first started doing Connecration like I was kind of a little bit everyone's my friend.

Like why would you know what I mean? Like I didn't think about it. And then like you know, you learn you learn and what do you learn? Well, you just learned that like you learned that like in the back like like for example in the back of mind like the like the like. I think there's like a subconscious like oh it's like like it's like I think there's a subconscious like there's reasons why someone would be your friend that aren't like what you'd want in a friendship and it's subconscious I think a lot most of the time in subconscious I think it's an active thing like oh I'm going to be this person and I'm sure I do it too which like I would admit

I do it too I'd imagine too like where it's like you're more likely to become someone's friend because subconsciously it benefits you to become their friend and stuff like that whereas in the real world that doesn't happen as much I mean I'm sure I'm sure it still does obviously with work and jobs and such. So that and as long as like it, that with also blurring the lines with like, oh, like your, you know, your friend is accused of something shady or this and that the other or I don't know what it is that like your friendship gets blurred because there's business

involved and they have to protect themselves, which I don't blame anyone for. And I also don't blame anyone for subconsciously becoming, you know, having that subconscious thing because I'm sure I do it too. I'm sure everyone, I mean, literally everyone does it. So. Yeah. So I mean, that sounds very logical. But all of that for me to say is that I value my friendships I have with the two guys that I do with before. I value my friendship with them exceedingly high because we were friends before YouTube.

And I don't have to worry about either of those two things. Yeah. I mean, I think that's huge, dude. Like I think, you know, we also see that in relationships where sometimes I'll all work with people who become successful. And then like the romantic relationships get very, very confusing. Mm-hmm. So in that way, I'm pretty lucky. Like, I, I, the, the person I'm married to now, we started dating, like, when I was a nobody.

Mm-hmm. And so our, our relationship in that way feels, like, pretty strong because, you know, she could easily upgraded at, like, any point. Yeah. And, and so. That's impossible. Huh? I said, not it's impossible. Now it's.

Missed your chance. If you wanted an upgrade. You know. So, so, you know, it's interesting because I see that a lot, especially when, when I work with people who are like founders and entrepreneurs is like at some point dating becomes a little bit challenging because you're not quite sure like who this person is dating. Are they dating the real you? Are they dating the external version of you, the successful version of you? Yeah, founder, CEO. Right.

You know. Yeah. I think it applies just any kind of relationship. whether it be platonic, romantic, uh, whatever. I guess it doesn't apply to business relationships because you're both, like a strictly business relationship because you're both under, you know, it's just business. Like, no, I mean, there are, there are co-founders who fuck all the time. Yeah.

Okay. Well. I guess if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're fucking your co-founder, then the line gets a little bit blurred. Yeah. I mean, that, that, that happens all the time. Yeah. Yeah.

I'd imagine. Makes sense. Yeah. And, and, and so, yeah. Uh, so I, I'm kind of curious. So that I was just offering like a. couple of things. So it sounds like we're kind of like moving in the direction of like relationships and understandings like these things. Anything, does that sound okay for us to like talk about for a little

bit more? You want to talk about? Yeah, I'm cool with it. I'll let you know if I'm in. Okay. Um, so, so, you know, I was mentioning earlier that like there are, you know, these cases of people who start things together and all become successful. Do you have a sense of what that secret sauce could have been for y'all? I mean, I think it's just like, it sounds really corny. I think it's just, I think the secret soft is that I think it, like, I think there's a, I think it's just our, our friendship is really, like, genuine. You know what I mean?

Like, in our videos, you see us, like, goofing around and, and, and doing, saying stupid jokes, each other, making fun of each other and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's just genuine. Like, like, our OG videos and our videos now, like, that we would record, like, it's genuinely us just trying to beat a Minecraft challenge while having fun. That is literally what it was. That was, we were just, like, the laughs, everything in it was just super authentic. And I think that on top of, like, our analytic minds for YouTube and, and doing things that we think are good videos and testing the algorithm and this and that and the other was like a really good, like, combo.

Okay. So I think that's what made it successful for YouTube specifically. And so it sounds like all three of you have analytical minds and you guys, like, are good at that? Yeah. I mean, I think I think we all, like, rub off on each other. So I think like I think like I was less analytical

Like you know Like before I met them And then they made me more analytical And I'm sure I don't Yeah I'd say that yeah we are all analytical But I think it's because like We're together You know what I mean like it just like

But also it's like I don't want us to make it sound like we're like We're like super analytical robots Because we're not But like we're I think we're we're analytical When it comes to like YouTube stuff And like like like let's like

Like test algorithm Let's try this let's do this This video idea seems good, let's do that and this and that and the other. And we see that a lot more than we do now, but that's what I think was really good. Do you all get into fights? Yeah.

Like arguments? Not arguments. Fights. Fights. Like fist fights? Not fist fights. But just like, like an argument is like, I believe this and you believe this and we kind of argue it out. But like, do you all have like conflict? Well, like what separates and I believe this?

and you believe that what makes it a conflict i guess i don't know i don't know i don't know some degree of like personal it's a brilliant question by the way sapnap because i think some people don't understand the difference but um i think some amount of personal personal association or even dislike right so like you can have people just to give you an example like you can have people who politically disagree what creates a fight is is not like a fist fight, but what creates a fight is like when you have a set of political beliefs, I think you are stupid or I attach a personal devaluation along with the disagreement. I mean, I'm sure we have.

I mean, I'm sure we have, but I mean, I'm sure we've, yeah, when we've argued, I guess we, I'm sure there's times where we have used like a personal thing, like a negative personal thing to further our argument and whatever. So I guess we have fought, but I think, I think you have to, it sounds weird. I think you, to have like a next level of friendship and relationship with people that you have to, in my opinion, you have to go through everything to know that you can go through everything to have that level of like, yeah, we fought before, but like we ended up still being friends and I feel comfortable and I feel comfortable that if we do get in a fight in the future, that it'll be fine, in my opinion. I think you have to go through pretty much You know you have to go through an argument You gotta go through a fight

You gotta go through a big fight You gotta go through this and not in the other To know at least for me To know that like oh yeah Our friendship is secure in that I know if we will fight again Or we do have a huge big fight That it's gonna be fine

Because it had it previously in the past Do you think y'all are unusual in that way Um I guess I don't think most people think like that So maybe maybe I think that is like slightly unusual But I think I think that is the correct

way to think about it. So, I don't know. Um, yeah, like I said, like, we can be. Yeah, I think so. I'd say so. Yeah, that's so interesting. But it's like, I think, I think a lot of times we're not logical in the moment. Like, I'll be like, like, someone who's, I'll be pissed off.

Oh my God. Like, then I'll be saying things. Like, we'll be arguing in like a, like a text message. And then eventually it gets to a point where it gets logical. And it'll be like, well, I didn't like this. Like, at first it'll be like, you're a dumbass. Why did you do this? Oh, blah, blah, blah.

pretty typical and then eventually it gets to a point where it's like, I didn't like this because you did this and you should have done this. And then he'd be like, do you reply and you'll be like, well, I only did this because you did this. And then it gets and then once it gets to that point, it gets resolved. Okay, interesting. So, so, yeah, that's so interesting. So this is kind of like, I guess this is just what we're talking about. And if you want to change topics, let me know something out. But like, what I'm hearing is that there's like three or four really important things, which I think are actually quite rare that you all have together.

The first is that there is authenticity and your content is genuinely enjoyable. This is absolutely necessary for making good content. So you all are having fun. I think the second thing is there seems to be a couple of different collaborations that you all do that are not related to the content that people see. So you all collaborate what sounds like creatively. Right? So you bounce ideas off of each other. So you're you kind of have like a couple of different heads that are all good at making content that are then like trying to decide like what to do.

That we also see with like co-founder groups when you have like three people who have an entrepreneurial head and when they bounce ideas off of each other, the finished product is usually way better. I like to touch on that actually. I think I think I think I think that's spot on. I think like like like I think we all have like different like in the ideology phase of our content like brainstorming and this and the other. We all are very separate, very different. I'd say, like, Dream is very, like, the guy that's coming up with the ideas. I'd say, George is the guy that's, like, shooting down the ideas. No, this one sucks.

I don't like this one. He's kind of, like, sometimes, like, annoying. He's like, come on, please, let's just let's do it. And then he's like, no, I don't want to do it. I don't think it's good enough. And then I'm, like, the guy that's, like, I'm kind of more of, like, the, let's just do it. Let's go.

Let's go. I think this one's good. Like, and I'm, like, pushing us to, like, actually go and do it. So I think that's how like we work. Yeah. So that's really interesting, right? So there's a dynamic of like, so I won't name who, but there's a pair of very successful investors that invest that have a very good track record. And they have a very similar dynamic.

So the first thing is that they don't make an investment unless both of them agree. And secondly, like one of them is like the stuff who brings things in. And the other one is the person who shoots things down. Yeah. And what they find is that if they both can get on board with something, then it is a really good idea. Yeah, makes sense. So it's interesting that you all have an idea generation, like an idea opposing, and then like someone's the break, someone's the fuel, and someone's the map. Yeah.

And it's really interesting how you can just see that, like even how you describe it. So you guys have a creative process. that seems to work well. It sounds like y'all are also good at like your post-mortem. So like your analysis after the fact. What does that look like? Like after post-mortem of what? Like when you guys, let's say y'all are, y'all decide to go ahead with some idea and it turns out to not be that good.

What does that look like? I mean, yeah, it'll be like disappointment. Oh man, that video sucked. But a lot of times it's just like, well, what can you do? You learn from it. Now we know that that is not a good idea. I think there's, you know, it sounds like, it sounds stupid, but there is like positive to gain from it.

It's like, yeah, like, well, now we know that that idea was not as good as we thought it was. So we don't have to spend more time on it versus if it was a good idea. We would do something similar to that idea and try and branch off of it. But now we know that's not a good idea. So we'll move on to the next one. It's like the way we try and look at it. Obviously, there's going to be disappointment. There's going to be, oh, man, that video sucked.

I wish it did better. And I think that's something that, like, We've like you know, it's like we just have to, he's got to keep going. He's got to, it's like, is there, is there blame? No, I don't think so. I mean, I'm sure, I'm trying to think is there blame? Um, no, I don't think so. I don't think anyone, like, they're rarely do I think, I think we view it all as like a collaborative

effort. So it's like, okay, the blame's on all of us equally. If there is blame, like, okay, well, obviously we shouldn't have done that video. We're idiots. We're stupid. Why did, there's a lot of we, why did we do that? There's rarely, I feel like there's like a, why'd you do that? Why, why isn't there, boy?

Do you have any idea? Well, for like a YouTube video was because, like, no one's forced to upload a YouTube video. Like, we all, like, it's like we all agreed on it. Like, you know what I mean? Like, if like, or if you upload it, at least at the bare minimum, you agreed to do it. It's not like, it's not like the other two guys are like, you have to upload this. You need to upload this. Like, I mean, I'm sure there's times where like we're pushing you and we're saying, yeah, you need to upload this.

We really think you should upload this. We should do this. But like, at the end of the day, it is your YouTube channel. And like, obviously, our YouTube channels are just so intertwined that it just, it does feel like a wee thing. Okay. Like on YouTube, YouTube wise, they're just so intertwined. Like, I just, like, it just does feel like a wee thing. Like, it almost feels like Dream and George's channels are mine.

And my channel's theirs, vice versa. Yeah. So I think it's interesting because, you know, I had written something down. some time ago, which is the word ego. So I'm noticing a lack of ego. So I'm not hearing a whole lot about jealousy. Well, I mean, I do get jealousy. I just don't get jealousy with my two friends.

Because I feel, because why it benefits me if they're successful. It's so massively benefits me. Like, my YouTube channel has four million subs, but like in like my, whatever, my, whatever is. But my numbers are so inflated because. because I'm attached to more successful people, but I don't view it that way. It's just like, okay. Like, how do you view it? I view it as their channels are partially mine.

I mean, I guess they're not. But I view like, I view like, I view it like, I view it like the same way. Like their, my channel is partially theirs, even though like legally and whatever it's not. But monetarily it's not. But I think what I'm hearing like so that that's, this is actually quite rare. Right. So if you look at groups of content creators, what usually. tends to happen is there's a lot of ego at play there's a lot of jealousy at play there's a lot of

i put more work into this and i mean sometimes it does happen like sometimes i'll be like i want that idea and then like sometimes there's a good idea and like we'll be fighting for it a little bit um but then sometimes i'll just be like well or or sometimes georgill whatever we'll realize it fits better on someone else's channel and like we'll drop it so whatever like yeah it is like annoying and like i'm not going to be like yes i'm so happy you took the idea that i want to But like at the end of the day, if George's video gets, it's so, it's so analog. If George's video, let's say I really wanted a video, anyone on George's channel instead. Yeah, George is going to get the views and the money.

But guess what? Every time someone watches his video and they walk all the way through, it's going to be my video that's recommended afterwards. So, I mean, like, there is that, there's that level of, well, I am going to benefit from this anyway. So, yeah. So, no, I mean, I think the attitude is important. The concept of, like, we instead of me is, like, huge. So it also sounds like you guys have a very good method of conflict resolution, which is also based on trust and even like some communication skills that you all have advanced. And the reason I bring this stuff up is because like I've worked with people where like I try to go in and I try to teach this.

So it's really fascinating to see. So I see like creative collaboration, authenticity, analysis, trust and conflict resolution. And then an absence of ego and a kind of like us mentality. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think with us, it, we do have ego, but it's us as we have like us as an ego. Like, yeah. For us, us, us three. Yeah, there's an ego there. Yeah. 100%.

But that binds you all together. It binds us together. Yeah. Yeah, that's super cool, man. I think it's fascinating to be here. And I think a lot of people, I think a lot of people can benefit from like understanding. I mean, I would completely agree. Like, this is almost like organizational psychology where like, how do you get a group of people to like function at their best. And it's so interesting because all three are,

are quite successful, right? So there's, there's something going on that y'all are doing. I mean, one option is that there's just a one in a million chance. And we just found the one house where there's like three people that are one in a million. But I think that much more likely thing is that y'all trust each other, that y'all are willing to, I also hear, you know, that you guys kind of went in with each other. Right? So when, when dream was like, hey, I'm going to become a YouTuber. And you're like, okay, I'll do. with you, bro. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was, it was kind of like, okay, let's do it. I mean, I just didn't see the downside. It's like, let's do it. So yeah, I think that,

I think that was like super important that we did it together. Yeah. We did it together. I think that's, I think that's like super, super important. Any questions? Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, I was just rambling, go ahead. Any questions for me? Hmm, I don't know. I don't think so. Nothing off the top of my head. Yeah, that, that's really cool. Like I'm just trying to think a little bit about, you know, what we can learn from you. I think the way that your logical is really interesting. You mentioned one thing, which is like you said that sometimes you're logical until you're not. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know, like I can get so fed up to a point.

Well, it's like it's like it's almost like waves. It's like logical, logical. And oh, I'm pissed off. And I got to be pissed off and I got to cool. I mean, it's pretty like normal. I think you get pissed off. And then you're not logical while you're mad. Obviously like no one.

like very few people, if you're logical while you're mad, then you're just like a genius because like it's so hard and you're like hot and upset. Like it's like it literally just fogs your mind. It's terrible. But boom, I'll be mad and I got to go through the whole like if you try and talk to me before I'm done going through my,

my stages of anger, it's just pointless. It's just pointless. We're not going to resolve. I have to calm down and then we can go again. How long does that? Do you realize when you're mad? Um,

not at the beginning. Not at the beginning. At the beginning, I'm like, no, I'm not. Mad. Like, what do you mean I'm mad? Obviously, I'm not mad. But then towards the end, I'll realize I'm mad and I'm realizing I'm realizing I'm calling down. I actually, I think mine is really fast. I think it's like abnormally fast. I'll be mad and I won't be mad anymore.

It's like, whatever. I'm just so like over it. I just want to get over it. Like I'll be mad. And a lot of times, I'm not, I'm done being mad before other people are done being mad. And I'd like, wait. I'd like sit here. I'll wait from to stop being mad. Mine's really quick. What is really quick? Like literally like

10 minutes. Like 10, 20, 30 minutes. I'm not mad for hours. It'll literally be within an hour, I'll be over it. Usually, like, literally, like, 10 minutes. Like, I'll be mad. Like, let's say, like, we had, like, an incident outside. I'll be mad. By the time, like, we separate, I'm like, I'll leave, like, get away from me.

Like, I get to fuck away for me. I'll separate. I'll go to my room. I'll drink a little bit of water, and I'm done. I'm done. I'm ready to, like, resolve the conflict. And, and you, what's it like to wait for other people to calm down? Um, it's not too bad.

It's not too bad. I was, like, I'll just wait a little bit. and usually by I'll be the one that will like at least like I'll try to like be the one that obviously like there's back and forth like sometimes they'll be the one but I'll try and be the one that because I'm the one that I feel like usually gets over being mad quickest that I'll try and be the one that's like look like let's let's let's mediate let's negotiate let's uh whatever so and I think that usually will bring down their madness that they're seeing me being like oh like let's being reasonable and let's solve this can you teach us

some of the words that you use when you're trying to do that? We're really stupid. I have a bunch of weird words. I'll be like, I'll be like, I'm asking. I'll be like, uh,

what do we say? I'll be like, let's, let's, let's negotiate. Let's, let's, uh, let's be reasonable.

Be reasonable. Uh, I'm trying to think of our word. Do you have a really weird stupid words that we use? Like, there's like, like, if you were to like,

like, like, if you were like, weird. They're super weird. I can't, I can't, I can't think them off the top of

top of my head, but it's a bunch of, like, just niche words. Like, time to be reasonable. Like, like, there's a bunch of reasonable and negotiate, I think. Okay. No, I mean, what makes you think that that's stupid? Because it just sounds funny. I don't know. I don't think it's actually stupid.

I just think it sounds funny. When I say stupid, I don't even, sometimes I don't actually mean, like, stupid. Yeah. I use stupid, like, a lot when I don't actually mean stupid. But it would be, it sounds funny to me. Like, let's, like, let's negotiate. Like, what do you mean? Let's negotiate.

Like, what are we like? Like, like, like, we have, like, we have. a war. Well. Kind of. Right? So I know it sounds kind of like an unusual word, but that's actually like exactly why I'm asking. So I suspect that.

So a couple of things. The first is that, you know, people will say like, okay, what's the foundation of a good marriage? And people will say communication is key. But no one ever teaches you what that means. Like communicate what? Like we're talking to each other all the time, but that's not the same as communication. communication. So, you have something?

No, no. I was just like looking up. I think, I think it's like really interesting because we all understand the importance of communication, but we don't know like how to communicate with friends. Like we don't know what words to use. So I think one of the biggest problems that I see is that there is an assumption that there are words to use. So people will be like, I'm going to have a class. on communication and this is what you should say.

This is what we get taught as therapists. Like there are ways to say things. And there's some merit to that. But I think one of the biggest things that's important for communication is actually developing your own language. Yeah. So I find that like in my own relationships and even my platonic relationships, my romantic relationships, like they're like developing your own language for things to capture

your experience of stuff. So that like we both know what we're talking about. because it's hard to put relationships into words. Yeah. Yeah, I guess we're really good at that. We have a bunch of words that just, like, if you were to listen to us talk, like,

I swear to God, if someone had a camera, there's listen to our conversation, it would really sound like we're speaking like a different language sometimes. We make no sense. But like that doesn't make sense. Like it's like,

we have a bunch of words that we use to describe a way of feeling something. Does anything else come to mind? Because I'd love to hear just examples of that. Oh, God. I don't know if it's, my head. It's kind of hard to tell it. It just happens. I don't know. To me, like, I don't even think about it. I don't think that I'm doing it. I just do it. Yeah. So it's an automatic language thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, even when we're not, I'm just trying to, like, resolve a conflict, even it's just, like, explaining something that we thought was, like, funny or interesting or, or weird or whatever. We have, like, different ways of, like, describing it in a way that's not the typical English language. Yeah. So, so this is, like, I'll give you all just a couple of examples that I've seen. One is, um, so, We use a, I use a conversational technique with my wife where when we want something, we will just ask, like, we'll state where we are on a scale of one to ten. So it's like, do you want to eat pizza or sushi for dinner?

Uh-huh. And like, and I want sushi. Well, I want pizza. And then this can go back and forth for a little while. I see. So you guys put a one to ten and then average it? One to ten. And then like, whoever wants it more gets it.

And then there's also some interesting gamesmanship there where like if I say seven, like you can bump it up to an eight, right? So the first person who gives a number is almost like, typically loses. Can lose. So you're opening yourself up to be like so other someone else knows exactly where you are. Right. So they can always outbid you.

And there's no cost. I mean, but it's also like a we. So it doesn't help to do that. But that's like a simple way of like artic like navigating conflict. How much do you want to do this versus how much do you want to do this? that's interesting i think typically we have things like that but there's no the way we do it is in a way that and i couldn't tell you how i couldn't explain to you but like we do it in a way that like someone doesn't have to seed that first whatever because i'm not

gonna lie maybe i'm a bad person for this but if i wanted sushi and let's say i'll just use george an example said he wanted it seven he wanted pizza seven out of ten probably nine times out of ten i would say i want to eight just because i want what i want um maybe i'm selfish or whatever but so we tried to find ways that we don't have to make ourselves like whatever like for example like we'll do something like for example i'll tell like we'll do like a silent version of that we're we'll both whisper into dreams ear how bad we want it so that way we don't have to you know do that um no but that's an example is we would do that we would do something like that yeah so so so i i think but i think that makes sense right the main thing is like everyone is on the same page about what the game is

So you know, it's not like, it's either PVP or PVE. And y'all are, you all have a kind of a PVP situation, which is not bad. It's just the only real problem happens is when one person thinks it's PVE and the other person think it's PVP. That's when you get into trouble. But it sounds like y'all are on the same page around communication. Yeah. And I think this is also one of the reasons why. So there's like different kinds of like language that we'll use.

We'll have like code words to mean like particular things and stuff like that. Like we'll develop like we have our own robust language. that if you saw us communicating, once again, it would seem very foreign, like, people wouldn't understand what we're saying. So I think one of the really interesting things that we're seeing, especially with relationships right now, like not romantic relationships, but even platonic relationships. So this is this loneliness epidemic. And I think part of the problem is that we're friends are so replaceable. So especially with things like Discord and online relationships, like you can find a group of new people very quickly. So you can't, I don't think you

have the opportunity to develop these kinds of like language skills. And it's not like skill at a particular thing. It's developing your own vocabulary for a group of people so that you all know what you mean. I also do this in therapy as well where one time with a therapy patient, we, we noticed that when we would get like into stuff that was like somewhat serious, like someone would make a dick joke. Yeah. Right? Where it's like,

okay, let's like lighten the mood. And then what happened is, is we both noticed that, okay, like we're doing this for a reason. Like, when do we make a dick joke? If we make a dick joke,

that means that we're talking about something serious. And now we know what a dick joke means. So even then at that point, it's like, okay, is it time for a dick joke? It's like, yes, let's make a dick joke. And then we kind of laugh about that.

We don't actually make the dick joke, but we're like kind of aware. So you have to develop your own language. I also see that in e-sports. teams too where people like you know some communication is is understandable but some of it is like it is different yeah i could definitely see that being in these sports teams yeah it's interesting yeah i think it's i guess that's something i didn't really notice um i just we just do it and then you pointed out and i guess it makes sense yeah so i i i think it's super fascinating and like i i don't know exactly

what people can take away because i don't i don't think i think you know some of the stuff that you all say will be generally speaking infuriating to other people. Like time to be reasonable. Like, fuck you. Like, I am being reasonable. You're the way.

Yeah. I mean, that does happen. That's literally happened before. Someone's like not done being mad. And that's literally happened. Yeah. But sometimes I think it's like, it's like,

like, like, with conflict resolution that it'll, sometimes our stupid language is just like funny. It's like an icebreaker. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Like, all right. Whatever. Let's resolve this. What's the point? Like, I'll be like, like, it's just, it's an ice breaker to a degree.

No. I, I think that's huge. So like making the overture, right? So like extending the olive branch and being like the person who signals to your friend like, hey, I'm prepared to let this pass or like let's like move forward from here. It signals to them that I want to move forward from here. You know, it's interesting. Even what you said then, I think that's really good.

Done being mad. Yeah. Yeah. Are you done being mad? Yeah. It's just like like I guess someone else said that to me. Yeah, if he says to me at the wrong time, I'll be pissed off. No, I'm not doing that.

But, like, yeah, if it's at the good time, it's just funny. It's like, are you done? Like, what do you? It's just a weird thing. Yeah, no, I mean, I think we'll use, I'm thinking about some of my own language and we'll sort of use similar things, right? Things that sound real assholeish, but like, if you're genuinely asking, you're like, hey, are you in a space to hear this?

So that's something that I think that is really useful. Like, you can say to someone, I'm not ready to have this conversation right now or, like I need some time before we address this. But being mad is... I guess like for me, I don't like it when it's too like, if someone to say that to me like, I'm not ready to address this. It would just like piss me off.

Like I need like that level of like stupid language. I don't know why. Like I need that level of like dumb language. Otherwise I'm like, why are like, why you being so serious? I mean, why it means? Yeah. So I think that just speaks to the importance of developing your own language, right? because everyone's like niceness or politeness.

Like I'm trying to think about, so, you know, people will make clips of me like saying really mean things to people. So like because when I interview people, I will sometimes be like challenging or I won't speak in like a trigger avoidant way sometimes. I don't know if that makes sense. Yeah, I understand. Like, you know, like in that moment, you're an idiot. And people will, someone even approached me recently to make a. voice pack for a video game that's just basically clips of me saying things that you can then i don't know

if you're familiar with these like you know taunts and things like that but that was hilarious um but it's really interesting right but i think the the the empathic message behind it or the emotions behind it or what's really important right so you can say like you know hey let's negotiate or whatever and it doesn't work for everyone like sometimes if you're if you try to be like overly sterilized or polite like people it'll piss people off Yeah. It just doesn't sound like you're dynamic. Yeah.

I'm one of those people. If you're too, like, too correct. Like if you're like, like, so I guess it depends. It depends on who it's coming from as well. Like if, if my friends, like my two friends here would say that to me, I'd be like, what? Like versus if someone else was arguing with said that, I would probably take it very differently. Yeah. Yeah.

Does the statement, I'm sorry you feel upset, piss you off? Yeah. Yeah. It feels, it feels like demeaning. It's like, what do you mean? Like, what are you talking? What do you mean you're sorry? I feel upset.

Yeah. You should be sorry, you made me upset. Exactly. You did something like it's like it's not my fault. I'm upset. You're the asshole. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. I don't like that statement. Yeah. But it can be used sometimes correctly. Agreed. Agreed. But very rarely I find that that would be good. I like a what the fuck, bro.

Yeah. That works. Yeah. And this is also the interesting thing. I've noticed that a lot of the right answers. that we teach for communication tend to be like don't work quite as well for men

so I find that like as a dude like a really solid what the fuck bro like really goes a long way. Yeah I mean it definitely could go a long way 100%. Yeah. Anything else that you're kind of thinking of in terms of like what y'all do differently?

Like how are these relationships that you have with these two guys like different from your other relationships? Um I don't know. I just feel like we're like super, I guess, I don't know, I just feel like we're very close. Like, it just feels like, for example, like, it would feel we, I don't know, I don't know, I guess

it just depends. I mean, it seems pretty typical for, if you're, like, living with people, but like, if, like, we, like, I feel like we do a lot of things to each other, so with each other. So it, if, like, for example, if they were to do something without me, I'd be like, what the fuck, like, I don't know, I guess it's kind of, like, dumb. I'm trying to think, I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. Couldn't tell you anything else specifically. That one seems pretty usual. Yeah.

No, I mean, it sounds like y'all are pretty tight. And I think being able to live together is like a double-edged sword. Like, if you can handle it well, it's really great. But it can create a lot of conflict. Sometimes friends don't make the best roommates. Yeah. No. I've definitely heard that.

But I think we're fine as roommates. So far, you never know. Things could change. I'm kind of curious, just if people from chat have, like, questions. like if you're cool with that. Sure. Because I think like you've been pretty much an open book and I think we've kind of like like I think the most interesting thing to me was just the way that you all interact with each other and how y'all have been able to achieve what you all have achieved. So since we've got some time left, let's see if some people are asking about a communication guide.

Are you guys honest with each other? If you're mad, do you say you're mad? Um, I think we're super honest with each other. I think we're, yeah, I feel like I don't hide, like, literally anything from them. And I feel like they don't as well with me. Uh, I think we're very, very honest with each other. Um, so what about, like, if y'all have conflict between two of y'all, like, does the third person play, like, peacemaker? Like, yes.

Yeah, that happens a lot. Okay. But sometimes, I don't like the peacemaker. Sometimes it feels like in certain scenarios that the peacemaker might be biased. So the peacemaker, that does happen a lot. But sometimes it doesn't. The peacemaker, you know, we try to use the peacemaker. But sometimes, at least to me, sometimes I think the peacemaker can be biased in certain

scenarios. And also I can be biased in certain scenarios. Yeah. Like it happens to, it happens all the time it happens. It will never, you argue in the argument. I'm the peacemaker. Obviously, I have bias in their argument. So sometimes it's a little frustrating.

Um, so, uh, any advice for new YouTubers? Advice for new YouTubers. Oh my gosh. I don't know. I'm so bad at advice. The only thing I can say is, is just try to put out the best quality you can. Take, like, just and try and find something that you actually, like, try and find videos that you're genuinely passionate about or not necessarily passionate about, but that you enjoy because you want, you want to be authentic. I think a lot of stuff on YouTube is not authentic anymore.

Like I think a lot of it's like super, a lot of it's super like handcrafted, meant for the algorithm. And while I do think that is a very successful way to do things, and I'm not saying that you shouldn't do that and you shouldn't try to appease algorithm. I think that you should try to appease the algorithm while doing something that is authentic that you like because it will just be better. Like, no, I don't think there's any ifs and buts about if you're genuinely enjoying what you're doing, what you're filming, what you're recording, that it will be better than something that,

it'll be better than something that you think is a better idea, but you enjoy us. Absolutely. I think that's, we've seen that a lot where creators who sacrifice too much to the algorithm get burnt out. And then the real tragedy is that their conflict, their content then suffers as burnout increases. So you don't have that same authenticity, that same enjoyment. And that's really what makes content super successful. Yeah. So a couple of other questions.

This is great, by the way. So what's the worst thing about being a content creator? I'd say privacy. I guess privacy. It feels like there's always people trying to like know things that you don't want to share. And like also it feels like, oh, like I can't just like sometimes I just like want to go outside and not get recognized and not have the fear of being recognized. sometimes like I look ugly today I look gross I have like a pimple on my face whatever

etc and that's like I sometimes like you just want to not worry about you want to go to the mall but you don't want to worry about being recognized because you don't want to take a photo because you look gross but like you don't want to obviously have a fan meets you it's like it's like oh like I don't I may never see this person ever again I'll just give him the photo even if I do look kind of gross so I guess like that you lose a lot of like a random things like like not random things but like things that you never thought you would care about like being able to go somewhere and not worry

about being recognized, for example. Yeah, I think... Privacy, I guess, as a whole. I would say that there's a lot of things that we take for granted before we start getting recognized. Yeah, exactly. And so... And I know I've experienced that, too,

in terms of just running into people sometimes. And it's like, this is not what I wanted to do today. Yeah, and it's like, like, simple things like, oh, it's like, if I'm out with, like, my parents, say, am I visiting home? I don't particularly want to be recognized with them because I don't, like, No, I wouldn't want like my mom in the back background of a photo or something on action. It's just like annoying.

Like I don't want to. Like I wish I like an idea where like I could turn it off like no one could recognize me for the next four hours or something. Well, I'm doing stuff. Yeah. I guess that's something I miss. It's just like yeah, just privacy as a whole. I guess I don't know. Like I keep harping on that.

But yeah, just privacy as a whole. I think it's tough. Are there like, like do you feel like you've missed out on like the college experience or things like that? Oh God. I mean, I Not really, I don't care It's so worth it It's so worth it where I guess like

I don't feel like I missed like oh I missed out on going to Random college parties I get seen like I guess like If I handcrafted my ideal world Sure I would have had a typical college experience And then done this and But because of the tradeoff I don't care No I don't feel like I missed out

Because the tradeoff to me is so worth it that I just I don't feel any kind of like I wish I went to a big college and had the college experience or whatever. I mean, it sounds like you had a lot of intentionality when you decided to become a full-time YouTuber as well, right? So you were kind of balancing things ahead of time. Yeah, I was balancing.

Yeah, because I chose to not. Like, to me, it was a decision. Like, maybe I chose like, yeah, I don't want to, I don't want to go to call. I don't want to pursue this. So yeah, partially because it, those decision feels less, whatever. And how do you, how do you manage things like anxiety, burnout? What happens if you don't feel like making content? I don't know

I haven't really experienced too much burnout to be honest just because I don't know I just think like I think I can I don't explain it

I don't know I haven't really experienced burnout to be honest and anxiety I don't know I am a very angry person but I just been anxious for a long time

that I kind of have like little methods to whatever a lot of times I'll be like you know what I'm anxious about this right now let's see if I'm anxious

about it tomorrow Or just like little things like that Because I am a very very anxious person What does that mean you're a very anxious person Like I just feel like I'll get like I'll just be like Like I'll feel anxiety about something

What is that part? It means like I'll be worried that something is gonna go wrong Okay I'll be like oh man I really hope this doesn't go wrong Or or sometimes I'll be anxious Like something stupid like oh Did I say something weird

Is this person gonna think less of me because I said that. And then I'm only thinking that because I'm anxious. If I wasn't anxious, I'm like, no, that's stupid. Like, obviously not. So how often, when you say you're a very anxious person, is this something that happens to you frequently? Yeah.

Like how often? I don't know. Very frequently. Like every day? I don't know about every day. I'd say probably around, like, I'd say, I don't know about every day. I'd say multiple times a week. I'll be like anxious.

Okay. And what are some of the tricks that you've developed? One trick I developed is, let's see if I'm anxious about this tomorrow. That's the biggest thing because a lot of times, like, I'll be anxious about something

that I shouldn't be anxious about. I'm like, why am I anxious about it? Like, the next year I'll be like, why was I was like stupid? Like, why am I anxious about that?

A lot of times it'll be like something that'll like trip me up. But if I were, if I wasn't anxious and I was thinking about it without like having that anxious feeling, I wouldn't be anxious. Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't care.

That makes sense. Yeah. So, I mean, I think that's like, that's really huge. So a couple of things. that I think it's so cool how you guys have like stumbled into stuff that we know scientifically, but like you guys weren't taught and you yourself especially.

Yeah. So, you know, a couple of things that I've really noticed about the way that you manage your emotions is like one of your best coping mechanisms is time. Yeah. So you just give it time, which is perfect. I think the biggest mistake that most people make with their emotions is that they're not able to be patient with them. Mm-hmm.

So if you look at just the way that the brain works, like the brain, any emotion that you experience is going to extinguish over time unless you keep feeding it. So the best example that I use for this is you can have the perfect wedding day, but all of the joy from the perfect wedding day won't give you 40 years of happiness and marriage. Yeah, makes sense. Right. So emotions are temporary. And our brain literally has homeostatic mechanisms that will decrease emotion if you're feeling a lot of emotion. Some people will come to equilibrium faster. Other people, like we know that if you have like ADHD, for example, sometimes you can experience more intense emotions for longer periods of time.

Yeah. But I think time is like one of the biggest antidotes to emotion. And I think the second thing that's really interesting that you figured out is you noticed that the conclusions of your mind are shaped by your emotional state. so literally like the way that your mind functions changes if you're feeling an emotion yeah a lot of people think that their logic is like separate or how much they care about something is separate from their emotion but those even how attached you are to things like how much something matters to you is going to depend on your emotional state yeah makes sense so it's really interesting how you've figured that stuff out it's cool accidental um um

Cool. So let me see if there's any other direction of questions. Sure. Do you all do any particular things to support yourselves through like tough situations? Hmm. I don't know anything specific. Nothing like I can think of. Just like just like just having people when you're in a tough situation to that you trust with everything that you can talk to is nice.

I think that's super good. I think most people don't have that. It's like if I'm going through like I probably, if I was going through anything, I would probably talk to them. about it. So I think that, but nothing like, no, no, no, no specific like methods. Yeah, methods or mechanism. I'm hearing that you guys have like a like a language that you all use and that there's just a lot of trust. Yeah. Right. And you all have like some practice at conflict resolution. I think trust is really the main thing because I think it helps you put things like conflict into context. Yeah. So it's like, oh, like this is just, you know, we ready to negotiate or whatever. So that's

cool. All right. Well, I. I think we covered a lot of questions that people have. Any kind of last thoughts or questions from your end? Oh, no, I really appreciate you talking to me. It was actually a lot of fun. I like thinking things out and talking about them, because I think a lot of things, like emotions and friendships and whatever has a lot of logic behind it.

And if you can think it out, it's beneficial. So it's fun. I enjoyed it. Yeah, I think what I really enjoyed about this conversation, it was a little bit different from what we usually do. But I really like that. What do you usually do? I don't know. I haven't seen too many.

So, good. So sometimes people will have a particular, like, question or, like, they'll have something that they want to learn more about. So that'll, or they'll have a challenge or a problem of some kind. So if there's something like that, then we'll kind of dig into that. Today, I thought it was just interesting because in the absence of that, there's still a lot to learn. Like, I think you can have a useful conversation.

And, like, the last time I talked to, maybe not the last time, like, two times ago when I talked to Ludwig, for example, like, we just had a conversation about, like, death and, like, what happens after death? Like, what do you think happened? It's all over the place. Yeah. So that was one of my favorite conversations. I think that what I kind of latched on to here, what was the most interesting to me was this angle of, there were three people who randomly started making you content, let's say, and you all ended up, all three of you all ended up pretty successful. And so the question is, like, what can we understand? about that that dynamic. Yeah. So that's just what I was interested in. And the way that you, the way that you approach things, the way that you even approach conflict,

the way that you understand yourself, the way that you made decisions. I think as you said, you're a logical person. And like I see that through and through. Even in terms of, okay, we're going to have a part-time job. We're going to, or maybe it wasn't part-time,

we're going to have a job. We're going to have, we're going to go to college, and we're going to start this YouTube thing. Yeah. And then like we're going to wait. And it sounds like your parents didn't take convincing. And so you're very, very methodical with like the way that you approach things.

Nothing seems. I mean, but also there's a balance of like inspiration, right? So you're also not like overly robotic. Like you recognize that there's spontaneity, that there's like you got to, you know, strike the iron while it's hot. You got to get excited about things. So I'm noticing a really, really solid balance of like analysis and like creativity, fun and inspiration.

trying trying to keep balance yeah right and and it sounds like you don't let your your you don't have failures you have setbacks right there's like room to grow and there's a lot of trust and you guys like support each other really well so i think it's cool to kind of get a script for maybe what a successful group of content creators like looks like because people will like collab all the time and then drama happens and shit happens. Yeah, that's no fun. You know, and I think it goes back to this thing that you were saying earlier about. You guys became really close friends before y'all were content creators.

So now that trust, there isn't that voice in the back of your mind, which, by the way, you know, I think that you can get over that to a certain degree if you, if you're interested in it. I don't know that you need to, but. Part two. Yeah. Right. So then you could tunnel down further into like, why is it hard for me to trust people in the same way? And part of that is just practical because that's, y'all are in the business of friendship. So. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Thank you so much for coming today, man. Thank you for inviting me. It was great. Take care, man. Awesome. You too. Adios.

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