HealthyGamerGG - Reviewing Amouranth's WORST Unban Requests

Episode Date: May 12, 2022

Today Dr.K and Amouranth go through her worst ban requests, do some guided meditation, and some yoga! Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/healthygamergg/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: h...ttps://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I think there's, it's first of all completely acceptable to set sort of boundaries on what is acceptable communication and what is not acceptable communication, but what pushes people to do this. Why do, I don't know that people pretend to be stalkers. That's just what they're, that's just the manifestation. My guess is that they want to be noticed. Kind of like when the kid in class acts up to get attention of the class. Yeah. And in the teacher. And oftentimes the kid who acts up doesn't quite know what drives them to act up. They just know that they need to be. you know, they act up. So when do you plan to throw that food back up your fat? Fat girls shouldn't eat.
Starting point is 00:00:36 Hey, what is the song? What is this song? How does it feel to be a stripper for 10-year-olds? And that was before I had the poll. So I don't know what they're talking about. I'm not going to ask about the farts for $1,000 in a jar. Debating ask you about it. I can send you some jars for the novelty effect. Just like a little, you don't even have to open it.
Starting point is 00:00:52 Just like to sit on your little shelf back there as a souvenir. Hi, I'm still getting your video on my screen. Let's see. Right. How are you though? I'm doing well. I'm really looking forward to the weekend. I've had a busy week and a busy couple weeks.
Starting point is 00:01:22 How about yourself? Really good. Yeah, I've been staying busy too. Got my game show coming up in May that I'm hosting. Can you tell me about that? It is going to be called Streamer Royale, a bunch of different streamers. We've got like XQC, Moise Critical. Jack Manifold
Starting point is 00:01:46 Wow Need to Miss Kiff says yes Austin is going to be there too Yeah a lot of people So many people We're still adding more so And what is the
Starting point is 00:02:00 What is the nature of the game show? It's going to be A series of physical challenges I don't want to give away too much of course Yeah That sounds intriguing Yeah competition stuff That's very cool
Starting point is 00:02:15 Yeah Okay so we're gonna be looking at ban appeals today We are, yes, we are So should we dive in or are you want to lay ground rules or how does this work? We can dive into them Are you a mod in my Probably should just mod you I don't think you're a mod That way you can see band appeals too
Starting point is 00:02:41 Okay where do I go Once I mod you there'll be like a little sword icon at the bottom of the chat. Which chat? My chat. So I should go to... I might be able to just link you the URL. Let me see.
Starting point is 00:03:00 I will go to... Hold on. Let's do this. I think I'm odded. Technical. I can just link this to you. Does that work for you? I've linked it in the Discord chat. Let me see.
Starting point is 00:03:22 Work, work, work. Fingers crossed. Amaranth? Yes. I see a window. Yeah. And there's a way to sort them at the top. I see.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Like latest first, oldest first. I like to go by oldest first. Okay. And is this okay if I show this on stream? Yes. I'm going to show it on stream too. Okay. So I'm just, I want to be careful about, you know,
Starting point is 00:03:53 because people will be. able to see who we're talking about, right, if we show it on screen? Yeah, I crop out their usernames and profile pictures. That's how I do it. Like, I crop out the entire left column of that window where it has like the list and I just focus on the actual field part. So since I have not done that, I'm not going to show it on my screen. Can you screen share with me?
Starting point is 00:04:16 It won't screen share the cropped view. Here, I'll show you the cropped view in a sec when I have it so you can just. Perfect. Thank you so much. Yeah. Are you reading them? Yes. Welcome to my insanity.
Starting point is 00:04:33 Well, we could pick the ones that you want to. Because I think some of these are pretty, I don't know what. Yeah. I did look through just a few of them. There's been a lot more exercise. I did a collab this past week with two other girls, and you know, that always brings the weirdos. when there's multiple girls in the stream. So most of these I haven't seen either.
Starting point is 00:04:58 A few of them I did save for you, though, like the really old ones. Okay, cool. Maybe the first 10 or so are ones that I've seen before where I just thought it was a interesting evolution going down. Okay, so I think I'm ready to start. Let's do this. Okay. Which one do you want to start with? Sanborn. Okay.
Starting point is 00:05:18 So. I like this is the oldest. I'm just going by oldest. All right. Let's take a look at that. this. Okay. So let's see. This says, wow. You want to read this out or? Yeah, I'll read it out. Okay, sure. Wow. Money rules the world. I swear. She is my dad's girlfriend. I want to be my dad now. Sometimes in life we are lucky to view things like this. Her dad probably wants some. Like,
Starting point is 00:05:49 where does this? So, where does this come from? Can we start by, I don't know. I don't know. even know if I understand what this person is trying to say. I don't either. Okay, so if we go through this, so wow, money rules the world. I don't understand what that, what, what is he talking about there? That's a great question. You know, I would assume that probably just like, you know, how they say like things people do for money when they talk about streamers or YouTubers.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Probably something to that effect. Okay. And all right. So, and then money rules the world. So that's just, and so I swear she is my dad's girlfriend. I want to be my dad now. So that's banable for, you get a timeout, right? For 600 seconds. Just because I think my mods is like, this guy's kind of weird. This time to mount for being weird. Yeah. That in and of itself is not necessarily, I guess. his dad has a girlfriend that looks like you? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:07:01 I think the bannable offense was her dad probably wants some. Yeah. So that's an incest comment, right? That is an incest comment, yes. Yes, that's pretty banable, right? Right. Yeah, so I don't know. How old do you think that person is if you had to guess?
Starting point is 00:07:22 I don't know, maybe 20. 20? Oh, that's old. Okay. How old do you think they are? Like 12? Maybe 13. What? One, some is probably like a 14 year old. At least 14 terminology. Yeah. I'm sorry, but I'll be respectful, though. I don't know. I don't. So is there some kind of appeal? Where do we see the appeal? The appeal is at the bottom, it says I'm sorry, but I'll be respectful, thanks. That's him appealing his chat history and you get to choose deny or unbanned.
Starting point is 00:07:59 So what do you think? I don't know. Honestly, he could probably be unbanned because it's not like a death threat. Yeah. But I'm just wondering, what makes people say incest comments? That's such a good question. Let me just think about that for a second because I'm trying to understand. Sometimes in life, we are luscious.
Starting point is 00:08:31 to view things, right? What does that mean? I mean, like this? Maybe he, maybe he was high. He's talking about you that we're lucky to view things like you. Maybe, probably. Her dad, if he wants to be his dad and he thinks that I'm his dad's girlfriend, I would only assume that he is calling me attractive, but I could be wrong. Yeah. So let's talk about that for a moment. Can we just spend a moment talking about the different ways in which you can call a woman
Starting point is 00:09:14 attractive? You could just be like, you look nice. Yeah. So you were asking about why do people say things like this? I think it's because they don't know how to simply compliment someone, right? So we see a lot of this weird, passive, aggressive, you know, in the pickup artist community, they call it negging, which is when you insult someone when you like them. Right.
Starting point is 00:09:38 And then sometimes you get, I mean, I guess sometimes it works. My take on, you know, that community is that they tend to have a bunch of techniques that work on people who don't have a whole lot of confidence in themselves. So there's sort of like this selection bias. And that's also why they kind of say, like, you have to keep trying. You have to try it 100 times. You have to insult people 100 times. Eventually you're going to find someone with low enough confidence where it takes advantage
Starting point is 00:09:58 of their psychological traumas and they respond to you well in some way. but I mean I think if what we're talking about here is you know if he wants to compliment you it's a weird way of it's a weird way of doing it my guess is that this person has feelings that they don't understand and they're they're they're frightened by their feelings and also they don't know how to behave properly but also I don't know if they've ever had a role model about behaving properly? Uh-huh. Right?
Starting point is 00:10:34 Um, and I imagine that sometimes, as many streamers do, you excite particular feelings in your audience, which is why people get connected to us, right? I do too. Mm-hmm. Um, I tend to be merciful, though. So, I mean, if you feel like giving this person a second chance, I'm game, what do you think? Yeah, I think so. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:01 Cool. Let's do it. Do it? Did you click the button? Yeah, I clicked the button. Okay. Awesome. Strong work.
Starting point is 00:11:09 What's next? This is Kia's. Okay, so we're just going down the line. Yeah, we are. Okay, let's do it. Who is key? Did they bang overnight? So I had S-Fend over for a collab, and we did a sleep stream in my bed.
Starting point is 00:11:24 But obviously, it was very, very platonic. but why is that obvious it is obvious i should be obvious anyways but you know sometimes chat can't handle when a man and a woman are in the same room together yes that that can never be platonic yeah yes okay um what does give it in my eyes i'm see that part is what i'm confused by also i don't know if he meant like cooming in the eyes or I don't know what that means either. What is Kumi in the eyes? Kumi is like jizzing.
Starting point is 00:12:09 Oh. Yeah, yeah. I guess I could have put that together. Okay. Hold on. All right. So let's let's, okay.
Starting point is 00:12:19 So did they bang it overnight? Give it in my eyes. Maybe what he's looking for, I think what he's looking for is the, is the representation of the banging. Maybe he wants to see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then is he her boyfriend?
Starting point is 00:12:33 And then if it was me, I would F her. So what did this person get banned for? It's the, if it was me, I would F her? Yeah, a little entitlement, a little rapy vibes. Okay. Like, as in if this person was engaging in a platonic relationship with a woman. If he was sleeping in my bed, he would fuck me, basically, is what he's saying. Okay.
Starting point is 00:12:57 Yes. And, and, yeah, so that's a, touch rapy? Yeah. I think we can agree on that. His appeal is really what gets me. Sorry. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Sorry. I got taken over by my emotions. Please unbanned me. And I will make it worth. Thanks. Fellow Amaranth fan. What does that mean? I will make it worth.
Starting point is 00:13:21 I will make it worth. What? Amaranth, I'm kind of thinking, so we can go through this, but I'm kind of thinking like, I'm noticing like maybe a for some basic education here about managing your emotions and what's okay and not to say. And if you like someone and because I think when he says give it in my eyes, I mean, I know that we can always jump to the cooming, but I would, I really think what he's looking for is an image
Starting point is 00:13:53 of you and S fan banging. Hmm. Because that's maybe a translation barrier, you know, like a language barrier. Well, I mean, I think it would be nice to give them the benefit of that. By the way, the reason I thought the other guy was, I assume it was a dude, was an older age, is because he used capital letters. Ah. And punctuation.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Right. Which generally speaking, you know, the youngans don't really do that as much. I don't know, I don't know, though, but I mean, I think the, you know, I don't know, dude. I don't know about this one, because I do think the rapy vibes is kind of. And, uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so deny. I think so. I, I'm going to reply to him not worth. Oh, out. I would be careful about that. Really? Yes. How would you, what would you say? Um, so, okay, so I'm not an expert here, but, so generally speaking, like, if, if a person is like making, you know, threatening statements, you don't want to overreact to that and you don't want to under react to that, but you also don't want to, want to do something or just as the way that I work. I mean, you know your community way better than I do. You're way more successful as a streamer than I am. So take this with a grain of
Starting point is 00:15:16 salt. But I think that just because they behave out of line doesn't mean that you want to hit back. Right? So like when you're doing that, you're kind of- You're taking the real-life women approach. Huh? You're taking the real-life woman approach to creepers. Be cautious because you don't want them to follow you to your car. Sure. That's not the approach that I was taking, but I think you for educating us. I think that makes sense. But I think it's just more about like, you know, just because they make, I mean, he's saying something inappropriate and then you're going to insult him, which is like fine from a, you know, like this is the internet and like don't dish it
Starting point is 00:15:55 if you can't take it, which I sort of get. I get that. I get that that sometimes like you have to display your power and put people in their place. But generally speaking, I try not to give into those feelings. Gotcha. So is there something that you think we could say that might make him think about the next time he engages with a woman on Twitch? Yeah. So I think that I actually really like because I know it sounds kind of weird, but I think a lot of these people who say inappropriate things, I do think they need help and I think they need education. So like, let's just think through this for a second. If you had said, not worth, what is that going to encourage him to do with other female streamers on Twitch? I don't think he's going to learn his lesson. It's just going to piss him off,
Starting point is 00:16:36 right? Probably. He's like, I'm a show that bitch, what I'm worth. Right? Like, seriously. Maybe it'll make him gift 100 subs to prove me wrong. We don't know. You know, that's a.
Starting point is 00:16:49 Yeah, that I can't, I don't, I'm not very good at soliciting donations or subs. And my team has been trying to get me to do that for like two and a half years and I just don't know how to do it properly. But I would say this is the kind of thing that it's like, you know, you're, you're, your quote gives us off rapy vibes, and that's really not acceptable on Twitch. Like Twitch is a place where, like, we can have fun, but that crosses the line. Now, but I'm going to defer to you, because if that doesn't feel right, you know, please don't do that to other people and, like, please recognize that your words have meaning, and you are an important part of the Twitch community.
Starting point is 00:17:33 But that's not nearly as fun. I'm with you in terms of Not Worth is way more exciting, entertaining and emotionally engaging. It makes for better content. So I told him, your chat history gives us a bit of entitled rapy vibes. So maybe consider this type of wording when engaging in other chats in the future. I think that's maybe reconsider. That's a better word.
Starting point is 00:18:02 Yeah, I think that's well said, Amaranth. Very eloquent. Here we go. Okay. Now we are on Guy Donnie. Riddle me this, Amaranth. I am inside of your home. Yeah, so that's like straight up stalking, right?
Starting point is 00:18:20 Yes. I don't, see, I don't understand why people like to pretend that they're stalkers. Yeah, what do you think? What, I mean? What is there to be gained? That's a good question. A ban. Well, yeah, but let me think about that.
Starting point is 00:18:50 What is there to be gained? So this is, you know, so it's. It's fine that this person gets banned, but I think that if we look at like, people oftentimes test limits and test boundaries, right? They want to see, like, what's okay to get away with. Mm-hmm. And they want to be maybe a little bit edge lords. They want to be cool. They want to, they want to get.
Starting point is 00:19:13 So oftentimes they'll do things like this to get noticed. Mm, attention. Right? So, like, they want, I mean, we saw, so there was an interesting post. recently on our subreddit about someone who's like, I am an internet troll and I don't know how to stop. I just feel seen, I feel heard when like I can, like when there's a streamer that's has 10,000 viewers and they respond to my comment. Like I'm at the top of the list of 10,000. So I think there's a lot. I mean, we can't read. I mean, so much hypothesizing into so little information. But I think there's,
Starting point is 00:19:50 it's first of all completely acceptable to set sort of boundaries on what is acceptable communication and what is not acceptable communication, but what pushes people to do this? I don't know that people pretend to be stalkers. That's just what they're, that's just the manifestation. My guess is that they want to be noticed. Right. Kind of like when the kid in class acts up to get attention of the class. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:14 And in the teacher. And oftentimes the kid who acts up doesn't quite know what drives them to act up. They just know that they need to be, you know, they act up. Right. And I think that it's also probably an important lesson to learn that like stalking is not okay and joking about stock. Like certain behaviors are not okay and certain behavior like joking about certain behaviors is also not okay. Like stocking is not okay. Joking about stalking is not okay.
Starting point is 00:20:44 You know, sexually assaulting people is not okay. Joking about sexually assaulting people is not okay. smurfing in Dota or League of Legends is not okay. Joking about smurfing about Dota or League of Legends is not okay. Right? There are certain things that societally we just set limits on. And, you know, but smurfing is the kind of thing that we, you know, let people joke about. What is smirthing exactly?
Starting point is 00:21:11 So if I'm, well, a couple of things. So generally it's like when you're, if you're a high skill player and you have like a high rating. And if you go into matchmaking, you get matched against other players who are like high skill. And so what tends to happen is like eventually you're going to start like you're going to kind of get to a 50-50 win rate and you don't win very much or you win half the time. And so what people will do is they'll create new accounts and they'll go into players with, they'll go into games with like newer players or worse players and they'll just dumpster all over them. So they'll just like crush noobs. And they should be playing. It's kind of like if
Starting point is 00:21:49 I, you know, if I go wrestle a three-year-old, it's like, yeah, I can win, but, you know, it's not really, but some people like the feel of winning, and so they smurf. I see. We're learning new things. You're learning about cooming? I'm learning. This is going to be a wonderful exchange of information. We're both going to be learning about things that everyone in both of our chats already knows a ton about. We're going to be the only ones learning here today. I let my chat vote on this one, though. They say they want to keep him banned. And so I think we should tell stalking slash pretending to be a stalker is not okay if you wanted attention. So before you do that, can we read the person's reasoning?
Starting point is 00:22:41 Oh, it's a feel, yes. Hey, yeah. Is it a day I did not realize that I would get banned for this? This is my first time in the chat, and I am incredibly not sober. I would like to request a second chance at life. What do you think about that part? I am incredibly not sober. I don't think it's good to blame alcohol or drugs for acting out.
Starting point is 00:23:05 I think that you have to be responsible for your actions, just like in person. If you punch someone while you are drunk, you are still responsible for punching them. So yeah, that's what I think about that. And also the request is second chance at life. leads me to believe that he doesn't take it seriously or see what was wrong with what he said. Yeah. So I, first of all, completely agree with your first statement that I think the decision to use substances does not make you immune to the behavior afterward or like it does not absolve your responsibility afterward. So I don't think that's an excuse. And oddly enough, I think you would be reinforcing the wrong things by unbanning him. Because actually, interestingly enough, the signal that you would be sending.
Starting point is 00:23:49 is, oh, by the way, if you blame drugs, chances are punishments will be removed. Right. Oddly enough, this is one of the cases where I think what he says makes me less likely to want to unban him. Right. His appeal indicates and he's trying to get a pass. And then if you unbanned him, what we're actually going to be teaching him is, oh, by the way, if you blame the drugs, stalking people is okay. Right? You can get a pass for that sort of thing.
Starting point is 00:24:19 Yeah, I agree. By the way, chat, I just tweeted, so please go like, comment, and retweet. I'd appreciate it. I think we're going to deny this guy. Okay. Telling that stalking slash pretending to be a stalker is not okay. If you wanted attention, you could have made actual funny comments in the chat or subbed for free with Twitch Prime. Okay.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Goodbye. So next up, Inage. Let me see. I think this is also in response to Esf and being here. They said, yes, he's her boyfriend. And then his appeal is, I hate you, Mons. I don't only think that should have been banned. I agree.
Starting point is 00:25:18 It is interesting that any time that a male is on my stream, there's people in chat who will assume it's my boyfriend. Even when I had my, like, 50-year-old uncle on my stream with me, they assumed it was my boyfriend. How does that I was about to ask you how that makes you feel but I don't know if we want to go there It doesn't really make me feel anything about me
Starting point is 00:25:49 It's more of I question The fact that they can't handle men and women Being in the same room together without being in an intimate relationship And that's strange to me I'm wondering why so many people seem to be like that I don't know if it's a cultural thing or if it's an immaturity thing? Well, I mean, I think, and let me know if this is a little bit out of line,
Starting point is 00:26:19 but I think that, you know, you do have a sexual undertone to a lot of your streams. And so I wonder if they're kind of reading too much into that. I don't think that that makes it acceptable by any means. But I think you, I wonder if those two things are related. Like, I have to think that you attract a certain kind of Gumer, let us say. Mm-hmm. But... But this isn't just a my chat issue.
Starting point is 00:26:53 I see this all the time on, like, mail streams, too. If there's a female on, they'll be like, are you fucking? So that's a really good point. So then I think maybe it doesn't have anything to do with you and it has more to do with with Twitter chat. I'm not sure, though. I don't know. Like so when I get a question like, yeah, so do you think the first ban was appropriate or?
Starting point is 00:27:16 I don't actually think this should have been banned. I think a time all that has sufficed. Yeah, so it seems like they timed out and then banned. Mm-hmm. So how does that, what do you think happened there? Does that, does something, did someone in this case, I think it could have been a misclick, like a double thing because it was literally like the same second. Okay. So, and then, then what I'm curious about is their response. their reason to get unband as I hate you mods? What do you think? Yeah, there's no mod comment.
Starting point is 00:27:51 So I don't think it was like a ban evasion situation. So are you thinking unbanned? I think we can unband and be like, just a bit of advice. The way to get unbanded is to not tell the mods you hate them. Sure. Typically. Yeah. And I don't know about this.
Starting point is 00:28:10 Why do they have to? Why do people make comments? So I wonder if, like, some of it, Amaranth is like, just, you know, if you tell Twitch chat not to do something, the first thing they're going to want to do is do it. Right? Like, so I wonder if there's just sort of this thing where, like, you've set a very clear boundary and you've made it very clear that you can have platonic relationships with people. And that, like, that's actually, like, important. and acceptable and should not be frowned upon. And some people really take issue with that.
Starting point is 00:28:47 It really, like, bothers them in some way. If we really want to get into it, I mean, I think some of this is because they themselves have trouble having platonic relationships, so they can't imagine that that's possible for other people. Right. So I think people oftentimes judge others based on what goes on in their head. So if I lust after every single woman I'm ever in a room with, including 50-year-old family members, then what I'm going to naturally assume is that's what other people are doing.
Starting point is 00:29:22 And so, you know, because it's kind of like, so I ran into this problem many, many years ago with my wife where like, I don't care too much about occasions, but she does. So for me, it's like not that big of a deal if like I'm celebrating my birthday on my birthday or a week later. like it's, you know, the day doesn't mean much to me, but for her, it does mean something. So, like, to do things properly, like, kind of on that day is important. Right. And so in that same way, like, it took me a while to realize, like, when I didn't do something on her birthday, like, she was very hurt by that. Because when she does things on my birthday, like, she puts a lot of meaning and effort into it. And so I'm wondering if that's kind of the same thing where these people just don't believe that platonic relationships are possible.
Starting point is 00:30:06 if you're sexually frustrated at home and have trouble engaging with women in a platonic way and that also results in you having trouble seeing them as human beings because you don't have female friends then you kind of sexualize them and then you kind of like you know it like becomes a vicious cycle where since you're sexualizing women you can't have friends since you don't have friends you don't know how to humanize women and then you sexualize them and then they show up in your chat yeah how is that for answer. It's sad. Yeah, so I think that, you know, we can teach people, hopefully we can help people, like learn how to be friends with people of the opposite gender, or same gender, for that matter.
Starting point is 00:30:53 That's true. Yeah, we don't judge here. Um, so on ban, right? Um, I think I kept them ban. Oh, you, oh, you kept them. Wait. No, no, no, maybe I did un-ban. I think I did on ban. That was the one of the I'm a band too fast, yeah. Yeah, I'm a ban behind still. Yeah, we unband that one. Okay, so, Barovnaiza? This is a new person now. Yes.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Let's do it. Okay. Okay. If you want, you can read it out. I have to send a message a quick. Yeah, I can read it out, and I'm sure this will get clipped. I'm not a simp. I just came to realize that Kate is a good person who is actually really cool in life,
Starting point is 00:31:35 so stop hating her. you are all so you're all just jealous Kate you were so beautiful yo uh yo english only match phrase group three do Amazon cosplay blocked language detected
Starting point is 00:31:58 and then I know you all can't see this yo yes baby oh Jesus why doesn't he invade her I'm confused the S Finn's sleep stream. Why doesn't he invade her? Okay. And then the reasoning that they provide is, what is wrong with what I said? If I were in the same bed with you, baby, you would be getting it in your mouth and stomach. This is so bad, bro. It's so bad. Don't be so sexist. It is natural that men want to have sex with you and imagine it. Are you offended by men's desire towards you?
Starting point is 00:32:41 and yet you show your booty to the world. I'm not going to read that next part. And I like you, babe, but don't be a hypocrite. Yeah, so what I was like looking through stuff and was like, yeah, this is bad. This is the kind of stuff I was reading. Yeah. So I'm still confused about why the person got banned in the first place. I'm not.
Starting point is 00:33:09 He said, oh, Jesus, why doesn't S-Fend invade her while they're in her bed? Oh, that part I understand, but they were getting timed out and stuff before that. This is a bot timing out foreign language. Okay, so this is a bot. Yeah, for either spam or foreign language. Okay, so it's not the top stuff. It's not, I'm not a simp. I just came.
Starting point is 00:33:32 I'm not a sim. It's like, ban. Yeah. I just came to realize that Kate is a good person who is actually really cool in life. That doesn't, is that bad? I don't even know what they're talking about. No, no, those are fine. That's fine. Okay. That's fine. Um, yeah, it's, it's more of like, the appeal is very, yeah. Well, the reason why I have banned is yikes and the appeal makes it even
Starting point is 00:33:56 worse. Yeah, I think the appeal is way out of line. So just to be clear, like, you know, I don't think, so this guy's talking about what is, what is offensive about someone's desire towards you? And, and, you know, this could be another place where maybe I'm incorrect or overstepping, but I don't think desire is wrong. No. I think presumptions on desire or implying that other human beings don't have a choice in the matter? Or? I think entitlement is the issue here to other people's bodies without consent.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Yes, completely agree. Desire is just, you know, people desire all kinds of things. I want a cupcake. But, you know, I don't get to eat it if it's someone else's. Or even I don't have to give into it even if it's my own cup. cake. Exactly. So I think this is a pretty clear deny, right? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. That's been, to me, that's been the clearest one that we've looked at so far. Have we looked at something that you think is clearer than that? No, this is the worst one so far. I'm sure it'll get, it'll probably
Starting point is 00:35:07 get worse, but this is the worst one so far. Yeah. Should we move on then? Or do you want to talk about this more? No, I think, I think everyone here. This one isn't too hard to analyze. It's just very, rapy vibes Okay All right Next What? Did I miss something? I'm just reading that first message of the next one
Starting point is 00:35:33 I have small schmeet And will any girls still let me tap Is it the motion of the ocean or the size Please I need answers Please help me I have a girl in the bag Do I try to tap or do I just talk Because my schmeet is small
Starting point is 00:35:50 This is urgent. I'm confused. And then he goes on and he escalates to just spamming a whore. And then his appeal is thought, thought, thought, thought, thought, thought. Now, what do you think drives individuals to behave this way? Hold on. I'm just trying to understand what the person is saying. Can you help me understand that first sentence?
Starting point is 00:36:15 I have small, small shmeat. Will any girl still do you? I think he says he has a small penis. Okay. And tap, tap means is intercourse. Yes, tap is intercourse. Is it the motion of the ocean or the size? And this is referring to how important the size of the penises in terms of intercourse? We need the answers.
Starting point is 00:36:45 And then please help me, I have a girl in the bag. What does that mean? Is that like an abduction? It's still means he's DMing a girl and he doesn't know if he should make plans to hook up or just talk to her because he doesn't know if she would want to hook up with his small penis. Okay. Yeah, so let's pause here for a second. So so far, I mean, I guess this guy is just trolling, right?
Starting point is 00:37:18 No, you would think, but I've, I've, I don't think. but I've met some guys who were actually concerned about their small penis. Yeah, but I mean, is this the way that you express concern about your small penis? Do you do it on Twitch chat? I mean, I could see it reasonably. If you consider the type of person who might use Twitch chat for this kind of question, they probably are on the computer a lot inside without real social skills. and feeling insecure and watching a lot of porn
Starting point is 00:37:53 where angles could look like all guys have a big dick and that's actually not true, but they don't know, but they're insecure, and so they're asking for help. Okay, so I'm learning a lot, like so also from chat that I guess maybe people are like serious about this stuff, right? So maybe they're pretending to be trolling, but deep down they're actually like looking for an answer. Like they're actually looking for some kind of like validation or comfort
Starting point is 00:38:20 or reassurance that even if you have a small penis, you can engage in a healthy relationship. Exactly. Yeah. And we think that that's going on here instead of the person trolling. It could go either way. Chat, what do you think?
Starting point is 00:38:35 Let's do a poll. And then I think after that, when he just starts saying horror, horror, horror, horror, that actually implies to me that maybe there is a legitimate feeling or concern here on the part of the person, not to say that their behavior is appropriate,
Starting point is 00:38:53 but that maybe this isn't a troll. Because usually when trolls get called out, they don't respond so, it's more like, can't you take a joke? I was joking, lull, as opposed to feeling personally attacked. And he does have a small penis, and he actually is insecure about it, I could see how he could project his insecurities onto people over the internet by calling them names. I mean, so I think this is kind of like the way that this person responded by being toxic
Starting point is 00:39:25 and also their ban appeal is thought, thought, thought, thought, thought, thought. Which, by the way, I do know what that means. So I've learned. You know that one? Yeah, I know that one. Yeah, I mean, I think, so this one doesn't get on banned, right? No, we're not going to ban it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:41 And then I think the other thing is, just from a medical perspective, like, I think that, a couple of just like medical facts. A medical perspective about the small penis? Yeah. Okay, keep going. So if, you know, I think that if you look at healthier, healthy sexual relationships, they can be like very varied. I mean, if we, you know, for example, lesbians have healthy sexual relationships with no penises. True.
Starting point is 00:40:15 And so there's just a, you know, there's a lot of. options out there. So I don't think that a small penis necessarily precludes you. Right. You can always use a strap on over your small penis. It's fine. I wasn't necessarily thinking that, but, you know, I think that just, just to remember, like, I'm seriously, like, there's, you know, there's a lot of different ways that people can engage in healthy sexual relationships. And if you've got a partner and if you have an insecurity, like a healthy sexual relationship is actually a wonderful way to overcome an insecurity. Right. You can just share, everyone has things that they're insecure about.
Starting point is 00:40:50 And it's okay to like have those insecurities and treat people with respect and like give them the chance. Like don't, you know, don't make decisions for them. So if you have a small penis and you're out there and you're thinking, oh, the person that I'm talking to would never be interested in me because of my penis. Like that's their choice, right? They get to make that judgment. They get to make that decision about whether they want to engage with you or not. And if you assume that that's a deal breaker, then like, Like, you're not even giving other people a chance to accept you.
Starting point is 00:41:20 And if you don't give other people a chance to accept you, then, like, of course, you're going to become resentful and feel unaccepted because you're not giving people a chance to do that. True. 100%. Do you have any thoughts on the matter? It's not a troll. It's just because we're both talking about stuff. I think that a lot of guys also are not realizing what the average penis size actually is,
Starting point is 00:41:46 especially in America. it's like four to five inches. And I think a lot of guys assume that just because other men say they're like nine inches online, that that means they're small. When in reality, you know, people just aren't actually that big on average. Yeah, I think there's also, I remember learning it's been a while since I took anatomy. But if you actually look at the nature of the nerve endings in the female genital area, the most concentrated nerves are actually like towards the front or the outside.
Starting point is 00:42:20 And then inside the nerves are like different. So you have a lot more light touch and other kinds of like nerves that are very, very sensitive on the outside, which is like, so that's sort of, you know, whether you're four inches or eight inches, I can't really attest to this. But anatomically, there's more sensation. So even with a small amount of inches, I think you get a lot of sensation. And obviously the clitoris is on the, you know, on the outer part. Right.
Starting point is 00:42:50 Which is oftentimes what you need to stimulate to achieve orgasm. Yes. And yeah, if people know where that is, the dick isn't as important as far as the size goes. Yeah. And I think studies show that I want to say like 50 to 70% of women are maybe not capable. I'm a bit rusty on the statistics, but are not capable of achieving orgasm through penit. a trade of sex. Right.
Starting point is 00:43:19 But I'll have to find a reference. It sounds right anyways. Right? And then there's lots of jokes about does that mean that people aren't doing it right or what? I actually don't know. I'm going to have to look into that and double check the science. No, it's not about right. It's just that's not a sensitive for women.
Starting point is 00:43:38 Yeah. The inside. Yeah. So takeaway is that, you know, if you have a small schmeat, is this person put it, don't assume that you can't have a fulfilling romantic or sexual relationship. That's right. That turned out wholesome. It did.
Starting point is 00:43:59 It did. Now, the calling people whore and thought, that's a projection of those same insecurities. Yeah, I don't know exactly what that is. I mean, I think sometimes we like to call it projection, right, so, like, I can get behind why we say that. But sometimes, I don't know. like sometimes I feel like in psychiatry, we attribute everything to like psychological stuff instead of just people not being good people. Right. Like good and evil has left the textbook of mental health.
Starting point is 00:44:30 And sometimes I do believe that, you know, there's like mental health aspects. But sometimes I'll like work with patients who are just me. Like it's not it's not because they were abused. It's not because they're, you know, sometimes people are just like choose to do bad things. And I'm, yeah, I think, I think we can tell him, though, a good note is it's okay to be small. You aren't lesser just because you think your penis is smaller than average size. What? That's very wholesome.
Starting point is 00:45:02 And also, you can't get on band if you call people horrors and thoughts. That's what you should be ashamed of. Yes. So how is this, y'all? Like, I, this was very different from. I don't know what I was expecting. But like, you know, we did a ban appeal stream some time ago,
Starting point is 00:45:25 but I think we also like engaged with the people who we banned. So we actually had them on and kind of talk to them and had a conversation with them and stuff, which I'm not so sure that that's doable in a situation like this. I do think though that like, so what I like about what we're doing right now is that, so I don't think we talk enough about banning. I think that banning is like not a perfect system by any means and that we could do a better job at it.
Starting point is 00:46:00 My biggest complaint with banning people is that I don't know that there's any kind of substantive feedback given to people. And so then like the concern that I have is like on the internet, you know, like you can ban someone, but I don't know that it necessarily changes their behavior in a positive. of light. And when I think about, like, so if we look at it from like basic principles of psychology, like, why do we punish people? So some of it is like kind of this eye for an eye carmic kind of like this person has hurt someone, so you deserve to be hurt. But I tend to really find that the main reason for punishment is to alter behavior. Like that's what I believe, I guess, or believe in maybe is a better way to put it. The reason that, you know, you administer a
Starting point is 00:46:46 punishment to someone is to alter behavior, ultimately. and oftentimes, you know, in situations where there's a power dynamic, it's actually to instruct. So, like, you're trying to teach someone. So if I, you know, if I get upset with you and I yell at you, like, that's not, I mean, I don't think that's a good example. But if we really look at, like, the goal here is like, we're not trying to take people who misbehave on the internet and, like, radicalize them further or build more resentment. Which if you look at some of the ban appeals language, right? Like, this is where, People are just resentful. And then I think Amaranth is right. They're going to go to another, like, they're just going to show up somewhere else on Twitch.
Starting point is 00:47:28 Should we keep going? Yeah. Have you read any of this one yet? No. Okay. Okay. Okay. We can start on.
Starting point is 00:47:38 She needs to lose some weight. Her tummy is growing. You've been gaining weight. You need to stop. Are all Americans in bread? It's a shame. You're fat and a rank. Ranga? I don't know what that is. Does anybody know?
Starting point is 00:47:51 I don't know what a ranga is either. Okay. Unbangan, as surely is their appeal. I'll donate $100 if you unbanned, please. Chat, what is a ranga? A redhead? Oh, chat's saying it's a redhead. Wait, so it's a shame you're fat and oranga. So he's saying that I have red hair like an orangutangang? Oh, wow. How creative. Okay. What a shame.
Starting point is 00:48:30 And so if we go through this, what's the difference of your free only fans? Okay. And premium one put clothes on, got timed out, needs to lose weight, tummy is growing. You've been gaining weight. You need to stop bullying. That makes sense. And then fat and Ranga. So clearly, they don't actually hate me because they want to be undefereeing. band and want to donate money or at least pretending that they do i wouldn't assume that that people won't donate just because i i don't think you can necessarily draw a hundred percent parallel between people donating and liking you or hating you i think that's true sometimes when i have my
Starting point is 00:49:18 chat in sub mode people will sub to insult me yeah so i think sometimes there's a certain power dynamic and almost dehumanization when you're the one who's got the money. And oftentimes that hatred comes with that exercising of the power dynamic. I see. Yeah, I used to joke about that in my interviews, like with Anthony Padilla and Vice, is that streaming is actually just being insulted for a living. That's brutal. Yeah, brutal. at least for a lot of females.
Starting point is 00:49:56 I don't know if males get as... I assume males get insulted too, but probably not in the same like a sexual undertone horror type ways, you know? Yeah, I mean, I think even undertone is an understatement there. I think a lot of times the toxicity is a lot more overt towards female streamers. But yeah, I mean, I don't know that... I mean, maybe they are.
Starting point is 00:50:21 I'm just not that familiar with it, but generally speaking, I think that the kinds of insults, I imagine, must be different. And the kinds of toxicity that people face must be different. Yeah, 100%. Like, I know train wrecks gets people saying chicken legs, even though he has very swole calves. Like, I think people just like to insult. But definitely, that's not as toxic as like this kind of thing. Yeah, so, I mean, I think that the needing to lose weight and, tummy is growing and you've been gaining weight, you need to stop. Like, that's very, those are very
Starting point is 00:50:56 cruel and hurtful things to say. I almost think that those are worse than horror. Mm. That's true. Because a lot of people, um, have those actual real insecurities about their appearance, you know? I detect more malice from these kinds of statements. Mm. As opposed to just like, reflexive. Yeah, just like reflexive. Yeah, just like reflexive. of like I'm going to toss out misogynistic comments versus like I want to really make you feel bad about yourself and I'm saying this to hurt you. Right. I also think this is another case where I mean, what are you thinking here?
Starting point is 00:51:41 Um, I'm not really sure like what makes people be toxic towards others. I assume it must be unhappiness in their own lives because happy people just don't say these things to each other. Yeah. I think that's often. times true. Are you thinking about banning or unbending or what? I'm thinking stay banned.
Starting point is 00:52:06 I think so too. And I think that too is the kind of thing where I think if you unbanned, they're going to attribute it to the $100 donation. Right. And then I think while it may be financially lucrative to do that, I think it sets the wrong message and teaches the wrong lesson, which is that I can buy my way out of bad behavior. Right. Which, unfortunately, is sometimes true.
Starting point is 00:52:40 What would you say is a good lesson for him to take away if we were going to, besides, like, of course, insulting others is never okay. But I mean, I feel like that part is common sense. Yeah, no, I don't think it's insulting. I think actually the lesson to take away is that like your words can actually hurt people and this is not a community where like we don't want to support a. community that has people being malicious towards each other and trying to hurt each other. Right. So like think about, you know, like, I don't know. I mean, I feel this may be,
Starting point is 00:53:11 this may be weird coming from you, but like, you know, I think this is the kind of thing where I think everyone needs to understand. And by weird coming from you, what I mean is that you have a particular way of language, which is just different from the way that I speak. So I, even, even when you translate my words or, you know, when you take away what I'm saying, and kind of inject what you put into it. I think that's wonderful. But I think that this is where, just in general, my thought is that I don't think people realize
Starting point is 00:53:40 that they have a responsibility on the internet. Right. And if there's some way for him to come, assuming it's a him once again, what? Lifesaver just cheered 10,000 bits and said, thank you for pointing out unacceptable behaviors.
Starting point is 00:54:00 Never let them get to you. Wow. Cheesh. That's so wholesome. Yeah. So I think signaling to them in some way that, you know, you have a responsibility on the internet and that your actions matter. True.
Starting point is 00:54:14 And that like money, you know, you may be able to buy your way out of unbanned sometimes, but like that's not really making the world a better place. Like you being an asshole and hurting people and then paying money to get them to forgive you is not. that's not helping anyone. I don't know how else to put it. I agree. All right, next one.
Starting point is 00:54:38 All right, next one. Let's go. Where is Minecraft? Please, may I buy your bathwater kind woman? Yo, this was 2021. This man was ahead of his time. Yo, what up, guys. Hello, gorgeous.
Starting point is 00:54:52 Down bad deluxe. What, Aryan hype? Is that like the Nazi thing? I don't know why this person was banned. I don't understand what any of this stuff means. I'm assuming it is. I don't, unless it's a different spelling. Yeah, yeah, it is.
Starting point is 00:55:07 Okay. Well, that one we can just deny because racist. So maybe we'll respond. I don't know. I don't know. I know this sounds kind of bizarre, but Arien is also a, like, it's a name in my culture. So I have no idea if this is a misspelling, if this is racist.
Starting point is 00:55:26 It could be, it could be a different. It's actually two words. Two letters mixed. It could also be like Ryan with a type. I don't know. Right. I could be reading. I think I read it wrong.
Starting point is 00:55:37 It's, it's, the racist one is A-R-Y-A-N. Yeah, but even A-R-Y-A-N is a name in Indian culture. So it's like, like in, you know,
Starting point is 00:55:49 so I, I have no idea. I don't know how to interpret this. So my chat is saying that, um, this spelling is a Turkish drink. But I've never had this on my stream. So now I don't know what the context is.
Starting point is 00:56:05 Yeah. So that's my point is that it's not, they didn't say. Context is difficult. And if we also look at the history of what this person is saying. Yeah. Yo, what up guys. Hello, gorgeous. Ha, ha, ha.
Starting point is 00:56:18 Like, where's mine? So I think this is unbanned. Okay. Okay. That's true. And it's not, it's not a typo. Because they even said in their ban. reasons, right? They said, banned for A-Ran hype, let's go. So I think if it was a typo, they would have
Starting point is 00:56:37 spelled it right the second time, right? So maybe they're just referring to something else. I also wonder, is this, is this just something we can, hold on. I don't know what is going to happen to my cookies if I do this, but. You're going to search it? Yeah. So like, look, it's just a drink. Okay. Okay. So I mean, as, is, as, as, is, As much as we want to be, you know, anti-Nazi, which I think we don't, we don't want. And my mod probably both misinterpreted it. Yeah, we don't want our own racism. Right.
Starting point is 00:57:16 To ban people. Right. Who are not racist. Right. Right. That makes sense. So, yeah, I think that's an unbanned. So instead I will write Turk var me, which I think means any Turks here.
Starting point is 00:57:34 and a heart. The Turkish people are probably my biggest percentage of audience. Really? I don't know. But maybe. Hornhub's banned in Turkey, so I'm just assuming. All right. Sin un-banned decision.
Starting point is 00:57:50 Okay. Next up. We've got Dylan Schutz, which says, yeah, for sure, dog shit. I don't even know why this was banned. I don't know either. This was 2019.
Starting point is 00:58:06 When stuff is this old, and especially if there's no context, I just unbanned, because I don't know. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. This person was maybe a mistake? Possibly. They last typed in your chat in 2019. Yeah, because that's when they got banned, so. That's when they got banned? Yeah, they can't type if they get, you know, they get banned.
Starting point is 00:58:29 So it says this chat history, and he's banned a second later. So the person is now applying for an unbanned three years later. Yeah, which is weird. You would think that he would have, maybe he took a hiatus from Twitch, who knows? Okay. Who knows? I don't know who Nikki Poo is, but I mean. I don't know either.
Starting point is 00:58:51 If he comes up on an unbanned, then we'll know who he cares too. All right. Bonebreaker. So when do you plan to throw that food back up your fat? Fat girls shouldn't eat. Why do you ban me for promoting health? lifestyle. Where I'm from in France, you American girls are massively overweight due to McDonald's. They have McDonald's in France, and while already being overweight, she eats in the stream.
Starting point is 00:59:17 Girls watching will think that that in public is okay. It's not okay to act like a hungry hippo in front of men. First of all, I don't understand this whole charade that some people have with calling people who aren't fat fat. And even if the person, person is fat, what does it concern you? Yeah, I don't understand that at all. But this, this seems like a toxic. Txic piece of shit. We won't tell them that, though, because we are kind and respectful here. No, I mean, so it's that, right, right. So if we, like, think about it, right, it's okay for us to have a reaction to what the person says. But then we also want to, like, acknowledge that that's a reaction and we don't have to give in to that reaction.
Starting point is 01:00:05 Right. But I mean, I do think that the person, first of all, doesn't seem. So I'm not sure that unbanting this, I think unbending this person will reinforce the wrong behavior because they're doubling down and they're unbending appeal, right? So she eats on stream. Like, that's totally fine. Like you're allowed to eat on stream. It's not against TOS. Girls watching this will think that eating like that in public is okay.
Starting point is 01:00:30 That's something that we want more of. Good job. Right. Like we want women to feel like it is acceptable to eat in public. Yes. And it's not okay to act like a hungry hippo in front of men. That is where I beg to disagree. I think you should act like a hungry hippo if you want to.
Starting point is 01:00:51 In front of men, in front of women. You can act like a hungry hippo if you're feeling a hungry hippo. And so I think that person stays banned. Agreed. Agreed. I just told him that I will eat whatever I want, whatever I want. your dad's dinner last night and I'll do it again. Hungry, hungry hippo.
Starting point is 01:01:10 I'll be all four hippos because there are four in that game. What is the dad's dinner? It's because I wrote, I ate your dad and I paused. And I kept type, it was for chats entertainment. Okay. I was kind of confused about what that meant, but I ate your dad's dinner. I just don't know. I got to say, Amaranth, I can't keep up with, honestly, like the stuff that worries me
Starting point is 01:01:37 the most is like sexual because some things that are sexual are just they're just so like you can't even connect the dots like when I first heard Coomer there's this thing called a main Coon cat right it's a kind of cat and that's just what I thought of humor C-O-O-M-E-R like to Coom it's like a I get it's like you took the spelling come I get you don't need to keep going I get I'm figured it out. I don't need that. Okay. I appreciate it, though. I mean, you know, because nine times out of ten, I'm going to need that level of detail.
Starting point is 01:02:16 This just happens to be the one one time where I'm able to connect the dots. But thank you, though. All right. Okay. Okay, so moving on. This next one, nice XQC clickbait, stupid whore. I'm not sure what this even meant. I don't understand what that means either.
Starting point is 01:02:37 I don't know. I didn't have XQC in my title, so I'm not sure. You know, calling you a horror is not okay. Right. Calling you stupid is not okay. Also, in their appeal reason, they said, I said it and I meant it. I feel like it's pretty fair. So they don't seem repentant at all.
Starting point is 01:02:56 They don't seem very apologetic. Yeah. So I think the person, you know, I'm not seeing any reason to unband them. No, I'm not either. And I don't think they expect to be unbanned, to be honest, from their opinion. deal. That's a really good insight. So to them, I'm just going to say, oh, which is so interesting, right? XQCL is all I will say. What does that mean? That's one of XQC's emo with a heart. I see. Yes. I'm just a little bit curious, though. If the person isn't expecting to get unbanned and you unbanned them, what would that do?
Starting point is 01:03:32 I'm not sure. What's your question? Well, maybe we'll find out on a different one. Okay, let's go. So. She's been streaming for eight hours. So it's wisdom tete. Wisdom tete. Yo, that dude that said it's heaven, just shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 01:03:54 I don't know what the context is here. Wait, is she getting held against her will? She said, I'm sorry in a whisper. Sounds like, it sounds like craziness. Something about Iowa. Not Iowa. Oh, maybe I was playing geogah. here.
Starting point is 01:04:11 That would make sense if I was playing geogessor. Yeah, so then it goes, I'm my head out. Good night. Send HEP. Dang, the only fans, downbads. Or only fans? I don't know what that means. Yeah, I don't know either.
Starting point is 01:04:31 It's crazy. Somebody asked for her OF, and I checked the links. I just stated down bad. Okay. So this means. is saying he's down bad, and I personally don't see an issue with that. I think that it's okay to be down bad. So I'm going to unbanned and say it's no crime to be horny.
Starting point is 01:04:52 I don't know what that what does down bad mean? Does that happen? Down bad means it's basically horny. It's basically, um, see, this is what I'm saying. Like, like down bad doesn't, there's no, there's no, down as a direction. Bad is the opposite of good. like I don't know where do people even come up with this yeah I don't I don't know but it sounds like you feel
Starting point is 01:05:16 okay that this is yeah I don't think they said anything toxic yeah I think they're okay okay okay yeah it's these days so be it exclamation mark social exclamation mark YouTube those are fine are your boobs fake robot got him and then he says hey if you guys are looking for Pokemon card giveaways check out polka Lucas very good deals now I don't think this should have been banned
Starting point is 01:05:42 I know why my mods timed it out because it is technically self-promotion of another stream but I think that could have just been a timeout and he seems fairly innocent so for that I think I will un-band what about the boobs fake comment I mean he's just curious
Starting point is 01:05:59 that there's no harm in being curious however maybe just chill interesting so can I just ask you about that for a second? About, about, about which part? About, about your response and the way that you handle people asking if the boobs are fake? Thank you. It's a compliment. I'm flattered. So do you, do you think that's an acceptable question? Like, what your personal threshold is,
Starting point is 01:06:29 it sounds like you're okay with it. I don't think it's appropriate to ask people that, but I also know online, people tend to gravitate towards the anonaut. aspects and feel way more bold than they do in person. And I don't think it's always ill intent. I think people often just word vomit what they're thinking in their minds without filtering it. Yeah, that's really interesting. I've never, most people I've talked to would be very, very offended by that. But, you know, it's really interesting to hear you sort of think about it almost as like curiosity because like I'm also like kind of wondering, right? So if I'm a 14-year-old kid on the internet, how on earth am I ever supposed to know what's real or fake?
Starting point is 01:07:15 And where do you learn that? True. Right? And if we're, you know, yeah. So that's really interesting. I'm going to have to really think about that a little bit more. But I really appreciate that perspective. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:30 I think it's normal. Cool. No worries. No worries. I think he's okay. Okay. Oh, this one is interesting. Shut the fuck up, you ugly bitch.
Starting point is 01:07:46 Suck my dick. And what we find interesting is the appeal. We'll get to a chat if you're AFK and just listening. You can suck my dick. Shut the fuck up. And then his appeal is, you wasn't talking to you. Um, what? So I don't know.
Starting point is 01:08:06 So this is the other problem with some of these is, you wasn't even talking to you, like the letter you. And then the problem is that I don't even know, is that a typo? Was it I wasn't talking to you? Like he wasn't talking to me? But then the other question is, well, who would he be talking to? Well, the other question is... Because you and the eye are right next to each other on the keyboard.
Starting point is 01:08:28 Right. So that's where, that's where, you know, is A ran a drink or is it a Nazi, is it a misspelled Nazi, you know, race kind of thing? Um, I, I don't know, though. I mean, even if they're not talking, so even if they're not talking to you, are we implying that saying this to someone else is okay? That's what I wonder. Like, I like how they just did not address the, uh, chat history at all as far as was it right or wrong. They just said, I wasn't talking to you.
Starting point is 01:09:05 Yeah. So then I guess the question is, do we want that kind of stuff? No. So I think that's what like, we're talking to. Yes. well said. That's not acceptable to say. Next.
Starting point is 01:09:25 Okay. So this person was banned in 2019. This is their chat history. You guys. Hey, what is this song? What is this song? How does it feel to be a stripper for 10-year-olds? And that was before I had the poll. So I don't know what they're talking about.
Starting point is 01:09:42 You are a stripper for 10-year-olds. You fucking weirdo. So you like stripping for kids. Trash. Go to my free cams. stop stripping for children. You fucking peto. They must be Irish,
Starting point is 01:09:53 because they speak just like just a minx. But you fucking. You fuken. You fuk. Okay. This is an interesting take, though. I always find it strange when people say, can't for 10-year-olds or whatever,
Starting point is 01:10:08 because all the 10-year-olds I know are watching Fortnite in Minecraft. So. Yeah, I don't think. 10-year-olds are usually pre-puberty-hills. It's around 12, 13, 14. Yeah. Yeah. Once again, like medically.
Starting point is 01:10:23 It's usually what hits. So his appeal is sorry. I didn't respect the hustle back when I made my previous comments. Now after seeing Amaran sold farts in a jar for $1,000, I must recant my previous statements. I don't have to like it, but I can respect it. How do you feel about that? I applaud them.
Starting point is 01:10:43 That's the best appeal I've seen all day. Why is that the best appeal? Because they respect it now. True. Thank you. I'm on Bandom. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. It's been a few years. Yeah. You apologized for his comments? Yeah. And you respect the hustle. Cool.
Starting point is 01:11:10 Yep. Regardless of your personal beliefs. Because he says, I don't have to like it, but I can respect it. Well said. Yeah. I really like how you, I would not have unpacked all of that that quickly. And out of 10 appeal. Amazing. I'm just curious, not going to ask about the farts for $1,000 in a jar, debating asking about it.
Starting point is 01:11:40 I can send you some jars for the novelty effect. You don't even have to open it. Just like to sit on your little shelf back there as a souvenir. So is one of our donation goals? No, no, no, no, no. This is for free, for free. No, no, I understand. No, let me finish.
Starting point is 01:12:03 So we were thinking about donation goals, like some donation goals. And one of the donation goals we came up with was chat gets to pick something that we put on our shelf. So like they get to add something. Like they get to pick something. Oh, I love that. And I was thinking like, oh, this is, this is the. Perfect. The perfect thing.
Starting point is 01:12:30 I've never seen the universe come together in so much synchronicity. Because I was thinking, like, what are they, well, like, what are they going to, like, are they going to do like a lotus or an orchid or like a set of prayer beads or maybe like an incense holder or like a little buddha? But I mean, it's kind of like an incense holder. Well, as long as we just don't tell anyone. Okay. I won't tell if you don't. That's fine.
Starting point is 01:13:00 That was hilarious, dude. That's brilliant. It is like an incense holder. Yeah. But of a, you know, a different kind of, you know, flammable fragrance. It's... Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fine.
Starting point is 01:13:14 Yeah, I'll just have to... Let me check with my wife first and then I'll, you know... Oh, of course, of course. But maybe it'll be fair as long as we send one for her office to. Oh, sure. Yeah, no problem. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:25 Easy. Easy. There we go. All right. Moving on. Okay. The person has a lot of chat. We're just going to start the more recent ones chat,
Starting point is 01:13:38 because if we read everyone's entire chat history, we'll never get through these. So this guy says, has anyone heard about Ukraine and Russia? And he just got timed out because we don't like politics or checks. It caused a lot of fights. And then he said,
Starting point is 01:13:52 hi, all you ever do is lick a mic. In dying, you banned him. I don't know. I'm not sure why. Oh, there's a mod comment. Let's see. ban evasion. Oh, he was ban evading, it seems.
Starting point is 01:14:06 Okay. Wait, how is he ban evading? Help me understand. Apparently, he had an account before that they realized because this is now his username and he's gone through the original, two, three, and now four. I see.
Starting point is 01:14:20 So DJ Sharper image three and two were the same incarnation of the same person. Yeah. Got it. Okay. So that's fair. Yeah. And also he seems to be negative towards the hustle.
Starting point is 01:14:35 So we don't like that here. We want acceptance and respect. Okay. I'm just going to deny him. I'm not going to type Y. Okay. So this next person, Royal Zephyr, says free health care. I assume he's making fun of America by the fact that it doesn't have it
Starting point is 01:14:57 because you're probably playing geogessor and talking about stuff. No, it's actually 2018. So it could have been anything. Who knows? Destroy all liberals, he said. Oh, wow. Says, yeah, I was going through a bin Shapiro phase. I don't know what that means.
Starting point is 01:15:16 I don't. I don't know either. I don't know what that. What does that mean by a Ben Shapiro phase? I'm actually going to, in this type of circumstances, I'll let Chad decide, but say what you want about it. I mean, Ben Shapiro is a conservative commentator, commenter, right? So, but I would assume. I don't know, but I don't know what that has to do with the free health care.
Starting point is 01:15:41 I mean, destroy all liberals, I think sounds violent. That, that too is the kind of thing where I don't know like how serious. I mean, I don't think they're serious, but like, how would you know? And, you know, does. Right. Right. I don't know. So what does your chat say?
Starting point is 01:16:03 My chat is voting currently to un-band. Chad, if you disagree, I encourage you to vote on the poll right now. This is one of the only times you will ever get to make a decision ever in my chat. So make sure that you vote right now, what you want his fate to be. Wow. Okay, now 51% say ban. 52%. Okay.
Starting point is 01:16:24 So someone in my chat is saying destroy usually means arguments. Oh, I don't know. Like destroying the argument? I don't know either. I don't know. Well, 54% say banned. So we will just deny because he's not contributing
Starting point is 01:16:41 anyways to chat. Okay. Okay. Whoops. What year was this? 2019. She's wearing the same clothes from yesterday?
Starting point is 01:16:57 You know, it probably was. Same clothes never went home. Lull. Those never went home. That means I was at in a thing. Are we doing, are we doing, um, Epan handler?
Starting point is 01:17:07 Yeah, yeah. Same clothing never went home. Simp's staring lull. Top tier donated there. She looks like an S-score. I mean, I probably did, to be honest. I mean, who's to say? I still don't.
Starting point is 01:17:19 But this is probably at Twitchcon, because he's saying security, bunch of nerds, lull. So, yeah, this is probably a Twitchcon stream. But his appeal is good. He says, yeah, I was a douche. Keep doing what you do. It works.
Starting point is 01:17:34 It's all right if you decide not to unbammy. I just want to apologize. Sorry. This was 2019. And he apologized. I think we can un-ban. Yeah, I think so. I think if it's, you know, three years later,
Starting point is 01:17:45 if he sort of recognizes that he was acting like an asshole. Yeah. Okay. So this is... Okay. Scorp zero. So suck my dick, please. He was timed out.
Starting point is 01:17:59 So we tried again the next day with a shockingly, suck my dick please again. And he got banned. And now his appeal chat is, I was just expressing my feelings. Dot, dot, dot, dot. well i mean i think that this is where we got to be careful about whether expressing your feelings is an excuse for saying things that are hurtful or um you know unacceptable yeah and i i i think
Starting point is 01:18:28 it's like something that people will do is sort of a cop out i don't think that he was actually i mean that sounds like a BS excuse to be but just while we're on the topic he did have one variety where when he said can i fuck you so we got a little bit variety from the c of suck my dick please. At least he uses please. Yeah, I guess so. It was hard for me to see that in with, you know, with all the other words involved. He is asking for consent technically with a please. But let's educate him though. I'm going to let him know women are like cats. Okay. By all means, educate me as well. Yes, yes, yes. Women are like cats.
Starting point is 01:19:16 If you ask them to do something, they don't want to. But also, probably not the best choice to say this to strangers. It comes off very entitled and creepy. Yeah, I feel like these people need some kind of basic course in like communicating with people. Like how to talk to other humans. I don't think they would read it is the issue. The people who need the help typically aren't aware of how much they need it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:54 I mean, I can see that. A lot of times people who are ignorant don't know they're ignorant. But something tells me that people who are behaving like this on the internet probably know that they're not great communicators, right? That's why they're here. Right. It's easier for them. Yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:20:16 Okay, next stop What year was this? This is Okay, so a few days ago April 27th So that's a nice new profile pick of Amaranth The captions are often mishearing what it said When you read the captions So we were watching the Johnny Depp Amber Hurd trial
Starting point is 01:20:32 And the live feed of it The caption was trying to match it And it wasn't doing a great job So that's what he's talking about there Let's see why he got banned We are all human I'm only human after all. Don't put the blame on me.
Starting point is 01:20:51 I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know either. Amaranth found the right outfit to wear. Yay, well delayed on mine, lull, great. That BS procrastinator almost an hour of time from you, wow. What kind of BS death threat letters or something? We are all human. He might just be crazy.
Starting point is 01:21:11 Because his appeal is a rag and bone man human. I don't know what that means either. I don't know what that means either. Oh, they're saying lyrics to a song. It's from a song. Oh, are these? We are all human. I'm only human after all.
Starting point is 01:21:28 And then he's saying the song here, maybe. Oh. See, I'll never understand the people that just, like, quote lyrics randomly with no context in a chat. Why was the person banned in the first place? Do you know? I think we just thought he was crazy because he was quoting lyrics out of context. And that we didn't know were lyrics. Okay.
Starting point is 01:21:48 I will give him, maybe he was vibing, you know, in his headphones, and he was just really feeling the moment. I'm going to say unband. I'm unband. I don't, if chat knows. I can sort of, I can sort of get behind that. Because, like, you know, sometimes you're just viving with a song and you're just singing out loud. And if I'm typing on the internet, I'll just, I've typed out song alerts before.
Starting point is 01:22:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's probably what it was. Oh, I'm banned. This person says, can you ban me, please? And because we don't like to get people what they want here, of course, mods just merely timed them out. Ban me. I just want you to ban me to see what it feels like when you get banned. He's been trying for a while, right? So he's been banned since July of last year, almost a year now.
Starting point is 01:22:32 And he says, very sorry for being annoying. I was passing through a bad moment and I would like to come back to the chat. Thanks for reading my silly message. English isn't my first language. Very sorry if I was spelling mistakes. Okay, I think that's fine. I think it's okay. Also, the first reason that they got banned was not that severe, right?
Starting point is 01:22:50 Right. They just, they wanted to be banned. Okay, that's fine. Sure. Um, nice booba, dead ass. Um, maybe this is a different language. Not sure. No, I think this is internet speak. Oh. Okay. Sorry, I have something to say more. It was just in that kind of mood. So I just started spamming in the chat. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:23:20 Oh, they're saying this is an Arab term. What is it? The, the, I don't know how to say it. N-I-K-M-O-K. It's a bad word, Arab, they said. Okay. I don't know how to. Arab.
Starting point is 01:23:36 What about the other stuff? Buba, nice bad. That's a normal chatter stuff. That's nice ass and boobah is pretty typical. Your, your boobes look like the anime ones. Okay. Thank you, I think. All right.
Starting point is 01:23:54 Um. Chat's saying it's a bad word, though, in Arab, so we're just going to deny. Okay. Moving on. It says, I hate men, and I hate women is the next person. I don't hate women. Also, do they hate men? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:24:20 I'm so confused. So we will deny and put question marks then. And, oh, I'll put quotation question marks. I'm so confused. and then quoted Dr. Kay. What about, what about, so they say, I don't hate women, but. You are us in there, I think you said. Is it, is it okay to hate men?
Starting point is 01:24:41 That's what my question was. Yeah. I don't think it's okay. I mean, you know, everyone has their own reasons, but I wouldn't say hate is worth it for anyone, regardless of gender, because hate, usually only it really affects the person having the hate. It's a very strong distracting emotion, right? Yeah, I don't think that your energy should be focused on hating people. I think if you don't like somebody, you should just remove them from your thoughts entirely or pray for them. That's very kind of you. It depends on the context.
Starting point is 01:25:24 Okay. Next up? Yep. Flavor. I don't know what, why was this band? I have no idea, but the guy just... This is probably a misclick, to be honest. I'm going to un-band. I think that was a misclick. Okay. Something about this particular word that looks suss is the name of Polish ice cream. I understand that you think I said the N-word. I'm not racist, so I'll never say that.
Starting point is 01:25:59 I'm also looking at some of the context. So it does look like they're talking in a separate language. Yes. And in this case, Google has this feature. And that's not always accurate. but I try. If you right click, it'll show translate to English as an option
Starting point is 01:26:14 in the little gray menu that pops up. So I'm going to try translating it to English. And it says, Bored as a prick, I get the fuck out of here. Okay. Also, it says, we, because the chick
Starting point is 01:26:34 here is about to fuck, and you are promoting the league. Okay, I'm even more confused than before. Yeah, so I did an image search for ice cream using the letters N-O-G-E-R. And it, it does appear to be an ice cream. Oh, okay. But.
Starting point is 01:27:01 So un-banned? Maybe. I don't know. That's what's kind of confusing is like, I don't know. I don't know, man. This is, I don't know how to understand this. I'm just a chat this side. In situations where we're unsure, I think chat can decide.
Starting point is 01:27:20 And then it's majority ruling here. So my chat is saying it's obviously knew what they were doing. No, don't unbaning. He's dodging TOS. Well, I would think that too, but he typed a few sentences of, I assume, Polish before, which makes me think like it's not just like a one word occurrence. Yeah. So that was, that's what I was kind of thinking too.
Starting point is 01:27:44 Or whatever. Is that like if I'm just like typing in. foreign language, then, but a lot of chat seems, a lot of chat seems to be, uh, convinced that they knew that they knew what they were doing. Chat, chat wants to ban them. Okay. Chat ruling. Good luck in the future. Okay. All right. Uh, this was 2019. They said, Womp, Womp, Wobbwobb Wobwab Wobwop Womp. Brickitka!
Starting point is 01:28:35 Then a dance game. That's my turtle. Someone pants are on fire. It's moin. Just look, it's got my name on it. Hmm, hmm, Hermione fantasies right now. Maybe I was cosplaying? Not sure. Give me my turtle. Oh, this might have been ASMR.
Starting point is 01:28:54 Don't believe. Oh, the crackling sound, pants are on fire. I probably was kind of like a fire crackle. And then I did cosplay Hermione's occasionally in AISMR. And then we also had a massage turtle little figure that I would tap. And this is also late at night judging by the timestamp. So I'm assuming most of this is responding to AISMR sounds. Because I don't believe your bigger excuse never made the letter B with your mouth.
Starting point is 01:29:20 What does that mean? Oh, that was some controversy when I had braces. I slurred words together and I mispronounced a sentence that had no racial context at all and people thought I said the N-word even though it didn't make sense at all. Yeah. So is, am I missing something? I don't understand what the, what the, I'm confused. There was like, people were clipping it out of context and we were talking about
Starting point is 01:29:48 Romane and Pocky in a grocery store being on the ethnic aisle. But because, and I said, they probably have that in bigger stores. And people thought, because of my slur, they thought the word ethnic. And then the bigger part of bigger was the N-word, even though we were talking about Asian food. So it made no sense. But people were still hung up about it. I see. So, I mean, is there something here that's bannable?
Starting point is 01:30:16 I'm confused. I think he was just getting caught up in the drama. But it was so long ago that I don't really care. And he doesn't remember. Don't believe your bigger excuse. I understand now. So they thought that you were intentionally using a racial slur and did not buy your excuse. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:34 I don't know. Is that banable? I think we can un-banned. I think it's stupid. Okay. All right. Let's see. Where is the lotion?
Starting point is 01:30:45 Not a great question. Probably on his desk, to be honest. Step on my marbles, you queen. Oh my gosh, I love you. And please step on my balls. Maybe that's been meant by marbles. and ruin my life. I love you so much.
Starting point is 01:30:59 I just want to feel the pain from you, mommy-wami-wami. That's cringe. Yeah, I don't know, man. This doesn't seem... I mean, I'm more concerned about this person than... I mean, I... Maybe it's just because we've been doing this for a little while, or I'm starting to get kind of numb in my mind.
Starting point is 01:31:26 Oh, yeah, that happens after a while. that's what like how do you do with that um yeah it's difficult sometimes for sure i think that's part of that i know our last talk in 2020 i said i feel like i'm losing my personality reading chat so much this is that's a little bit of what i mean it just built up over years you know that numb feeling yeah it's better now i don't even know how to so when i look at this like there's a part like i'm like operating on instinct here i'm not at the very beginning when we were looking at appeals, I was like really, really thoughtful and like looking at each sentence and looking at which letters were capitalized and which ones weren't and like trying to understand
Starting point is 01:32:08 age and, you know, reading into things. And at this point, it's just like, you know, when I see wampy, wampy, wompe wababab, wabah, it's like, I don't know how many, you know, is Aaran, did they mean to say Aryan? Who knows? You know, like, there was a lot of like, I just feel like my mind is getting fried. Like, I don't know. I mean, Are we going through all these? No, no, no, no. Because, I mean, this person sounds like they just need help, like, which doesn't mean that they shouldn't, which doesn't mean that they shouldn't stay banned, right? Right, right, right.
Starting point is 01:32:47 Like, just because you need help doesn't mean that you can't do things that are hurtful to people or behave in an unacceptable manner. But, you know, like, I'm kind of concerned about this person. like I've worked with some people who have strange fetishes and kinks and things like that and you know sometimes like that comes from a place of psychological hurt or trauma have you ever had clients with a ball crushing fetish where do that come from yeah did they say where that comes from for education so I think no I mean I think it's actually like a good question like it it's not I mean I'm not trolling when you ask the question for educational purposes.
Starting point is 01:33:29 I recognize that could sometimes be used as like a troll kind of comment. Like, explain to us what Coombe is, Ameranth for education. No. But so I think a lot of times people, so it can be a couple of different things. One is we have a sense of self-worth,
Starting point is 01:33:47 which we want to see and feel heard and noticed. But so like if you think about a sexual relationship to feel like to be seen, and heard and accepted and noticed for who you are is related to intimacy, right? And so to be vulnerable. And so, but if what I am is something that is like pathetic, I also want people to see me as pathetic. And so sometimes I can get tangled up into sexuality. The other thing to remember is that like what the mind or the brain finds arousing can be heavily shaped. So for example, like, you know, in cultures where like particular body parts are covered,
Starting point is 01:34:36 those body parts can be sexual pieces, right? So can be sexually arising. But there are other parts of the world where like different body parts are covered. And those parts of the body aren't like inherently sexual. So the other thing is just we get conditioned to think that certain things are sexual. And that's where, you know, the worst case is sometimes you'll have kind of traumatic. experiences that are sexual in nature, which will also, like, get kind of get crosswired in the brain to where people will be, like, aroused by that kind of situation.
Starting point is 01:35:08 The point is that it's complicated and no one really knows, or at least I don't. But I've worked with people like that. And I think that's where, you know, I think some of it, some of it gets better. But then the other thing is that we did a stream many months ago about BDSM and just how that's probably like, just like a normal variant. But there's not a whole lot of research into that. But it does appear that some of that stuff is like just a normal variant of sexuality. Hmm.
Starting point is 01:35:40 Did they ever say how they get fetishes when you have like, I guess, consultations with clients? No. It is what it is. Yeah. So people don't get a fetish. They have a fetish. Right? So it's not like they can trace it back.
Starting point is 01:35:57 I mean, you may be able to. Some psychologists or psychiatrists may hypothesize that we can trace it back to like, this is the point that, you know, the fetish began. But I think oftentimes, you know, the mind is like more complicated than like this is the moment. Like if we think about who we are and what we like, it's not single moments. It's constellations of experience. But I think there's just something that sometimes is like arousing about being denigrated to people. And then some people also will literally somehow use pain as like something gets wired
Starting point is 01:36:32 to where that becomes sexually arousing or somewhat of an erogenous zone. Interesting case. I once had someone who was, had a partial amputation. So the interesting thing is our brain has a map of our body called the somatosensory cortex. And so if you look at like how much of our brain is devoted to the middle of our back, it's not very much versus our hands and feet are like huge. huge. Right. Which is why we're so sensitive there. The interesting thing is if you lose a part of your body,
Starting point is 01:37:02 sometimes that part of your brain can move to a different part of your body. And so it happened that this person would get sexually aroused by the touching of their stump. Because like the part that was their genitals, like took over that part of their body. Sorry, took over that part of their brain that used to be their arm. Huh. So then you can sort of look at some of these. these other kinds of fetishes and things like that that involve things like stumps. And so there may be some kind of neurological hypothesis there.
Starting point is 01:37:38 That's super interesting. Yeah. I'm just trying to, it feels weird to say, but honestly, it's not, I'm not trying to be risque. Yeah, no, no. I get it. It's just the body is weird. Sexuality is weird. It's highly individual.
Starting point is 01:37:53 It's highly personalized. And we don't really understand how it works. most of the time, to be honest. Yeah, I've heard that a lot of time people who have a foot fetish comes from the placement in the brain where controlling your feet is right next to the sexual arousal section, and they, like, get crossed a bit for some people. Yeah, so I also saw something else, which I don't know how real this is, but that the neurons from your feet and the neurons, especially for women,
Starting point is 01:38:22 which I don't know if this is, like, factually correct or not. I mean, I saw something about it in a textbook around science, but sometimes they can be wrong. So our neurons each have a sheath or covering. So if you think about like a cord, right, it's got like an insulation. And if cords weren't insulated, signal could transmit from one cord to the next cord. And that's something, there's somewhere in the spinal cord or spinal tracts where there's a lack of myelination. So there's a lack of insulation between feet and some of the genital regions. So the signal from one can kind of jump into the other.
Starting point is 01:38:54 But based on what I read, that's more in the, I mean, it's part of the central nervous system, but it's like not in the brain. It's like in our spinal cord and some of our more peripheral nerves around the sacrum. So like some of our general nerves and nerves from our feet, they all enter in the tailbone. So they like all enter the spinal cords. There could be some kind of unmalination where a signal can jump. Now that doesn't have anything to do with people being aroused by feet. that is more about the physical sensation. Right.
Starting point is 01:39:27 Well, I guess what I'm referring to is people who are aroused by other people's feet. But we do have a possible anatomical explanation of why a foot can be an erogenous zone, if that makes sense. Right. That's so crazy. Yeah, sorry if that's. The mind is weird. Yeah, dude. That's not even the mind.
Starting point is 01:39:47 That's just the nervous system. The mind is just... Then we add psychology on top, and it, you know, just becomes something completely different. Wow. Anyway. And are you going to be leading us through a meditation today? Yes, yes, yes.
Starting point is 01:40:02 Should we do a couple more? We can do maybe like three more, then we can do some meditation. Sounds awesome. Let's do it. Yeah. I'm very excited about the meditation, by the way. Thank you so much for offering me.
Starting point is 01:40:15 We're going to be charging our lasers, chat. Okay, let's do it. Thought you were cooler, never coming back, bye. You try really hard. Why you try? So try so hard. And then I'm not sure what they were talking about, but I banned them because they were annoying and weird. And then he says, please, in his appeal.
Starting point is 01:40:37 I'm confused. What did this person do that was banable? They were just annoying me. Okay. Okay. It's your chat. I said they were never coming back, so I just helped them not come back. But here they are coming back.
Starting point is 01:40:53 So I guess it didn't work. Yeah. What? Interesting. I don't, I mean, if, you know, I think it's your chat and you get to do what you want there. Generally speaking, I'm trying to be. Welcome back. I knew he'd be back. Okay.
Starting point is 01:41:21 That's a nice pair. God bless us all. Wow. More about the nice pair. Hey, sweet lips is a nice pair you got there. Man, for a month. That's all they could focus. on. This broad better show her chest soon. He's been waiting like three months, or I'm changing the channel. Broad better unband me soon, or I'm changing the channel. Okay. So that's what a, that's a
Starting point is 01:41:52 threat to stop watching your stream. I guess. There's a lot here that feels inappropriate to me. It just feels very disrespectful. Oh yeah. Also like sweet lips is That's what irks me the most. Which one? The phrase sweet lips. Yeah, it just sounds. That sounds weird. It's like a, it gives me the image of like a 60 year old man just like hitting on women in a bar calling them weird things like sweet lips.
Starting point is 01:42:27 Yeah. Yeah. 50s pickup line. Yeah. Broad also. Yeah. Broad. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:35 What is that even? know it means a woman, but where does that even come from? Like, I don't understand. I'm not sure where the expression broad comes from. That's a good question. Broad, women definition, or I don't know slang. I don't even know what to search for. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:42:58 I don't know how reputable urban dictionary is. A term originated in the 1930s, derived from the fact that the most defining characteristics of all females are their hips which are proportionally wider than the hips of male counterparts. Look at those broads. I don't know if that is accurate. One person...
Starting point is 01:43:24 I believe this one more. A butcher's term for a slab of meat with a hole in it. Men use it to classify women. One person from my chat is... I'll leave that one more. That sounds more accurate. Broad is from the German Brout, which means bride.
Starting point is 01:43:39 There's lots of different... Who knows? I don't know. So different opinions it looks like. But this person is this broad better unbanned me sooner. I'm changing the channel. Go for it. Change the channel.
Starting point is 01:43:59 They're not unbanned that. Okay. Okay, last one. Then we'll do some meditation. This one I don't understand. Ola, what has happened? I hope we can see her nips like the middle one. And I'm like, what do you think I have three tits?
Starting point is 01:44:16 What's happening? The middle one? I'm back. Hello, Amaranth. Hope you've had a good day. You're crying. Hate chats that go so fast you can't even read anything. Wow, imagine having a girl in your life this dramatic. If you're actually sad, turn off your stream and go take care of yourself.
Starting point is 01:44:36 I was just playing. Oh, sorry, y'all can't see that. Wow. Total recall. I don't know. There was three. I don't think there was three people. This is not my collab day.
Starting point is 01:44:50 I don't know. But what is... Yeah, I don't... I mean, I assume that the person is being mean when they say, if you're actually sad, turn off your stream and go take care of yourself, or are they actually, you know, saying like, you should...
Starting point is 01:45:08 Like, I can see that being interpreted two ways. One is like, you should, you know, take a mental health day and don't stream. And... But also, like, the wow, imagine having a growing life is dramatic. Yeah, that doesn't sound. I don't know if you're aware, but, you know, women are more emotional than men, so, I mean, on average, we have all these hormones.
Starting point is 01:45:31 And cycles. Let's see. I'm mostly confused about hope we can see her nips like the middle one. I don't know what that means. Well, so sometimes people, I think, can have theoretically, I mean, this is something that I saw in a James Bond movie, so I don't know if this is medically. accurate or not, but people may have a third nipple. Oh. But I don't necessarily think it means you have a third breast.
Starting point is 01:46:02 And also it's from a James Bond movie, so I don't even know if that's a real thing. Can you have a third nipple without having a third breast? I never seen one. I have two nipples and I have no breasts. So it's possible to have a nipple without a breast. But I don't know about three. I have no idea. And there are rare cases of men being able to lactate.
Starting point is 01:46:28 If you're a man who's lactating, you should definitely go see a doctor. Wait, that's not normal? No, it's not normal. It's a sign of potential cancer. Oh. If you have a man who's lactating. I thought it was just a category on the hub. Okay.
Starting point is 01:46:44 What does that mean a category on the hub? The orange YouTube. The P-Hub. Okay. I got a positive. Just using lots of phrase I don't understand. But yeah, no, oh, that's disturbing. I just think, no, there's a thing.
Starting point is 01:47:05 There's a kind of brain tumor called a prolactinoma. That's not good. In which a part of our brain starts secreting prolactin, which is prolactin, which is the hormone that people who are pregnant, I mean, starts to increase in pregnancy and then after you have a child, like that's what causes, you know, because people don't lactate all the time, right, even if you have breasts and you're a woman. So it's the presence of prolactin that does it. If you have a prolactinoma, sometimes you can get, and there's a ton of prolactin in your body even as a male, you'll start to like differentiate some and start to lactate a little bit. So you should get that checked out if you're doing that as a man as a public health advisory.
Starting point is 01:47:43 That's not a troll or a joke or anything like that. Okay. It's actually terrifying because it's so embarrassing of a problem that people are like, will never you know Yeah they're embarrassed to go the doctor for it because it's like
Starting point is 01:47:57 oh my God I'm a man and yeah that's scary yeah good news is it's very operable very easy to remove
Starting point is 01:48:05 tends to not metastasize or get bad or anything like that you can just take it out yeah that's good got a good prognosis so go get it checked out okay
Starting point is 01:48:14 I let him know I don't know about the third nipple though that's yeah I don't know about that one um Yeah, I think maybe I'm just looking at the next one and I'm okay calling it right here. Yeah, no, we're good. We're good. We can move on. This is just one of those that, I don't know, man.
Starting point is 01:48:40 I feel like we need like good, like mentorship. Honestly, it's a very, it's just a lot of sexual words. It's just not. And what are we going to do with these people on the internet? I don't know. We have to figure something out. You know, it's, I just hope they stay on the internet and don't harass women like this in real life. Well, I mean, yeah, that's a victory of sorts.
Starting point is 01:49:18 But it's just like I can't think that they're, you know, I mean, it's like, I don't know. I mean, harassing women in real life is certainly probably worse than harassing women on the internet, but it's not like harassing women on the internet. You're great, yeah. Okay. Can you link your meditation here?
Starting point is 01:49:42 I'm not logged into Twitter. Okay. No, let me do this real quick. Hold on. Okay. I will send this to- We're going to charge our lasers together. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:50:00 Do you have, I'm going to message you on Discord, okay? Okay. Do you have access to that? We're going to be using your little finger today, chat. So get them ready. Get them primed. use your Twitch Prime for free. Can you access that?
Starting point is 01:50:20 Let me check. Yes. Awesome. So today, this is fantastic. I'm so glad you're doing this because I get to meditate and I get to be led through meditation. Oh, great. Found some meditation music. Do you like music when you meditate or do you like silence?
Starting point is 01:50:48 I will sometimes listen to music before I meditate to kind of get me in the mood. So in the preparatory phase of meditation and then once the actual meditation, begins, then I will not listen to music. Gotcha. Okay. So which one is your favorite out of these? So they're of different lengths. So you can do charging the laser beam if you want to, but I think you're a very good,
Starting point is 01:51:20 I think the ASMR stuff that you do is like really cool. So I think actually the space one is like a more visualization heavy one, which I think that does a lot better with a guide. so charging the laser beam is something you can kind of do on your own. The space one is kind of long, though. The space, I don't look at the space one yet. I just saw the middle finger and I was like, yeah.
Starting point is 01:51:47 Okay, we can do the middle finger one then. That's actually one of my personal favorites. It's one of the practices that I did a lot because it opens up your Agna Chakra, which is your third eye. A lot. It's a big word. It's two words, but yeah. Oh.
Starting point is 01:52:04 Agnya is the first word. That means... Oh, that's spelled. A-J-N-A or A-G-N-A. But there's like a letter that we don't really have in English, which is like a nya. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a G-Y-N.
Starting point is 01:52:23 G-Y-N. That's like a vagina doctor, right? Huh? No, well, yeah, gyn. So actually, it's probably G-N-Y is about. better way to not nya it comes from the throat it's like nya yeah yeah in the chat little anime emotes yeah okay so let's read what this says chat okay so in this practice we will use our middle finger to activate a third eye do you have a preference of which hand for the middle
Starting point is 01:53:04 finger uh dominant less dominant okay yeah So to start this practice off chat, close your eyes and sit up straight. I can't close my eyes and read, so you guys close your eyes. Curl in all your fingers, except the middle finger. Hover it over the center of your eyebrows. Does that mean in the middle? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:53:30 You don't want the finger to touch. Just hover it right above. If you don't feel anything, you can move your finger a little bit closer. Try to find the sensation. Some people describe it as a warmth or pressure or charging your laser beam. Hover your finger for another 10 to 15 seconds. Now go ahead and relax your hand. Let your eyes remain closed and focus on the same spot in your forehead.
Starting point is 01:54:12 You may notice a bit of sensation right at your forehead. Now what I want you to do is to drive all of your attention into that point. Put all your concentration and focus in your forehead. into that point between your eyebrows. If you're having trouble feeling anything, you can even gaze at that point with your eyes closed. How does that work?
Starting point is 01:54:37 So, do you want to try doing it so you get a sense of how it works? Does that mean like with your eyes closed, cross your eyes or like what? Yeah, sort of. So this is what I would say, close your eyes.
Starting point is 01:54:52 So take your middle finger and point it towards that area. So I would lift up your wrists some so you're pointing directly because you're pointing up right there you go oh see see right so do you feel something kind of in the middle of your forehead mm-hmm mm-hmm what does it feel like to you like anticipation a little bit okay so just focus on that feeling for about 10 seconds good it's a good breath. Now go ahead and relax your hand. Let it come down. Keep your eyes closed. And then just focus on that part of your eyebrow. I mean, not eyebrow, but the space between your eyebrows. Do you still feel
Starting point is 01:55:45 something there? Not as strong. It's like fading. Yep. Good. So like try to hold on to it. So if you want to, you can even bring your middle finger up again to like reinvigorate, like almost like blowing coals, like, you know, blowing it, uh, using a fan on embers. So you looks like it's just a tiny bit off center. But if you're going on feel, that's fine. Yeah. There you go. There you go.
Starting point is 01:56:21 And then once that feeling is very noticeable, it may feel like a warmth. It may feel like a pressure. Anticipation is also a good word. So just like reinvigorate that feeling. And then when you're ready, go ahead and relax. And now focus on that part. the space between your two eyebrows. And then if you want to, you can sort of like,
Starting point is 01:56:47 if you notice with your eyes closed, there's kind of like a screen of blackness in front of your eyes. I think those are my eyelids. Exactly. And so if you visualize like where that point is between your eyebrows, it's kind of like not really in the center, but a little bit above the center of your, the screen of blackness of your eyelids.
Starting point is 01:57:08 is that if it doesn't make sense don't worry about it i think so and so you can like look at that point and if you concentrate on that point as if you're quote unquote looking at it you may notice the sensation is more present or stronger and what i want you to do is just push your attention into it like just put all of your focus into that point how are you feeling what do you experiencing right now? It's like, I can see like this, like it's like a darker spot in between. Yep, good. And I'm just wondering like, does it move if my pupils move or is it actually fixed?
Starting point is 01:58:18 Good. So those are all questions that you can answer through experience, right? So you can try to move your eyes around if you'd like. But keep your concentration on. that point. Mm-hmm. And what do you discover? I think it does move.
Starting point is 01:58:36 Okay. So then what we can do is if it moves with your eyes, then where you put your eyes will put the point in the right spot. We can control where it is through your eye movement. Mm-hmm. Did you lose all sensation from your forehead? I have no idea. So go back.
Starting point is 01:58:59 Good. Go back to focusing on it. So you learn something that's wonderful. Can you find it again? Yeah. Good. So now just focus on that. So try to keep your spine straight, but relax your shoulders a little bit.
Starting point is 01:59:22 Take a big, deep breath. Excellent. Beautiful. So as you exhale, just let your shoulders kind of hang down. Like imagine like your body is just on a hanger and your spine is straight and it's supporting the entire weight of your body. and as you breathe and exhale, you can let everything relax. Your spine is going to keep you nice and upright.
Starting point is 01:59:52 There are a lot of things that you have to worry about, a lot of things that you're concerned about, a lot of decisions you have to make. You're concerned about your horse. You have to figure out who to ban and who not to ban. Very taxing. It is taxing. You have a lot going to.
Starting point is 02:00:12 on and feel how much of the world you support on your shoulders. But for this moment, all of that weight is being transmitted through your spine and into the chair and into the earth. The ground supports you, and you can let your shoulders rest. With each inhalation, you're going to feel your body move. and expand, and with each exhalation, you can relax. So now slow down that exhalation. Two to three seconds for an inhalation, and six, seven, eight, nine seconds for the exhalation.
Starting point is 02:01:03 Slow, slow, slow, slow, slow, slow, slow. That for these few moments, the entire world that surrounds Amaranth can be set aside. all of it will come back when you open your eyes but for these few moments you have peace there's just blackness there's just you there's the weight of your body and you're going to let
Starting point is 02:01:34 the world that you carry on your shoulders down for a few minutes you've earned that much at least so bask in it enjoy it you want to hang out here for a little bit or are you ready to come back I'm going to come back to my eyelid inches so bright now
Starting point is 02:02:19 yeah there's so much there's so much light yeah it's weird huh it is weird a lot to focus on
Starting point is 02:02:29 when you're trying not to focus on anything yeah well said that's like trying to time the breathing trying to find the spot trying to relax the body
Starting point is 02:02:42 yeah I was getting the sense that maybe we were trying a little bit too hard but I was trying to focus on just breathing and just let your shoulders. Like there's a lot of tension. You really do carry a lot.
Starting point is 02:02:57 Oh, yeah. I also just have fucked up stuff. So. I don't know what that means. My muscles. My muscles are very tense. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:03:07 So I know we talked about charging the laser beam, but I'd say that, you know, yoga and especially like that muscle tension around the shoulders is like you carry it. You have such a strong mind. that the stress and the tension will live in the muscles. So it's amazing how many people, I have no idea about what's going on with you. But what I've seen time and time and time again
Starting point is 02:03:33 is that the stronger someone's mind is, the more they carry in their body. It makes sense. Because you just, you know, you'll do whatever needs to be done. And your body will hold everything, that you can't for you. And it holds it is energy.
Starting point is 02:03:53 It's excess energy that you haven't been able to vent. So I'd say, yeah. Have you done Suria Namaskar? It's a kind of yoga before? No. I would highly recommend it. How do you spell that?
Starting point is 02:04:11 S-U-R-Y-A. And then N-A-M-A-S-K-A-R. It's also called the sun salutation. Oh, I do those all the time. Okay. Good. Then you're doing, you do it a lot? Does it help? Yeah, I mean, yeah, almost daily sometimes every other day. And when you do it, how often, how much time do you do it for, like for one round?
Starting point is 02:04:43 Probably just a few minutes. So one recommendation that I would have is pose, not the starting pose, but the first pose in the second pose that you go to or poses number two and three so when your arms are above your head and then when you're hanging down I would spend like 30 to 60 seconds in each of those and the rest of it you can do in like three minutes yeah for those two poses like this and this when you're bending down touching your toes yeah and what you want to do is like reach as high as you can reach reach reach reach reach reach reach reach reach reach and then when you're touching your toes let yourself hang with each exhalation, I want you to go like further down, like let your body just
Starting point is 02:05:27 hang, let gravity pull you down towards your toes. Right. So when I do that, usually it's like, I'm trying to pop my lower back and so I'm like pulling like this kind of thing. No, no, no. So hanging is difficult because my arms are so long. Yeah. So, so when you're trying to pull your back, I mean, when you're trying to pop your back, that's not relaxation. That's actually tension. So I saw you put your hands behind your knees and then you were pulling. So let your head hang down. Let your arms hang. That's good. So put your feet together. Touching. Ancles touching. Okay. Legs straight. Knees straight. There you go. So as you as you lock the knees and keep them straight, let your head head hang down.
Starting point is 02:06:21 Not back, head. So where does the back go? Yeah, you can bend your back, but just let your head hang. Just feel the weight. There you go. Now just, I know it's kind of weird. It doesn't look like it's great form. Yeah, good.
Starting point is 02:06:35 Straighten the knees and then just sit there like that. Like, feel it in your shoulders and feel it in the back of your neck. You feel that? Not really. I feel like I'd have to go to go to the platform because my arms are kind of like. Yeah, that's interesting. Hmm. But when you let your head hang, does it hang?
Starting point is 02:07:01 I don't know. Good question. So I think... Like, I don't feel anything in my neck. Yeah, but does it... You're not tensing it, right? It looks like it's hanging. Yeah, I think that's good.
Starting point is 02:07:13 Back on my knees are tight. But my head's tight. Yeah, so I think you're actually going to have to focus on the knees and then your head will hang better. I know it's kind of weird. But that looks... That looks good. Like this to hear. Yep, yep.
Starting point is 02:07:30 It's going to be your hamstrings. Yeah. Right? So you'll feel it in your hamstrings for sure, which is okay. Mm-hmm. Don't rock. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:07:45 Just feel that tension. And then when you're ready, you can come back up and arms above your head. Namaste position. Yes. Let your, uh, let your biceps touch your ears. Good. Close your eyes. Reach up. Up, up, up, up. Good. Now, do you feel that kind of like right in your, what is that? Your trapezius? I feel it more here. Okay. So, so, yeah, just let me. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Muscle. Good. So close your eyes and breathe. Wonderful. So hold that for like 20 seconds. And now go back.
Starting point is 02:08:47 down. So touch your toes. You can also, if your, if your hands, if you're, there you go. And what you did is naturally is perfect. You figured it out. So now you're trying to place your palms flat on the ground, which is what you should be doing. Make sure you, if you need to come up a little bit, you can, especially if you feel tightness in the hamstring. But now close your eyes and breathe into this position. Breathe into it. Let your body do as you breathe in and out, your body will naturally adopt small changes, especially with the exhalation. So just let it happen.
Starting point is 02:09:30 Don't try to do it. Good. So go ahead and come on back up. Come back to, yeah, so up, and then you can come down to a must-day position. Which position? Oh. Right? And then so just close your eyes for a second.
Starting point is 02:09:59 Take a second to breathe. And I would kind of acknowledge that you have a lot, but also give gratitude and recognize that you're like capable of whatever life throws at you, right? That you're strong. Your body supports you. Your mind is powerful. You have a powerful force of will, which even though you have a lot on your plate, you're going to be able to handle.
Starting point is 02:10:35 And give thanks for that. Wonderful. Is this the right arm position? Sure. You can go up a little bit if it's tense. Up meaning you can put your, yeah, there you go, if that feels better. And put your fingers together. Mm-hmm. Yeah, like that. Great. How long is supposed to hold that for? You can be done whenever you're ready to be done. You're a pro, Amaranth. Oh, thank you. Yeah, it's, I think, yeah. Did that feel?
Starting point is 02:11:25 I mean, I don't know where you felt, you felt tightness where I was not expecting you to feel tightness, but, you know, I think that a lot of that stuff, because it's clear that you are flexible and you do stretch and stuff like that. But really, a lot of people don't realize that that second posture, you are doing it right the second time, which is that your palms should be flat on the ground. Oh, all right. And people don't, because most people aren't that flexible. So what we tell people do is touch their toes. Do you think that tightness could be from sitting?
Starting point is 02:11:56 Because the knees are always bent when you're sitting. And they just kind of get used to that position. Yeah. So it's due to sitting, certainly. But also like our hamstrings, certainly. But even if you walk a fair amount, your hamstrings can still be tight like that. because it's just behind the knees. It's not like the upper hamstrings.
Starting point is 02:12:19 It's definitely like above and below and right behind the knee. That's not your hamstring then. That's like you're not sartorious. I'm rusty on anatomy. But if it's right behind the knee, then that's something else. Hmm. Let me, I'm kind of curious now. I wonder, do I have my anatomy textbook here?
Starting point is 02:12:42 No. No, I do. Hold on. One second. Do you have a second? Yeah. Anybody else chat? It's like here to here. Yeah. Let me tell you. So we have a
Starting point is 02:13:03 Netters and Atlas of Human Anatomy, which is rusty for sure, because I don't use this much as a psychiatrist. Also, though, you'd be surprised at how much I do use it. Because I think there's a lot. So head and neck, back, and spinal cord, pelvis and peridium lower limb Let's look at the knee plates 506 to 512
Starting point is 02:13:28 So let's figure out where you're tight nerves of the hip and buttuck We don't want nerves of the posture thigh Cross section of the leg Here we go Knee lateral and medial views So it could be your plantaris
Starting point is 02:13:54 Is it on the inside or the outside Um, it's like right in the middle, so I don't know. So if it's right in the middle, that's your gastronomius, maybe. The gastro. Both legs, too. So it's like equal on both legs. Show me, can you point to it with one finger? It's like here. Yeah, that looks like, well, your gastronymias is, you know, like right, so move further down the leg towards your foot.
Starting point is 02:14:24 Yeah. So like, you know, if you feel around there, there's, there's, actually two, I'm pointing to it, you can't see. Yeah. So there's like two muscles on either side of where you're pointing, right? Can you feel that? So that's your gastronomias right there. So it's, it's in between the gastronomium. So that may be a ligament. I mean, it may be a ligament. Where's an orthopod when you need one? Or physical therapist. I'll have to look into that. But yeah, so that right there is your biceps femurus. So I see like an indention too above the knee like here.
Starting point is 02:14:59 Yeah, that's because you've got like, that's your biceps femurus muscle, I think. Okay. So I'm not quite sure. So then actually what you need to do is actually a different ascent entirely. Yeah. So it's, so when you pull your, it's that's what you need to do. So when you hold on a second. I don't know if you guys can see this.
Starting point is 02:15:19 So what you can do is if you pull your toes back. Does that, I can't hear. you but yeah I mean that's always been tight when I do that yeah so that's what you want to do so you want to touch your toes and lift up your toes there you go and then the other thing that you can do is this have you done this awesome take your right leg put it over your other leg yeah I do that all the time and does that well that's not it just my back that's gonna be for your back actually yeah so I I'm not I don't usually do those kinds of ascent, but I think it's like, the other thing that you can do is
Starting point is 02:16:04 go up against, so you can stand up against a wall and flex your foot. So you can do, I don't know how to demonstrate this, but so, but you have to turn around and put your, and put your toes on the wall, but your heel on the ground. You know, heel on the ground, but toes on the wall. Like this? Yes. Oh. I don't like doing anything there. Huh?
Starting point is 02:16:37 It doesn't really feel like anything. No, but you have to raise your toes up. So you can like flex your... I wish I can't explain it. But... I could... Yeah, this is just... This is a fail.
Starting point is 02:16:55 Kind of. It's hard. So if your ankle... If this is your ankle... And this is your foot. You want it at this angle against the wall is over here. So like, we'll pretend that this box is. Yep.
Starting point is 02:17:13 So it's like this? Yes. Okay. Yes. At the same time or one foot at a time? And then what you want to do is move forward. So like with your body, as you move forward, it'll increase that stretch. Does that make sense?
Starting point is 02:17:30 Yeah, I think so. Right? So you should feel it in your calf. Yeah. and right below the knee and you'll stretch out that ligament and then if you have your other foot back but if you move your other foot forward
Starting point is 02:17:42 don't hop never hop when you're stretching never hop and never wiggle that's how you're going to pull something there you go perfect can you feel that yeah just do those forget about the yoga
Starting point is 02:17:59 okay if I find a good awesome I'll DM you or something but I'd have to do a little bit of research. Yeah, that is interesting. Because that's probably why I have trouble keeping my foot in the stirrup of the saddle with correct form,
Starting point is 02:18:18 because you're supposed to have your heels down. So it's at the same angle. Like you're riding like this. Yep. Because it's tight there. So that makes sense. Yeah. Cool.
Starting point is 02:18:31 Any last thoughts or questions before we wrap up for the day? Oh. What do you think about chiropractors? Do you think, do you, believe in them? So I think chiropractic has some data to support it. I think that there's a high degree of variability in clinical outcomes for different chiropractors. So good chiropractors are very different from bad chiropractors. And what I do feel pretty confident about is that many
Starting point is 02:19:03 chiropractors claim that they can treat a lot more than the data suggests that they can. But I've just had too many patients who have had the science behind chiropractic is not great, but I've had too many patients that have had very, very positive outcomes from chiropractic to where I think there's something of value there. It's just really hard to tell what is and what is it. Okay. I actually am scheduling a chiropractor appointment with like a YouTube chiropractor. That'll be at the end of May and she's going to put it on her YouTube.
Starting point is 02:19:40 So if you wanted to watch it after, I can send it to you. You can watch with your stream. Yeah. I mean, and I'd love to hear just what your experiences, like in terms of like whether it's good or not good or helps or doesn't help. I think she does a better job, I think, than just like popping stuff into place because she actually like looks at the muscles and like massages them too on the spot before realignment, which I think is much better than a lot of them that just pop you for 10 minutes and then you're out of the office. Yeah. So I think one of the big complaints against. chiropractic that I've heard from physical therapists is that physical therapy will so you can get
Starting point is 02:20:17 adjustments or whatever the what do they call it um minute not manipulations that's osteopathy i forget what the what the term that they uses but but one of the criticisms i've heard of chiropractic that's given by physical therapist is that a physical therapist will teach you how to strengthen the muscles so that you don't need to be regularly popped into place. Yeah. And that's a more sustainable solution. There's very, very good evidence behind physical therapy, whereas chiropractic is like more mixed.
Starting point is 02:20:51 Right. But, you know, I'd love, I think it, I've certainly seen them help some people a lot, especially with musculoskeletal issues. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think a lot of them don't address the muscular tightness that is making your spine be out of alignment. Exactly. That's oftentimes what happens, but we'll see. Yeah. Are you going to be streaming still, or are you done?
Starting point is 02:21:19 I'll be streaming after this, yeah. Okay, so I'll wrap up and then we'll just head your way for a raid, but thank you very much. Yeah, this was really fun. Yeah. How did you enjoy the band appeals? I enjoyed them a lot at the beginning, and then I think it's just like, I'm very, um, It just seems to be a lot that you have to kind of numb yourself against. Yeah, that's actually my exact feeling every time I do it. I start off being like, this is interesting. And then like 30 minutes into it, I'm like, this is disappointing.
Starting point is 02:21:56 Yeah. Yeah, it's a same feeling, I think. Yeah. It's like draining. It is. It is. And so I'm sure you get better at it. Like I remember when I first started doing therapy, it also felt very draining.
Starting point is 02:22:07 And now you kind of get good at it and you enjoy it. But I think that that's also where, I mean, like, this, it feels so one way, like, in terms of ban appeals. Like, at least in therapy, like, sure, it's emotionally draining, but you're, like, working with someone. And you guys are, like, making progress together. And there's, like, positivity that comes after the negativity. Whereas with band-a-pe-like, I don't know where's the positivity at the, like, where's the end of the rainbow, you know? Right. And it also is just making me realize, like, I don't know what's happening on the internet, but I think, like,
Starting point is 02:22:39 people need education or help or something. I don't know what they need. But we had so many questions about what makes someone do this. And like, I don't know if we have an answer. But I think we need to find out. And then we need to like address it, which could include punishment, could include education, could include forgiveness. You know, I think it's like all options.
Starting point is 02:23:00 But, you know, how did you enjoy it? I had the same feelings you did, I think. Are there other like therapists or psychologists who use Twitch and stream like you do? I'm sure there are other therapists or psychologists who are on Twitch. I don't know if they do what we do. Yeah, it'd be interesting just to like have different assessments of my ban appeals. Yeah. I think I've had guys to review them and they're like, what is this?
Starting point is 02:23:31 Like guy streamers just don't understand the stuff that girls get. Yeah. Kind of eye opening. in a shocking way, yeah. Yeah. Do you think there will ever be a solution, or is it just education and holding each other accountable on the internet? I mean, I think that's a big part of the solution, but I do think, I do believe these things can get better. And I think that part of the hopelessness that things can't get better is I don't see a whole lot of concerted effort at trying.
Starting point is 02:24:03 Right. Right. So that's where, I mean, I was at the game developers' conference. conference in San Francisco a couple weeks ago. And even if you look at Twitch, for example, so Twitch has wonderful functionality to mute people and ban people, but it doesn't have a built-in functionality to provide like positive reinforcement quite as robustly as it does for like bans, right? So what we're seeing in technology is that it's really easy to ban people, but educating people encouraging positive behavior is more difficult. So Twitch even has some features
Starting point is 02:24:35 there that I think are moving in the right direction, like stuff like featured chat and stuff like that where you can like highlight positivity. Yeah, I think that's cool. And I think a better solution, but I know Twitch is a business, so they would never do this. But in theory, I think it would be cool if a user has gotten banned in like five or more chats, let's say on Twitch, maybe they're just IP gets banned in general from the whole site. But I know they would never do that because money. But I think that would be a way to actually combat it. Otherwise, it was to make a new. account? Yeah, so my experience working with corporations is that they don't seem to be quite as corporate as people think they are like, oh, they'll never do this because money. Like my experience,
Starting point is 02:25:17 even working with Twitch has been that like they, I tend to have a more positive view. But I think the bigger issue is not banning an IP. The bigger issue is like, what are they going to do to encourage positive behavior? Right. So that's where, like, I think that's what's missing. There's a vacuum of like all we have is punishment. But how is like the main question that I had for a lot of these people, which I think we talked about is how does this person get feedback on how to behave? Because when you ban them and you don't un-b like, you know, if they're like, and they're just going to go home resentful. And then they'll show up. Havelob would be a better method.
Starting point is 02:25:52 It's finding out how do we do that effectively. Yeah. So like you can absolutely punish bad behavior. But what I see on the internet is that we've learned how to punish way more quickly than we've learned how to like, support or encourage positive behavior. And you see that in parenting as a whole, right? So like a hundred years ago, it was like spankings, belts and like whatever. Like, you know, there was like, there was this positive reinforcement, lovy wavy stuff is like, and now if you look at, you know, books on parenting and stuff like that, it's all about love and positive reinforcement. We see
Starting point is 02:26:23 that positive reinforcement changes behavior better. But like the internet is sort of following the history of parenting where we're learning how to punish. We're developing very sophisticated tools for punishment, but in terms of positive reinforcement, things are lagging behind. Yeah, I think something Twitch could do, but it would take some designing is if they had a, like a whole tier of like several different emotes that you couldn't access unless a streamer or like a mod or a VIP from a chat, like gave you like a gold star on your account. And then you can unlock an emote. The more gold stars you get, the more exclusive emotes you have, something like that to encourage it.
Starting point is 02:27:00 So I think if people start actually. actually doing that and put that in their habit of chatting, then subconsciously, like, they would actually just become a more positive chatter, even if they're faking it until they make it. Well, so there's also evidence that shows that faking it until you make it actually does change internal behavior. So there's data that shows that punishing people does not give them an internal moral compass. Positive reinforcement is how people develop an internal moral compass. You can learn to follow the rules through punishments, but it won't change your,
Starting point is 02:27:32 internal, like, what is right and what is wrong. We're taught what is right and what is wrong through positive things. Right. But the good news is, I mean, I think people are exploring this stuff, right? So they did have me at GDC, which is like, so game developers were really curious about like, what can we do in our game that's substantial that encourages positive behavior. And so I think if we try, like, I mean, we're pretty good. Like, humans are pretty good when we put our mind to something. And I just don't think we've tried. We haven't given it our all yet. at. So I'm actually pretty hopeful. Yeah. I think there's definitely room for improvement. I wonder if they'll actually ever take
Starting point is 02:28:09 streamers advice for changing the community in that kind of way. That'd be really interesting. I mean, I feel like they've been pretty open to hearing what we've had to say. But I think that we may have a little bit of luck there or not luck, but we may, you know, a lot of what we say to Twitch is also backed by science and stuff. But I think if you have suggestions and stuff. I don't know. I'm curious about that. I just have to think a little bit about that. But my experience with Twitch has been pretty positive in terms of how responsive they are to feedback. Okay. And I'm way smaller than you are. So you're also more brand safe though. But, you know, after the show, I'm rebranding. So hopefully using the game show I'm doing as a way
Starting point is 02:28:54 to kind of launch a rebranding because I feel like that'll bring in a lot more mainstream audience who either haven't seen me because they're in other people's communities or giving me a chance for a second time because the show is actually going to be really hype. So hopefully I can keep some of them by changing into a more brand safe. And I don't like the fact that like I kind of feel like I am saying that, I don't know, like there's something wrong with sexuality and cleavage, but at the same time, you know, it is what it is.
Starting point is 02:29:27 And I think that rebranding is actually just better long term. for my goals. I kind of have to go with the state of reality sometimes. Yeah. So, I mean, Amaranth, what I really appreciate about you is that I don't think you're black and white about these things. I think you're kind of like nuanced about it, right? There are advantages and disadvantages and there's something to be said for pushing the envelope and like, and also for like playing by the rules. So I think if everyone plays by the rules, then we don't really ever get progress. Right. And at the same time, progress can be dangerous, being on the frontier is a dangerous place.
Starting point is 02:30:06 And something that I really appreciate about what you do, and especially hearing your thought process on ban appeals and especially the comment about, you know, are they fake? Like, I think that that kind of stuff has really given me a new perspective, which I really appreciate. And I think you're doing some really awesome work by just like trying to figure out and redefine, like what's okay, what's not okay? Like, what are you willing to do? what are you not willing to do? How do you draw boundaries? Because we all say, right, that, oh, like, women should be able to, you know, body positivity
Starting point is 02:30:36 and feminism, you should be able to do whatever we want to. But we also, we may say that, but we don't stop judging people. Right. That's true. We create a double standard where we say one thing and we actually treat people like a different way. And that's challenging. And so I applaud you for being right on that frontier, which I imagine has advantages and also, like, you know, puts you in the line of fire.
Starting point is 02:30:59 a la the ban appeals that we saw today where people are like you know sending a lot of toxicity your way so it's tough yeah it's really interesting how um i guess maybe more common in america i don't know if europe's as prudish because you know american culture was based on puritan values and stuff it's just interesting how we seem to still have this stigma around like female body parts even if they're not doing anything sexual just like the presence of them seems to be a little taboo still. Like the undertones, even if I'm just having a conversation, it's like because I have cleavage, it might be deemed inappropriate, even though children literally suck on titties for nourishment. And that's considered wholesome. So it's really weird how like adults view it
Starting point is 02:31:46 as the sexual thing. And kids don't even view it as that. But because the adults are putting such taboo things on it, kids start to do them differently. Like younger than I feel like they should be. It's so weird. There is a ton of social commentary there, not really my area of expertise, but I'm with you. And I think that that's like, oh, man, there's just so much to talk about there in terms of how do we develop. So there's this subset of psychoanalysis called object relations, which is like, I'm a human and there's an object, right? And how do I relate to this object? How do I think about it?
Starting point is 02:32:24 Is it okay? Is it not okay? Do I judge it? Do I like it? Do I dislike it? And I think if you look at, like, how we relate to breasts, you know, is like very, like, a lot goes into that. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:32:37 And I even sort of notice, it's interesting to see my own reactions to like, now I have two daughters. So how that's changing my perspective and what kind of conditioning I never realized I had. But, you know, I think it's interesting. And, you know, I think maybe we can talk later. but I don't know how women navigate the world when it's unclear what the rules are, right? It's almost like ban appeals where like no one tells you what the rules are, but you could just get banned or canceled or whatever for doing something. You know, or you can get judged or you can be successful.
Starting point is 02:33:17 Or like I just don't know how you navigate this world. Yeah. It's really confusing to me. It is. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. One of those things where I guess is what it is.
Starting point is 02:33:30 It just is one of those things in society where it is what it is. Yeah. And also it doesn't have to be. Right. Yeah. I think that's the tricky thing. But thanks for doing this. I thought it was educational.
Starting point is 02:33:47 And good luck on your show. And best luck to luck to you. Oh, thank you. Yeah, this was fun. Yeah, take care. You too. Okay. So we, I just had one thing that I wanted to share with y'all.
Starting point is 02:34:03 So we had a couple of questions. So that was fun, first of all. Interesting. More taxing than I expected it to be. I think, you know, when we did our ban appeals, like we actually interacted with the people, which I think is a little bit more challenging in the Amherent's case. But, you know, I think it's like, I don't know the answers to this stuff. And I don't know that I'm ever going to know the answers.
Starting point is 02:34:28 And that's where, like, I really think, I really hope that y'all can figure this stuff out. Right. So I'm going to do what I can for the Internet and I'm going to do what I can for y'all. But ultimately, like, these problems that we talked about today, like toxicity on the Internet and, you know, what's appropriate to show in terms of cleavage or not cleavage or whatever, like these are kinds of issues. that we need y'all to fix because we can't do it all, right? So this is where like if we really want to change society, if we really want to accept people, if we really want to understand people, if we really want to educate people, and even if you all disagree with like some of the things that Amaran said or I said, and you want to educate us, other people have to step up and do it
Starting point is 02:35:13 too. And so I think it's like, you know, like this is too much for us to handle. But, like, thankfully, it's not just us, right? So streamers have a content creators have a platform. So there's like, we have a voice that reaches more people and potentially you have. But it doesn't have to be that way forever. And so I encourage each and every one of you, if, you know, if you think that some behavior is inappropriate to, like, do what you can in a safe and respectful and, like, compassionate way to correct it, you also for you to think about your own behavior. and how you relate to other people and recognize that other people are like,
Starting point is 02:35:58 you know, the people on the internet that you play against in your games or the streamers that you watch, right? They're human beings that have thoughts and feelings and hopes and dreams. And even though they may like have thick skin or act a particular way,
Starting point is 02:36:17 it doesn't mean that they don't have feelings and that it doesn't hurt. And sometimes I think that like people on the internet feel like they're insignificant but that hasn't been my experience at all. And that you have a lot of power at your disposal. Like, you really do. And comments can mean a lot to people, right?
Starting point is 02:36:35 Like positive comments, negative comments, like you can affect people.

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