Heart Starts Pounding: Horrors, Hauntings, and Mysteries - 106. Staying In The Most Haunted Airbnb in Salem (Feat. Two Girls One Ghost)

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

In part one of our series, I chat with Corinne and Sabrina from the Two Girls One Ghost podcast from inside the most haunted Airbnb in Salem, Massachusetts, The Henry Derby House. We talk about the dark history of the house, how it was involved in the Salem Witch Trials, and the entities people have reported seeing inside. In part two, posted to their feed, we spend the night ghost hunting in the house.  Subscribe on Patreon for bonus content and to become a member of our Rogue Detecting Society (this months bonus episode is on Abandoned Places). Patrons have access to bonus content as well as other perks. And members of our High Council on Patreon have access to our after-show called Footnotes, where I share my case file with our producer, Matt. Apple subscriptions are now live! Get access to bonus episodes and more when you subscribe on Apple Podcasts. Follow on Tik Tok and Instagram for a daily dose of horror. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome back to Heart Starts Pounding. I'm your host, Kayla Moore, and today I have a very special episode for you all. So last November, I spent one of, if not the most terrifying nights of my life inside of the most haunted Airbnb in Salem, Massachusetts with Corinne and Sabrina from the Two Girls, One Ghost podcast. I'm sharing part one of our two part series today, where we go over the dark history of the Henry Derby house where we stayed, its connections to the infamous witch trials and executions. And in this episode, we also chat about the entities people have encountered inside. That will set the stage for part two, where we do an overnight ghost hunt inside

of the house. And you guys, it gets wild. That's gonna be shared on the two girls, one ghost feed tomorrow, February 25th. And I'll include links to listen in the description as soon as that's live. And I will just add here that not only did we contact something in the house, but I think we may have completed

some unfinished business for a ghost. And I'm not even kidding. I'm so excited for you to see it. It was one of the craziest experiences of my life and I'm actually still getting goosebumps as I tell you about it. So here's what I want from you guys. If you catch anything in these episodes, maybe you heard something or saw something if you're watching on YouTube that we didn't notice.

Or maybe there's something about the history of the house that helps make the ghost hunt make more sense. Please let me know. And if you are a regular Two Girls, One Ghost listener visiting us today, welcome. Our community for the Darkly Curious gathers here in the study of the Rogue Detecting Society every Wednesday. And we love guests as much as we love ghosts. So please make yourself at home. Just watch out for our cursed monkey, Gordie. But for now, please enjoy part one. We're sitting here in the Henry Derby house. I will say this is the first time

I've ever recorded in a haunted house. Like I've been... And Salem, Massachusetts, no less. It's the perfect place for like my first time. Yeah. I think it's the first time we're recording a full episode in a haunted. Yeah, wait, you're right.

We've recorded from a haunted hotel before. Oh, which one? Actually in Austin, the Driscoll. The Driscoll. Okay, let's go over what we're gonna be doing here so everyone knows. So we're in this haunted Airbnb because we're gonna stay here tonight

and we're gonna try to contact stuff. Ghosts. Stuff. Stuff. Whatever's here, it could be demonic. I don't know. So we'll get into it, but I know there's like stuff here that's maybe not ghosts. I've never done a full blown ghost hunt with all the equipment and everything, so I'm so glad you guys brought stuff. I'm scared that by talking about it, we're gonna start conjuring things in the room, which is like usually how it goes, right? Yeah. Yeah. So after we do our ghost hunt,

I am staying the night in this Airbnb with my mother. And Kryn and I are like, bye. We're driving home to our own beds. My house is haunted though too. So is mine. You're going to your own ghosts. Oh yeah, we all have ghosts at home. Yeah.

These ones are. These ones are new. So we don't know what we're getting into, but basically we're gonna do this ghost hunt. The whole ghost hunt is gonna be available on your YouTube channel or in your podcast as well, Two Girls, One Ghost. I mean, do you wanna give a little overview?

I know a lot of my listeners listen to your show, but do you wanna give a little bit of an overview of the show for people who don't know? SHANNON COFFEY-GROVE-TALENTINE-SKILLER-SKILLER-SKILLER Sure. It's called Two Girls, One Ghost, because we do cover a lot of ghost stories. But we really cover anything in the macabre and weird. So we love Bigfoot, Alien Abductions, all of that kind of weird and fun and spooky sort of vibe.

And that's how we became friends in college. We met, I shared a fun fact about myself in Intro to Theater, which I shouldn't have shared. Like, it's not a way to make friends, but apparently it worked. My fun fact was I grew up in a haunted house. That's so fun. Yeah, Sabrina was like,

-"Oh my God, me too." -"She attracted the right type." Or wrong type, I don't know. It's worked out. I mean, I felt like I grew up in a haunted house also, so I think I would have also. Yeah, you would have. Yeah, we would have been a trio then. Yeah. So on your show, you cover lots of ghosts and the whole ghost hunt is going to live

on your feed. And today on Heart Shards Pounding, what we're going to do is I want to talk about the history of this house. Yeah. Because I think it's going to scare us even more being here. You guys are going to talk a little bit about like the ghost sightings that people have had in the house and then for the full experience they can go over to your feed.

So I'm excited. We'll put together a good sizzle reel. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And just to also clarify for your listeners, so our typical episodes, we have two episodes that come out every single week. One is filled with stories that listeners submit of their own haunting tales.

And the other one is researched. So we research a place like this and talk about the history, the mystery of the hauntings. And then we have more recently started dabbling and actually like doing in-person ghost hunts. So we have a few kind of special different episodes. Is there one that people should go to first if they want to get like a good vibe of the show?

Well, if you'd like to listen on YouTube, there is an episode we covered about, I can't remember the specific number, but we covered objects in the Greg and Dana Newkirk Haunted Objects Museum that haunted us and a lot of our listeners. Yeah, listening to the episode, a lot of people started to experience something of their own, which happens a lot.

We won't know what episode will start to trigger things, but there'll be a specific episode we'll put out, and within that week, we'll just get flooded with emails being like, I listened to this episode, and all of this happened. Peggy the doll episode is a two-parter that if you want to get haunted, highly recommend those.

And the Smurl possession, that's another one that really got people haunted. The what? The Smurl possession. Oh, you should look into that. Oh, my God. Is that one going to haunt me if I listen to it? Um, I don't know.

Fingers crossed, if I'm lucky. If you're lucky! But if you want to check out just the audio, our most haunted episode is episode 12. It's called Dominus. And it was early days of podcasting, so, like, give us a break. Yeah. Be patient.

It's the listener story specifically at the end of the episode. We highly recommend not driving while listening. That's all we'll say. Whoa, okay. Wow. Some of my listeners can't listen to my show while they drive, because I included, like, sirens and car crashes as sound effects.

And a lot of the earlier episodes, and people were like, hey, can you stop doing that? And I was like, I did not even think about that. It's like that one Rihanna song that has the sirens in the background. I think all the time. It's on the radio and you're like, oh my God, what's happening? Am I getting pulled over? Yeah.

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to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com slash HSP. So we're in the Henry Derby house, which is situated in Salem directly across the street from the Broad Street Cemetery. And this house was built in 1838, which was 150 years after the Salem Witch Trials that Salem is known for.

And though it was built so long afterwards, the history of the house is still incredibly intertwined in the witch trials. Like, there's a lot of overlap, which I'm gonna get into. Well, sorry. No, no, no, yeah. You and I walked through Broad Street Cemetery before this, and you mentioned, one, that there's so many unmarked graves. And two, that people today, still while walking,

will fall into graves. Like, literally the ground will cave through, cave in, and people will fall. So that's like a big part of Broad Street Cemetery, it's the most dangerous cemetery in Salem right now. Because there's so many underground tombs and there's not really walking paths. So they're actually afraid that people are gonna start

falling through the ground into the tombs. So it'll probably be closed within the next, what'd they say, like 10, 15 years. Isn't that terrifying? Could you imagine? Truly something I didn't think would be a problem walking through something. I never thought.

You know, like you go over super greats and you wonder if it's just gonna be a little too loose and you're gonna drop. Yeah, but now... Never thought about like falling into some old geezer's casket. Yeah. But it makes me wonder if there were any like unmarked graves

on the land that this house now stands on. Yeah, there definitely are. I might talk about it a little more in the research, but back in the day, it was very common to be buried on your property. And so a lot of the witches, why they don't know where the witches were, or the women who were accused of witchcraft, exactly where they're buried,

is a lot of their bodies were most likely taken back to their homes. And so that's basically made all of Salem a big graveyard because everyone has bones on their land of the people that lived there. I wanna bring that back. Me too, kind of. I love the idea of like a, like on the land, family cemetery.

Yeah. I actually love what they do in New Orleans where they just put the whole family in one big tomb, and then it's so hot, it kind of like cooks everyone down. You get melded together. You make like a big family stew. You're all melded together. Your bones get like mixed up.

There's something romantic about like that good soup. Yeah. So who was Henry who lived in this house? Henry was... Maybe you've seen like around that everything's named Derby. There's Derby Square, Derby Street. There's like a Derby. The Derby, I think, is a restaurant.

The Derby is a restaurant. Well, that's actually Henry's uncle. Henry's uncle was Elias Derby, who was a ship merchant and like the first millionaire in America, which I, how cool. Had no idea. Also back then, which is like a billionaire now. I mean, I don't know math, which is like a billionaire now. Jesus, I mean, I don't know math,

but probably a lot of money. Into shippery. And we should have lived back then. Oh my gosh, the shipping business. If you got into shippery back then, you would be rich for generations, as is evidenced by this house, because they were rich for generations.

Fun fact, but his biggest ship, Elias Derby's biggest ship is actually the ship that's on the Old Spice. It's the logo. No way! That is so cool. That is so cool. So that's a Salem ship, so you can tell everyone.

That's why I love Old Spice. Every time we walk through CBS, fun fact. Yeah, fun fact. Everyone's going to love that you bring that up all the time, as I've been doing since I've been here. So, okay, so Henry had this house built because he was a little bit of an epo baby. He came from a really rich family.

But he himself was a tailor, so he like made his own money too. But I will say, when he had this house built, he probably didn't know exactly like the cursed nature of this area that he was building the house on. And that's because this house is built on something called the Judge's Line. Have you heard of this area that he was building the house on. And that's because this house is built on something called the Judge's Line. Have you heard of this before? No. This is really interesting.

I found this from a tour guide in Salem who talked about it. And then I looked it up and there were, like, a few other people online that were talking about it. But the Judge's Line is one of the scariest things I've ever heard of. Oh, my God. And it's basically you can draw a line on a map through Salem and hit most of the points

that were involved in the Salem witch trials. How very astro cartography. Yes, and it gets like really bizarre because if you draw a straight line, you start at the home of Alice Parker, who was accused of witchcraft and she was hanged in the trials. And then it continues through where Thomas Beadle's tavern was,

which is where some of the witch trial inquests happened. And then it hits the witch house, the famous witch house of Salem, which is where Judge Corwin lived, who was the man who sentenced the accused witches to death. And then it goes through his nephew's home, which was George Corwin, who was another Nepo baby of, he was the nephew of the judge. But he was the one who signed all the arrest.

I mean, you guys have come to Salem so much. I'm sorry I'm mansplaining this to you, but my audience is gonna want to know. A good refresher. Yeah, just a little refresher. It's been so long since we've done a tour or even researched it. Yeah. So this isher. Yeah, just a little refresher. It's been so long since we've done a tour or even researched it. Yeah.

So this is great. Okay, so you know the Joshua Ward house, which is where George Corwin lived. So the line goes through there, and then it comes down through Essex Street, which is where all the witches, all the women accused of witchcraft, were carted down towards the gallows, and then it hits Proctor's Ledge,

which is where the executions happened. Whoa. I hate this because it feels like it was predetermined, all of these people's fates or involvement. That idea that it was kind of like written out, like written in the stars. What is fate? Yeah. Yeah, that you can like, one of the first people accused in the witch trials and it ends at the gallows

is really... Ugh, that's so unsettling. Really eerie. And so some people who are more inclined to believe in the spooky supernatural, think it's a ley line, like there's some sort of energy that runs through this area that is very bad and negative and dark. And we are right on the cusp of that line

that runs through the town. So this land that we're on is part of that procession. Well, so far, I haven't felt anything weird. The third floor is creepy, but... Yeah. When you first came out here, Sabrina, and you were spending time in Marblehead and getting to know the area,

the second you crossed over the line into Salem, you felt that. And that was closer to where Procter's Ledge is. So, I live in Marblehead, which you and your mom visited, but I was there for Little Riders Retreat by myself, and truly, it was so magical, and I walked the path that goes from Marblehead to Salem. And I didn't even notice that the sign that says,

Welcome to Salem was right there, because I instantly felt a shift, and it was different. And I noticed the sign was right there. And I was like, wow, that's weird. And then every time I've gone back and forth, you do kind of feel a difference. Yeah, there's a lot of pockets of energy buzzing throughout this town. I mean, there must have been a reason that it happened in Salem, instead of, like, happening all over the country,

like, all these witch trials. Like, there is something specific to Salem. Which is why it all happened here. It's really spooky. And so I have here that maybe our guy, Henry, didn't know that that's what was going on with the land when he built the house. But what he probably did know, may have known was that during the witch trials, this land that we're on now was Corwin land,

belonging to the two most evil people involved in the witch trials that I just brought up're on now was Corwin land, belonging to the two most evil people involved in the witch trials that I just brought up. And so, how do we know this is Corwin land? Well, their houses are two blocks away, and their bodies are across the street in the Broad Street Cemetery. And back in the day, like I said, it was more common to be buried on your property.

So, the cemetery across the street actually, like, butts up right onto Corwin land. So, when they died, it made sense that they were just buried, like, basically on the edge of their property. And it also makes sense that two rich people would kind of shake hands and be like, yeah, sure, you can purchase some of my property off of me. Yeah.

I'm gonna be very honest. The second you mentioned and said the Corwin... were like the two evil people, or the evil people involved, I got lightheaded. Like, it almost felt like instantly, like, don't evil people, or the evil people involved, I got lightheaded. Like, it almost felt like instantly, like, don't talk about me that way. Sabrina's psychic abilities are starting to unlock. It came out in her horror photo too.

I have been opening myself up a lot more. I don't like, I wouldn't say I'm a psychic at all, but like... Well, you don't know yet. That's true, I don't know. You can get it your first download here. I'm gonna have my That's So Raven moment on this episode.

Oh, my God, the vision. Um, is that something that you are in tune with? I mean, I've definitely, I feel like I've always picked up on energies and I have had experiences before. But ever since, like, moving here and living in my own haunted house, I've just been trying to connect a lot more. Yeah. What does that look like?

Um, Oracle cards. I have a pendulum that a listener sent us. And I brought him. His name's Daniel. There's a spirit attached to it. The pendulum isn't Daniel, but the spirit attached to the pendulum is Daniel. And I brought him. We'll talk to him tonight. And then kind of just like, a lot of connecting to my ancestors. Mm. Wow.

Yeah. That's really interesting. Okay, so, and you're getting a read on Corwin. Yeah. Like, my... I've felt lightheaded and like heavy. It's like, it's... This is weird for me. Like, simultaneously, I feel felt lightheaded and like heavy. It's like, it's... This is weird for me. Like, simultaneously, I feel like lightheaded and my energy is lifting, but then I feel heaviness on my shoulders.

Interesting. That's kind of weird you say that, because I felt that a little bit earlier today, and I was actually wondering if I was having a migraine, because it was like this weird, not out of body, but do you ever get like, like I get weird migraines where I kind of feel like I'm outside my body, but like my limbs get heavy.

So I was like worried that I was having a migraine. So it's actually kind of strange to hear you like bring up that exact sensation. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm feeling. Whoa. And it's getting like worse and worse right now. And I made you go to the grave. Did you feel anything when I brought you over to the grave?

No, I didn't feel anything in the grave. Huh. Yeah, when we weren't really talking about it. But I was really focusing on how to use that camera. Yeah. You're like, I have to get good photos or good images. And not falling into it. And not falling in. Yeah. That's... Okay, well, that's really interesting. Um, well, so it's interesting to note,

if you need me to stop talking about them too, I will absolutely shut up. No, you can talk about them. I'll just like... You'll just see me like... We're on a couch. I'm relaxing. So it's interesting to note, if you need me to stop talking about them too, I will absolutely shut up. No, you can talk about them. I'll just like... You'll just see me like... -"We're on a couch." -"I'm relaxing." You can pass out here.

You're like astral projecting outside your body because I brought it up so much. Um... Kind of cool. Cat on camera. Okay, I'll keep talking about it. So one of the core wins, George, when he died... So he died when he was 30,

and this was a few years after the trials, he was like 25 during the witch trials. He was the most hated man in Salem, because it seems like the public opinion on the witch trials really soured after they happened, and people here were pretty upset that that occurred in Salem. Which is so interesting too, because the witch trials kind of trickled many decades after with certain people's beliefs and different hangings

happening outside of Salem. But I'm glad that most people didn't agree with that. Maybe it was just a counter movement that was upset, but there was enough people that were so mad at George Corwin that when he died when he was 30, they thought that a mob was gonna come steal his body and like rip it apart. So they hid him in the Joshua Ward house,

which is right around the corner, in the basement for years. And then, like under the cover of night, on a night just like this, they brought him across the street and they buried him with his uncle in that grave. I did not know that at the time. So that's also very spooky.

And so I say all of that to say that the area that this house was built on has a very dark past. And that's why so many of the ghost stories we hear about this area in this house tend to be related to the witch trials. I'm guessing that that's why so many people have experiences in this house. It's potentially on a cursed ley line.

It's surrounded on all sides by the bad guys from the witch trials, but that's on the outside, right? We don't have any evidence that anything from the witch trials happened in the house. The house itself was built 150 years after the witch trials, so it shouldn't really have any ties to it, you would think. But you would think wrong. Because even though this house was built in 1838, by 1842, it had exchanged hands and was sold to Ebenezer Putnam.

And does the name Putnam ring any bells? Like Sarah Putnam? Anne Putnam. Anna Putnam. Yeah, Anne Putnam. I feel like there's a Sarah Putnam in Marblehead. Maybe that's what it is. Anne Putnam was one of the accused witches, right? Accusers.

Oh, she was the accuser. Yeah, so outside of the Corwins, probably the most evil family involved in the witch trials were the Putnams. And they were a big family with a huge legacy in Salem. And they, I mean, were so prevalent that even in the 1830s and 1840s, like Ebenezer was buying this mansion in town

because he had a lot of money. So, people may recognize the name Ann Putnam because she was the 12-year-old girl that was one of the primary accusers in the Salem witch trials. She pointed her finger at 62 people and claimed that they were witches and she accused 18 of the 20 people who were executed.

She is the biggest reason that people... I do a sociopath. A sociopath. And it's funny because I actually have a note from my friend Megan who helped me research this episode and Megan goes, okay, okay, before we vilify this girl, keep in mind that she was 12 when she pointed fingers and sent a bunch of people to their deaths. She was rich and she was very privileged,

but research also suggests that she was maybe being abused by her parents. Also, weren't there Puritan, and I feel like a lot of the things you hear about the Salem witch trials, and when people try to theorize, like, what caused such hysteria, is this idea of, like, the Puritan lifestyle was very... Like, for children, there was not much exploration and... Yeah, it was very cold.

Yes, that's a good way to put it. Like, they didn't have any other outlets of where to channel that creative energy. And, like, imagination, maybe. That makes a lot of sense, actually. Because a lot of what they were experiencing was kind of like imagination. They were seeing... Like, Anne kept accusing women of being...

Like, she would see people on their brooms at night, flying across the sky, like, really classic witch stuff. Or she would see apparitions. And that was, for whatever reason, during the witch trials, like, that was admissible in court. Was, like... Visions that you had of these people. And it led to, I cannot believe, 18 of the 20 people. And Anne's father, Thomas Putnam,

was one of the primary instigators of complaints against the alleged witches in Salem. For this reason, he's been identified by several key historians, including Paul Boyer and Steven Neisenbaum, of being a chief agitator and manipulator of the testimonies of both his daughter and his wife and Putnam Senior. Evidence indicates that many of those who were afflicted

or gave testimony against the accused witches were connected to the Putnam family, either by ties of kinship or faction. So, everyone that was accusing people, even if it wasn't his own daughter, like, had ties to this family, which really makes them the most evil people at the time.

And most influential. Yeah, it makes me wonder what the motivator was. You know, like, what did his daughter get as a reward or some sort of security, maybe, that she kept on accusing. Like, what did other people... Or just to hear that your dad's proud of you. Like, I imagine if it was an abusive household,

like, I could imagine she would do, like, anything for his praise, you know, like, you know, but... And attention, like, the amount of attention that she got from it. And then it also triggered a bunch of other people to accuse. And then once someone else does, you kind of all just build on it. And then you start to wonder, like,

did I make that up or is this actually happening? Right. And you start to get lost in your own lives. You're not gonna say, like, oh, I made it up and that's why all these people died, so you kind of like double down on it. Yeah, you try to convince yourself of what you said. Yeah, exactly. But that kind of got me thinking that if there were spirits

around Salem that wanted to make sure nothing like the witch trials ever happened again, they would be keeping a close eye on both the Putnams and the Corwins, both of which have ties to this house. That's a cool... I like that as an idea. Yeah, like this is... Everyone's just kind of like keeping an eye to make sure like nothing's gonna happen again. No funny business.

No funny business. No mass murders. No more mass murders, guys. gonna happen again. No funny business. No funny business. No mass murders. No more mass murders, guys. Please, for the love of God. He's still a little human. It's interesting to know Ebenezer also died in this house, so there's a chance that he's still here. Right in this spot.

On this couch. He felt the pressure on his shoulders, his head got a little light, and he drifted off this world. Never to wake again. He was, like, feeling something on his head got a little light, and he... -...drifted off this world. -...never to wake again. He was, like, feeling something on his head. Mm-hmm. Unfortunately, a few of the people who lived in this house did die in this house we found.

Which was very normal for the time. It's very normal. There weren't hospitals to go to. You didn't go to the hospital, you just died at home. People were born in their home and died in their home. Yes. Exactly. Burthing rooms exist all over the houses in this area. A birthing, like a whole room just for birthing? Yes.

They were usually these kind of small nooks off of the main living space or off of one of the bedrooms. And different women and basically like doulas would come over and help deliver children into their home. Which also meant a lot of, because childbirth caused a lot of deaths at that time. Like, either the child dying or the mother. There's probably so many deaths related to that.

I read that between five and 10% of women died in childbirth before, like, modern medicine. It was scary. It was a lot. I know at one point, they... If you were pregnant, they made you write a will. Like, that's how common it was to die. So you had to get your affairs in order at, like, 21 years old before you had a kid.

Wow. Crazy. What affairs do you even have at 21? I guess back then, probably a lot. You don't own any money. You were probably married off at, like, 13 back then. Yeah, you're like, I guess I leave my husband everything because he just gets that anyways. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Right.

Yeah, none of this is mine. Okay, so I can run through, I'll just run through like a few other people who lived in this house. In case anything comes up tonight, we have some names top of mind. Great. Good call. Good call. In case we hear of anyone. So in 1899, the house was sold to the Pickering family, Sarah and Thomas.

And they had three kids, Edith, Gertrude, and Arthur. And then John Williams Downing lived in the residence with his wife, Sarah, and two children, Anna and Alice. Anna died in the house nine months later in September of 1845 of dysentery, and she was young when she died, unfortunately. Yeah. And then that kind of leads us up to where we are today. Where Phil Marchand lived in this house growing up.

He owns it now. He's the guy on the Airbnb that we talked to. Yeah, he's great. He also is so open about his experiences. And it sounds like he's had a lot of... I mean, this is a very natural transition into the ghosty stuff going on in the house. But it sounds like Phil, ever since his family moved in, it's had, like, weird stuff going on.

Yeah. And his mom opened a bed and breakfast here. Yeah. So originally, it was his great-aunt and uncle owned the home, and then his parents had purchased the home from his great-aunt and uncle. And then when his parents divorced, he and his mom lived here, and his sister lived here in this house. And then eventually, they started, like, boarding people

and then turned it into a bed and breakfast as, like, a means to be a single mom and raise a family. And so he grew up here for some time. And then he himself and his wife had their very first child in this house while living here. Oh, wow. Like, in the house? Well, I don't very first child in this house while living here. SHANNON BOWMAN Oh, wow. Like, in the house? SHANNON BOWMAN Well, I don't think they delivered in the house, but like...

SHANNON BOWMAN You got me thinking about birthing rooms. I'm like, is there a nook and cranny we missed? SHANNON BOWMAN I don't know where the birthing room is in here. But yeah, they lived here. I think it's been in their family since the 1970s. So he's had, you know, 50 years of stories to share in here. SHANNON BOWMAN Yeah. I was actually gonna read Phil's little message to me, because I had messaged him on the Airbnb app asking if he had had any paranormal stories.

And he did share, he basically was like, I have so many stories, but basically he said, I grew up in this house and have a lot of great memories here. I will say, I've always personally felt like the third floor is haunted. Growing up, I had a lot of crazy dreams about the third floor and always felt a supernatural presence up there. As far as guests go, I hear a lot of stories about hearing things or feeling a presence on the third floor or something that was left in one place and then

moved later. Luckily, no one has been too scared to stay there. And from most accounts, whatever spirit is there is not scary. Phil then said personally, I love this so much because you're staying here. Yeah. Phil said, me personally, I don't like to be bothered when I'm sleeping. So I'd always prefer to sleep on the second floor

with a fan very close to my head in order to drown out any noise. Okay, great. Okay, I have my white noise machine, which is just an app on my phone. But I'll have that going. Yeah. So Phil's done a lot of interviews. So I found plenty of interviews where he discussed some of the paranormal,

and then we kind of dove into some of the reviews of the Airbnb to find some more hauntings. There's also two notebooks over there that Kailin and I found, and we were like, we should definitely, maybe over dinner, read through them. Oh, yeah, definitely. See what other people have experienced. Yes.

Okay, well, Phil, obviously, growing up here, has had a lot of experiences. Like he said, he had a lot of crazy dreams. But he would also hear footsteps and creaking in the middle of the night. Which, some people could argue, like, this is an old house, right? Like, this is a natural thing for these old floorboards

to creak and shake and beams pop. But other people have seen stuff, ghostly stuff. So Phil has a lot of people backing him up. Wow. One of the experiences that he had was in high school when a friend of his, it was his best friend was over, the house was empty. And they heard someone walking upstairs.

And so Phil's friend gets up and walks up to the second floor, which is where you're sleeping. Yeah. And comes back down and says, oh, I think I just saw your sister. And Phil's like, my sister is not home. And that is basically the beginning of people starting to report, or not the beginning, but like, in this story.

It's our first introduction to this woman, or really a younger, like, teenaged girl with dark hair. Do we know what she looks like? She looks like you. Hello? Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna play that part for you again. It was really clear in the room when it happened, but the three of us heard a woman's voice sing

something. Like a hum coming from deep inside the house. I ended up sending that clip to my sound designer and I asked if he knew what the sound was, but even he couldn't figure it out. He said the frequencies weren't consistent with a car driving by or with a human voice. It was this kind of other third thing that he hadn't seen before. I'm going to play it three times. The first time will be what our mics picked up. The second will be what my phone that was recording picked up. And the third will be what my sound designer isolated. Check it out. A younger like teenage girl with dark hair.

Do we know what she looks like? She looks like you. Did you just hear a singing? Hello? Or really, a younger, like, teenaged girl with dark hair. Did you just hear a singing? She looks like you. Did you just hear a singing? Hello? Or really, a younger, like, teenaged girl with dark hair.

Did you just hear a singing? a young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young, young I'm curious. The depths of the house is in front of us. Yeah. Hello. And it was as you were talking about the girl. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. OK, well. Maybe she sings and she's a teenager. She's a teenager. OK, I'll keep that in mind. Get ready for Las Vegas style action at BetMGM, the king of online casinos. Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas strip excitement MGM is famous for when you play the classics.

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Or maybe perhaps still sitting there. So the identity of this mysterious girl and woman is a mystery. Phil... Most likely a teenager, but yeah. I guess some people say woman, some people say teen. Right. Young lady. Young lady. Young lady. Phil has tried to figure out the cause of the hauntings,

and a historian helped get some of the details of previous owners, which is a lot of the stuff that you detailed. Yeah. There were a few deaths, but nothing really stood out. But... it's Salem. And we've also talked a lot about on our podcast, like, even if it wasn't Salem, it could be a brand new house

and there could be hauntings. It maybe has to do with people or, like, just the location. And also, this house has now been turned into an Airbnb, because I think it's easier and makes more money than a bed and breakfast. And I read online, like, Phil has a house booked every October. It's fully booked. People are coming here for the haunted attractions

and sailing. Look at us, we're trying to contact the dead here tonight. Like, we are instigating and contributing to the energy of this home. We found a Ouija board. I thought of that, yeah, when you said, I wonder if they closed the Ouija board correctly. It's like, yeah, who's coming in here and conjuring stuff up

or summoning things and then just leaving because they don't know what to do with it. We're confident in our approach in terms of being really respectful because we learned how to investigate from two of the best investigators in the world. Yeah. So...

But what are other people doing? Right. Yeah, you don't know. Are people like, like, hail Satan? Like... Or just like think it's a joke and then, like, to your point, they get scared once things start happening and then they just, yeah. Yes. Yeah.

They don't properly say goodbye. So we'll also, when we do our episode, we'll set intentions before we actually actively communicate with the spirits because that is something I think is important when you do approach a conversation with the other side. Boundaries are always okay to set. Especially in real life.

Yeah. Not only with the dead, but this is practice. You can do this with the living too. Yeah. I'm better at setting it with the dead. You're practicing. I'm practicing. But so most of these hauntings are like people will feel things,

see things move, objects moving on their own, and they'll see this little girl. Um, there's full body apparitions, but oh, wow, there's more. There is. Oh, wow. So I have no idea where, because it did not specify. But as we have noted, there are many bathrooms here,

and there's also many mirrors in many of the bedrooms. Apparently, multiple people have seen someone appear behind them when they're looking in the mirror. That's my biggest fear. Yeah. Do they describe who the person is at all? No, but I, some people had said it was the teenage girl. Okay. But there were some that just said someone appeared. Oh my gosh. And I don't know who and how many people could be showing up in this mirror. But there's a mirror right there. I know. They're everywhere. Be careful. And there's windows everywhere too.

Like there's so many reflective surfaces in this house. Yeah. The one on the third floor is the creepiest. And like it looks down the long hallway and there's a mirror at the end of that hallway, which I noticed when you were looking for a light switch up there. It's like right there, and I feel like that is the prime spot and location for you to see a fourth figure appear in the mirror with us. In my own home, I don't even look in the mirror at night.

I keep my eyes down. Yeah, I know. It's freaky. It is. But one thing that's not super freaky here is there is a little boy, and he seems to be pretty playful. Someone who had some mediumship powers who, uh, stayed here, she believes that this little boy is the one who was causing all of the footsteps that Phil heard when he was young living here, and I guess as an adult as well,

because he would constantly hear someone running up and down and, like, running around. And this woman who stayed here made contact with the little boy and the little boy would like, I guess displayed kind of what he would do to show his own presence. And that's exactly what a lot of people who stay here experience.

So if you tonight hear some footsteps and walking and running around on the floor above you, don't be scared. It's just a little bit of play. That's who it is. Okay, that makes me feel a little bit better. Yeah. I prefer that to whatever there's, like,

the dark figure with red eyes. Potentially Hat Man, Shadow Man that's on the third floor. Yes. Because that, I've heard whispers of this, and that's the one I'm really not looking forward to. Seems terrifying. It does feel like that is, is like not as common, hopefully. Okay.

But there is a ghost cat. Oh, so we have some good hauntings. Yeah, there's some fun nice ones. There's some positive. So the hat man, there is a man in a hat with glowing red eyes that torments guests and even Phil himself has confirmed that that is the most active floor and the floor that most people have scary encounters.

Some people believe that the man in the hat is Giles Corey, who was killed during the witch trials. He was pressed to death. That's the famous, -"One more stone." Yeah. Oh, he said that? Yeah, so he was the only one who was pressed by stone.

Everyone else was hanged. Yeah. And they kept giving him an opportunity while placing another stone on top of him to basically declare himself guilty. And he just kept saying, one more stone, like he would not give up his innocence. It took days for him to die. And he just kept saying, one more stone. Like, he would not give up his innocence. Was it days?

It took days for him to die. Yeah, he was in agony and very slowly died. Slowly was pressed to death. Whoa. Horrible. So if you go downtown Salem, you can walk through the Witch Memorial, which is just like this really short loop in there. There's almost like this stone or like granite bench that says every person's name on it

and how they had died. Yeah. So when you get to his, it says pressed to death. Wow. Yeah, that's horrible. But I think so they think it's Giles Corey that's upstairs. That's interesting, because I had heard that someone who went on the third floor felt pressure in their chest and they were thinking about Giles Quarry. And how... Yeah, it was actually, it was the ghost tour guide that I heard about the Witches line from.

He's been to this house, and when he went to the third floor, he felt, like, pressure on his chest, and that's why he felt like it was Giles Quarry upstairs. Oh, yeah, that could make sense. Well, and also, because it causes sleep paralysis, seeing this entity, which is it sleep paralysis, or is it... if it is being like this, like, residual energy of feeling what he felt.

Hmm. That's making me nervous because I get sleep paralysis. And when I get sleep paralysis, it feels like I'm being crushed on my chest. I think tonight, as I stay here, I'm gonna look out for sleep paralysis. Like, I'm very curious to see if I have sleep paralysis here. Because I think that'll be saying something. Especially if I see my sleep paralysis demon, I call Gary.

But if I see Gary... Gordie and Gary! Gordie and Gary, um, that's not a good sign if Gary shows up. Geez. Usually it's like a spooky, like... I mean, sleep paralysis often is unsettling and spooky. Not that I've ever had it, but like, you hear, like... I mean, sleep paralysis often is unsettling and spooky.

Not that I've ever had it, but like, you hear every story you hear, it's like a weird creature watching you sleep or something in the corner of your room. Yeah. What's interesting about the hauntings here is we have kind of... From what people have shared online, we have kind of like a general idea of what is here, but no one has gone into extreme detail

with what they have felt or like truly experienced. kind of like a general idea of what is here. But no one has gone into extreme detail with what they have felt or like truly experienced. So... I'm curious to hear and see, I guess, like what comes tonight. Because people have heard voices as well. So like seeing people body down through... We potentially heard singing. Someone singing.

Yeah, apparently some people are being hushed by spirits. So maybe if we get a little too annoying or overbearing, we might be. Okay. I will also acknowledge that truly that feeling has gone away. I no longer feel it. And I didn't notice it until you started talking about the little girl. Like when you talked about the girl and people seeing her, I consciously was like, oh, that feeling is gone. Huh. Huh.

Whoa. Do you feel like it's because we stopped talking about the Corwins or because she's like a good... We're gonna find out. ...to be determined? Whoa. Okay, so the full extent of what we're gonna do tonight is gonna be on your feed. I'm really excited. This made me a little bit more spooked though,

to do it, but I'm really excited. Well made me a little bit more spooked, though, to do it, but I'm really excited. Well, usually, I told you this, but usually, we kind of try to go in a little bit blind, because I like to not have anything predetermined or, like, sway my experience. And, like... Yeah. Like, I don't want to be like,

oh, this happened and it must be that because we learned about the history. Sometimes it's really cool to like, not really know anything about it and have something happen and be like, then learn about the history. Oh my gosh, that makes perfect sense. It's all connecting.

So yeah, we try to get like just like the bare bones usually. And it is really interesting because every time we've done an investigation, there are very specific spirits who have appeared that align with the history. But then also, the homes themselves seem to have a bit of an energy and like become its own entity as well.

Also, do we all have something we're bringing in here? You know, like energy that we've brought with us, or, you know, if you were walking around a town, like Salem today, did something come with you? I've been in like every graveyard, so probably. Yeah, I mean, they're probably curious. They're like, what are you doing tonight? Let's go.

Yeah, let's go. Some new entertainment. Oh, my friends at that house. Yeah, yeah. I want to stop by. Also someone checked out right before we checked in, so who knows how long they were here, if they communicated with anyone, if they were the ones who used the Ouija board that's tucked

away in a creepy cupboard. Yeah. Yeah. Well, okay. Well, let's get to it. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. Ah! Okay. Wish us luck. Thank you guys for listening. And remember, if you want to listen to or watch us contact some ghosts in part two, make sure you check out 2 Girls 1 Ghost wherever you get your podcast and on YouTube starting February 25th. Part 2 will only be available on their feed so please go say hi and let me know what you think.

And that voice we heard humming coming from inside the house? Yeah, that's not the last time we heard from her that night. She had something really important that she was trying to tell us. Okay, I will see you later this week for our regular programming where I'm going to tell you the very dark story of a recent cult. But until then, stay curious.