Hello Internet - H.I. #55: Element Zod

Episode Date: January 13, 2016

Brady & Grey discuss when one is half way to death, the cult of Star Wars spoilers, darts, the results of the Hello Internet flag referendum, hotstoppers, the naming of new elements, and updates on the FITOTRON 5000 lifestyle. Brought to You By Backblaze: Online backup for $5/month Squarespace: Use code HELLO for 10% off your website Audible: get a free 30-day trial by signing up at audible.com/hellointernet Listeners like YOU on Patreon Show Notes Discuss this episode on the reddit Brady's Christmas present The Usual Suspects The 6th Sense World War II Darts Flag Referendum time-lapse video Podcastpostcards PRO and CLASSIC Hello Internet Flags THE PEOPLES' Standard Flag via DFTBA Hello Internet Flag T-Shirts via DFTBA Women's T-Shirts via Teespring Flying the Flag Hello Internet Flag Vector Hello Internet Flag PNG Derek's late vote for Flaggy Flag Hotstopper fundraiser IUPAC official element discovery announcement Periodic Videos: FOUR new elements video (when Brady thinks it REALLY becomes official) General Zod as an angry sorority girl Henry's blistering Fitotron 5000m FITOTRON 5000 Shirt

Go on, do it one day, I dare you. You dare me? I double dog dare you. Can't turn down the double dog dare. Instead of our usual clap, Scray, I'm going to give you a different noise. Are you ready? Why do you always... It will still give you nice peaks on the waveform.

Last time you did this, you gave me some horrible sound that did not give me nice peaks, even though you were really confident about it. Listen to this and see if you can guess what it is. Okay. Okay, first of all, that's not a nice peak sound. It's mushy already. No, but you can see three distinct lines on your waveform, so you can clearly sync up with that.

I don't think you understand what it is that I'm doing. I am hitting the microphone with one of my Christmas presents. Oh, yeah? Which is my meteorite. Who gave you a meteorite? It was from my wife. Oh, that's very nice. And it sits on my desk in a little box on a little velvet pillow.

And whenever I want, when I feel like I want inspiration, I can just reach down and hold a piece of space in my hand. Yeah. Does that help you? Do you get inspired by holding space in your hand? I would say not so much. Oh, okay. But it does feel very nice. And you know, I like fiddling with things and it's weighty and it's interesting textured

and it looks cool. So it brings me pleasure. I'm happy that it brings you pleasure. And I would much rather have you fiddling meteorites than just before we started recording, you have what looked to me like new soundproofing equipment in front of you to sound nicer on the microphone. And you were fiddling with the soundproofing to make the soundproofing make noise. It was just, it was like an astounding thing to watch you do. So I would much prefer that you fiddle with the meteorite, but I love

that you make the thing that is there to make less sound. You make it make more sound with your fiddling. Yeah. We have to let people hear it now. This is what it sounds like when I rub my finger along the soundproofing. Yeah. Yeah. This people is what he was doing just while he was talking to me, just rubbing his fingers against the lovely soundproofing. So play with your meteorite, Brady.

You're such a fiddler. Great. If you were more interesting and engaging, I wouldn't be looking elsewhere for distractions. Oh, yes. I'm sure that's what it is. That's what it is. You are just solid as a rock, right? Motionless, like a marble statue when you're talking to someone more engaging than I.

I have a high capacity to take in stuff and do stuff and you're not satisfying me, Greg. Right. I'm just not stimulating enough for you. You're like an artificial intelligence and talking to me is just occupying a tiny part of your brain. Exactly. Like you're talking and like years are passing in my brain. Speaking of years passing, happy 2016 and all that. Yeah, happy 2016, Brady. How did you see in the new year? Oh, I wish you hadn't asked. Oh, really? Okay, okay. Because I know this is going to infuriate you. Oh, no. I went to sleep, no joke, three minutes before the changeover to the new year. And the worst thing is, in our current

apartment, we have a nice view to the sky in London, so we could theoretically see all the fireworks. Or I say theoretically, because of course, my wife did see all the fireworks. But at 11.57, I was sitting on the couch and thinking, I'm just too tired to stay up anymore. And I went to bed. Oh, okay. That is a bit sad then. If you just fell asleep, fair enough. But you actually consciously said, I cannot sit here for three more minutes.

I'm walking to my bed now. Yeah. I got into bed and I closed my eyes and I sort of heard the fireworks as I drifted off to sleep almost immediately. I think that has to be a record for me of the closest I have ever come to the New Year's changeover without actually making it to the other side. I mean, that doesn't infuriate me, but it is a bit tragic, isn't it? Like to be so close and you could have just had a look. I think it's tragic to stay up when you're tired.

Yeah. Okay. I'm not gonna, I'm not to argue with you. I mean, I think people, I think it's becoming a bit of a trendy thing now to say, oh, I did nothing or I went to sleep and stuff. So, I mean, this is not uncommon now. I think people almost wear it as a badge of honour to say, oh, I did nothing for New Year. You know, New Year's so overrated and so overhyped. So, I just stayed in and watched, you know, TV and went to bed at 10.30. Yeah. I watched House of Cards. Is that the voice that they use when they say this?

Yeah, that's pretentious voice. Oh, I can't be dealing with New Year. Oh, gosh. I prefer to celebrate the Nepalese New Year in May. I like this new voice of yours. At least it's a little bit of variety from nerd voice. I'm the man of a thousand voices. Yeah, well, I know of two now. So... Okay, I'm the man of two thousand voices. Yeah, well, I know of two now.

So, okay. I'm the man of two voices, but that doesn't sound quite as cool. No, it doesn't sound quite as cool. What about you, Brady? How did you ring in the new year? I rung in the new year in a ready maroon velvet jacket. Oh, wow. Partying in the Moulin Rouge in Paris. That is quite the contrast. It is quite. Our show didn't start until midnight. Oh, God. Partying in the Moulin Rouge in Paris. That is quite the contrast. It is quite. Our show didn't start until midnight.

Oh, God, really? We had like a fancy dinner and like cabaret singing, which was fun. And then at New Year, they came up on stage, the sort of the hosts. They actually came on at like five past, which everyone knew because we all had iPhones. So, we already knew they'd miss the New Year. But at about five past twelve, they did this faux countdown from 10, 9, 8, 7, which just started arbitrarily when they felt like it. And then there was like, you know, pyrotechnics and that.

And then like the Moulin Rouge show started for two hours of, you know, glamorous people dancing around with far too little clothes on and people swimming with snakes and jugglers and mime artists and all the crazy campness that is a Moulin Rouge show. And then there was a bit of dancing with masks and crazy hats and horns and then back to the hotel. That does sound like quite the New Year's. It was much better than I expected. That's quite the New Year, Brady. That's quite the New Year.

While you slept, I was spilling not one, but two glasses of champagne all over my wife's lovely dress. Oh, nice. Nicely done. It was a little bit cramped at those tables and I was a bit clumsy, but she was cool. She has to be living with a caveman. Yeah. You go someplace fancy, Brady spills champagne all over.

Yeah. And Christmas was a bit of a write-off because of work reasons. But Christmas was celebrated on Boxing Day with the Greys. Yes. It was lovely. It was lovely. We got together for Christmas in London. Boxing Day in London.

But it's Christmas enough. It's the whole Christmas season. Christmas dinner. Walk the dogs. Watched a bit of rubbish TV, put the world to rights or whatever it is when you just talk about rubbish for hours. It was one of those just enjoyable days of just hanging out together and just eating a lovely dinner.

It was very nice. It was a very nice boxing day to spend with the Bradys. The Bradys. I like that. Now, do you have any big plans for 2016, Brady? Is there anything big happening in 2016 that you want to talk about? 2016 is going to be an official year of fun for me with lots of cool travels and adventures. And I want to travel more and see more stuff. And why is it going to be the year of fun for you, Brady? Because it just is. Oh,

yeah? Is that what we're just going to leave it at? fun for you, Brady? Because it just is. Oh, yeah? Is that what we're just going to leave it at? Yeah. Yeah. And we're not talking about birthdays or anything like that. Oh, okay. So. All right.

All right. But it's the year of fun. It's a year of fun. Yeah. For no particular reason. For no particular reason. Not anything big or anything. No. No. No. No. Nothing big. Ceaseless approach of death. reason for no particular reason not anything anything big or anything no no no nothing big

ceaseless approach of death every year is a year closer to death it is completely unrelated to this discussion about birthdays do you have an opinion about when middle age officially starts that is a thing that constantly shifts as you get older i'm at a i'm at a point now where middle age starts in 10 years all the time right it's like it's 10 years away and it's and it's moving at one year per year away away from that it will never be caught And it is not getting closer either. I feel that that is intellectually dishonest, but also entirely understandable. When do you believe it starts, Mr. Rational and Noah of all? 40 has to be middle age. I think that that's probably the best time to put it.

And really, 40 is being somewhat optimistic because most people don't actually live until 80. You live slightly younger than that. So maybe like 39, maybe even 38 is middle age. But I think by the time you're 40, there's no denying it anymore. That's middle age. So you're defining middle age to almost what it says on the tin, middle, yeah, the midpoint of life. I'm taking this totally crazy path of assuming that the word means what it says on the tin middle yeah the midpoint of life i'm taking this totally crazy path of assuming that the word means what it means which is the middle of of your age see i think it could mean different things and do you count those first 10 years in your equations and you know is it the middle of your adult life is it the middle is it just the middle of the number

of days your heart has been beating i don't't know. I think 40 works both ways though, right? Because when people are in their 40s, this is usually at the period of time where if they have a family, they're going to have a family. Like when I think when I was a kid, all of the parents that I knew, they were all in their 40s. And it seems like, oh, this is this middle phase of a human's life. Like you were a kid and then you grew up and you were a young adult for a while. And now when you have a family and you're in your forties, that's middle

age. And then immediately after middle age comes death. That's how it goes. Immediately after. There's no, there's not a, there's not like a sort of a sunset period or anything. It's just middle age and then bang against the wall. Yeah. It's all, it's all over. It's all over after that. That's how that works. So having clarified where middle age is, what should one's attitude be to reaching middle age? Is this a time of celebration? Is it a time of mourning? Is it just meh? What should one think when one reaches the age of 40? I don't know. I have no idea. I'm not there yet. Well, neither am I. I didn't say that you were, Brady. I didn't say that you were. The thing is, you should probably find someone in middle age, just like the general you, not you, but like, you know,

you, dear listener, should find someone middle age and ask them what they think about that. Because you can't like speculate in the future. It's just like, oh, I could give advice to people who are younger than me, but it's hard to give advice to people who are older than me. So, yeah, I think maybe we should hear from our audience. What should people in middle age think? That's an interesting thing you just said there, though. Does advice only flow down? Can young people not advise? I mean, of course they can advise old people, but can young people legitimately advise older people or can advice only flow from

the old to the young? I'm thinking in terms of general life advice. There's some term for it, but it does seem to be that people go through different psychological experiences, like in sections of decades as they grow older. And I think for that kind of thing, you can only talk to someone who is older than you and who has gone through it. I was just reading this article, which was talking about human happiness

over the course of life and how it does seem to follow a U shape that you're happier when you're younger. Happiness seems to minimize in the middle of your life in the term middle age, sort of in your forties, let's say. And then after your forties, it goes up. But that it's very common for people in middle age to have this feeling of, oh, is this all there is to my life? Or like knowing that it's unlikely that they're going to have another big career change or something like that.

So I think for this kind of general life advice, it can only flow downhill. I think like when I was in my 20s, I went through a kind of, I think the cool kids these days call it a quarter life crisis, where I remember in my early 20s having a real feeling of like, oh God, what is going to happen with my life? I'm just unemployed and I have no idea what I'm going to do. And I feel like, oh, if I was talking to someone in their 20s, I might have useful things to say to that person, but I have nothing useful to say to someone in their 40s. Like, I wouldn't be able to necessarily advise them. I think they would need to talk to someone in their 50s who had gone

through whatever they're going through. Do you think maybe it's not possible that when you get older, you sort of forget things or you, like, you're hard drive and you get so cluttered with rubbish, you forget certain things or can no longer access certain things that the young people can. And they could sort of say to you, you know what, you should try this and this. And the old person might say, oh, I forgot what it was like to think like that. And you're right. That is good advice. That will help me out of this situation.

We do know that brains decay as time goes on, that you're just slowly falling apart as as time goes on but i don't know i think there is something about the experiences that someone has been through just as as general life advice that you have to talk to someone who is older i mean yeah i mean your experience can only go up as long as you don't forget at all which you do it's interesting to hear that you think i'm pretty much getting to the bottom of the U. I didn't say anything about your age in particular, Brady. You are saying that you're getting to the bottom of the U. I feel like I am quite happy.

Yeah? Maybe I'm just happy this week because I've tidied my desk and cleared my desktop on my computer and I've gone to the gym a bit. And maybe this is a bad time to ask me and I'm just feeling unusually happy today. Yeah? Yeah. But do you feel happy in general, Brady? Yeah, I'm feeling pretty happy today.

Do you feel more happy than 10 years ago? I would say... Like, what were you doing 10 years ago? I was working at the BBC. Living in Nottingham. I mean, I was happy. I was working at the BBC, living in Nottingham. I mean, I was happy. I was happy. But I feel like I can do more now.

Like I feel more free now. I feel more in control of my own life now. I have like more responsibilities and pressures now, that's true. But at the moment, I'm on top of them. So, I'm willing to pay that price for all the other goodness. So, I don't know. I think things are okay at the moment. Yeah, but do you think you're happier now than 10 years ago? It's a very hard thing to say, but. I don't know how to measure happiness. But I would say, oh, I don't know, Gray. I don't know.

I'm making my brain explode. Let's talk about it another episode. This is interesting. I need to think more about it and make some notes. You think about it. We'll run the standard scientific test on you here, which is I will randomly text you, or no, I'll have some robot do it. I'll set up a program to randomly text you at all hours of the day and ask you, how happy are you right now? And you can reply on a

one to 10 scale. That's how we'll do it. But you can't measure that against the 10 years ago, Brady, because you didn't do that then. Yeah, that's true. For the next 10 years of your life, I'll have a robot randomly text you constantly and ask you how happy you are. Then we can compare to see if you 10 years from now is happier or sadder than you now. Except I'll always be unhappy because no matter what mood I'm in, I'll be pissed off that I've got another text that I've got to answer. That's exactly it. This is, of course course the observer effect the instant i ask you you get irritated and less happy all right so i guess we better start the show are we starting the show now yeah we're starting the show start the show now i'll tell you what i will be in

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He's the mysterious... Oh. Oh. Okay. Spoilers territory very fast here, it seems oh yeah but i mean that's that that's unspoilable that film now that's like that film that that that film is all about that's like i see dead people territory for unspoilable now oh yeah yeah you've made that judgment if there are a couple of films where the twist is so famous that that's all the film is, it's Usual Suspects, isn't it? And I See Dead People.

Anyway, but I still haven't spoiled anything. Okay. Really. Speaking of spoilers, I do want to talk about something about spoilers. Yeah. You know, I love talking about spoilers. I will talk about spoilers all day. We're not going to spoil anything right now, by the way, for people.

So don't worry. Yeah, no, no, don't worry. We're not going to say I see dead people or anything. Yeah. Like I said, that's unspoilable. Brady has declared it. You know where to send your complaints. Surely there's like a statute of limitations too on spoilers. No, there's not a statute of limitations on spoilers. I fundamentally disagree with that very notion. You know, new people are born every day, brand new people manufactured who have not seen the sixth sense. You know that, right? Like they exist. Yeah, of course. So there can't, there can't be an expiration date. Yeah, but okay. And also let's not tell them how World War II ended either. That's not a f***ing spoiler, Brady.

God. I'm just winding you up. You should be immune to wind-ups like that by now. That was just a throwaway wind-up. I didn't even think that'd get a bite. I can't believe it. If you're that easy to wind up today, I've got plenty more in the tank. You've shown me your exhaust port, oh Death Star Grey. Now I know where to fire the torpedoes. Anyway, I want to talk to you about spoilers.

Okay. What do you want to talk about with spoilers? In the wake of our Star Wars episode, I've now been listening to a few more reviews and podcasts and things about Star Wars. I didn't listen to any or have anything to do anything, any until we recorded ours. Influence your own thoughts. And we wanted to go in pure to our recording of the show. But yes, as soon as we had finished recording, I too was like, oh boy, now I can listen to all the other podcasts about Star Wars. I'll tell you what, Greg, we needn't have bothered. Almost every single one I've listened to so far may as well be an exact rerun of what we did. I was almost annoyed by how similar or even all the phrasing was.

That's what makes things interesting is to see like, this is a movie that has remarkable consensus. Is that good? Like even when the criticisms are the same, like the praise and the criticisms are the same, is that the sign of a good film or is that the sign of a safe, boring film? Is that the sign of a clever film? I mean, what do you read into the fact that everyone feels the same way about almost everything? Maybe, maybe you could say that it is an indication of a bit of a safe film. I'm not sure that consensus is an indication one way or the other. It is just a thing that with movies sometimes across the spectrum, people's opinions line up about, oh, it's a good movie,

or it's not a good movie, or it's a good movie except for this part. So I'm not willing to say that consensus in and of itself is a bad or positive indicator, but it is remarkable with Star Wars. And I was super aware of that as well. Like, man, every one of these podcasts is hitting the exact same points. Yeah. I'm not saying consent, like if everyone thinks a film is good, that's probably a sign it's a good film but what i'm what the consensus that kind of almost worries me a bit is the the detail of it how everyone agrees on everything like it's it's almost a bit strange and everyone's interpreting the same things the same way and the same the same little minor

criticisms are the same maybe it's a sign that that we listen to podcasts by people that are too similar to us. I don't know. Or it's just an expression of the nerd mind in its various places. Different people with different nerd minds still come to the same conclusions. So, anyway, the one thing that is starting to get on my nerves a little bit, and I know that I'm a bit biased here because i did have the main twist of star wars spoiled for me but i don't think this is why i'm about to say what i'm saying i'm getting a little bit annoyed by this cult of spoiler avoidance how people who manage to see it without being spoiled

and who didn't watch any of the trailers and didn't go on Twitter for eight months before the film because they didn't want anything ruined are kind of like speaking as if they see the film through superior eyes because they were pure and untainted. And I don't know, I think they're coming across like a bit cockish. I feel like you're talking about me because I did all these things. Like I'm not, I'm not, well, I'm going to keep talking in a way that you might think I'm talking about you, but I'm not talking about you here. Okay. But you may project it onto you.

Okay. And the other thing is the people who were doing it, like some of the extremes they went to to avoid spoilers, like they stopped communicating with their friends and they completely shut down areas of their life, like social media parts of their life. And they went to these extreme measures. And if you were describing a cult, two of the things you would say about people who have joined a cult would be they're real zealots and feel really superior about the thing they're doing. And they're starting to act really strangely to their friends and cutting off their friends. And that's what these sort of cult of spoiler people are doing.

I think, like, I've been listening to a few podcasts and, like, people are constantly talking about, they're talking about how they avoided spoilers more than they're talking about the film. And I don't think you have that superior an experience. Like, not knowing is nice and it's a nice surprise, but you're still seeing the same film. I can't even remember if I knew the twist of Empire Strikes Back

when I saw the film. I can't remember if I already knew, the thing I won't say because people have been born that haven't seen Empire Strikes Back and Graham might not let me. But when that amazing thing happens in Empire Strikes Back, I can't remember if it was spoiled for me or not, but I still remember thinking Empire Strikes Back was awesome. So I don't think you have to have to see a film pure and virginal to enjoy the film. And I think all these people who managed to avoid the spoilers, you know, I'm happy for you and I'm happy you enjoyed the film, but get off your high horse. I don't think cults normally have definitive end points where you

engage in cultist behavior until exactly some day and then, oh, okay, never never again cult is a little bit it's a little bit overblown here well maybe it is a bit weird though yeah but you're lucky that this this is like a once in a lifetime phenomenon right like i don't think this is going to be even remotely as intense the second uh for the second movie when it comes out i will and i'm sure other people will want to avoid spoilers for the second movie but i think it's just totally different when it's the first one and it's been, you know, a decade and a half since the last. I think this is just unique in your life, Brady, so you never have to worry about it again. We'll see.

Don't let these cult members bother you. We'll see. Although you are one of those people, Grey, can I just say you are one of the less annoying ones? You've got your little peculiar things about you. And one of them was your spoiler avoidance with this film, but you weren't annoying. I'm glad to know that for you, at least I was less annoying. I will still just say in defense of avoiding spoilers for all kinds of movies, that the experience of watching a thing with knowing as little about it as you can is different from

all of the subsequent watchings of a movie. And I think that's the thing that people are trying to protect. Like, of course, you'll watch a movie again when you've seen it the first time and you think, oh, like, I really like this movie and you pick up on different things. But there is something unique about the first time that you see a movie. And if you can condense and remove as much information from that experience, it's just a much better experience. And I've said to you before, I like to do the same thing with books, especially like with on the occasions that I read fiction, I like to pick up a book, knowing almost nothing about the plot. And when you do that you discover like how it's just a different experience that a lot of the setup feels different than if you know like oh what the overall plot of the of the book or the

movie is i i agree with you great right i agree with you and i would always recommend for someone to avoid spoilers and i you know i know, I avoided Star Wars spoilers. And certainly for the day or two after the film had come out and I hadn't seen it, I was a lot more wary than I normally would be. So, I'm not saying don't avoid spoilers. I guess the thing that I'm a little bit funny about are the people who are like a bit snooty about it and a bit preachy about it and a bit pretentious about it. But also- Can you use your pretentious voice to describe how they talk about themselves yes i i actually didn't switch on my computer for five years there you go as soon as i heard jj abrams was directing i went and sealed myself in a cocoon i like it this voice seems to be amplifying very quickly i like this this is good um

and i and two films i mean i remember when I first saw The Matrix, I didn't even know what it was about. I just got a ticket from my dad because he was a theatre critic and said, you can go and see this film. And I had no idea what I was even walking into. And like my head exploded. And also I remember I went with a friend and saw Pulp Fiction and I had no idea who even had made the film.

I'd never seen Reservoir Dogs at the time I didn't know who Quentin Tarantino was and like an hour into the film my friend just turned around and like grabbed my arm and said this is the best film I've ever seen so like so seeing films when you have no idea is like a wonderful

is a wonderful thing this is that same friend also an hour into Schindler's List turned to me and said is this whole film going to be black and white? Oh, that's great. This is really depressing, you know. But there is something to be said as well for the year of hype before a film comes out and it can be done in the right way and i think a really good example of that is jurassic park that like the very first jurassic park i was in a frenzy of excitement about seeing that film because of all the all the hype and excitement and build up and and true they didn't spoil it and they held back a lot of cool stuff and that and when you finally saw all the dinosaurs it was amazing but like i wouldn't for the world want to have avoided all

the hype and trailers and stuff that preceded jurassic park because that that's what made that film such an amazing release when you finally saw it and i think if you avoid the hype too much you sometimes miss out on some of the experience of what Hollywood and what movies is, that whole machine of excitement that comes before a film. Like, that machine can sometimes be destructive and can give too much away, but other times it can really enhance the experience. Well, without a doubt, human happiness is increased by anticipation and something like the jurassic park movies there they were selling our dinosaurs are amazing like they're going to blow your mind only the first jurassic park movie i liked yeah yeah yeah there's only one jurassic park movie

yeah okay and uh and i mean i actually i saw Jurassic Park just a couple of years ago again, and I was astounded by how well the graphics held up. I'm like, I can't believe this works. I can see sometimes when they're using puppets and when they're using CGI, but it's just amazing how well some movies age. But, but, but that movie, like when they were advertising it, they're going to show you less of the dinosaurs because the dinosaurs are what you're buying the ticket for. but but but that movie like when they were advertising it they're going to show you less of the dinosaurs because the dinosaurs are what you're buying the ticket for yeah and also with

that i have the same feeling of i was really excited for the uh the first lord of the rings movies and i remember god back when i was in college they put out some little tiny online postage stamp size video featurette of some of the initial stuff for Lord of the Rings like two years before the first movie came out. And I remember watching that over and over again where it was the director just saying how like it's amazing we have the technology now to to make this movie. But both of those are places where I can't even say there's spoilers because I've read the book, like the story exists in some other place. And so I think like Jurassic Park or Lord of the Rings are bad examples for things that you can be excited about because they pre-existed in some other place. Yeah, but the excitement there is how are they going to execute it? How are they going to make it real? Right. But that's a totally different excitement from what is the thing. Yeah. Right. Whereas if they had released a Star Wars novel of the movie

a year ahead of time, I feel like, oh, it'd be a very different experience waiting for the Star Wars movie. So I don't think those things are necessarily comparable brady can you remember a film being spoiled for you i'm trying to think um i know i know that i have had stuff spoiled or there there are just movies where i'm fully aware of like oh i'm going to have a different experience because i already know the thing about it so this actually came up on on boxing day we were discussing but we didn't actually uh we were thinking about watching Gone Girl as a movie. And that's an example of like, I already know the whole story of Gone Girl. I don't even know how I know the whole story, but somehow it is entered into my mind. And so I'm just aware that like, oh, okay, I will watch this movie in a totally different way than if I wasn't already aware of the plot ahead of time.

Yeah. So, and, but that's a case where I don't really mind because I'm not super invested in that. Whereas actually when you talk about Cult of Spoilers, the worst I ever was with that was avoiding spoilers for The Wire because I knew that someday I was going to sit down and watch The Wire, but it was never this day. And so I spent years and years like ripping out my headphones whenever any podcast would suddenly start talking about The Wire. I was just very worried about spoilers for this thing that I knew someday I was going to watch. So I spent years avoiding spoilers for a thing that already existed, but I just didn't feel like watching it yet for some reason. So that's probably the weirdest behavior I've had.

But I mean, have you had any massive spoilers? I mean, aside, of course, from Star Wars. Well, yeah, I've probably had some and I've had others where I've avoided things like yourself, where I did that a little bit with Breaking Bad. The thing I'm funny about with spoilers is quite often sport. If I've like pre-recorded a game, it happens to me a bit with baseball and sometimes some other sports like football and Formula One is the classic because I always watch Formula One races a few hours after they actually

happen because Formula One races usually happen on Sundays and Sundays a day when I'm usually out about doing things with my wife. So I can't watch the race until the evening usually. So I have to be really careful about social media then because if I know who wins the race, it really makes the race very hard to watch. The funny thing with sports spoilers is, like, I'm a Yankees fan, right? And so if I want to watch a Yankees game, if I find out the result and the Yankees win, I'll still watch the whole game really happily.

If I find out they lose, I just won't watch. But if I know they're going to win, I will get just as much enjoyment from watching the game as I would from not knowing the result. In fact, sometimes I might enjoy it more because even when they're losing, I won't be miserable. I'll be thinking, oh, this is just going to be awesome now because they're going to come back and win it. Like, I can't wait. This is brilliant. Like, and I'm looking at the happy opponents thinking, you got no idea what's coming, mate. Sports spoilers are a double-edged sword. And for example, if I'm about to watch a Yankees game and it's spoiled and I find out actually the Red Sox are going to win this game, I feel really relieved because that's three hours of my life that I can do something else with rather than sitting there and being miserable watching them lose.

This to me is just, I mean, because I'm, you know, I'm not a person who follows sports. I have no problem with people following sports. It just always strikes me as funny if you say something like, oh boy, I'm really relieved I don't have to watch that game. I feel like, yeah, does that feel like something about the sports mind of like, is it really that interesting? I don't think, I'm not sure that it is. Think of it this way, Gray. Imagine if there was someone, I know this person could never exist, but imagine if there was someone who you trusted enough their taste in movies or any cultural things like books that that you could just look to them and say i'm thinking

of going seeing this film this afternoon or i'm thinking of reading this book and they just gave you a little nod or just a little shake of the head to say read the book and they knew maybe you wouldn't like the book but you should read it because there was some value to it, or it would make you think things, or you would like it. They just knew if it was a valuable use of your time. Okay. You've convinced me. I've completely changed my mind. You're right. I see this in a, I see this in a different way. Because for sport, yeah. And the reason that works for sport is because with sport, the result and the team I want to win is the be all and end all. So, that little nod or shake of the head really does

just come down to the result most of the time. Right. Sports feels like World War II. Can there be spoilers? I don't think there can be. Well, yeah, it's funny. But if my team is going to win, I'd rather not know. But, you know, you can't do it. It doesn't work that way. So it's very difficult. I'm sorry about your sports spoiler difficulties. My sport viewing has gone downhill the last year or so. I really need to pick that up.

Yeah, it has gone downhill. We were watching darts. That was at Boxing Day. I just wanted you to see what darts look like. Horrifically poorly designed sport that you just kept trying to really sell me on, and I was completely unsold. For people listening, Grey's problem with darts is he thinks it just should be a competition to see who can hit

the bullseye, basically. It just blows my mind that darts is not about hitting the bullseye. I can hardly, I can hardly, I just, we must have spent, I don't know, like an hour arguing over this and like, oh no, they don't try to hit the bullseye. And okay, so, okay, so listener, you might be thinking if you're unfamiliar with darts oh there must be more complexity to it then like there's a thing that's going on and maybe it's a much more interesting game no instead they're just trying to hit a little a little red rectangle that's just a few inches above the bullseye every time until the very end so they might as well they don't even dare cut me off they might as well, they don't even dare cut me off, they might as well be hitting the bullseye. It's just, if they're just going to be aiming for the red square above the bullseye,

why don't they just aim for the goddamn bullseye because it's a dartboard? It's just infuriating. I couldn't believe this. I felt like on the day when I finally explained the nuance of darts to you and why that's not true, I felt like you got there in the end and I feel like now you've regressed. No, no, no. There's no regression. First of all, we had to be more civil because the wives were around. They could just strangle you like I wanted to. You're sitting there all smug about like, oh, darts is so amazing. No, I was standing up at the tv pointing to parts of the dartboard on the tv so that you could understand it's just i just i could not i could not believe the rule the rules of darts i mean it was it was

kind of fun to see it on tv i'm not saying that like darts is dumb like i always i always like that no matter what the activity is in the world, there's a group of people who are super into the thing. And to me, this is just the great thing about the modern world is that no matter what it is, no matter how obscure your interests are, there's going to be a group of people who are into a thing. And so, aside from the actual rules of the game which i thought were ridiculous i did think it was fun to see that it was up at uh alexandria palace in uh north london but um alley pally alley pally is that what they call it that's what you that's what the darts people call it alley yeah but i did love that there was like this this arena for the darts players and they had cheerleaders

and like big lights and swooping cameras. Like that whole thing I do love. I love that this can exist in the modern world. But the fact that they're not aiming at the bullseye, they're aiming at something just slightly north of the bullseye every time. That's infuriating. You need to change that rule of darts. Please, people, don't go to Twitter or Reddit or email to explain the rules of

darts to Gray and I. I explained the rules of darts to Gray. I explained why there's a lot more to it than that. No, there's not. I swear at the time it felt like he understood. I understand right now. I understand right now.

It's the, it's the triple 20 where you're counting down from 500. And at the very end, you have to get it at zero. I understand. We went through the whole thing. And you understand the targets move around depending on the state of the game and your success. It only matters at the very end. You do four throws where you're always trying to hit the same little rectangle.

And then only at the end when you get into zero, then does it change. No. I understand perfectly. I understand exactly how this works you clearly didn't this is my failure this is my failure no this is a failure your ignorance is my failure and i i darts works it's i i take full responsibility for gray's gray's misunderstanding here and i will work on it further whatsoever no we will not work on it any further. Do you know what? You and I should go and play darts. We should play darts. That's what we should do.

All right. All right. We should play darts. That feels like a sport you'd play. Yeah, I'd do that. Like, I can't see you ever strapping on the cricket pads and letting me send down a few bounces at you. No, I'm not playing cricket. But I think you'd play darts with me.

Yeah. I wonder. I don't think the pub that we meet up in normally has a dartboard, but well, I'd play darts with you sometime. All right. We'll find a darts venue. All right. It's a date. Our fourth date. Let's talk flags. Flag vote follow-up. Yeah. We had our big referendum. We haven't had a chance to talk about it because Star Wars took

precedence for a while. Your million pounds might have taken precedence, but it didn't. So, flag follow-up now. Do you know what? I'm in the lottery tonight, though. You probably don't know this, but there's a huge jackpot in the lottery in the UK tonight. Oh, yeah? And it has to be won. So, if no one wins it, they divvy up all the money to the second place getters. So, apparently, as of an hour ago, they were selling 400 tickets a second.

Wow. People really are mathematically illiterate, aren't they? But I was one of them because I got my tickets for tonight. Mr. Numberphile, mathematically illiterate. In fact, I think the draw's happened. So you could right now be speaking to a millionaire. Well, let's continue on with the show, shall we? All right.

Let's continue with what could be our last show. Right. The flag vote. So there were lots of little bitty bits of follow-up, really. The first thing I want to do is I just want to tip my hat to those people who were so dedicated that they watched our epic video of us sorting the votes. And they were obviously watching frame by frame because these people have screen captured the moment that we threw their postcard into whatever bin we threw it into. And they've been posting them on social media and

zooming in and enhancing and putting red circles around postcards saying, look, look, there's my vote. There's my vote going into the bin. And I have been seeing those tweets. And I just want to say good on you. I admire you. I think you've, you know, I don't want you to feel like you did that for nothing, because you probably did do it for nothing. They did it for the satisfaction of finding their vote. I'm really glad that people were able to find their votes. I think it's extra funny though, that some people got really lucky because what the way we threw the votes,

they would land in really prominent positions for long sections of the video. I was like, Oh, those people had it on easy mode. They're like, Oh great. My, my,

my vote was visible at the front of the bin for the entire video. It was like, those people were, were very lucky in that case. But yeah, I'm glad people were able to go through and find their votes and see them in action. And we now have a time lapse of the whole thing up on YouTube. Is that right? Or at least it will be up when the podcast goes up. Yeah, it's sort of like it's condensed down to a couple of minutes maybe the whole thing with a bit of hallow internet inspired music composed by

alan stewart who made our little hallow internet song our little hallow internet like you know tone at the start of the episodes he's used that as yeah he's used that as the inspiration for this little piece of music uh that goes with it. So, you can have a look at that. It'll be even harder to spot your vote on that, because obviously it goes by at a million miles a second. Well, are we still putting up the real-time one? What's the story with that? Because you're in charge of this. I do intend to do that. Obviously, that will be spoiler-tastic for people who avoid Grey's Face,

because I'm already getting my knuckles wrapped for Grey's face gait on the other video. I put up, to try to minimize the number of people who were yelling at you, I put up little annotations that people can click when the spoiler is coming up. So it says like, Grey's face spoiler coming up, click here to avoid. And then it jumps forward 10 seconds. Because I did feel bad about how many comments you were getting but it's like you put together a video with thousands of cuts like it was it was inevitable that there was i didn't even i didn't even see let's see them i did like sometimes i did crop

out your face of some shots but anyway uh yeah so keep keep an eye on the hello internet youtube channel for all that kind of stuff and we'll obviously talk about it on social media and stuff but yeah the hello internet youtube channel is the place to go for people who do want to see some postcards like in full hd deluxe can i also do a little plug for what has become essentially my passion project which is uh podcastpostcards.com. And what's happening there is every day at 3.33 p.m. UK time, a new postcard is going up on that blog, and I scan at high resolution the front and the back so you can pore over it in all its detail.

And sometimes I try to make the postcard relevant to the day. So if it's like the national day of Cameroon, I'll try and make a postcard from Cameroon that day. So sometimes they're themed. Sometimes they're just ones that have caught our eye. And I'm really loving doing this and I'm scared. I'm spending way too much time on it for something that is not getting like a whole lot of traffic.

But I'm spending a lot of time. And the return on investment is negative. Oh it's a huge it's a huge loss maker but i'm just getting so much pleasure from it and like i'm i'm pre uh programming these blogs to like go up on certain dates in the future and i'm already like towards the end of the year like oh really on on on anniversaries of famous things at the end of the year, I've already got that blog post already done with a relevant postcard. Look at you. Yeah, I'm really loving it. It's just become a little – it's almost become like a therapeutic thing I do.

It's kind of mindless and lovely, and it's nice to look through all these lovely pictures, and it's nice to have a bit of a connection with some of the listeners, and it's an easy job to do, and it's nice to have a bit of a connection with some of the listeners and it's an easy job to do and it's a bit fun uh so go and have a look post uh it's podcast postcards.com yeah there is also a twitter a twitter for it and stuff but uh if people look at it it'll make me happy because i'm spending so much time doing it yeah people should definitely look and i have to say i have been really enjoying it as well it's it's just very interesting to see the different postcards and of course my experience is a little bit

different because we just did not have time on the day to really look through everything and i'm enjoying these postcards in their digital form and i love that you're scanning them at high resolution and uh i go on the site and i check it out and i just it's this is how i can appreciate the uniqueness of each of these things. It's like, oh, wow, I have, I have time to look at them and check them out and see the little details that people put in there. I like that you have your late ballot stamp that you put on top of some of the postcards. It's, it's really nice. And yeah, you can see what people wrote and you can see what stamps they used and stuff. It's really, it's really fun.

I really like it. And I always just love, this is almost like in the same way that the internet, I always feel like, oh, people are just so clever on the internet. People have been really clever with some of the postcards as well. Like I'm looking at one right now, which is that, that famous picture of soldiers in, in a world war two raising the flag, but they've, they've photoshopped it so that it's a, the white cross flag, which was the one that this person was voting for. I just love that people do these things. Do you know what I'm surprised hasn't happened yet by some, you know, super fan or nerd? I'm surprised no one is keeping a running vote score just based on the postcards that have gone onto the blog, like a running tally of who would be winning the

vote if they were the only ones that were cast. But I'm sure that will now happen. Yeah. I'm sure that will happen now. Yeah. There is a Reddit dedicated to the postcards that will probably appear there, I imagine. There's a Reddit for everything. There is a Reddit for everything. But anyway, go and check out that website.

You can just dip in once a week or once a month and go and look at all the past ones. Or you can look every day if you're a proper super enthusiast. You can be frantically refreshing at 3.32 every day. There are straggler votes coming in as well. Just a couple of days ago, I went and picked up some more late votes. They're not having to give us a separate cardboard box anymore. Our own post box is now enough to hold the five or six late votes that come in each day. Hey, so did you return all of the misdirected mail that we got? Yes. Like all of those messages to Steve and everybody else? Yes. I've taken those back to the post place and said, can you sort these out? So,

they have been returned. Hopefully they will find their way to where they were supposed to be. I was kind of hoping you would be like Santa Claus and hand deliver them yourself around the neighborhood and explain to everybody what the situation was. While I am prone to wasting vast amounts of my time on pointless projects, that would be a step too far, I think. I like that idea, though. Like, oh, it's your friendly neighborhood Brady delivering the misdirected mail. I'm not opposed to people still sending us postcards with what they would have voted for.

They just have to know they're going to get a late ballot stamp on them and they won't be counted, of course. But they still might appear on the blog one day and they'll go into this huge collection I have in my office of postcards. Yeah, your collection looks lovely. And I'm glad that you are the keeper of the postcards. Yeah, you can come and look at them anytime. I will. Just make an appointment. No, I'm just going to show up.

You'll like that. I'll just show up at your house, Brady. That would be a nice surprise. I wouldn't mind. I think you would. I think you would be really freaked out if I just showed up at your door one day. I'd think something dramatically bad had happened. But I wouldn't.

But if you then said, no, everything's fine, I just thought it would be a nice surprise. I think brilliant. Let's go for lunch. Let's play darts. This Hello Internet episode has once again been brought to you by Squarespace. Now, we talk all the time about how great Squarespace is. I mean, even today, you've heard me talk about the new podcast postcards website. Well, I'm doing that entirely with Squarespace. and I can tell you it's an absolute pleasure. Some of my other old websites started many years ago and well, they've become a real mess to design and update. It's a nightmare every time I have to

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I can't tell you how easy it is, but also how great it is. Squarespace, build it beautiful. Here's the situation, because everyone wants to know what's happening with the flag. I have decided and discussed it with you that we are having some really professional versions of the winning flag, nail and gear, made. And I've been talking to a proper flag company

about different ways they can make it, and they're going to do like sewn versions with all the ropes and toggles and everything like that like a real flag well i'm calling it the pro flag because you know i like anything that's pro so so yeah so so what i did the other day was i'm about to i'm about to order order some and i thought well maybe there'll be some uh listeners be some listeners who would like one of these. And I'll order one for them too. So I've made a little section on my blog where you can go. And if you want one, you can get one.

But they are very expensive. And also, you know, because it's part of supporting the podcast and the amount of time I'm going to have to spend mailing them and dealing with all people's requests and stuff. You know, they have to be expensive, don't they? They can't just, you know, I can't just do it for free. So some people said, oh, I'd really love one of those, but they're really expensive. Making the pro of anything. It's just more expensive because it's super high quality. That's just the way it is.

And I have to deal with it. And I do have work I'm supposed to do. So it has to be worth time. Do you, though? Because you seem to spend your time just scanning postcards and tallying around. Okay. Well, maybe that's a bad example. But all right.

Let's say maybe I'm hoping i can use the profits from selling flags to indulge my scanning habit but anyway that's by the by we we we know people want want this want a copy of the flag and they don't want to have to pay flag pro prices which is completely reasonable so hopefully by the time this podcast goes out or uh very soon if not check check the links in all the usual places we are talking to dftba who do our fitatron 5000 t-shirt and the hello internet t-shirt about having uh nail and gear t-shirts and also a cheaper nail and gear flag made that you can buy through them because you and i don't then have to deal with it right uh we can make them you know super cheap right it's not like a one-off order yeah and you know and we don't have to and we don't have to sign it and stuff like that you're just getting it from the factory

and you can get one and you're supporting the podcast as well so keep an eye out for that that is gonna that's gonna be there and finally the final issue is you could make your own i guess what do you think about that, Gray? Well, yeah, we were discussing it before that. And the thing about this is we did this big referendum. We're choosing a flag for the growing nation of Hello Internet. Yeah, it's for the Tims. Yeah, it's for the Tims. And for the Tims to show their allegiance.

Yeah. To march around with. It was voted on by the Tims for the Tims. Right. And so we were saying that we just wanted to make it the official policy that the flag design belongs to the community. So if you want to make your own flag, if you want to print your own flag, go nuts with it. And I will, I'll put it in the show notes. I'll make available like the high quality vector so the people can download it and play around with it.

But I really feel like we happen to be putting together a flag for people to buy if they want out of convenience. But the flag belongs to the people because it came from the people. So go nuts with it, everybody. Like this is your flag

and we want you to have fun with it. But I have to say i'm quite looking forward to my flag pro i can't wait to see the flag pro in person yeah it's gonna be great flying from our headquarters exactly exactly yeah oh by the way one person already has printed the flag and flown it oh yeah yeah uh i can't remember who they were. Maybe I can find them. Hang on, Greg. At Ryeg Branfree, it put first flag ever to see the wind, question mark. And they are flying the flag from a flagpole in a sort of really snowy location. It's quite impressive, actually, Greg.

Isn't Antarctica that they're flying the flag from? It kind of looks like it. So, because of your Antarctica video, everyone's also now saying, is this Antarctica and are you claiming Antarctica and stuff like that? I mean, I think we have claimed Antarctica. I think that video is officially claiming Antarctica for the creation of Hello Internet. That's all you need to do, right? You can't look at Twitter, can you? Because of your ban. No, no, I'm back now. It's been two months. I'm back. I haven't, I just haven't really gone on very much, but I can look now. Oh no, I've just sent it to you on iMessage anyway, the picture, so you can see it.

The nail and gear proudly flying. Very cool. It looks, it looks magnificent. It does. It looks absolutely magnificent. And it's a beacon of the postcard democracy. Beacon of postcard democracy. So one more thing I just want to mention about the referendum, which I quite enjoyed, which is that nail in gear, one, we had our preference distribution.

It was a comfortable victory, if not a landslide. Yeah, without a doubt. It was a comfortable victory. Yeah. Just like in any nation, there's always opposition. And I cannot help but notice that the opposition seems to have coalesced around flaggy flag in a way that I think is really interesting. Like looking at all of the discussions, I don't see anybody who is coalescing around the other versions.

It's just, but there is like strong minority support for flaggy flag interesting flaggy flag has developed its own subreddit there's like a twitter account that's promoting it i've seen in a bunch of the conversations like flaggy flag has definitely attracted its its little subgroup And so my feeling on this is like flaggy flag has become the rebel flag of the Hello Internet nation. Like this seems to be what it really is. Like the flag of the opposition is flaggy flag. Or there could have been like the, you know, what could have been the alternate history.

Yeah. Yeah. I just think it is really interesting post-election to see that there is no discussion of the other versions. Like, I don't see anybody really like, oh, club and claw forever, right? No, it's always flaggy flag forever. So, I feel like flaggy flag is the unofficial official rebel flag of the podcast. Just today, the day we're recording, one of the postcards I put onto the the blog the new website was the late vote that came after the deadline from dirk of veristablian fame oh yeah and he voted for

flaggy flag and even wrote on his postcard you know the one true flag flag of truth i think he wrote so uh so we'll have to have to pick his brain next time we speak to him and find out why he thinks flaggy Flag has done this. Because he was an advocate of that one as well. Yeah, there we go. I think it's interesting to see the discussion before and the discussion after the election. And the Flaggy Flag people, they're serious. They're no joke is it legitimate for me to ask you as the queen

of diamonds of hello internet how you feel about flaggy flag or is that something you can't comment on for diplomatic reasons or what are your feelings towards flaggy flag as a flag i mean here's the thing i have done what i've said i've done which is that I am the embodiment of the will of the people. I have no opinion on any of these flags, except, of course, for nail and gear, which is the one true flag of the Hello Internet nation. Wow. That's what we represent. You are being a true monarch, Greg.

You are really towing the line there. I got to respect that. I got to respect that. What about you, Brady? Do you have any thoughts? I grew a really strong attachment to Flaggy Flag. And I would not have been sad if it won.

But it did not win. It did not win. And nail and gear is our flag. And it is a magnificent flag. It is magnificent. It is a worthy winner because it is what the Tims wanted. Yeah. And it comes in a pro version.

And you can get Nailing Gear Pro. You like that, don't you? I knew you'd like that. I think that's great. I love that. I just really wanted to quickly mention our hot stopper fundraiser. I was just wondering about that the other day. Yeah.

There is a, there is a, obviously we are raising money for the Children's Burns Trust here in the UK in the hope that our campaigning to raise money for them will also stick in the mind of Starbucks UK and get them to really get moving with doing a better job of stocking hot stoppers in all their branches. I can't believe I'm working so hard on this when it's your thing. But anyway. You are a media manipulator. That's what you are, Brady. We have now raised over £1, hey for the children's burns trust uh we'll put a link in the show notes if you want to go and see the fundraising page and come on

starbucks uk that's more than a thousand pounds that people have paid in the interest of hot stoppers and i think you should be paying attention to that and those hot stoppers they can't cost more than a thousandth of a penny to manufacture so So let's think of like a hundred thousand hot stoppers right there. Like that's what that represents. I would get told off for that level of simplification. But anyway, I'll let you do it. No, no, no. It's 100% legit if I do it.

Okay. But yeah, we need those hot stoppers just just uh two days ago my wife sent me a photograph of a hot stopper disaster that could have been prevented with some hot chocolate that she got from starbucks and it spilled everywhere out of the lid and it's like a simple hot stopper it would have fixed this it would have fixed this yeah do you know what i've been doing brady so one of the listeners suggested this and when they first suggested i thought oh well that's that's a sad thing that i'll just never do but now i do it of course which is that in starbucks to try to at least mitigate hot stopper like problems you take one of the straws and fold it in half and

kind of shove it in the little opening that's such such an un-Grey solution. I hate it on so many levels. It's inelegant. It's ugly. It doesn't even really work. But here I find myself doing this, you know, and it's just, it's just barbaric is the only way to describe this. It's like we have a perfect solution. I've got an idea, Grey.

What? Why don't we take that picture that your wife took and other pictures of people with hot chocolate spilled down their white shirts or skull marks on their hands and force Starbucks to print them on their cups like the warnings

they have on cigarette packets. Like to say be careful or this could happen to you. Right. And for Starbucks to- Unless they're willing to stock hot stoppers in all their shops. Give them the choice. If you've had a serious spill as a result of not having a hot stopper, send us your pictures and we'll pull together a photo archive

of the worst disasters that could have been prevented. Yeah. Had only Starbucks used hot stoppers. I mean, who knows? I mean, maybe the whole Exxon Valdez things could have been avoided if there was a big enough hot stopper. Yeah, I'm sure that's what they were just missing at the top of the ship. And they're just sailing around in the open seas with a little hole at the top. Oh, I'm sure this will never matter. If everything goes fine, if we just drive more carefully, we never have to worry.

How can we stop this oil getting out into the sea? I know, Captain. We'll use this giant hot stopper. Good work, Jim. There's been a bit of news, Gray. Yeah. Big news. Big news for someone who makes videos about the periodic table such as your good friend Brady.

Oh yeah? Yeah. Four new elements have been confirmed as official. The final four elements on the conventional periodic table actually. So now the people who have been responsible for synthesising these elements have been told, okay, you can name them. So we're going to have four new elements named probably within the next few months, I suspect. Okay. Two questions, two questions. So these are the elements that previously had those like

un, un, unium kind of names. That's correct. In fact, I'll tell you exactly what elements there are. Let me call this up. So the elements are 113, 115, 117, and 118. Just for people listening who aren't too into chemistry, I'll just really quickly explain what happens is it's not like someone has been digging in the ground and has found new elements. With these really big elements, they're like, they can't hold together. They're too big and they just fall apart in less than a second. So what they do is they create these huge particle accelerator machines and smash atoms into each other billions and billions and billions of times. And then just occasionally a couple will stick to each other.

They'll hit each other in just the perfect way and they'll stick for a second. And scientists can do certain observations to say, yep, 113 was there existing for a second and scientists can do certain observations to say yep 113 was there existing for a second or so and once all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed this organization called iupac which is in charge of the periodic table and stuff says okay done deal you did the job now you can give it a name so these four elements which are the only four that don't have names on the existing periodic table until they make it bigger and put another row on it yeah i was gonna say like i'm looking at a picture of periodic table right now and yeah there were always these

like gaps on the bottom of elements that we know should be there but aren't yeah in theory you can keep smashing protons together and so you could imagine a periodic table with an additional row we just never made it that way because it wasn't sensible yeah because you just you would have just had a whole row of fantasy elements right right okay but now they may they may do that and of course there is also is also the famed and possible island of stability where they think maybe at certain numbers, atoms can actually hold together for some time. So, there may be some numbers up high, maybe in the 130s where they don't just fall apart in a nanosecond. But anyway, that's not what we're here to talk about. The thing that i think is interesting was possible names for these four elements and i mean it is it is fantasy chemistry a bit because these are obviously going to be named for probably along more political and national no sure not sure not no no no i mean

113 is definitely going to have a japanese name because there's no japanese name on the periodic table and this was discovered by a Japanese collaboration. So, they're obviously going to take their chance to name an element after Japan or something like that. Japanium. Yeah. Well, yeah, it could be anything, you know, Nipponium or Nahanian or something, Tokioium, I don't know. But I imagine that's going to get a Japanese name. But 115, 117 and 118 are all done by this sort of Russian-American collaboration. So they have been showing form recently of going down very nationalistic grounds. And I have on good authority, this is wink-wink, you know, possible gossip,

that Moskovian is going to be one of them. Oh, interesting. But that's sort of just a rumour doing the rounds. Doing the rounds in the chemistry community. Moscovium sounds good. It's a good name. It does sound good, to be fair. But the Germans who synthesised a lot of elements, they recently named an element

Copernicium after Copernicus. And they could have named it Plankium or named it after a German, but they didn't. They named it after Copernicus. So, there is precedent for people saying, you know what, let's be big about this and name it after someone that deserves it rather than just being nationalistic. If it was up to you, if the Queen of Diamonds was given the authority to name an element. How has it become that the Queen of Diamonds is a title as opposed to the playing card that I am? When did this switch happen?

I don't know. I don't even know. When did anything happen? Are there any elements, are there any people or places or things you'd like to see honoured? Because I think being honoured with the name of an element, I mean, that's bigger than a Nobel Prize, I think. That's like, that's massive.

Would you rather have an element named after you or would you rather have the million francs of the Nobel Prize and the Nobel Prize? Element named after me. Really? Yeah. Really interesting. What about you?

Yeah, I think I just, I take the money and the career opportunities that a Nobel Prize would afford. What you don't think being the only living person with an element named after you, because elements can only be named after dead people, according to the rules. You don't think being a living person with an element named after you wouldn't provide marketing opportunities? Not very many. Not very many, no. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Maybe you're right. I think that's the kind of thing that it's like, oh, this is an interesting piece of trivia at a party. But if I have a career where I've won a Nobel Prize and I also have the million francs, this is something that means something to me. But the periodic table is immortality. There is someone who was asked that question who had both honours. And that was Glenn Seaborg.

Seaborgian was named after him. It was named after him while he was alive, which was an exception. And he won a Nobel Prize. And he said having the element named after him meant more to him and was the greater honour. Well, yeah, but he was also a chemist like it's it's a very like i'm not a chemist and sorry chemistry but you were always one of my least favorite sciences i was never very good at chemistry i i found it to be boring stamp collecting as all physicists do and so that's why like a periodic table okay i'll take the money is is what i will do i mean before before i get a million

tweets from everybody i have in my old age mellowed in my thoughts on chemistry and i'm much more fine with it now than i used to be so please please don't send me tweets being like oh you need to understand how important chemistry is it's like yeah i get it i get it you know but i used to be a real jerk about it well Well, that's sad. Any thoughts about names of elements? Anything? Well, so here's the problem. Because chemistry is not my strong suit, I would have a hard time coming up with a chemistry person who is not already honored on the periodic table.

Well, Copernicus wasn't a chemist. This decision was just taken that he was a great man of science and deserved to be honored on this icon of science. Yeah, I can see that. Copernicum, and that's not a great name. It's not a great name. I think people tend to say Copernicium. Oh, Copernicium? I think this is like the Americium, which I always thought was Americum. I was like, that's a terrible name for an element. It's Americum. That's awful. Yeah, Americium, yeah. You know, it's Americium, you idiot. Yeah.

When I'm thinking of scientists, of course, my favorite scientist is Feynman. Well, this is one that comes up a lot. Feynmanium is discussed a lot as a possible name. I was not 100% sure, actually, if you had one of the crazy elements at the end. But I think I'm confusing it with, what is it? It's 100 is Fermium. Fermium is the... Yeah yeah that's enrico fermi yeah that's uh because because we have who are actual scientists we've got curium all right we've got einsteinium yeah fermium yep mendelevium what else is there i'm just trying to go see borgium oh of course see borgium which i don't

i don't think i actually realized until your story was a person. Nobellium. Nobellium. Laurentium. Oh, you're good at this. Laurentium. Carbon, after Mr. Carbon. Yeah, gold after Ari Gold from Entourage.

Right. Perfect. I'm out. I'm tapped. Silver after David silver from beverly hills 90210 you're going deep now so yeah i mean i don't know i think but but the problem is that i i just like feinman and no small part because of his books and his stories and his just incredible captivating way of talking. Like I've seen all of the videos of him talking and listen to his physics lectures and everything. I'm a big Feynman fan. I don't know if I was a serious scientist and sitting

down and thinking like, wow, I have the responsibility of coming up with an element name. What am I going to pick? I don't know if I would pick Feynman. Copernicium is more possible because it's just like, oh, a great man of science from a long time ago seems very different to me than a modern physicist. I can't explain that very well, but it just seems right in my mind that that's- Yeah. I mean, Isaac Newton is not on the periodic table. Yeah. Yeah. And it feels like he shouldn't be. No, no, you're right. Can I just mention one other scientist that we forgot to mention having an element named after them?

Yeah. And that is Lisa Meitner and Meitnerium. And the only reason I want to mention that is because she was absolutely snubbed for the Nobel Prize when she shouldn't have been. And the one saving grace was they named an element after her to make it up for her. And if we then forgot to mention she had an element named after her, it would have been like deliciously ironic that she got forgotten again. So, I want to mention Lisa Meitner. Is that, that's 109 Meitnerium? Meitnerium?

Oh, I don't know. Yeah, you're right. It is. Boreum, Rutherfordium. Of course, there's a whole bunch that we're missing out on. We're bad at this. Yeah. Yeah. We're joking about silver.

Yeah. Stop, stop screaming at the podcast people. Yeah. I think all the chemists have checked out by now. But what about you, Brady? What do you think?

What do you think for the names? Do you know what? I asked you earlier to come up with some suggestions. And yeah, I haven't really got any of my own. I kind of like it when they name them. I don't know. I quite like them being named after places sometimes. But there's not many American places left, though. There's San Francisco-ium.

Well, they've got Bacallium named after Berkeley. That's what I was saying. San Francisco-ium. And they've got Californium. The one place that has been involved with this that hasn't been acknowledged is the facility at Oak Ridge in Tennessee. I mean, could we get Tennesseanium? I don't know. Tinium.

I don't know how to go. I mean, I like the sound of Plankium. And I think Max Planck was a pretty spot-on scientist. And he's close-ish to chemistry, sort of. Yeah. But then, you know, are Japanese, Russians, or Americans going to honour Max Planck? I doubt it. You know what?

We should go in a radically different way here. Why don't we just... Somehow we're in charge now, is in my mind. This flip just happened. I came up with an idea and suddenly decided I'm in charge now is in my mind this this flip just happened i came with an idea and suddenly decided i'm in charge hey we've got a post box let's have it decided with postcards why don't we just come up with new names like why does it doesn't have to be named after something like some like there's so many of the elements that the name is just what it is. Yeah, just call it like Zod. Well, that's General Zod from Superman, which might not be the best choice.

Yeah, he probably hasn't done enough to have an element named after him at this stage. No, no, he hasn't. Yeah. Although his viral video of being an angry college sorority girl was very good, but probably not. Not periodic table worthy. Yeah, exactly. It was very good, but probably not. Not periodic table worthy. Yeah, exactly. Not yet.

Yeah, but very good. It'd be Beckiam would be his element there. Like the early names of the elements, oxygen, helium, carbon, nitrogen, aluminum, silver, gold. These are words that mean something because they're just the sequence of sounds that are an element name. Why don't we just come up with another sequence of sounds? There are plenty of unused sequence of sounds. I think this is a radical direction that we need to go.

I think that's what I'm coming down on. I don't know why they've standardized it the way they have. There must be a reason for these EMs. Maybe it's just to make them obviously elements, but... But I'm thinking we need something else that's like a gold, right? Just a word. There's unused sounds. Inventing words, as a now famous inventor of words, I can tell you. You're a professional here.

Yeah. Inventing words is not easy though, is it? Yeah, but see, you are playing the game on hard mode, where you're trying to come up with word that you want to have spread throughout the general population. Whereas most people are never going to be casually referring to element 113 in their conversations. So you don't have to play that game. You just have to say, listen, we're the people deciding the names for the periodic tables. And it is such that 113 is now this sequence of sounds.

You can just declare it so. It's a much easier way to do it this way. It doesn't have to be catchy. So that's what I think. I think we need just arbitrary sequences of sounds for these new elements. That's my decision. Well, I enjoy discussing it, but obviously that's just ridiculous and not going to happen happen what do you mean it's not a ridiculous idea though it's not no it not a ridiculous idea it's not it's not ridiculous it would be unfair to call it ridiculous yeah exactly

it's a good idea it's not very workable do the scientists have the final say about what the name is going to be if so i hope they listen to this podcast. Oh, well, the Japanese people should just go freestyle and say it has to be a Japanese character. Yeah, that would be great. Yeah, that'd be cool. I would actually really like it if they do that. Japanese team, you know what you have to do. Just hanging out there at the bottom of the periodic table, this really overly complicated Japanese character, which means man with two shoes synthesizes elements

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Audible.com slash hellointernet. And thanks to Audible for sponsoring the show. All right. So bi-weekly weigh-in. Your favorite, Brady. Well, bi-weekly weigh-in. Your favourite, Brady. Well, that's interesting. I haven't got a weight for you. Why don't you have a weight for me? Why don't you have a weight? I haven't weighed myself today.

But have you weighed yourself recently? I weighed myself about a week ago, and I was pretty much the same as i was the previous time i weighed myself which kind of surprised me because of how much i ate over christmas but did you make it through the holidays without gaining weight i think i must have put a bit on but i think i'd already put a bit on before that and i just haven't i haven't done it gray but i but i have but i do want to talk about the fitatron Lifestyle. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Because I have been getting really energized about it, even though I sound like I don't care.

I was going to say, you're really cavalier about it. Well, first of all, let's do your way in. Are all the graphs heading in the right direction? Is it all good in the world of grey? Well, no, because when the Christmas season came around, I briefly toyed with the idea of trying to stay on target, stay on target for the holiday season, because I was approaching 200 pounds. The roast potatoes are getting too close. Yeah. And if you look at my weight chart, December 21st, I was at 203 pounds, which of course, I'm trying really hard to get under 200.

And I remember having this little mental conversation about like, man, I could just buckle down and I could make it to under 200 by January 1st. And I was like, nope, not going to happen. And so I immediately gained eight pounds over the holidays. And then I am losing it very quickly, but I'm back down to 206. But the bottom line is I'm still fatter than I was before the holidays. So that's the short version of my story. But it sounds like, you know, that's an acceptable bump and you're back on the horse.

Remarkably, yeah. Remarkably, the weight is coming off very fast again. And as we have discussed before on the podcast, one of the main skills of the Fitatron lifestyle is getting back on the wagon. Like, that is the skill that you are cultivating. I tell you what I have found just recently. Yeah. I haven't gotten my act together with food the way I want. And I know food is the most important thing to to you know really lose some weight and i do want to lose some weight but i also want to be healthier and the thing that i found really motivating and i'm not saying this you know i'm not saying buy a t-shirt or anything but i got my fitatron 5000

t-shirts the other day and since getting them i have found that really like inspirational oh yeah i've been and i've been wet and i've been putting them on and going to the gym and running but because of this arbitrary 5 000 number which you just pulled out of nowhere when we were when we were making it up on the spot i've just run with it and i'm running 5 000 meters every time i go to the gym like i get on the treadmill and I run 5,000 metres and I'm seeing if I can do it, how quickly I can do it. I'm trying to bring my times down. And the other thing that really inspired me

and also completely depressed me was Henry of MinutePhysics fame. He got a Fitatron 5000 t-shirt. And Henry, for those who don't't know is a very fit young man and quite the athlete and he made a video of himself wearing the fitatron 5000 t-shirt and he ran 5000 meters out in the snow and he actually ran over 5000 meters because that's just what he did and he ran it in this ridiculous time of less than 18 and a half minutes i mean he should be in the olympics yeah in fact i think i checked and there was a time when that would almost have been a world record yeah i'm not surprised um but and i'm never going to get anywhere near his time

but i have found it really motivating and i'm really enjoying going to the gym and and having this set distance i have to run and at the end of run, I take a photo of the time and then I come home and put it in a spreadsheet. And I've gotten really into it. And I know it's early days, but the last few days in particular, I've commented to my wife that I'm working really well and I'm having less fallow periods at work and I'm getting more done each day. And I said, I can't explain it, what's going on? And she said, oh, it's probably because you're running and exercising. And I was like, it probably is. I didn't even think of that.

And maybe this is, maybe like this is, you know, so maybe I'm not losing loads of weight, but maybe I'm moving some blood around. Oh, no, I sound like an idiot. I've just discovered that exercise is good for me. But this is the subjective experience of it, right? It sneaks in in an unexpected way that you cannot really notice until it's been happening for a

while. So, yeah, this is totally understandable. 5,000 meters is a really, I think is a really almost perfect distance. Like, I don't know if you're like some kind of genius or it was blind luck, but it's almost like you almost couldn't have picked a more perfect distance because, you know, it takes, you know, half an hour to run 5,000 meters. You know, if you're just an average runner, I guess, normal person, you know, more than half an hour, I guess, but it's taking me a little over half an hour, but I'm getting it down. So it's like, it's a good amount of time. It's not like, you know, some ridiculous marathon. It doesn't kill your body to do it semi-regularly. It's not so short that it's not worth the effort.

It's a very, it's a really good distance. So, yeah. So it's funny that you say this, Brady, because there's a thing that I had been keeping secret from you, which is just so strange to me that I can hardly even understand how or why I'm doing it. But I actually started trying to run. Right. And I know that people, you need to understand, I think I have literally not run except for occasional sprints in Dulles Airport for close connections and opposite ends of those

godforsaken terminals. But aside from that, I think I have literally not run for the entirety of my adult life. And just about a month ago, it just, it came into my head of like, why don't you try to run 5,000 meters? Like this idea came unbidden from nowhere, popped into my head. And my thought was, but I hate running. And then I thought about it more. And the thought was, but I hate running. And then I thought about it more. And the answer was, do I though? Like, do I know that I hate running? Like, I don't think I actually know. I think that I think I hate to run. And so I happened to be traveling and I happened

to be in Germany out of the blue, out of nowhere, I got a little training app for running. And I went outside to run in a park in Germany. It was just completely out of character and completely surprising to me. And since then, I have been very, very, very slowly trying to build up the amount that I run. And when I do it, I'm out there running and I'm still thinking, I think I don't like this, but I don't know. But I'm trying to get to the point where I can actually run 5,000 meters. And then I will feel like, well, then I can make an informed decision about whether or not I actually like running or I don't. But I too think that somehow like the Fititron 5000 lifestyle, in some bizarre way, like that number 5000 got into my brain. And I'm like, oh, I know there

are races that are 5k. And some part of my brain just decided, let's go for this. Like we don't run. And let's try to get to the point where I can run000 meters. And I am baffled by this behavior in myself, but here I am. Here I am. What sort of distances are you on at the moment? And what kind of speeds do you run at? When I run, Brady, my spirit animal is a turtle. Right. I have this little training program on my phone, which tries to be super gentle, where it's like, walk for seven minutes. And then after seven minutes, it beeps and it goes, okay, just jog very slowly for a minute. And then after the minute, it says, okay, go back to walking now. Walk for another five minutes, right? Like it's

trying to build you up. And when it got to the point where I had to run for five minutes in a row, I thought like I was going to die. Like I just, my body is so not built for running. At the moment, I'd have to look up the exact times, but it is taking me a hell of a long time to go 5,000 meters. And I am walking the vast, vast majority of it. But I feel like I'm just going to follow this little program and build this up slowly. And I think it's probably going to take like two months or something to get to the, maybe the point where I'm actually running 5,000 meters, but I'm fine going nice and slow. And yeah, so it's just, it's a thing that is unexpected to me. You're doing it outside. You're not doing it like on a treadmill. You're doing like

out in the wild. That's the other thing. I'm outside and I bought running pants, Brady, like the kind of pants that you see runners wear. Wow. Yeah. Like tight lycra. Yeah. Like tight lycra running pants.

I don't even know why I did this. You know, I was joking. You're actually wearing tight lycra running pants. Yeah, I really am. I have no idea why. It's like, I am totally confused by this. Yeah, so am I. Everybody's confused.

You don't have to wear tight lycra you don't you like shorts i just went into i went into a store and i did the whole thing with it where i'm like i told the sales guy i was like i've never run before ever and i just want to get some running shoes and some gear and i was like just tell me what i need to get and then i walked out of the store with a bunch of stuff sexy flanders yeah I am sexy, sexy Flanders. Do you know what? People say this, it's a bit of a cliche, and I'm going to say it now because it's actually true. And I found it true.

When I went, I got into running a little while back when I did a half marathon. And this is true for me on the individual run basis, but also on the big picture over the months you do it. At the start, you don't enjoy it and then you start to really love it. And that's true on an individual run. The first five minutes you think, oh, what am I doing? This is going to take forever. And then after about five to ten minutes of running, the rest of it is actually quite an enjoyable thing.

But also on the big scale, the first month or so of running, you're thinking, oh, this is such a grind. And then it becomes something you start looking forward to, if you can get through that first period. So, I'll be curious to see whether or not you have the same experience. Yeah, I am determined to stick with this. I haven't exercised over the past week because of the holiday and because of some various things, but I'm getting right back on tomorrow, actually, is the scheduled next run. I am determined to be able to, and again, by run, I mean jog like a turtle, but I am determined to be able to jog for 5,000 meters. And then at that point, I will decide if this is a thing that I want to keep doing or not keep doing. But yeah, it's an interesting experience. And I just,

I don't quite know how to describe it yet. And actually, just by total accident, the very first time that I went running, I didn't have any headphones with me. So, I was just outside without any music or anything. And I was talking to Henry, actually, because I was asking him for some beginner tips, because I figured if anybody knew about running, it was Henry. And his suggestion was to keep doing it without listening to any music, which would be my natural go to like, oh, yeah, I got to have some workout songs. And I don't know if anybody else wants to try doing running. I think Henry's right. I think doing it without music somehow feels like the correct thing to do. I can't quite explain it. It's like, it is sort of boring, but it just feels right. I think that's true for outdoor running. I'm not sure it's true for gyms. I'm going to agree with you there. I think if I was on a treadmill at the gym,

I would have to listen to something. But for running outdoors, it feels right to not have the headphones on. You've stuck with the headphone free, have you? You haven't gone to headphones since? I have not gone to headphones since. Ah, that's interesting. That's good. That's very interesting to hear. Yeah, it was just a coincidence, but Henry suggested that I keep trying it that way when I had accidentally done it the first time. And I thought, well, this man knows running, I'm going to follow his advice. And I think he's right. I think he's right. Do you wear your Fitatron 5000 t-shirt when you run? I have gear that fits me perfectly.

Has to be all your sexy, sexy Flanders lycra, does it? Also, because I'm out, like I'm out in the park running around and I'm in my sexy Flanders outfit. This is like the last time in the world I would ever want to be recognized by anyone. I have actually done all my 5,000 meters in. I'm yet to do one without my Fitatron 5,000 t-shirt. It has become like, it's become like I have to do it in it fitatron 5000 t-shirt it has become like it's become like i have to do it in it now have you been recognized at the gym no i haven't but i was actually out the other day uh doing i was doing two things i shouldn't have been doing i was stuffing my face with a five guys hot dog and then i went shopping for underwear. And then just after I finished, I thought, wow,

that would have been like a bad time to get recognised. And then I went on Twitter and someone wrote, I can't believe I just saw Brady Heron. And I said, oh, I was too, I said, I didn't have the courage to go up and say hello, but it was nice to see him. And I was like, oh, no, what was I doing? And so I replied and said, oh, you should have come up and said hello. It would have been nice to meet you.

And he said, oh, I didn't want to interrupt you. It looked like you were really enjoying that hot dog. And I thought it could have been worse. He could have been looking as I was perusing all the different underpants, deciding which colour I liked best. I don't know, man. That description of it looked like you were really enjoying that hot dog, that sounds pretty bad.

You weren't just eating and it's like, there's a man who's enjoying a hot dog. I can't interrupt him now. That's perfect. That's absolutely perfect. Yeah. Fititron lifestyle. Hot dogs acceptable.

Yeah. I feel a lot less guilty about hot dogs on days when I've done the 5,000 metres.