Hello Internet - H.I #80: Operation Twinkle Toes

Episode Date: March 28, 2017

Grey and Brady talk about operation twinkle toes, the HI post box receives an awesome surprise, prisencolinensinainciusol, Brexit begins, who would be worse at politics, horse sports, the fitotron lifestyle, Sully but not Westworld Brought to You By: Hover: The best way to buy and manage domain names. 10% off. Fracture: Photos printed in vivid color directly on glass. Squarespace: Use code HELLO for 10% off your website Listeners like YOU on Patreon Show Notes: CGP Grey the penguin Operation Twinkle Toes Unshoeboxing the Hello Internet Sneakers A very special HI flag In Afganistan Presidential peanuts (2) and kisses HI Honor badges Flag of Denmark Prisencolinensinainciusol Man dies charging iPhone while in the bath Theresa May rejects Nicola Sturgeon's referendum demand Starcraft: Actions per minute Sully Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961

All right, Hello Internet, uh, 80? 80? Hello Internet 80, I think. What's that in Roman numerals? Q? I think it's a Q. That's the way that works. What? That can't be right. Let's see, is C 100 or is L 100? C's 100, L's 50. Don't you watch the Super Bowl, Brady?

So it's either LXXX or it's XXC. Do we take the 20 from the 100 or add the 30 to the 50? I think we take the 20 from the 100. Are you trying to be economical with letters? Isn't that how that works? No, it's LXXX. See? Huh.

Yeah. There's always those exceptions. Like how 8 is VIII and not IIX. Well, this is why the Romans couldn't do algebra. I don't know. I don't know why they went that way, but that's the way it is. I think they got stuck this way, right?

They started a system. It seemed like a good idea at the time. But then when they're trying to solve for X, it turns out to be incredibly difficult with Roman numerals. Or it's like their version of the millennium bug and they never thought they'd need to get to a hundred. Well, we never thought the numbers would get this big. We thought we'd just chuck three on the end.

We didn't think we'd get to the point where we had to take two from something big. Yeah. But now that we need to, we need to do the Pythagorean theorem. We're in real trouble. We're going to need a patch. So the hell with it. Just throw this all away. Ooh, look at these shiny Arabic numerals. This is much easier. You know me though. I like a few little quirks in a in a system i like a few inconsistencies yeah yeah but i don't think you want inconsistencies in numbers like if there's if there's one area where we can surely agree that you must have consistency it's with numbers you're not really going to be like oh there's a bit of a charm to the old roman system we should be using it today yeah i guess you're right can i wish a happy

birthday to cgp gray not cgp gray the co-host of hello internet and very occasional release of youtube videos right but cgp gray the penguin at bristol zoo oh has just had a second birthday she has just had her second i was gonna say what's this what's this it nonsense we know it's she's two years old now and do you know what i just just before we started recording i had a little pang of guilt about cgp gray the penguin yeah how often have you visited her brady yeah do you know what it reminds me of you know when you go on holiday sometimes or you have some like intense experience and you meet like new friends or people you haven't met before. And at the end of the trip, you like exchange details and you think you're just going to be friends forever.

Like, oh, I'll contact you and we'll see each other again one day and we'll go on another holiday. And you have all these grand ideas. And then you maybe exchange one email and then like you never hear from that person again. You can't even remember them or their name. Who but you would actually think that you're going to maintain friendships over a long distance? Sometimes you feel that because you've had such a good time with them and you've gotten along so well. You think they're going to be your friend for life. I know.

I know. I know you feel that, Brady. I know that you feel that. Everybody who's human feels that. But surely, you you know it's like maintaining a friendship via email it's never going to happen there are people I would love to maintain friendships with via email people I do occasionally have like pangs of guilt for not sending more emails to but the reality of it is like this isn't the 1800s like we can't maintain

a correspondence through letter writing like it's just never going to happen yeah but you think that's just going to be a stop gap between having another great holiday together because you just had such a good time and I'll come and visit you in Peru. Look, I'm not saying when I think about it in the cold light of day, like I can't see what happens and it's happened to me so many times in life, I should know better, but it still just happens. It still just happens. And my point is that's a bit how i feel about cgp gray the lady penguin because i sort of thought oh i'm so close to bristol zoo i could go back like maybe every six months or so just for half a day and take a few photos and see how she's doing and keep everyone up to date and

yeah i remember at the time there were there were many a promise from brady about updates about how she was doing over time. We were going to get health reports on the weight. And it's like, no, nothing ever happened. Well, I did one big update. I did the gender update and the weigh-in and everything. That's it. That's the one email that you send when you think, oh, let me kick this off.

And she never wrote back. That's part of the problem. Partly in my defense, if i can have one little tiny bit of defense my contact at the zoo who made it all happen and even made the naming happen has left the zoo for new pastures so i did i did lose my easy contact there so now approaching the zoo is a little bit like i'm going in cold as a stranger again but it is also just my terribleness and i feel a little bit bad and i'm also secretly in the very back of my head, a little bit scared of finding out maybe like something terrible has happened.

And I kind of don't want to know. I mean, I'm sure penguins don't die very often. Yeah, but there was that seal cage right next door, you know. It seemed like it was really dangerous proximity. Seals don't attack penguins, do they? I think they do. Don't they eat penguins? I mean, the lions are only 400 meters away or so.

Yeah, but I'm sure a lion isn't interested in a penguin. Oh, you chuck a penguin in the lion cage and see what happens. Yeah, they won't know what it is. They'll be really confused, right? It's different terrain creatures. They don't interact. They'll be like, oh, I don't like licorice. Yeah, exactly.

That's how that would work out. I understand that feeling. You want CGP Grey, the lady penguin, to live on forever in your mind, having a fantastic life, swimming around, doing whatever she's up to. Yeah. Living forever or however long penguins live. I don't know. 18 months?

What's their lifespan? I have no idea. Oh, gosh. Then she could be dead hang on how long does a penguin live i'm looking that up just messy how long does a penguin live what's your guess what's your serious guess my serious guess um and i'll make a guess first before i look it up okay i'm gonna i'm gonna put my serious guess at 10 years i'm gonna go 15 is this prices right is it closest without going over is that what we're gonna do we're in trouble here because an emperor penguin apparently lives for

20 years and a little penguin lives for six years they can live anywhere between 6 and 27 years okay well what what species is cgp gray the penguin oh that's a good that's a good point uh what is it it's like an an African penguin, isn't it? I think so. That sounds familiar. We haven't kept up a correspondence, so I don't know the details of her family lineage. The average lifespan of an African penguin

is 10 to 27 years, and they can live up to 30 years in captivity. So CGP Grey the lady penguin may well outlive me. I don't know what I'm worried about. If CGP Grey the lady penguin outlives you, I don't know what I'm worried about if CGP Grey the lady penguin outlives you I will take a visit to the zoo right in your honor that would be like that would be your way of remembering me yeah exactly it'll be a little remembrance for you just like that holiday friendship thing though it'll be like you know after I'm gone you'll forget and you'll never do it and like 10 years after I'm gone you'll be forget and you'll never do it. And like 10 years after I'm gone, you'll be, I really must go and visit that penguin one day.

I'm terrible. The guilt of long distance friendships. Now, Grey, I want to quickly just talk about the Halo Internet limited edition sneakers. Mainly because I just realized that I haven't got you to give the project a cool name yet. Like their vinyl was called Project Revolution. Can you come up with a name for the sneaker project?

Oh, it seems kind of pointless now though, Brady. It's over. No, it's still going. They're still going to be like manufactured and orders are still coming in. Yeah, but like I've seen them in real life. They're being manufactured. You've taken orders.

If this is way too far in the life cycle of a project to give it a project name. But whenever I bring it up, I need a name. I can't always say, I want to talk about the Hello Internet limited edition sneakers. It has to, and by the way, my wife tells me off for calling them sneakers because that's not a very British thing to call them, but it's too late now. Why does she tell you off? I don't know. I think maybe she thinks I should be calling them trainers. I've got a possible name. Oh yeah. Well, what I was just

trying to look up, I was, I was thinking Mercury has those little wings on his feet. I was trying to think, is there a name for those little wings? Like that could be a project name. Oh yeah. Well, what I was just trying to look up, I was I was thinking Mercury has those little wings on his feet. I was trying to think, is there a name for those little wings? Like that could be a project name. Oh, yeah. Or it could just be Project Mercury. What do you think, Brady? Do you have one you like? I was thinking maybe Operation Twinkle Toes. Done. OK. If you want to call it Operation Twinkle Toes, that's fine. I'm trying to reach for like an obscure Greek reference here. It's like, no, Operation Twinkle Toes, much better. There you go.

I mean, I know you like the cool names and I'm up for a cool name as much as the next guy. But I don't know, for some reason in my head, I just keep coming back to Operation Twinkle Toes. Here's the important thing about a project name. It has to feel right. Yeah, it has to feel right. And Project Twinkle Toes, it feels right. I think Operation Twinkle Toes. Operation Twinkle Toes. important thing about a project name it has to feel right yeah it has to feel right and project twinkle toes it feels right i think operation twinkle toes operation twinkle toes there we go operation twinkle toes so quick update on operation twinkle toes uh-huh as as you said uh

the first two pairs are now in existence and in my possession and are even being worn by me right now not Not right now. Oh. But I was wearing them yesterday when I saw you, so you got to see them in real life. I did. I saw them in real life. When you came through London after filming some objectivity. I was originally thinking, oh, Brady's in town.

Do I really want to go see him for a drink? I don't know. That's a bit meh on the whole evening, to be honest. But when you did then send me the message telling me that you had the sneakers, I thought, oh, okay, I should go out and see him. I want to see what these things actually look like. And I was very glad that I made the journey. What did you think of them in real life? I think they look really good in real life. It's always different when you see a thing for real, right? The internet, as fantastic as it is, can never quite convey the physical presence

of a thing like in on all of the pictures i was a little bit uncertain about the thickness of that white soul but in real life i think it came out great so i have to say two thumbs up for project operation twinkle toes i can't believe how much i love them. You're smitten, Brady. You're smitten. I am. I am smitten. I'm just like, I'm in love. So I've got one pair that I'm wearing. I've got another pair I'm keeping in the box for the museum. Yeah.

But I can't rule out cracking the other ones out of the box when my current ones die. Well, you said you were going to get a whole bunch of spares, right? A whole bunch of redundant sneakers. Wasn't that the plan? You were going to order like 10 for yourself so that you always have a lifetime supply i don't remember saying that that sounds familiar i think that's what you that's pretty sure that's what you said it's not something i would do but i don't know maybe i do need an extra pair and despite me telling people not to order them and i meant it when i said it quite a few

people have um not like an embarrassing number just like a nice number enough for me to feel like the project was like worth doing because if no one ordered any and i was the only person who owned a pair it would feel a bit stupid but knowing there are other pairs out there a nice modest number of other people wearing them it feels like we made a thing that was nice so i'm really happy with how it's gone do you have an estimated shipping date for the sneakers? Do you know when they're going to be out in the real world? I don't think it's going to take that long. I'm going to close off like this round of orders shortly, just so I can get the factory to start making them. I went and visited the factory, by the way, I'm going to get the factory making them. And then I'll,

I'll keep orders open for a bit longer for a second batch. Cause as people start seeing pictures of them, they might think, oh, I think I want a pair. But like I said, don't feel like you need to have them. I think it's just basically the shoe enthusiasts and sneaker heads have spoken. And they're the ones who've gotten themselves a pair. So I'm happy that they're happy. I'm happy they're happy as well.

It's been really nice. Crazy Brady Project made real. We have been sent the coolest thing we have ever been sent. We get sent some weird stuff to the hello internet post box. Yeah. We, again, you get sent some weird stuff to the hello internet post box.

The very, the very weirdness of some of the things that you get sent is the very reason I do not have, nor do not want a hello internet post box by me. I feel like I'll let you deal with all the things that you get sent is the very reason i do not have nor do not want a hello internet post box by me i feel like i'll let you deal with all the stuff that shows up there has been some weird stuff but this thing is so awesome it's gonna blow your mind oh really now this has come from someone you will be familiar with because when i finally have the hallow internet medals of honor struck and that that is another project that is ongoing it is that project that there has been progress there by the way that needs a name gray what are we going to call the metal project i'm sorry i'm

sorry i just i have to stop here brady because when you were talking about the penguins i didn't want to say anything out of pure politeness but i was thinking about those medals in the back of my mind. I was like, I wonder if Brady remembers those. I wonder if he forgot about those medals. No, no, there are ongoing discussions. There's work being done on this project. This is not a forgotten project, but it hasn't got a name. Maybe that's what's wrong.

It hasn't got a name. So do you want to give it a name? First thing that comes to mind, Project Vulcan. I feel like they're being forged. Yeah, it's all right. It's okay. We can find something better later, but just for now. Okay.

Working title Vulcan. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Anyway, when those medals finally are forged somewhere in the bowels of the Mighty Black Stump, I'm assuming, the first recipient is going to be a chap named Chris. And Chris will be remembered by long-time listeners as the person who used to work near Air Force One on the stairs and used to listen to Hello Internet while driving the stairs for Air Force One or sitting in the stairs for Air Force One, waiting to drive

them. Yeah, he was very clear about not driving the stairs while listening exactly important exactly very important to not get him fired so chris has raised the bar with with a special gift that he sent us i'm gonna send you a photo gray so you can see it so i got this huge box what is this what you're looking at is a framed hello internet flag a nail and gear flag and underneath the flag is a as a certificate of authenticity which i think is a cute touch but which also has the purpose of explaining what the flag is and i'll read what the certificate says to you okay it says this is to certify that on august the 6th 2016 this hello internet flag was flown on board vc25 tail number 28000 call sign air force one from joint base andrews maryland to otis Air National Guard Base, Massachusetts.

So this Hello Internet nail and gear was flown aboard Air Force One. Wow. Which I think is pretty cool. That is pretty cool. But as if that's not cool enough, Chris was then, because Chris is obviously a member of the armed forces, and he was deployed elsewhere. He no longer works with Air Force One, and he was deployed elsewhere he no longer works uh with air force one and he was sent to afghanistan so we can't say exactly what and where and what he did for for operational reasons

but it did also fly on a c-17 globe master 3 and a c-130j cargo and passenger aircraft used by the air force and then it was dragged from pillar to post around afghanistan wow so i'll send you a picture of chris holding the flag while deployed in afghanistan so this this flag's had some adventures that looks like a flag in deployment that's for sure yeah holy cow got a big gun as well, all sorts. That's a cool picture. So there we go. This is a very special nail and gear flag that deserves full respect and should not be allowed to touch the ground.

And I won't touch the ground because he's had it all framed up. And the thing that's interesting was he sent it from Afghanistan. So he had to find someone in Afghanistan to do all the framing for him. And it's been amazingly well framed, really professional so in some village somewhere in afghanistan he's taken in this flag and said can you frame this up and then he sent it from there

to me here in england if this flag could talk the stories it would tell hey it's amazing this is this is fantastic i always love seeing the nail and gear flag flying in crazy locations. But this really is a step further than it's a certificate of authenticity for Air Force One. That's fantastic. good sent to you i'm embarrassed to say he also threw in the box as a little as a little wink wink extra and it's perhaps the thing that excited me most a whole bunch of packets of official president obama peanut m&ms you know with the presidential logo and stuff on them that you always hear about so i've got official president m&ms wait i don, I don't know what... Do you mean that the president has an individual logo? Or you just mean the president's logo? No, they make M&M's and they also make Hershey Kisses. They make like little packets of M&M's for the president.

And they come in like a little box with... I have never heard about this. Have you not heard of this? It's like a big deal. Is that the sound of opening the presidential M&M's there, Brady? Yeah, and here's the sound of opening yeah the presidential m&ms there brady yeah and here's the sound of me eating them they're very old so i probably shouldn't be doing this but here we go so it's it's a box of m&ms with the president's logo and the president's signature below it yeah so you have barack obama signed presidential m&m box

i've never heard of this so is this something like they just pass out on air force one i guess i think if you meet the president sometimes you get them and they're like a little souvenir yeah when you meet the president he shakes your hand and he's and he gives you like a little wink and he slides you a box of m&ms as a little chocolate reward i think that's kind of how it goes okay i bet you there's a whole bunch of stuff about it. And I'll send you one other thing that was in the package, which was also really interesting. Oh, it looks like those Hershey Kisses have a little American flag wrapper. The best flag, the most loved flag in the world. Fantastic. Yeah, we'll come to that in a minute. It is. Best flag, most loved flag. So the other

thing, and I've just sent you a picture, and these are like Velcro patches which have had embroidered on them. One is the nail and gear and one is the HI logo. Boy, you really did get a box full of goodies. I did. But the thing about these, I said, what were these patches all about? And what these are is in the military, you have unit patches that you wear on your uniform, but most people also sneak on what they call morale patches, which are usually something, he says in his email, which are usually something crude, funny, meaningful,

or all of the above. The Afghans on base make custom patches, so I thought it would be cool to have the HI flag and logo made. Not the best quality, but unique. So these are morale patches that have been made in Afghanistan by Afghans on the base for our soldier. I've got to say, I think in particular, the nail and gear makes a pretty badass morale badge.

It does. That looks pretty awesome. It's cool. It's cool. So all these pictures of this stuff are in the show notes for people that want to look at them, and they're well worth a look. It's cool. It's cool. So all these pictures of this stuff are in the show notes for people that want to look at them and they're well worth a look. That's interesting. I'm glad you enjoy getting boxes of treasures, Brady.

When Operation Project Working Tidal Vulcan comes to an end, not only do I think Chris has to get a medal, he has to get whatever the next one up is like with a cluster of acorns or whatever the whatever the upgrade is on a medal of honor yeah i have to say this this stuff is absolutely fantastic thank you chris thank you thank you very much really enjoy it really enjoyed all that above and beyond this episode of hello internet is brought to you in part by hover get 10 off your first purchase by going to hover.com slash hi. When you have an idea that you want to make real in the world and you want a website for that idea, Hover

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to get 10% off your first purchase. They're the registrar you should use. They're the registrar I use.. They're the registrar I use. Thanks to Hover for supporting the show. We talked about, was the American flag the most loved flag in the world by its people? Have you seen a lot of feedback on this, Grey? Have you had any thoughts? Some people sent some things in, right? Some limp noodle kind of responses of like oh i think people really like the flag of denmark oh there's lots of flags in the isle of man but like as far as i'm concerned the volume of responses that we got is an indicator that the american flag truly is the most loved flag in the

world because if i think we were doing it in the reverse way if we were saying something like oh the union jack is the most loved flag in the world we would have heard from every american alive there would have been just a crushing tsunami of feedback so as far as i'm concerned the limited feedback on a couple of minor suggestions of places that really love their flag i'm not convinced i don't think they anybody really sold their point the american flag obviously most loved flag in the world i have a different perspective oh do you hmm because i've seen a lot of feedback on this lots of people made the cases for various flags sort of canada came up quite a bit yeah canada was probably the closest i would say no no no no no oh excuse, excuse me, excuse me. Without doubt, the people who made the most noise,

and you're right, because we were using America as the start point, we were less likely to have Americans contact us. That is a good point you make. But I'll come back to that in a minute. But without doubt, the people I heard from the most and the people who made the most vociferous case were Scandinavians from various countries norway came up a lot sweden a bit and this is backed up very much actually by the postcard referendum because if you look at the

front of the postcards which we didn't do very much during our count for obvious reasons yeah many many scandinavians sent postcards that were just various photos of their flags. And when I go through them now for the podcast postcard website, I'm always seeing Scandinavian flags. But amongst the feedback we got, and you mentioned it, without doubt, Denmark came up the most often. Yeah, that was the one that I saw the most of, I think. Danish people definitely love their flag. I've been looking at it a little bit, and I can see various reasons for it. One is, and I didn't realise this, apparently it is the flag that holds the record

for being the oldest continuously used national flag, which is, I can see why that's something they would take some pride in. I think Denmark has a fair claim to it, definitely anecdotally, and you can read a lot about it, and it's got a name, and they talk all about it. maybe denmark maybe denmark when it comes to the united states

definitely their flag's a big deal you know gonna i'm not gonna argue against that but for me i could be wrong about this but i feel a little bit like with americans americans just love america so much and love being american and they're kind of frustrated and that they need to find a way to show their american-ness and that's what they use the flag for so like i sometimes think that kind of overt love of the american flag and american flags everywhere is is not so much a love of the flag for the flag itself but for just the love of their country whereas the denmark flag love does seem a lot more disconnected from being Danish. And it's just, we just think our flag is beautiful.

And it's like got this great history. And we like using it for decorating our Christmas trees and things like that. Like they just like their flag. It's not, you know, Denmark, yeah, we're Danish. Let's put Danish flags over everything because we're the best country. It's more just we think our flag's beautiful and it's got a great story and a great history. And I know America has a bit of that too. But America, it's a lot more used as just like this device for showing their love of the country.

And I think that's an important difference. I don't know, man. I feel like you're trying to create another category here so that you can have a win for denmark like this whole like oh i'm going to i'm going to come up with this thing about the danish people loving their flag is like an independent thing separate from the nation of denmark as opposed to all you americans like i'm not buying your story here brady i do agree with you like americans love the american flag because they love america yeah but that's what this is right the flag is it's a thing it's a literal flag to wave for whatever team you're associating with that's what this is, right? The flag is a thing. It's a literal flag to wave

for whatever team you're associating with. That's what it is. But I don't think that's what the Danish are doing. I think they're a little bit more dispassionate about it. And I think they're more just, we think it's got a great story and we like how it looks. Their dispassion sounds like less intense love. That's what it sounds like. Yeah, they're sitting in a cultural museum in Scandinavia going, quite, yes, what a lovely flag, right? But Americans, I mean, they're plastering it all over everything. They've got pants with the stripes. They've got funny

hats. I think the American love is obviously the most intense in the world for their flag. I'm going to let it go. Score one for Team America. Okay, you can have it. I don't agree. And I think I could make more points, but maybe we'll save it for another day because it's only follow-up.

Now, we talked about what does English sound like to non-English speakers. A good way of putting it, which we didn't put it at the time, but I think I've since seen you put it, what does English gibberish sound like? Mm-hmm. And people sent us various videos and

gray posted a video and i've seen all sorts of things but there was one video that was sent by a person who i don't know and i tried to find out who it was because i wanted to thank them but it's been lost in the mists of time but they sent me this video and i'm so glad they did because it has become my one of my all-time favorite YouTube videos. And I reckon I must have watched it 20 times this week. It's a song by someone called Adriano Selentano. And how would you say the title of this song, Brady? I'll pass on that.

Yeah, you're going to pass? Because it looks like a big nonsensical word to me. But this Italian guy, apparently, is like a really big deal in Italy. He's like this famous actor, director, musician, singer, comedian. He sounds like he's a bit of everything. And this video is him. It looks like it was filmed, this clip I've got of it, it looks like it was filmed at like some live tv show and it's just a performance where he's pretending to kind of like

be a school teacher in front of a classroom which are all in fact kind of you know dancing women at desks and he sings this song to them and they sort of sing along as well and it's english gibberish it's i've i read a description of it somewhere where it was basically, he wrote this song from when he couldn't speak English, but he used to always listen to American songs, and he sort of thought they all kind of sounded a bit the same, and even though he didn't understand it, they had a sound to them,

and this is him just making the sounds of American songs, and he sings this song on stage, and I bloody love it. I gotta say I hadn't seen this before it is fantastic like we got inundated with a bunch of different versions of what does English sound like videos and all of them are I mean obviously I can't actually know because like English is the only language I speak but a lot of them it doesn't sound right to me or it feels like I don't know how accurate that is, like I'm just not impressed with them. I would say that this video feels like it really does capture something and I think

the fact that it's a song really helps. It's like allowing you to unfocus a little bit on the words and go for the sounds. Because it's a really common thing anyway for us, isn't it, to listen to a song and not really... And, like, you could listen to a whole song and I could say to you, oh, great, what was that song about? And you're like, oh, I don't know, I wasn't really listening to the words. Like, I know it was in English because I heard the odd word and I enjoyed it, but I don't know what it was about and I didn't really hear it.

And that's what this is like. It's like you're listening to it, think it's a really good song and yeah it's English because he seems to be saying the odd word that I hear is English but when you sit there and say what is he actually singing and listen to it word for word you realize it's just absolute nonsense yeah so it's absolute genius and it's a really cool song it is fantastic it does have this weird quality of being like a generic song. Like, I feel like I've heard this song a thousand times, but this is a new thing.

The video is also just bizarre. His mannerisms, the schoolgirls, the whole thing has that quality of like, am I high watching this? It's very weird, but I think that really adds to it. And as an English speaker, this is the thing that to me, I feel like, comes closest to conveying a sense of what it must be like to hear English if you don't actually understand English. And it's interesting to hear you say that he wrote it when he didn't speak English. So maybe that's partly what captures it as well. He's just trying to go for a song that sounds like all of these things that he hears. So yeah, it's really fantastic.

It'll be in the show notes. People should definitely check it out. It's worth watching as well as just hearing. It is worth watching. Apparently his nickname in Italy is Molleggiato, which means the flexible one because of his dancing, which makes sense if you see his dancing. It's quite funny.

But go on, Greg, be naughty. You're going to play a little bit of it, aren't you? that's fair use that's fair use i tell you what i've sat here watching it so many times i love it i love it. I love it. So, Grey, I've got a bit of follow-up that dates back to, it must be one of our first ever episodes where we talked about electricity in bathrooms oh yeah do you remember this not really no i was kind of banging on about electricity i can't even remember what we were talking about either but i do have to say like just as a slight side note here we have definitely reached the point where just the past

couple days on twitter people were sending me things that were obviously follow-ups to the show and i'm like i have no idea what you're talking about or what you're referencing right it's like we've done it so long i'm getting follow-up items for things like i don't remember what i could have ever said on this topic but obviously we discussed it at some point in the past so this is definitely falling into this category of like electricity in the bathrooms. We discussed that. I'll take your word for it. Well, my memory was I was bigging up the danger of electricity in bathrooms and the danger that people could die from the mixture of electricity and water.

And you were downplaying it. That sounds like my opinion. Yeah. I'm not going to claim like a one-off story changes anything. But there was an interesting news story that lots of people pointed out and because it involved iphones as well i thought it was worth a nod and that was the story of a man in the uk who has sadly died while in the bath and he was electrocuted by his iphone which he was charging. I'm immediately suspicious of this whole story. Oh, no, this is totally legit.

It was like a coronial inquest in that. Let me put it this way. It's not that I'm suspicious that the story exists. I feel like I need the details of this. I'll give you some. Okay. What exactly happened here? He plugged the charger into an extension cord from the hallway and then rested it on his chest while using the phone.

Okay. So he's not actually using the electricity in the bathroom. He's plugging into the electricity outside of the bathroom. Yeah, but I thought you said it was okay to have electricity in the bathroom. In the UK, I know there's a whole bunch of like weird additional requirements about like what electrical sockets you can have in the bathroom. Like there's additional annoyances about electricity in the bathroom, at least in the UK. Which this guy was obviously circumventing by putting an extension cord.

Like, oh, your safety measures, the hell with this. So he had the phone on his chest, arm and hand, and part of it touched the water. And then he was really badly burned and really badly injured. And he died, of course. So it sounds like it was pretty it was pretty horrific the coroner said these seem like innocuous devices but can be as dangerous as a hair dryer in the bathroom they should attach warnings i intend to write a report later to the makers of the phone okay yeah you do yeah you do that buddy yeah let's you know i'd love to have a warning on absolutely everything.

That's what we need. More written warnings that nobody pays attention to. I mean, I think this person was doing a silly thing. But as you know, I'm very paranoid about electricity in bathrooms. My question with this, and the thing that is confusing to me is, where's the circuit breaker in all of this? I want to know, what was this cable plugged into on the other end? Yeah, and was it like a pirate cable or was it like a legit Apple one as well? I'm not clear on.

I think the UK fuses it up a bit too much. Like there's a fuse in the plug head, right? There's a fuse in the circuit breaker for your house. Like there's a fuse for the circuit breaker in the room. When you're telling me that like a dude is running a cable out of his bathroom into some other, and he electrocuted himself to death, I just want to know where was the circuit breaker? ground fault circuit interrupters, which are faster and which are handy for appliances and water. And because obviously he was circumventing that by plugging it in outside the bathroom, he made matters worse for himself. So don't plug things into electricity and lead cords into your bathroom and then put the cord over the lip of the bath into the bath full of water you're lying in, I think is the take home message from that yeah maybe i just i feel like there's some missing piece to this story like he was doing something dumber than it sounds like just from

this description i feel like there's a missing piece to this i'm not encouraging that people do dumb things electricity in the bathroom either like i'm not on the opposite side of that i just feel like there's something in this story that is incomplete, is this nagging feeling that I have. But I don't know. If someone was charging their iPhone, and so ultimately the phone was attached in some way to the mains electricity, and they were in the bath, and the phone was anywhere near the bath, I would lose the plot.

I would go crazy if I saw someone doing that. So you would obviously be a little bit more relaxed about it. Yeah, I'd be asking all kinds of questions about like, do you have all the proper fuses in place? Ah, you do? Okay, I wouldn't worry. Anyway, thanks to everyone who also sent it to us. It shows that even things from episode,

I don't know, it must have been one of the first few episodes, still coming up. People have good memories. People have good memories. No, it's not that people have good memories, Brady. It's that somebody is always listening to the show right at that time. That's what's happening, right? It's not that people have good memories, Brady. It's that somebody is always listening to the show right at that time. That's what's happening, right? It's not that people remember.

It's this wave of people who are working their ways through the show from the beginning. That's what's occurring there. Either the day after this podcast goes out or just when people are listening to it, that Brexit, the official notice, is going to actually be served. Supposedly on the 29th of March, Brexit is going to happen for real. Article 50 has been triggered.

Brexit is real. This is a thing that I was very wrong about because I kept personally thinking there's no way it's going to actually happen. I was expecting there's going to be delays and delays forever. That it's just like it's all words, words, words until the thing actually happens. So this is a case where like the thing is definitely happening. And I have to say this is like of this is the most surprising political thing to me.

And it's like, well, I guess it's really going to be here and I am surprised. And I also think, I'll put the link to Theresa May's interview about why Scotland shouldn't have an independence referendum. Now is not the time, Gray. Now is not the time. No, now's not the time. We can't have a referendum where you don't know what the results are going to be on the other side, Brady.

That would be crazy. Scotland wouldn't want to do that no no not not at all um scotland if you're listening i'm still saying i think you should run right that's that's still my opinion like get out while you can guys you know if brexit hadn't happened the campaign for another vote on it would already be sort of starting, right? Yeah, of course. Let's have another vote. Just like how Scottish independence didn't happen and they found an excuse to discuss it again. In Australia, when they wanted to become a republic and it didn't happen,

talk starts about doing it again and stuff like that. It seems like when change doesn't happen, people just start wanting it. But the minute we voted for change, there was no correspondence being entered into about having a second vote on that it's like we're doing it we're doing it we're pressing the button right now like it's a funny thing isn't it it's the same with all these things like uh like the people don't accept the umpire's decision and then until and then when the umpire's decision goes a certain way, we all go crazy. So there we go. We're leaving the EU.

So I still haven't applied for my Irish passport. I must do that. Oh, I forgot you were going to do that. Yeah. My wife is busy working through some UK citizenship papers just in case. So yeah, we're just working on a contingency plan just in case. So try to make things nice and smooth. I find it amazing i find it amazing that you start this two-year process to leave and start the negotiation with like no there's no safety net or anything it's just like you're you're in

the i can't imagine being in a weaker negotiating position than the uk is in like they're in the they're in like such they got nothing all they've got is we buy a lot of german cars that's all we've got and like you know i don't think germany's gonna give us you know and germany's that hasn't got the final say on anything anyway so but that's the only argument i ever hear for europe giving us any anything at all is oh they kind of need us because we buy a lot of cars we don't buy that many cars no it's it's astounding uk does seem to be in a terrible negotiating position uh like the worst ever uh but theresa may is still super confident i hope she's right you know i i hope she's right

i want to be really really wrong on this i want the uk to do amazingly well uh as an independent wales glint like i hope it does fantastically i think theresa mays is such a strange position because i don't think she's that passionate about it like she was never she wasn't pro brexit before the election but obviously it made her prime minister because cameron then went it's a bit like if you it's a bit like if i made a YouTube video about clouds and it got a hundred million views and I became the cloud guy,

Brady Haran, the guy that made the hundred million view cloud video, what's he going to do next? And suddenly I would find myself having to be like a cloud YouTuber and all my videos are about clouds because it's what made me. And that's what's happened to her. She's like... I know people that's happened to her. She's like, oh. I know people that's happened to, essentially.

Yeah, yeah. This really does happen on YouTube. Like, guess what? This is you forever now. Yeah, you become known for something. And that's what's happened to her. It was she, Brexit is her clouds video. And now she's like, she has to just go all in like yeah yeah it made me

prime minister i love brexit we're gonna do it we're going all the way even though she's not that into it it's gonna be a fun two years i'm sure oh it's gonna be a car wreck six months top we'll have it all wrapped up negotiations will be done nice bow on top of it the eu will be very happy to work with us on all of our demands uh it's going to be fantastic oh well you could always move back to america it's great over there or i can move to the eu you got options there's no more english speaking countries in the eu for the for you though is there ireland ireland speaks english oh yeah and the netherlands speaks english much. They speak better English than us. Yeah.

Whenever I go there, as far as I can tell, everybody speaks English. Yeah. I like Dutch people. Yeah, Dutch people are the best. Yeah. Hoggeslag. Fantastic. Two thumbs up.

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just become funnily enough the editor of a major newspaper in london he's like growing industry yeah he's been appointed editor of a newspaper which in itself is full of weird conflicts and that so i think until now until now i think people have been kind of all right about mps having other jobs if they're like a doctor or a lawyer or something but this one like i think was a step too far so let's put the whole issue into the spotlight but I find it completely strange anyway that members of parliament can even have other jobs like it just says to me like being a member of parliament doesn't shouldn't be a part-time job to me it just makes it seem like it's just a big soft job anyway that you've got time to go and

you know you should be representing your constituents and going to parliament and debating and voting and writing laws and sorry you're so charming i feel like i want to pat you on the head like oh isn't that sweet like how much i mean every everybody like has a bit of spare time in their job and dosses a bit but actually having whole other jobs like if I employed someone as a full time filmmaker for me and I found out on the side they were also running a law

practice I'd be like hang on a second what like I thought you worked for me so like to do it so brazenly so I don't know and the counter argument is they think MPs need to be diverse and understand the way the world works, and therefore you shouldn't just have career politicians.

You should have people who know the world. So you want to encourage people who have other jobs. But that's okay. I want people to come from an interesting background and have experienced the world. But the day you get elected, I think you should put that job on hold and be working for the people for at least four or five years okay so here's a question i don't know the answer to this are there term limits for mps in the uk no okay so you could you could

theoretically be an mp for the whole rest of your life yes huh because i was thinking like oh if there's term limits you know you have to have you have to be prepared for the day that you get voted out of office. They get great pensions. You know, even if they only do one term, though, they've got a good pension for life. They're taken care of. Yeah, but I bet like I'm just going to I'm just going to suggest that perhaps the kinds of people who become politicians are ambitious people who like to do stuff like i think that has to just be part of your personality you know no matter what you might think of any particular politician i don't think that they're a bunch of lazy bones right so you're saying let them have their cake and eat it too well if there's no if there's no term limits i think that actually does make

things ever so slightly different um but i don't know i i i'm i'm kind of with you i feel like it's it's mostly an indication of what i would kind of suspect that at least in the uk like being a member of parliament it's not actually a lot of time. It's not taking up 70 hours a week if you're also being a doctor on the side, right? You're keeping up your law practice. I mean, I guess what I'm wondering here, Brady, is are you going to be running as an MP and you want to know if you can keep your YouTube job on the side? I think if one of us was going to become a politician, it would be you. I think you would be better at it. I could not disagree with you more.

I would be the worst politician. No, you would be a better politician than I would. Without a doubt. No question about it. You're such like you're an affable guy. Everybody loves Brady. You know, you shake people's hands. You get stuff done.

You're literally creating manufacturing jobs in the united kingdom with the production of shoes i i like that is true yeah i would i might get voted in northampton cheer now yeah yeah like if you're you're halfway there already i'm surprised you haven't been elected i couldn't be a politician. Why? Why do you say that? I'm too passionate. Isn't that, that seems like it's a, it's an advantage. You get to give like a fire, you get to ask fiery questions during prime minister's question time. No, but I, no, it's like, but you also like, you get asked questions and I'd give the wrong answers and. You don't think you could be politic?

I'm not, yeah, I'm not careful enough. You're like more careful. Yeah. See, this is where I have to totally disagree with you like i don't think that's the case i am terrible with people uh i i i am not good at negotiating i'm not good at working with people you are good at negotiating and you're not terrible with people like you don't like it but when you have to do it and like you know you you go and give yourself a little psych up in the back room beforehand this is true yeah when you actually step out and do it you're very good you're very charming you're very uh entertaining and people like you know people like talking to you so you just have to give yourself you just you just have to go and give

yourself a little psych up each time or like have a little little nip of vodka or something oh yes it sounds like the great start to a political career i'll be winston churchill in no time maybe no other of us can really be politicians i i i genuinely think you could do it no i think if you put your mind to it you could do it brady i think because you also have to get elected someone someone could cut together 20 seconds out of this podcast i'd be the most unelected person ever. What do you think about teachers? Teachers, they're basically babysitters crossed with prison guards. Like, okay, there goes a huge portion of the vote.

Yeah, I guess you've got some pretty unpopular positions on a few things, but that'd be a problem. I'm sure the news media would love me, right? Oh, the news. I don't read it. It's worthless. Like, oh, great. I can't wait for all the good stories that are going to come out to me in the media so that's why i wouldn't have i wouldn't

have a chance in the world of being a politician and i also think i would be absolutely terrible at it i don't know but vote brady i think brady could do it so sports ball corner we didn't do one last time so yeah we don't do one every time i think this one has a better chance than usual this one i think i think so because well a it doesn't involve bowls and secondly it doesn't involve a shaggy dog story or a specific story okay it's more just a general opinion all right because there's been a lot of horse racing on lately and horse racing is one of the few sports that i i don't even consider a sport are there a lot of seasons with horse racing is one of the few sports that i i don't even consider a sport are there a lot of things with horse racing like is there yeah there's like a peaks there's like peak season

so we just there's just been a thing called the gold cup in cheltenham and stuff in the uk but that's by the by it's it's been one of the big horse events of the year so it's been in my face a bit and it's take all my usual sports sources like radio stations i listen to in the car and stuff have been like deluging me with horse racing which i don't like because i don't think it's a sport but i see a slight hypocrisy in myself because i do consider motor racing a sport and i love formula one but i can imagine some of the same arguments that are used against uh car racing being how sporty that is versus horse racing where do you where do you place horse racing and car racing on the spectrum of things that you consider to be sport whatever sport means horse racing seems like more of a sport

at least for the horses than car racing well okay yeah for the horses i wasn't really thinking from the horse's perspective but they're the ones doing the like they're the ones doing the work well they're not the ones getting all the nice things yeah it's not about the nice things but it's like this sport right it's like a physical contest you know so you consider horse racing to be just like a horse sport yeah and we're just we're watching but i don't think the horses know they're competing against each other it's not i don't think it's not relevant is that not relevant the horses the horses could lack consciousness at all and i think it would still be a sport right it's like a physical competition between so if so if at the end of the month i said guess what gray i just beat you in

the donut eating contest. I ate four donuts this month and you ate three. And you're like, I didn't know we were having a donut eating contest. I'd say, doesn't matter. I still won. Like, you have to know you're competing for something to be a contest. Otherwise, it's not a contest. Like, what I'm thinking of is I'm thinking like Greyhound racing, you know, where they chase the little rag.

Yeah, well, don't start me on that. I don't think that's a sport either. But I know people do, but I have the same problem with it. But you consider horse racing more of a sport than car racing? Yeah, more of a sport for horses. Right, but less of a sport for humans? Probably. I mean, you obviously know horse racing has jockeys, don't you? And trainers who train the horses. Right. But less of a sport for humans? Probably. Well...

I mean, you obviously know horse racing has jockeys, don't you? And trainers who train the horses. But yeah. Yeah, there's trainers, there's jockeys. I feel like the rare times I have ridden a horse, I'm very sore afterward. So it's obviously a physical activity. When have you ridden a horse? I can't believe you've ridden a horse. Listen, man, I've ridden horses, you know.

Where have you ridden horses? You know, where you ride horses? Don't you worry about it. Look, you know. Tell me when you last rode a horse. When did I last ride a horse? Oh, I could probably actually pull up the photo of when I last rode a horse. I'm going to say about nine years ago was the last time I rode a horse.

God, I was a little kid last time I was on a horse. Like, I was like... Yeah, but were you on, like, a horse or were you on a pony? Like, did you take horseback riding lessons? I was on a horse, but there were, like, four of them in a row all tied to each other. Oh, no. Yeah, no. I've never, like, ridden a horse, like, beyond just walking around, like, a sandy track inside a fence.

I've never ridden a horse properly. I don't think I have, no. It sounds like you and I had very different upbringings. I've ridden an elephant. I have not ridden an elephant. I remember riding elephants, and I was about to go on this elephant ride, and at the start of the ride,

they gave us this huge bunch of bananas and said, you can go and feed the elephant. So I'm like, oh, because you're such a nice elephant, you're about to give me a ride. I'm going to give you lots and lots of bananas. So I must have given this elephant like 40 bananas. And oh, no, that's like nothing for them. And just as I was giving it the last banana and it was taken with its trunk, it was like taking my final banana and eating it. This big, lovely, greedy elephant.

They walked up to me with this like second elephant that was like desperately reaching out, trying to get my final banana and eating it this big lovely greedy elephant they walked up to me with this like second elephant that was like desperately reaching out trying to get my last banana but it was too late the other one had got it and it turns out this second elephant was the one that was taking me on the ride and this other one was just the one that sits there and eats bananas because it's nice and tame and the poor one that was doing all the hard yakka got no bananas. I feel sad just listening to that story. I've never seen a trunk look sad, but it was quite impressive. So when was your last horse ride?

You found the picture? Oh, I wasn't actually looking. But yeah, I think about nine years ago. That's probably about right. Where were you? I was out in Arizona or New Mexico somewhere. I did like a trail ride on a horse. What kind of hat were you wearing?

The coolest cowboy hat imaginable. Did you really wear a cowboy hat? I must have, yeah. Cowboy hat, boots, chappings. Chaps? For the stirrups, yeah. Did you have a lasso? Yeah, I had a lasso as well.

It was all the horseback riding gear. It was great. Were you chewing tobacco? No, no, I don't chew tobacco. Of course not. I'm not just making up stuff here. I wouldn't be chewing tobacco, no. That's cool, man.

But anyway, back to the main point. Horse racing, sport for horses. That's my verdict man. But anyway, back to the main point. Horse racing, sport for horses. That's my verdict here. Okay. I don't think the horses need to know they're competing for it to still be a horse sport. All right. So the other thing I wanted to bring up, and this is another thing that's been in the news a bit lately. Where do you stand on eSports?

Because there's been a lot of debate lately about whether esports a sport or not because some some like the world's best esport computer game person recently got like the same high level exclusive visa for the u.s that athletes get yeah the esports thing i find kind of fascinating um why am i not surprised well no just to be clear i don't actually really i don't follow esports in any way what i find fascinating about it is that it has all of the trappings of real sports right like there's something endlessly hilarious to me about watching say a starcraft game and hearing that like the sports commentators doing like the sports commentator voice and and it i don't know there's something that's super funny about that to me um i think that's a much more interesting question than the than the horses

because i feel like you need to have some kind of physical components to a sports. And if you've ever seen what the best in the world esports guys are doing, I think you could make a real argument for it's a tremendous physical skill. Like their ability to manipulate the keyboard and mouse. It sounds like a joke, but I'll try to wrestle up some of these videos. No, no. And they have good reflexes. I don't so much buy into the argument that people like to make,

I have to be super fit and exercise lots because... No, no. I mean, I get that's legitimate, but I don't really agree with it. But yeah, I get that's legitimate, but I don't really agree with it. But yeah, I agree. They have really good reflexes and coordination, which is two things that make someone good at sport. And they can be quite tactical. To be honest, when you first say esports and computer games to me,

I kind of scoff and don't think it's sport. And really, that is what I think but whenever i read like a written argument where the two cases are outlined and i've read a few different arguments about is it are they sports people or not i always land on the side well they kind of are really it's kind of you can't really argue that when you look at some other people who are considered you know because i because I consider sort of, you know, snooker players and darts and that, I consider sport, even though the people playing that aren't exactly wonderful specimens. And I find it hard to allow myself to consider that sport and then not e-games.

I guess the only difference is like a basis, like a sort of a physical reality like i know they exist in reality and they're hitting keyboards and buttons and things but the thing they're playing doesn't exist in reality whereas even a big fat darts player with a beer at least they're still a dart is still hitting a board or a snooker ball is still hitting a table so i i sometimes wonder whether or not i should esports should fall into a similar category to someone who's really good at scrabble or monopoly or other games because they're again people can be very good at it but not but the thing they're playing is a bit more abstract

so that's the one thing where esports starts falling down for me is the the true the true um the true crucible of where the competition is happening like where the where the rubber meets the road isn't a real physical place yeah that's the one place that's the one definition where like it starts to not quite feel like a physical sport to me even though a real thumb is hitting a button like with the real the real place where the clash is happening and the and the thing is being decided is is more is a bit too abstract yeah there's a layer of indirection that's occurring here and i can see that being an argument against it although again i don't follow esports for like for the same reasons I don't

follow regular sports. For the most part, my mind is not interested in this kind of thing. But I do have to say that that level of indirection is actually what makes it way more interesting to me for the few things that I have seen when I occasionally click around and watch some videos. I love the fact that, for example, some of the biggest ones are variations on essentially a capture the flag kind of game. This is like a League of Legends. There's games that are like this

where there's two teams, three players on a team, and they're doing a capture the flag game essentially. But what I think makes it more interesting to watch than a regular sport is the layer of indirection allows the players to be very different things on the quote playing field and i think that makes it much more interesting than just like oh there's 10 humans on this side and there's 10 humans on that side. I find that makes it much more interesting to watch when like the virtual players, like one of them is 10 times bigger than the others, or like one of them has the ability to teleport to a different location.

Like I think that makes the competition vastly more interesting. And it is through esports that I can have some appreciation of why people like physical sports. Because I've definitely seen very high-level players pull off moves in esports where I feel like, wow, that is incredibly impressive. But also realizing that explaining to someone who is unfamiliar with this game why it is impressive is like an

impossible task in in the same way that when sometimes people are describing particular sports events to me about like look at this impressive thing it's like i can't really appreciate why this is so impressive it looks like any other dunk of the basketball it i don't see what's different about this one so like yeah i sort of feel like though if you do an impressive move that impressive move was still only allowed because like you know the game allowed it or the code made it possible there's like a there's a hidden thing about

the code that makes me just that little bit skeptical because you know I played so many games when I was growing up where the code assists people in certain ways and doesn't always give equal assistance to everyone so there's a kind of and I never really know what's going on under the hood there is that going on you know i remember playing nba jam as a kid for hours and hours and if you were behind the computer would always help you catch up and i know not every game does that but

but i don't know does it what's going on that's and it's the same with horse racing you know like the world's best jockey that wins all this stuff is winning it because he's sitting on top of a horse that helps him more than the guy next to him's horse helps him so um that kind of thing that you're talking about is called rubber banding right where you you help the person who's behind yeah gain and in general most of the games that are esports don't really have that kind of thing there's there's a really intense focus on the games being super balanced and is this audited like the code is ordered audited by someone or that's an interesting question i presume that the code is audited at the big the big championships but like a lot of the games are like running through the servers of a company who controls

it like this is like the starcraft model and i know those companies spend an enormous amount of time being very concerned about how fair the game is and how how balanced it is all right but when you talk about in the real world it's like well yeah these these things happen because they're running on the code of the physics of the universe like it actually doesn't yeah really seem all that different to me yeah but ways. Yeah, but I also know that there's no one who can go in and hack the code of the universe. Or do you? It was called the Bi-Weekly Weigh-In or Fitatron 5000 or Health Corner. I don't know what it's called, but should we do a little health thing? If you want to, go ahead.

Go ahead. Well, I don't want this to come across as a humble brag, but it totally will. Yeah, no, that's I always feel why Brady brings up Fitatron 5000. I always know you have good news, right? This isn't supposed to be a humble brag. It's more because I just enjoy talking about social situations with you. But as you know, I'm going and seeing a personal trainer. And I'm trying to see him three times a week.

I've been a bit off the boil lately, but I am getting back on the horse at the moment. But last weekend on a Sunday night, because he doesn't work on weekends, I just felt like I wanted to go to the gym. You know, he's taught me all these exercises I can do and I can do them on my own. And I just felt motivated. So I was like, I'm going to go to the gym and do a workout and lift weights and do planks and kettlebells and all the machines he's taught me to use. And I went there and I started doing a couple. And then to my horror, it turns out he was there doing a workout, my trainer. And he could see me. And I totally lost my nerve because I thought he was watching me and like judging me

about like, was I doing the exercises right and stuff. And then at one point he caught, I was like doing this like leg weight thing. And he called out across the gym to me, how much weight you got on there, Brady? Oh God. And I like had to call back, uh, 60 kilograms. And it's like, and then I ended up like when he wasn't looking sneaking away early i was embarrassed you have all of my sympathy with this it's all of it i have on my phone a text file a note where i keep adding all of the times i see the trainer that I worked with months ago at the gym because I'm trying to reverse engineer his schedule because I never want to go if he's there and I've done the exact same thing of like oh if he's there it's like I don't need to do that last exercise I can just go right like it's time to leave it's ridiculous it shouldn't matter but i am with

you 100 and like i knew when i was working with this person that this was going to be a potential danger for future gray that when we no longer work together it might be socially uncomfortable and past gray underestimated how uncomfortable future gray was going to be over this because it turns out that it's a lot we're totally fine i am aware of that same thing of like i'm pretty sure he's watching me like he knows i'm here like we don't work together anymore it's like i can't i can't deal with it i can't it's it's very awkward i made a terrible mistake and i was seriously just actually yesterday looking into seeing if there are other gyms that are nearby that maybe I could switch to. When you're exercising on your own, do you have like a really strong bias towards the

sort of exercises that you just enjoy more and the ones that you know you should do, but you don't enjoy, you just don't do those ones? Yeah, of course. Of course, right? What do you enjoy? What ones do you enjoy? There is no exercise more satisfying than the bench press. It's a bit of an attention-seeking one, though. People look at you when you're doing that. I don't like doing exercises where people are more likely to be looking at me. Luckily, in my gym, the bench press is not in a central location. It's a little bit out of the way.

But I'm also very aware, and when I was working with the trainer, he's like, this is probably the least effective thing that you could do. I was like, yes, but it's the most satisfying thing I could do. I definitely have that bias completely. I am biased towards the machines that are hidden away, where people are less likely to watch. And also ones that don't require any setting up. Like if you have to adjust the length of straps or something because i'm not very coordinated and good at that kind of thing so if there's anything that requires any

setup or hooking on a different set of handles or something i tend to avoid those ones because i don't know how to work them and i was always quite into sort of cardio fitness when i was doing it on my own like i'd run on the treadmill and stuff like that but now that i've been introduced to the world of strength stuff and realize i can do that without being absolutely knackered i've kind of turned my back on cardio a bit which i shouldn't like i'm really biased towards just like lifting weights now or doing machines where i can then have a break for a minute and a drink and a bit of a rest so no that's not good but anyway that's true all the strength stuff does have built-in rest time yeah i like i like the rest time component well i moved a thing five times better sit here for three minutes yeah recovery yeah my favorite exercise is recovery time yeah i've i've convinced

myself that recovery time is is incredibly. Based on nothing, right? I don't actually really know. But it's like, there is no part of my exercising that I make sure to never skip more than recovery, right? Don't cut a second off of recovery time. That's for sure. I'm sure I occasionally have admiring looks from people going, boy, that guy's good at recovering.

The way he sits, taking deep breaths. Look at that guy. good at recovering the way he sits taking deep breaths look at that guy busy recovering it's like i don't even know why why this is needed to be done i don't know how serious this is i don't know what the deal is but it's like oh the app says i can't do anything now and i am certainly going to follow it yeah but yeah i'm with you i definitely haven't been as much to the gym as i otherwise should be and it is in no small part because i know the trainer is there sometimes but i haven't fully figured out his schedule yet so it's it's bad it's very bad i just have to switch gyms unless it's gonna happen this episode of hello internet is brought to you in part by Squarespace. You know Squarespace. They are, without doubt, hands down,

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watched some. So if I haven't finished it, I'm sure a lot of people haven't finished it yet. So we need a bit longer for me to finish Westworld. But you did watch Sully today. Yes, I did watch Sully today. Do you want to summarize what Sully is about for someone who has no idea what this film is? It's about the pilot who didn't crash, but had a forced water landing in the Hudson River in New York City. Was it 2009? Several years ago, whatever it was.

It is his story about flying that plane and that forced water landing. Starring Tom Hanks as Sully. Tom Hanks as Sully, yes, of course. So Sully himself, what's his name? Chesley Sullenberger. He must have been pretty happy when he found out that Tom Hanks was playing him.

Do you think Tom Hanks ever wants to be the villain? Like, you roll out Tom Hanks because he's very good at being sympathetic. I don't want to quite say everyman character, but just like a very sympathetic protagonist for your story. He's likable. Yeah, he's very likable. Like, he does the Tom Hanks thing very well. He's likable. Yeah, he's very likable. He does the Tom Hanks thing very well. He's always good on camera. When I was watching this, I thought,

I wonder if Tom Hanks, he goes home and he kicks his foot against the ground and he thinks, why can't I be a villain in some movie? I wonder if he gets tired of being Tom Hanks. Even that film where he's a hitman that kills people, he was really nice, wasn't he? He can't ever be like a Cruella de Vil, right? He always has to be somewhat likable tom hanks yeah anyway so this was u.s airways flight 1549 which in 2009 as gray said

january 15th yeah hit some canadian geese as it took off from la guardia airport lost the engines sully decided that along with his co-pilot they were they decided well sully pretty much decided himself they weren't gonna try and land at another airport they didn't have the altitude and the power so he glided down for a lovely soft landing on the hudson river and everyone on board survived miracle on the hudson call it. I thought they were going to struggle to make a film about it, to be honest. Because that whole thing is all over in, you know, 100 and something seconds or something. Like, it's a pretty short incident to make a whole film about. I was watching this and I was like, oh, Brady's assigned me Sully to watch.

And I guess this is the, like, the movie version of an NTSB report. Yeah, kind of is. Kind of my feeling about this. I can't say I was super happy to watch this because to put my feelings up front, I felt like the movie alternated between periods of being really boring where it felt like there was a bunch of stuff happening they don't really care about

and then being like a live a bunch of stuff happening they don't really care about and then being like a live anxiety attack of watching right so it's like we're alternating between like oh boring scenes of people getting on a plane where they're trying to make you emotionally connected with these people and it's like whatever i know what's going to happen i know movie i know what's happening and then when things actually do happen it's like my body is incapable of not completely clenching up and feeling anxious over watching this stuff. So that was my experience of the movie, like boredom with incredible spikes of anxiety and then boredom. I mean, I sort of assigned it to watch not because I thought you'd particularly like it or even because I thought it was the best film of all time. But just because, you know, plane crashes and it's a big major motion picture about a plane crash.

And I was curious as to how they would do it. And what you thought about how they did it. Because I thought it would be difficult to make. And while I don't think it was the greatest film ever. Or even like, you know, one of my favourite films. They did it better than I expected. I liked it more than I thought I would. But I still didn't think it was amazing. I did

watch it on a plane, by the way, on a little screen on a plane, which was interesting in itself. But it also makes me wonder if there were any modifications to it as a result, but I don't think there were because they still showed some pretty terrible things happening. So I can't imagine there were more terrible things that I was spared because I was sitting on a plane. I mean, I'm going to agree with you. I wasn't quite sure how you could make a feature length film out of this. And as far as these things go, I think they did a pretty good job. There were parts in the beginning that I thought were boring, but it actually didn't necessarily feel like the movie was really stretched out,

like they were struggling to make an entire film. No, yeah, that's what I thought. I thought it would feel like a stretch. I felt the length was right i was never particularly bored like i thought the pacing was well done and like the main there are only a few main actors in it you know there are only really two main actors in it that really counted and they were both good but the thing i didn't think was all that amazing were like the crash sequences like they i thought they'd look more real like i thought it would look different to all the other stuff you see on tv shows like air crash investigation and that but they didn't seem that much better than what you see elsewhere and

i thought you know a big budget hollywood film would do all that stuff better somehow i don't know what i have no suggestions to make it better i thought i'd watch it and think wow you know that's what happens when you spend a lot of money on a on special effects of a plane crash that's way better but it just seemed like all the other ones to me it seemed a little like a you know a really good computer game this is your problem brady you are an air crash connoisseur you're watching all of these things and maybe it was also the watching it on a tiny little screen on the back of someone's seat on an airplane but i was watching it i thought it looked all too real right it's like nope don't like this don't like this one tiny bit uh but i'm not a man who has

seen thousands perhaps tens of thousands of air crashes on the screen right eating eating popcorn while you're doing it, you know, excitedly. This has not been my experience. It was much more novel for me. I could not pick up on all the subtle variations of what you're looking for. So it was too real as far as I was concerned. I was sold on it, but this might be the difference between watching it on an iPad and watching it on an airplane seat. Could you have watched it on a plane? No, I would never have watched it on a plane. Are you crazy?

No. I resent a little bit you making me watch this movie, Brady, right? Because this is like not a thing that I really want to think about. And anytime this stuff comes up, I feel like I learn a piece of information that I didn't really want to know. What'd you learn this time? The thing I learned this time is that water landings are way more dangerous than I ever considered them to be.

I only vaguely knew the story of what happened with this plane in just the dimmest way, which was also one of my complaints about watching the movie is like the movie clearly expects that you're a regular person who actually knows something about this because in the first 30 minutes, I'm like, I don't understand what's going on. Like they're referencing stuff like I don't know what happened in this air crash that you're expecting me to know movie, but i don't like i have no idea but the thing that the movie eventually did explain a little bit more and then fool that i am i ended up looking up a bit on on the internet as well is just i just didn't realize that water landings are really the last resort of

what you want to do uh i saw videos of planes pinwheeling when they try to land in the water. Oh, yeah. Or did you watch the one off the coast of Africa? Yeah, I saw some Ethiopian plane that flipped over. Yeah, that's like the famous one. Oh, God. That's amazing. Yeah, so I guess...

For people who don't know, that was a hijacked plane. It was Ethiopian Airlines, was it? And basically the hijacker said, fly me, you know, to the moon. And the pilots pilots were like we haven't got enough fuel and he's like oh i don't care just keep flying the pilots like no seriously like we haven't got fuel and he's like yeah you do keep going so eventually it like just had to come down and land in the sea but it landed really close to the coast where there were like swimmers so it was filmed on a home video with all swimmers in the foreground and And they almost got it right.

They almost got, like it started to land on its belly nicely, but then just one of its wings tipped to the side and caught the water. And then it cartwheeled the whole plane. But the thing about it is it's so well filmed. You sort of see the whole thing happen. Some people survived that.

Like swimmers went out and tried to save people, but a lot of people died too. Yeah, a lot of people died. So i guess in some irrational part of my brain that was trying to protect me from thinking about this too hard i always vaguely assume that like oh planes must be sort of designed to land on the water just in case yeah like i think that's that's what was in the back of my mind is like oh there must be those boat feet come out or, you know, it's like, it's intended to do this. They look like they should be able to land on water. They've got quite, you know, a flat underside.

Yeah, they have a flat underside. Like a boat. Yeah. Don't think too hard about how thin the walls in the airplane really are and like what the whole structure is, right? Don't think about that too much. So I guess I had always just assumed that this was a much safer activity than it actually was, which led me to underappreciate how remarkable this incident is of of landing in the hudson as a man who spends

the vast majority of his flying time above the abyss of the atlantic ocean this is now a piece of information that i have that i didn't want but it now is in my brain is that water landings are much harder than i thought they were so thanks thanks. Thanks for that Brady. So let me ask you this as someone who has a degree of anxiety about the safety of air travel. What was it like having a mother who flew on planes all the time? Because your mother was a cabin crew wasn't she? Yeah she was a flight attendant. Like were you worried about her like being in planes all the time or like was this a cause of anxiety for you and your family or you was that not an issue it's not an issue because i understand that it is safe to do this right and i especially understand that when

i'm in america the drive to the airport is vastly more dangerous than the flight that's what's going to happen like i know this intellectually there's just some part of my brain which occasionally like wanders over to just how far the black ocean is below you right when i'm on an airplane yeah i'm not saying that this is this is rational like i'm perfectly well aware that this is just about the safest thing that i could do is be flying on a plane i just try not to let my brain wander sometimes on a flight and sometimes it just kind of like i don't know the way to describe it but the best way i could say is a little bit like a vertigo feeling sometimes just happens in the middle of a flight of like you're in the air and of course for turbulence i'm never a happy man

when there's turbulence occurring this is the difference between some part of your base brain that's worried about a thing and then the actual like rational you who knows that this isn't a danger and so that's why when my mom was flying i was never really concerned because it's like i know full well that like flying is an incredibly safe thing to do and presumably she's not a nervous flyer as someone who flew professionally for so long no no not at all no she she totally loved it i did hear from a viewer just yesterday actually i think this email came in which i thought hear from a viewer just yesterday actually i think this email came in which i thought was interesting this person called mark said i feel i should

offer some service to you i've been listening since the beginning of hello internet and i've always enjoyed plane crash corner i work as a commercial pilot and fly the same aircraft type as sully if there's anything you want to know about operational considerations how the aircraft works or changes that have been brought in since the event e.g checklist orders that were changed If there's anything you want to know about operational considerations, how the aircraft works, or changes that have been brought in since the event, e.g. checklist orders that were changed, let me know. I just replied with,

what did you think of the film? And this is what Mark, who flies the same plane, said. I enjoyed it and felt it very close to reality. We have to go in simulators every six months to cover emergency procedures. And even in there, when you know something is going to happen, there is the startle factor that can leave you like a rabbit in the headlights. For people who haven't seen the film, this is an important part of the film, the reaction time, how long they took to decide what to do. So he talks a bit about that for a while. And then Mark says, in terms of the crash portrayal, that also felt very real with the division of duties.

One person just running through checklists, trying to get an engine started, while the other is flying and doing the radio communications. I said earlier about checklist changing. Airbus have a button you can press that seals any vents below the waterline so that it floats. That button was quite far down, so it wasn't pressed before they hit the water and they started to sink quickly. That button is much closer to the top now. I assume he means the top of the checklist. So I thought that was interesting

and thank you, Mark, for contributing. Yeah, that is interesting. I mean, you must love a bit of checklist rearrangement. That must be a little bit sexy to you. They probably should have had a bit more of that in the film for you. Oh yeah, that's very very sexy that could be the sequel sully to the checklist revision checklists are how we embody our knowledge of what you're supposed

to do i always have to give like the pilots and the co-pilots such credit because basically i listened to uh i listened to a bunch of the real audio after I watched the movie because I was curious to see a few things. Like how close does the movie match what they were saying? You're making me so proud. That's what I do. You went down the plane crash corner rabbit hole. Yeah, I did. I did get sucked a little bit down the plane crash corner rabbit hole.

Like I'm loading up 3D videos that are recreations of the event. And I'm getting annoyed at videos where they don't have all of the radio chatter. They only have part. And like, oh, your YouTube channel is terrible at this recreation. I'm getting a bit emotional, Greg. Yeah. I got a bit emotional too. Again, with like anxiety that I wish I could separate from this.

But I couldn't. So thanks for that. I appreciate it. The thing that I was really impressed with. And that I feel like I took away from this in a way that I hadn't before is I cannot believe how relatively calm everybody is on the radios. Right. I can't believe how relatively calm the pilots are. I can't believe how calm the ground staff is.

Like everybody is just so shockingly calm and professional in this process. It is just unbelievable to me that people can do that. It's almost a bit disappointing in a way, because I totally agree with you. Like, not just the Sully incident where he was a hero, but even the ones where the pilots are villains, you know, do something wrong. I notice this all the time in plane crashes as well, like other ones besides the Sully one. How much time they spend being methodical and going through checklists, sometimes as they fly into the side of a mountain,

but going through checklist number. It's almost disappointing, but also reassuring. But it's a bit sort of unromantic that it's also calm and methodical. Did you see that Denzel Washington film, Flight, where he loses control, there's something goes wrong with the plane, he ends up like you know using his like instinct and skills to do something that had never been done before and he like flies the plane upside down a passenger plane

upside down to stop it from crashing and that's like the romantic notion you have that the pilot will just think of some trick or something that's never been done before to save the day. When in fact they just get out a list and go, one, two, three, four, five. And like, either that works or the plane crashes. I like to think there's a bit of room for a bit of a maverick, you know, a bit of skill and something that no one's ever seen before. Oh, who would have ever thought to do that? What a genius.

But no, they just get the little clipboard out and go through the items yeah but there was a bit of romance here brady because sully jumped down a checklist item and turned on the auxiliary power like 10 steps before oh yeah you're right yeah he did something out of sequence yeah that's like that's like that's like the gray version of a maverick someone who like skips an item in the checklist i'm bringing number seven up to three whoa man yeah i think it was that he just assumed that those engines weren't going to come back online and so he was jumping ahead in the checklist to do a thing yeah that turned out to be true later on so yeah that's maverick in action so surely when it comes to like sexy checklist people being the hero of the day your favorite movie must be apollo 13 when my god

yeah when they spend all that time changing the checklist order to make sure the electricity is below the below the voltage you know oh let's put item four oh we need it's like a checklist montage i know exactly what you're talking about great scene there needs to be a video made like you know 10 great checklist moments in movies oh yeah yeah that would definitely be in it i'd put the sully one in there maybe yeah well that could be at the end for like here's a different one right because he jumps ahead that's the way that would work out yeah but apollo 13 is all about playing funny with the checklist too breaking the rules we need to come up with a new checklist yeah but they're going through a process to create the new checklist how are we going to save these people from being thrown into the oblivion of space well we're just going to have

to rearrange a checklist that's ultimately what it's going to be right there's a sequence of steps to do a thing you have to do it in a different sequence of steps yeah so i have a question for you brady because it's like there's one main plot point of this movie i feel like i didn't understand okay which is also it's it's real life okay so sully saves everybody with his forced water landing yeah in the movie there's like a chairman of the ntsb council who are investigating what has occurred yeah and in the movie this guy's like the villain who seems out to blame everything on sully yeah for what i can assess as essentially no reason other than maybe the movie needs some tension but i feel like i didn't understand was

this like a real thing is there some actual motivation it was this just movie land like we need someone to be evil for no reason who's then just going to change his mind and be like, Sully, you're a great American hero at the end of the movie. Yeah. I mean, I don't know for sure,

but certainly one of the main criticisms of the film that I've read about has been that they over-egged the antagonism between the investigators and Sully. And it was all a lot more collegial than it's portrayed and it wasn't quite the uh you know courtroom standoff drama type thing so i have

the impression that it wasn't quite like that and as you have suggested it's that it's creating a little bit of tension a little bit of argy bargy so so i don't know what argy-bargy is, but I take your meaning. I can forgive them that. I mean, they needed something. What else do you throw into movies to fix that? Usually you use a bit of sexiness and a bit of romance, but, like, Sully's just an old, boring, married guy

whose wife wasn't in town. So, like, you can't have, like, you know, sexy sexiness. I thought they might big up, like, his history and his past, but they only did a few little flashbacks. I think the problem they have is, I don't know this for sure, but I think maybe he's just an incredibly boring man

that had something interesting happen to him for two minutes that he handled well. And then they're like, how are we going to make, like, a two-hour film or something about a guy who's really boring that did something good once for a minute? He's not tragically flawed like Denzel Washington snorting cocaine before flying the plane upside down. Yeah, exactly. And like, you know, he was a bit old and had had a reasonably calm, boring life. He did a good thing. And then he just got on with his calm,

boring life. Like, you know, one of the real plot points in the film was what's happening with your consultancy business that you're trying to start. Yeah. And also concerns about his pension. Concerns about his pension played a big part. It was like, yeah, old people's troubles. So it suffered a bit from that. But don't get me wrong. I'll poke fun at that.

And it's not like, it wasn't like a grouping film that I'm telling everyone they should watch. But I thought it was a good, solid, well-made film. Nicely paced. About something I personally happen to find very interesting, of course. But I liked it. What I would be interested to hear what you thought about was the end of the film. How they ended it. They just ended it in the courtroom, right? Yeah, they ended it they just ended in the in the courtroom right

yeah yeah they ended up like on a corny joke oh yeah that's yeah that's what it was yeah yeah like they said to the co-pilot oh if you could do anything would you do differently and he said i would have done it in july or whatever when the weather was better and then the film just like hard cuts like on this like oh like sully like a bit of an old man chuckle. And then they like cut. And it's like, it was like a really odd ending. I didn't mind it. I didn't love either.

And then they had like a second ending where they did the cliche thing you see in a lot of films where the real person appears with all the real survivors and they're all having a cuddle and a talk. And that was, that was okay. With real life films, I quite like seeing a bit of real life stuff at the end oh see i i am an instant credits pauser right so it's like as soon as the movie was over the instant those credits come up i'm like great done i'm not waiting around for your second thing they showed the real sully around the wreckage of the plane in some hangar somewhere with the survivors and they're all having a bit of a nice time together and they make a few speeches and

it was okay it was nice look i'm okay with that ending because i feel with movies like the same way i feel with guests that leaving too soon is far better than lingering around and too many movies i feel like they don't know they don't know how to get out of here it's like you've had your denouement like it's over the main conflict is resolved i'm giving you two minutes to wrap some stuff up and you gotta like let's get out of here it's like you've you've had your denouement like it's over the main conflict is resolved i'm giving you two minutes to wrap some stuff up and you gotta like let's get out of here movie i feel like too many too many movies like to linger around don't you martian this don't you martian it i was actually gonna go to lord of the rings of like and then what does bilbo do where is he going and it's like lord of the rings is the worst ever about that the books too there's

like a hundred pages after the story is over of bilbo wandering around and like saying goodbye to everybody and retracing all their steps on occasion when i reread lord of the rings it's like i always skip the last third of the final books it's like i don't have time for this it's like a sightseeing but the movie does the same thing the martian did it when my movies when their main conflict is resolved i want them over done like let's get on with this so i'm totally fine with it i'd much rather have a movie end abruptly than feel like it needs to wrap up everything with a nice little bow yeah fair enough part of this movie felt a bit like you are say a big civil war fan and you have me watch a civil war movie i feel like okay i'm watching this for a friend like it's not a thing i would ever be super interested in but it's well done and it's this this narrow field of interest

okay that's fine we're buddies i'm happy to do this but i do have to say like wallace is not a thing i would ever watch normally on my own i did feel like maybe i enjoyed the movie much more than i otherwise would have because i knew so little about this event and sully has a bit of a corny speech about it at the end but i i kept thinking through the movie like thank god for all of the peripheral people around the pilot and the co-pilot like the port authority guys the nypd the fire department the red cross like the flight attendants in the cabin like everybody i was just so aware of this thing that i wasn't really aware of from just dimly hearing about this story of like this pilot

landed a plane in hudson and everybody lived yeah and it's like this was a no joke team effort everything had to go right for this to work because i was i was unaware of i mean the thing that the movie ends on is that joke about doing it in july you land in two degrees above freezing water this is a dangerous situation like the plane is going down as well i found all of that interesting yeah and also i felt like my sort of new york state pride coming out all these guys like going out there to rescue the crew like i just i found that part really interesting i was totally unaware of it i feel appreciative for knowing more of the whole story about this incident and it seems like much more of a thing than i had originally realized i think if there was any part of the film that did sort of flicker my emotional needle in any way it was

that kind of all hands to the pump when all the the ferry drivers and the boat people are just like let's get out there let's do it you know let's let's save these people like you know most of the parts of the film i found quite you know straight down the line and the parts that was supposed to move me didn't massively move me but that did affect me it was like yeah good on them like so i i agree with you that was a that was a was a nice part of the film for me too. So, Grey, this talk about endings of films and credits and real life stuff makes me think we should move on and end with a Brady's paper cut. Because I've had a paper cut that's been brewing for my last three or four visits to the United States. And it came to a head on my last visit.

And it is very much on this topic. I know you don't watch a lot of normal television and neither this topic okay i know you don't watch a lot of normal television and neither do i and i certainly don't watch a lot of normal television in america but i have been lately and i watch a few channels i don't even know what the channels are called just tv channels that have they just have movies yeah because there's so many channels in america and i've got the place i stay has got this direct tv with a hundred thousand channels is this is when you're out at the spiritual home of Numberphile? Is that what you're talking about here?

I was. This is in Berkeley. So I was flicking through the channels, and there's one or two channels I always end up on that are showing movies that I like. I could talk about how many ads they put in the film, but I won't. I mean, that's too clichéd.

So let's just forget the ridiculous number of advertisements at inappropriate times. I watched A Few Good Men while I was there, just forget the ridiculous number of advertisements at inappropriate times i watched a few good men while i was there and you know that stirring final cross-examination by tom cruise of jack nicholson yeah it's the moment you wait for and watch and it's so well done they managed to fit three commercial breaks into that speech i couldn't believe it i don't know if you've ever tuned into it but if you're watching a particularly bad channel that shows movies in America, they sometimes speed up the movie by just 5% or 10%. And if you are a person who is sensitive to that, it's like everything is just slightly higher pitched than you would normally expect.

And it's like, oh. You can't handle the truth. Yeah, exactly. Why do they do that? Because they're trying to fit just one more ad break in over a two-hour block, right? And they need to speed it up. I did notice, because I know a few good men quite well, I did notice them just chopping parts of the film out.

Like, they do cut bits of the film altogether. I don't even know why you're watching movies on TV. Like, what is this, 1985? Like, what are you doing? I know it's weird, you know. And I know I could just, like, pick up ipad and watch it straight away with no ads but there's just something about when it's on tv i don't know i can't explain it and it's sort of backgroundy because i'm usually doing other stuff and the thing that really like does my head in is the

way these channels treat the end credits of movies because obviously this is a dangerous time for them because they're worried people people are going to change obviously this is a dangerous time for them because they're worried people people are going to change channel this is where they're losing their watch time very fast right on those audience retention graphs this is like right down to the bottom there's a few things they've done that have driven me crazy the first is cutting things out of the credits they usually will speed the credits up to such a speed that I can't believe they even bother leaving them. They'll go at like, you know, a thousand percent speed, blur past you in like five seconds.

I presume it's a legal requirement. That's my guess, right? Like you have to show these credits. Yeah. And then they go straight to the next film. Or the other thing that they do, which I hate even more, is they run the credits, but they drop the credits down to the bottom third of the

screen and in the top two thirds of the screen they start playing the next movie so you're watching the star of the next movie while the credits for the previous movie are running like on the bottom of the screen it gets even more ridiculous though because what a lot of these channels do is they show the same film three or four times in a row. So if you say, oh, the film I want to watch is starting at three o'clock, I must make sure I switch on. You'll switch on at like two minutes to three and you'll see the last two minutes of the film you're just about to watch. Like you'll catch the finale of the film you're about to watch and then they'll shrink the credits down and start playing the film again. So the credits for the film you're watching, you're watching the end credits for

at the bottom of the screen and you've just seen the end of it? I don't understand why you're even watching TV. Like, this is... Let it go, Greg. This is what you're doing. I can't get over this. Like, I would never sit in bed

and think, what am I going to watch tonight? Oh, I'll watch A Few Good Men. I would never do that because I've seen that film 15 times and it's never in my head but i like it but if i'm cruising through the channels and it's like halfway through on channel 407 and it's the last 20 minutes i'll say a few good men i love the last 20 minutes of that film i think i'll watch it this is an activity that you do you just flip on the tv to just randomly find what's on yeah i'll usually be doing something else you know twittering or editing something or working on something else and then i'll look up and go i like this film so that is such a crazy behavior

to me okay well it's as long i must have watched frozen three times in one day while i was there i love that film as long as you're happy with the experience, I guess it's great. I'm all right with it. But the other thing that drove me crazy, and the whole reason you reminded me of it is because of this real-life ending they have in Sully, is another film I really, really like. A film called The Blind Side,

which is a film about an NFL footballer who had a really difficult childhood and was orphaned or something given up by his mum after a tough life he got adopted by this rich family and they brought him up and he became this footballer and it's a really lovely film it's a really good story it's a really well executed film and it always gets me it always gets me emotional the final scene of the film is they cut to real life and show him being drafted to the NFL, which is like a big moment.

He's made it to the pinnacle. And then during the credits, and it's the best thing in the film, during the credits, they just run 30 or 40 family photos through the credits where you see all the characters you've just seen portrayed in the film in real life. So you see what they all really look like. But not only that,

it's family photos of lots of the incidents and occasions and things that were portrayed in the film it's one of the best uses of like you know real life photos at the end of a film you could have in a film so i was watching the blind side and really looking forward to that moment at the end and sure enough the end of the film comes in real life and they just locked the credits off they just locked it off and started showing the blind side again from the start and left out left that out altogether and it was the best part of the film but they were like oh it's the credits people won't watch that and i'd been waiting like half an hour for it i just let go of the fact that i watch television great people do it do it. People do it.

Really? Do they? I don't understand. People do that? It is a thing. It is a proper thing. I feel like you're sitting in a movie theater and you want to complain to me about,

oh, the crying babies and the children running around and all the horribleness in a movie theater. And I'm just like, why are you in a movie theater? This is fundamental to the medium here that's what this is it's like oh tv tv ruins a coherent experience it's like yeah of course that's what they do that's their job sometimes it's okay to have sometimes you want to be a bit brainless and have someone else curate it i mean the number of times i sit in bed and think oh i really want to watch something on netflix and i spend the next 45 minutes paralyzed by choice and unable to decide what to watch sometimes sometimes it's good to have

that decision taken away from you a bit i'll give you that that that is fair like netflix analysis paralysis is definitely a thing and can sometimes be like oh all of this material is too high quality like i do just kind of want to watch some crap. That is a thing, you know. Not another Netflix original. I know. I can't be emotionally invested right now. I just need to be watching just some reality show.

Yeah. Anyway, I guess I'm sorry that TV stations ruined the credits for you, Brady. Sorry. You don't have to apologize. It's not your fault. It's not a real apology. It's not like there's nothing genuine in my voice about that. I was just trying to mollify you.