Her Discussions by Dr Faye - Skincare Routine for Glass Skin + BEST Korean Products | Mini Episode

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Starting point is 00:00:22 Free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. But first we're going to do our section called buy or bye-bye. So you're going to tell me, I'm going to show you some products that may be guided by current social media trends in skin health. And I would like to know whether you would buy these products or say bye-bye to them. I love this. Yeah. So first step, a red light mask.

Starting point is 00:00:54 You're going in strong with the first one. So for me, bye-bye. But it's, as ever, a little bit more complicated than that. I think red light for sure has been shown to have some positive benefits in the skin. So it can help with calming inflammation. It might help with dialing down redness and may also help with boosting collagen and therefore slowing signs of skin aging. But most of the work.

Starting point is 00:01:26 is on devices that are used in a hospital or clinical setting. And so we might expect that the dose and exposure would be different there compared to a mask that you would use at home, where necessarily if people can be operating something on their own at home, it needs to be super safe so that you can't go wrong. The at-home masks aren't as well studied, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to say for sure that the at-home masks would deliver the same sort of results as an in-clinic device.

Starting point is 00:01:56 That said, it's not complete nonsense. But I think the things that people need to know about are that you have to use the mask regularly to get benefit. You probably have to use it for quite a sustained amount of time before you get benefit. And that if you do all of those things, the benefits still might be very modest. So as long as someone is aware of those things, then I don't think there's any problem with using a red, light mask. And I know one of my, when I was having this discussion with one of my patients earlier in the week and we were talking about stress management and what do you do, you know, to decompress during the week. And she said, I wear my red light mask because then no one bothers me while I have it on and

Starting point is 00:02:40 then I'll do something while I've got it on. And I thought, you know what? I quite like the idea of that. But I think the problem is that there is so much misleading marketing. And I think a lot of people buy a red light mask because there's this sort of idea that it's going to, you know, it's going to improve skin, but people don't exactly know what they're looking for it to do. And I think when people think that having a red light mask at home is going to treat their acne and then don't seek proper support for managing acne and then develop scarring, etc. In the meantime, that's a sort of scenario where I think it would be really useful. People were really clear about what the mask can do, how much benefit it can have,

Starting point is 00:03:21 and that there are sometimes better alternatives. I think a really common thread that we've seen in a lot of these podcast episodes is not using or not going, avoiding using a product as a replacement for going to get clinical help is not a good idea. And that's that's a really common thread. So I'm happy you said that. Another thing is focusing on the boring, boring, boring bloody basics that don't get the clicks, don't get the on is sexy, you know, Yeah, go and see a doctor getting proper treatment for your acne before maybe result into these things, which may have marginal gains,

Starting point is 00:04:00 but aren't going to be the foundations. So, yeah, I feel like that was a really, really useful answer. And if I'm allowed to add one last thing, it's that a lot of people do get very upset if we say that actually the benefits might be modest because they'll say, I've tried it and actually had a good result. And I think that's the nature of these things.

Starting point is 00:04:20 Some people will have a benefit, but probably more people don't get. a wow factor. So that doesn't mean it's useless for everyone, but it also means that probably if everyone bought it, a lot of people would be disappointed. But to your point, often when someone has got to the point where they're buying a red light mask and most of them are not super cheap, they've also already thought about their skincare routine and maybe using products that are helpful for the skin condition. And I think there's this bias whereby if you spend a lot of money on something, you are inclined to think that that thing is the thing that's working

Starting point is 00:04:55 rather than the other boring things that you're doing like washing your face twice a day and using a retinal cream. FAP. Yeah. Next, we have... I'm nervous. Beef tallow. Yeah, it's food.

Starting point is 00:05:17 Yeah, no. No, a big old bye-bye. Yeah. That's a bye-bye. I think this is a sort of fear around, I want to say chemicals, fear around using conventional skincare. But I just don't understand how tallow has been the thing that people want to use instead. No.

Starting point is 00:05:47 So it's fine. No, no. It's just a big old no. Next, we have, this is an overnight mask, overnight face mask, if you want to have a little look. In communities across Canada, hourly Amazon employees earn an average of over $24.50 an hour. Employees also have the opportunity to grow their skills and their paycheck by enrolling in free skills training programs for in-demand fields like software development and information technology. Learn more at aboutamazon.ca. Collagen night wrapping mask.

Starting point is 00:06:41 Yeah. So this is going to be something that I would never use, but tell me how is it supposed to be used? So to be put on the face of their left on overnight? I'm not a massive kind of mask type of person, mainly because I think all the things that we, ought to be able to deliver to our skin, we can get through standard skin care, cleanse and moisturiser, sunscreen, serums. I think masks are a bit gimmicky. I can see the potential benefit of

Starting point is 00:07:22 doing a mask for self-care. I can see that if you have a nice event coming up, you might want to use a hydrating mask or do some sort of treatment, I guess at home treatment a night before. But actually, if you get like your kind of ordinary skincare routine working well for you, you don't really need to do all these other bits and pieces. I think collagen is quite, there's lots of hype about collagen because I think in the last five or 10 years, we've had a lot more awareness about skincare. People know that collagen is an important protein in their skin,

Starting point is 00:07:57 that it makes their skin firmer, it reduces sagging and wrinkles, that it declines with age. And so there's been a big trend, one about collagen supplements. I don't know if you've got any hiding there. Okay, you find it coming. And the other end is using collagen and skincare. But collagen and skincare doesn't really go anywhere. It's too big to penetrate through your skin barrier.

Starting point is 00:08:18 Your skin barrier is really clever and it keeps stuff out that's not supposed to go in. The best way to look after your own collagen is with sun protection. So 80% of facial aging is from. UV exposure. So that's a number one threat to our collagen. The second thing to do to look after your collagen is to use something which has a retinoid in it. So retinol, retinal, retinal, and these are all different retinodes. And this is probably the best proven topical agent to boost collagen. And then there are other things that we can do to look after our collagen, like protecting our skin from pollution, like making sure we have a good diet that includes enough protein.

Starting point is 00:09:03 but I think this sort of thing is a bit gimmicky. Perfect. You mentioned, I'll pop that there. You mentioned retinal, retinol and tretinoin. Do you mind explaining for the listeners what those are and what are the key differences and who would be better suited to which? Yeah. So I think the way I like to think of it is so they're all in a group called topical retinoids.

Starting point is 00:09:31 retinoids come from vitamin A to anyone who hasn't yet heard of them. And I like to divide them in my mind into over-the-counter and prescription ones. I think that's quite a good way to think about it. So prescription ones will go by names like tretanohan. They might be some brand names. Those are usually ones prescribed for acne. And adapolin is another type. It's also licensed for treating acne.

Starting point is 00:09:59 And there are a couple of other newer ones. There's one called Eklif, which is used for treating acne. So most prescription retinodes are licensed for treating acne. But some prescription retinoles like Tretanone will also be used for supporting skin aging, healthy skin aging, because they stimulate collagen in the skin and they smooth the skin. And it can also be used for treating scars in the skin, for improving pigmentation. Tretanoin is not available in the UK over the counter, apart from one version that comes with an antibiotic in it.

Starting point is 00:10:37 So it's usually produced by compounding pharmacies. There are various subscription services where people can get hold of tretanoin. The over-the-counter ones are your retinol or retinaldehyde, which sometimes people call retinal. And there's gran active retinoid and there's retinalpon. and there's retinal parmitate, there's a whole bunch of different ones. The main ones to know about are retinol and retinal. And these are mainly used for supporting healthy skin aging.

Starting point is 00:11:12 So I think you're often here to people talking about retinol for treating acne. No. There are prescription retinoids are for treating acne. Over the counter retinoids might have some benefit for acne, but they're nowhere, they're not tested in the same way, they're nowhere near as reliable for treating acne. Over the counter-retinoids, by and large, offer supporting healthy skin aging, so that would be for smoothing the surface, helping to reduce fine lines, reducing surface roughness may help a bit with pigmentation. So that's how I divide them.

Starting point is 00:11:49 The prescription ones are more potent. They may work faster. They may have a bigger magnitude of effect. But if your goal is healthy skin aging and you're not treating a medical condition like acne, it's perfectly reasonable to use an over-the-counter retinoid. And if you use it for many, many, many years, probably it all evens out in the end. So that's how I would, that's how I tend to think of them. Thank you for listening. If you would like to hear the full episode with even more jam-packed knowledge, then just click the link in the description.

Her Discussions by Dr Faye - Skincare Routine for Glass Skin + BEST Korean Products | Mini Episode

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