Heroes in Business - Andy Hahn, Fearless Living, Shivany Gonnell Business as Divine

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

Interview Shivany Gonnell. Business as divine self expression. Integrating coaching, energy healing, Akashic record reading and Human Design to understand and manifest soul success blueprint in this episode of Fearless Living with Dr Andy Hahn.

Dr. Andy Hahn, MD, So welcome. My name is Dr. Andy Hahn, and this is the 61st episode of Guided Self-Healing Fearless Living. And today I have the great honor, and I mean that seriously because I can say that because we just were on her podcast and I had the most lovely time with her. uh we're on with shivani ganel and shivani uh is right now running a summit called spiritual mastery in this in this global shift i highly recommend that you all go and listen to it because it's a wonderful topic and she's a wonderful interviewer and uh it certainly is time for spiritual mastery in a global shift for sure so you can find it with her name and her name we will send out to the whole world but you'll have her name and you can find her summit and it's going on right now so please go watch it and and just have a chance to and i'm not only saying this because i'm on her side although i am so and um but shivani is over and above that she is really oriented towards purpose and having business as a divine self-expression and so of course she is a wonderful coach particularly about women's empowerment but

she's also an akashic records healer um uh reader and she's an energy healer and moreover she has two good dogs akash and isis and anyone who has dogs named akash and isis has got to be like an extraordinary being and she lives in what sounds like heaven in Australia. So that's what I know about her and it's welcome, welcome and thank you so much. And what I'd like to know just selfishly is how you put all this together because you have your Akashic record healing and you have your energy healing and you have your coaching and you have a whole way of doing coaching about helping people put together purpose and spirit and business into one wonderful like way of being and I'd like to know how it all fits together for you and like how it came to be

fitting this way and anything you want to tell us about that as a starting place if that's a good starting place for you so yeah sure first of all thanks for the wonderful um introduction and i'm so happy to be here with you and with everybody um so yeah look i um i would say I was born awake, but then when I was 14, I seriously was questioning why am I here? Why is the world this particular way? Because I did not fit or I didn't feel I would fit. So I basically added many, many modalities. I basically added many many modalities but already when I was 14 I was curious about purpose they you know everybody else had their first boyfriend I was writing poetry about the eyes to the soul yeah so obviously early uh with that yeah contemplation so how it all works in i mean i'm fascinated by it and absolutely love the modalities that i'm working with and they're

with true with purpose i have two so one is the akashic as you mentioned for those of you who don't know what the akashic records are it's basically an energetic database that records everything you've ever done in any lifetimes but it also records who you are this lifetime your divine gifts uh your your life lesson uh soul specialization and that read together like the soul profile will give you a good idea repurpose which direction to move towards i also work with human design again totally different but of course truth is truth is truth planet it's been channeled in 1987 and again a human design can give you a really good idea how to make correct decisions for you specifically because we're all wired differently so when i work with a client i consult the akashic and human design so that's the first thing i do um the healing is being done when the stuff comes up so to speak because

usually you say the journey from point A to point B, meaning point A is who you are with everything that you are today. Point B would be you are experiencing what you want. And you will be a very different person at point B to who you are today. And so everything that's not in vibrational alignment to point B will come up and will have to be released. So that's where the healing comes in. And, of course, then the coaching, it would be very practical steps, yeah,

because not only do you have a personal Akashic record, you also have a business record. And so it's a total shortcut. Because so many people that I see, they're doing everything in business. And they're basically heading towards burnout and then when I look in the records quite often half of it what they do has to disappear it's too much and

it's not aligned yeah it's about what suits each individual it's each soul how are they wired to create a business and lift their purpose or if it's not creating a business you know how are you wired to lift your purpose i got it um maybe you could start because i'm curious how you do certain things so when when you see healing needs to be done can you tell us a little bit about what it is that you do that is your framework for doing the healing when somebody is stuck between where they are and where life is inviting them into can you teach us a little about that because I would love to know yeah okay so there are two like i'm i'm using okay when you

embark on living your purpose quite often we forget i mean not on we forget even the coaching session two weeks ago yeah because it seems like we have to hear something over and over and over again and then take little action steps towards it so when i do the soul success blueprint which is the very very first reading I do in the Akashic records which everybody anybody can do it's not just a reading it's we are literally bringing your soul back to the point of origination back to love and light so it's really a four week process because three weeks out of that will be used as clearing but when basically once that process is completed the client will feel very different vibrationally again it's very hard to explain it's like trying to explain how a banana tastes yeah i can tell you all the different bananas and shapes but eventually

you know you have to experience it and bite into it but basically vibrationally you will be very different because we cleared a lot of what's holding you back yeah so if you have created a vow of poverty say five lifetimes ago um you don't remember that but your life will be affected by that yeah you will have trouble with money in some shape or form and so when i clear it on the level of the akashi then the client clears it through the emotional mental physical and then we're also looking at a new physical action step because we're still in 3D, right? It's not just, you know, 5D. And that's how we can literally create a new life or a new venture. So that's the Akashic Record reading. But then, so that is like you get the proverbial kick out of the door,

the cosmic kick out of the door the cosmic kick out of the door so things will be easier yeah things that were very hard will be easier and then the healing would come in depending what comes up for the client yeah for example i had one client and the relationship was basically already on the rocks. But it was hard for her to say no to her partner to watching a movie till midnight. Like the partner wanted to stay up, watch movies. She wanted to go to bed by 9 p.m but just to keep the peace she would watch the movie that she was not interested in with the partner and then of course don't get up early it had a flow-on effect on her business yeah um and then depending if saying no or not being liked, yeah, because if you say no, you have to create a boundary and the risk is you have an argument on your hands.

by being conscious of it or you can't because underneath there is something that is being asked to be released and healed which has nothing to do with this lifetime if that makes sense yeah everybody who's listening to us certainly does to me and it certainly does to you and probably to most of the people listening to us would make that would make a lot of sense sure so something is coming from karma or something like that and it's got them blocked like as you've described as the vow of poverty that took place five lifetimes ago same idea yeah okay so you know and sometimes we literally have to feel the fear and do it anyway sometimes we can't clear something away yeah but that's when you have a coach that's holding your hand yeah right i got it and it's yeah do you know also when i talk about purpose i remember and i was guilty of that. That at one stage, I mean, we're talking decades ago,

that I had this feeling purpose must be somehow written on this cloud. And if I would just know my purpose, then life will be incredible. Yeah. And purpose is not just one thing. Yeah. And purpose evolves. Purpose is not just one thing yeah and purpose evolves purpose is not stagnant yeah but it's starting with one step you're always able to expand right makes total sense that purpose is an evolving being that you're in relationship with and as you evolve it evolves and as you discover more and more gets discovered it is that how am i understanding what you're saying yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and for those of you who have a

business and you might have um a challenge for example to get more clients uh then i would look i mean i would know already who you are at soul level uh and then i would look at your business record and the way it works and i love it because honestly i'm i'm still so with every client i'm so excited no matter whether i've had thousands of clients only because i'm excited about the journey and the transformation through ease yeah and what people usually go with is they give me a monetary amount and they maybe say okay Shivani in six months time I want to make five thousand bucks every month say they make two thousand at the moment And then the first thing I look at is, is it possible? No, sorry. First thing I look at, is it probable from zero to 100%?

Meaning who this person is right now is what they want probable. And then I might get yes. And then a percentage, then we are off to a good start if it's not probable I'll ask is it even possible and then I might get yes and a percentage if I get no both times then obviously I have to go back to the client and look at changing or tweaking the goal. Because sometimes, right, very spiritual people can get too overenthusiastic in believing in miracles, right?

So if you haven't made two grand a month, you won't be able to make 10. Yeah. In a short period of time because we still have to consider the physical yeah yeah and then so okay they say okay i want to get five grand say it's 60 probable then i'd have a look at okay where is the 100 alignment is it clients is it the offer so the price point is it marketing sales joint ventures yeah so we're very 3d orientated despite being in the records and then there'll be certain areas that might come up with 50 percent yeah because it's we're looking for 100 percent alignment and then say if it's sales we will i

really go into the nitty-gritty is it the offer itself is it the language is it an attitude about sales does this person need sales training yeah so very led by the client i never know you know what i mean that's the exciting bit and then i help the client to implement the new and let go of the old and yeah and that's how they shape their way energetically through success i think i understand um where if you were looking at any particular thing like sales or the amount of money they could make or whatever it is is that information you get in the akashic record itself or is that something you get through dialoguing with the client or how do you how do you discover what topic areas you should focus on and where the stock point may be how much of it is between you and the client

and how much of it is you're reading the records about all of these specific things and you're just sort of informing the client? Teach us about that. Yeah, so I can inform the client, yeah, like the blueprint, okay? So say they have divine power, power say as their first divine gift now divine power would be the born entrepreneur they need to have a business in order to fully

express themselves yeah um and even sharing with them how fast they are yeah because they are really fast they get things done in three hours that other people need 10 hours yeah um so i can give information and certain gifts very much can shape what you do so for example divine expression as a gift uh you would be incredibly good with words whether it's written or spoken uh you would be the spiritual teacher and you would be a natural channel for example yeah so yeah i can give information what the client does we have free will however i'm also highly intuitive and i seem to be able to hear what clients say when there is a sign when there is silence so somehow i just know say if the client says oh i want to do this and if there's no energy behind it or i don't feel excited then it's not quite right

for the client yeah then i would go deeper or ask more questions till i get the, yep, we got it. Yeah, but we have free will, yeah? How we express is, yeah, it's up to us. I'm with you. Maybe you could teach us a little bit about the relationship of free will and the relationship of the blueprints in the record and how those things go or don't go together,

assuming that the reason that they well um maybe i can just ask what's the relationship of free will and the blueprints in the record how do they interact with each other can you help me with that okay that's a great question. Well, look, ultimately free will trumps, I think. We are born with free will, right? Even doing nothing is free will. However, look, it's a great question because i'm just feeling into it and then i'm going i wonder whether karma trumps right um okay what i do know is if you we all have karma yeah and karma is not that you're punished for something it's literally

just the consequence of a action or the consequence of a wrong in inverted commas decision yeah so however if there's incomplete karma about something, it will stop you in this lifetime. Yeah? So really, really important to do your personal work, your personal growth and your healing work. Because, I mean, yeah yeah we have free will but

i'll tell you what i'll give you an example i mean that's with healing i used to do facebook lives and i'll be honest i never liked them it was always not easy it was always not easy but I had a period probably a year ago I I could not get myself to do a Facebook live like it was almost no I can't do it and that was over the top for me yeah I could go okay I don't like it but I'll do do it. I could not do it. And I watched myself. I could not do it. And I was scared. I'm going, what is this about? And I had a healing.

And, oh, my God, this past life came up, and it made so much sense where I basically tried, like I saw something the community didn't see and when I shared and it was basically hey we are in danger we need to get out of this and not only was I ridiculed they didn't believe me and I left and my whole tribe basically died so you, you know, then I had to work with nobody believes me, I'm ridiculed, all my people are dead. And that made a lot of sense, right? So again, it would be the healing or the karma to be worked on

because, and after that, like a miracle, did a Facebook live immediately, live immediately but yeah this is my world yes i yeah you get it 100 you know here's what i'm hearing you can tell me if this makes sense to you it feels to me like the akashic record as a energetic is like something that is, um, the, the word that comes to me is like, there's a gravitational pull. Like it's like attracting you. If you can get there, it's like, it's like an invitation to saying, here's something like your destiny that has been on some level, there's a kind of engraving that you've decided you want to move towards. And free will, it seems to me,

is how much are you willing to do the work when like you have the anxiety of your Facebook thing? Are you going to say, forget it? I'm never going to do it. And like, I'm not meant to do this. Or will I deal or will i look at the anxiety and say is it really a trauma structure because there's some kind of reactivity or some kind of judgmentalism it's not just that i don't want i'm not meant to do it but it's there's something more there and that free will is the choice to say am i gonna like choose to find out what that reactivity is or am i going to choose to override it?

That seems to me to be what free will really is. And if you if you choose not to override it, but to notice it, then whatever the karmic healing is, whatever that is where you're stuck for whatever reason, something that couldn't be handled, you'll go back and find it, which will release it, which will then allow you more to align with whatever life is inviting you into, so you can move more towards whatever that, I wouldn't say destiny exactly as you're talking about it, but an invitation to like become more light become closer to who you really are when you really align with that whatever that is whatever it is right invitation to become more joyful ultimately right whatever that joy is right yeah but yeah yeah and now here's then the next question which is interesting to me because let's suppose to take a controversial example in the akashic record it said to jesus

as christ he was going to be crucified and that that would be his joy right let's suppose in the akashic record so it would seem to me that the joy then would be to say I can be with anything and whatever life is inviting me into is my destiny and if life is asking for a sacrifice right now I will just go in a sense smiling but that may not be your impression so I would love to know what you think gosh I mean know, everything is theory, right? I believe that we come, before we come into a lifetime, that we work out in some shape or form the essence of what we uh encouraged and well what we've chosen to to bring here um

the so with jesus for example for me the essence is he brought unconditional love onto the planet yeah did he know that he might have yeah he might probably have known that yeah you'll be crucified because he would have probably already had a discussion before he incarnated with Judas and whoever. That you do this and I want to learn about forgiveness and about holding my energy no matter what. And I think that was jesus but the free will he still you know he had people he had to have people that betrayed him he had to have yeah or how the common folk responded was free will. But I think the main things of his life

would have been played out according to the intention being set beforehand. That makes sense. Makes sense to me. I mean, because I think it's very interesting that people can have goals, right? People can have? Goals, right? That are relatively speaking egoic, as opposed to life centric, right? I could say, I can have any kind of goal I want.

any kind of goal i want um and it may be on a on an egoic level something that i think i truly desire but on a larger level it may not be in alignment at all i don't know if you found that i'm curious what your sense is about you know i love that you're bringing this up because what i noticed and that is also what i help people with especially say they come and they say hey I want to have a brand new business or I want to decide to have hustle say or whatever they want that quite often we want something because of parents that want that for us or because we see a friend being successful with something and we go oh i want this yeah but that is more the ego mind versus is that really deeply what you want yeah like do you for example i mean that's a very superficial you know level but um do i want a house with a brand new house with four beds and three bathrooms

and when i look at these houses i hate them they're sterile no i don't you know um but some people might want that because it's a status symbol yeah um so yeah i do check with people and that is something i can look up in the akashic records is it really aligned yeah and then look we we all need the ego yeah like i don't make the ego wrong uh per se and the you know the ego has to be on board with what we want as well. Yeah? Oh, totally. I'm right with you. Wherever your ego's at, until yes, yes, I, yeah.

Yeah. And sometimes, you know, I remember my Akashic Record reader teacher, Andrea Hess, and she basically went from having a three-month-old baby and she just got divorced, so she was a single mum, and she swore to never ever be a single mom that is struggling financially for her that was a red flag and she has now like an eight figure business within like 12 years okay anyway and she would be very honest about saying that originally i mean yes she always wanted to help people and she does that in a big way but she also wanted to just slight her ex because he ridiculed her constantly that she

how could she make money as a psychic yeah and that is a very egoic motivation but it helped her to get yeah so sometimes but she didn't have the wrong goal right you talked about goals she had the right goal but some ego to just go i'll show you or i'm going to do this well regardless. I think it's actually helpful. Oh. You know. I just totally understand that. Yes, I think there is a way of holding both of those things and to say it may be compulsive that,

but that doesn't make it wrong, if you know what I mean. Sure. Yeah. Anything can motivate you into something that ultimately can bring you into places that you may not have gotten to if you hadn't had that kind of a different kind of push so to speak and i yes i know that one very well myself yeah yeah that one because if someone tells me i can't do something that's as good a motive as I will ever have particularly in my younger life to say really okay I'll show you yes that was

now my secrets are out what can I say you know it's like but sometimes I think being a little bit of a rebel is helpful. Well, some of us hopefully only stay a little bit of a rebel and not too much of a rebel, which could also be helpful, but can get you into a lot of challenging situations, for sure. So you tell me,

this has been wonderful. Tell me what else, you know, in your cases or in your own evolution or anything you know what have you most learned for yourself that you really say oh my goodness this is what i've really discovered that's really important to me maybe you can i'll tell you what i want to share with you because um a recent experience uh because i always use myself as the guinea pig right so because i have to try out if things work or not and then i can share it with my clients so in human design you have four major energy types and how your energy operates literally dictates how you go about creating something that you want and again for those of you who are new to human design

you can just google anywhere free human design chart and you will get your own human design and a mini reading and you don't even have to give your email address okay so that's available for you so in human design i am what they call a splenic projector which is 20 percent of humanity. And out of the four types, three have to wait in some shape or form. Only one can actually initiate and inform. And that is the manifesto in human design. The projector that I am, for anything that is life-changing in some like that is a

bigger decision i have to wait for the invitation now when i heard this principle for the first time i thought i'm waiting till the cows come home what do you mean wait for the invitation but it goes so against our do do do yeah Society and then I thought well let me just try it out you know like be really conscious about that particular concept so my intention was that, like, I live on a quarter of an acre, I'm rural, I'm fully tropical in Australia, and the land, the way Tees actually lends itself to invite somebody to share the land that has a tiny home. the land that has a tiny home so that was the intention I thought it would be great you know to have a couple they're similar they want to be self-sufficient you know now I'm in the middle of nowhere with a thousand people okay and I want to attract this and i wanted a couple i'm basically asking for my soul tribe to come where we garden together and we have a common goal okay so and i have to wait for the invitation where do i get this invitation from right so i started and I talked to a friend about the idea

and she said hey here's a Facebook group all about tiny homes why don't you put a poster so that was my first invitation I looked at it I thought yeah put a post up with pictures people loved it but nothing okay and then the waiting was on and of course my mind had a lot to say about it yeah so the logical mind would go well you have to find another outlet to market you have to put a post up again yeah that would be the ego mind and i was like not yeah not holding holding yeah also thinking oh my god am i crazy yeah like anyway i almost forgot about the the post and two and a half months later i got a pm are you still looking for somebody and when kyra when we exchanged notes her take was that she went onto the site she intended to click out

her inner voice told her to keep scrolling and she had to scroll for a while right two and a half months worth as soon as she saw my post she knew that's it and as soon as she contacted me it was like we've known each other for 100 years and they've now towed their tiny home, 4,000 kilometers, for all the way from Victoria to Queensland to be here. And they've been here for two months. And it's glorious. Yeah. And so it works.

I had to wait for the invitation. I knew it would change my life. One ad, well, one post got the right people two and a half months later. Well, even that post was an invitation because someone said. Yeah, because I was really trying to be. I mean, I know, you know, I've been told in my trainings, like the human design training, that, well, you wait for invitations by doing other stuff, being happy. You know, like I had invitations before,

but to start from scratch and create something that, you know, yeah. So I thought that was cool. So tell me, cause now I'm very curious. Akashic record readings ever come into seeming contradiction with the human design readings that you get. So that- No, that's the cool thing i was no i mean they're so different uh if if anything there's certain markers i get from human design that i

can't get from the akashic and vice versa um and certain things i would say in the akashic come out in human design but in it yeah but differently so no totally no however for example in the akashic i talked about that people have a divine gift. Most people have one standalone gift. Some have two. When you have two, sometimes they look like the exact opposite to each other. And when you have two, it can be actually harder because you have to work with them together. So then one might be, I'm a hermit yeah like divine power i'm a hermit i need a ultimately not hermit but oh i need to find it because i don't bring that up today go ahead you're going to hit the other one too go ahead yeah and the other one if you are the healer your divine love well you need family around you you need loved ones yeah

you need to be interdependent yeah so how do you work with these two conflicting energies yeah yeah what's fascinating today because it's life is synchronistic right i have a client and she's very much into human design and she said you know she she did she had her own chart and her chart was a hermit chart and a role model chart and she said and and i don't know i what i know about human design you know to make i know just enough to make me dangerous but i'm going to learn more now because i'm now really extra i mean i know the enneagram unbelievably well but i don't know human design unbelievably well but i'm gonna learn but she said yeah have a do you know who you are in human design your type i don't know what i am in human design no um because i tell you what just knowing that for me um like as a projector i basically but uh you know i'm not doing anything consciously here but a projector basically projects the energy

and energetically i would have put you in a bubble yeah it's like i'm piercing your energy and we are in a bubble and just knowing that bit and also knowing that the projector the opposite all the energy comes through us yeah so i had to work for years that i picked up everybody else's energy i'm you know i'm angry i'm sad i'm whatever it's not even me right yeah that's part of the projector as well very i mean i'm sure it's for everybody but projectors specifically yeah so just knowing and like as a generator you you're just your energy just draws things in yeah we actually don't like the whole thing of push push push it's we don't have to do that once we trust how we are designed vibrationally yeah so that's where you have the joy and the ease

well if you hear the noise that's my puppy scratching on the door you can invite your puppy into the yeah i might have to you might have to get up get up is this akash or isis this This is Isis. Isis, right? I remember that Isis was the puppy. Where is Isis? Oh my goodness. This is Isis. And now, come on Isis. The trick is to go through the doggy door at the back and then scratch the front door to come in at the front right that's done

now she's coming on the couch okay we all agree you see well you know i always knew that this was going to be a true love affair and that you were going to not be just doing this by yourself i didn't know what that meant but now i understand that this was really going to be you and isis and which is a whole different goddess than akash must be related to the akashic record somehow and if it's not then i'm confused but that be that as it may it's it's fun so and honestly i know probably, if I tell you this, you would probably go, sure. Oh, I'll go. When Akash came, consciously, I wanted to call him Angel. Okay, that was the conscious name.

And then I got through, it's Akash. And it took somebody, and I was actually Googling the name. I'm serious. It took somebody to point out, oh, Akash and Akashic Records. Right. I did not make the connection. I'm serious. Well, it's even.

Well, I mean, Akash ISIS is almost Akashish. You know, it's like I could really, you put them together and it's like somehow or other it becomes Akashic, you know, so that there's something of a union between Akash and Isis that is like something extraordinary, you know. I don't even know. Yeah, and they're very much connected, like even in,

in 3d terms. Yeah. I mean, look at them. Oh, oh, and I am so glad we did this on YouTube so that people can, for those of you who can just listen or just listening,

watch the YouTube because this was a moment that is worth like, see if you can. The animals. The animals. Yeah. Well, they're animals and I'm not sure they're beasts, but they are truly loving and they clearly love each other. And they also clearly feel very at home with you.

So that's a great thing. Feeling very blessed, seriously, having these beings in my life, even if they're on four legs, you know, they're still beings. Yeah, very supportive. Wow. Listen, I'm very glad I had a chance

to run into you into my life. So thank you so much. Is there any final thing, if you just really tune into your deepest intuitive knowing in your heart that you really want to say or share or anything as a way as we're coming towards our completion for today because i want to give you that chance if there's anything at all yeah look um my overwhelming sense is that we are now invited to be in the world but not be of the world yeah so in other sense in other words how can you go deeper within and really learn to know who you are and express that no matter what

happens around you because the world is in strife the world is in chaos at the moment and will be i think for a little while And the invitation now is really because the spiritual laws have not changed. The law of attraction is still working. There's still money here. All the resources are here. But we need to become stronger in how we manage our energy what we lend time for in all and really go within and trust your intuition and it's time now to really live your purpose because that's what the shift is all about it's about individuation and living your soul's calling

and so we're actually yes we are in full-on times but it's also exciting and no matter you know if if you have a heartfelt wish know that it's possible to create it and live it 100 percent thank you for that final message and everyone again this is shivani ganel you can find her and uh website is shivani.com shivani.com so that's how you can reach out shivani with a y yes which all of you will for those of you who are just watching or listening and don't do any of the reading that got you there it's shivani with a y and she does beautiful work and she's a beautiful soul as far as I can tell. And it's been a total pleasure having you here. And if you want to reach me, obviously you can reach us at lifecenteredtherapy.com.

And I also respond to all my own emails. If you want to reach me, you just write A-Han, Andy Han. So it's A-Han, H-A-h-n at lifecenteredtherapy.com and it's been a real pleasure and thank you so much and i hope this will be the beginning of if it's if it's a record it was really fun so we'll see where where life takes us and what the invitation is and having yeah i wish all of you goodbye and we'll see you soon yeah thank you