Hidden Brain - How Your Beliefs Shape Reality

Episode Date: March 7, 2023

As you move through the world, it's inevitable that your way of seeing things won't always align with the people around you. Maybe you disagree with the way your neighbor raises her kids, or find your... brother's politics to be troubling. But you may not realize how much your core beliefs shape your perception of the world. This week, we talk with psychologist Jer Clifton about how our beliefs shape our reality — and how we can use this knowledge to live happier and more harmonious lives.If you like our work, please consider supporting it! See how you can help at support.hiddenbrain.org. And to learn more about human behavior and ideas that can improve your life, subscribe to our newsletter at news.hiddenbrain.org.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Hidden Brain, I'm Shankar Vedanta. Once spring afternoon in 2011, Jeremy Clifton was in a rush. He was living in Atlanta trying to make ends meet, working as a tutor, a guitar teacher, and fitness instructor. On that day, he was running late to one of his many gigs. But as he waited for a train on the subway platform... I just heard a scream, and I looked down to my left and there was a guy down on the tracks.
Starting point is 00:00:30 And so I ran to him and I was about to reach him until someone yelled to me, don't touch him, don't touch him, don't touch him. Because he was right next to the third rail. The third rail, of course, is the live rail. It's surging with enough electricity to kill someone who touches it. In fact, first responders are taught to never grab someone who is in contact with the third rail because they could get electrocuted too.
Starting point is 00:01:00 I was like just six feet above him and trying to get him in a move and he began to come to and he moved his arm And he made contact with the third rail and just sparks flew up and down his body and I thought he was dead like I thought it was done But it didn't kill him and he looked up at me and he reached out his hand to me and I was like, ah, no, and I just grabbed his hand and helped pull him up out of the subway tracks. Jeremy experienced a bolt of electricity
Starting point is 00:01:36 shoot through him as he pulled the man up from the tracks. But he completed the rescue. A crowd that had gathered, cheered, someone recorded the entire incident. Very quickly, the story went viral. Jeremy was invited to go on television. Jeremy Clifton joins us right now live in the beautiful city of Atlanta, Georgia. Jeremy, who usually goes by chair, was lauded as a savior.
Starting point is 00:02:01 And the victim, he was characterized as a good for nothing drunk. Apparently he'd had way too much to drink earlier before he wound up at the subway. Jared didn't like the way the story was unfolding. He had helped someone who had fallen. He didn't feel he had done anything heroic. Yeah, I became increasingly uncomfortable with this story and I didn't like it at all. What actually made Jair unusual is that the incident prompted him to ask a question that was fundamentally psychological in nature. Why was his perception of the incident so different? This week on Hidden Brain, we explore this mystery of perception and the powerful implications
Starting point is 00:02:46 it has for living a harmonious and meaningful life. In 1982, Tara broke out in a small community in Lebanon just outside Beirut. A paramilitary group stormed the Palestinian refugee camp, killing hundreds. Almost immediately, they were speculated that the Israeli army, who had invaded Lebanon weeks before, had coordinated the attack. A few years later, the psychologist Lee Ross showed media coverage of the incident to two groups.
Starting point is 00:03:36 One was pro-Israeli, the other was pro-Palestinian. Ross wanted to know, how would two groups of people with very different beliefs react to the same media clips. In a 2019 interview with the Association for Psychological Science, he described what he found. The data were really quite remarkable. There were no overlapping cases. Everybody who labeled themselves as pro-Israeli saw that coverage as more anti-Israeli than anyone who saw the coverage and was anti-Israeli. It was no overlap in the data.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Pro-Israelis felt the new Sclips painted Israel in a bad light. Propalastinians said no. The clips were depicting Palestinians in a bad light. How could it be, Ross wondered, that people could watch the very same clips and come to wildly different conclusions? This is an example where it was a natural experiment. We didn't cleverly design the materials to make this happen. The materials were designed by CBS and NBC News,
Starting point is 00:04:43 who, if anything, wanted their coverage to be seen as fair and impartial. But this phenomenon was strong enough so that they didn't, and everybody not only saw the media as biased against them. They wanted to censored, thought it was be harmful to show, and would turn people against their just cause. It was almost as if the two groups had seen two different realities. Lee Ross eventually came up with a term for this phenomenon.
Starting point is 00:05:17 He called it the hostile media effect. People on opposite sides of a spectrum can both feel the media is biased against them. Ironically, the more media outlets attempt to be fair, the less likely they often are to be perceived as impartial by partisans and others who are deeply invested in a particular viewpoint. If I see the world as white and you see it as black and someone comes along and says, it's kind of gray, a mixture of black and white,
Starting point is 00:05:44 we're both going to be dissatisfied. So we make the startling prediction that both the left and the right are going to think that the media are biased against them. Leros, who died in 2021, conducted a number of other experiments to show how people with different viewpoints see fundamentally different worlds. who died in 2021 conducted a number of other experiments to show how people with different viewpoints see fundamentally different worlds. One of his most important contributions was to coin the term, the fundamental attribution era.
Starting point is 00:06:14 The truly fundamental attribution era is really the illusion of objectivity, that I have a sense that what I perceive is the way it really is. And that's just with the fact that as human beings we perceive a real world that has color and solid substances, and we take it for granted that our perception of things are as they really are. And therefore, to the extent that other people see it differently, the thing to be explained is why there was other people see it differently. This is why, when others don't agree with us on some important issue, we swiftly assume there must be something wrong with them.
Starting point is 00:06:57 They must be misinformed, uneducated, biased. These beliefs can cause international conflicts, but they also show up in our daily lives. As you see it in elderly couples arguing about how to set the thermostat, one says the room is too cold, and the other says no it's lovely. And one of them will agree to accommodate the other and from their viewpoint sit in a boiling hot room to accommodate their spouse, but they have no doubt that the room is actually boiling hot, and there's something wrong with their spouse. But great comic George Carlin had a line.
Starting point is 00:07:38 He said, did you ever notice? I've never noticed when you're driving that anyone who's driving slower than you is an idiot? And anyone driving faster than you is a maniac! Yours, after the subway incident in Atlanta, Jerric Lifton stumbled on the idea of the fundamental attribution era. He was starting to become a psychologist.
Starting point is 00:08:03 Lee Ross' work helped to make his own experience make sense. He had believed that the way he saw the world was objectively true. But what he saw was shaped by his prior beliefs, just like everybody else's version of reality, was shaped by their points of view. Jair realized he felt his behavior on the subway platform was not unusual because he tended to have an optimistic view about people. In fact, this had started right from when he was a child. So I grew up with a stutter and my full name is J. A. R. Me and I still get stuck on it.
Starting point is 00:08:40 I'm a pretty outgoing guy. I'm a pretty extroverted guy, and Stuttering made me more of a thinker, and I thought God gave me a stutter because he wanted me to write. In this optimistic view, Jair Stutter became a kind of superpower. He found ways to work around his stutter, like drawing out his speech. Over time, Jair came by the work of another pioneer in behavioral science. Psychologist Aaron Beck was not looking at geopolitical conflict. He was studying people with emotional disorders.
Starting point is 00:09:16 And Beck comes along and he was a depression researcher. And he found that depressed people were making these claims like, I'm worthless, or my boss hates me, or my spouse thinks that I'm not good at this, and so on and so forth. And people had known for forever that these extremely negative beliefs were a part of depression somehow, but they thought that they were symptoms. And Beck was really the first one who was like, you know what, these extremely simple
Starting point is 00:09:53 and even simplistic statements are not symptoms, perhaps. They are causes. It turned out to be a profound insight. Most of us think that we see the world as it is, that our beliefs are shaped by our experiences. So we don't stop to wonder if our beliefs might actually shape the world we see. So if you think that your boss doesn't like you or hates you and you get a ambiguous email from him. Your belief might be pushing you to believe something that might not be true. An ambiguous email from a supervisor can be interpreted as a passive-aggressive comment instead of a simple reminder of an upcoming deadline.
Starting point is 00:10:42 of an upcoming deadline. Aaron Beck hypothesized that if our beliefs about the world cause us to see the world in a negative light, changing those beliefs could change the way we experience the world. By deliberately re-appraising and recalibrating our thinking, we can change the way we feel. We can swap out the lens through which we see the world, for another lens, a better, more accurate lens. Eventually, this treatment approach became known
Starting point is 00:11:08 as cognitive behavioral therapy or CBT. There are a variety of tools that clinicians have to teach a person in a therapy session to dispute their belief and the interpretations of any given event in their life that the belief might influence. And to this day, it's arguably the most important inner mention that researchers have. And it's based on the idea that these beliefs are not symptoms, that they are causes of depression outcomes. Lee Ross had shown it was a mistake to assume that the way we see the world is the way it really is. Aaron Beck reinforced this idea by showing how false beliefs about our flaws and failings
Starting point is 00:12:06 can cause untold, disparent suffering. When we come back, Jair Clifton starts to ask, what are the other lenses that shape how we see the world? You'll listen to Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedanta. This is Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedanta. Every day, everywhere in the world, people clash with other people. We struggle to understand why others don't quite see things our way,
Starting point is 00:12:48 from our loved ones to our world leaders. We ascribe our differences to personality quirks. My husband doesn't want to go wine tasting because he's unadventurous. Or we attribute our conflicts to differences in intellect. My uncle doesn't support the new proposition because he's uninformed. Sometimes we can't seem to pin our differences on anything at all. Someone disagrees with us and we wonder how could they possibly believe that? We shake our heads at their irrationality.
Starting point is 00:13:26 possibly believe that. We shake our heads at their irrationality. Psychological research suggests a different explanation. All of us assume we see the world objectively, when in fact we don't. Since everyone has a different version of reality inside their heads and everyone believes their version is objectively true, you end up with disagreement and conflict. At the University of Pennsylvania, Jared Clifton learned about the work of Lee Ross and Aaron Beck. He asked himself if there were fundamental beliefs that shaped the way large numbers of people perceive reality. He found a lot of research that examined one particular set of beliefs, whether people thought the world was fair or unfair and Believe in the just world is an idea from Melvin
Starting point is 00:14:13 Learner 1980 and this is the belief that the world is a place where you get what you deserve and deserve what you get And it has been tied to dozens and dozens and dozens of different life outcomes. And they really come down to four main buckets, right? So if you see the world as a just place, you tend to work hard. So belief in a just world is tied to GDP in countries. It's tied to being more productive in the workplace. And the idea is that if you work hard, you just have this assumption that it'll come back to you somehow. It's tied to be nicer, because don't be a jerk,
Starting point is 00:14:55 because that's going to come back and bite you. Be nice, because the world will reward you for that. So when you meet a stranger, like don't be a jerk. The third one is that you tend to be happier, because of course, it's nicer to be in a place that's just and also if you work hard and you're nicer you tend to be more successful. But the fourth bucket is you tend to blame victims. So not as good of a thing. So if the world is just placed then if you're poor then maybe you were lazy. If you're sick well maybe you didn't take precautions and so on and so forth. And so believing in the just world is even tied to like blaming sexual assault victims amongst women because the assumption is again that like well the world tends to be a place where you get what you deserve. So it's tied to both these good things and these bad things.
Starting point is 00:15:48 The voluminous research into just world beliefs showed Jair how beliefs could have profound downstream effects on behavior. And as with the Israelis and Palestinian supporters in Lee Ross's experiment or the depressed patients in Aaron Beck studies, people had no idea that their views about hard work or politeness or the criminal justice system were being influenced by the beliefs that they had brought to those questions. As Jair found more and more evidence that belief in a just world plays a powerful role in perception, he asked himself an important
Starting point is 00:16:23 question. When we discovered belief in a just world and that so much great work had been done already, we were like, well, that's just one of them, right? Like what about the other ones? What about the other ones? What other beliefs were out there that could have profound effects on the way we see reality, the way we act in the world. Jair recruited a team of researchers to identify as many general beliefs of the world as possible. They looked at religious texts and famous writings going back thousands of years. Oh my goodness, so this is what's, to me, pretty insane about these beliefs is that they've been in plain sight like for so long.
Starting point is 00:17:08 So in Ecclesiastes, all things are meaningless. That's a belief about the world that nothing matters. The duke, the first of the four, no-beltrude's aboo-dism is that life is suffering. A definitive aspect of life is suffering. Hera Klaitis thought the world was defined by change. She's the one that said you can't step into the same river twice. Pah, Thagares said that the world is defined by beauty. You can see global beliefs being expressed all the time in popular culture. Think of the classic line from Wesley, the main character in the movie The Princess Bright. You mock my pain. Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something. Or the classic line from the movie Forrest Gump. My mom always said, life was like a box of chocolates.
Starting point is 00:18:07 You never know what you're going to get. Jair and his three-year-old kid recently watched Tangled. Disney's take on the classic fairy tale Rapunzel. I love this story because the whole thing is about your beliefs about the world as a whole is one big place. So the witch is trying to manipulate Rapunzel by teaching her that the world is a scary place, like that's what she says. And Rapunzel goes out into the world anyway, and at first she's scared, she jumps at like
Starting point is 00:18:41 the bunny in the bushes. Superfiance, folks, have they come for me? She goes to the bar with the scary looking people just to find out that they're actually nice, and things look scary and they're actually nice, a lot of the time. I've got a dream, see how I ain't just cruel and vicious as I see. And then she discovers throughout the film
Starting point is 00:19:01 such that the big moment when she realizes this world is wondrous and you were trying to manipulate me and it's a privilege to be alive in this world. Once Jair and his team began identifying these overarching beliefs about the world, that it's wondrous or that it's dangerous or that it's painful, they couldn't stop. They launched into a full-scale research project. So we spent 18 months trying to wrap our arms around, what are all of the possible beliefs that one could have about the world's whole as one big place. Really basic beliefs. So we look through 80,000 tweets
Starting point is 00:19:49 that begins with phrases like the world is, life is, and everything is. The universe is falling apart. The world is full of magical things. The universe is a scary place. We had 12 focus groups, ten of which were in the four biggest world religions. If God wills it.
Starting point is 00:20:09 Nothing is by chance. My home is with God. We looked at the 840 most used adjectives in contemporary American English drawn from a day to base of 450 million words. Present. Good. Boring. Abundant.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Mechanical. Peaceful. And that's like four or three of like ten things we did. After all this digging, Jair and his team reached something of a saturation point, meaning they weren't discovering any new beliefs. They grouped together varying perspectives that people had about the world. They called these perspectives primal world beliefs.
Starting point is 00:20:57 Jair said they fell into three main categories. The first one is a belief the world is a safe place versus a more dangerous place. Think back to the movie Tangled. Rapunzel saw the world through the witch's eyes as a scary place where everyone was out to get her. Over time, this belief changed. She began to see the world as a place that she could freely explore. The second main belief is the belief the world is enticing versus dull. And the central idea is to that one is the belief that the world is full of beautiful and interesting and meaningful and funny things versus dull, barren, boring, ugly. Maybe you had a roommate in college who found everything dull,
Starting point is 00:21:47 while you found yourself fascinated by the smallest things. It's likely you were on opposite ends of the enticing versus dull spectrum. The third main belief was that the world was alive, rather than mechanistic. And that's the belief that the world is imbued with intention and purpose that interacts with you and needs your help for an important task. And so the flip side of that is folks can see the world as mechanistic and that's the belief that the world has no special need of you, things don't occur because of some purpose,
Starting point is 00:22:29 and it isn't interacting with you in a special way, and it's probably indifferent. If you reflect on where you fall on the spectrum of each of these beliefs, you'll likely see that there are connections between them. So if you tend to see the world as safe, you also likely see the world as enticing. And you also likely compared to others tend to see the world as alive. In the same way, if you see the world as a dangerous place, the odds are that you see the world
Starting point is 00:22:58 as a dull place and a mecha-nistic place. These connections play into something Jair calls an umbrella belief, a belief at the top of the hierarchy that affects everything else. And that overarching idea is whether you believe the world is a good place or a bad place. This is perhaps the most fundamental question that all of us have to respond to, is this world worth existing? Is it a privilege to get to live in this world? Or is it more of a curse to have been born here?
Starting point is 00:23:38 And according to all of these incredible theorists and researchers, we have every reason to think this overarching belief that the world is a good place, as well as the other should play a role in a whole range of different life outcomes. Some of these outcomes are straightforward. For example, if you see the world as an enticing place, you are
Starting point is 00:24:05 probably a more curious person than someone who sees the world as dull. But what about the outcomes associated with believing the world is a fundamentally bad place where danger exists at every turn and people are mostly self-serving? Could holding this belief protect people from bad things? To answer this question, Jair's team studied the effect that seeing the world as a dangerous place had on people. They looked at parents and children. Many, many parents want to teach their kids that the world's a bad place. And that's not like a reflective act. It is a conscious goal that they have.
Starting point is 00:24:46 It seems intuitive that if kids learn the world is dangerous, they will be more vigilant about dangers. It makes sense that teaching them this belief could protect them from harm, but that's not what Jair and his team discovered. And basically we found very little evidence, very few places where seen the world as a bad place was tied to good things. Thinking about who are the people that tend to be successful, who are the people that tend to be healthy, they're not people who see the world as a dangerous place, they're
Starting point is 00:25:18 people who tend to see it as safe. Again, the lenses through which we see the world change the world that we see. As Aaron Beck had found with depressed patients, some lenses cause people to feel sadness and despair. Other lenses cause them to feel better adjusted. Most of us have views about whether the world is a good place or a bad place, a safe place or a dangerous place. But if you set aside for a moment the question of which beliefs you think people should have,
Starting point is 00:25:50 and ask instead which beliefs allow people to live more meaningful and harmonious lives, the question then becomes the same question Aaron Beckost. Is there a way to swap out lenses that make us unhappy for ones that make us feel and function better? You're listening to Hidden Brain, I'm Shankar Vedanta. This is Hidden Brain, I'm Shankar Vedanta. You've heard the saying to see the world through roasted-inted glasses. The implication is that you put a positive spin on things. But why do some of us see the world with a rosy glow while others feel like we're looking through smudged and scratched spectacles.
Starting point is 00:26:47 And if you're a member of that second group, is it possible to swap out your lenses for new ones? At the University of Pennsylvania, psychologist Jerric Lifton has encountered two similar stories with very different endings that help to answer this question. The first is about Jer's grandfather-in-law, who was a combat dentist in World War II. He walked on the front lines, helping peace back together the faces and mouths of soldiers. It was a brutal job. After returning from war, he struggled to see the world as anything but cruel.
Starting point is 00:27:22 And thus, a family saying was born. Whenever something bad happened, he turned to a son, Jair's father-in-law, and say, Life's a s**t sandwich and you just took your first bite. And this became like a mantra. And it was shared in a loving way. It was like, hey, I need to teach you this really important thing about the world. The world's going to be a bad place and you need to be prepared for it. This story stood out to Jair as a prime example of how experiences can shape your beliefs about the world. That was until Jair thought back on an experience he had had in college.
Starting point is 00:27:57 He was in Europe on a choir trip when he met an older tour guide named Sarah. She was one of those cool people that everyone in the group was trying to figure out how they could talk to her. So I got my time with her in the basement of a restaurant in Lithu way, where it was like exposed brick. It's where they keep the wine. The candles are melting off of the side of the brick. She told me the story of being a young Jewish girl in Poland,
Starting point is 00:28:27 where at the very beginning of World War II, the Nazis and the Russians split Poland in half and take it. And the Nazis came through her town and marched people down both sides of a street, and then the Nazis in the middle of the street turned and shot all the people on one side. And then they turned to the other side, and that was Sarah and her mom and dad and her sister, I think, and shipped them off to Concentre, Jean-Campson. She went to Four Camps, and I can't remember the name of the first three, but the last one was Auschwitz. And at that point, I believe her parents
Starting point is 00:29:06 and her sister had already died. And she was in Auschwitz, Christmas Eve 1944. So this is the last Christmas of the war. And she doesn't know that. She's just been in these camps now for years. In the biggest perhaps worst camp of the war, Christmassy, and she was sick. So she was in the in Fur Marie. So like the worst part of the worst camp, like incredibly awful conditions. And she was lying there in a cot, and there was a girl next to her about the same age.
Starting point is 00:29:42 And they reached across the cot, and they held hands. And she said to me in this basement of this restaurant, and that's realized that the world was so full of love and connection, and it was massive and impossible to stamp out. And the world was so wondrous, so wondrous that I had no choice but to believe that there was a God and to be grateful. So, I mean, you give me two examples of people. One, your grandfather in law, who, as you said, was a combat dentist in World War II, and Sarah's in a concentration camp also in World War II, and they both go through terrible experiences. And one of them basically says, you know, life is terrible, and welcome to this terrible world that's only going to get
Starting point is 00:30:41 worse with time. And the other one says, life is wondrous and amazing and we're filled and surrounded by connection and love. It begs the question, where do these beliefs come from? Because clearly both Sarah and your grandfather and law had ample evidence to support the belief that the world is in fact unsafe. One of them did and one of them didn't. Exactly. Like the funny thing is, is that we all tell these tales of our lives to make sense of our beliefs. But for all I know that my granddad and law already saw the world as a bad place.
Starting point is 00:31:15 And the experience that he went through just confirmed that the world is a bad place. And Sarah might have already seen the world as a good place, but that moment might have even pushed her more, like it might have crystallized for her. So it's entirely possible that they each approached the incredibly awful things that they came through and were essentially strengthened in the beliefs that they already had. And don't leave.
Starting point is 00:31:43 Jair was seeing that people did not always arrive at their primal beliefs as a result of their experiences. But he wanted to test this idea scientifically. He and his colleagues put together a survey asking lay people and researchers to guess what people's primal world beliefs were after giving them information about people's backgrounds. Do you think people who live in high crimes of codes would see the world as a dangerous place? And to what extent? Do you think people who are rich see the world as abundant?
Starting point is 00:32:15 They also asked, do you think people who are poor see the world as more barren? Do you think people who have experienced trauma perceive the world as more dangerous? Then they look to see how people's predictions lined up with reality. Do people in high crime zip code see the world is more scary? Do people in high income zip code see the world is more abundant? Do people who are wealthy see the world is more abundant? And so on and so forth. And I think what's kind of surprising is that people who are rich aren't more likely to see the world as abundant.
Starting point is 00:32:49 People who are poor aren't more likely to see the world as barren. People who live in high-crime zip codes aren't more likely to see the world as a dangerous place. And of course, that's really different than like a rich, incredible, leabat experience like being a combat dentist in World War II or going through Auschwitz.
Starting point is 00:33:10 So like, I'm very reluctant to make claims on the impact of extreme particular traumas. But I think what we're finding just again and again and again and again is that human beings are actually terrible at predicting the primal world beliefs of people based on their backgrounds. Our beliefs do not appear to be the consequence of our experiences. Instead, as Aaron back hypothesized, they are the lenses through which we see everything that happens to us. Take, for instance, the COVID-19 pandemic.
Starting point is 00:33:48 Pandemics are awful, but if you study world beliefs, worldwide events are very useful. And it was fascinating because we assumed that when the world objectively became a more dangerous place, that the belief the world as a dangerous place would go up. And we had two samples that we administered right before the pandemic, it was just luck that we had these samples, both in the U.S. And what we found was no change at all. No change at all. There was no statistically detectable change in these samples in their belief that the world is a dangerous place because of the pandemic. Jerk Lifton realized that if primal beliefs are upstream of our experiences rather than the consequence of
Starting point is 00:34:37 our experiences, we can and probably should change our beliefs in ways that can make our lives more meaningful. If people aren't updating these beliefs because of worldwide events, and if people aren't updating these beliefs because of the events in your own lives, then if you wanna see the world as a good place, if that's like an attractive option to you,
Starting point is 00:35:01 there is no reason to wait. There is no reason to wait until your own life gets better or the world gets better. Because the odds are, if it does get better, if it got dramatically better, the odds are, is that your primals would not change. Jair has personal experience with changing one of his own primal beliefs. When he was in college, he began to feel like life was dull. So he did something about it. He took active measures to cultivate his own curiosity
Starting point is 00:35:29 about the natural world. And one of the things that I did in my own life that seemed to change my belief was called the leaf exercise. So the leaf exercise is an exercise where I'm trying to reintroduce the fact that ubiquitous beauty is all around us all the time. That beauty that we ignore, that we don't pay attention to is there, and we just don't see it. So in this exercise, you go to a park or a forest, you pluck a single leaf off of a tree and you look at that one leaf.
Starting point is 00:36:08 And you look at the speckled nest on the front and the veins on the back and you soak up the beauty in that single leaf. You pluck a second leaf from the tree. You look at that leaf. You look at how the story of that leaf is similar but not the same as the one you just plucked. Then you take a step back and take a deep breath and you look at the tree. The average adult oak tree has 250,000 leaves. Each one is a beautiful thing. And then you take a proverbial step back and I would take a
Starting point is 00:36:46 step back in my mind and just imagine the four risks of Siberia and the Amazon and then you take another step back of all these leaves and you think about all of the plants and the trees that have gone before you that produce the air that you now breathe and all of the trees that will come because you just have a slice in time you just have the leaves that exist right now all the air that you now breathe and all of the trees that will come. Because you just have a slice in time, you just have the leaves that exist right now, all the leaves that will come. And then you pile all those leaves and you realize that all these leaves, if they were rare, would be mounted in place in halls of art. And it's only that they're ubiquitous, that they fall and we walk on them, and they're considered worthless. And then you ask yourself what sort of world this is.
Starting point is 00:37:50 And what's your thinking that this will do for you? The disability to slow down, see the world in its wondrousness? What do you hope that it's going to accomplish for you? Well, so I did that exercise like maybe once a week or so. And I also started to journal about five new beautiful things that I saw each day. And for me, I really, the central idea for me in my own life was the belief that the world is a beautiful place. It felt awkward at first.
Starting point is 00:38:13 It felt like I wasn't good at it. And then I got better at it, like the muscle developed. And I began to just pour out, and I would, and I found myself just walking around noticing beautiful things in my life and it's partly why I fell in love with my wife because she would point out the beautiful things in my life and we became buddies to like see the beauty that is around us all the time.
Starting point is 00:38:36 And I realized from that process that my own well-being was going up. This is not to say that changing primal beliefs is easy or quick. Very much as Aaron Beck found with cognitive behavioral therapy, changing the way you think involves practice and effort. The habits of mind that you have cultivated over 20, 40 or 60 years cannot be changed overnight. As Jair showed with his research on the effects of the COVID pandemic, primal beliefs are not easily shaken. Just because beliefs are stable across time doesn't mean that they can't be changed, but we're not going to change them just by making our own lives
Starting point is 00:39:19 or the world better. And I think that's the big takeaway, that the world might get dramatically better. Your own life might get dramatically better. And that's probably not going to change. Your world believes that much. Efforts to change your world beliefs have to be about something else. And I think that comes down to understanding that there are lenses by exploring the fact that you have a lens, that you don't have to have the lens that you have, that there are options. The nice thing is now, Shankar, is that you got people that are way more smart than me who are working on this now. There's a whole bunch of incredible research coming.
Starting point is 00:40:02 In the next few years, I'm very hopeful that someone's going to begin to crack the code about how not just to shift these beliefs, but to change them quite a bit. The research on how to change primal world beliefs is ongoing. Jair, as you might expect from a person who is an optimist, is optimistic. But even if you don't change your beliefs, Jair argues there are important reasons just to understand the primal beliefs you do have. He discovered this himself in his interactions with his mother. So I have a history of living in rough parts of town.
Starting point is 00:40:41 So my wife and I have lived in West Philly. We lived in the west side of Buffalo. And my mom has lived in Taiwan and Hong Kong and has lived in all these parts of the world. And when she would come to visit me, she would be anxious. She would make comments about the crime where I lived. And she just kind of like was negative about where I lived. What would you say? It was nothing dramatic. It was just like, oh man, I've heard that crime is really going up here. And like, do you think that like, it's okay that I park here?
Starting point is 00:41:14 And it was just like a constant like negative stream of like, man, I wish you didn't live in such a rough area. And I kind of got to the point that I just kind of felt vaguely insulted, like it was a predictable thing that like she would come and I would feel vaguely insulted about where I live. And it annoyed me. When Jerp began researching primal world beliefs, he developed a survey that would identify people's world beliefs depending on their answers. He sent it to a bunch of folks in his life, including his mom.
Starting point is 00:41:46 So she took the survey and she sent me the results. Turns out my own mother sees the world as a dangerous place. And I looked at it and I thought there was a mistake, because my mom is outgoing. She's not anxious. We had people in our lives all the time, she kicked my butt out the door and said, yes, you have a stutter but go have fun and explore and don't be scared. And when I discovered this like last year, it kind of blew my mind and it
Starting point is 00:42:17 allowed me to understand all these stories from my past in like a new way. stories from my past in like a new way. [♪ Music playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in that we use these beliefs to fill in ambiguity in our lives when we don't know. And so my mom would come to visit me in these new places. She would fill in based on her general belief about the world as a whole. But then as she learned more about that place, she would need to rely less on this prior belief. And then it would go away.
Starting point is 00:43:05 And it wasn't because my mom was anxious or fearful or whatever, it's because she had this underlying belief about the world. And to me, that's like a really important takeaway. We're working on different ways to change these beliefs and which ones are helpful and which ones are hurtful and so on and so forth, but at minimum, it allows us to understand each other. I'm less angry at my mother when she's comes to visit me and she's scared or anxious about the part of town
Starting point is 00:43:37 that I live in. I've come to expect that and be patient with that because if I, if we switched our beliefs, if I had her belief about the world, I would likely be doing the exact same thing. If you consider your own life, it's likely you sometimes lock horns with the people around you. It might be an overbearing parent or a coworker, or maybe it's a friend who doesn't seem to share your political views.
Starting point is 00:44:06 Jared says taking a moment to consider that primal world beliefs might be a game changer. I'm guessing there's a whole bunch of people that are extremely close to you that you might actually not know their underlying beliefs about the world as a whole, and if you knew them, it would provide insight and more patience as you deal with them. knew them, it would provide insight and more patience as you deal with them. That's actually a huge way that I've become a lot more patient is deeply understanding the primal world-lace of each side. It's allowed me to become more patient with the people in my life. Jeremy Clifton is a psychologist at the University of Pennsylvania. Hidden Brain is produced by Hidden Brain Media. Our audio production team includes Bridget McCarthy, Annie Murphy Paul, Kristen Wong, Laura
Starting point is 00:45:17 Quarelle, Ryan Katz, Autumn Barnes and Andrew Chadwick. Tara Boyle is our executive producer. I'm Hidden Brain's Executive Editor. For today's Anson Hero, we turn the mic over to you, our listeners. It's a story from our show My Anson Hero. Today's story comes from Kate Baker. About 20 years ago, Kate and her husband and their two-year-old son, Niel, were on a flight from New York to Europe. All three of us were healthy, but halfway over the Atlantic Ocean, Niel started to get very warm and his face was red. Then he started foaming at the mouth. He was
Starting point is 00:46:01 having a seizure. The flight attendants were going up and down the aisle, asking anyone if they were a doctor, if they could take a look at him, no one would come forward, and then the pilot started announcing, is there a doctor on board? And should I turn this plane around, and again, no one came forward. Then one of the flight attendants asked my husband who was holding the ill, is he breathing? And he said just barely. I was standing in the aisle. Well when I heard those words, I think I must have gone into shock because I couldn't feel anything and I couldn't speak. Then I noticed three women passengers get out of their seats and come toward me. They were Muslim women wearing the hijab and they came to me and
Starting point is 00:46:55 put their arms around me. Then they were speaking to me in a language that I didn't understand. It might have been Arabic or Turkish. I'm not sure. But the tone of their voice was so so soothing and they stood there with me with their arms around me until the flight attendant told us that we should move to the front of the plane and take a seat up there. We arrived in Amsterdam and went directly to the clinic. They couldn't find anything wrong with Neil. By that time he was fine, but we got on another plane in a few hours and went back home to New Jersey. We went immediately to a pediatrician who discovered that Neil had just had an ear infection. And he had a seizure because his temperature spiked very rapidly on the plane.
Starting point is 00:47:49 So Neil was fine, we treated him for the ear infection, and everything was fine. But I never forgot those women and how supportive they were. I grew up in a place where there were no Muslims, very few people of color, and everyone spoke English. So that encounter was very new for me. I will never forget them and what they did for me. We may not speak the same language or share the same beliefs or religion, but none of that really matters to me because we can connect on a very deep human level. So if I ever saw those women again, I would just say thank you so much and I love you. Kate Baker lives in Middlesex, New Jersey.
Starting point is 00:48:44 Her son Neil is now grown and works with adults who have autism. If you would like to help us build more stories like this, please act now. Visit support.hiddenbrain.org and join the hundreds of other hidden brain listeners who have agreed to help. Again, that support.hiddenbrain.org. I'm Shankar Vedanthanam. See you soon. you

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