Hidden Brain - The Things We Don't Say
Episode Date: August 31, 2026From childhood, we're taught that honesty is the best policy. Yet in everyday life, we hedge, soften our words, and leave things unsaid. This week, we talk with psychologist Steven Pinker about why in...direct speech is such a fundamental part of human relationships. How long can you stay focused on a task before your attention is drawn elsewhere? In our latest YouTube video, we explore what the science says about our shrinking attention spans, and how you can begin to reclaim your focus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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This is Hidden Brain.
I'm Shankar Vedantam.
When children are very small,
their minds are often an open book.
They say what they mean.
They blurt out things.
This can come across as both cruel and charming.
The little boy laughs aloud
when someone slips on a banana peel and gets hurt.
The little girl tells her uncle that his face is ugly.
In Hans Christian Anderson's famous folktale,
the emperor's new clothes,
a child is the only one who speaks truth
to power. The king
has been taken in by conmen
who pretend to clothe him in marvelous robes
that are actually non-existent.
The king's courtiers
marvel at their majesty's fine garments,
even though he is walking around naked.
Finally, a small child blurts
out what everyone can see,
but no one wants to say aloud.
The king is a fool.
The folk tale has many parallels in real life.
Authoritarian leaders
throughout history have surrounded themselves with yes men who tell them their every action
is wise and brave.
When we listen to stories like the Emperor's new clothes, most of us identify with the child.
We think that if we were in that situation, we too would be honest.
We too would speak truth to power.
Today on the show, we explore the many ways in which we fail to say what we mean and mean
what we say.
It turns out, most of us are.
are not the kid in the story.
We're the courtiers.
The power and the peril of coming clean.
This week on Hidden Brain.
Get to the point.
Don't mince your words.
Lay it all on me.
We have countless expressions about the value
of being direct with others.
And yet, as we go through life,
we often don't just say what we mean.
We hedge.
We weave.
We dodge.
At Harvard University,
psychologist Stephen Pinker studies language, social relations, and the mind.
He has thought deeply about what our evasions and euphemisms might reveal about us.
Steve Pinker, welcome to Hidden Brain.
Thank you.
Steve, as an eminent member of the Harvard faculty,
you are sometimes called upon to help the university president raise money.
Tell me what this is like.
Do you have to whine and dine potential donors?
Well, there was one episode that sticks in memory.
That was when the president of the university recruited me to have dinner with a, as they say, a high net worth individual.
That is a euphemism for Filthy Rich.
This was one of the world's highest net worth individuals, as they, as the fundraising office says,
or to use another euphemism, the Development Office, says.
And I took a train to Manhattan for the
event. The goal, of course, was to solicit a very, very, very large donation, or again,
another euphemism, a gift to Harvard from this high net worth individual. And it was at
an expensive, quiet restaurant. We were, me and the university president were seated at a quiet
remote table waiting for our partner to join us.
We conferred and the president indicated that we would see how the conversation proceeded.
We wouldn't bring up the gift, obviously.
In fact, I wouldn't bring it up at all.
Establish a warm rapport, a mood of conviviality and intimacy.
And as we were having this conversation in this dark corner of
a rather romantic restaurant.
It reminded me of something.
Kind of reminded me if when I was single
and I was at a hot date
because,
both parties kind of know
what you're there for,
or at least what issue is kind of hanging over them.
But it would be
gauche, to say the least,
to just blur it out,
even though both sides know
what the evening is ultimately about.
So I can imagine that one reason the university president wants you by his side is because the potential donor, this high net worth individual, will feel good about having dinner with a star member of the faculty.
So you're not the eye candy, but you're the brain candy?
Who's the brain candy?
You know, on any date, or many days, there's entertainment.
You go to a concert, you go to a movie.
So that's kind of the entertainment.
but also it was, I was part of the deal insofar as a lot of tech entrepreneurs are very, very smart people
who forwent a career in writing or academia or intellectual activities in order to pursue their goal of founding a successful company.
But they're very smart, they're very curious.
They kind of miss the banter, the repartee, the intellectual discussion, being close to the cutting edge of ideas.
You know, they genuinely are intellectually curious and smart.
And forging a connection with a university is a way for them to be a member of a community that they long to be part of.
And so, you know, what are we to put it crudely?
And again, this is exactly what you cannot do.
But what that evening was all about was, you know, give us, you know,
hundreds of millions of dollars,
we'll name something after you,
and you'll get to hang out with interesting people.
That's the quid pro quo.
But when this gentleman sat down,
the president said,
hey, if you give us $150 million,
then we'll name the program after you,
and you can speak to Pinker and Michael Sandell
and other Harvard faculty as often as you want.
that would put a kind of paw over the evening.
It would be, you know, even though it would have cut out a lot of, you know, time,
these are busy individuals, but somehow offering to save that time
would be like on a date saying, okay, so are we going to have sex at the end of this or not?
Even though, you know, there's a sense of which that would have been a shocking thing to say
and a not shocking thing to say at the same time because both parties know it,
they kind of know that the other one knows it,
but they may not know that the other one knows
that they know that the other one knows they know it.
Language has to do two things at once.
It's a channel of communication.
Bits and bytes are exchanged for particular purposes,
sharing information, negotiating agreements.
At the same time, it establishes a particular kind of social relationship.
Are we just transactional partners,
pure quid pro quo?
Are we friends?
Do we have like a communal, warm, intimate relationship?
Is it a relationship of dominance?
That is, is one person clearly the dominant and the other subordinate?
People care a lot about which of those relationships they have.
And the way you often cement them is with explicit verbal declarations
in the case of a romantic couple, it's like, I love you, and then they reciprocate that I love you.
Or it can be nonverbal cues having a nice dinner together.
That's often the way a friendship is cemented.
In the course of this dinner that you were having with this high-net-worth individual,
how did the conversation go?
I'm assuming you didn't start by talking about money,
or perhaps money didn't come up at all through most of that conversation.
Money never came up.
It was a lively conversation.
is a very smart person, intellectually curious.
He talked about the human genome project, the development of the brain,
issues facing the university, economics.
The actual cold, hard financial transaction was, I think, relegated to the,
my people will call your people stage.
And some of that was out of earshot of me being nearly the entertainment,
not one of the partners.
But the idea, both on a date and...
and in a solicitation for funds,
is to avoid the impression that the relationship is transactional.
The idea is that we are in a relationship of sharing,
of warmth, of intimacy, of mutual concern.
And so all the signals have to indicate that.
Now, in the case of solicitation of a donation,
as of course with sex and romance,
there actually often is a genuine relationship together with the actual exchange of favors.
But still, it's a lot of emotional capital goes into preventing any impression that this is a transactional relationship.
Those do occur, but I suspect that probably the most univocent gifts tend to occur when they are considered to be, you know, as they say a gift.
something that is layered on top of a communal relationship.
And this is, in the case of the university, the intellectual stimulation and exchange,
together with the prestige of not being merely a capitalist profit maximizer,
but also a philanthropist for cultural and educational institutions.
Those are the ultimate incentives.
So I'm wondering at a dinner like this, and the analogy to sexual courtship is apt,
they might come a point in the dinner where in some ways something actually has to be communicated,
that this is not just a dinner.
So in other words, what happens if the high-net-worth individual says,
this was a delightful conversation, I really enjoyed meeting Steve Pinker,
and then goes back to, you know, his hedge fund or his tech company to continue to make money
and has no interest in Harvard going forward.
That would not be a successful dinner.
Exactly. And this is where a lot of what informally we call social skills, social acumen, jargon of psychology is sometimes called theory of mind. That is your theory of what's going on in the other person's mind. As you say, you don't let the moment slip. On the other hand, if you make it too overt too early, then it feels like a transactional relationship as opposed to one of mutual generosity.
I'm wondering, did the donor come through?
Did you get the big gift?
I think not as big as had been hoped.
So maybe I was not charming enough.
Also, donors, actually, no, there was a donor.
Now that I think of it, the donor did not have the entity named after himself.
So there was a donation, but he chose having something named after him at Harvard
came second to the various buildings
with his own name plastered on them.
I want to talk about an example of indirect speech
in the political arena.
In 2016, then presidential candidate Donald Trump
insulted Nikki Haley,
who was the governor of South Carolina.
Here's how a TV station in South Carolina
described the exchange.
A Twitter battle tonight between Nikki Haley
and Donald Trump, of all people.
The Republican presidential frontrunner
tweeted this,
message earlier today, and it said, quote, the people of South Carolina are embarrassed by
Nikki Haley. Well, the South Carolina governor responded simply, bless your heart.
So Steve, when used by Americans from southern states, does bless your heart mean bless your
heart? It does not mean bless your heart. And it was rather clever on her part because
he was, obviously they were in a contest for dominance. You know, one way to
play it is with in-your-face insults. That's the kind of playground trash talk. Haley, rather than
taking the bait and meeting him in the same arena, tries to step above it with the non-sequitur.
Bless your heart, it doesn't make sense in context, because that's not what you say to someone
who just insulted you. So listeners have to then puzzle, well, geez, she's not just saying things
at random. She had a reason to say that. Why did she say that? And to read between the lines,
it's this kind of trash talk does not wound me. I consider myself to have a strong enough
reputation and I have enough confidence that I can, I believe that I will not be lowered in
status because of the content of your insult by not playing that game.
It is the case also that I think, especially in the American South, bless your heart,
is not just a wish for your continued good health. It could also be, you know, another two or three
word phrase that might be unprintable, but is couched in much more diplomatic language.
Indeed. And the language of diplomacy, as with all of our speech that is not meant to be taken
literally, and that's a lot of it, there's a lot of interpreting in context. And the way that
humans do it is by adhering to a principle of relevance.
and of cooperation. That is, the ground rules are the listener thinks to himself or to herself,
what did they mean that would explain what they just said? And so any socially competent
listener can say, she is signaling, you have not wounded me, I'm not playing that game. I am
confident enough that I don't feel the need to reply to that insult.
So often, what we say aloud doesn't represent what we're thinking.
When we come back, the many roles that indirect speech plays in our lives.
Also, when to say what we mean, and when this can be a mistake.
You're listening to Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedantam.
This is Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedantam.
Stephen Pinker is a psychologist at Harvard University,
who studies the nuances of language and social relations.
Steve, if we were to sketch something of a taxonomy of indirect,
speech. One of the first on the list might be the lies that we tell in order to protect the
feelings of the people we love. Can you talk about this idea, perhaps with some example, Steve?
Sure. Someone shows up in an outfit, you know, they've taken a lot of effort to beautify themselves,
and even if you think that it might be in ghastly taste, you might say, oh, that's beautiful,
you look great. Or even more fraud, as often as,
if someone is an artist,
and they show you their object d'Ar,
and you have to comment on it.
And, you know, there's so many ways for that to go wrong.
It could be if it's a painting of a red barn,
it could be kitsch, if it's too abstract,
it could be incomprehensible.
So you have to say, you know,
beautiful, striking, powerful, strong,
even if you may think privately that it's hideous.
Again, the goal there, again, let's tie it back to the underlying explanation,
is that there is a relationship to be cemented,
and each one wishes the best for the other.
Neither one is superior to the other.
Each would do anything for the other.
Those are the fictions that underlie a relationship of friendship.
I call them fictions.
because they can't always be true,
but that's the background assumption
that makes friends' friends,
that makes lovers, lovers.
What that means is you don't want to say,
blurt out anything
that would directly contradict that tacit assumption.
I'm thinking of how this is also true
at the level of international relationships.
You know, there is a hierarchy between countries,
the countries that are richer and more powerful
and their countries that are poorer and weaker.
But very often in international settings,
when diplomats sit down or the leaders of countries sit down,
you know, they're very complimentary to one another.
They say nice things about one another.
So even though, you know, there is some hierarchy between the countries,
everyone agrees that in this public forum,
we have to pretend like we are equals
or we have to pretend like we deeply care about one another.
Can you talk about the idea that this doesn't just happen
at the level of interpersonal relationships?
It happens at the level of diplomacy and nations?
Oh, absolutely.
And the perhaps most conspicuous fiction is simply the iconography of the United Nations,
where Vanuatu, a tiny island nation in the South Pacific,
and China or Russia are, at least in the General Assembly, are treated identically.
They have the same size desk and the same size flag and the same privileges.
In fact, the word diplomacy, which we sometimes use to refer to our everyday interactions,
but technically refers to the relationship between nation states,
reminds us that there is a lot in international relations
that does not consist of actual brawn or brute force,
nor wealth, GDP,
but relationships of respect, status, power, dignity,
and to make things happen,
and to establish stable relationships,
There's an awful lot of posturing symbolization that goes into international relations.
There's a famous book by Barry O'Neill that shows that every year there are probably 100 acts between countries that are purely symbolic.
That is, two leaders have dinner together, or one sends a vice president to the funeral of an ex-head-of-state of the other,
or they exchange students or zoo animals,
or they attend a ceremony on which they raise a flag or formally apologize.
There's an awful lot of just social relationships that go on between heads of state.
So in 2011, then-President Barack Obama had a hot mic moment
where he expressed his sentiments about dealing with the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nathan
What happened, Steve? Describe this incident because in some ways it peeled the curtain back on what's actually happening behind all of this diplomacy.
Yes, it was a hot mic moment. I discovered it when I clicked on some bait at the bottom of the web page, the ten most embarrassing hot mic moments.
And one of them is when Barack Obama confided to Nicolas Sarkozy that, you know, what both of them knew, namely that Bibi Netanyahu was a pain in the neck.
I don't think they used that euphemism.
Now, that was almost an international incident,
even though everyone knew that.
There's an old saying from the journalist Michael Kinsley
that the definition of a gaffe in Washington
is when a politician says something that's true.
Now, by the way, that has been made,
somewhat obsolete by
Donald Trump, who has
blurted out
what in earlier times would have been
considered gaffs. That's a whole other story
of different rules that he plays by.
But the default
rules are that
leaders of parties
within a country, leaders of
countries in international relations,
have a relationship of
mutual admiration and respect.
So in this hot mic
moment, Sarkozy apparently told Obama
I cannot bear Netanyahu, he's a liar.
And Obama says, you're fed up with him, but I have to deal with him every day.
And it's the kind of thing that people might talk about it like, you know, dinner parties.
But to realize the same thing is happening probably at the level of international relationships is really striking because you hear so little of it when you see the polite diplomacy that happens in these international forums.
And the tension is that for agreements to be.
negotiated, it helps when two parties consider themselves to be in a communal relationship.
That lubricates getting to yes. But the paradox being that, especially at the level of leaders,
things that they say in private can then float some norm that characterizes their public
relationship. So in interpersonal settings, it can be a tricky balance to communicate what you mean
while also trying to hide what you're saying. I want to play you a clip.
from the 1989 comedy when Harry met Sally,
Harry has complimented Sally's looks a bit too insistently,
and she accuses him of coming onto her.
All right, all right.
Let's just say, just for the sake of argument,
that it was a come-on.
What do you want me to do about it?
I take it back, okay?
I take it back.
You can't take it back.
Why not?
Because it's already out there.
Oh, geez, what are we supposed to do?
Call the cops.
It's already out there.
So, Steve, there's something very interesting here.
Once something is out of the box, Sally is saying it can't be put back into the box?
In that scene in the movie, they had just met.
They're sharing a ride across country.
That's why there was some motor noise in that audio clip.
And they were not in a romantic or sexual relationship,
even though, as with my fundraising dinner,
it had to be in the back of their minds.
But there's a big difference between something being common knowledge, as Sally put it, out there, and something being known privately by each of them.
They're grownups.
They're two sexually mature, heterosexual individuals.
Each one has to know that the possibility of a sexual relationship has crossed their minds.
But each one could think about the other.
Well, she doesn't know exactly what's running through my mind.
maybe she thinks I'm dense, or she didn't think maybe he thinks I'm naive. However, when it is,
as she said, out there, that is when it is said in plain language, then the other person knows
that you know. The common knowledge is no longer deniable.
Another kind of indirect speech is the humble brag. Describe what this is Steve. Can you think of
some examples that you've come by humble bragging in your own life?
Oh, yes. I once saw a documentary with an eminent British
evolutionary biologist, John Maynard Smith,
would be recognizable to any evolutionary biologist.
And the British are champions,
at ninjas, at humble bragging.
And he was being interviewed and asked him
while he went into the field than he did, and he said,
well, originally I was interested in physics,
but I realized I wasn't smart enough to do physics.
Any idiot can do biology.
Now, this is a truly brilliant man.
He invented the entire field of evolutionary game theory, a powerful idea.
And he laughed when he said it.
In it, he was doing kind of two things.
And this was the genius of the expert Humblebragg.
He was not saying that he was so coarse as to have a boast.
Like, I'm, you know, I realized that I was a smart person and I could make a contribution to biology because I was so smart.
I was smarter than other biologists.
But by saying any idiot can do biology,
both saying, I don't have to worry about people thinking me that I'm an idiot.
If I call myself an idiot or compare myself to idiots,
people will know to blow that off.
I have the confidence to do that because my status is not in doubt.
By my lights, biology is hard.
If he's saying any idiot can do biology,
and I'm an idiot
for the kind of idiot who can do biology,
I'm thinking, well, gee,
I find biology kind of hard.
Does that mean that I am,
unlike Sir John Maynard Smith,
I am not of the caliber
that would find it easy.
I find it hard,
and therefore I'm even lower than him
in intelligence than if he were to say it outright.
So it works at multiple levels
as, in general,
wit, charm, tact,
social skill, often
refer to cases where the desired message
comes not from the literal content,
but from several layers of
thinking about what the other person thinks about what you think
about what they think. That kind of chess game of thinking
several moves ahead, except instead of on the chess board,
it's in the brains of two people.
There's a related idea that is beautifully captured in the comedy
series Curb Your Enthusiasm. Larry David,
playing himself has donated money for a wing of a non-profit building, which is named after him.
The other wing displays only the inscription donated by Anonymous.
At the ribbon-cutting ceremony, Larry is talking to his soon-to-be ex-wife, Cheryl,
when he discovers who the anonymous donor is. It's his rival, Ted Danson.
He donated the whole wing. Didn't want anybody to know.
Well, he told you. So he apparently wanted somebody to know.
He told me, okay?
Who else did he tell? How do you know he just told you?
The point is that he didn't need all the fanfare and didn't need a...
Fanfare. What fanfare? I don't like the fanfare. You're saying I like fanfare?
You can tell a few people. He just doesn't need the whole world to know that he donated all this money.
You know what? I didn't need the world to know either. Nobody told me that I could be anonymous and tell people. I would have taken that option.
So that's a great line, Steve. Nobody told me I could be anonymous and tell people.
Oh, it is brilliant. And it... Because it's...
strikes to the heart of a very deep paradox about altruism. Going back to the medieval Jewish
philosopher Maimonides, who had a ladder of righteousness where the size of the gift doesn't
determine how righteous it is, according to Maimonides. If you do it for the glory,
for the recognition, that's considered less indicative of an underlying trait of charitability or
generosity than if you do it anonymously.
For the obvious reason that if you do it anonymously, there's no ulterior motive of
reputation, nor can you call in the favor and expect some special treatment or quid pro quo.
In experiments that I've done in collaboration with some postdocs and grad students,
we found that people will actually give more moral credit to someone who gives less money
anonymously than more money publicly, which Larry David used to
great comic effect.
So in some ways, in that clip from Curb Your Enthusiasm, Ted Danson is trying to have it both
ways. He's getting the moral benefit of being seen as an anonymous giver while also telling
people that he was the anonymous giver. He's really getting it both ways, and that's what
gets Larry so upset.
Indeed, yes. It underscores the paradox of reputation in altruism.
That ultimately, reputation is a motive for altruism. You want other people to think that
you're kind, you're generous, you're beneficent.
On the other hand, if other people perceive that that is the motive,
they give you less credit as a genuinely altruistic person
because maybe you're in it for the long-term benefits.
Another kind of indirect speech is the innuendo.
I want to play you a clip that captures this from the TV show The Sopranos.
In this scene, a member of the Soprano mob family accosts an old acquaintance in a store,
and pays for his candy bar.
Hey, how you doing?
Hey.
Listen, Danny, we just want you to know how glad we are,
a guy like he was on that jury.
That mob thing, that junior soprano trial.
Not working guy?
Life and two kids?
Performing a civic duty we should all take part in?
We know you do the right thing.
So what are you here that's being said and not said, Steve?
Well, that is a excellent example.
example of a veiled threat. What's being veiled is if you vote to convict junior soprano,
we will harm your family. And it can be effective by striking fear into the heart of the
target without literally exposing themselves to the crime of extortion.
So what the mobster was doing in that clip from the Sopranos was basically offering something
that had plausible deniability. If someone came up and said,
said, is this what you really meant, the mobster could say, no, I'm just wishing this old
acquaintance well.
Exactly.
And the question is, how plausible is the deniability?
And crucially, the level of plausibility for the speaker and the hearer have to be different
for it to work.
So you want to be not so subtle that it'll fly over the head of the hearer, but subtle enough
that by higher standards of proof, such as you know, you know,
a court of law, it would not meet that higher standard.
So if a motorist gets pulled over by a cop, telling the cop, you know, here's $100, let's make
this go away right now, you know, that could get you in trouble because you're bribing the
police officer.
But if you say, you know, is there some way we can get this resolved without, you know,
having to do a lot of paperwork, that might send the message of what you're trying to
say, but give you some plausible deniability if the cop turns out to be an honest cop.
Yes, enough deniability that it couldn't be the basis of conviction by the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a very high threshold.
But in everyday conversation, we don't need that higher threshold.
We can take our chances that, you know, oh, come on, it's pretty obvious what he said.
So in that case, plausible deniability, in the case of a court case, it's near, it's a deniability beyond a reasonable doubt, a much higher stance.
A few years ago, the writer Bruce Filer was given an assignment by a magazine.
He was to try and bribe a series of major D's at popular New York City restaurants in order to get a good table.
What did he imagine what happened when he did this, Steve?
So the assignment filled him with dread.
He kept imagining the incensed retorts of some outraged Major D, like,
how dare you insult me or what kind of establishment do you think this is or do you think
you can get in with that? As it happened, he instinctively couched the bribe in innuendo in direct terms.
He would, instead of saying, if I give you 20 bucks, would you seat me right away? Would you let me jump
the cue? He would hold the $20 bill in peripheral vision, not look at it, look at it, look at
D in the eye and say something like, I was wondering if you had a cancellation, or I was hoping
maybe you could fit us in, or this is a really important night for me. The interesting thing is
it worked every time. Despite all our fears, all major Ds in Manhattan are bribable, or at least
they were at the time they wrote this article,
which leads to the question,
what was he, and by extension,
all of us are so afraid of?
That is, what would be so terrible
if the Major D
rebuff the bride?
I think the answer is
that going back to our different kinds
of social relationships,
breaching the tacit assumptions
of a social relationship,
the common knowledge that
cements the relationship,
has emotional costs
which we experience as embarrassment, awkwardness,
if they are accidental, if they're one time,
or as disbelief, you know, outrage, shock,
if they are intentional or repeated.
In the case of a Major D, you know, Major D, they're dressed in finery.
They're wearing a tux or a nice dress,
and they carry themselves with the authority
that this is their kingdom.
they get to seat people when and where they choose.
That's part of the dignity of being a matri-D.
If you're tendering an outright quid pro-quote bribe,
you're kind of treating them like a sales clerk,
like a transactional partner,
undermining that aura of authority that they have,
and doing it in cases where you don't know whether they will agree,
leads to that emotion of,
On the part of the speaker, it would be awkwardness.
On the part of the recipients of the bribe, it would be outrage,
at least in the imagination of the writer.
And even in the case where it did succeed, which it did it every time,
it may not have succeeded had he tendered the bribe as a naked quid pro quo.
He did do it indirectly, and it worked.
You know, it's interesting.
We talked earlier about the challenge of sexual courtship
in the clip that I played you from,
when Harry met Sally, you know, if Harry had shown his hand, but it turns out that Sally was
completely not interested, maybe Sally was married already, and maybe Sally has no interest in
Harry, that would be a slap in the face. And so it's helpful in those cases to put forward
a very tentative proposal that perhaps the other party can reject also, you know, fairly
subtly so that there's no face that's lost, there's no humiliation that is meted out,
even as both parties make clear where they stand.
Indeed. And in fact, in the studies that I have done, that is one of the motives for using indirect speech, that it avoids the change in relationship from one in which one person has the authority, the superiority of striking down another's offer. That changes the relationship. It then introduces awkwardness if the basis of the relationship had been one of egalitarian.
warmth and communal sharing.
So you don't want to spoil the relationship with one person
kind of holds the prerogative of sexual consent
and can blatantly imply that the other is not worthy of it.
Obviously, the time comes when there's no choice.
We're just having to say no.
And what part of no don't you understand?
If that stage can be avoided,
they can maintain the fiction of a completely platonic friendship
or in more dangerous and fraught circumstances,
such as a supervisor and an employee or a professor and a student,
it would be not just breaching a norm, but breaching a law or a rule,
and they may not want to go through the trouble of making a court case out of it.
Indirect speech can be a useful lubricant greasing the wheels of social interaction.
But it's not always what it's called for.
When we come back, when it's good to be coy and when it's necessary to be blunt.
You're listening to Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedantam.
This is Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedantam.
Stephen Pinker is a psychologist at Harvard University.
He's the author, most recently, of the book When Everyone Knows That Everyone Know That Everyone Know
common knowledge and the mysteries of money, power, and everyday life.
Steve, there are many vivid examples of the importance of using direct speech.
You talk about the crash of Korean Air 801 in 1997.
What happened in that tragedy?
This is a case in which the pilot, in a social setting in which there was a clear hierarchy,
and he was the authority and the other pilots and technicians had to defer to him.
In this case, it was clear to the second and third in command that a disaster was possible,
but the plane was losing altitude.
It was on a collision course.
But they indicated that there was a problem, but they didn't just blurt it out and say,
hey, we're going to crash.
Wake up, do something, or let us take over the controls, resulting in tragedy.
It's one of cases where for all the socially lubricating benefits of indirectness and innuendo,
there are times when it becomes cruel, tragic, unjust to persist in failing to describe something in so many words.
So there's a trend out there known as radical honesty, which holds that we should all be saying exactly what's on our minds without any indirection or euphemism.
One of the leading proponents of radical honesty is a psychotherapist named Brad Blanton.
Here's how he makes the case for it.
So the idea is being able to be happy and be related to people and not be guarded and careful and protected and afraid to being found out.
That's a lousy way to live.
It's a better way to live out loud, let the chips fall where they may.
Have a few hard times now and then, but still they get all cleaned up because everybody tells the truth.
That does sound appealing, Steve.
Do you think it always works in practice?
To put it mildly know
that it is often a health scape
when everyone is honest with everyone else
and there are some comedies and science fiction plots
that actually play that out for the amusement
and sometimes the horror of an audience.
But the reason that it doesn't
is that this is a world in which there are no social relationships.
Everything is transactional.
no warmth, there's no friendship, because all of us constantly have compromising thoughts about
even our closest friends. Oh, that was a stupid comment. But blurting those things out just
corrods the tacit assumptions that make a friendship or a romantic relationship or even a
stable relationship of respect of a supervisor and a supervisee stable and sustainable.
If every thought was blurted out, then there would be no long-term, stable relationships of cooperation.
You cite a French essayist and philosopher from the 17th century who wrote about what would happen if we were all open books.
What does Blaise Pascal say?
He said that if everyone said what was on their minds, there would not be four friends in the world.
and indeed, if there was a hidden microphone in my dining room,
in the kind of unbuttoned conversations that I have with my wife, my family, my close friends,
and that was published tomorrow in New York Times,
I would be in deep trouble, even though I don't really have anything to be ashamed of,
I haven't committed to a murder or haven't broken any laws,
but just the unguarded, honest comments that you make about other people,
if voiced would negate the assumption of infinite mutual respect and generosity
that are the basis of friendships
and of other relationships, relationships of decorum and cooperation.
My favorite example, I don't know if you have a clip from this,
was in the romantic comedy movie Tootsie, where in a scene in which the disguised
Dustin Hoffman, portraying an actress,
becomes intimate with a fellow actress on a soap opera,
played by Jessica Lang,
and she confesses to the disguised Dustin Hoffman.
You want to wish just once?
What?
That a guy could be honest enough just to walk right up to me
and say, hey, listen, you know, I'm confused about this, too.
I could lay a big line on you.
We could do a lot of role-playing.
But the simple truth is, I find you very interesting.
and I'd really like to make love with you.
And then in a clever twist of fate, later in the movie,
an undisguised and unrecognized Dustin Hoffman
does meet Jessica Lang at a cocktail party,
goes up to her and says,
I could lay a big line on you,
and we could do a lot of role-playing.
But the simple truth is,
is that I find you very interesting.
And I'd really like to make love to you.
You know?
It's a sister.
And of course, she throws him a glass of wine in his face, showing our hypocrisy about our hypocrisy.
Namely, we long for honesty, candor, not role-playing and beating around the bush and just saying what we mean.
But really, we would not tolerate it.
So you've thought deeply about the costs and the benefits of indirect speech.
I understand your wife recently challenged you to act on your own theories,
and she took a leaf out of that story you told me about the magazine writer
who managed to score great restaurant tables with a $50 bribe.
But what was the challenge she laid down on the table, Steve?
So we were having a lovely stroll in the Brooklyn waterfront,
late summer night, and there was a river cafe,
a lovely restaurant with a gorgeous view of Manhattan.
And we hadn't made a reservation.
and we're getting hungry.
And I had a $50 bill in my pocket, which was a rare occasion.
And so she's saying, well, look, you've explained how it works.
It would be, you know, it would be really good if we could get in there.
You're the guy with a theory.
Let's see if your theory works.
And, you know, like the writer for Gourmet Magazine, I've got to say it was terrifying.
I don't know what I was afraid of.
but it did require screwing up a lot of gumption.
But I did, and I said, you know, if I have the courage of my convictions, I got to do it.
And so I went in, but I was defeated by the site that greeted me at the hostess station.
There were two matrikes, two elegantly attired, attractive women, both of whom smiled at me,
and I realized that any innuendo that I tried with one
would be immediately spotted by the other.
Perhaps that's why they hired Major D's in Paris.
One of the revelations of this article in Gourmet magazine
is that bribing matrives is eminently possible.
Now, of course, restaurants,
the owner of the restaurant has an incentive
that his or her matrikes not be bribeable
because then people would be loath to make reservations
if they could just be delayed and delayed and delayed by people jumping the queue with $50 bills.
So there's some conflict there between the interests of the major D,
which is to accept a little tip on the side, allow their palms to be greased,
and the interests of the owner.
And I'm wondering whether the owner had a pair of major Ds there just for that reason.
So what happened?
You had the $50 bill in your hand and you just put it back in your pocket?
What did you do?
I skulked away, yes.
and we had a long walk to find a restaurant with a table.
Stephen Pinker is a psychologist at Harvard University.
He is the author of the book,
When Everyone Knows That Everyone Knows,
Common Knowledge and the Mysteries of Money, Power, and Everyday Life.
Steve, thank you so much for joining me today on Hidden Brain.
It's a pleasure. Thanks for having me.
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