Hidden True Crime - A Chainsaw, A Screwdriver, & A Cross | Paxton Wallace FULL STORY + Exclusive Interview

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

A 3:40 a.m. 911 call. A man waiting outside with a hammer in one hand and a cross in the other. Inside, a crime scene so brutal seasoned detectives called the victim “unrecognizable.” In this episode of Hidden True Crime, Lauren sits down with the family of 31-year-old Paxton April Wallace—a daughter, big sister, caretaker and dog mom whose life was stolen by the man they once welcomed into their home. We walk through the chilling police report, Jeffrey Rael’s “demon mode” claims, Paxton’s desperate attempts to escape escalating abuse, and the systemic failures that left her without safe options. This is the story behind the headline—a family’s grief, a community’s wake-up call, and why Paxton’s loved ones are begging you to listen. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's horrendous. But before we get to that scene and before we talk about the man who did this, we need to talk about the woman whose life was just taken days ago. Her name was Paxton April Wallace, and she was so much more than the violence she endured that night. A woman whose life was full of light, full of faith, full of plans, until someone she trusted turned her final moments into something out of an absolute nightmare. And I know about this young woman. I know about Paxton because I have been speaking to her family. They love her so much.

and they want to share with Hidden to Crime who she was and will join us in just a bit after I go through the details, too disturbing to even comprehend. Paxton was 31 years old. She was a caretaker to her siblings, including a brother with special needs. She loved breakfast on Sunday mornings and lived for gathering with her family for Thanksgiving dinner,

although this year her family is planning a funeral instead of planning the meal or setting a table. Paxton loved her two dogs, her babies. Her father, Michael, describes her as someone who was always making sure everyone was okay, even when she was the one who needed help. She had real, tangible, unfinished dreams. And then, though, there was Jeffrey. Four years, Paxton had been in a relationship with 47-year-old Jeffrey Raille.

The family trusted him. That spent holidays with him. He sat at their table, including their Thanksgiving table. He shared their home. He became part of the family's memories. And then something important to mention here, Paxton's family was aware that Jeffrey had a criminal history. He wasn't a complete mystery to them. They knew he had a past. They knew about his record, or maybe they thought they knew about it. Because after speaking to Paxton's sister and aunt, it seems as if they maybe only perhaps knew part of it, a DUI. Paxton's family, they saw him as flawed, but not dangerous. Someone who had made mistakes earlier in life but seemed stable and calm around the family. They never believed he was capable of violence toward Paxton, let alone something this horrific.

What we know so far now about his criminal history includes not just a DUI and narcotic possession usage charge from 2021, but an aggravated assault charge from 2012. He took a plea deal and this sent him to prison for years. And then that DUI, it was an extreme blood alcohol level DUI from 2006 with an enhancement for having a passenger under the age of 15. A lot was hidden. her family realizes now that behind the scenes things were different what the family did not know what paxton may not have fully let them see was that the relationship had become dangerous her family believes she had been trying to leave they said that she had reached out for help spoke to a caseworker was trying to find a safe place to go Arizona's domestic violence shelter system though was overwhelmed.

There are weightless. People are turned away every day. They told me that she was trying to get out. There are shelters. There are places, but it's sort of like a hope you get in, sort of a system. Neighbors would later report hearing fights multiple times. This is confirmed by officers. It seems as if, like so many women, Paxton was trying to get out and trying to survive.

Back to that 911 call earlier this month at 3.40 a.m. on November 7th, Phoenix 911, they received that call, a man's voice. It was calm and direct. He said he had killed his girlfriend. So officers, they rush to the home near 19th Avenue and Grant Street. And they find 47-year-old Jeffrey Raelle waiting outside. Again, he's holding a hammer in one hand and a cross in his other hand. He tells police, I had to kill her because she was possessed. Inside the home, officers discover a scene so gruesome. Again, season investigators, they described the victim as unrecognizable. A blood-soaked chainsaw was found in the kitchen. Court documents describe Paxton's body as having numerous cutting type injuries from a sharp bladed instrument. Paxton was gone

brutally, mercilessly, and violently taken. We also again obtained that police report I mentioned. It includes officers' notes detailing what Jeffrey admitted doing to Paxton and a heads up, a trigger warning.

The description is graphic. This is extremely difficult to hear. The report says, quote, During the fight, the defendant stated he did not recall the specific sequence of events. He remembered that he used various tools on the victim, such as a screwdriver, a chainsaw, a grinder, and that the victim would not die.

When he was describing his actions with the various tools, he stated he stabbed her head with a screwdriver and used the chainsaw on her, but the chainsaw got caught in her hair. He stated all the tools he used were still in the residence. The defendant stated he also placed his thumbs in her eye sockets, put her in a headlock, grabbed her by her throat, and nothing worked. He described the victim as having a demon inside of her and said he needed to defend himself and stop her actions. He also stated one of them was going to die.

The defendant did not recall when the victim stopped breathing, but he called and stood by for a police contact. Investigators asked the defendant what he was doing going through the neighbor's trash cans the night before, and he stated that he was trying to purge everything out of the apartment. As of this writing, no handgun has been found in the residence. the defendant was consequently booked for first-degree murder, end quote. Jeffrey also informed the officers that he had consumed a large amount of cocaine that night

and claims he needed to defend himself from Paxton, who was, quote, unquote, in demon mode. Police immediately took Jeffrey into custody and transported him to a hospital for evaluation before booking him into the Maricopa County Jail on first-degree murder. He is currently at this time being held on a $1 million bond. For Paxton's family, the hours that have followed have felt like a nightmare that they cannot wake up from. Her aunt has said, Paxton was not old. She was not sick. somebody chose to end her life, somebody chose to take her from us.

Her sister Alita, who's here with us today, added that it just doesn't feel real. They are devastated, they are angry, confused and heartbroken, but they also, they feel betrayed. Because the man who killed Paxton was someone they trusted, someone they allowed into their home. someone they believed despite his past would not ever hurt her. Her family said that he promised them that he would keep her safe and protect her. And in the end, after years of domestic violence, he took her life. Now they are desperately searching for her two dogs. Those two dogs I mentioned, her babies, their whereabouts remain unknown after Paxton to murder.

Paxton tried to get out. That's the part that haunts her family the most. She had spoken to a caseworker. She had reached out to the domestic violence resources. The shelters were full. Waiting lists were long. Help was slow. And this case isn't happening in a vacuum.

Domestic violence cases in Phoenix and across major cities, they have risen by 3% even as other violent crimes go down. Paxton is one of those statistics now, but her family refuses to let her legacy end there. Her family is speaking out, sharing their story here on Hidden 2 crime, begging others to pay attention to say something, to call 911 if they hear someone in danger. They want Paxton's story to matter. They want her life to mean something beyond the brutality of her death. They want her pain to prevent another family from sitting where they are sitting now. On Paxton's Memorial GoFundMe, which we will link in the description of this episode, as they plan this funeral, This memorial for Paxton, her sister writes that there is no doubt Paxton fought for her life. She says it's unthinkable that someone they let into their family, home, and family could take such a precious person from them. And they will stand as a family to see that Jeffrey pays for this crime.

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for a 0.25% increase. Cash account offered by Wealthfront Brokerage LLC member FINRA SIPC, not a bank. These eligibility requirements may apply to certain checking features of the cash account. I am with two very important guests here today. I am with Alita Wallace and I am with Tiffany Wallace. Alita Wallace is the little sister of Paxton Wallace. And I know that you lost your sister just a week ago unexpectedly to a crime. I'm so sorry, Alita. Thank you for being here. I know how hard this must be. And I am with Paxton's Aunt Tiffany Wallace as well. Again, thank you both for reaching out, trusting hidden due crime with this story to talk about Paxton to bring awareness to her story. Like I said, I know that you're in the midst of planning a funeral, a memorial,

saying goodbye to your loved one. She was only 31 years old. and that you could have never imagined that this would happen to someone that you knew. Jeffrey Rael was her longtime partner, I believe. And you could have never imagined him doing this. We'll get into that and we'll talk about that a bit. But I know that you're both here despite this being difficult and fresh and heartbreaking because you want us to remember Paxton. and to bring awareness.

And we're going to do that here. I just, I first thought, I just want to check. Alita, how are you doing? Are you, are you doing okay? Yeah, that's been a hard question recently. Today has been probably one of the hardest. I have to end the day picking a dress. And I couldn't, I can't pick any of the choices I would have because of what happened.

So the options are limited, but I've got to order that to get a year in time. And it's just all these looming things. And today's just been hard. Can you tell me about your big sister a little bit, Paxton? Yeah, she was awesome. She always played the role of the big sister, even when the age gap between her and my older brother isn't very big. He's 28.

He is on the spectrum. He is autism. And one thing my mom wanted to remember her by was her always translating his words when they were younger to get his needs met and to communicate for him in that way because she was so close in age and she just understood him. And so she'd take care of any of his special needs that he had. Yes, of course. And the communication was always difficult even now at 28. So she was close enough in age to be able to do that. that for us. And one thing I'm trying to remember right now is her laugh. I think we had a similar

laugh. So I'm just trying to hold on to that memory. Tiffany, it sounds as if you were very close to your niece. When you wrote me, you said, I'm part of a club now. I never wanted to be a part of. I'm so sorry. Yeah, you really, you can't express the pain. We've watched true crime through the years and we've done this and to know that now it's a story that we're living, a story that we never wanted to live, a story that somebody chose we had to do. He chose to take her.

Now we have to deal with his choice. And the immense loss that you face as a family. Yeah. And I, you know, and a reminder too that no one is immune to crime affecting their family. And I'm so sorry this has happened to your Paxton and that she has been taken in such a horrendous way. It is unfathomable.

Tell me about how long she was in this relationship with Jeffrey. Can either one of you tell me a little bit about their relationship? Yeah, they were together somewhere about eight years. So it's been on and off for a long while. We spent a lot of holidays with us. I think that's when people naturally start to come together again. If they were on or off at the time, it was they were on at the holidays. And so we shared our home with him and a lot of memories. His birthday is the day before my brothers. So unfortunately, a lot of my brother's birthday memories have him included.

Everything. It's going through the photos. And we're trying to find photos to use at her funeral. And there are so many that he's in. There are so many that he's present at every event, every Christmas birthday. Yeah. I mean, I was watching a video like it was going to be happy. And all of a sudden we're saying, happy birthday, Logan, my brother and Jeff.

And they both blew out the candles together. And it just discussed me. Did you sense some abuse or some domestic violence happening behind the scenes? Was Paxton trying to escape? She was trying to escape. She actually had a counselor through a program here for domestic women. She wasn't able to get into a place. There was no room.

She tried every week. Every week she would make that call. Every other day she was making that call. She was trying to escape. She had those two little puppies that she just couldn't leave. And there's no shelters that take animals. So she fought to get out in the system. Just it didn't, it failed her.

At one point, I think she received an offer, but they said you'll have to live with five other people and you can't bring pretty much any of your belongings, let alone your pets. And it was going to cost, that place was going to cost $800 for the month. So, you know, they said, give us everything you have and you can bring nothing.

It was complicated. It was a lot more complicated. You couldn't just run away and have a spot. There are wait lists at these shelters too, right? Like there's waitless and then it's then. Absolutely. These two dogs you're mentioning, by the way, are they still missing? The night that she was murdered, the two dogs were there,

but we have no idea where they've gone. We have no idea who has them. We don't know if they're being cared for. we just want to know they're being cared for. We want to know they're getting the love that they need too now. You know, they lost their mama. Oh. Yeah, she took the best care of them.

She would cut up fresh meat for them every day, twice a day. She was the one to take them out. She did homeopathic remedies as much as she could because they couldn't get them to the vet, or rather Jeff didn't want to pay for that. So they were her babies, exactly. She was a good dog mom. Yeah.

What kind of dogs were they? I know that they're at this time unaccounted for. Perhaps someone has them and you just want to know they're safe. You don't know. But what types of dogs? What do they look like? And we'll have a photo. We do have a photo.

I believe it's pronounced docksons. They're the wiener dogs. Yes. And they were big wiener dog. Yeah. And we will send you forward here. There's the best ones. I framed these for her when she moved in and lived with us for a while. These were the two pictures I framed and hung up in her room to make her feel at home when she came to live with us for a little bit. That's so sweet. And when did she, what are the dog's names first off? I believe it was red and buddy.

And she came to live with you for a time. Do you think that was to get away? Was that during her relationship with Jeffrey? Yes, and you'll find probably that he does have a past. So there were times where they were off per se. And, you know, that was the most vibrant we'd had ever seen her was living with us. And he was away. and she was able to hold down a job that she loved.

She got me things from her job. She was always bringing home stuff. She probably lost her whole paycheck, spending it at her job, but she loved it there and just making people happy and helping them. Yeah. And so she came home and she was vibrant for a moment. Yes, I did notice that Jeffrey had a past.

Can you tell me a little about, about that. It sounds like no murder in his past, nothing like that, but it sounds like maybe your family and tell me if I'm right, supported him, thought that maybe this was a second chance that

he had healed and he had changed his life. Can you tell me a little bit about his past charges, either one of you? Of course, I don't know much details related to those charges. All we knew was that it was

I mean, those charges can be so simple or so complex as to what's behind them. And as the younger sister, I was shielded from that. I'm not sure how long it took me to realize that he was even away like that. I thought maybe they weren't together. And they weren't for that time. It was very clearly over for a bit. I think people think it's so simple to get out of these things. but then there's things that draw you back like the animals and the good times the very few good times even

and i know and we'll say it now especially but sometimes we would just wonder why is he so mean to her with his words and that was really the only inkling we would have had nothing to suggest what happened i mean he promised he promised her little brother that he would protect her um they had just got that apartment about three months ago, so this is really the first time they were living a loan together. And before he left that house, he promised Logan that he would protect her and love her and take care of her. Little did we know three months later, he would take her from us forever. We are aware now, you know, as we're learning things, that he did have an aggravated assault charge. We didn't know that prior to this.

There's drug charges. There's, and these are things we're learning now. Right. So you knew that there was perhaps a D.Y. That was maybe something or is that what you knew and now learning about the drugs and the aggravated assault? Yeah.

Do you have any details on that aggravated assault, by the way? Was that a past relationship or we don't know yet? No idea. I know this is so fresh. Yeah. We just found out on our own. I mean, we have, we have detectives that are on the case and, you know,

they're not really communicating anything with us. Everything we're finding out, we're finding out by our own searches, by trying to contact anybody, anybody that will give us information. Yeah. Tiffany, you brought up. You said it's so complicated to leave, and I want to emphasize, you're absolutely right. People ask, why don't you leave?

Coercive control, threats, intimidation, making it dangerous to leave, financial abuse. It sounds like she found a shelter at one moment. then when they told her it would be $800, she didn't feel like she had that, a place for the dogs. You mentioned she was being controlled that she couldn't take the dogs to the vet. So it sounds like there was financial abuse in this relationship. You have so much happening. Also, the fear of leaving, the moment that somebody decides to leave, that's where a risk of violence increases.

So I want you to say you're right. It is very complicated for a. person to leave an abusive relationship so much more complicated than many relives that have never been in this situation. And it doesn't start out as abusive because they're not with them because they're abusive. They're with them because of the kindness and the love that they're showing them. And then once they're in it and the mask comes off, how do you leave? It is so complicated. And so I want you to thank you for bringing that up and sharing that. This is not easy. And with Paxton, too, it was pride.

It was not wanting the family to worry about her, than not wanting to feel like she was a burden or inconveniencing anybody. We wish that she wouldn't have thought that way. We wish she would have just ran back to her moms, to us, to any of us, and know that, you know, if you're a victim, you're not a burden, we would rather have helped her than be burying her. Yes. Pride and shame.

Shame can be another thing too that, you know, smart women don't get into these types of relationships, right? There could oftentimes be pride or shame involved as well. I'm not putting that on her. I'm just saying that's another. You're absolutely right. That's Paxton. Pride.

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of November 7? Yeah, that kind of goes into a year ago. We all kind of split up. We were all living together. And now we're not. I live with my brother and my significant other. my dad lives separate, who we call our dad and our mom. So detectives came looking for my mom, and they went to my stepdad's house,

which is now about 20 to 30 minutes away. And he thought, who knows, they just said it's about Paxton. They wouldn't say anything. They said, no, we need to see Felicia. It's about Paxton. Now he said, do you need to look for her? Do you need to look for Felicia? Are you looking for someone?

And they said, no, we're not looking for Paxton. We need to find Felicia. And we can't tell her this over the phone. And that's when he called me and said, get over to your moms. Because they are going over there right now, and I'm pretty sure they're going to tell your mom that your sister is dead.

Then I told my brother, and unfortunately, I was dog sitting. I'm also a lover of animals. So I went and I raced over to feed them. Look, me, it's kind of on the way. And I just, I just tried to stay on autopilot and get there as fast as I could. I'm so sorry. Tiffany, were you being contacted at this moment or?

We were contacted. Yeah, we were contacted right away. I had woke up that morning and I had actually watched the news in the story was there with no names. So you don't pay attention. to it. I mean, you glance and you say, oh, I'm sorry that happened to somebody. And then 30 minutes later, you're contacted to know that, no, it wasn't just somebody. It was your somebody. It just things, doesn't it? My goodness. I learned through learning about Paxton and preparing for this interview that she loved Thanksgiving.

Oh, yeah. She was a small girl. She was a small girl, but she could eat and she loved her food. She loved Thanksgiving, the family being there. We're all together. It's a great day. There's food and more food. That's what she loved the most was that we would be together. Even in times like now, the last, I guess we only got one holiday where we were separate in living situations.

But that was her favorite that no matter what, even living separate now, we can. come together and meet out one place, one house, and make it Thanksgiving, make it Christmas. She loved the gathering, the connecting with family. Yeah. Jeffrey, he's behind bars now. I know, you know, I shared most of the details before you both came on so you didn't have to hear them again. Thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. He did tell police, though, a strange thing he claimed a demon was part of why he did what he did. Do you, did he have religious delusions? Can I ask that? Or do you think that this was just him? I think when they arrived, he was out front with a weapon that he had used and a cross. I think this is absolutely a ploy on his part to look maybe crazy or, yeah, I don't know. He'd never presented any of that before. Nothing makes sense. And he's not religious that I've ever known of. And if he were to that degree, I probably would have known. I mean, none of it makes sense and none of it justifies.

but just even more so it's a load of crap. Yeah. That's what I wanted to ask if he was a really religious person. You're saying, no, he's not. It was a boy. No. I don't know why he would have even been holding what he was holding when he came out. Well, it would speak then to a likely manipulative nature.

If you're saying he's not religious and he was doing that when police ride. And knowing now, details that he may have waited a significant period of time. Wow, before calling. Yeah, we found out it was a much longer, longer crime than we originally thought. We were praying that, you know, if she had to go, maybe it was fast. Maybe it wasn't as painful as the details are not showing. But we found out it was a long period of time the fight lasted.

for a very long time and he even waited after that to call. They're in an apartment complex, is that correct? Do you? There's like four, roughly four apartments in there. It's a very small, small place. Did anybody hear anything? Did anybody think to call 911 that you know of? The report does state that somebody had seen them fighting in the street that evening.

The report also states another neighbor, had seen him throwing trash into her trash bin, sometime in the middle of the night. But as of right now, we're not aware of. But again, you know, the detectives aren't telling us anything. But as of right now, we're not aware of any neighbor's calling. Nobody reaching to help her. It's always hard to know when to intervene in family disputes.

But, you know, it's a lesson. If you see something, say something, you know. If you hear something, call 911. It's not going to hurt. They show up and there's nothing going on, then thank God. But maybe you're going to save that one victim. Even like in the Gabby Petito case, they tried to keep them apart for a little bit. And we know that didn't work out.

But there are measures that they can try to do, attempt to do anything. Just call if you hear something because you could be saving someone's life. Absolutely. Absolutely. And it sounds as if she was trying to leave, as you point out, waitless for shelters, possible shelters. It sounds like that she was in a desperate situation to find her way out with her dogs with. Yeah, with Red and Buddy. So my goodness. It's awful. Gosh, I'm so sorry. And you know, as a family, we sat here for, I think the days are just a blur. I'm sorry, at some point in the last few days, we actually had a local channel reach out to us. And they were the ones that actually shared that there was a report from that night. If not for them, we wouldn't know anything right now. I wish we didn't have that report.

but yeah it's a difficult report i've yeah i requested it and i've seen it yeah so sorry um yeah it's it's it's very difficult did you did you see a change in your sister and in your niece when she was in this relationship with geoffrey it was just depending on the point they were in like i said i was shielded from a lot of it i don't know a lot younger Yeah. Yes. I don't know if they were ever officially offered on. That's how I see it in my memories of saying him around a lot and not.

That's just my basis for it. But when he wasn't around, she was so bright and she would laugh more. And I may not have even realized it then, but it's true. Yeah. As you say, when you were living together, she was happy. It was the happiest you'd seen her in a long time. Absolutely. And she would have hit it.

She wouldn't have come forward and just kind of blurted out anything that was going on. She would have hid that. She would have tried to shield that. Don't, if this is you, don't hide it. Don't shield it. Scream from the rooftops till you can get help. Yes. Don't hide it.

Don't be ashamed. No. Don't. There's no shame if somebody's doing this to you. is not your shame. This is theirs. Let them carry it, not you. And it can happen to anyone. Like I said, I always say people don't get into abusive relationships because someone is mean to them. They get into them because they present themselves as kind and loving and a wonderful, you know, partner. So, and then by the time you're in it, it becomes very scary. Yeah. Yeah, don't,

don't wait if this is if you're seeing something coming up don't wait till next week don't wait till to run run get out to get away if her her life has to end maybe we can at least reach one other person out there that that we can say that the paxton can say my goodness um there is a go fund me that i i'm going to share in the description of this video um i i i want to share that. I want to be able to help in any way we can hear it into crime. And for those, while you guys are preparing a unexpected memorial and missing your sister and your niece, there is a go fund me in the description of this episode, this podcast episode and video, people can go to support your family. Why did you to choose to do? To choose to do

this interview today. I know it's like I said it's it's only been a week you guys are in immense grief right now. Why did you feel it's important to come? We want her story told. We want her name said. We want her name screamed from the mountains. We want if she has to be taken from us. if we can save one other woman, if we can maybe make one other family aware of to look for little things, the things that we didn't think, just we want her legacy

to live on of who she was and what she was, not how she was lost. So well said. And I want to keep doing things in her honor and in her name. however that's going to look, I don't know, but we're going to do something with domestic violence, animals.

There'll be something big out there with her name attached to it. Yes, that's beautiful. I believe that you will, and I will be looking forward to supporting and honoring Paxton and other women and men in this situation. Yes. Yeah. To help. So thank you for bringing awareness to this.

Also, the importance I want to stress of supporting shelters in your community because there is a need right now with weightless and the need for financial support and improve shelter systems can't happen without the community to help. And so, yeah. Yeah. my goodness. Anything else that either of you want to say right now, we will certainly be following Paxton's story and we hope, you know, that your family sees justice. Jeffrey, is it a $1 million bond at this time that he's being held?

Yes, and he's not been bailed out and we pray that he's not bailed out. He needs to sit for her mother's sake right now. she can at least know that he's not not out walking around that we're not going to run into him in a store. Yeah, I can't imagine. We want full justice. We really want him to pay for what he's done. We want the judge, the jury, whomever, however this plays out, you know, we don't have court dates yet,

but however this plays out, we want the fullest justice that we can get. It's not going to bring her back. It's not going to stop our pain. But at least he can't come out and hurt anyone else. He can't do that to anyone else. Have you heard from his family at all? No. No. You haven't either.

Wow. No. Wow. We would like to get her belongings. And that's another issue. They did share a place. there are belongings there. But as of right now, we're not allowed in because we don't have a key.

The detective said that his family can go in because they have a key, but because we can't get the key from Paxton that we are not allowed it. So we are waiting for the landlord who bless her, bless her, because she is going to, there's an eviction process that has to go through because thank God it is illegal to murder somebody in your apartment. breaks your lease. And as soon as she can get in there, she is going to give us

whatever is there of Paxtives. Oh, my goodness. So if his family would give you a key, you could go now, but they're not reaching out. No. And they don't even have to reach us. They can reach out to the landlord.

They can reach out to the police department. We would love to be able to just give something for her mother to hold right now with hers. And the dogs missing, were they not around when police arrived? Were they already gone? We don't know. It was never included in anything about dogs being there, but I have no doubt that they would have been there. Right.

As you say, she was a beloved, loyal, doting dog mother. Yeah. That's a mystery to this, too. I'll be honest. I want to know that Red and Buddy are safe. I want to make sure they're safe, but I also want to understand. to understand what happened and why did he do something with the dogs before calling police? Did someone come and pick the dogs up?

I think that's actually an important detail as someone that follows cases and as a reporter that I would want to understand too. I am starting to think of those things and wondering, just wondering. So much could have been, could have happened between. His story and the times, it's up in the air still. Right. And as you point out, if you waited longer than expected to call 911, and to be outside with his cross, you know.

Unless somehow it's another lie that he made up some random time. He essentially tried to give a time of death for her. That was very specific and random. So I'm unsure of how that would have. I don't know. The report states that, you know, this happened before midnight. There was a, there was a time in there. The fight happened before midnight, but he didn't call till three, four o'clock in the morning.

Right, right. The call is middle of the night or, as you say, three, four in the morning. I believe it was three something. I had it here. But yes. He had time obviously to put... 3.40. Almost 4 a.m. 340 is when the 911 call. To put something somebody else's trash bin and try to clean himself up.

And he had time to think about what he was going to say before he called. Right. And like you said, holding a cross when they arrived and you say you never even knew him to be religious. Did you ever sense, did you have any mental ill? that was talked about at all? Or was it just? No, nothing. No, I don't believe he took medication. Nothing of the sort.

I mean, and he just seemed like a normal guy, you know, maybe rude or short sometimes, but no clue. He does, the police report also states that he admits to taking a large dose of cocaine that night. So we're wondering if that didn't play into some violence or something. I'm so sorry. Thank you. I'm so sorry. We will remember Paxton, absolutely. And for the life she lived and the dog mom she was and the sister she was and the niece she was,

not what happened to her. But we will all also be following this case and hoping for justice and to learn more. I am so sorry that your days are now spent planning a funeral instead of the Thanksgiving meal that she would have loved. I am so sorry for that. And I will be thinking of your family. And again, for anyone listening, there is a link to a GoFundMe in the description of this episode. If anyone wants to be able to help the family during this time. We would appreciate that.

you don't think at 31 to have conversations of what do you want at your funeral? Would you wear? What kind of makeup? I mean, you want to start a payment plan? Yeah. The phenomenal cost of that, just making sure that she's buried in the proper way. That's important to her legacy. Absolutely.

Thank you, ladies. Is there anything else that you want to share at all before we end? Last night, I almost forgot because I went to sleep so late. Like 3 a.m., I created a Facebook page, Justice for Paxton. I haven't posted on there yet, but it should be up and ready and viewable. So if we have no idea what this process is going to be like, but if there are any relevant updates to give or just pictures to post it, the GoFundee to share anything, I'll be responsible for putting that up there.

Thank you for sharing that. We'll send me the link once we conclude, and I will add that link in the description of this episode as well. And right now it's justice for Paxton. Is that the name of the Facebook? Yes. We want to let people come along with us on this journey. we want people to pray for our family. Think of us as we try to figure out the steps that we have to take next.

We want to be transparent with how this is going so that maybe some people can understand a little different. Yes. Justice for Paxton Wallace. Facebook. And thank you. Yes. I know that there will be many of us. that will want to follow along in your journey for justice and in hoping that he remains behind bars

and that we understand more and that we find her beloved dogs. So thank you for letting us know about that Facebook page. Keep in touch. Keep us posted. And we will continue to follow Paxson's case and remember the light that she was. Is there anything else? I have only had the report read to me once. I will say I believe the fight in the street and the throwing of the things out might have been the night before.

But the way they're saying, gosh, who knows? I guess it would have been the night before. Right, because it was almost 4 a.m. the next day. And so that would be the night before. That would be even disturbing to find out. it was literally like then they would have fought for longer I don't know

yeah I need to mention that just in case but no I'm wrong now that I'm saying it out loud I believe do you think she was trying to leave at that moment like I mean clearly they fought they fought this wasn't their first fight

right do you think there was an escalation because she was attempting to leave or is it just too early to know are we just gonna wait I think it's too early. We're going to have to wait for more details to come out to know about that. We just, we want people to remember that she was a beautiful human with a beautiful smile who loved her family dearly. And we didn't deserve to have her taken from us.

She didn't serve this. It's not fair. No. No matter what happened or led up to what happened. It could have, it could have been stopped. It could have been, he could have stopped. He had many a chance was to stop. Let alone the size difference between them.

And I mean, there's just no justification. Paxton is, as you say, a petite, petite. Probably 120 pounds if I had to guess. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's very petite. And how big is Jeff, is Jeffrey? He's a big, tall guy. powered over all of us.

And he did manual labor for a job. So there's some, yeah, some stability there that you kind of thought was there, as those are pretty good jobs to have. But yeah, he was, he was, he was six to roughly 200 pounds, 150, 200.

And no, this, yeah, and this crime, this is, it's, it's very, personal. It is very violent. We, like I said, we don't need to get into it, but this is, this was horrific. Yeah. Horrific. Yeah. To say you love someone for eight years and then to do that to them. Yeah. Right. This was, yeah, I'm not. I'll leave it at that. But yeah, this is really horrific. I'm so sorry. Just know that her life. her life mattered her life mattered to us it mattered to the generations that are going to come now that the next generation's having babies yeah and i'm doing this for our mom that is my primary

reason she's um for lack of better words she's excited just to see paxton more and have people see see Paxton. To see her and not the horrific headlines, the graphic details. We will make sure that in this interview, people see Paxton. We will remember your sister and niece. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you, ladies.

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