Hidden True Crime - BREAKING NEWS: LOR VALLOW/CHAD DAYBELL BOMBSHELL FROM A CONFIDENTIAL SOURCE

Episode Date: November 21, 2023

BREAKING NEWS IN THE DAYBELL CASE: What does trial witness, friend to Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell, know? What did Lori Vallow tell her once friend Audrey Barratiero about Lori’s ex husband Joe Ryan’s death? To hear Audrey Barattiero's full court testimony click HERE To hear Dr John and Lauren discuss Audrey’s testimony during the Daybell trial, click HERE LAUREN MATTHIAS has worked as an anchor and reporter for ABC, NBC, and FOX News in Idaho and Salt Lake City, Utah. She spent a decade reporting on a diverse range of topics from high profile crimes to Presidential visits.. In 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award. She left the reporting world to produce the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and is a frequent contributor on News Nation. WEBSITE: https://hiddentruecrime.com/ TO SUPPORT: https://www.patreon.com/hiddentruecrime https://paypal.me/hiddentruecrime Our Sponsors:* Check out Acorns: https://acorns.com/HIDDENTRUECRIME* Check out Acorns: https://acorns.com/HIDDENTRUECRIME* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: https://www.armoire.style* Check out Effecty and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: https://www.effecty.com* Check out Happy Mammoth and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: https://happymammoth.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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that I want to share when it comes to the daybell case. And I don't say that. lightly, a confidential source has reached out and has told us some really interesting information that I want to share here and that I have permission, certain parts of what the confidential source told us, permission to share that. And we'll get right to it. this won't be a long live because I'll just share this information. I wanted to jump on here and share this information tonight. And John and I, Dr. John, my co-host and husband, the two of us, we've been following this

Davell case now for four years. It's not over. It's such an important case to continue following because Chad Daybell, who's been charged in multiple murders, still has his trial. and Lori is still going to be tried in Arizona. It's so important we keep following this case. And many of you that are following this dayball case know a lot has happened this week. Many motions filed by prior, the thought and talk that some of these imply that Chad is already throwing his wife under the bus for his trial to say she's the ringleader, she's the instigator.

she is the person solely to blame and she manipulated Chad. We're going to get into all of that on Saturday. Saturday's hit an hour. It's been a long time since John and I had a hidden hour when it came to the daybell case. And we're going to talk about all of that as well as the news I'm about to share with you tonight. So before we share that news, let's go over once again with a, one of the key players, a key witness in the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case. And her name is Audrey Barrettaro.

Audrey testified at the grand jury indictment. And Sean Little Bear, an interview that I did years ago was one of the first to bring Audrey up. He described Audrey as someone that was speaking to Chad all of the time, one of his good friends as well, someone who was connected to the dream girls. The dream girls, for those that don't know, is a group of females, women, actually, that would discuss dreams and visions in the last days. There's a textbook that I often hold up about dreams and visions. I'm looking at my desk to see if I have it right now. And I do not have it. I do not have it. I do not have it.

It's somewhere. But this textbook, I constantly hold up to show what is taught at preparing a people or was taught at preparing a people. And similar to these other prepping groups and a vow that was the dream girls. Audrey was connected to them. She wasn't the one teaching these classes. But according to Sean Little Bear in my interview, that's how he explained Audrey. So that's what we knew about Audrey. until she testified at Lori Vallow's trial.

And we were all wondering about Audrey. Oh, and there's one other thing. One other thing that's really important about Audrey. I'll pull it up. I'll pull it up. Hopefully I'll pull it up. Let's see here. Thank you for those that are just getting here.

Let everybody know we're here. I see there's about 900 of us here. I love that for an impromptu live. You guys want to hear this. Anyone following the day bell case? we're going to want to hear this. So one other thing I want to pull up about Audrey. Okay, can you guys see?

Oh, no, that is not what I wanted to pull up. So let me stop sharing this. Okay, let's try this again. What I'm wanting to share is this. I don't know if you guys remember this. This is Chandler Police Department. Chandler Police Department. Let me zoom it in for you all.

This is the trust levels. Do you guys remember the trust levels? There's so much with this case, isn't there? So much with this case. Let me try to make it a little bit bigger here. One of the things with this case that we're revisiting right now is Chad sent Lori a list of people and their levels of trust, who to trust the most. And if you guys went back and revisited it,

it seems like the people that they're supposed to trust the most is, is Melanie Gibb and then Dulema. See, we're looking here in the descending order. But actually, and so 97 is really trusting. So Melanie Gibb is really trusting. Melanie Boudreau is in 85. Serena and Christina, they're 18 and 8. They're low on the trust level.

Jason, that would be Jason Mao, 31. Summer's a 40. Lori's own sister, Chad Dable's like, meh, middle, don't trust summer. 100 on the trust level, according to Chad. I think one thing we don't ever look at very often is this. Look down here because it's at the bottom. It's confusing. Barry's an eight.

Janice, I believe, 15. Adam, don't trust Adam. Stacey, Talia, Audrey, right there. And Raphael, do you know who Raphael is? Raphael is Chad. Audrey and Chad, they're 100 on the, on the, on the trust level. So that's important. That's who Audrey is.

So do we remember who Audrey is? Okay. Yes. Let's now share something from Audrey's testimony. Something she said in her testimony. her testimony itself was a bombshell that testimony alone we're going to be revisiting some of it on saturday night too and one of the most draw-jopping moments and we'll listen to that later in the live is this threat that she says lorry gave her when she so she was with audrey was with lorry

and melany budro in hawaii when tammy day bell was killed after that they went from hawaii to Rexburg. And then according to Audrey, things got weird. And she was like, you know what? I'm out. I'm out. Peace out.

And that is according to Audrey when Lori threatened her. Let's listen to just one little piece of that threat. Because a lot of people talk about the threat, this threat. And it's wildly. It was a bombshell.

It was almost unbelievable. I sat in court. I was there at the trial sitting in court when this came down and I was like, I don't know if I can believe this. Dr. John and I were able to do a podcast and he allowed me to see it a different way. And I now believe Audrey, as does Dr. John, that this threat from Lori Valo happened. But here's a part of that threat that I think oftentimes I've gone back and I've listened to this since the confidential source reached out. So the confidential source didn't tell me about this. I went back and revisited Audrey's testimony.

And this part is really important. So let's listen. And this is on the Hidden True Crime channel. We have Audrey, Audrey Barrettaro's full court testimony, two hours on our channel. We're going to share this. All right.

So let's just start right here and listen to this one part. Overrule. Did she ever say, I killed my kids and I'm going to kill you two? Abjection beyond the scope. Overrule. No, I knew nothing about her children. Right. Did she say, I killed Charles and I'll kill you too?

She didn't talk about Charles. Nothing like that, right? She brought up being at the scene watching someone take their last breaths. And you have previously tested. I, she brought up, Lori brought up being at a scene watching someone take their last breath. Does anybody else remember this part of the trial? I do remember it. I do.

That's why I went looking for. I was like, she said that. She said that at the trial. And I remember that, right? So I went back to just relisten to how she, she said it again. And there it is. And I remember many people speculated then on some really horrendous thoughts that what happened. And, you know, was it JJ?

Was it Tiley? Who was it? Well, I'm going to read to you what I'm allowed to say from the confidential. source and I'm going to read it because because I don't want to get it wrong. There was a lot more set by this confidential source and I did vet this source. I guess I want you to know I vetted the source. They stated a few things. I checked it out.

I did a background check. I've verified this person and how they are connected to Audrey, who I can say they spoke to. so that they that they that they that they would have it would have made sense that they they talked so I'm going to read it because there are many things this confidential source told me and I'm only allowed to say this part so I'm going to read it to make sure I have it right so a confidential source again that I have vetted this confidential source spoke directly to audrey and this source tells me that Audrey told them that Lori told her, told Audrey, Lori told Audrey, that Lori said to Audrey that Lori watched Joe Ryan take his last breath and that Lori enjoyed it.

Lori implied someone else was there when Joe took his last breath and that Lori was grateful Joe's body was not found for days. That's all I can share right now. So I'm just going to read it one more time. This confidential source that I abetted spoke directly to Audrey. The source tells me that Audrey told them that Lori told her, told Audrey,

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Joe lost his life in 2018 on April 2nd, 2018-ish. That's when they have is the death day. We actually don't know because his body wasn't found. It was reported. And then back then, while his body was quite decomposed by the time he was found in his apartment, they did deem it natural causes from a heart attack. Now, it was released an audio recording of Lori Vallow DeBell at an audio recording at Melanie Gibbs home, like a fireside in 2018, a religious gathering where they're all sharing their testimonies of Jesus Christ for those to remember. In October of 2018, so months after Joe Ryan died of this alleged heart attack,

Lori was quoted as saying, I was going to murder him. I was going to kill him like the scriptures say like Nephi just to stop the pain, to stop him coming after me and to stop him coming after my children, end quote. That recording as well as a few other things that took place allowed the Phoenix Police Department to reopen Joe Ryan's case. They opened, we opened that case in 2021, and they closed it again, confirming again, that Joe Ryan died of natural causes. There is no open case for Joe Ryan. Joe Ryan, it is, it was before that Lori met Chad.

It has nothing to do with the case at hand. But Joe Ryan is certainly someone everyone has speculated about. and we continue speculating about him, I cannot come here and confirm anything with you. All I can tell you is what this confidential source that I betted has told me and what they have told me I'm allowed to say. And that is what I have shared. Yes, she was married to Charles in 2018.

This is what happened to Joe. It was her ex-husband at the time, if I didn't make that clear. Joe had been a long-time ex-husband at this point, at this point, by the time he lost his life. I am not saying that Joe Ryan was murdered. I am not coming here to confirm anything. Please listen to my words carefully. I am telling you what a confidential source told me that they said Audrey told them. Take that for what it is.

it's pretty big. And again, there's some additional information. I just, I can't share it right now. So yes, there is more, I cannot tell you. I think that one thing I want to do right now is relisten to some of Audrey's testimony, just about five minutes. Then we'll call it alive.

And plan on John and I doing a daybell hit an hour, this Saturday evening, 6.30 p.m. Pacific time. That's 7.30 Mountain, 830, Central, 9.30 Eastern. I'll have a link before you know it, but I don't have one right now. So hit subscribe, hit notification so that you can see that link when it's arrived. So let's go ahead. I just want to go back and listen to a little bit more of Audrey's testimony. And then we will be talking about this more later. This part of the testimony, just so you know, Audrey is dropping this bombshell about being threatened.

And then it concludes and then the defense takes the stand and they ask her, they cross-examine her. So let's take a listen to this. I'm going to pull up a certain time. Okay. We're going to start at 151. Okay, let's see. I have a visitor, I think.

And I think, Audor, you indicated this was when defense counsel asked you why you ended the friendship, and that was in what month? In October, 2019. Okay. Yes, I had already need plans to leave because I had prayed about it and it felt like I needed to leave. And in the friendship. And I was leaving early the next morning. And Lori and I were the only ones in her place at the time.

And I told her that I was going to go upstairs and pack my bag and just go to bed early because I didn't want to spend more time with her. And as I went to go and do that, I asked her the question, is there anything weird going on? I don't know about it. And she said, no. What do you mean? And I said, I don't know anything. And she said, no. So I took her to word because I'm a trusting person.

And she, as soon as I turned to stop to go up the stairs, she started laughing, the kind of laugh as if you're laughing at someone or things, something's hilarious. And she said to me, you're so naive. I do trust you. You're like a little child. You'll believe anything anyone would tell you. And she said, you think the world is all unicorns and rainbows.

You go around helping people and serving them. Well, I've got news for you. Not everyone's a good person. And not everyone can afford to be so nice and kind. And as she said that she... So I want to just focus on what threats she made to you. She threatened to kill me. Okay. Did she say how?

Yes. She said that she would cut me up. That's something about that she wasn't in the mental place to do that, but that she would get herself in that place to be able to do it. But that she didn't want to have to be so messy and there being so much blood and the bleach and something about trash bags. I thought she would bury me worse. She would no one would ever find me.

I don't think I have any other questions, Your Honor. Thank you. All right, Mr. Hollings. I'd have regret to that. You may, Mr. Archibald. So this diabolical conversation that you're having with Lori in October, was this in Idaho? Yes.

You'd been with her previously in October of 2019 in Missouri, right? Yes. You'd been with Lori previously in October of 2019 in Hawaii, right? Yes. And then you'd been, then you've followed Lori from Hawaii to Idaho in October of 2019, right? Right? Yes. And then you decide it's time to go home to Missouri.

I'm sorry. I didn't follow her. I did not follow Lori. Okay. You just happened to go from one state where you were vacationing with her to her place where she lived. But you're saying that's not following. Objection, argumentative. That's sustained.

So this conversation in Idaho is before you go to the temple or after. you go to the temple. After. And so you're saying she starts laughing and talks about unicorns and rainbows and that she would cut me up and put me in trash bags. So yes, you mentioned trash bags. Why? Objection calls for speculation. Did she ever say, I killed my kids and I'm going to

kill you too. Abjection beyond the scope. Overrule. No, I knew nothing about her children. Right. But she'll say, I killed Charles and I'll kill you too. She didn't talk about Charles. Nothing like that, right?

She brought up being at the scene watching someone take their last breaths. And you have... Again, just a really interesting moment that I went back to watch. She told me that she was at the scene watching someone take their last breath. And once again, I'm just going to read it again.

A confidential source I have vetted spoke to Audrey. The source tells me that Audrey told them that Lori told her, told Audrey, that Lori said to Audrey that Lori watched Joe Ryan take his last breath, that Lori enjoyed it. they implied someone else was there and that Lori was glad that Joe's body was not found for days. We'll talk more about this Saturday night, but I felt it was important to get out there and the confidential source felt it was important to get out there. It's one reason they reached out to me.

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