Hidden True Crime - Code Words, Secret Meetings & a Family in Panic | Donna Adelson Trial Day 5 Recap

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

Day 5 of the Donna Adelson trial zeroed in on wiretaps, secret meetings, and coded family conversations prosecutors say reveal the murder plot. From the FBI’s “bump” sting to Donna’s own words, the state is tightening its case against Donna. FULL BACKSTORY- Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hidden-true-crime/id1521619380?i=1000670853208 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/episode/2VGAg7V4owkukkAG8SgNFZ?si=8oxZ2529QP28a_gHMTrpvA About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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something else and I want to explain that as we've been covering the Donna Aedelson trial I know that it can be tough to put all these puzzle pieces together so I do want to do a little recap really quickly because each witness gives bits of information that don't always make sense on their own, but as a trial has gone on, the bigger picture of what the state is trying to show has become more clear. And great example, take Robert Adelson's testimony. He told the jury that Donna specifically told him that their father, Harvey, didn't want any gifts for his birthday that year, only to then have his children and grandchildren together. At first, that detail seemed random, right?

But now we see why it mattered. The state has shown that Donna, Charlie, and Wendy were consistently talking about a birthday present for Harvey. Robert said the siblings usually all chipped in on gifts, but Donna told him not this year. So if there wasn't supposed to be a gift, why were Donna, Charlie, and Wendy discussing one? prosecutors now say that the so-called gift was actually code for the murder itself. And that's why Donna later sent the delete this text after discussing the gift and why Charlie told her he was, quote, still working on it. We also heard Donna's, in Donna's own words after she received the bump flyer demanding $5,000 for Louise,

she told Charlie, quote, this TV is about five. The state argues that referring to the demand as the TV ties back to Wendy's Geek Squad TV repair, an alibi that the Aedelson's set up for her on the day of the murder. We also have learned more about how the state believes Wendy herself may have been involved. For example, instead of breaking things off cleanly with her boyfriend Jeff, she told him she needed a week to think. that kept him in her life right up until the murder. Prosecutors say she had details of his travel schedule, even though she had no plans to see him, so she'd know exactly when he'd be driving near Dan's house.

Combined that with the fact that Sigfredo and Louise rented cars similar to Jeff's, and it looks like they may have been prepared to use him as a fall guy, frame him, essentially. On top of that, Wendy also argued with Dan about their son's pickup time, the day of the murder and made sure to know his travel schedule. Details she could pass along to the group to confirm Dan would be in town for the hit, and their children would still be in school. Then there's the cell and mapping data. Yesterday, we saw how Wendy drove down Trescott Drive, Dan Street, claiming she was just heading

to a liquor store before meeting friends for lunch. But the data showed there were three liquor stores much closer to her starting point, going down Trescott was out of the way. The implication, she was checking to see that the hit had gone through. And when she saw police tape on her ex-husband street, she didn't even call the check of Dan and the kids were okay. So that's the broader context. I just wanted to lay all of that out.

And with that, let's move into what we saw today. Much of it was repetitive from yesterday, long stretches of listening to grainy, undercover recordings and wiretap phone calls, but each piece continues to build on the state's theory. And you can come here for a recap that avoids the repeat and gets to the meat and potatoes and fill you in on everything you need to know. Day five. Day five opened with some tension in the courtroom. Before the jury was even brought in, the defense raised an evidence dispute. They argued that the prosecution had committed a discovery violation by introducing

the FBI's enhanced audio from the Monty's restaurant meeting only yesterday after the trial was already underway. That enhanced version had been played through FBI expert McLeod Cleveland, and the defense claimed they had never received it in discovery. Judge Everett listened to both sides. The state countered that the original audio recording had been turned over long ago and that the enhancement was simply a clear version of what was already available. After considering Judge Everett ruled that the defense would be allowed to decide which version original or enhanced would go into evidence to make sure the defense had time to properly review it with Donna. He decided that he would dismiss the jury early for lunch, giving them the

afternoon to catch up. And the question here is always whether late disclosure prejudices the defense. If extra time to review fixes the issue, the evidence is usually allowed in, but even with the judge's ruling, Donna's attorneys may still use this as a potential appellate issue down the road if the trial results in a conviction. After that, the jury was brought back in and the state picked up where it left off with the wiretaps. FBI Special Agent Patrick Sanford returned to the standing guide jurors through the intercepted calls. Each juror was handed a set of headphones so they could clearly hear the recordings, many of which capture the Adelson speech. in coded language. In one call between Donna and Charlie,

the two talk about Wendy's job and career choices. Donna pushes Charlie to step in and help manage his sister's decisions. On its face, it sounds like a mother meddling in her adult child's life, a just super controlling mother. But prosecutors are using this to show a larger pattern. Donna inserting herself not just in family matters,

but in the conspiracy itself. Take a listen. I don't know if I told you this. I got one of you to accept that job. With who? She told me she was going to accept, like after I got down on her, and I'm going to walk with her. She said she was going to accept that job. She was thinking about not taking it.

I think because it's not what she wants, but it's only about... But I said, let me. First of all, there's no time frame on it. And if you change your mind, you change your mind. so you'll pick up skills you don't have. Right. And basically, now's not the time to just show him to guidance counselor in Miami. Like, you're way over qualified.

They can't get hired in there. No, no, they offered her a job at you on, but Dean called her up with you up. Oh, she didn't tell me this. Yeah, but it would have been basically like as a, not a guidance counselor, an advisor or whatever it was. Like she's like not really it's basically would have been brain dead and you and the Dean called her up to ask her to take the job No, but the thing is I'm like Wendy you have to get as much skill as you can now If this is a skill you just got done telling me you don't really know how to do

now at the time to learn that skill not later Yeah, you need to learn so you can learn so you don't like it you can learn you can make a bunch of money that's the whole thing that she can you know I'm like I mean then you might as well do it to see if you even like

well it's not really what I like but she's never done what but you've never done so you really don't you don't know until you say dentistry you practice dentistry you don't really know what it's like so I got her to do that

and the other thing I was going to tell you is she asked me a date could come to the house the mother's day. Oh, she missed you. Yeah. If I had a mind, and I said, of course I'm mine. Don't bring them. And I told her, I said, yeah,

she was texting me the other day. And I said, yeah, bring in the morning murder. You know, why not? Because. Yeah, I don't care. I wouldn't care if you take your kids and are anything else on the book, her and how.

Oh, yeah. I'm afraid of school. Just to have, you know, some of the rest of the way. Yeah, I told her, of course, for any of,

I mean, I'm sure she'd rather than just hurt to spend a day with him than you anyway. The surveillance videos add another layer as well. Cameras caught Donna

meeting with Charlie at Montes, a restaurant near the beach. The two spoke quietly, almost in whispers, before Charlie left to meet Catherine in Alexis.

She bought from the Aidelson family. The state argues the sequence lays out the structure of the plot. Dawn at the center, Charlie acting as her direct link, and Catherine as the middleman connecting them to the men who carried out the murder. The wiretap evidence then shifted to another key surveillance moment, this time at a restaurant called Dolce Vita, where Charlie and Catherine were captured on FBI audio. The recording was far from clean, far from clean.

espresso machines hissed, dishes clattered, and even the hum of the air conditioning bled into the track. But FBI experts later enhanced the audio, making it possible to hear the conversation buried beneath the noise. And according to the state, what emerged was coded talk about money and cover-ups. Charlie and Catherine avoided using names, but they spoke in veiled terms, mentioning salary, blackmail, and even examples about rental cars. The state says these weren't random words. Salary, they argued, was shorthand for Sikfredo Garcia. And when the pair left Dolce Vita, Charlie called his mother.

The FBI labeled this call F, and jurors were able to hear the recording while following along with transcripts provided by agents. Judge Everett paused to remind them that the audio itself is the actual evidence, the transcript is only a tool to help them keep up. Then came call J. Another wiretap, the state highlighted for its coded language. The number 6570 came up repeatedly, 6570, the last four digits of the undercover agent's phone number. And that same number had been handed to Donna on paper during the bump, spoken about between Charlie and Catherine at Dulce Vita and later passed along by Catherine and Sigfredo.

This continues to show the conspiracy in motion. Information moving from Donna to Charlie to Catherine and then finally to the hitman. So after the Dolce Vita dinner, the FBI ramped up the pressure. Investigators mailed a letter directly to the Adelson's condo. It was blunt and threatening, meant to shake the family into more conversation. The letter read, quote, my phone is not ringing so you don't care about Tato and what he did for you. He knows he is fucked. so will you help?

End quote. The message was designed to re-engage the co-conspirators to see whether Donna or Charlie would react, and in doing so, revealed themselves further. That same evening, the FBI captured Call L1, logged at 8, 26 p.m. Charlie phoned Catherine just hours after their dinner at Dulce Vita. In the state, they emphasized how quickly the circle of communication tightened in the wake of the undercover threats. The jury was then walked through a rapid series of wiretaps and meetings that unfolded in the days after the Dolce Vita meeting. And on April 25th, 2016 at 7.04 p.m., Charlie called

Catherine. And what agents logged as call M. He told her, quote, I just talked to my parents about my day, end quote. He then urged her to come meet him at a condo complex known as the icon. And you can hear his urgency. Let's listen to that. I was standing up. I was talking to my parents about my day. To come back here so I can see it's very in the car. The icon is in that big building as soon as you're an all fit and you cross over fit. I can get my car and start trying to find you and then we got a drive in the car.

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were raised with his parents and pulling Catherine directly into the loop. Roughly, 30 minutes later came call N, a follow-up after their condo meeting. Then at 8.59 p.m. that same night, the FBI captured call O, another late-night call between the two. And by the next day, April 26th, the conversations grew more urgent. In call P, Charlie and Catherine spoke in hushed voices using words like the proff. The problem. Prosecutors argue this was more coded talk, of course it was, the problem being the undercover bump and the blackmail threat. However, even with all the surveillance, the FBI had in place, not everything was caught. Jurors learned that Charlie and Catherine sometimes shifted their conversations to WhatsApp, arranging hidden meetings outside the FBI's view. Investigators admitted they didn't realize these chats were happening until later. For the state, the very fact that these two went out. of their way to hide communications proves a consciousness of guilt.

Late that same night, the FBI captured another important exchange. At 10.48 p.m., Charlie picked up the phone and called his mother. This was logged as call M1. And on the wire, the two discussed small details. Ballet stands, back gates, movements around their condo. To the state, it wasn't idle chatter. This was more coded talk logistics spoken in shorthand and proof that Donna was engaged in the real-time planning that followed the bump.

a listen. his girlfriend at the time, and jurors had already heard June testify earlier in the trial on the call. Charlie apologized and told her he was, quote, sorting out a big deal. June explained from the witness stand that after the undercover bump, her routine with Charlie was shaken. He was distracted, edgy, and his behavior changed noticeably. Prosecutors used this moment to show how the FBI's undercover operation had rattled the Adelson Circle, sending ripples even into Charlie's personal relationships. And by the next morning, April 26, 2016, at 948 a.m., the chain of communication was moving again.

This time, it began with the hit man. Sikfredo called Catherine, and from there, the links connected upward. Catherine to Charlie, Charlie to Donna, and for the state, this pattern was a conspiracy in action, the killers reaching out at the bottom, Donna Adelson, at the top, and her son Charlie serving as the link that bound it all together. Jurors were then brought back to the moment of the bump itself when the undercover FBI agent approached Donna outside her condo. The agent handed her a flyer, scrawled with a $5,000 demand. Luis Rivera's nickname and veiled threats.

But Donna didn't panic and she didn't call police. Instead, she went straight to the phone and called Charlie. No, not the police. She's just going to call her son, Charlie. Prosecutors argue that calm measured reaction was also consciousness of guilt. Charlie, in turn, reached out to Catherine. And then once Catherine heard about the bump, she texted the credo. His reply came back quickly.

It read, whatever is going on with you and your homie is your business. You guys work that shit out. Don't text me, end quote. The state highlighted this as McFredo trying to distance himself from the fallout, putting the responsibility back on Catherine and Charlie. Catherine didn't leave it there. In call T, she phoned Charlie likely to relay Sycredo's response. The next day, April 26th, the one.

wires kept rolling. In Call V, Charlie and Catherine discussed the undercover's number ending in 6570. And about an hour later, in Call W, Catherine and Sigfredo spoke about the same number, though notably no one had dialed it yet. Then came Call Y. On that call, Sigfredo told Catherine that he had finally called the number. But when Catherine spoke to Charlie, she said she was the one who called. And when Charlie reported back to Donna, he told her Catherine had done it. It was being handled. The problem for the Aedelson's phone records show that nobody ever actually called the number. The state is showing that this contradiction, the conspirators all insisting the call was made when it wasn't, reveals the layers of deception and cover-up running

through the family's response. And just days after the first bump, the FBI made another move. On the morning of April 28th, 2016 and 922 a.m., the undercover agent phoned Adelson Institute dental office directly. He asked for Donna by name and left a callback number. 35305-7-1-2-6-5-70. That same number tied to the bump flyer. He told the receptionist, quote, it's important. I need to hear what she thinks. And then the receptionist wrote down the message to give to Donna. Take a listen. Good morning. Thank you for call with your Ms. Nelson's office, she's there to be able to with you. Jess, good morning.

May I speak to Donna, Mrs. Dona, Addison? May I let her know who's calling? Sammy from... I met her last week and I gave her some paperwork. You met her last week and you gave with some paperwork regarding... Oh, she knows what it's about as important paperwork. Your name is Sammy? Yes.

Do you have another phone for you? another phone for you can be reached my number is 305 712 6 5707 oh she's not available right now but you know maybe give your call back okay just kind of it's very important I need to find that immediately what she thinks about the paperwork okay I'm at the last week yes thank you so much Within 20 minutes, the wiretaps picked up call Z. Charlie on the line with his mother. Donna told him someone very important had just called asking for her.

Charlie immediately recognized the number as the same one from the bump. Let's listen to a bit of that call. Oh, Charlie. Are you to notice? You're hoping to do. No, no, I was talking this morning and yeah, so Erica called me and Erica called me and she's probably Bobby was there, she's been on the

valet call a lot but somebody called this morning he he's been a name with Sammy and he gave some very important papers last week and hadn't heard from me. So you want you to call him back and hear some number. Okay. So I want you to verify my father. number was the same you could correct number yet told you that so obviously I'm not going to call the number and if you did not be too much the

college it hit star 67 before we called the number and then we know the number you called on what's your suggestion the odd thing is this is that that's the same number I gave you the number I never kept it you kept it you kept it so hundred the number What was? 305. Right. 712. 25.

17. No, it's so much. It's the reaction here. Yeah. That's the same number. Donna asked, quote, what should I do? Charlie reassured her saying, quote, let me call somebody.

Don't worry. Right after hanging up with Donna, Charlie tried calling Catherine. There was no answer and he didn't leave a voice mail. It was a misconnection, but the state argues it showed just how quickly Charlie moved to pull her into the loop, wherever more pressure hit. The state then began to play call A.A. Another wiretap in the sequence, but before jurors could hear the full exchange, Judge Everett broke for the lunch recess, pausing the day right in the middle of the undercover Sting's second wave. After lunch, FBI agent Sanford returned to the stand. His testimony,

only picked up with the continuation of call AA and the wiretap sequence linking Donna, Charlie, and Catherine. Next, the undercover agent finally receives a callback. Charlie dials Star 67 to mask his number. Remember Star 67? I mean, is that still a thing?

Well, it was back then. Charlie dialed Star 67 to mask his number and reaches the agent. posing as a gang member. The agent demands that Tutoh and Katie B handled the same way that the family had handled things before, meaning financially.

Charlie pretends not to understand it, but immediately calls Catherine afterward and take a listen to this. Who's this? Yeah, that's me. Nothing's taken care of. His family's not been taken care of. I talked to you to thank you for Scott. You know, Tava?

I'm not going to know Katie. They're getting care of what you? You don't? You told me what one? What was taking care of him? He was taking care of Katie? The head of paperwork. She went.

During the white, you have to be to the white case without you taking care of the family. She's like Asian Tuto didn't take care of taking care of. Take care of Tocke and take care of Tito. During the call,

Charlie actually says Tuto on the wire directly connecting himself to Sikfretto. This shows that the family understood exactly, exactly who the agent was talking about. Sikfredo hears about the Tuto conversation and even suggest calling the police, but still no one does.

Catherine repeatedly calls him back while feeding details to Charlie and keeping him involved. In Call labeled JJ, Sigfredo and Katie mock the quote, funny people referring to the undercover agent trying to make threats. They know the 6-570 number, but treat it as more of a nuisance rather than a real threat. In call labeled KK, Sikfredo talks about. about the 6-570 number calling again. Katie insists that she'll answer it next time. The wire taps captured everyone in the group discussing the same phone number, which indicates that they really were the ones involved.

In call labeled LL Charlie Vents to Catherine, he says, quote, they keep saying Katie and some guy named Tuto, end quote. He sounds frustrated, which may have been a cover in case the lines were tapped, to seem like he was unaware of what's going on. Sigfredo texted, Katie, quote, I called the number three times, no answer. However, records later showed that he never actually called the number. Donna tells Charlie about the voicemail she received,

noting it was in Spanish. She brushes it off as nonsense harassment, clearly trying to downplay how serious it really was. And during a long evening call, Charlie rants about the undercover agent saying to, quote, do the right thing in the message. He spins it, saying, quote, even if you're innocent, you just pay to make it go away. The state pointed to this as evidence that he understood that extortion was tied to Dan's murder.

They also discussed hoping that the caller won't go and bother Wendy next. and just go home a voice. I want everybody to do it. That's right. And that's the other thing, too, is that... When I spoke to death, he said, you know, you don't, we don't

say anything because the last thing you want to do is after a late, and I don't want to scare. I know. She was scared from day one. She's finally over being scared. And she heard that she would be surprised at himself. Absolutely.

And he doesn't think is as long as that. Everybody handles every situation differently. It's like somebody has a death of the family. And if they don't act, everything else, well, they're responsible for? No. Everybody handles tragedy. Different. At my bank, I was literally getting pennies using wealth fronts.

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That term, bad Yelp review comes up again, clearly a coded reference to extortion. Next, an extended playback of Charlie's do the right thing call was played. Let's listen to a portion of that. So, yeah, I mean, that's, well, that's... someone telling me to do the right thing that's when someone's appealing sensitive come on how people they don't feel they want to get and I told them and he was like you don't know where they don't know where any these people are but you know the next thing will be we'll see what happens a couple days from now I'll

reach out again to this person and ask them because I got to say I'm curious to know who from my family that we say he knows spoke to that's why I think it's also not because because what I want to know is you know I mean obviously we have cousins and we've close family friends you have you know I got a brother up in New York but like I wanted the owner they show up again but you know whether it's a letter or whatever But the point is, it's going to be paid a lot of money to do a job. So they're trying to investigate. How do you get the investigation going?

You're restored a pot of two and you see what comes up on the bottle. That's what we need on the top. After this, Judge Everett told jurors that court will end earlier than usual today. Agent Sanford then continued the presentation of wiretap and surveillance evidence. On April 29, 2016, Charlie talks in a sweet tone with Catherine, even mentioning a birthday gift for Sigfredo and offering Catherine a Rangerover. He tells her he got Sigfredo a, quote, a very nice gift card. Catherine also calls Charlie her child's godfather, which shows that they were still close at the time. By May 4, 2016, the undercover agent sends a blunt text to Donna.

at 209 a.m. It reads, quote, So you don't take me serious? If you think what Katie's baby daddy did for you can't come back, you're fucking crazy. I want the money or I'm going after the 100K, end quote. The agent was threatening that if they don't pay the $5,000, he will alert police about what they know regarding Dan's murder to claim the reward. Donna starts to panic, sparking calls throughout the family and to Catherine. Donna eventually calls the undercover number herself, recording the conversation on her phone.

And this clip is a little long, but still, take a listen. Whoa. This is Mrs. Adelson. Is this famous, okay, my grandchildren have not come before, so my... The new editor?

I'm Mrs. Daedleson. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And I just saw that you called. Oh, okay. I was...

You left a message on my voicemail. Right, it did. No. This is my problem. You approached me on Alton Road. You handed me an article from the newspaper about my ex-sum-law. You told me I need to call you and help your friends who was in prison. in prison. Now at the time you did that, I didn't understand what you were talking

about. I didn't call you back. Then you now need a threatening letter. Then you send me a text message to my phone that says I'm not taking you seriously. So I am taking you serious first and I really want you to listen to me. I have to tell you, I mean, this is important. I have been so stressed out. I have spoken to 10 or 12 people who are close friends of mine, telling them about this and basically picking their brains and asking them what I should do because I don't know your friend who is in jail.

I don't, you mentioned your name. I don't even know his name. I never close to him. I don't know what he looked like I've never met him I'm sorry your friends in jail but I don't know what that has to do with me you know you know exactly what it has to do with you do know what exactly but listen to me listen to me you can get you just got you just got you just got you just got to me you need to answer you know who this person looks like what their

name is something because I know there's a big reward out there and if you need money for your friends, that's the way to get it. I mean, I'm asking me nicely. I don't know who he is. I am tabby-look. It is not me. If I can help, I would help.

I mean, that's why I have. Just like I told you, listen to me, just like I told you that day, we know what, we know that your family had a problem up north. We know that that problem is taken care of at least about a year and a half, two years ago. And we know that Katie has been taken care of it and has been taken care of it. Now, my brother, my brother in jail, we were in Broward together. He told me the whole thing, and he hasn't been taken care of. You know. Now, all that's being asked for is 5K.

That's all we're asking for us for 5K. and he told me everything and I know everything I know who's involved I know everything and I I'll get that hundred K for myself you know I'll ask him to send the 5k you everybody knows what's going on I don't you know you're saying everyone knows I know I lost my ex on the law I did not have anything to do with it that's why I said ask you what that's what that's That's what my brother Sato told me everything when we were in jail. He told me everything and who was involved. I know everything.

Well, I don't. That's the problem. I'm telling you it's not me. It's not me. I have had a year of aggravation, a year and a half of aggravation over this. My daughter, my grandchildren, it is not me. And when I asked my friends, what do they think? They said, well, this person needs to get a description of you because of what you look like.

It's not me. I don't know who caused this. It wasn't. I mean, I don't know. Just like that day when I talked to you, this is not going away. This is not going to go away. It's acceptable and everything. He wasn't being taken care of.

He needed the 5K. Send five pay that's all that's all we're asking for Yeah I don't do that I don't know who stucco is you don't understand I we know you know who cato is but you know who katie is and you know the contact katie has and she has listen to me let's stop fucking around let's stop fucking around

okay you know who katie is and you know that katie has somebody that knows stucco and they and they took care of a problem for you people. That's just the bottom line. The bottom line is you know what the fuck Katie is. Look, I don't, I know, no more than this. No, I'm not fucking, I'm not fucking wrong with it. You know who Katie is. Do you know that they took care of Katie and her people? Nobody's taking care of Tato. You, I know you don't know who Tadol is. But we know, we know who all of you are. And this ain't going away. You know what?

So I can give you that you want you send the 5k? Here's what you need to do. You need to go and... Don't tell me what you do. I know what you're doing and I'm doing it. You're looking for money. Get $100,000 or whatever the reward is. It isn't me.

You have got the wrong person. That's why I said, ask your friends. You're Donna. You're Donna Adelson. Yes, I am. Yes, I am. Well, I know. We know who's involved in all this. So on the call, she says, quote, it's not me. I didn't do anything. I don't know who you are.

And then the undercover agent press is saying, quote, your family had a problem up north. We know it was taking care of. My brother told me everything. And then Donna continues to plead saying, quote, it wasn't me. I don't know what you're talking about. end quote. The undercover agent doesn't relent. He says, quote, we know Katie, we know Tuto, we know who took care of your problem. This isn't going away, end quote. Well, Donna continues to deflect saying, quote, go to the police, get the reward. It's not me. Well, Charlie reviews the recording from her phone with Donna. By May 7th, he's venting to Catherine using code words, expressing frustration, and even joking. about pigs, which is slaying for police. This shows that they now understood the bump more than likely involved law enforcement. Once the group figured out what was going on, the wiretapping effectively ended. Normal conversations continued discussions about Wendy's

love life, family matters, and day-to-day chit-chat. Next, agents served a subpoena at the Adelson Institute dental office for Catherine's employment records. A receptionist secretly called Charlie, which was captured on the wire. He told the receptionist, quote, it's not my office. It's my dad's office. I don't have access. The last recording discussed was call L1 with Charlie calling Donna after he met Harvey at the restaurant and their conversation captures them brushing off the undercover sting saying they are, quote, not done like that. And quote, trying to cast doubt on on the legitimacy of the operation. Let's all listen to this together.

Yeah. Yeah, I have a couple of questions. Just one of the future. Yeah, but it makes sure that makes sense for this. Yes, the judge. There's so much some questions that are things that I think should be addressed. But, you know, the direction of... Yeah, I'll talk about it.

the rocker. Yeah. Yeah. And whatever. I thought everything again and again again. And I think I'm hard. It's 499%. None of it makes things. There's no, it's not, it's not done like that. It's not. I know for a fact. It's not. It's not. They're approaching somebody who has not. So they're listening like that. Yeah. literally. Yeah. It's just,

it's other nonsense. It's, you know, other, other, other, other nonsense. And I wouldn't pay any attention.

It's not no attention at all. It's not done like that. It's wide out. It's not done like that. Yeah. We'll talk about it tomorrow. Yeah, I mean,

I could say it on the phone without saying it, but it's not done in such a nice manner. And with that court ended for the day, somewhat early. And tomorrow, we should be. picking back up finally with cross-examination of Agent Sanford. Thank you, everyone. Have a great night. I will see you tomorrow. And of course, we are continuing to follow the heartbreaking case in

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