Hidden True Crime - EXCLUSIVE: The Emotional Aftermath of a Guilty Verdict- With Gerry Vallow | Lori Vallow Daybell

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

After a guilty verdict, Charles Vallow's brother Gerry sits down with Lauren to talk about what this verdict means for him, his thoughts on Lori, and his plans for his victim impact statement. **This episode contains explicit language About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. OneSkin: Get 15% off OneSkin with the code HIDDEN at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And the other, the other, we have somebody else here too that you're petting. This is Lily. Hey. Lily is a therapy dog that actually belongs to my producer Grayson. And you two, you two have connected and your shirt. You have some, you're a dog lover. I am. I love dogs.

I love all animals. Yeah. Yeah. How are you feeling today? We had a guilty verdict yesterday. Lori, your one sister-in-law, Lori, Valo Daybell was found guilty of murdering your brother. How are you feeling today?

vindicated that she was found guilty, of course. We all knew that she would be pretty much, but you never can tell what a jury will do. But we felt confident that with the evidence that Trina presented, that it was a open and shut case. And I just, today I'm feeling very good. and it's today's a great day. It really is.

Jerry, you haven't over the last six years done a lot of interviews. You have been interviewed. You're even on the dateline, weren't you? Yes. But, you know, your sister, Kay Woodcock has been, you know, able to do a lot of the interviews and fought for justice for JJ and Tiley. And I bet you have a lot to say.

I do. Well, it's, in Idaho, that was a different story because it's about Thailand and JJ. And it was their trial. And it was Kay and Larry's story. And I just, I was camera shy anyway. So I just didn't want to go public. And I was asked many times. And I never, never accepted. And now it was my brother's trial and it was time for me to speak out. So after the verdict was read, guilty, and when I walked outside, we faced the cameras for the first time. And I just walked straight up to them. I said, Jerry, you can do this. You can do this. and I walked straight up to the bank of cameras with all,

oh, 50 of them or so. And I just went out there and I talked. And it was easy. And I couldn't believe that I thought it would be so hard. Just it was incredible. You did a good job. Thank you. And you were standing by two of your sisters, Susan and Kay.

Susan stood there. She was, she's also a little. shy she didn't end up speaking but you spoke and key spoke um did it feel good it felt very good if no it just felt very good and i had my arm around k and then susan i think at one point and because susan is so shy she just she just doesn't want to say anything and it it was just a good thing it was just a good It got a lot of stress and anger out of me. It's just, it felt good. It really did.

Good. I can't imagine what you've been going through the last six years. And knowing the day, when did you first learn that Charles had been Sean killed? Can I ask you that? Can I go back to 2019? Yes, Kay had called me. I was working on a drilling rig in West Texas, and I worked a 12-hour shift, just took a shower.

Matter of fact, I was leaning back in a chair, working on a half gallon of Blue Bill chocolate ice cream, and the phone rang. Kay said, Jerry. Hold on. Let me get Bobby on the phone. And she got my little brother on the phone. And she told me that Charles had been shot and killed by Alex.

And that's how I found out. What went through your mind? Did you know that this was murder right away? Did you know this is? No, I didn't know it was murder. I just knew that it just didn't sound. right yeah you know self-defense charles went in there with a bat to try and smack alex and head and he shot him in self-defense it it it just didn't ring right with me it didn't yeah and

and and then what i mean did you try were you close to lorry did you try calling lorry no i was never close to lorry i uh matter of fact Lord. When Charles first met her and I first met her, I didn't tell Charles, but I told myself, there's something about her that I don't like, and I couldn't put my finger on it. I just really couldn't. But there was something about her I didn't like. And I guess it proved to be true. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we talked about how dogs know human beings and sometimes human beings know human beings. Sometimes we trust our guts. Sometimes we don't. Did you think she was involved? Not at first. No. When did you start realizing this was more in that Lori?

Well, as the months wore on and all the other things started coming out like the kids were missing, I knew that they were either hidden in a cave somewhere or they were dead. And I suspected the latter. I really did. Did you suspect that before Kay or others? Well, I think Kay might have known but didn't want to accept it or something, but I kind of knew that she couldn't produce them. So they weren't hidden in a cave, so they're dead. They killed them.

Yeah. Yeah. And then, of course, their remains were found. Right. What was that daylight for you? Were you talking to Kay a lot during this? Your other, Susan, your other siblings, Bobby, during this time?

Kay, I was always so busy working that I just couldn't carry my phone. Right. You know, on the oil rig. So I would look at it when I got off of work. And I would get text from Kay updates and all that. That's sort of how the Valo family was communicating. Kay would kind of say, hey, this is going on. Right.

And she would call or whatever. And it's just, it's hard to explain. Yeah. And you don't need you. But I will when I face her in court. And I'll tell her when I get to face it. the devil in the eye, and want to make the victim's impact statement,

it will be epic, and you need to be there. I'll be there. That'll happen after Brandon's trials, that right? Right. And I hope Brandon gets his justice too, because they tried to kill him. They did. They did.

You thought that you might be saying a few words yesterday, right, when the verdict came down? Wasn't that a possibility that if she didn't accept her aggravating factors? Well, Trina told us that aggravating factors that one of us would have to go up and explain the economic personal loss. That makes sense. that it was like to lose my brother and uh lorry decided not to do it and that was her right but uh i would have gone up there in the court and i would uh just smashed her you know yeah i can imagine i kept this stress ball that my uh court advocate and Nicole gave me

And I would always wind up. I'd say, Nicole, I bet I could be in her right in the head because she's 15 feet away. And she would knock my hand down. But I wasn't going to throw it out. You know. Just knowing you could. You're thrown out of court. But it was hard.

You know, the whole thing was difficult. Yeah. I mean, what was it like to lose your brother? It was a devastating blow. Charles was my big brother. He taught me everything I know pretty much. He was only a year and two months older than me, less than a year and two months.

Wow. You know, my parents were kind of busy. And we get that. Very close. I didn't realize you were that close in age. And we hung around together. We rode bikes and, you know, hunted in the woods for snakes or squirrel. And our friends boats down the bayou and camped out and be gone for two, three days.

And our parents didn't care as long as we were home Monday for school. But we just did everything together. and we even played baseball together and he taught me how to throw a ball. We played pitch and catch and there are so many things I would have to dig really deep to tell you all of them. Yeah. But he was he was my hero pretty much and I loved him. And it was, it was, uh, Lori said, It was a spear through her heart when she found out she didn't get the life insurance money.

Well, guess what? You know, he was a sledgehammer to my chest when I found out he was gone. Yeah. You're here, your big brother. Yeah. Yeah. And he had just moved back to Houston. He was at my house with JJ.

probably less than a month before he was murdered. And JJ was, he's really hyper, and he was in the dining room, rearranging my wife's China cabinet and stuff. And me and Charles were sitting there talking by ourselves. And he said, Jerry, I'm getting a divorce from Lori. and I'm living in Houston now.

We're less than 30 minutes away. We can start doing all that things we used to do when we were kids, like going fishing because I have a boat and we were going to fish and just hang out and camp and, you know, do brother things. And then it didn't happen. And was that the last time you saw him? Yes. So he was looking forward to the future, and so were you.

Right. And that was taken from him. You know, all of you are very close siblings. I've come from a big family, a lot of siblings. Everyone kind of has a role, if you know what I mean? Right. Was Charles the oldest? Was he kind of that?

He seemed like he was a caretaker a bit, or what was his role in the valid family? far as the brothers he was the leader the leader then i had sisters and my oldest sister terry thought that she was the leader but she uh a little bit hard on my other two sisters because mom was hard on him and uh it's it's a long complicated story i'm not gonna just get into that sure and most families are long complicated stories charles was the leader. He was a champion. He was the leader with me and Bobby.

From an outsider looking in, it seemed as if Charles was a natural caretaker. He took care of people, whether it was financially or, you know, emotionally or just checking in. I never asked Charles for money, but I tell you what, he,

I think, when I got out of the military and 84, 85, it was you know, the economy was pretty bad and I wasn't making it and I'd got laid off and he

said, hey, come to Dallas. Come stay with me. He had just divorced his first wife. And so I cruised up there and my old junkie ride burned up on

highway just a few miles from his house and i got there and he got me a car and he said here's money you know just go find your job you got a place to stay you have groceries you got food to eat and i'll take care of you jerry and so we uh uh stayed there for a while and then uh he took care of me very well and then uh He took care of me very well and I got a job eventually. And then he decided to move down to Austin and I went with him. And he had met his new girlfriend in Dallas, but we all moved to Austin or just south of it, a place called Bastrop. And he had this awesome girlfriend who's the girl, I might add, he should have married. Her name's Heather and I just loved her and I adored her.

She's a good Christian woman and she taught me, you know, about God and all that stuff. And an actual Christian rather than someone who thinks they're translated. No, she wasn't a translated being. She wasn't a deity. She's not a God. She was just loved God. And she always talked to us about it. And then during that time, unfortunately, they had broken up.

And he met Cheryl, his second wife. Meanwhile, he had given me, he had this dog, a boxer. Her name was Marbles. and he gave her to me. And that was the best gift I've probably ever gotten in my life besides my wife. But so Cheryl fell in love of marbles and asked me, Charles asked me if Cheryl could have marbles. And I said, of course, Charles, because it was your dog originally.

And so he gave me a replacement of a brand new little. puppy oxer dog pure bread of course charles didn't do cheap stuff and uh that was my dog and it was it was good times he was a dog lover too there's a million stories yes charles love dogs you're a dog lover you've been hanging out with lily all day um i wanted to ask you did you did you know JJ's therapy dog, Bailey? Yes. Really? What'd you think of Bailey? What was...

I love Bailey. She was there the day that Charles and JJ came to visit a month before he was killed. So you got to know, Bailey. And did you hear when Lori tried to sell Bailey? Did Kay tell you that? I did. I did. And I said, man, why do you sell a kid's therapy dog? That means he's dead. Wow.

Kay sort of, well, I don't want you to have to speak for Kay, but was that a moment, though, for the siblings when Bailey was being sold? Well, for me it was. Because I knew either she was being an awfully cruel mother. or JJ wasn't around and she didn't need Bailey and she needed some money because that was an expensive dog. Yeah. And you saw Bailey and JJ interact and it was it was a special relationship. Oh, yes, it was very special. JJ loved that dog like I love dogs, you know.

Yeah, just sort of adds to it just another heartless sort of things she did. Yeah, amongst many of them. Anything else you want to say about Bailey? No, she's a purry dog. Very poory dog. Yeah. Yeah. She was.

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Yeah. And we left it at that because I didn't pry into his business, and he didn't pry into mine. And that's just how we were. Yeah. You know. Absolutely. You know, we talked to a few jurors yesterday after the verdict.

And one of them mentioned that there were a couple that needed a little bit more time to look at the evidence. Everyone in the end came to the conclusion that Lori was guilty of conspiring to kill your brother. But that she stated that when they looked at you and Kay and Susan, when they looked at the family in the front row, as I said, guilty. She knew in that moment that they made the right choice and that they were so glad because y'all looked relieved. I couldn't see you.

You guys are in the front row, and so you're in front of the media sitting in the back. What was going through your mind? Like my little brother says, hallelujah. You know, thank you, Jesus. It was a perfect

just I was elated, but I couldn't jump up and down and scream and holler and yeah, you know. And I think the, probably the smile of my face said it all. And I reached over and I grabbed my sister's hands and we held hands and we knew. So. Do you feel them? It's been six years. Do you feel a wait off of you? Does this feel like closing some sort of chapter,

or is it just sort of a next step? I don't think it will never be closed or ever be closed. But for me, when I face Lori in court and make my victim impact statement, and I look for any eye, and tell her what I got to say, then it will be over. I will have closure. It's done.

It's over. Move on. How long you've been thinking about what you want to say to her? Do you know what you're going to say to her? A long time, and I do know, but I will speak from my heart. I'm not going to write anything down. And I've gone over many scenarios in my head. But you will hear it when you're there.

there because I'll be there. I just. I will say what I say because I can't write things down because I will change. I mean, it's just, you know, I'll just say what I say when I'm up there looking at her and I. And that's what I'll say. You never had a good feeling about her. She became your sister-in-law. You never knew her too well.

But did you ever think she was capable? of such a thing. I never thought about it, really. Right. I mean, you know, who's capable of murder, you know, and people that murder are just, I don't know, sick. Because you don't kill people, no matter what, unless they're a baby raper or mother's dad. her father rape or something you know you don't kill people for money like she did you just you don't kill what do you think of the motives what do you think of these religious beliefs

do you think she believes this do you think this is just a purely greedy money hungry woman do you think there's some bizarre beliefs in the cult like what are your thoughts on She killed him for money and she didn't want Kate take care of JJ or Dally. She wanted to be free and run around with this cult that thinks that they're not people. They're above God. Right. Translated. Yeah, translated.

However you want to put it. God's and goddesses, yeah. And it sickens me to think that people can go so deep into religion that they think that they can be higher than God, the creator of the universe, you know? Yeah. What has it felt like the last six years? Can you take us through, you'd say that Kay would reach out and say, this is happening, whatever's happening. To know that she was not only capable of doing this to your brother, but also JJ and Tiley, Tammy Debel, Brandon. How has this just been processed in the past six years?

You've gone from not thinking she was capable of this or, as you say, not even thinking about it, right? Like, it doesn't crush your mind to today. I have this uncanny ability to repress my thoughts. And so I just didn't really think about it. I just pushed it away. You know, and that's how I dealt with that. You dealt with it at all? Or are you still kind of just in that place?

I tell myself I've dealt with it. But, you know, for last week at the trial I've had, it's been on my mind. And I know that I haven't dealt with it. And my wife will probably tell you that, too. Melanie? Yes, Melanie, my dear sweet wife. She's wonderful.

And she's excellent. I can't believe she married me. But it's, like I said, I just hold my thoughts in, hold my emotions. then, but I think that when I unleash on her at the impact statement, that you're going to see a man cry like a little girl. And then it will be over for me. Hopefully. That's sort of like, that's really what you're waiting for to really deal with everything you've been dealing with that moment. You're waiting for that moment. I want to look right now.

and I'm going to make her look at me. You know, Lauren, it's, she's got to look at me. She does. When they were adopting JJ, you know, it was,

what were you thinking? Were you thinking this is, you know, JJ was your, JJ would have been your great nephew? Great nephew. Great nephew. Sure you wanted him to go to a good home.

You probably was this, probably thought, this is great Charles will be a great father. I thought it was a great thing. Yeah. I was happy as hell. Really was. You know, Kay and Larry were very busy with their business and they would have made arrangements to raise JJ. But Charles stepped in and said, hey, let us take him. He had the means and the love and all that. And it was a good thing. Yeah, right. It's heartbreaking. How do you feel about you've seen the body can put it as if Charles seeking help, right?

Yes. They haven't played that in court, but you've seen it. What does it feel like when you watch that, seeing your brother asking for help and not really receiving any either? Well, there's a fan line there, but I don't know. understand he was begging for help actually. Yeah. And, you know, the police department can only do so much, but there's really nothing that I know of out there where a man can go to get help outside of police department.

Like women have shelters and all this stuff, but men don't have that. right and uh so he talked to the police hoping they could do something but they didn't do shit so excuse me no they didn't uh and it just you know seeing that video just angers me because charles was such a uh you know a smart healthy fit guy and He didn't know what to do. He just loved her and he was scared. People get that way. Yeah, he did his best.

And he didn't just go to police. He then went to religious leaders. He spoke to Lori's friends. He tried to get Adam to help him do an intervention. He tried really hard. He did. And it's just. I can't say enough about that video.

I just can't. It hurts my heart to see it. It does. Do you know why the jury didn't see that or why they didn't show that evidence in court? I mean, in the end, it's okay. We got justice, but I was surprised that. Because they said it was hearsay.

Because he's dead because he was murdered. Well, when you when you call the police you can tell them anything lorry was doing this and that but you know he could have said jack and jill did that so it's it's considered hearsay and that's why they couldn't show it in my opinion no i think you're right thanks for court's opinion. Thanks for explaining that. What did you think of Lori representing herself? What's that old saying? Every fool.

An attorney represents himself as a fool for a client. Right. I probably but you're that same too. She was horrible. She was bad. Yeah. That had been difficult to watch, though, like every day. Like hearing her. I wanted to throw something at her, but, you know.

Right. You didn't. I wanted to, and I had it in my hand, but I didn't do it. Yeah. Yeah, I can't fathom what it would be like to listen to her, try to argue a family tragedy. It was sickening. It really was sickened.

Family tragedy, right. Bitch, you fucking, oh, excuse me, you killed him. So. You're right. Hey, you know what? Your anger's justified. She did that. But I'm not angry.

I don't, well, I can't say that. but so I'll leave it at that. Yeah, we don't have to go there. You can, we'll listen to your victim impact statement. Yeah, it'll be epic. I'll be there for it. What did you think about how the court presented everything? Was there any new evidence that you didn't know about?

Or did you, did you know it all? Well, I never saw close up some Charles' bullet wounds. and that was hard to see. Matter of fact, I think I looked down because I know what a 45 caliber bullet can do to your chest, and then when you're laid on the floor, get shot in the stomach.

And so it's, it wasn't real nice to see. I didn't like it at all. I did notice that, too, again, for those that aren't in the courtroom, You understand where I was, but the media was behind you. You're in front, too. We couldn't always see your faces if you looked to the side.

The screens were on the sides, right? So you looked to the side. So I could see, and I did very often during those graphic photos of your brother. I saw you would look down or Kay would look down or Susan would look down. But you did look up sometimes. You saw those. That would have been hard to see those. Melanie told me.

She said, yeah, I saw you. I can see the back of your ball to it. I was like, okay, yeah, that was me. But, you know, it, uh, geez, you know, it just wouldn't put it. I didn't like it. Yeah. Um, and this might be too much to ask forgive me, but I've still a little bit confused as to the wounds on his knees a little bit. Do you think there was a scuffle in there?

Well, contrary to TV and popular belief. when you're shot in the chest, it doesn't throw you against the wall backwards. It just goes through you, and he fell to his knees, put his hand to his chest, and fell backwards, and that's when he laid down.

And that's when he was dying. He wasn't dead. When he was shot again, and it traveled through his body and came out of his shoulder. What are that second shot? That second shot is

sick. Well, the first shot probably killed him and he was dying, but he wasn't dead. And the second shot was a guaranteed shot that he would be dead

because it traveled through his lungs and all that. And those maybe two minutes that he was alive. He's probably thinking, you fucking bitch. He was probably also praying to God take me into your kingdom

because that was Charles. He was a believer. He was a Christian. He was a believer. Yes, he was. Um, do you, the second shot, you know, it was cruel. Like, it was so unnecessary. I agree with Trina when she says he was executed. You know, that's what that is. Do you have thoughts about what happened?

Do you think that he went in there and Lori did grab his phone and started scuffle? Or do you think he just walked in and something happened? Or do you not want to talk about what you think? Nobody knows, but. The theory is that he walked in and Lori took his phone or whatever, or he walked in, Alex shot him in the chest, then he hit the floor on his knees and fell backwards, and neither Alex or Lori shot him again in the stomach and it traveled through him.

Then she takes his phone and his wallet and go. and leaves. Yeah. You know, go to Burger King and get some new flip-flops and, you know, I just, nobody really knows, but,

you know, if there would have been a better investigation, I think we would know. We'd have a better idea, right? Yes. Angry that they didn't arrest Alex that day? Yeah, they should have when they rolled Charles over and saw the second wound and a hole in the

forward they should have known he was shot while on the floor that's not self-defense it's they should have grabbed Alex's ass right in and there and arrested him great I agree I agree he was the last line of defense I think Tiley and JJ too you know yeah and I hope they didn't see that. I hope they were in the car. I hope so. They didn't see it. I hope so too. What? You know, we were hanging out last

night, you and I, okay? Had a good time. Yeah. Yeah. What? You know, we're listening. Your voice is being heard. What do you want to say? It's a terrible tragedy all the way

around. And there's a simple thing. It's called divorce. You don't have to kill. You can just leave and run away, go away, whatever. I don't know. It's a horrible thing that happened. It's going to have a long-term effect on everybody involved. It wasn't just me. It was, you know, the Daybell family and my sisters. and my other brother and, you know, even my friends and Charles's friends and everybody that will be affected by it. And it's, you know, I pray for all of them. You know, I pray for the healing of everyone, especially Kay and Susan.

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I mean, I couldn't be up in Boise all the time seeing that trial. I was there a few times. But this one, I missed one week because I had to go to work. back to work and uh but it it was good for me in the sense that it helped me to see what happened to see how trina presented the case and uh she was very effective and you know it's it was good for me to see it helps me to heal i agree by the way i thought she did an excellent job She's a badass. She is.

Trina Kay, I tell you. She did that whole thing by herself. Like she, she argued everything. I thought she really drove home those last words when, you know, Lori gave her closing arguments

and she was able to do a rebuttal. And she said, this woman cried. This was the part John liked. He thought he thought she did such a good job. This woman cried. during opening statements, but she didn't cry when the day her husband was murdered. Correct.

And she is a, in my opinion, a malignant narcissist and pretty much a horror of Satan, if you ask me. And, you know, I don't have much else to say about that. Yeah. Jerry, another question for you. When family is faced with crime, it's not something they expect. They're thrown into the limelight and to the media. Like, they're dealing with the family tragedy while the YouTubers and podcasters, we included and media are asking for you to talk to us and for you to talk to us and for you to,

explain what's going on. And there's a publicity and a spotlight that goes in your family that nobody really ever wants to happen. So it's like while people are going through this tragedy, they have a spotlight shining on their family, people asking questions. Do you have any advice for, I don't want to ask advice, but what was that like? And was that hard? And what do you wish you could have known

or what do you wish could have been different? I were a publicity agent because I got pounded. When this first happened, there were podcasters, news journalists, TV stations, whom are around the world, and somehow they can find you with the internet nowadays. And I got pounded, I think, the first few months after Charles, or after JJ and Tiley were missing

and then found dead, then Charles Murder and Tammy and all that. I had like, I think 12,000 Facebook. friend request. Wow. You know, and I it took me days to delete it and I'm not on Facebook that much, but it's just crazy. They found my phone number. I got phone calls. I got e-bails. I got text. And it was, you know, it was hard to deal with, but there were only only a few people I found that I could talk to when I'm with you, Lauren, and there were only two more, and that's it. And that's

who I stayed with, and that's who I'm staying with. Yeah. So. Yeah. It's just become, it's just, yeah, it's just become even harder, I think, for families to be thrown into crime with all the media. I'm on that other side. So I always want to ask and understand what that was like.

I'm sorry. You're always welcome. So. Thank you. Thank you. No, thanks for doing this interview. You know, you know you didn't have to. And I'm grateful.

Well, it was my pleasure. A lot of people been wanting to hear from you. you know um and i've been shy of the cameras but when i walked out of court yesterday and just walked into a bank cameras and started talking i found out i'm not shy of cameras anymore you know i'm just not yeah i'll talk to you think charles would have been proud oh yeah you know charles was always proud of me why was you your hero you said he was your hero yeah because he was a good guy and he taught me a lot taught me how to be a gentleman and, you know, a few other things that I told you last night, but I won't say here.

Yeah. He's a good brother, good man. Very good brother. Very good man. Yeah. It hurts me that he's not here. I'm glad you got justice. Is there anything else you want to say?

I think I'm done, Lauren. Okay. Thanks for being here. Thank you. Thank you. Gary Bauerh. Justice, they got the bitch.

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