Hidden True Crime - GILGO BEACH SERIAL KILLER: "I went on a date with Rex Heuermann" An Interview with Nikkie Brass
Episode Date: July 20, 2023Nikki Brass says went on a date with the alleged LISK, or Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Rex Heuermann and says it's a date she will never forget. She shares never heard before details with Hidden True Cri...me's Lauren Matthias. LAUREN MATTHIAS worked as an anchor and reporter for ABC, NBC, and FOX News in Boise, Idaho and Salt Lake City, Utah. She spent a decade reporting on a diverse range of topics from high profile crimes and criminals to Presidential visits. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah and in 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award and is a continuing contributor with News Nation. She is the producer and editor of the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist. Contact them at HiddenTrueCrimeInfo@gmail.com Our interviewee's opinions are their own and not that of Hidden True Crime. WEBSITE: https://hiddentruecrime.com/ TO SUPPORT: https://www.patreon.com/hiddentruecrime https://paypal.me/hiddentruecrime https://cash.app/$hiddenTruecrime Our Sponsors:* Check out Acorns: https://acorns.com/HIDDENTRUECRIME* Check out Acorns: https://acorns.com/HIDDENTRUECRIME* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: https://www.armoire.style* Check out Effecty and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: https://www.effecty.com* Check out Happy Mammoth and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: https://happymammoth.comSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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here. You have such an important story and also an important message. And we're going to talk to you
today about your experience going out with the Long Island serial killer. Nikki is now a stylist.
She is a mother. She is a stylist. You've come a long way in your life. But tell us, take us back about
10 years ago or the year it was when you got to know the you got to you got to, you got to
to know the LISC, the Gilgo Beach serial killer. Rex.
So I'm almost positive. It was 2015. And I, at the time, was in active addiction and not really
thinking about my safety or well-being. And I was on some fairly sketchy websites. And he was
one of the guys that messaged me to meet. Initially, he wanted me to meet him in NASA County,
and I'm pretty sure directly where he wanted us to go. But I didn't feel comfortable,
and I never would, even for, like, you know, a Tinder date. I would never meet somebody, like,
at a hotel or out my house. So I asked him if he would meet me in Port Jeff because I was familiar
with the area, and I felt safe over there, and I knew people. So if I needed somebody, they were close by.
And we agreed.
So we went to the steam house, what is it, the steamhouse and had dinner and drinks.
Did you meet at the restaurant or?
Yeah.
Yeah, we met directly at the restaurant.
Okay.
Rex Hewerman is who we were talking about.
I referred to him as the alleged Long Island serial killer.
He is charged in, he is charged in three victims.
desk. And so this is a dinner and drinks with him. And you met him on a sketchy website. Is this
sort of like Tinder, but sketchier? Or sketchier? I used to see sites like like back pages,
escrow alligator, seeking like a lot of it's, it's, they put it in the guise of like finding
a sugar daddy or a rich older guy to date and be with. But I feel like it isn't quite that.
you know what I mean sure and this is this is 10 years ago you were in you were much younger you were in a
very vulnerable situation in your life and um and so you and so you chose to go out with them but you
still took these safety precautions yeah i even beforehand showed my little me and my little sister
at chucky cheese and i showed her a picture of him on my phone and i was like listen this is who
i'm going to be with tonight in case anything happens and i always did that sometimes i would
even send her their license plates if I was going to get in a car just so she knew like someone
knew. And yeah, so I showed her his picture, everything. I set up date and I met him there.
He's seen honestly. Did he use his real name and did he use his real photo?
No, on the websites, he didn't use his real name and you don't have to have a photo. You can
give private access for only certain people if you let's see a picture of you. I had it. I asked him for a
picture and said, like, can you send a picture so I know who I'm looking for? And he sent a picture.
I don't know. We were on one of those apps, like WhatsApp, or one of the ones where you generate
fake phone numbers. And at that time, fake names. It wasn't until we met in person. And I said,
hey, like, nice to meet you. My real name is Nikki. And he did say Rex, but he didn't give me his last
name or anything. And he also said he was divorced with kids, not married, which,
I would expect, you know, like, sure.
And then, yeah, he seemed pretty normal when I first sat down with him.
At first, I wasn't, I thought, oh, maybe my gut was just wrong.
He seemed fine.
So I, um, when we sat down, we talked about, like, basic stuff.
He said, like, he was an architect and what he did for a living and this and that.
And then talked to me about what I want to do for a living, basic, like, little chichette.
And then he asked me if I had, if I had an interest in true crime.
And I actually do.
Like I'm, I'm, I'm, I know about every Syria filler.
So like, and then he said, well, do you know about the Gilgo Beach murders?
He asked you this.
Yeah.
He brought it up and asked me.
And I was like, yeah.
I was like, I think everybody from Long Island knows about the Gilgo murders.
Like, we're all following it.
We're from here.
Especially girls who work in that industry.
Like, they're, they have to take extra precaution and know.
So he asked me if I knew.
about them. And then he started
talking about
you know, the case
so far.
Thing was, like, when he talked about it,
it was weird. And that's what, like,
gave me a bad gut feeling and made me want to get out of
there was, like, he didn't talk about it
like a true crime fan would
or, like, somebody who
had, you know, was really into
the case. It, like, almost
seemed like, as he talked about it, he was, like,
mentally reliving it and, like,
enjoying it. You know,
Can you remember anything specific that he said? Yeah. I mean, I didn't talk to the cops yet. So certain stuff, I'm like nervous to say in case it wasn't, you know, said anywhere else. But he, so like one thing I remember specifically was when he talked about it, he said, I said, well, who do you think did it? And obviously he's not going to say me. So,
he was like, oh, you know, he's like, it could be Bissett, the guy that the aquarium owner.
And I feel like he said that in retrospect, I feel like he said that because the sacks that the
bodies were in, the burlap sacks were traceable to Bissett's nursery farm, like nursery that he
owned.
And I feel like he said, he said that because he knew Bissett would be a suspect when they found
the burlap sacks.
Wow.
So I feel like that's why he mentioned him as like a hypothetical who is.
it could be. And what weirded me out the most was that he's saying all this and being real creepy
about it and then says like, oh, I live right by Gilgo Beach. Do you think he was trying to
intimidate you or mislead you? What do you think his intention was? I feel like he wanted to brag about
what he had done, but couldn't, but knew with girls like me who were vulnerable and addicted to drugs
and not likely to be believed that he could almost brag in his own way.
You know, like, I feel like he, I feel like he wanted to talk about it.
He wanted to be able to tell people.
He wanted to be able to brag and get the attention.
Like he was getting a bit of a high from Sherry.
Yeah, like he seemed, I tell people it seemed like he had like a mental orgasm talking about it.
Like his body language changed.
He seemed like too excited to be.
like talking about the victims and it didn't seem like someone who felt bad for the victims.
It almost seemed like he kind of thought of them as expendable people, people that didn't really
matter. And maybe that's how he saw you too? Probably. I think so because I feel like he talked about
it. And then when it was coming to an end, he wanted me to go with him. And I was like I had a really bad
feeling like my gut was telling me i needed to like leave like i you know you know when you could give a code to
the bartender and they'll get you out there safely it was like that bad of a feeling but i didn't like go
to them i waited and i was like well you know it's really late and i'd have to follow you and you live
all the way in nassah and he was like oh no no like i wouldn't want you to follow me you'd get in the
car with me and i was like i don't want to look at my car in a random parking lot and poor jeff
And he was like, he's like, no, I definitely, I would want you to come with me in my car.
Like, he's like, your car will be fine.
Like, he really insisted on the fact that I didn't take my car.
And now I think about it.
I'm like, he probably didn't want to be on traffic cameras, having to ditch a car after
killing somebody.
Wow.
Like he was thinking through.
He was thinking through.
Yeah.
So I ended up being like, no, no, thank you.
And I called a friend and had to meet me in the parking lot to make sure.
I got home safe because I just was really nervous after that.
To say the least.
And what was weird was after like insisting I get in the car alone with him and insisting
when I go back with him after talking about all that, that was when he said that he lives
by the beach, which like freaked me out even more.
Like you're trying to get me to go alone with you.
The way you talked about the killings was very weird.
Um, and yeah, he just, I don't even know how to describe it. It was just, I could tell, like, I knew. I just knew.
He would have been, he would have been in his 40s. I was in my early 20s. Your early 20s.
Um, go ahead. Yeah. And he's a really, he's a really big dude. Like, he is tall and big. So like, he is easily capable of like, taking out small, small, small women.
Like at the time I was like 120 pounds and five foot four.
So was his size intimidating to you?
Yes.
Yeah, he's like, very intimidating.
He's a big guy.
Yeah.
But of course.
Very normal until he talked about it.
That's when he started seeming weird.
Like he seemed like he like really badly wanted to be able to be like, this is exactly what happened.
Like he tried, he tried to bring up like why.
the sacks were good to use and like just weird things that like you don't talk about when
you're just talking about true crime and the victims like details that like and then he was like
he's like how do you think he's like how do you think they got the bodies there without being
noticed and like weird stuff like that and there's something he said that I haven't seen in the
newspapers anywhere so I do want to leave that for a detective plus but
But he said something that I haven't seen anywhere.
I'm wondering if it's true about him.
I feel like it would be relevant to how he got the body's there without being noticed.
I mean, I know that you're going to talk to police soon, and that's the plan.
But he implied, in other words, he gave a hint as to how he
how he said
without detection
without detection is that what you're saying?
Yeah like he I know he did talk about like how it's dark and desolate in a small
private area and they don't really have police patrol over there and stuff like that
but um he said something about the marshes and just something that I haven't seen and I don't
know if he owns this or in something and I don't want to say anything until I tell please
but I do think that he was trying to talk about it and tell me about what he did without being like,
oh, I did this, this was me.
But he seemed like he, I feel like like, you know when somebody, you know the way other serial
killers talk about the victims when they've killed sex workers, almost like they're expendable
and don't matter and they don't have family or people that are looking for them?
Yeah, dehumanizing.
Yeah.
It seemed like he didn't kill.
very like kind of dehumanize the victims.
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Cared about if anyone knew, you know, like, it was almost like you talked to you to see, like,
I don't know.
I don't know how to explain this.
Like, he said it in a way, like, had I gone to the police, I feel like they'd be like,
so you sat down with a guy at dinner and he told you, he said it in a way.
He liked true crime and brought up Gilgo and that makes you think he's a killer.
Like, he tried to make it sound like if I had gone to the cops, it just looked stupid.
And he knew that, in other words.
Yeah, I feel like he knew that.
I mean, like, if you look me up, you could very easily see, like, that I got in trouble one time.
And I did time for it.
And I was on pool at the time.
So, like, I think he went for women that he knew we're not going to have police contact and weren't going to say anything.
and he also went for people that he thought nobody would care about or look for.
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Was he, so, I mean, so in my opinion, what he's telling you is quite intimidating.
As you point out, he was getting the high off of it, but it all sounds like he was trying
to intimidate you.
Did he use his, other people have mentioned him using his size as an intimidation factor
too?
You said he seemed normal.
He's a businessman.
He says he's an architect.
He's a family guy.
He's big.
No, but I said this not as is intimidating.
So when I didn't want to get in the car with him, he got very agitated.
And that was what bothered me was like when I met him initially too, he came up.
And it feels like he almost like is very like tries to use their size and look big and make you like feel that like giant presence near you.
Yeah, like sort of like just overbearing intimidation physically as well.
Yeah, like, just a, he didn't when I was leaving. Stop me or do anything weird because we're in public.
But, like, you could see he was visually agitated and, like, like, almost like, I did all this work and drove out here, and I'm not even going to get what I wanted to do.
I just don't know how to explain, like, there's a difference between, like, talking about a true crime and sitting there and reliving it, like, your eyes glossing over and, like, trying to hide a smile.
and dehumanizing the victims
and I'm trying to like talk about like what do you think happened
what do you think about this?
What do you think about that?
How do you think they did this?
He just really wanted to be able to keep that conversation going
and keep talking about it.
Did you try to change the subject?
Are you more so just kind of observing and listening thinking
should I be with this guy?
Should I know?
I was listening because I wanted to know if he said anything
then I didn't hear on the news.
If he said anything weird, that would make me a,
uncomfortable. And I feel like I remember at the time he brought up, I don't know if it was on the news
yet. So I at the time was an active addiction. I wasn't really following it anymore or reading
papers or you know what I mean. When you're in that point, you don't really care about that kind of
stuff. Sure. And I remember him mentioning a girl from Jersey and I felt like I hadn't heard about
her yet. And that was part of what made me uncomfortable was he was like, what about that girl from
Jersey that I'm missing? I think it's connected. Wow. You know, there was another woman who knew him in a net from a
networking group and she stated that he mentioned up to 10 victims. Did he did he mention a number at all or
just throw in that by the way. Yeah, he said 10. I thought everyone knew it was 10. No. He's only been charged with
three victims right now.
Melissa, Megan and Amber.
He said there's 10 victims, including a toddler or baby.
He did mention the toddler.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He said, he said, I'm about the 10 victims.
And then he's pretty sure there was a child, too.
He's like, don't quote me.
I'm not sure if I'm right about this.
But he was like, I'm pretty sure there's like 10 victims now.
I know there was a child found.
Wow.
What really got me, though, was the part where he asked about how you would get the bodies there without being noticed.
And that part really weirded me out.
And he mentioned Marshes.
Can you expand?
I know you're going to talk to police, but could you?
We believe you.
We're listening to you.
We believe you.
I just don't know if, like, I don't know if the cops need to know it first and see, like, check it out and see if it's true or if it.
is just like him trying to kind of make it seem like he doesn't actually know, you know?
In other words, you want to respect the integrity of the investigation.
Yeah.
Like I want to, I want them to be able to look into it and see if what he said is a way of possibly actually getting rid of those bodies.
Okay, I respect that.
And you do plan.
I want everyone to know that, that Nikki does plan to speak to police and she will be.
Yeah.
I didn't initially because honestly it's not like the 200 people that see my videos normally
would see it and that would be it. And, you know, I didn't think cops would believe me.
But we've vetted you, journalists have vetted you.
Yeah. I've had so many people for years that I've told this to that when it finally happened,
everybody was like, oh my God, she wasn't crazy. You're making it up.
Yeah, tell us about after. So you had this.
this day. And so after that, I honestly was scared of even doing it again. I kind of slowly decided
I needed to get my shit together at that point. So it helped you in other words. Yeah, I was
I was like terrified. He was scary. Like I thought he was so big. I thought that like if I left
and didn't have somebody in the parking lot that he would have snatched me up or something. Like I had
such a bad feeling with him. And I've never had that before. Like it was like eerie. Like I was like,
I knew I knew not to go with this man anywhere.
So you didn't even go in the parking lot with him?
I'm pretty sure we walked out around the same time.
I'm almost positive.
But he saw that I had a friend in their car waiting for me and I waved.
And so I don't think at that point, I'm pretty sure he either hugged me or shook my hand
and said, nice meeting you and left.
But when he hugged me or shook my hand, I know he was again still visually.
agitated that I wasn't going with him. Like he made his annoyance known. If that makes sense.
It does make sense. It makes absolute sense. My husband is a psychologist and we will be
further assessing and discussing him and it makes absolute sense. The vibe I got off him was somebody
who, if they could, would have been calling those families every day talking about it or sending them
letters or harassing them. He'd be the one who wants to write a letter of the cops acting like he
didn't get caught. Like he just seemed like somebody who wanted to brag and wanted to talk about it,
wanted the infamy, but also didn't. Like he just liked the chase. He's like that no one knew it was
him and he liked that he could he could talk about it openly and not get caught without openly
talking about it. Like I feel like he was just, I feel like he's that kind of person, like the person that
if he wanted to, like, he'd be the type to call a family and be like, yeah, I killed her.
Like, he, if he could say that without getting in trouble. Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, like taunting the police almost, taunting a bit, almost like, you guys don't know who I am and this is.
To him, it seemed like a very, like, in my mind, I feel like to him it was like a game, but that he got like a, you know, like.
A thrill.
Yeah, a thrill.
Is that a good way to explain it?
Yeah.
I feel like it was an escape from a life you didn't want.
Interesting.
But everything else checked out, like he just seemed like a businessman, family man, kind of, do you feel?
Yeah, but he seemed like a business and family man that wasn't really happy with his family life and general life.
Like, he found it very boring.
Did he mention his kids at all?
I think he said he had a kid.
were kids. I'm not sure, but I know he had a kid or kids, but he said he was divorced.
Which usually at that time, I assume they all say that. Most of them are probably married.
Do you know what I mean? Right. I feel like it's just because I don't want girls and I know there's
girls that are young and stupid out there. And I know there's women who are in position at her
that are so desperate right now to have a fix or to get the money they need to take care of their family.
whatever it is, that they're willing to put themselves in that situation.
Like, you don't know who you're sitting across from.
Like, you could be sitting directly across from a serial killer.
And a lot of these women are so desperate to be able to take care of their families or their
addiction or whatever it is that they'll ignore their best interest in the gut feeling
and they'll meet the guy directly at a hotel room or at their house and end up sexually assaulted
or just in a really bad position.
And I want women to, like, try to stay away from that and find an ulterior.
If you got in the car with him, do you feel like you'd be here today?
No.
I didn't.
I know.
I definitely not.
Yeah.
It was so weird, though, to say you live by Yulgo Beach after talking about it all.
I'm, like, just so weird.
It's so weird.
And I remember him, like, so vividly.
Like, for whatever reason, he was, like, the only date I've ever had that ever made me feel like that.
The only date I ever went on where I knew I needed to leave immediately.
Like, I've never had that feeling any other time before that.
You guys had dinner and drinks.
Was he trying to give you additional drinks or extra drinks of any sort?
I don't drink.
I used to, like, just to be polite at, like, a Malibu rum or other.
a drink, but like I don't really drink. So you can't convince me to. Like you try all you want.
I'm like, no, I smoke. That's it. Sorry. So you weren't drinking. No, he did. He did offer drinks
and he was drinking. And he asked like, you know, if I wanted anything, do I want more than a soda?
Kind of like, he kind of found it funny than I just wanted soda and didn't want to get drunk.
Yeah. You didn't get in the car and you're here today. Tell us a little bit about your life now 10 years later.
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Congratulations on your life now and where you are now.
I feel like a lot of times, and you mentioned that Rex did this, that he dehumanized the victims a bit and perhaps was even dehumanizing you, finding vulnerable women in vulnerable situations.
You know, Megan and Melissa and Amber, and it sounds like there are likely more victims.
They were so much more than a escort or a sex worker.
Is there anything you want to explain to people about a lot of victim blaming I've been hearing when it comes to these victims?
Anything you want to share there?
Yeah.
I feel like even when I came forward, it was automatically like former escort or escort or sex worker.
And that's why women don't come forward.
I bet you there's a lot of women that were in a lot more dangerous of a situation with him.
and we're lucky to get away that won't come forward because they automatically dehumanize you
and turn you into this frowned upon situation and don't include background or relevancy or why you
are in that situation.
It kind of, it makes it where no one is going to, especially women who are vulnerable.
And like most, especially like now, like it's 10 years later for me, I have a different career.
most people now wouldn't come forward at the sake of ruining their career or, you know what I mean?
Because they don't want anyone to know that that's what they used to do.
I think that's a really important message.
Thank you that we need to not judge women, not judge victims, the victim blaming,
and to see that it's just so important to make sure we understand that people are so much more than an occupation or a past occupation.
Thank you for sharing that.
And that that is a reason women don't come forward or victims come forward with information
because they don't think they're going to be believed or they're going to be dismissed because of a past.
Or the media wants this, you know, sensation aligns it.
So the title's got to be good.
So it's former escort or sex worker instead of like.
That happened to you this morning, right?
Your first interview?
Yeah.
And like I made it clear to them.
I get this has been 10 years.
I'm a stylist now.
I don't want, like, to tarnish that.
So I need a clear that that's what I do know.
Like, if you're going to put former escort anywhere,
put now Long Island stylist next to it.
So that way at least it shows there's, you know,
it doesn't make it seem, I don't know.
I don't like the way they put it.
I feel like it was very.
I get it.
Thank you.
You're a businesswoman, your career woman,
you're a mother of four.
You're so much more than a past position you were in that made you very vulnerable.
And I feel like my story, people should know so they understand, like, why women end up in that position.
Because, like, I was really young. I was only 21. And, like, I was in college at 3.9 GPA.
I was in a sorority. I did community service. And I ended up getting hooked on opiates from a doctor,
prescribing them. And then I ended up when he got arrested, moving to heroin. And when I got arrested,
they decided for possession, they decided to make an example out of me. And they would have
high school classes come watch when I had court dates. And yeah, and they tried to give me like a
be felony initially for an amount that now wouldn't even probably be a felony.
Like, it would probably be the lowest.
Wow.
Yeah.
Like really like, like really.
Yeah.
And they ended up, uh, the judge was like, I'm either going to give you 10 years or
you take the, uh, the three year flat plea deal.
And that's it.
I'm giving me one offer.
And he's like, after that, it's only 10 years.
And he was being like super hard about something that like, I ended up.
up pleading down to the lowest felony, which is like one above a misdemeanor. And he still sent me
in prison for years. When I really, all I needed was like help. Like there being counseling and help.
And yeah, so they sent me to prison for three years. And I was young. And then I had to come out to
absolutely nothing, having a felony, having no career skills, not being able to get back into college.
should you graduate because they have a question,
are you a felon on it?
And then you have to go into the felony
and you have to get a felony waiver
and then you have to get approved
and they make it a nightmare to go back.
So like for years,
I would apply places
and have a great interview
and then they do a background check
and see I had a direct possession charge
and went to prison on it
and they would automatically not call me.
And I waited like 10 years
for it to not show up on my record
to be able to go back to school
and get my styling,
license and start to do something different.
But yeah, thank you for sharing that.
2020 basically to just be able to go to school and do what I had to do because it followed
me everywhere for that decade.
The pandemic was a blessing to you.
You know, thank you for sharing that story because you're absolutely right.
There's a reason that men and women get into certain situations.
There's always a backstory.
There's always.
Here's the thing. When it comes to my felony, I would never say I wasn't guilty. I was an addict and I wasn't possession of it.
What you said, you needed counseling, you needed help, you needed rehab, and instead the situation became worse.
Yeah, it became, and you know what's worse is like you do all that time and then you come out and you're on parole.
I feel like a big part of parole and pre-reveation sits you up for failure.
Like I got in a car accident. I never had a dirty urine. I never violated.
never did anything wrong, never miss curfew. I did everything they said. I was pregnant and got
hit from behind and was not responsible for the accident. And the judge still violated me for
police contact. I'm so sorry. So like I had I got I had a really like it was hard. You've worked
harder than most to get to where you are today. Congratulations on on on on the
life you've created.
Thanks.
I'm really impressed.
Really, I mean that.
And thank you for coming forward and sharing this, your story.
I just want to end after this date, you told people that you thought you'd gone out with
the Gilgo Beach serial killer.
I told people I was positive.
I didn't even say I think.
I was like, I am, every guy dated from then until I was married.
I was like, listen, I was like, I swear to God, I went on the date with the Gilgo Beach
killer and I would tell them about it. And I told, after the words, I told my little sister,
I told so many people because I, not the cops, but I told everyone I knew because I was like,
I swear, I met him. And I was like, and it was the strangest thing when he talked about it.
And I feel like everybody kind of showed it off as like she's just telling an accentious story.
Which means that way you wouldn't go to police because why would they believe?
believe you too. You had no evidence. You just had a gut feeling, in other words.
And not like that. Like I was on, I was on parole. I was not having police contact at all.
I learned my lesson when I got a car accident and they violated me. So like I stayed away from the
cops. And you showed someone, you showed your sister, his photo even, right? Yeah, I showed her
before I went. I said this guy, I talked to this guy from Manhattan, not from Manhattan, who works
in Manhattan, something like that, because she remembers me telling her about Manhattan.
And I said, and I'm going to meet him.
And I said, this is where I'm meeting him.
This is what he looks like.
And I said, if anything, I said, I'll try to get a plate number.
But I didn't even see his car because he walked closer to the restaurant before.
Wow.
So, you did not see his car because he walked.
Oh, yeah.
So usually I would take a picture of the guy's plate, like try to be smooth about it and send it to my sister quick.
But I didn't get a chance to see his.
But she remembers me showing her the picture.
her beforehand and telling her about it.
And then when she saw him on the news, she recognized him too.
Like she knew.
What did you see when you saw his photo and his rest?
What did you feel?
Honestly, I was like, man, I dodged death like way too many times.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like if there's a multiverse, there's one in it where I went with him and didn't
come back.
Yeah.
Did he ever reach out to you again?
No, I blocked him. I never talked to him again. The fake number he used is probably fake and no reason to block it because he'd generate a different one. But no, I never talked to him again. I'm pretty sure I deactivated most of my profiles after that for a while and just stay away.
Thank you for being so generous with your time today. And we'll be in touch. Stay in touch.
Okay. Okay. Thanks, Nikki. We'll see you.
Bye.
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