Hidden True Crime - ‘He’s a Wonderful Man’ — Shari Franke DEFENDS Dad Kevin After Ruby Franke Nightmare | Jodi Hildebrandt

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

A surprise wedding photo, a fierce daughter’s defense, and a question that still makes people angry: how do you forgive the parent who didn’t protect you? After Kevin Franke quietly remarried—and Shari publicly celebrated him as “a wonderful man,” warning critics to back off—this episode revisits the Ruby Franke/Jodi Hildebrandt case through the uncomfortable aftermath, when the headlines fade and a family has to decide what healing actually looks like. Using Shari’s memoir The House of My Mother, we trace the long, quiet power imbalance that shaped Kevin’s role, how Jodi’s influence isolated and dismantled him, and why Shari’s eventual forgiveness doesn’t erase the harm—but reveals what may have happened behind closed doors: amends, rebuilding, and a new family dynamic the public can’t fully see. BEAM DREAM: Celebrate Sleep in 2026! At https://shopbeam.com/TRUECRIME Watch Kevin’s interview w/ Dr Julie Hanks: https://shorturl.at/pVZJH Read Shari’s Book: https://shorturl.at/oiU10 About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I am a dad to six wonderful kids. A few recent social media posts have caught my eye by Kevin Frankie and his daughter, Sherry. And it has made me feel like we need to revisit the Ruby Frankie and Jody Hildebrandt case with new eyes. Because sometimes the most controversial part of a true crime story isn't the arrest, the sentencing, or the, the headlines. It's what happens after. When the cameras move on and the people who lived it have to decide what comes next. Because healing doesn't look like a verdict. And forgiveness, real forgiveness, can often, let's be honest, it can look offensive from the outside to the public, especially when the person being forgiven is the parent that everyone thinks should

have protected the victims. And the victims in this case, who are defenseless, young. children. So on December 21st, 2025, Kevin Frankie, the ex-husband of Ruby Frankie, who's now behind bars, hosted a photo with a new wife, something most people didn't even know was coming. We learned he remarried on November 14th, 2025 to a woman named Becca, writing about marrying his best friend and partner and describing a happiness he didn't think was possible. But the post that really stopped me in my tracks that inspired this episode wasn't Kevin's. It was his daughter, Sherry Frankie. Because Sherry didn't just support her dad.

She defended him. She celebrated his new marriage. Like it wasn't the answered prayer of her childhood saying she could always see he wasn't happy when she was younger. and warning that any negative comments toward him on her social media post and any negative comments towards his wife would be deleted because, as she put it, we don't know the conversations or the amends of what has happened behind closed doors in this family. And it's true. We do not.

On this channel, we've spent a lot of time talking about the case of Ruby Frankie and Jody Hildebrandt, the abuse severe use of children. the control, control of an entire family, the isolation and the devastating impact that it had on Ruby and Kevin Frankie's children. But today, we're going to focus on a part of the story that's hard to talk about and for many people, even harder to accept. Because that one post says so much about where this family is now. Not because it erases what happened. Nothing could. But, because it forces a harder question. How does a daughter go from,

I needed my father and he wasn't there, to now he is a wonderful man? My name is Lauren Matthias, and this is hidden true crime. As most of us know, Ruby's oldest daughter, Sherry, released a memoir, the house of my mother, documenting what it was like growing up in a family vlogging channel.

And what happened behind the scenes after Jody Hildebrandt entered their lives. It's a great book, I recommend it. In it, she talks openly about the abuse. But she also talks about her father, Kevin Frankie, about how he was pushed out of the family, how he wasn't there when his kids needed him most, and why that absence has been one of the hardest pieces

of this story for the public to understand. Because for a lot of people, a lot of us, the question has always been the same. how does a father not protect his children? Well, toward the end of her book, Sherry Frankie reaches a place where she chooses forgiveness, a choice, again, that many in the public still struggle with, even though it isn't necessarily their story to forgive. And just recently, she shared another post about her father that gives us a glimpse

into where the family stands today. So in this episode, we're going to walk through some key moments from Sherry's book, the evolving dynamic with her father and how they've arrived at the place they're in now. Not to excuse what he did or didn't do. That's what this episode is not about. What it is about is to try to understand and explore how forgiveness can exist, even after the darkest things have happened and how some families somehow find a way to move forward. At the very beginning of Sherry's book, she takes us all the way back to where the family really began,

to how her parents met in college and what the foundation of their relationship looked like before any of us even knew their names. And what's striking is how much of what would later happen is already quietly present in those early dynamics in this family. From the start, from the very start, Sherry describes a relationship that was not built on two equally strong voices moving forward together, but on imbalance in the family, on one parent naturally stepping into control and the other naturally stepping back. Ruby, by her own nature, was intense and structured, you think. And Kevin was calmer, according to Sherry's softer, more easygoing. And while that might sound like a simple personality difference, Sherry frames it as something deeper, a dynamic where

leadership was not shared, where one person naturally took the reins and the other was comfortable letting go of the reins. Not because he was forced to, but because in many ways, that was what made the relationship work in the Frankie household. It's a dynamic that feels almost quiet and harmless in the beginning, like opposites attract, right? But in hindsight, it also helps explain how power, influence, and decision making would later become so concentrated in one place and how someone who was meant to be a protector slowly became someone who followed instead. And with that in mind, I just want to listen to how Sherry describes the way her parents were first seen and how the roles were quietly set from the very beginning. We're going to read

a few excerpts of her book in this episode. So first off, she writes, quote, he seemed so nice exuding genuine kindness. Kevin had a laid-back aura that was a balm to Ruby's intense spirit. Ruby had no interest in power struggles. After all, what she needed was someone relaxed enough to let her take the reins without too much resistance, a co-pilot, content to let her navigate their shared journey, pay the bills, and give her the children that she longed for, end quote. And so after laying that foundation, Sherry moves into what life inside the home actually looked like. Ruby wasn't just the more dominant personality. She was the center of gravity inside the household. She ran the home. She managed the kids, set the rules, enforced the structure,

and carried the emotional temperature of the family on her shoulders. The children, the children revolved around Ruby's moods, Ruby's expectations, and Ruby's reactions. Kevin, meanwhile, poured himself into his career. He was building something. He was climbing. He was climbing. He was learning, focusing on a world that moves slowly and predictable, far away from the emotional volatility of the house. And in many ways, that separation created two very different realities under the same roof. Sheary describes it like this, writing, money was very tight. But Kevin's career as a geotechnical engineer was on the rise. He was genuinely fascinated by plate to tonics and earth liquefaction, things that I don't even understand.

immerseding himself in an academic world where changes happened on a geological time scale. It was a stark contrast to the daily kitchen sink dramas that consume Ruby's psyche, the emotional meltdowns that left us all walking on eggshells, end quote. And even though Ruby was extremely strict, rigid, reactive, I would say overwhelming, often overwhelming, Sherry writes about having a deep emotional connection to her father. Even when Kevin went along with Ruby's rules, there were moments where he would catch Sherry's eye, a small look, a quiet acknowledgement, a reminder that someone saw her, understood her, and sort of felt what she was feeling, this connection, even if he didn't always step

in to change it. Sherry described that bond saying, quote, Kevin's eyes flickered to mind with a sympathetic glimmer. I'd always felt a strong kinship with him like we were shipmates, sailing stormy water side by side. There was a stoicism to him, a quiet strength that I couldn't help but admire. Kevin, he might not have been a visionary like Joseph Smith or an iconoclast, like the widow of Navu, but in his own way, he was a hero too, a man who had taken on the thinkless task of being the nice guy in our family." And so in Sherry's personal journal written when she was still just a child, we see how clearly she already understood the emotional divide between her parents.

In it, she writes, quote, or wrote back in her journal as a child, I am so mad at mom sometimes. Whenever she helps me practice piano, she promises not to yell. But by the time we are done, she's screaming at the top of her. lungs. She is so stressed, uptight, and strict that it's impossible to have fun or relax when she's around. Dad, on the other hand, is loose, easygoing, and handles stress very well. One thing's for sure, I'm a daddy's girl. You know, these moments written in Sherry's journal, they matter because they show us that Kevin wasn't emotionally absent. He wasn't pulled. He wasn't invisible. He was

actually present. He was just present quietly. And in a family that revolved around control and intensity, he became the safe place even as he continued to stay in the background. And that quiet background role would eventually become one of the most painful and complicated parts of this entire story. As Sherry continues through her story, she begins to explain how the family's world started to change slowly at first and then all at once. It started with blogging and then vlogging. An idea of Ruby picked up from her sisters and quickly realized it could be far more than just simply a hobby. What began as documenting family life slowly became something else entirely, a business, and eventually it became the family's primary source of income. For years,

Kevin's career had been the financial backbone of the household. His work supported the family, his education, his expertise, and his stability mattered. But as the channel grew, That balance shifted. The internet and Ruby's control over it created a shift in power. Sherry reflects on that change writing. Quote, I thought about dad, who's always been the intellectual powerhouse of our family,

dedicating his brilliant mind to understanding earthquakes and making the world a safer place. Yet, it was mom's newfound obsession with the internet that was finally bringing us true financial success. Point, shoot, upload, and watch the money roll. in." And while the world saw smiling thumbnails and wholesome content, Sherry was living a very

different reality behind the scenes. She writes about how being constantly online, especially while going through puberty and trying to figure out who she was became not just embarrassing, but deeply depressing, because she knew the version of their family that existed on the internet was not the same family that existed inside their home. Anything that made her or her siblings happy, sad, sick, embarrassed, it all became content. Anything private became public. And while the control Ruby exercise in real life wasn't always visible on screen at first, it was always there. Ruby's discipline, while always harsh, became harsher. At one point, Sherry was forced to change school simply for having a Snapchat account and talking to a boy her parents didn't approve up. And as her world

continued to shrink, Sherry's mental health began to unravel. Once again, it was Kevin who stepped in. In one heartbreaking passage of the book, Sherry writes, Immediately after the class, I texted Kevin, Dad, I'm depressed. I don't know if I want to live anymore. He responds, Thank you for telling me, he wrote back immediately.

We're going to get through this together. He even shared a link to an inspiring talk that he thought might help. Dad's quick response and a wave of relief washing over me. And for the first time in what felt like forever, I didn't feel so alone. Sure, an inspiring talk wasn't going to fix everything. But knowing that he was there, ready to listen and help, that was everything to me in that moment. But as I walked home from school, my relief curdled into dread. Dad would tell Ruby. Of course he would. They always shared everything united in their parental front, end quote. So when Kevin got home from work, he did something that mattered.

He asked if Sherry might want to try therapy. Sherry writes, my heart leapt at the suggestion, a lifeline. Yes, I whispered nodding emphatically. With a gentle hand on my shoulder, Kevin guided me inside the conversation that followed when exactly as I had feared. Ruby listened, but never truly understood. Her eyes glazing over with dismissal. therapy? She scoffed, waving her hand. Don't be ridiculous. You just need to sleep better,

exercise more, and eat right. But Kevin surprised me. No, he said firmly. We should let her see a therapist. This is serious, Ruby. Ruby's face flickered with shock, then hardened into a stubborn resistance, but Kevin stood his ground, a quiet determination in his eyes that I had rarely seen before. I retreated to my room, curling up on my bed, listening to my parents argue about, my mental health, my pain was real. I knew that. And for once it seemed, at least Kevin was seeing me, really seeing me, that small realization felt like hope somehow. A quick word from our sponsor, Beam Dream. You guys know this. It's my secret weapon. It has been now for a couple of years. Dream is my sleep hack. Every night, I mix up a warm cup of dream powder. And within minutes,

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From a very young age, Chad was a child who seemed to press Ruby's buttons the most, not because he was bad, but because he was different. He was playful, loud, curious, a little rebel. in the way the kids often are, the class clown. You could say the prankster. The kid who didn't fit neatly into a tightly controlled box. And in a healthy family, Chad probably would have simply been seen as energetic, spirited, figuring out who he was. But in a home built around image, order, and control and structure, Chad became a problem, a big problem. To Ruby, he threatened the carefully crafted picture of a perfect family. He challenged her authority just by being himself.

And over time, it felt less like she was guiding him and more like she was trying to break him into submission. And slowly, Kevin began to fall in line with that version of reality. Sherry describes one of the painful public moment saying, quote, true to form, Ruby and Kevin could not resist recording a video to explain their decision. They painted Chad as some kind of juvenile delinquent in desperate need of an attitude overhaul. Kevin uncharacteristically took the lead, his voice stern as he laid out the situation. I could almost see Ruby's puppet strings controlling his words. As Ruby spouted this nonsense, I watched Kevin nodding along at all the right moments.

But there was something in his eyes, a flicker of doubt, perhaps. He later claimed he disagreed at the time before eventually falling in line. And in that moment, though, he was the perfect supportive husband backing up his wife's delusions, end quote. Backing up his wife's delusions. And then this is where everything truly begins to change. This is where Jody Hildebrand enters the picture. At first, connections didn't look dangerous. It did not look extreme. It presented itself like a self-help program, a relationship course, something designed to make families better. Cherry writes, one day, Ruby and Kevin went to a connections conference, and when Kevin came back, he seemed stressed. He wasn't sure he liked the community and would later say he felt like he was surrounded by a bunch of man-hating women. Still, a lot of people who he respected were part of connections at this point, so he ignored his doubts.

Besides, Ruby seemed so enraptured by Jody and her philosophy. He dared not burst her balloon. It was easier to go along with it than to risk becoming the next target of Jody's truth-seeking missiles. But that was the beginning of the end for them. Ruby became more and more involved with connections, diving into Jody's concepts of truth and distortion, two innocuous sounding words that would soon become the bane of my existence. existence, and quote. And from here on, the shift is no longer subtle.

The language changes. The rules tighten. The punishments become heavier. And the family begins to disappear behind a belief system that will eventually consume everything. As Ruby became more deeply entangled with connections, her relationship with Jody, that grew closer, a lot closer and far more intense. So intense, in fact, that Rida Sherry was preparing to leave for college and move into her dorm,

Ruby made a sudden decision that would permanently change the atmosphere inside their home. She moved Jody Hildebrand into her daughter, Sherry's bedroom. And the reason given was that Jody was under attack, spiritually targeted by the enemy. And as we now know from later documentaries, Jody was exhibiting what appeared to be staged episodes of possession. Behavior that, in hindsight, seems designed to secure constant access to Ruby and deepen her emotional dependence. Ruby loved being needed. She loved being chosen. And her bond with Jody quickly became more central than anything else, including her marriage and her children.

Sherry describes watching all of this unfold with growing fear and helplessness. She writes, All of these fantastical visions were meticulously recorded in a hefty leather binder that Jody referred to as the pen papers. In her delusion, she believed these scribblings would one day be elevated to the status of Holy Scripture personally validated by God himself. I felt helpless watching all of this unfold. Dad, who seemed like a shell of his former self, wasn't doing anything to stop it either.

I wanted to intervene, to shake him out of this compliance, but I didn't know how. I yearned for my dad to find his backbone, to step up and be the protector he was supposed to be. To shield us somehow and convince Ruby that Jody needed the kind of care that we simply weren't equipped to give. And in the end, he never even tried, end quote. Once Sherry finally left for college, the shift inside the home became even more extreme. Kevin was slowly and deliberately being pushed out of his own family. Sherry writes, quote, as Ruby, Jody and Pam, yeah, Pam, the trio grew closer, bonding behind closed doors and sharing whispered conversations, Kevin found himself increasingly on the outside

looking in. He was told that upstairs was off limits. He could leave the house when he wanted, but he could. not return without Ruby's permission. Even access to the kitchen for meals required Ruby's approval. And Ruby dictated if and when they were allowed to communicate. Newhouse rules inspired by Jody. Sherry eventually describes stopping by the house to see her siblings and grab something from her old room, right? And so, but when she ran into her dad, she noticed that he looked empty, listless, like someone who had already lost something he didn't yet know

how to grieve. He recounts the conversation with her father writing, well, I'm just popping in to say hi to everyone. Oh, and I need to grab something from my room. That won't be possible, he said, more firmly than necessary. Why not? Jody and Ruby are in there. They're busy, busy with what, I thought, braiding each other's hair, wrestling demon warlords? If you want to go in there, you have to text your mother first and get permission, he said. Then she can tell you a convenient time to get your book. Dad, really? Why on earth? But I have to schedule a visit to my own bedroom. Because that's just the way things are now, Sherry, he said sadly. It was hard for me believe this was the same person who used to delight me with geological fun facts and

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It's the point where Ruby and Jody had effectively dismantled Kevin's sense of self as a man, husband, and father. Sherry describes it clearly, writing, quote, Who are you, Kevin, and what have you done with my father? Kevin had about as much autonomy as a wet noodle in a hurricane. His every thought and action was dictated by the whims of his unhinged masters, Ruby and Jody. The groundwork had been laid long ago the seeds of doubt and obedience sown deep as it had with me. The only difference was I had gotten out. Years of subservience to Ruby had left Kev's. I had left Kev's. I had left Kev's. I was, I had left Kev's. Kevin's psyche weakened. And now he was easy prey, low-hanging fruit. With meticulous precision, Jody had finished the job dismantling the last remnants of Kevin's independence, stripping away layer after layer until nothing remained but a pliant puppet awaiting her command. And with all her pieces in place, Jody was poised to make her final move, to eliminate Kevin completely. End quote. And as Jody was breaking him down, she didn't stop at Kevin's confidence or autonomy.

She even began twisting the bond he shared with Sherry and all his children into something unrecognizable. Kevin's love for them, something pure, natural nurturing was twisted into a weapon against him. She wrote, quote, Kevin's innermost thoughts were a weapon to be wielded against him with ruthless precision Jody would extract each secret shame, each hidden doubt. and turn it back upon him in service of her one true goal, to claim Ruby as her own knowing full well that Kevin's shattered spirit no longer had the strength to fight back. The accusations took an even darker turn when Jody twisted the happiness he felt in hugging his daughters into something sinister and perverse. She filled his mind with doubts and self-loathing, making him second-guests, every interaction, every display of affection.

Can you see how messed up it was when you gave your girls those hugs? You enjoyed it, didn't you? Jody would ask. I can only imagine the horror and disgust that filled Kevin's mind, the shame, the fear, the sickening idea that he might not be a safe person for his own children to be around. It was all nonsense, of course, but these kinds of sexual accusations were Jody's go-to tactics. Her nuclear option in the game of psychological warfare.

She had used it time and time again to tear families apart, planting seeds of doubt and spinning false narratives of incestuous thoughts, infidelity, or porn addiction. And once the accusations were made, the supposed perpetrator was as good as done for. It was only a matter of time before they'd be invited to leave, end quote. So at this point, Kevin was no longer just being manipulated. He was simply being erased, his identity, his ability to love and protect his children, all weaponized by the very people. he had once trusted. And finally, just as Sherry had feared, Ruby and Jody found a way to remove not only Kevin, but Chad as well from the family altogether by inviting them to leave. That's how it said by Jody, inviting them to leave. They didn't just separate people.

They eliminated any remaining obstacle. They gave Ruby and Jody complete control of the home, complete access to the youngest children. And it gave Jody exactly what she wanted. most, which was Ruby, fully to herself, without interference, without questions, without witnesses. Sherry described the moment everything finally broke, writing, quote, your mom has invited me to leave the family home so I can work on myself, he said, his voice cracking. Once I'm better, I'll come back and we can be a happy family again. I'll be gone for at least a year. The words hit me like a sucker punch. A year. Tears streamed down my face as I choked out. You're moving out of the house,

leaving the kids? Kevin sighed heavily. Yes, I'm leaving and taking Chad with me. Chad is also selfish, and I guess selfish people belong together. I don't want you to end up like me, Sherry. He continued, maybe this can be a learning experience for you, and quote. So this wasn't just separation. this this was exile not because kevin or chad were actually literally dangerous but because they were inconvenient and the very next morning sherry woke up to something that felt even more final kevin said from her book quote sherry things have changed and chad and i are going to ask that you don't contact either of us until we're ready to reach out to you

please don't contact me. Don't be selfish about this and don't hold resentment for this. Use this time to get close to your mom and your siblings. I read the message once, wise, three times. Each word cutting deeper than the last. The urge to hurl my phone against the wall was almost overwhelming. Don't be selfish. Don't hold resentment. End quote. When one message, she lost her father, her brother, and any sense of stability she even had left. Even in therapy, the place where she was finally supposed to be able to tell the truth, Jerry found that she couldn't fully speak freely. She wrote about this saying, quote,

I went to counseling today and talked it through. I'm so angry with my dad for not sticking up for himself and for abandoning his family. And I am furious at Mom and Jody for ruining our family. I feel like a part of me has died and I will never get it back. I don't know how I will ever recover or forgive them. I don't know how to help my siblings. I don't even know how to help myself." And as the weeks passed, Sherry began to look at her father's role more clearly, not through anger, but through grief. She said, as days turned into weeks, I found myself reflecting on Kevin's role in all of this. He was far from perfect. Over the years, he made his share of mistakes enabling Ruby's toxic behavior and standing idly by as she steamrolled.

over everyone. He was her faithful servant catering to her every whim, no matter how unreasonable. But Kevin was never a selfish man. In fact, his greatest weakness was his selflessness. He gave and gave until there was nothing left. Now he'd gone willingly into exile, cutting off all contact with us, his children, to please his wife and to protect us from the vile monster Jody led him to believe that he was. He'd say it would be temporary. a year to focus on personal growth before returning to his family. But I knew, I knew Ruby would never welcome him back, no matter how much time passed. This was a one-way ticket.

This was permanent. To this day, it's a miracle to me that he survived, the misery of his exile and didn't end it all. A chilling thought had crossed my mind since then. Maybe that's what Jody and Ruby wanted, end quote, is chilling. And that's a moment everything finally clicked into place. This wasn't just some distance or asking Kevin to work on himself. This was removal from the family home. This was control, coercive control. And this was the emotional ground zero that would allow the worst abuse to happen, unseen, unchecked, and without anyone left to stop it. After Sherry had been staying at college on the BYU campus in Provo, Utah, there's another chapter. of her story that is much quieter, just as devastating. Very devastating. She writes about a relationship that formed during a time when she was profoundly vulnerable. Her connection to her mother was essentially gone. Her father was no longer speaking to her, even though he was

physically nearby working on the very campus she attended. But emotionally, she felt unprotected and alone. And into that space, stepped a married church official in his 40s, referred to in the book only as Derek. At first, he didn't feel dangerous. He felt safe, like someone who finally saw her when she was all alone. He listened to Sherry. He knew what her family life had been like and understood the pain that Sherry carried. And in the beginning, he positioned himself as someone who wanted to help, almost like a father figure. But that is how this kind of harm so often begins, isn't it? Not with force, but with attention and with this alleged concern for Sherry, with someone showing up when no one else is. And slowly, the dynamic change,

the care turned into control, the support turned into surveillance. The concern turned into something that crossed really important lines. And they were crossed emotionally, psychologically and eventually physically. Sherry writes, I want to make sure you're safe, Sherry, he had said. Maybe you could share your location with me just in case something goes wrong. I know you're all alone. I wasn't all alone. I had friends and Kevin was on campus most days, but I was so hungry for any school. scrap of fatherly attention, any hint that someone truly gave a damn about me that I'd agree to share my iPhone location with him without a second thought. Before long, Derek turned into

Big Brother, tracking my every move, grilling me about every little detour or pit stop. His messages took on a new tone filled with longing and desire. Reading those words made me want to hurl, end quote. What makes this part so hard to hear is how clearly sheer you understand what's happening and how powerless trauma can make someone feel even, even when they do understand. She said, she continues and writes, he's the only protection I have. I repeated like a mantra even as a part of me screamed that this protection came with a terrible price. Without him, I really will be all alone. The truth hovered at the edge of my consciousness too terrifying to fully acknowledge. Cutting ties with Derek meant facing a world where I truly had no allies.

And so I remained in limbo caught between revulsion and desperate need, unable to break free. As Derek's grip on me got tighter, I felt myself shutting down more and more. This is something we hear minimized with phrases like maybe. daddy issues. But this is what happens when a young woman grows up without a safe present protector and then goes looking for safety in the only places it seems to exist. She needed someone. Sherry continues. She writes, he kept pushing, kept taking things further and further over the line. I didn't have those kinds of feelings for him, but I was too addicted to the scraps of validation that he gave me. He was the only one who knew how method.

up it all was, the only one telling me that I wasn't crazy. I needed that lifeline, that hint of warmth in a world that felt hard and unforgiving. And the most heartbreaking part of all, the part that ties this directly back to Kevin, is when she writes this, I need my father. I wish I could have called Kevin, told him what was happening, asked for his help as my protector. He was right there everyday teaching on the university campus. But it was as if I wasn't visible. He wasn't my protector anymore. He was just another person who had let me down. Another person who had turned their back when I needed them. End quote. This is the ripple effect of what happened in that house, the Frankie house. The abuse did not stop when Sherry left. The absence didn't stop when she went

to college and the damage didn't stay contained to childhood. It followed Sherry. It followed her into adulthood. It followed her into relationships, into places where she should have been safest. And this is one of the deepest reasons that her forgiveness of Kevin later in the book is so complex, so layered and so difficult for outsiders, for the public. to understand. If removing Kevin from the house wasn't enough, Kevin eventually took another drastic step, he left his job at BYU. He was a professor and he left his job. Cherry captures the weight of that decision with a mix of sadness, frustration, and disbelief, writing. In June 2023, news reached me that Kevin had abruptly abandoned his professor position at BYU. A pain of sadness hit me.

his contributions in the field of geotechnical earthquake research could have saved countless lives in seismic zones around the world. But a bitter irony struck me. Here was a man who dedicated his life to protecting people yet remained paralyzed in the face of a catastrophic unfolding in his own family. What would it take for Kevin to redirect even a fraction of the energy he had poured into his research toward safeguarding his own flesh and blood? I wished Kevin, Kevin, could somehow find the strength to stand up and fight against the real dangers that loomed over us. The most pressing being Ruby, the woman who had full unchecked custody of my siblings, the same woman who brazenly discussed putting wealth on kids' legs as if it were normal parenting

techniques. Forget earthquakes, Kevin. The ground beneath our feet was already crumbling, end quote. The irony of Sherry's words is striking. Kevin spent his life studying how the earth moves, how it shifts, and how to protect people from forces far beyond their control. And yet, and yet when it came to the chaos inside his own family, the danger that threatened the children he loved, he felt powerless. And that sense of helplessness and absence left a deep mark on Sherry. We can see it in the pages of her journal where her admiration of her father slowly erodes into disappointment, disappointment and loss. She writes, tomorrow it will have been a year since dad was invited to leave. It also happens to be Pioneer Day in a way I feel like I'm a pioneer

for myself and family and breaking generations of abuse and evil. I will be better to my kids than my parents ever were to theirs. End quote. Even as she struggles with the absence of her father, she begins to find her own strength. There's a quiet determination in that entry. a recognition that she can create something different for the next generation, even if the people who were supposed to protect her could not. And that determination becomes one of the through lines of her story, how resilience can emerge even from the deepest fractures of family and how healing can begin even when the people we counted on fail us. Resilience. As Sherry makes clear in her book, she doesn't go into detail about the abuse that her youngest siblings suffered and endured.

Horrendous, horrendous abuse. But she does acknowledge that those experiences, they belong to her younger siblings, not to her. And she respects their story by leaving it mostly untold. However, she does describe Kevin's perspective, how he first learned what had been happening while navigating the aftermath of his separation from the family and trying to work with law enforcement. It's a perspective that's just this heartbreaking, honestly, in its own way. Sherry writes, Kevin was brought in for interrogation shortly after Ruby's arrest as police tried to determine the circumstances surrounding the chain of events. He seemed unaware of the situation telling police Ruby had called him to pick up the kids the day she was arrested.

but he wasn't sure why. And when asked about his family, Kevin admitted, I haven't seen them for over a year. I've been separated from my wife and family. I have some problems. He said that Jody and Ruby shared a close relationship that Jody had recognized his need for help and that it was Ruby who had invited him to leave and take some space. Kevin said that he agreed with her decision stating that the time apart had been exactly what he needed to confront his own addictions. The space had been. been very, very good for me. He said, parody Jody and Ruby's manipulative rhetoric. The disconnect between Kevin's calm demeanor and the reality of what had happened was staggering. But he was still living in an alternate universe, one in which she'd been brainwashed into believing that abandoning his family was somehow therapeutic, end quote. So even when confronted with the facts, Kevin's mind remained entangled. In the narrative, Ruby and Jody had created a narrative that made him believe that separation and compliance were a path to heal. And when police pressed Kevin further about the children's living conditions and his role in his family, Kevin described his understanding saying, quote, my job is to financially provide. I pay the bills with my job. I provide the money, which goes into a shared bank account. So investigators had found a significant amount of money hidden at Jody's home. They found $85,000 in $85,000 in

cash, along with the fact that Ruby had cleared out the joint accounts and even the children's savings accounts, leaving only Sherry's separate account untouched. Kevin admitted that in hindsight, he would have signed anything Ruby asked him to without question. Luckily, her arrest came before she could strip away the family's remaining assets. And when police finally explained the conditions of his youngest children and what Ruby and Jody had done, Kevin's reaction was one of shock. he said, quote, that sounds horrible, disgusting. No human being should be treated like that. That's what he said.

It's a moment that highlights the full complexity of Kevin's story, a man who had been manipulated, men who had been isolated and pushed out of his own family. And then he's suddenly confronted with the reality of what his absence and the toxic influence of Ruby and Jody had allowed to happen, even in his confusion and compliance, there's a glimpse of the father. He could have been someone who would have fought for his children if he hadn't been so systematically removed from the equation. We've all been critical of Kevin in these interviews, haven't we? I mean, I certainly

have questioning how he could have been so seemingly unaware of what was happening to his children, allowing Ruby and Jody to be alone with them, still maintaining loyal. toward Ruby even after the shocking truth came to light. And Sherry captures this complicated dynamic when Kevin first learned what had happened. She writes, The police informed Kevin that his children, aside from me and chat, were now in the custody of DCFS and under the medical hold for 72 hours. Kevin became emotional asking, what's going to happen with my wife. I love my wife. He continued to express trust in Ruby's seemingly caught between loyalty to his wife and the shocking revelations about what she and Jody had done to their

children, end quote. So even after the arrest, his loyalty didn't immediately shift a phone call between Kevin and Ruby while she was in jail, underscored how completely he was caught in this web of manipulation. Sherry narrates the call writing, quote Ruby said, God spoke to me when I was driving before I called you. The spirit said, your children are going to be removed. A long pause. I'm committed to our family, Kevin said. I'm committed to you and our marriage no matter what happened.

Well, thank you for stepping up, was Ruby's reply. Amazingly, Ruby had expressed confusion as to why anyone would be concerned about the shocking state of her youngest kids and how they had been found. I don't even want to go into how they were found. We know it was horrific. I'll go back. I don't understand why they're in the hospital. They're perfectly fine, Ruby declared. The children were not fine. I knew that much. And so did everyone who'd seen them paramedics, police witnesses to the outcome of Jody's and my mother's acts of extraordinary cruelty, end quote. So at first, Kevin's perspective seemed almost dissonant to the reality around him still loyal to Ruby and still trying to see himself as a protector, even the evidence screamed otherwise. Sherry also shares how she tried to make

sense of the situation herself, taking steps to preserve evidence and learn the truth. She writes, I read some text messages, emails, and journal entries in the notes app that confirmed for me the truth about the nature of her relationship with Jody and how it has spilled over into the physical. Ruby expressing her frustration about having to cater to Jody's needs for physical affection without getting anything in return. My mother servicing someone else. What?

First time for everything. I didn't read on. What happened between them romantically was none of my business. I didn't care to know nor think about it any further, end quote. And when Kevin discovered that Sherry had taken items from the home, journals, tablets, cell phones, passports. His reaction was telling. Sherry recounted this moment. And she says, right here, Kevin was furious when he found out that I'd gone home and taken those journals, tablets, cell phones, and everyone's passports from the house. Even though I was

accompanied by the police, he was still so ill, so brainwashed back then, still loyal to Ruby and Jody above all. Kevin told the cops they should charge me with burglary. And, And they pretty much laughed in his face, pointing out that I had just as much right to retrieve items from the family home as he did. I felt sorry for Kevin more than anything. So what stands out in all of this is the sheer complexity of Kevin's position, a father who had been systematically removed and manipulated, trying to reconcile his love for his children with the loyalty he still felt toward his wife who had betrayed him.

and the influence of Jody that had taken complete control over his perception of reality and complete control over his family. In situations like this, there are no simple heroes or simple villains. Well, Jody is a pretty simple villain, but it's only people doing their best in this situation. And they, best they can in circumstances that are far beyond what anyone should endure. And eventually, Kevin moved back into the family home, a space that had long been dominated by Ruby's rules and Jody's lies and manipulations. But this time, it was different. The house was no longer a stage for perfection or control. Kevin had returned not as the compliant husband, but as a father beginning to reckon with the past and as someone slowly finding his own footing. Cherry described what that looked like, saying.

Kevin had moved back into our house permanently. Every night he slept alone in his too big bed and his too quiet house haunted by, if only, caught in an endless feedback loop of his own failures, the warning signs he overlooked, the moments he could have been braver, stronger, better. But the past can't be unwritten. It can only be reckoned with, learned from. one brutal day at a time. He had been making huge strides mentally and was in therapy, as was I, as we learned to stand side by side again as imperfect partners in recovery from what happened.

I could tell he was trying to make things better to repair his relationship with his kids to prepare the home for the kid's eventual return. He'd have to prove to the authorities, of course, that he was responsible enough to be their father again. That would take some time. And for Now he was trying his best to turn Ruby's house into a home." With Ruby gone, Kevin's approach to the home changed completely. No longer bound by rigid rules, Ruby's rules, no longer policing every small detail for the sake of the perfect internet image. He allowed the house to feel lived in, to feel messy and human. Sherry described this change.

She writes, as he cleansed the house. of its past under Ruby's dominion. He told us that once everyone was home again, we could decorate our rooms however we want. I don't care anymore. Make it your own space, he said. Sure, the house was messier, but it felt lived in. Shoes in the house? No problem. Animals on the couch? Kevin didn't bat an eye. Still, until the kids were back home, there was no way I could even begin to relax. That Christmas of 2023, it was just Kevin and me in the house, both of us feeling depressed that the seven of us could not be together as a family, end quote. It was a small, quiet kind of healing, but significant nonetheless. Kevin wasn't trying to erase the past, something no one can do. He couldn't do it. But he was creating a space where the family could eventually begin to reclaim what had been taken from them a sense of safety and normalcy. This was not the end of their story, but a turning point. After years of being sidelined, manipulated, isolated. Kevin had begun to step fully into his. role as a father again, imperfect but present. Sherry writes about the family's time together before

Ruby and Jody's sentencing, which was a moment of intense, intense public scrutiny, layered on top of their personal trauma. And amidst all of that, she, Chad, and Kevin were finding ways to reconnect and rebuild their relationships. She writes, we arrived in St. George, Utah, and had a strangely normal evening. The three of us getting Indian food and watching basketball. It was almost like old times, a fleeting glimpse of the life we once knew, a reminder that beneath the pain and trauma, the bonds that connected us were still there. Kevin wasn't a pod person anymore. There was a lot more work to do, a lot more healing to happen for all of us. But for now, we were united in the same cause, making sure justice was served and the children's futures

protected, end quote. Shiri also reflected on Ruby's sentencing speech. That was something, wasn't it? And how it brought a complex mixture of emotions, particularly toward Kevin. Ruby's words inadvertently became a turning point for Sherry. She writes, Ruby declared that the moment of her arrest was the moment she gained her freedom. Then she turned her attention to Kevin. You're the love of my life, she said.

And I watched as Kevin bowed his head, his shoulders shaking with the weight of emotions he could not hold back. I reached out and grabbed Kevin. heaven's hand, having sought guidance from Jesus, forgiving him had emerged as the right choice. I would never forget the pain he had caused, ignored, and enabled. He had not been absolved, but I had chosen to release the burden of resentment. I held against him. In extending a hand of compassion and understanding, I was granting myself the freedom to heal. End quote.

This moment is about so much more than Kevin. is about Sherry reclaiming her own agency, choosing forgiveness, not as a statement about Kevin's actions, but as a pathway to her own healing. And what she illustrates so beautifully is that forgiveness does not erase the past. And it does not excuse the harm. So what does forgiveness do instead? It allows a space for growth for relationships to be rebuilt and for a family fractured by trauma to find a new way forward, at least forgiveness in this situation, I want to say does. And at the very end of her book, Sherry takes a moment to express gratitude not only to those who helped her tell her helped her tell her story, but to the people who stood by her during the

darkest times when Ruby was no longer the mother she needed and Kevin was absent. It was her chosen family who helped guide her through the pain. And ultimately, she acknowledges Kevin and her siblings and the love and resilient. that has carried them through to this point. She writes, I couldn't have written this book without the courage of my siblings and my father, Kevin. Thank you for your pure hearts and love. This book is a testament to our shared resilience and the unbreakable bonds between us now and for eternity. It's a beautiful reminder, honestly, that even in families fractured by trauma, by crime, by criminals, there is a possibility for healing, reconnection, and forgiveness.

Sherry's word show that love isn't about ignoring past mistakes. It's about choosing to move forward together despite those mistakes. And in the end, that's exactly what Sherry and the Frankie family seem to be doing, which brings me back full circle. So the most recent posts that made me want to revisit Sherry's book and honestly really analyze the dynamics between her and her father, Kevin, how she was able to choose forgiveness for her father and how their family is doing now, how they're doing currently. On December 21st, again, Kevin shared a photo of himself with his new wife.

Yes, we learned that on November 14th, 2025, Kevin remarried, this time to a woman named Becca. He wrote that it would always be a day special to him for the rest of his life and describe marrying his best friend and partner. He says, Becca Frankie, you found a way into my heart and I am so grateful that you did. You bring a warmth and happiness into my life that I didn't think was possible, end quote. But it was Sherry's post congratulating her father, again, that really caught my attention. She wrote, I don't even have words to describe how amazing it was to see my dad get married. When I was younger, I could always see he wasn't happy.

And I prayed that one day he'd find someone that made him happy like he deserved. I'm so glad I was there to witness his love story. Any negative comments towards him or his beautiful wife will be deleted. You do not know my dad. You do not know amends made or conversations we've had. He is a wonderful man. and I am so happy for the new addition to the family." End quote.

This post says a lot. Sherry is not only forgiven her father, but she also acknowledges that his marriage to her mother didn't necessarily make him happy. She recognizes that he deserves happiness, despite his shortcomings as a father, and that this woman is a welcomed addition to their family. And while many people might think this happened a little too quickly, we can only hope that Becca is able to provide the kind of love and care that was missing before a maternal figure who could

nurture what was never fully nurtured. Sherry is also right, very right. We don't know her dad personally. We don't know the private amends made or the conversations that have privately taken place. But what we can see is that something significant has happened behind closed doors and privacy, allowing the family to begin rebuilding, most notably without, without Ruby. We've also seen Chad stepping up and being protective of his father. Newly married as well, he recently discussed a podcast Kevin did with Dr. Julie Hanks, a licensed. licensed therapist highlighting how people in the comments still demand that Kevin should be imprisoned and blame him for much of what happened. Well, Dr. Hanks emphasizes the real power and balance

that exists between a therapist or any mental health professional and their client. She explains by developing a personal relationship like a friendship or romantic connection can be so dangerous. that imbalance combined with the trust we place in these professionals, especially when religion is involved, can create conditions ripe for manipulation, gaslighting, and isolation. Kevin speaks openly about how misplaced trust contributed to these dynamics, how cult-like patterns can develop within families, relationships, and belief systems, and why even intelligent, capable people can become trapped in these kinds of environment. He reflects on the fall of his marriage, the psychological control exerted by Jody, and the devastating

personal consequences that followed, including his loss of identity, confusion about his faith, PTSD symptoms, public scrutiny, and the abuse, the abuses children endured. And so it was exactly that weakness, that insecurity. that Jody and Ruby both exploited. Okay. To cause me to do things that really were, you know, contrary to my better judgment. Yeah. But at the same time, you know, in the moment seemed like absolutely the right thing to do.

So what I'm hearing you say is that you brought this insecurity into the situation and this need for external validation. And so when that external validation isn't there, you just. kind of do things against who you are because you're needing the approval of Jody and Ruby. Yeah, well, somebody like me who has no, like, strong sense of inner strength or confidence is constantly looking for somebody to tell me what to do. And so I always have one or more people on a pedestal, right? Those are kind of what, using the language that I like to use, those are my gods, the people that are more than human to me.

And so I listen to what they say. I follow what they do, follow what they teach. And I need them to tell me what to do because I have zero confidence in myself to make those decisions correctly. He also shares what healing has looked like, rebuilding relationships, reclaiming his life, and creating a new path with his children. So let's take a listen to what Chad had to say about people's perceptions of Kevin. Okay, I think it's time to clear some air. I recently saw that my dad was on a podcast with a psychologist, psychiatrist, something like that in that sense.

And I saw a couple of clips of it, and I would love to talk to you guys. about it, okay? First off, if you go to any TikTok, any TikTok on the entire page and about our family in the past couple of years or even recently, if you go to the comments and click the top comment, guess what it is on every single video? It's his dad should be in prison or it's why is his dad not being held accountable for this. So I would love just to sit down and clarify and just this could be a part one to many parts, but I think I should just talk about this because I'm sick of seeing these comments, dude. Okay, let me just make it clear.

When there is a psychologist, what, dude, what was she? Psychologist, I don't even know what she was. A family therapist for, okay, therapist, I'll say this. When you have a therapist that tells you to do something, you usually trust them to do it. Now, let me back up, okay? This therapist was in our life for five years, okay? I'm going to just cut straight to the chase. It eventually got to the point when we gained her trust that whatever she says goes.

Okay. So when she said, hey, I don't think you and your mom are in a good relationship or you and your wife are in a good relationship. You should separate. Now, is that the right thing to do? No, absolutely not. But when you've trusted this woman for your whole life, especially since she's extremely rich and successful, you think, okay, I'm going to trust you. Okay. Now, separation, separation part. What has to do with the separation part? Okay. She has told me, my dad, everyone else, if you are moved out, it is for a reason, and you are not allowed to have contact with anyone in the family. Okay? Why? Because if you don't have contact with everyone in the family, you're listening to my rules. And, And if you follow my rules, you can see your family again.

Okay? This was what I was thinking. This is what my dad was thinking. We were dead set in this because we trusted her. So for over a year, we did not contact anyone in our family. Complete isolation. So I'm just going to make this very clear, very, very, very, very clear. Me and him had no idea because we wanted to listen to.

of Jody. We were listening to her and that's that. Sorry. When we step back and look at the bigger picture, what stands out is how the children, at least Sherry and Chad, have been able to forgive their father. It's not about forgetting the past or excusing what happened, but about recognizing the complexity of the situation, how someone as intelligent and capable as Kevin could still be manipulated and controlled by people like Ruby and Jody, even after he had been removed. from the home. Many people point out that Ruby's behavior was abusive even before Jody entered the picture. Yeah. But as Sherry chaired, Kevin often took a back seat in the parenting, aware of her

behavior, but constrained in what he could do or felt able to do to intervene. That, I admit, it makes the story complicated. And it reminds us that abuse and manipulation are rarely simple or one-sided. it's difficult for many of us to reconcile, how someone can be accountable for abuse inflicted on their children while also being a victim themselves. But when we consider accountability, it becomes clear that the people Kevin ultimately owes that to is not to us. It's to his children. They are the ones who have been directly affected, and they are the ones he has focused on rebuilding trust with, making amends, and moving forward alongside. Now that the family is largely out of the public eye, there's an opportunity for them to heal on their own

terms. Sherry celebrating her father's new marriage, Chad sticking up for his father and their shared efforts to rebuild all point to a family trying to find stability, love, and connection after trauma. For us observing from the outside, it requires a level of acceptance, accepting that the public narrative doesn't capture everything, that accountability can look different within a family than in the court of public opinion, and that these children are choosing to move on in a way that works for them. After all, healing is deeply personal, and sometimes the most important steps happen behind closed doors. We can acknowledge what happened, recognize the harm, and still allow them a space to rebuild and find the peace.

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