Hidden True Crime - Lindsay Clancy’s Mom Reveals CHILLING Warning Before the Killings | Trial Day 14

Episode Date: August 18, 2026

Lauren Matthias breaks down a dramatic Day 14 of the Lindsay Clancy trial as the prosecution RESTS and the defense begins calling witnesses—including Lindsay’s former coworker, sister and mother. In emotional testimony, Lindsay’s mother revealed that weeks before the deaths of Cora, Dawson and Callan, Lindsay told her and Patrick that she was having thoughts of harming the children. Jurors also heard about Lindsay’s worsening depression, self thoughts, hospitalization and desperate attempts to feel like herself again, while prosecutors confronted her family with messages suggesting she had begun improving before January 24, 2023. Plus, a former coworker revealed Lindsay’s haunting reaction years earlier when she first learned about the Andrea Yates case, and a physician testified about Lindsay’s catastrophic injuries after she went from the second-story window. Lauren breaks down the biggest testimony, evidence and courtroom moments as the defense case officially begins. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, Hidden Gems. We are live. And what a day in the Lindsay Clancy trial. Today was big. Today was really big because the prosecution did something that we never thought they were going to ever do. They arrested. They concluded with their final witness, which means the defense was actually up the majority of the day. And wow, did Reddington bring the witness? from Lindsay's mother, Lindsay's sister, Lindsay's old co-workers. In fact, I want to start with a soundbite from one of her old co-workers. Listen to this. Were you aware of any incidents where Lindsay was with you and a woman did in fact express

concern that she wanted to hurt herself or her child? There was a particular patient that Lindsay was. was on staff when this patient arrived. It was a patient that arrived to the unit that had plans to harm herself while she was pregnant. And we had a conversation. Lindsay was brand new. It was the summer that she had just started. And we had a conversation about mental health in pregnancy and postpartum.

And I asked her if she had ever heard. of the Andrea Yates case, and she hadn't. And I explained that to her, and she cried. And she said, how could a mother hurt her children? Wow, right? Andrea Yates case, a very well-known case that we, the many are comparing to Lindsay Clancy's and this memory of her saying, how could anyone do that, crying when she learned who Andrea Yates is. By the way, I interviewed Andrea Yates' attorney recently, George Parnham, that interview is on Hidden True Crime. Check it out. He talks about the Lindsay Clancy case as well. It says he considers Andrew Gates a daughter. They still talk. They still talk. So we're going to go through the day. It's a big day. So as many of you know, I always say,

stick with me. This morning, the state called their final witness in the case in chief, a digital forensic specialist named Ian Wiffin. Ian explained that he worked at SELBright, which he describes as a digital intelligence company. They're pretty much in every case. Cellbride is now part of every criminal case these days. He'd been there since 2020, and he served as a customer engagement manager,

meaning he helped people understand the digital evidence. They pulled from phones and computers. He talked about what, digital evidence actually looked like, call logs, messages, photos, location data, anything a device stored that could be interpreted and presented, has spent close to a decade as a patrol officer in the UK and Canada, the UK and Canada, before moving into digital forensics with the Calgary police services. From there, he went through specialized training at the Canadian Police College and vendor-specific courses from companies like Blacklight, Selbright.

So ADA Sprague asked him about Cellbrite's tools, and he explained how one tool extracted as much data as possible from a phone, while another decoded and organized it, so investigators could search and report on it. He added that the ability to access phone data constantly changed because phones themselves keep evolving. So, in other words, they have new features, new security, means that Cellbrite has to keep updating its own systems, right?

I have a conspiracy theory that all those new updates make us just buy new phones. But yes, they always have new systems and they're always updating, which means Cellbrite does too. So when Sprague asked whether he had been asked to locate the Apple health data related to the incident, the incident on Summer Street, meaning the Clancy Home, he said yes, he explained that the Apple Health pulled sensor data from the phone and connected devices like Apple, watches, or Fitbits, things like steps, flights climbed, heart rate, all live inside the health app. So by this point, he'd done well over a thousand phone extractions and

analyzed every one of them. He'd also analyzed plenty of extractions done by other examiners and had testified around the world about this kind of work. He confirmed that he received the extraction from Lindsay Clancy's iPhone 13. When he works a case, he prefers not to know much about the narrative, right? He wants the data to speak for itself. He doesn't want to bias. Makes sense. That's good. All he needs is the date, the time, the basic outline of what happened. The extraction he received was a full file system extraction. Essentially everything still present on the device. He used Slebright's physical analyzer and some of his own custom tools to examine it. He was built those tools himself over the years to decode raw data and make it easier to search,

filter, and dig into the underlying databases. So for this case, he focused on a period around January 24th, 2023. We know that horrific day and three children lost their lives. So he looked back though, roughly three weeks before that date as well to make sure, you know, he wasn't missing anything, right? Got to set the stage. Got to figure out what's going on before. So that's what he did. So when he pulled up the health data from that day, he explained how it appeared on the phone. The health app broke down steps, distances, flights climbed, heart rate. So as an examiner, he can look directly at the raw database behind the app, right? So Sprague showed him the section of his report that listed heart rate data and Wiffin explained that heart rate readings came from the

Apple Watch paired to Lindsay's phone. The watch was named Lindsay's Apple Watch. The watch periodically checked heart rate and sent that information to the phone over Bluetooth. So the timing varied depending on what the user was doing. Sometimes readings were seconds apart, other times several minutes. He pointed out the highlighted high points in the data and noted that he missed a couple of the highest readings when he first marked them. So the last heart rate recorded that day was 5.23 p.m. 57 beats per minute. So after that, nothing else comes in. He said that he could watch if the watch was removed, turned off, or if the battery died. Sprigg moved him to the flight climb data with an explain that Apple health logged a flight of stairs when it detected both steps and a change in altitude.

So the devices used a barometer to measure air pressure changes. Both the phone and the watch could record these events. He said rare situations could trick the sensors like being in a car, going up a hill, but inside a house, flights climbed. Absolutely meant stairs. So we're actually being climbed, right? So he goes through how the forensic tool displayed that information. The tool was by hour, data by hour, and then allowed the examiner to drill down into specific time stamps. On page six of his report, the top box showed an hour where five flights were climbed.

Below that, the breakdown showed the exact moment those climbs were detected. So Sprigg points out that some entry showed multiple flights climbed at the same second, which didn't make any sense. We've been explained that, well, this happens because both the phone and the watch recorded the same event with slightly different timestamps. So the table at the bottom separated the watch data from the phone data. So the examiner could see which device was logged on. If someone has their Apple Watch on the kitchen table, for example,

while they're going downstairs with their phone, that could change things. So they had their phone in their pocket while going down the stairs, both devices, and then the watch was left upstairs, or if they had both together, both devices would record the climb. Take listen. Did you do something to compare these times and make a table where you ignored or you ignored or disregarded the double entries. I did. I tried to correlate and discard all of the duplicate information, so where there was an event of a flight climb that was recorded on the watch and the phone,

rather than provide information that said there was two flight climbs, I would ignore one of them and limit it to just the ones which we could prove happened. And that's displayed here in this chart at the bottom of page 7 of the report? Correct. I'm going to page 8 of your report. We have here at the top of page 8, does that show the last flight climb recorded on either the defendant's phone or watch?

It does. It shows that there was additional flight climb events logged by the phone, which were not logged by the watch, at 1703 and 1733. So these records indicate that at 503 p.m., the defendant's iPhone was with the person as it went up the stairs. And then at 533 p.m., the iPhone was with the person as it went up to two flights of stairs. Correct. And there's a time difference there. The start time is 533 p.m. and the end time is 538 p.m. for two flights of stairs.

So that's roughly five minutes. in between the two flights. Is there a way to explain that that length of time? The way the Apple Health case reports this information aggregates it, it tries to group events together. So in this case, it would have recognized that there was a flight climb on the phone at around 1733-34, and a second one at around 1738-33, and it just grouped them both into one event.

It doesn't mean that it took five minutes. to walk up two flights of stairs it's just within that five minute period there were two flight times so if I have my phone in my pocket and I climb off a flight of stairs and then I spend a few minutes on that floor and then still with my phone and my pocket go up another flight of stairs that's representative of what we're seeing here at 533 correct there tends to be around a 10 minute window where it tries to to check every 10 minutes but it can reduce that window in a case like this where it sees that there's group data within a smaller time period. And then further down on page 8, we have another table here with CFC have combined data of heart rate and flight flying data. Is that correct? Correct. The action of the defendant's phone? I did, yes.

And what did you do to look at the web usage on the phone and what time frame did you look at? The web usage expounded the time of interest to early January to the, the 24th of January and just took a look at any web history over that time. There was over 1,300 records recovered. I took a cursory look down that list and highlighted some which potentially were relevant to the case and then provided the 1,300 actual records as a appendix report. So on page 12, the searches began on January 10th. Each day had its own set of entries, time, website, page title, and the database identifier. So Sprague focused in on January 12th at 748 p.m. The phone searched, quote, how quickly does Welbutrin work for depression, end quote.

A minute later, at 749 p.m. There was a search for Lemmigdoll for depression, spelled with a B at the end. He said that was kind of a typo that showed it was typed manually. So then at 755 p.m., another search appeared eloquil for depression. And then on January 18th at 1025 a.m. At 1025 a.m., the phone searched ketamine for suicidal ideation. Then the next day, January 19th at 924 a.m., the phone searched, quote, symptoms of postpartum psychosis, followed by, quote, psychosis and psychosis at 9.5. 30 a.m. And I'll just say this. Clearly, the defense will frame this as her wondering if she had the symptoms, trying to understand her own symptoms. The prosecution is going to frame this as Lindsay perhaps looking up the symptoms, right? But nonetheless, on January 24th, the day of the incident,

the search is included. Kids Miralax at 4.02 p.m. Take out at 3B. That's the restaurant. At 4.13 p.m. that was the takeout 3V and then CVS Pharmacy at 447 p.m. So Sprague asked about an Apple note found in the extraction. The note was created on December 22nd, 2022. It was modified January 23rd, 2023. So Whiffin said there was no audit trail showing what exactly changed. You could see that the original version looks similar to the later one. but the exact edits were not recoverable.

So he also pulled messages between Lindsay and her mother and between Lindsay and Patrick, arranging them in a format that looked like a normal text thread. So outgoing messages appeared in blue and coming in gray. Page 19 showed the thread with her mother, photos sent out, replies coming in, coming back. Page 22 showed the thread with Patrick. So he reviewed phone calls as well. Of course he did, right? The table listed start times, end times, and who the call was to or from, how long it lasted, and why it was disconnected.

Page 28 continued that list. At 5.33 p.m. Patrick called Lindsay's phone. It went unanswered. At 5.34 p.m., Lindsay's phone called him back for about 14 seconds. At 6.09 p.m. Patrick called again, and another missed call. So then Sprague moved him to the media section, with an explained metadata, which is basically the behind-the-scenes information attached to a photo, device, timestamp, location, lens, detail. So one photo was taken at South Shore Medical Center. So he figured that out by plugging the latitude and longitude into Google Maps. Another photo was taken at the Clancy's Summer Street Home. He also looked at device usage when the phone was locked or unlocked what apps were open at the time.

What was visible on screen? The last unlock for the phone happened at 5.13 p.m. The phone locked again two minutes later and wasn't unlocked after that. Spray gas how a call can be made at 5.34 p.m. if the phone stayed locked. with an explained the iPhones let you return missed calls without unlocking the device. You just tap the miss call notification. Application focus showed which app was on the screen. At 4.13 p.m. Apple Maps was open, planning a route from the home to the restaurant 3V.

A 513 p.m. Safari was open. The search on the phone said Pediolax at 515 p.m. Then the messaging app opened and a text went out to Patrick, quote, Pedialax, liquid stool softener. He built a full timeline combining everything. On the last page of his report, he went through how to read it. Take a listen. I'm going to the last page of your report, page 43.

Is this the last page of the timeline? It is, yes. And in that page, Can you explain what we're seeing here? Yes, so the very first column is the timestamp. The next few columns which show typically colored is related to the activity, which will become a little bit clearer in a moment. The column in the center explains what the record is.

So if, for example, we look at the 17, 13, 16, 16, record. We can see a U, which means the device was unlocked in pink. That unlock event lasted until 17, 15, 12. So hence that entire column is in pink and shows the relevant lock event. So here we have 513 device unlock. Yes. 515 device lock and there's this column connecting done correct? Correct. And then any activity that happened during that unlocked time is then shown within the rows between. So again, we see Safari open at 171316. Safari was closed at 171447. Messaging was opened at 171447.

While messages were opened, there was an outgoing message sent for PDLX. Then messaging was closed. Messaging was opened again and messaging was closed prior to the device locking. So everything in the colored columns tries to show all of the events that happened at the same time or during that parent event. And what we have here at 533 p.m. We have the flight climb started, is that correct? Correct. And flight climb ended at 538, so that line again connecting them?

Correct. So two flight climbs occurred during that time period. And in between when the flight climb started and the flight climb ended, you have the two calls, the incoming call that was missed from Patrick and then the outgoing call to Patrick, right? Correct. So the first flight climbed had already been started. Someone had already started climbing up as a flight of stairs when that first unanswered call happened, correct? So flight climb started is how it's listed within the data. based and within the software. But actually, the flight climb time is when the flight climb has been recognized by the

device as the device has already climbed up those stairs. So even though it says flight climb started, that's technically the time that the flight climb had ended. So it works as 533, I'm sorry, 533, 34 flight climb started. That actually indicates the person has gone up that first flight of sleep. Yes, that indicates the phone has now realized I'm three meters higher than I was the last time I checked. Therefore, a flight climb has already been completed at that point. And then the calls happen, and then the phone realizes at 538 that another flight has been climbed.

Correct. I would move to submit the report as the next exhibit. No objection. That report may be admitted. I have nothing further. All right. For cross-exam, Reddington focused right away on the reliability of the Apple health data, right? He pointed out that even within himself, had researched its accuracy, Wiffin agreed.

He had written a blog post about it back in June of 2025, testing how Apple Health measured movement on the rugby field. He described how they tried different positions, the watch in the right pocket, a left pocket held in the hand and compared the results. Some readings were off, some lined up. he used that experiment to talk about the limits of the system. Then Reddington walked him through what the watch actually recorded. Heart rate came from the watch. Steps of movement could come from either the watch or the phone and the database showed which device logged each piece of information. He confirmed again that the last heart rate recorded from Lindsay's watch was 523.52 seconds, very specific, PM. 523 p.m. essentially.

Then Reddington asked about the stair climb data. Wiffin said that the last climb recorded by the phone happened at 5.38 p.m. And after that, the health data went dark. No more steps. No more climbs. No more movement. Reddington pressed the point. After 538, nobody knew what the person wearing the watch was carrying.

The phone was doing. They could have been walking, could have been sitting, running anything. The devices just weren't recording, right? So take a listen to Reddington's Cross. You indicated that the watch stopped recording information at 523 p.m. Yes, the last heart rate was 523, 52. 52, okay. 523 and 52 seconds.

And then I believe the phone and watch stopped recording at 538, was it? The last usage of the The last usage of the phone to record flight climb data was a 538, yes. All right, and after 538, it's pretty much blackout. There's no further information or recording, right? Yes, not until the phone was seized by police, I believe. believe. But there's other activity but appeared to be

after the incident. So the further activity would have been the following morning on the 25th of January, say around 5.30, 6 o'clock in the morning? I ended my analysis on the 24th.

Okay. Well, so 523 p.m. the watch stops recording information. 5.308 p.m. both the watch and the phone stopped recording any information until the police picked up the phone apparently the following day, right? Again, there would have been activity later on,

but it wasn't usage, it wasn't health data. It would have been in things like incoming calls. Okay, so when you went through the stair climbing and talked about the steps that were taken, the distance that was taken, that stopped at 538 p.m., right? Correct. Now, you don't know, when I say you, I mean, as a witness, but also the police,

whoever was wearing the watch, for example, if Lindsay's wearing the watch or carrying the phone, after 538, you don't know what was happening at 539. Correct. You don't know what was happening at 540, 545, right? Correct. Right up until 558, 6 o'clock p.m., right? purely the data on the device.

So it could have been, the phone could have been put down, the watch could have been put down, battery died, whatever those issues could be. And the person would still be going down the stairs, going up the stairs, going in the back yard, doing push-ups, whatever. Correct. You just don't know, right?

Yes. Okay. One of the things, you're familiar with the concept of location data, right? Correct. And location data, one of the things you looked at, are you aware of, would be from Lindsay's phone on August 23rd of 2022. Is that correct? Apologous. August 23, 2022.

Yeah. I didn't go back anywhere near that date. You have tested and written blogs, though, on location information, right? Correct. You actually testify in the case of Kamel v. Victor Arrington and Suffolk Superior Court in Boston in support of the accuracy. of this particular artifact or information, right? Correct. So you're a true believer that the phone does, in fact,

record accurately significant locations on the iPhone, right? It certainly can, yes. All right. And are you aware, or if I was to approach you in your expertise, you were talking earlier about latitude, multitude, and exactly. Yes. So just to you're familiar.

with for example significant location visits on Lindsay's phone August 23rd 2002 at 934 do you know what you know what that says or what that means the created time yeah of 934 I'd be when the device decided that the device that visited this location enough to consider a visit okay do you know what that location is if I suggest you it's a doctor's Would you be aware of that? I don't recognize it from the coordinates. Okay.

Okay. This year you're familiar with too as well, right? The geodata with the latitude and the longitude? Yes. And you're familiar with the fact that you can take the metadata off of the information on the cell phone, one of which would be latitude and longitude. You'd be able to determine, for example, that this would be the Lindsay Clancy Hall. Correct.

Yes, correct. You've seen this before, right? he rings about yes okay right for this room can you objection okay that may be admitted thank you all right thank you now you have your report in front of you right yes and um that's captioned digital forensic report and it's in evidence so the jurors are going to be able to review it in its entirety right yes um if i could direct your attention to page 11 i believe yeah Page 11. Okay.

Yes. Just so the jurors were able to acclimate themselves to it. That would be this item here that you went through with the district attorney, right? As far as the searches, Google searches. I have a different page 11. Different page? That looks like this page 12. Oh, okay.

Well, let me approach you with what is your digital forensic report. Before you're number one? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Is this the same? So this is a revision. A revision?

The revision submitted in February that just had a different record highlighted. Yeah, okay. So basically there's no big deal difference, right? Correct. So we can go by you have the revised and I have the old. Can you look at January 10th on the Google search, for example? I can. You have it?

Yes, sir. So looking at January 10th of 2023, just read along with me and the jurors again would be able to look at this in the jury room. Prescription information at it says 1455. What does that mean? 12.14 in the morning? 12.14.m. Yes. All right. And then 1911, which would be at 7.11 in the morning? 7.11 p.m.

Oh, p.m. Okay. Trazadone and Benadry. goes on about an hour later. Trazidone headache, Google search, goes on. Trazidone and ibuprofen goes on. Trazidone and Tylenol goes on to 2032, which would be 8.32 p.m. Trasidone and Tylenol interactions, right? Correct. Fair to say that these are things that Lindsay Googled on her cell phone.

That's what this document refers to, right? Somebody used this cell phone to Google, yes. You don't know who was actually using it, but this is Lindsay's cell phone. Yes. you're aware of that. Just if we jump ahead, looking at all of these various Google searches, follow with me on, let's say, randomly, let's say, page 13, 1948, which would be 1748, I guess. You with me on that? Yes, 1948. Yeah. Yes.

How quickly does well Butrin work for depression? That's what was Google, right? Correct. Followed by Lamyctyl for depression, Eleval for depression, how to tell if you sleep deprived, ketamine for suicidal ideation, right? Correct. These are all searches that were done on Lindsay's cell phone. On that particular date, chronologically, would have been the 12th of January, right? Correct. Now, without boring everybody, it goes on and on and on with searches along those lines.

suicidal ideation, drugs, trazidone, mixtures, things of that nature, right? It does. Page 17, if you have it, would be the Apple Note Council asked you about? Yes.

Okay. Now, I suggest to you, sir, that this is the Apple Note. I believe a previous witness may have read this to the jury, so they will have this in the room to read. But basically, this is the note that says, I was the healthiest, happiest mom. I worked out every morning, meditated, to care of myself, and basically my life is trying to crap, right?

Correct. So what was modified in this? If you know, because counsel asked you if there were modifications and things of that nature, and I'm just asking if you know, what was modified in it? Exactly at the moment. I don't have all of that in front of me. It's possible to see snippets going back over time. I do recall on the 22nd of December when this was created, it started.

with the same sentence. Yep. And there was a few essentially spell check, spelling differences as time went on. But as much as you can recover from the earlier versions of the note, it's a snippet. It's essentially two sentences and the rest of it is. It's essentially the same note.

Okay. Thank you, sir. So then Reddington walked through the photos and messages. Page 19 showed Lindsay texting her mother. Mother pictures of the kids making a snowman. Remember that snowman they made? Her mother replied with things like, that's a big roll of snow and gives them something to do on a day without school. Such a sweet grandmother thing to say, right? And then more photos followed. The kids outside, a box of Cheerios, a little boy throwing his arms up in excitement. Lindsay sent a picture of Cora wearing a mask.

And in the thread with Patrick, he sent the photo of Dawson and wrote, got himself dressed, his first day doing that. Lindsay responded with just the photo of their daughter on page 22, wearing a mask because she was at the doctor's office. So then Reddington pointed out the morning messages from January 24th. Patrick texted cutie at 8.19 a.m. Lindsay reacted with a heart-based emoji. Patrick asked how things were going.

She replied, good, and then added, Okay, her urine looked good, so nothing going wrong with her kidneys. Patrick responded good. So the messages continued throughout the late morning. More snowman pitchers at 1129 a.m., Patrick texted, you're a good mama, almost in my opinion like he knew she needed to hear that. You're a good mama. Lindsay replied with a heart-covered face emoji.

Later, they talked to. about takeout and looked at the menu for 3B. Reddington flipped through more pages showing thumbnails of the kids, the doctor's office, and the snowman. He asked Wiffin to confirm that he had done a full file system extraction on Lindsay's phone. Wiffin said yes, that extraction produced the appendix with more than 1,300 web visits. Wow. Wow. So then Reddington introduced the entire entire web history as an exhibit. And then he moved to the digital report for Patrick's phone, which was also admitted. And finally, the report for Patrick's Surface Pro Laptop.

All three were accepted into evidence. Reddington walked up with another item in his hand and asked Wiffin if he recognized it. It was the Cellbrite extraction report for Lindsay's iPhone. Wiffin looked it over and said, yes, it was generated by the physical analyzer tool, the same software used to to code and organize the raw data pulled from the device. Reddington pointed to a section on page 9, the web history from January 24th. The report listed the timestamp, the source library, and the exact moment the phone recorded activity. And then he jumped to January 25th the next day after the children were killed.

At 7 a.m., the report showed health data, distance traveled, steps counted all for about an hour at 8 a.m, it showed more distance with step counts. Wiffin explained that the numbers came from the watch and the phone together since both devices contributed to the health database. Redington pressed him on that. He reminded Wiffin that Lindsay had been in a coma on the morning of January 25th, lying in a hospital bed, not wearing her Apple Watch. So how could the report show movement at 8 a.m?

Right? Take a listen. It means it's troubled. Okay. And then it goes on. and it talks about, again, 7 o'clock in some seconds, it talks about 134 distance travel? Yes. Okay.

And for example, January 25 at 8 o'clock in the line, it talks about distance travel, steps counted, and distance would be 47 meters or feet? Yes. So is that information that is coming off of the cell phone, the Apple watch, or watch? that's coming from the watch and the phone and being displayed as one amount of information. It's coming from the watch, right?

The way that the data is presented there, it's been from the watch or the phone. Okay, and the data's coming from Celebrate, right? Correct. Celebrators, God's gift, the cell phone searches, right? I think so. You work with them, and you're also a guy that created all of this stuff, pretty much, right? I've created some other tools, yes. If I tell you, sir, that January 25 at 8 o'clock in the morning,

Lindsay Classy was in a coma, laying in a bed, with tubes coming out of her body, and certainly not wearing her Apple Watch. How did that happen? Based purely on the report there, I'd suggest the data came from the phone rather than the watch. Ah, I just told you about the watch. Did you have a look at this watch?

No, we can't actually pull data directly from the watch. We pull it from the phone. How do you look at a watch? We extract the data from the phone, which is synchronized from the watch to the phone. Okay. So I'm handing you, is that an Apple watch? Yeah, PSPB, yes. Okay. And if I suggest to you that this was found a number of days later in Lindsay's bedroom in a draw that the police never seized, have you ever seen this before? I've never seen this, before now.

How long have you been working on this case for the government? I started looking at this case in November last year. Okay, thank you. That's why we had, Judge. So on redirect, Sprague went back to the document, Reddington, had just shown Wiffin and focused on the activity recorded on January 25th. She asked whether that activity could have come from either Lindsay's Apple Watch or her phone. Whiffin confirmed that it could have been either device,

but the document itself didn't contain enough information for him to tell which one it came from. He explained that he would need to look at the underlying database to determine the source of the data. And that brought up an important point about how investigators actually obtained the Apple Watch information. We've been testified that they didn't extract the memory directly from the watch. Instead, they extracted the data from Lindsay's phone, which had been synchronized with the watch. The phone essentially contained the watch's data because the two-due, devices were connected. Sprague asked why they didn't just extract the information directly from the watch. And within explained, the Apple's proprietary connections and encryption made extracting

information directly from the watch more complicated. And since the phone already contained the synchronized watch data going through the watch itself would require additional work to essentially obtain information they already had. Lindsay's watch had in fact been synced with her phone. the if we're able to look at the actual extracted database for the dates the defense had been discussing, he said he could determine whether the January 25th activity came from the watch or the phone. The problem was that he couldn't make that determination from the printout that the defense had shown him. He needed the actual data, right? So Sprague then brings up what happened to Lindsay's phone on January 25th. So police.

had the phone, moved it to the evidence room, later brought it into a storage room. She asked, would that movement show up as steps or distance traveled? Within explained that as long as the device was turned on, it would continue recording steps and flights climbed, regardless of who was carrying it. And that meant if Lindsay's Apple Watch had been turned off and sitting somewhere, the phone would be the device recording those steps and the distance traveled. Wiffin said that that was a presumption. If the watch was off, it wasn't recording anything, so any activity would have been coming from the phone. Spring also, Sprague also revisited

the indexes the defense had introduced from Wiffin's work on the phone and computers. She asked whether those indexes contained everything that could have been pulled from those devices. Wiffin said no. his reports had been focused searches specifically centered on the internet's history. So when it came to the larger Celbright report, he didn't know who had created it or what options had that person had selected when generating it. And because of that, there could have been additional data on the devices that wasn't included in that particular report. Sprigg then returned to flight data that had already been discussed during cross-examination. The last recorded flight climb had been at 538 p.m. The last incoming phone call shown on Wiffin's charts was the 609 p.m.

call from Patrick to Lindsay, which Lindsay did not answer. So between 538 and 609, spray gasped whether there were any additional flights climbed recorded either by phone or by watch. Wiffin said he didn't believe that there were any. The Commonwealth then moved to admit the full extraction as the next exhibit. After that, Reddington had one more opportunity to question this witness, Ian Wiffen. So he goes back to 538, reading, clarifying what the lack of additional flight data actually meant. And the fact that there were no flights climbed or recorded after 538 did not establish the Lindsay hadn't been moving around the house with an agreed the phone could have been dead it could have been

turned off and they had already discussed that possibility so lindsay could have been walking around the house and the phone simply might not have recorded it reddington asked why the phone hadn't detected anything during that period and he started to explain that the phone hadn't detected any activity but ultimately acknowledged he acknowledged that he didn't know why redington made sure there was no confusion about that answer he said so your answer is you don't know why, right? And Whiffon said, exactly. I don't know why it wouldn't record, end quote. He then pointed out that Wiffin had actually not reported on the steps or distances during that period. He confirmed that he had not. And with that, Wiffin was excused. And the Commonwealth rested their case.

That was it. They did it. Finally, day 14, here we go. Day 14. I mean, I feel like we should be, we should have some like music or something. They rested, guys. They rested. Intermission. No, not really. Yeah, intermission. I'm going to take a drink. Okay. So, after this, the jury is excused for a brief break. The defense made an attempt to get the case dismissed. That always happens. This is like standard stuff. But, but you can watch. Here you go. Mr. Reddington, does the defendant have a motion? Yes, Your Honor. I passed it up to the court. I don't know if you have it in front of you.

It's basically a Rule 25. It doesn't have any memoranda with it, but I would argue. And I would cite to the court the case that was decided of Como versus Brunette Silvera. It's B-R-U-N-E-T-E-H-E-E-I-I-R-A. It was decided. decided towards the end of May of 26 by the appeals court in Massachusetts. It was a case out of the Boston Municipal Court where the defendant was charged with assault and battery on a police officer. The evidence was presented that the defendant was acting erratically and that there was an awful lot of evidence that indicated that brought out on cross-examination from witnesses that the defendant was suffering from some type of a mental illness.

based on that evidence being presented, the government arrested their case, just as they've done here. My suggestion to the court is that the evidence that's been presented on this case against Ms. Clancy, I would suggest, does not rise to the level under Rule 25, even if you take the Latimore standard and determine that the evidence would be decided in the light most favorable to the government at this stage of the case, I think the Brunette-Silvera case places, as they do, described an negative obligation to prove a negative as part of their case in chief on the government. I suggest, Your Honor, that the evidence that has been presented in this case is overwhelming that this young woman was clearly and unequivocally suffering from a mental disease or

defect, that it was occupying her waking hours, her life, that she considered all of her avenues. She attempted to go to these health care providers, using the term loosely, that she went to these people. She had medication after medication after medication. She was obviously acting, I suggest to the court in a state that was observed by witnesses that, in fact, that she was suffering from mental disease or defect. And then ultimately this horrific incident. So under that Burnett-Silvera case, there's no evidence, I suggest, from the government that would rebut the fact that there is evidence that there is evidence of lack of criminal responsibility. So under Brennett-Selera and the cases that were cited in that opinion, respectfully,

I would suggest that a required finding of not guilty should be entered on the case. I also would argue to the court that I think that under the Brunette-Sel-Berra standard and the evidence that Your Honor has before you that the matter should be reduced down, if you will, from premeditated malice of poor thought, cruelty, and atrocity to a second degree. I'm not arguing at this stage. Commonwealth versus Gray or any of its progeny as to manslaughter, but I think the court, certainly in its wise exercise of discretion, has the ability and the right to reduce the charge to second degree murder or enter a required finding. All right. Counsel, thank you. Callmore.

Thank you, Your Honor. The case that defense counsel cited, there was a presentation of the Commonwealth's evidence. Commonwealth arrested. Defense called an expert who said that the defendant was not criminally responsible and the Commonwealth relied on a cross-examination of that witness and did not call any further witnesses. So the motion was filed for a required finding at the close of all of the evidence, which is what's required under Commonwealth v. Lawson, which Brunette Silva cites and is still good law, an SJC case 475 Mass 806 from 2016 in which the court says that a motion for required finding of not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility may be. only be brought at the close of all of the evidence, not at the close of the Commonwealth's case.

In this case, as you're aware, defense plans on presenting experts to testify that the defendant was not criminally responsible, and then the Commonwealth will have a rebuttal case with their own experts. So I think the time in place for this, for the motion would be at the close of all of the evidence and not now. All right. Why an opportunity to take a look at Brunette Silvera? So based on that and based on the standard as described, did I have to apply at this point? I'm going to deny the defendant's motion. I don't think I have to object, but I will.

As we say, as we say duly noted. Yes, thank you, Judge. All right. Well, duly noted. As he said, duly noted. So the defense then asked about Dr. Emily Thorndyke. Remember her, TikTok? The TikTok that all of a sudden now the defense,

Reddington wants to be a witness. in this trial. If you do a TikTok, you might end up being, you know, pulled in to court. Anyway, Emily Thorndike has been waiting to testify. The issue was that the parties were still waiting for medical records from McLean Hospital. The judge said those records were important because the attorneys needed an opportunity to review them before questioning the witness. He decided that if the records arrived by the afternoon, they would try to conduct the void year. Otherwise, it will likely happen tomorrow. So after that, the defense began calling its witnesses.

So in other words, now we get to present Lindsay's side, which, by the way, I'm curious how you guys thought the prosecution ended today. It was kind of, I don't know, anyway, I wouldn't have thought that that would be their witness to end on. Nonetheless, the first witness for the defense was Margaret Hampe. And Margaret Hamp is a labor and delivery nurse and Massachusetts General hospital. So Ham told the jury that she had worked in the department at Mass General since 2006, and they started working specifically in the Labor and Delivery Unit in 2012. She knew Lindsay

from the hospital. Lindsay had started working on the labor and delivery floor as a nurse, and HAMP had already been working there when she arrived. Take a listen. Do. How do you know her? I was working on the labor floor when Lindsay first started with us. So this would be the labor and delivery floor and she started as a nurse, correct? Correct. We had already been working there? Correct. And she was about, what, 24 years old?

Roughly. And came in as a young woman as a nurse, correct? Correct. Can you tell us, to your odds, let me ask you this, how many years did you work with her? She started, I believe, in 2015, and I worked until 2002 when she went out with Callan. About seven years or thereabouts. Did you know that she had a child, Cora? Yes.

And did you know that she had a child, Doss? Yes. And ultimately that she had a child baby that was born, very, very recent. Calla. In the years that you were working with her, were you able to observe, I mean, did she like being a nurse? Did she want to work? Was she a good nurse? What's your opinion?

Lindsay loved being a nurse. She was really good at being a nurse. She was compassionate. She was kind. She was a patient advocate. She was the type of nurse that you wanted taking care of you or your loved one. when you walked on to our unit. Did you observe, for example, that on occasion

when she would be involved with the delivery of a baby, that she would become emotional? Lindsay was often emotional during birth of complete strangers. She would cry and she would just say that was so beautiful. You can just tell that she really loved being that setting. Over those years, right up until the time of Callan being born, a fair to say that you stayed friendly with her? Yes. And you're still friendly with her. Yes. Can you tell us, did you observe during the time you work with her, how she emoted or felt about her children, all three of them?

Yes. Tell us anything that you recall. So Lindsay and I worked the night shift together. And often on the night shift, you get to have an opportunity to really get to know your co-workers and celebrate things that are happening in their lives or support them with things that are not going so well. Lindsay asked a lot of questions of her co-workers about parenting. Simple things is she would poll the nursing staff about monogram lunch boxes, right down to sleeping habits. What questions do you ask a daycare provider to make sure that you're in the right place?

She was often asking her coworkers, child care parenting tips. When she had Callum, after Callan was born in the spring, late spring of 22, did you see her after the birth of Callan? I did not see her after the birth of Callum. Were you aware that she had taken a leave of absence from Mass General? Yes. Did you stay in touch with her by phone or text?

I briefly kept in touch through text. After Callen was born, I reached out to her, and I asked her for her address and how she was doing so I could send her a gift. And then a few months later, she circled back to me to thank me for the gift that I had sent her. Do you recall an incident on one occasion where she was looking or monitoring one of the children and the child was crying and you observed what happened after that? Yes. Tell us about that. Lindsay often checked in on her kids while they were sleeping at night.

Again, we worked the night shift and she had the ability to look at her phone and see what Kek-Kor or Kallin were doing in their cribs. And she shared that with a lot of us. There was one particular night that Cora was crying. She was probably about six months old. And Lindsay never let Cora cry. She wasn't at that point in parenting. And she was very communicative about that. And Cora was crying on the monitor.

It was the middle of the night. And maybe after 10 minutes, she started to call Pat and he wasn't answering. And she got really worried that Juan Cora was crying, but now Pat wasn't answering his phone. So in the middle of the night, she called the police to do a wellness check on her family. Okay. And while you were working the night shift, is that pretty much what you both worked together all those years? Yes.

Would that be through the pandemic as well? Yes. Would you say that that was quite a bonding experience being in labor delivery up close? and personal with patients during the pandemic at night? Of course, it was a very challenging time as a health care provider. So as you saw that, I thought it was really interesting where she said she's still still thinks warmly of Lindsay essentially. Did you hear that?

I wonder what the jury's thinking now, right? They'd work together to the pandemic, labor and delivery, right, during all that time, bonding experience. So Reddington has no further questions. Buckingham then takes over for grass-examining. you saw her getting up there. She was taking notes throughout the entire thing. So she's ready for cross. And she began with the incident involving Cora. Hamp confirmed that police had responded to Lindsay's concern that night and that everything was okay. She also said that she had worked with

Lindsay through 2022 until Lindsay went out on leave following Callan's birth. But Hamp had never visited the Clancy home after Callan was born. So that meant she had not personally seen. what Lindsay's life was like during that period, right? Hemp acknowledged that she didn't know what was going on in Lindsay's life after at home and that Lindsay hadn't shared any personal struggles with her through text or any other way. Buckingham then focused on Ham's professional background. As a labor and delivery nurse with previous experience, HAMP had encountered patients dealing with mental health issues and patients taking psychiatric medications.

So she acknowledged that this happened sometimes, right? Her training in dealing with patients taking certain medications was limited, but she understood that medications could affect how the patient's birth plan and delivery were handled. Buckingham specifically asked about Zoloft, and Hamp agreed that it was considered safe for pregnant and breastfeeding mothers. She also had experience with patients dealing with bipolar disorder and agreed that remaining compliant with prescribed medication could be important in managing the condition. And then Redington returned for a brief redirect. Hemp was asked whether she remembered an incident

from Lindsay's early days as a nurse involving a patient who had expressed concerns about hurting herself or her child. Hemp said she did. So take a listen. Were you aware of any incidents where Lindsay was with you? And a woman did in fact express concern that she wanted to hurt herself or her child? There was a particular patient that Lindsay was on staff when this patient arrived. It was a patient that arrived to the unit that had plans to harm herself while she was pregnant. And we had a conversation. Lindsay was brand new.

It was the summer that she had just started. And we had a conversation about mental health in pregnancy and postpartum. And I asked her if she had ever heard of the Andrea Yeats case, and she hadn't. And I explained that to her, and she cried. And she said, how could a mother hurt her children? Thank you. All said. Thank you.

Homo? No. All right. Let me sit down. Wow, and you can see Lindsay looked to be getting emotional there. We heard that at the beginning of this live. There it is again, right? It's just so shocking. Anyway, I want to actually talk about Lindsay's sister, big witness, right?

We are now hearing from Lindsay's own family. So I thought it was interesting, though, that the defense didn't start with her family. I think they wanted, right, a collateral witness, someone outside of the family to first vouch for her. I thought that was interesting, an interesting move. But the next witness is Lindsay's sister Allison. And Allison explained, Alison Osga, when Allison explained that she and Lindsay were very close, even though they hadn't lived in the same state for about 10 years, they stayed in regular contact through texting and occasionally talked on the phone. Reddington took Allison back to the fall of 2022, particularly Thanksgiving and Christmas. Allison had known through their text

conversations that Lindsay was not doing well, but Thanksgiving was the first time she had seen her in person in quite a while. And what Allison noticed immediately was that Lindsay didn't seem like herself. Her mood seemed low. She didn't have the same energy. Allison remembered seeing from her in the past. And that continued into December. By the way, I'm petting a dog right now. You see me moving. Our sweet Lily is like, I'm not sitting in the back of right now. I want pets. So Allison said, I'm here. Yeah. Lindsay seemed to have significantly deteriorated by the beginning of the month. She remembered Lindsay telling her something along the lines of, quote, I'm in a really tough spot, end quote. Because Allison already knew Lindsay had been struggling

with her mental health, she had a gut feeling that something was seriously wrong. She asked Lindsay directly if she was safe and Lindsay told her she was. Allison also knew Patrick and the children. So she was familiar with the family as a whole, right? Patrick's her brother-in-law. So the children are her niece and nephews. So as Christmas approaches and then a pass, which again is is a month, literally like a month before, you know, before the children are killed. Allison continued talking with Lindsay and described her as someone who was clearly not doing well. So at that point, Alison also began communicating directly with Patrick. Lindsay was telling her that her mood was getting worse and describing what she was experiencing as depression. She was having more suicidal thoughts. Insomnia

continued to be a problem when Allison and Lindsay simply didn't feel like herself anymore. Allison said that about Lindsay, that she didn't feel like herself anymore. Also during this time, Allison knew Lindsay was seeing doctors. The first thing Lindsay had told her about medical treatment went back to October when she said she had been prescribed Zoloft and had a very bad reaction to it. Allison did not remember Lindsay giving her the specific doctor's name. And then over the following couple of months, though, Lindsay continued updating her about our medical care. She told Allison about seeing different doctors, trying different prescriptions, exploring different treatments in an effort to figure out what. was happening.

And do you recall when you were talking with her about her symptoms towards the end of December that she had, in your words, decompensated significantly and stated to you that she felt nothing and that she was scared, things of that nature? Yes. What else did she tell you if you recall? At the end of December, so I think it was more along the same of, you know, that she's really not feeling well. mood is down. She's feeling numb. She's feeling hopeless. I believe at the very end of the month, she told me she had had suicidal ideation every day for a month. Do you recall towards the

end of the month around New Year's that she voluntarily admitted herself somewhere? Yes. You know where she admitted herself? McLean Hospital. And while she was at McLean Hospital, ultimately, do you know how she got out of McLean Hospital? It was my husband. It was my understanding that she was weaning off of some medication that she was on and then was eventually discharged five days later. Now, did you see her or talk to her after she left McLean Hospital trying to wean herself off of whatever medication it was? You don't know what the medication is, right? I believe it was Sarah Quill. Did she tell you anything to the effect that when she got out of the hospital, that she felt as though this was a step in the right direction.

Did she seem as though she was trying to be positive about her life? Yes. And tell us about that. Because up until this point, you would observe her decompensating and having these symptoms and suicidal ideation and depression and feeling nothing and scary. Would she get out of McLean? What did she appear to you and what did she say to you? She, I believe she said she felt that that was a good point.

in and that she was starting to feel better. So was your sister, in your opinion, granted she's your sister and you're biased, obviously, but were she a complainer? No. And obviously she didn't share with you in detail her doctors and medicines and things of that nature. Is that fair? No. But you were aware of the struggles and the hurt that she was going through.

Yes. And then through the month of January, did you have occasion to see her or were you? Because you still live in different states? Yes. Yes, I did have an occasion to see her in January. When? We went to Cora's birthday party. And that was at the trampoline park?

Yes. How did she appear at that? I think she looked like she was going through the motions of putting together a birthday party for her daughter. But she looked tired. She looked like she was still struggling. So there was a difference in your observation of what you had known. your sister to have as a personality. Yes.

And then, of course, the horrible day, were you aware? Did somebody call you and tell you that the children had been killed? Yes. One of them still survived and ultimately passed. Yes. And do you recall who told you that? Yes. Who was that?

My mother. And as a result of getting the call from your mother, what did you do? I jumped in the car, packed a bag, and I sped up to South Shore hospital. which is where I was told she was. Did you see her in South Shore Hospital? No. Did you know that she was then transferred to another hospital after South Shore? Yes.

And what hospital was that? I believe it was Brigham and Women's. And were you able to visit her in Brigham and Women's? Yes. And did it take some time before they would allow you to visit with her? Yes. How long if you know? I think it was approximately two weeks.

Okay. And then you were able to see her pretty much on a regular basis? Yes. Where does your mother and father live? In Connecticut. And are you close to them? Yes. Can you tell the jury from the time of this incident in January 24th of 2023,

up until now, 2006, where has your mother and father been living? My parents have been spending the majority of their time up here in Massachusetts. Why? So that they could visit Lindsay as much as possible. Almost on a daily basis? Yes. Was that under bed and breakfast or a bed and bath or was it a hotel? Where were they staying?

They've been living out of hotels. Thank you. That's all. You can inquire. So on cross-exam, Sprague began by asking about Lindsay's time at McLean Hospital. Sprague wanted to know whether Lindsay had told Allison that she had been asked to be discharged early so she could attend Cora's birthday party. Allison says she could not recall. Sprague then took Allison back to January 25th,

2023, the day after the events at the Clancy home. Allison confirmed that she had spoken with police that day. Investigators had asked her about the last time she had seen Lindsay in person, and Allison recalled telling them that she had seen her roughly two weeks earlier around the time of Cora's birthday party and that Lindsay had seemed okay. Sprague also brought up Allison's description to police of Lindsay. seeming better in the weeks after she was released from McLean. There was some clarification needed here because Allison had apparently described Lindsay's tone as being better. And do you recall speaking to the police on January 25th, just a day after this all happened

back in 2023? Yes. And do you recall telling them that you saw Lindsay two weeks prior to the 24th, roughly around the birthday party time and that she seemed okay? Yes. Do you recall telling the police that you spoke to her and phone calls many times after she was discharged to McLean and that her tone of voice in those calls seemed better?

I did not speak to her on the phone. Most of our communication was via text. So you don't recall saying that to the police that the tone of Lindsay's voice in our phone conversations was better the last couple weeks since she had been released from the hospital? I believe when I said that, I meant her tone via her text messages. And so her tone and her text messages was better? A bit.

And do you recall telling police that you spoke to Lindsay on Thursday, January 19th, 2023, and she seemed okay? Yes. And that was a phone call, correct? That was text message. Text message, okay. So when you were saying spoke to the police, it was you were referring to text messages? Correct.

And so in that text message, she seemed fine? she seemed okay so she had just been released from mclean hospital at the beginning of january and all of your communications after the birthday party were text message is that correct i think the dates run i believe so yes just so we make sure we have the date correct after she was discharged from mclean in january of 2023 up until january 24th 2023 all of your communications were via text yes did you visit her at her home down month? No. You didn't reach out or call her at all, correct?

I reached out and called, yes. I did not visit her at her home, no. When you called, did she respond? Did she answer the phone? I'm sorry, let me backtrack. I can't recall whether I made a phone call. I can recall the majority of our communication between January 1st and January 24th was via text message. So there could have been some phone calls? I cannot recall any phone. calls. You are a licensed social worker, correct? Correct. And you're a mandated reporter, correct? Yes. And at any point in time between January 1st, 2023 and January 24th,

2023, did you have enough concern about the safety of the kids or the safety of your sister to file a report as a mandated reporter? No. Thank you. Just right? Well, you have, Judge. Thank you. Well, after that, there. there was no redirect. We left it at that. The next defense witness was Lindsay's own mother. Paula Musgrove. And let me just share, she is there every day with Lindsay's father. They are so dedicated every day. So Paula confirmed that she and her husband, Lindsay's father, have been in court throughout the trial. She described Lindsay as a very good child and an excellent student. According to Paula, Lindsay had done extremely well throughout school, including high school and college.

She also had no history of trouble with law enforcement, school discipline, or anything similar. Like she never got in trouble, in other words. Paula knew Patrick and of course was at their wedding and had been there to support them for their wedding. She said that she was close with both Patrick and Lindsay, and of course, she knew her grandchildren. So when Reddington asked her about her relationship with her grandchildren, Paula became emotional, describing how much she loved them. Tell the jury how you interacted and felt about your grandchildren. I love my grandchildren with all my heart, and you never know what it's like to love a grandchild until you become a grandmother. And it was the most beautiful thing.

I love them with all my heart. Now, did you have occasion to see how Lindsay reacted and treated her kids as a mother? Yes. And granted that you're her mother, so you're obviously biased. Tell the jury what observations you made of Lindsay as a mother through the years after Cora was born, and then Dawson, and then, of course, baby calendar.

Lindsay was a very loving mother. She was dedicated to her children. She was a fun mother. She was always doing things for her kids. She always wanted to be a mother, have many children, and I felt it was the best thing that ever happened to her, and she would do anything for her children. She was just a loving mother.

now in 2020 Caledon was born is that correct yes did you stay in touch with Lindsay and Pat during that period of time the spring into the summer of 2022 yes how often would you see them or talk to them or what would you do you go to cookouts or do you have parties

or how would you talk to us myself and my husband would travel from Connecticut to Duxbury at least two or three times a month, as well as them coming to Connecticut to visit us. And did you, would you agree that in the summer, for example, of 2022, that Lindsay and Pat were active with the kids and we're pretty happy? Very happy, yes. Did you observe in the summer of 22 any changes at that point in her personality and the way she was acting with her friends and in society. In the summer, no. And they were having a fairly good, good summer. Yes.

Did you notice at some point a change in Lindsay's demeanor? Yes. I'll tell the jury when that was. It was sometime probably around the second week of October. What happened that you noticed? I noticed that she had become very anxious. She was, she told me she was anxious about about going back to work because Callan was having trouble taking a bottle and she didn't feel right about leaving him. And as a result of that, did she tell you that she was going to put off going back to work? Yes, she told me she was applying for an extension. Now, did you know at that point that she was going through any issues involving depression

or anxiety or having any suicidal ideation or anything like that? At that point, no. At what point, if any, did you become aware that your daughter was suffering from this symptom of her? In late October. And how did that come about? She sent me a text message. And do you recall when that was? Yes, that was on October 20th.

Now, Your Honor, the government has introduced into evidence the entire of the phone dumps, if you will, and I think they put it on a disk, and it's probably thousands of pages. but I do have the text thread that deals with that time frame in October. I'd like to offer that so that it's apparent what I'm referring to rather than having to search through thousands of pages of a desk. Now the text message that you're referring to, would that be on October 20th of 2022? Yes.

And do you have that on your phone right now? I do. Can you just pull that up for us? I can. Just give me a moment. Okay, I have it. Tell me, do you have a copy maybe that she could look at? Oh, I have a copy. Yeah, that might be easier for the witness.

So I'm going to approach you with this board and ask if this is a copy of the text that you're referring to. Yes, it is. Would you read that for the jury? Mom, will you please come up and stay? with me for a bit. I'm really sick. Something is wrong. I had horrible insomnia all night, and I just don't know how I'm going to get through the day. I started taking the medicine, my doctor prescribed for anxiety, and I think it's made things worse. It's just really scary, and I don't want to be alone.

You want to write, Dr. objection. Sorry, in evidence. What we're marked for identification. Is that text within the the I know you would but we already have the no we're going to mark that for identification the text that is been referred and read to is within exhibit 276 which was just off I'm sorry what I think was it within exhibit 276 which was just offered I think was it within exhibit 276 which was within that thread that you just offered okay so So I will then, that would be 276, so that will be over here. As a result of receiving that text, did you then come up to? Hold on a second. Exhibit W.

Yeah, okay. Oh, thank you. All right. Thank you. So as a result of that, did you come up to Duxbury? Yes, same day. And tell us about that. What happened that day at the end of October?

Lindsay had been I believe she went to the emergency room that day and she had come home she was feeling a bit better she told me that she couldn't sleep she was very anxious and she was afraid and how long did you stay with her? At that point

I believe at that point I stayed for about a week And was your husband with you? He came later. He didn't come direct me with me then because he was still working. So he came later. I never asked. What did you do for work?

I worked for Weight Watchers. And you're retired? Yes. How about your husband? Is he working now? He recently retired. And what was the nature of his work? He was in photography.

What kind of photography? School picture photography. For yearbooks and things like that? Yeah, and school pictures. and you had your kids' pictures taken. And he just recently retired. Yes. Is it fair to say that during the month of October into November,

into the holidays in December, that you and your husband would stay with Lindsay and the kids? Yes. I stayed more than my husband because he needed to go back home to work. Sure. While you were staying with Lindsay, can you tell us your opinion as to her condition? Was it decompensating?

Was she getting better as time went on through November and December into the holidays? Through November into December, it was not getting better and into the holidays. And you knew she was on medication at that point? Yes. You knew she was seeing doctors at that point? Yes. So tell us, is there an incident that came to your mind that you recall that occurred on one evening that indicated to you how seriously she was suffering? There were many. One particular evening that was disturbing to me was that, I mean, she was afraid, she was afraid to be alone, and she actually asked if she could sleep with me. When was that?

That was late November, early December. And did she indeed sleep with you on that occasion? She did. Continuing on through the holidays, did you guys get together for the holidays, Christmas, or Thanksgiving, if you were. recall? Yes. I was down there probably most of December through Christmas Eve, and then I left on Christmas Eve to come home to see my other daughter and her family. And then Lindsay actually came to my house later the day on Christmas Day. Was she with Pat? Yes. Okay, and the kids? Yes. During that period of time, did you make further observation as to

went into January. Oh, back it up. At some point, she voluntarily went into McLean Hospital. Yes. You knew that? Yes. How did you know that? I was there.

What do you mean you were there? I was at Lindsay's house staying with them. You take care of the kids? Yes. And it's fair to say that Pat's parents, mom and dad also stepped up, taking care of the kids, helping out during this period of time.

They were there, I guess, when we weren't there. I didn't really see them, but... Right, because you guys would be different time. Right. But you were all pulling together as a family, is that correct? January, leading up to January 24th, do you recall, and can you tell the jurors, what, if any, observations you made of Lindsay and her condition?

Lindsay had lost a lot of weight. She had become, during this whole time, paranoid about, different things that really she shouldn't have really weren't logical to become paranoid about. She would mention that this wasn't her mind. She would say to me, this isn't me, I've never been like this before.

And I would agree because she wasn't. She was attempting to go through the motions of her day, take care of the kids as best she could. She stopped, she didn't want to drive. So at times when Pat didn't go pick the kids up at school, I would drive Lindsay to pick the kids up at school because she was afraid to drive. Did she express to you concern that in this time frame

that people at the school teachers and other people would be able to know what she was thinking and would think that she wasn't a good mother because she was sick? Yes. She said, the school knows something's going on because I'm not driving my car. They see that I'm not driving my car to pick the kids up. Do you recall the end of January that she made a statement to you about the medication in her opinion what it was doing to her mind?

Yes. What did she say? She said that she couldn't remember anything. The medication was pretty much just destroying her mind, and it wasn't her. She said, this isn't me. I just want to feel better and enjoy my kids again. Now, I know that this is difficult in December of 2022. Do you recall the time that you were in the kitchen with Lindsay and Patrick,

and she made a statement about her state of mind to her husband, Pat, and you were there? Yes. I know it's difficult. Just tell us what you remember. I remember her being very nervous. I remember her saying, I just have to tell you guys something. And then she told us. What did she tell you?

She told us that she had thoughts of harming the children. Thank you very much. Heartbroken for the grandmother of those babies. So after that, the judge called for the afternoon recess. Sprague began her cross-examination by returning to the December conversation where Lindsay had told Paula and Patrick that she had thoughts of harming the children. Paula could not pinpoint exactly when in December that conversation happened. She estimated it was sometime in the middle or early, maybe part of the month,

possibly a little earlier. Sprague asked whether she and Patrick had followed up with Lindsay. about what she meant when she said that she was having those thoughts. Paula remembered Patrick asking whether Lindsay felt like she couldn't be alone with the children. And according to Paula, Lindsay said no. Despite hearing that Lindsay was having thoughts about harming the children, Paula testified that she never considered having her committed to a psychiatric facility. She also never considered bringing Lindsay to Connecticut to stay away from the children. When asked whether she was concerned for the children's safety at that point, Paula said she wasn't because she was there with Lindsay.

The questioning then went back to October text messages. So Sprague really focused on the October 19th message when Lindsay had asked her mother if she would consider coming to stay with them for a few days at the time to help with child care. So Lindsay could work, talk to a therapist, and do some thinking. Lindsay had said that she thought going back to work might help her, but the nurse's hours made child care difficult. Paula remembered agreeing that she could come and help. The next day, October 20th, Lindsay sent the message asking her mother to come

because she was feeling very sick, had barely slept, believed something was wrong and didn't want to be alone. Paula said she went to Duxbury that same day. There was some uncertainty about exactly how long Paula stayed. During that particular visit, she had previously estimated about a week, but Sprague pointed,

to another text from October 24th when Paula asked Lindsay how things were going, and Lindsay responded good. Paula acknowledged that she must have been home by then, but she couldn't remember the exact timeline. She explained that she had been going back and forth so many times during this period that the individual visits are jumbled in her memory. It's very clarified that Paula would go help when she was needed and then return home when things had settled down. Paula said that wasn't exactly how she would describe it.

She also did not independently remember the October 24th message, but when Sprague showed her the text, she agreed that Lindsay had said that she was doing good that day. Sprague then returned to another incident Paula had described during direct examination. The night when Lindsay was afraid to be alone and ultimately slept with her mother. Paula said that wasn't the October 20th visit. She believed it happened sometime in the latter part of November or possibly early December. When Sprague asked why Lindsay had been afraid to be alone, Paula could not give a specific explanation beyond what Lindsay herself had told her. She said that Lindsay was afraid to be alone

and believed she might not be able to sleep. Even with that concern, Paula said that she didn't consider having Lindsay committed and did not feel the need to call 911 or get her immediate assistance. Sprigg then moved into January and the observations Paula had described about Lindsay losing weight, becoming paranoid, struggling to get through her daily routine. Paula couldn't say exactly how many times she saw Lindsay during January because, again, she and her husband were going back and forth between Connecticut and Massachusetts. From there, Sprigg began going through the January text messages between her and Lindsay using Exhibit 238. The first set came from January 4th the day before Lindsay was discharged from McLean. Lindsay had texted her mother that she thought she was coming home

the following evening. She explained that she had spoken with her doctor and had arranged. She had arranged a follow-up appointment with another psychiatrist for Friday morning. Paula remembered receiving those messages and confirmed she was staying at the house and helping with the children at that point. Sprague then asked about Cora's birthday party on January 7th. Paula didn't attend because she was taking care of Callan at the house. So when asked when she eventually went home, Paula could not remember on her own, but a January 7th text appeared to show Lindsay messaging her at 702 that evening asking, make it home, make it home with a question mark. And Paula responded, yep, looking at that

exchange, Paula agreed it made sense that she had gone home around then. So, Spray continued through the messages from January 8th. Paula had asked Lindsay how things were going. And Lindsay responded that she was doing good and was going to the Museum of Science. Lindsay also told her she had slept well with Les Adavin. The same pattern continued with the January 10th messages. Paul had checked in the morning asking how Lindsay was doing. Lindsay said she was at the gym with the kids and described her sleep as pretty good, not perfect, but enough. So when Paula asked whether she was feeling any better during the day, Lindsay said she was feeling a little better and explained that being off Syracquil seemed to be helping. Paula did not remember that exact exchange,

but explained that she and Lindsay have been texting almost every day, sometimes several times a day so that individual conversations didn't necessarily stand out in her memory. But she agreed that if those messages were in the records, then they had exchanged them. Take a listen. And then there were further text messages that day where you say, how was your day later on in the day? And she said it was good, played with the kids a lot, were able to go outside, Kingsbury Club and gymnastics,

kept them busy and me too. So do you remember her talking to during that time about going to gymnastics and going to the Kingsbury Club and things like that with the children? I don't remember the specific text, but I do remember her doing things with the children. Yes. Then on January 11th, the following day, you sent a text.

Excuse me. How are you feeling today? And she responded with a photo of Callan drinking out of a Mary Luce cup, saying we have another Mary Luce fan. And you said, DeKath looks like he's enjoying it. And then later on, you asked again, how are you doing today? And she said, hi, Mom, doing all right. Nothing new really just taking it day by day.

You said, still feeling a little better. and she said a little bit, you said sleeping okay. She said, not great last night because Corr was up with a bellyache. Do you remember that? So again, we texted so many times daily, twice daily, maybe three times daily. So I can't say that I remember the specific text. I do remember the picture of Carolyn with the Mary Loucaf because that stands out in my mind. But the specific text going back and forth, we just did it so often that I can't say I remember the specific text you're reading back.

to me. But again, if they were there, then we shot them. Right. And do you remember her, Lindsay, talking to you about Cora having stomach issues during the month of January? Yes. And belly aches off and on. Yes. And then January 13th, again, you're checking in with her. Hi, Lindsay. How are you today? She said, hi, Mom, pretty good today. How about you? You asked about the little ones. And she said, all good. Went to the gym this morning, just hanging out. And now they have no school today. And then the following day, again, you're checking in. Hi, Lindsay.

How's your Saturday going? She said, hi, Mom. It's going well, just hanging out. It's yucky here. So these are like daily check-ins that you're doing, checking in on her, seeing if she's okay, seeing if she's feeling better, seeing if she's sleeping well, things like that, right? Yes. You also ask her that day on the 14th, do you feel any different since being off the

Sarahquil? She says, not as much as I was hoping going to talk to my psychiatrist. actress about it on Monday. You say, but some. She says a little, but I still don't feel like you, but then she corrects it to me. And you ask her if she's going to be able to get outside of the kids today, and she said she's going to try.

So similar conversations to that where you're talking about medication and how she's doing on the medication? Yes. Then the following day, on the 15th of January, you say, good morning. Is it a good morning for you today? She says, good morning. it's pretty good going to an indoor water park.

And she tells you that it's at the Cape Codder. Do you remember them going to the Cape Codder water park? I do remember them going there, yes. And then the following day on the 16th, you actually texted her, how was the water park yesterday? She said it was fun, Corrin Dawson enjoyed. Callan didn't know what to think of it. Couldn't get any picks because it was too hectic,

keeping track of them in the water and stuff. And it was busy, but it was a good time. So that sound familiar, that they had a good. time that day. And you asked her that day if she had anything planned and she said Pat took course skiing so she was hanging with the boys. Do you remember that? Not specifically. I don't remember that text. She, that same day, sent you some photographs of Dawson doing a drawing of a firefighter and Callan. Do you remember those receiving those? I do remember the pictures, yes. Then the following day, again, you're checking in every day. You say you're feeling better. She says

a little bit. You said still taking the same medication. She said, yes, about to have an appointment with her psychiatrist. You said, let me know how it goes. And she said, okay. And then she responds back after her appointment. She recommended another antidepressant, since my mood is still very low off the Sarahquil. You asked her how she felt about it. And she told you she just wants to feel like herself again, but she's up for trying it. And she just wants to get back to who she was, right? And she told you it was amatryptylene. Is that right? Do you remember that?

I don't remember the medication. Then on the 18th, January 18th, again, you're reaching out, and she says, Hi, Mom, I'm doing all right. How about you? And you say, you're good. You're thinking about visiting that weekend. And she says, that sounds good. And you ask her about being able to get out and exercise.

And she said she's been walking on the day. treadmill at the gym for exercise. And you asked her if she started a new medication and if she's feeling better. And she says, feel okay, just not great. I did start it two nights ago. You said, is that the one that takes a while to feel the effects? She said, yep, weeks. And you said, is the okay that you're feeling now better than what you were feeling a few

weeks ago? And she said, yes. Do you remember that? Again, I don't remember the specific text. Just remember texting back and forth daily about how she's feeling, about any, what's different medication-wise. But I can't say I remember that specific text that you're reading me. But again, if they're there, then they were done by us. Right.

And so on the 19th of January, again, you're checking in and say, how are you feeling today? Can you tell if anything's different with the new medication? She says, I'm feeling all right. Nothing new really yet because it takes weeks to really work, but I'm okay. You asked if she's still sleeping well, and she says, decently and the kids get up a lot. So again, more of the same check-ins daily, seeing how she's doing, seeing how she's sleeping, right? And then on the 20th, you reach out as a pizza and movie night.

She says, just pizza and playing. And you tell her you're leaving at nine, bringing dessert for the kids. And she says sounds great. So you're talking about your visit that weekend. Is that right? Yes. And in these texts cry to the. visit, you say that it's been a while since you've seen them. So it sounds like from these texts,

you're checking in with her every day from January 7, 23, all the way up to your visit on January 21st. 2023, you're checking in with her. So you're at home in Connecticut from the 7th until the 21st. Correct. And then on the 22nd, that Sunday, Lindsay, Pat and the older kids, they go to the Carney's house for that bonfire and get together and you stayed home with Callan, right? Correct. And then after they get home, you and your husband left, is that correct? Yes. And on the way home, you texted on January 22nd, 2020, 23 at 7.55 p.m., enjoyed seeing everyone this weekend.

Nice to see you doing better. Is that correct? If that's what that says, yes, that's correct. don't exactly remember the text, but yes, if that's what it says, yes. So from your text, not saying she was doing great, but she was doing better than she was, according to your text, or appeared to me. The text from me was meant to encourage her because I didn't think it did any good to discourage her. so the text was not necessarily what I actually observed that weekend,

but it was meant to encourage her because I was encouraging her to do things with the kids to kind of try to get back to normal. So it's not necessarily a representation of exactly what I observed that weekend. But that weekend, she was able to go to a friend's house with the older kids and Pat and spend a few hours there, correct? Correct. And she was able to do activities. hang out with you and your husband. There's a photograph and evidence of the two of you sitting

on the couch smiling and hanging out together. So you were able to interact with her, correct? Correct. The photograph was taken by Cora because Cora wanted to use my phone and take her picture. So Lindsay and I were going to put a smile on our face and take and let Cora take a picture. Yes. But again, there was other observations I made that weekend, but it was not bet I didn't think it was in Lindsay's best interest to discourage her or point out those because she was making every attempt to feel better and to do things to make herself feel better. So as a mother, I was encouraging her. Well, you didn't say, I hope you feel better or you're going to get there or you're doing it.

You actually said, nice to see you doing better, correct? That's what you wrote? Those were my encouraging words, yes. And from January 7th through up through January 22nd, Lindsay repeatedly told you she was doing okay. She was feeling a little bit better. Not completely better, not 100%, but she kept telling you, I feel a little bit better. I feel a little bit better. You even asked her, is the better you're feeling now better than a few weeks ago? And she said yes, correct? That's correct without my observation of her. And what she was responding to you in text, correct?

Correct. You also spoke to the police on January 25, 2023. Do you remember that? I do. Do you remember telling the police that Lindsay seemed to be improving since leaving McLean? I do not recall. I remember speaking to the police. I had just found out what had happened. And I was pretty much in shock. So anything I remember, honestly I remember two things I told the police, anything else that you have there, I must have said.

But I don't recall them. I can on, I've been going through my mind. And honestly, recall, two things I told the police during that interview. I was pretty much in shock. So do you remember telling them that she seemed brighter lately? I don't recall. Thank you. Heartbreaking, just hear Lindsay's mother.

Not only did she lose her four, three grandchildren, she lost her daughter, Lindsay, in a way. She's a loser, but she's in a wheelchair, and she's clearly not home with them, right? So on redirect, Redington went back to the exhibits. It had come up during the state's questioning, started with the October text messages. He wanted to clarify the distinction between exhibits 276 and 277. Paula was shown the October 19th text thread that had been introduced as Exhibit 276, and Redington pointed out that the state had suggested there was something missing from that exhibit when questioning her.

And then he showed her exhibit 277. and had her look at the date on that separate text. Well, the date on Exhibit 277 was October 23rd. Paula agreed that it was a completely different date from the October 19th and 20th text conversation that had been introduced as Exhibit 276. Redington then moved on to the January text messages. Paula had already been questioned extensively about Exhibit 238,

the celebrate extraction containing her January communications with Lindsay, He explained that he had previously attempted to introduce the entirety of the messages between Paul and Lindsay, but there had been an objection and the material had only been marked for identification. He then asked the judge to allow him to reoffer the complete collection of those messages into evidence. Well, at that point, surprised, Judge asked for a sidebar. And this was a very lengthy sidebar, actually. And then after this very lengthy sidebar, Sprague comes back with one more question that she wants to clarify. She went back to Exhibit 271, which contains text messages between Paula and Lindsay from October 23rd and 24th. So Spray clarified that the purpose of those messages was just to establish when she had left Lindsay home during the October visit.

Sprague pointed to the message where Paula asked Lindsay, how are things today? And Lindsay responded that she was doing good. Sprague suggested that this indicated that Paula was no longer staying at the house at that point and Paula agreed. And after that, Paula was excused. Well, the final defense witness of the day was Dr. Michael Wolfovich, an emergency medicine physician who had reviewed Lindsay's medical records and photographs from that horrific day, January 24th, 2023. So Reddington establishes his expertise, his background, board certified in emergency medicine, primarily works at Newton Wesley Hospital, and also works additional shifts at Emerson Hospital. So for this case, he had reviewed photographs from the crime scene, Lindsay's records from South Shore Hospital, and records from Brigham and Women's Hospital, and records from her hospitalization there. He then went through what Lindsay's condition looked like. when she first arrived at South Shore. Her Glasgow Coma Scale, or also known as GCS, I know that well,

it was a 10. Reddington stopped him to explain what that actually meant. So the doctor described the scale as a way for doctors to measure how responsive a person is, including whether they open, their eyes can speak and follow commands and move appropriately. A GCS of 10 indicated that Lindsay was not very responsive. The doctors were concerned about her ability to protect her airway, so she was intubated, placed on a ventilator, and sedated. She was also severely hypothermic. Her core temperature was approximately 82 degrees, which Dr. Wolfovich described as severe hypothermia. She was tachycardic, meaning her heart rate was elevated, hypotensive, meaning her blood pressure, was abnormally low. Sal Shor worked to stabilize her. They intubated her, obtained imaging, gave her

medications to sedate her, to raise her blood pressure, and began rewarming her. So ultimately, the trauma team determined she needed a higher level of care and arranged for her to be flown to Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston. Reddington then went through the injuries documented in her medical records. There were lacerations on both wrists, along with multiple superficial lacerations. She also had multiple superficial injuries on her neck, as well as two deeper lacerations on the sides of her neck. Dr. Wolfovich explained the distinction between those injuries.

Superficial lacerations generally involved the surface of the skin without going through its full thickness. The deeper injuries had gone through the skin into the underlying fatty tissue, but he said there was no indication that deeper structures had been injured. Redington asked about Dr. Wolfovich's experience treating suicide attempts involving cutting. He testified that he had treated patients who had attempted suicide in that manner multiple times. Reddington then tried to have him characterize Lindsay's injuries as consistent with a suicide attempt, but the judge sustained the state's objection. Siding with the state there. So Redington rephrased the question, asking whether the injuries appeared to have had an actual impact on Lindsay's body.

So then Dr. Bolfovich agreed that they did, describing the injuries as consistent with self-injurious behavior. He added that he could not determine the person's intent from the injuries alone. The wrists had two full thickness lacerations, one on each side. The doctor explained that these went through the epidermis and dermis and into the fatty tissue beneath. He was also asked about what are sometimes called the hesitation wounds. He explained that these are generally more subtle or superficial injuries, and there were multiple such injuries on Lindsay's neck and wrists. He also testified that there were no injuries to the vascular structures in the wrist

and no penetration of the fascia. But the medical record showed significant trauma injuries beyond the cuts. Take a listen. So when you say superficial lacerations and then deeper lacerations, do you recall, what's the standard? What do you look for in something like that? So, Seth, everybody will describe them a little bit differently. In her case, I would describe multiple superficial lacerations, which would typically mean

kind of scrapes on the surface of the skin, nothing that actually gets through the full thickness of the skin. And then she also had full thickness lacerations, meaning that she made it all the way through the skin into the subcutaneous tissue, the fatty tissue. And then you would need to describe it further if any additional structures were injured, which in her case, they were not. Now, in your experience for a number of years, in the emergency room have you had occasion to treat people that have tried to commit suicide or

successfully committed suicide by cutting their throat multiple times multiple times and can you tell us in your opinion to a reasonable degree of medical certainty sir as to whether or not this injury or these injuries that you observe were consistent with what you've seen in other suicide attempts sustained well can you tell us did that look like a effort to pretend or fake of suicide? Sustained. Well, when you looked at the injuries, did you make a determination that they appeared to have some impact on the human body of Ms. Clancy?

Yes. What was that? They were consistent with self-injurious behavior. The intent, I can't gauge, but. Okay. Okay. Yep. Thank you.

How about the wrist? What did you observe about the wrist injuries, sir? So she had two full thickness lacerations, one on the left, one on the right. What does that mean? It means that she made it all the way through the epidermis and the dermis, which is what makes up the skin and the wrist, and into the fatty tissue, which is the next layer. Okay. Are you familiar in your experience, sir, with hesitation wounds in a suicide attempt? Yes, to some extent.

What does that mean? means typically that they're more kind of subtle, weaker attempts to hurt yourself, not necessarily anything that's going to be deep to the structures of the skin, but more just scrapes along the surface. Okay, and you notice some of those on the neck area as well, is that correct? There are multiple of those on both the neck and the wrists. As it relates to the injuries to the risk, the wrists, did you observe any vascular structures or penetration of the cervical strike that the fascia?

There was not. Okay. What other injuries did you recall from reviewing the medical records? So she also had multiple fractures in her cervical spine, which are the vertebrae that make up her neck, including what's called the burst fracture of C1 and then other factors of C4. She also had fractures of multiple levels of the thoracic spine. I believe she had multiple transverse process tractors on both the right and left. What does that mean transverse fractions?

Transverse processes are lateral projections, basically projections that go sideways off of the bone that allow the ribs to articulate, connect with the spine, and they also allow muscles to connect, and they help support the basically overall ring structure of the spinal canal. And was she then transported by mid-flight or life flight to a Boston hospital? hospital? She was. What does that tell you as an emergency surgeon when someone's transported by med flight or life flight? Typically means that her injuries are felt to be severe enough that she needs immediate intervention and further treatment that the hospital that is basically necessitating the transport is saying that they cannot provide at their facility. She was then transported to what

hospital? Brigham Women's Hospital in Boston. She was admitted to what unit? Surgical ICU. And you had a chance to review all those? medical records as well. I did. Does she suffer a particular event that night that you recall from looking at the records? She did shortly after arriving in the surgical ICU. It sounds like they were moving her. And when they moved her, you noticed that her blood pressure dropped, her pulse became faint. And subsequently, she actually suffered a complete cardiac arrest and required two rounds of cardiopulmonary resuscitation with compressions and medications before she was able to be revived.

And she also, to your knowledge, had suffered significant hemorrhage and had to have a fairly massive blood transfusion? Yes. They placed chest tubes, which are basically plastic tubes, that go into the chest cavity on both sides, and had about 300 cc's of blood come out from each side. And there was also noted to be significant hemorrhage around the spine and into the mediusinum, which is the portion of the chest

that houses a lot of the organs like your esophagus, your trachea, blood vessels, that kind of thing. Now, if there's a fracture or a serious fracture to, I believe it's C1, does that interfere possibly with a person's ability to breathe? It does. How does that work? So if you have a fracture that affects the spinal cord above a certain level, typically above the third cervical vertebrae, it basically removes your ability to initiate breathing on your own, your third, fourth and fifth cervical vertebrae, the nerves that lead from there are the ones that are responsible for telling your diaphragm to go up and down and help you breathe. And so if you lose the ability to send that signal down to your diaphragm, you lose the ability to breathe.

There was an interesting witness. The defense then established the mechanism of Lindsay's injuries. So according to the medical history, Lindsay had gone out the second story window, struck the ground. He testified that the fall was consistent with her injuries, right? Documented in her medical records. Reddington asked, you know, if he felt like the effect of all of her injuries with self-harm, as we know, they objected. We've seen Redington doesn't like these sidebars. And he knowingly said he'd rather just withdraw the question

so that they didn't have to do a sidebar. Now, with your experience, sir, with, as you indicated, dealing with people in the emergency room and treating people that have been involved. with sequential acts of self-harm, do you have an opinion to a reasonable degree of medical certainty as an emergency board certified physician as to the effect of the combination of the multiple sequential injuries that you saw? I see counsel at side by just. I can withdraw it, Judge.

I'll withdraw it. Thank you very much. So that was essentially it for Dr. Wolfovich. And there was no cross-examination from the state, which I thought was interesting. They were like, yeah, we got ours, ours in. We won't, we won't cross-examine him. And with that, court ended for the day. So I want to share a few things.

I'm going to share something. Because I think a lot of us have thought about this when it comes to like, she did share at some point that she had thoughts, just thoughts of harming the children, which if someone's a good mother, you think, how strange, right? Like, what's going on? Well, oh, and thanks for sharing Dr. John's content on this. Yeah, Dr. John, my co-host, husband, criminal and clinical psychologist. So I just want to share, how did the husband and mother miss the biggest red flag either. She had thoughts. And then it says a lot of women who share their postpartum stories say they have delusions around spouses and others. So a personal experience

from me is I had a, I had a friend, this is like 15 years ago, asked me to come out because she was struggling after a birth of one of her babies. And I went out there. He didn't really know what to do because I wasn't a mother myself. I probably wasn't the greatest help. But it was clear to me when I went out there that she had postpartum depression. She was in complete denial of it. She had people coming over saying, you're having this. It was clear to me. And she was like, no, I'm not.

I'm not. I can't believe you're saying that to me. And a night nurse was quickly brought in so she could sleep. And she admitted that she had thoughts of harming. I'm just sharing this to me. I'm just like processing it with all you, but never in my mind did I think she's going to do that. I didn't know about that. I didn't think.

So I just thought, oh, that's so sad something's wrong with her brain. But I never thought that her thought in her thought she meant she would actually do it. And she didn't do it. She didn't do that. And mom, mom and baby are good. And she now realizes she had severe postpartum depression now. admits it. And I was probably terrible help for her. But I just feel like I need to share that like personal experience because when I'm seeing all these comments going, was that not the

biggest red flag? What the hell? Because there are problems. And you're thinking, well, I've had someone tell that to me and never did it cross my mind that she was actually capable or would. It was more if she was sharing a thought that like, yeah, I have thoughts. I have the thoughts of my child, you know, being harmed or or that this would happen to my child. I guess I feel like I just want to honestly say that because I'm questioning myself and what I didn't do, you know, but, but help was brought in more help than I was. And night nurse was brought in and, and they got her through. And so I want to say this too. When I saw this from, Rebecca, a lot of women who share their postpartum stories have delusions around, around spouses

and others harming their children. Yeah, it's a strange thing. So I don't know exactly what Lindsay said, but I think ultimately they got people to be around her, right? They were trying and brought in some help at times and then probably just could never imagine that she could actually do it. And I also want to share this again. I've shared this several times,

but I'm going to share it one more time because the conspiracy theories around Patrick are just getting kind of bigger and louder and louder when he's already dealing with something so horrific. I heard that 911 call. And so in addition to like, how could you ever not see that red flag? It was clear that Patrick could have never fathomed that Lindsay would do anything to their children. It wasn't crossing his mind at all as he sat there and was trying to help his wife, who he believed to just try to harm herself, he saw that he had to harm herself. He was on the line with 911 helping her because he just assumed his children would be okay in the basement until he got there. And I will never, never forget his

screams, ever. So, anyway, he did not get married four months after this. But you know what? If he did, Hey, but he did it. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know. I mean, I'm kind of ashamed to admit that. I mean, I'm embarrassed to admit that, but someone shared that with me and I didn't do anything. I just thought everything was okay. I just didn't understand this, you know?

So I'm sorry. Yeah, the conspiracy theory is getting louder about Patrick. I just want to say, like, people think that, like, maybe he won't see it or it's just fun in games sometimes. But, like, I'm telling you, he's going to see him. And it makes rumors spread. And he is, I can't imagine his grief. And the way that I think all of us act and talk about him on the Internet is certainly going to help him in the future and any future family he has. So, yeah, and I don't care about his personal life either.

It's his to live. He's suffering a great deal. Anyway, yeah, I'm sensitive to that. I'm sensitive to people repeating conspiracy theories over and over again because there's something called the sleeper effect. And I'm really worried, actually, about information in this modern era because there's something called the sleeper effect where you repeat something over and over and over again. And even though there's no actual little evidence, you hear it enough, people start to believe it's true.

And that is how conspiracy theories almost become facts in people's minds. It's called the sleeper effect. You repeat a lie long enough and it becomes true. It's very dangerous. Very dangerous. It happened to me. So I know how part that is. I think that Patrick is nothing but a grieving father and a very loving husband,

if you want my thoughts about it. And I hope that we can just be a little bit more careful when it comes to how we talk about him because the internet is public, even if it's just among friends, it's everywhere. And one thing leads to another rumor and another room. rumor and then it gets louder and louder and louder. Anyway, I think just the bottom line is you hear a mother who's dealing with postpartum depression say she has thoughts about it. I still don't think anybody's thinking that it's possible.

Right. Anyway, I'll get off my head. Anyway, that's that. But it was heartbreaking, I think, to see the mother on the stand. I think Paula did a wonderful job. she in my opinion overwhelmingly kept it together minus when she had to start talking about her grandchildren they have been there every day in court often with a priest when uh during breaks her sister have been there too not for every day but as much as she can be she was there for the beginning

anyway um yeah miss martin i want to share this actually I hope everyone takes a second for themselves tonight. Make sure you take care for you. That's true too. Yeah, everyone do some self-care tonight. I agree with that. I'm going to do that myself, actually. And I think that a few people in this household are going to do that here.

So this is a really sad trial. 14 days in the prosecution, I don't think the defense is going to be that long, but we are going to be following it. I don't know. The defense is just getting me today. I don't know. I'm going to end this now because, yeah, somehow the defense got to me. I guess when you hear from people's family members, it just becomes more real, you know?

Yeah, I get it. I get it. I'm not proud of. what I just shared with you. I'm just admitting it because I'm trying to process it. And I guess you never know. I wouldn't do that now. If a friend shared that with me today, I would do everything I could and I wouldn't leave the house. But I didn't understand it back then. So, thank you, everyone, for being here. Oh, that's so cool. hear Chris Cuomo communicated pretty bluntly about how stupid accusations regarding Patrick are.

Thoughts good to hear. By the way, Dr. John was a guest on Chris Cuomo months ago. I never mentioned it. But you know what? I'm going to find the link right now. And I have a request that you go and watch John on Chris Cuomo. I mean this sincerely. And leave a kind comment because there was a group effort to do the opposite, because there was just a constant group effort to cancel us. And it's annoying. It's obnoxious. It's like a bunch of fruit flies.

And I never shared this. So everybody, go leave a wonderful comment right here for John. And yeah, maybe I'm a little sensitive to the Patrick stuff because I know what it feels like to have people spread lies about you on the internet. I'll try to put it in the description of this video too. Go to hear a positive comment. And thank you. And especially because I'm so loved to hear that Chris is saying,

standing up for Patrick too. All right. Yeah. Be kind on the internet, people. The internet is the wild place. And I taught a class. a couple years ago to junior high students. I didn't teach a class. It was, it was an assembly. It was a, I was a speaker. And what am I eating? Manuka honey. So good. And I taught them that we are all

journalists today, right? Everyone's a journalist now. Yes, I, you know, I went to school for journalism and I became a journalist, but now we are all journalists and we all have a platform. And so we need to be careful and responsible with that platform. I don't know why I'm talking about this. This was not on my bingo car tonight. So I'm going to shut up and probably regret this and maybe edit it out. But anyway, my thoughts tonight. But you know what? So that you guys know that I'm not just like virtue signaling. I have in I admit I have laughed at some of the very funny TikToks online about this trial. So don't worry. I'm not out there giggling some of the funny things.

So the ribbon in particular. But, okay. So I'm not perfect and I need to be better. All right. I am tired. We are all tired in this household. I'm going to take off. And the public was not allowed to hear the 911 call.

No, I was in the courtroom when they played that 911 call. And I have a video that I record less than an hour after it happened so that I could be fresh and tell you exactly what I saw and heard. And you can go over there and listen to it. I recorded it. I was live on my phone telling you everything that I remembered because it was incredibly traumatic. And I think that if most people heard that call, they would not think that Patrick understood much. We'll see you. We'll see you tomorrow and have a great evening. Do self-care. And, yeah, have fun. Okay, see you. Bye-bye.