Hidden True Crime - Lori Vallow Daybell DESPERATE to Bury Text Evidence — Demands Her Case Be DROPPED!

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

Well, the legal filings just keep coming so Hidden True Crime just keeps bringing you the latest. As of today, there are 3 new motions that have hit the docket as well as 3 new responses from the state. Lauren is here to break it all down for you... Earlier Episode: https://pdst.fm/e/chrt.fm/track/47G541/pscrb.fm/rss/p/mgln.ai/e/433/claritaspod.com/measure/traffic.megaphone.fm/QCD6038215659.mp3?updated=1747939932 Brandon Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnLc7I2gyWtQ2L4_aCtEOlvmFBxegNf56&si=C7anD6LESd2EqUDB “Don’t Flatter Yourself” and “Nonchalant” merch : https://www.bonfire.com/store/hidden-true-crime-limited-merch/ About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at ⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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video, I'll drop the link in the description of this episode because wow, my earlier video today covered Lori's fiery reply to the state's response to her motion. for a mistrial, and she was mad. But wait, there's more. Hidden True Crime has just obtained a fresh stack of court filings, three big motions from Lori, plus the state's equally hefty responses to each. They are all in relation to Lori's upcoming trial next month, her third trial, where she faces charges of conspiracy to commit murder again, but this time the victim, luckily, survived. Her ex, nephew-in-law, Brandon Boudreau, will be testifying about the bullet that shattered his Tesla window, missing him by inches as he pulled into his own driveway. He will be one of the state's

main witnesses. And Lori wants to suppress evidence before heading to court to represent herself once again. And leading the legal parade is Lori's motion to dismiss some very crucial evidence. In this first handwritten motion, we're about to discuss, Lori Wright, quote, Lori Daybell request this court to dismiss the charges. Yes, pause. She is requesting the court dismiss all of the charges, the upcoming charges, the entire charge. And we'll go back to what Lori is writing. This is a handwritten motion again. She says, since the state of Arizona did not preserve the crucial evidence of the car door or the car window of the alleged window, which calls it the alleged window.

It is a violation of the 6th and 14 amendment of the United States Constitution and the defendant's right to due process and the right to a fair trial. The lack of preservation of this crucial evidence is prejudicial to this defendant and to her defense team. The defense has requested of the state the actual door of the car that was allegedly shot and the window of the car door that shattered as a result of the, the alleged gunshot. The defense was informed by the state that they do not have and did not preserve the car door or the car or the window of the car door. Therefore, they are not available to the defense

to do their own independent investigation of these two crucial pieces of evidence in the case. Pause really quickly, Lauren now. In other words, she is saying that she wants to be able to to take this evidence, do her own investigation of this evidence, the car door and the car window, and she can't. Thus, these two crucial pieces of evidence to this case, the defense cannot do their own investigation. She continues, Lori continues, quote, there are nothing but pictures of the car door and the car window. Therefore, the defense and its experts cannot measure or test anything about this alleged shooting. This is a violation of the state precluding the defense from doing an independent investigation of this case.

This is a violation of the defendant's sixth and 14th constitutional rights and calls for dismissal of this case, end quote. So now, the state, they are not having any of this. In their response, they claim that the Gilbert police did not act in bad faith when they did not impound the Tesla, more specifically. But this is how the state response. responds to Lori's motion. They reply, quote, on October 2nd, 2019, Brandon Boudreau was residing at 3875 E. Phelps Street in Gilbert, Arizona. And that morning, he left his residence at approximately

7.25 a.m., took his children to school, dropped off his youngest with his soon-to-be-X-wife, and went to the gym. Around 8.40 a.m., a neighbor was backing out of his driveway. observed a Jeep parked next to Boudreau's driveway. The Jeep was parked so the front of the Jeep was facing the front of the white SUV. The neighbor noted that the Jeep was running, had tinted windows and a Texas license plate. The neighbor had never seen the Jeep before. And then at approximately 8.48 a.m., another neighbor was walking his dogs when he saw a Jeep parked with the front of the Jeep facing the front of a white van in front of Boudreau's residence. The neighbor noticed the Jeep was running and that the driver's seat was pushed all the way forward

to the steering wheel and that he could not see the back of the Jeep due to the tinted windows. Boudreau returned home at approximately 9.13 a.m. And as he approached his driveway, he slowed as his Tesla began opening the garage door. door. As Boudreau slowed, he noticed a Jeep parked next to his driveway. Boudreau watched as the rear window of the Jeep lifted up and a rifle barrel pointed out of the rear window. Boudreau heard a loud bang and his driver's side window shatter. Boudreau hit his gas and drove away from his house. Budro called 911 and returned to his house. And when Boudreau put his Tesla in park, the driver's door automatically opened and the driver's side glass window fell out of the frame and onto the

driveway. When police arrived, they noticed the hole in the driver's door frame and the driver's side glass laying on the driveway. Police recognized the hole as being made by a bullet. Gilbert police detectives went to the scene, took photographs of the street where the shooting occurred, the glass in the street, the white van and area around the white van that was mentioned by neighbors, the Tesla in the driveway of 3875 East Phelps Street, the gunshot hole in the doorframe of the Tesla and the driver's side window that was laying in the driveway. The police also took photos of the Tesla with a trajectory rod in the bullet hole and the bullet fragments that they collected from the doorframe. The Gilbert Police Report and impound sheets

showing that the Tesla and driver's side window were not impounded was disdive. disclosed to the defendant on December 12, 2023. And on October 2nd, 2019, Lori Valo and her co-conspirator, her brother, Alex Cox, were living in Rexburg, Idaho. In the days leading up to October 2, 2019, Lori Valo provided her deceased husband's 2018 Jeep Wrangler to her co-conspirator Alex Cox to Arizona to shoot Brandon Boudreau.

Before Alex Cox drove to Gilbert, Arizona, he took the 2018 Jeep Wrangler to a tint shop in Rexburg, Idaho, to tint the windows so that no one would see him in the rear of the Jeep as he lay in wait for Brandy Boudreau to return home. And on October 1st, 2019, Lori Vallow, the defendant, rented a storage unit in Rexburg, Idaho. And while Alex Cox was driving the Jeep to Arizona to shoot Boudreau, Lori Vallow stored the Jeep's spare tire and rear bench seat in her storage unit. While Alex Cox was committing this shooting in Gilbert, Arizona, Lori Vallow Dabell was in possession of her co-conspirator's cell phone in Rexburgh, Idaho. And on October 2, 2019, at 8.02 a.m., the defendant, use the co-conspirator's cell phone to call her cell phone to make it appear that her co-conspirator

was still in Rexburg, Idaho at the time of the shooting, end quote. Wow. The state then cited case law before ending by saying, quote, the defendant can argue that the police were negligent in not impounding the Tesla and or glass, but there is no bad faith in their decision not to impound the vehicle. No amount of testing of the Tesla by an expert would provide evidence that would exonerate the defendant from the action she was taking to aid her co-conspirator from Rexburg, Idaho. The defendant has had the police reports that show the Gilbert police did not impound the Tesla since December 12, 2023. The defendant has failed to show any bad faith on the part of the Gilbert police in their decision not to impound the Tesla or the glass window.

The United States Supreme Court has held that, quote, failure to preserve useful evidence, end quote, does not violate the defendant's due process rights. And here, the Giller police failed to preserve evidence that has extremely limited evidentiary value and no value to exonerate the defendant's actions that were occurring in another state. Therefore, the state requests this court deny the defendant's motion to dismiss, end quote. what a motion by defendant Lori Valo and what a response by the state but that is not all up next hit the docket today as well Lori's motion to preclude all evidence of phone data and text messages relating to Alex Cox so first she tried to just dismiss the charges but somehow I guess she's also saying and

if we're not going to do that we need to preclude all evidence of phone data and text messages relating to Alex Cox. She wants to silence her brother and co-conspirator Alex Cox from beyond the grave. It's handwritten this motion and let's unpack it now. Lori writes, quote, pursuant to the rule 801C hearsay, rule 801D, procedural rule or context statute hearsay is inadmissible unless it is defined by non-hearsay under rules of evidence rule 803 in order for text messages to be relevant, it must establish the defendant's intent, knowledge, and absence of mistakes. So I guess text typos. The alleged co-conspirator is deceased. Therefore, the state cannot establish Alex Cox's intent, knowledge, or absence of mistakes, end quote. Now, honestly,

when I read this, I wonder if she has a point. I'm not an attorney. Alex Cox is not here to establish intent or correct the absence of his mistakes in his text. Then Lori jumps to some legal jargon in this handwritten motion, or should I say Laura Lee's. So under the section, she has labeled as facts, it reads quote, and I'm just going to read them all. A, an old said, telephone messages are inadmissible. B, federal wiretap act, S-C-A-E-C-P-A-U-S-C-A-C-A-C-C-A-C-C-A-C-C-C-A-C-C-C-C-U-S-C-C-C-U-S-C-C-E

Constitution, Article 3, State Invasion, Privacy, Act Prohibit, Unlawful Access to Storage, Electronic, Oral Communications, Re, Facebook. C. TORTS. IPA bars reading or attempt reading of any message, 18 U.S.CA, 25121A. The data contained is unreasonable servers. Web hosts are overseen breaching foreign treaties. And in response to Metapixels or pixels that track IP addresses and devices, they violate USCA Constitution Article 3. E, search warrant application for location information violates pen register and tap and trace, sell site location info, store communication act. SCA does not permit government to obtain requested ping warrant,

end quote. So after she writes all of that out, Lori goes on to write in quote, in Homestead proves under wiretap act, the telephone messages cannot be intercepted. A warrant cannot be provided. In Riley, data goes to cloud computing and server. Server connects to webhost, which most are foreign entities. Webhosts opens to pixel. Pixel tracks the device. Servers, webhost, pixels, data and cloud computing would take numerous court orders. Therefore, the data, according to Lori, was illegally obtained, she writes. And according to Riley v. California, it says, here say anyways. Also, if the state is using geofencing from Google or location history directly from the account, the state still, and by the way, this is handwritten.

So I want to emphasize that still is all caps and underlined. So I'll go back a little bit. So location data directly from the account, the state still underlying caps cannot determine who was in control of the device at all time. So any data obtained would be pure caps speculation as to an actual person's location. A phone is a small device that could be picked up by any person and transported by any person. The state has made caps and underlined no determination to the defense that any data turned over to the defense regarding Alex Cox. is actually data from Alex Cox. And any person who knows your email address could purchase a cell phone and attach your email address to it. The defense request this court preclude all evidence

of phone data regarding Alex Cox in this trial for all of the reasons stated above. End quote. Before I switched to Wellfront, my APY was probably 0.1. Once I switched to Ching, with a Wellfront cash account earn up to 4.2% APY on your cash. I can trust. Wellfront is taking care of me. Make your money earn more. Get started at Wealthfront.com. Clients were paid $1,000 for their testimonials, creating a conflict of interest. Howcomes vary. 3.3%. 3.3% base API as of January 30th, 2026, is representative variable and earned on funds swept to program banks.

0.65% new client boosts for three months on up to $150,000. Direct deposit $1,000 a month and fund an investing account for a 0.25% increase. Cash account offered by Wealthfront Brokerage LLC, member FINRA, SIPC, not a bank. Now, first off, Lori is right that no one can prove that it was Alex Cox at the They can only prove that his maybe phone was at the location. But that is how they testify to it in court. I have now been to two of Lori's trials about to head to her third one to report every night to all of you of what's going on.

And when they have testimony from expert witness about these cell phone pings, they very clearly refer to them as phone numbers in specific cell phones. that are at the location. It's up to the jury to decide if that evidence means that perhaps Alex Cox was at the location. They can describe what they think maybe happens, but you're right. They cannot say that Alex Cox was there. But I also don't think that means that this should not be evidence at all. But let's see how the state response, because that came down the docket too.

And I love that. I love when the motion comes down, followed by the state's report. lie because we've got them both. Let's see what they say. Because they, the state is obviously asking the court to deny Lori's motion. They want the phone data in the trial. It's evidence. They need this evidence for the trial. And in their response, the state writes, quote, The state of Arizona, through underscine counsel, request this court deny defendant's motion to preclude text messages, iCloud data, cell phone data, and Homer J. Maximus at gmail.com,

Google location data. And for those new to this case, that is Alex Cox's one of his email addresses. Homer J. Maximus at gmail.com. Rumor has that he liked the Simpsons. So here we are. Homer J. Maximus. So they want to be able to use his location data. This, the state continues, quote,

this evidence and data were obtained pursuant to search warrants and the text messages are admissible pursuant to Arizona rules of evidence, rule 801D, 2A and E, a statement by the party opponent. On October 10, 2019, Gilbert Police Department obtained search warrant for Verizon number 480 and I I actually xxx 96x 91 20 on December 3rd 2019 Gilbert police department obtained search warrant for Verizon phone numbers 480 xx 4652 as well as 480 xx 910 910. On February 26th, 2020, Gilbert Police Department obtained a search warrant for track phone number 304 XX-X-998. On December 5th, 2019, Chandler Police Department obtained search warrant for Lori for Style at iCloud.com. That would be Lori's iCloud, or one of them.

And on March 30th, 2020, Chandler Police Department obtained a second search warrant for Lori for Style. at iCloud.com. On January 15th, 2020, Rexburg Police Department obtained search warrant for Homer J. Maximus at gmail.com. All of the evidence the defendant seeks to preclude was lawfully obtained through multiple search warrants.

Now, makes sense, make sense. Short, sweet to the point, was the state's response, reply. Moving on to Lori's third and final for now. motion. Let's reword that. Moving on to Lori's third motion, it certainly won't be her final,

I'm sure. But final for tonight, fingers crossed. And this is a motion to suppress all evidence pertaining to that Jeep Wrangler, we just heard about, the Jeep Wrangler that Alex Hawks was allegedly laying in Waden to then shoot and kill Brandon Boudra. So Lori's motion is to suppress all evidence pertaining to this Jeep Wrangler. Lori writes, quote, pursuant to the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. and Arizona constitutions, the defendant, Lori Daybell,

requests this court suppress all evidence obtained as a result of illegal, unconstitutional, warrantless seizure of the Jeep Wrangler, license played LWDO997, end quote. As for her facts related to this, well, it is all about. about Detective Hermesio stating. And I'm going to pause there.

And really, that's written in it. Well, this is all about Detective Hermesio. And Detective Hermesio, to remind everyone, is the detective who had to testify twice now, three times now, excuse me, how he found the children remains, how he unwrapped JJ's bodies in Chad Daybell's yard, how he found Tiley in a green bucket. It is one of the most heartbreaking testimonies I'll probably ever hear in my entire life.

He is a Rexburg detective and law enforcement. So an Idaho detective. So as for Lori's facts related to this, it's all about Detective Hermesio, stating, quote, on or about October 17th, 2024, approximately seven months ago, Detective Ray Hermesio of the Rexburg, Idaho Police Department, a state witness intended to testify. in this Arizona trial was interviewed on a podcast entitled Fax Me That Podcast. During this two-hour, 12-minute interview featuring Detective Hermaccio, the detective informs the public how he obtained

the Jeep Wrangler on November 4th, 2019. Detective Hermaccio indicates at about five minutes in that on Monday morning, November 4th, 2019, while driving home from the gym, he spots the Jeep, an apartment complex parking lot. Number two, Detective Hermesio makes some phone calls and gets the Jeep impounded. Number three, he then gets on the phone with Arizona and states, quote, I got your Jeep, end quote. Number four, Arizona states, quote, hang tight, we have to get the warrant issued, end quote. And number five, Detective Permaccio then states, quote, the Jeep sat in our custody a week and a half until they showed up, end quote. conclusion so after seizing the jeep wrangler without a warrant detective hermesio then took steps to

obtain a warrant the defense in other words lorry valo requests and lori davelle request all evidence obtained as a result of this unconstitutional warrantless seizure in violation of the fourth amendment be suppressed a suppression hearing is requested end quote so that's lorry's third motion that came down the docket today came down today well the state is having none of this of course and in the state's response they say quote on november 1st 2019 detective ray hermissio with the rexburgh police department spoke with detective nolan mcdermit from the gilbert police department detective mcdermott sent a probable cause statement to detective her Hermesio, providing probable cause to seize the 2018 Jeep Wrangler.

Detective Hermesio went to the court on November 1st, 2019, and obtained search warrant 201960. Detective Hermesio documented that he obtained a search warrant for the Jeep on November 1st, 2019 in his police report. The state recently obtained a copy of search warrant 201960 and disclosed that the defendant on November 4, 2019, Detective Hermesio, Hermescio observed the 2018 Jeep Wrangler at 565 Pioneer Road in Rexburg, Idaho. And by the way, 565 Pioneer Road is Lori Vallow DeBel's townhome, where she moved after Charles Vallow was shot and killed.

So the 2018 Chief Rangler before it was discovered in Arizona was at 565 Pioneer Road in Rexburg, Idaho, before and after, I should say. Detective Hermesio had probable cause from Gilbert Police Department that the Jeep was used in the shooting in Gilbert, Arizona, and he knew that the Jeep was movable and could be driven away and had lawful authority to seize the Jeep pursuant to the search warrant that he obtained on November 1st, 2019. Detective Hermesio documented in his police report that he seized the Jeep on November 4th, 2019, and had it towed to the Rexburg Police Department. Upon seizing the Jeep, Detective Hermescia realized his original warrant contained the correct VIN number, the correct model for the Jeep, and the correct license plate number for the Jeep Wrangler. But there was a typographical error as to the year.

search warrant in 201960 indicated that the Jeep was a 2008 instead of a 2018 Jeep Wrangler. Oh, here we go. Typo in a search warrant. Detective Hermacillo, though, what did he do when he discovered this typo? He immediately obtained another search warrant. SW201961 for the Jeep Wrangler. Search warrant, 201961, referenced the typo in search warrant 60. A copy of search warrant

201961 and Detective Hermaccio's police report that provided this information was disclosed to the defendant Lori Valade Bell on February 26th, 2022. And although Detective Hermaccio could have lawfully seized the 2018 Jeep Wrangler based upon the probable cause provided by the Gilbert Police Department, he did in fact

seize the 2018 Jeep Wrangler pursuant to a search warrant that he obtained on November 1st 2019 three days before the seizure of Jeep, end quote. I mean, it sounds like Detective Hermesio did his due diligence once he discovered that typo. Then the state actually cites case law stating, quote, merely innocent or negligent mistakes in an affidavit will not satisfy the first prong of the Franks test. State v. Carter, end quote.

In this case, Detective Hermaccio's affidavit, in support of search warrant, 201960, contains a factual basis to seize the Jeep. The Jeep's correct VIN number, the Jeep's correct license plate number, the Jeep's correct model, and the Jeep's correct color. The typographical error of indicating this was a 2008 Jeep

instead of a 2018 Jeep does not invalidate the search warrant. Furthermore, upon noting this error, Detective Hermesio obtained another search warrant to correct this mistake. The 2018 Jeep Wrangler was lawfully seized, pursuant to a search warrant, the state requests this court denied defendant's motion to suppress all evidence pertaining to the Jeep Wrangler, end quote. I mean, that was pretty solid, if you ask me, according to the state's response. Jury selection starts May 29th next Thursday, and I do plan to be there in person reporting

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