Hidden True Crime - Police, Paramedics & Firefighters Describe the Horror | Lindsay Clancy Day 3

Episode Date: July 31, 2026

Day 3 of the Lindsay Clancy trial- Lauren Matthias was inside the courtroom as police officers, firefighters, paramedics, and EMTs took the stand, each describing the chaotic moments they arrived at the Clancy home and the desperate efforts to save Lindsay and her three children. We also saw the prosecution continue building its case witness by witness, while the defense challenged key details surrounding Lindsay's injuries and condition. About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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though, what they saw, which is exactly why the defense, Kevin Redington, objected to having so many of them testify. Because the defense argues that because these accounts are cumulative, meaning they're samesies, same, same, repetitive enough, the jury simply doesn't need to hear them all. But the judge, Judge Sullivan, has allowed all of the witnesses so far. And the prosecution, obviously wants to make sure their narrative and their facts stick that they can't be argued. And so the more witnesses they have that confirm what was happening on scene that horrific day is better for the prosecution who want their narrative to be fact for the jury to not be questioned. So the Commonwealth, the prosecution today, did this, just that they walked the jury through

each responders' experience from their side one by one. And then a few things to note from the courtroom that I'm seeing before court begins, Patrick Clancy is no longer there. The media is a bit more sparse. There's still a lot of media there, but more sparse. More media, though, than the public. A lot fewer public attendees today. That's all I really could notice. Except I did also notice, I'll just say this before we get into these testimonies, prosecutor Shannon Buckingham's hair bow. I was directly behind her and the bow was in the back of her hair. So it was like all I could see whenever I looked up,

I just would see Buckingham's bow. And that's what I kept calling it, Buckingham's bow. And I know that nice hair bows for adults are a thing again. And just ask Lili Sadugi or Lili Pulitzer. I know that. But I mean, I looked very English. And then the fact that the prosecutor's last name is Buckingham, I was like, it's just like too perfect, Buckingham's Bow.

So those are three of the things I think about, random thoughts inside my head while in the courtroom while I'm focusing on things that aren't too terribly sad. And I'll leave it at that because now we're about to jump into the terribly sad things. So Buckingham's Bow was made. maybe a little bit of a bright spot. Anyway. But now on to what this whole day was about, and that is simply sadness and heartbreak. So the first witness up was Officer Stephen Hall. He worked for the Duxbury Police Department, and he has been there about 11 years. ADA, Jen Sprague, walked him through everything. She started by going over the timeline.

January 24th, 2023, his shift was the four to midnight. He was alone in a marked cruiser, just doing routine patrol. And then around 6.11 p.m. dispatch sent him to 47 Summer Street. He remembered that he had been over at the Lincoln Street fields. So it took him maybe seven to ten minutes to get there. And when he pulled up, it looked like a normal house. The gate on the left side was open. and that's where he headed. He said he arrived at the same time as Officer Josephine. They both went straight toward the backyard because they could hear a man calling out from that side. And that man turned out to be Patrick Clancy. Hall said that Patrick was upset and didn't seem to know what was going on. Hall didn't see anyone else in the yard at first, but then he saw Lindsay on the ground. And Lindsay was

lying on the right side of the backyard, her head toward the house and her feet pointed away from the house. He noticed cuts on both of her wrists and on the left side of her neck. None of them were actively bleeding. She was semi-conscious, according to Hall, drifting in and out, moving her head a little, moaning like she was in pain. She could not speak. Firefighters started arriving, and Hall ran back to the gate to direct them. Patrick stayed outside for a moment and then said he needed to check on his children. And he went inside through the backslider door. And not long after Patrick went in, all heard a radio call, dispatch, saying that Patrick couldn't wake them up. He didn't really understand what that meant at first. And then that's when he heard a scream from inside the house.

not words, just a sound, screaming. And he, and Officer Josephine, ran through the slider. You could tell that recalling all of this was extremely painful for Hall. He was breathing really hard and fast, and you could tell that this has affected him a lot. Hall explained that they entered the kitchen. You could hear Patrick talking from the basement, so they headed down the stairs. And at the bottom, they had to choose left or right. They heard Patrick's voice coming from the right.

So they went that way. Hall remembered Patrick saying, I can't wake them up. I can't get them up. The room they entered looked like a workout area. Patrick came out of a back room. So Hall and Officer Josephine, that's why they ran into that room. Ultimately, he actually pointed out a very descriptive of detail. He explained that as they got into the basement, he saw a picture right on the wall

of Lindsey and Patrick. I thought that was so descriptive. And he said at that moment, they had to make a choice right or left because you had to turn and say he was looking at that picture of this beautiful married couple on the wall. And because the screams were coming from the right, that's the why they went to that room and that's why they went there first and that is when hall on the left side saw the body of a young child and the child was on his back feet toward the door head toward the door shirtless just a diaper or underwear and hall said that the child was discolored blueish purple he later learned that this child's name was dawson and we learned that yes, Dawson was in dinosaur underwear and a shirt. He also saw an exercise band in that room.

After seeing Dawson, Hall called for paramedics and a supervisor. Officer Josephine picked Dawson up and they ran him outside to the ambulance. Sir, did you head to that bathroom? I did. And what did you see when you got to that back room? Just past the door on the left side. There was a body of a young child. And do you remember what position the child was in? He had his feet towards a door and his head towards the wall. And was he on his back or his stomach? He was on his back.

And do you recall what he was wearing? He was shirtless. I believe he was just in a diaper or underwear of some sort. And showing you, Divit 93, if you wouldn't mind just pointing out where you saw his body. Yes, sir. Record to reflect he's pointed to the area of the yellow exercise band. It may reflect that. And, sir, that yellow exercise band, did you see that in that position when you saw the body of the child on the floor?

Yes. Exhibit number four. Sir, did you later learn that child's name was Dawson Clancy? I did. And can you describe, um, um, um, um, his physical appearance when you saw him? He was discolored, like a bluish purple. Do you remember what his face and neck look like?

No. What happened next? I called for paramedics to come to the basement. I also called for a supervisor, and Officer Josephine picked up the child, and we ran him outside through the front door to the ambulance. And did you did, Did you do anything after that, after giving Dawson to EMTs?

We ran back down into the basement to check to see if we could find other children. So you heard him just say there, they went back down to the basement to see if they could find other children. And yes, you heard that heavy breathing in the microphone. We could hear that clearly in the courtroom too. You could tell that this was affecting him. It was really sad. So you said that the reason they went back down to the. basement is because he had heard Patrick say them. It wasn't just one child. He knew it wasn't a

him. It was them. So Hall believed there were more children. And this time, they went left, the other direction. Because remember, they had gone right towards Patrick's screams. Now they went left. And in that room, as they turned left, two more children were on the floor motionless. And EMT is already working on those children. He later learned that those children were Kora and Callan. Hall asked that the medics needed equipment. They asked for a heart monitor. He tried to find it, but the fire captain was too upset to give direction, so Hall went back downstairs. Eventually, he was told an officer needed to be with Lindsay, so he went back outside. She was still on the ground near the right side of the house. Paramedics were treating her. When Hall looked up,

he saw an open window with blood around the frame and blood on the shingles below the frame. He did not see any ripped screens on the ground. He asked the paramedic what he could do. They said she kept taking off her oxygen mask. So Hall kept putting it back on her. It's interesting, right? And then he helped get her onto the stretcher and into the ambulance. That was it. The Commonwealth finished. And the defense did not ask him anything on cross-exam. The next witness was Officer Brian Josephine from the Duxbury Police Department because we heard about Josephine and Hall's testimony. Lusprig handled his questioning too. He'd been with Duxbury since 2020 and before that he spent almost five years with Plymouth Police. In January 2020, he was working as a school resource

officer for Alden and Chandler, kindergarten through fifth grade. But that night he had picked up an overtime shift. He was supposed to work until eight, but it was still part of the four to midnight sort of rotation, shift rotation. He was in full uniform in a marked cruiser. And just like Hall, he got the dispatch call around 6.11 p.m. and he headed straight to 47 Summer Street. He was close by, so it only took him three or four minutes. Dispatch was giving him a description of the house as he drove, and he said it took maybe 15 seconds to spot it. He parked in the street and went into the mudroom door, through the mudroom door, to see if he could get in that way. It was locked, so he radioed dispatch again to confirm where exactly they needed to go.

Well, they told him the party was around back, so he headed that way. So he went around the right side of the house, past the cars, around the garage, and hopped over a fence to get into the backyard. And when he came around the corner, he saw two people, one lying on the ground and one standing overheard. So he started moving towards the far end of the house. And by the way, after telling you yesterday that I was not going to live post, that's what I did today on X. So that happened too. So you guys can follow me on X.

But one line on the ground, making sure I have it clear. So the standing person was Patrick. And the person on the ground was Lindsay. Hall came in from the opposite direction. So they met up in the yard. Josephine said the Patrick was standing over Lindsay trying to. communicate with her. He had a cell phone in his left hand, kind of down by his side. Patrick turned, walked past Josephine quickly, headed toward the deck. He didn't say anything.

Josephine went straight to Lindsay. He tried to talk to her asking where she was hurt, what she needed, but she only mumbled. He saw cuts on her right wrist and the right side of her neck. They were bleeding, but not heavily. So there's some differences in accounts here, whether they were bleeding, whether they were not bleeding. He says they're bleeding, but not heavily. He said they didn't look life-threatening. He didn't feel the need to use a tourniquet or any of the medical equipment he carried. Fire personnel started arriving, and he turned medical care over to them. He said he had been talking to Lindsay for maybe 30 seconds to a minute before they showed up. And then he and Hall were standing near a window when they heard loud

screams. They tried to figure out where it was coming from. Something came over the radio about the basement. And so they ran toward the deck and went inside the sliding doors. They entered the kitchen and could still hear the screaming coming from the basement. They went down the stairs. And at the bottom, the basement split into the two sides. The screaming was coming from the right. And the So they went that way. That side opened into two rooms. The first room was dark and cluttered. Patrick was in the back room.

And then he explained what happened. Take a listen. There was a picture at the bottom of the stairs, I believe, of Lindsay, and Patrick. And the basement splits off into two, a right and the left area. And the screams were coming from the right area. So that's where we directed our attention to first. And did you see Patrick? Yes.

That right side opens up, and it's like two rooms, I believe. So we went into the first room, which was kind of dark, and there was some cluttered stuff around, and Patrick was in that back room at the time. So I'm showing you what's goodmarked as Exhibit 92. Is that the doorway into that bathroom? Yes, it is. And then Exhibit 93, is that the inside of that bathroom? Yes, it is.

and do you recall what if anything Patrick was saying as you encountered him? Upon his observation of us, myself and Officer Hall, he proceeded to head in our direction, leaving that room. And at that point he looked up and he screamed, she killed the fucking kids. And after he said that, where did you go? Once he cleared himself from the door frame, we were able to look inside the room. where we observed what appeared to be a child laying motionless on the floor. And did you later learn his name is Dawson Clancy? Yes, I did.

And how was he positioned? He was laying on his back, kind of close to the gym bag for reference of that. So I mean, so that 93 again, he referenced in Jim Bag. Is that the bag to the left of the child's toy? Yes. And so you're saying that he's. He was in that area when you first saw him? Yes, it was.

And do you recall whether he was on his back or something else? He was on his back. And do you recall his physical appearance? Like I said, he was laying on his back. His head was tilted to the right hand side. Looked at him kind of in the face area once we got closer. And his face was white, gray, lips were blue, eyes were bloodshot. looked like blood vessels were popped in his eyes.

Did you notice any injuries to his neck? Seeing that, my first instinct was to kind of grab his head and tilt it to the side, see if I can get a pulse. But, I mean, based on my training experience from previous incidents, I knew it wasn't going to be good. So I moved the head. That's where I observed some red marks on that right hand side. Of the neck? Yes. and in that exhibit

94 there was a yellow exercise band Yes I believe in prior testimony you may have called it a blue exercise band Is that correct? Yes But it's clearly yellow in the photo, right? Yes, it's clearly yellow.

I mean there was Testing the color of the exercise band So what was your focus at the time? The child And once you saw him there with these injuries. What did you do? Based on my observations, I knew there wasn't really much I could do. So I picked the child up, went chest to chest. And as I did that,

it was kind of like a mucus or a foam that leaked out of his mouth onto me. I grabbed him, went back towards the way we came down into the basement. And I headed up to the stairs where Sergeant Homestead was coming down the stairs and I started yelling to him to get out of the way, went back up the stairs and then into the kitchen directly adjacent to the stairs as the front foyer, like hallway. And I went out that out the main door into the driveway. And was there an ambulance in the driveway at that time? Yes, the ambulance was backing up and had pretty much just parked in one of the fire was, walking around to the stretcher out back.

So I rushed over with Dawson and I put him on the stretcher. And that's when Sergeant Homestead and fire personnel started working further on them. What did you do next? I went back into the house. And why did you go back into the house? I remember hearing something about kids and multiple and I just went back. This time when he got back in the basement, he went left. So, and in that room he saw two more children, an older girl, and a baby. And the older girl was

Cora. Fire personnel were already working on both children. Josephine took over chest compressions on Cora. Then he said Cora had the same physical signs as Dawson, pale tint, bluish lips, blood shot eyes. But she also had dried blood just a little bit around her mouth. There was a large area of blood on the floor near her. He moved her slightly so he could position himself better for CPR. He kept doing compressions for what felt like forever. He eventually radioed for another officer. And Officer Cahill came down and helped. Josephine continued compressions while Cahill used a bag valve mask to give rescue breaths. The baby, we know that is Callin. They knew little baby Callan, though as simply the baby at that moment. The baby was taken out first because medics actually thought

they might have found a faint pulse. And then Cora was taken out. Josephine and Cahill went back upstairs afterward. And in the kitchen, Josephine encountered Patrick again. He said Patrick was frantic, in shock, screaming, losing himself. They requested an ambulance for him too. And that was the end of his testimony. Once again, no cross-exam from the defense at all. Kevin Reddington was like, We're good. Next up was PJ, PJ Hussie from the Duxbury Fire Department, and Spray questioned him. He had been a firefighter for 32 years, and he was also a paramedic. He explained the difference.

EMTs handled basic life support, but paramedics have advanced skills like intubation and administering certain medications. He talked about the training, the two-year paramedic class, the state test, and then the continuing education every two. years. He had passed all of it. He was a captain, the shift commander, and in January 2023, he was in that same role as shift commander. He oversaw firefighting and medical operations across the town. Duxbury had two stations about 10 minutes apart. The central station had a captain and three firefighters, and then the other two stations had two. Most of them

were paramedics, only two were EMTs. On January 24th, he was working his usual 24-hour shift 8 a.m. to 8 a.m. the next day. So a very long 24-hour shift, 8-8. He remembered the call coming in a little after 6 p.m. They were dispatched to 47 Summer Street. He responded with his shift commander vehicle, ambulance one, and engine two. Normally the ambulance carried two people, but because of how serious the call sounded, they put three in it, a driver and two medics. Engine 2 had two firefighter medics, so six people total. Both stations responded at the same time. And when they arrived, police cruisers were already there.

They headed straight to the backyard where Lindsay was on the ground. The paramedics treated her while they supervised the scene. He pointed out where he had been standing. Lindsay was right below the far right basement window, and he was just to the left of it. while he was standing there, he heard a scream. He said it sounded like it came from the basement. He looked through the basement window, the metal window, well,

and saw a man downstairs in that window. The light was on. He saw Patrick Clancy in the window unwrapping something from a child's head. At some point in time, while you were standing there, did you hear a loud noise? I heard a scream. And when you heard the screen, could you tell where it was coming from? It sounded like it was coming from the basement. And did you look anywhere in particular?

Yeah, I was able to look through the basement window and able to see a male person down downstairs. And when you say the basement window, are you referring to that first metal? Yes, yes. That was in the 37. Just showing you, again on the screen here, what's been marked is Exhibit 50. This window here on the right, is that fairly represent the window that you look through and could see down into that basement office? And was the light on in the basement office when you looked in?

A light was on, yes. And what did you see when you looked in the window? After I heard the scream, I saw a male, older male gentleman, now knowing it was Patrick Clancy, unwrapping something from a child's head. And when you saw the male unwrapping something, can you demonstrate the motion that they were doing? Yeah, the child was on the ground. The head was towards the window, so the head was towards the back of the house. And he was picked the child up and he was in a circle of motion taking something off the head around the head around the neck. And could you see the child's face?

Yes. And what observations did you make of the child's face? The head was blue. And did you later learn that child was Dawson Clancy? Yes. It was that moment that he realized they had yet another patient. Lindsay was already clerical, and now there was a child in the basement. So he immediately put out what's called an all call, a recall for all Duxbury personnel to come back if they were available. He also requested a mutual aid ambulance from another town. Duxbury had three ambulances, but only one was staffed that night, so they needed help. And I have traveled to Duxbury. I've even passed the home. And it is, it is, it is, It is a perfect town, right? It's just like beautiful. It's, it's a dream town. And the home is rather

tucked away and it helped me understand why they realized they quickly needed other help. It's small. It's quaint. It's, it's a small town. So they needed other towns. They needed backup. So soon after, they learned there were two more children, Kora and Kallin. He called in two more ambulances. He said the scene became chaotic very fast, very quickly. Paramedics had to move from one patient to another as more victims were found. At first, all the paramedics were with Lindsay. But then as soon as they realized there were children inside, they split up. One paramedic stayed with Lindsay, one with Dawson, and two went to the other kids. Eventually, someone had to be assigned to Patrick too, but not right away. Yeah. And that was the end of his testimony. Again, no cross-examination.

And then the Commonwealth called Lori Nudd, L-O-R-I-N-G, L-O-R-I-N-G. Loring Nutt. He goes by Chuck. And Attorney Buckingham questioned Loring Nutt. Chuck had worked as a firefighter EMT in Duxbury for a little over 30 years before retiring about a year ago, and he explained his role. As an EMT, most of their calls were medical. He had assisted paramedics, drive the ambulance, whatever was needed. He also did fire suppression and had gone through the academy. He broke down the EMT versus paramedic difference. EMTs handled basic life-saving techniques, paramedics, have advanced training,

and can administer certain medications, and read cardiac monitors. So in Duxbury, firefighters were either EMTs or paramedics, but all were trained firefighters too. The town had its own ambulances in addition to fire engines and ladder trucks. He worked 24-hour shifts on one day, off one day, on one, off five. Then the shift, I think it ran from, it ran eight to eight as well the next morning on January 24th, 2023. He was on duty. And that day he'd been assigned as the backup guy on the ambulance at Central Station. They had a newer member, Daniel Doherty, who had just become a paramedic. and Chuck was there to support him.

The other paramedic assigned to the ambulance was Kevin Heath. So around 6 p.m., they were dispatched to Summer Street. The initial call sounded like a second floor fall, possibly a suicide attempt. They had no idea that children were involved. Chuck said the two paramedics sat up front so they could talk through the call, and he sat in the back as the backup. It took about four or five minutes to get there. these cruisers had arrived just ahead of them. And when they pulled up, the paramedics noticed the

cruisers were blocking the driveway. Chuck told them to get out and start the call while he handled the ambulance. He moved into the driver's seat and saw an officer getting ready to move a vehicle so that he could back the ambulance in. He managed to get in and to the driveway. Well, Heath and Doherty had already jumped out with their gear and they had headed to the back of the house. Chuck assumed they needed a stretcher. So he started pulling it out of the ambulance, right? And then as soon as he pulled the stretcher out of the ambulance, he saw an officer coming from the house carrying a child. It was Officer Homestead. Chuck called out over here, and the officer placed the child on the stretcher that was already there. Chuck made immediate observations. The child's face was blue.

There were marks around his neck and his body was pale. This was Dawson. So they rolled Dawson into the ambulance so CPR could start. Chuck explained the ABCs, airway, breathing, circulation. Dawson was not breathing on his own and Chuck could not secure an airway yet. There was no pulse. Chuck yelled for his captain hoping someone would hear that he needed a medic in the truck. A paramedic eventually came. Not one of the two who had arrived with him, but a not. medic who had been directed to the ambulance. They started CPR and Hook Dawson up to the monitor to check for heart rhythm. The paramedic looked at the rhythm and decided they needed the monitor downstairs. So Chuck disconnected it and brought it to the basement. He didn't see much of the other

children. He said they weren't crying and they were being treated by others. So after dropping off the equipment, he went back outside. His final role was driving the ambulance. He drove ambulance one to the hospital in Plymouth with Dawson in the back. That was the end of his testimony. No cross-examination. After Chuck, the Commonwealth, called Keith Nettie. Shannon Buckingham questioned Keith Nettie. So Keith had been with the Duxbury fire for about 17 years. He was a captain, a shift commander, and he was both a firefighter and a trained paramedic. On January 24th, he wasn't actually on duty. He was home. He thought he'd worked maybe two days before, but he wasn't sure. He was on a day, off a day. He explained how recalls work. Dispatch sends out a tone that triggers

pagers at their home, and they also get text messages. Firefighters can respond voluntarily if they're available. Well, that night, just after 6 p.m., he heard the recall and drove straight to the scene in his personal truck. And when he arrived, he saw police and fire vehicles. He walked up the driveway and went right into the back of the ambulance. He said the only people he saw was at first paramedic Kevin Heath and Sergeant Homestead. The Duxbury ambulance was already in the driveway. Before he even got past the ambulance, he was asked to help. And in the back, he saw Homestead and Heath doing CPR on a child. He hadn't seen how the child got there. He arrived after Dawson had already been brought out of the house. He jumped in to help treat Dawson. His initial observation,

were stark. Dawson was blue and white, non-responsive, not breathing, no pulse. He later learned it was Dawson Clancy, about three years old. Keith and Heath tried everything they could. They attempted an IV, then moved to an I.O. An inter-osia access, which meant drilling into the bone marrow of the lower leg to deliver medication. He explained they had a manual drill that you twist until it enters the bone. They were able to get the I-O in. They gave ethnephrine through the I.O. The medication meant to restart the heart. Dawson had no heart activity at all. And then they attempted intubation. Keith explained how intubation works. If you lift the airway to visualize the vocal cords and pass the tube through, Heath successfully intubated Dawson. They attached oxygen and a bag valve mask to push air into his lungs.

And while treating him, Keith noticed dark red marks around Dawson's neck. All of this was happening in the back of the ambulance with Heath. Another Duxbury officer, Dan Doherty, was also present. Eventually, the ambulance was sent to Beth Israel Plymouth. And on the ride, Dawson never. regained a pulse. The bag valve mask never produced spontaneous breathing. The epinephrine did not start his heart or restart his heart. At the hospital, they wheeled Dawson into trauma one or trauma two moved into the hospital bed and transferred care. And I just want to say this. I remember something

that Patrick Clancy said on the stand that when he saw Dawson, he knew Dawson was gone in Patrick's brain. When these medics and paramedics and EMT saw Dawson, they tried everything. When I heard about this whole thing and how much they tried to restart his heart and everything they tried to do, it was clearly, it touched me. They did everything they could to revive Dawson. Keith said he saw another child from the same home come in at that moment brought by Marshfield fire. He helped with compressions as they transferred that child to the emergency staff. He also saw Patrick at the hospital. Patrick was visibly upset. Keith helped to get him a chair in case he needed to sit down. He thought that was after the children had been declared.

That was the end of his testimony and once again, no cross-examination from the defense. Next up was Patrick Dwyer. Buckingham questioned him. He was a firefighter paramedic with Duxbury Fire, not in any supervisory role, just a frontline medic. He'd been with the department about eight years and had gone through all of the training required for both firefighting and paramedic work. And then on January 24th, he was on a 24-hour shift, the usual 8 a.m. to 8 a.m. He was assigned to the engine at Station 2 on Franklin Street. His partner that day was Jennifer Stratton. She was driving the engine and he was in the officer's seat. Station two only had two people on shift at a time, so it was just the two of them. When the dispatch

came in around 6 p.m., they had no information about children being involved. They headed to Summer Street and got there within a few minutes. It was dark out. As they approached the house, other firefighters were already there and directed them to the basement. They had originally been walking toward the backyard on the left side of the house. But they were redirected. They went through the backyard and entered the house through the sliding glass doors. And once inside, they headed straight down to the basement and went left at the bottom of the stairs. Down there, they saw two children on the ground and Patrick Clancy sitting on a couch.

Dyer said both children were in cardiac arrest. He started CPR on the five-year-old girl, Cora. Stratton worked on the younger child, Callan. He described where Cora was near the red stain on the floor in the photos. The baby was closer to the cardiac monitor. He pointed out the monitor in the photos. And then he described what he saw when he approached Cora. Take a listen here.

When you started to treat Cora, what were your observations of her when you came upon her? I noticed she kind of looked like she had some. blood vessels around her eyes. Did you make any observations of the color of her skin? That was kind of pale, bluish. When you approach the patient, what's the first thing that you do to assess them? I check for breathing, check for a pulse. Did she have a pulse?

No. Was she breathing? No. And when you're doing those things, are you able to make observations of the area around their face, like their nose and their mouth? Yes. In this circumstance with Cora, did you notice anything around her mouth? Around her mouth?

Not that I can recall. When you were trying to assess her breathing, is there anything you do to try to resuscitate somebody or get them to breathe? Yes, we would use a bag valve mask to help them breathe. Did you do that for Cora? Eventually, when we got the equipment down there, yes. And were you able to use that device and get her to breathe on her own? No.

And while you're utilizing that bag valve mask, fair to say you're in close contact and making observations of the patient's face and mouth, correct? Yes. And you indicated that you're not sure if you recalled seeing anything around her mouth? Nothing particularly that I can think of. Okay. Let me approach. Yeah.

Just going to shake. Is that a fresher memory? Yes. What did you have their inner around Kora's mouth? That you did have some blood in our mouth. More responders came down to help. CPR requires multiple people, so they rotated through compressions and rescue breaths. Eventually, they were able to prepare Kora to leave the basement.

Marshfield firefighters helped put her. on a backboard and carry her up the stairs. She was placed into a Marshfield ambulance. Dwyer went with them to Beth Israel Plymouth. In the ambulance, they continued efforts, including using the cardiac monitor to shock her once. There was no response, no regained pulse at the hospital. They transferred her to the emergency staff. That was the end of his involvement. No cross-examination. Next up was Jennifer Stratton. Spray questioned her. Jennifer had been with a Duxbury fire for 12 years and had been a paramedic for about 13. She'd gone through all of the training, all of the certifications, everything you needed to do

the job. And on January 24th, 2023, she was in the middle of a 24-hour shift that started at 8 that morning. She and firefighter paramedic Patrick Dwyer were the crew dispatched to Summer Street just after six. She was the one. driving the engine that night and it took them maybe four or five minutes to get there. And when they pulled up, their ambulance crew had just arrived ahead of them and was already heading toward the backyard. Jennifer and Dwyer followed. In the backyard, she saw firefighter Dan Dore kneeling next to someone. It was so dark that she could barely make out anything at first. But it turned out to be Lindsay. And right then, they heard someone yelling for them to get inside, saying there was a kid

hanging in the basement. That's what they heard. They didn't hesitate. They went straight through the slider doors into the kitchen and headed down the basement stairs. At the bottom, you could go right or left. They went left. And the moment they turned that corner, they saw Callan and Cora lying face up on the ground. Jennifer immediately got on the radio and called for two more ambulances. Patrick ran to Cora, and she went straight to Cullen. She described the room. Cora was to the left near the equipment against the wall, and Callon was to the right near the dresser. She confirmed the photos, the pajamas, the stethoscope, the blue exercise band. That was where Callan was. Next, she described how she cared for Callan. Listen to this. Is that the area where

in Callan respond? Yes. And close up, exhibit 99. You see the pajamas there, the stethoscope, and the blue exercise stand? Yes. Do you recall removing Callan's pajamas to treat him? I did, yes.

So when you went over to Callan, you remove his clothing, what do you do after that? I didn't remove his entire onesie right away. Made sure that checked him for a policy, did not have one immediately started chest compressions on him. Now, this is an eight-month-old baby, correct? Is the way you do chest compressions for a baby different than other people, other ages? Yes, because of the size, you have to scoop your arms around and you compresses with your thumbs

and your thumbs in the same. So you said you have to put your hands underneath on the back of the child and then use your thumbs to do compressions? Yes. And is that what you did for Callum? Yes. And what did you do next? continued CPR on him until more help in hands started to arrive on scene.

We had an off-duty firefighter Tom Brant come in and he started to assist me. He took over compressions briefly while more help started to arrive. When Brant took over chest compressions, what did you do? At that point, someone had brought down a bag valve mask to help us deliver oxygen to the child and we started delivering oxygen to the child. And at some point, did you remove the pajamas completely? And when you removed the pajamas completely, was that so someone could attempt to get I-O access through the baby's legs?

And was that successful? That was not successful, though. Is that difficult to do with a child that age? It's a little more difficult. It's a less frequent practice skill. were multiple attempts made to get the IV access into the bone in Callan's leg? I attempted once and another provider attempted a second time. I don't remember who that was.

And neither attempt was successful. What did you do next? What was your answer? I'm sorry. Was either attempt successful? No. What did you do next? Eventually, Kingston Fire arrived on scene to provide the ambulance for transport for Callan.

I don't know how long we were in the base before, but we did make the decision. Eventually, it was time to get moving to the truck and start going to the hospital. While you were working on Callan, did you notice any injuries on him? Yes, he had deep strangulation marks around the entire circumference of his neck. And throughout the entire time that you're in the basement, are chest compressions being done and you're trying to assist him with breathing? Yes. Did he in the home ever gain a pulse or the ability to breathe?

No, he did not. Was he eventually taken to the ambulance? Yes. And how was he removed from the basement and brought to the ambulance? I scooped him up in my arms and carried him outside to the truck. And did you go with him in that transport to the hospital? Yes. And at any point in time, did he regain the ability to breathe or heartbeat during that

transport. No, he did not. Was care transferred to medical staff at Beth Israel Deaconis Plymouth? Yes, they were. Nothing further. Thank you. Just reading. Those

pajamas are so heartbreaking to see. Many of you mentioned them there. There is that last picture of Callan. I want to pull that up to show where he was later that day. It is so

sad. Look at that smile. He was known as the very happy baby, just pleasant. There was no cross-examination. And then came Robert Costanzo from the Pembroke Fire Department. Sprague questioned him. He'd been with Penbroke since 2011 and had been working in EMS since 2006. He was a paramedic and had completed all the required training. And on January 24th, he was working an overtime shift and assigned to the ambulance. After 6 p.m., Duxbury put out a mutual aid call. Pembroke responded. Costanzo and his partner, Dan Smith,

took their ambulance and headed to Summer Street. It took them about five to eight minutes to get there. And when they arrived, the scene was already crowded. Multiple ambulances, multiple police cars, fire equipment. They were directed to the backyard. Lindsay was on the ground with the Duxbury firefighter. She was already secure to a long backboard with a C-spine collar. She was unresponsive but breathing.

He later learned that this woman was Lindsay Clancy. He explained the equipment. The longboard used when there's a possible spinal injury, the collar around her neck. Duxbury had already started treatment before Pembroke arrived and her wrists were bandaged with white bandaging. Nothing was seeping through. He saw superficial lacerations on her neck. around the collar but no active bleeding. She was moaning and groaning, but she was not speaking.

They brought her to the ambulance. Costanza was the medic in charge, and he and Smith did a full assessment without removing her from the board. And other than the injuries, Dexbury had already found, they didn't see anything else, no cuts or bumps on her head, no obvious broken bones in her arms or hands. Their deputy chief, Jim Shea, drove the ambulance. They headed to South Shore Hospital. Costanza said the drive was probably around 18 minutes. And in the back of the ambulance,

they started treatment. They placed two IVs as a precaution. He noticed her pupils were constricted and she was unresponsive. So they treated her for a possible opioid overdose. He gave her two milligrams of Narcan. She did not wake up. But she did become a little more agitated reaching out with her arms. Still no verbal communication. He said she never fully woke up. Sprigg asked about Narcan. He explained he'd given it many times before. Usually patients wake up or at least become more alert. Narcan works on opioids like heroin or fentanyl. It doesn't work on benzodiazepines. So Lindsay did not wake up. They monitored her vitals the whole way. When they arrived at the hospital, they transferred her care to the staff. And then Kevin Reddington stepped up for

cross for the very first time today. And he asked that question, if Narcan works on benzodiazepines. Costanzo said no. Reddington pointed out that Lindsay's wrists were already wrapped. Her neck was stabilized and she might have had bandages on her neck. Costanzo said he didn't see bandages, just the collar. And through the holes in the collar, he could see superficial lacerations with no active bleeding. Reddington got a little sharp with him here because he said Reddington didn't like what he said take a listen to this.

When you gave Narcan to the body that was laying on the ground and she had already been wrapped up on her wrist, right? That's correct. Already been wrapped up, had the thing on the neck to prevent the head from moving, right? That's correct. And also it had bandages perhaps on her neck area, I'm not sure.

There were no bandages that I could see because the collar blocks, yeah. Most of it I could see. There are some holes in the collar that we could see some superficial lacerations through, but there was no active bleeding. Her wrists were already bandaged, so we don't take the bandages off after they're on. Okay. There was no bloods.

I asked the questions you can answer. Okay. Narcan administered to Lindsay Clancy on the ground, yes? In the ambulance, but yes. And there was no reaction. It didn't have any effect on her, right? She appeared to become a little bit more. She started, like, reaching and grabbing a little bit more than she was before.

That's consistent as well with a person who's had a head injury, right? Could be. Yeah. So in any event, an arcane that you're trained would be dealing with opioids, right? Yes, that's correct. Now, did you know, sir, at all, that she suffered a breast fracture of a cervical spine? Did you know that, sir? No.

T5 through T6, T4, 67, 8, all exploded, fractured. Did you know that? No. Did you know that there was hemorrhaging into her body? that she fractured every rib in her body? No. It was pretty dark out there, wasn't it? It was.

Did you obviously administer aid to her? Did you also have like a flashlight on your head? Were you holding a flashlight or what? She was already packaged. She was already on the longboard and everything. So we picked her up, put her on the stretcher, and moved out of the backyard into the ambulance. So how long did you handle, if you will, her while she was laying there?

On scene. We were only unseen for, I think it was, seven minutes, I think, total unseen from the time that we... Yes. And it was dark in the backyard, right? Yes. It was no exterior lighting, no, nothing on the house that was lit up, like spotlights or anything, right?

That's correct. No flashlights, right? No. And you scrutinized a hole in the thing that goes around the neck when someone has a head injury, especially cervical injury, thoracic injuries. you scrutinized the hole that noted that there was superficial old to the neck? That's all we could see through the side of the collar.

Who's we? Me and my partner. Was your guidance scrutinizing the hole as well? The hole, I don't know. You said there's a hole in that and the thing that goes around in that. Yeah, there's holes in the collar that you can see through. Right. And you were scrutinizing.

You were looking through it, right? Yeah. All the jury, you saw, superficial pattern in that, right? Is your partner a superfluid through the hole as well? And you've talked about your testimony with the district attorneys in the past, having you? Yes. One of the things that they asked you is whether or not it appeared as though the injuries to her neck or wrist were superficial. Isn't that right?

Yes. And other than looking through the little hole and the thing around her neck in the dark, you didn't see her neck after that was removed, did you? No. Oh, yeah. On redirect, Sprague pointed out that after those seven minutes in the dark backyard, Costanzo spent 18 minutes in a well-lit ambulance with Lindsay. She asked if he ever saw blood seeping through the wrist bandages.

He said no. She asked if he ever saw blood pooling around her neck or flowing from it. He said no, and that was it. And then Kim Daniel Dowerty. Sprigg questioned him. He'd been with Duxbury Fire full-time for about five and a half years and had been a paramedic for four. He'd completed all the training and certifications. On January 24th, he was working a 24-hour shift as a firefighter paramedic.

Sometime at 6 p.m., he responded to Summer Street in ambulance one. Firefighter Heath was driving and firefighter Chuck Nudd was in the back. When they arrived, two police cruisers were blocking or near the driveway, so they pulled ahead, stopped, and got out. Officer Hall directed them toward the side. gate and they headed to the backyard. They saw a woman on the ground, Lindsay. Dardy remembers that she was wearing jeans, a tank top in socks. He assessed her. She had lacerations on both wrists and on her neck. None of them were actively bleeding. The blood on her neck looked dried and the cuts seemed superficial because there was no active bleed. Same with her wrists.

He and the crew bandaged her wounds. He said they placed an ABD pad, a daryl pad on her neck. He believed they bandaged the wrist first, but before any of that, they secured her airway. She was breathing on her own, but somewhat, only somewhat responsive, reacting to painful stimuli. And as they moved her, she'd regain consciousness a little. And to secure her airway, they place an OPA device, a plastic piece that depresses the tongue to keep the airway open. Then they put a non-re breather, oxygen mask on her, and then right around then they heard the scream. Yeah, the scream. The screen. Doretti looked at Captain and Heath. Everyone was trying to figure out what was

happening. So they left. Heath went to get a backboard. Dorety stayed with Lindsay. He started bandaging her wrist while Heath was gone. Eventually, Officer Hall came back to the backyard and asked if they already needed anything. Dorety told him he needed a backboard and explained where it was in the truck. Hall went to get it. Hall returned with the board. They loaded Lindsay onto it. Doherty already said he believed Officer Hall and their retired deputy helped. They followed C spine precaution.

Someone held her neck steady while they moved her, making sure her spine did not twist. A collar was placed around her neck. They radioed their captain to ask who was transporting first since they now knew there were multiple patients. he was told Pembroke was on the way and Lindsay would go with them. He helped bring her from the backyard and the Pembroke ambulance and helped to the ambulance and helped load her in. He did not ride with them. And after Lindsay left, Dardy went to their own ambulance in the driveway. Dawson was inside.

Dardy rode with him to the hospital. His role was operating the bag, valve, mask trying to push air into Dawson's lung. And then Reddington stepped up for cross-exam. He was ready for cross-exam again. You know what the effect of hypothermia? Let me ask you, what's hypothermia? It's just the body under the, under temperature of the body. Under temperature of the body? Your body is not at temperature that it should be. Right, because of the environment, right? Cold, right? Sometimes it can be medically induced, right? Hypothermia affects the blood flow, doesn't it?

Yes. In fact, you actually have a thing called therapeutic hypothermia, right? Like if they have to restrict the blood flow to either a heart or a brain or something that a person can be induced medically to be cold. Yes. And it would restrict blood flow, right? So all these questions about whether or not there's blood seeping through the wrist bandages and whether or not there's blood to the holes

on the neck brace. You don't know what effect the hypothermia or if any had on that. No. Thank you, sir. Readeret. Sir, there's typically heat in a hospital, correct? Usually, yes.

And were you aware that, well, Ms. Clancy went to South Shore Hospital, correct? Yes. And are you aware that the wounds on her wrist did not have to be sutured until the following day? I didn't get any of that. information after. Were you aware that the wound on her neck never had to be sutured? Same answer.

Thank you. Anything further? Thank you, sir. Thank you. There was no cross beyond that, and the last witness of the day was Officer Vince Cahill from the Duxbury Police. He'd been with the department about five and a half years, and on January 24th, he was on patrol. Around 6.11 p.m., he was dispatched to Summer Street. It only took him a couple of minutes to get there, and when he arrived, He saw a cruiser in the driveway, an ambulance, and a fire captain. He had a straight to the backyard.

Lindsay was on the ground being cared for. He later learned it was her. And at some point, he heard loud screaming coming from inside the house. And because of that, he went in. He headed down to the basement. And when he got to the stairs, he initially went right following Patrick Clancy. Patrick was coming from Cahill's left and moving to his right, screaming, just screaming. As Cahill came down the stairs, Patrick pointed toward the left side of the basement.

That's where he went. And when he turned left, he saw two children on the floor. He checked the five-year-old girl, Cora, for a pulse. She did not have one. Firefighters came down and started taking over. So Cahill backed up. And as he did, he bumped into the infant, Callan, who was also on the ground. He checked Callan's pulse too. He did not have one either. Firefighters took over his care as well. The room was crowded. So he'll moved a large futon or ottoman to make space. He placed it on top of the couch bed, just like the photo in Commonwealth. The Commonwealth showed. And after that, he was asked to get equipment for the children. He went and got it and brought it down to the basement. He also assisted with Cora doing rescue breaths and CPR alongside Officer Josephine. He used a bag valve mask,

timing the breaths every 15 seconds. At some point, Cora was taken out of the basement and into an ambulance. He did not recall whether he helped carry her out. She never regained a pulse or the ability to breathe while he was assisting. Later in the night, Cahill was assigned to monitor who entered and exited the scene. He kept the crime scene entry and exit log, documenting every person who came and went. that wrapped up his testimony. The judge then surprisingly ended the day there saying the parties had things to sort out. And what is that that they had to sort out that we had a bit of an early day today? Well, the next morning would be, and that means tomorrow morning, tomorrow morning, there is going to be a tour of the former Clancy home. Yeah, the jurors will

see this house. Followed though by more witnesses back in court in the afternoon. So the tour is going to be very secure with law enforcement securing the perimeter ahead of time. Only the judge, the jury attorneys and court staff will be there. Lindsay, the defendant, she's actually allowed to be there, but she will not be there per her attorney. And honestly, this home. I mean, I don't think she would maybe want to reenter it anyway. But even if she did, or even if her attorney felt she should be there, remember, she's now in a wheelchair. And this is a two-story, three-story, a basement, a main floor and a second story. Home would be very difficult. The jurors, though, will get on a bus tomorrow morning. They're meeting at the courthouse at nine. They're heading to the

house, they're going to view the home, which includes the entire outside of the home, the first and second floors and the basement, before heading back to court for an afternoon full of testimony. And while there are very strict rules for the media during this tour, like basically not going, the same can be said for the jurors. They are not allowed to touch anything in this house. They're not allowed to open any closet door. throughout the home. The tour of the house is particularly interesting to me because the new homeowners did not want the jurors in their home, understandably. I certainly wouldn't want my home to be part of a trial being live streamed. Not that it's going to be live streamed at the home, but even then,

you know, just part of this. However, despite the homeowners not wanting to do this, A court order is requiring them to allow the jurors in, despite the home being described as looking nothing like it did when the Clancy's lived there. It's been completely remodeled with new owners. It's made me think a lot about how I would feel if I was a homeowner and there was a high-profile trial happening and a court forced me to let jurors it. I'm curious to hear what you guys think as well. And again, very, very different. today, right? I mean, I don't know if the floor plan has changed at all, likely it has, but from what we have heard, it's been completely remodeled, completely redone, new owners, nothing

like the Clansys. It was when the Clancy's lived there. What are your thoughts about that? Another thing I want to point out, because we got out of court early, we did drive through Duxbury, learned about the town. I will say this. It was very interesting to see the town. It was very interesting to see the town. It helped me. I imagine, remember, it's January. It's cold and it's dark. This is, this home was, it is a little bit more off the beaten path than I thought. Duxbury is very small, very beautiful. It is a beautiful neighborhood looks like a beautiful Cape Cod neighborhood. It seems like certainly nothing bad ever happens in Duxbury. That would be my speculation driving through that town, which is why I'm sure the shock and of this crime is still affecting

those first responders and everyone in that town. So it did help me to understand the lay of the land. I also drove past, this is great, this is good. I mean, talk about how unaware I am. Sometimes I think I'm so aware of certain things like the Buckingham Bow, right? But then there's other things that I can't believe completely like pass my mind. And I was thinking to myself, I want to see where the hospital, where the children were taken. And lo and behold, it's next to the courthouse. And you actually look at it from our, like you can see it from the courthouse. So every time Lindsay arrives at the Plymouth County Courthouse, she is looking at the hospital where her children were declared dead, where they were taken.

Not unfortunately, you know, Dawson and Corr's last breath were taken at Summer Street. But they were declared dead at this hospital, and it's right there, right by the courthouse. I knew it was close. I just, I don't know. I just, I knew it was close. I knew the building and I just wasn't putting the two together. And, and then all of a sudden, I'm like, that is literally it. That is it.

So, yeah. So Lindsay Clancy sees that hospital every day, you know, every day. Anyway, yeah, I would love to know your thoughts. I'm going to answer a few questions here. Yeah, what you think about being a homeowner happened three years ago. A big thank you to WebSlu. live for being here. That means Trisha Griffith. Tricia's a dear friend. And for those new to our channel, WebSlewis is an incredible channel that she often goes live nightly as well, covering

of recent crimes and older crimes and raises money to help cold cases, author and DNA solves. And she's a wonderful person. Thank you for being here, Trisha. Thank you, Darding, for your support and your generosity. Caroline. Caroline says, how does being in psychosis affect your ability to pre-plan? Where is Dr. John? Dr. John's preparing. Dr. John will be here. Each night right now, we want to bring you the latest from court, but as soon as we get a bit of a break, which I think is coming up, Dr. John will be here, and I will relay this question to him. So Colby says, so sorry you're here in Massachusetts for such a bad reason and with such crappy weather. Well, first off, thank you. It is a bad reason.

It's sad to be back here. But I have many good memories in Massachusetts. In Massachusetts is a beautiful state. And I love this state. And then as far as the crappy weather goes, I, back where I live, it's 120 degrees right now. So I'm good, Colby. I am good with this weather. I meant it when I said, my hair might be a little frizzy, but, I meant it when I said I enjoyed the fog and the rain and the wind this morning. Sincerely, I feel like this is like a tropical vacation weather-wise for me. Other than that, there are zero vacation vibes. But I am grateful to not be in the heat right now.

So thank you. Will there be a journalist allowed to tour with the jurors? They will, as it is in other cases, no. There is no media allowed on the premises. is there will be, I believe the media outside, but there's very strict rules because they don't want them to film the jurors and they're going to keep this very closed. The judge will be in there, though, to oversee everything, Judge Sullivan,

as is both the defense and prosecution. Shadowflyer says, I am confused. The husband said when he entered the bedroom, there was blood everywhere. Yeah, Patrick Clancy explained it as a hose. like a host had sprayed blood everywhere, that it was on every surface, and there was a puddle in the middle of the floor. That is what Patrick Clancy said.

But they said when they found her outside, she wasn't bleeding out. Yeah, let's talk about that. And if there are any medical personnel that can share, I have confusion there too. We saw photographs of the blood in the bedroom. And Patrick Clancy's description, I'll just share this,

certainly seems to be accurate. See that that is true. it was January in Massachusetts. So I have a question for medical personnel. I was wondering, would the cold weather have something to do with it? Is it time? Sugar-free cereal. They literally tore down the Idaho forehouse where the layout of the homes actually mattered. But then they want to parade jurors through this house. Why? You know, it's a great question. I agree. Why is it so important to tour this home? I mean, the jurors will certainly be able to get a better field, but right, why some homes and why not others.

As a homeowner, Jackie says, I would be willing to help if I could. That's good. Yeah, someone said Lindsay didn't cut or sever any arteries. So in other words, that's,

yeah. And someone else said a spinal cord injury with slow bleeding. We did see, oh, someone just said, it's too bad they didn't have photos of the wounds. You know,

we did see photos of the wounds during opening statements, and I do believe that defense Reddington did that on purpose to almost get ahead of that narrative because they're going to kind of, they said that they were superficial. The prosecution said that they were superficial wounds in opening statements. And so in Redington's opening statements, the defense, he actually said, you decide for yourself. Look, and he showed the open, the wounds of Lindsay in the hospital. And they certainly, let's just share this. Maybe she didn't sever any arteries. I'm sure we'll learn more as the time goes on and we hear from doctors in the hospital.

But clearly she cut herself. Clearly there was blood, but there was not outside. And so I think there's just simply a lot more to learn. And I actually love discussing this because these are the things I actually think that the jurors are probably thinking about right now as well. You know, what are they thinking? What are they thinking? And someone said the fact that she injured her T-spine, I'd have thought she'd have jumped. out of the window face first, that's actually what

Reddington, the defense said in their opening statements as well. He said it was similar to, if you dove into a swimming pool and hit the bottom the same type of fracture and that she hit head first. So she, in other words, essentially dove out of the window. But nobody mentioned she tried three different things. So in other words, she crushed pills up. sounds like benzodiazepines, which is why the narcan didn't do anything.

Then she caught herself in three places and she jumped. Three things. Three. I thought wrists. I was, I always thought it was both wrist. Oh, were there multiple cuts on wrists? Oh, so because I was like cuts on wrist. Oh.

See, even I'm like learning. Thank you guys. This is like my favorite part. let's chat about this. Let's process it. Yeah. So, no, they purchased the house knowing what happened, and, you know, there had not yet been a trial. You know, maybe, they probably didn't think about that, but, yeah, shock, cold, clotting, hypothermia. Oh, yeah, she may have landed on her head and her feet fell over. Right. I actually think that that's likely what they're saying, because again, Reddington said in opening statements head first. That was her injury. So it was,

It would be, yeah, her feet would go over and then she would flip. And then her head, her face would be near the house and her feet away from the house. Yeah, Justice Jane, that's really interesting. Did Clancy have life insurance on the children? I have not heard that. I think I would have heard that by now. So, I mean, I can't say definitively because I haven't confirmed that, but I don't believe so. Not nothing I've heard.

It looks like such a cute New Englander style family home. I know, right? It's like picturesque straight out of, you know, Cape Cod. And let me tell you, this town is just as beautiful. It's actually even prettier in person. It's like a dream place to live. It's like straight out of like, I don't know, Gilmore Girls or something. That's what I think of.

I'm like, it's just, it's charming, right? If you think charming, that's Duxbury and their home and their neighborhood. Oh, how far are the neighbors? Nobody had a camera on the side of the house. Yeah, you know, so first off, let's point out that I'm, I saw the home in July and in January it's going to be very different because right now it's so lush. There's greenery everywhere. You can hardly even see the house from the street right now in July. I don't know what it would be like in the winter without the leaves. It would be very different. But no, the houses are not necessarily close together, not sprawling fall apart. It's not like they're fall apart. It's not like they're fall. arms, but they're not super close either. So, yeah, if that helps to kind of clarify. And again, right now, there would be no way I don't think a neighbor could catch anything with a camera. But again, greenery be very different in the winter, but I could certainly see why maybe no camera would catch it. It's kind of far back and the homes aren't right next to each other. am I explaining it well? We saw it together today. Yeah. We chose not to like film anything or take any pictures. We realized that another family lives there. We didn't stop. We didn't. Yeah, we just quickly drove by. We didn't. This wasn't like we didn't stop. We didn't want to linger. It was what? Here, jump on. Do you want to jump on with your voice at least? Hi. No, I actually just, the only thing I really noticed, I thought this was like a neighborhood. I've always thought this was a neighborhood. And then when we,

Like, what do you mean by neighborhood? Because I saw it as a neighborhood, but like... I thought multiple homes and maybe like a subdivision type of thing. Oh, yeah, you're thinking a sub... Yeah, well, welcome to Cape Cod. There aren't subdivisions. I don't know. I agree there are.

But I thought like a subdivision, but then it was like really actually just the houses were far apart, a lot of greenery. It was just New England. It was just like Cape Cod, New England. Yeah, not old windy streets, you know, that have been there forever. And actually what made me really sad was right as you, like if they were exiting their driveway as they drive down the road, there's literally a watch for children sign.

Yeah. Like that actually made me really sad because it's, like, it is so kind of like far out a little bit. It's out of the way. It's not like a, like, it's kind of out of the way. And so you could see that children probably do play there. Yeah, it was. It's great.

And showing her orange county. It wasn't like a subdivision. I'm like, yeah. Welcome to New Inn. That was great. Yeah. Grayson's showing. Yeah.

No. So we just, I saw the same sign. You know what's interesting? We saw the same sign and we didn't really even mention it. It was just kind of sad. So I actually saw it. Or maybe I said, I said watch for children and then you go around the corner and it's like you see their house. So it is.

It was very sad to see that sign right before. The homes are beautiful. And yeah, it's out of. It's out of a magical storybook or a hallmark movie. You know, maybe that's a good way to explain it, a hallmark movie. Yeah. So I understand now. People have said this doesn't happen in Duxbury.

I get it now. Also very small town. Like we went in and then we were out of the town. It was like just you're like in and now. Like there's some stores that are in Duxbury and some that are out. Nothing happens there. Yeah, nothing happens there. You can tell.

And so when you envision these first responders showing up, you know, I told you the transcription of the 911 call that we got. And we're actually have been like processing it. The part where at the very end he's screaming. And finally, it's like somebody understands what's going on. And he says, someone says, oh, shit, oh, shit. And we've disagreed whether or not it's the operator or, first responder years coming down, I think it's actually, I actually think it was Officer Hall and Officer, which is what, was it, Josephine, Josephine? You still think it was the 911 operator.

And then maybe like one operator, one officer. Yeah, one operator. The first one was a little bit more muffled and then the second one was very distinct. Yeah. So anyway, this this town really is yeah. And so yeah, I want to reiterate that though. We did not, we drove past very quickly. We didn't stop. We didn't slow down. We didn't take a picture. We didn't film. We respected that we just kind of wanted to get a fill of the land though and understanding. And it did help us in understanding. And it was, it was sad to see. And it is a beautiful home though. So I do hope that there is another family living in it that was able to remodel it and living. making memories and living a good life. And so, well, I understand the court order. It would be difficult. Her Orange County is showing there to make in front of her cape cod sweater. I got here and I thought, I'll tell the story. I got here. Well, I looked at the weather. It said 80 degrees. So I said, okay, I don't need to pack a sweater. Like, it'll be warm. I brought like one sweat set, but I don't really wear them separate. I wear like the pants with the top. So I thought It's going to be warm.

No worries. And then I got here and I was like, it is so cold. So my only option in a beach town was like a Cape Cod because I went to Target and I didn't like options. So here we go. But here's the question. Would you rather be in this weather or in 120 degree weather? This weather. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't like the humidity here. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway. So there you go. That's a little bit about what we're learning. And people want to know the jury.

12 and six. Oh, six men. Yeah, 12 women, six men, an extra large jury because they're going to have more alternates. This is such a long, this is such a long trial that they are, they're making sure they're going to have enough jurors. And so they're going to have six alternate jurors.

So that, in other words, if anybody bows out, they're going to have plenty of extras. Yeah. So, yeah. And very diverse. jury. I would agree. Like age age, age, yeah, age range. Yeah. So there you go. Are we staying the whole trial? Well, we've been talking about that for about two hours today. Short answers. We don't know. Short answers. We don't know. We're figuring it out. We're figuring out how we're going to be dividing forces. But we certainly want to cover this trial. We felt it's a really important trial. And again, Dr. John Matthias, my husband,

co-host and criminal psychologist will be weighing in soon. He does have some thoughts when it first happened when we had less information, but still quite a bit of information. He did weigh in on the lawsuit and some other things. But he's watching the trial as well. And so we'll have some things to say very soon. Anyway, I want to thank a few people too. I know that we, um, that was lighthearted. But I also want to thank the many people that have been reaching out about postpartum depression and their experiences with it. It's really helped us as we cover this trial, give insight. And I also want to share that Grayson and I do have opinions, strong opinions on this trial. Actually, I'll say Grayson has stronger opinions about this trial.

I am actually working very hard to stay open and listen. I heard recently we were asked why we were not sharing our opinions because I really do I want to I want to go through this evidence with the jury I want to stay open I always say change my mind I don't want to be so stuck in my ways that new evidence or new facts can't be looked at so I want to just lay it all out the way it's in court that's kind of how I value covering trials and I two have some opinions. I think that's probably noted in some of our first episodes on Lindsay Clancy. It's not like I've hidden my opinions in the past. We've done multiple episodes. Somebody that's going to do we have the same opinion. I would say that we, yeah, we definitely,

well, no, I think that like, well, yes, in that as far as the two extremes, like, we don't, does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. No, I would say that we're, that we're leaning the same direction. I just think you feel more strongly and are more emotional about things in a good way than not emotional bad, but like it's emotionally affecting. The way you feel about it is emotionally affecting you a lot. So, yeah, it's emotionally affecting both of us, but I think that I'm just trying to stay a little bit more. balanced. That sounded like a shade. I just sounded like I was throwing shade to you. I'm trying to stay more balanced.

You're not. You're a journalist. I get to just say my opinion. Question from Aspen. What do you see the jurors responding to the most? Any standouts? 911 call. Absolutely. I would say they're actually really like stoic otherwise. You don't see much emotions from the jury. Yeah. Do you agree with my assessment of what I said about people just being a little bit more stoic? here than other trials we've attended. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So just more restrained. There is a lot of, a lot of effort behind the scenes that goes into these. But we, yeah, we care and we feel like this trial is really important. And also, people have asked why we pick the trials we do. Someone else asks that. And it's because we're hidden. We want to understand the why. behind the crime.

We want to understand what can we bring value to? And we want to have our, like I said, our own beliefs challenged and things questioned. And I think that this heartbreaking case is one of those cases to try to really dig deep and to understand and perhaps, you know, learn some things for ourselves is what I mean. You know? And to, I feel like hidden to crime, we work very hard to be factual, to be evidence-based, and care about the victims and honor them with dignity and and victim-centered. And I feel like this is just one of those cases that we felt that, as we said, we could bring value to. So imagine it. It is trauma. You know, these first responders, you saw this actually, Grayson today. Let's talk about this. So for a moment, I was inside the courtroom and you had to go out to do something.

Well, I stayed in the courtroom. So when she was out there, all the first responders that were on that scene and testifying in court, plus more of them were out in the hallway. And she's like, it was like a big reunion out there. They were all hugging each other and seeing each other. And, you know, when you go through things that are stressful or traumatic, you know, you bond. and you guys, you know, these first responders experience everything together. They experience trying to save, you know, a three-year-old boy for, I don't even want, like, for hours doing everything they can and then go from like, I'm sure they're laughing

together and having friend and buddies and getting drinks together. And so, Grayson and I have been through a lot together. So when people ask about these types of relationships, welcome to your average newsroom when you're reporting. It's very stressful. It's very emotional. We have seen horrific things together. We've cried together.

We've... Lots of cried. Yeah, we've gotten frustrated with each other. We've... And we do a lot of laughing, though. And the laughing, I think, is what laughing and those damn needos or what get us through. That's true. And coffee.

Yeah. No, we... I mean, we have our newsroom moments. working, but we're also, I always tell people you're like my best friend because we work together every day. Yeah. It's like, it's just so fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, those first responders are very traumatized. Anyway. And you can't, you actually, you can't work this closely to somebody if you don't, if your personalities don't mesh well. Yeah. Yeah, we laugh, we cry. We do everything. This has been nice. Again, once more, thank you for allowing us to sort of decompress during a very

heavy, difficult week. So thank you for your support. We'll see you. Bye-bye.