Hidden True Crime - Rehab Insider Speaks Out as Nick Reiner’s Competency Is Questioned | Rob + Michele Reiner Case

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

The Nick Reiner case may look stalled—but it’s anything but. Before a jury can decide guilt or innocence, the court must decide whether Nick Reiner is mentally competent to stand trial at all. In this episode, we break down alarming new details about his mental state before the killings of Rob Reiner and Michele Reiner—including medication changes, escalating paranoia, addiction, and why his high-profile attorney Alan Jackson suddenly walked away. Sponsor: Go to https://shopremi.com/hidden and use code HIDDEN at checkout for 50% off. Dr. Johns First Episode Apple Spotify Dr. Johns Second Episode Apple Spotify About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sources: ⁠https://youtu.be/-WJi0aOPNzE?si=elVlhS35Y-qw_BZI⁠⁠https://youtu.be/3GtND9wFLiE?si=ovtbZ1Jr6nLyTCjb⁠⁠https://youtu.be/_7Qw1mJv9LM?si=ppg9ofnC08wo7yQb⁠⁠https://youtu.be/lgfcVtEv4Fg?si=9RYmF8fvvbjz66w8⁠⁠https://youtu.be/FkA2vyUT0tc?si=SQZergmDGEVx64dD https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15419681/rob-reiner-killer-son-nick-rehab-roommate.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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in the weeks and days before his parents were killed, this case becomes far more disturbing. and far more complicated than it first appears. And we hear from someone who says they knew Nick Reiner in rehab and shares about an oppressed anger that they saw in Nick toward an unexpected something. Nick Reiner is charged with two counts of first-degree murder in the stabbing deaths of his parents, Rob and Michelle Reiner, both Hollywood legends.

Prosecutors have also alleged special circumstances, which is a big deal legally, because if he's convicted, that opens the door to life in prison without parole or potentially even the death penalty depending on how the case ultimately moves forward. These are some of the most serious charges a person can face. And yet, we're still not even at the point where Nick has entered a plea, guilty or not guilty. We haven't even gotten there. And that alone raises questions for a lot of people, me included, because normally by now, we would have already seen an arraignment that plea. Do you please

guilty? Do you plead not guilty? And that's the moment when a defendant formally hears the charges. But again, Nick hasn't done that yet. And part of the reason is that his original attorney, V. Allen Jackson, abruptly withdrew from the case. The judge granted another continuance so the Los Angeles Public Defender's Office could step in, review the evidence, and most importantly assess Nick's mental condition, review his mental condition before anything else, moves forward. And that delay is actually critical because if there are serious concerns about the defendant's mental competency, the court cannot simply push ahead. Competency is a threshold issue, not an insanity issue. Competency is if a defendant isn't even mentally competent, the legal

process basically has to stop, full stop. And in Nick's case, competency is the central issue right now. When you hear that Nick may not even be competent to stand trial, it's really important to understand what that does and does not mean. It does not mean he's been found legally insane. It does not mean the charges disappear. And it definitely does not mean anyone is excusing what happened. Competency is a very narrow legal standard. If asked whether the defendant understands the charges against him and whether he can meaningfully assist his attorney in his own defense, that's it. And according to multiple sources, though, familiar with Nick's condition, the concern is that right now he cannot do either of those two things. One producer involved with a TMZ investigation described Nick as being almost childlike while in custody, childlike. And that description really stands out according to that source Nick understands that he killed his parents, but he can't process the consequences or understand. where he is right now. Another source explained that while Nick is aware of the act itself, meaning the murders, he doesn't comprehend the realities of jail, the legal process are what comes next. And that distinction is important because someone can know what they did and still

be legally incompetent to stand trial. So at this stage, again, the court is not deciding guilt or innocence, it's trying to decide whether Nick is even mentally stable enough for the case to even move forward at all. And until that question is resolved, everything else looks on the outside to remain on hold. But news reports have also revealed another deeply troubling detail about the days leading up to the murders, according to sources close to the investigation Nick allegedly expressed interest in obtaining a gun shortly before his parents were killed. And while authorities have not confirmed that he actively tried to retrieve one. Sources say the desire itself raised serious concern.

When person familiar with the situation said the issue wasn't what weapon was ultimately used, but what Nick appeared to be thinking about in those final days, right? Was he considering doing this? As one source put it, the concern wasn't what he had or what weapon he had or didn't have. It was what was going through his mind, right, to want to, obtain a gun. Sources also say the situation appeared to escalate rapidly in the days before Rob and Michelle were killed.

One person close to the investigation described the shift as sudden, saying everything escalated incredibly quickly. What stood out most to those watching closely was that Nick did not appear panicked. Instead, the source said he seemed focused, which made the situation even more disturbing, right, given his mental state at the time, another insider. noted that when you look at Nick's alleged interest in obtaining a gun, alongside the paranoia and delusional thinking we've heard of, later documented by doctors, it adds another layer of concern. And even though police confirmed a knife was used,

stabbing. Sources say the alleged fixation itself matters when evaluating what was happening psychologically, right? In that narrow window before the murders, Nick has repeatedly been in a delirious and disorganized mental state since his arrest, according to reports. He reportedly struggles to understand even basic aspects of his environment. He recognizes that his parents are dead, according to sources, and that he caused their death. But he doesn't necessarily understand why he's being held or what the process around him means. doctors evaluating him have noted persistent delusional thinking. Nick reportedly believes he's part of a larger conspiracy.

In other words, he's being set up. He's misunderstood or he's being targeted by outside forces. He believes that this is a conspiracy. There is a conspiracy to hold him in a jail cell because he cannot understand or appreciate that what he did to his parents landed him there. This all kind of tracks with what we've been telling you over the last day or so and what is in our documentary tonight.

That Nick Reiner was diagnosed with a very severe mental illness. It's called schizoaffective disorder. And it causes hallucinations, delusions, depression, mania, all sorts of things. And that he had been diagnosed around 2020. and he was put on meds and they were working. But in the last month before the murders, doctors changed the meds. Nick went off the rails. And this persistent detachment from reality is a major legal concern because to be competent,

the defendant has to rationally understand the charges communicate with their attorney, weigh options, and make decisions grounded in reality, including that decision what to plead, right, guilty or not guilty. Right now, sources say Nick simply can't do that. Psychiatrists in the jail are still actively trying to adjust his medication, and insiders say his treatment has not stabilized him yet. One source said, quote, his meds are still not right, and the doctors in the jail are trying to figure it out.

He's still delusional, end quote. Well, again, this matters because incompetence doesn't have to, to be permanent, in theory, someone can be restored to competency with the right medication and treatment. That's why the court is waiting, why the doctors are under pressure to find a balance that works, but those same sources say progress has been slow. And as we've discussed before, Nick was originally allegedly diagnosed with schizophrenia, although many outlets are now reporting his alleged actual diagnosis is schizoaffective disorder. Schizoaffective disorder combined and symptoms of schizophrenia, like paranoia and delusions, with mood disorder symptoms as well.

Experts say treating it is extremely complex and that medication changes have to be handled very carefully. Let me just say schizzo effective fits. Schizoaffective is not necessarily progressive the way schizophrenia is, but it has some of the same symptomatology. They can appear odd. They can be socially, completely sort of not perceiving things normally. they can become delusional, they can hallucinate, they can have severe mood disturbances, but there's a feature to schizo-effective. In fact, it used to be almost considered a personality disorder, and it's an extremely unpleasant condition to be around, and it's extremely unpeachment

for the patients. So, Harvey, you said we can't guess why he came off the meds? I can't. I can't. I'm going to guess, a couple things, because people with psychotic disorders commonly either stop their meds or refuse to take their meds or manipulate their psychiatrist into changing because of a variety of symptoms. Some of them quite legitimate. It's very unpleasant sometimes to be sort of pushed down with these antipsychotic medication. And we're always, as clinicians, trying to find something that controls the symptoms, but doesn't make them miserable. I mean, it might have been a good, it might have been a reasonable move. It was the wrong move, it turned out, but it might have been reasonable at the time.

In Nick's case, there's growing concern that his instability didn't begin in jail or even right before the murders. Sources say it began weeks earlier after a significant change in his psychiatric medication. Nick had reportedly been stabilized on medication, but he began complaining about weight gain, which actually is a common side effect of certain antipsychotics. We went back to our various sources and we were able to confirm that it was indeed weight gain, that Nick Reiner apparently had. that complained that he had gained weight, which he had, by being on these drugs, doctors accommodated him, changed the meds, and he went out of his head. Right. Doctors then switched his medication about a month before the murders. And according to TMZ's Harvey Levin, that adjustment, quote, messed Nick up profoundly. For someone with a serious mental illness

like schizoaffective disorder, abrupt or significant medication changes can be highly destabilistic. Experts say these changes can increase delusional thinking, trigger agitation, cause confusion, and reduce impulse control. In Nick's case, the medication switch reportedly coincided with escalating erratic behavior and paranoid thinking that later showed up in jail evaluations. And some people close to the family believe Nick should have been more closely monitored during that adjustment period rather than being left to manage it on his own or having his parents try to manage it. The point isn't to excuse what happened, but to understand why mental health professionals describe this period as especially high risk. Even with supervision, medication changes can destabilize someone with a chronic and severe illness, especially when substance abuse is part of the picture.

However, doctors reportedly could have placed Nick on a temporary psych hold for up to 14 days to stabilize him. The state is absolutely egregious in terms of how it allows us to help these people. Now, we don't know what they tried or attempted. We don't know whether Nick refused to go in. We just don't know what happened there. Clearly, it was wrong, incorrect, not to hospitalize him to get him stabilized. But it may have been the law and the patient that conspired against that.

And substance abuse very much is part of Nick's history. It's been reported that he experimented with heroin, methamphetamine, and cocaine over the years. He reportedly went through at least 18 stints in rehab, sometimes achieving brief period. of sobriety before relapsing. And that cycle is unfortunately common in people with long-term addiction. But in Nick's case, it compounded his mental illness. Drug use can dramatically worsen symptoms of schizoaffective disorder. Meth in particular is known to increase paranoia and aggression,

sometimes referred to as meth rage. Cocaine and heroin can intensify mood swings, delusions, and impaired judgment. Long-term substance use can also make psychiatric medications less effective. making stabilization even harder. Now, the way he killed them, Mark, was so brutal. It was carnage. I mean, I'm not going to say what we were told, but it is awful the condition those bodies were in.

And we talked to Dr. Drew about this. And he also believes, and we can get into this, why Nick Reiner makes. may have been on meth. And if he was at Exposition Park looking for drugs when he was arrested, that probably wasn't his first rodeo in that month. Here's what Drew said. The kind of violence that was on display here

to me still reads methamphetamine. I keep saying that over and over again. It's not enough to have decompensated skeezu effective the level of the violence. And when he was picked up, it's worth trying to understand what part of town was he in? What was he doing there?

Yeah. You know, was he near, was he near MacArthur Park? It was a drug den. It was a drug den. Guess what? That didn't start that night. That didn't start. That's probably he needed more and he went to get more.

Probably. I don't have any direct knowledge of this, but it's just, it's methamphetamine is the drug of violence. Well, like Drew is saying, probably, but when you start connecting the dots, Mark, you know, if he was going off the rails a month before the murders, he may well have been doing meth. in, you know, a week, two weeks, three weeks before he ended up killing them. Whatever your thing, it could be anything. Canva helps you make that thing a thing. Canva is a simple online tool thing. It's a way to design with our magic AI tool things.

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with substances that worsened psychosis and reduced self-control. And while investigators haven't publicly confirmed Matthews at the exact moment of the murders, Nick's history of stimulant abuse combined with the medication change and his chronic mental illness creates a plausible and deeply concerning scenario. Experts have also pointed out that many of Nick's rehab stays were short-term and focused primarily on addiction, not on his dual diagnosis. and short programs can help someone detox or achieve brief sobriety, right? But they don't provide the long-term structured care someone like Nick needs.

Dr. Drew Pinsky said that for someone with a complex case like Nick, a 30-day rehab is almost meaningless and that people like him need long-term, structured, custodial care, sometimes permanently. In Nick's case, substance abuse and mental illness fed into each other, making management extraordinarily difficult. Years before the tragedy in Brentwood, Nick's family tried one of the most extreme interventions available under California law. A court ordered mental health conservatorship. By 2020, his condition had deteriorated significantly. A friend explained that he couldn't take care of himself,

was living on the streets, doing drugs, not eating, and refusing rehab, all during the height of COVID. And under California's Lantern-Petris Short Act, the court, the court, Court appointed a conservator to oversee his medical care and finances. And for a time, it worked. A family friend said he seemed better, and that was because he was being drug tested and made to take his medications. Law enforcement records also show that police had responded to the Reiner home multiple times in the years leading up to the murders. Officers were dispatched to the Brentwood property at least six times over a 12-year period for issues including alleged family violence. welfare checks and mental health concerns.

One law enforcement source noted that Brentwood is typically a quiet neighborhood, and the number of calls to that home stood out to officers who recalled responding there repeatedly over the years. Regardless, the conservatorship was temporary, and after one year, Nick was deemed stable and no longer, quote, gravely disabled. And so the court didn't renew it. Once that oversight ended, friends say his behavior declined rapidly. He resumed old habits and deeply resented the loss of autonomy. The conservatorship represented. Friends said he hated, quote, being under someone's thumb. And one friend said that any mention of another conservatorship would have caused all hell to break loose.

Nick valued freedom above all else, even when that freedom put him at risk. And despite all of this, Nick's parents continued to support him financially, support him emotionally and even legally. They never tried to stop helping him, even when his behavior became frightening or unpredictable. They did not ever give up on him. And that tension between unconditional support and Nick's resistance to help defines so much of this story. We're also now learning of a detailed first-hand account from a man named Danny Filler, who says that he should, shared a room with Nick Reiner at a luxury rehab facility in Malibu when they were both just 15 years old. And in an interview, Danny said that Nick was actually his first roommate. And at first,

he came across is pretty welcoming and funny. But Danny says there was another side to Nick, one that could flip fast. Danny says that he remembers lying awake at night talking after lights out and says some of the things Nick would say to him were unsettling. Danny described it as, quote, very, very chilling, especially coming from another kid his age. Danny says what most stood out to him was Nick's anger towards his parents. And according to Danny, Nick would rant through the night about, and this is in quotes, how much he fucking hated his parents, end quote. Even though in Danny's words, Rob and Michelle Reiner were doing everything they could to help him. He says they spent millions of dollars on treatment, showed up to every family group therapy,

every therapy session, and were consistently involved, which Danny says was rare compared to many other families at the facility. And at one point, Danny says Nick's resentment seemed tied to his father's fame. He said, quote, he really just had oppressed anger towards the fame, end quote. And this is interesting to me because of the rumors about that Christmas party, right? The rumors about Nick asking people if they were famous at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party, a party just hours before the murders. Interesting to hear he could possibly have some oppressed anger towards the fame or fame. He added that Nick had no sense of gratitude and no sense of appreciation and just wanted to be at partying while his family was focused on getting him well. There were also moments of

volatility. Danny says he witnessed Nick physically attack another teen and that Nick eventually turned aggressive toward him after a comment set him off forcing staff to step in. Now before we continue, I do want to remind her, and this is all coming right from interactions that happened when Nick was 15 years old, 15. And let's be real, a lot of 15 year olds resent their parents. especially when they're struggling with addiction. Mental health issues or feeling trapped in a system they didn't choose to be in. Teenagers don't exactly have the best perspective. Emotional regulation, appreciation for what's being done to them, a developed brain,

even from loving families. Danny himself even acknowledges that everyone in rehab had complaints about their parents. The difference in Danny's view was that most kids still felt grateful. Nick did it, at least not then. according to Danny. Danny says he lost touch with Nick after rehab, but when he later saw the news about Rob and Michelle Reiner being murdered, he said, quote, as soon as I saw it, I knew exactly who it was. That's chilling, right? He'd been very clear about one thing he wanted people to understand that Rob and Michelle loved their son deeply, and in his words, quote, Nick is not insane, end quote.

At the same time, again, it's important to remember, right, that this snapshot comes from a painful period in Nick's adolescence, a time when emotions run high. Judgment is shaky. Resentment can feel much louder than reality, especially at that age. I mean, has anyone else revisited journals when they were 15 years old? Let's keep it in perspective. Or I'm trying to at least. But moving on to the night before the murders, we know that Nick attended. a party hosted by Conan O'Brien with his parents who reportedly wanted to keep an eye on him, right? That was a quote. They wanted to keep an eye on him. People at the party noticed antisocial and erratic behavior. He stared at guests for long periods, we're now hearing, asked unusual or inappropriate questions. Remember that question about, are you famous? And he got into a loud argument with his father. Psychiatric experts say events like this can act as immediate stressors, especially for someone already fragile. Psychiatric expert Dr. Eugene Lucas explained that

experiences like this can influence behavior and that typically the triggering events happen within 24 hours. So after his parents' bodies were discovered, Nick was found later that day near Exposition Park, close to USC. People familiar with the area describe it as a place where drugs are easily accessible. One local said, it's a drug den. You can get whatever you're looking for. He looked familiar. That was a quote. He looked familiar. And that detail has added, again, some more concern to the timeline. So at night, it's a different world, is it?

Man, it's like break this at night around his face. Really? It's everything lit up. I mean, are people, what can you find out here? I mean, there's, like, whatever you're looking for, but. Specifically, like, math, can you, you can get math, you can get, whatever you're looking for, well. And this is known. This is well known.

I'm not going to say I know it is. Yeah. Just do whatever you look. Well, listen, man. Obviously, I'm curious, you know, have you ever seen this guy particularly? He was arrested a while back. Right, right.

The Rob Reiner's son, I don't know if you heard the story, but, you know, big tragedy. He does look familiar. He looks familiar. you, you might have seen them out here? Yeah, I'm probably yeah. With Nick now in custody, legal experts believe his defense will likely pursue a not guilty

by a reason of insanity plea. TMZ's Charles Latiboutié said that when Alan Jackson publicly stated Nick was not guilty, what he was really saying was not guilty by reason of insanity, adding that there's, quote, no way he'll plead not guilty, end quote. Jackson, though, later withdrew from the case. case citing circumstances beyond our control and beyond nick's control sources say the nix family was blindsided and upset by both the withdrawal and jackson's public comments which they felt drew unnecessary attention to an already painful situation this morning uh i had to withdraw as

nick riner's counsel circumstances beyond our control but more importantly circumstances beyond nick's control have dictated that sadly it's made it impossible for us to continue our representation of Nick. I'm legally and I'm ethically prohibited from explaining all the reasons why. I know that's a question on everybody's mind. We expect the public defender to step in. They've already been appointed and very capably protect Nick Reiner's interests as he moves forward through the system. But be clear, be very, very clear about this. My team and I remain deeply, deeply committed to Nick Reiner and to his best interests. In fact, we know, we're not just convinced.

We know that the legal process will reveal the true facts of the circumstances surrounding this case, Nick's case. Well, I'll tell you, tell me your feelings as you're doing that, because I just, I can't tell you how it resonated with me. Well, I thank you for that. Truly, the best word for it was frustration. Obviously, everything that I said is absolutely true. It remains true. I can't describe enough how committed my entire team became I did and my entire. team became to Nick and his and his best interests, his best legal interests, through this process.

It was a rocket ship for three weeks. We did almost nothing else. And you know how it goes. When you go into triage mode, you've had those cases where you just have to set everything down and just move. You just, you forget basically your any personal life that you might have. You have to take care of other clients, obviously, but by and large, you are in triage. mode moving forward at breakneck pace, trying not to get outpaced by the government. That's one of the things that keeps you in the fight as a defense attorney is making sure that you're not just keeping up with them, that you're outpacing them. So we did that for three weeks. And to have to step aside was incredibly frustrating. There's also the question of who is funding Nick's defense.

He reportedly never earned a living independently and relied on his parents financially. After his arrest. Sources say his siblings cut off all financial support. Some reports suggest legal fees may now come from his parents' estate, which many people have described as tragic and bizarre. Legally, Nick is guaranteed representation, but funding can affect expert witnesses, private evaluations, and trial preparation. Nick's siblings, Jake and Romy Reiner, are grieving privately. A source described their pain as layered. I can only imagine, saying that in some ways they feel like they have lost. their brother too. They've chosen not to speak publicly even as media coverage intensifies, and friends say they're trying to honor their parents' legacy of compassion and leadership.

This case has continued to highlight serious gaps in how mental illness, addiction, and the criminal justice system intersect. Temporary interventions, medication changes without close monitoring, and the lack of long-term care options all play a role. As the case moved forward, competency evaluations will shape everything. Nick's next court date is February 23, 2026. What happens between now and then will determine not just the legal outcome, but how this case is understood in a much broader sense. It will force the court, the public, and all of us watching

to confront what happens when severe mental illness, addiction, and a system built on temporary solutions collide in the most, most irreversible and tragic way possible. Recently, my husband and co-host, Dr. John Matthias, who was a clinical and forensic psychologist, came on to discuss the case from a psychological perspective. And you can find those episodes linked in the description of this episode. There are two of those. Dr. John will also be back this week for an even deeper look into the psychology behind

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