Hidden True Crime - Trial EXPLODES Over Kouri Richins’ Jail Calls & Carmen’s Interviews | Day 11 Recap

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

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by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Hello, hidden jens. Hello, hello. We're on day 11, aren't we, of the Cory Riggins trial? And it's so good to be here. I need to talk through this actually a lot with all of you. And we have actually a really good live show plan for all of you, so stay tuned. But I have to say, you know, it's interesting, like just when we thought that today, right, would be the day that the jury would finally hear from the lead detective in the Corey Richens case. What did the trial turn into today for those watching? It actually just turned into like legal argument after legal argument, after legal argument, after

legal argument over some of interestingly though what's supposed to be the most i should say damning evidence in the trial thus far we learned a lot about what detective o'driscoll the lead detective is going to bring to the stand we just didn't hear from detective adriscoll so i've got my trust the process mug with me tonight because we're just going to have to trust the process here so although we didn't hear from detective o'driscoll we did learn that the state is essentially saving the best for last because what we did learn today is that O'Driscoll will be bringing the infamous walk the dog letter

allegedly to the stand, maybe, maybe not a lot of arguments about whether they'll be able to do that or not. But the walk the dog letter, we have Corey's own jailhouse calls. We can't call them the jailhouse calls, the not-not jailhouse calls, where they're the home wave calls

or the recorded calls, Corey's own words. And then there's something somewhere we learn today where she allegedly says that she's going to be set for life if Eric died. Like that's evidence that allegedly Detective O'Driscoll is going to bring to the stand if the state can have their way. So, of course, the defense is going to have arguments to this explosive evidence, right?

And they did. so much so that the judge finally sent the jury home because before Detective O'Driscoll could even take the stand today. We were on pins and needles waiting for Detective Jeff O'Driscoll, day 11.

The attorneys instead spent hours arguing over what the jury will actually even be allowed to see, which is, again, some of the most explosive evidence. And the rulings that came down today, It honestly, it's, whoa, it could truly shape, like, how the jury interprets some of this controversial evidence. The most controversial evidence really in the entire case. So it's a really important day.

Like, think back on famous cases, like the Casey Anthony trial, where jurors later said, gosh, if we had seen more evidence, maybe we would have convicted her. like this stuff matters today today really matters because of that right they this evidence that they claim they're going to bring with detective adriscoll is really important stuff the best for last i really think that's what the state's doing so the defense is pushing back hard and we'll go over what the defense is pushing back on and what the prosecution wants to bring plus plus i told you we had a good show, and tonight, joining me tonight to break it all down in a more unfiltered way, back by popular demand by all of you is Kathy from gossip, rumor, and innuendo, staying up past her bedtime so she can come hang out with us. She has some fascinating thoughts on a lot. She always

does. So, so stay tuned because she's going to join me after this. And if O'Driskell takes the stand tomorrow. Again, we could be heading into some of the most dramatic testimony of the trial so far. So let's together walk through what happened today because day 11, while it ended abruptly and with anything seemingly too dramatic, it does all, again, really matter. It's day 11 of the Corey Richards trial and before that first witness could even take the stand. And there was a witness in the end. But this morning started with a long stretch of those legal arguments. about what the jury will actually be allowed to see and hear. And the first issue, the court tackled.

It did involve Detective Jeff O'Driscoll, who, again, was expected to testify today. Defense attorney Nestor brought up a transcript from an interview. Odriscoll conducted with Corey. That'll be interesting, right? And the defense, of course, they did. They wanted several redacted pages from that interview, admitted into evidence. They wanted the whole thing.

Prosecutor Bloodworth pushed back on that pretty quickly. He argued that the context of that interview could come out during questioning, but he didn't want those specific pages admitted into evidence because according to Prosecutor Bloodworth, the interview was, this is in quotes, peppered with self-serving statements from Corey.

So in other words, statements where Corey's essentially explaining things in her way, right, a way that makes her look good in Corey's way. It's the Corey way to explain things. And from the state's perspective, those kind of statements shouldn't just be handed to the jury, right, without being challenged through testimony and explained, right? It's Corey's explanations.

Well, Judge Marizek ultimately sided with the state on that issue. he ruled that the interview itself would not be admitted into evidence in the way the defense wanted. However, he did say that the information from the interview could still come out during questioning as the trial moves forward. So the defense didn't completely lose the ability to talk about it, but they lost the ability to simply show those pages directly to the jury. In other words, the judge did agree with the defense on one point, though. another portion of the interview will be unredacted. And after that ruling, the attorneys and the judge spent quite a bit of time actually going line by line through the interview discussing what should stay in and what should be removed. It was very tedious and very detailed for those of us watching on the limestream.

A lot of back and forth about specific phrases and whether certain sections should remain redacted or not. And of course, watching from home, we don't know what all of those statements are, right? Eventually, though, this discussion wrapped up, and then the court moved on to another big topic. So we're like, okay, are we going to have the first witness or not? Nope. Then we went to Corey's jailhouse communications after her arrest. And the state said that these interviews and messages would be introduced through Detective O'Driscoll when he testifies. So again, a hint at some probably likely explosive testimony, right? and the defense and the prosecution then debated,

which jailhouse calls and text messages should be allowed into the trial. One message in particular became a major point of argument. The message allegedly says that Corey thought she would be set for life if he died. That's in quote, set for life if he died. So yeah, it's like we're getting a trailer of a Driscoll's testimony here in this stuff. I'm like, really? Really? So that's, that's coming. Again, the jury's not hearing this. We're hearing this. We're hearing the arguments.

Obviously, if he died is referring to Eric, I guess you could argue someone else, but I think we know it's referring to Eric. And so then the defense objected to that message being shown to the jury. Surprise, the defense objected. I mean, obviously they're not going to want Corey saying that she would be set for life if you died, that's motive. That's motive. Referring to Eric. So the defense clearly objected to that message being shown to the jury, again, honestly not surprising because a statement like that can sound incredibly damaging, incredibly damning in a case like this. That would be the motive that they completely set out during opening statements. And the judge ruled that the message will be allowed into evidence, though. So thank you, Judge Marzick. Thank you. So that will be allowed.

there was also some back and forth between the judge and attorney and by attorney i mean attorney nester about the jail calls overall nestor objected to the jail calls and asked the judge to give the jury special instructions about how they should interpret them the judge said he would give those instructions so that actually that's actually important because jail calls can sometimes be taken out of context right people say things differently when they know they're being recorded or sometimes they can say things casually that can sound much more serious when they're played in a courtroom. So the judge agreeing to give the jury guidance on how to evaluate those calls is meant to balance that. I hear some of your comments feeling like, you know, maybe the judge was actually being

too, you know, maybe not hard enough on the defense. But, you know, I think that's why the judge is there, right, to really make this a fair process. I think this judge has done a really good job on that thus far. And then, and then the court moved on to discuss the walk the dog letter, which we know the walk the dog letter. That is a six-page document that has come up several times in this case already. Prosecutor Bloodworth told the judge that he could see a scenario where the defense argues that this letter is simply part of a fictional manuscript Corey was writing. So let me break it down for you that are just learning about the walk the dog list. letter. The walk, the dog letter is like super problematic for Corey because she's essentially,

it looks like witness tampering. She's saying she's holding it up. Allegedly it's found in her cell. It says allegedly attorney client privilege. It's found in her cell. They realize that she maybe held it up and it said walk the dog on it for her mother. And it implies that she's kind of maybe coaching what her brother should say about Eric taking pills and et cetera, et cetera. I mean, it does look like witness tampering. It really does. Regarding the witnesses, Corey says it's simply part of a fictional manuscript that she was writing.

So he even mentioned the possibility that the defense could claim it was part of a larger 65-page. book. So prosecutor Bloodworth pushed back on that idea pretty strongly. He told the court, that is untrue, and we can prove that by proving how it was recovered. And that's in quotes. That is untrue, but we can prove that by how it was recovered. So in other words, the state believes they can show the exact circumstances of how investigators found the letter, and they think that will undermine any claim that it was simply part of a fictional story. When you finally find your thing, you want the whole world to know about that thing. So you use a thing called Canva to make it an even bigger and better thing.

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Carmen's already testified. She testified earlier in the trial. Defense attorney Lewis objected to having interview transcripts from Carmen's police interview with Detective O'Driscoll, introduced into evidence. The issue was really about how the jury would hear those statements. The prosecution wanted to introduce them through O'Driscoll's testimony about what Carmen told investigators, but the defense pushed back, arguing that doing it that way, raises concerns about fairness and the ability to properly challenge those statements. Defense attorney Lewis argued that this should have been addressed when Carmen was actually on the stand, right? Her position was pretty straightforward. If those statements come in through

Odryscoe now, the defense doesn't really have an opportunity to properly cross-examine them. She basically argued that the prosecution had their chance when Carmen testified and they shouldn't be able to bring in additional statements later through another witness. But the judge responded by pointing out that the defense technically could recall Carmen to the stand if they wanted to question her again. But Lewis still objected and said the statements shouldn't be coming in through O'Driscoll's testimony at all. And at that point, the judge asked the state whether these statements from Carmen were a pivotal

part of their case because if they were, then he said he needed to rule on the issue before Detective O'Driscoll took the stand. So here we are again. Like at this point, I realize we are never going to hear from Detective O'Driscoll today. That's the moment I realized I'm like, it's over. The state asked for five minutes to talk it over and the court went into a short recess. And when the court came back into session, the conversation changed into a bigger debate about Carmen's interview transcripts and whether the jury should have access to them.

So prosecutor Bloodworth explained that the state had actually been trying to recall Carmen as a witness so they could formally admit the interview transcripts into evidence, but he said they had reached out to Carmen's attorney and hadn't heard back yet. So the state clearly wanted those transcripts admitted because they wanted the jury to be able to review them. The defense immediately objected to that idea, especially if it was going to happen without Carmen being back on the stand. Lewis said if the state was planning to publish about 100 pages from the transcripts, then the jury should see the entire thing. And, And the entire thing is massive, massive.

We are talking roughly 1,000 pages and about seven and a half hours of interviews. So then Lewis even said that if the transcripts were going to come in, the defense would be fine, playing all seven and a half hours for the jury. Her reasoning was that the full interviews contain inconsistencies in Carmen's statements and moments where, according to the defense, she appeared to be influenced by law enforcement. during questioning. Bloodworth said he would actually be willing to send all the transcripts back with the jury, but Lewis doubled down and said, if a court was going to allow any part of the transcripts to go back, then all of them should go back, not just selected portions. So the judge suggested a possible compromise. He said that the full material could be available and attorneys could direct the jury to specific parts they should focus on.

Lewis immediately rejected that idea and told the court, I'm not going to stipulate to that. No. Then the judge and Lewis went back and forth for a bit, and eventually the judge said, this is the judge said, quote, I'll just make a ruling. I'll just make a ruling and said that some of Carmen's prior statements are admissible. The next question became how exactly the jury would receive that information. In other words, some of these prior statements of Carmen's are admissible.

That means that her story is going to probably contradict another story. So then the next question became how exactly the jury would receive that information, right? The statements could either be published in court for the jury to watch together. We've seen that or they could be admitted and sent back with the jury during deliberations when they're trying to decide guilty or not guilty so they can look it all over. Lewis said, and I have a feeling this deliberation is not going to be short one. I think they're going to have a lot to look at. But Lewis said if the interviews were going to come in, she wanted them published in court so the jury could watch them together during the trial.

Bloodworth disagreed with that approach. He said the state only wanted to show narrowly tailored portions of the interviews. His suggestion was that the state could play the specific clips they needed during testimony and then send the full video back to the jury. He also pushed back on the idea of playing the entire interview in court, telling the judge, quote, the notion of publishing nearly 10 hours of interviews is not productive and a waste of the jury's time. Thank you. I agree. I agree with that. But Lewis objected, again, this time to the idea of the full video going back with the jury. She argued that if jurors have the video in the jury room, they could watch it over and over again, and that's something that normally doesn't happen with witness testimony. Usually jurors hear testimony one.

and then they have to rely on their memory, right? Their notes. Her argument was that allowing jurors to replay Carmen's interviews would give those statements more weight than other testimony in the case. It was also said that interviews contain a lot more moments that show Carmen may have been unduly influenced by law enforcement during questioning.

From the defense perspective, if jurors only see short clips chosen by the state, they're missing, like, the larger context, right? Meanwhile, Bloodworth told the judge that the state planned to call one witness before Detective O'Drisco. He also pointed out that they would probably get about 45 minutes into O'Driscoll's testimony before the issue became relevant again. And after hearing both sides, the judge made a ruling.

He said the state would be allowed to publish specific examples from Carmen's interviews while questioning witnesses on the stand. But for now, the full transcript would not be sent back to the jury room. the judge again said he didn't want jurors giving undue weight to those statements. After that ruling, the defense asked the court for a two-day continuance. The defense is literally like, well, we need two days of the trial completely halted to deal with this. The judge denied that request and pointed out that he had raised this issue the day before and the defense hadn't objected at that time.

Thank you, Judge. the defense then asked for a shorter continuance, like a shorter halt to the trial until the next morning. The judge asked again, what exactly the defense planned to do with that time? And Bloodworth objected and said, this whole issue had already been, you know, brought up, teed up when Carmen testified.

The judge asked Lewis for some clarification about what the defense needed. I'm kind of with a judge at this moment. You know, like, what else do you need? It's like sort of like, you know, when your homework's due and you're like, but wait, I need two more days. Like, why? So after hearing that, he said he needed a few minutes to think about the request.

This whole exchange might sound a lot like a technical, again, legal arguing, but it really does matter. It matters quite a bit. Like, what the jury sees, how they will see it. And again, we're talking probably, again, the most damning, most explosive evidence of this case. this is going to have a huge impact on how they interpret also a key witness's credibility, right? Carmen Lauber's. The state clearly wants to highlight specific statements from Carmen, not everything she's ever said. The defense wants the jury to see full context, especially if they believe it shows inconsistencies or pressure from investigators for her to, you know, tell their truth, not the truth, but their truth.

And so this fight, again, it's about controlling the narrative that the jury ends up hearing. Like, this will be the narrative that the jury ends up hearing. This could be the difference between a guilty or not guilty verdict. So I understand why both sides are trying so hard. But at the same time, I'm like, dude, like, your homework was due today. Like, get with the program. And then nonetheless, when the judge came back, he announced that he was granting the defense's request for a one day. continuance. So after all of that back and forth, about Carmen Lauber's interview transcripts,

how they might come into evidence, the defense did get a little more time to work on it. Yeah, they kind of got their way. I also feel like it's like the kid who's like, mom, I need five desserts and, you know, everything I've ever wanted and go to bed at midnight. And then when your parents is like, no, you can't do that. We're like, okay, well, let me just have three desserts and go to bed at 11 p.m. And it's like, fine, okay, compromise. So he compromised with the defense. They have a day's continuance. The judge, though, explained his reasoning and said the court needs some clear guidelines

before moving forward. He's trying to be careful. I understand it. He's trying to be fair. He pointed out something practical that hadn't really been addressed yet, which is if portions of the interview are going to be shown to the jury, it isn't just about transcripts. It's someone actually has to then go through the video and edit the relevant portions of the interviews.

So they can be played in court. So there's that. The judge said he wanted to build time for a video editor to do that work. Lewis then said she didn't think the defense team would be able to have their written brief ready by 6 p.m. that evening. And the judge seemed surprised by that. And he said he didn't understand why it would take any longer. Lewis asked if the defense could happen until 11 p.m. tonight instead. But Judge Mrazik said no, absolutely no.

He explained that if the defense filed something that late, the court wouldn't have enough time to read it and the state wouldn't have time to review it either. So he kept the earlier deadline in place. The judge also made a point to clarify something about Carmen. He told the defense, quote, this is not an opportunity to recross Carmen Lauber. If you want to recall her, I'm not making any statement about that, and quote. So in other words, the judge wanted to make it clear that this delay wasn't meant to reopen

cross-examination of Carmen unless, unless the defense formally decided to bring her back to the stand. the judge then explained how the rest of the day would work, the court would call one witness and then go into recess until tomorrow. And finally, after all that, the jury was brought in, finally, and the state called Chris Cotrademos to the stand. Again, he's the cellbride cell phone expert who he's testified earlier in the trial. And the focus, though, this time was on text messages from specifically February 14th, 2022. What's that? That's the day of the attempted murder charge. that the state claims Corey poisoned a sandwich of Eric's.

Prosecutor Shervinak showed an exhibit with the text messages and asked Coach Ademos to explain the timestamps attached to them. And Coach Ademus explained that the timestamps shown in the, so the extraction, they're recorded in UTC, that stands for the coordinated universal time. So basically, that's the standard time format used in mini digital systems. universal time, and he explained that Utah is seven hours behind the universal time code. So during normal standard time and six hours behind during daylight savings time. So the software makes adjustments of negative six or negative seven hours in order to display

the correct local time. And these technicalities matter when investigators are trying to build a timeline. So if the timestamps are interpreted correctly, the timing of the messages could look wrong. So what the stay was doing here was making sure that the jury understands exactly how those times are calculated. So after that explanation, Chirvinax said she had nothing further for the witness. That was it. That was what the witness was on the stand for. Defense attorney Ramos also declined to ask any questions. So Coach Redema stepped down from the stand as quickly as he got up, but it felt like. And then at that point, the judge addressed the jury and told them they could go

home for the day. And they would not need to return until 1 p.m. tomorrow, Mountain standard time. Court itself will start at 8.30 so they can sort out the rest of the issues out from this morning. And honestly, that pretty much sums up day 11. A huge portion of the day was spent dealing with legal arguments. And I think Judge Marzick tried his best to strike a balance. I mean, I know that some of us feel like he's sort of lean towards the defense, but I think he was trying. He allowed certain statements to come in, but didn't want the jury to be overwhelmed with hours and hours of interview footage or transcripts that could give those statements too much weight, right? And depending on how things go in the morning, hopefully we can finally see Detective

Jeff O'Driscoll take the stand. To be determined, I'm not holding my breath. It feels like they might do this for five more days, maybe, but maybe not. Maybe the judge will make some rulings and we'll finally hear Detective O'Driscoll. But remember, I just want to say this, and I see that Kathy is here. Kathy is here with us. But before, really quickly, I just want to say,

you know, the state said they thought that they would pretty much be resting today. As soon as Odryskel takes the stand.

But now, now we're just, we're trusting the process, right? Kathy, let me pull Kathy on here. Before I switched to wealth front,

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of O'Driscoll. Hi, Hidden Jims. How are you? Listen, I listened to court all day today. Okay, on and off, because I have a life. The whole time, I was like, what, what, what? I had no idea what was going on, except for that one lawyer kept going, but I need more time. What about two days? And I was like, um, right, half a, what? Didn't you feel what I felt when I was like, it's like the kid that's like, Oh, the homework assignment was due today. Oh, finals was today. Well, I need two more days.

And you're just like, but I told you, right. I was like, where are those weed gummies? We need to examine the evidence right now. I need weed. Like, I don't drink alcohol. I don't take illicit drugs. I barely take prescribed drugs. I take HRT.

I could, like, have a nice soothing estrogen patch. But it was just like, this trial is driving me in. insane. And every morning on my channel, gossip rumor and innuendo, like, subscribe, and hype, I'm just like, I break down eight hours of trial into 20 minutes. And I'm like, I have no idea what I'm going to say tomorrow. I have no idea. We went to court and legally, legally lost stuff was said. And then one dude was like, I know how to tell time. And then the day was over. That's what happened as far as I'm concerned. I don't know what happened. I don't know. And I listen to you explain it.

I listen to Emily D. Baker explain it. I listen to Peter Tregos explain it. I have no idea. But you know, see, that's why I have my trusted process mug. I'm like just, I think bottom line is, at one point we're going to hear from Detective of Driscoll and it's going to be good. I think that's what I mean, if I could sum up what I just explained to everyone and I'll sum up to you, Kathy.

O'Driscoll's testimony is looking to be good. It's looking to be really, really good. We got to walk the dog letter. We got a recorded phone call, jailhouse calls, and we've got Corey allegedly saying, by the way, my life would be better. I'd be set for life if Eric was dead. So it was almost like it was a trailer. They think of today as like a trailer for what's to come.

You're just like, okay, it's going to be that good. When you have a full day when they're just desperately arguing, I think we can all to mind that this evidence is really, really good. Like, it's really juicy. It's like made for your channel, like gossip, and we're in a new one. So just trust the process. We're going to get there. We're going to get to this witness. But man, they're making this difficult. Aren't they? They're just three days. And now they're talking about a video editor first. I'm like, just let's hear Detective O'Driscoll.

I was like, I don't know what we're talking about. Oh, I would like go do something and I would come back and I'm there's, okay, the jury is not back in. Okay, let me, I'm going to go pick some stuff up off the copier. And then I went to a whole meeting and came back and they were still yap, yap, yap, yapping about absolutely nothing. Honestly, I don't even generally enjoy like the police witnesses. I want to hear the real people. I want to hear your personal business. I want to hear what your mama said and what you saw. And I was mind of my business and I was peeking out the window, you know, waited for my schmugs dealer, whatever it is. Like, I just want to know the scoop. I want to know that good, good. Please tell me your personal business.

The rest of this, although I do believe in due process. I do believe that Ms. Corey should get a nice, fair trial and then promptly be convicted so she could send her little cheeks over there to the Utah State Prison where she can live unhappily ever after. Because she sent that man out to the endless heaven buffet. It is a shame before the Lord. She knew she was going to poison him. She is heartless, just like her mama reportedly allegedly. Her mama poisoned her partner. Mm-mm.

Her mama's going to hell with gasoline draws on, but that's just my opinion. We know where Kathy stands. Oh, my God. We always know where Kathy stands. That's wonderful to have you on. I'm like, what do you think, Kathy? I have feelings.

And the little boo thing, what was his name? Josh Grossman? The paramour. I love that word. I don't know. I'm bringing that back. The paramour. Why haven't we been saying the parable?

When I did my very first will, I was my husband, he's my husband now. He was my boyfriend at the time. But I had a kid and he had a kid. And then we had these two kids together, right? And so I said to him and I bought a house. So I went to my attorney, my real estate attorney, but she did like all kinds of things. And I was like, I have a house. I have this kid.

I'm dating this nice guy. I don't want him to get none of my money. But I need to make a will. And so she writes out this will. And she included my then boyfriend. And she kept saying, paramour. And I was like, what is a paramour? This was many years ago.

So there was no Google. And I was asking everybody like, what is a paramour? And my one girlfriend was like, I think that means your side piece. I was like, well, he's my main piece. Can she edit this to say like she leaves her main piece, blah, blah, blah. So I think Paramore is fancy for Boothang. I know. Right, the side boy.

It's like, or the pool boy or like whatever. You're like, oh, it's like so proper. The maintenance man. Listen, back in my day when I was young, we called that the maintenance man. When I was single, I lived in an apartment and they would say like, oh, girl, you need you a maintenance man. I'm like, no, there's a guy who lives in the building. You need a man who just comes by and maintains you. I was like, oh, the maintenance.

He cleans the pipes. he hangs some drapes, whatever you need done, the maintenance man. So he was the maintenance, but she had a husband. He was the maintenance man. And that's exactly what Josh was.

He really was the handyman. She met him in South Carolina. She's like, do my maintenance. Yes. Don't you think to some degree this is a class thing? I've decided that this is like a class issue, right? Corey grew up scrubbing toilets in the rich people's houses. And she was like,

like Cinderella, like, oh, if someday I could just own a big house and these people wouldn't treat me like I'm garbage. And so she married in this prominent family and she's like, oh, now I have arrived. But she was still rough around the edges. And I would imagine that she would relate more to this maintenance man, the handyman, who according to his half brother was a, yes, the boo thing. according to Josh's brother, he was a narcotics enthusiast. I don't know if he's still a narcotics enthusiast, but he was on first name basis with some illicit street drugs and not just pseudafid, aka Red Devils.

I would imagine that in her spirit- I need to be the devil right now. Go ahead. In her spirit, Corey was like, I want to get down and dirty with the maintenance, man. And then go back and be the nice, proper. They were not like, they, I have made sections of the LDS community in a non-offensive way. I hope there's funeral potato Mormons who are just like your regular average, the nice people who bring a funeral potato cassero when grandpa dies. The one's top of corn flakes. The ones top with corn flakes. Right. Absolutely. Reliable.

Absolutely. Reliable and steady. Yeah. They're having family home evening. They're choosing the right. They're doing all the things, right? And then you have the better than you, Mormons. Now, every group has it better than you. There's a better than you, PTA, mom.

There's a better than you lady in the knit and circle. She knits better than you, right? And then you have the zombie Mormons. Those are the people who feel like Jesus is telling them they could kill people, a la Lori Vallow DeBel. Underneath. Pretty clear of those, by the way.

We just, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Put those people away. You could be really, really good friends with the funeral potato Mormons. And I have been sent many funeral potato recipes by my LDS friends since I started talking about my chart on my channel. But underneath the funeral potato Mormons are the Diet Mormons or the Jack Mormons. They like lightly LDS.

They go if like your kid is getting baptized. They like, it's a big event. They'll go. But other than that, they're just like, I'm LDS in my spirit while I'm laying here on the couch. on Sunday morning, right? They're not doing family home evening, but they're keeping a good thought, right? Yeah,

maybe the Eric Richard Mormon a little bit. Too? I mean, Eric Richard was kind of a diet Mormons. Yeah. They were coding. Coding, his, his partner was more of like the... Solidly funeral potato. Yeah.

Where Eric is probably more of like a pick what you want to the buffet. Yeah, yeah. He was a diet. He was a diet. I love this. Okay. You could tell. I'm liking these terms.

Like when they get on this. I'm like, okay, you're helping me make sense of it. Okay, keep going. This is the scientific formula that I figured out during the Lori Vallow Dave L'A try. Every time somebody gets on this stand, I play a game in my head. Mormon, not Mormon. Like, where do they fall on the scale? I get the feeling that the judge is like somewhere between diet and funeral potato.

I think that the Richens sisters are solidly funeral potato Mormons. I don't know that they have like a giant stash of like food for the times, but I feel like they have like a little bit of stash just in case. None of these people are better than you Mormons. These people all range from funeral potato to diet to just like plain heathens. I personally am a devoted heathen, but that's just me. I'm not going to say with anybody. We love for it. It's okay. Yeah. Yes. I'm committed. I am committed. Let there be no mistake about it. I was raised in an evangelical home. where we looked at others and went, oh, she's not a real Christian.

You know what I'm saying? Looking down on others, talking bad about them. That's kind of how I was crazy. And now you're like, what I really need is a channel called gossip, rumor, and innuendo because I need to bring, I need to like steer what I learned in childhood into something great. You know what I mean? Right. Right.

Yeah. Yes. The number of people who told me when I first started my channel, you know gossiping is a sin. And I was like, mm-hmm. Go on and like and subscribe, though, girl, because you know, you want to hear that good, good. Those are the main ones. They were the main...

I was at a funeral. I'm just running my mouth. I was at a funeral. And these two little old ladies... These two little old ladies were the heathens, so keep going. Wait, my son made me a G... He 3D printed me a Jesus. He was like, you need Jesus.

So he 3D printed me a black... I thought I was a Vladvator at first, but I see that it's Jesus now. The robes. It does look like North Vader. It's very cool looking. I see it now. It's beautiful. Yeah, the robe.

Okay, got it. I got it. But first I was like, wait, okay, I see it now. Yeah, my son is also heated. Where is Daredevil? I'm right here. Don't miss the return of Marvel television's Daredevil born again. So what's next?

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And they were rubbing the backs of people or whatever. And then we're walking out. This is when my son was little. So I'm walking out with my sister and these two old ladies are in front of us. And the person who passed away was like an elderly woman from the community. So, you know, all the old neighbors and the old friends, everybody from the old neighborhood came back. And these two old church ladies still dressed in their usher whites were going, oh, you see that sucker over there? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I used to date him, girl, back in the day, he had the good, he had the good weed. That one over there. He bought me that dining room set. Remember that dining room set? Girl with the club chairs? Yes. Oh, remember that? Everybody was a sucker.

Remember that sucker? I was like, weren't these two women just praying for people a minute ago? putting holy oil and laying hands. Now the time, oh, remember that sucker? Oh, man, that time we had all that liquor. I was like, they turned around and saw me and my sister. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord.

Okay. Sister Bessie, I see you. Anyway, back to the Corey Richens trial. She's a heathen, married to a diet Mormon, and I think she thought this was going to be her come up. But when you marry for money, you pay for it. It's the most expensive thing you'll ever, ever, ever in your life pay for. You'll pay for it all day, every day.

She got what she wanted. And it's like the dog who catches the mail truck. She's a dog going to do with a mail truck. A dog can't drive. But she was a dog who caught the mail truck. The pigeon who wanted to ride the bus, to quote Mo Williams, a real children's author, Not a pretend children's author. Not a pick-me girl children's author, but a real one.

A mess. The pigeon that wanted to ride the bus. Yeah, drive the bus, excuse me. Yep. Yep. And she was just like, she didn't blend. She didn't blend with those people. I do think she got.

Yeah, she was an outsider, I think, in the Richens clan. Yeah. And I think she thought, like when she went on that retreat in Sedona, whether you're like you're writing your life story or whatever, And she's like, my dad was an alcoholic. My mother was a compulsive gambler. And I thought, oh, I'll have a baby and that'll make me happy. I'll get married and it'll make me happy.

She was chasing happiness because thinking it was over there, not realizing that it was in here. And so she continued to chase. She thought money would give it to her. She thought more babies, more marriage, bigger houses, bigger whatever. It was an inside job. And she was young enough to maybe have figured that out. with some good therapy or whatever. Maybe she'll get some in prison.

Because she's not walking free. In my opinion. In your opinion. I'm not on this jury. Yeah. You didn't sketch the jury either. You don't even know what they. Yeah.

Oh, crazy people. You had. You had the scoop on that story. So it was like, you don't even know what they look like, right? I'm like, have you seen the sketches? Like, do we know? When somebody says, me the picture of the jury sketcher. I was like, who's this crazy heifer? And then people started

sending me an entire dossier about this woman. I got her high school picture. I got her pre-surgery picture. I have her full government name. I was like, y'all, I don't need her address. And I certainly am not publishing any of this. But I was like, oh, because you know I was nosy. You know, yeah, you, like that, you've got that down. The internet is going to internet, as you say, They set you everything on earth. Inside of two minutes, I was like, okay, I have a picture of the sketcher. I'm just going to put it on members only because I'm not trying to put this lady out here. In two minutes, they were like, here's her blood type.

Did your memberships go up? Did your memberships go up? Yeah. People were very excited. People were very excited to see her. I was like, okay, okay. But what I've noticed is sometimes. YouTubers have been like putting stuff up and taking it down, I don't have that good of memory.

Like I put the lady's picture up and then I was like, okay, whatever. I talked to Tanika, you know, Tanika from Tanika's Two Sense. I talked to Tamika about it. And then I went on, I was busy. I had other things to do in my life. I was like, I'm going on vacation. Tick-Tac. I need a swimsuit. I need a wax. I got things to figure out. Where are the good luggage tags? I had things to do. You were busy. You were busy. You were busy. You were busy. You were busy. You were busy. I was busy. Yeah, and you did have a nice vacation. Did you have a nice vacation? I was watching.

You go live from vacation. I was like, I need to know what she thinks. Oh, my God. My husband's like, are you going to go live? And I was like, no. And then I was like, okay, but let me just make this little video because I was, Poppy. Sorry.

Come here, Lily. That's Lily, right? This is Lily. Come here, Lily. You got, just. Lily. Oh, I love a dog. What kind of dog is Lily?

Lily is a lapar-due. She's a night dog. She's a night dog. She sleeps all day. And then all of a sudden, the moment I go live, she's like, okay, here, here I am. Let's do this. Let's play. Let's go. We have two little pups that at like nine o'clock, they start looking at me real hard.

Like, why are we still up? It is past our bedtime. I know, and it's past your bedtime, too, because we're on different time zones. You're in New Jersey. And where do I live? What do you call Idaho, Owada. I'm in. Idaho, Ohio.

Iowa. Anyone, Idaho, anyone like, West of Chicago. Anything west of like Illinois, that's the Idaho, the Idaho, region of the United States.

It's over there. I don't go over there. I mean, periodically I fly over there, but like, yeah, I don't leave nothing over there. I don't have no reason to go.

It's fine. So, so let's go back to this, I don't, who, the paramour, what do we call them? You call them side maintenance man.

Boothay. the side piece, the maintenance man. Did you read all their text? What did you think? Because we read them all. On our. Yes. Okay.

First of all. It was like a moment, right? Like, you know, I try to keep my language fairly clean for hidden true crime. But then in reading like all of Corey's text, as someone pointed out, they're like, oh, this is Lauren being a reporter. They're like, oh, look at her. Go. I had to put explicit language once, you know, Corey and the paramour and her and Chelsea and all those

texts were being read. But yeah, we read them all. My their restraint, it could have been filthier. But I was like, it wasn't as filthy as Chad and Lori. Remember Chad, Davey and Lori Valo? Like, there's where. You're going to make my lunch come back. Don't let's leave it alone. Let's leave it. You can keep going, but right, but right. But Corey and the maintenance, man, tell me what you call. Yeah. Both of them see. not that bright.

I get the feeling that he was sort of a loss so who was like, what was the little bird? Are you my mother? Are you my mother? You get the, he was like, I'm like, I'm so hard.

He was like, are you my lover? Are you my lover? Will you love me? Will you love me? He just seemed like a broken little soul. But his brother was on another YouTube channel. They have since taken the video down.

And his brother, oh, yes. Oh, yes. I didn't know. that. Tell us more. Yeah. Okay. So Josh is the product of a second marriage. And so the kids, the brother from that first marriage did not have a lot of nice things to say about him. He said that Josh was a user. He was a manipulator. He was a narcotics enthusiast. He was a womanizer. He has a daughter back in South Carolina that he abandoned to spend all his time and energy on Corey.

I was like, tell me every single thing. Because I was. to know all of his business. He had a lot to say about his brother. But this was before Josh got on the stand. And I think on the stand, Josh came off as very sympathetic. So the brother bad-mouthing him, I was like, oh, so this guy's going to be like a real dirt bag. And then he got up there and he was like, I don't know if I know what the truth is. The whole truth, what you mean? The whole truth, I still kind of love her. but also I knew I didn't love her and I secretly think she tried to kill him with some poison hush puppies

Oh yeah You did a video called Hush Puppie Gate Mm-hmm We didn't talk about that in Hidden True Crime But that wasn't interesting text exchange You know In the text messages He said something about those hush puppies

You gave me Disagreed with me And I knocked out for 10 hours Or 11 hours or something like that And I was like, she was just practicing poisoning people. And he had a dog named Panda, that Panda went someplace, maybe over the Rainbow Bridge, off to the endless heaven buffet. I don't know.

But he was just like, oh, I miss Panda. So I decided based on I feel it in my spirit that she poisoned the dog. Now, nobody is coming to my channel for facts. I'm not there for facts. I am not Reuters. I provide gossip, rumor, and eerie. innuendo. Please let us be abundantly clear.

I have no facts. But I feel in my spirit like she poisoned him and she poisoned the dog. I'm just I'm just saying. Justice for Panda. And the blue thing. I hear it. I spoke to Josh as

those that listened on my show as we were talking about the tax and reading the tax about the lima bean and the peanut pot. He did reach out. I did talk to him. It was Josh. And I will say the one thing he wants me to say, I want to know your opinion on this, Kathy. But the one thing that he wanted to make clear was that he was not crying on the stand because that he still loves Corey or that he was heartbroken.

He said that he was emotional in the stand because he was thinking of three boys that didn't have a father. He was thinking of the Richens family and their loss. And he was sad for the situation that Corey found herself. in. Okay. That's fair. If you cared about somebody a lot, whether that relationship was a good relationship or a bad relationship. They were together for a couple of years. They cared about each other deeply. He talked about how much he loved her. I don't think that love is on like a light switch. Like, oh, I love you. I don't love you. Unless it's a transactional relationship. So if he had deep feelings for her, I could see where he's like, I feel like maybe she did this terrible

thing, but this is still a person that I used to love. Additionally, is he putting money on her books? I just want to know. They should have asked him on a stand. I need this information. My heart broke for him when he was reading

like the messages and they were like, well, wait, did you send this? You know, I love you message or whatever. The same day that Eric died, I could see him being like, well, wait, as I play this all back and look at the timing of everything, it could be a scary situation for him. And so I feel for him in that respect. I also wonder, how exactly did she break it off? Was she like, did she have a life insurance policy on him? It's not really certain, right? I know. It's not certain how it's not been abandoned. It was just like fizzled. I wanted Is he still in Idaho, Iowa?

Yes. What was the final argument? What was it? What was the final parting? What was the never to speak again moment? I think it was. Now, again, I'm just surmising because it's what I feel in my spirit. He said that she was so different after her husband passed away.

But also, Corey has spent her life chasing, chasing love, chasing money, chasing acceptance, chasing, chasing, and she was so sure that. love a better life, whatever, was just around the corner. I agree. And I think he was probably better as a fantasy than the reality. And so she's like, oh, if my husband could be gone and then I could be with you and then she's like, oh, but wait, I had to deal with his family, my husband's family, and I have no money. And I have grieving children. And everybody thinks I did this terrible thing.

And I'm fighting for my house. How is there even room to have this little, like, fantasy. continue to play out. When she's got kids, she's got a raise now as a single parent. And a mama who is questionable at best, in my opinion, she's still free. Hi there, Lisa Darden. I hope you're having a lovely day. But that whole family is sketchy to me. The brother Ronnie, did you see the 48 hours episode? No. Ronnie Darden on the 48 hours episode was talking about Eric and the family and we're just trying to clear Corey's name through the whole 48 hours episode, he's wearing a C&E masonry shirt. And I was like, wait, really? He was wearing a C&E masonry shirt? When does come out?

48 hours did an episode one year ago and they did an episode two years ago in the episode that they did one year ago because it kept popping up at my feed. And so I was like, oh, I'll watch this. And so I was watching it. And it was clearly, it was when Corey still had Sky Lazzaro. I love Sky Lazzaro. So she had Sky and Sky is extraordinarily media savvy, in my opinion. She's also really lovely and a smart lawyer. But they had a clear media strategy.

We're going to put this in the media and we're going to try this case in the court of public opinion. So Sky was there. Lisa's no good. I mean, Lisa Darden, Corey's no good mama was there. there allegedly, no good mama. Her son Ronnie was there. And that baby, she didn't even raise JD, because Corey's mother had at least one child from a previous marriage.

Corey's father had a child from a previous marriage. Then the two of them got together and had two kids. That's exactly my same family situation. So I got it. When the daddy went to jail for six years, Corey's mother divorced the father. Corey's half-sister moved into the house to help raise the kids, but as soon as she turned 18, she was out.

She wanted nothing to do with them. But Corey's mother, the compulsive gambler, did not have custody of her son from the previous relationship. That son, DJ, was raised by his father. But he did appear in the 48 hours episode, but Ronnie Darden was all in that episode walking around

and doing this and that and had a C&E masonry shirt I couldn't look away. Yeah, yeah. Now that you said two years ago, I'm like, okay, maybe I did see one, but I can't remember the C&A masonry. Maybe you just have better,

you call them recording devices. You have, what are you called? My highly sensitive recording devices. You know what's funny? There used to be in the subway in New York City. They used to say, be careful what you say in your house, be careful what you do in your house.

You have highly sensitive recording devices, and then they would have pictures of your kids, right? Like, you've got to watch what you say and do in front of your kids. But I'm just like, every since, and that was probably in like the 90s. But now I'm like, I have highly sensitive recording devices right here and right here. Yeah.

Right. And your spirit. And your spirit. And my spirit. And your spirit. I'm like a little bit psychic, a little bit. Because things just rise up in my spirit and they feel true. I'm just saying.

It could be true. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have to go revisit that 48 hours. You know. It's the one from one year ago. It was because 48 hours has two episodes. They have two years ago and one year ago.

You want to watch the one that's from one year ago. Okay. Okay. Okay. It's featuring Corey's family prominently. It's all her side of the story. Makes sense. Yeah.

You know, she has support. That's something that's kind of unique to this case, too, is it's not just Richens family that shows up for Eric Richens. Corey has a lot of support in the courtroom every day for her, you know. That's amazing. I support. Like, you know, everyone deserves support whatever they're going through. You know, I'm going to have to say, I do agree with you on this class sort of thing that she felt like an outsider. I used you call the class Dr. John says what is home to Corey Richens we did an episode recently.

I saw that you saw you got to gave the TLDR which a lot of people said like could you like concise you know make this more condensed John and Lawrence if you want it more condensed there you go Kathy just gave it to you so that's the condensed version every morning I'm like eight hours eight hours of trial I'll give it to you I mean although some days it stretches to 40 minutes but I watch everything on 2X. So even if you watch my 40-minute episode on 2X, it's still a 20-minute episode. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I do think there's, I think that she felt like an outsider.

I think she wanted something. The interesting thing that John pointed out in the episode where John kind of breaks it all down is that she wanted stability over anything else, right? And it's amazing how human beings do this. Like she said in that Sedona, Arizona, truth speaks or whatever, You know, it sounded a little hokey, this little thing that she went to. But she said she wanted stability. She was going to have stability.

And yet she did everything she could to not have stability, right? It's like how to create it. She didn't know how to create it. And she had it. Yeah. Yeah, I was really struck when Dr. John said that because she didn't have the blueprint. She didn't know where to find it. But also, there are a lot of people who grow up in less than ideal circumstances.

And they have to create. something that they've never seen and never experienced. It's like I'm dreaming of this thing. I hope this is what it looks and feels like. I mean, frankly, I'm sober for 30 years now. I've had to do that in my whole life. I had to create a life that I had never seen in front of me. My husband and I are both from divorced families. And I was like, I want to have a stable, sane household where it's not like, where it's not chaos. And I did not grow up in that. I didn't grow up with it around me. I had to create something that I had never seen it all. And so I get why and how Corey repeated the same patterns as her mother. Her mother was chasing the almighty dollar. Corrie was chasing

happiness. And so both of her parents were addicts. And I don't think that means you have to be an addict, but it really raises the likelihood. And she specifically said that they lost several homes to foreclosure and cars to repossession. And so I could see her being really obsessed with like trying to get the money and trying to get the things in chasing another deal and another deal. And she created way more chaos for her children than she lived in because I think she didn't know how not to. Yeah, I agree.

No how not to. Right. We repeat the same patterns. One person said in chat, but she had stability. She married Eric, who was hard. working and had the successful business, I know it's, that's where the psychology comes in. Like, you can see she had it, but she, she didn't know what that felt like, as you say, she didn't know what that was supposed to feel like. She didn't know what that was and she's still

repeating the same patterns. Yeah. There's a way in which that level of chaos feels like home. Even if you hate it, even if you're like, I don't want to do this, da da da da da da da da da. But if you go into a house where things are calm and quiet, you're like, what is this? Because she had an unquiet spirit, in my opinion. And chaos to her felt like home. It's what she knows. It's what she lived in. And so she just created what she was used to having. Yeah. I feel sorry for her. Her friends seemed like nice enough people. I actually, I liked that her friends came. It gave me a lot more compassion for her. I still think she's a lying liar who lies and possibly a sociopath and an unfortunate unaliver, but she's also still just a broken little girl, in my opinion,

who should heal herself and in prison far away from those kids of hers. Yeah, it's okay. You know, we always say you can feel sorry for the child someone was and what they went through and you don't, you can still feel absolutely disgusted by what they might have done in the choices they make but still have empathy for what they went through, you know? Yeah. And she can create a new life for herself. Like she can create a different, better life for herself behind bars. Because she's not dying. If she gets convicted, right, she goes to prison, but her life is not over. Her life looks differently. And so hopefully she'll be able to create some sort of meaning with the rest of her life. She's a young woman. She'll be able, hopefully,

she's able to find some peace and create something better for herself. And if the kids are being raised by the rich ends, which they reportedly are, hopefully she was able to give her children the peace that she wanted for herself by stepping out of the picture and letting those sister-in-laws that she can't stand raise those kids. Well said. Man, well said. Look at you. Bringing the wisdom. Bring in the gossip. Bring in the wisdom. Yeah. The gossip lady knows some things. Listen, 30 years are trying to get your life together. You learn a couple of things. Thank you. Thank you for bringing it here. We are so, we know it's late where you are. You're so wonderful to bring your thoughts. We want to do this again next week if you can.

But I think if you take off, though, we need to share the love, hidden gems. Go subscribe to gossip, rumor and innuendo because you are getting your channel up off the ground. You are needed in the true crime community. Oh my gosh. You know, you are, you are empathic, you are kind. We always talk about a hidden true crime. Look, you need some dark humor and some unfiltered reactions to get through this sometimes. It's a coping strategy sometimes, but you do it without losing humanity and we need you. You know what I mean? So, yeah. Thank you. I mean, honestly, for most of these people, I have a lot of compassion for them because I just feel like they're just a bunch of humans trying to figure it out. And some of them make terrible, terrible mistakes.

But I think there's a chance for redemption for everybody. Some of that redemption, you're going to have to find behind bars. And please don't be my neighbor. I don't want to see you down at the stop and shop. Like, no, thank you. But you can make a nice life for yourself over there in prison far away from me. Yeah, right, right. And right.

and invite all your friends to testify so we can listen to them. Invite a.k.a. and get all your business. Get all your, oh, the way I want to know all her personal business. Also, where are Bryce's pants? Where are Bryce's pants? And where's his, at this point, I think he just deserves to testify. We have heard more about Bryce. We know as we think about Bryce. What did you think about those texts? I just said, we're going to let you go. And then I thought, oh, my gosh, you had to bring Bryce up. That was your fault, not mine. But, Bryce, that was like a loaded, that was like a loaded subject matter right there.

We've got Bryce as in who she called Bryce. That was wild. You know, I actually kind of feel bad for Bryce because he was being recorded without his knowledge. I felt bad for the guy there. And then you have pantless Bryce. And then you have defense attorney Nestor saying yesterday that Bryce and Eric had some sort of relationship, which I actually thought was a very low blow. I thought it was a low blow.

Absolutely. Yeah. We're throwing everything at the wall, and it's like, you know what? You're throwing everything of Bryce, like the wall of Bryce. I'm like, we're out here looking for Wendy Adelson, Nancy Guthrie, and Bryce's pants. Like, we need a search party so we can find all the things. But the way that the defense team tried to make it like there was some sort of homosexual relationship going on between Bryce and Eric, when there were clearly just two dudes being stupid, I was like, man, what are you doing?

But maybe in that community with that audience, maybe it has, like, maybe things hit differently, right? Because if you're, even if you're having, if you're gay or buy or whatever you're doing, here in North Jersey, nobody cares. Yeah, you do your grasp and keep your dog on a leash. Like, those are the most important things. But maybe in that community, it's like hair on fire moment. I don't know. It's weird.

I don't know. It was weird. Well, I also thought it was like a moment of like, tell me you don't have anything on Eric Richens without telling me you don't have anything on Eric Richens. When you're going that direction to me, I was like, they have nothing. I was thinking we might learn of an affair. I was thinking we might learn of actual sexting with other women. You know, I was like, okay, you know, nobody's perfect. Everyone's got a past. This wasn't a healthy marriage. Like, you know, there's going to be some demons in the closet. And then all they've got are like joking between him and his pantless buddy. Like, give me something more.

Like, that's it. That's possible. You've got nothing. Emotional affair with a lady, which I'm like, okay, an emotional affair, which if my husband had an emotional affair, it would be a problem. But like an emotional affair where he's having like intimate conversations with some woman possibly while she's over here with a whole maintenance man. Like, come on now. It's clear. This man is coming. Yeah.

Yes. Yeah. They're over here doing the full in and out. And he's over here having like making moon eyes at the girl down at the job. Like, come on now. Corey, his moon eyes were not going to leave you with the itchy scratchies. What she was doing could have fully given him fire in his pants. It's not a fair comparison.

It's inappropriate. What she said, I agree. What you said. Thank you for bringing that home. Yes. I keep trying to get recovery addict to come on my channel. And then sometimes I say things and I'm like, right. Yeah, no, he can't come on my channel.

He's like, he's a nice, decent LDS man upstanding in his community. community and I'm over here talking about fire in this boy's draws. We can all show up on your channel. I think that your channel, like, we all need to show up on your channel. It's like therapy, you know. It's like our dark humor therapy. Like we're just like, sometimes we're having a hard time. Just like just go hang out with Kathy for a while.

Just go go to Kathy's channel. Go to gossip room in any window. Get better. Feel better. Come back. Every morning. Every morning I give you the quick and dirty of what happened in trial yesterday. I don't know what I'm going to say about today.

We're going to find out together because I don't know. But yeah, I just tell you what happened in trial the day before and then send you on your way with a smile. I usually post before 7 a.m. Eastern so early early, because I get up at 5. Anywhere between 4 and 5 a.m. on the East Coast every morning. I'm like, let's go. And you'll always tell us how you really feel. So that you can rely. You and your spirit and your recording devices and your ears.

You will tell us how you really feel. will never questions. Yeah. Absolutely. All right. Okay, well, you get some sleep. I know it's late where you are. It's a joy spending time with you.

Thank you. Love to the family, to Dr. John, to Lily, give her some belly scratches for me. She's right here. She is like sprawled. Like, yeah. Sweetie girl. Sweetie girl. All right.

You guys have a good night. I'm going to bed. Okay. Go crash. We'll see you. Goodbye. All right. All right.

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Lily is sprawled on me right here. Let's see. Lily, say hi. She found her place. I'm going to take off. So court is back in session tomorrow morning, but the jury's not. The jury is not coming until 1 p.m. So we don't know what the morning holds, but we're going to find out.

And just everybody crossed their fingers that at some point, we get to Detective O'Driscoll's testimony. Because what we learn today is it's going to be bombshell after bombshell after bombshell. That's what we learned today. And the defense doesn't want that. And so this is like the end all be all. This is like the final fight. This is like everything, right? this is like we're putting on their boxing gloves saying no way this is what we want the prosecution saying this is what we want

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