High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - A High Hopes Breakdown: Game 5 of the 2008 World Series

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

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Hot Cloud Storage on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the high hopes podcast. It's a bunch of baseball nerds talking about the Philadelphia Phillies on radio.com and sports radio. 94 WIP. Yo, it is another edition of the high hopeses Podcast round two, let's say.

Fritzy, how you doing, buddy? Yes, the Jeff Jenkins version of this podcast. Hand up. We never lie to the High Hopes listeners. It's the staple of this podcast. I would say it's actually the only reason people keep coming back because they say to themselves you know what those guys don't lie to us and uh we're not gonna about to start that now so last week thursday sent out sent out the bat signal said we're recording we watched game for anyone real quick just so you can be up to date here if

you have not watched game five 2008 world series again pause this pod and go watch it because that's going to be what we're talking about but we we watched game five and we got together was it last thursday to record we got 52 minutes into the podcast so we're in the home stretch what happened jack my computer now you're probably saying to yourself how does your computer die don't you see that coming and yes it's to be fair it's a fair question it's a fair question it is a fair question but let me just counter count like this it died 10%, which I think is ridiculous. It had never died on 10% before. I've had this computer since my sophomore year of college.

I've been through trials and tribulations with this computer, and it had never died at 10%. My charger was in the other room because I was recording in a different room. Now I'm in that same room but my computer is plugged in this time so hey yeah so it wasn't great i felt really bad about it we were 52 minutes in you did of a podcast that i thought was pretty good i thought it was i thought it was great not not to you know tease the listeners too much but it was a damn good podcast yeah and this is not the bryce harbour podcast all over again where we can just post the post the right yeah this is all gone it's all and

also well two parts that one my wife has been walking around the house for the last week saying release the james cut which would just be me talking and silence for like three minutes at a time yeah that'd be awkward We probably won't do that. But it's also different than the Bryce Harper podcast because this is the first time we're like, you know, repeating it in a way. Because the Bryce Harper pod was new. We had talked about he wasn't going to come and then he was coming. So it was brand new. This we're like doing the same thing.

Yeah, just have to sell it again well let me let me not miss something that that i mentioned in the last one that i want to i want to make sure i hit on going back to the beginning of this one and technically the last one too i don't i want i i'll be remiss if i didn't mention the fact that when i did the yo the first time and thus this time too i thought about what it would be like to actually do the yo yeah after the phillies win a world series and this is a conversation we had but uh you know it's gonna be special someday jack yeah it's it's a podcast that i'm not sure i'm ever gonna fully be ready for oh no well because like all, now we're both in way different parts of our life this time around.

Thanks, buddy. Yeah. I mean, you were still in your 30s for 2008. I was in my 20s for 2008, asshole. I was a freshman in high school. That was one of those where you weren't just trying to make me feel old and junk. You actually thought I was in my 30s. That's great.

Close enough. That's going to be a podcast that... It's going to be something that I've never experienced before. It's going to be a lot of crying. This time around, it's going to be way more special because we'll be with the high hopes listeners and and they'll be with us through the whole journey and hopefully you know the the audience continues to grow but like that uh a podcast after the phillies win the world series would just be insane i was actually as i was re-watching the game i was thinking wow what if we had to do a podcast after this?

I mean, it'd probably be a very drunk podcast. Oh, yeah, buddy. I think that's what the podcast would call for. So here's to hopefully one day being able to record Philly's World Champions podcast. I don't know when it's gonna be but eventually we will be able to do one yeah the whole thing might just be me going yo it might just be elongating the yo for an hour it would it would be a yo pod and that's it it would be a yo that

would eventually just turn into you crying considering as we'll get to i definitely cried during the rewatch of game five of 2008 yeah i'm guessing it would be me crying yeah i too i too welled up i too welled up i welled up um it was it was it was fun to go back it was fun to go back i uh i i missed some portions of that game i missed portions of that team i missed the way they play baseball um and uh you know i i've long been a proponent of joe buck is better than people say he is like i actually love it's one of my life life ethoses really dude i love joe buck love joe but i will say was dreadful during the during that world series oh yeah that honestly end of the night is really the only thing he did good that whole run um well and he's talked about it too

it's like I guess whenever the vocal cord thing happened to him like 2011 or whatever like he totally changed how he went about his business and he was like i should put a motion to this i should actually you know feel what i'm saying instead of trying to do a pat summerall impression yep and well he he also was saying how like uh it just got to his head too much of trying not to anger the fan base he was calling the game in um and just started calling the game like he knows he could so you know so what if it was during the peak of Phillies baseball in my lifetime and we got a dog crap version of Joe Buck? You know, this podcast is all about letting people grow,

and Joe Buck has definitely grown since the 2008 World Series and the whole run because, man, just a brutal effort in 2008. All right, before we dive into the game, speaking of Joe Buck as a nice little segue, this is maybe the one advantage of your computer dying and us getting to the podcast today as opposed to last week is really quickly before we dive into the 08 Game 5 rewatch, repod, whatever we're going to call it,

11 years ago today we lost harry cows uh we're recording monday night april 13th 11 years ago today um what you know thoughts on harry and what it's like 11 years later for you yeah so today uh we did a whole we did a lot of harry stuff today on the. So my whole morning was pretty much just looking at all these old clips. Yes, and Jack coming into the studio, my producing studio that I was in, being like, how do I cut this down to five great ones? We have to have the five best. What am I supposed to do here? How do I choose this over this?

There's so many great ones. That was what happened earlier. It was a stressful morning. I'm not going to lie. I mean, hold on. Can I run through my cut list please yes you tell me how i'm supposed to get five of harry's best calls uh biggio's home run off of billy wagner which uh i totally forgot about until i put it out on twitter and so people started reminding me so this is a call where where the phillies are trying to make a run late September, September 7th

and Biggio hits a tank shot off Wagner to give the Astros a three-round lead. He ends the call with, well, they're all unearned, but who cares? Chase Utley, you are the man. A staple.

The Abreu inside the park home run the burl walkoff versus the giants pat burl uh uh tomei's 400th uh the trio triple against the astros in game five an amazing call the triple is an amazing call. Unbelievable call. Phil has won the pennant. Schmidt's 500th. I'm getting there. Phil has won the pennant in 93. Phil has won the pennant in 93. Phil has won the pennant in 1980.

Schmidt is 500th. Kim Baptiste, single in game one. Kim Baptiste. Blanton home run in game four of 08. Mitchie Poo. That's an amazing of 08 Mitchie Poo Mitchie that's an amazing call The Mitchie Poo call is an amazing call Phil's clinched the NL East in 2008

Phil's clinched the NL East in 2007 Which is also 07 is a great call 08 is great too but 07 with the years of waiting Was a great great call Dude every time I see the 07 call I automatically start welling up a little bit yeah no it the 07 call hits me like hard that is my my personal favorite that team meant so much to me i i love the 07 phillies and i like that was the first

time i'd ever seen rally towels well no it wasn't i mean they played the nationals that whole series leading up to it but that was like it was like wow the Phillies are actually going to the playoffs um Utley Singleton to beat the Mets in 07 obviously the final out of the World Series the Rick Wise no hitter and the George Vukovic pinch hit walk off like you tell me how to narrow that down to five and Schmitz 500 yeah yeah Schmitz 500 of course it's impossible it's so it's impossible so the way I ranked him today because I did my ranking of the five best Harry calls number five it was

2007 and at least number four was Trace Utley You Are The Man number three was the Trio Triple number two was Schmidty's 500th although Number two was Schmidt's 500th. Although, in Schmidt's 500th, it always, it just, it, I just want to know, I want to know why he didn't say out of here.

He didn't. It's a great point. He said, he says out of here. I never really thought about it until you said that to me earlier today. He says out of here on, like, every single call ever. But it's so powerful. The Schmidt's 500 is so, like, so like his like there's so much power behind the voice it just it sticks with you it was one of those calls that didn't need it it just it

didn't need it um and then number one was 2008 so yeah and i think that's the thing is like 2008 might not have been the best compared to like specifically just the call but like the fact that harry finally got to call a world series victory and the emotion with which he did it um i think it has to be number one it just has to yeah yeah i mean i mean if you loved harry and you grew up with harry and you knew the fact that he wasn't able to call the 1980 world series and you know what 28 years later he's finally able to call one? Yeah, totally. Like, that's just crazy awesome. So you feel for Harry in that moment.

But, yeah, and going back and listening to all the calls today, the thing that I guess I took for granted or whatnot was how much he genuinely sounded like he cared about the Phillies, the fans, the players. Like, those guys in the 93 Phillies, the fans, the players. Those guys in the 93 Phillies, they loved Harry. And Harry was basically a part of the team. And you could kind of hear that coming across in what he was saying over the air. And he genuinely loved just baseball.

And I love anyone that loves baseball. We do. Yeah. I i mean anyone who is down to talk baseball i automatically love so uh it was it was i just remember i mean 2009 i was a sophomore in high school and i remember i was at one of those horrible assemblies for like i don't know probably dare or something and i just dare or something i just remember i got like the text or i don't even know if twitter twitter was like barely around at this point but i definitely wasn't on it and i just remember like not focusing the rest of the rest of the assembly um and then i had a practice after that which sucked so it was a very very sad day

one of those moments where you definitely remember exactly where you were when he found out that hk had passed yeah and um the other thing too is i think that first and foremost how about the fact that this podcast is named what it is because of eric cows so very simply i mean that's where that comes from but i also think that and as someone who is you know so old and all that um you know i um i do think that that i don't ever you know as someone who's seen a lot of baseball heard a lot of nouns or stuff i do think that you know not that we could ever take it for granted but like to make sure we don't take for granted how special it was that we had harry cows and that there are not many harry cows you know he's one of a handful of the all-time all-time greats to ever call this game that we love and the fact that we

got to grow up with him is a part of our our life like a part like you welcome harry cows into your home and for me it was harry and whitey you know when i was much younger and like like that was baseball to me like the sounds of baseball was harry cows and richie ashburn like shooting the bleep about baseball you know what i mean so i'm so i'm so jealous he got to see harry and whitey i know like it's it was amazing and loved each other, and you could feel it. You could feel the chemistry. Just to have someone like Harry Giles, who was, like you said, such a huge fan of the game, but also such a powerful, distinguished voice

who also just had the feel of the game and when to let it breathe and when to speak and all that stuff just down so perfectly i just i don't think we can ever like it's hard to truly appreciate how lucky we were to have that guy yeah i mean he was the staple i mean everyone was i i just think it's i just think it's so cool that like every summer you knew you're gonna have harry like i i grew up with harry harry sarge i don't really remember la being in the tv booth i remember him and franski more so um but like every night at 705 i'm gonna be able to listen to harry and it's just like that's the kind of connection that was so special and it was the sound of summer and and you could be down the shore like just harry at the shore

with like you know obviously couldn't drink by then but like i wish i was able to drink and watch harry and watch him call a baseball game and like i just nothing against TMAC. I like TMAC a lot, and I think he's good, and I think he's a bit underrated. But, like, HK was just a different level. And, yeah, it's just, yeah, you try not to take it for granted, but unfortunately it kind of felt like we kind of did. But, yeah, what a guy. What a guy.

Shout out to HK. Thank you for helping us name our podcast harry um all right let's uh let's dive in speaking of that you know that call and the fact that harry cows did get to actually call the world series championship and that's the call that what that's what's so poetic it's like it's like he finally gets it and then and then goes like that's crazy it's crazy honestly it is legitimately crazy it really is i'm so grateful that he got the opportunity to call it and he nailed it um all right let's let's dive in and again this is your last chance pause the pot if you have not watched game 5 2008 there are some great compilations on youtube with no commercials and all that which was

delightful shout out to whoever did that um All right, let's dive in. First and foremost, just on the top, on a basic level, in rewatching this game, my biggest takeaway, and it's obviously very obvious and clear, but is I can't believe this was a suspended game, Jack. I can't believe that when the Phillies finally won the World Series, we saw a – it was two days. Two days later, we saw the end of the World Series.

It's so – I know in the moment it was crazy. It's crazy now to go back and remember just how absurd what happened was. Yeah, I couldn't tell you. I don't remember one thing from the game being suspended to game five restarting with the Jenkins double. I don't remember one thing that happened i think i was you know i think i remember kind of being in class and just knowing i wasn't gonna get anything done uh because i was only thinking about what's gonna happen when this world series restarts and hey the phillies might win the world series like just it's such a it's

so classic philadelphia oh my god the whole thing is it's just it's so philly it hurts almost like the first off there haven't been a championship since 1983 obviously with the sixers no philly since 1980 so there was that 25 year wait just to see a world championship you had the curse of william penn which i definitely believed in like there was enough no big like i just i was all in on the curse of william penn and it it not letting us um win a championship so yeah who knew all they needed was a tiny little baby william penn statue to put on the top yeah who knew well they should have started they should have tried that earlier. Maybe the Eagles would have won. It didn't cause us so much heartbreak.

But yeah, because I was listening to you guys, obviously, on my drive in, and the camera made this point of like, so let's say the game doesn't get restarted, because at that point, the phillies if the phillies held a 2-1 lead it would have been called a ball game yes this is if the if the run had not scored in the six if they had called it when they probably should which was well before they allowed that run to score in the downpour of rain that was coming yeah yeah if they call it then then the phillies are technically world series

champions but like if you're dave montgomery do you take the world championship and no celebration with no celebration no actual moment like again think about the history of baseball can you think of one moment where a team won the world series didn't have a moment where they wanted to strike out a pop out of this that no because it's because it's never happened. Yeah, all down the drain. So, like, do you choose that and just take the lock World Series, or do you say, no, we'll play and run the risk of blowing? It's like an all-time tough call. They didn't have to make it, but what a call. I mean, man, because, like, in theory, you say, no, no say no no we want to win the world series fair and square and right but at the same time like what if the rays come back and win it then it's like

you're the biggest boner in the history of this in the sports much less philadelphia well i mean it would have been the most philadelphia thing ever for that to happen i mean it the phillies technically win the world series and then they say no no, we want to win it on our own terms. And then, you know, they lose two and a half straight, and boom. The dream is over. They lose to the Yankees the next year. I actually get, like, a little uncomfortable thinking about it because it feels so plausible to me.

Well, listen, if that had happened, isn't like i if i was able to bet at that point i would put my whole bank account on the rays winning the world series because that just that just doesn't happen in this city so um thank god hey you know i i think i have this written in there later but i'm actually glad the the rays tied it up I I'm glad that they played through that absolute downpour I guess I'm glad that a ball that Jimmy Rollins gets to a hundred times out of a hundred was able to get through and uh now obviously World Series in hand makes us a lot easier to say yeah it's a little easier I'm glad that the Rays tied it up game five and the phillies won fair and square because i mean is there anything more notorious than tampa bay rays fans just complaining about

championships i mean talk about talk about a ruthless fan base that struggles to get over things would have never let us forget it jack yeah i mean just a fan base that is so bitter um so yeah no i'm actually i'm actually glad that the Rays tied it up. I love that you just implied that the Tampa Bay Rays have a fan base. That's nice. Yeah, yeah. They, man, don't want to anchor that fan base. All right, let's dive in.

We'll go with part one and part two as we break this down for the two parts. First and foremost, let me say on a basic level, I remembered nothing of part one as I went through it. Like, it was almost shocking to me. Well, you are old, so. That's true. I didn't remember where I was. I remember part two, like, as vividly as I remember any sporting event in my life. I remember every little detail.

I remember where I was. I remember all of it. I had no memories of part one. I actually had to text my brother and my brother's best friend, Matt, who's like my other little brother. And Matt told me we were together. We went to the basement of a restaurant in Philly, which I knew was Rembrandt's, which is not there anymore, but it's where I watched part two too. He said, James argued with another group away from the front. James argued another group away from the front table closest to the projector. We were banging on the table so hard during the Let's Go Phillies chants

that the staff and others were concerned. So that sounds right. I would have loved to seen you just walking in there demanding that table. Super intense, man. I came in and I must have been like, no, no, no, no. It's my table. Get out. You came in saying, 11 years from now, I'm going to be hosting a podcast.

I am one of the leaders of the Phillies fans in this city. Do you know who I am? Yes. You don't know me yet, but 11 years from now, you are going to know exactly who I am. Yeah. I mean, that sounds about right for you. You certainly don't seem to have a problem trying to get your way. No, I don't.

So that seems very plausible. And I like that Hammer James has no idea what happened in the first half. Like, all right, hold on, hold on, moron. What happens if the Phillies had won that night? I don't know. Maybe I'd remember it better. First off, you should be thrilled that the Rays tied it up and it got suspended because you probably don't remember the Phillies winning their first World Series since 1980.

I wouldn't remember it if it had not ended the way it did. That's a bold call by you it's a it's a really bold call to get too drunk for a for a possible champion i just don't remember it all right let's dive in but you remembered game two like it was nothing i mean the world series contacts jack okay well i mean let's let's let's break down what uh super exciting ninth grade jack was doing what was ninth grade jack doing so ninth grade jack was convinced that he had a set spot that only he could sit in hold up so you're saying ninth grade jack is exactly the same as now jack is what you're saying not much difference but but 25 year old jack learned

from ninth grade jack so um explain oh okay so i have my spot right and i'm convinced that you can't win a world series or championship till you find your spot and my spot was on my parents couch where i had to sit diagonal to the tv screen with my feet in a perfect little location to where that was my spot. And if I didn't sit there, I thought they were going to lose. So finding a key spot is one of the keys to winning a championship. Not many people talk about that. No, people don't really talk about that. It's one of the keys to success. But, but so I took this obviously great knowledge that I learned in 2008 and this experience and I used it during the Eagles Super Bowl run. And unfortunately for me, I had to spend the whole

entire season and subsequently the Super Bowl run at the station because I worked all the games. So I had to find my spot there, found my spot very early in the season, carried that spot all throughout the postseason and ended up winning a Super Bowl. Now, once you find a spot, you cannot leave the spot. Like, that's just, you know, that's the rules of the spot. The key is finding the right spot. It takes a while. I thought I had the spot in 2009.

I did not in 2009. I lost it. And, yeah, so ninth grade was had his facebook up on his parents desktop upstairs just you know live tweeting the game or live facebooking the game that was back when facebook was uh they would say jack fritz is you know do you remember those days of facebook you know i don't jack it was awful awful i didn't understand it didn't make any sense you couldn't you couldn't actually you know tweet whatever like it'd be like, Jack Fritz is, hey, the Phillies scored four runs this inning. I don't know. It was stupid. So I had that upstairs, and then once the game was'll start my number one takeaway as i'm watching cole hamels just mow them down in the first inning was cole hamels was so good man what a run from this guy like would have gone five and

oh in the playoffs if they had won this game we don't give cole enough credit for how unbelievable he was this this series in this run i think we give cole plenty of credit Cole enough credit for how unbelievable he was this series and this run. I think we give Cole plenty of credit. Not enough credit, Jack! Why? What else is supposed to... Why do you hate Cole? Give the man some credit! He was World Series MVP and he deserved it!

Listen, he deserved World Series MVP. I mean, that run was unbelievable. But everyone... Like, you can't... Alright, here's what's annoying me. Is that you can't have a rational conversation about Cole Hamels. Because you hate him? Is that why?

Because you hate him? Is that what you're saying? Without people saying, well, you don't want a championship without him. You don't. You don't, Jack. You don't. I understand. I understand that.

But he also cost them a no-nine. And, like, he was a good pitcher. But we're talking about actual aces. You're talking about the Cliffleys. You're talking about the Roy Halladays. Cole Hamels is never in that category. Except for an important one-month stretch in 2008. Sure, no biggie.

What about the important one-month stretch in 2009? I don't know. He already had a ring by then, so, you know. Oh, okay. Right. And that mentality caused the philly it is unbelievable that guy in 08 versus that guy in 09 is it's hard to rationalize it like it's hard to understand how they're the same person some are saying that the same thing that happened to

2008 james at 2009 james is that what happened some are saying that good to know yeah no but but in all seriousness uh hamels was unbelievable and in watching him again just this just remembering what peak hamels was like was kind of crazy um because it was literally like his curveball was dog crap he could sometimes uh cut his fastball a little bit and that'd be all right but for the most part it was 91 it was like actually it was more like 89 to 92 with a change up out of the same like his ability to throw a fastball and a change up from the same exact arm slot at the same exact speed make them all look the same like it's just that is so hard

to hit a good change up is just so hard to hit and even though he's a two-pitch pitcher like it just it just didn't matter also i kind of watching the game i think that i think the guns are juiced now like hamels was harder now than he did in 2008 when he was 24 years old like it's just it's just and i was watching the pitches and i was like that looks harder And I was watching the pitches, and I was like, that looks harder than 90 to 91. It just looked harder. I don't know. But, yeah, Hamels unbelievable. And my other takeaway from while we're on the subject of Hamels was that, like, he was 24 and doing that.

And I just could not imagine a 24-year-old being able to do that like i was literally 24 two years ago and i could not imagine being being able to do that like it's just crazy how much pressure is on these young players to like lift up a whole city like imagine the pressure that was on that kid no it's wild it's wild to think about that you're right he was pretty much their only pitcher i mean yeah blanton never lost a game in a philly's uniform moyer was fine uh myers was actually really good uh down the stretch in that run but like it was pretty much hamels or bust and you're 25 you have like the the pressure of you know delco joe's like 25 years without a championship and here's 24 year old cole hamels just being like yeah i got this don't worry i don't know it's it's it's kind of crazy to think about i never usually it never usually hits me these guys's age but i guess

when i went back and they were like and this 24 year old cole hamels is doing it again it's like oh my gosh this guy was 24? How is that possible? It's crazy. I'm with you. It's something that always blows my mind, but particularly in this case, really. Especially with the 20s. He was younger than... He had been born in a world without a Philadelphia championship. So think about that from that perspective.

His entire life, Philadelphia had never won a championship. And then this guy is asked to win them a championship. It's really crazy. However, Jack, in rewatching, and I must have blocked this out, but I can't believe they actually won a championship when they had Donovan McNabb doing the lineup for Fox. What a horrible omen. How did they overcome?

How is it possible that Donovan McNabb read the Phillies lineup for Fox and yet the Phillies somehow won the game? It's the biggest upset of the century. To go with the Donovan to something that happened later that I want to get into, but another bad omen to the World Series being suspended, the Phillies should have never won the World Series. That's just like the baseball gods and, you know, whatever else is up there was pulling all the strings to try to get the Phillies not to win a World Series. I swear.

I swear. In rewatching it, it was like they brought out Donovan. There's something that happened later in the game that, again, I'll get into. And they brought in like the hardest rainstorm since earlier today um to halt the phillies from possibly winning a championship it was ridiculous i don't appreciate it at all um but yeah and donovan getting through that like i would have well obviously you don't remember it i don't remember it really either but i I just would love, I would have loved to be able to go into my head during that time and being like, oh, this is cute. It's all over.

There's no way anyone in Philadelphia was like, oh, sweet, Donovan, thanks. Like, there's just no way anyone was excited to see him get on there. And, of course, he was so freaking corny. Like, with every name he did, he was corny. He's just so corny. Yeah, he's the most corny. And I can't believe we actually won the game considering he did the intros. Give me a takeaway from the first part.

What do you got? So my main takeaway from the early portion of the game was that the ear flap hats never caught on. I really thought they had a chance there, but they only made it that World Series. I've watched World Series since that point, and no team has worn the ear flaps. But I thought they were going to catch on at that point. That's really interesting, actually. You're right. I had forgotten about them, and it really never that point. It's really interesting, actually. You're right. I had forgotten about them

and it really never caught on. It looked comfortable. I'm surprised. Yeah. I'm shocked it didn't catch on, but the year Flap Hat lived and subsequently died with the 2008 World Series and may never be seen again.

It's a shame. I'll give you another takeaway. I had forgotten what no beard Jason Worth looks like. And I know that's silly because I saw more of him without the beard than with it. But the beard has become so full and so aggressive that I had forgotten what soul patch Jason Worth looked like. And by the way, what a freaking awesome player Jason Worth was for the Phillies. You forget how great. We talk about the whole, like, oh, the booing him is so stupid, and we've talked about that so many times.

But I think we forget just how crucial that dude was to winning a championship. He was one of the best players on the team in this game. Ah, I mean, Jason Wirth was just like a great straight-up ball player. He was a ball player. He was a baseball player. Just a great baseball player. Stole a shocking amount of bases. straight-up ball player. He was a ball player. He was a baseball player. Just a great baseball player. Stole a shocking amount of bases.

Always seemed to get a big hit when the Phillies needed it. One of the more clutch Phillies. And just, like, being able to find a Victorino, being able to find a Jason Worth, being able to find a JC Romero, like these guys that were pretty much waiver claims at that point and being able to turn them into key contributors to a championship run like that's what's been so frustrating about the phillies since the start of the rebuild is they really haven't been able to unearth that kind of a talent they haven't been able to to find a diamond

in the rough and in watching jason worth i was like holy crap they got they got like a 290 batting average with a high obp unbelievable right field and like 30 plus home runs for a couple seasons there in a row from jason worth like a guy they they brought in out of nowhere um and this was 2008 was still pretty early i mean i mean in the legend of jason worth but i just can't believe like he went to he went to charlie and he's like yeah i think i mean in the legend of jason worth but i just can't believe like he went to he went to charlie and he's like yeah i think i should be playing more that's a that's a crazy god is a platoon player i mean that was the idea well i don't even know jeff jenkins like jeff jenkins was supposed to platoon with the guy well jeff jenkins the way i remember it was he was

brought in here to be the starter in right field yeah more or less and then worth just took the job but originally it was supposed to be at least some form of a platoon you know yeah yeah i mean that's that's that's crazy um and yeah jason worth just as a straight up ball player there's a there's a moment later in the game i think i think jp howe is on the mound and he picked off the first base and worth has clearly picked off but what he did was he like started running in towards the base path and just making the throw that much harder for carlos pena and that's like underrated baseball intelligence like he he had an unbelievable baseball iq and it was just that play and

so many things from that phillies team it was just like they knew how to play the game of baseball they moved runners along they you know i mean the rollins bunt later in the game like just they knew how to play the game baseball and re-watching it was like wow uh like this is what baseball is supposed to look like before analytics kind of took over the game. I had forgotten about the Shane 2 RBI single, by the way. Like, that had totally slipped my mind. I mean, just another example of Shane.

I mean, Shane has the most postseason hits in Philly's history. And, like, just – I think I wrote this down. No, I did write it down. I said, I realized watching this game that if I needed a hit, it wasn't one of the big three. It wasn't worth. I wanted Shane Victorino up. That's a bold statement.

If I needed a big hit, give me Shaner. Just an unbelievable player. And I think actually the camera was talking about it today. I feel like I always catch your your guys's 2008 conversation um and just like the spark plug that shane mcterino was just kind of like i think in watching the eagles kind of fall from being a super bowl caliber team to you know barely winning a crappy Like, it made me kind of think about those teams from 2007 to 11 and how, like, every team kept progressively getting better, even though they won in 08, but really, like, the 10 and 11 team were both better than the 08 team.

And I think it was guys like Victorino who were just, like, constant balls of energy and were always ready to go. And then, obviously, you had the stable forces of Howard, Rollins, and Utley. But like having a Shane Victorino, having like a worth, like there was just a different level of intensity from those guys. Yeah. No, I think Victorino is such a crucial part of that team in many, many ways. You may not believe the check.

I've been described once or twice as a ball of energy myself. I don't see it. A couple other thoughts for me from game one, or part one. I can't believe they bunted Carlos Peña in the second. It made no sense to me. It ended up being their best hitter on the team, and it just felt like giving it out. I thought Joe Maddon had a

bad game, and we'll get to another big decision later. I thought Joe Maddon was pretty disappointing dude we should have seen the 2016 world series coming after 2008 i mean just uh just some horrendous decisions horrendous it's like the guy never managed in the national league in his life like it just just just truly shocking how awful something like I always just defaulted saying that Joe Maddon was one of the best managers in baseball. Every time I

watch more and more of them, I'm like, this guy just doesn't know what he's talking about. Not a Joe Maddon fan. The decision he made later in the game was should have been fire. Honestly, one of the worst decisions I've ever seen in a big game. You could argue that. It's that bad. We'll get it yeah honestly one of the worst decisions i've ever seen in a

big game like you could argue that it's that bad we'll get to that um i can't believe they had bj epton batting third in a world series i know he was a better player at that point than he would prove to me but it was just shocking to see the world series lineup and see bj epton batting third that threw me for a loop yeah it feels like something that shouldn't happen ever but oh no but that race team that race team was so weird though it was like weirdest team dude it was such a strange team yeah it was it was it was it was basically the 2015 royals except a couple years earlier like no one even re-watching it it was like i'm not even that afraid of longo i definitely wasn't afraid of carlos pena there was no one in that lineup that really struck it it was like i'm not even that afraid of longo i definitely wasn't afraid of

carlos pena there was no one in that lineup that really struck fear into me like i wasn't i know obviously the phillies won the world series so like it wasn't i can't go back to what i was thinking in the moment but in re-watching it was like they don't really have anyone longoria is a good player but like carl crawford i never thought was a good hitter um no one really scared me their speed scared me their ability to make stuff happen scared me but as an overall like offensive unit there was no one that really scared me yeah i think that's a fair point and i will say that the multiple times it happened if you want to talk about feeling old, I felt really old when Buck kept saying, the rookie Longoria, and I'd be like, wow, Jesus, Jesus.

I know. I felt old. Even I remember pretty much all of Longoria. He's a rookie. It's crazy. My last real thought from part one is just the fact that there shouldn't have been a part two because of the fact that the Phillies should have been up by 10 runs. Like, they had so many opportunities to score.

And I remember thinking as I was watching, it kind of triggered the memory in me. But I remember in the moment being like, why are we only up a run? Why are we only up two runs? What is happening here? But it really, in the rewatch, felt like, how did the Phillies not score five more runs? Yeah, well, and I just, I think I remember thinking, like, we should be up by 1,000.

Yes. And thinking, oh, so we'll lose because we can't capitalize. Oh, it felt like it was going to come back to bite us. There was no question it felt like it was going to come back to bite us. was no question probably it was going to come back to bite us for most of that series they really weren't hitting with runners in scoring position i forget what the numbers were but i think i think heading into game five they were three for 18 with runners in scoring position like they just weren't at all getting the job done and usually that's a bad sign um but yeah no like they they were just so much better than that race team like they were just they they were they were a much much better uh uh team than that that that race team so i i

agree all right uh you got anything else on part one before we move to part two and again also on part one i can't believe they actually did score that run in the sixth inning to tie it like it is mind-blowing to me that that actually happened. But like you said, in hindsight, I'm happy it did. Well, I mean we saw it coming a mile away. I mean as soon as Upton got on first, I was like, well, here we go. Right, yeah. Yeah, here we go.

My other takeaways from part one was that like Scott Casimir was so not intimidating at all. You look like a five-year-old on the hill yeah yeah if you want to actually scare me in a in a playoff game you better have a beard like i did i can't take anyone seriously if they're starting a game without a little like at least a five o'clock shadow or a little scruff like he was way too baby faced for a game five in like 30 degree weather he was like he was like not even like shaving baby face but like doesn't even need to shave because he can't shave baby face baby totally totally embarrassing like you you can't you can't physically win a baseball game if your starter does not have some kind of

scruff by a game five in like late october early november when you need that kind of stuff. So Scott Kazimir, total fraud. And he needs to bring back a little scruff if he wants to win a Game 5 on the road in Philadelphia. Another takeaway of mine was, and this is, again, very on brand, but as we do on this podcast, we gotta stay on brand and in watching the game it just reminded me of so many fraud phillies fans uh and i just don't miss them i don't miss them one bit i cannot stand the bandwagon when i got really full i hate fraud phillies fans you know their shirzies and you know talking about oh you know this is my favorite player it's like you don't even know these guys like you shouldn't even be in the ballpark i i i

i'm just gonna make this a high hopes official statement high hopes official thing without really consulting you but what else is new the next time the next time we have like a playoff watch party or something of that sort, there's going to be a questionnaire. I am not being surrounded or hanging out with Frog Philly fans. I can't wait to see you turn people away at the door. Yeah, it's like...

You got a 52 on this. Out. Sorry. See you later. See you at worst. What year were the Phillies founded? They're saying like 1994 or whatever. Oh, man. Just out.

I almost forgot how much I hated fraud Phillies fans during that run, and this game kind of brought it all back for me. You were something. Loathe.he loathe loathe them um other takeaway from part one just totally miss a rollins utley double play just they executed every time it's like it's like it's like a tony parker tim dun Duncan pick and roll. Just over and over and it was always well executed. Just beautiful baseball.

And in Washington Phillies from 2012 on when Utley or Rollins were out or when it turned into Freddie Galvis and Cesar or when it turned into Gene Segura and Cesar. Just took for granted the beauty of a well executed

double play by those two. They converted what it felt like every single time. And even though Utley threw in a way that looked just painful from afar, he seemed to convert all the time. Whipped it. Whipped it. For a guy that was labeled as a defensive liability, quote-unquote, and that's the reason why Jimmy Rollins is a better player than he is. It's always pretty watching those two convert

to double play. Now, the last little thing here from part one, and it was one of the other omens that if I went back to freshman year Jack or blacked out James, we would have been like oh this is this is classic

phil this is classic philadelphia uh we're never gonna win anything but cole hamels had his left hand hit yes on a bun attempt like like that philadelphia does not come out of that unscathed. I mean, we survived the Carson Wentz knee injury somehow, but I would have bet my life that Cole Hamill's hand was broken and that whoever was going to come in next was just going to get absolutely lit up. And I cannot believe he went out there and was just fine. That's not how this is supposed to work. Yeah, I'm with you. In the moment, it was shocking to

think about all right 46 hours later first of all 46 hours later it's pretty crazy to think that that was when the game continued is your computer all right by the way you charged you're good yeah i'm on 99 and only going up we're getting near that point where you know i worry yep that's a fair worry it's a fair worry all right part two first of all how weird is it the phillies are batting first at home in the you know bottom six top whatever top of the inning is super weird i will say it the intensity was there though it felt in the moment i remember thinking yeah this is somewhat hokey this feels a little silly it worked like immediately i was all in well it's like it's like jumping into a football game in the fourth quarter yes it was weird it was like it was like

okay we have to score now and i just remember i remember a little bit the the couple days leading up to it it was like who's probably gonna have that lead off and like how are they gonna maneuver this and how are they gonna kind of just come out firing and it was nuts and and buck was saying i remember buck i was re-watching and buck was like boy these phillies fans like you wouldn't think that they were subdued for the last two days. Because they were just crazy. And I wrote down here, one of my notes was, it just cracked me up how the Rays are taking the field and just getting, you know, the crap put out of them by the Phillies fans. Yeah, it's awesome. Like, who's booing?

Like, there's no one booable on that team other than that they were the Tampa Bay Rays. But still, like, they were just getting demolished. And it was cracking me up. I can't believe that's how they won a World Series. It's the craziest. It's absurd. That's the point. It's so silly.

Yeah. It was nuts. It's very on brand. Shout out to Jeff Jenkins. So Jeff Jenkins comes out, rips the double. I thought it was gone at first. Rips the double. Then you mentioned it before, Jimmy.

Just a beautiful bunt. Just old school baseball. And then the king, Jason Wirth, bloop single. And take me through the rewatch of this little sequence here. Well, my first takeaway was like Grant balfour was throwing 97 and i thought oh there's no way the phillies are hitting this because 97 is like super hard and now justin verlander is throwing 97 like the eighth inning yeah now like every reliever on a team except for the phillies of course there's 97 well it's so funny every time i see it every time i go back

and watch like middle 2000s uh baseball highlights which occurs more often than i like to admit like i'm always i'm always blown away by joel zamaya because like joel zamaya at the time was like oh my god he's throwing 100 he's untouchable and then now it's like the phillies have like nine joel zamaya's like two good weeks ever too dude Joel Zamiya was disgusting injuries injuries ruined him it's a shame yeah but anyway like seeing Graham Balfour throw 97 I was like oh this is impossible um but it's just funny now that 97's absolutely nothing and back then it was definitely like this is game over um but yeah the double, I didn't think it was out. I thought it was going to be a double.

I was actually worried Baldelli was going to get up to it. And then just you could tell how much of a great clubhouse guy Jenkins was because he gets on second, and, you know, I could just see in his head he wasn't thinking, oh, I should be playing more. It was just like ecstatic to get a hit for his team. No, he was jacked. It was awesome. It was very good.

One of the more underrated celebrations in Philly sports that doesn't get talked about. I would like to see the Jeff Jenkins double fist pump up there with the Allen Iverson crossover. The double fist pump was strong. I was there for it, Jack. It's a classic dad that just happened to hit a double in game five of the 2008 World Series.

I feel like if one of my Little League coaches was like Jeff Jenkins for a day and did that, he'd have the same reaction. It was classic. Most Westchester dads by that point have the same reaction when they execute a good grill session. Flip that burger. Double fist. Yeah. And in my head, I know this isn't how it actually played out, but he was wearing white New Balances as he was. Or the Air Monarchs when he was on second base.

But yeah. And then the Rollins executed well. The bunt was beautiful. Now, here's the thing. In the moment, too, I felt so perfect because I was like, oh, our best pitcher is pitching right now. Ryan Madsen was better than Brad Lidge and even looked nasty that night. And somehow, Rocco freaking Baldelli, Jack.

Yep. Rocco freaking Baldelli, Jack. Yep. Rocco Baldelli. Yeah, so I had this written down. I had the Baldelli home run written down. Madsen was definitely better than Lidge that year, right? Like, if you had to face one of those two guys, you'd face Lidge before you'd face Madsen. Madsen has a – did you know that Ryan Madsen has the second most

playoff appearances by reliever ever get out of here really yeah mariano's first and then it's right that is unbelievable you could have given me a thousand guesses and i wouldn't have gotten ryan madison right but i i i had the same takeaway as you like even when i was watching brad lidge in the ninth i was like like, he's not even, like, nasty. I mean, his slider is obviously disgusting, but, like, he's not. There was no zip on the fastball comparatively. How the hell did that guy go 48 for 48?

It's unbelievable. Life on a ledge. I mean, it was a pretty serious regression season in 2009. Yeah, you could say that. But just, yeah, and Madsen was just disgusting from that point on. And I can't believe anyone hit him. I mean, he was throwing 96 back then with just a disgusting, disgusting changeup. But, yeah, the Ball Deli home run, I've watched a ton of baseball at Citizens Bank Park.

I have seen countless numbers of home runs. I would just like to say that that ball is not a home run. To this day, that ball is not a home run. It's not a home run. I can tell a Citizens Bank Park home run the second it comes off the bat. And that Rocco Ball Deli home run was not a home run. There's no doubt about it. And that Rocco Baldelli home run was not a home run.

There's no doubt about it. Like the freaking nerve of that ball getting out, but the Burrell home run or the Burrell ball not getting out. And two years, three years later, the Utley and Abanez ball not getting out. It's just a travesty. It's just there's no way the Rocco Baldelli home run was actually a home run. I've seen way too many, and I just don't believe it. Okay. Let's go with that. Yeah.

It's a great take. It's ridiculous. That ball should not have gotten out. So luckily, though, Joe Maddon made a massive mistake. Yeah. What was he doing batting J.P. Howell? Like, what is going through your head there? What?

Like, I don't care that you tied the game. Like, what are you doing? It was among, no joke, the worst in going back and watching it. I don't know if it felt this way in the moment. I'm sure I felt some version of it. But especially going back and watching it, one of don't know if it felt this way in the moment. I'm sure I felt some version of it, but especially going back and watching it, one of the worst baseball managerial decisions in a big moment I've ever seen in my life. Well, especially because it's not like he had some scrub reliever.

He had David Price waiting to go. What are we doing here? David Price threw like 40 pitches in the bullpen. It felt like the entire – it felt like David Price was warming up for seven hours. Like all this, David Price still out there throwing pitches. Yeah, now it makes sense why he didn't do it right away because J.P. Howe was batting fourth. And you don't want to have Price for one inning.

You want him to have to go multiple innings. But to let him hit is like – It's just asinine. It's a criminal offense it really was like honestly if they had fired him after the game i would have been like yep seems right seems fair well dude i'm just saying that if that happened in philadelphia and oh we would have driven him out of town we would have literally forced him to leave town dude dude like of course there's no fan base in Tampa Bay, so you can do whatever. But it's up there with how he handled Chapman in the 2016 World Series.

Just like, how he handled Ronald Chapman in the 2016 World Series was amongst the worst things I've ever seen in my life until I went back and watched 2008 Game 5. People can talk about Buck Showalter not bringing in Zach Britton, and that's perfectly fair.

But to let J.P. Howell throw two innings in which his spot is already used in the lineup and having David freaking Price out there ready to go, it's like, do you even know what you're doing? Just clearly never knew how NL baseball is played. Totally embarrassing. Now, here's my question. Also, with that inning, obviously, how it ended and all that. Here's my question.

Also with that inning, obviously, how it ended and all that. How do we not talk about the Chase Utley play in the lore of Phillies baseball the way we talk about other plays? I agree. That was the game. And I remembered the plays that was happening, but I had forgotten just how big it was just because I was like, why haven't I been talking about this for the last 12 years? Why is this not the play we all point to as the play?

What a play. What a heady. It was such an Utley play. Such a smart baseball type play, but it literally saves the game. Chase Utley saved the game with that play. Oh, my God. We talk about Derek Jeter's flip. Yes, it was the same type of play. It god and like you know we talked about derrick cheaters flip yes

it was the same type of play it was the exact same type of play like i mean uh cheaters was closer to the plate and to go get the ball and whatnot but like it was the same type of like understanding baseball understanding what your job is and what you're supposed to do type of play it's classic philadelphia bias i mean people just hate this city. It's true. In all honesty, though, if that happened and it was like, you know, Phillies Red Sox or Phillies Yankees, like, just no one

talks about the World Series because it was the race. Like, no one cares. Yeah. Like, if that was a more marquee matchup, that's talked about as one of the most unbelievable baseball plays ever. It really was. It should be. It was, listen,

freaking Jeter's flip. Who says that ball doesn't get to home without him? I mean, it's just a continuation. I like that take. I love that take. Dude, he is... The Jeter stuff is just nauseating. I mean, he needs a 14-year-old to catch a ball to have his first clutch hit ever in the postseason against the Orioles.

Wow. Jeffrey Mayer. Jeffrey Mayer. It's just ridiculous. Do you remember who the outfielder was? The Orioles outfielder looking up at Mayer, like shaking his head. Do you remember who it was? No.

How about that Tonyony tarasco nice but i uh but that play that play was just great and that's another example of 2018 just knowing how to play the game and knowing how to play the game the right way and um just i agree like that that play should be talked about more than, like, the stairs home run or, like, the Blanton home run. The Victorino Grand Slam or whatever. Like, that play was bigger than all of them. Yeah, it literally won them a World Series. So, it's forgotten.

So it's forgotten. I'd say the stairs home run is much like the Philly special in that they may win regardless, and people overrate the crap out of the Philly special. And the Utley fake to first throw to home is the Earth's fourth down. I love that. All right, that's a good comp. I can get by with that. Not respected enough, but real fans, no.

I love that. That's certainly the high hopes position. That's how we stand on this. It's great. All right, then we get Pat the Bat. And that one, you want to talk about one that I thought was definitely a home run? I thought Burl's ball was out. Like, I couldn't believe it didn't make it over the bat. And that one, you want to talk about one that I thought was definitely a home run? I thought Burrow's ball was out. Like, I couldn't believe it didn't make it over the fence.

Oh, it's a – again, the fact that that Baldelli home run got out and the Burrow didn't. The Burrow one felt way better off the bat, like a thousand times better off the bat. Dude, Rocco Baldelli hit a home run, and I was like, wait, what? I thought that was an easy can of corn to burl and left. But whatever, yeah, the burl. Now, I don't know if I've ever talked about my burl disdain, but, like, congrats on your first World Series hit ever. Wow. He's the worst World Series hitter of all time wow what a big hit though you know i mean who cares all i needed is one hit from you

bro and you got it was that hit was that hit really was that hit really worth the first seat in the parade hero he's not he's not a hero i mean that was a hero hit it was dude pat burrell sucked i mean and the fact that pat burrell's talked about as like a philly's legend and jason was great i i will agree with if you're going to compare the two i mean worth is a thousand times more important thousand times better don't hate on pat come on no it was it was a big hit and i was happy for pat burrow um but i just every time i see it i'm always reminded that he's he's the worst world series hitter of all time and it always makes me crack up and and by the way mccarver was right in in this sequence here i don't know why they were bunting Shane.

Like, Shane should have been swinging away in that spot. I thought that was silly, actually, in hindsight. And it all worked out. Thank you, Pedro, and all that. But, like, he should have been swinging away there. Because Pedro Feliz isn't the hitter that Shane Pizzerino was. Yeah, of course not. Yeah.

I mean, I definitely would not have put money on pedro feliz coming through in that position but hey charlie pushing all the right buttons blah blah blah or whatever but i would i in hindsight watching back i was like oh yeah you're right dim i honestly don't think i think if you ask i don't know this will actually be on my questionnaire when i'm eventually like who drove in the game winning run for the phillies won the first world series since 1980 i feel like not many people know i think that's a tough one um also i loved nothing more than watching pedro feliz play third base just every single throw was just brilliant Just every single throw was just –

Brilliant. Every single throw was a dot, just right on the money. Like him and Rollins, every single throw somehow was just right on the money. Yeah, I'm with you. Can we also real quick talk about segue into the next inning here? How good J.C. Romero was that run? We know why. How bad? He was so so good someone who was just a

marginal player i mean ryan madden's been a great major league reliever he's had a real run like jc romero was great for a moment in time and that was it well obviously we know why but like it's just. I don't know what you're talking about. It's great. It was hilarious listening to, I don't know, McCarver or Buck, and they were like, yeah, this guy, they basically picked up off the scrap heap from the Red Sox,

and he has, like, one ERA since that point. Like, gee, can't figure out how that happened. But yeah, Romero's disgusting. And then he went from like 94, 95 to 88 in one year. But during that time, I mean, it was... It was something you can never explain.

No. Going from, like, it was him and Madsen and then Lidge. Even like J.D. Durbin, or like J.D. Durbin. Chad. Not J.D. Durbin. Chad Durbin was discussing that. Funny J.D. Durbin.

I actually have a J.D. Durbin story. I went to see the Phillies play at Petco Park. Three games. And the Sunday game was J.D. Durbin versus Jake Peavy. And this is like Jake Peavy hey hey day cy young jake pv time and jd durbin throws a complete game shutout and me and my buddy are like the last two phillies fans in the building at the end of the game chanting jd durbin wait wait what team was oh at peco i fight for some reason i thought you saidNC Park, and I was very confused.

No, Petco, Petco, Petco. Yeah, it was wild. I watched J.D. Durbin throw a complete game shutout at Petco Park. It was unexpected. I did love Jake Peavy, though. Oh, yeah. He was nasty. He was super nasty.

Peavy was one of my guys. Him and Brandon Webb. Oh, Brandon Webb was disgusting. Yeah, truly disgusting. Before we get to the 9th, this was my random moment where I started to tear up slash get nervous all over again. Because mine's coming up. I haven't gotten there yet. Mine was heading into the 9th.

And Joe Buck saying the Phillies are three hours away from winning the World Series. And even in re-watching it, I was like, they're going to blow it. Like, I don't know. I was so – I got that nervous pit all over again. They didn't blow it though, buddy. They didn't. They sure didn't. All right, let's get to the ninth.

Definitely have never hung on every pitch as much as that in my lifetime, but it was terrifying. I did not. I was taken back to the moment. I did not trust Brad Lidge in that moment at all, even though he was 47 for 47 at that point. Like you just felt uncomfortable with him. And the fact that they stole second was just mind-blowing and i know they

had a pinch runner out there and all that but like that you don't see teams take the chance to lose the world series on a caught ceiling like that very rarely happens jack wow real muto would have thrown him out obviously obviously obviously y' Obviously. I mean, it's smart. I mean, why would you try to – Yeah, no one is terrifying. It's smart. I don't think I would want my guys trying to do that when you're down. I guess if you have a really confident base runner and he can get the job done.

Well, also, but also you have to factor in that's Lidge. Like Lidge took forever to get to the plate. You would have had to have had a terrible jump not to get second base off of Brett Lidge. Like, it was that bad of a windup. Yeah, it's true. But still, it was terrifying in the moment. And then they did it, buddy.

The 0-2 pitch. I'm sorry it ended on a strikeout, too. Like, there's just something special about watching a strikeout to win the World Series. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I actually, in re-watching it for, I don't know, I've seen it a thousand times. But every time, I'm like, there's no way lidge's knees weren't messed up from that like he fell and then everyone it was basically what happened to t.o's knee in

2004 except i mean nothing came out about it but he got like he got smoked by ryan howard like ryan howard destroyed brad lidge oh he crushed him Brad Lidge. Even to the point where Chris Myers asks him, or whoever it was interviewing, Ken Rosenthal, asked him about it in the post-game where he's like, yeah, right, he took a real shot from Ryan Howard. Well, that's another thing, is that Ken Rosenthal looked like he was 12.

Like a little baby. It was great. Yeah, unbelievable. I thought he was older than that, but Ken Rosenthal looked like he was 12. Like a little baby. It was great. Yeah. Unbelievable. I thought he was older than that, but Ken Rosenthal looked like a little baby out there. But, yeah, just I don't really remember the ninth. It was just a total blackout by that point of just nerves and excitement. It was good to relive it. It was good to relive it. Also, didn't realize that Eric Henske Was on the Yankees team in 2009

Oh yeah He just turned into the pinch hitter guy But Yeah Just they did it And I couldn't help I just couldn't help but think about What a high hopes would sound like

That's what I'm saying First of all shout out to Joe Buck for letting it breathe. Appreciate him being a pro's pro. Stop talking. Now, his call of the ending was not great, but that's because, as we talked about before, he wasn't great Joe Buck yet. But let it breathe. Just shut the hell up.

I started crying, like flat out crying, during the montage of when they showed every single person reacting like right when they showed howard and they showed rollins and they showed utley and they showed all these guys reacting in the last moment i tears just yeah coming out also seeing utley smile was weird because during that time was definitely not the most personable Utley. So seeing his little celebration was funny. But yeah, just a truly, truly magical, magical day. It really was.

It was magical. I want to do it again, Jack. I want to do it again. And then two days later was the World Series Parade And I still contest to this day That it was bigger than the Eagles Parade I like that take I still think it was bigger

And people will try to say no no no No it was It was definitely bigger My wife and I took a bag pack of beers Down to Citizens Bank Park And we're outside there Did you go in the in the park we were just outside we couldn't get in right yeah i was i was like a yeah just a little kid

i think it was like halloween day maybe or something like that it was it was halloween day because i went home and went out trick-or-treating and well you know it was freshman year of high school you're still out of trick or treat and this old lady got mad at me for wearing an Utley jersey because of his world bleeping champions and get out of here really that's hilarious yeah I remember being like you know shut up like stop just just be happy they won the world series you know oh I didn't appreciate the cursing today. Stop.

Stop. Stop. Come on. Let's grow up a little bit. It's outrageous. Outrageous. But, man, I need it back. I need it back. They did it.

They actually won a World Series. We need it back, Jack. The biggest takeaway, the overarching takeaway is win another World Series. Yeah. I need it. Give me CBP that loud again. I'm wistful right now, buddy. It's hard not to get emotional when you think about the run.

I've thought about this the last couple of days. I just don't connect, and you probably know why, but I just don't connect, and you probably know why, but, like, I just don't connect with the Eagles Super Bowl run like I did with the Phillies. Like, it just felt more magical. I know it's obviously magical what the Eagles did, but I just get more emotional thinking about 2008 and 07 and the whole run that I do.

The Super Bowl run. I guess it's because you're going through a lot more with those teams. Like, you went through being an Eagles fan with the Eagles, right? But you didn't go specifically through the trials and tribulations with that Eagles team. Like, it was a lot of mercenaries. No, it's a great point. It's a great point. But you were able to grow with those phillies teams i mean like those guys became almost like your friends in a way and like i just i will always get more chills and uh more emotional thinking about 2008 than i will the the Super Bowl run now maybe that'll change

when I get older and whatnot and I look back on the the Super Bowl run but just 08 was was special and they should have won more than one regardless and uh it was it was fun to go back and re-watch it was good to watch it's good to kind of refresh your memory a little bit and try to take it back to what that night was like. Yeah, it really was. And I'm sure we'll do another rewatch, you know, more rewatches as this new normal goes on for a while. But this was definitely, again, like I was in tears.

Like, I mean, come on. You know, it's really all you need to say. All right, quickly, do you have any other final thoughts in the game before we finish up because i have one other thing for you nope okay so just because it is not anymore but when we first recorded this podcast which for those i guess tuning in part way through didn't know we already recorded this podcast once um we never got to this point in the pod before but the day we were recording before was the 11 year anniversary of one of our favorite shows parks and recs so i was gonna have a little fun at the end

and now it is not it is not as good anymore because you're not the 11 year anniversary but favorite i saw online i saw a bracket of the best parks and rec side characters so not one of the main characters that had every other side character jack who should win the parks and rec side character field of however many it was that's a it's a loaded question i have two definitive answers and one of the two is the correct winner answer so i'm just letting you know uh my first thought is jean ralphio yeah well i see jean ralphio is the lock winner like jean ralphio absolutely has to be the winner of that now if you take jean ralphio out where do you go because he's kind of a little more main but not really jean ralphio is the winner that

is the crowd oh no i of course it's it's uh it's the it's the city council council oh you're great. This is perfect. This is why we can do this. Come on. Come on. I love councilman Jam. You just got jammed.

Yeah. I mean, he's the worst, but he's also the best. Oh, he's so great. Those are the two definitive answers. Third would be Joan Calamezzo, but those are the two definitive winners. The two hardest I've ever laughed at Parks and Rec is the Joan Calamesso at dinner with Ben and Tom. Oh, it's amazing. Yeah.

That and the second part was the senior citizen's sex education. Oh, so good what if your banana what if your banana is mushy every time every time so well done uh this is high hopes is a very pro parks and rec podcast and i just will contest to this day that franz watson is better than michael scott and it's a funnier show it just takes a level of humor that most people can't get to love it cosine all right final thoughts that i got nothing i don't either i did everything it was great great day hey let us know uh tweet it at high hopes pot on twitter at jackford wip at james helter let us know what the next game we should do for this

like because i'm sure there's a bunch that we could do. But let us know. Let's see if there's any that a bunch of people want us to do, a bunch of people want to rewatch, because we are certainly open to suggestions. We'll certainly have time. Yeah, we'll have plenty of time to break down games. Yeah, this podcast clocking in at like an hour 15,

so that means that we have done over two hours of game five 2000 podcasting yeah we're we're trying to make it to how long the game actually lasted which is like 245 all right we'll be back soon let us know what game you want us to do as we uh search for other things to talk about i'm sure we'll figure it out uh thanks jack this is fun buddy even though we had to do it twice, it was still worth it. All right. Peace, friends, and seltzer. We'll see you later.