High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - A Series Split Never Felt So Much Like a Win

Episode Date: May 27, 2021

James Seltzer and Jack Fritz react to a series split in Miami that felt way more like a series win. The guys discuss Nola's frustrating outing, the Vinny V hype train gaining steam, how Joe Girardi survived in New York for a decade, and much more. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hot Cloud Storage on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the high hopes podcast. It's a bunch of baseball nerds talking about the Phillies on radio.com and sports radio, 94 W Y P. Yeah. Yo! It is another edition of the High Ops Podcast. Jack Fritz, let me tell you, buddy, I don't know about you,

but in the sad world that we live in, it feels like a series split in Miami is as good as a series win, buddy. That's right. That's right. That's right. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. Should have taken three or four. Should have taken three or four, but we'll settle for a, we'll set up for a split. That's just as good. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's a win.

I, again, even with the wind today, they are now 10 and 18 in their last 28 Miami. So, you know, two of four is, is better than average Jack. That's a, a pretty damn fine job. And let's be real, honestly, just, just to win a baseball game with the lineup they rolled out there today is always a feat against any team because man, we're hurting right now. We need some guys back obviously, but the offense has not been there, but found a way to win a couple of games, found a way to blow a game. Yeah, I mean, they did typical Phillies things in that sense.

You know, they didn't score many runs. They found a way to make a game miserable. Their ace was – their so-called ace was just okay. And, yeah, it was about as Phillies a series could be. Bad defense, another bad defensive performance, which is... I mean... Justin's. Bad.

Did you see the Stark stat about how they're minus 29? Oh, don't think I was going to get there. They're minus 29. Here's the... I was heading into today. Yeah. Honestly, like in terms of, of, you know, and, and we have gotten to a point and I love it. We're baseball nerds. I'm sure most people

listening love it. Like the, the stats that come out, like with every amazing Jacob to Grom start, there's like 50 stats, you know, like all that kind of stuff. And it's awesome. And I love it. But like, no joke. When I saw this Jason stat, that heading into today, prior to today's game, the Phillies were worst in baseball with minus 29 defensive runs saved. And the next worst team in the National League is the Chicago Cubs with minus one? And then the best is plus 32? It was as stunning with all the stats we see, Jack.

That was about as stunning as jaw-dropping a stat as I have seen in a while. It's unbelievable. Yeah, and it's crazy because I swear, James, I thought the 2018 Phillies defense was the worst I'd ever seen. Reese Hoskins in left field?. Reese Hoskinson left field. The Reese Hoskinson left field season. People forget Scott King,

Scott King replaying short. Yeah. I mean, we talk about how absolutely abysmal Reese is, is a first baseman. I mean, as anything, but like he played left field for a season.

It's, it's mind blowing. He played, hold on. Am I, am I misremembering, but did he play left field because they wanted to keep Tommy Joseph? Yeah. No, no, it's mind-blowing he played hold on am i am i misremembering but did he play left field because they wanted to keep tommy joseph yeah no no it's carlo no it's tommy though tommy joseph was the

reason he didn't get called up earlier and carlo santana being signed with santana yes thank you yes you're correct there was definitely a joseph it was oh man geez um it's i mean really a truly stunning stat and one of those stats where sometimes you'll see these stats, I don't know. This is one where it's like, yeah, I totally believe that. Thought it was worse, to be honest. Yeah, it's like only minus 29. You sure about that?

I mean, really, Jack? I mean, and I know I said this last time, but it's the routine stuff. It's the Brad the Brad Miller, not being able to complete a double play throw, and then just missing a baseball that he has to catch. And, and honestly, like that stuff is frustrating. The Jean Segura, not looking a ball in all that stuff. But then even worse is guys like Andrew McCutcheon who have been in this league for over a decade is a former MVP and the balls hit hit too many, doesn't know what to do with it? Like, Jack, I mean, I'm not over-exaggerating when I say that this is like the child stuff.

Like, the very first thing my dad ever taught me when I started playing baseball was, as a fielder, know what you're going to do in any situation. If the ball comes your way, whatever your situation is, whoever's on base, however many has, whatever, know what you're going to do in any situation. If the ball comes your way, whatever your situation is, whoever's on base, however many has, whatever, know what you're doing with the ball. Know what the right play is. Know who you're looking at. Know what you're trying to figure out.

And, like, Andrew McCutcheon's not doing this stuff, Jack. Like, that's the stuff that drives me crazy. Yeah, and I looked at that play, and believe me, I agree. Him not knowing where the throw was. I couldn't tell if it was because there was no cutoff man. There was no one out there to cut the ball off, and he didn't know. Shia's throwing it in. You always want to get the ball into the infield.

That's the cardinal rule. You want to get it in. You throw it to second base in that spot. Everyone does. That guy's not scoring. Yeah. And I think – The guy who threw it to third is not scoring,

and he clearly was going to get to third base. I don't know if he thought he might have a play at third base and that's why he hesitated and then it like like precipitated this like kind of brain fart but man like that's easy stuff jack was it was it and was it monday night or tuesday night when uh the ball's at the left field and and he barely like he barely got anything on a throw home to get a guy to try to get a guy to play. No joke, Jack. No joke. I can't say it's the single worst. It is among the shortest sacrifice flies I've ever seen in my life.

Like, it's in the discussion. Like, you, Jack Fritz, pitcher guy, could have gunned him down. Oh, well, listen. You don't put a hose like this in left field. I could have gunned him down. I mean, that was, I mean, come on. I pervally a little bit. But, I mean, that track, I mean, that was like a shallow, shallow left field.

Not even right field. Like, shallow left field. It's like, and it was like not even close, really. Like, he clearly beat it. I know. I know. And, you know, this week sucked because I ended the show, we had to do leading off, which way to go extra. So I didn't get home to at least like the second or third inning on those nights.

I miss I miss some of the hot starts by this baseball team, but we made up for it. Yeah, sure. All right. Well, let's get into it. Let's dive in. And then the funny thing is, like, there's even more like postgame Girardi, Archie Bradley, like all these people won't shut up and are saying all kinds of stuff. So we got to get in all that. Let's quickly, let's get to the series and then we'll get to all the other stuff. Let's start with, so from a pitching perspective, I mean, Eflin I think got failed by his defense. You know, he was fine. He wasn't great, but he was fine. We'll get to Vinny in a sec.

Let's start with Noel. We'll get to Vinny in a sec. We'll get to Vinny in a sec. First, let's get to vinny in a sec we'll get to me it's like first let's start with nola just because um i thought it was a nice nola outing but you want more innings from him but um i feel like there's this sentiment out there that that like and look we both said zach wheelers is right now the best pitcher starter on the team best player on the team but but aaron nola is is a lot better than what we've seen so far and I have zero concerns that he's going to be fine it feels like there's real angst out there about Aaron Nola yeah and there should be because I totally I totally yeah I totally disagree with you I thought he was terrible last night like I really do I thought he was fine like he wasn't good you

want more innings but he wasn't like horrible obviously obviously he wasn't horrible but like dude that Marlins lineup was embarrassing it was it was you're right you're right that's fair for as bad as i thought the phillies lineup was like the marlins lineup was terrible he walked he walked talented he walked three guys which was which is annoying in and of itself like he didn't have good fastball command again the changeup was whatever curveballs and, dude, I know you struggle on the road, but you have to be better than six innings of just okay. And here's my problem with Nola recently,

is ever since the Cardinals start with the complete game, it's just been okay. I mean, it's been. It hasn't been what you want. Right, it's been fine. Aaron Nola's a good pitcher. Aaron Nola is a very good pitcher. But, like, last night was just another example of him not being good enough.

Like, that was a frustrating start for me because it was a lot of balls. It was a lot of – three walks is a lot for an Aaron Nola start. Again, he just – he can't lock in on the road, and he can't be as good as he is at home on the road. And in 2018, he was. That's what made Aaron Nola third in the Cy Young, and that's what made him ascend to ace-level status. But he's been bad on the road since then.

I mean, his ERA is over five on the road. Again, I mean, last year it was like 4.6, and in 2019 it was in the fives. So this is three straight years of him being down the road and and to to not go at least seven or eight against that yeah that was my that marlins lineup was dreadful last night and it's it's like they're they're pitching around like sierra and like these guys who i know can't hit and i it was i was i left last night frustrated with aaron um he was fine again.

Like I'm not saying he's a terrible pitcher, any of that stuff. I'm just saying he was fine and he's just been fine since the complete game against the Cardinals. And no, I need more. Yeah. I'm saying more.

I'm not concerned. I feel like he'll be okay. Is my point. I feel like we've seen this from nowhere. I'll start a season, a little Rocky's not what we want. And then he, you know,

we'll roll off 10 straight awesome starts. Like that what i'm expecting but i do think you make fair points and i will say and this is something we've talked about a number of times there no and it's a consistent theme is that you know that's a spot where you need air no like you're rolling out as you mentioned a lineup that is close to as bad as that horrendous embarrassing marlins line that's rolled out there like you need you need your dude to. And to be fair, like if it's not for that Odubo Herrera catch, he leaves with a tie game, you know? So, uh, you know, it's fair. Look, I wasn't my, I was talking more Nola moving forward. I agree. I think that start in that spot against that team was fine, but underwhelming. I just am not as concerned moving forward i think nola's gonna get locked in

like if and look he still has to win games in september when it matters that's the thing where i need to see that from nola but are you really concerned that that come you know july august you know late june like you start to get rolling here that he's not going to find his groove because that that is the question i think that people are wondering no i i agree with you like no no we'll be fine it's not the noah thing is kind of it's a little frustrating because you know if you if you criticize how he pitched yesterday you think he's bad or whatever like i think he's a good pitcher and i think he's going to eventually get on a little bit of a roll here and we'll start seeing seeing the air and noah i'm just talking about like the start last night you night. It bothered me a lot.

So, yeah, I think Nola's going to figure it out. He always figures it out, and he always gets to where we need him to get to. But the next step's obviously going to be September. So, you know, honestly, this is kind of how baseball works. Right now, Wheeler's the ace. I mean, in a month, Nola can be right back up there with him, or Wheeler can fall off a little bit. It's a rollercoaster for season.

You don't have the 2011 rotation for most years. No, and they do have a good three. Again, with all the angst and the complaints, especially that Wheeler's pitching, those three are good. And are we not going to include Vinny in the ace conversation? You're just going to throw Nola and Wheeler out there and not even throw Vinny's name in the discussion? that let's get to it like all right you're already i mean so jack fritz the jack fritz who you've heard many times talk about vincent velasquez

actually tweeting out before the game i'm excited to watch vinny pitch and guess what he paid it off got into trouble in the third load the bases gets out of. That was a little scary because he's walking guys there. You're a little like, uh-oh. That's if any we know. And then he figures out and he's fine. And he gets through six innings, six shutout again. Only six base runners. Three hits, three walks.

Like, man, I have said last week, and I'm going to stick to it right now, that I'm not in. I can't let myself go there after the history we have but it definitely looks different the way he's working is different like how how real is this Jack well it's real as long as he's as long as he's uh trusting Andrew Knapp or whoever's catching um because it's funny you're talking about the third inning and and franzen mentioned this on the uh on the broadcast like so when the the last couple of of vinny starts he has not been shaking up the catcher whatever they put down he's gonna roll with it and he's it's kind of you know for a

pitcher and i was like this and i know i'm not comparing myself to major league pitchers but for me i always like i always like the pitching coach and the catcher to make the calls and and just let me focus on making that pitch um you know some pitchers like to call their own games where they're like no i feel this here i'm gonna go here because ultimately it comes down like pitching comes down to conviction and if you don't believe you're gonna throw a strike or you don't believe that you're gonna be able to to blow this pitch by the batter, it's not going to happen. Baseball is mostly mental when it comes down to it.

So what Vinny was doing in the last couple of starts was whatever the catchers put him down, he's saying, yes, go, bang. And he's attacking hitters, and he's being aggressive, and we're finally seeing a guy that's pitching. And man, is it beautiful to watch. But what was interesting was he shook off Nappy, I think, six times in the first three innings and definitely in that third inning. And then after that, didn't shake him off once. In cruise.

Right. And he just got back in cruise control. And that third inning, he kind of got astray. And it was a cute little pop-up from Jesus Aguilar. What was it, 107 miles an hour off the bat right at Brad Miller and left. It was a nice little pop-up by Jesus Aguilar.

Listen, we all, I think we all as Phillies fans are all in the same predicament of do I buy in, do I not buy in? Honestly, I think it's fine not to be totally in. I totally get it,? And honestly, I think it's fine not to like be totally in. I totally get it.

But we can also appreciate that he's doing things that he has not done in the past. He's actually pitching. His changeup is flashing. His curveball actually has some dip to it. He's trusting a plan. He's kind of like, he's being funny, which is weird.

Like, I didn't think that Vince Velasquez was funny, but he's shushing the crowd and he's laughing in the dugout. And he's throwing S-bombs around in his post-game interviews, all that stuff. Yeah, I mean, if you just took the name off of Vince Velasquez's back, like you put whatever's last name, and he was doing what Vinny's doing right now,

we would be building a statue for him. So it's really encouraging. Obviously, we know he can go back to being Vinny. But if he wants to be good, he would just continue to trust this plan. And we said it at the time, and we'll say it again, James, Caleb freaking Cotham is a wizard, man. That guy is awesome. The only reason the Phillies are even good this year or decently okay is their pitching

and the work they can do. Flat out. Yeah. Flat out. Not even close. The offense stinks, and they can't score runners on bays, and the defense is the worst we've ever seen. You're damn right, Jack.

Yes. Who'd have thunk it? Yeah. So, you know, I mean, I'm just, like, I was excited to watch him because I like, I just, I'm pulling for the guy. Like, he's been frustrating, and he's annoyed me to no end. But, like, I liked seeing a guy figure it out, and, you know, finally that talent, we're starting to really see it.

And it's encouraging. Six scoreless against a team that owns the Phillies is encouraging. On the road. Yeah, on the road. So it's big stuff. Him shushing the guy who said he's a high school pitcher, basically. It was hilarious. And, yeah, he's mixing in all his pitches

for strikes and that's going to be the thing that is um that is going to let him continue being successful yeah i think you put it really well in the sense that look i don't think any phillies fan who's like who's listening right now like the diseased ones like us you know the ones who've been in every single game every single season season, through the bad times, through even the recent better than before but still bad and frustrating times and not living up to expectations and all that. The last five years, if you've been us, locked in with Vinny, it's really hard to trust it. We've just seen that guy take the hill too many times

and had the results we've had to say, viscerally feel it right when he goes to the hill like we just feel this thing we're like oh it's vinny velasquez and they all like we know we know what's gonna happen you can look up for three innings we know what's gonna happen like but to your point like a we can enjoy it without saying vinny's the guy this and that, and going overboard. We can enjoy it. And also, it does look different. If you're looking for something to grab onto, the way he's working, the trusting the catcher, the speed with which he's working

comparative to what he used to do, all this stuff is, and he's still slow. Don't get me wrong. But you know what I mean. There are reasons for optimism. And I mean, can you imagine if he, and look, he's not gonna be sick shut out every time. But if he's a viable starter for this team, like what a massive difference this team it'll make for this team. Like, I mean, they're somehow one game under 500 with the worst defense in baseball and the worst Phillies defense we've ever seen.

baseball and the worst Phillies defense we've ever seen and with an offense that has been obviously really bereft of talent with their two their two best hitters and three of their best five hitters down for significant periods of time on the island prior inning out and all that stuff and lack of roster depth to fill in like there's still a game under 500 Jack like and if Vinny can be a guy for you and you get guys back and you start to score some runs, like, look, we've been really negative on this team for good reason, especially because they're frustrated and they are to watch. But like, there are reasons for optimism. Like Alec Boehm won't be this bad. He won't be this whole season.

Like he won't be. Nola will be better. Like the defense, if they can, if they're neverola will be better like the defense if they can not if look they're never going to be more talented but if they can eliminate the the routine the bonehead the the plays that anyone in the world can make type stuff like there are reasons to look at this team right now and say like oh that's positive and here's another one let me get to this with you jack because that's the other kind of pitching thing we haven't talked about. Spencer Howard goes for today, obviously just lost in the fifth. And it clearly it's I don't remember a pitcher in recent memory who when he just loses it,

it's so precipitous and quick from looking completely nasty to coming back the next inning and being completely done. But Ranger Suarez, like, is this a possible fifth starter combination type of thing where you get Howard for three, four, five and Suarez for two, three, whatever that could maybe work? Yeah, I just wonder if Spencer had a run to first base and that's why I couldn't figure it out. Unbelievable. Right. And like, thank God it was he doubled it from last time. But still, it is wild how like quick like in the fifth inning, it was, like, so clear. He didn't have it anymore. You could see he was, like, it was almost like he had nothing left in his arm, and he's trying to, like, muscle pitches in there.

It was really precipitous. Yeah, and it is quite frustrating. But, I mean, you do hope that as he continues to throw and continues to get stretched out. And, like, I i'm honestly i'm just trying to to stay optimistic with spencer like it's funny the the first couple innings i was like all right this is like a really good plan because what he did was was he came out and it was 93 94 which is fine because if you're a starter and you're planning to go deep in games like verlander used to do this all the time like verlander would come out throwing 94 and then the eighth eighth inning it'd be like 97 to 100

like if you need a ramp up to get there that's fine um and i actually thought he was doing that decently well and he was still hitting 96 in the fourth but like you just you can't buy like you can't buy into a guy if he's throwing if if he's out of gas by the fifth inning. Again, it's better than the third inning last time, and hopefully this is growth because his stuff is stupid. Like you can just – the stuff just jumps off the fastball. Yeah, those first few innings, it's like, whoa. I know.

He really does flash, Jack. He does. He does. So you hope that this is just him getting more innings under his belt and by the midway point of the season, like he'll be fully ramped up and everything be ready to go. But listen, it all I'm saying is if we're still in July and he's at 90 miles an hour in the fourth and fifth inning, like it's just I'm out. I mean, it's as simple as that. I'm out. But I do like the idea of piggybacking Spencer and Ranger. And Spencer, obviously, he has problems coming into not clean innings.

So he can't be a reliever. But Ranger seems to have no problems. I have loved. Dude, Ranger today. That was impressive. I was impressed with Ranger Suarez today. Yeah, and it's funny because his stuff doesn't jump off the the page no no jack no buddy it really doesn't but what he does is he comes in

he throws strikes and he's not afraid of anyone and that's the key he's deceptive i mean not to us but to the hitters you could tell that like they don't pick up his stuff as well as you would think they would watching it on tv the And the key to him is, is, is just, he comes in, he knows, he knows his stuff is not, you know,

otherworldly, but he'll, he'll go right at you. He'll attack you. He won't walk guys. And you need that. I mean, you need that coming out of the bullpen.

So it's an interesting strategy. It worked today. I mean, Spencer was good and then they kind of got bailed out there with Ranger in the fifth but yeah it's interesting and Ranger Suarez is going to pitch some important innings for this team and again look so far so good

like you said I've been very impressed with Ranger so far and the Howard thing look so with you for now I'm going to say like look this team has not handled them well as we've talked about many times I mean that the Colorado appearance is like just such a flashing sign of like, what the bleep are you doing with your literal top prospect in your organization? And like, your only pitching prospect who's not 18, 19 years old, who you can get like really legitimately excited about? Like, why is he not precious in the way you're handling him in terms of turning him into a starting pitcher? But I'm with you. It's going to be interesting to see how he progresses.

Because, look, he did make progress from the last one. And, you know, him just losing his stuff after four innings is still not ideal. But after 58 pitches, no less. Like, you know, they were four easy innings. It's worrisome. It just is. But you hope that it's the back and forth it's the way they handled him and that he's still working back up and all that i'm gonna hope that's we're gonna

put my hope right now jack um all right let's get some of the offensive stuff and then we'll get to some of the off the field things uh reese hoskins man like in terms of of obviously you know he's we know he's hot and cold and he's you's clearly in a bit of a good streak right now, but in terms of a guy you need in the moment, he's really been coming through for this team the last couple weeks, really. Yeah, and especially without JT and Bryce, obviously, which is even more. Yeah, that's my point. Yeah, they really needed Reeves right now, really needed him.

He's the one true bat you got in the lineup when he's on, and he's been on. Yeah, and I think the most impressive thing to me is how much of a leader he's looking like out there. Yeah, that homer, the 2-0 game, right? Like, that was the most emotion we've seen from this team since, like, the first week of the season, it feels like. That, and even the homerun today he was fired up about. Yeah, so it's interesting where we're at with Reese

because he's hitting the ball hard. I mean, he's batting.309 in May, if I remember that correctly, or maybe I was heading into the play today. So they're getting good Reese, and it's good to see. Obviously, the defense is still shaky, but I've just been more impressed with the leader he's been with JT and Bryce out. I mean, you saw it Tuesday night, I guess, when they won and Hector Neris and all that,

and him and Hector are celebrating after the game. There was an earlier play. I think it was Maton made kind of a slick defensive play, and Reese was like like good job like was very i just felt like reese is is turning into almost the leader of this team and i maybe when jt and bryce comes back it'll change because those are jt and bryce and they have a different level of stature than reese but they need someone like i like i don't know who the leader is of the phillies and we thought it was talked about this a lot jack with bryce and jt healthy like this has than Reese, but they need someone. Like, I don't know who the leader is of the Phillies. And we thought it was talked about this a lot, Jack, with Bryce and JT healthy.

Like, this has been a concern. You've brought this up and you brought up with relation to the road struggles. Like, this has been a theme that we've talked about. Right. And I wonder if Reese is kind of taking that, you know, is kind of taking that, so to speak. Yeah, because I do think Reese is a good leader. I mean, when he first came up, remember, it he was like you know he went to home run derby and like 18 and he's obsessed with like well i remember you talking about this jack the idea of reese coming up through the system and how important it is to have leaders like that who come up with these guys

and know these guys and and lead them throughout the. Like that's something you've talked about throughout the years on this podcast. Right. So I, yeah, I, it we'll see if it continues, obviously.

I mean, that's how we're at with the Phillies, but my, my, my main, my main Reese takeaway from the week from the week was like, looks like a leader having big moments. I mean,

coming through with big clutch hits, obviously they're early in games, but still big hits when they need them. Defense is still brutal, but I mean, I did have a sweet tag on Miguel Rojas today, so maybe he's getting hot defensively. Don't let Reese get hot. At least he's not the Pittsburgh Pirates first baseman.

Am I right? I mean, what a baseball play. Honestly, there's a lot of hyperbole out there these days. In the running for craziest baseball play I've ever seen. Like legitimately, it's up there. Right? I mean, it's up there. Like the guy ran all the way back home.

They throw to the tag, he runs back, he ends up on second base. It was an insane play. For those who haven't seen it the cubs and the pirates check out i'm sure most again we're all diseased baseball and philly fans i'm sure most of you have seen it but if you've not done the pleasure of watching just just google javi baez cubs pirates error play whatever it'll come up insane just an insane play yeah i mean like i think about uh like one of my favorite plays, the Jeter flip to get Giambi. No, I'm not digging you.

I'm just... That's funny. I know. It took me a second. I reacted. That was such a horrible job by me. Jeez. Have you ever hosted a podcast with me before?

Craziest plays, I should have said. Not, you know... Anyway. Screw you, Jack. Thank you for that. Thank you. You know who never called a Derek Jeter game?

Ah, there it is. Jim Nance. Never called it because he's not a baseball guy. It's such a shame that in Derek Jeter's illustrious career, never got to hear Jim Nance call a Derek Jeter home run or clutch hit, clutch play. It's a shame.

I just want to know when this is going to end when are we gonna when are we putting the nance bit to bed it's getting hard yeah i'm sure it is now i'm sure that was actually unexpected i had a planned one but i figured i saw an opportunity i'd take it yeah there it is keep it you know keep it natural yeah yeah good work by you i know um all right a couple other things um your boy ronnie wheels to reyes keeps getting hits keeps making plays like that was you know and and you know they should have probably turned it if you didn't bobble a little bit at first like they probably turned it but and and also like you're an idiot yemi garcia get the ad at home like or or don't get the ad at home get the ad at first and look the guy back like so stupid it was like reminisce it was

better it wasn't as bad but reminiscent of those alvarado play in atlanta you know the kind of indecision that the drone for the double play instead of making sure you get that all important most important player on the field out um but um teres has been like i can't believe that we're counting on ron teres but here we are jack yeah i mean it might be time to build a team around him he's uh i mean you know he's a good player he's a good player he's a baseball player um yeah he's a baseball player yeah and like ronald teres is a is a guy that winning baseball teams have and And it's a shame because, like, Maton's the same kind of guy. I don't know if Maton's a full-time starter.

We know Torres is not a full-time starter. But, like, those are the guys that winning baseball teams have. Brad Miller is a guy that winning baseball teams have. It's when you're relying on these guys is when you're having a problem. But you're right. Like, if that's your three bench guys, you're like, yeah, dude, like, let's go.

Like, these guys can play defense. They can hit, let's go. Like these guys can play defense. They can hit, or at least a couple of them could play defense. They can hit, you know, you'd like a bopper off the bench, but like, those are three like winning players.

I agree with you, Jack. Yeah. Except now they're best players. So they're winning players when they're your 23, 24 and 25 guys, when they're your four, five and six guys or six,

seven and eight guys or whatever you know we are these days that that's a problem right so uh yeah he's he's he's been good and yeah it was a weird play with yemi because because like if he had just gone straight to second base doesn't hesitate for a second it's an easy double play if he had just looked the guy back got in the out at first played it smart no one's killing him he did the the one thing, like looked him back and then still tried to get the double play. It was really weird. Yeah, it was funny.

Cliff Floyd, I think, on the broadcast said, just throw home and have a double play. It's like, well, no, that's not how it works. Did he really say that? Yeah. Cliff said that? Yeah, he said he should have just gone home and then had the fourth play there and the third or first base.

And I was like, I don't think so. But yeah, yeah. Listen, put the ball in place. They need Jim Nance on the YouTube broadcast so he can get it right. Tell Cliff what an idiot he is in that situation. That wasn't it either,

by the way. All right. What else I got for you before we get to the off the field stuff and then the take back. All right. Bryce, I like more more roster mismanagement but at least they put him on the aisle we don't need to get in the whole thing again but just another example of what we're talking about um rafael marchand's out of a defensive player jack yeah yeah like like a legit defensive catcher yeah he is he is and it's funny because, listen, Andrew Knapp had a week, man. I mean, the poor guy.

He hit the ball twice, man. Like, let's just say he got hit in the nuts twice on back-to-back nights. The first one was like a bad one. Like, I hope he didn't have a Yadier Molina or Jose Alvarez situation here bad. It felt like. And he was fine, stayed in. But what a warrior, dude. What a warrior. Yeah, another winning ballplayer. it felt like and he was fine stayed in but what a warrior dude what a warrior yeah another another winning ball player um but it's funny because like i love both marshall and nap like i think i think i think they're both good players and i think obviously marshall needs a little bit of work at triple a to become a major league caliber hitter but no doubt you know uh like

like they should flip marshall at the deadline i mean realistically they have i mean jt's here for four more years uh nappy's fine and marshall i'm so with you man like they have they have they have plenty of catching depth like i just don't see this guy good yeah so i just don't see the like what what is his path here is it, there's no path for at least four years, hopefully. And Knapp is fine as a backup catcher. So, you know, I think you could use, I think Marshawn is a very good defensive player that helps you win ballgames, obviously helped them today.

Offensively, I don't know if he's ever going to get there. But they already have that in Andrew Knapp. And I don't think Marshawn's ever going to be better than JT Romito. I mean, obviously with the DH coming, JT could play first base and all that stuff, but even if so, you have catching depth behind him. You have Logan Ohapi,

you have Randolpho Duran. There's catching depth behind Marshawn, so I think he's actually, his biggest value to the Phillies might be in a trade, because everyone else needs catchers, and the Phillies are a catching factory. Yeah. I don't think there's any question about it, especially because like,

yeah, he might not really ever get there as a hitter, but that doesn't matter at his position. That's what makes JT so valuable. Like he's such a good defensive player. And obviously we've talked about all that other stuff, you know, the issues,

but like catchers don't hit like that is not a prerequisite for being a catcher anymore in major league baseball. It's just flat out. Not, I mean, you know, the issues, but like catchers don't hit. Like that is not a prerequisite for being a catcher anymore in major league baseball. It's just flat out. Not, I mean, you look at the numbers, like other than Buster Posey, who's like having a unbelievable like out of nowhere resurgence season, but like, like guys don't hit. I mean, like Mike Zanino has got 11 homers. He's been like one 99. Like, and that's, he's super valuable. Like, you know what I mean? Like Yasmany Grandal is making like $16 million a year to bat 200,

but get a high on-base percentage and be a great defensive catcher. It is the single position in the sport where the defense just way overrides the offense. It's not even a question. And Rafael Marchand is a a high level major league defensive catcher we don't know about calling games we don't know what's up but he has the skills to be you know among the better maybe not the best whatever but among the the very good defensive catchers in the game and that enough is a is a valuable asset in today's game yeah and i actually thought he did a good job uh he did a really good job framing today. It was weird because Nap's usually pretty good at it,

but I genuinely felt like he was bad the last three games from a catching perspective. Obviously, the pass ball last night, which was his first pass ball of the year, just like it was one of the, you know, he's usually a good framer, and I was surprised at the framing the last couple nights. So I think he definitely did an off night. I mean, he did get to two,

two baseballs off, off the, the private parts. So like, I get it. And also got slammed in the knee, like naps, naps banged up a little bit.

But yeah, we had to catch like every game for like a week, practically like day after night or whatever. I mean, he's really iron man it out for this team when they needed it. All right, I'm going to skip something because I think you're going to have it in the take bag. Okay. Because it's one of our things, so I'm going to guess you do.

So two more things, then we'll get to the take bag. And it's the two things I mentioned before. I'll give you the choice. Do we start with Archie Bradley or with Joe Girardi? I honestly, I don't know what the Archie Bradley one is. So this is a quick one. This is not as big a deal. It's just funny.

So Archie Bradley goes on another show, podcast. Oh, come on, Archie. I mean, whatever. You know, you're not even that good anyway. But comes out and just slams the shift. Like, slams it. Says, throwing expletives around. Like, they should get rid of this shift we wouldn't

have these no hitters if there were if there were no shift um interesting also with the jt thing which i think is a much bigger thing obviously a catcher calling it something but like all of a sudden the phillies are like this vocal team about the rules of major league baseball and how we need to make the game a better sport whatever all of a sudden like i don't know what discussions they're having in this clubhouse but um what do you think about Archie Bradley coming out and just saying, like, he literally said, like, in all, you know, for lack of bleep, the shift is basically what he said. Like, what do you think? Yeah. I mean, it's so it's so funny because I could I can just tell that a pitcher like every single time a ball gets through a shift.

They're like, well, you know, if this was normal defense, then we would have got that. You mean the Jake Arrieta special, Jack? Is that what you're talking about? Right. But what's so funny is that they never say, oh, thank God for the shift. Totally. Which it definitely is way more that than the other way around. As we know, they wouldn't want to get rid of the shift if it wasn't freaking out in pitchers so much.

Right. Right. So it is. It is hilarious but um yeah you know it's funny because everyone talks about the shift right and i just and maybe i'm just blind or naive i just i never notice it like i just i don't think i never notice it helping i never notice it hurting i'm just like oh that ball gets through like whatever but also i i can separate that and say, you know, it obviously helped them in that scenario.

So I guess I just never really know. And I don't think that, like, I don't think getting rid of the shift is all of a sudden going to lead to, like, this offensive explosion or whatever that these people think. But, like, honestly, I would get rid of the shift. Like, I would just say two guys on the left of shortstop, or two guys left second base, two guys on the right, and just play baseball.

My whole thing with baseball is just go back to playing baseball. What bothers me is I'll see a hit up the middle that I've seen for my whole entire life. Yeah, your whole life it's a hit. Yeah, and it's just like you know listen i i personally i would i would ban it just because i i just want people to play baseball again um and i i don't like get excited when the the shift works you know i'm like oh great it worked cool like i'm not like oh there goes another good win for the analytics department um you know and it drives me crazy

it drives me crazy when like guys like nap um and i'm not picking on nap but because i see it all the time but like he'll have the whole left side of the infield open yeah just lay a bunt down like you can't hit like you can't hit anyway just at least like it's funny because a doable is actually the best one at just doing that um just hitting the ball the opposite way where there's, like, no one over there. And this is not like a boomer baseball, right? And it's just like, hey, you know, guys getting on base is good. How about you just take all that? And 98 on the inside is hard to do that.

Not everyone throws 98 on the inside, okay? Like, there are opportunities to go the other way and get a hit through the hole hole so personally i would ban the shift i also don't care like like i think it helps more than it hurts a pitching mindset i totally could see being like oh it screwed me but when it works like ah that's just you know good baseball so um i have no real opinion on on on archie's quotes i would just ban it because i want people to play baseball again. Yeah, I don't care. I think the shift isn't the biggest problem. No, it's definitely not. You know, there are much,

and I think what JD's talking about is a bigger problem. I think whether we want it, whether it's the mound stuff, whatever solutions there are to the pitcher dominance, like that is the biggest issue in the sport right now. But I'm with you. Like, I don't care if they do. I actually think the other interesting, like they, we only always talk about the sides of the field but the other thing they've been

experimenting with in the minor leagues or going to experiment with in the minor leagues is is on the dirt off the dirt like the idea that the infielders can only be on the dirt um i think it's another interesting like you could go wherever the hell you want but you got to stay on the dirt it's another interesting angle to the shift as opposed to sides of the field like so anyway i do think doing stuff i'm fine with stuff like that. As many people have talked about, there is a better version of baseball. And the better version of baseball is when there are balls in play and there's doubles and triples and great defensive plays and just action and fun.

That's the sport we love. And it's okay to be a baseball purist to love the game as it is but to say hey you know what there's a lot of strikeouts these days there's a lot less triples there's a lot less super awesome defensive plays like give me more of that stuff and it's okay to try and tweak the game to get it to that level all right you know what's funny though you know what's funny though off that is like yeah and i agree but i still i still love watching it like i still oh absolutely absolutely that's the thing is like it's still great it's still great we love And I agree, but I still love watching it. Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely. That's the thing. It's still great. It's still great. We love baseball. It's going to be good no matter what, but there is a better version of it. You know what I mean? And I do hope that they – like Mike Shield the other day going on that 10 minute rant about like about the pine tar and stuff like he's right.

I mean, if you want to just call it, you know, if this is widespread throughout the sport, make it like actually enforce the rule. And, you know, you're not going to hear me give Joe West credit for anything ever, but good for him for going out and calling it out. Like someone has to do something like the, this is on you. I'm now like major league baseball and force it just to force it. Well, and then I'll stop.

Well, that's, that's Joe West. Who's now the all time games, games, God umpt, I guess, a leader.

I know, I know. Joe West is the worst. It pains me to say something positive. He's not the worst. He's not the worst. No, they're angel.

Angel Hernandez. You're right. All right. Did you already think uh and this is by the way for for those wondering this is where i was gonna drop the uh the the nance thing um people were waiting with bated breath yeah yeah so gerardi all right so we all know about the gerardi bryce thing the lying yeah about harper's injury and getting called out and being like, well, competitive advantage, which, fine. I don't think it's as big or as really competitive advantage

as Girardi made it out to be. I don't think there's really much of any competitive advantage, but whatever. I'm fine with teams keeping things close to the basket and competitive advantage. But now, it's gone to another level, Jack. So here's a quote from Joe Giardia after the game today. And I believe he was asked a question about Segura and Maton

and why Segura came in, something along those lines. And this is what he answers. He says, just so you guys know, we're going to approach this different. I've talked to people in our organization just a manager's decision uh and i'm not going to share anything who's available who's not available because i think it's somewhat unfair to us just like if you were to do something you're not going to necessarily share it with another rival reporter so that's the way we're going to handle it just a manager's decision so joe gerardi is saying screw you guys i'm not telling you anything anymore yeah after lying and then i'm guessing

got in trouble for it in some form or another with all the outside aspects to this whether it's gambling whether it's the league whatever but lied about bryce harper's injury said it was not injury related two days later he was on the aisle it clearly was it was a lie flat out lie um and now he's like i'm taking my bowling going home jack what do you think about this and by the way real quick i was going to say a true media professional like jim nance would never stand for something like this but go ahead um yeah good one um but so that was that was the response that deserved so um yeah i mean it's like i've asked this before and i'll ask it again how did this guy manage for a decade in in new york i mean seriously you know you know it's it's just just answer the questions i don't know like really it's your job it's your job like literally

it's a big part of your job we ran a guy out of town for this thing jack like the reason everyone hated game capler when it really came down to it yeah there was the analytic stuff yeah there were a couple moves at the beginning that people never forgave him for for some reason but like on a basic level it was that he shined us on and didn't always kind of tell us what was really happening all that and people hated it like and now gabe capler by the way is 30 and 19 with a way less talented roster but farhan farhan farhan another day farhan farhan what do you think i mean like i i just this comes off as so soft to me and so just weak weak-willed weak-minded like mike sealski put out a quote from the joe gerardi press conference that i forgot about but joe

gerardi during his introductory press conference with the phies said, quote unquote, I don't do as much storytelling as other managers, but I'm going to tell you the truth all the time. Like, like for a guy who is collecting quite a large paycheck and came in with all this cache of a culture changer and a baseball guy and all that, he has sucked at his job for the most part. And look, I know we've talked about it. There are a lot of the issues are on the players and in the clubhouse and on the team that they built in the front office. But it's not like Joe Girardi has made things better.

And he certainly made some dumb, questionable, flat out wrong moves and decisions in games. And now this, like I'm starting to lose my patience with Joe Girardi, Jack. That's where I'm at. This is a joke. This is a joke. I don't even care. Teams should hold things close to the best. This is the way baseball works. Every other manager in the league does this stuff. You get caught in a lie once, and you have to whine about it and be like, oh, well,

competitive advantage, and now screw you guys. I'm not telling you anything. Like, I just, it feels weak. I'm massively disappointed with Joe Girardi again. Yeah, you know, I guess I just don't care. And I know it. I get it. Like, I know it sounds bad. I'm sure a lot of people don't. I'm sure a lot of people don't.

Yeah, I'm not trying to. Yeah, like, I'm not trying to pull the big journal guy, you know, saying like, oh, you know, know i gotta stick up for the writers in this town um and listen they do a great job and i think it's wrong um that he's doing this it's just like i care more about you know pitching to cory dickerson uh with a three one a three one count uh with a freaking base open what was he doing there yeah what was that yeah what was that but uh but it definitely does seem like he does it does seem like he's being a baby about this and it's like it's like joe if here's what i can't tell i can't tell if he's cracking or if he's or if he's stepping up

because i do think there is a chance and i i do think there's a a possibility that he is turning into, like, the real Joe Girardi. Like, the tough, you know, we're going to start really turning up the heat in here kind of Joe Girardi. Or if he's cracking. You know what I mean? Like, is this him losing composure? Or is this him actually, like, gaining composure and like not letting people control his foot down kind of thing yeah so like honestly i can't tell because that's what i care about more like is this is this him losing it or is this him stepping up so um it's interesting

it's interesting and i wonder how long like it's weird because he also has a manager show that he does with franski like is he just to sit there for five minutes and say, managers, they're just not going to answer the question. Like, hey, Joe, where'd you go to dinner this weekend? You get anything good? Yeah, well, it's like he's acting like he's being scapegoated or people are making up lies about him. It's like, no, dude, that's not what happened here.

What happened here? You lied. You lied. It's okay, but you lied. lied like you got caught in a lie it happens i know i know so yeah i i hope that this is again i'm hoping this is a uh this is a uh motivational tactic or a you know him kind of putting his foot down but the part of me wonders if he's if he's kind of losing his composure yeah i think the one true takeaway from this and uh i like it's clear as day to me and it's really my main takeaway from this is that we are way tougher way harder nosed way everything way more intense in philadelphia than they are in new york new york soft that's got to be the only explanation it was a decade

this stuff in new york you give me like it flies i guess so we're just tougher we are tougher and our teams are less talented yeah always all right what do you got in the take back what do i have in the take bag for you um oh well speaking of the uh the gerardi thing so like i'm just i'm wondering like i'm wondering if sagora is it what happened is sagora hurt like let me ask you this do you think sagora's hurt or do you think he benched him like i think it might have just even been a day off i don't know like be pinch hit him and then he didn't put him at second base you know i don't don't know. That was really weird. It was really weird. I mean, it could just be a sign that he doesn't think Gene is playing good defense. Honestly, it could be.

I don't I trust you to go up and get us a hit in a spot when we need you to. I don't trust you to make a play in the field like I trust me time more. I would. I would trust me time more in the field. I mean, Gene has been a good second baseman at times, as we've talked about. But like like he's not focused. He's not whatever. So I think it could be like that type of thing i think if he was benching him he would have done it after

the other game where the guy uh by most see i almost heard there wow the guy because that was i mean dude like when gene cigar laid on the ground and got jumped like that was like the worst play of the season potentially legitimately yeah that one like embarrassment like and and alec bohm, just horrible. But, like, this Segura thing is so much worse. And we talked about it last time. But, like, if you're going to bench him, you bench him after that, right? Yeah.

So, I have a theory. I have a theory. And my theory. I love a good theory. And I don't know if you picked up on this or if you agree with me or not. But in Miami, I felt like they were playing a lot more small ball. They were stealing more bases they were doing more hit and runs they actually did execute a hit and run uh get them over get

them in flies multiple sack flies for runs out there which is like whoa right and they're and i genuinely felt like they were starting to kind of and and their strikeouts were way down this week way down jack like right shockingly single digits all games which is like when did they do that yeah yeah really against good pitchers like pablo lopez and alcatara like those guys can strike guys out like it's not you know right trevor rogers yeah so i it feels like they're making this concerted effort to uh manufacture runs and figure out different ways to score because the offense has been so bad. So in that scenario, and obviously he worked in a pitch at bat, all that, and it was good.

But he had a runner on second base, no outs, and he didn't get him over to third base, which if you get two strikes, like, you know, that's part of your job. And then he kind of didn't get down to first base very fast. I like this. So he benched him. That's actually really interesting jack i do wonder if if it was like hey we're gonna we're gonna start enforcing that this is the way we

play and if you don't if you don't play the way that we're changing how we're playing then you're out so i don't know it's something to monitor like my main one of my main takeaways um outside at least uh outside of uh reese's leadership was it felt like they're making a concerted effort to strike out less, put more balls in play, move guys over, manufacture runs, hit and run, and all that stuff. It's an interesting way to go about it. Maybe they're finally seeing what the Marlins have been doing to them for two years now. I wonder if Segura didn't do the game plan. So just wanted to monitor. Wanted to monitor, I would say.

I think it's fascinating. Real quick, Jack, I think that's a really interesting take, especially with the lineup they have without Harper, without Didi, without JT. It would be smart tactically to play a different brand of baseball. Well, you're saying you shouldn't play for the big inning with Oduouble batting four. For the guys that get their own runs?

Yeah, maybe not. But also I do think, I think you sold me on this. Because it is weird no matter what the situation even Mayta being a better defender, clearly it is weird that he just took Segar out after that. It is weird. You know, because that game could have gone extras. That's weird.

You're wasting a roster spot on a one-run game like that. That's weird. Or at the time, a tie game, right? That's a weird one. You're right. Sam Coonrod has been brutal recently. And look, to be fair, the other night the defense didn't have his back. He should have been out of that inning.

But he's not been good, Jack. Yeah, and guys are, for for the first time all year they're really starting to square up his fastball so i wonder uh that seems like a dead arm thing like these relievers always go through these things we saw brogdon go through a stretch and it feels like he's starting it back like could it just be one of those stretches i feel like relievers always have these stretches oh well yeah i mean it's hard because we base everything off of Lidge's 48 for 48 in this town. So, well, it's definitely not Dead Arm. He's still hitting 100. But I do think there's something mechanically.

No, no, no. Dead Arm was the wrong term. That's usually Versa. I meant like a, just like it feels like there are these periods where relievers will go through a couple spots in a row and they're struggling and they figure it back out. Yeah. No, listen. Coonrod's stuff is still stupid.

So he'll figure it out most nights, especially when you have 100 in your back pocket. Like it's, listen, Coonrod's stuff is still stupid, so he'll figure it out most nights, especially when you have 100 in your back pocket. Like, it's easy to, you know, make mistakes. Seven straight scoreless

for Hector the Protector. So that was the thing that I didn't bring up because I knew would be in the take back. It's so funny because we do our whole Hector's Protector's things

and then he has that bad outing and then he's been great since. Like, just hector's good man he's 1.99 era jack yeah well can't close everyone knows that um but but uh but yeah listen i just i'm rooting for him i'm just i'm saying i'm not a guy we're in for a penny in for a pound jack like hector narris is our guy for better or worse man we are hector's protectors uh brandon kinsler is freaking terrible i feel like not we're like how many guys do we keep going through and being like not a major league pitcher like david ale matt moore this is like it feels like brandon kinsler is not a major league dude and it's like

this guy was the best reliever in the 2019 cubs, best reliever in the 2020 Marlins, gets here terrible. Like, my new big philosophy that I am abiding by is no more signing free agent relievers, only trade for relievers. I like that. Or develop, maybe, Jack? What a wild thought that would be. Develop relievers? Yeah, I mean jose alvarado

and sam coon robber both trades and and they like alvarado is archie bradley and brandon kinsley and and like have you seen what tony watson's done this year yes i have yeah yeah should have kept yeah well who could have who could have saw the the guy who's had like a 1.6 ERA for the last decade was going to be fine. We just got to sign Bryce's friend though, man. Bryce wants us to sign him. Yeah, yeah. He's going to, you know, whatever. He is the worst.

Anyway. Well said. Dude, I know he's not the best player in baseball, but Corey Dickerson is the scariest player I've ever faced in my life. Like that guy. I love him. I wish you were a philly so bad well like he was i my point being i wish you were still a philly i should have said i have a i still have a fantasy baseball team that will forever be named dickerson in a box because i've won so many freaking titles with it i love cory dickerson yeah it's a great name right yeah he is he i just feel like every single time is going to

hit a ball a minimum 110 miles an hour off the bat like he always squares it up and uh you know it's interesting because if they didn't sign mccutchen he probably would have been the left fielder because they could have traded oh and boy yeah and look at shame like that obviously i mean man and he's been better offensively but struggling a bit again recently like not much better and just defensively i mean like an absolute disaster and it's a shame because like the mccutchen i love andrew mccutchen i have it multiple times during this contract said he's my favorite player like guy on the phillies and stuff but like empirically numbers versus versus production, it was an absolutely

bad signing. I think there's no way around it. And obviously the injuries make part of that, but still, it is what it is. Yes. And then two more things here. Benny Montgomery has been linked to the Phillies in two straight mock drafts, one put out by Keith Law and one

put out by MLB.com. Obviously it's early, I mean, but we are getting close to draft time, James. I know you're getting excited because I'm getting excited about it. Oh, you know I'm excited. Honestly, it's all I've been thinking about. I know. I know. I know you can barely contain yourself.

But Benny Montgomery is so interesting. My comp for him is Hunter Pence. He can play center field from day one. He's a high school kid. He's from around here. But he's interesting because he has this weird hitch that he's a he's a high school kid he's from around here um but he's interesting because he has this weird hitch that he's worked to get out of a swing but like the pop is is legitimate legitimate pop they're worried about you know bat to ball contact stuff um but

he seems to get a really high upside guy um wouldn't be my first choice to be honest with you um but but it's interesting. An interesting choice. And at least it's a guy with a legitimate upside. But obviously it's early and things can change. I just wanted to point that out as we're getting closer to draft season. It's in July. It used to be in June.

But, yeah, speaking of June, James, June 1st, you and I are doing a Facebook Live. Well, technically June 2nd, but it's for June 1st. It's Tuesday. Oh, it is Tuesday. Because June 1st is Memorial Day. Right. But June 2nd, the idea was based on June 1st.

We're doing a Facebook Live, a high-hopes Facebook Live. We're going to talk basically like the – Jack, did you realize this works out pretty well, that Monday, after Monday's games, leading into our thing on Tuesday, it will be exactly a third of the season completed, 54 games after Monday. So we'll be one third of the way through the Major League Baseball season on Tuesday, like getting into that. So that should be fun. We'll do like a third of the way check-in.

If this was last year, there would only be 10 games left in the season and the Phillies would be ready to blow it but that is a wild jack I'm really happy you said that because I had not done that yet I had not put that into the context of my mind of the 60 games last year and because it was the end of the season and you think about it later and the time it was like wow I what a what a ridiculous thing that season was yes um but yeah so it's a facebook live uh brought to you by goldenberg's peanut juice you're damn right we're gonna so i don't know if i i don't know if i told you this but i want to uh see how many i can eat in a in the facebook live hour okay so good i'm happy that this is happening

because because you didn't tell me about it. The other Jack, we'll call him other Jack on this pod. We love him. Great guy. Jack Kaffer. Other Jack said to me that that was a potential thing that was going to happen. And I was like, this is an all time idea. So I'm very in on this.

Yeah. I mean, just tune in to see how many peanut chews. If you don't tune in for anything else, just see how many I can get to in the hour. But yeah, I think we'll be taking your Facebook live questions. It'll be on the WIP Facebook page. So yeah, come out, hang out, and we'll have a fun little time talking about this electric Phil's baseball team.

It's going to be awesome because they're going to take two from the Rays and then win against the Reds on Monday, and we're going to be talking about a team that's won four straight. Five out of six, we're going to be Jack-Jack. Jack-Jack. I don't know if I've ever done that. That was pretty good. I was not even on purpose.

It's going to be a good time. I'll be fresh off a weekend of playing what's 36 plus 18, James? 36 plus 18, James? 36 plus 18 is 54. Yeah, fresh off a weekend playing 54 holes of golf on the Poconos. So, I mean, I'm going to, yeah. I don't know.

That's a lot, Jack. That's a lot of golf. Yeah, that's a lot of golf for someone who hasn't played in a while. Yeah, for someone who hasn't played. But you're a good golfer. Yes. Those two don't know out there. Jack's like a legit golfer. Yes. Those two don't know out there. Jack's like a legit golfer.

Wow. I, Jack, as soon as we stop recording, now technically I have to post it. Yes, you do. You have a job to do. I took Tim Moore off, so I'm off for the next four days. I'm like super excited.

So you're going to be well rested for this Facebook Live on Tuesday. Yeah, I'm going to be bringing it. If you're not here for this Facebook Live, you're going to miss my frenetic energy, which is a loss for everybody. So check it out. I think if you had to set the over-under

on amount of peanut shoes in an hour, what's your over-under? So quick question. Are we doing the tiny size peanut shoes? I would hope so, personally. Yeah, I think it has to be those. So let's say in an hour. Are you going for it? I have. have come on i always go for it okay i just want to make sure i'll make sure yeah i'll set the over under it at 18 peanut juice all right like essentially one every couple

minutes yeah yeah because you because you left some peanut chews in the studio uh i don't know if you remember this like last or two weeks ago and uh i did not remember this yeah i left peanut chews i didn't eat them yeah i pounded like i pounded like four and two in an hour you've been prepping for this yeah some would say that yeah i believe it yeah all right uh is that the end of the the take bag my friend that is the end of the take bag also uh you know of course there's some some fresh high hops for you i had that four fingers brewing company i see a lot of and I would like to thank high hops listeners, because I know it's you.

You all, you don't curse in this pod, bleeping rock. I wanted to say another word there, but you rock. I see so many pictures on Twitter of people tweeting out the high hops cans, and it just warms my heart and soul every time. Ah, nice. so do it for

james yeah and for jack yes yeah i mean even more for jack right then for me but do it for me too trying to try to make a living back here exactly we're trying to survive you know uh what else you got uh i'm good i'm good enjoy enjoy memorial. Your weekend. We'll see if we do a podcast. Maybe you can call me in my two and a half hour drive home. Yeah. My guess is we will take the weekend off, but we'll be there Tuesday. Maybe we can even post the Tuesday thing. Potentially.

I don't know. I'm not great with that stuff, but we'll figure it out. Either way. Check us out Tuesday. We might be there Monday. Look, if they take two from the Rays and beat the Reds on Monday, we'll probably be talking to you Monday night. We'll see what happens.

We'll see what happens. Yeah, but either way, to what Jack said, have a wonderful Memorial Day. It's been a long last year, and it's nice for everyone to get a day, head into the summer, feel some good vibes. Baseball is going to start getting real and uh it's going to be fun the phillies shockingly with the worst events we've ever seen are somehow still in this thing so i just didn't i just didn't like that you just said baseball is going to start getting real because this season has already been brutal yeah it's

too real it's real to me damn it Well, maybe it'll get less real, but better. Whatever. We'll talk to you guys soon. He's put some salt in it. See you later.