High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - Actually, This Weekend Was A Good Thing

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

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in the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcast. I feel a little less alone. Yo, it is another edition of the high hopes podcast brought to you by Miller Light. Official sponsor of the Philadelphia Phillies, tastes like Miller time, Philadelphia celebrate responsibly. Fritzy, we had an amazing, amazing night in Redding. So many people showed up and the Phillies did not play this weekend, right? That that's all that happened. We just went to Redding and that was the only thing that happened all weekend. It's all we're going to talk about, right? That's all we should talk about. So, thing that happened all weekend. It's all we're going to talk about, right?

That's all we should talk about. So, so I want to start this podcast off with maybe the most shameless thing I've ever said in the history of this show. You have said some shameless things before ringthebellbook.com. Yeah, buy the book now. Good. Yeah. Well, always buy the book for I actually ordered. I had to order 1500 copies of it last last week. So I had to real quick, I had to go wire the money. I have never felt more like an adult in my entire life. Yeah, then wiring the money. I was like, wow, Western Union or something. Oh, man, it was it was special. It was a really grown up thing to do. I'm proud of you. Yeah. So, so yes, please buy the book. We have extra copies. Plenty of plenty of plenty of books. Jack needs you to buy the book like

desperately. Yes. Plenty of books to go around. Listen, I know our download numbers. I know our download numbers on this podcast. There's a lot of people I'm gonna start I'm gonna start naming names. I'm just kidding. Love to listen to this podcast unless you buy the book, right? Exactly. We do this podcast for free for a million years, you know, the least you could do. I'll even give seltzer a little bit. I'm feeding my kids water sandwiches. No. So the most shameless thing I think I've ever I've ever said and then will ever say on this podcast is I'm glad that weekend happened. Oh, you you can get yourself where you need to be mentally and emotionally

better than anyone I've ever known. Like your ability to go from here to to here You know and just find a way to get there and spin it You're a lead at it. Honestly, it's it's a real skill proud of you, buddy So go never never get too high never get too low elaborate on why the you know getting out scored You know 25 to 10 or whatever. It was this weekend was great. Yeah, so one they don't the best record in baseball anymore I realized the two podcasts ago when we said that they actually still had the best record in baseball We don't want that we don't want that we don't yeah

Yeah, we're good. So so I'm glad they don't the best record in baseball anymore. I did not like to stay we like that Yes, I did not want to stay we like that. Yes. I did not want to peek in May I started getting I started being I waking up in the middle of night thinking about are the fills peeking too early and Well after last year, you know, it's a real Concern yeah, I know I know and I'd like I mean I direct history is the scariest history the one that just happened So that's and I think it's very important. As we are now I mean, it's crazy. We're, we're like, literally under two months. It's June. How is it June right now? We are under two months until a

trade deadline. Like I, we they need to make their they need to make their their holes obvious and the issues they have obvious. And I think that they were all on display this weekend. I mean, the bullpen, clearly not where it needs to be. The lineup without Bryce, oh my goodness. And you go from- All's apart. You go from Bryce in the lineup and you're like,

this is a pretty deep lineup, to the second he's out of it being like, this is a pretty deep lineup to the second he's out of it being like, well, these guys are exposed. You know what I mean? Like these guys are all dude, boom, whatever they just keep them down in the lineup. Every single time they before ever again, just know every single time that they put the they put them back up there. I think he starts pressing and you get a like Alec Baum hitting six through eight. Fine. Just fine. Just put it back up there, I think he starts pressing and you get a, like Alec Baum hitting six through eight, fine.

Just put him back there. Cassianos is like, he doesn't care where he hits, but he's not going to put extra pressure on himself batting at the top of the lineup. So I really, from the standpoint of a little bit of a humbling, needed that. I wanted a humbling. I didn't want to coast through the regular season. I needed a humbling. We got the humbling and some of their their flaws. Very, very prevalent this weekend. So overall, I'm happy

that weekend happened. Yeah, some would say that, you know, the, you know, not getting too high, you know, reality check would have happened when they lost in the playoffs last year after the whole best record in baseball thing, you would think that same group and all that, but you know, we'll go with it being this weekend. Look, I'm fine with the concept of I, I, I'm with you, all the things you said about peeking at the right time and not wanting them to get too full of themselves.

And, and honestly, I think the idea of, of Dave Dave Dombrowski watching this team and the holes that we know have to be corrected and can be corrected before the or at least attempted to be corrected for the playoffs, that they are glaring and that is impossible for Dave to ignore them or find a way around them or whatever. So I'm with all that. But man, I can't I can't it wasn't good. Yeah, it was just like, look, you're right. Bryce leaves

the lineup and all of a sudden it feels and looks much less deep. But we've also seen this group of guys, it was a couple of years ago when Bryce gets the hand broken, like rally without Bryce Harper and play great baseball without him. And I just don't love that Bryce is out. Well, we all stink now. No one's gonna go about their business the same way. We're gonna stop approaching hitting the way we were before and who cares?

Like they're not deep is the issue here. Like it's not a deep lineup. And if Bryce goes, if Schwaber goes, it feels like they're just done. Like it's over. Like they done, like it's over. Like they are that important to this team. Yeah, and what was disappointing is that it almost felt like they went into this weekend

and said Bryce is out, I'm checked out. And that's how they played. I mean, even in the Lazardo start, I obviously didn't make my way all the way through it. That was the truth. Not gonna rewatch that whole thing though. No, no, but but even in that game, I mean Cassianus drops a ball in right field That led to a double there was a Play after that that should have been made. We all know the the tray play yesterday has to be made There was just you could argue a lot

I mean they still twiddling to play but it like it lost them the game. Like the trade play yesterday actually lost them the baseball. Yeah, and it's a it's a bummer from the standpoint of like he hadn't made an error in a month. I thought I thought overall for Trey. Yeah, he's been better. He's been playing better defensively. And like that was a that was a reset on the whole say you can't play shortstop get him out like that's it was everyone came back, you know,

they're, they're all waiting in the weeds for, for that moment to happen. But yeah, it is funny. It feels like he can make some of the, the toughest, the ones right at them are the, are the coin flips, but. Which is, which is the, like as it, just as a fan watching the game, we always talk about the, you know, the 2020 bullpen, how you just see them come in and you're like, you know, you're in trouble and

you don't have that feeling of comfort when you're watching a baseball game. There is nothing less comfortable or less enjoyable than a ground ball to the infield that you don't know if your infield is going to handle. Like it sucks. It really does. Like you're instinctual, like ground ball the shirts up. That's an out like instinct instinctually we got it out. And to not feel that way is, is frustrating.

It's really frustrating. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like again, Bohm's gotten better, but still it's not like you're over there. That's rolling. Trey coin flip. When we get Reese back, the first base is going to back to being a we get for one side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I will say

I was proud of the booze by the crowd on Saturday They they boot them after the second one after heading into his third at bat. I think he laughed I think that I think I think he like stepped out and laughed for a second, which I also appreciate Um, yeah the brewers You gotta fall out of this thing. I I. I need the big fella back in this lineup ASAP. But yeah, it was certainly a big day for Reese and a big weekend for Reese. Saturday, so I'm not too worried about Lazardo. I thought it was fastball.

This might sound like an excuse. Thought it was a little too windy. No. I thought it was... I was wondering how excuse-y whatever you were going to say it was going to sound. That was way more than I expected. I was not expecting windy. That's really going for it, buddy. Thank you.

No, I think it's too windy. I thought it's... Pitching in the wind stinks. It does. Your stuff flattens out. It does. I don't like pitching in the wind. So I think it was too windy. I think it was too windy. Now there's a whole thing about leaving him in there.

That's what I was going to ask. I mean that was honestly one of the bigger topics on the morning show today. Came up a lot. People are really angry that they left. I know it was Topper slash Khalid Tree because Topper does get tossed prior to the extra runs giving up. All right. But I mean, and look, the young thing is, you know, it sucks from that perspective. But I mean, just just in general, I mean, you want your players to be happy. You want your players to feel confident. There's a guy who's up for a contract after next season. I know teams aren't going to just look at the numbers, not look into how the numbers

are, you know, put together. But I mean, like, say that's money. He makes money. If he wins a Cy Young, that helps him in kind of all these types of things. Like, uh, how did you feel? Cause I mean, look, I get, I get that you're in a weird situation. That's about where, if you know, the game gets away from you and you know, your bullpen is depleted and you want to see how much you can get out of your, I mean,

we see what Nola a lot, right? I mean, Nola is the king of giving up like six runs in the first two innings and then just battling through six for him to save the pen a bit. So I understand like wanting to get that from Lizardo. I mean, what first time since the 1930s or something, if Philly's pitcher gave up 12 run runs, I mean, yeah, it just, I mean, it feels like at a certain point, I mean, you got to save your guy. What was your thought on that whole thing?

It's been a big topic. Well, and I think the Phillies are upset with it too, because I think that's why Abel started on Tuesday. And I think it's as simple as that. I think it forced their hand because they know that the pen is depleted. They don't have anyone that can give them length out of the bullpen right now.

So I think it totally forced their hand to put Taiwan back in the bullpen. So that if that thing, if that situation happens again, then they have someone there. So, so I think, I think they got caught with their pants down a little bit, like, you know, that to where all of a sudden a guy has to wear it and, and it is a tough battle. He had to wear it, you know, he had to wear it. Now, what was it?

Like when we were growing up or certainly when I was growing up, like guys wearing, it was a thing, you know, that was part of the game, you know, hey, listen, not your day, but get us through some innings and stuff. But it doesn't seem like that happens as much anymore. A and B with a guy like Lazardo and the season he's having, it's just, it was, it was frustrating. Yeah. But at the same time, it was only 76 pitches. No, I know.

I don't think they hurt his arm or anything It's more it's strictly. It's the principle. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah and protecting your guy But also and making your happy and all the stuff, you know Yeah, but also I think I think Lizardo also probably understand it too and he wants to help the team as well I agree. I agree. There's a lot I feel like there's a lot of speaking for Lazardo in what people are saying about this. I mean, it's clear Mike Kalitri, can he handle a bullpen? Do we gotta get Mike Kalitri out here?

So, so. Do we need a new backup manager in case you're off the cost? Yeah. Yeah, that's guy, I don't know if he's got it. 25592. No, but it really did stink though, because Lazardo has been so good. And I hope that at the end of the year, the Cy Young voters can just take out that one

start and he could be. And I mean, it's unfortunate it's going to affect his arbitration number. It could. That's what I'm talking about. That kind of stuff is what I'm talking about. Arbitration, like all that stuff matters, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

So it stinks. But I also think I also think he was upset. Well, he unraveled after the balk and wasn't able to do it. That was a whole, and I get why Topper argued. I mean, it's weird for a third base to call a balk on a left-handed pitcher. Like, I don't know that I've ever seen that play out that way.

Yeah, so a couple thoughts on it. One, I did think it was a balk. I thought that he was moving towards home plate and I thought he crossed the threshold. That's not his call. That's not their base on fire. It's not his call. That's the point.

Like it's not his call. And the second thing, I mean, first off, not his call. Second off, absolute amateur hour, not throwing Rob Thompson out and making Rob Thompson go beg Dan Iassone. I know, he's like, please cost me. not throwing Rob Thompson out and making Rob Thompson go bag Dan Isonia. I know, he's like, please toss me. Yeah, because he looks like an idiot out there, you know? No, he's like, I went out to get tossed. That was the whole point of this.

Like, that's why I'm doing this. I, that's, it was watching. So I went back and rewatched him getting tossed and it just made me love baseball all over again. It's like, it's, it's such a little thing that you got to like know the game and pay attention to. But him having to go argue with a younger third base umpire, the third base umpire, not grasping the situation, and not throwing him out of the baseball game, him having to go talk to the crew chief, basically whispered in his ear, if you just watch

it, he like, he's got really close to I wouldn't be shocked if he said toss me like I wouldn't be shocked. Of course. shocked. Yeah, it's but and then I was thinking about the the idea of a manager getting thrown out of a baseball game is so stupid. It's so fun. It's such a fun thing. Best. It's the best. Like the symbol like get out of here. Like it's just fun. It's a fun thing. Now it's less fun. Everyone's acting Yeah, everyone's just putting on everyone just acting there. They are they look like paid actors when When they get thrown out of games the Empire plays it up the umpires like It becomes WWE for a minute, which is great. Yes

the Roman Empire runs the crowds like you get him out of and then the Thompson standing ovation as he's going. Everyone's in on it. Everyone's in on the act. Everyone's in. It's so good. And I don't know if there's anything that the players get. I got off.

There's any juice they get out of it to be frank. We think there is, but it certainly didn't seem like it worked much on Saturday. Right. That they get them going hold on They got they got to within 10. You're right. They did run differential. That was big You know from seven is huge 17 to 10 or 7 or whatever was nice. Yeah Huge for the run differential you appreciate that we appreciate that on this show run differential people we are we do care about such things Yeah, that way I you know, it's funny. Hey

speaking of the run differential. So obviously when I when I first started following or back in the day with the Phillies growing up, I didn't know anything about run differential. I was just watching the games having a good time, you know, like an idiot, like an idiot. And then when we started this podcast and the Philly sucked obviously was not paying attention to the run differential. I didn't know, like I didn't grasp the run differential thing really until like 19 when it was like, well, they're definitely fraudulent when they're in first place and the run differential was in the negatives. And then and now it's like, oh, if you have a one of the best render differentials in the game, it just it just matters.

But I me being the the the young, I didn't care. And now I really care a lot. It matters a ton. Yeah, I mean, the numbers have borne it out. Like, you know, they they they match up. You know, if you're one of the best run differential teams usually win the playoffs, you, usually the team that wins it all like all that and the point and I hate to bring it up, but the fact that it was a stat for a reason, the fact the Diamondbacks team that we lost to.

There's a reason that only two teams in the history of baseball have ever made it to World Series, the negative run differential, because you're usually not good. Sorry to bring up the Diamondbacks. Yeah, no, that's fair. Oh, man. And by the way, they're not playing. They're not the diamond backs are not playing very well.

No, and they got quarter burns to the core and burns thing. That sucks. We, so she could see on the video with him going, it's my elbow. And you know, like, it's one of those things I think like, uh, you know, jumping sports, but like the Nikobe Dean injury recently, like in the moment he knew, and you knew that it was really bad. You know, sometimes you could just the play, you could tell that the player knows like not great, except for Bryce Harper

who always acts like it's the worst injury that's ever happened in the history of time. Well, I hope he's, I'm a little worried that he, a little worried he's rushing back because of what happened over the weekend. I hope he's fine. I hope he's all good. But my fear is that he's not 100% back and he's going to make some adjustments to his swing or something and try to overcompensate.

And he's coming back. I mean, what was it, last year? Last year where he rushed back from the hamstring or whatever he was dealing with and then sprinted up the first baseline and it was like, what are we doing? This is what he, I mean, he, I, there's certainly a little bit of fear with me. He always remembered that Tommy John, he came, it was like a month and a half, two months before everyone thought he was gonna come back. I mean, he always rushes back. Yeah, so I'm a little, I'm a little worried about from that standpoint and it's, I just,'s, I just I just have a fear

it's not just this. Like swelling. I mean, he got hit Wednesday, or whatever. So I hope it's not. I hope there's nothing structural going going on. Tuesday, maybe right? Yeah, it was a Tuesday. Yeah, yeah, because it was Tuesday because it got rained out Wednesday. Yeah, they played two. Yeah. Yeah, because it was Tuesday because it got rained out Wednesday. Yeah, they played two games Thursday. It's like it. And that's just a hit by pitch, you know, and that's that's my fear is

are they dealing with something structural here? And is he rushing back from that? That's that's really my biggest fear, but I'm glad he's in the lineup tomorrow. Yeah, or they expect him to be at least in the lineup. Yeah. And look, I think everyone they expect him to be at least and in the lineup. Yeah. And look, I think everyone should expect him to struggle at first. I feel like he's never come back from an injury and hit right away. I mean, he's always the timing thing and all that I feel like every single time. So

I wouldn't expect him to come back and jump right back to where he was. But, you know, my big fear too is about the power. I mean, is he is he going to be able to drive the baseball? He's already have, he's already having some trouble doing that so far this year. And at the end of last year, now with this on top of it, I mean, is, is he going to be able to drive it? I think seeing what kind of power he has, uh,

immediately coming back from this injury is going to be a big tell as to, as to how healthy he is. Yeah. And that's huge. I mean, and look, that's the scary thing with Bryce and Bryce going to be 33 in October, which feels crazy even say, but we are at the point when I think Bryce like Bryce is such a smart baseball player and such a good air that I do think he can as a hitter, age well in terms of of average and getting on base and doing all that type of stuff. I think, I think he should age pretty well, assuming the back stays healthy and all that. But the power, I mean that there is going to be a time where that declines. Like it's just going to it, the swing, the way he does it, like at a certain point, he's

not going to hit 35 homers, 30 plus homers in a year. And like, it's always the concern that when these things happen, that it's just one more notch off the, like, like think about it, like in the terms of like, how many home run swings does Bryce Harper have in his body? You know, I mean, it's like, it feels like, you know, with every little nick and every thing to elbow and everything that could hamper it's like, are we losing Bryce Harper home runs? Is this like, you know, we're kind of.

Hurdling towards the end of it, you know? Well, yeah. And we, we might be in the middle of it. I mean, yeah, yeah, have not have not been great since since mid-July of last year. Now he's been productive because he can still usually hit for a high average and he can still drive the ball in the gaps. But I mean, it's like 500 home runs is sadly not a lock. I mean, that's why I said you last time, like I do think like I've thought about more. I think Kyle Schwab is a more likely

person to get to 500 than Harper, even though he's behind him. Good. Yeah. I mean, because short version has that easy power. I just need to work exactly with the with the wrist, the arm strength and like how quick his wrists are. I just feel like he's like his

floor for homers, even if he ages, especially as a DH, which will be his whole career. Like I just feel like he's he ages, especially as a DH, which will be his whole career. Like I just feel like he's gonna age better as a home run hitter. Yeah, so again, I think power wise, the big thing I'm looking for, because if it's more than just swelling,

then maybe we're getting a compromised version of Bryce. And just like, I just, every single year, it feels like he gets hit and has to miss. I know, dude know and it just sucks I know it's the face and the wrist and the diss and the dad. It's like enough man. Like enough. We'd stop hitting Bryce Harper Yeah, I'm sorry, man Robbed we're getting robbed of brilliance because these guys Want to pitch inside to him? It stinks. It stinks, but I'm glad he's in the lab tomorrow. Yeah, I'm glad that Abel's there

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So everyone can benefit follow next pitch on the Odyssey app or wherever you listen to podcasts. I want to get to make in a sec. One thing on the power before we move to make like overall, I guess a team heading into the playoffs and look with this small ball, they're better at that and all that. But you know, outside of Schwab, I mean, we're seeing really declines across the board in power. I mean, Castellanos not as much power, boom, clearly not as much power. Stott is not hitting for power. Turner is not. I mean, he's fine, but not like, you

know, he's 25 Homer power. Like, are you at all a little concerned about that? Especially come October and look, Reese, if they trade for East, that that would be part of that race. But I'm a little concerned. I mean, Kepler is not hitting the ball of the yard. Like, a little concerned about the lack. I mean, again, I like small ball, but Homer's win. Oh, yeah, no, they, you need to have the ability to access the ballpark.

Now, this might be more shameless than the beginning of the ballpark. I love that smile. So if you're not, again, if you see that video of this, we'll put it on YouTube. If you see it on YouTube, Jack just did the all time like I'm about to say something smile. It's been cold, man.

It's been. It ain't hidden cold, man. It's been season man. This season. I'm still wearing I'm still wearing a hoodie, by the way, shot to the fight and Phil's got this. Unbelievable. Awesome merch. Awesome. Awesome. Like really awesome. New are that they're doing with like the old school Phillies. Yeah, those maroon

uniform P's with the R is so cool. Like I can't believe that they didn't do that before. It's so cool. Well I actually like this. I like this app. Yeah I like that one too. I think that's a good logo. I mean yeah I'm wearing a hoodie on June 2nd. It's 55 degrees so and it's been a little cold but at the same time I think Kepler's Kepler is actually, I think Kepler is going to find his power stroke here soon. I think he started to do a little bit better job from that standpoint, but all those guys kind of, I mean, they might all end up with 15 to 20, but that's kind of where they've been, you know, But I think you were hoping for 25 to 30 from these guys. Like, I mean, I know you're not expecting Cassie at 30, but you're hoping for 25 for Cassie. Yeah. Peppler comes in and it's 25 home runs as everyday player, you know, 25 home runs from Kepler, you know. So and I think it's more to your point, 15 to 20 type stuff.

So I agree with you. I think they're they're fine. But they're none. They're all kind of other than Schwerber below that mark that I would have guessed. Yeah. And I guess my my saving grace in the postseason is while they might not be all launching home runs, I think they all can hit a home run. Yeah, and have in the postseason a lot of these guys. I mean, you know, we're talking about today, it's so funny with Castellanos where it's like, he was like,

we forget it because the way the season ended with the diamondbacks and all that's like, he was like, you know, we forget it. Cause the way the season ended with the diamond backs and all that, like Nick Castellanos did something no one in the history of the sport has ever done. He's the only guy to multi-homer games in a row in the playoffs. Like he is, you know, and then at the another, the next day, like Castellanos had five home runs in three playoff games. Like to your point, you know, Bryce, obviously

when the, the playoffs started as, as hit a ton of home runs, like they can do it. It just does feel like this year it's, it's muted more than in past years. Yeah. I mean, listen, the reality is, is that we're watching an offense is getting older. I mean, they, they are, and he's hope that when the playoff start and when the, the lights are brightest, that they're going to rely on the experience that they've had over the last couple of years and they'll

find their power stroke in some way. But that's why when they continue to say that they're built to slug, I get they're not. I mean, I think they should be better at being gap to gap, which is slug, you know, getting doubles and damn near triples. They are certainly a singles oriented team right now. But yeah, I just, I guess I feel the power thing certainly in the regular season, but my glass half fall is like, I would rather have this and then the occasional homerun in the postseason rather than relying on the homerun. I agree with that. Yeah. But definitely, I mean, and

dude, they're, they're, they're gonna need a bat. I know we talk about, we talk about the bullpen all the time. It's clear. It's evident. I don't think Taiwan's the solution. I think the solution might be, I don't think the solution might be internal. But like getting another real bet, whether it's Reese, which would be fun, of course, or another first baseman. Like Ryan O'Hern is really fascinating, but it's another lefty. I don't think we need another lefty,

but he's having a great year, and the Orals are currently, by the way, talk about it. A disaster? Oh my God. Holy cow. I mean, we were like, I believe we said on this podcast,

we would change places with the Orioles. We sure did. I mean, like all that, well, when they were bringing up, they're gonna kick an ass. They bring up Jackson Holliday and they got like all these guys and like just dude after dude after dude.

And then it's like all falls apart. Yeah, it's crazy. No, you got to develop some. You got to develop pitching. It's important. Chris Tillman still can't be your best pitcher in his last 15 years. And Chris Tillman was about as average as they come. So, yeah, yeah.

So not to make this into an Orioles podcast would would never do it. But like I just, yeah, I actually totally forget what I was gonna say. So you're talking about Ryan O'Hern is an interesting name. Oh, yes, right. They need to move, get a bat to was and and I know Ben Davis brought this up. I think we probably brought this up. It's where like the idea of trading Ranger at the deadline

because you have such a surplus of starting pitchers. If you can trade him for a bat again, I'm not looking to run Ranger out of town. This is all dependent upon health, but people forget, and you can read this in ringthebellbook.com, is heading into the 10 deadline, there was a whole plan to trade Jason Worth and bring up Don Brown. And that's in the middle of the 2010 Phillies who were like also had a World Series. Yeah, they just won the they've been in playoffs. This is gonna be their fourth year in a row the whole thing. Yeah. And then someone got hurt. I think someone got

hurt. And it forced them to keep worth so they didn't make a move and then bring down Brown up and they're going to ride, they're going to go with Don Brown to end the season I believe. That is wild to think about. And then he was, he was ridiculous in 10. He had the 30 plus home runs. Yeah, yeah. Huge postseason that year. So obviously not enough. I'm well aware they lost the Giants. But yeah, so I just, I think maybe that's a way they can get creative at the trade deadline. They're I know,

it's been a disappointment. These these Dave Denbrosty say the least Yes. But I'm excited for this trade deadline. There's a lot of there's a lot of interesting moving parts here. And and how they kind of configure the rest of this roster is going to be fascinating because it's like in the past couple years they were pretty set on what they needed and it's not that this team isn't set but they're they have they finally have some prospects they feel like they can move they have a they could move a starting pitcher if they wanted they could move a starting pitcher to the bullpen now this is not just taiwan talking about someone

else like there's there's there's some, some roster of things that they have to get right here. They're going to be fascinating to watch unfold. Yeah. And to your point, look, it's been horrible at the trade deadline, Nebraska since he's been here. But we do know that in the past in major league baseball, Dave Dabrowski has made some unbelievable trade deadline trades and just trades in general. And on top of that, it's a unique spot for him where if he nails it, this trade deadline, no one will talk about the others. Like he has a

chance to totally change this part of his legacy or in Philly where, you know, I think most people think that he's done a good job here. We talk a lot about the behind the scenes stuff that he's done that matters. And I think the roster obviously has had some hits and misses, but overall has done a nice job. But I think the roster obviously has had some hits and misses, but overall has done a nice job. But I think the biggest knock against Ambrowski on his, you know, in his Phillies tenure

has been the disastrous trade deadline moves that he's had and has not helped the team at all. If he can nail this trade deadline and bring in a, you know, a open arm and a bat that makes a difference, no one will care about the other ones. Like he really can completely and totally change that part of his legacy with just one great trade deadline.

Yep. But at the same time, there are untouchables that I don't want to move. Core five or four, four plus. Yeah. Four and a half. Four and a half. Yeah. So that's again, that's, that's the, that's the, the song and dance that he has to do with the trade deadline. Yeah, you have to make the team better, but he can't give up those four. It's massive. It's a really good luck. You're right. It's an interesting like he, it does feel like it could go in a lot more different ways than in years past. You're totally right. And he has to do stuff. Like he has to. This is not a, oh, you know, he made one move. move like that's not gonna cut it this year like does he take a take a big swing on a Luis robert and try to see

if he bounces back in a different organization i don't know there's just it's it's good stuff it's good stuff come on davy come on davy come on davy uh all right uh uh mick and then and also the taiwan is a quote unquote leverage guy or whatever they're going to do in the pen with him. The whole thing that Mick starting on Tuesday, the Taiwan of the bullpen, the general situation. Yeah. So I think again, I thought the Lizardist art made it obvious they had to do it. Yeah.

And Abel's obviously pitching so well. The old adages that the prospect will let you know when he's ready. He's letting them know he's ready. Also auto camp is letting them know that he's ready to but I don't know if they have anywhere to put him. Ben. Yeah. So maybe they I L Harper right away when he got hurt and brought camp up but whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they could have right put Bowman first give him some shots of third instead of so I mean that would have left field third.

Either way. The point is like that that could have made sense, you know? So yeah, so but yeah, I just I think Saturday made it obvious they need someone that can because Joe Ross is I would trust more leverage spots. And maybe there's kind of putting Taiwan on the Joe Ross spot. And then Joe Ross moving towards the the back of the bullpen and and maybe some more high leverage innings which also is worrisome as well, but

It just is and then But yeah Abel's obviously pitching so well It's I think Abel is actually pitching so well that it could be changing their maybe their plan with him I like they might want to keep him because he's been so good He's been so good. And now obviously, if there's someone out there that makes a lot of sense, I think they'd still move them. But I also think that also increasing his trade, your value to by doing totally,

totally. And, and I do think that I think that he would move to the bullpen probably after the trade deadline, there's no reason to do it. Well, there could be a reason to do it now if it gets to be too, too much of a disaster. I think you only move them. If you are for sure, you're not trading him. If you're like, all right, we want to keep him. We're going to move into the bullpen. He's not getting traded because if you want to trade him,

there's no reason to take him out and keep starting games. You'll keep that value. Yeah, totally. So that's one definitely monitor, but I think he is legitimately pitching so well and that they're like, well, we don't have to trade a 23 year old with, with this kind of stuff for what, what I got a Carlos Estevez type, you know, we don't, if they do that, I would be I'll be furious. Your eyes.

Even even what if it's an elite guy? That's what I was about to say. What if it's a real deal, shut it down, end of the bullpen guy who obviously contracts coming up. You can't, you'll keep, like, we're not talking to somebody who's under control, like Mason Miller, so that's a different discussion.

Like for a guy like Kelsey, he's a free agent at the end of the year, I believe, right? Or is it one more year or something? No, it's free agent at the end of the year. Like what about a guy who, you know, again, or what if it's like a healthy but as another year like where's your line with? this and the type of picture in the table line because Ryan Elsie is the type of guy who we could look back and say oh they won the World Series because they traded for Ryan Elsie like he could make that kind of difference, you know

Yeah, I wouldn't do it Not for a guy with only a year left. I wouldn't trade able for him. Now, Felix Batista, I'd probably I'd probably have to think, think for a long time about it. Obviously wouldn't do it for like Ken Lee Jansen. We're not. I mean, Chapman. Yeah, Chapman feels like a Philly. If I had to bet on one person getting traded Phillies, it's Chapman, like five miles. Yes

He's actually had a good year. It's been good at looky, you know off the field stuff aside like as a pitcher You know, he's held up pretty well. He's been pretty good the last years He still throws 104 or whatever the hell it is Like he's he's got still got a live arm Like he he's a lot better than what they have for the most part and he said he'd be a damn good Alvarado replacement I mean rich in the playoffs. He's done all that stuff, you know, so got a little, he's got a little Kimball in the postseason.

So I don't know the numbers. I just know that he's been in the postseason. Yeah. So, well, so, uh, yeah. So he had obviously was the club's club, the Cubs closer in 16 and Joe Madden like almost ran him in the ground. But I mean, Altuve had the big home run off him with the Yankees. Now that was the game that he ripped his shirt off and went straight and then came out. But there's

the, I mean, the Chapman face when he allows a big home run in the postseason, it's been a thing before. So a little bit of that, you know, he actually, I think he was on the mound in the red series in 11, in 10. In 10, yeah. When he, when the ball got lost in the lights by J. Bruce. Really? I think that was Chapman. But yeah, that was-

Makes sense, yeah, timing-wise. Reading articles about, it was so, the Chapman hype was unbelievable. Like, timing wise, reading articles about it was it was so the the Chapman hype was unbelievable I think this guy throws a hundred and four. I think they didn't kratzy Kratzy had a walk-off home run against him and in 11 or 12 sounds very familiar like that's how I think so It's either kratzy or franson. I think it was kratzy if it was franson. I apologize Kevin. I love you dearly I think it was crazy if it was friends and I apologize Kevin. I love you dearly But one of those Kevin's not tuning in for the deep that 35 minutes I think he showed he showed but um, but yeah, I said Chapman

I wouldn't trade for like a Chapman type of a champ for a Jansen type. I wouldn't trade him for bednar But if you can get and I wouldn't turn for healthy only because healthy has only has a year left now I guess if you wanted to sign to a contract extension, okay, maybe but I think I Don't know if I I Believe this like it's kind of just a thought that I was thinking during this I think I might rather trade Ranger then that you're able Wow, so obviously Ranger coming up you assume they're not gonna sign him.

That's part of the reason you can't bring him. And look, I do think that even though he is an expiring contract to use a basketball tour, whatever, but even though he's only got the rest of your left, I do think you could get a nice return for Ranger. The issue with that is that it's kind of the, teams are usually looking to trade prospects for a player or whatever it is. You're in a situation where a team trading for Ranger in this situation would be a team that is competing.

So you're kind of you'd have to find a team that with an extra bullpen guy that they can get rid of or whatever. So it's a little bit harder to match up a range of training. But I do think that, you know, for a contending team, it needs a starter. I mean, what a what a move we go get Ranger like that'd be an awesome move from another. Yeah. Yeah, and I mean even Fioros are probably out of it, but if you want put I mean Ranger on that team would make a difference Yeah, nice a nice boost. They have not probably they will be out of it. But yeah Yes, yes, and they wouldn't want to trade if you look spotty is the frame So I don't know. It's just it's gonna be it's gonna be fascinating

But the idea of trading Ranger if you if everything if is the frame. So I don't know, it's just, uh, it's going to be, it's going to be fascinating, but the idea of trading ranger, if you, if everything, if everyone's healthy painter comes up and looks good, Abel comes in the, in the rotation and, and shoves great. And, and they just might have a surplus and they might be able to make the team better. So, but again, it's, it's, there's a lot of factors that have to go into that, but it's, it's exciting and Ab exciting. And Abel, you're not going to face the Pirates every single time out, so I'll be curious how tomorrow's going to be. Toronto is a better lineup than, you know, they're not a great team, but they're a significantly better team than the Pirates.

It'll be interesting to see that. And he's going to have to, I thought last time he was really predictable with his, with his stuff. Like you felt you could feel first pitch fastball coming and then guys started sitting on it and, and that's when he started getting hit or hit around just a bit, he's going to have to, he's going to have to not be as predictable, uh, as he goes through some of these major league lineups. Yeah.

Yeah. We'll see. I mean, look, if he was, if he was predictable and, and still had that outing, that's a good sign. Uh, all right. right, anything else from the weekend before we get to take bag and writing and all that good stuff Mmm, oh Well, no, I don't oh, it's not Johnson real quick. I'm sure he'll be in the take bag But I oh, yeah, I give you a moment about Seth. He getting called up. Yeah, it's big stuff. It's big stuff So Seth Johnson, he has been up to 99 recently.

I think he has 100 in the tank. I think he's approaching 100, which is exciting. The command isn't fantastic with that, but when you throw that hard, it certainly helps. It's different than when you're starting and you just air it out for an inning? He his slider last year I remember that Marlin start was unusable. I think they made some adjustments with that pitch to make it more of a weapon and then I think he added like a kick change up. I'm all in on the kick change up. I think it's it's it's such a weird pitch. I think

it's just like a you just knuckle it so you put your knuckle on it and it's like, you know, it's almost your knuckle knuckle curveball but I think it's your middle finger you put on it and it basically just moves like a splitter but The kick change-up is gonna be the next sweeper. It feels like everyone's really kick change-up in the next in the next Why is it called a couple years change up? What's the the next. Why is it called a change up? What's the kick all about? I think it's because you do it. Yeah.

If you would think legs, somebody would live and it's not it's a, you know, it's a good change. It's a change. You think it's like a knuckle change would make sense. I know. Yeah. I have no idea. I don't know.

I don't know who decided what to call anything. Like who decided it was a sweeper? Why? It's just a slurp. I mean, that's all it is It's just a slur. So But yeah, I I I was I was glad I understood why we ran up his yesterday because Romano Hadn't really worked in a couple days, but I was all in on wanting to see what reliever Seth Johnson looked like So that was disappointing, but maybe this weekend in Toronto.

Let's go this week. Yeah. This week in Toronto. This week. This week. We're already coming to the weekend. Well, you know, I was actually thinking in the middle of that of all the pitchers

that I've been excited about that have gone up there and gotten shelled. I wish we could put a list together. I mean, just the names. It'd be a real who's who. Yeah. Well, Eflin's, Eflin's day is majorly debut in Toronto and got shelled. And then I just

remember Pavetta on my wedding day in Toronto. Oh, yeah, shelled. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's hard not to be romantic about baseball when Nick Pavetta on the biggest day of your life. At that point. Got shelled up in Toronto. That's right. Yeah, well, good stuff. Yeah, you know, could have been a sign, you know, not about the wedding about Nick. I was good to take back. All right, um, so not much. One thing that I've seen, one thing that I've seen that everyone who hates the Phillies can't wait to point out

is their record against. Oh, but honestly, I should have. It's a bad job. I mean, we should have talked about this before. Take back. It's just because obviously I'm not putting that much stock in it. I didn't bring it up. But I do.

I do think that, you know, if people are going to criticize the Phillies, I think it is fair to bring that up. I don't think it is. It is a sign of something something a disaster with the team, but I do think that it is a fair criticism to bring up when you look at how great they've been against the bad teams and mediocre against good teams. So I don't think it's that fair. And here is my spin. Love it. The week if we all agree that they've played better baseball after the Mets sweep, right? We can all agree on that. Yeah, on that 100% yeah okay so they got they lost three there at least until they had weekend yes yes and then they had the they had the Cardinals

series before that which for some reason the Cardinals just give this team a problem this year i don't know why but whatever they are they are technically over 500 so you had those two series before that i guess we can pretend that that the Braves and Diamondbacks stink, right? You know, because they're not technically over 500. I like that. That's a good way to look at it. So I guess we're gonna do this thing where where no one's afraid of the Braves and and the Diamondbacks doesn't they don't worry anyone. So they took two or three from them. They took two or three from the Guardians. The Rays everyone pretends that they stink too. I think they might be back over 500 but when they play them there might be just under but they're close. So they swept them but that doesn't count because because the 500 thing they were eight and five heading

into this. This is really good. Well it's just annoying like they've they've played good against good teams this year. They haven't just beaten up on tomato cans. They were eight and five against teams that were 500 since the Mets series heading into this weekend. And they had a bad weekend against against a pretty good Brewers team that was under 500. You know, last week, so that would have been playing bad against a team under 500. I think you're right. Yeah, that's funny. I think you're right. Yeah, that's funny. I think it's mostly I think it's I think it's nonsense I really do it's it's something that the people can't wait to bring up because the detractors can't wait to say I told you So and they ran it back insane team blah blah blah blah blah

But I think they they've had really good series wins over over good teams. They went on a stretch there of playing garbage totally pirates and oh they took a series in Wrigley They went to three and Wrigley and two or three and clean. Can we stop? Can we stop? Gosh, just take a chill pill. That was good. Thank you. I'm with you. Look, I don't baseball is baseball. Yeah, you're just you're gonna face some bad teams. The match play the Rockies this weekend.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's also by the way, 950. Wow. Like Scottie Scheffler more wow. In the last month. I think it's the same number. I think the same number three wins. Yeah. But look, how many times have we heard people what you know, we've the Marlins thing for years, you know, that where people like, oh, they can't handle business against the bad teams, good teams go out and beat the teams they're supposed to. But then like, you beat the teams you're supposed to.

That's how they can only be bad. It's it feels like one of those, you know, they're going to spin in however they go. Yeah, whatever it takes, it is to try to act like smart. It's so it's the it's the fakest smart thing to do is bring up their record under 500. And I just I think in all of all sports, I mean basketball kind of now because so many players don't play. So it doesn't like you don't really know what a game means in the regular season. If you beat a team, did we beat a good team if their two best players didn't play and all that type of stuff. But I think other than that situation, I think there is no like more like in regular season of sports. I don't think there is any other sport where who you beat is not necessarily dependent on the team you're playing

each day. Like all you need is a good starting pitcher. There you go. You can lose a baseball game. You know, it's, it's so all you need is your guys to just not be locked in by 5% one day. And that you know, it's just and it's every day. So I just I don't put much into it at all. Well, and they didn't have Bryce this weekend. Like I said, yeah, that's another good point. Yeah, they didn't have Bryce, you know, so whatever. But oh, so our good friend, John Marin, I want to make sure we brought this up. He wants me to correct. Yes. Shout out to John. He said to me, very intense three separate times.

He was like, I need you to make sure this happens. And it turns out you did need me to because Jack took care of himself. So we're good, John. And I and I actually agree with John on his point where this is going. He is correct about this. Like it was underplayed. Go ahead. I actually don't think he's correct, but, but very, he's very intense about it.

First thing he said, I don't, he didn't even say hi. I don't think, I think he said to me, yeah. When, when something happened, it's never happened in baseball before. It can't be. And not in the top 10 of moments. So he was upset. So when we talked about the. Yes.

Yes. Yeah. So we talked about JT and the inside the park home run and how it, it, it didn't feel like a top 10 moment of that run. Uh, John very upset that that was the first time a catcher had ever done that in the history of the bow season. And we just downplayed it. Like it was nothing, like it was nothing.

So, uh, our apologies. We will continue to try to be better. I said it was super fun in the moment. I was trying to hype it up. It was fun. Shot it down very quickly. So you know, it was a really are we in the business? Are we in the business of fun? Are we in the business of winning? You know what I mean? So when you know,

I know, well, it's order. I mean, they want that game. That's very is like, you know, come on. But the Marshall run was a bigger deal anyway. But yes, yes. So Reading was great, though. Reading was a lot of fun. I'm sorry that it rained and Seltzer left early and he bounced his first pitch. So, yeah. So here, let's just talk about it. I have like a zillion excuses lined up. First and

foremost, you like whipped it at this sweet, a kid catching for us, you whip it at him. It goes like right under his legs. He's got this look of fear on his face, but no excuses. I got tentative. I saw the kid and I just, for some reason, I just like went super soft. Here's what I will say though. I will say for being real about it, if there were a runner on third base, your pitch, the run scores. My pitch, the run doesn't score. So only one of our pitches was a wild pitch technically or you know, pass ball wild pitch we'll say. But I'm just saying. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why I decided to throw it that hard. I couldn't believe it. And he had fear in his eyes. And I got

there like, Oh, God, this kid, he looks terrible. Yeah, I don't know why. I think it was because I think it's because we may just talked to Aidan. I was all amped up. I was on the mound. I was on a baseball field again. So I had some of the the juices were flowing. Yeah, I mean, in my head that that moved like a Derek Lowe sinker. I mean, it was I know you're all night talking about dude, that's some cut on it, man. That was some sink. That was some serious sink with

it. Yeah, the kid's gonna be singing his nightmares. His life flash before his eyes. Yeah, I know. I felt bad. I felt bad. I know. Yeah. So they didn't know what they were dealing with. They didn't know that this could have they were they didn't listen to the podcast where I discussed that maybe today's the day after 92. Not just the podcast.

You said it to Aidan. But yeah, no big deal. See, eight on the field for Jack's like, could be the day I get a contract. Could be the day of be your teammate soon. I'll be your teammate. No, like, dude, that guy, he is what a dude, man. He I can't believe he's 20. I know he your teammate soon. You got a day though. Like dude, that guy, he is, what a dude, man. I can't believe he's 20. I know he's going to turn 21 in a few days.

I think it's this week or next week. But he does not act like a 20 year old. He does not seem like a 20 year old. He is so mature and so buttoned up. Just even talking to him, like he is confident, cool. Like I'm just, and honestly, but also a way better defensive player than I thought at short.

Like he made a couple of plays where he was picking it. I was like, damn dude, ripped a double in his first bat, like a hard hit ball. That was huge. So impressive. Like he just, he looks, he looks the part. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

So, and, and you, you, you ducked out. Let me address that that I'm still married All right, let's just say that way Jack had his like his entire family there So it's like in-laws and his parents could drive Jill in the kids home. So Jack could stay his car I did not have that option I had a wife and a kid who we were an hour and a half away from Philly and they were like I'm Freezing cold. It's wet. I need you to leave this game. So, mistake.

Yeah, I brought the Calvary. I brought, it was good. You're the whole crew, it was great. Well, my mom was like, all of a sudden, my mom heard I was throwing out the first pitch or whatever and she's like, oh, I get to relive my glory days of watching you play. That's great.

Yeah, so again, I think she thought I was playing. And Bill's parents are like the nicest, Steve, like the nicest guy. They're just such nice people, like nice humans, you know? Yes. Yes. Yes. Um, yeah. So yeah, so I had everyone there, but after the game, so like it's now people did leave early. Don't blame you at all. The sickos that stayed around, the sickos that stayed around. It was so no joke. It said it was not gonna rain. We were like, oh, it's just gonna be a little chilly, but it's not gonna rain. It rained the entire game start to finish. There was

like a three minute window, I feel like where it stopped drizzling for a sec. It was it was like the grossest day you could be out to watch a baseball game. Yeah. And it was like as close as you get to get ringed out, but they played. Yeah. So the people stayed around, appreciate you. And then we, so we went down behind a dugout and like Aiden came still in the field, but was, and like, we're going to take a group photo or whatever. And then he's like, he made the mistake of, can I just go into the stands?

And all of a sudden all the kids came running down and he unfortunately had to like turn some away, but whatever. So he's walking through and he gets over to our group and we try to take a photo amongst all these people, but just a great dude. I mean an absolutely great dude. Impossible not to root for. And I

couldn't be more impressed. He's a great, great, great dude. So, shout out to Aidan. For those who stayed around, they got the photo with him. Next time, when we go to Lehigh Valley, the third time time to charm. We're We've got we know how to do this, right? Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna get it right We're gonna get it right on the the Aiden Miller road to the show the road to the show by the way last 16 games OPS over like 900 hitting over 300 So the kid the kids figuring out double a a little bit So I should view on that one because I know double a box scores and stuff that stuff's out there

Like you can get every box or for every game Pretty sure you can't just get the 16 games that super easy Are you are you like compiling that or did someone tweet that out or something? Oh, no I mean it's all in baseball rough. You can do it on reference still you can get the little okay I was like don't you work there and count it up and doing some I can't do that math. I can't do that That's way above what I mean capable of so So yeah So now that's all baseball reference

But it was a great night and when we eventually do that a Lehigh bet or I was already thinking about this Like I would love to go back to reading frankly because I think it's such a fun ballpark when when if Aiden's still there and if they bring a rune up Oh Ty they bring Ty eat and nobody Yeah, we get some of the Threshers up there. Whoo Come on. Come on get the I'm excited for some Threshers ball. Thank well, it'll be good They will maybe have to make a return trip later this summer when it's not cold and rainy.

Dude, I'm in. We had the best time again to all the people who came out, especially braving, braving, maybe a strong word, but dealing with that night the way it was, it was cold, it was rainy. It meant, it means the world to us, so we can't tell you. Jack and I, again, like we started this podcast when this team

stunk and we're winning 60 something games and just buddies who want to talk baseball. So the fact that so many people actually show up to anything is we're still humbled by it. So it's thank you to everyone who came and if you missed out, it is a blast minus the rain. The next time there won't be rain, it'll be awesome. All right, you got anything else in the take back? minus the rain the next time there won't be rain it'll be awesome. Um, all right. You got anything else in the take back? Nope. Let me quickly shout out the Miller light account of the week.

The Miller light bar of the week Kensington pub. Shout out to the Kensington pub. Been there a few times in Kensington where you can watch Philly's games with the $3 Miller light pint special. It's a great deal. Go to Kensington pub.com. All right. Fritzy Toronto, we get a little bounce back here. You think we get to a three

Yeah, playing some good play some decent baseball up there So I mean it was there. It was the site of the comeback of the year last year That was the game of the year last year really was that game was awesome. You know three homers, right? Yeah Yeah, I I don't know what to expect from Abel. I can't wait for him, but it's also, I'm sure if teams watch this pirate start and have maybe a better idea, or maybe he's just awesome. And I hope he's just awesome. So, I don't know, obviously always two or three, but definitely, I'm still nervous about this team on the road. So I won't get too ahead of myself. Yeah. And look, the Abel thing, like like it's pretty exciting the the potential that's there

You know if he goes out and deals again, and it's like wow We got something here, you know pretty cool. I know I know so I can't wait for tomorrow night season restarts You flush this weekend. It looks like they couldn't wait to get out of We gotta get to Toronto You can say that again, dude. Yeah. They didn't hold like, we're home. Yay. They was like, get us out of here. We got to get to Toronto. We got to get to Toronto. We need to go to another country. All right.

Yeah. Yep. Yep. So I'm looking forward to it. All right, two or three, hopefully. We'll be back after the series. And again, thank you to everyone who came out to writing. It really was.

It meant a lot to us, and it was a really cool experience. So thank you to the writing fills for all they did, Nick, Tanya, everyone over there, just Jake Starr letting us on the broadcast, the true pride of Russ in high school. We really, exactly right. Yeah. Right. You know, we appreciate everyone. It was a really, really neat experience and we'll definitely do it again.

All right. Until then, he's for some shelter.