High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - Final Out: Phillies Bullpen Implodes In Series Loss To The Reds

Episode Date: April 25, 2024

Jack Fritz reacts to another frustrating performance as the Phillies lost a series to the Cincinnati Reds. Presented by Miller Lite. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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maintenance programs, and waste coolant disposal. Krevitz.online. 215-592-9494. There's a lot to react to. Get in now. I mean, we can start with last night. We can start with what happened tonight. We can start with some bad baseball.

We'll get to Spencer Turnbull, but here's my biggest takeaway of the game, which is brought to you by Morgan America's largest injury law firm. That was Rob Thompson's worst two days of the year. Last night really is where I think this whole thing started. Last night, you have Andrew Abbott on the mound, who is not some overpowering lefty. He's more crafty, but a guy that Bryson Stott and Brandon Marsh should be able to handle. Sits them last night, knowing that Nick Lodolo is ready to go tonight. Nick Lodolo is essentially

unhittable against lefties. So, oh, by the way, you want to throw Stubbs in there? Throw Stubbs in there. Throw Stubbs in there. He could have played last night rather than tonight, so you have JT in the lineup tonight instead of just having, essentially, no offense against Stubbs, I mean, he actually hits the balls hard tonight, but instead of an automatic

out batting ninth against a lefty that is just disgusting. And I think lefties heading into this game at a 450 OPS against them. So this nonsense started last night. It's like they decided when Bryce was out, it's like, eh, whatever. These next two games don't matter. And sure, in the long run, is April 23rd and April 24th going to end up mattering in the grand scheme of things of the season? No. But last night was nonsense given what tonight was going to be, which was going to be more of a tough task against Nick Lodolo. Now, I know Nick Lodolo didn't have his best thoughts tonight. He scored three runs against him. That's good. That's fine. Okay? But that

doesn't mean that the process to get to it was the right process to get to it. And I'm a Rob Thompson fan. I'm not writing off Rob Thompson. But what bothers me, like, I have excused away some of the Rob Thompson stuff in the past because I thought it made baseball sense. This, to me, last night and tonight, just did not make baseball sense. Nick Castellanos batting fourth? Like, what are we doing? He's batting 177 heading into tonight. I appreciate wanting to reward the guy,

and we'll get to some, not reward, that's the wrong term, wanting to stick with the guy. We'll get to some annoying quotes later. But the lineup decisions the last two nights were incredibly annoying. Spencer Turnbull, who it seems like it's going to be his last run through the rotation, 89 pitches? You can't just let him go lay it on a line tonight? You let him go

five innings when you're probably moving into a bullpen role anyway? Why not just let him air it out? Who are we going to that much better out of the bullpen? 89 pitches for Turnbull. Again, if you're going to move him to the bullpen,

just let him air it out anyway, if it's his last start. Marsh not hitting for Pache with runners on first and third and Lucas Sims on the mound. Instead, he leaves Christian Pache in to face him. Pache strikes out. I know that Johan Rojas, the next batter, was able to get a hit and kind of bailed out the decision. But once again, the process to get the decision doesn't make that much sense, especially because Marsh hit later. The whole idea of sitting Marsh or sitting Stott against these

tough lefties is that you better use them when the time is right. And you better use them when there's an advantage for you. Runners on first and third with, I believe, no one out at that point is a time when you go to Brandon Marsh. And yes, Rojas bailed you out. Congratulations. He very easily could have not bailed you out. But regardless, that's a mistake. Sir Anthony, they got to find some kind of Phantom IL stint, maybe even send him to AAA and hope he can get on an Alvarado run like Alvarado had a couple years ago. Because Alvarado went down to AAA, kind of found his stuff, and was back and has been one of the best relievers in baseball since then.

I mean, there's times tonight where Sir Anthony was sitting 94. 94 is not acceptable. Clearly has no feel for his slider. Like, he is working through some things. And I don't blame Thompson for going to him in that situation. Like, it's the sixth inning. You've got to put someone out there. Sir Anthony has been someone you've trusted in the past.

You have to kind of get him going. But this is what has sunk the Phillies in the last two postseasons. I appreciate sticking with guys. And I think the loyalty has been rewarded and the guys play for Rob Thompson. But not to make, again, April 24th about the World Series in 2022 or last year, but he stuck with Castellanos a long time in 2022, and he stuck with Boehm in the four-hole a lot last year in the postseason. I know he had the home run in Game 7, but regardless. So he is a loyal guy. He wants to get these guys right. In the long run, you hope it bears out, but in the

short term, it is maddening, maddening to deal with when you have a guy like Sir Anthony who clearly, clearly has no feel for his slider. Tyler Stevenson was just waiting to pounce on the baseball and shout out to Johan Rojas for even making that a a a close play in center field I mean that was incredibly impressive but he had no feel like like he just didn't have it and if Sir Anthony why I appreciate trying to get him going if he doesn't have it you got to get him out earlier I know Strom didn't come in and exactly shove but I trust Strom and kind of the stones that he has at this current moment over Sir Anthony Dominguez.

I'll take stones. I'll take grit on the mound versus a guy who is working through things. Like, Sir Anthony looks closer to Brogdon right now than he does one of the best options out of the bullpen. So that was frustrating. I'll give him a pass, I guess, for no JT in the eighth versus Suter

because you want to get JT a full day off. I'll give him a pass there. My JT issue is, like, play Stubbs last night against a more soft-tossing lefty so that JT can go tonight. If you're already taking Turnbull out of the rotation, why does it matter if Stubbs and him are aligned? And Turnbull threw six and a third of no-hit baseball with JT behind the dish in his last start. So that made no sense to me. I thought it's been Rob Thompson's

two worst games of the year. The second big takeaway for me tonight is just continued bad baseball. They had cleaned this crap up, but these last two nights it's creeping back in. Is it Bryce not being there? Is that, I mean, that could be a part of this. I mean, I know Bryce has his moments of blunders on the base paths and,

and stuff like that, but I mean, just not looking locked in Turner. They tried the first and third play that they tried against the White Sox on Sunday. He breaks way too early and completely defeats the play. Like, worst case scenario there, you should have had runners on second and third and two outs.

In a perfect world, you steal a run there. But regardless, that doesn't happen. Boehm, for some reason, is trying to stretch a single into a double early in the game. He gets picked off first base. Johan Rojas, who I rarely criticize for his defense, he took a poor route on the Eli De La Cruz ground rule double that cost an extra run for the Phils. And Sosa strikes out with less than two outs,

runner on third base with a chance to drive a run in. Meanwhile, the Reds all night long were able to get sack flies home and get runners home. So it was a good evidence tonight of good baseball by the Reds and bad baseball by the Phils. So on top of Rob Thompson having two tough nights, they also played just piss poor baseball all night long. And the final thing, to round this out on a positive note, because I can't always be too negative. I just cannot believe they're taking Spencer Turnbull out of the rotation. Why are you taking Spencer Turnbull out of the rotation for Tyjuan Walker? I know they're concerned about his innings, but can he prove to

me that he breaks down? Can he prove that to me before I take a guy that is pitching to a 1-3 for the beginning of the season out of the five spot, out of my rotation for Tyjuan Walker, whose arm just might be done? It just doesn't make sense. There are three guys, be done. It just doesn't make sense. There are three guys. There's three guys right now that might just be done. Might not have it anymore. Castellanos, Tyjuan, and Sir Anthony. Sir Anthony, I still believe in because we've seen 99 this year, but I think he needs some kind of IL stint, maybe even a send down. They have to get some other pitch working besides that fastball because it's just not good enough right now, and he's just not reliable.

We'll get to more with Cassianos, but time will... Like, I just... I don't know how you... And maybe they won't. Maybe I'm jumping the gun here. But I don't know how you take a guy who is pitching the way Spencer Turnbull is, that is showing the emotion on the mound that he was tonight.

The guy wants it. The guy wants it. The guy wants it. He's slamming gloves after allowing a one-iron run. I mean, pitching with a ton of emotion. Frustrating night all around, on top of a frustrating night last night, on top of Tywin Walker possibly reentering into our lives. Dave kicks us off tonight in Maryland.

What's happening, Dave? Last night, you know, questioned the lineup at 3 o'clock today. I'm a high school athletic director, and they popped up on my phone, and all of a sudden I'm just pissed off, like, looking at the lineup. And I'm, like, getting ready to watch my game at my school today. I'm like, well, my coach is putting in his best lineup today. I feel like Rob Thompson's managed the last two games like a high school coach that's getting parent complaints about their kid not playing

and just folding to pressure. It's crazy what is going on and then like with with Sosa up with in that in that instance late and when he struck out like what is Bryson's like I just don't understand how Bryson Scott has become almost like not usable against left-handed pitching again. Like, I just don't get it. Yeah, I mean, Sosa's had a – actually, I mean, the numbers-wise has had a good start to the year. I just – the last two nights, you actually described it perfect.

It's like, why are – I appreciate getting guys at-bats, and, like, they're going to get Merrifield some at bats. At least he came through a couple times tonight, which was good. But it was a lot of giveaway at bats tonight. Why are we doing that in back-to-back games, Dave? Abbott's a lefty that left-handers should be able to handle. Lodolo, I get. If you want to have platoon advantages against Lodolo, sure.

But even the Marsh thing, runners on first and third, you have Sims in the game. That's where you go to Marsh. That's where you go to Marsh. That's obvious. It's crazy. And then the guys he's showing faith in, like, Castellanos, like, give the guy a day off.

Give the guy a night off. What does Marsh set? Has Marsh set, what, seven games so far? Yeah. I mean, Castellanos hasn't set once. I mean, if he doesn't sit tomorrow, I just don't think he's ever going to sit. And I just don't get, like, and then, you know, the whole tie, I just feel like that he's managing the team right now to try to keep people happy. And this is going

to be the reason why the Braves win the division again, because you give away games in April when the Braves are sweeping the Marlins and doing, you know, winning every night.. It just, that's exactly what happened the last two years. It's just become an insurmountable leap because we're giving away games. But at the same time, I mean, they have got them in the postseason. So, I mean, maybe the rest of the players will help. How long can that, I mean, hopefully that can last. And, you know, if that's the mantra of the team, like we're going to, you know, get the wild card and we're going to beat them then, that's fine.

It's just frustrating to watch guys like me and you that watch 162 games. It's just frustrating. I just want them to be dominant, and they just refuse to be. Yeah, I appreciate the call as always, Dave. Really good stuff as always. And I feel ya. Tonight was a night, tonight was a game that they should have won.

They had some missed opportunities, but the way Spence and Turnbull was pitching, again, and let's get to the pitch count, which is sponsored by Plumbers Union 690, protecting the health of the nation. Visit Plumbers690.org. He threw 89 pitches and just looked dominant.

Again, he keeps passing the eye test. And tonight felt like a win. And then the second I saw Sir Anthony, I was like, nope. Tonight is not the night. 2-1-5, 5-9-2, 94-94 if you want to get in and react to an annoying loss tonight out in Cincinnati. But in addition to your phone calls, on the other side, an annoying pregame quote from Rob Thompson. And as we continue to work in some bright spots, a really, really bright spot in this Phil's lineup.

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It's the final out sponsored by Regency Furniture. Affordable never looks so good. Jack Fritz hanging out with you on this Wednesday night reacting to, in my opinion, the most annoying loss of the season. Sure, game one against the Braves was annoying, but two different animals here in the Braves and the Reds. And I know they lost, but I'm going to give my player of the game to Alec Bohn, which is sponsored by South Jersey Gas.

Committed to providing safe, reliable, affordable natural gas. Make the switch at southjerseygas.com slash lovemyhome. Just smoking the baseball, going opposite field, and being really gap to gap. And finally, like he's been, again, Boehm is such a conundrum. He's been a conundrum for me for the last couple years because you see flashes of it. He's the number three overall pick in the draft.

He's got a plus hit tool, but you keep waiting for that power to come, and you keep waiting for him to grow into that 6'5 frame, and you keep waiting for, okay, when's this? I know people think Alec Boehm's young. He's 27. he's he's entering into his prime years and you know he has these stretches like he's in right now and i hope this one is sustainable and he can just ride it out and and be the prophet like i thought he was of

being like the nle's killer that always felt like he's gonna get that back-breaking hit and really I still think he can bat fourth like I like JT a lot I just wish JT was batting fifth or sixth I would love Boehm to take that fourth spot and run with it but you know he would have these moments where he would have it and he would be driving the baseball and he'd gap to gap and he'd hit some home runs and and then he'd go right back to hitting the baseball into the ground and rolling over on it and just not doing any damage and it was so frustrating because like dude you're huge drive the baseball like you're you're strong go do it i know it's simplifying hitting a little bit but it's a it was very similar to

what franco would do like michael franco would get scorching hot for like four weeks and you're like bang there it is uh michael franco's arrived and then he'd go back to being michael franco but what out boom's doing right now four for four tonight i believe he's like a 325, 4-something OBP guy and a high 5 slugging percentage. That's high-level stuff. And I just, I really hope that he is growing into this thing and can be another kind of force in that lineup. Because at the beginning of the season, even like before the White Sox series, you look at the lineup and it felt like they were a bat short. Schwarber does his Schwarber thing, has good games, has bad games.

Everyone reacts to every little thing he does at the plate. When it all bears out, he's going to be around 200 with hopefully 40 home runs and 100 RBI. That's what it's going to be. He's going to be around 200 with hopefully 40 home runs and 100 rbi like that's what it's going to be and he's going to walk a lot turner really good start to the season looks like the player they paid for had a couple more hits tonight awesome to see and then there's harper who was cold for a little bit but you never really worry about harper and he could just obviously before he went on paternity leave he was starting to heat right back up and up. And he was going to be like a 280 in early May. You could just kind of tell that round was coming. But after him, they felt a little light.

They felt a little light. You know, JT, a little light for a cleanup hitter. Alec Baum, hitting but not hitting for power. Stott, slow start. Castellanos, Rojas. Marsh is a really good bright spot, and that was good. And I can't believe we're back to having to watch him sit back-to-back nights for essentially no reason. But good signs with Alec Boehm, and I guess the one negative,

and I didn't add this into the bad baseball portion. But back-to-back nights of just poor stretches at first base. Like, first base, going for the baseball, very timing-oriented. Like, last night, Turner makes a great play. If Alec Boehm is a more seasoned first baseman and stretches properly, that's an out, and that takes a runner off the base. Instead, that guy scores. Tonight, stretches poorly. Martini gets on first base. They pinch run for him.

That guy ends up coming all the way around to score. Like, that's... I guess he's an inexperienced first baseman. And when Bryce gets there, which is so funny, again, that now we're resigned to, when Bryce gets there, everything will be fine at first base. But it is what it is. He's been good over there.

And Boehm, while great at the dish tonight, was not great in the field. We'll get to some concerning pregame quotes in just one second. But first, we got late night black. Grady, what's happening, BG? What's up, Nolo?

You're saying all the right things. You know baseball so much. I just want to ask a question. Why can't Topper, like, experiment in the beginning of the season? I know he likes to stick with his guys. Is Marsh not one of his guys? Why can't you stick with Marsh? And I don't care about lefties. I don't care about rights.

Like, the guy's just been hot. He's in a groove. And sitting him and making the moves he makes, just, I can't help but think about the postseason. I want to enjoy baseball. You know what I mean? I want to complain and grump game to game, but in the back of my mind, I'm like, this dude, the old dog

won't learn a new trick, and he won't change Nolo. What am I supposed to do? Because I don't want to complain about the manager every other day. I don't want to. What am I supposed to do? Well, you have to hope those guys start heating up and he looks like a genius for sticking with them. It's about where we're at.

It's incredibly frustrating. But, I mean, on one hand, I do think it's part of the success that he's had and gotten out of these guys is that they play for him and they play hard for him. It's just that he goes down with ships, man. It's like the Titanic. And we know they're going to heat up. You know, we always talk about with ships, man. It's like the Titanic. And we know

they're going to heat up. You know, we always talk about the weather, but it is something about the weather. You know how it is. Shore-bound season is coming. I know it's coming. I believe in it. It's bore fruit three years in a row, so I know when it's going to happen. I know how it's going to happen. So I get that part of it, but the fact that he just sticks with his

guns and won't make a change, like, Cassie Adams needs something. I don't know if he needs a hug. I don't know if he make a change. Like, Castellanos needs something. I don't know if he needs a hug. I don't know if he needs a spa. I don't know what he needs. But he needs to not be out there on that field. Like, do something. But he won't do it, and it's just enraging.

And, you know, it is what it is. I love you, brother. Keep telling the good word, and maybe one day somebody will listen to it and make some changes. I told you, have a good night. All right. There he goes, Black Ready. Well, speaking of Castellanos and sticking to your guns,

this was pregame, and Matt Gelb wrote this earlier today on The Athletic. He wrote, the Phillies will not sit Castellanos like they did Rojas. If you don't know what that means, I mean, early in the season, they sat Rojas to clear his head for like two days. And, I mean, coincidentally, he's been hitting close to like 400 since then had another hit tonight had he actually bailed out thompson by getting a hit instead of when he should have gone to pache or when he should have got a march over pache but regardless uh rob thompson said last night you know just keep going he'll find it in in reference Castellanos. Castellanos wants to play all 162 games.

The team is willing to defer to the right fielder within reason because it knows not to disrupt certain ideas that enter Castellanos' head. The Phillies have not reached an uncomfortable territory with Castellanos. It would take weeks. It would take weeks more of no production to prompt those discussions reads to me like they're afraid of castellanos and i mean he was horrible in 2022 he had flashes in 2023 i know he made the all-star team but he's also super up and down i watched don brown be an all-star in 2013 didn't matter and then we've seen him get off to an atrocious start to the season.

One extra base hit. One. One. He's played every game. It's April 24th. Like, you can't keep Cato. Like, we're not talking about Derek Jeter here. We're not talking about some all-time Philly great that has some kind of streak going on.

We can't sit Castellanos because he wants to play 162 games. How about you earn it? How about you earn 162? That's what's frustrating to me. I'm sure he's trying. I'm not questioning his effort. But 0 for 5 tonight? More feebleness at the dish?

And what's annoying is that athletes are taught things are earned, not given. And right now, it seems like at two positions, right field and a starter spot in the rotation, they're just given to them. Just given to them. Right field is given to Cassianos. Do you think that Brandon Marsh probably wants to play 162? Yeah, I bet Brandon Marsh wants to play 162 too. But he can't.

He's not allowed to. Why? So all it takes to play is, hey, I want to play 162. What are you talking about here? It's ridiculous. Tom Walker doesn't deserve to be in the rotation, but he's going to be in the rotation because he paid him $18 million. And then if it goes south, it goes south.

But it's got to be a little bit annoying. Maybe even the clubhouse. The whole earn, not given thing and it's just like well cassianos wants to play 162 and we'll let him hit his way out of it well he didn't for a whole year and people will do back of the baseball card and i get it and i appreciate it but like i also railed against the whole bill parcells you are your record says you are thing for the entire eagle season like i appreciate the turn back of the baseball card. We said that all 2022 for Castellanos and it never worked out. It never worked out.

He was, he was bad all year long. He was pretty good in 2023. I know when you look at the numbers at the end, it was really good. All-star whatever. And this year, just a brutal start but it would take weeks more of no production to

prompt discussions of possibly sitting up nick castellanos batting 170 something with one extra base hit drives me nuts 215 592 94 94 it's the final out jack for a second out with you here on this wednesday night On the other side, the play of the game. A look ahead to tomorrow in the finale of the series and the play of the rest of your phone calls. Here on the final out on

Sports Radio 94 WIP. Welcome back. It is the final out sponsored by Regency Furniture. Affordable never looked so good. That's the play of the game sponsored by Mike's Amazing, the official mayo and mustard of the Phillies. And, yeah, I mean, that falls in. A bit of a bleeder.

There's a couple of bleeders in that inning that fell in. And it didn't go the Phillies' way. You know, you had those two. You had the play over Rojas' head. You had the play where Rojas dives, and he just couldn't come up with it. Meanwhile, that little thing, I don't know. It was just a frustrating night. Like, on top of some line of decisions that were annoying, some pitching decisions that were annoying, some bad baseball, bad defense, bad base running, bad situational awareness. Reds took advantage of it. But they also got some bleeders that

fell in. I guess that's baseball, but it's just frustrating coming out on the losing end, especially because you can feel it. Like, I don't know. You can just kind of feel when they're going to lose a baseball game. And tonight was certainly one of them. We'll look ahead to tomorrow before handing things off to

TK here in one second. But John's in Hazleton. What's happening, John? You know, how you doing now? I conceded a clueless rob. It's starting to wear thin on other people, too, with this decision-making. And my question for you is you know the organization good. Whose decision do you think that is with Castellanos,

that they're not going to sit him for a week if he keeps playing like it'll take weeks of this kind of production? Who's making that decision? Is that clueless, Rob? Or is he being told when he's allowed to sit him down? Well, I think he's someone that is a player's manager. He's trying to abide by the player and trust him that he'll work his way out of it.

So I think that's an organization, and I do think that's Rob Thompson's call. It shouldn't be their call. I mean, Marks has already been out seven games. This guy's batting 170-something with one extra base hit, and he gets to play every day. And the Tywon Walker thing, real quick before you cut me, he won't be in rotation long because I believe he's cooked. After four or five starts of him getting smashed,

I think Spencer Turnbull will be back in the rotation where he belongs. Yeah, I appreciate it, John. First off, I agree with you. I hope it's obviously not the case. I don't need them to have a cooked pitcher go out there and get shelled, but that's just

how I feel at the moment. My fear with that is, okay, what if Spencer Turnbull gets out of the rhythm that he's in right now? You are taking a risk by taking a guy who's pitching to a 1-3 out of the rotation. I mean, it's as simple as that. You are taking a risk. And sure, you can go back to him, but who's to say he's as good as he is right now?

It's definitely a risk. And sure, you can go back to him, but who's to say he's as good as he is right now? It's definitely a risk. But regardless, tomorrow, while not like obviously a must win, it would be a nice little kind of stopper performance by Zach Wheeler. We got wheels in the mound tomorrow versus Nick Martinez. And Wheeler was dominant. His last time out.

It was the White Sox. I get it. But tomorrow. Bryce will be back. JT should be in there. You let the last. You lost the last two games. By playing bad baseball.

Not being locked in. Not having your A lineups out there. If you want to do that crap. Fine. But just go out there. and split this series tomorrow. You have wheels on the mound. You have a lot of your guys back. And, like, it's Nick Martinez.

He hasn't gone more than five innings in a start this year. He has been a reliever the last couple years. Coincidentally, he has pitched pretty well against the Phillies. Out of relief the last couple years. He's got a little, like, Bugs change-up that they've had fits with, again, in the last couple seasons. So, listen, tomorrow is shaping up for a game that you should win. They're going to put their A-line about there. A lot of guys are going to be back.

Reds, maybe they sit some people because it's a day game. But don't lose three or four to the Reds. I mean, they're a good three or four to the Reds. They're a good team. They're a developing team. Elie De La Cruz is a fascinating watch. I mean, the way he can steal third base like it's almost nothing. He's

been going off, but still, don't need to lose three or four before you head out to San Diego and take on a Padres team who's not great, but still has some thumpers in their lineup. So, wheels in the mountains tomorrow. Hopefully, he can be a nice little stopper versus Nick Martinez, who again,

he's not the opener, per se, but he's a more four-to-five inning guy than someone that should pitch deep into this game, and hopefully with all the guys back, they can kind of right the ship a little bit. I mean, tomorrow's a great Philly sports day. You got Phils in the afternoon.

You got the draft at night. And you got the Sixers game three. And it'll be nice to get two wins and maybe a trade-up. Maybe we'll get a nice little trade-up tomorrow night and see how we can work his magic. But good venting session tonight. I appreciate everyone that joined in. Francisco Rojas produced the program behind the scenes.

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